The Band Guestbook, November 2002

Below are the entries in the Band guestbook from November 2002.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: EC's organ

Steve Nieve, keyboardist of Elvis Costello's Attractions, used a Vox Continental, not a Farfisa.

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Posted by:

maynard

Location: la

Subject: pap smears

i love the band but i don't favor pap smears......but i love their music......i just can't listen when i'm recieiving a pap smear....but i can listen when i'm resting and cooking and feeling like a mophoight.

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Posted by:

Harry & Mim

Location: Bensalem, Bucks County, PA USA

Subject: The Last Waltz; Hammonds, Lowreys, Voxes & Farfisas

Friends:

Are we alone in being a little depressed every time we watch The Last Waltz? After learning "the story" about the goings on behind the event, it is more than a little saddening to see a movie devoted to A LOT of showboating (by one musician, with the film directors' help, of course), seemingly effected by a LOT of drugging (OK, it was "the times"), some mediocre performances, and a LITTLE inspired music making (mebbe half to 3/4s of The Bands' tunes, and Ron Hawkins' & Dr. Johns'& Muddy Waters' & Van Morrisons'& Bob Dylans' performances - hey, that's not too shabby, is it?)

Geez, We guess you had to be there. By the way (just to add fuel to the very weak fire), it always sounded like Richard Manuels' deep throated growl saying "Good Evening" to us...

Farfisas and Vox's were popular with the early to mid-60's "pop" groups (even though Hammonds and Lowreys (available at the time) - maybe not as portable, certainly sounded a WHOLE LOT better). Elvis Costello "brought back" the Farfisa "sound" with The Attractions.

Ron "PigPen" McKernan DID start out with the aluminum legged, spindly Vox; however, he moved to the Hammond B-3 in the 1967-68 period (quietly taking lessons in the beginning - his job with the GD was on the line at the time, as was guitarist Bob Weirs'. Apparently, their level of musicanshp did not meet the requirements of the "complex" music at that time, according to Mssrs. Lesh & Garcia, and they happened to have an additional keyboardist then (Tom Constanten - who, though classically trained, did not possess nearly the level of soul/funk needed to add that crucial element.))

There is NOTHING like the combination of a piano and an organ to bring that soulful, gospel type sound to a group, and its' value is clearly demonstrated in The Bands' work,(in addition to the work of The Dead during periods when Keith Godchaux was on grand piano, and either PigPen or Merl Saunders was on Hammond organ.(mainly in 1972...)

Hoping everyone had a great holiday, and thanks again, Jan, for giving us such a fantastic forum and resource. We hope you enjoyed your trip...

Hugs and Kisses to all -

Mim & Harry

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Posted by:

R.I.P.

Subject: Tiny Tim

Tiny Tim He died 6 years ago today, at the age of 71. Field: Music Info: Ukelele-playing, falsetto-singing icon of the 1960's, "Tiptoe through the Tulips", died on-stage while performing Date of Birth: 04/12/1925 Date of Death: 11/30/1996 Age at Death: 71 Cause of Death: Heart attack

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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Levon Gig

Levon Helm playing with the "Last Hombres" tonight Nov.30th at Leavy's Last Stop Cafe, 137 Broadway, Huntington Station,L.I., N.Y.

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Posted by:

Yazooman

Subject: Horseshoe Tavern

Just came across some interesting Band connections with the legendary Horseshoe Tavern in Toronto. The venerable John Donabie and Paul Godfrey would probably know best of course !!

http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_01.29.98/music/coverhorseshoe.html

- Sprackman says you really can't top the Rolling Stones on your stage, but he tells another story that's just as dear. "I was sitting here and The Band was playing. Robbie Robertson hadn't played with them in years, and someone came up and told me that Robbie had just walked in the back door with a guitar in his hand. "They tell me I bought rounds of B-52s for everyone in the bar for an hour-and-a-half," he half-remembers, laughing. "That was the drunkest night I've ever been in my bar. Nights like that are just pure magic."

http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicArtistsR/royal_crowns.html

- The club's 40th anniversary jam featured blues legend Roy Buchanan and special guest Robbie Robertson. Buchanan hanged himself in jail the following summer.

http://www.colinlinden.com/about_colin/timeline/index.shtml

Plays with Rick Danko and Garth Hudson for a wild weekend gig at Toronto's Horseshoe Tavern. Robbie Robertson joins in for Saturday night's encores.

ensoi !

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Posted by:

Yazooman

Location: whocares

Subject: The Hawks

Just in: Port Dover 1964, the single CD version. Am trippin' myself into space while I listen. Garth RULZ !! Sound is however comparable to Crang Plaza.

PS. My view of world politics is summed up thru Dr. Strangelove, one of the greatest movies made in the history of mankind by one of the greatest directors ever !!

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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Boy did I get some good stuff today... Richard Wall: I've been enjoying Seaworthy by Lucky Man Clark all day... it would be great even w/o Levon and Garth... but oh man, those 2 hidden Garth tracks are sooooo cooel !!!... I wish he would have named the second one... in the humble style of the first... I really like Real Life... about sums it up... btw, did they get to pet the owl? Or find out it's name?

I also got that awesome awesome Live 1975... I'm loving it... bring on the Renaldo & Clara DVD... I always loved this vintage of Bob... and actually read the book by Mr. Jessica Lange before I knew any of the other stuff existed... btw, I still can't figure out why my family was reading all these Dylan books and such but never had any of his LPs til I bought them... I'm gonna have to rummage through Mom's attic sometime... I bet they are there between Shirley Bassy and Tom Jones... probably right after Mac Davis... oh well... the bonus DVD is nice... and the sound of his voice is wonderfully clear, as somebody has already mentioned... Columbia went all out on the packaging too... real nice... I did notice in the booklet they mention that next up for 2003 is the complete 1964 Philharmonic Hall show... wouldn't it be cooel if Bob and the boys revisited the basement for those BT reissues whenever they pop up?... throw in something new for us depraved GBers... a little Indian Summer if ya will...

Hope everybody survived the shopping rush hour at 6am today... damn, my wife was home by 7:30 am... I didn't get up til 10... although I do recall three little ones in my bed... one saying Da Da Dee... Da Da Dee... entirely too much... I was going somewhere with this?... let's see?... Anybody see any of those circus videos out of Canada yet... like Alegria?... Fascinating stuff... and we got the boys jumping off the dresser onto the mini-tramp... no injuries yet to report... oh well, I don't remember my point... yes, I do... the RR interview as well as previous ones from Weegie Rando and even the Hudsons... do all point to new music on the horizon from all fronts... Yeah!!! Something to be thankful for... Ga-nite...

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Crack The Sky

Just to confirm...Crack The Sky's members are, in fact, from Pittsburgh, Pa. An interesting band.

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Posted by:

roz

Calvin - I don't know what your apology was for. That okay tho. Words on a screen are easy to misnderstand sometimes.

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Thank you

Lifeboy - Thanks for that neat comment on my "Wrong Side of the Tracks" post the other day...

Amanda and Diamond Lil - thank you both..

Al Edge Thanks to you - That was nice what you said the other day... I remember an old Steve Goodman song that he wrote for his dad after his dad had passed away. It had the words "He could look ya in the eye and sell you a car" That line reminds me of you. Great Bob Paisley story too. I didn't know who he was so I looked him up on the net.

Tiny Monster and Dave Z - thanks...

Jer - Thanks my bud!

Rich - Thanks...

There's some terific folks here...

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Posted by:

Simeon

Location: NJ

Subject: George

Hey. I just got back from Strawberry fields in central park in rememberance of George Harrison. Unfortunately, pretty pathetic turn out. I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about tonight's concert at the Royal Albert Hall (like did Dylan show up), and who played what. I'm just interested

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: George

...just wanted to acknowledge the fact that George Harrison died one year ago today. I hope he's in a place like he imagined going to.

"And I'll be swimming until I can find those waters."

"That one unbounded ocean of bliss"

"That's flowing through your parents, sons, and daughters"

"But still an easy thing for us to miss"

"I'm a Pisces fish and the river runs through my soul"

- Pisces Fish - from Brainwashed.

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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Dave Ray

A friend from Minnesota told me some time back that Dave Ray was struggling.One of my earliest influences,I mourn his passing.

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: "Snaker" Dave Ray

Just want to add my sadness to the death of a great bluesman, Snaker Dave Ray. Koener, Ray & Glover turned many on to the blues including me. Dave had been diagnosed with Stage Four adenocarcinoma of the lung with CNS metastatic disease. A great loss to the world of music. Dylan loved these guys.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Funk

John D, with two small kids I have a tough time getting out to see many movies. "Standing in the Shadow..." is playing here and I've tried to arrange things twice to see it but no such luck. I may have to wait for the DVD which is supposedly ready for release; they are waiting for the theatrical run--which is going to be fairly short--to end. From everything I've heard, it's a must see. And we all know how much James Jamerson influenced Rick.

Lifeboy, those Vox Continentals are notoriously fickle if you move them around. Remember most of them are close to 40 years old. They do use drawbars like the Hammond but the are considerably thinner sounding as they are fully transistorized. The Hammond, besides using electro-magnetics to create its sine waves, incorporated a tube pre-amp which warmed up the sound considerably. However, the key is simulating a leslie speaker cabinet. For my ears, the ProMotion Leslie Simulator is the best at what it does. If you're computer-savvy, Native Instruments makes a Hammond/Leslie simulator which is amazing. I use it alot.

And unless you enjoy moving unwieldy, heavy boxes, avoid the Fender Rhodes.

If I were a bartender, I woulda carded that kid on the left.

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Posted by:

Bill

As he's been mentioned in the Guestbook from time to time over the years, I thought I'd pass along a note I just received saying that "Dave Ray, of Koerner, Ray & Glover, has died". Ray and Glover did an album called Bamboo for Electra in the late '60s, with Sandy Konikoff from the Hawks on drums and Peter Hodgson from Rhinoceros on bass.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: RR

Just read the transcript from the "What's New" pages. Looking at the top picture (blue one) of RR. Is it just me or could he and Howie Mandel have been seperated at birth? I think Howie could play RR in a movie. My wife and I from time to time when watching a film will see either a look-a-like or even better a look-a-like, sound-a-like and figure out who could play who in a movie about The Band. Found a "dead on" Levon in a film awhile back; but can't remember the actor's name.

I already figure that Gregory Smith of "Everwood" could play Dylan in a few years. The profile is scary how much he looks like a very young Bob.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

.....at least we know who said, "Happy Thanksgiving".

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Walcott = who said "Good Evening" is a whole lot better than politics and name calling for me.

Subject: Pat Brennan

Pat have you had a chance to see the documentary, "Standing In The Shadows of Motown" yet? It is a film for any keyboard player, bass, guitar, drummer and yes we see the importance of the tamborine. What a magnificent film. It's so incredible when these musicians begin to play and it sounds exactly the way it did 40 years ago. God Bless James Jamerson & the great keyboardist Johnny Griffith who died after this film was completed. Can't forget the keyboard master Earl Van Dyke. This is Motown's Last Waltz in it's own way.

Remembering the Funk Brothers.

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Stax Re: Lil's Piece

It will be a very exciting time in the year 2003; when at the end of April into the first week of May the Stax Museum will officially open. I have been invited and hope to attend. I am told that people like Booker T. & The M.G.'s, Eddie Floyd, Issac Hayes, Carla Thomas William Bell etc will perform in concert as part of the festivities. When I was there in August it was so uplifiting to see the "Stax" sign back up on the street. The Museum has been built exactly to the specs of the original studio.

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Pat Brennan

Pat, thanks for the Lowrey info, much appreciated. I'm nosing around and thinking of buying an organ and maybe a Fender Rhodes piano, I'll probably end up with a Vox Continental, when it comes to organs they seem to be the cheapest and most portable, I'm not sure about Lowrey's and B3's are way too expensive for my pocket. I'll use them for recording so I could probably mess up the sound of the Vox enough to make it sound how I want it to. While I'm on the subject, what instrument do you play, what's your story...that is if you don't mind me asking? Thanks again.

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Posted by:

Lil

"Defuct"?? Hmmm. That word in my last post should've been "defunct". Heheh.. it _is_ 4:30 in the morning ya know!

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

I think it was JohnD who was talking in here about the now defuct Stax records several months ago, and I just came across this article in Reuters this morning which I thought was interesting as well as uplifting.

Entertainment - Reuters /b Music Bringing Life Back to Memphis' Soulsville USA Thu Nov 28,10:57 AM ET Add Entertainment - Reuters to My Yahoo!

By Steve James

MEMPHIS, Tenn. (Reuters) - Here, at 926 East McLemore Avenue -- home of the now-defunct Stax Records studio and one of the most famous addresses in American music history -- the soul is returning to a run-down black neighborhood.

Stax was one of the most popular soul-music labels ever, second only to Motown in sales and influence. With its studio in a converted Capitol movie theater, Stax folded in 1975, and the surrounding neighborhood fell on hard economic times.

Until now, that is.

In April a new museum, the Stax Museum of American Soul Music, and an adjacent music academy are due to open, part of an ambitious urban and cultural renewal program for the area dubbed "Soulsville USA" in the 1960s. The $20 million project is financed by federal, state and city funds as well as private donations.

CHANGING LIVES In a city with an already rich musical tradition from Elvis Presley (news)'s Graceland mansion to the blues joints of Beale Street and the legendary Sun Record studios, the museum would seem to be just another tourist attraction.

But it will be more than a static depository of memorabilia from the recent past. It will be testimony to the power of music to change sometimes hopeless lives, its founders say.

"The academy will not only be for kids to discover their musical talent, but will also serve as an essential after-hours program in a still-deprived area where the majority of kids are raised by single women," said Deanie Parker, president and executive director of the Soulsville non-profit project.

"I am appalled at the number of grandmothers who are parents again," she said of the demands on single-parent households in the area south of Crump Boulevard, where 50 percent of the population lives below the poverty line and the median annual income per household is $12,652.

"If kids can join gangs and learn to shoot guns, we thought they could learn to harmonize, too," Parker told a visiting reporter recently. "Since we broke ground on the project (last year), crime has really gone down."

"Kids will be exposed to all music. Maybe they will be gospel singers or aspire to be the next Barkays (Stax house horn section)."

MEMPHIS SOUL STEW

When Otis Redding, Sam and Dave, Eddie Floyd, Carla Thomas, Albert King or Isaac Hayes were recording at the Stax studio at 926 East McLemore, the whole neighborhood was alive with what sax player King Curtis famously dubbed "Memphis Soul Stew."

"We know what music can do for children, they just have to get past the rap and find their roots," Parker said. "The kids have no idea (about the past); they are a generation apart."

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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

OK, last one from me for a while, but I had to echo Jonathan Katz. Nice sentiment.

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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Thanx, Paul.

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Posted by:

paulg

Location: CANADA

Subject: Jack Wingate

Mike,

Sadly I did not know Jack then. I have only been in London Ontario this past 4 years. I met Jack thru Serge and along with our ladies went to see Levon at Bluesfest 2001 here in London. That would be the last time we sat around and told "lies" about times gone by. I have a personal photo taken with him that evening that I will always treasure. His media peer group loved and respected him. Serge invited me to his memorial service....well party at the London Press club were old friends and young got together, had a few drinks, listened to live music including a number of BAND songs and said goodbye in a manner I am certain Jack would have approved. Once a year now I hoist a shot of Glennfidich in his memory. God Bless you and keep you Jack. I truly wish I had known you better.\shineonpaulg

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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: Columbia, MD

Subject: TG

On Thanksgiving, thanks to Jan for creating and keeping this site going. Thanks also for all of you regular posters that keep us lurkers coming back. Thanks to those that no longer visit the GB, but contributed in a large way - maybe for your New Years resolution you could consider dropping in every once and a while. And finally, for those of you that get upset with the stuff here - lighten up and focus on the music, and your family and friends. Happy Thanksgiving everyone - even those of you that insist on posting your political views.

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Posted by:

MIke Nomad

Oooookayyyy!! I guess I lost you again, Paul Godfrey. Must be the solar flares.

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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Paul Godfrey: OK, I'll repeat the question. Did you bump into or meet up at all with Jack Wingate at TLW? Or did you not know him then?

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Posted by:

Paul Godfrey

Location: CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: "Good Evening"

Funny about who said: "Good Evenin" at the Last Waltz.

In the original radio special THE LAST WALTZ REMEMBERED I wrote in the opening script that Robbie said those words. I was told otherwise and so I changed it to Levon. I also read in a SF morning paper on the way home that Robbie had done the introduction.

Must admit that after 26 years I cannot remember who really did utter those two words. Can you help me out here John D.? I mean you were sitting at stage left.

I will try to find my RPM Magazine (Canada's original and best music industry magazine) story about TLW and post it here.

Let me repeat the top three concerts I ever witnessed in 40 years in broadcasting:

1. The Last Waltz,

2. Before The Flood Tour, The BAND & Bob Dylan and

3. Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks - Peterborough Ontario Canada circa 1962

Hey Diamond Lil...keep the wishbone for me ;0)

shineonpaulg

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Posted by:

Paulg

Location: CANADA
Web: My link

Subject: Thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving everybody & God Bless America.

shineon Levon, Shannon, Julia & Paul Godfrey.

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Just when you thought....

Since posting that piece about giving a lift to Bob Paisley's grand-daughter I've been absolutely inundated with requests from you GB'ers to post the follow up piece. Actually that's a slight exaggeration. I've not had one request. Still, tough shit folks. Here it is anyroad. Our Caz's friend Jane's own version of that night...

THE LIFT INTO TOWN - JANE’S STORY

Caz had told me several times in the weeks leading up to Christmas about how big a Liverpool fan her dad was. He’d even written a book on the subject, she’d said, called Faith of our Fathers or something. She’d warned me that once he’d got to know that Bob Paisley was my grandad, then that would be it.

How right she was, too.

The thing is, though, you don’t always think of these things at the time, do you? When she phoned to say she and her dad would be round to give me a lift into town with Louise and Hannah, our other friends, I’d hardly given it a second thought, despite what Caz had told me. I doubt very much whether Caz had, either. And why should any of us have done? After all, it was our Christmas night out. The only thing on our minds was going out with the rest of the girls and having a good time in town.

Okay, so perhaps it had occurred to me while I was waiting for them to arrive that her dad might ask me a few questions about grandad. So what, though? It would merely be a way of passing the time on the way into town, I'd thought. Answering the odd question or two was not exactly a hardship if it meant us all getting a lift into town. I mean, we all know what it’s like trying to get a taxi around that time of year, don’t we?

I suppose it was after we’d all been been sat outside our house for the best part of twenty minutes that I first began to realise the lift may not have been such a good idea.

From the moment I’d opened the car door to get in and he’d turned round to say hello, Caz’s dad had literally bombarded me with stuff about grandad. He’d scarcely paused to draw breath. In fact, if I hadn’t known different, I’d have said it was almost as if he was terrified to stop talking about him in case we all turned into Evertonians or something. It reminded me of that film Speed where they can’t let the bus slow down below fifty miles an hour because it will explode. Well instead of the bus it was Mr. Edge’s mouth. And instead of fifty miles an hour it was more like supersonic.

As my mother says, he could have talked for England. If you ask me, Scotland, Ireland and Wales couldn’t be ruled out either.

Nor was it only about grandad either. Oh no. It was football full stop. And Liverpool, too. Yeah, especially Liverpool. Anything at all to do with them. Bill Shankly, too. He was really interested in whether I’d ever met Bill Shankly and what he was like and how Mr Shankly and grandad used to get on together and whether they used to visit each other or go to the pub together. He even wanted to know whether we all used to go on holidays together. I think he had this rosy image of everyone at Liverpool Football Club being part of one big happy family. You know, as if Anfield was like this fairytale castle where everybody lived happily ever after and everybody went round smiling and beaming all the time. That sort of thing. And all the time he’d be laughing and grinning to himself and saying what a great football club it was and what great fellows grandad and Mr Shankly were. Almost like brothers he would keep saying.

He even seemed to know all about grandad in the years before he came to Liverpool. He even knew about him when he was a little boy in Hetton-le-Hole or somewhere. And he kept mentioning about him playing in the Amateur Cup for some team from the north east called Bishop Auckland or something. I’d never even heard of them before that night. I tell you what, though, I now know the name of every member of Bishop Auckland’s team. In fact, I even know the colour of the socks their reserve team trainer used to wear. Honestly. He just went on and on with stuff like that, hopping from one thing to another.

Did I know who was grandad’s favourite player? Which had been grandad’s favourite team? Was it true he could tell a player’s injuries just by the way he ran or walked? At one point he even wanted to know if grandad had spotted any illnesses that I’d had when I was a kid. You know, German measles and stuff like that. He really thought that was funny and kept shaking his head, saying grandad was probably a medical genius as well as the world's best manager.

And all the time he was going on, I’d keep looking at Caz and shaking my head and thinking to myself - ‘he’s bound to drive off any moment now’. But he didn’t. He just seemed to get more engrossed in what he was saying. In fact, at one point he even turned the engine off. I thought to myself - ‘God, we’re gonna be here for the night’. And I must admit at times it seemed as if we were.

To be honest, though, I suppose at that stage I was actually finding it all quite amusing, really. Who knows, maybe I was even a bit flattered by all the attention and all his compliments about grandad. Not so much what he was saying. I think it was just the idea of a man of his age appearing to get so excited and enthusiastic about my grandad. I mean, I know grandad did all sorts of things in football and wasn’t a bad manager and all that. At the end of the day, though, he was only my grandad when all’s said and done. It’s not as if he was anyone really important or anything. Not like the Duke of Edinburgh or Dustin Hoffman or somebody famous like that.

With Caz’s dad, though, you’d have thought grandad was every single important person there’d ever been all rolled into one. Some sort of perfect being or something. Of course, with it being my friend’s dad I didn’t like to be rude. And I certainly didn’t want to spoil his illusions about grandad, so I never told him any of the infuriating habits grandad used to have. You know, like complaining to grandma all the way through Kojak every Sunday night or dipping his hot buttered toast in his tea. That sort of thing. Also, I suppose, it did make me feel obliged to answer everything that he asked me.

Half the time, though, I never even had to.

Mr Edge would get so carried away with the question he was asking he would actually end up answering it himself before I had a chance to open my mouth. Sometimes he would even laugh at his own answer. Now I must admit, since I can’t really stand football, and half the time didn’t have a clue what he was going on about anyway, I can’t say I was altogether unhappy about this. In fact, those times when he did actually need some input from me, I would just say the first thing that came into my head. Anything at all.

Yet it didn’t seem to matter. Whatever I said, he would just laugh and keep saying over and over what a great man grandad was and how lucky I was to be his granddaughter.

It was mad. I mean there we were, all dressed up, ready for a night on the town; virtually being held hostage in this car outside our house, listening to this strange man I’d never even met before talking about my grandad as if he’d been his very best friend.

Then it got even madder. After about half an hour, my mother came over to see why we hadn’t left. Evidently, she’d been stood on the porch all that time waiting for us to leave. She actually thought we were waiting for another of our friends to show up or something like that. Anyway, I introduced her to Caz’s dad and told her we were just having a bit of a chat about grandad. Well, she got the picture right away. She looked at her watch and commented how late it was. Then she coughed, made some lame excuse and quickly made her exit. My mum and me still laugh about it now.

Of course, Caz herself didn’t find it funny at all. I’d noticed, as soon as mum had turned up, that she was already beginning to squirm quite a bit with embarrassment. And who could blame her? All of us would have felt the same. In fact, I think she’s actually a bit of a hero for being able to put up with it all. I mean, I don’t know what I’d do if my own dad was like Mr. Edge.

Anyway, as soon as mum had gone back to the house, she really began to go on at him about how late we were. Even then, it still didn’t seem to register with him. In fact, it wasn’t until Caz threatened to tear up his books of Panini football stickers, which were laying across the back seat next to us, that he seemed to take on at all. It was only then that we finally set off to pick up the others and head off to town.

Pity we hadn’t thought of it a bit earlier.

Even then, though, on the way into town, he continued talking and asking questions. He just didn’t seem to grasp that by then we’d all had enough. And by this time, I must admit even my own patience was being stretched a bit thin by some of the things he was saying.

Don’t misunderstand me. It’s not that he was being deliberately rude or anything. It’s just that some of the things he was coming out with were a bit...well, put it this way - why is it that older people always have to try and spot whether you’ve got a resemblance to someone? I mean, I know grandad was lovely and cuddly and all that but I don’t actually look anything like him. And I certainly don’t want to be told I do when I’m on my way to a bar in town. I mean, there’s no way anybody would ask me to dance if I did look like grandad, is there? Mind you, I suppose if the blokes were anything like Caz’s dad, I’d probably have to fight them all off. There’d be a queue of mad Liverpool fans stretching as far as the eye could see.

The worst bit was when we arrived outside the bar in town. It became quite obvious he was talking even faster. He began asking about half a dozen questions at once, as if he was desperate for us not to go in. I must admit I did feel a bit sorry for him at that stage because he did seem all lonely and that, with us all going off to the bar and leaving him. He kept saying I’d have to come over one night and see some of the football stuff he had back home and that he had this photograph from 1969 of himself and some Liverpool player I'd never heard of called Bobby Graham which he’d really like me to see.

I suppose it was all a bit sad, really.

By this time, though, Caz and the others were outside the car shouting at me to come and join them. In the end I just said goodnight to Mr Edge and went with them, thinking that was that. Anyway the next thing we knew he was there outside the entrance to the bar. Right next to us. He was saying he might as well come inside with us. That we’d barely skimmed the surface of grandad’s career at Bishop Auckland. Well, honestly, I could have died. God knows how Caz must have felt. Your own dad trying to get into a trendy bar with you and your mates. She just turned white and walked off the other way.

Anyway, thank God, it was then that the bouncers stepped in and told him they couldn’t let him in wearing carpet slippers. Well the relief we all felt. I mean I’m not ungrateful for the lift or anything but there is a limit. Next time Caz and I have decided we’ll get a taxi. In fact, maybe we’ll even walk.

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Posted by:

NDI-IGBO

Location: IKEJA-LAGOS-NIGERIA
Web: My link

Subject: MUGU-GUYMEN

NDI-IGBO/GUYMEN KEEP OFF FROM THIS SITE IMMEDIATELY

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I'm not a Lowry expert by any means, but Garth did go through a couple of different models of Lowry organs before he went over to the world of synthesizers. Two models I believe he did use were the Festival and the Theater. Around BTF he started using a Yamaha CS 80 which is a bear of a synth. It is to his immediate right in TLW. He also used a monophonic preset synth which was either a Multivox or a Roland; it's the little one placed at a weird angle to his left. With the Lowry's he usually used two Leslie speaker cabinets which had rotating horns and baffles that created a natural vibrato.

Felix used a Hammond B3 with bass pedals as the Rascals had no bass player live. On record they employed a string of fantastic bassists including Chuck Rainey, Richard Davis and Ron Carter.

I'm no fan of the Dead but I recall Pigpen using both a Vox Continental combo organ and a Farfisa combo organ at different times.

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Web: My link

Subject: Garth organ

All this talk of Garth's playing got me wondering, does anyone know what model Lowrey organ he used in The Band, I'm curious? If you click on the above link there is an interview with Lucky Man Clark explaining how he came to meet Garth through buying a Lowrey and how he came down to the studio and blew everyones mind when he layed some organ down on "Seaworthy" and he goes on to explain how Garth approached recording his parts.Interesting. Scroll down about a 3rd of the way. It may be on this site already, I dunno, it's a good read anyway.

Hope you are all enjoying thanksgiving.

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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Happy Thanksgiving to all who visit...

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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Van Music in Macy's Parade & Garth's Lowrey Organ

My daughter always enjoyed the Macy's parade as a sort of Thanksgiving tradition, but it always irritated me for the most part. My ears did perk up this morning, though, as I heard Van Morrison's "Moondance" as part of the music. That sure beats lip-synched Broadway junk or the usual predictable parade tunes.

Pat: I knew that Garth was a Lowrey organ guy, so I think I must be getting "Reagan's disease" at age 49. I've been listening to the early discs of the Grateful Dead studio box set and have been impressed with Ron "Pigpen" McKernan's Hammond (?) organ work. I think that he was under-rated in many ways--just like Felix Cavaliere (what brand did he play?).

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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: greetings/roz/dylan

happy thankgiving to our american friends.peace and love to you all.roz;glad you liked it. i cant stop playing the cash album.its really up there with his best stuff.indeed,these 4 studio albums he's done with rick rubin are fantastic.my admiration for the man in black knows no boundaries. i saw him in concert once,in 1994;terrific! i hope he's well and continues to make great music. i cant wait for the long promised back to basics gospel album which according to the interview in the new rolling stone,is going to happen. cant wait for the rolling thunder album. i adore hard rain,but i agree with the before the flood comment. btflood should be given the full remastering treatment. its my fav. live album and quite possibly the most underrated live album ever. peace all. rich.

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Posted by:

It was Thanksgiving morning and...

A man wakes up to find a gorilla on his roof. So he looks in the Yellow Pages and sure enough, there's an ad for "Pat's Gorilla Removers." He calls the number, and the gorilla remover says he'll be over in 30 minutes. Pat, the gorilla remover arrives, and gets out of his van. He's got a ladder, a baseball bat, a shotgun and a mean-looking pit bull. "What are you going to do?" the homeowner asks. "I'm going to put this ladder up against the roof, then I'm going to go up there and knock the gorilla off the roof with this baseball bat. When the gorilla falls off, the pit bull is trained to grab his testicles and not let go. The gorilla will then be subdued enough so I can come down and put him in the cage in the back of the van." He hands the shotgun to the homeowner. "What's the shotgun for?" asks the homeowner. "If the gorilla knocks me off the roof, shoot the dog."

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

HAPPY THANKSGIVING

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Calvin: Your last post is right on target. Shelters need help 365 days a year. We do a 'rotation' of sorts here, where each volunteeer does 2 days a month all year round.
And I wanted to applaud you for your work with Big Brothers. It's a wonderful organization! I have 2 sons who've been without a dad for 7 years now. I know how much a positive male role model matters in these situations.

I think, we all do what we can. Making some situation.. any situation.. just a bit easier for someone else is what it's all about. For all the things folks do, quietly and privately...it's appreciated more than you know.

Have a nice Thanksgiving everyone.

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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Thanksgiving/The New Dylan CD/Apology of sorts to Rosiland

I just picked up Bootleg 5 myself, and as someone said a few posts back it is pretty damn good. Bob's singing is as clear and understandable as Ive ever heard on a live disc. The comment about it maybe being better than Before the Flood though isnt really an Apples to Apples. Give Before the Flood a killer remastering treatment so every instrument and vocal sounds as clear as a bell by 2002 technology I think you might have a different view. I do though completely understand Peter V's point about too many guitars, the stage does seem very crowded with instruments for songs that are so uniquely personal, at times it seems just a little too busy. Not enough to detract from the enjoyment, but enough to occasionally make you wish Bob hadn't gotten so carried away with bringing every musician he knew along for the ride.

It's a shame they couldn't get George Harrison's disc released right after his death, not because the sales would have been a lot higher-and they would have-but more because higher sales would have simply translated into a lot more people hearing the work. I was never a huge George fan but the Mega Box retailer Circuit City had a release sale of the CD for $9.99 and I figured what the heck. It wont make the frequent play section of my CDs, but I'm glad I bought it. I suppose I can say the same for Dana Glover-I really, really wanted to like RR's (seemingly) new pet project, but I just found it OK.

So Ends the CD review portion of my message

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone here, and I do mean everyone-even those whose posts almost always will find a way to annoy me, but even they always have something to give.

May I add my voice in asking Butch and Beg to return.

I liked Tiny Monster's comment about Thanksgiving being the day we sit with family members we wouldnt talk to at all for our parents sake. May I up the ante by telling you today 80 members of my family will be gathering for my 91 year old Grandmothers sake.

Rosalind, I didnt for a minute mean to suggest anything my reminding people that shelters need volunteers the other 363 days of the year. WHen you and I believe Lil mentioned working at them Xmas and Thanksgiving it just triggered something a shelter director told me about having more help he knew what to do with those 2 days and nobody the other 363. I appluad your volunteer work, I find it very satisfying myself. After years of doing the sort of thing your doing though I began to feel the need for more personal interaction, these days I am part of a 1-1 program for teaching adult literacy and I'm a Big Brother. I dont mean to sound selfish but I get more enjoyment out of that that serving food, I get to see how the story enfolds in the people I'm trying to contribute to, if that makes sense.

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Posted by:

frank heatley

Location: ireland

Subject: levon helm/football

Good morning all..re intro to the last waltz i always thought it was levon, sounds like levon. anyway levon told me once when he was a kid abot ten or so, he was hurtling around the family farm doing wheelies on their old john deere, during his hell raisin he noticedhis dad, the legendary JD jumping up and down at te pump house shouting ''let a business thought pass through your head boy every once in awhile, it won,t bust it wide open'' just listening to Levon laughing as he recounted that story to me is a very special memory...i,m sure our people from rural backgroumds will appreciate it more than most. Al Edge being a Liverpool fan and having been gourged on well merited success particualarly late seventies through early nineties you know the slins and arrows that this game causes us to suffer quite irratinally really[remember you must have endured hell during the Souness era and coming to the end of king Kenny,s reign] so please have a kind thought for Leeds United as we do battle with the might of Malaga this very evening in a clash of the giants on the costa del sol.....i cannot face another setback. Al do you remember Billy Bremner scoring the winner in the 1971 eufa cup semi first leg at Anfield...also my brother in law played against Liverpool in 1976 european cup at Anfield for Belfast club Crusaders[they got soundly thrashed of course but he did emerge from it with a good Emlyn Hughes story] anyway i digress. stay well all and lets hope some record company with respect for artists cotton on to Leveon Helm and the Barnburners before too much longer has elapsed.

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Posted by:

Last Waltz Rollie

Subject: For Bashful Bill

Outta sight bro!!! That guy made the show for me!!! Where's the time machine when ya need it! Best to all!

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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland
Web: My link

Subject: Kiitoksia

We have no Thanksgiving, but I want to be grateful at this moment...And thank many of you being responsive and sincere.

Greg Brown and Iris Dement got married a couple weeks ago. The blessed union of two fine songwriters, congratulations!

Please check the interesting web site of the best white singer USA has ever had, Tim Buckley. His Starsailor album was my musical University 30 years ago and his music is still fresh and exceptional. Like his son' s, Jeff' s. Too good voices for this world.

I miss BEG here.

Ilkka: I love November, January is the only month I could be somewhere else than Finland. We have quietness and even unspoiled Nature (in Sweden, too), this is precious. And there are elves everywhere at this time of year. And cumulative spiritual energy - even churches more inviting!

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Posted by:

Terry

Location: Norway
Web: My link

Subject: International callback service

Actually I found callback service is a good way to save international long distance calls. I usually call US from Norway and when I use callback, I found I pay only $0.16/min. Really interesting to me. Hope I can share with you guys. The recommended site is http://bestcallback.net

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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, N.Y.

Just checkin in here, haven't been around much lately. Hey Rollie, I was living in SF at the time, actually, I just got into town the day before Thanksgiving, but then I didn't leave for almost a year. I don't know who that guy was, but he was a fixture on the streets, esp down by Fisherman's Wharf, playing his piano for tips on the back of a pickup truck. Whenever I saw him it seemed that he was playin the Layla coda.

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Clarification

Should stress that my reference to 'anything with a scrawny neck that makes a gobbling noise' was not intended as an insult to anyone on the gb!! :-o)

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Happy Thanksgiving

To all our US cyber mates.

While I'm at it sincere commiserations to anything with a scrawny neck that makes [made?] a gobbling noise

Also thanks for lovely insights from Paul G and John D plus that tattifilerious little gem from the early vaults of No Knife in the Back of Tennessee Ernie Ford - I had cousins like that too. :-o)

BTW - I'll have you know my Lancastrian ancestors were playing 'footy' around 200 years before your first prototype version of William Perry stepped off the Mayflower - only Americans and Pele call the beautiful game 'soccer' as far as I'm aware. To the rest of mankind it's 'football', which kind of figures as that is precisely what our game is all about i.e. the foot and the ball. The term 'soccer' is strictly for the non-initiated - mainly those poor deprived souls from the upper tiers of the North American continent!!!

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There

Subject: Thanksgiving

Yes folks, our friends from accross the big pond may not appreciate the finer points of our national holiday known as Thanksgiving. It's that day of the year that most of us get together with those family members we ordinarily would have nothing to do with for the sake of the parents (be we so lucky to still have them with us). When this happens there's just no telling what mayhem will ensue. The fireworks have started already in the Monster Family and the big day hasn't even arrived. Needless to say that we Americans cherish this day of giving thanks and celebrating the time when the Europeans landed here on the shores of this great land and began their fornicating and propagating frenzy. Somehow the tradition continues to this very day !!! My advice to all you who live beyond the borders of this great land of America are ... STAY AWAY UNTIL DECEMBER IT'S NOT SAFE HERE !!!

Give thanks and prayers
Give of your time

PEACE

_________________

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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Waltz Memories/Rolling Thunder

I can't get enough of these Last Waltz recollections...please, more! this is better than gorging on turkey and the trimmings...I'd like to put together an oral history with interviews with people who were there, onstage, backstage, in the audience, it would be a quite a document...

right now I'm listening to the "new" Dylan bootleg set, Rolling Thunder, this is ferocious flamboyant stuff, and I will be heretical and say I prefer it to "Before the Flood," but there's no way Dylan would've been so good in '75 if the Band hadn't provided the juice in '74...and I don't think "Northern Lights" would've been as strong had the Band not gotten back w/Bob...

this version of "Hard Rain's Gonna Fall" is astonishing...maybe I'll contribute a fuller "review" later on...

Happy Thanksgiving all...

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Subject: Happy Thanksgiving all, even if it's not a holiday where you live.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

J Tull = thanks for posting the link on the Harrison tribute - can't wait to hear that Ringo tune..........I see the sales of George's posthumous CD aren't great. The ex-Beatles thing ain't helping.

Rollie clearly should have been the one to say "Good Evening" at TLW - then the black cop would have thrown him out though.

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Posted by:

Location: Snow's on the ground in West Saugerties, NY

Subject: One of the boys?

On this holiday eve, snow's on the gound in the Big Pink neighborhood...

Etree.org is a taper-friendly organization of friendly servers for downloading. Using SMARTFTP and the MKW decompression tools, you can download SHN file formatted live shows for listening pleasure. Sometimes you can find Band-related shows.

While cruising one server's contents just now, I noticed a show titled Robbie 'n Sly from the Montego Bay Sunsplash, dated August 30, 1986.

Could this be one of the boys? Any help's gratefully appreciated and, in advance, thanks for the info....

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Posted by:

Bill

Since David P mentioned the McCoys' version of "Hang On Sloopy", I thought I'd mention that the other remake that was on the charts at the same time, and which while not nearly so exciting was certainly much closer to the R&B shuffle of the original, was by Little Caesar and the Consuls, a veteran Toronto group that'd included a young Robbie Robertson among its members in '59.

My own favourite Garth contribution is when his accordion and Amos Garrett's guitar carry Bobby Charles's "Tennessee Blues" off into dreamland. As a friend said on noting the groove that they'd found, "They sound like they could play that all day." And I could listen all day.

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Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Thankgiving holiday

Up here in the deep Nordic woods there is NOTHING to comfort us today, another gloomy and dark November day (except maybe this gb :-). - I wish all you North Americans HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Thanks Paul & John for sharing your firsthand memories of The Last Waltz.

Another Last Waltz participant who recorded for Bang Records was Neil Diamond. He began recording with the label in 1966, a year or so before Van Morrison's short solo tenure with Bert Burns. In 1965, the McCoy's (featuring a teenaged Rick Derringer) had a #1 hit with "Hang On Sloopy" on the Bang label.

Bang, originally based in New York, later moved down here to Atlanta. They achieved some success with a series of recordings by Paul Davis. In the mid-'70s, syndicated talk-radio host Don Imus recorded a comedy album for the label.

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Posted by:

crimsonvoid

Subject: The Band

I can't remember a time when my mom didn't have The Band on the record player. But just recently I watched The Last Waltz for the first time. I watch portions of it everyday, and one of my favorite songs is It Makes No Difference. Each of the members truly added something special. From Garth's sax to Robbie on guitar, Rick's voice to Levon's drums, and Richard on piano, these guys are truly one of the most musically gifted and soulful individuals I've heard. Also, on I Shall Be Released when the voice of Richard Manuel seems to come "out of nowhere" and everyone looks around trying to decipher where this mournful, yet beautiful, voice is coming from. Then out of respect for Richard, one sees Neil Diamond and Dr. John move aside exposing Richard to the audience. I will definitely have The Last Waltz playing on Thanksgiving Day. Happy Thanksgiving to all, and to all a good Last Waltz.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond
Web: My link

Subject: George Harrison tribute show/album sales/Ringo & Clapton record tribute song

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Posted by:

roz

Subject: Catharsis ---

--- The purifying of the emotions or the relieving of emotional tensions, especially by art; Concept applied originally by Aristotle on the effect of tragic drama on an audience - It ain't my fault.

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Posted by:

Jon Lyness

Location: New York City

Subject: Garth!

Another Garth moment: his beautiful accordian playing after each of Rick's choruses in Blue River (DFA version). For me it feels, most appropriately, like an old friend giving a hug. Wonderful.

Happy Thanksgiving, folks!

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Calvin

I guess it's no secret here now that I've had personal afflictions thru my years. I have found that the best way to start forgiving yourself for your selfish detachment, personal failures and self-loathing is to give all you have left to someone else in need. So I do that. I volunteer whenever they need me and I'm free to do the cooking at the church ... it's a Catholic church and I ain't Catholic but they do good things for people and that's alright with me. I go up every couple of weeks to the nursing home here in Bedford called the Donohoe Manor and play music. I go in once a month to the food bank to help people carry their stuff out to their transportation. Lots of these folks are old and crippled and if they got no one to help, they could fall or break a hip or something in the snow. I love old folks and kids. Since I as a child I have been drawn to the old, wrinkled, beautiful, kind, knowing faces of the elderly. Our silent American treasures. I mentioned a while back how much I loved "The Straight Story", that was why. Ray Pence and I even exchanged an e-mail about that film. I have never had much for the middle bracket, I guess I feel that most of them can take care of themselves, that the healthy wealthy ones are probably alot better than me so screw them. I grew up real poor...real poor. Remember them kids in high school that went up front for the free lunch tokens? That was me. Remember them kids that wore the same old cothes each and every day? That was me. Remember them "Feed the Children" trucks? I was there. The surplus food places hidden back in the alley away from the upstanding neighborhoods? I was there. The government cheese ? Its pretty damned good when you're hungry! I ain't ashamed. I grew up on welfare and food stamps and I'll tell ya folks, poverty builds character, a lot more character than pretty clothes, "Red Lobster" and lawn-sprinklers.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Richard at the organ

Offhand, I can only think of Ophelia on NLSC, which if I'm not mistaken is the only instance of Hammond Organ on a Band record.

In September of 1976 I had retired from playing with bands on the road and I took a job with a record store in Rogers Park--a Chicago neighborhood--to relax. A record rep used to come in all the time because we had a huge jazz section and an eclectic bootleg section and he told me he could get me tix for the Band's last show. At the last minute the tix fell through and I was left a bitterly disappointed young longhair. So when the movie came out, I went to the second night's showing (I had to work the first night).

Dixie, and it still kills me.

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Subject: Lifeboy and snow

I know what you mean by season changes. I lived down south for a few years back in the early 90's, and didn't like that there was not much defining of the seasons.
Sorry that you miss the snow. If I had've known.. I would've asked you to come and shovel for me :-)

Off to work......

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Lil and snow

Lil, I am envious of the snow. Down south in the UK we don't really get snow anymore due to ozone or climate change I think, up north fairs a little better. If we get any at all it is usually just about thicker than frost and lasts about a day before melting or getting washed away by the rain. I really miss the seasons being more defined. The last good snowfall we had was 1986\87 where it lasted from November to March and since then it has gone downhill. I want to be able to moan(I'm British) about it all turning to slush. Our winters now are just wet, warm and grey. Sorry to whinge so much.

Hope you all enjoy Thanksgiving, I'll raise a glass to you.

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

John and Paul: Thanks again for your nice reminiscences about that amazing concert 26 years ago. Makes me really look forward to seeing the film again tomorrow night after dinner (accompanied by red wine which should make having to be at work at 4am on Friday.. well.. interesting %-)

Roz: Thanks for your nice post about shelters. I've been doing that with my kids since they were babies, both on Thanksgiving and on Christmas. Kind of puts alot into perspective for us.

Snowstorm here last night.. so now I have to go and shovel my car out. It's amazing that 5 or 6 inches on the ground becomes like several feet when picked up and dumped on one's car by inconsiderate snow plows. Sigh.

Have a happy and safe holiday everyone!

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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

John D.Your right I havn't read all of your posts, so your medical history is not something I knew about. Roz is a bud of mine who has always made me feel welcome here so when I feel shes taken it on the chin I'm gonna say something thats all, and by the way John I read your last post twice, thats what makes the Gb so special, thanks for sharing that..

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: I screwed up again

I'm fuckin' up right,left and centre here. When I listed "Stagefright" from TLW as one of my favourite Garth moments I actually meant "The Shape I'm In". Thanks Bayou Sam, it was your post that jogged my memory. God, I really am quite clueless!

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Pat Brennan/The Weight

Pat, thanks for the info on The Weight, I was forgetting they swap roles on that one, doh!. I hear organ and straight away think it's Garth. I never picked it up on BP(maybe it's lower in the mix?), I'll check it out. Do you know if they they swap organ and piano on any other songs?

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Laura: You can reach me at d_lil@hotmail.com. Hope your trip to Pawling is a go!

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Posted by:

rosalind

Thanks WS for the tip on the Johnny Cash thing on Larry King. I just finished watchin' the 3am repeat.

Thanks Rich, for that post on his new record you wrote down couple of weeks or so ago...great stuff. I ordered the album on your recomendation.

Thanksgiving for me has been for the past couple of years or so volunteering at a local "Poor Folks Center" We get a lot of lonely older folks and lots of single mama's with little kids... I don't know if anyone there could appreciate The Last Waltz. There's nothin' like it in the world to see folk's eyes light up when you hand them a big plate of good stuff to eat. I have all the children write down on a piece of paper, blue for boys and pink for the girls, what they want for Christmas. Mostly it's all stuff for their little brothers and sisters and they leave themselves out. Mama needs a job or we need a new furnace or something like shoes or gloves .. There are about 20 of us that make our way around town collecting money to fullfil these babies wishes. (We throw in lot's of dolls and trucks too) We get these presents and wrap them real pretty, and put them on porches a couple days before Christmas along with a check for the grocery store.. Please don't forget those less fortunate...please don't forget...

I always end up in the evening times during Thanksgiving and Christmas at the shelters and church kitchens singin and playin and the kids crowd around my feet and laugh and have fun. The old folks cry and so do I. I'm crying already. Always end up doing familiar old gospel numbers. Tomorrow I want to slip in some Kate Wolf and Hazel Dickens..

"Can't you feel those hills around you
Can't you feel that touch of home
Don't you wish you'd never gone
There are some things memories can't bring home ...

Hills of home ... Hills of home
Family scattered off and gone
These old hills ... they've been passed by
Well they seen their share of leavin' in their time
Yes they've seen their share of leavin' in their time"

Love and cherish your families folks. They're all ya got ..

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Michael J. Pollard

Thank you Paul and John for sharing those memories. I have a list of unanswered questions about the Band, and Michael J. Pollard is one of them. Record Collector in January 1996 had an item in the ‘25 Years Ago This Month’ column (i.e. regarding 1971) which said that "Band bassist Rick Danko was producing an album for Michael J. Pollard’’ - I've often wondered if it ever was released, finished whatever. Your news of speaking to him at TLW showed that the connection was still there. Any news?

Al- I cannot believe that you are allowed to speak AT ALL when ferrying kids. I never was. I was relieved of the job a couple of years ago when the third one learned to drive- but it's coming back as now they want a ride so they can drink.

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Posted by:

Joe

Subject: Johny Cash on Larry King Live

W.S. Walcott.....I also saw the Cash on King show. I too was surprised by the list of muscians and songs he mentioned during the interview. God bless Johnny Cash, I have enjoyed him since I was a kid.

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Posted by:

Laura Holt Lorfing

Location: Houston

Subject: Little Birds Singin ...... TLW...Happy Thanksgiving!!

Happy Thanksgiving!! I love you Rick. Watching TLW and hearing you say that makes me happy and sad all at the same time. We will be watching The Waltz in typical Thanksgiving tradition after all the kin folk go home and the party friends stay on for the long evening that follows. Lots of "Merlot" wine for me (my personal favorite) and plenty of other various spirits for all the other guests. Prep work will start for this little "Betty Crocker" Wed. evening and won't stop until Thurs. afternoon but I will love every minute of it because this is the holiday that I enjoy the best. Unlike Christmas where you have all the gift exchange stress and house hopping from realtives and friends houses that we always have to do....Thanksgiving is usually grounded to one spot....my place! I love it because I get to stay at home and have everyone here.... and of course TLW is always viewed later on in the evening. I think that's what keeps me energized to cook for 16 people throughout the day LOL!! Anyhoo... I want everyone to have a great holiday and be safe. PS. Thanks to Butch for the email. I look forward to "Dancin up a storm with you" when we can. What a sweetheart you are. I appreciate the return email from you. Note to Diamond Lil...can I have your email address?...wanted to mail you personaly last week but the GB doesn't post our email address anymore. Mine is "dylangirl1@yahoo.com". Would like to drop you a line about the Pawling trip. PEACE ALL!! :)

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Posted by:

Fred

Seeing that the War of 1812 re-enactments have finished...

Nice stories from John D, Paul G, Alan E and last but not least BWNWIT

Anything Garth Hudson does musically is a "favourite Garth moment"

On the subject of inane/silly/trick questions...here are I few I have been asked:

"Does Canada have a 4th of July?" (Asked by numerous Japanese and also once by a member of the United States Marine Corps)...My reply: "No, we go from the 3rd directly to the 5th".

"Does your country have four seasons?" (For some silly reason all Japanese are taught that ONLY Japan has 4 distinct seasons. Even adults will ask this question)

"When are you leaving Japan?" (during my first week in Japan)

"Do you know SO-AND-SO [first name only] from Thunder Bay?" (asked by a person from Toronto upon finding out Thunder Bay is my hometown)

the list goes on and on...

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Subject: johnny cash on larry king live

I just finishing watching Johnny Cash on Larry King. He said that in 1969 his wife June threw a wrapup party for the cast and crew of his TV show. The next day they were heading to San Quentin to perform a concert, which would later be released as a live LP.

Anyway, a few musicians showed up at the party. Five of them had just written new songs. These songs were all performed for the first time at this party. They were:

Bob Dylan "Lay Lady Lay"

Kris Kristofferson "Me and Bobby McGee"

Joni Mitchell "Both Sides Now"

Graham Nash "Marakesh Express"

None of our boys were backstage at that time so we headed on out to our seats. They were not assigned. If you have the original album have a look at where the right hand side blue spot light goes on up the photo. That is where we sat. BTW you should understand that I really did not know who was going to be at the show. When I talked with Levon on the phone about it he just said: "a few friends were dropping by!" So everything that occurred was new to me second by second. To have your mind blown does not very well describe how the evening unfolded not knowing who was on the program with any certainty.

Never will I forget that first "Good Evenin" by Levon. Somehow you just knew that this really was the "Big Time" as Ronnie Hawkins would say on stage just minutes from then. When he did appear I had not seen him with the boys since about 1962 when they played the Brock Ballroom in Peterborough Ontario Canada...the city where I was born.

Understand my 40 years in the radio & television industry were in many ways just that young lad hoping I might be able to hear the music and talk occassionally to some of these wonderful music people. Even now I can't really understand how it all happened ... but I a very grateful I was allowed to do the interviews and come into contact with people I viewed as major Toronto radio starts like John Donabie.

One of my favourite moments came with Garth doing the intro to Chest Fever. The song also took me back to my teenage years when I first saw, heard and met Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks. Hope I will have a chance to talk a little more about this soon.

Thanks again Jan, thank you everybody. shineonpaulg

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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

In one of my trips to Sin City(Hollywood CA) I happen to attend a run through for a comic who was trying to get a TV show on. They did a segment on a private detective and the comic had asked this real life private dick to find someone fer real, and he picked the actress who played Helen Crump (I think it's Crump).

Turned out to be real easy and She was just living out in the Valley or something. She looked fine as of maybe ten years ago, when this happened. Seems She had had some real life thing with Andy She didn't want to talk about.

Happy Thanksgiving.

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Posted by:

jcf

Location: New York

Subject: early van morrison recordings

Recently, I purcahsed something called Van Morrison the complete Bang Sessions. These are pre Astral Weeks recordings? Does anyone know how Van Morrison currently feels about them? In the packaging it says that he disowned these recordings early on.

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: The mighty Garth

Since one of the principal reasons I fell hook line and sinker for The Band was their eschewing of solos in favour of the subtle cumulative team effort, it would be a bit hypocritical of me to go lavishing praise on Garth's undoubted virtuosity. That said, his solo on It Makes No Difference makes me cry. I saw him practising it in his little caravan backstage at Nostell Priory with his little tenor sax enveloped by his huge beard. Everybody else was goofing round outside - except Van if you recall that piece I did on him - while dedicated Garth was practising away. a true pro in every sense.

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: FAN OBSESSION

Scrolling down and reading Brown Eyed Handsome Girl's lovely post on her meeting Robbie I thought I'd "hopefully" give you a bit of a giggle with a piece on fan obsession I did a while back relating to a sort of 'star' encounter of my own. The awe factor is the same of course but as it concerns football and the UK I perhaps better explain a few things before you read it.

The major figure in the tale is a legendary British football manager - the most successful ever - Bob Paisley. He was manager of my beloved football team - Liverpool FC. The name of Shanks refers to his predecessor Bill Shankly who is also legendary. The rest should be pretty universal.

If you find it a laugh then I'll post the follow up [the encounter as seen through the girl's eyes]in a day or so. If you don't find it amusing then you can go and fuck yourselves - JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S ONLY BOB PAISLEY

Just before Christmas I was doing one of my unpaid weekend taxi stints, hawking my daughter Caz and some of her friends to one of those trendy bars in town.

The format these little excursions usually take is for me to sit at the wheel, keep my head down just about level with the top of the dashboard and my mouth clamped firmly shut with the invaluable aid of some Wrigley’s Doublemint Gum. Meanwhile, our Caz and her garrulous entourage will normally sit in the back and proceed to talk the rear wheel off the bus in front.

Now, depending on your own particular slant on life, this may or may not seem like the ideal way for a fifty one year old man to spend large chunks of his Friday nights. I can assure you, though, in the overall scheme of my own set up, it is not half bad. The point being that as you get that bit older, the composition of your Richter scale of enjoyment tends to change quite radically.

Ferrying your loved ones round probably ranks at about level 6. This certainly compares favourably to, say, walking the dog round the block and cringing as it does its business on next door’s patio in the full glare of their burglar spotlight, which I'd put at around level 8. That said, it cannot hold a candle to the sheer bliss of settling down to watch an episode of "The Sopranos" on telly with a hot mug of cocoa and a full plate of Jaffa Cakes which I would place at around 3 or 4. Firmly planted at level 1, of course, is watching our beloved Reds. Nor is there any doubt that is where that particular joy will remain until - and who knows maybe even after - they spread my ashes on the steps of the Spion Kop.

Anyway all that apart, this particular night turned out to be rather different than the norm.

The first friend on our itinery was one we had never picked up before. She lived several miles away in a pleasant if rather unprepossessing part of Childwall, the adjoining suburb to our own. As we approached the girl’s house, our Caz asked me, in her typically laid-back manner, if I'd mind not indulging in any conversation with this particular friend.

“Er, dad, promise you won't say anything to Jane about her grandad will you?”

“Okay, love...as if I ever would, anyway.... What’s up with her grandad then, Caz?”

“You know, with him being that Liverpool Football Club manager and all that.”

Sudden screech of brakes.

“What! Liverpool manager? Which Liverpool manager? You mean OUR Liverpool manager? You mean...which?...who?...in our car? Which one...it's not Shanks is it?”

“God, dad, calm down will you. It's ONLY Bob Paisley.”

“Bob Paisley! You mean THE Bob Paisley? OUR Bob Paisley. Why... Why hadn't you told me before? I mean you're friends with Bob Paisley's granddaughter and you’ve never told me? Your own dad. How on earth could you know such a thing and not tell me? ... Did your mum know? ... Why didn't you tell me?... Flippin’ ‘eck, Caz, I don't believe this. You're actually mates with Bob Paisley’s flesh and blood and she's going to be getting into our car any second now and you casually tell me as we pull up outside her house that she's Bob Paisley's granddaughter. I mean what am I supposed to say to her... Does she know I'm a big Red by the way?”

“Of course she doesn't.”

“She doesn't? You mean to say you've never told her that your dad's a big Red? Your own dad?”

“Of course I haven't.”

“What d'you mean ‘of course’? How can you sit there so calmly and say that? Surely it must have cropped up in the conversation at some stage? I mean flippin’ ‘eck, Caz, what the heck do you talk about?”

“Dad, we've never even mentioned football.” \

“What! She's Bob Paisley's daughter and you've never discussed football with her. Jeez, Caz, I don't believe this. I mean, do you actually know who Bob Paisley is... I mean was? I mean, he's only the greatest football manager this country's ever seen. I mean... how come you don't know that anyway? I've told you enough times, haven't I? Don't you remember any of those European Cups? When were you born? Seventy seven? Jeez, you must have watched the '84 final on the telly. Surely you must remember that one? Bruce Grobbelaar and Allan Kennedy? Mind you that wasn't Bob was it...still...”

“...Dad, she doesn't even like football.”

“What! She doesn't like football? DOESN'T LIKE FOOTBALL!!!! Don't be bloody stupid Caz. Of course, she likes football. She's bound to like football. You can't be Bob Paisley's granddaughter and not like football. Jeez, Caz, don't you know anything about...”

“...Dad, I’m telling you. She doesn’t.”

“I don’t believe this ...Does she look like Bob Paisley?”

“ I don’t know. What does Bob Paisley look like?”

“What! You don’t know what Bob Paisley looks like?...I mean looked like... I mean...flippin heck...Remember your great grandad Jones?”

“Yeah”

“Well, he looked a bit like him.”

“But, he was ninety two.”

“Yeah, well.”

“Well, Jane’s only twenty two.”

“So?”

“Well, she’s not going to look like my ninety two year old great grandad, is she? Anyway, dad, here she is now. Now promise you won't make a show of me.”

Well, I guess it must have been the best part of a week before our Caz forgave me.

The thing was, I was nowhere near as nervous as I thought I'd have been meeting someone who, let's face it, is our equivalent to a member of the Royal Family. Needless to say, being Bob Paisley's kith and kin, Jane was as nice as homemade apple pie. If not a whole lot nicer. A really lovely girl. She answered every single question about her grandad as effortlessly as Bob, himself, used to gather trophies. Lapped it up she did. In fact - and I know our Caz is adamant I've got this last bit completely wrong - I swear she'd have preferred to stop and talk to me about the Reds and her grandad for the rest of the night rather than go on to that trendy bar with Caz and the other girls.

For the record, by the way, you'd never tell from the way she spoke that she was even a distant relative of the great man, let alone his granddaughter. There was certainly no sign of any north country lilt or anything like that. Also I do have to say that I did find her a wee bit sketchy when it came to the actual details of some of her grandad's successes.

Mind you, when all's said and done, the poor girl was born and raised in Childwall, so I suppose that might go some way towards accounting for the absence of Bob's accent. And let's be honest here, even the most fanatical of us can get a trifle mixed up when it comes to recollecting every single one of those cups her grandad brought back home to Liverpool.

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Garth the one man orchestra

1. I love Garth's little melody on ROA version of "The Weight", right after "Ahh Ahh And You can put the load right on me", as the bass and piano do those little descending stabs he plays a really simple and soulful melody over it, gets me every time.

2. The crazy stuff on "Stagefright" from TLW, like a string section gone mad.

3. The way he goes from the fairground style organ on the chorus to the funky clavinet on "Up On Cripple Creek".

4. His speech about music being a great healer in TLW.

Someone who had the pleasure of meeting Garth and spending some time in deep conversation with him said to me that even when he's talking it's like he's improvising like a jazz musician or something, and it was hard to keep up with his train of thought. If it's anything like his amazing playing then I'm not suprised. There's only one Garth.

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Posted by:

Dave

Location: Minnesota

Subject: Garth & Mickey

Garth on Ballad of a Thin Man from Guitar's Kissing (Live 1966) is so spooky it makes my skin crawl.

Peter, you said you still haven't received the Mickey Jones DVD? I got mine within a couple days of my order online. Better drop them an e-mail. I've only watched it once but it was very enjoyable. Funny, though, how he lumps himself into "The Band" and never once mentions two words during the whole show: Levon Helm. I wonder if he felt a little like Pete Best in the end.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: More on Moore

As Michael Moore took us so far this week down fairly unimportant side tracks … the Quiz show he did was called “Dumb Yanks” (which title I was far too polite to post on Sunday) and the lady he pulled up from Cornell was highly intelligent (naturally with straight As) and also feisty. The opponent is someone with poorer grades from a ‘non-prominent British university or technical college’. In case you think I’m making a British point about education here, I have one son at an American university and one at a British one, and my personal rating places the American university as considerably better.

The quiz is rigged- well, you knew that already … and at one point she started to catch up to his dismay. Worse, she topped a couple of his gags at high speed (she named the Vice-President “The Dick, Cheney”) and got more laughs than he did. He can think on his feet though, and the next time she topped him and got a bigger laugh, he “deducted three points for arrogance.” And got a bigger laugh. Ah, well, it was all entertainment. At £30 a ticket (more than Dylan or Paul Simon + band), two packed houses a night he is raking it in. While he was raging at us for allowing our tax dollars to be spent on arms (in our case it should have been tax pounds), I did idly consider what the 17.5% Value Added Tax on our tickets was going towards … and what he was proposing doing about it.

Having experience of both the US and British systems, there is in fact a good reason for the assured British victory in such quizzes. The British used to give a rapid overview of history and geography laden with facts and details which were to be learned and tested. I found American teachers at higher levels tended to zero in on a smaller area and treat it in more depth, assuming that the research / analysis skills acquired on the limited area could be re-applied to other areas at will IF the need arose. Well, that was usually so, but the love of naming state capitals was definitely anorak and silly. Anyway, the British as a result will have a better chance at a factual quiz, but will probably be screwed if you ask “Why?” or “How?” which wasn’t part of the curriculum. We stuck carefully to “When?” and “Where?”

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: I'm such a child...

Thanks everybody, for being so nice to me this morning...I kinda felt like Sally Field when she accepted her Oscar for Norma Rae..She said "You like me you really like me" I can speak for most everyone when I say "Yeah yeah yeah so we like ya. Might a well try to like ya, it don't look like you're goin' anywhere. Just shut up will ya. Take some pills and go to sleep"

Mr. Donabie, Please don't leave us. You're the soul of the place. Ya see below this where I wrote you down that song. When you flipped out just a litte bit yesterday I thought of that song..... I love you, I know I would.. please get better for us.

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: I can't get you out of my head..

"Whatever happened to Helen Crumb?
I heard she crumbled out on the reruns...
(She was) walkin' down Mayberry Street RFD...
How could she have known Andy was one of those...

He was a bat..Andy was a bat (Andy as a bat)
Andy was a bat (Andy was a bat) ...
A Vampire Bat (vampire bat)

Whatever became of Barney Fife?
I saw him fighting for his life..
He trusted in Andy.. that good ol' dude...
How could he have known that Andy had another mood..

He was a bat..Andy was a bat (Andy was a bat)
Andy was a bat (Andy was a bat)
A Vampire bat (vampire bat)

There goes Goober down to Floyds..
To get an earful of Floyd Devoy...
In rushes Howard lookin' erect..
Said they found Otis with bite marks on his neck..

He was a bat ... Andy was a bat (Andy was a bat)
Andy was a bat (Andy was a bat)
A Vampire bat (vampire bat)..

Instrumental solo

If you're ever passin' thru Mayberry RFD..( R F D)..
On the way to Mount Pilot stop and talk with Opie and Aunt Bee..
They'll tell you a story about an upstanding teacher, town drunk and Deputee, Helen, Otis and Barney...

He was a bat..Andy was a bat (Andy was a bat)
Andy was a bat (Andy was a bat)
A Vampire Bat (vampire bat)

Repeat chorus and fade out...."

--Written by an American Indian kid from Arizona--

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Posted by:

Bones

Subject: Group Hug!

Glad to see that we have all kissed and made up. I wish Butch and Brown Eyed Girl would come back. I, for one, am here to find out more about The Band and its members, not hear peoples' views on politics. Butch and BEG were in the middle of telling us personal experiences with Band members when they left. Let's get back to the MUSIC!

Posted by:

muffy

Location: dc -- at one time

Subject: horsefeathers

Having heard quite a few rather amazing stories about Rick Danko around town lately, I felt I should drop by real quick and say that, when it comes to The Band, Woodstock -- and especially to Rick, it would seem, these days -- it's generally a good idea to follow their advice. IOW, don't believe what you hear, and only half of what you see...

I'm especially amazed when I hear people say stuff that makes them look bad. To paraphrase the way that Rick once put it, "They were always there at mealtime ..."

Finally, I'd like very much to know how Rick's daughter and grandson are doing. I haven't heard anything, but want them (as well as Rick's brothers and their families) to know that if there is anything I can do for them, I'd like to help in any way I can -- and would love to hear from them. I can be reached at this e-mail address: muffyrene{at}hotmail.com

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Posted by:

I dig Garth on "Atlantic City."

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Posted by:

Richard Wall

To my ears, Garth's magnificent moments are far too numerous to list, but I'd sure have fun trying. In addition to those already mentioned, I must, of course, add The Sea To The North CD in its entirety, Garth Largo and Feed the Birds, plus two recent ones: "hidden" tracks at the end of Lucky Man Clark's Seaworthy CD.

Garth's contributions to records by other musicians (around 150 so far, I think), and his own inventive (to say the least) solo endeavors put him in a solar system all his own. And what a harmonious star he orbits!

He didn't play too badly in The Band, either, did he? That organ solo on Bessie Smith knocks me over, but don't get me started...)

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Transcripts

Yeah, John W. you more or less transcribed what Michael Moore said last Saturday. You know, it's a bit like those concerts in here at the moment. The ones where arrogant musicians keep everyone waiting for two hours because they're watching the football. We're sitting here waiting and there's no music coming out, so we're sort of turning round and saying, 'Hey! You spilt beer on my foot,' and 'Your cigarette smoke's going right up my nose!' and getting generally testy until the band, or better The Band, come on stage.

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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: more favorite Garth moments...

1. "Resurrection," on Robbie's "Storyville"

2. "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues," on "Bob Dylan Live 1966"

3. "Genetic Method," Last Waltz

4. "It Makes No Difference" sax solos, Last Waltz

5. "Ophelia," horn arrangement

6. "Knockin' Lost John," accordion

come on, others, join in...

yes Charlie, I agree, no doubt about "Chest Fever," and "Moon" has some of the best playing on "Cahoots" even if the lyrics are odd.

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Posted by:

John W.

Wow I really did not mean to start such a firestorm with my posts. Maybe it's something about putting brief posts in a GB but it seems people can sieze a couple of words and miss your whole point and interpret your whole worldview based on one passage. At no time did I try to say Americans are NOT generally provincial, nor did I try to belittle Canada or anyplace else. I was merely challenging the "methodology" of Michael Moore in trying to show Americans as stupid and provincial!

MOORE: OK, Mr. Ivy League Graduate, tell me the name of the President of Canada."

IVY: "Um... I don't know."

MOORE: "A-HA! This means you are stupid and provincial. You also did not know that it's a Prime Minister, not a President. Therefore you are DOUBLE stupid and provincial. And since you are an Ivy League graduate, representing the brightest of Americans, surely the rest of Americans must be even MORE stupid and provincial than you are."

IVY: "Well, it just doesn't seem to be the most important thing in the world to me..."

MOORE: "Ah-HA! Ladies and gentlemen, this last comment proves beyond all doubt how stupid and provincial Americans are, and now I have proven to you why they must wear Maple Leafs on their backpacks when they travel abroad!"

It just doesn't seem to be a very scientific method to me. It's like asking a Frenchman "Besides Chuck Schumer, who is the other man who is a U.S. Senator from New York? Oh, you don't know the name? Well it's NOT A MAN either, it's Hillary Clinton, and since you are DOUBLY stupid, this proves the French are provincial!" Now I have no doubt that the French ARE provincial but I just don't think this scenario is scientific evidence of that. OK? I love Canada!

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Ben's 'panties in a bunch', as my wife would say

Ben, it's over. If you want to go into GB history, then let's not forget how you declared your 'hate' for me, Butch, Diamond Lil, and at least one other person in the same post and are yet to apologize for it as other classy people have apologized to each other recently on the GB. Keep going, I'm not the one you are making look bad. In fact, I hereby apologize for anything I have ever said to offend anyone out here. It's not even about who's right or who's wrong anymore, it's about being kind and forgiving. Can you be the same way?

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There

Subject: Translations ... NOT

Too funny Bill. It appears to be bastardized
conglomeration of illiterate Spanish and Portuguese.
As far as I can see only Rocking Chair
and Whispering Pines come out unscathed ...

"Mandibulo' is particularly interesting. It would
translate as [Mandible] if the spelling were correct.

Those wacky Mexicans ... DON'T START NOW !!!

IT WAS A JOKE ...

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Worldwide Whipping Post

Bill, no harm no foul. I think the knee jerk reaction these days is leaning towards "blame the Americans" and, while in some cases it may be justified, the problems we are all facing right now have spilled well beyond Washington, D.C. and our borders. The problems are just as much yours as ours as theirs.

This is not directed at anyone in particular...taking shots at us now may seem like shooting fish in the old proverbial barrel but when these bastards pull the pin in your own backyards who do you think will be the first at your sides? Those pot shots will take on a very different connotation at that point in time. I hope for everyone's sake those issues need never be addressed.

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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Tull, may I suggest sir, that you are as full of crap as a Woodstock port o pottie after Ex Lax laced acid. Now you discover how wrong it is to "gratuitously" knock those others in the guestbook may respect, something you would NEVER do to Bill Clinton. Nah, not unless it was on the day the man's dog died, which just showed what a horrible man he was because it was only a rented dog, or some other such gem you had picked up on Limbaugh. I would ask you seriously, ANY second thoughts, in the wake of 9-11, for the 8 years of "win at any cost" lies against our President that did so much to empower Bin Laden? Here's a newsflash fer yeah, Roz. Bill O'Reilly and the rest of the gang at "fair and balanced" Fox News are right wing liars, stiring up hatred in the dimwitted ("F@ck The Rest Of The World") like you. Since you are far too lazy to take the rudementary steps in trying to figure out what is going on in the world beyond that which flatters your ego at an infintile level( it's called "Patriotism") I salute the hell out of you for never having voted.

A great NEW Garth moment for X-mas is the Greensleves off the "Last Waltz" collection.

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Rosalind

Roz, that stuff about the band coming from the wrong side of the tracks and how they are percieved is spot on I reckon. I'm afraid I don't have anything to add to that cos you said it, all save to say that I relished every line. I don't care if I agree with everything you say or not. This place would be dead without your kin of fire and passion, it gets people talking. Keep on Keepin' on!

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John D: We understand it's a difficult time for you. You know I love you, and I don't think anyone here wants you to leave. You apologized, and I know Roz has a big enough heart to accept it.

Thanks for listening y'all. Have a good day.

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Posted by:

Rosalind

Subject: John D.

I understand. I understood as soon as it happened. I understand what it's like to get bad news... and how it can come out in anger and frustration. I'm sorry Sir. My Last post has nothing to do with you, You've known The Band a long time. I just get seered with the soulessness and the deadness of this place sometimes. I maybe went overboard again..maybe

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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: GB

is there a commercial break for this soap opera???

I am going to call this place "As the GB Turns"

A question that has to do with music... anyone have any updates on Levon's Flordia trip??? and how it went??

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Posted by:

Location: St.Paul

Subject: Roz

Agreed Alan, I don't agree with Roz on all her political or religious opinions but to make fun of ones mental health just because you don't agree isn't cool, after all isn't an opinion everyone's right. If ya don't agree voice that but don't get personel...

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Posted by:

Pocket Valley boy

Location: Norway
Web: My link

Subject: You are great!

Great website... Maybe I will use you for my school work!!!!

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Rosalind

I have not the faintest insight into the reasons behind Rosalind's current nor indeed past skirmishes on the GB. I do know that there is Prozac? involved somewhere along the line [so fuckin what like?], that she is occasionally insulting and that there is more than the odd whiff of political right-wingness within some of her posts that make this particular out and and out rampant socialist squirm. I know also that she has often contradicted herself in some of her own threads [there again who can hold their hands on their heart and say they haven't]

That said I often find her soul-baring frankness to be the most endearing on this GB, often the most amusing and - other than BWNWIT invariably the most entertaining. Personally I think free spirits like Rosalind need to be loved and cherished not disparaged. I am not taking sides here because I have time for everyone who posts on this site including dear John D with his admirable stands for respect for his homeland. Fact is everyone here is blessed with at least a few fine qualities and - other than when discussing the number of frets on Robbies left shinbone or something equally numbingly boring - it makes a visit here usually worthwhile.

Let's though please desist from knocking Roz. It's not fucking on no matter how much she might set herself up for it.

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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: among my favorite Garth moments...

1. "Apple Suckling Tree" organ solo

2. "Jupiter Hollow" synthesizer textures

3. "Rag Mama Rag" piano solo

4. "Little Island"

5. "The River Hymn" piano intro (I assume it's him)

for a start, at least...anyone else want to chime in???

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Posted by:

Rosalind

Subject:

John D. So I post too much? My posts "Lately have been ugly and disgusting"? Which ones please Sir? I hate foreigners? I don't hate foreigners. I Just want to wake up in the morning, take a nice shower and a big gulp of fresh water without out fear that some anti-American neighbor has doused it with biological warfare. I just want to walk through my local shopping mall with confidence that the place won't be blown to smithereens by a terrorist's bomb. I want to fly across the sky believing that probably I will reach my destination without being raped or having my head blow off by an enemy of the United States. Tell me Sir, What would your solution be? I hear a lot of whining as usual but no solution to OUR American problem. I just want things to be like they used to be before 9 / 11. But it's not, and it never will be again. And Please Sir, That comment about MY Medication was out of line and quite immature for a fully-grown, worldly 55 year old man such as yourself. I want you to take a look at those medicine bottles on your kitchen table, in your medicine chest at home, in your car or in your private bathroom area at work, those pills that you are forced to consume in order to walk across this planet in something resembling relatively good health, and THEN you come and justifiably, with clean conscience, critisize (Make fun of) me for being forced into the same desperate situation.

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Posted by:

Dorothy Sanders-Einhorn

Location: Oklahoma City

Subject: Levon Helm

I love Levon Helm, he's one of the best. Thank you for letting me say so. Dorothy Sanders Einhorn

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

It's unfortunate that people seem to equate Americans with American politics and media. Some "foreigners" don't seem to realize, generally, that many, many Americans disagree with the actions of their country, and have the same reservations about our government's actions that they do. So when we have Dan Quayle's mental inferior running the show, people unfortunately equate his bad decisions with what they preceive as the arrogant attitude of the country as a whole, not seeming to realize that a different leadership would have resulted in very different actions. Having arguably the worst president in the last 100 years at the helm in one of the more difficult periods in recent memory (not that I feel that the tragedies of last year are on an equal level to pre-WWII tensions or the Cuban Missile Crisis) doesn't help matters.

And I think that any perceived shortcomings of Americans' intellects should be viewed more as a shortcoming of the American media, and to a lesser extent the American educational system, than to a disinterest among Americans.

Rosalind, logically I assume that when you wish to close the borders and send away all foreign vacationers, you also have no problem with no longer accepting any oil from Saudi Arabia, clothes from Taiwan, beer (and hockey players) from Canada, Germay or Ireland (God save the Guinness!), stereos, TVs, VCRs and cars from Japan, automotive parts from Mexico, baseball players from the Dominican Republic, music from any foreign-owned record label (all of 'em!), toys built in China, eating Chinese, Mexican or Indian food, listening to a guitar player using a British Marshall amplifier, working in a building designed by a Pakisitani engineer, or having your life saved by a Korean doctor. And send back that Richard Manuel CD you got from Japan. You'd also look pretty dumb riding your American Steel Harley-Davidson with the flag flying on the back without any Mexican-made forks to hold on the front wheel. It's kind of interesting, too, that you'd post that if the rest of the world don't like it they can shut up on the same day you posted rather eloquently about Billie Holiday's "Strange Fruit" and Rosa Parks. Would Africans also be excluded from your country?

Nothin' like bashing someone on the ole GB then refusing to explain why to spread a little holiday cheer!

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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN USA

I drove back into the US on this past 9/9... a couple of days before the anniversary... no problems... across the bridge at Port Huron... no problems... Customs guy saw me in my Garth shirt... no problems... I met some really nice people in London... no problems... and I've met quite a few nice Canadians in here too... no problems... btw I dumped my Canadian coin at the border and got a nice red cap that reads Canada... and a lighter with a maple leaf on it... annnnnnnd, I got to see the show of a lifetime... no problems... God bless Canada...

Entered at Tue Nov 26 04:21:56 CET 2002 from 1cust150.tnt2.norfolk2.va.da.uu.net (67.208.125.150)

Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Norfolk, VA, USA (not UK) for tonight...
Web: My link

Subject: Bob Bares His Chest at My Old School!

Check my link for a review of the November 22nd Dylan gig at my old school (George Mason University, just outside of DC). You can click on the photo to see Bob's Christina-Brittney-Shakira bare-chested tease. I'm sorry I missed the show, as I have seen Bob's last two concerts at that venue. He seems to love it for some reason I cannot fathom. It's a freakin' gymnasium with crappy acoustics, but DC-area crowds are always great for Dylan. I hope he will play historic Constitution Hall next time, where I have seen great gigs ranging from Zappa and Springsteen in the 1970's to Hornsby and Stevie Wonder with the great president Bill Clinton in 1996.

Apologies for the tabloid-type headline above, but it worked for Rupert Murdock in building his sleazy tabloid news empire and it is a way to get some attention among the right-wing Fox News addicts here who have helped make this into a virtual Tower of Babel at times recently.

Speaking of colleges: the College of William & Mary was founded in 1693 and remains one of the best places for higher learning in America, even though Harvard is actually older. In fact, I will be there tomorrow, picking up my daughter for Thanksgiving on my way back from a business trip. She's making great grades there and I am extremely proud of her, as she is already an award-winning writer (it looks like Lil's daughter might be on the same path).

Speaking of daughters, happy 21st birthday to the Bush twins. I wonder what they will be doing tonight...

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Posted by:

WS Walcott

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Posted by:

John D

I'm posting so much tonight I'm beginning to feel like rosalind. That's scary. Sorry rosalind I used to be on your side. Your comments lately are ugly and disgusting. This is my last political post and quite honestly I don't really give a damn about politics generally. Bayou Sam!!!!!!!! You say you handed over your wallet and then bent over. I take it you got your large amount of change in the wrong pocket. Your dollar is worth over $1.50 Canadian. We're getting about 63 cents on your dollar. I'd say do the math. I'll take the American dollar any day.

The one theme here I see tonight is that people like Godfrey and myself are not anti- American in any way shape or form. That's been proven over the years. Just pointing out some of the craziness of three posters. However for a site that is based on 4 out of 5 Canadians........I find some of this really ludicrous. I suppose if you want to deport Robbie and Garth and bring back Rick's body to Canada then the three of you will be happy. Back to the music for me.

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Posted by:

Lil Again

John D: Take a deep breath.. and do the Danko shuffle :-) Hug.

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Paul G: (Hi!) Thanks for you nice post about The Last Waltz. I never tire of hearing the stories from the folks who were there (yeah..even Rollie's account still fascinates me :-)
As Pat Brennan just posted, this Thanksgiving marks the 26th anniversary of that wonderful concert! 26 years.. hard to comprehend sometimes. I know when I watch the film, it doesn't feel like it happened that long ago. I was wondering if you folks who were actually there..find it hard to believe that it took place more than a quarter of a century ago?

And because this is traditionally a time to remember what we're thankful for, I want to say that I am tremendously thankful for good friends I've met through this site.. from _all_ countries. The sentiment expressed here earlier is _not_ a belief of mine. People are people.. there are bad apples in every walk of life. You choose your friends for who they are..not where they come from. At least I do.

Have a good night everyone.

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Paul Godfrey

I couldn't agree more Paul. You and I love the United States and just want us all to be one big happy family again. Nothing wrong with that. There are others however whom I mentioned in another post that really don't want our friendship even if it's only 1 10th the size. When I think of the tears and the money that flowed south after Sept 11th and then I read what I did tonight.........you have to wonder about some people. God Bless America and Canada

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I can't beleive we're getting into a pissing match over Countries. It's funny - as much as we U.S. of Americans don't know what's happening elswhere - it seems from the posts outside the U.S. that alot of folks don't have as good a grasp on the U.S. as they think they have. Maybe it's simply because it's a great big world and it's not the same all over. Could it be that simple?

Oh Canada (pun intended) - don't take it personally that you have a slightly harder time coming across the border. Sept. 11th is not something we've ever really dealt with on that magnitude before. Actually, the security here is probably not as tight as it needs to be..........I'm sure Canadians spend a lot in Florida - I was in Niagra Falls, Ontario earlier this year and I may as well have just handed them my wallet and bent over when I got there. What's the point. We spend a lot at tourist spots, everywhere.

BTW - I don't know the Prime Minister of Canada - don't know the oldest University in any America - I DID know the closest neighbor answer. Am I good, bad, smart, dumb - one of you experts tell me.

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Posted by:

ARTHUR GOLDKLANG

Location: FLORIDA

Subject: LEVON HELM AND THE BARNBURNERS

IS THERE A LEVON HELM & THE BARNBURNERS CD IN THE WORKS. I SAW THEM SAT AT THE BAMBOO ROOM IN LAKE WORTH FLORIDA AND THE BAND WAS SMOKIN',ESPECIALLY CHRIS O'LEARY ON HARP & VOCALS.THE BEST SHOW I'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: John W & Tiny Monster & rosalind

Coming Soon! The History of The World revised edition: by John W, Tiny Monster and from the hills to the stills and on to the pills.....rosalind. You'll find it under fiction.

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: rosalind

Get back on your medication. You are now crossing over the line again. What the hell are you on when you make such a moronic statement!

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Eddie Izzard\Bob Wigo

My pleasure Bob, the info at the bottom may be of some interest. Cheers Al, that joke was so crap I laughed anyway so nice one! Eddie being a tranny don't bother me none, in fact some of his sketches/stories on the subject are great, especially when he talks of a transvestite army parachuting in to enemy territory plastered in make-up("one of the main elements of attack is suprise"),funny stuff. Anyway, all this chat made me wonder what he's up to at the moment so I went to his website and I just found out he's over in the US promoting the DVD I mentioned earlier. And for those of you across the pond who may be imterested he's appearing on or at the following.

11/26/02: THE WAYNE BRADY SHOW

THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO

11/27/02: THE LATE LATE SHOW WITH CRAIG KILBORN

12/06/02: THE CAROLINE RHEA SHOW OPEN MIC WITH MIKE BULLARD

Eddie will also be appearing at the following US stores to promote the release of DRESS TO KILL:

11/26/02 (Tuesday), 7:00 PM: Virgin Megastore 8000 W. Sunset Blvd. Hollywood CA 90046 323-650-8666

12/01/02 (Sunday), 4:00 PM Borders Books & Music (Union Square) 400 Post Street San Francisco CA 94102 415-399-1633

12/03/02 (Tuesday), 6:30 PM Borders Books & Music 461 Park Avenue New York NY 10022 212-980-6785

Anyway sorry to harp on, just thought I'd share the laughter.Enjoy.

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Posted by:

Paul G

Location: C A N A D A The Promised Land
Web: My link

Subject: Sept 11 Fall out

Dave...Minnesota

Canadians hurt big time from Sept 11th. We lost 22 of our own in NYC. Our fire departments have raised hundreds of thousands of dollars sent to various firefighter funds in New York. Those same trucks still carry AMERICAN FLAGS. Not bad for a little 10% shadow country north of America.

John John, don't know if I ever caught you so PO'd my friend. I agree with all of your sentiments.

Please understand I am not anti American. However I am Proudly Canadian. I used to visit the U.S. a great deal but now just cannot afford it because of our dollar.

Lord can we get back to Last Waltz discussions. That was a time when I could fly out to SF. A time to unknowingly meet one of the richest and most humble men in America. He even sent me a personalized Tyson Chicken work shirt after I paid him back the money he lent to pay for my Last Waltz t-shirts because my Canadian money was no good at the Wonderland Ballroom.

Politics...I have always found that a tuff call. Our liberal governments have always had a hands off policy with the U.S. And the conservatives have always been to patronizing. Our present Prime Minister is a left over from Trudeau times. Trudeau was awarded the order of Lenin. Go figure. Probably got us a good rusky grain deal.

Airport security. I am happy to be frisked..have my luggage gone threw etc. Makes me feel a little more secure. Its the price you pay for flying in this new century.

shineonpaulg

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There

Subject: Canada ... Again

Well, it seems after doing a "little" research to back up my pretentious claim, I've only come up with a couple instances of terrorists actually being caught coming into the U.S.A. through the Canadian border ... Most of these sources claim Canadas "refugee" policies are their main concern and their lack of documentation in general ...

I'm going to write a song about it ... Call it ... OH , Uh, MMmmm ...?

Awe, screw it. ... Yea, that's it ! ... Awe Screw It !

Oh, Canada ...

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Comedians

Must admit Lifeboy every time I see you post your name I'm reminded of an old workmate of mine who used to 'tread the boards' as a comic in South Lancashire.

One of his favourite lines - he seemed to crack it at least once a day though my memory may well be playing tricks -was a very brief and extremely rude 'soap brand' man/woman exchange which went something along the lines of -

"Put this in yer palm Olive"

"Not on yer Life boy"

Needless to say with such crappy material he never trod the boards for very long :-o)

As regards Eddie Izzard - thanks to my son's immersion in comedy we were alerted to his unique comic genius as soon as he emerged - must admit his transvestitism leaves me a bit cold - though I have to admit to fancying one of his frocks once - but his surreal imagination has me in stitches - his daleks routine has to be one of the all time classics.

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Posted by:

Dave

Location: Minnesota

Subject: Canada

It's not just the Canadians getting hassled at the border. I travelled from Minneapolis to Toronto via Chicago O'Hare. I got patted down and searched at each entry, going into and out of Canada. In Toronto, I was the sole "white guy" in the long line of Pakistanis waiting to go through the thorough verbal inquisition of the customs agents. Why did they pick me out? I don't know, but I sure as hell ain't gonna complain about it. I feel that the extra security is fine since I have nothing to hide. If you are bitching that Canadians have it too hard getting into the country (USA), quit your bitching, suck it up, and pray thet Sept 11th never happens to you. Now, let's talk music....

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: The IRA

Bill, that's an unfair characterization of America's support of the IRA. My understanding is that most of the funds used to support the IRA come from the private sector and have for a long, long time. Irish emigrants and subsequent generations have found their way to many countries around the globe. Millions settled in Canada.It's very possible the money spent to kill any particular innocent in England or elsewhere could just as well have come from a hat passed in Toronto OR Boston.

I'll grant you there has been more overt support from the States but the IRA has garnered support from many, many sympathizers in many, many countries. I highly doubt Canada could claim no countrymen having contributed.

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Terrorists

I'm going to spot you this one Bill (at least
temporarily) as I am going from memory aquired shortly
after the attacks. I'll research it further. But the
fact is, the restraints at the Canadian border are no
more stringent than those imposed on any American trying
to get OUT of this country.

The United States Of America that is ...

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Posted by:

John W.

Why did Canadian Prime Minister Jean Cretien refuse to accept the resignation offered by his communications director, Francoise Ducros, after reports came out that she had called U.S. President George Bush "a moron" for using a NATO summit in Prague to drum up support for a war in Iraq?

Canadian Alliance MP Jason Kennedy said Ducros' words are only a symptom of a larger problem. "The problem is a string of anti-Americanism coming from people in senior positions with the Liberal government. These sort of comments just further impair a relation we need to build."

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Posted by:

Bill

Tiny M: I don't believe that any of the Sept 11 terrorists crossed into the US from Canada. They had no reason to, as they had legit papers for the US. Wasn't there some sort of flap afterwards when some of them were advised, posthumously of course, that their visas had been extended? This latest Saudi flap is interesting isn't it? Imagine someone in one country half-wittingly financing terror in another country like that! I wonder if anyone in the UK thinks about all that US money that went to the IRA so that it could blow up innocent Irish and British people?

Entered at Mon Nov 25 23:37:52 CET 2002 from user-11218lr.dsl.mindspring.com (66.32.162.187)

Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Spanish/Mexican

Yeah, never trust those Mexican album sleeves.

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Spanish 101 ... French 7.0

La noche condujeron viejo Dixie abajo ...

"La Noche que enganaron a la Veija Dixie" ... ?
In the interest of accuracy ...

Jean Chretien ...
Ne fait vraiment rien pour moi ...
insignifiant à l'Américain ...

Si vous avez beaucoup de mal à entrer dans ce séjour de pays ...
à la maison.

Les terroristes Sept.11 sont venus à ce pays par la
frontière canadienne.

Attente dans la ligne

You tell em Roz

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

JTullfan, I'm not arguing about anything. Bush, like Clinton, lied about his past. I'm an American and I don't care much about it either.

The Rascals released a single of Groovin' with an Italian version on one side and a Spanish version on the other. And, in the few moments it took me to check out that info on the Rhino boxed set, I was reminded how great they were.

Thanksgiving's coming up, people, which means the 26th Anniversery of a certain event....

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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

I always thought our closest neighbor was who ever else had the bomb... I have to say it would be cool if I could find out from this GB what was considered the best guitar music from Brazil... or accordian from Romania... or drums from Africa... etc,... John D: I loved your post on Communication... and have been thinking about it all day... the corporate part... the generation gap part... and then just the whole notion of clear versus unclear...

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Posted by:

Bill

Location: not the USA

David P: You're right. My point was that although Vanguard managed to work out that Jaime was really Robbie (well, Robby) and that Mark was really Levon, they remained stumped by Eric. By the way, as a personal favour, can you, as a clearly intelligent observer, tell me if I've fucked off yet? (It's so hard to tell from this close.)

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Quiz of the Week

British performer in drag? There are so many! I’d think it was Eddie Izzard too, because of the history bias, but it could just have been Liverpudlian comic Lily Savage, but Lily Savage is pretty dirty. Eddie Izzard has long brilliant monologues yet he almost never tells a dirty joke, or makes a thing about being a transvestite either. He was disappointing live, because he has a TV mumble- when I went to see him, 70% of us couldn’t hear a word he said and we sat glumly watching the front middle block of the hall crying with laughter.

OK, Calvin gets the closest neighbour- Russia at 2.5 miles between a Russian island and a US island.

The oldest university in North America is the University of Mexico (don’t know which one exactly), which is about 100 years older than Harvard – and I seem to think Calvin is right and Harvard isn’t the oldest in the USA either. I know this about U of Mexico because I have given a couple of lectures there and EVERYBODY told me. I since found it’s a classic question. I once got into an argument with someone over this who said that it must have been largely a theological seminary in the 16th century (it was founded very shortly after the conquest), but that would also have been true of the early years of Harvard (and Oxford and Paris and Bologna).

And don’t forget Moore was only accepting Ivy league graduates with straight As – not your average 35 year old.

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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Bill: Regarding Vanguard's personnel listing; I don't have my original LP copy handy, but didn't the listing on Hammond's 1965 "So Many Roads" have Jaime Robertson, Eric Hudson & Mark Helm? I'll have to find my copy tonight & verify the listing.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Our closest neighbor and 'peace'

Peter, if I missed the answer, the closest neighbor to the U.S. is Russia, which possesses an island one mile distant from an Aleutian Island (Alaska, which is technically our easternmost state as well)Of course, one might argue for the Conch Republic, formerly known as Key West. PAT: between you and me it ain't worth arguing about. I do feel it comes from a lakc of respect out here. I know many if not most GB'ers either don't care about American politics or don't agree with me and the other conservatives out here and I am cool with that. I just wish they would respect our sensibilities and refrain from excessive bad-mouthing of people we respect with the assumption that everyone else will agree. I don't gratuitously knock liberals or Clinton out here in deferance to those who value him/them, but I will respond sometimes just to prove that the world is not in lock step with one point of view.

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Posted by:

Subject: Oldest North American University

Peter, somehow I feel like I'm about to be corrected but I always believed Harvard University to be the oldest North American university.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: La Noche que enganaron a la Veija Dixie

Spanish is the loving tongue....

History and geography are consistently shortchanged in the American school system for painfully obvious reasons. First, its almost always a gym teacher who doubles as the hist/geo teacher, which means you're gonna get a poor job of it. Second and more insidious, history texts are overseen by government agencies which insures bureaucratic and political control of the material. I attribute the whole mess to the nature of history itself. Its a big jumble with millions of facets and practically impossible to translate to text in a cogent manner. So, you get a bleached out version of it okay'ed by the government which is attempting to tell its side of the story. That's a recipe for a tasty treat, ain't it?

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Posted by:

Bill

Peter V: I'd've guessed Bermuda, Cuba then Russia. I believe that Canada's nearest non-US neighbour is France, in the form of the dinky departement of St Pierre et Miquelon, followed by Greenland.

In other news, over the weekend I dropped into the local Goodwill store to check out the vinyl and hit paydirt - in the form of Mexican pressings of the second and third Band LPs. "Stage Fright" looks just like ours, minus the wraparound photo - though that in itself doesn't say much.

The second LP, on the other hand, is seriously different - no photos, no credits, cover is sort of colourful psych with the words "rock efectivo" in the graphic, drops "When You Awake" from side 1 and "Unfaithful Servant" from side 2. Song titles all in English, but Spanish translation of each is provided; "A traves de la gran separacion", for instance. I once had a Mexican Rascals LP, and the boys sang "Groovin'" in Spanish. No such luck here, however. Here are the notes:

"Cada album de The Band es un gran evento en el ambito mucial de todo el mundo. [Who could argue with that?] Los critico especializados dedican paginas completas para commentar el 'nacimiento' de las nuevas composiciones de los integrantes del grup, los que mezclando musica religiosa, con country y rock pesado han creado el 'country rock pesado' precisamenta. [Precisamente!!]

"Su musica es del las que trasciende. Temas como 'Rag Mama Rad', 'La Noche que enganaron a la Veija Dixie' y 'Alla en Arroyo Torcido' no pueden y de po si no quedan en la montana de discos sin elogio.

"Cada intervencion de The Band en el complejo mundo disquero es afortunada, no por suire, sino por la larga secuela de trabajo que de anos atras vienen arrastrando, hasta convertirla en gratas experiencias y profesionalismo musical del presente."

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Michael Moore or Less

Peter, it's been a long time since Van set foot in or around Philadelphia. I envy you.

Maybe you can help me with this one Peter...I short time back HBO was running a show put on by a brilliant satirist who I believe is British. The kicker is he was in drag. This guy was positively brilliant and right on the mark. His commentary was poignant and his historical perspective was amazing. Do you know of whom I speak?

John D., our fine country, with all its wrinkles, is going through the very strangest time in its history....and there have been some strange times! Our reactions are sometimes difficult to understand for those of us living here, yet alone for the rest of the world's citizens. We are far, far from perfect but, I believe, always attempting to move forward and in the direction of freedom and human rights. Things have become overwhelmingly complicated both here at home and around the globe. I believe in my heart that the vast majority of American leaders hold our nation's best interest at heart. Unfortunately, here like many countries, there are leaders with personal motives that do not always directly reflect the ethos of the populace.

John D., all countries have their problems as you well know. Our problems are regularly played out on the world stage for all to see and hear. It is no easy turn playing the role we play on this planet. Other countries want our prosperity, clamor for our business, our governmental support, our military alliance, our lifestyles and all that is American yet...some of those very same neighbors villify us while headlong in pursuit of that same prosperity. I am saddened to know that the events of the past year have so impacted our relationship with many, many world neighbors, particularly our loyal friends to our north. These are the sad truths regarding the horrific impact of such unimaginable acts and the bitter fruit of the frustrations Americans now carry as a result. We have, since the very beginning, been a country willing to address enormous problems and, somehow, find a solution. Those solutions were not always expeditious nor unanimous in their acceptance, but the willingness to strive for solutions has never waivered. Solving the current problem is akin to clearing fog with rag mop. The frustration we all sense, all of the world's people, will cause emotions to run higher than is typical and bring elevated temperatures to any political discourse.

Putting it simply, we're all in a goddamned fix the likes of which none of us has had to deal with before. I believe we are being tested on many levels and we are learning a great deal in the process. Unfortunately, the process is somewhat slow and extremely painful.

I do hope I won't be taken to task here as, although rather opinionated on a host of subjects, I've tried to avoid the political discussions. I just plain wish it was better for everyone.

Peace

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Posted by:

John W.

Royal Albert Hall? Was that named after Marv Albert?

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Posted by:

Susan

Location: Illinois

Subject: Knowledge of current events

I really have to agree with John W here. I don't consider myself a close observer of the political world, but I do skim 3 newspapers almost every day - the NY Times, Chicago Tribune, C/U News-Gazette. I don't know the name of the Prime Minister of Canada, although I do know he's not a president. I would think that a college student should know the basic form of government in Canada, but not necessarily the names of the office-holders. It's a matter of exposure; when Trudeau was in office he was on the news and in the newspapers all the time, and his name was recognisable to many. The current Prime Minister does not make so many waves, and there's not a lot of news from Canada in the major news sources at present, so his name is not repeated often enough to stick in the brain of the casual observer.

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Posted by:

Subject: John W

I would like for everyone to read John W's last two posts a couple of times. ........................Finsished?............ Now you know why other countries sometimes look at the U.S. as rather provincial in their knowledge of the rest of the world. This of course is a general statement. People like John W are the perfect example of why American kids wear Maple Leafs on their backpacks since the 60's when they travel. John W feels it's INSIGNIFICENT to know ANYTHING outside of the U.S. Well John W you don't have to worry about getting flamed by Canadians. I think there will be many American Guestbook folk OF INTELLIGENCE who will disagree with you who actually got past grade 8 Geography.

Jimmy Seals of Seals & Crofts once told me. "John, don't worry that they don't know what the capitol of your country is here in L.A. ......they haven't got a clue what's going on in the next state!?

John W I think you should go back to your wife beating and dirty jokes. That seems to be your level of expertise.

And if some Canadians seem a little pissed off at the moment. How would you feel if you travelled; for GENERATIONS; back and forth from Canada to the U.S. and back again in perfect harmony with your North American brothers and sisters and then Sept 11th happens (one of the saddest days in history) and now we are looked upon as 2nd class citizens when we try and cross the border. A border that we have been crossing in peace since the war of 1812. Jeb Bush sure knows what it's costing him. Canadians have been spending hundreds of millions in Florida for generations. Oh yeh and by the way....spending my 62 cent dollar down there every chance I get isn't easy: but I do it because I LOVE AMERICA.....ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL. 12 people from across the ocean bomb N.Y. and now all of us peace loving citizens are paying for it. Well it looks like the bad guys won if that's going to be the case. John W you must be awfully young; because I can't see a middle age person talking this dumb. I'll say one thing. we Canadians know what trouble we are in and how stupid many of our leaders are and how crappy our medicare is becoming. It's people like you who can't admit to problems in their own country that are blind. I've seen many intelligent peope here like Pat Brennan and Jtull and Bob Wigo admit some of he negtives. Believe it or not JOhn W. Your not percet. I know this must come as a big shock. However it's not terrible.......just little negatives. Methinks Thou Protests Too Much. Thanks English by the way John. By the way John W.........how many Militial Camps have been destroyed since the Oklahoma Bombings. Oh I forgot....it's OK to bomb yourselves. Yeh I know that's cynical; but I call a spade a spade.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Who wants to be the millionth weakest link?

Thanks Bob- all the new Van shows are a bit too far away (I’ve seen him twice this year). If I hadn’t seen him twice, Coventry would be not a bad run (less than 3 hours). But as he’s done my immediate area twice a year for a while, I reckon he’ll be here before Spring.

John W. – Michael Moore was doing an elaborate set-up, and the British competitor was asked the President of France. Ireland would have been a fairer comparison, (but the hard question would not be the leader’s name, but how do you spell his job title?) BUT that Canada one never fails, and I have to say that if you have a country with shared language, culture and thousands of miles of border, it is reasonable to expect an Ivy League graduate with straight As (his condition on the competitor) to have this much general knowledge. Especially as 80% of the greatest North American band of all time were Canadian.

BTW, he asked the other classic: “Not counting the countries with land borders, i.e. Canada and Mexico, which is the United States’ closest neighbour?” He reckoned no one gets it right (I did).

He missed the other old chestnut, “Which is the oldest North American university?” Answers? All of this was leading up to some statistical quote, which was along the lines of ‘69% of Americans cannot locate either Israel or Iraq on the map … So why …” you’ve guessed the rest.

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Posted by:

jq

Location: san clemente

Subject: norah jones & homage

Norah Jones came through again Saturday night. This time she did Bessie Smith.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

JTullfan, someone brought it up, I didn't. And it was Bush's present behavior--lying about his past transgressions--that I found curious.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: tit for tat

Pat, the point of my last post was not to get into a tit for tat over the transgressions of Bush vs. Clinton. Rather, I think we are all tired of it, except for the Pikester, who defends Clinton to the end and then uses the same tactics he denounces to attack Bush, which reeks of grade-school childishness.If Bush used coke 30 years ago I really don't care. If Clinton smoked dope 30 years ago I really don't care. It is present behavior I have always been more concerned about, and Bush, until you can show me otherwise, has been clean and sober for years, whereas Clinton claimed to one thing, and then got caught with his pants down, (literally), and had the nerve to wag his finger at the public and lie under oath about it. On the inhaling issue, he should have just done as Bush has, and shut up about it. At least that imbecility of "I didn't inhale" wouldn't have been uttered.

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Posted by:

John W.

Before I get flamed by my Canadian GB friends, let me apologize if my last post might be offensive. Canada of course is a great and beautiful country. I just get annoyed at the information some people use to show American's ignorance. Like "85% of Americans don't know the capitol of Denmark" or who is the Prime Minister of Canada. Seems like relatively insignificant information. What scares me is how few of us know the roles of the branches of government, who was the President during the Civil War, what country opposed us in the Revolutionary War. There are plenty of important things Americans don't know, Michael Moore doesn't need to criticize our lack of knowlege of insignificant trivia.

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Posted by:

John W.

It's stupid to try to make the average American look stupid just because they don't know who the President of Canada is, or that it's actually not a President at all. Because this is NOT IMPORTANT to us. Canada has about one tenth the population and one hundreth the economic and military power of the U.S. so why pick on us as if we need to know who their leader is? By the way -- Cretien -- is doing a lot to make sure Canada will be viewed, like Germany, as a FORMER U.S. ally.

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Posted by:

rollie

Web: My link

Subject: Fox News Chief Doubled As Bush advisor

I may be paranoid, but this doesn't help.

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PART 1

Communications

You know...I work in a radio station where we are supposed to communicate. There is more trouble in the halls and more people pissed off; because none of us communicate with each other. It's one of the oldest jokes in the business and sadly true. Therefore hard to do in the context of the written word in a guestbook. As rollie might say..... the written page is cold. I agree. I think the days of writing personal e-mails and not "putting it out there in the guestbook" should return when two people want to go at it for whatever reason.

PART 2

Generational Gap

I've made no bones about the fact that I am 55 years old and therefore come from a certain place in time. When I started in the business and there was a problem with two people......you sat down with them and talked it out. At some point you "made up" or agreed to disagree. It was so civalized. I now find myself getting blindsided in this new way of doing things. I will from time to time get called into the boss's office and I hear, "how come you said blah blah to blah blah." I, surprisingly enough am stunned every time. What is it about people younger that I am now just can't wait to run down to the boss's office and gossip. I often wonder what's in it for them. Are they trying to get you fired? Are they trying to show loyalty to the boss? Are they trying to "up" themselves in the organization? It's quite beyond me. In my day if we had a snitch or a weasel in the place there would be a group discussion with that individual. Getting older and the times they are a changin' ain't what it used to be :-)

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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: Deep Southwest Pa.

Subject: A little more respect

Southern trees bare a strange fruit
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root
Black body swinging in the summer breeze
Strang fruit hanging from the Poplar trees

Pastoral scenes of the gallant south
The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth
The scent of magnolias sweet and fresh
The sudden smell of burning flesh

Here is a fruit for the crows to pluck
For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck
For the sun to rot, for the trees to drop
Here is strange and bitter crop

Billy Holiday first sang this song in early 1939 at an integrated nightspot in New York City called The Cafe Society. The place was dead with silence afterwards till one lone person started to nervously applaud. The audience then followed his lead. The song became Billy's signature song. The song could travel but only to selected places. When Lady Day opened her mouth to sing it she never knew what violent reaction it would incite or what waited for her just outside the club or back at her hotel room. Many people think that Strange Fruit may have, in it's own small way excelerated Billy's decline. A song that forced a nation to confront it's darkest impulses and maligned an entire portion of the country certainly didn't make her any friends in high places who may have cut her some slack when she began to slip into substance abuse and scraps with the law. William Dufty, the man who co-write her biography was convinced that Billy had short-changed the writer because the song had brought her so much grief, even leading her at one point to be hauled in by red-baiting federal investigators. Billy often told reporters that she had co-written the song or had had the song written for her. Actually the song had been written by a Jewish schooteacher from New York City named Abel Meeropol years before Billy ever heard it. Meeropol is more widely known nowadays for adopting the orphaned sons of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg following their execution than for his thousands of poems and songs written under his pen name of Lewis Allan. He spent half a lifetime, from the moment the song became famous trying to convince the world that "Strange Fruit" was his creation alone. He failed. Billy sang the song with such utter conviction that no one could even begin to entertain the thought that she herself had not written or co-written it. The song followed her like a phantom. Ahmet Ertegan called the song "A Declaration of War ... The Beginning of the Civil Rights Movement" Billy sang the song 16 years before Miss. Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on that Alabama bus. Billy sang the song for two decades, thru her good years, if there were any and thru her bad years laden with substance abuses and jail terms, When her voice was at it's best and when it was so painfully sad that people turned their eyes away when she walked on a stage. Ralph J. Gleason once said that he saw the song as a metaphor for Billy's entire life. "She was really only happy when she sang" he wrote "The rest of the time she was a sort of living lyric to "Strange Fruit", hanging not on a Poplar tree, but on the limbs of life itself."

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Posted by:

Rod

Location: NZ

Subject: Rick's voice

Hello all, I haven't posted here for a while - mainly because I haven't had time. Dtoll listening to The Band though. I recently bought some new stereo speakers and can't believe how good some of those reissues sound - I'm hearing things I never heard before!

Anyway, on Rick's voice - my favourite recordings of his are from the '76 period. His singing on TLW, his solo LP and even Islands are great. My biggest critism of his vocals is that sometimes he would try things that he couldn't really pull off - but around this period he is very restrained and sounds the better for it. Levon will , for me, always be the sound of The Band.

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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Pat B

It's funny Pat, how the tone of an internet conversation can be misconstrued via e-mails or posts in the GB. I think that has also been discussed in here,how things can be misinterpreted when read, rather than heard.I know I've been on both ends of the stick as have many others in here."Communication is the only way......start sayin what you mean to say!"----- Futureman

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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

PV: Thanks for your report. I should say; if Moore made tasteless fun of Laura Bush being involved in a fatal car accident; I don't find it acceptable in any way.

Your contention, however, that such mean spiritedness turned on Hillary Clinton would be treated as a big deal is laughable. She has not only been cruely joked about endlessly, but also harrassed in the courts by the utterly vile, utterly ethics free scum our corperate media now refer to as "conservatives."

As for Moore, I like him sometimes, sometimes not. Sometimes his humor is funny, which is more than you can say for 90% of current comedy. And I will say, unlike a pile of cowardly garbage like Limbaugh, he does make facistic rants and then claim later he "kidding".

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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Root Canal...Japanese style

not for the faint of heart

You can never truly experience the joys of root canal unless you get it done in Japan. I've had that pleasure, not once but twice. The first time the dentist DIDN'T freeze my mouth (apparently you have to ASK for it to be done) when I screamed in pain, then he decided to use the stuff. unfortunately the usual dosage for your average japanese citizen does not have the desired effect on a foreigner (the same applies to medicine. As an aside I was told that if the package says "take two pills" then as aa forienger I should take 3 or 4 for the medicine to work. Something about different body mass and other stuff like that) So when Doctor Mengele started working again a shot of electricity went up and down my spine (fortunately it wasn't as intense as it was when my mouth wasn't injected. My eyes were closed both times and I could see the "colour" of my pain...a bolt of yellow light. As another aside...the colour of pain...years ago when I damaged the ligaments in my right knee while playing The Beautiful Game a.k.a soccer/footy, as I lay on the ground writhing in pain with several colleagues and students {I was teaching at a JR High at the time} standing around me laughing...that annoying nervous laugh Japanese tend to do in these sort of situations...I could see 4 orange stars set against a field of navy blue. It would have been a pretty scene if I hadn't been in so much agony!). So the dentist had to give me an extra injection. After that I was fine.

the 2nd time I had root canal done, with a differnet dentist, I told him about my previous adventure. As a precaution he injected my mouth 4 times. Didn't feel a thing. unfortunately for the rest of the day my mouth was numb and when I tried to speak it came out like one of those characters from the Fat Albert cartoons "HEYBA MANBA". I was slobbering all over the place!!

So you people back in North America and parts of Western Europe have got it made when it comes to dental care!!

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I recall trading emails with a regular here about some subject of interest. Things were going along in typical inet fashion when the regular accused me of lying over the entire course of the transaction in an effort to set the person up. I was also accused of relating this supposed setup with others of my supposed ilk. I was stunned, not "hurt" as that concept is being tossed around, but stunned. I had been nothing but courteous and encouraging in the transactions, and I really had no idea where the person got the notion that I had turned into Machiavelli. It was something of a minor lesson, and I'm reminded of it today.

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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Bob's Book & "Strange Fruit"

Apparently the first volume of Dylan's autobiography, "Chronicles," has now been postponed AGAIN--this time until March of 2003. I guess Bob is having trouble remembering.

"...see the man with the strange fruit, just standing up there to give a toot..."

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Posted by:

Lils Daughter

Location: crazyville

Subject: Billie Holiday

Hi everyone, I would like to thank all of you for helping me with the Billie Holiday information. And if anyone else has any more information on her, just post it and ill find it in here...haha Yes Yes I will put it in here after i get the report done..so all of you can read it...and give me an opinion on how you think it is! Well im gonna read all the information you guys have sent me! Thanks again!

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Posted by:

paulgodfrey

Location: C A N A D A

Subject: last waltz

Hi Lil et al,

Yes Julia and I were at the Last Waltz at the invite of Levon. We arrived in SF at about 5pm. Off to the hotel and up to Levon's room. Wow, lots of folks there. Levon introduced us to a nice man named Don who would see we got to the show and stay with us throughout. He even lent me US money so I could buy two Last Waltz t-shirts. No luck with my CDN dollars.

BTW we got to see John D. and Ronnie H in their room before the show. Felt great to see folks from back home.

Back stage there were 5 empty Gold picture frames hanging on the wall with the name of each of the boys at the bottom. Food...you ain't seen food til you have been there.

Caught a quick glimps of Gov Brown and Linda Ronstadt. To our seats with Don and my the air we breathed in was nothing less than purple haze. The show you have seen on tape....after the show it was back to the hotel and a party in the basement. You had to have the Yellow badge with black letters that said: "the last waltz" to get in the party. Truly amazing. Notable is the fact there was no booze. Just soft drinks, coffee etc. Incidently that nice man Levon had introduced us to turned out to be Don Tyson of Tyson Chicken of Arkansas...Europe, the World.

Next morning Julia and I had to make sure Ronnie got on the plane with us because the Hawks were playing Canada's Grey Cup dance at the Royal York in Toronto and I was the M.C. Got to Dance with Mrs. Hawkins (Wanda) that night. A very gracious lady. Ronnie slept all the way back on the plane and I read all the newspaper reviews we could find on the plane. It was an American Airline flight and I thought the wings would fall off. Made it back safe and sound and have memories of the greatest concert I have ever seen.

shineonpaulg

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Posted by:

Amanda

Lil: You didn't do a damn thing wrong by questioning anything. Don't let it cloud your day.

What Brown Eyed Girl should have written was that the GB has hurt many people. The actual website and all the wonderful information hasn't done anything but keep the spirit of The Band alive. If you haven't been hurt by something posted on the GB...whether it was a personal attack or an attack against a Band member or an issue close to your heart...then you probably haven't laid your soul on the line or you just don't have a soul. If anyone here thinks that Robertsonians are any less fanatical than Levonistas...well...frankly...that's just BULLSHIT. Why do some of you get such pleasure in pitting everyone against each other? Don't think Brown Eyed Girl is innocent of being nasty. You may not have been the target of her subtle jabs,mean notes in the chatroom or her "Lurker" or "Bumble Bee" posts (God knows what other pseudonyms) or her behind the scenes email frenzies AND some of you may have been a target and just don't know it. Brown Eyed Girl accomplished exactly what she wanted to do...glorify Robbie, diminish the importance of Jan's site and then play the victim role...which, BTW, is typical narcissist bordering on pathological behavior. Wouldn't it just have been ENOUGH to glorify Robbie and how big a thrill it was to meet him? Wouldn't most of us, including me, the Levonista from hell, have understood those feelings? I never judge anyone in public, but sometimes it is just pure justice to call someone's bluff. You people can flame me or call me names or whatever you like. I will never let myself be blinded by hurtful people, to the truth. Your truth is false, it is an image.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

What about Neil Diamond? When is Neil Diamond coming back?

Nice post John D.

BWNWITenn, my bluegrass friend - nobodys KILLING B.E.G. Some folks just want to know what she meant by she said. If she decides to split and let us argue about it, well that's her choice and we ought to move on - no? If she wanted to go out with a bang, and fuffle a few feathers, she suceeded......Wonderful, done, B.F.D., let's move on.

Don't you just love the accordian, and mandolin interplay by Garth and Levon on "When I Paint My Masterpeice"? I do.

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Subject: Fun with quotes!

You: "This is a website, and we learn from reading the thoughts of others and asking questions. I hardly think a question constitutes leading someone to the slaughter. Stupid me. And all this time I thought it was ok to ask someone a question about something they posted in here. Guess not, hm?"

You: "It's certain people in here who hurt people...people who post for their own twisted agendas without giving any consideration to the feelings of others. BWNoclueIT: I do thank you though for your wonderful example of one of those "twisted agenda.""

Me: "And as for what my agenda might be, other than expressing my opinion, I don't know. And why that is "twisted," other than because it's different from yours, I anxiously wait to find out."

You: "End of discussion."

You: "Funny though.. silence speaks volumes sometimes."

You: "So I guess what I want to know is .. why the double talk?"

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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: "The Simpsons," Zappa, Religion & The Band

I didn't discover "The Simpsons" until right after Frank Zappa died and I heard the creator of the animated series--Matt Groening--quoted as saying that "Frank Zappa was my Elvis."

I'm now a big fan of the series and own the first two seasons on DVD and some books about the show. The latest one I got is called "The Gospel According to the Simpsons: the Spiritual Life of the World's Most Animated Family."

I also boought a copy of Rolling Stone magazine for the first time in years last week because there was a cover story about the Simpsons and all the Rock'n'Roll guests on the show over the years. I seem to recall some reference to The Band on one show, but I may be confusing it with MST3K.

Speaking of religion, I saw a great bumper sticker this week: "God Hates Your Religion."

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: John D's post

Well said, John! Brown Eyed-Girl is one of the most pleasant and enthusiastic posters on this GB (as well as sharing impeccable taste in music with myself) and i always enjoy her posts, And great words about Lil too! Hope your dentist has the posters on the ceiling that mine has. I'm not too fond of 'Desiderata' but during root canal work it's a reasonable ceiling read. The hygienist has a kind of Jefferson Airplane light show projected onto the ceiling, but not the music to go with it. Still I appreciate the effort and imagine myself at a 1970 Curved Air concert (a lovely violinist / singer to recall).

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: RONNIE HAWKINS QUOTE OF THE DAY

"LET'S GET DRUNK AND BE SOMEBODY"

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: TV

Kalervo- OK, BBC documentaries tend to beat the National Geographic Channel because (a) we have David Attenborough (B) we have David Attenborough and (C) we have David Attenborough. But putting David aside for a moment (but we have Michael Palin too) , there is a dreadful tendency in the last couple of years to have endless historical re-enactments (cavemen, Spartans, slaves on the pyramids) in BBC documentaries which is simply naff. Frasier and Friends are beautifully acted and scripted. Having worked with both British and American actors – I have to say Americans work harder, take less for granted and will be discussing the scene (even on my paltry English teaching materials) right up until the camera rolls. The British will be discussing the crossword in “The Guardian” because they consider it poor taste to look too keen. Honestly, I’d rather work with Americans, However, considering that Edward Norton was on the American stuff I did, I might be setting ridiculously high standards under Ed’s influence! But if you’re the writer, Americans ask you lots of “Why?” questions whch is both gratifying and interesting (I recognize that it’s possibly insincere too). The British do the script, often brilliantly, but I don’t see the same exploration of text or role. Different methods of drama teaching.

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: HE SAID THAT SHE SAID THAT SHE SAID THAT HE SAID (HUH?)

This is in response to those to say things were not said that were said that......Anyway here's a quote from BEG.

"Wow again! The Hawk doesn't let his warm feelings for Levon cloud his feelings for Robbie......I respect Ronnie even more now.....He was there to be with Robbie.....his friend.......I told him that I enjoyed the Weber brothers from the latest Hawks.....I saw them perform at the Hawk Tribute and with Jeff Healey and Garth Hudson.....I told Ronnie that they reminded me of Rick and Robbie and he agreed....When I mentioned The Band site.....He dismissed it....He said that he doesn't even look at it.....It's understandable....This site has hurt many many people....."

People may agree or disagree with BEG's comment and I made it a point a long time ago to try and not crawl into othere people's heads. However after reading that comment I would have to agree....NOT .....I REPEAT NOT in relation to what Ronnie said however; but in general. The severity of the word "hurt" depends on the individual and how sensitive they may be. I will admit to being "hurt a few times over the years from comments made either directly to me or about me." I have even left the old guestbook a few times. I then realized that this is cyberspace and if I can't understand my neighbor down the street......how can I possibly figure out people from around the world if they have some sort of twisted angenda. I don't pay much attention any more to negative comments. Got too many problems of my own. Again I don't pretend to know what BEG meant; but from my understanding of what "being hurt" means in this guestbook I do know what she means. I just don't let it bother me anymore. When that happens......you can't get hurt.

I'M ON A ROLL NOW. For those to attack Diamond Lil from time to time....you ought to walk a mile in her shoes for a day. A (widow) single mother who's up at 4 a.m. each day putting food on the table for three adorable kids. "Yeh even you big Sean." Putting one through college. A woman who shares a passion for The Band. A woman who was lucky enough to have a close friendship with Rick Danko. A woman who has written me when I have been at my lowest. A woman who doesn't fabricate things that she has read in the guestbook. Along with one or two others what started out as a pen pal deal....brought her and her kids together with my wife and I and she's the real thing. All's we need now is Serge to kick it off on the downbeat.

Anyway.....I'm having root canal in the morning! Geeeeeeeeeesh! I'll leave it at that. Not pontificating here....just seeing it as I see it.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Crabgrass's Post

Crabgrass: All I have to add is that the only worthwhile religous 'rule' is to 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'. The rest, as far as I am concerned, is for fanatics and zealots. True spiritual experiences cannot be planned; they come and go, and trying to distill such a thing into books of rules is futile and cheapens experiences that are best kept personal between individuals and their higher being, however they may conceptualize him/her.

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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Comparative Religion

PLEASE SCROLL ON BY IF NOT INTERESTED. THANKS!!

Now, for the rest of you: During recent research into religious matters it suddenly dawned on me that Muslim Laws concerning just punishment for women adulterers may have been influenced by The Bible - Yikes!!

Deuteronomy 22:13-21: "If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and then spurns her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings an evil name upon her, saying, 'I took this woman, and when I came near her, I did not find in her the tokens of virginity,' then the father of the young woman and her mother shall take and bring out the tokens of her virginity to the elders of the city in the gate; and the father of the young woman shall say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter to this man to wife, and he spurns her; and lo, he has made shameful charges against her, saying, 'I did not find in your daughter the tokens of virginity,' And yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity,' And they shall spread the garment before the elders of the city. Then the elders of that city shall take the man and whip him; and they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver, and give them to the father of the young woman, became he has brought an evil name upon a virgin of Israel; and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.

But if the thing is true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has wrought folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father's house; so you shall purge the evil from the midst of you."

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: NITWITenssee

Short and to the point Tennessee ...
Your Billie Holiday expose'...

I can't wait to read your take on ...
Richard Manuels life ...

In the words of Kurt Vonnegut Jr. ...
... Go figure ...

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: BWNWITennessee

I think you're more like a sheep in wolf's clothing. And if you're unable to appreciate Billy Holiday then you're a Souless Sheep In Wolf's Clothing.

Sorry for the mispellings and typo's in my post early this morning. I just typed my heart and didn't looked back.

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Thanks everyone for the Bille Holiday info. My daughter (who is 12) said "wow!" when she saw it all. She said she'll let you all know how she does on her report. Thanks again.

BWNWIT: I have no interest in disputing this with you. It didn't call for a reply from you in the first place. I posted my apology to the party I was talking to, although I still feel the question was justified since the comment was made in her post. End of discussion.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Dropping in

My wife's big 30 is this tuesday so I took her to Disney World this past week. C-O-L-D down there but it was nice to travel with my wife instead of a laptop. So many threads to catch up with, but not enough time, so I'll just start again tomorrow. See y'all then! PS, and yes, BWNWIT: I like your suggestion from last Wed. There was even more tacky lawn ornaments installed when we got back!

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Subject: A wolf in sheep's clothing

I'm sure that BEG is enjoying the heck out of sitting in the rafters and watching her own funeral, so to speak.

I'm sorry if it's not politically correct, but a large portion of those people (and I don't know who "those people" are - Muslims, religious fanatics, middle-easterners, third-world citizens) are friggin' nuts. No, not all of 'em are, probably not even most, but an awful lot are. As bad as the Christians are in this country, even they don't lead mass murders when someone says something against their religion. And the educated, first-world citizens know that these people are fanatic nut cases, but don't do anything about it out of respect for the freedom of beliefs. Hmm - kind of like the way us Robertsonians feel about Levonistas!

The next exciting result of these reality TV shows is going to be when one of the contestants is accidentally killed. Mark my words, it's just a matter of time. And then the news shows on the same network are all going to run specials talking about, in wonderfully feigned wide-eyed shock and disgust, "Reality TV: Has it gone too far?" As if we couldn't all see it coming. Actually, wasn't there a movie somewhat recently that had a TV show where the contestant was willingly murdered? They found some down-and-out person and promised his family like $5 million if he would go on the reality TV show and be killed. The sad thing is, it's not too far-fetched anymore.

I know that Billie Holiday died a fat, bloated heroin addict who had completely lost her voice. Take from that what you will.

And, uh, actually I was referring to Robbie Robertson. I am sure that if I ever spoke with, met, e-mailed, or yes, had a clue as to who you are, I would not have a problem telling you the time. And while it's true that responding to other people's posts is the fabric upon which the GB is built, just completely making something up and then vociferously asking somebody why they said it is a bit, um, unique. And as for what my agenda might be, other than expressing my opinion, I don't know. And why that is "twisted," other than because it's different from yours, I anxiously wait to find out.

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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland
Web: My link

Subject: Plastic

Peter V. : If Frasier and Friends are well written and so on, they are real waste of talent, in my opinion. Plastic people trying to be funny and clever. You are British right?, from Britain come the best detective series, outside Finland and Sweden. Real people in real situations. And BBC documents are the best in the world. Why don' t you praise them?

Oh yes I forgot Simpsons, maybe the only American TV-series without plastic.

Brian Sz: People are so often mentally lazy...TV- and media commercialism is the shameless shark ready to seduce your lower instincts. I agree that it is a global thing..American media is just the undisputed champion in this...

But I must emphasize, that I am a tireless defender what is good in USA....Like the composer of one of the most beautiful Christmas music ever made, Alfred Burt (For instance Caroling, Caroling and Some Children See Him). It is my dream to find some day a whole album of his music.

Brown Eyed Girl, I really hope that you' ll come back. Don' t let those posts hurt you...

Ilkka: Siunauksellista Adventtia! Tulimme juuri ihanasta joulukonsertista (Töölön kirkko). Pepe Willberg ja Maarit olivat sielukkaita ja todellisia...

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Posted by:

Subject: Billie Holiday

I saw a book awhile back called Strange Fruit: Billie Holiday. The book was an essay on the song "Strange Fruit", which was about the lynching of a southern black man.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Lil's Daughter = There was a movie done, probably in the 70's called "Lady Sings The Blues" (I think) that was about Billie Holiday. Diana Ross played the lead. Check that out maybe.

P.S. I dont know your age, so ask Mom if it's OK to watch first:-)

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Posted by:

Anders Ohlsson

Location: Sweden
Web: My link

Subject: Epiphany

I just saw a documentary on Swedish television about 'The Band'. Darn, I say, darn! It compleately blew me away. They rock! Now I'm on a quest to get all of thier albums. This site also rocks. All the info that I'll ever need seems to be right here. Thanks a lot!

/Anders

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Posted by:

Jon

Location: Missouri
Web: My link

Subject: Amanda and Grits, I mean Gritz

www.gritz.net is what you might be looking for. As far as I know, you have to subscribe to the mag. The editor has been around a long time promoting "southern rock" and other types of music as well. Interesting website.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Nigeria, Michael Moore, US TV

The most publicized woman who was sentenced to death by an Islamic court in Nigeria by stoning, was actually brutally raped by a local dignitary, became pregnant, told the tale and got sentenced to death by stoning for revealing it. Newspaper reports say that our Nigerian e-mail-writers aren’t desperate people but high-rolling criminals, probably based in London or Amsterdam, and linked to extortion and murder of those dumb enough to respond.

Back from seeing Michael Moore last night. Interesting, and he ran over nearly an hour. He gets off a little too much on his own oratory to be strictly healthy for himself, but the many, many links between Dubya and the Bin Laden family were truly astonishing. I knew only about half of them. I was also astonished when he asked how many of us had killed fewer people than Laura Bush – as he said, had there been anything remotely like that on Hilary there would have been just a tad more fuss and publicity. A few hours of Michael Moore and we might all be signing up for the BP Party (Ben Pike). Some of it is very funny. Some over the top. Some very revealing. Some falls flat. In the middle of his diatribe on Palestine, a couple of people near us, got up and walked out, very loudly because of the temporary bleachers inside the Roundhouse. He stopped, went super-serious, and said ‘Let them go … Let them go in peace – this happens every night, some people cannot take this.’ The seriousness was rather spoiled when the same people returned smiling enthusiastically at the stage three minutes later, having simply gone out for a pee. He did his quiz show, where he selects an American from the audience- rejecting anyone who isn’t an Ivy League graduate with straight A’s, then tries to reveal appalling geographical ignorance. He claims that the killer question ‘Who is the President of Canada?’ has not been answered by anyone in 40 shows- and no one has even said ‘Canada doesn’t have a president, let alone known the name.

Crabbie – a sign in The Roundhouse commemorates it as a venue where ‘Jimi Hendrix, Cream and The Doors’ played. How did you get that one organized?

American TV – is widespread because programmes like “The Sopranos”, “24”, “Friends”. “Frasier” and “The Simpsons” are extremely well-written, well-made and well acted and are quite simply far better than the local opposition. The same was true in the days of Wagon Train and Rawhide, and stayed true in the world soap “Dallas” and “LA Law” and “NYPD”. The appeal of crap-TV like Oprah et al is however puzzling. Johnny Carson bombed in the UK because he was not very good, too plastic and had nothing to offer that was better than the local opposition. There is a major culture gap between British and US practice on TV. We have either a single writer, or a duo of writers and one director does the whole series. In the US, it’s a team production and a new director rolls in every week. The result I think is that US TV is more consistently good, but when British TV hits the nerve it is actually better because you have more of an individual talent, and you get more way-out stuff like Fawlty Towers, early Red Dwarf, Father Ted, Ab-Fab. Having written both ways, I couldn’t live with the US way myself (all those competitive story conferences), but see its effectiveness. Less rewarding for the writer though. On which, if you like British comedy series watch out for “The Office” which is currently the way best thing on British TV (maybe ‘only good thing’). It is made exactly as if it’s a ‘fly-on-the-wall’ documentary.

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Posted by:

Location: Chicago

Subject: TV

Brien: Without wanting to sound too harsh, I'd like to give you feedback on American TV since you asked for it. IMO there's way too many American TV programs on show here in Australia, but of course market forces are influenced by the masses not by individuals. Perhaps as I've got older I've become fussy with what I do in my spare time, but I'd rather have my toenails and fingernails pulled out one by one than be forced to watch any of it today. Don't be offended, the same goes for me for most of Australian TV as well.

The easy option to deal with boring programs, as well as irrelevant or nasty GB entries, is to hit the button that makes them go away. If only the rest of life's hassles could be dealt with so easily:

Husbands family - delete!

Mortgage - delete!

Mondays mornings - delete!

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Gritz

Did anyone get the Fall issue of Gritz w/ the Levon interview (innerview)? No one sells the mag here. Please share.

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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Religious News!!

PLEASE SCROLL ON BY IF NOT INTERESTED. (APOLOGIES FOR ANY MUSCLE STRAIN CAUSED BY USE OF INDEX FINGER.)

KADUNA, Nigeria (CNN) -- Packing their bags and paying hotel bills, Miss World contestants prepared to fly to London after the rioting in Nigeria that left 100 people dead and 500 injured. Meanwhile some reports said that the violence had flared again on Saturday. Contest spokeswoman Stella Din said at first that the 80 contestants would arrive at London's Heathrow airport at about 9.30 p.m. British time on Saturday night after leaving Abuja at 5 p.m. British time. But later she said: "It's now looking more like a midnight take-off." The decision was taken on Friday to move the contest to London where it will be held on December 7, the same date it had been planned in Nigeria. This followed the fighting which began in the northern city of Kaduna before spreading to Abuja, the intended venue for this year's pageant. The bloodshed was sparked by an "offending" article published in a national newspaper last week, which backed the contest and claimed that had the prophet Muhammad been alive he would have wanted to marry one of the beauty queens.

Trouble flared when Muslims gathered after prayers outside the national mosque in the capital before marching through the city chanting "Allahu Akhbar (God is Great)," burning cars, churches and houses. They also torched the newspaper's offices.

Police firing tear gas restored calm in Abuja within hours. But the melee in Kaduna, a religiously mixed city of several million people, continued in defiance of a round-the-clock police curfew. According to Red Cross officials, at least 100 people were killed and more than 500 were injured in the riots. Government authorities would only say "scores" are dead. Throughout the violence, the contestants remained under Nigerian police and army guard in the Nicon Hilton in Abuja, the nation's most luxurious hotel. Din said the girls were feeling "really miserable." "They were never in any danger but there are times you have to step back and take steps. We are very sorry it has come to this," Din said. At least one beauty queen, Miss Canada Lynsey Bennet, fled her hotel room on Friday evening before organisers cancelled the pageant, Din said. Bennet was believed to have flown Saturday morning to London, Western diplomats said on condition of anonymity. Miss Puerto Rico, Casandra Polo Berrios, told The Associated Press she was "sad to be leaving" Nigeria. She said she had not been aware of the fighting until her mother called on Friday to make sure she was safe. "Most of the girls are very sad, nervous and preoccupied with these problems," she said. "Myself, personally, I managed to maintain my calm." T'Shura Akeesha Ambrose, Miss Bahamas, said her mother had also called Friday to offer "prayers for all of our safety." "Personally, I am very happy to be moving to London," said Ambrose, who attends law school there.n

At least five contestants earlier failed to show up, four of whom said they were boycotting because of sentences passed by Nigerian Islamic courts sentencing Muslim women to death by stoning for having sex outside marriage.

On Saturday the newspaper that published the article that sparked the violence said Nigeria's secret police had arrested its editor.

ThisDay, which has apologised for the article, said the editor of its Saturday edition, Simon Kolawole, was arrested on Friday and had not been seen since. "Yesterday (Friday), the editor of ThisDay, The Saturday Newspaper, Mr Simon Kolawole, was arrested by men of the State Security Service in Abuja," the paper said.

The article had been seen as insulting to Muslims, particularly as it was published during the holy month of Ramadan.

Despite front-page apologies early in the week, Muslims rioted. Christians then retaliated against Muslim

The newspaper's offices in Kaduna were burned down and there were reports of churches and mosques being torched. The newspaper's "apology to all Muslims" was posted on its Web site on Friday. "With all sense of responsibility, sensitivity and respect for all Muslims, the staff, management, editors and board of ThisDay Newspapers apologise for the great editorial error in last Saturday's edition on Miss World Beauty Pageant. "We are sorry that the portrayal of the Holy Prophet Mohammed in a commentary written by one of our staff was not only unjustified, but utterly provocative," the apology said. The Miss World contest, now in its 53rd year, is watched on television by more than two billion viewers worldwide, according to the pageant's Web site. The current Miss World is Agbani Darego, of Nigeria.

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Posted by:

norbert

Location: the netherlands

Subject: brown eyes

you've met Robbie.....that's what you always wanted.......you did it!
......from all, you disserve his respect the most .........always stood up for him, often alone........took the blows .......that showed a lot of courage ......

"people get hurt here".......was enough to spoil her greatest moment.

lets give her a tender embrace......she is sensitive......just ike us......

for the America-Europe threat......we're all brothers and sisters on this little planet......let's grow up! (me included)

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Posted by:

Caledonia

I just want to thank everyone who answered the "GB Interview" questions! It was a lot of fun reading your responses. I'm short on time again, so I can't respond to everyone the way I would like to (I wish I had my own computer!).

There is a brief "hidden track" on the Uncut CD compiled by Keith Richards. I have to admit I can't identify the music. Does anyone know what it is?

Has anyone noticed the similarity between the lyrics to the new George Harrison song "Stuck Inside A Cloud"("talking to myself, crying out loud ... stuck inside a cloud") and The Band's "Thinking Out Loud" ("I was thinking out loud, talking to myself, I was up on a cloud")?

I liked the following Keith Richards quote from his recent interview w/Uncut magazine:

Q: "What was it about Muddy Waters, and that generation of bluesmen, that fascinated you so much?"

KR: "I don't know. It just struck the chord in here somewhere. You heard it and all the breath left your body and you were ... anything to be able to approach that. Wherever he is, I wanna be, you know? That solidness, that hint of knowing far more than you ought to know, and power. Just such maleness, y'know. You felt, 'That's a man.' And he lived up to it personally. He was such a very gentle guy, and that's a real man. It's very strange in that way, really all those guys had a certain streak of self-assurance, just steadiness about them, about what they know and how they're gonna do it. Nearly all of the blues guys, the old cats that I ever met, were also very humble, no side on 'em. Just straight up."

Some of these lines make me think of The Band ...

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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj

Subject: TV

Kalervo: Just who makes your country watch American programs? Why are they piped in if (big jump here) if no one in your country wants to watch it. Sometimes I wonder who is doing the Americanizing, us or everyone else who loves to hate but deep down wants to imitate us? Who makes the decisions there as to what to put on TV? Now granted, I have no clue how your TV markets work, are you all cable, dish, Over the air? nada.., And though I agree with many observations you make about Americans, I do take a slight offense to that last remark..., but please no pity parties and no tissues, my feelings aren't hurt;)

Oh oh, one other thing.., why are American shows popular in other countries when clearly some of the humor is written in context of our culture.., for example, The Simpsons, clearly a brilliant show but clearly written using American based cultural happenings.., I can't see a lot of people in other countries "getting it". Another example.., I was told Johnny Carson bombed in the UK when they tried to broadcast it years ago. Folks there couldn't understand why it was so popular here; we knew but it was geared towards us. Looking for interesting observations on this..,

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: NY

Subject: B.E.G.

Y'know - this thing IS taking on a life of it's own. Lil, IMHO you don't need to apologise. It WAS a strong statement she made, and just asking about it is cool. Actually, someone before you posted that the comment by B.E.G. made them ANGRY. That's probably what has her AWOL now.

I'm sure she has read all of these posts, and if she feels the urge, will return. Time will tell. She knows how we feel. Give her time.

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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: all sorts

al edge. iv heard that collymore joke told as true story involving members of slade by noddy holder in his biography.it still cracks me up. tlw screening.thought of you guys in london.im praying a more local screening will be on the cards in the future.perhaps in cardiff or bristol.musicians as actors.an old chestnut but quite relevant with old eminem riding high with his new movie.(anyone seen it yet?) obviously sinatra,kristofferson and our own levon had tremendous success as actors. others such as bowie,sting and dylan, have had bumpier rides though all 3 have had their great moments. bit of trivia coming up.which rock star gave a compelling perfomance as a seriously heavy drug dealer in an excellent early 90's thriller.the performance was made even mory convincing by the fact that he has one line only in the entire film. he asks the goodguy hero undercover cop in a tense scene,' are you a badass'? name the movie too.easy peasy lemon squeezy!

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Posted by:

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: Review of the most important Band albums/Tiny circles

The legendary Swedish rock journalist Lennart "Turkey Scratch" Persson is reviewing the most important Band albums on http://www.svt.se/musikbyran (even My link). Once again he tries to deny the existence of the great Band album "The Road From Turkey Scratch"!!! How long he thinks he can do that...

HYVÄÄ JOULUA KALERVO!

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Posted by:

Lil Again

Subject: typos

Sorry about the typos in that last post, but Jan's gremlins must be drinking on the job again. I can't preview. That last sentence should've read "not as important as it's been made out to be..."

Thanks.

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

If I owe BEG an apology.. then I'm sorry. It was only a question, and I won't lose any sleep over it if it never gets answered. This is a website, and we learn from reading the thoughts of others and asking questions. I hardly think a question constitutes leading someone to the slaughter.

I withdraw the question, because obviously it's a bone of contention for many of you. Frankly, BEG's post was a passionate one, so I just figured she had feelings about it that maybe she's discuss further. A statement of understanding how someone could dismiss this guestbook because of all the people its hurt is a rather strong one. I thought the question was justified, but certainy not worthy of this crazy thread that seems to have evolved out of it.

You know, when using the written word (such as in this forum), it's so easy for someone's intentions to be misconstrued. I'd pretty sure that if I had've asked BEG this question face to face, an intelligent and interesting discussion would've followed. In here though, that obviously isn't the case.

And so.. Brown Eyed Girl.. I apologize. There was no malice intended, I assure you. Just a simple question that I thought would have a simple answer. It's hardly as important as it's been out to be.

Have a good day everyone.

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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj

Subject: BEG

I too hope BEG didn't leave but tell me.., Did we need her to announce her leaving? If she did leave for a while I have more respect for her for saying nothing and just doing it! And who's to blame her.., Here she posted this very excited/ing outing with RR that she had told she was going to do, then writes (what everyone could tell) was a passionate post about the meeting. What happens - one line in the whole post gets taken as a personal attack and the wolves come out. Some were more viscious while others a little more diplomatic.., nonetheless, she probably read the first few negative posts and said.., Frig them, you can't please any one of these as******. A simple interpretation on her part ( to a degree she is right and it was proven on the response) and she was brought out to slaughter (maybe not that bad to the outside observer but she probably was very sensitive to it)

Personally, I hope when and if she does come back, she doesn't even make mention of the whole episode and just picks up where she left ooooooooooofffffffffffff!

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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Suomi
Web: My link

Subject: For a change

Many thanks Brown Eyed Girl for your message! What a exciting experience!

Oh yes this site can hurt... I have received so stupid personal insults that I haven' t experienced it anywhere. And I have always thought that the Band attracts civilized people...

Ilkka: Sometimes you get tired of small circles, even American. Maybe it is because the superficial side of Americanism is flooding everywhere on this globe. For instance I haven' t seen many decent American tv-programs for years. I have really gotten tired of these slick talk- shows like Leno, O' Brien etc...and these Friends and Fraziers, not to talk about some even more alienating programs....

I must emphasize that the music of the Band and Robbie' s was and is the real thing and there is living, creative, spiritual American culture underneath, for instance Native culture...

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: TLW last Thurs

Enjoyed it lots! First time on the big screen for me so I noticed more background stuff and it made it seem fresh again. It seemed to convey the grand scale of the whole thing a lot better. I have to watch it on my small tv usually, there was some serious trouser width occurring on that stage! As Roger mentioned, Neil Diamond made a great intermission and there was much laughter as a mass exodus filed out to the loos. Great to meet some of the guys from the GB, all nice fellas. Jan was very friendly and patient with our questions and made interesting conversation. Following the film we convened to the pub across the road for a few drinks. Jan was making the most of the beer(enjoy the rest of your holiday Jan!) as it's rather expensive in Norway and I think by the end of the evening we finished up on the cognac, this made the journey home seem real quick. A good night

Location: Cleveland Tx

Hank, thanks for joining me in the small "fans of Three Angels" club.

Do you mean no 10th ave. bus went west in NYC? Because to me the song is not set in any specific city.

I like the piece's sense of isolation and objectivity, that give it a calm, cold eye on this typical winter day's events. As if to show us all we have no time to take interest in, or compassion for. This is what the lonely Christmas decorations look down upon.

It's a bit sappy, and no doubt some are put off by the corn of it's faintly moralistic closing lines. But the simplisity of the opening couplets bring home the affecting idea of the song; and make it a Christmas must for me.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: The Material World

Subject: L'Angelo Mysterioso

Someone posted a comment a couple of days ago saying that "George Harrison wouldn't be a hock in a spitoon if he weren't an ex-Beatle." I tried to just blow it off.....

George was a big part of the puzzle that made the Beatles what they were. Did you think he was hopeless without them? Then, just as the band was breaking up, George hit his stride (All Things Must Pass), and he flourished. Have you actually listened to his solo music? Give "Thirty-Three and a Third" a try first, and go from there.

OK - I'm better now.

BTW = George's new CD get's better with every listen.

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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

I hope BEG wasn't scared off too... I love her posts... and I'm a big Robbie fan too...

A while back, a few days ago... I think somebody slammed the Crowmatix as being wimpy... I'll now throw in my 2 cents... I think they are great... Louie's vocals on Don't Wait and Restless Islands are perfect to my ears... nice songs too... Tear of the Clouds is just a beautiful song... my fav from them... I also like A Few Hours and Jackie... nice buildups... Last Train Out has a nice mellow countryish feel (off the new one)... and the Scarlet Begonias cover beats anything I've heard from the Dead... and I luv the Dead too... I also agree with the poster who said they are even better live... and when Garth joins in then look out... If I was gonna recommend a starting CD, I'd say go for JAM!... I like the concept and they execute it beautifully... with nice solos by everyone... I look forward to more good music from them too... was it Levon who was quoted as saying they are seasoned studio sessionists... well, they have a nice feel to me... and I love the accordian and keyboard stuff... especially when two are doing it...

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Posted by:

Last Waltz Rollie

Subject: John D

Yes, Yes! They're all me!

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Posted by:

4 Caribbean Cruises

Location: calif
Web: My link

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out There
Web: My link

Every night after dinner, Harry took off for the local watering hole. He would spend the whole evening there and always arrive home, well inebriated, around midnight each night. He usually had trouble getting his key to fit the keyhole and couldn't get the door open. And, every time this happened, his wife would go to the door and let him in. Then, she would proceed to yell and scream at him for his constant nights out and coming home in a drunken state. But, Harry still continued his nightly routine.

One day, the distraught wife was talking to a friend about her husband's behavior. The friend listened and suggested, "Why don't you treat him a little differently when he comes home? Instead of berating him, why don't you give him some loving words and welcome him home with a kiss? Then, he might change his ways." The wife thought that this might be a good idea.

That night, Harry took off again after dinner. And, at about midnight, he arrived home in his usual condition.

His wife heard him at the door. She quickly opened it and let Harry in. Instead of berating him as she had always done, this time she took his arm and led him into the living room. She sat Harry down in an easy chair, put his feet up on the foot stool, and took his shoes off. Then, she went behind him and started to cuddle him a little. After a short while, she whispered to Harry, "It's pretty late, dear. I think we should go upstairs to bed now, don't you think?"

Harry replied in his inebriated state, "Heck, I guess we might as well. I'll get in trouble when I get home anyway!"

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: NY

Posted by:

John D

Subject: Rollie Shouts Out

Wait just a darn minute Rollie....that was you shouting out just before Ophelia? Weren't you the same guy that shouted out "Judas" at the Dylan/Hawks show on Tour '66? And weren't you the announcer at the Watkins Glen show? And didn't I see you trip and fall while running in the movie A Hard Day's Night? Ah Ha!!!! :-)

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Posted by:

Bones

For those of you interested, Robbie has signed Taryn Manning and her group (which includes her brother) to Dreamworks for their debut recording. The group is called Boomkat. I assume it is some sort of hip-hop group. Taryn is currently starring in the Eminem 8 mile movie and Boomkat has a track on the soundtrack, which is currently #1 in the USA.

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Someone please hit a rimshot and get out the hook!!

Just kidding Al, good stuff.

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Last one - Promise

A bit rude but...

An executive was in quandary. He had to get rid of one of his staff.

He had narrowed it down to one of two people - Debra or Jack. It would be a hard decision to make, as they were both equally qualified and both did excellent work. He finally decided that in the morning whichever one of them was the first to use the water cooler would have to go.

Debra came in the next morning, hugely hung-over after drinking and partying all night.

She went to the cooler to get some water to take some aspirins. Reluctantly the executive approached her and said:

"Debra, I've never done this before, but I have to lay you or Jack off."

Debra looked up wearily and replied, "Would you mind jacking off, only I feel like shit this morning."

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: And talking about strange accents

This one's for Roger particularly, also Pete Viney, Karl and Rich

When Stan Collymore went to the Villa he got sent to a men's outfitters to get some new clothes. Stan decides to opt for the seventies look.

So the bloke says to Stan: Flares?

Stan: ooh ar

Bloke: Penny round collared shirt?

Stan: ooh ar

Bloke: Velvet jacket with big lapels?

Stan: ooh ar

Bloke: Kipper tie?

Stan: ooh ar, two sugars please.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Wish i'd been there …

While you guys were enjoying TLW on the big screen and listening to the erudition of Barney Hoskyns (put me down for the new edition!) I was watching the play in Salisbury, 'The Road' which turned out to be a crock of shite. The first 12 minutes were brilliant- a piss take on The Sopranos opening sequence was projected filmed in Salisbury right outside the theatre, then a girl appeared in her underclothes to iron a dress - nothing to complain about there- then it turned into a series of heavy monologues as so many plays do. Ultimately crap. It was supposed to be gritty Northern stuff about poverty but was written by someone called Justin. I think that says it all. Also "Yorkshire English" was represented by people saying …is you? at the end of every sentence, I spent three years in Yorkshire and never heard anyone ever say "… is you?' I suppose Justin thought it sounded kind of ignorant. So. Next time I'll vote for The Band …

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Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Classic albums - The band

This must be the Christmas Eve for the Swedes who appreciate classic rock albums. The Swedish public service TV channel SVT2 is showing "Classic albums - The Band" tonight. The leading Swedish newspaper "Dagens nyheter" had a photo of The Band on its page, too.

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Bush ...

Good one Al. See if "My link" works to view an amusing picture of "Our Leader" ...

I'll stop when everybody else does

I wasn't "AT" The Last Waltz but my best friends brother was there and he told us all about it. Does that count?

Ouch

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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: The Crowmatix

I'm not sure I like the word wimpy, but the Crowmatix havent been able to capture the tremendous energy of their live shows on CD as of yet. Doesn't mean the wont, they just havent yet. But if you have a chance to go see them Walcott, do it, dont let that CD keep you from going. I just bought tickets to see them for a 2cd time this year at the wonderful BEachland Ballroom in CLeveland, Ohio. A venue that looks nothing like the names sounds but has provided me with The Flatlanders, Alisson Moorer, Guy Clark, Bill Morrisey, Blue Rodeo And Jorma this summer alone.

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Laugh? I nearly did

Far be it from me to interfere in American politics but this made me howl. Perhaps I can interest you in a good belly laugh Tiny?

(We take you now to the Oval Office.)

George: Condi! Nice to see you. What's happening?

Condi: Sir, I have the report here about the new leader of China.

George: Great. Lay it on me.

Condi: Hu is the new leader of China.

George: That's what I want to know.

Condi: That's what I'm telling you.

George: That's what I'm asking you. Who is the new leader of China?

Condi: Yes.

George: I mean the fellow's name.

Condi: Hu.

George: The guy in China.

Condi: Hu.

George: The new leader of China.

Condi: Hu.

George: The bloody Chinaman for chrissakes!

Condi: Hu is leading China.

George: Sheez. Now whaddya' asking me for?

Condi: I'm telling you Hu is leading China.

George: Well, I'm asking you. Who is leading China?

Condi: That's the man's name.

George: That's who's name?

Condi: Yes.

George: Will you or will you not tell me the name of the new leader of China?

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: Yassir? Yassir Arafat is in China? I thought he was in the Middle East.

Condi: That's correct.

George: Then who is in China?

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: Yassir is in China?

Condi: No, sir.

George: Then who is?

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: Yassir?

Condi: No, sir.

George: Look, Condi. I need to know the name of the new leader of China. Get me the Secretary General of the U.N. on the phone.

Condi: Kofi?

George: No, thanks.

Condi: You want Kofi?

George: No.

Condi: You don't want Kofi.

George: No. But now that you mention it, I could use a glass of milk. And then get me the U.N.

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: Not Yassir! The guy at the U.N.

Condi: Kofi?

George: Milk! Will you please make the call?

Condi: And call who?

George: Who is the guy at the U.N?

Condi: Hu is the guy in China.

George: Will you stay out of China?!

Condi: Yes, sir.

George: And stay out of the Middle East! Just get me the guy at the U.N.

Condi: Kofi.

George: All right! With cream and two sugars. Now get on the phone.

(Condi picks up the phone.)

Condi: Rice, here.

George: Rice? Good idea. And a couple of egg rolls, too. Maybe we should send some to the guy in China. And the Middle East. Can you get Chinese food in the Middle East?

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-there
Web: My link

Subject: ?

Can someone please tell me why, when Al Edge posts a perfectly good joke, I chuckle inside. But on the very next post I literally "Laugh-Out-Loud" at Rozlyns comment?

I need to get more sleep

Night all

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: G-I-N-S-A-N-A

Pat, on a more sincere note...I had really pictured Robbie using the Internet as a source of a wide variety of information, just as most of us do. He seems the type that could not resist exploring the possibilities the web presents for business purposes and certainly for personal pursuits. He has long been on record as someone with a wide range of interests and a strong curiosity.

My feeling is the horse has been adequately flogged and pronounced dead but.....I sure hope I don't hear Jimmy Fallon mention the soft, warm glow of sepia tones emanating from Robbie's monitor !!

Now re-post that site you Irish, ivory ticklin' sumbitch and allow everyone to enjoy it.

Peace to you Patrick.

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Posted by:

LW Rollie

Web: My link

Subject: Make your own Bush speech

Pro or anti Bush,you'all love this site! Enjoy!

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Posted by:

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Rollie's Last Waltz

Gosh Rollie, you and your rock star life. I think I'd realised you were there (although you might need to remind Peter V.) What interests me more is HOW you got to be out in the hardware stores with Garth. I was once in a hardware store next to Rolf Harris but I don't think he recognised me. How did/do you know all these wonderful people?

I still don't know many folk in the guest book who were there. John D., Paul G., anyone else?

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Posted by:

Last Waltz Rollie

Location: Winterland(seriously,Driggs ,Idaho, gets snowy around here

Subject: The Last Waltz(and Me)

You know, I'm really getting tired of talking about myself and my escapades at the Last Waltz,but since the subject came up........:)Yes,Roger, I was at the Last Waltz. A guest actually,as were several other GB regulars. You can even hear me hollering right before "Ophelia" if one listens closely. I can see it now,hundreds of GB visitors craning their necks, a la,(or is that Allah) a Merrill Lynch commercial, listening for the warble of the great Rolando! Heady times those.I got to meet the great Jack Wingate,and Ronnie Hawkins who came to visit him at the room we shared.I got to see Scorcese and Bill Graham ,squaring off on the floor of the Winterland ballroom, arguing over God knows what. Wandered around SF with Garth , visiting hardware stores, ya know , the usual stuff that famous rock and rollers do before a big gig.Saw Joni Mitchell at rehearsals(Hubba,Hubba!!!!) as well as Clapton.Listened to Neil Young blowin Oh Canada on a harp the morning after the show. Sat next to Muddy Waters and Pinetop Perkins in the lobby of the Miyako Hotel.I still feel his presence.Listened to Butterfield blowin every body into the next century. If I could only make time stand still..........

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Posted by:

Karl Wallendszus

Location: Oxford, UK

Subject: TLW screening

Roger has done a great job with his report on last night, so there's not a lot for me to add. I too really enjoyed meeting the other GBers and Jan - all very nice people. Roger and I were reflecting on how odd it feels to meet people in the flesh who you only know through words on a screen. It would have been good to meet some of the other regulars as well. Peter Viney and Al Edge: you were both missed.

Although, as Roger says, the print was not the new cleaned-up version, but an old one from 1978 (one of only 5 left in the UK, we were told), it wasn't in bad condition, and was better than the one I saw in July this year. The few jumps and scratches were in any case made up for by the atmosphere of the occasion.

I don't know if this is news or not, but Barney Hoskyns mentioned that a new edition of his book Across the Great Divide is coming out next year, with some new material, primarily an account of an interview he did with Levon.

All in all a hugely enjoyable evening - a big thank you to Josh who organised the whole thing, and to Roger for giving me a lift.

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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: cromatix

I recently purchased Professor Louie and the Cromatix "Over the edge" on ebay. It was not at all what I expected. It was, how shall I put this, wimpy sounding. I don't think there was one cut on this CD that I actually liked. It was just such a boring sounding CD. Well, its gone now. I took it to the used CD store and swapped it.

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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham, UK

Subject: Rollie

No kidding, Rollie was at the Waltz? He should get out more.

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Posted by:

Lil Again

Roger: Thanks for your nice report. I too always thought, considering the huge number of people who post here, that there is such a small number who were actually _at_ The Last Waltz. I know John D was.. and Paul G.. and I think I heard somewhere that Rollie was..... :-) It would be nice to hear from some other folks who were there as well.

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: One of my favorite things about the....

... "Food Channel" is when that big blow-torch comes out and burns that little brown spot on top of the french pudding stuff. I just love it when that happens!

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Humorous vein [cont'd]

Three Scousers[Liverpudlians] and three Mancs [Mancunians - ie from Manchester] are travelling by train to a football match in London.

At the station, the three Mancs each buy a ticket and watch as the three Scousers buy just one ticket between them.

"How are the three of you going to travel on only one ticket?" asks one of the Mancs.

"Watch and learn," answers one of the Scousers. They all board the train.

The Mancs take their respective seats but all three Scousers cram into a toilet and close the door behind them.

Shortly after the train has departed, the conductor arrives to collect the tickets. He knocks on the toilet door and says, "Ticket please." The door opens just a crack and a single arm emerges with a ticket in hand. The conductor takes it and moves on.

This mightily impresses the Mancs, so after the game, they decide to copy the Scousers on the return trip and save some money.

When they get to the station, they buy a single ticket for the return trip...To their astonishment, the Scousers don't buy a ticket at all!!

"How are you going to travel without a ticket?" asks one perplexed Mancunian.

"Watch and learn..." says one Scouser.

When they board the train the three Mancs cram into a toilet and soon after the three Scousers pile into another nearby. The train departs. Shortly afterwards, one of the Scousers leaves the toilet and sneaks across to the toilet where the Mancs are hiding.

He knocks on the door and shouts, "Ticket please..."

Yer've gorra laugh

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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

A quick outline of events yesterday at the Everyman.

Our party (Jan, Karl, Matt/Lifeboy, Mel and Roger) spent too long in the pub and we took our seats just as Barney Hoskyns was finishing his intro. Anyone else out there care to tell us what he said?

The film was an old print but it was great to see it again on the big screen. (I first saw it at the Odeon in Streatham in 1978 in the week it first came out.) There was a good audience/atmosphere and it felt slightly like being at the Waltz itself when the audience cheered and clapped. Well OK, may only 1% like being there but what the hell. Now Rollie's left the GB proxy encounters with the event will have to do.

I hadn't fully appreciated previously the exquisite sequencing of the film. Yes, I'd recognised the irony of the discussion of women on the road preceding Joni singing Coyote and have long been sensitive to the subtle references to impending break-up and dissolution of the brotherhood. However I hadn't realised quite how important the Neil Diamond performance is and how well-timed for that important rush to the gents/bathroom - although others in the GB have noted it previously. There was a spontaneous evacuation of the auditorium the second he came on. Some of us got back before the end of his spot; some, like Jan, took the opportunity to refuel with alcohol. (Actually I'm OK with Neil Diamond; I can take it or leave it, and generally skip past it but I skip Mannish Boy too. Question - where are the folk who were in the on-screen audience now? There's a clip of Bob Dylan sharing a moment with someone in the front row. Is that person a GB member? It struck me that we only have about three regular posters here who were at the Waltz. I was knocked out by that at first but seeing the audience on the screen last night it seems a small number. Are Last Waltzers lurking but not posting?

One notable feature was the significant number of young people in the cinema. Everyone stayed right to the end of the credits which is unusual in British cinemas (although credits back in '78 were a deal shorter and we'll go to our graves not knowing the name of the assistant to Mr. Scorcese's second unit hair dresser's driver's best boy; or even who the fly tamer was.) At the end we had a quick chat with Barney H. and, failing to muster the energy or enthusiasm to travel to East London for the party, we crossed the road to the pub.

I've been into the Band since the week Big Pink was released in England and I find it interesting to hear how others have been turned on later by the film or even the books. Mel got hold of two Last Waltz posters, giving one to Jan.

It was excellent meeting other GBers - Lifeboy and Karl - and we were all honoured and priviliged to meet Jan. Great to see you Jan, my fellow Dean.

Karl and I drove back through awful traffic listening to Bruce Cockburn and discussing which performers at the Waltz we'd subsequently seen in concert. Lucky him - he's off to the George Harrison benefit next week.

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

BWNoclueIT: If you think for one second that I give a crap about getting the""""time of day"""" (there's your quotes) from the likes of you...think again. I do thank you though for your wonderful example of one of those "twisted agenda" (I'm getting good at those quotes, hm?) posts I had talked about earlier. I do hope that's subtle enough for you.

Stupid me. And all this time I thought it was ok to ask someone a question about something they posted in here. Guess not, hm? Funny though.. silence speaks volumes sometimes.

Pat B: I'd love to see your website too! Please mail me..d_lil@hotmail.com.. Thanks.

Have a good day everyone.

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Pat Brennan Web Site

Now I'm curious. How do I find the Pat Brennan web site? If it is keyboards you play Pat, I found some links to a Pat Brennan playing on different CD's; but no link to your website. Is that you playing on Studabaker John & The Hawks. Thanks Pat.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Shania Trwain / Merilee Rush

I’m probably the only one who didn’t know this, but I just read that Shania Twain’s “Up” is available in 3 versions with all 19 songs backed differently. The green CD is country and is only available in America (“mercifully” said Andy Gill in today’s review of it). The red CD is “pop” and the blue CD is “world / dance”. In the UK you get the red and the blue one. In the USA you get the green and the blue one. Is this a trend?

Listening to Charlie Gillett’s Memphis “Sound of the City” selection – what a very peculiar choice the original Merilee Rush version of “Angel of the Morning” is. This is is one of the very few songs where a cover version in the UK trounced the original backwards, forwards and sideways. The Rush has superb backing but while she sings beautifully, she also sings as if attending an enuciation class- everything extremely precise and clear. I had to put on the P.P. Arnold version straight away to clean it out of my ears. As we’ve discussed before ex-Ikette Arnold was an American who followed the Jimi Hendrix trail to success around the same time. Band link – she was last seen performing it on Ab Fab.

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Posted by:

rosalind

BWNWITennessee - .....interesting...

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Why Iota.....

Pat, a simple "touche" would have sufficed. I didn't "discover" your site at all. You posted the link a short time back and directed anyone who was interested in your work to check it out.

Checkmate.

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Subject: Bring Back BEG!

I don't think there's anything hypocritical about posting here even if you happen to know certain people who have been hurt by things that were said here. She never said SHE was hurt by messages here. At least beg posts positive messages, rather than "subtle" digs towards someone because they never gave her the time of day.

BTW, I'm still trying to find where she used the words, "don't blame" and "wouldn't blame." Or even "dismissing," for that matter. I guess quotation marks ain't what they used to be.

Maybe now BEG can post for eternity and a day about how she once knew a member of The Band.

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Posted by:

Harry & Mim

Location: Bensalem, Bucks County, PA USA

Subject: Al Aronowitz website URL and e-mail address

Friends:

Mr. Aronowitz Website can be reached at "www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/." His e-mail address is "blackj@bigmagic.com." Columns of interest to Band fans may include those on topics ranging from: Bob Dylan turns on the Beatles to marijuana; The Band and Bob Dylans' performances at the Isle of Wight; Jerry Wexlers' party in NYC for Mac Rebennack (aka Dr. John); and an interview with Jerry Garcia (1971/72 timeframe). These are only a few examples of many (close to 100 or so) articles. Mr. Aronowitz also went with Robbie Robertson and Bob Dylan on a visit to Brian Jones at a NYC hotel on the night of the NYC blackout (1965 timeframe, I believe).

Take a minute or so to look at the site - you should find articles of interest.

Harry & Mim

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Posted by:

roz

Subject: mmm

So he's a mean ol' daddy .. or maybe a ...nevermind. Either way, I won't be flirtin' with him anymore, Him don't know how to have fun.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Bob W, congratulations on discovering my website. That makes two visitors to it. I traded studio time with my ex-wife--an artist no less--and she assigned one of her students to make it. I went there once and found it impossibly slow, and given that I work in audio, I hate the sound. So I ignore it. I certainly would never tell a prospective client to visit it and expect anything good to come from it. I get work by meeting with people and playing them my demo, which has almost none of the music that's supposedly on the site.

roz, no way in the world.

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Posted by:

roz

Wheather Amerian Style!

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Posted by:

roz

Subject: Tempted into another provocative utterance...

"She got ruby lips. She got shapely hips yeah...."

Pat, If we were to meet, I would wrap my arms around your neck, slip you a sweet little tongue, sit in your lap and raise more on you than than just the hair on the back of your neck.... I love that Wheather Channel music, it's very easy and comforting, and I watch Amerian Justice sometimes, and I love the Food Channel. I've probably enjoyed your stuff without even knowin' it.

Dave Z. I'm going to start to worry the day I can no longer draw fire. Don't ever want to lose my edge. Fix ya a drink Son?

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Posted by:

jan haust

Location: Hog Town

Subject: LATE BREAKING NEWS1

For those unable to attend Jeff Healy's Club tomorrow night (fri., nov.22) to celebrate the official Canadian release of RICK DANKO's 'Times Like These' & PROF. LOUIE and the CROWMATIX 'Flyin' High' CD's, check the CROWMATIX out tomorrow morning on CITY TV's BREAKFAST TELEVISION between 6 and 9 am. They're playing 2 or 3 songs live! Too early?, then try MOJO RADIO, AM 640 on your radio dial as the boys play live, acoustic and give an interview at high noon. Still can't tune in? Then try their live, electric performance, direct from the Catskills on CKLN 88.1 FM at 4PM. They're playing 3 songs...maybe more. It's all building up to a great show tomorrow evening at HEALY's ( corner of Bathurst & Queen ). RAE BILLING opens the show @ 9:30 ( as she did for the GARTH HUDSON show last summer at the Hard Rock ). Jeff seems to have made HEALY's Hog Town's HAWKS' central. With LEVON in Sept. and Garth in Oct., you never know who's going to show up... and there will be guest performers; older brother JUNIOR DANKO,who played in The STARLITES with RICK in the late 50's & early 60's before the HAWKINS era, and younger brother TERRY DANKO, who played with HAWKINS, BEARFOOT, ATKINSON/DANKO/FORD and the RICK DANKO BAND. JEFF HEALY will also sit in, so it should be a great night. See you there!

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Posted by:

Amanda

Web: My link

Subject: Robbie, Jimmy Fallon & The Computer Age

Fallon:Yeah. I grew up in Saugerties, which is 15 minutes from Woodstock.

As a toddler, did you ever run into Bob Dylan and The Band?

Fallon:I ran into The Band’s kids. I did run into Levon Helm at a deli once. He was getting some cold cuts. And when I got to DreamWorks, I got to see Robbie Robertson in the office. He was working at a computer – I was blown away.

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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: jhwyg

Hmm,I'll have to do something about those paragraphs!

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: That Tangled Web You Weave

Pat, I just spent some time perusing your website. You've done a really nice job of it. Particularly for someone who finds no use for the internet in his line of work.

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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: chicken soup john d

"you may get better, but you'll never get well"

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: RR and Bob Wigo

Perhaps if Robertson had more computer skills he would wasted less time on Travelocity and had more time for John D., who no doubt would have done a great interview.

Dave Z, with great trepidation that I might rouse another of roz's provocative utterances, I often score documentaries for A&E, CNN, MSNBC, the History Channel, the Weather Channel, even the Food Channel (yup, and an interesting one at that). Biography, American Justice, Minute By Minute, The Unexplained, History's Mysteries, stuff like that.

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Posted by:

jhwygirl

Location: the other side of the pass

Subject: rollie

man, I'd really like to read rollie's stuff, but doesn't the guy know how to paragraphs?

or does that so we know he is ranting and raving?

Peace and Love ;-)

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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: brien SZ

Hey Brien! Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me!! ;) Sammy! I knew you'd get a chuckle out of that!

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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

I'm sitting here listening to the opening track of a Rhino comp, "Soul Shots Vol 4: Urban Blues". The song is Little Junior Parker's "Driving Wheel". Great record, but not as great as his "Mystery Train". Well, now we've hopped ahead to "Bobby Blue Bland singing "Stormy Monday Blues". I really like lines about the eagle flying. (Another would be Ian Tyson's "Eagle flies on Friday, mosquito biting me today / take a bus to Toronto, highway 2 all the way / take a walk down Yonge Street, where good times are bought and sold / remember this children if the good lord's willing / live a long long time to get old". Did anyone ever record the unbowdlerised "the eagle shits ..."?) A couple songs from now will be the excellent "High-Heel Sneakers", covered here effectively by Jackie Shane with Frank Motley and the Hitch-Hikers. And a few songs after that is Otis Rush's "Homework", a more impressive version of which was done in true Hawks rave-up style by Toronto's Richie Knight and the Midknights in '64. Not sure if Richard Bell on that one, or if he joined a bit later.

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Posted by:

Yazooman

Subject: Levon Helm interview and still-to-be-released recordings

Here's something I just read on the web and I thought of pasting here in the hope that somebody could shed some light. I hope they can get this album with Champion Jack DePree out. The interview with Levon is sourced from Offbeat mag in 12/98.

"It must have been a thrill and validation for you to see Sonny Boy Williamson again in 1967, after all the acclaim The Band was starting to generate, and learning from him as a kid."

- Oh, hell yeah. We were this close to getting to play, because we went, we left Helena and went to Somers Point, New Jersey, to Tony Mart’s club, and started playing, and the plan was, when we shook hands goodbye with Sonny Boy, was that we would be back in touch and we’d try and get him fixed up so he’d come up to New Jersey and join us before the summer was out. We didn’t know how the hell to pull that off, but we had some big plans at the time, and of course Sonny Boy had lived out his life by then, and passed away shortly. I tell you what though, Garth got Champion Jack Dupree to come through town, when he was here three years ago I guess, he was on his way back to Germany, he came through Woodstock and we recorded an album’s worth of songs. He left Woodstock and went back to Germany and passed.

"I would imagine that is his last session; the two CDs he recorded here in New Orleans for Rounder were thought to be his final recordings."

- Yeah, and it’s still in the tape vault some-damn-where. It should be out though. Garth produced it. We cut two nights with him, 10-12 songs, and good ones too. He had a young kid from Holland playing guitar with him, and me and Garth and Jimmy Weider and some more players.

"Is that an album that may come out on Woodstock Records, the label you just started?"

- I hope so. We’ve done a live album from Rick Danko, and my CD with the band the Crowmatix. We’ve got some more things that we want to cut.

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Posted by:

David Powell, I'm with you, drop the mouse-pick up the Strat (or Tele, Martin, or even that funny looking Last Waltz thing). Film score, artist production and talent signing are intersting endeavors which I'll continue to follow, but what I would most prefer is another Robbie solo album.

By the way, Norah Jones is on Leno Show tonight.

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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: rr

I really think RR has other things to do than spend much time studying what we think of his work from 30 + years ago, or what we think of his current litany of "Strange Behaviours."

His more recent work continues to grow on me. He is a brilliant artist in my view, and I dont really care whether or not he's a miserable failure as a human being. IMHO he is a great artist and his work is accesable yet visionary.

That said, Robbie- I lost your e mail. Call me at home tonight before 9. its urgent! The apple got your fly and I cant find the mouse. bring your guitar, but call.)

I'm with Amanda, Calvin and Pat B. on everything else.

"Plush safe...He think!"

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Posted by:

Harry & Mim

Location: Bensalem, Bucks County, PA USA

Subject: Muddy Waters' Biography; The Blacklisted Journalist

Friends:

Do yourself a favor and buy (or check out of your library) "Can't be Satisfied" - The Life & Times of Muddy Waters. With a foreward by Keith Richards, this book tells the story of a dignified, talented and illiterate man who reached his first sucess at the age of 40. One of the best books on music/musicians we've seen in a long, long time.

This website directed us to the Blacklisted Journalist webesite which contains (mainly) excerpts and complete articles from the long career of Al Aronowitz (chronicler of the Beat writers and pop/rock musicians & businessmen such as Mac Rebennack, Jerry Wexler, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, and Bob Dylan). It also contains his "political" commentaries and articles on "popular" music performers of the time such as Barbra Streisand, Louis Armstrong & Miles Davis (among many others). (I will post a follow-up message to the GB with the website address). Re-reading many of his articles brought back great memories and reminded us of things we had forgotten over the decades. After sending him an e-mail, we received a call from this 74 year old man and enjoyed a half an hour to 45 minute conversation with someone who seems glad to still be appreciated for his lifes' work. His friendships with George Harrison, Brian Jones and Garth Hudson were life-long affairs and he seemed interested in current information about this website and The LH Blues Band (among other things). After reading an article or two, if you feel so inclined, please send Mr. Aronowitz an e-mail to let him know there ARE folks who care and appreciate the light he shed on people and topics of interest. He will be glad to hear from you (blackj@bigmusic.com - I'll double check this and confirm along with his web-site URL).

Looking forward to meeting some of you in Bearsville on New Years' Eve. Front row, center, balcony is where these two old orthopedic cases will be sitting.

PLH - Mim & Harry

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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Rick's CDs, Robbie as a marketer and a little politics

I love Rick's voice, and he is far away my favorite member of The Band, and certainly my favorite singer of the group. With that said Times Likes These is near the bottom of Rick's non-Band albums for me, his voice sounded somewhat labored to me, it's an album I like but frankly I listen to Live From Breeze Hill at least twice a month, and the DFA albums probably twice a month, but I dont pull out Times Likes These near as much. I'm not sure if I agree with the idea that the 90s Band squelched RIck, and Garth's, creativity. While Rick did seem to be more adventerous in DFA or solo it certainly doesn't mean Levon was forcing him into anything, which is what some seem to be suggesting. Regardless of how he looked on one video, where Ive often heard he was quite ill, you cant convince me he didnt have a good time jamming with some of his oldest friends for a living. I only met Rick one time for about a minute, so I really cant speak for what was in his mind, but I have a hard time believing he ever saw the 90s Band in a negative light.

I think the person who said Robbie was into marketing now might have meant the Robbie was just there as a draw card, which I could buy if Robbie was a draw to the masses. Sadly he has very little name recognition among the 16-25 crowd who make up a huge portion of CD purchases, Robbie as window dressing has little value.

I've got to agree with Amanda and others here, there are several parts of the Patriot bill that are just plain wrong, it's now harder to sue drug companies because they need a free hand to create vaccines to fight terrorism? Does anyone buy that? And while I think Rollie is a tad on the suspicious side, but we need those folks, there are several parts of the Patriot bill that do run counter to the constitution. Personally I cant see this not going to the SUpreme COurt and being thrown out.

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: RR & Pat B.

Turns out Robbie couldn't find the time to visit with John Donabie in Toronto because he was tied up on the Travelocity website attempting to book two tickets to Podunk.

Like pissing up a rope.

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Not politics...Awareness

Shameless, last minute additions to the Homeland Security Act that have no place in this piece of legislation.I'm strongly OPPOSED to a section of the bill passed. It gives vaccine manufacturers PROTECTION on the ingredients in vaccines. This is outrageous and offensive. It's already extremely difficult to obtain compensation for a vaccine injury through the government's current system. For individuals who have had adverse reactions/been poisoned by thimerosal (mercury) and other toxins in vaccines, this leaves no alternative for them in taking legal action. FDA/CDC have known since 1972 about the dangers of the thimerosal ingredient in infant/childhood vaccines and in fact in 1992 it was eliminated from pet vaccines. No safety studies have been done on thimerosal. If you review a list of the symptoms of mercury poisoning and autism, you will see they mirror each other and this country has an exploding epidemic of autism today. Teaching/educating these children is costing billions. The government should stop protecting vaccine manufacturers who fail to produce safe vaccines. President Bush appointed Sidney Taurel to his Homeland Security Counsel on June 11, 2002. Sidney Taurel of Indiana is the Chairman, President & CEO of Eli Lilly & Company. The vaccine manufacturer that stands to gain the most, to the additions in the Homeland Security Bill (in vaccine revenue and freedom from responsibility)is Eli Lilly & Company.Boy, this keeps getting worse and worse.

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I do okay for a high school drop-out bartender kid.

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Pat B: Damn, posterized again... Oh well, I didn't have much to bet anyway... :^)... But hey, you gotta at least give me that RR seems to have been marketing the hell out of TLW... and yet doing a Google search on that keyword brings up... bingo... not a RR production... but rather the site of some dude from Norway who maybe likes to drink in Arkansas... and who knows, maybe if RR makes kissy kissy with this guy he might be able to score a Dana icon on the left menu bar (I'm sooo in trouble, aren't I?)... Switching gears, as quickly as possiblay, I got to tour a cool edit house last night... and see what they really can do with both audio and video... my bet is that Orange Crush is gonna have to pony up big next time for TLW or face the dreaded shapeshift into Pepsi Blue... yep, that should be enough to keep my coveted GB street cred intact... btw John D, I'm hoping you'll get a better RR interview down the road... for his own CD... Closing subliminal: Amy Helm Amy Helm Amy Helm...

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Posted by:

London Dan

Location: London England

Subject: current music scene

Hello people, as you all most probably are i am also a massive fan of the band and that sort of real earthy music. As you seem to know a lot more about the subject i was wondering if you could help me. Is thre are an active music scene out there where people still play this sort of stuff, or is it too much to ask, i play piano and guitar but am limited most of the time to playing along to records or with a few friends with similar interests. Does anyone know the sort of places to go or new bands to listen to that continuein this great muscial tradition

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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Brien Sz

I did like the comparison to the rock stars however!!!!!

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Rob: What a nice post! Thanks for sharing it with us.

Bayou Sam: After reading your last post, I realized I never mentioned in mine how happy I am for Brown Eyed Girl. Soo.....

Brown Eyed Girl: I am very happy that you finally got to meet RR. I know from your posts how much that must've meant to you.
My only problem with the post you did was what sounded to me like a kind of hypocritical put-down of this guestbook. You said you "wouldn't blame" anyone for "dismissing" this place, and yet.. you're always here. So I guess what I want to know is .. why the double talk?

A biiiig hug to he who may be looking in with bloodshot eyes today. Have fun waltzing tonight! Miss you.

Have a good day everyone.

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Posted by:

Fred

apparently the link I posted doesn't have the Leo/Marty/Gangs info anymore. However it did state that the movie 8or should I say film?) will open in the US & Japan on Dec. 21st.

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Posted by:

Fred

Web: My link

Subject: Not exactly CHEST FEVER...

but DiCaprio Fever has exploded in japan (again) as Leo & Scorsese are in Japan promoting Gangs of New York. Check the link posted (that is if it did it right)

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Posted by:

rosalind

Great Post Rob!

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Posted by:

Rob

Location: MI

Subject: Just some thoughts on The Band

I've read plenty of postings in the guestbook. Most of those who have posted know more than I'll ever know about The Band. Actually, most of what I've learned about The Band comes from frequenting this website over the past four years.

My whole appreciation for The Band started when I was stationed in Pohang S. Korea in 86. I play a little piano and keyboard and was working with a guitarist in my unit. We were Marines first, but we were always thinking about music. He told me about a group, "The Band" and was always going on about, "they change from instrument to instrument" and, "you should play guitar on some of our songs, and I'll play keyboards"...etc. I didn't know who "The Band" was, or so I thought. After a couple of weeks in the field, we got liberty. A whole battalion of Marines hit the clubs in Pohang. Sitting in a bar in Pohang, I hear "The Weight". I knew I'd heard this song before, but had no clue as to who did it. We left Pohang and went back to Okinawa...then back to Camp Lejeune. Our band broke up before it ever made a live appearance. It seemed everyone was getting out of the Marine Corps....End of Active Service. My guitarist got out 7 months before me and wanted me to come to Md and work with him on music. He was damned good, but I didn't feel like I had the skills to work with him. He knew everything about music, I learned by ear. So.....I didn't go.

Life goes on.....I ended up with my wife here in MI and we were watching this show..."Party of Five". At the close of a very dramatic ending.....there's that damned song again..."The Weight". So I go on the computer and find this site. I read about the history of "The Band" and listen to some sound clips. I hear Richard singing "Georgia" and remember seeing him on TV when I was 11 years old. I was only a kid but was wondering how a white man sounded like that. It didn't seem like the voice fit the body. Anyway it seemed that the more I listened to the clips, the more I realized that "The Band" wasn't new to me at all. I must have heard them quite often when I was a child, but just didn't know who I was listening to.

So, I bought the video "The Last Waltz" and another one on the Album "The Band" I think that was their second album. I've never researched any musical group like I have this one.

My personal opinion on this group is that they were flat out GREAT!!! And, like a great football team, the reason they were great was teamwork. Without Robbie, there wouldn't have been the lyrics. Without Garth, there wouldn't have been the musical ability. Without Levon, there wouldn't have been that country flavor that tied it together. Without Richard, they would have had to hire about 3 additional backup singers. Without Rick, Crazy Chester wouldn't catch anyone. If you haven't watched "The Last Waltz" lately, watch Rick and listen to the lines of "It Makes No Difference". The lines .. well I love you so much.... and it's all I can do... His vocals are of another world on this song.

Like I said, most people who post on here know alot more about "The Band" than I'll ever know. I just know that they were about the best band I've ever heard. Thank you. I have one question. Where did the video clip of "Tears of Rage" on this site come from. The one from 69. I want the video.

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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Rick is my favorite Band singer, is he the best singer in terms of having the most versatile voice probley not, that would be Richard most likely, but Rick is for me simply because of his "crazy chester" verse in the Weight, no matter how many times I hear this song when they get to Ricks part it runs chills down my spine, even before I was a Band fan and would hear the "Weight" Ricks part blew me away...

So Ronnie doesn't dabble in the Band site huh? shit maybe he's got a life...

BEG didn't offend me with her "this site has hurt many people comment" I kinda thought it was funny really, I mean after all arn't we talkin about the same guy who played with Dylan and got booed by thousands of people, I kind of doubt "anyone" in here could rattle him, good god get real, he creates, this is dribble to him...

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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: I'm done..........

Farewell GB! I've been duped into pontificating again on politics. I can't take it anymore. I'm not coming back. (Is that a door I feel brushing against my posterior region?!)By the way, have I mentioned ............?????????

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

JTull, I think you should get a big Buddha, one of those eight-armed Hindu goddesses, a pentagram, and any other non-Christian religious symbol. It would be hilarious, and f-em if they can't take a joke. If their chosen religion is so threatened by someone putting a symbol in their front yard as a joke, it must be a very stable religion. And do try to get Hava Nagila playing, also, preferably Dick Dale's version.

John W., there was a family in Nashville whose door was kicked in (not in the middle of the night, the middle of the afternoon), who were dragged away and had a significant amount of personal property confiscated because they sent large amounts of money to their relatives in Syria. The typical utter lack of any follow up by the local media on what was initially the lead story would indicate that they were wrongfully detainted and interrogated.

I once made the mistake of reading a post without by bifocals on, and had to lean up real close, when I accidentally banged my forehead on the monitor. It hurt me like a motherf-er!

A man was driving his car around a bend when he almost hit a woman coming the other way, who was in the middle of both lanes. As they passed, she yelled at him, "Pig!" He yelled back, "Bitch!," then continued around the bend and drove right into the big pig in the middle of the road.

Thus ends the sad tale of Oink Peterson.

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Posted by:

rollie

John W. "Rollie - As much as I agree with your premise that we must be ever vigilant against a government "shredding the constitution", I just can't see how you think Bush is doing this" ------The recent passage and signing of the USA PATRIOT Act has effectively nullified at least six amendments of the Bill of Rights addendum to the United States Constitution. As a result of this, America is longer America, but a police state, pure and simple. This Patriot Bill is, in fact, a massive violation of the Constitution it purports to uphold and improve. Violates the First Amendment freedom of speech guarantee, right to peaceably assemble provision, and petition the government for redress of grievances provision; it violates the First Amendment to the Constitution three times. More on this below. Violates the Fourth Amendment guarantee of probable cause in astonishingly major and repeated ways. The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution reads: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons of things to be seized." The Patriot Act, now passed and the law of the land, has revoked the necessity for probable cause, and now allows the police, at any time and for any reason, to enter and search your house — and not even tell you about it. Violates the Fifth Amendment by allowing for indefinite incarceration without trial for those deemed by the Attorney General to be threats to national security. The Fifth Amendment guarantees that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law, and the Patriot Act does away with due process. It even allows people to be kept in prison for life without even a trial. Violates the Sixth Amendment guarantee of the right to a speedy and public trial. Now you may get no trial at all, ever. Violates the Eighth Amendment (cruel and unusual punishment). Violates the 13th Amendment (punishment without conviction). Especially troubling is the sneak and peak clause. This is where the government can now go into your home ( they still need a warrant ) while you are not there and snoop around, or they can download everything from your computer and never tell you about it. All of the other pieces of the anti-terrorism bill, the USA PATRIOT Act, which are taking away our constitutional freedoms have a sunset clause of December 31, 2005 on them. Why is sneak and peak the only part of this new law that doesn't have a sunset clause on it?

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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Sleepy in Old Virginny

Subject: Oops!

I realize that I made up a new number ("seventeen fourteen") on my last post and I meant to say that there are fourteen tracks on the bonus disc of that new deluxe edition of the first album by the Who...

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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Greatest Rhythm Tracks Ever?

I'm one of those people who love outtakes and demos of songs, though I admit that they are usually inferior to finished tracks. The bonus tracks on The Band reissues left me longing for more and the recent double-disc reissue of the first LP by the Who ("My Generation") is a great example of what can be done when a record company puts full effort into an archival project. There are three bonus tracks after the original album--and it never sounded better--but then there is an entire bonus disc featuring seventeen fourteen tracks of mostly unreleased material from the same time period as that first album.

One of the tracks on the bonus disc is the basic undubbed rhythm track of the song "My Generation" with just Entwhistle's bass, Moon's drums and cymbals and Townshend's electric rhythm guitar. I must have listened to this one instrumental track a dozen times today in my car. It may be the single most amazing rhythm track I have ever heard, reminding me of the pure power of that trio before the regal voice of Roger Daltry even had a chance to dub himself onto the song. It is really an awesome piece of rock'n'roll history and I would love to hear some basic tracks like this from some classics by The Band.

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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: reply to John W---- All others scroll by!!!!!! but you knew that!

Hi John- Try these on for starters."The ACLU has filed 24 lawsuits for civil liberties violations since the Sept. 11 attacks, including several for airline passengers who claim they were kicked off flights or singled out for questioning because of their dark skin. The group will air television spots featuring a close-up of a hand cutting up and re-writing the U.S. Constitution as a voiceover charges Attorney General John Ashcroft with violating the First and Fourth amendments, which guarantee free speech and guards against unreasonable searches and seizures. The ACLU is also actively looking for people who feel they have been "victimized" by the expanded government powers granted by the Patriot Act or Operation TIPS, which encourages the public to report their neighbors' suspicious behavior to the FBI. (The site states that more than 200,000 tips have been filed since Sept. 11.) Several people have already stepped forward alleging government harassment, including:  A.J. Brown, a 20-year-old antiwar activist and computer major at Durham Technical Community College in North Carolina. Brown was questioned by the Secret Service after an anonymous tipster called the agency to denounce an anti-Bush poster hanging in her apartment. The poster depicts Bush holding a length of rope over a backdrop of figures hanging by their necks and criticizes the number of death row inmates who were executed during Bush's tenure as Texas governor. Brown was getting ready for a Friday night date when two agents from the Raleigh office and a local police investigator showed up at her doorstep, saying they'd received a report that she had "anti-American" material in her apartment. They had no warrant, so she refused to grant them entry, but opened the door wide enough to let them view the poster, she said. For 45 minutes, they tried to convince her to let them into her apartment, to check if she had any maps of Afghanistan or pro-Taliban material, she said. "I kept saying no," Brown said. "Finally, I was like, 'I think the Taliban are assholes,' and they left a little later. At first I thought they were rounding up activists and incarcerating them; I was scared. After they'd gone, I didn't know whether to scream or laugh my head off." Brown, who refused to give her complete name out of fear of reprisals for her anti-Bush views, will be featured in some of the ACLU commercials.  Andrew Mandell, a member of Voices in the Wilderness, a group that protests U.S. sanctions against Iraq. Mandell was questioned by Chicago police and a postal inspector after refusing to use stamps featuring the American flag on a newsletter going out to 4,000 of the group's supporters. "Because of the work we do, we felt some people might be offended by the stamp, so we asked for any stamp but the American flag stamp," said Mandell. The postal worker asked Mandell and a colleague to wait while she got the stamps, then went into a back room to phone the police. Two cops arrived, asked Mandell what he had against the flag, and left after he explained the group's position. The postal worker told Mandell to return for his stamps the next day. When he did, a postal inspector took him into a back room to ask about the group's activities and funding. Additionally, the inspector requested to inspect the mass mailing before it was sent; Mandell acquiesced. "It felt like he had a lot of power to make my life miserable," Mandell said. "I didn't like the potential of the situation."  Sarah Backus, the co-coordinator of the Wisconsin chapter of the School of the Americas Watch, a group that accuses the Georgia military school of training Latin American soldiers to commit human rights violations. The group was in the Milwaukee airport on its way to lobby Congress to shut the school down when Midwest Express informed 20 of the 37 members that they were on a "no fly" list and could not board their plane, Backus said. The group -- whose members range from high school students to a nun -- was pulled aside and questioned by a group of sheriff's deputies. The FAA couldn't be reached for instructions on how to handle the situation before the flight, and the airline put the group up at a hotel. They flew out the next morning without incident. Backus said the group was never told why certain members were flagged, although one deputy theorized that it was because they were "protesting America" and another deputy mused that member Jacob Laden's last name was a lot like Osama bin Laden's. ---As for liberal newspaper writers and protesters being silenced,try "Into the Buzzsaw- The myth of a free press" by Kristina Borjesson. Or how about the NY TIMes having to recently retract one of their articles on demonstrator turn out? At least thye re-tracted it, I'll give you that. Not all papers were as forgiving.This is the tip of the iceberg. As for citizens having their doors kicked in and dragged away in the middle of the night, the reality behing that is more horrifying than you'd care to believe.........

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: RR job description

Dave Z, you know I love you, but Robertson doesn't market new talent, he helps produce new talent, an effort which has nothing to do with the inet.

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Subject: Dana Glover Interview

I had a wonderful interview with Dana Glover this morning. The CD is very, very good. She is a real talent. Robbie who has been with her for the past few days here in Toronto did not show up.

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Posted by:

Mike Nomad

Subject: Diamond Lil

Nicely put, Lil . . . as usual.

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Pig-Headedness

Just digressing for a wee mo from all the superficial trivia that seems to have possessed the GB and returning to Fred's rather more profound statement about the effect of the local Mersey water supplies on the preservation of Scouse complexions I find I simply have to agree with him. Both myself and Paul McCartney do indeed have skin like baby's bums.

All of which rather conveniently reminds me of an old joke

So anyroad there were these two Scouse [Liverpudlian] brothers on their way through the Cheshire countryside in a car they'd found.

They decide to rob a pig as it so happens one of them is particularly partial to bacon sandwiches.

Having successfully stolen the pig, so as to avoid detection they dress the pig in an old overcoat and stick a flat cap on its head, a lighted Marlboro in its gob and sit it upright in the back seat of the car.

It's not long before they get stopped at a police roadblock where they're asked their names and where they're going

" We're the Peterson brothers and we're on our way back to Liverpool. We've just been for a nice ride in the country"

Policeman: "Really?" Then addressing the driver he asks, "So what's you're name then son?"

"Billy"

"And you?", to Billy's brother in the passenger seat.

"Joey"

"And what about you in the back?"

"Oink!"

He eyes the pig suspiciously. Then, after what seems like an eternity, he tells them "Okay, yer can go - but don't come round here again. Understand."

The boys speed off, sighing with relief.

As they're going the policeman turns to his fellow officer. "I tell you what Charlie. I've seen some ugly Scousers in my time but I reckon that Oink Peterson just about takes the biscuit!!!"

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Afterthought …

The thing about Rick Danko was he could take Richard songs and do them seamlessly. Who ever noticed the lack when Rick was doing 'The Shape I'm In.'? So when Rick was singing in the Band we really were getting two for the price of one. And as the autumn draws into winter, he does tend to come into your thoughts.

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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: Brien Sz

Excuse me, Brien... That was MY head exploding. Cleveland TX is a couple hours east of me. I'll post later when I pull myself together. Thanks BEG. That was fun post.

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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: Nj

Subject: Did you hear that

John W - well said, but did you hear Ben P's head explode when you hit the submit button?

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Posted by:

John W.

Rollie - As much as I agree with your premise that we must be ever vigilant against a government "shredding the constitution", I just can't see how you think Bush is doing this. Other than a few Al Quaeda's being considered "enemy combatants" rather than "criminal defendants", nobody's rights have been violated. Even John Walker Lindh was given a trial. How many American citizen's doors have been kicked in and they were dragged away in the night, never to be heard from again? How many Americans have been arrested and sentenced without a trial? If this constitutional shredding is going on, wouldn't Hillary Clinton and Daschle and other Bush opponents be locked up right now as we speak? What about the liberal newspaper writers and protesters? How many of them have been silenced or locked up? If you were busted for something today, do you think you wouldn't get the right to due process? Of course you would. As for foreign policy, even the Euro-liberal press is now saying that since Bush has won the U.N. approval, we can no longer call this Iraq situation Bush's war, it's a U.N. thing now. Bush went through the Constitutional processes to get the Senate approval and U.N. approval. Why would he do that if he has no regard at all for the Constitution? Don't forget, Clinton started bombing Kosovo when the U.N. was just starting to debate the issue, and without any Senate approval, plus he was a perjurer, so you could say Bush has shown more respect for the Constitution than his predecessor!

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Posted by:

Jared

Subject: Music From Big Pink Painting

Can anyone speculate on where the original painting for the cover is? Does Dylan have it? Robbie? How much would it sell for?

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Posted by:

Northern Reticence, Southern Charm

The Dana Glover event at Indigo was a great night out for Band fans. It actually was a good thing that it wasn’t a Band event because us fans could observe Robbie Robertson and his mentor, Ronnie Hawkins in a low-key environment.

If I didn’t know who he was, I would guess that Robbie was a successful writer or actor – not a musician. He has a natural cool charisma and is polite but with a classic Canadian trait of reserve. His fashion sense these days leans towards upscale bohemia. Except for the untucked lime green shirt, he could still have fit into the famous picture of him, Dylan, Ginsberg and McClure in the San Francisco alley during the Blond on Blond era. He seems comfortable in his present role as a music executive but reticent about his Band past. To my surprise, he did sign a lot of autographs (contrary to what was announced by Indigo).

Ronnie Hawkins is a study in contrast compared to Robbie Robertson. After the event, to my delight, I got to hang out with The Hawk for twenty minutes while he was waiting for a cab. For someone who has recently undergone major surgery, he is incredibly vigorous and full of life. The Hawk is a complete extrovert who is extremely engaging, bawdy and downright funny on a one-to-one basis. While he lit up a cigarette (doesn’t he know it’s bad for your health?), I got to ask him a few questions. He told me that he saw what he describes as an “eight hour, unedited” version of the Dylan movie “Renaldo and Clara” before it was completed. He said there was great footage of “everybody” in it including a “lesbian Eskimo” (Huh?). Personally, I’d like to see him in the role of “Bob Dylan”. I also asked him about his growling in “Who Do You Love” from The Last Waltz. He said that was “part of the act” with the original Hawks that he reprised for the film. He said in the club days he would growl and then Garth Hudson would do “Phantom of the Opera organ” licks. It is a blast to meet to Ronnie. He really leaves you with memories to cherish and a smile on your face.

After The Hawk left, I went back inside Indigo just as Robbie was coming out. I got to shake his hand which was a nice gesture on his part but there was no time for small talk. I’ll make one observation about Robbie for his critics. As he was leaving, a musician came over to him and handed him a CD of his demo. In his position, I’m sure that’s the last thing he’d want. Robbie listened to this guy’s pitch and took the CD. I probably wouldn’t have bothered or would have chucked it in the garbage and I’m not even in the music business. I did notice, as he was stepping into his limo five minutes later, Robbie still was clutching the CD in his hands.

Lawrence Brissenden

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

This site is capable of helping and hurting (certainly not in equal doses), but I don't think you can dismiss one because of the intensity of the other. I can recall some ridiculous past posts calling Levon stupid names, and the personal raking of Robertson--sometimes subtle, sometimes explicit--is ongoing. I would assume that either principal could be hurt by such talk if he chose to tune in, as it has certainly effected how people view both of them. A few years ago there was quite a stir over some pictures of Rick that were posted here, and the argument against their posting was the hurt they were doing both Rick's family and the GB gathered. Occasionally, questions about Richard's passing heat things up, again for the same reason.

That said, John D's explanation makes perfect sense. It only makes sense that someone who isn't computer literate or simply has no interest in surfing the web would be completely unaware of a site like this.

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Posted by:

Susan

Location: Illinois

Subject: Christmas lights

JTull, the only defense against obnoxious light displays is closed curtains. The house cater-corner from mine always does a bad job with lights - especially those lights the run in sequence, and not the same sequence either. Any effort to fight fire with fire will only annoy the other neighbors, and will possibly start a contest of escalating awfulness.

At least no one is playing Christmas music over a loudspeaker.

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Posted by:

Richard

Location: Benxi

Subject: Our Lady of the Assumption

Brien Sz.: I'm sure (artistic license here) that Rick Danko was definitely a "good soldier". His doing road trips and playing bar gigs right 'til the end leave this (to me) in little doubt. He struck me as a man capable of unquestionable loyalty and commitment... HOWEVER, I also think that once a member of an established "super group" stikes out on his own, it's either a case of "the emporer's new clothes" or you thrive. Rick, while taking his time to do it, was certainly all set to thrive (as apposed to say, George Harrison, who would not be a hock in a spittoon if he weren't an ex-Beatle).

Bob W.: Good point, that little bit of commentary on how this site has "hurt many people" has stuck in my craw since this morning. Especially as it's not clear from the post if we should attribute it to The Hawk, B.E.G. or Robbie. B.E.G. Could you clarify?

JTullFan: I don't think displaying the religious artifacts of other cultures will be considered a "parody" by anyone other than yourself.

Captain Kidd: There are of course only two kinds of Rock Stars. I hope your research leads you in many more wonderful directions.

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Posted by:

Danny Brooks

Location: Milton, On
Web: My link

Subject: General

Great and informative site. A real pleasure hearing the music from the past and present recently on The Lowdown Hoedown out of Bowling Green Ky, hosted by Greg Martin. I have always been a big fan of The Band and now enjoy the pleasure of performing with Richard Bell in the Rockin' Revelators. Keep that great music flowing God bless Danny Brooks

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: BEG Meeting Robbie

Enjoyed the recollection, almost felt like I was there.

Cheers

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Computer Follow Up

In my opinion. Other than Garth who uses the computer for music related items....the one member of The Band that I know of that was and is a BIG computer literate individual is Richard Bell. He is total computer savvy. From what I gather I don't think he checks out the site either. Again.....why would he? The people in the guestbook are the "fans" for the most part...not the musicians themselves.

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Ronnie's Remark

Let's understnad something here. I know Ronnie and I know what he meant and it is quite simple. Ronnie has told me many times that he is not computer literate and has no desire to be. That's not a knock on Ronnie...he's just (like many people believe it or not) plain not interested in computers and web sites. He did tell me that he thinks it's great for everyone who has; but he's just not into it. Plain and simple. Those of us on this site...sit down at our computers pondering over what is in the minds of 5 musicians plus. Ronnie and Levon have no desire to do this and usually hear about things here only if they are told by Butch or in Ronnie's case myself or someone else that he knows who has mentioned something to him. I don't believe Ron even checks out his own web site. His daughter-in-law Mary keeps him up to speed on that. They don't dismiss this site.....they simply just never got into computers. No big deal. I'm seeing Robbie in an hour for an interview with Ms. Glover.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Speaking of Jews...

Our neighbors directly across the street from us, to my wife's horror, appear to be gearing up for the 'tacky house tour' for the Christmas season. Every imaginable plastic goo-dad and unmatching light and decoration appears to be going on everything with a branch, tackable surface, etc. It looks like Snoopy's Doghouse on steroids! So......I mentioned this to some of my Jewish friends, and since Hanukkah comes early this year, they are donating one of those BIG plastic lighted menorahs to us that you see on some town greens when it is allowed. It will go up directly facing our tacky neighbors. If they want to crap up the 'hood, then I'm going to parody them. Anybopdy have a large, illuminated dancing Shriva?

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Assumption?

BEG you wrote...".I told Ronnie that they reminded me of Rick and Robbie and he agreed....When I mentioned The Band site.....He dismissed it....He said that he doesn't even look at it.....It's understandable....This site has hurt many many people....."

Is it possible you are making an assumption as to how Ronnie Hawkins feels about this place? Is it possible he doesn't bother just because he doesn't bother? I'll make an assumption of my own, a rather safe one I feel. Ronnie Hawkins doesn't strike me as the type of guy who would spend much time parked in front of a PC. I may well be wrong but my assumption is far safer than your inference.

I am happy for you in that you met Robbie because I know that means alot to you but I have to take exception with your comment. I would like to understand your statement concerning this site hurting many people. Has it hurt the Hawk? Has it actually "hurt" Robbie? Levon? Rick? Richard? Garth? I can't put enough credence in any of the discourse here, including my own, to accept that anyone is hurt by this site. In fact, I will stand firmly on my belief that this site has done more good in serving the legacy of The Band, its members and all the related artists than any negative commentary on this Guestbook could ever negate.

I respectfully, but adamantly, disagree and , frankly, your statement angers me.

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Posted by:

rosalind

Cork - I "chilled" out on that subject early last morning and I didn't even have to inhale anything. Okie dokie?

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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Location: a hotel balcony somewhere in berlin

Subject: diamond lil/michael jackson/george harrison

Yes Lil, I saw the film clip of Michael and his baby on CNN. Whats with the towel over the babys head? This guy is out of it.

CBC Radio played a few songs from the new Harrison album the night before its official release. You could tell Georges distinct guitar style from the very first note. They played 3 songs. One sounded like the Wilburys, I think it was called "Any Road". Their was also a nice ballad. His voice sounded great too.

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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: It's not like it used to be.........

Gimme Dat Old Time Religion!

Good enough....well, it's good enough........

BEG!!!!! You met RR!......Well done!.....can't wait to see the photos!

Ben Pike!........I've ALWAYS loved "Three Angels"......I used to think that the three angels were symbolic of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.......my Dad told me that 10th Ave. buses never went west but he said that image added to the dream-like quality of the song...........

I keep meaning to cover that song every Christmas.....I'm gonna make an effort this year..........

Nowadays, of course, I believe that we are all Jews.......

The whole world is Jewish these days, if you think about it.........

One, All Powerful Male God......that's it.......no other......to quote Gene Clark......

Thanks to the Church, the Mosque, The Synagogue, the printing press, radio/TV and the internet, all the other gods and goddesess bow down, worldwide, to the awesome power of The All Powerful Jewish Male God.....

.....and why not? All these other dieties, male or female, saints or devils, Aztec or Asian are COMPLETELY hip to the awesome power of The Male Jewish God that has been roaring outta the desert these past 5000 years or so.........and these deities realise, for their own survival, that they must deal with this awesome power.......and so, they all cook with Jehovah......or they GET cooked!!!!!! Look what happened to The Ancient Eygptians for messing about with Moses.....plagues, floods, famines, angels of death killing the first born.....

Pyramids falling in disuse.........apparently............

If you believe in the All Powerful, All Seeing, All Knowing Jewish Male God, whether you get it from Abraham, Moses, Jesus or Mohommad.......AND if you pay your taxes and tithes....well then, surely you will be delivered unto paradise....right?.........whatever your notion of paradise is.......

It really is that simple........."Ya either got faith or unbelief".......to quote Bob Dylan

The present conflict between Christianity, Islam and Judaism is a bid to secure the contract for ruling The World.......The Christians THINK they rule The World, The Muslims WANT to rule the World and The Jews are waitng for a Messiah to come and sort it all out..............

You don't believe me?........turn on your TV right now and look at the next report on the war brewing in the area where The Bible and the Koran come from..........open up your daily newspaper and read about "The Middle East"........

"Christmas Must Be Tonight" is a song I DO cover this time every year........

The line, "son of a carpenter, Mary carried The Light", is very interesting..........

It does not offend the Jewish sensibilty of Christ being a great Jew.....but NOT The Son of God..........

AND it gives credibilty to the notion of Mary as The Mother Goddess........The Mother of God........

On top of all that, it conveys the story of Christmas as well as "Silent Night"...........Beautiful......to quote Mavis Staples.........

Now.....Rosalind.....or Mullah Omar.....or anyone else easily offended/turned on by discussions about religion, history, politics and easy access to fossil fuels ......put THAT in yer pipes....and smoke it........like good ganja......take a deep, big long hit, inhale and chill out!

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: disgust

Did anyone else see the newsclip of Michael Jackson 'dangling' his 9 month old baby over the railing of a 4th floor balcony???? This seems to be headline news this morning.. not as a "crime".. but as entertainment....? You know, if that had been me..or any of you.. we would have been taken into immediate custody and that baby would have been in the care of Social Services. This really disgusts me. Are "stars" completely and utterly above the law.. even when endangering the lives of children?

Thanks for listening. This is really bothering me. Have a good day.

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Posted by:

Couldn't have said it better myself!!!!

Allah akbar!

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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: JW-not all Republicans are spinelesss

One of the biggest lies being perpetuated by the Bush Cabal is that they are "conservatives" in the traditional sense of the word. While some of Bush's policies (tax breaks for the rich, giving corporations free reign to destroy the environment) are familiar "conservative" themes, the reality is Bush and Co. are radicals, out to transform the American government and shred the Constitution in their quest for power and profit. Expansionist abroad and reactionary at home, the Bush Administration is on the verge of enshrining near-dictatorial Executive power. But not all Republicans have signed on with this agenda. Last week, The New York Times' resident libertarian William Safire caused a minor political tempest when he reported on the Information Awareness Office, that oh-so-Orwellian sounding agency bundled inside the dangerously authoritarian Homeland Security Act, which is fast on its way to becoming law. Safire, along with fellow libertarians or so-called "anti-state" conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly, Lew Rockwell, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) and the outgoing Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.) are part of a growing movement on the right that fears the Bush Administration is becoming the worst kind of Big Government - the kind that busts down your door at night and whisks you away in secret. Safire's career spans five decades, he served on two Presidential campaigns (Eisenhower and Nixon), and as Nixon's speechwriter. As a columnist for The New York Times, he has been writing editorials twice a week for more than 30 years. He also pens a column for The New York Times Sunday Magazine on the origins of popular words and phrases, (who coined "props"?) which is often annoyingly pedantic but always interesting. He may have been a Nixon lackey, and at present, a Sharon groupie, but when it comes to standing up for our Constitutional rights, B

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Posted by:

roz

Subject: Robbie's deal

BEG - Thanks For The Blow by Blow!

I love that Joni Mitchell song that goes:

Location: ny

Brien = I've always thought the same thing you posted about Rick, but regarding Richard. Imagine the music that might have come from him if he continued the way he came out of the gate at the start.

You know who I always wish would have been around long enough to do more music - Brian Jones. He was the founder of the Rolling Stones but ended up in the shadow of the Glimmer Twins. I saw a recent interview with Keith Richards where he said that Brian wanted to be Mick Jagger, which is quite interesting. Brian was sort of the "George Harrison" of the Stones, but he didn't have the push (and probably sogwriting ability of George) that George had. He definately made a big contribution to certain Stones tunes. They say that he could pick up just about any instrument and add something great to a song. It's a shame that he crashed and burned........Brian Jones trivia = he plays that "snake-charmer" sounding thing on the Beatles "Baby Your A Rich Man".

I was working in a school today and a young teacher came along with the last name "Danko". I told her that that was the last name of one of my favorite musicians. She said she never heard of Rick Danko, or The Band. I told her she needed to know. I don't think she cared.

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Location: Rick

Brien: I have to agree with David Powell about Rick finding new inspiration when he teamed up with Jonas Fjeld and Eric Andersen. There was a newfound passion, and the feeling that there was so much more to come. He was happy and starting to get back on track after a long personal battle over the death of his son. Unfortunately, his health started to decline soon after starting to find himself again. Seriously high blood pressure and other assorted maladies managed to keep him from achieving more of what he was capable of, but they never took the sparkle from his eyes or the goodness from his heart. I only wish he had've taken as good care of himself as he did of others. I miss him.

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Draggin' A Dead Priest

" She's got a body for business
Got a head for sin
She knocks me over like a bowlin' pin...
She came home last night and said "Honey Honey Honey It's hard to get ahead"

My baby
My baby

She can build a boat .. She can make it float
(She's my baby ... She's my my baby)
She can play my guitar note for note
She likes to stick her "tounge" right down my throat
She's my baby My baby...."

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Posted by:

Rosalind

Subject: Pain Pain Pain

I just had a small vacation Roy
Spent it getting a root canal

And now I open the Gb to find that I have been called a schizophrentic nazi by some pansy without the balls to even post his first name. And I have to write a letter to Bill Clinton and James Coburn died. Good'bye A No 1 I loved you

I'm hobo on a freight train to heaven
And I ain't got no ticket
I'm just stealin' a ride
I ain't welcome aboard the train to the lord
But I bet he'll be glad that I tried.."

Dave Z - Thank you

Ben honey, You're such a breath of fresh air sometimes...Do you dance?

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Posted by:

Howard

Location: There's A Flood Out In California

Subject: George Harrison's Album

Am on my 4th listen through of George Harrison's posthumous album. I agree with Bayou Sam - it is a wonderful album full of George's famous slide guitar. I guess he hung out with the Band a little bit and loved the Big Pink album. Wonder if he ever jammed with them- Wow what a tape if it exists!!!!! One can only dream! Peace All

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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Hey, we passed through Omemee this summer on our way home from Woodstock... What'd we miss? I loved the Canadian Canoe Museum in Petersborough... and the whole trek north of Superior... btw, have any of you Canadian GBers explored the Quetico just north of the MN border? Or the Ontario coast of the Hudson Bay? Any good tourist spots? Any cool little towns stand out?

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Subject: Neil Young

I believe that Blind River, with Mort the dead hearse, is the star of "Long May You Run" rather than "Helpless".

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Neil Young / Town in North Ontario

I've been told over the years that the town in "North Ontario" was in fact "Blind River." Up near Paul Shaffer territory. I believe he had family there. Interviewing Ms. Glover tomorrow morning. Don't know if RR is going around to "radio' with her; but I know he is making the rounds.

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Posted by:

Bill

BEG: Your hometown provided a couple of the members of David Clayton Thomas's group the Bossmen, whom I mentioned in an earlier post today. I've been through Omemee at least once - certainly on a bus so must've been on the Ottawa-Peterborough-Toronto route. After Omemee, but before Winnipeg, Neil Young lived in Pickering - my own hometown. We even went to the same parks - if perhaps years apart. I also went to another park farther west in Pickering where Robbie Robertson used to go when he lived across the town line in Scarborough.

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Posted by:

Jenny T

Isn't there a list of three or four things you are never supposed to bring up in polite conversation? I think they are religion, money and politics. Maybe sex, too, though there are few vicious arguments here about that.

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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Neil Young

I was just about to go out the door.....One and a half hours left.....:-D.....and I just remembered Bill that I read another book on Neil....by David Downing "A Dreamer Of Pictures". He also believes that the town in North Ontario is most likely Omemee....Perhaps Neil should have appeared in the city where he was born....Toronto.....when SHAKEY first appeared in the bookstores....to clear this up for us Ontarians!

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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Neil Young

Bill: I don't know Neil personally or anyone who does...I just read a lot of books and watch a lot of Docs on my faves and music in general....

On the same page as the quote I just posted re Omemee....."and as his brother, Bob, states, "I think Neil would probably agree if there's anywhere either of us would point to as home, it would be Omemee.........In the summer of 1949, Scott Young bought a three-stroy turn-of-the-century house on five acres right in the centre of town (Omemee)....Neil would lead a Huck Finn existence there".....Neil also states that he enjoyed the dedication of the school in Omemee to his dad a lot......

I always wanted to know which city Neil sang about so as I was reading Shakey this is what Jimmy McDonough wrote.....Also whenever I watch Neil, Robbie, Rick, Richard, Garth and Joni (and honourary Canadian Levon) perform "Helpless" I always get choked up....It's also my Ma's absolute favourite of Neil's work............To tell ya the truth I've never even heard of Omemee......At least the small city where I grew up someone wrote a book about us.....:-D

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Posted by:

Location: nj

Subject: Rick v. The Band

With the baby settling into her little buzzy seat and a couple extra minutes to spare, I was thinking about Jim W's interview and the output of creativity from the Band vets. I looked at the credits for Ricks first solo outing and see that he was the principal writer or co-writer on every song (leaving the Sip the Wine debate behind), then one looks at Jericho and High on the Hog, and Rick writes nothing. What happened? Then Jubilation comes along and Rick gets two co-writing credits and inclusion the vague The Band. Then comes Times Like These, 3 new songs, 1 solo credit, 2 co. I'm leaving out his older songs.., I guess what I'm getting at is, Rick's first solo outing is arguably better than any of the 3 post LW outings and Times Like These ties if not beats Jubilation or Jericho in strength of writing/material.., So why didn't he write more in the Band? What happened to his voice in the group? Did he feel uncomfortable steering the Band ship? I just wonder where some of that great potential went during all those years and had he written more would the albums have beenstronger for it?..., Was he more interested in weaving the fabric of Band music then designing it? Maybe it's becasue I miss going to see him or it's just looking at this new life a few feet away from me, that it saddens me that such a talent didn't (from what i can interpret)make more of the gift he was given.., (this is hardly meant to be a slap at Rick who holds a very special place in me and my wifes heart as he was a wonderful, smiling, generous soul from the little that we knew him)

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Posted by:

Bill

JTull Fan: Toronto didn't have a Barrabas band as far as I know, but we did have Humble Sponge, who recorded a song called "Barrabas" (ca '68). The b-side was written by Bob Carpenter, whose name came up here a couple of weeks ago in a Peter Viney posting. (He also had songs recorded by Tom Rush, Brent Titcomb and others.)

"Brainwashed" is the title of a brilliant 45 by David Clayton Thomas and the Bossmen from 1966. Produced by Duff Roman, who'd produced the Hawks' first post-Hawkins session (a Toronto session that is confused in memories and books with a later session with Henry Glover in NY.) The song is notable in that its rather pithy social commentary didn't prevent it from being a big hit across Canada (though it was a total flop when released by Tower in the US).

Someone mentioned that they're currently reading "Shakey", the newish Neil Young biography. I was thumbing through it in a bookstore this very morning, wondering whether I should suggest to a select few that it might make an ideal Christmas gift for yours truly. The bit that I looked at closely certainly indicates a fair bit of original research (plus right-in-the-text attribution for facts gleaned from John Einarson and other earlier biographers). That part was all about Neil's days in Fort William (now Thunder Bay), the "town in north Ontario" that plays a starring role in "Helpless". Although the book doesn't make the following connections, I can: Steve Stills played Fort Bill in a rock group whose repertoire included Billy Edd Wheeler's "High Flying Bird". Young, then living in FB, and others pieced together a new group called High-Flying Bird. That group quickly fell apart, with Young and Ken Koblun continuing on to Toronto and the others staying in FB to form the Plague, who recorded a strong rock version of "High Flying Bird" (now a reasonably valuable collector's item). In time, the Plague changed its name to the Jarvis Street Revue, whose one LP was the first I ever bought for full price with my own money (see post last week in answer to the questionnaire). Aren't you glad I told you this?

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Posted by:

Bones

Brown-Eyed Girl: Thanks for answering the Bearsville studio question. The new Billboard Magazine has an article on Bearsville at Turtle Creek. It said that Garth Hudson and Robbie Robertson used to practice there in the late 60s, and the Muddy Waters Woodstock Album was one of the first recording projects there in the mid 70s.

Congrats to Dave Hopkins for answering correctly that Eric Clapton was the only guest that Bill Graham forgot to thank at the Last Waltz (Bill even thanked Carl Radle, Stephen Stills and the horn section).

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Loooooooooooooo See ?

But you must promise to report his reply verbatim. No interpretations permitted.

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Guestbook

I would like to see more posts in the Guestbook that I enjoy reading and less posts (or better yet - none) that I have to scroll past because they don't interest me.

I also wish that the rest of you would introduce topics that are of interest to me rather than me having to wrack my own brain trying to come up with them.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation!!

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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: caledonias survey

I forgot to mention one of my favorite bass players - Jack Bruce. Sorry, but the only Band member who made the cut was Garth.

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Location: Chaska, MN

Thanks for your list Kalervo... I'm real interested in exploring the best of world music... Hope you get your video soon John D... with autograph too... I myself am starting to get nervous about a Hawk book I ordered... one of those cool T-shirts too... Anyway, it looks like GBers are gearing up for an exciting New Year's Eve party... you lucky luckys...

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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: Nj

Who do you think is/was the most religious Band member?

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Posted by:

Ruby

Location: mass

Here Here John!!! If the talk about religeon and polotics is cause for argument yet a NEED to discuss why not keep it to emailing each other Keep this site what it should be meant for What better way to ring in the new year than with the barnburners and the Jim Weider band!! and of course all "the people" !! so much looking forward Have a good one peace

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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: 12-31-02

Is there going to be drinking avalable at the Bearsville Show???

people the only thing worse than Politics in a music GB is religion... how about we all stick to the music..and then no one gets insulted.. hopefully

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Posted by:

rosalind

Sometimes it's real hard for me not to speak with love and respect for Jesus. I know this guestbook is not a place to speak with love about Jesus. It's a place where, if his name is ever brought up at all, it must to be disrespectful to be accepted. Afterall, this is the world we live in in 2002. I would just like to say to end the subject that Jesus himself laid his life down. He came down here to do that and he did it. No Roman or Jew killed him. He had a job to do and he did it. Amen

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Posted by:

Susan

Location: Illinois

Subject: Radio show

Why thank you, Peter. I put some thought into it, and planned the radio show for the hour 4-5 on a November afternoon. The sequencing should move generally from slow to faster and end on The Healing Game to send the listener out at 5 pm into the light-spangled dusk. I also forgot to put 'Whispering Pines' on the list.

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Posted by:

Location: Nordic Country

Subject: Favorites

Favorite Dylan lyrics:

- All the tired horses in the sun,
how am I supposed to get any writing done?
(ooops, sorry, it should be "riding")

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Charlie Gillett compilations

I’d particularly like to hear Susan’s radio show.

Charlie Gillett compilations- back to these. I succumbed and decided to buy two. “Chicago” had sold out everywhere (it has some great soul from the likes of Major Lance as well as the obvious), so had “Los Angeles”. “New Orleans” is a hard one and I didn’t buy it because there have been so many compilations with the same title – Gillett gets on “Small Town Talk” to my delight, and while he has a scattering of the screamingly obvious he does always has surprises. I picked up “Memphis”, which has the originals of Further on Up the Road, Mystery Train and runs from Memphis Minnie to the North Mississippi all Stars. The star for me is New York. Tell me another compilation which has Tampa Red, Cab Calloway, John Coltrane, The Shangri-Las, The Flamingos, The Jaynetts, Ben E. King and Bob Dylan (Spanish Harlem Incident)? I think a Dion and a Velvet Underground were predictable, but he adds Talking Heads and Fun Lovin’ Criminals . I thought the major omission was Simon & Garfunkel- Sounds of Silence or The Boxer, but I guess permissions are impossible. Maybe he covered Garfunkel anyway by doing the Flamingos original of ‘I Only Have Eyes For You.’ I’d have expected a Four Seasons to complement the Dion, but still, highly recommended.

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Posted by:

rosalind

But...I must apologize for ... insensitivity toward the masses. I'm half Jewish myself. I hope I ain't gonna get called a nazi now just because I told a bible story. Someone asked a question and I answered it the best that I knew how.

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: wow...

Dave Hopkins - I was simply telling the biblical story of the crucifixion AS IT APPEARS in the King James Version of the Holy Bible. I did not write the Holy Bible. If you have criticism take them up with someone else. Good Luck. You'll need it.

Kalervo

Location: Rest Of the World
Web: My link

Subject: Relaxed Journey through Samhain to Christmas

KIIIIITOS!!! BROWN EYED GIRL!: I can' t hardly wait your Lovely Christmas mix...I am negotating with Santa if he would deliver my Finnish- Hawaiian Joulu - Kalikimaka - Christmas mix to you!

And thank you everybody for so interesting favorites. It is good to see such fine names here. Like Kate Rusby, Maria McKee, Raul Malo, Bruce Cockburn, Greg Brown and others...only thing saddens me is this discrimination of music from other cultures than Anglo-American...

Some AMERICAN guides who may make the world music journey easier:

ROBBIE' s Native albums show the way to other wonderful Native artists: John Trudell, Joanne Shennadoah, Walela, Ulali, Bill Miller, Mary Youngblood, Burning Sky, the person who should have Nobel Peace Prize:Buffy Sainte-Marie, etc...

GEORGE WINSTON, whose December is one of the most beautiful Christmas albums ever made, is a lover and provider (?) of Hawaiian music. He is the producer of Dancing Cat Records, a label for Hawaiian music like the mighty Keola Beamer, Leonard Kaapana, Pahinui brothers etc.

BOB BROZMAN: the real global traveller. With Bob you can make exciting musical journeys to Hawaii, West Africa, India, France, Okinawa (absolutely disarming music!), Australia, Reunion Island etc..Bob is a much-loved visitor even here in Finland, too.

RY COODER' s visits to Cuba is well-known.

The real master of Americana, VAN DYKE PARKS has always been an exampel for ´'you can dig deeper into your own music culture when you are open to everything happening in the world' . He is for instance a witty and hilarious guide for Carribean music.

DIANE JARVI, a singer-songwriter, guitarist and kantele player from Minnesota. One of the loveliest examples of the living Finnish-American culture. If you want to know what is Northern soul, listen to Diane' s records. In Minnesota there are some other fine artists who keep the Finnish- American connection live and fresh: KIP and ERIC PELTONIEMI, RUTH MCKENZIE etc

There are many other American guides of world music, too. The global musical treasury is endless, open for people with child-like wonder.

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Posted by:

Harry & Mim

Location: Bensalem, Bucks County, Pa USA

Subject: 12/31/02 - Bearsville Theatre

Friends:

To save some of you the trouble:

The LH Blues Band and Jim Weider Band (with guest artists) are playing at the Bearsville Theatre on New Years' Eve. Tickets (general admission- floor for $40 and reserved seating - balcony for $57.50) to be purchased through WDST Radio ((845)679-7266)- talk to Walt or the promotions director. This intimate venue seats 300, so don't wait if you want to plan a trip around this opportunity. Floor seats put you about 4 or 5 feet BELOW the stage, balcony seats put you at eye level with the performers, and how far back can they be in a three hundred seat hall?

Check out the Bearsville complex at their website and be advised that one of the two restaurants ("The Bear Cafe")located on the grounds of the complex has been featured in the November '02 issue of "Saveur" magazine. Best food in the area.

Places to stay include: The Kingston Holiday, Budget, Ramada & Knight's Inn(s); Twin Gables (Woodstock); Inn at Stone Ridge (Stone Ridge); Inn on the Millstream (Woodstock); and probably 2 or 3 more whose names escape me now.

We will travel up from the Philadelphia area (well worth the 3plus hour drive) and would love to meet fellow GB posters there. We can think of few things that would draw us "out" on NYE (usually a party night for the foolish) - a concert by these two bands is one of 'em. See you in Upstate New York to bring in the New Year.

"(What's so Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love & Understanding" - PLH,

Mim & Harry

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Subject: Lagniappe

BTW, that's the first time anyone's called me "regular"!

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Posted by:

Back with no wife in Tennessee

Whoo-hoo! Now I can also insult people who have never contributed anything to the site!

Even though I manually transcribed the Danko article, I swear I didn't add the "(with Robertson)" part. BUT, although I can't remember my feelings when I first read the article, I think now that the author probably added the parenthetical himself, assuming that Rick meant making an album with Robbie and the rest of the guys. If Rick had actually said that himself, they probably would have written it like, "I'd like to see The Band, with Robertson, make another album."

Like I tell 'em at the bank each week after getting my ten bucks, washing my hands and putting away my magazine, they'll be some more donations coming soon. Unfortunately for some, the rest are all Robbie interviews.

Here's my Dylan question - not being a churchgoer myself, what was the sign on the cross, and why does it worry him?

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Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Paul McCartney & Albert Einstein

Paul McCartney is a vegetarian - that's why he looks so good!!

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." -- Albert Einstein

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out There

Subject: " Harvey "

Oh, yea, I remember Harvey, I haven't seen that flick in
probably 35 or so years. I'm going to see if I can find it ...

Thanks Roz ...

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Posted by:

Fred

Just finished watching a Paul MacCartney interview on Japanese TV and two things come to mind:

1) why do Japanese interviewers ALWAYS ask very stupid (or is it stuuuuupid?!?) questions? This one concerned Paul's last visit with George: "Did you sing any Beatles' songs?" I have to say Sir Paul was rather gracious in his reply ("no, we didn't") but you could tell by the look in his eyes he wanted to slap this young Japanese woman upside the head!

2) Has Paul MacCartney made a deal with the Devil...he looks younger than I do and he's got two decades on me!!

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: 9th and Hennepin

You have an excellent memory Tiny Monster! Thanks ....

I think Waits musta got that line "And nobody brings anything small into a bar around here" from "Harvey". Remember Jimmy Stewart as Elwood P. Dowd sitting on a stump in back of the old bar where him and Harvey hung out? They were talkin' to that psychiatrist and his nurse and Elwood says, in his famous Jimmy Stewart slow Southern Pennsylvania drawl, "Well, Nobody ever brings anything small into a bar isn't that right Harvey?" "Harvey" is one of my very favorite movies. Jimmy Stewart was born and raised in Indiana Pa, about 40 miles from where I'm sitting and Harvey has been walking by my side since I was a little girl. I don't know what I would do without him...

Bayou Sam - Thanks

Amanda - Thanks

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Posted by:

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

9th & Hennepin

Well it's Ninth and Hennepin
All the doughnuts have names that sound like prostitutes
And the moon's teeth marks are on the sky
Like a tarp thrown all over this
And the broken umbrellas like dead birds
And the steam comes out of the grill
Like the whole goddamn town's ready to blow...
And the bricks are all scarred with jailhouse tattoos
And everyone is behaving like dogs
And the horses are coming down Violin Road
And Dutch is dead on his feet
And all the rooms they smell like diesel
And you take on the dreams of the ones who have slept here
And I'm lost in the window, and I hide in the stairway
And I hang in the curtain, and I sleep in your hat...
And no one brings anything small into a bar around here
They all started out with bad directions
And the girl behind the counter has a tattooed tear
"One for every year he's away", she said
Such a crumbling beauty, ah
There's nothing wrong with her that a hundred dollars won't fix
She has that razor sadness that only gets worse
With the clang and the thunder of the Southern Pacific going by
And the clock ticks out like a dripping faucet
'til you're full of rag water and bitters and blue ruin
And you spill out over the side to anyone who will listen...
And I've seen it all, I've seen it all
Through the yellow windows of the evening train...

Tom Waits

Sorry ... I couldn't resist. Besides
Rozlyn did it first

Ouch

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: questions

1st records: LP In The City-The Jam, SINGLE Oliver's Army-Elvis Costello

Last Cd Bought: The Fine Art Of Self Destruction-Jesse Malin

Heard\Discovered The Band:I'd heard "The Weight"(probably Woodstock Film or compilation)and liked it but about 18 months ago a friend of a friend gave me the Classic Albums documentary on VHS and said "I think you may like this" and I most certainly did and proceeded to go mad. I can't believe I never checked them out in detail earlier! They now recieve heavy rotation on the Lifeboy stereo.

Musical Family?: Dad tried Banjo but had sausage fingers so he part exchanged it for a guitar for yours truly when I was 14, I'm guitarist,singer\songwriter and sometimes harmonica player(in a brace like Bob)in band just recorded 4 song e.p. Got a little home recording setup.

Fave Musicians?

Too numerous to mention really so in no particular order.........

Guitar: Pete Townshend, Neil Young, Danny Whitten, Poncho Sampedro, Robbie Robertson, John Squire, Keith Richards,Steve Jones,Curtis Mayfield,Steve Cropper,Paul Weller.

Singers: Rick, Levon, Richard, Al Green, Steve Marriot, Rod Stewart, Kate Rusby, Jimmy Cliff, Curtis Mayfield, Johnny Rotten, Paul Weller, Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison, Chris Robinson, Iggy Pop, Smokey Robinson

Drums: Keith Moon, Ringo, Carlton Barrett, Levon.

Bass: John Entwhistle, Rick Danko, James Jamerson, Aston(Family Man)Barrett.

Keyboards\Piano: Garth, Richard, Rabbit Bundrick, Stevie Wonder, Ian Mclagan.

Guest DJ Slot: I really can't do this one there are so many but I do know it would be live from my living room on a Friday evening hosted by yours truly and friends all bickering about what goes on next. Everyone from the GB would be invited so you can all shout my corner in favour of The Band getting heavy rotation.In fact how about just slapping on TLW?

Fave Concert Memories: The Jam, The Black Crowes, Iggy Pop, The Kinks, The Strokes, Blur, U2, Kate Rusby

Artists and Writers: Pete Townshend, Neil Young, The Band, Bob Dylan, Oscar Wilde, George Orwell, John Steinbeck, Jackson Pollock, Peter Blake, Picasso, John Squire's sleeve artwork for The Stone Roses.

What books am I reading?: Just finished-Shakey:Neil Young's Biog-Jimmy Mcdonough. Just starting-Cannery Row- John Steinbeck

Levon Ice Cream: Levon's King Biscuit(doughnut and cola flavour)

Most beautiful places visited: Lake Guarda\Verona Italy....A few years ago myself and my fellow bandmates accepted the offer of somewhere to stay after a show in Aberdeen Scotland, after travelling up the East Coast for a while we stopped at this strange and large house to the sound of the sea and many birds, we slept in a large room with a roaring fire and sliding glass doors coated(the doors,not us!) with bird shit. I was awoken the next morning by the sound of birds and a friend beckoned me through the sliding doors, it turned out we were staying in a large kind of ski lodge that was built in the grounds of a ruined castle on a peninsula, I stepped on to a balcony to see we were surrounded on three sides by sea, it was rather misty but just straight ahead and a little way out to sea was a large rock covered in colourful Puffins, a surreal and beautiful site.....never would of thought such a romantic view would lay behind such shite splattered windows.Catskills next year hopefully.

Dylan Lyrics: It's Alright,Ma(I'm Only Bleeding), A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall, The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll,Visions of Johanna,I Want You,Sara,Idiot Wind,Last Thoughts on Woody Guthrie, many many others

Apologies for the length(story of my life).

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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: The most personal place in the world

"Do you cry? ...
Do you pray?...
Do you wish them away? ...
Are you still leaving nothing but bones in the way?
Did you bury the carnival... with the lions and all?
Excuse me while I sharpen my nails ...

And just who are you?
Who are you this time?
You look rather tired ...
Or are you pretending to love ...
I hear that it pays well ...
How do your pistol and your bible and your sleeping pills go? ..
Are you still jumping out of windows in expensive clothes? ...
Well I fell in love with your sailor's mouth and those wounded eyes ....
You'd better get down on the floor..
Don't you know this is war?..
Tell me, Who are you this time? ..
Tell me, Who are you this time? ..." --Tom Waits--

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Posted by:

Dave Hopkins

Location: Berkeley, CA

Subject: TLW Trivia

Bones: I believe the answer is...Eric Clapton.

Also, Bill thanks "Ronnie Woods."

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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Location: caledonia's survey

Last CD purchased- Bob Dylan Royal Albert Hall 1966

Favourite singers - Roger Daltrey, Richard Manuel, Paul Rogers, John Lennon

Lead guitar - Jeff Beck, Dickie Betts, Leo Kottke

Rhythm guitar - Pete Townshend (his rhythm is better than his lead)

Drummers - Keith Moon, Steve Gadd, Ginger Baker

Bass - John Entwistle, Bill Wyman, Phil Lynott

Keyboards - Garth, Gregg Allman

Harmonica - Dylan, Murray McGlaughlin Writers - WP Kinsella, Kurt Vonnegut, William Faulkner, Charles Dickens

First concert - Lighthouse 1972

Last book read - finally got around to reading "One flew over the cuckoos nest"

Favorite Dylan lyrics - (sic) Their any no water in the pump because the vandal stole the handle.

Musical family? - father played guitar, harmonica, and spoons, brother plays guitar, I tried harmonica but could not master it

Favorite concert memory - I've seen a lot of big concerts but my favorite memory comes from a lesser known band. In 1975 me and a friend went to see Gentle Giant. The opening act was Starcastle. Their lead singer was Terry Lutrell. He had sung lead on the firsr 2 REO Speedwagon albums. Starcastle were an ordinary band at best. It was a small crowd, around 1,500. After the concert Lutrell was walking thru the crowd with a girl on each arm. He stopped right in front of us and just starting talking to us. Aked us where we were from, how we liked the show, etc. Why he chose us to talk to, I have no idea. We talked for about 5 min. and then he wished us well and was gone. He took the chicks with him. A genuinely nice guy. There were a few more events that happened later. But thats for another time. Anyway, it was astrange and memorable night.

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Like List

Hey, hold on, I missed a couple ...

Tom Waits Lyrics;
"And I've seen it all, I've seen it all
through the yellow windows of the
evening train ...

Dylan Lyrics;
"The ghost of L'ectricity HOWELS in the bones
of her face ...

Most beautiful place ever visited;
The Grand Canyon ... (apparently none of you
have been there ...)

I don't even get this Levon Ice-Cream thing ...

Monday-Monday ...

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Posted by:

Bill

In rummaging through some bits of paper over the weekend I came across a November '73 clipping titled "Return of the 'Biscuit'". It's about Richard Newell and his new band, King Biscuit Boy and the Full Tilt Boogie (Newell, John Till, Richard Bell, Roly Sally, Clark Pierson and Graham Blackburn - Till, Bell and Pierson having of course been in the original FTB formed to back Janis Joplin). Finding it reminded me that a guy who played in a mid-'70s band with Till and Ken Kalmusky said that Albert Grossman had stopped the members of FTB from using that name after Joplin died - so presumably King Biscuit Boy and company were soon forced to find a new name.

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Posted by:

Susan

Location: Illinois

Subject: Caledonia's questions

First album - We Five - You Were On My Mind and also Music for the Baroque Oboe. This was a long time ago.

Last cd bought - The Moon Struck One. This is a Dutch Band compilation. The last cd placed on my wish list is Al Green's Greatest Hits.

Band discovery - It was a long time ago, but was probably through Rolling Stone articles and reviews. I know I bought Big Pink in 1968.

Musical family? No, my family is not musical. Many of us cannot carry a tune. My mother plays the piano, and my grandmother was a decent singer and pianist - she used to play for local entertainment back in pre-radio days, but none of us inherited her talent. I play the flute very badly, and own a lever folk harp that I can't really tune properly. I live with a semi-pro guitar player, but his playing options have grown fewer lately.

Favorite musicians - I don't really think that way. I tend to have serial obsessions with various kinds of music, and I'm not always aware who is doing the playing. Van Morrison has always been a constant for me. I have not paid a lot of attention to his musicians, except that I appreciate Pee Wee Ellis. Singers I've especially liked - Linda Ronstand, Linda Thompson, Loreena McKennit, Maria McKee, the singer in the Mavericks, the lead singer for Los Lobos, Lowell George. Singers I'm getting into now - Ray Charles, Bobby Charles, Bobby Bland, Etta James.

I like good sax lines in songs but I'm not always aware who the musician is.

Guest DJ
Ok, it's 4 pm on a gray November afternoon. Here's my list. It has not been properly sequenced, but here are the songs

Hey, Mr. DJ - Van Morrison. Po' Boy - Dylan. Lonesome Susie - Band. Lonely Avenue - Ray Charles. Viva Las Vegas - Shawn Colvin, from the Tribute to Doc Pomus. Don't Do It - Rock of Ages , What About Now - Storyville Between Trains - King of Comedy. Need for You - Kevin Doherty, Strange Weather. Breathe - Maria McKee, Fever - Little Willie John. Spanish Moon - Little Feat. Hot Burrito 1 - Mavericks from Return of the Grievous Angel. Healing Game - Van Morrison.

Favorite artists - I'm not all that visually aware. I see paintings I like and decorative objects that appeal but I'm not really aware of the names of artists. There's a Larry Kanfer calendar in my kitchen and an Ansel Adams calendar in my office.

Favorite writers - hmmm I always buy anything that C.J. Cherryh publishes. I have a lot of Bobby Ann Mason's work. I have a plan to read Mason and Dixon by Thomas Pynchon this winter.

Last book read - I tend to keep several books going at once and read one or another depending on available time, mood, ability to concentrate and how heavy the book is to carry around. I'm currently reading Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister by Gregory Maguire, The Fall of Kings, by Ellen Kushner, Can You Feel The Silence by Heylin (the new Van M biography) and How We Know What Isn't So by Thomas Gilovich.

Levon's ice cream - how about Levon's Lemon Blues: Lemon ice cream with whole blueberries mixed in

. Most beautiful place visited - Colorado Rockies

Favorite Dylan lyrics - Time and love has branded me with it's claws.

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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: X-mas tunes

Hey Brown-eyed Girl, is there any way you could burn another copy? Sounds cool, and, yes, eclectic. And where did you find Diana Krall, Anita Baker, AND Judy Garland singing together? Is it one of those Natalie/Nat King Cole type of things?

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Posted by:

Michael

Location: Northumberland, England
Web: My link

Subject: Favourite verisons

My favourite 'The Band plays The Band' moment is without doubt WS Walcott from TLW. Rick sounds like he's having a blast. In fact, they all do.

Turn it up and you'll see what I mean...

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Posted by:

Location: boston

Subject: Q & A

Albums bought - 1st, either Greetings from Asbury Park or Al Stewart's Past, Present and Future. Most recent that I'm listening to, Alison Krauss and US live, most recent that hasn't arrived yet Up The Country wih a cover of Rockin' Chair. Discovered The Band one summer at the beach when I found a box of my older sister's cassettes that contained Santana, Stand, Deja Vu, Big Pink and some others. I listened to them all on my shoebox sized player, but spent most of my time trying to figure out the lyrics to most of BP (Chest Fever "I've no cheese and crackers" What?) We Can Talk was then and is now my favorite song.

I came from a non - musical family, but my kids play piano and harmonica, and one wants a mandolin and a trombone. I noodle on a telecaster.

Singers - Rick and Richard, John Hiatt, Bruce Springsteen and Cockburn, Shelby Lynne and Lucinda Williams. Guitar - RR, Gatton, Buchanan, Weider, Duane and Dicky and Gurf Morlix 'cause I liked Lucinda better when he was with her and he has a great name. As for Bass, drums, keyoard etc., other than The Band I have no strong opinions.

It would take me months to pick an hours worth of songs and I would never survive the process. Concert memory - Bruce on the Born to Run tour and John Hiatt solo this past summer with my kids, and Rick solo in Foxboro MA, shortly before the Japan thing, when he signed my Band hat and gave me a pick.

Favorite writer - myself. As a kid I read adult fiction, as an adult I read children's fiction. I like Linda Sue Park, Sachar, Lowrey, Creech, Laurens van der Post and a zillion others. Currently reading and re-reading two adult non-fiction, Stephen King's On Writing and A History of God by Armstrong. Most unreadable book Invisible Republic.

Beautiful place - Inside the smokey Boston Garden before they tore it down. Ice Cream - Levonilla Southern Freeze.

Favorite John Hiatt Lyrics - "There are only two things in life, but I forget what they are."

"Just when you think you can let it rip, you're pounding the pavement in your daddy's wing tips."

"I'm driving in my car, I've got the radio down. And I'm yelling at the kids in the back, 'cause they're banging like Charlie Watts. You think youv'e come so far, in this one horse town. And she's laughing that crazy laugh, 'cause you haven't left the parking lot."

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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: whats new

Lots of interesting updates. Thanks for the Rick Danko pieces, I cant get enough of Ricky and his music. Many thanks.

Thid Bearsville theatre new years show has got me a little exited myself. I wasnt planning to go anywhere for the holidays but this is very interesting. How big is this theatre?

Will Robbie be there? (I know, bad taste- down with good taste, as MAD Magazine used to say.)

As always, dig the Photos of Crabgrass. they are painterly and cinematic. Crab, your photos remind me in some ways of Francis Bacon paintings. thats a compliment. Are you familiar with them? Sounds weird maybe but he did those screaming Popes in Glass boxes and alot of bizarre imagery. Great texture, gritty, deep deep space.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Rick and TLW

Well before TLW, Rick was talking about how The Band wasn't busy enough for him, how he needed to do more musically than what the group was doing. As a result, he pursued a solo recording contract which he signed in early 1976. It would be interesting to find out the recording schedule from the sessions for his first album and see how they dovetail with Islands. Whatever that case may be, I trust the words of the principals at the time rather than latter day evolutions.

The Rick quote concerning The Band recording again is sadly ironic, given the background to Storyville. Still, the reputed misgivings concerning TLW--for the reasons I posted earlier--simply don't hold water for me. No one can tell me that: a) they weren't ready, even eager, to move on, b) that the movie wasn't a brilliant way to say goodby, and c) that they didn't have a ball doing it.

Shape I'm In from BTF is huge. In fact, add When You Awake, Endless Highway, and Stage Fright to that. I'd say Dixie but TLW version may be definitive, and Wheel's On Fire from the Winterland boot is right there.

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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: questionare

first album purchased: Harry Chapin Greatest Stories Live

last album purchased: Greg Brown's Iowa Waltz

Discovered the Band: back around 1991 heard Atlantic City and said this music is for me! of course I had the Band's Greatest hits but at the time was more into Leon Russell and I saw Leon Russell, Johnny Winter, and The Band were playing on the 4th of July at Stratton Mtn VT and ever since I have loved the Band!!

Musical Family: my oldest brother Jim started playin pipe orgain for a church in Rutland when he was 12 years old now he is 33 (Garth and my brother would get along great) and is a music proffessor at Green Mountain College in Poultney VT and is the Music Director at a church in Woodstock VT... he also plays about a dozen other musical instraments... I have been known to play some Harmonica once in a while...

favorite singers: Levon, Rick, Richard, Cocker, Van, JT, John Hammond,Richie Havens, Greg Brown, David Crosby, Graham Nash

Favorite Gutarist: John Hammond, Robert Johnson, Leo Kottke, Jorma, Jim Weider, Stills, Buddy Guy, all acoustic blues guys!!

Drums: LEVON & RANDO

Keys GARTH, Chris Stantion..

Bass: Danko,Lesh

Concert Memory: Levon and the fellas at Trebeca Blues, Sackets Harbor, and The Band at Carnigie Hall (last time I saw the Bands..

last book: Richie Haven's book..

Levon ice cream "Levon Helm's BLUESberry Crunch"

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Rick

"The optimist that I am, I'd like to see The Band (with Roberston) make an album together."

Don't know about the rest of you guys but those final words in Rick's interview just about cut me up. If any of us ever had any doubt where Rick's heart lay then the emphasis on that word 'optimist' in the context of the rest of the interview sure showed that wonderful fellow's umbilical cord could never be severed. Love you Rick.

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Posted by:

Bill

IKTM: Thanks for the correction regarding Morrison's gravesite. In Paris they say "cimetieres", which can be translated equally correctly into cemetaries or graveyards. Both words make it into pop songs - "Full Moon In Pisces" by Brent Titcomb hops to mind as an example of the former; CCR's "Graveyard Train" of the latter. Any Band songs? (Dylan doesn't count.)

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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Here's my Caledonia Q&A... Ben & Jerry "Levon" flavor: BBQ Sushi... to be drunk as part of a Classic Coca Cola float... Fav Dylan lines: Girl From the North Country... Most beautiful place: Near Ely, MN... Good books/writers: Sigurd F. Olson, and a book I think Roz maybe recommended under another name "Neither Wolf Nor Dog"... Fav artists: Emily Carr, a childhood friend named Lorrie, and my kids... Fav shows: Taking my folks to Arlo, 4 times at least getting to hear "If You Could Read My Mind", seeing TLW on big screen as a kid, watching Mac Davis Show on TV, Garth doing Chest Fever and Scarlet Begonias with the Crowmatix, Levon & Amy doing Wang Dang Doodle, my first few moments of hearing the JWB (like starting off a roller coaster ride by going down the biggest hill)... and lastly, seeing Garth shaking his leg after wheeling back to Maud for a smooch between songs in London... What were the other questions? Last book, new book is a blur because I read a few at same time each week... Fav singers: DFA, Trudell, Walela, Amy, Miss Marie, Maud... Fav guitar: Lanois, Robbie, N. Young, various Fleetwood Mac, Weegie and DeMicco, and Pete Rivard... Drums: Levon, Primeaux & Mike, Bengali Bauls, Allmans double attack... Bass: Rickie & his elbows... Piano: Garth, Dr. John, Chuck Lavell... Musical family: My granddad toured the world in the late 20's but you would'nt know him... My bro went to Berkeley... How I came to the Band: via ROA... I daydream about Whistle Stop or Strawberry Wine coming out of the fog to me though... Last CD: I just picked up a Buddy Rich Gene Krupa one... 1st LP was probably a Beatles compilation (that blue one)... and for some reason we had several Dylan books in my home but no LPs?... Maybe my folks hid them with the booze...

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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Subject: TLW as a Movie/Illusion

Indeed, it WAS widely reported and well-documented that Rick Danko was happy to be moving on and looking forward to a solo career after TLW.......

........just like it was reported that Brian Jones was happy to be moving on when it was announced he was leaving the Stones in June 1969.........

Mostly everyone puts aa "Up" spin on things when they're launching a solo career......

What the heck was Rick gonna do or say? That he was pissed off with everything?........Maybe he should have.......mighta sold more records for him.........

All you have to do is look at him when he talks to Scorcese during the "Sip The Wine" segment.....the way he puts his head down.......in slo-mo......

Oh no....wait a minute.....THAT was an illusion, too...........

Anyway, the point of my last post was to point out that it's really difficult for me to read RR interviews promoting TLW on new formats (or anything else to do with The Band) AFTER having been here on The GB and processing SOOO much info on The Band...........anyone else find that?

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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Lord Protect My (Stubborn) Child(ren)

Amanda: I love that Lord Protect My Child too. It's how I (and probably almost every other parent) feel about my guys, even though some days they make me take a mental.

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Rosalind

I care and I love your Levon ice cream flavor...

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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: Deep southwest Pa.

Subject: Not that anyone really cares but.....

First album bought : Desperado _ Eagles Dec 1973

Last album bought : Kindred Spirits _ it's ok I really like "Folsum Prison Blues" sung by Keb'Mo'

Discovered The Band at the age of 11 in an old wooden crate at the bottom of UPS box in 1970. Discovered The Band the second time while looking thru the June 22 1978 issue of "Circus" Magazine (the one with RR on the cover.) Said to myself "I gotta see that movie" and I did.

Is my family musical: My dad always said he made more prison records than Johnny Cash ....... and ya' know, he was probably right. My Mother plays the autoharp and the hammer dulcimer. I play mandolin, guitar and harmonica and a little bit of piano.

Favorite singers:
Ralph Stanley
Del McCoury
John Starling
David Parmley (of the Bluegrass Cardinals)
Chet Baker
Bessie Smith
Richard Manuel
Gram Parsons
Billy Holiday
Tommy Scott

Favorite Guitarists:
Roy Buchannon
Robbie Robertson
Merle Travis
Skip James
Robert Johnson
Albert Collins

Banjo: Ralph Stanley

Mandolin:
Jesse McReynolds
Ronnie McCoury
John Duffy

Drums: Mr. Leven Helm

Bass: Mr. Rick Danko

Keyboards Mr. Garth Hudson
Skip James

Concert Memory:
I don't like to be entertained by live music.

Writers:
Eudora Welty
Tennessee Williams
Thomas Wolfe (The one who wrote "The Web and The Rock)
James Ellroy
David Goodis
Nick Tosches

Last book read
The Last Opium Den _ Nick Tosches

Most beautiful place ever visited"
High Atop lookout Mountain back behind Ft. Paine, Alabama

Favorite Dylan Lyrics

" Your sister sees the future ....
Like your Mama and yourself ...
You never learned to read or write ....
There's no books upon your shelf.....
And your pleasure knows no limits ....
Your voice is like a meadowlark .....
But your heart is like the ocean ....
Mysterious and dark ....

Favorite John Prine Lyrics:"
I walked in the restaurant for something to do ..
The Waitress yelled at me and so did the food ...
And the water tastes funny when your far from your home ..
But it's only the thirsty that hunger to roam ...
The clock played the drums and I hummed the sax ...
And the wind whistled down the railroad tracks....

Favorite Tom Waits Lyric: (hard one)
"There are places where they never sleep....
And the circus never ends...
So I will take the Marley Bone coach and be whistlin' down the wind....
So I will take the Marley Bone coach and be whistlin' down the wind ....."

Levon Ice Cream: Banana-nut Cherry tittie twirl

I ain't done, I have a tooth-ache .

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Caledonia

Caledonia: Here are my answers to your questions. The Dylan lyrics were hard to choose and I know I missed many songs. I'm sorry it took so long. I'm looking forward to your answers as well.

1. What is the first album/cd you ever bought? The first 45 I bought was "Crying In The Chapel" by Elvis Presley. I was eight. The first album I bought with my own money was Grease The Soundtrack. I was ten and in love with John Travolta. The first cd I bought was Blood On The Tracks, Bob Dylan.

2. What is the last cd you bought? Various Artists: Cocktail Mix, Vol. 2:Martini Madness, Rhino

3. How/when did you discover the Band? I first discovered The Band when I was 18. I was doing laundry one night and my neighbor had a copy of The Last Waltz. I kept stopping in at intervals and watching the film.

4. Is your family musical? Do you play any instruments? I do not play an instrument. I have ten people in my family who are musicians. All self-taught and one who was a professional. Mostly guitar, some harmonica and one mandolin player.

5. Who are your favorite singers/guitar players/drummers/bass players/piano players? Singers: Levon Helm, Bob Dylan, Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, Guy Clark, Stevie Nicks,Otis Redding,Iggy Pop, Doyle Bramhall Sr. Guitar: Carl Perkins, Paul Burlison, Buddy Guy, Robbie Robertson. Drummers: Levon Helm, Doyle Bramhall Sr.-both singing drummers! Bass Players: Rick Danko. Piano/Organ: Garth Hudson

6. If you could be a guest DJ on your favorite radio station for one hour, what songs would you play? The Band: Jemima Surrender,The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down,Time To Kill,Ophelia,It Makes No Difference,Livin' In A Dream. Guy Clark: Anyhow I Love You,She's Crazy For Leavin',Stuff That Works. Hank Wedel: Sad Beauty. Garth Hudson: Little Island. Stevie Nicks: It's Only Love. Richard Manuel: Miss Otis Regrets, Chest Fever. Doyle Bramhall Sr.: Change It, You Don't Know Me. Rick Danko: Sip The Wine,Twilight. Jimmie Dale Gilmore: Tonight I Think I'm Gonna Go Downtown,After Awhile,No Lonesome Tune. Bob Dylan: All I Really Want To Do,Can't Help Falling In Love,I Want You,Po Boy,Idiot Wind. Levon Helm: You Got Me,Take Me To The River, Hound Dog w/ Mavis Staples. Otis Redding: I've been loving you too long. Iggy Pop: Shades

*I think my show would be longer than an hour...

7. Do you have a favorite concert memory? I got to see Elvis in concert when I was eight years old. I remember the performance somewhat, but mostly the hysteria of the women stands out. I wore a big gaudy Elvis pendant around my neck for a long time after that. It was kind of a replica of one of those flashy necklaces he wore. Bless my Mother for indulging me like that. I would say the change your life concert was the first time I saw Bob Dylan. I was so young and went on a lark with a few friends. It was storming outside and we were under an ampitheater. I was on the front row, stood up on my chair through the entire show (one of those obnoxious types, I know). I was so close to him. Dylan kept looking at me from under his eyebrows and twice gave me the famous lop-sided smile. I've never been the same.

8. Who are your favorite artists and writers? Artists: Dante Gabriel Rossetti, Johann Houser, some Dali, Picasso and Pollock

Writers: Maya Angelou, Pat Conroy, Eudora Welty, Flannery O'Connor

9. What is the last book you read and/or what book are you reading now? Last book: Let Me Hear Your Voice, Catherine Maurice. Current book: Pre-Raphaelite Sisterhood, Jan Marsh.

*If you have never read about the Pre-Raphaelite period of art...you must...it is just as spicy as any rock and roll story.

10. If Ben & Jerry's created an ice cream for Levon, what flavor should it be and what should it be named? Levon's Drumming Dreamsicle, Levon's Divinity Blues. I've got a couple for Robbie too: Robbie's Kold Kiss Kahlua, Robbie's Brittle Soul Nut Crunch

11. What is the most beautiful place you've ever visited? Arkansas Ozarks and The Grand Canyon

12. What are some of your favorite Dylan lyrics? "Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again", "Idiot Wind", "Shelter from the Storm", "Po' Boy", "Lord Protect My Child", "Sara", "Your Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go", "What Can I Do For You?", "All I Really Want To Do", "I Want You", "Sugar Baby", "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll".

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Posted by:

BK

Location: nj

Subject: favorite versions

When I heard the ROA version of Rockin Chair on the reissue, it was like hearing it again for the first time. Richard completely nailed it that night!

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Posted by:

Fred

The Last Waltz version of This Wheel's on Fire. I prefer it to the Big Pink and Rock of Ages versions. To be honest I don't care for the Big Pink version that much. It just sounds better on TLW.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Band songs best live

I'll join the thread. I prefer TLW's version of THe Shape I'm In, with Richard's rougher voice, The TLW of The Weight w/ the Staples, and ROA's version of Unfaithful Servant, King Harvest, and Caledonia Mission.

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Posted by:

Subject: Possible Thread

Not too much room here for a thread; but it's something to think about. I was listening to TLW yesterday and Rick Danko singing "IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE." To me is is the BEST version of he and THE BAND performing this song. I prefer it over the original studio version. With that said.......anyone else who has particular versions of any given BAND song that they prefer?

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Posted by:

Graham Barrett

Location: England

Subject: Band cd/cd-r Trades Wanted

Adress; 92 Southern Court, Hill Street, Stoke-on-Trent, Staffs,ST4 1NE, ENGLAND. Trades wanted.....I have 100s of hours on cd-r The Band,Dylan, Wanted...Crossing the great divide (scorpio) Tree with roots (white bear) originals or cd-r trade ..write me...Graham

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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Happy Holiday Music!

Kalervo: Since you got us all into the holiday spirit by wishing all of us a Happy Holiday here is a Holiday CD I just burned for you...Eclectic like you and I...Jazz, Soul, Spanish, Reggae, Rhythm and Blues, Blues, Rock and Roll.....and more!

Ave Maria...Nina Hagen
Have Yourself A Merry Christmas...Diana Krall, Judy Garland, Anita Baker
Peace On Earth/Little Drummer Boy...Bing Crosby and David Bowie
Merry Christmas Baby...Otis Redding, B.B. King, Bruuuuuuce (fans must have copied Louuuuu's fans!)
Felice Navidad...Jose Feliciano
Someday At Christmas...Steve Wonder
White Christmas...Boney M
O Little Town Of Bethlehem...Elvis Presley
Christmas Must Be Tonight...ROBBIE ROBERTSON (one more day before my zoom lense catches him in Toronto!)
We Are The World...U.S.A For Africa
Do They Know It's Christmas Time?...Band Aid
People Get Ready...Rod Stewart and Jeff Beck
Winter Wonderland...Louis Armstrong
Put A Little Love In Your Heart...Al Green and Annie Lennox
Christmas In Prison...John Prine

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Posted by:

Laura Holt Lorfing

Location: Houston

Subject: Pawling

Just wanted to say thanks to Butch for the guestlist and to Lil, Dave, Ed and Donna for your travel suggestions. I am very excited at the possibilty of flying out there to see this show. I found some doable airfares flying into LaGuardia so everything seems to be falling into place. I really hope to meet some of you Gb'ers that live out that way. I was thinking to myself...what a great way to wrap up the year. Now I get to stress about the possibility of driving in snow.....a completely foreign thing to us Texans LOL!!

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: TLW

It appears to me that the supposed "illusory" nature of TLW is a type of historical revisionism. It wasn't until 1983 that anybody associated with The Band said anything bad about the group's history, and it wasn't for another 10 years that we heard about the conflicting feelings raised by the movie. However, it is well documented that at the time Rick was happy to be moving on, especially since he had signed a solo deal before The Band decided to stop touring. Levon got himself a solo contract under the auspices of the RCO AllStars, and Garth was out touring with a number of people. It seems only Richard failed to move on. It is only latter day interpretations of the events--contradictory in the extreme--that give us all the supposed conflict.

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: "My Link"

In the interest of fair and impartial journalismn of course ...

They DO report the news Ray ...

; ^ ) ~

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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Subject: Bo Diddley Diddley Diddley

Bo Diddley was here last night, for those of you who have had the privledge you know what Im talkin about and for anyone who hasn't had the chance to see this ledgend live if ya get the chance don't pass it up. He mixed it up beatifuly, jamming, telling storys, and just being a really cool dude, "Manish Boy" was a highlight along with his ending number "Who do Ya Love" all I can say is what thrill, I'll never forget it.........

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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Tiny Monster's link

...that's one hell of a link you've provided for us...I've heard of Fox News, but this takes the cake, Thanks!

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Posted by:

Dexy

Web: My link

Subject: Levon - a study....

Don't know why I stumbled across this (via Yahoo), but it appears to be some student's list of various American Studies reports. Scroll down to "Levon Helm."

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Posted by:

Karl Wallendszus

Location: Oxford, UK

Subject: Mojo/top 100s

Peter V: I share your irritation with the proliferation of "Top 100" features. That was one reason I switched from reading Q to Mojo a few years back. Q got to the point where every other issue seemed to be filled with the 100 best (increasingly contrived) something or other. It seems to me to be a cheap way of filling up a magazine without writing proper articles. I hope Mojo doesn't go down the same route.

Speaking of Mojo, did you notice the not-very-cryptic reference to a certain "corpulent mystery man", as they put it, in the news section of the latest issue?

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Da List

First album;
Simon & Garfunkel ... The first one ...

Last CD bought;
The Tiki Bar Is Open ... John Hiatt

Discovered The Band;
Big Pink ... I discribed this in a post some time ago.
I was VERY high on LSD and in a friends, fathers, TV-Stereo
repair shop when it was closed ... It changed my life ...

Musical Family?;
My Mother played the piano quite well.
I took lessons for about a year, only because the teacher
had large breasts ...

I started out as a "Lead Singer" in Jr.High, then went to the drums,
then bass, then guitar ...
I do OK for a Carpenter ...

Favorite Singer;
John Hiatt, male, Riki Lee Jones, female.

Guitar;
Eric Clapton

Drums;
Jim Keltner

Bass;
Phil Lesh

Piano;
Johnny Johnson

DJ for An Hour;
The Band, John Hiatt, Buddy Guy, The Beatles,
Grateful Dead, Mozart, Chopin ...

Favorite Concert Memory (this is the hardest);
After some consideration ... If I had to choose ONE;
Paul Simon on his Graceland Tour ... unbelievable.

Favorite Artists and Writers;
Monet & William Styron respectively

Book I'm Reading Now;
A Beautiful Mind, Sylvia Nasar

The forgoing list is subject to change at any time.

Above All Peace

; ^ )

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Posted by:

more from "I know..."

Subject: Noir

Go to Google, type Victor Noir, first site you get shows his shiny crotch. I am sure that Viney has already admired it.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: CD Repair

Bayou Sam: I've see the cd repair kits for around 20 bucks. These are the ones that sand down the scratches. You have a long way to go before you get to the data, which is on the underside of the label, which is extremely thin. Try breaking a cd sometime; you'll see. (One you don't like, that is!)Before you go through the trouble, I'd recommend trying to copy the cd in question and burn it to a rewritable cd. In my experience, some players are better at reading damaged cd's than others, and it's possible a computer drive may be able to read it, and once you've burned a fresh copy you're problem is solved. If anything, you will have a backup of the 'healthy' tracks should the remedy make the problem worse.

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Posted by:

I know, trust me.

Subject: Victor Noir

I've not read the book about Victor Noir that Viney recommends, but I see why it would be fun. Instead of wasting time looking for Morrison, check Noir's grave if ever you visit the Pere Lachaise Cemetery. He's in Division 92. Noir was a journalist in mid 19th century in Paris. He criticized Pierre Bonaparte, Napoleon III's cousin, and was shot to death by him in return. His monument is a notable work of funerary, showing Noir life-sized even to his top hat, and is thought to have special powers. Young wives, wishing to get pregnant, have traditionally rubbed a certain portion of his anatomy for luck. Judging by the brightness of the area, one might conclude that this, like most myths, has some validity. The hat serves as a receptacle for prayers and love notes.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: CD repair

I have a question for you audiophiles out there.

I want to try repairing a CD that has a scuff mark on it, and it causes "jump" on three tracks. I've never tried to repair a CD. I've discovered that there are two methods of repair - one fills in the scratchs like repairing a dent in a car. The other actually shaves down the protective plastic on the music side of the CD. The second one is more expensive, and I wonder just how much you can shave off before you get to the data and destroy the CD.

Have any of you done this stuff. Any opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks

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Posted by:

frank

Location: bucks county, pa.

Subject: harry & mim {chicken man}

It was told to me that Phil Testa was called chicken man because of all the wrinkles on his neck made him look like he had chicken skin. take care, frank

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Posted by:

Hank

Location: Cork
Web: My link

Saw the interview w/RR in "Uncut"......and thought of y'all..........

I thought the way RR explained the Groucho Marx mask-taped sniffy noises- tooting room backstage at TLW was....awkward......

It's very strange reading RR in interviews after spending time here in the GB........

.........it's like, the general public, Norah Jones and anyone else who catches TLW for the first time:

A. don't know

B. don't WANNA know

C. don't EVEN care about........

what went on backstage....or who was bitching with whomever......

That's completely understandable............you see it here all the time....

"Hello......my name is Jennifer and my best friend Sally made me watch TLW last night and i fell in love with Rick Danko.......how can I contact him?....Rock on The Band......my Dad has all your records!!!!!"

That sorta thing........

All they see... and wanna see, for the most part....is a joyous, well filmed and recorded event.......a certain amount of bittersweet humour......and loadsa of well-known rock star celebrities at the prime of life........so, like all great movies, it's an illusion......

.........and because it's out on new formats, it STILL promoted the way a great movie/illusion is.........the whole "feud", so to speak, is dismissed as

"Well, those guys weren't interested in all that movie stuff".......

True enuff.....but what they REALLY weren't interested in was splitting up and stopping gigging, writing and recording.....for the sake of a great movie..........

I've no problem w/RR quitting gigging and doing what he's done...more power to his elbow, as they say 'round these parts.....but what WOULD be REALLY interesting on the DVD would be a scenario of getting Levon and Garth to talk about TLW scene by scene in tandem with RR........and DON'T tell me that could NOT have been done......sure it could have.....if the people putting the DVD together WANTED it to happen............

But, of course, THAT would run contrary to the idea of promoting TLW as a great Movie/Illusion.......so it ain't gonna happen...........

I can't wait for The DVD of "Let it Be"........apparently, the film dudes who worked on "Let it Be" were very pissed off when they saw the movie because, despite the tension, they said The Beatles were hilarious to work with and it wasn't all that bad........

The album that Keith Richards compiled for "Uncut" is top class............free w/ the magazine!

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Posted by:

Location: ny

Does anyone here know if Richard happened to attend the wedding of Eric Clapton and "Layla" in March 1979? I was flipping through a book on EC last night and there is a photo of a smal group on people and the guy on the end sure looks like Richard. Maybe I'll try to figure out how the heck to make a link out of the photo to show people - or I'll send it to Jan and if it is RM he can stick it in the photos section. if he'd like to.

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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Happy : ) and Unhappy : ( Birthdays!!

Martin Scorsese, Gordon Lightfoot, Gene Clark, and Jeff Buckley.

[Click "My link" for further info.]

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: cabs and such

I've actually experienced the reverse of 'the American abroad' syndrome as described out here. Back in the late 80's/early 90's I visited Montreal several times. I would find that when visiting retail establishments like shoe stores, etc. the salestaff would ignore me because I was an english speaker. Once, one overheard me say something to a companion about 'once we get home to Connecticut', and they immediately approached me, remembered that they could speak perfect english, and offered assistance. It turns out, as they later explained to me, that they thought I was an english speaking CANADIAN, and that was why I was getting poor treatment. It seems this was back when Quebec secession sentiment was running strong. I also had an experience in London while taking one of the famous black cabs back to the Hilton after the pubs closed. The driver wanted to talk politics and we ended up discussing it (not an argument at all)for over an hour curbside! Although I have had some harrowing New York cab rides, the great majority of them have been pleasant. In fact, I would have to say New York cabbies overall are my favorite. Last may in Las Vegas my boss and I had the cabbie from hell, or actually Armenia as we later discovered. He was weaving and speeding recklessly, so my boss tried to converse with him to mellow him out (thus we learned of his Armenian citizenship)After begging him to slow down, he slammed the gas and went 60 mph through a red light prior to dropping us at the front of the Vegas Hilton. When we were all out of the cab, I got in his face and told him that 'you have balls the size of Mt. Ararat....' at which my boss (who was born in Lebanon and knows an inflammatory remark when he hears one) turned beet red. Fortunatley for all involved the Hilton doormen at that point intervened to keep the cab line moving. We then hit the bar and had a good laugh.

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Posted by:

Fred

I forgot to mention that the aforementioned social studies teacher was an avowed MAOIST (Mao's China was paradise on Earth) and at the time she was rather young (early 30s) and come to think of it she did have a nifty little sports car!

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Posted by:

Subject: Nancy

...I don't know. I had never seen anything like that before. Her team and a CNN crew filmed the thing and I only caught the last twenty minutes or so and even that shared the hell out of me.

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Posted by:

Fred

That's why people from the US used to sew the Maple Leaf on their backpacks while trekking throughout Europe twenty or so years ago. I avoided a beating at the hand of two thugs when I was about 14 (and living in Italy) when my Italian friend told them I was Canadian rather than American. "Oh we like Canadians" they said. They even apologized..how nice of them. I gained two new friends that day, whether I wanted to or not. AND I still got to keep all of my teeth and blood!!!

Even one of my teachers at school in Italy (the equivalent of Grade 8) used to go on and on about American Imperialism and then she'd always look at me. Finally one day I got a bit miffed and I questioned her ability in being a social studies teacher because she couldn't remember the fact that she had a student from Canada not the US in her class. Needless to say I got sent to the principal's office.

Unfortunately in Japan ALL westerners ARE from AMERICA."Oh you are American, right?" To which I reply "well, I'm from Canada WHICH is on the continent of NORTH America. So technically you could say that, but the passport DOES have the word CANADA and the coat of arms of Canada on it, so..." My European friends living in Japan get more ticked off 'cause they can't use that North American spiel.

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Posted by:

nancy

How many opinions did Oprah's team elicit and then edit before coming up with that show??

Isn't her show big on sensational hype and light on substance?

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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: USA

Subject: "The Self-Made Man Who Worships His Creator"

I was switching channels on the TV about a month ago and ran into an Oprah Winfrey show. Her people and the people of a big news network had crossed the globe asking regular folk on the street what they thought of America and Americans. The common thread running thru about 95% of opinions was "America got what they deserved on 9 /11 " and "We hope terrorist activity continues till America is complete and utter desolation." "We're sick of you self-absorbed, conceited, vain, egotistical, selfish, ugly Americans hogs" "We hope you are blown to hell where you belong" It certainly was a abrupt eye-opening experience to see the faces of those folks as they spoke their minds. Did anyone else catch that show ? Personally, I think it's too late to change now and we're going to get our miserable fat narcissistic American asses blown across the international date-line.

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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland

Subject: 95 % of us

Amanda: You have every right to like anything you like. I didn' t mean you or Bayou Sam, because you are reacting and are sensitive to the world. I was referring to some other people and this strange, overall self-satisfied and self-feeding athmosphere which is common when there are lots of you US citizens gathered...Politically it is scary, but that is a subject I don' t want to talk here. Culturally it is a bit hard for us, 95 % of the world. I have been in USA four times and I can understand it. There are so much going on there that the outside world seems like a distant echo. It is much easier to be globally aware in Finland than in USA. But I really hope that the people in USA take this challenge more seriously (no demand, just hope)....

I admit that there is this male side of me who want to show his feathers, to try to impress. But mostly it is passion...

Many thanks for Brown Eyed Girl, B...Tennessee,Peter V. and others for impressive categories.

I show some of mine (to impress ?aghh): First records: Kirka: Kirka keikalla, Folk Blues Party, Sam Cooke: Far Away Places

The winner of my top twenty list in 60' s: The Troggs:Love is all around

My latest CD: Dulce Ponte: O Primeiro Canto

Discovered the Band: Our radio played something from the first album...really inviting adult sound for a young guy...

Favorite singers: Tim and Jeff Buckley, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Richard Manuel, Sam Cooke, Olavi Virta, Mahalia Jackson, Sarah Vaughn, Ella, Laura Nyro, Mel Torme, Tony Bennet, Nat King Cole, Tapani Kansa, Jackie Leven, Cesaria Evora, Ibrahim Ferrer, Xabier Lete, Burton Cummings, Bobby Blue Bland,Van, Big Joe Turner, Solomon Burke, Johnny Adams, Aaron Neville,Buffy Sainte-Marie, Dulce Ponte, Misia, Amalia Rodriques, Caetano Veloso, Garland Jeffries, Carlos Gardel, Salif Keita....ok I stop...human voice is my favorite instrument...

Favorite guitarists: Vicente Amigo, Paco De Lucia, Robbie, Lonnie Johnson, Albert King, Hubert Sumlin, Blind Blake, Hasse Walli, Frank Zappa, Bill Frisell, Richard Thompson, .....

to be continued someday

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Posted by:

Sunie Guge

Location: USA
Web: My link

Subject: Great site!

full of interesting stuffs. :)

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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: Hallmark Outakes

Hey Beg, how come I didn't make it on to your favorite singers list? Don't answer that!------WHAT HALLMARK DOESN'T PRINT------- My tire was thumping. I thought it was flat. When I looked at the tire... I noticed your cat. Sorry! Looking back over the years that we've been together, I can't help but wonder? What the hell was I thinking? Congratulations on your wedding day! Too bad no one likes your husband. How could two people as beautiful as you ... Have such an ugly baby? Congratulations on your new bundle of joy. Did you ever find out who the father was? Happy Birthday, Uncle Dad! (Available only in Tennessee, Kentucky & West Virginia)

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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Location: cabbagetown

Subject: Appreciation List

First 45...Hey Jude, Whole Lotta Love

Next was 8-tracks....I don't remember first one bought 'cause I was always listening to older brother's music. But I do remember growing up on The Beatles, Beach Boys, Motown...High School hit...and then Louuuuu entered my life as well as Bowie and Rod Stewart and Faces...Beginning of University it was Bob Marley and then it was The Clash during Punk...

Last CD bought...John Trudell

Discovered The Band probably when I heard "The Weight" and "Dixie".....Joan Baez was heard on the radio a lot.....;-D

I was in school choirs...I always heard that my Father was an amazing folk dancer when he wasn't a foot baller in Europe...Relatives told me that they copied his creative moves...Brother is creative with food...When you see the way he puts food together you only want to photograph...for it's like a painting...

Favourite Singers...Van Morrison, Bob Marley, Richard Manuel, Otis Redding, Garland Jeffreys, Willy Deville

Favourite Guitarists...Robbie Robertson...Carlos Santana (pre commercial days), Steve Cropper, Hubert Sumlin, Marc Ribout

Favourite Rhythm Guitarists...Dylan, Louuuu Reed

Favourite Drummers...Levon Helm, Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich, Mike Shrieve

Favourite Bass Players...Rick Danko, Robbie Shakespeare, Fernando Saunders

Favourite Keyboardists...Garth Hudson, Richard Bell

Favourite Harp Players...Dylan, Rollie

I don't listen to the radio but if I was a DJ...Solo Robbie, solo Rick, solo Garth, solo Richard, solo Levon, The Band, Louuuuu, Marley, Van, Mink Deville and Willy Deville, Otis, Graham Parker, Maria McKee, Joni Mitchell, Ani DiFranco, Sumlin, and more Roots Reggae, Motown and World music that I have like Papa Wembe from Zaire, Zucherro from Italy, etc.....Basically my radio show would include all my faves with the emphasis on every musical genre possible...

Favourite concert memories...I feel fortunate that I saw Bob Marley live singing "Get Up, Stand Up"...Robbie answered with "Making A Noise"...

Favourite Artists and Writers...Picasso, Van Gogh, Simone De Beauvoir, Jay McInerney

Favourite Photographers...Andre Kertesz, Margaret Bourke-White, Elliott Landy, Crabgrass

Favourite Film...Bad Timing A Sexual Obsession with Harvey Keitel, Theresa Russell, Art Garfunkel

First Opera when I was 13 years old...Don't remember opera...but they were singing in Italian...;-D

First Concert I attended I was 17 years old...I knew it was only rock and roll when someone threw an empty mickey and it shattered of course and some glass pieces touched my back...Yes and The Round About alright...Second major concert our local music shop owner rented a bus in our town of 36,000 people to see the Rolling Stones in Buffalo, New York and before I could say rock and roll....I noticed the entire bus of fans were smoking ganja and hash...I was 19

Books reading now...Otis!, Shakey, Ronnie Hawkins, On The Road With Bob Dylan

Levon's ice-creams...Two themes...Bitter Chocolate, Bitterscotch / Peach Delight, Southern Reward, Southern Dream

Beau...ti...ful places visited...Greece, Jamaica, Cuba and NYC (art deco buildings)...Hey Empty Now...I was in Brussels Airport for seven hours waiting...

Favourite Dylan lyrics...

Precious Angel..."You're the queen of my flesh, girl, you're my woman, you're my delight
You're the lamp of my soul, girl, and you touch up the night"

Idiot Wind..."It was gravity which pulled us down and destiny which broke us apart
You tamed the lion in my cage but it wasn't enough to change my heart"

Dirge with The Band..."In this age of fiberglass I'm searching for a gem"...

Like A Rolling Stone..."Ain't it hard when you discover that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal"

All I Really Want To Do..."I don't want to fake you out
Take or shake or forsake you out
I ain't lookin' for you to feel like me
See like me or be like me
All I really want to do
Is, baby, be friends with you"

Absolutely Sweet Marie..."Well, anybody can be just like me, obviously
But then, now again, not too many can be like you, fortunately"

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Peter'sTop 100 post\Mrs Thatcher

Yeah, that bit was bit much and it bought to mind the following lyric...............................

Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Subject: More investigative journalism

So I's looking at Levon's book some more (since you just can't put it down), and found these interesting tidbits -

"'To Kingdom Come'" was Robbie's song, and he sang it."
"'Caledonia Mission' was Robbie's, and Richard sang the lyrics."
"'Chest Fever' had improvised lyrics that Robbie put together."

So out of the four songs on Big Pink that Robbie actually has credit for, apparently the most he could possibly steal was the music to "Chest Fever," and "The Weight" - although Levon also says "Robbie had that bit about going down to Nazareth." What a thieving bastard! (Although, when you read Robbie's eloquent comments about The Weight being influenced by the films of Spanish director Luis Bunuel and the concept of the impossiblity of sainthood, and compare it to the ouvre that Levon wrote after 1976 that also betray similar influences of obscure foreign film directors, I think it becomes obvious who REALLY wrote the song!!!)

I'll let everyone get started on yelling at me for beating a dead horse, and for being a hypocrite after I critized everyone the other day.

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Posted by:

Jerry Tenenbaum

Location: Toronto, Canada

Subject: Howard Gladstone/"Sunflowers Light The Room"

On Nov.9 2002, Howard Gladstone debuted his new cd "Sunflowers Light The Room" for 100 guests. In a cozy room at Clinton's on Bloor St., Mr. Gladstone introduced us to the provocatively sensitive songs of this album. The sound in the room was superb. (Intimate shows like this remind me of why I hate the large venues and prefer this type of musical experience.). Mr. Gladstone is clearly influenced by The Band and Bob Dylan. However, he has added his own unique sensibilities to a group of very strong songs. His voice fits the songs to a tee. You know that he means it and cares about the songs and their message when you hear him perform. Tony Quarrington on guitar (great arrangements and production on the album/cd), Bruce Longman on bass, and Mike McLelland on drums provided excellent support for the evening. They were tight and Quarrington in particular was innovative and interesting. Mr. Gladstone has clearly fulfilled a lifelong ambition with this major undertaking. The two sets entertained as the band dealt out these aural treats. Many of the songs are seemingly deeply personal and you learn a lot about Howard Gladstone as you listen. He wears his heart on his sleeve and is generous enough to let us share. The entire project can be reviewed at his website and in particular the artwork on the cd is worthy of a careful look. The arrangements of the songs, the musicianmanship, the package and in particular, the love and caring of Mr. Gladstone for his ouvre makes this debut cd /album worthy of high commendation to the Dylanophile/Bandfan.

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Posted by:

G-Man

Subject: Crabby's Photo Shoot

Hey Crabby,,ya did a great job with those photo's! Any lense replacement costs!! The "JWB" did a rippin show!!

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Posted by:

G-Man

Subject: Road Trip/Levon/Town Crier

Laura,,need some info.,,let D-1 and I know! RWG49@MSN.COM!!

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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Jim Weider Band

JWB played the Bottom Line for the very first time one week ago today - 2 great shows!! These guys work really hard when they take the stage, believe me, and the new unit is much tighter than the former Honky Tonk Guru configuration. Hope those of you who haven't yet seen them will do so in future.

[Click "My link" above for review and photos.]

Thanks Jan, for the nice layout!!

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Posted by:

Harry & Mim

Location: Bensalem, Bucks County, PA USA

Subject: "The Chicken Man in Philly"

To the GB poster re: "The Chicken Man":

"The Chicken Man" was Philip Testa, head of Philadelphia's major organized crime family in the 1980's. There were a number of "mob related" deaths during the 1980s and beyond in "The City of Brotherly Love" where major heads of the "syndicate" were rubbed out.

Mr. Testa was killed by a "nail bomb" that exploded on his South Phildelphia porch as he was returning home one day. He owned an amusement business (sold/supplied slot machines, cigarette machines, pool tables, etc.) and sold my dad a pool table once. (I believe Mr.Testa was a patient in my fathers' medical practice). My father asked about paying the sales tax on the pool table, and Testa just laughed. Another time, Mr. Testa left a briefcase in my fathers' office after a Friday afternoon visit. Upon contacting my dad, he told Testa "Come over and pick up your briefcase Monday morning, I'll be in." Mr. Testa needed the briefcase NOW, and two rather large fellows picked up dad in a Lincoln to drive into the city, open the office, give the boys the briefcase, and drive Dad back home.

HOW Mr. Testa bacame KNOWN as "The Chicken Man" is not clear to us, but you could probably find out by looking through mid-1980's editions of the Philadelphia Inquirer and/or The Philadelphia Evening Bulletin (now defunct).

Your friendly Philadelphia mob archivists,

Mim & Harry

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

I hate to go back to a slightly cold topic, but the recent RR posts got me doing a bit of investigative journalism. So I noticed that on Big Pink, out of nine original songs, four are credited to Richard Manuel, one to Rick Danko, and four to JR Robertson. On Brown, out of 12 songs, Richard gets co-writes for three, and Levon gets one. Stagefright, Richard gets two credits, Levon one. In fact, in the entire Band canon, there is exactly ONE album that Robbie gets credit for writing every song. And it's the album that the other guys pretty much admit to not being very creative at that point in time. If Robbie was so greedy and stole credit for writing all of The Band's songs, how come a third of the songs on their three classic albums are credited to OTHER people? It just doesn't make any sense. It seems to indicate more, as he claims, that the other guys slowly dried up as they became more successful/wealthy. In his book, Levon says that on Cahoots, Rick and he worked out "Life Is A Carnival" music-wise, and Robbie put to words. And the song is credited to - Levon Helm, Rick Danko and Robbie Robertson! Seems pretty fair for someone who supposedly just wanted to steal credit for everything. And it seems downright generous for "working on that song's sprung rhythms for five days." He also says of the Cahoots era that "Richard stopped writing and for all intents retired. I'd shot my wad with Life Is A Carnival." Rick says of that time, "Richard seemed to be tired of the whole thing. Levon wasn't that interested either. I can't emphasize how much success had changed everything We were outrageous in our behavior, and it was impossible to get people in one place at one time." The whole stealing songwriting credit thing just doesn't make any sense. Someone who didn't know, and read Levon's book, would probably think that every Band song was credited to Robbie, when that's far from the truth. If he was trying to rip people off with writer's credits, he sure did a piss-poor job.

Peter also mentioned their cover of "Atlantic City." I'd like to ask, one person in particular, if The Band should have taken a songwriter's credit for creating an original, full-fledged arrangement of Bruce's guitar-and-vocal sketch, as that's presumably what Levon claims they did to Robbie's sketches. Something which, BTW, would NOT be legal for them to do.

I'll answer some questions, as I'm too lazy to think about all of them. First album - Dark Side Of The Moon, sixth grade.

Most recent - Sigur Ros ().

First concert (not a real question, but I want to tell) - Bruce Springsteen, Born In USA, 1985.

1st get into Band - Heard on radio, rented TLW, gradually got into them. Bought Big Pink as my very first CD, along with Neil Young's Freedom, when I first got a player, in 1988. I was debating between that and Brown. I gradually got more of their stuff from then on.

Family musical - slightly. I play guitar, and own a mandolin, ukelele, accordion, bass, didgeridoo, tenor banjo, keyboard, flute, washtub bass, violin, jew's harp, penny whistle, fife, harmonica, which I "play" with varying degrees of inability.

Current book - "Careless Love," Peter Guarlnick.

Levon's Ice Cream - Strawberry Whine.

Most Beautiful Place Ever Visited - my ex-girlfriend's eyes. (That should get me laid. See guys, you gotta know how to make the ladies swoon. Besides, I wanted to say it before that goofball said it about his wife.)

Kalevero, did I tell you that I ran into Lynyrd Skynyrd last week?

Looks like I gotta go sharpen my teeth now.

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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Hubert Sumlin!

HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUUU......THE ONE AND ONLY HUBERT SUMLIN WHO TURNS 71 TODAY!

I hope that you will continue to make music and move the people who see you play.....It was such an absolute pleasure beyond words to see you up close and personal at the Bluezz Cruise in NYC!....BTW.....Keep wearing the hat that my Grandpa used to wear.....:-D

I need a shot of love, I need a shot of Hubert Sumlin!

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Fun Fun Fun

Nice goin Roz, now I got that friggin song stuck in my head ...

Jeeezzz

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Posted by:

butch

Subject: guest list

breaking my self-imposed hiatus to tell ******* Laura Holt Lorfing**********

if she & her friends are REALLY flying in from texas ,,, to see the Barn Burners,,,,

e-mail me & ill put you on the guest list !!!!

anyone THAT DEDICATED should have special treatment !!!!

im @ bubbaband@aol.com

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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Home Sweet Home

After spending the last few night in the hospital..my daughter finally had the pin taken out of her arm. All is well. We're all back home and now I can catch up on my web browsing activities. There is nothing more disheartening than spending a few days in the childrens ward at a hospital. the first time because of a lack of beds, my daughter was rooming with 3 seventy year olds. this time there was room in the childrens ward. The nurses may be nicer and younger, but it is really sad to see little kids who are in bad shape. I thank my lucky stars our little one had ONLY a broken bone in her arm instead of something more serious. While I was in the hospitla I decided to take the Caledonia challenge 8the TVs all shut off automatically at 10 pm in the kidie ward!)

1. What is the first LP/CD bought?

Live At Budokan- Cheap Trick

2. What is the latest CD bought?

Ben Folds Live & Muddy Waters Folk Singer (bought them on the same day)

3. How did I discover The Band?

Listening to American Armed Forces Radio Network in Italy back in the late 70s

4. Is your family musical? Do you play an instrument?

. yes. Several uncles and cousins play the accordion. One cousin (a retired accountant) plays keyboards professionaly now; another cousin plays the sax; my mother played the piano and the church organ; my father sang in a military vocal group duirng the 1950s. My daughter takes piano lessons. I used to take piano lessons (until the 4th grade) but i still tickle the ivories now and again when no one is home.

5. Favourite singers & musicians:

singers (in no particular order): Roger Daltrey, Robert Plant, Mose Allison, Levon Helm & Paul MacCartney

guitar players: Django Reinhardt, Eric Clapton, RR, Robert Plant, Pete Townshend Andy Summers

drummers: Levon Helm, Keith Moon Charlie Watts, Stewart Copeland

bass players: John Entwhistle, Rick Danko Willie Dixon

piano players: Ben Folds, Oscar Peterson, Garth Hudson, Mose Allison, Joe Jackson

6. If you could be a DJ...?

Really really old blues and jazz from the 1940s only because it is music that you don't hear on the radio anymore

7. Favourite concert memories:

none come to mind

.8. Favourite Artists & writers:

artists: van Gogh, F. Remington and Meichi Kinjo (a friend of mine)

writers: Hemmingway, Emilio Salgari, James Fenimore Cooper, Hammett, Chandler among others

9. What book are you reading now?

actually re-reading now would be more accurate: Citizen Welles by Frank Brady; Il Cinema di Toto' by F. Cammarota

10. If Ben & Jerry created an ice cream flavour for Levon Helm...?

Haven't the foggiest idea

11. What is the most beautiful place ever visited?

Lago di Garda (Verona, Italy) the area around Interlaken (Switzerland)

12. Favourite Dylan lyrics

Like A Rolling Stone

well there you have it...hope I haven't bored you to tears

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Nice post Rosalind = way to go.

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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: The Chicken Man

Maybe this has been discussed in here before......The lyric from "Atlantic City","they blew up the chicken man in Philly last night". What in the hell is a CHICKEN MAN?

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Posted by:

Mike D.

Subject: Returns

It's been a while since I've posted here but I'm back. Whoopee, right?

Bayou Sam and Susan, I hope you both are enjoying the cd's. Sam, I love that cd you sent. I think George did just as good of a job on "It Don't Come Easy"

And what's with these questions? I'll give them a shot:

1. 1. What is the first album/cd you ever bought? Umm, that's easy! The Jimi Hendrx Experience's "Axis: Bold As Love". Hey, I was 8! The Sesame Street record mom got me when I was 4 does NOT count!

2. What is the last cd you bought? Jimi Hendrix: Blue Wild Angel and The Beach Boys: Lei'd In Hawaii, both shows! (ok, so that's a bootleg!)

3. How/when did you discover the Band? Heard "The Weight" at age 10 when I saw "Easy Rider"

4. Is your family musical? Do you play any instruments? Not really. But they/we do like good music.

5. Who are your favorite singers/guitar players/drummers/bass players/piano players? No order after number one, but number one is first! Singers: Richard Manuel, Ray Charles, Carl Wilson, Van Morrison...Oh, this is a tough one! Guitar: Hendrix, Terry Kath, Rory Gallagher, Larry Carlton, Richie Blackmore, etc...and Robbie Drummers: Keith Moon, Hal Blaine, Levon Helm, Steve Gadd, Jeff Porcaro, Jim Gordon, etc... Bassists: James Jamerson, Rick Danko, Carol Kaye, Jaco, etc... Piano Players: Garth (Mr. Wizard), Billy Joel, Burton Cummings, Jon Lord, etc... I can't think of enough names anyhow.

6. If you could be a guest DJ on your favorite radio station for one hour, what songs would you play? The Beach Boys: Pet Sounds; Marvin Gaye: What's Going On; Steely Dan: AJA; CCR: Cosmos Factory; Traffic: Low Spark Of The High Heeled Boys and Dennis Wilson: Pacific Ocean Blue.

7. Do you have a favorite concert memory? Hell yes! Had front row seats for Deep Purple. Got a guitar pick, a towel from the keyboard player AND hung out with them after the show at a pub/restaurant just down the street from the 10,000+ venue! Great guys, very down to earth!

8. Who are your favorite artists and writers? The Beach Boys (up thru Holland) The Band, Steely Dan, The Guess Who, Billy Joel and Peter Gabriel.

9. What book are you reading now? Stranger In A Strange Land. Just finished reading "Shakey".

10. If Ben & Jerry's created an ice cream for Levon, what flavor should it be and what should it be named? It'd be a half vanilla/half chocolate ice cream with swirls of real peanut butter and walnut chunks in it. Call it "Cripple Creek Crunch". I've thought of this well before this question was asked!!!

11. What is the most beautiful place you've ever visited? Hmm...A: Honolulu, Hawaii...wish I could live there. The beaches there are clean, warm and the water is clear. and B: Glenwood Springs, Colorado: whitewater rafting, hiking at 8,000+ altitude and swimming in the Colorado River and also at a nearby pool, heated by natural hot springs...ahh! Water is really therapy.

12. What are some of your favorite Dylan lyrics? Forever Young, The Times They Are A Changing, Tangled Up In Blue, It's All Over Now Baby Blue and A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall.

Geez, you had to make me think. What a way to return eh?!

Mike

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Web: My link

Subject: Palmer article

Jenny, the article is in the library on this site. see link.

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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Various

Peter V: You make a good point. When I think about how much I fictionalize my own life when I reminisce (usually to make it slightly funnier) you have to be suspicious of anyone fictionalizing other peoples lives especially when they were not intimately involved. Can you tell me more about the Robert Palmer piece in RS? When was it, how can I read it, is it worthwhile reading?

Kalervo: You make good points but PLEASE don't mention Christmas yet. I had to go to the mall yesterday, and the American Christmas treadmill of excess is already operating at warp speed, spreading cinnamon potpourri as it flies.

Bruce was in Cincy on Tuesday but we missed him. How is the Big Man doing?

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: True Romance

If like Hank Williams, you are a fan of True Romance (notwithstanding that the definitive Cold Cold Heart goes to Norah Jones now), check out "Truer than True Romance" by Jeanne Martinet. She took the original 60s comic strips, and wrote new and very funny dialogue in the speech bubbles and managed to keep a story in each strip that was totally different to the original.

Oh, and I finally did Caledonia's questions

1. What is the first album/cd you ever bought?
LP- “Elvis – Rock & Roll #2” or “All The Hits By All the Stars” on Cameo-Parkway. Don’t remember, both around the same time.

2. What is the last cd you bought?
“Further Beyond Nashville” compilation this week.

3. How/when did you discover the Band?
When the single of “The Weight” was released.

4. Is your family musical? Do you play any instruments?
My dad sang hymns on the radio as a boy till his voice broke. My sister plays piano. I used to play bass.

5. Who are your favorite singers/guitar players/drummers/bass players/piano players?
No order after number one, but number one is first!
Singer: Van Morrison, Paul Simon, Levon Helm, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, Bob Dylan to 1978, Marvin Gaye, Bob Marley, Lou Reed, Prince.

Guitar: Robbie Robertson, Ry Cooder, Jorma Kaukonen, Steve Cropper.

Rhythm guitar: Keith Richards, Lou Reed, John Lennon.

Drums: Levon Helm, Al Jackson Jnr, Ringo Starr, Steve Gadd. Sense of rhythm essential, no flashy drummers need apply.

Bass: Bagithi Khumalo (Paul Simon band), James Jamerson, Carole Kaye, Paul McCartney, John Wetton, Jaco Pastorious, Rick Danko, Jack Casady,

Keyboard: Garth Hudson, Joe Zawinul, Leonard Bernstein.

6. If you could be a guest DJ on your favorite radio station for one hour, what songs would you play?
Otis Redding-Respect, Marvin Gaye- What’s Going On, The Wailers – Stir It Up, No Woman No Cry (live), Impressions – You Must Believe Me, Temptations – Ain’t Too Proud to Beg, Just My Imagination, Four Tops- Reach Out I’ll Be There, Smokey Robinson – Tears of a Clown, Don Covay- Mercy, Mercy, Robert Parker- Let’s Go Baby (Where the Action Is), Small Faces - All or Nothing, Fontella Bass- Rescue Me, Gladys Knight- Midnight Train to Georgia, Four Seasons- Let’s Hang On, Beatles- Got to Get You Into My Life, Fleetwood Mac- Dreams, Van Morrison – And It Stoned Me, Domino, Rolling Stones- Beast of Burden, Prince- Little Red Corvette, Mick Jagger- Memo From Turner. I only listen to radio in the car, and soul is my preferred in car listening.

7. Do you have a favorite concert memory?
Rahsaan Roland Kirk (Volunteered Slavery tour), Marvin Gaye, k.d. lang, John Surman Trio, Muddy Waters, The Band, Paul Simon

8. Who are your favorite artists and writers?
The Band, Van Morrison, Paul Simon, Bob Dylan, The Beatles, Marvin Gaye, The Beach Boys (to Holland).

9. What book are you reading now?
Heylin on Van Morrison (non fiction); Falling Angels – Tracy Chevalier (fiction)

10. If Ben & Jerry's created an ice cream for Levon, what flavor should it be and what should it be named?
Sour Levon.(Sorry, done before,)

11. What is the most beautiful place you've ever visited?
Alaska, Delphi, pyramids outside Mexico City.

12. What are some of your favorite Dylan lyrics?
Visions of Johanna, Stuck inside of Mobile, Changing of The Guards, Señor

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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: the man in black

just bought the man comes around by johnny cash. im speechless. its fantastic but then i expected nothing else from the great man. the new songs are great.with the covers and there are loads,cash puts his indelible stamp on them with such vigour and grace that the original versions are almost but not quite rendered redundant. again he takes an old chestnut such as bridge over trbld wat.. which has been bled dry by umpteen other versions,and breathes new life into it. cash also rescues danny boy from its current fate as a late night drinking session standard,revealing it to be a lovely song.theres a cracking duet with nick cave( a definite cash kindred spirit),and ill never think of we'll meet again as a vera lynn(uk forces sweetheart in ww2) song again.and theres a depeche mode song too!!!.oh by the way,theres a murder ballad on the album ;its great that some things never change. if theres any space left on mt rushmore they should carve jonnhy cash's face alongside those other blokes.god bless the man in black.

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Posted by:

tabula rasa

Tennessee _ A better question would be " What is Tabula Rasa "?

Ben _ It's been bugging me that I said that thing yesterday about you and me being mentioned in the same sentence was like a "handful of dog shit in the face" I didn't mean it, I'm sorry....You can slap me around if you want to, or we could crawl into the bushes or something ..... (wink) okay?

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Posted by:

Ed Blayzor

Location: Pawling, NY

Subject: Laura/Pawling

Laura e-mail me I live in Pawling eblayzor@webtv.net... Due to prior plans unfortunately i will have to miss Levon this time around. The Towne Crier is wonderful & intamate place to see a show, I have seen many Band related shows there and they usually sell-out quick so make your reservations soon!

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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland

Subject: Ok I surrender

Amanda: Ok I surrender... I am not in a self-feeding, self-satisfied yankee culture, thank God..Maybe it is because I thought the people here are more interested in wider views, other cultures and new things, too. To be in miniority is to demand, and to be in majority it is ok...that is your and Lifeboy' s message to me.

And I was talking about this never-ending and boring scism of Robbie and the other boys, not other historical subjects.Of course I understand that this is mostly historical site.

Some of you yanks make me feel an outsider here, Canadians and Europeans (and one Indian, too) are generally more open-minded and look this world more globally. Sometimes I feel that this is a Lynyrd Skynyrd club. I may be too serious, passionate, intolerant and demanding, but I think I am expressing the thoughts of many who aren' t here anymore. And maybe it is better for me to be in Robbie' s club only.

I wish you all happy Christmas!

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Posted by:

Harry & Mim

Location: Bensalem, Bucks County, PA USA

Subject: 12/31/02 New years' Eve, Bearsville, NY

Friends:

News of a joint LH Blues Band and Jim Weider Band concert to bring in 2003 came like a breath of fresh air today.

John Cass - Don't waste too much time trying to find a decent hotel in the Woodstock/Bearsville area. Look for one in Kingston, NY (about 10 or 12 miles from Woodstock).

Looking forward to meeting John and other GuestBook folks there, we remain

Mim & Harry

"wore my 44 so long you know it made my shoulder sore"

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Oliver, you need to watch the Brady Bunch more often. But who is Tabula Rasa???

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Posted by:

rosalind

Location: Deep Southwest Pa.

Subject: Blame it all on the Surfer Moon

I'm sitting here listenin' to The Beach Boys.. Man they're as bad as our boys!

Well she got her daddy's car and she cruised thru the hamburger stand now ...

Seems she forgot all about the library like she told her old man now ...

And with the radio blastin' goes cruising just as fast as she can now ....

And she'll have Fun Fun Fun till her daddy takes the T-Bird away ..
(fun fun fun till her daddy takes the T-Bird away) .....

Well the girls can't stand her cause she walks like she drives like an ace now ...
( You walk like an ace now ... you walk like an ace) ...

She makes the Indie 500 look like the Roman chariot race now ..
(you look like an ace now ... you look like an ace)

nevermind......

Anyway I would like to confess to all my Band family that I, me, Rosalind have been in therapy now for about 15 years and I can say without any doubt whatsoever that it has cured me. I am still just as crazy as I ever was but therapy has taught me that it is possible to enjoy the speed bumps, grinding gears and hair-pin turns of life with the sheer glee of a rambunctious 5 year old in the bed of an old pick-up truck. Just grip and laugh, grip and laugh, grip and laugh. Whoa!

Amanda _ I'm glad I can make you laugh. There's one thing I'm no longer afraid of. I'm no longer afraid of making a fool of myself. Everyone has those red lights and stop signs that pop up in front of our faces when we think we're about to humiliate ourselves by saying or doing something stupid. I have found that if you can destroy those red lights and stop signs that hold you back from becoming the child you were born to be, then you can finally find the freedom to actually breathe. It feels like being rescued from a burning smoke-filled building into the cool fresh air of a beautiful clear star-filled night....

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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Laura & Lil: I flew into White Plains when I came for that snowstorm Crowmatix show from Mpls... and it was an easy drive to Pawling... well, I can say that now... but I was a little stressed out after a 5 hour layover in Detroit until an impatient pilot said... I'm gonna go get us a plane... and he did... btw the Italian seafood dish goes real well with a little Scarlet Begonias... damn, I wish I was going...

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Posted by:

Laura Holt Lorfing

Location: Houston

Subject: Pawling

Thanks for the info. Lil. I'm looking into it right now. Never heard of "Jet Blue" airlines but I'm looking to see if they have a web site I can go to so I can check out some fares. Albany, NY might be the thing to do. Some of their flights look reasonable. I hope we can get there without switching planes 100 times LOL! I don't care...whatever is cheapest I'm down for. Thanks again.

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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Location: Minoa, N.Y.

Saw Bowling For Columbine tonite, thougt provoking documentary. I had some trepidation going in, as Columbine is such a serious and tragic subject, but the larger issues addressed are the fear that we all live in(more so all the time it seems) and how much the media is responsible for it, and our nations love affair with guns. I hope rightwingers can laugh at themselves, if they see it. I have mixed feelings about Michael Moore, but he definitely gets out there and asks questions which should and need to be asked. He literally put Dick Clark and, to my suprise, Charlton Heston, on the run with issues they didn't want to deal with. Sorry, nothing Band related here, that I can think of.

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Laura: you might want to look into Albany airport. You'd have less than a 2 hour drive to Pawling from there. Also, in the other direction.. JFK airport. Again, about a 2 hour drive.
And while you're at it, check out "Jet Blue" airlines.. very reasonable. Good luck!

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Posted by:

Laura Holt Lorfing

Location: Houston

Subject: Pawling, NY

Thinking about taking a trip to Pawling, NY to see Levon in December. Can anyone tell me that lives upstate what airport it would be best to fly into? I'm hearing that it might be cheaper to take a flight to PA and make the drive the rest of the way. Would Newark, NJ be a good choice as well?? If any of you Gb'ers know how 2 Texas girls can get around the cost and save some bucks... please post your thoughts. Any ideas Diamond Lil?? I know your from that neck of the woods. I'd appreciate the feedback. Thanks! Pack your bags Adela...lets do it!! PEACE:)

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Kalervo

I just read what I wrote. I don't think I should have used the word demand. I think you want so much for other people to accept and understand what matters to you.

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Peter, Rosalind and Kalervo

Peter, thank you for your response. I wasn't inquiring about songwriting or arranging. In my case, as the saying goes, you would be preaching to the choir. I wonder, if Levon had such a negative effect on Garth's and Rick's creativity, why they continued to work with him? I have a great amount of respect for Garth and Rick, but their choices were theirs. Maybe they loved Levon, maybe they enjoyed working with him, maybe they weren't where they needed to be creatively at that point, maybe they needed the money to pay the bills like the rest of us. I don't know the answers, but they were certainly capable of making decisions. I think because of articles, books, interviews and such that Levon has done, people get the idea that he is just dwelling constantly on this really negative past Band vibe. A few articles, comments and a book written years ago does not a lifetime make. Levon has definitely moved on, playing the blues, still on the road, doing session work and performing with other bands. I don't see how anyone could think otherwise. The strength this man has shown. He lost one of the most beautiful gifts that God could give to rock and roll-his incredible voice. Levon totally had to redefine his career around that loss. That kind of resilience and love of performing is the mark of a true music man ...no choice...just play for the people...anyway you can. I often wonder what he would be doing today if cancer hadn't come to call. I am thankful that he didn't dwell on that too much because that would have been the most self-defeating thing he could do and self-defeating would never be a proper word to describe Levon Helm.

Rosalind, never mind about the question. I know the answer anyway. Thanks for inquiring and also...thanks for making me laugh...somedays when I really need it.

Kalervo: I am glad you found peace. I wasn't really thinking about The Last Waltz when I posted to you. Sometimes I think you demand that everyone be so accepting to your ideas and what matters to you, but you don't offer that same acceptance to everyone else. I did make a point of going to the only music store we have here on the island and investigating the world music section. I didn't purchase anything, but I checked it out. I am in my early thirties, but I love everything old...furniture, lamps, purses, photos, vintage clothing, movies, MUSIC...even my husband is several years older than me. I will never tire of any aspect of The Band...their history and music and everything else that goes along...like my kids, they keep me young and happy and interested.

Location: boston

Subject: The Sixth Great Lake

I tried to follow Brien's link to Robbie at Walden Pond but took a wrong turn and stumbled over a group called The Sixth Great Lake who cover Rockin' Chair on a CD called Up The Country. Has anyone heard of them, or heard this version of Rockin' Chair? I'll probably place my Amazon order tonight regardless. Thanks.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Mojo 100

The "100 greatest Drug songs" must be Mojo's 100th "100 Greatest (whatever)" a format which is wearing thin and perhaps getting silly. But how can they put "White Rabbit" at #1, call the free CD "Feed your head" and then not have "White Rabbit" on it? No Band songs are in the Top 100 from memory- I haven't yet read it in detail. As I've said I used to programme "The Weight"- "White Rabbit" - "I Shall be Released" (at 6 pence a selection, or one shilling for three) on the university common room juke box every morning while I read the newspapers back when it was all new stuff. You couldn't put the B-side on straight after the A side or the juke box screwed up, so I needed a track between the sides, and White Rabbit was usually it.

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Posted by:

Bones

Norah Jones is now playing "It Makes No Difference" in concert? Wow, I would love to see her perform. I read in Rolling Stone that she and her band spent the entire summer watching The Last Waltz on the tour bus. Her debut record is wonderful.

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Posted by:

Lawrence Brissenden

Subject: RR Event - Indigo - Tues Nov 19 7 pm - 55 Bloor West, Toronto

For anyone interested, I received an email that says:

Robbie Robertson Presents Dana Glover: Join Heather Reisman, Indigo CEO, and Robbie Robertson, world renowned producer and musician, as they introduce singer-songwriter Dana Glover who will be performing songs from her debut album, Testimony.

"She's a sensation. - Robbie Robertson"

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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj

Subject: Alison Krauss

Picked up Alison Krauss and Union Station Live - what a superb piece of music..., If you haven't picked up anything bluegrass since jumping on the O' Brother Where Art Thou bandwagon, this is a good purchase that won't disappoint!

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Peter Viney

I'm with you on the Robbie thing, I think he was the catalyst,main lyricist and visionary and regarding the "ok, time to rehearse/let's cut the album" thing can you imagine how frustrating that could be when you are driven that way but most of the others are strung out on something or other? Especially when you know how fantastic they can be. I'm speaking from experience here, I play in a band and I'm the one you are talking about within that band, I've had those kind of expeiences and when you really want to get something together and you're not firing on all cylinders it can be pretty shitty and I think Robbie must of experienced that, I also think Levon possibly realises that too although I am just speculating. I also want to add that I don't think Robbie could have realised his songs without the others and that must be equally frustrating. I'm sure this has been discussed pleny of times so I'll leave it there.

MOJO MAGAZINE

100 Greatest Drug Songs.............

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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Daniel Lanois

I think a good example of just how pervasive producer Daniel Lanois' influence upon an artist's music can be found in U2's "Joshua Tree" and "Robbie Robertson". Listen to those two albums (both released in 1987) back-to-back, as I did recently, and see what I mean.

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: And U2

I think U2 had established worldwide notoriety by the time they stepped down from the Live Aid stage on July 13, 1985. Although I'm not an avid fan that performance was very powerful.

Peter, glad to hear you mention "Breakin' The Rules". I believe it is one of Robbie's most beautiful songs and somewhat overlooked. Paul Bucahanan's performance is absolutely heart rending. I, as well, always felt that tune was tailor made for Rick. He would have brought the house down with it.

Rumor has it they are already making the sign changes at St. Jan's Wood.

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Posted by:

St. jh

Subject: Thanks...

... for all the nice words in the GB lately, about this site and yours truly. Much appreciated, of course. And after next week's visit to the UK, that "Mr. Nice Guy" image will be shattered to pieces :-)

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Posted by:

Bill

Subject: death in Paris

As it happens, Jim Morrison and one of my great-great-great grandfathers are near neighbours at Montmartre in Paris.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: writers- all regurgitated stuff

snare drums … that wasn’t intended to belittle Levon. I meant that in writing a lyric you are revealing the inner person. Even a great singer, which Levon certainly is, is not putting themselves on the line in the same way because they’re interpreting someone else’s lyrics. Richard can’t be blamed for the rhymes in ‘The Moon Struck One’ just because he sang it. People just say, ‘great performance.’ Levon can’t claim credit for the lyrics of The Weight just because he sang it to perfection, which included “acting the lyric” as well as hitting the notes. He does Atlantic City wonderfully, but doesn’t claim to have written it, even though he adds dimensions. Robbie can bask in the reputation of being one of the greatest lyricists. He’s (almost) never as careless as Dylan can be. For every ‘perfect’ Dylan lyric like ‘Visions of Johanna’ there are at least five which betray shoddy craftsmanship. Easy rhymes, stuff thrown together. Even Van has an awful lot ‘of walking through the wet grass in the dewy morning through the misty garden wet with rain’ (As PSB pointed out a while back – but if you’ve been to Belfast, you’ll know why).

I think the original Band was interdependent on one another’s genius and ability, but I believe Robbie was the catalyst, prime mover and for me, the guy who wrote nearly all the songs. And I do think that he wrote them himself, lyrics and music. We can’t debate the ‘writing’ v ‘arranging’ thing yet again. As I’ve said ad nauseam, the Diana Ross or Staples or Aretha or Spooky Tooth version of The Weight is still The Weight in spite of totally different arrangments. A catalyst is not necessarily more talented than anyone else, or “better” but every band needs someone who says ‘it’s time to rehearse,’ ‘it’s time to cut an album,’ ‘it’s time to do interviews’ and Robbie had that vital role. I think that Levon’s grudge is self-defeating. I understand it. Yes, record companies suck. So do publishers, but you can either spend your life with it festering or get on and do new things, which Robbie has. As we’ve said so many times, just compare the post 1976 output of the various members. The Weider / Ciarlante interview made me think that Levon’s control over the 90s Band, which the others deferred to, had a negative effect on Rick and Garth’s creativity. I suspect Garth would have been better employed weaving brilliant textures around Robbie’s Native American material rather than pounding through ‘Crazy Mama’ yet another time. Rick could have taken a Robbie song like ‘Breaking the Rules’ and hit the top of the charts worldwide. It was so obviously written for his voice. And not to leave Levon out, imagine him singing ‘Soap Box Preacher’ with Rick backing him.

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Posted by:

Bill

Roz: Wasn't '87 the year of "Joshua Tree", in which case U2 were very famous then - you couldn't walk down a street in the inner 'burbs without hearing one of their anthems blaring out a window.

On a totally different note, a few weeks ago I said I had Jackie Washington singing "Miss Otis Regrets" (which is on the recent Richard Manuel album) on a '76 album produced by Daniel Lanois. I realise that I also have Brian Ferry singing the same song on his excellent "Time Goes By" CD.

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Posted by:

Subject: Kalervo and debating Band stuff

Sorry mate, a forward thinking attitude is a healthy thing but you are being very pious, yes most of this is retrospective but thats because The Band don't exist and 2 of them are not with us anymore. BUT it doesn't mean we can't debate stuff, after all this is a fan site and fan is short for fanatic, this place is here for people to talk like fans, this is what fans do, it's harmless. I'm sure people ain't sweating in their beds or accosting people on the street about it and I'm pretty sure most of us would have the good grace not to hassle RR about stuff should we ever meet him. Anyway what do you suggest? Liking something for the sake of it being modern and cutting edge is pretty shallow, liking something for it's substance is something else be it old or new. The finger could be pointed equally at you for making mountains out of molehills here. I think everyone has a pretty good perspective anyhow so don't worry yerself as it's only fans talking to fans.

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Posted by:

JQ

Location: san clemente

Subject: stormy weather

There was a benefit show here Wednesday night for the Walden Woods project with all girl singers: Joni Mitchell leading with Stevie Nicks, Reba McEntire, Trisha Yearwood, Norah Jones, Sheryl Crowe and more.

Norah Jones' choice was It Makes No Difference. It was at the Wiltern and I would guess that if RR was in town he was likely present.

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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: 12-31-02

anybody familar with the Bearsville Theater and has numbers and can recommend a nice close hotel for the 12-31 show can you please email me the information at

jcassari@doc.state.vt.us

thanks

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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Robert Palmer

Following up on something Peter V. posted: There's one significant difference between the late Robert Palmer's perspective on the Hawks/Band and that of Barney Hoskyns. Mr. Palmer was on the scene in the early days. As a comtemporary of the Hawks, he played saxophone in various groups that frequented the same chicken wire circuit clubs in the South where Ronnie Hawkins & the Hawks cut their teeth.

One could say that, rather than being a detached recorder of events after the fact, Mr. Palmer actually heard the music of the Hawks in the atmosphere where it was played amidst the smell of the smoke & stale beer, standing in the sawdust & watching your back.

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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland

Subject: Therapy

Yep...Amanda I haven' t got so much therapy, but I am in 12 th step program ....To go to therapy - to be in process - is absolutely positive thing for me, so if I say that some therapy books may help resentments here, it is not so bad thing from my point of view...

You can see me preachy and judgemental, but look....the last waltz was a quarter century ago! Do you really see that talking about who did what or didn' t do ages ago is healthy and wise thing to do...To me it is a pathetic and useless waste of time...Amanda, I don' t point any particular individual, and I see you a open-minded person.

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Diamond Lil

Lil, would you be kind enough to email me. Thanks.

rwigo at aol.com

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Posted by:

Roger Woods

Location: Yonge Street

Subject: Professor Louie

John D. - you've got it already - it's the Crowmatix at Jeff Healey's. It was billed yesterday in Metro(?) as some sort of Rick tribute.

I'll check the information for the Robbie / Dana Glover event at Indigo. I can't remember which one off-hand.

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Posted by:

kwabena sankofa

Location: a lot of places
Web: My link

Subject: the band

there are those rare times when the electricity in the air just stops you and you remember it the day they shot Malcolm/Martin/John/Robert/Medgar/Lennon the day Diana was killed (do you really believe it was an accident?) the ice miracle, the first Ali/Frasier and second Louis Schmelling and third Super Bowl the first time you hear Dylan or Bessie or Billie or Charlie or Trane or "For What It's Worth" add to that list the first time you hear even a snippet of "The Band" most everyone knows the story of modern music; many talked, too few listened so much was stolen (look how much Ozzie Nelson and his orchestra stole from Count Basie and Jimmie Lunceford long before Elvis stole from Chuck Berry and Big Mama and other Delta blues musicians) The Band was one of the rarest of musical histories; they came along straight as an arrow and simply told their story the best way they could as long as they could and when they did, you listened

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Posted by:

Project: Data Control

Location: USA
Web: My link

Great site!

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Posted by:

Lawrence Brissenden

Subject: Roger Woods - RR at Indigo on Tuesday?

Roger,

You mentioned RR will be at Indigo on Tuesday. Do you know the time, location (there are many...) and what he's promoting?

If I get to meet him, I won't be asking him what he thinks about the Guestbook. I think we all know what he thinks about it! I won't be checking for horns growing out of his head either...

Thanks, Lawrence

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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Subject: Screw It

I'm a nit wit with this stuff - either take my word or search yahoo, where I read the story

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: RR/Peter's post

I think what Peter is trying to say is that when you are primarily a lyricist/songwriter your psyche tends to get scrutinized far more than if you are a musician(though personality can certainly be expressed in playing) such as a Bassist,drummer,organist,whatever because of the words, just ask Mr Zimmermann.

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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Web: My link

Subject: Try this

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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: RR

Check out the story on RR playing at Don Henley's Walden Pond benefit - Stormy Weather 2002. He played It Makes No Difference and Leonard Cohens Hallelujah - I would have liked to have seen that.

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Posted by:

TORONTO CRAIG

Subject: RE: Robbie

Peter V- I didn't take the reference about the "snare" as a shot @ Levon but I do have a question. and I'm not trying to re-open this old chestnut but.... How does a guy who, in your words, "wrote all the lyrics ", translate into him receiving credit for most of the entire song writing? Always wondered about that.

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Posted by:

Subject: Cockroaches

Hey Fred _ You and I have something in common. I moved out of my first apartment because of a cockroach too 'cept this sombitch was 6'3 and weighed 219 pounds. He was still pretty good at crawling under stuff for protection tho.....

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: RR

Think about it this way. You go to a website which is partly about you and people you were great friends with …(x) years ago. For me, I'll think 25 (which fits well), but some of you are age-advantaged. They're arguing over this and that and who said what … it'd be funny, embarrassing, pleasing sometimes too, but odd. In a Robbie interview the thing he said about the Hoskyns book was revealing. He found it infuriating to have interchanges reported by someone who wasn't there. Well, that was called New Journalism way back in the 1960s (ISB quote), and it's a totally familiar form in magazines now because it reads well - I don't think Hoskyns ever put himself into really closed door situations either. (When he got home, he said to his wife …) Robert Palmer went much further with his Rolling stone fictionalization of 'Portrait of the Artists as Young Hawks.' It's hard when it's your own life- just imagine someone reporting a major life event of yours 25 years back. However if you're an artist in any field it comes with the territory. Also if you're the guy who wrote all the lyrics it's worse because anyone assessing them is assessing you in a deeper way than a comment on how well or badly you use a snare drum. I can see it'd be hard, and infuriating … but it would sometimes be very pleasing to see how many are so interested after all these years.

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Posted by:

Location: the snowy Christmasland
Web: My link

Subject: Fruits

Thanks Alana! Oh yes Robbie has shown the way to the Native music for many people. I am interested in the fruits of his creativity, not the endless blah-blah of his relationship with the rest of the Band.

The healthy way to deal this 'divorce' is to do a sorrow work and then live in the Now and to look to the future. Robbie has done just that. If some people STILL have resentments about the past in this matter, the reason is in their psychopathology, not in the reality of things. There are many fine therapy books I can recommend, in English.

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Posted by:

Manrico Erasmi

Location: Toronto

Subject: Rick Danko cd release party!?!

For everyone's information: the Toronto weekly entertainment guide -"Now" magazine- has an advertisement for Healey's night club where they bill the Friday the 22nd show as "The Late Rick Danko(of The Band) CD release party, Featuring Professor Louis and the Cromatix". Interesting, I thought. ciao

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Posted by:

tabula rasa (roz)

Flareups are the passion that keep the Band Guestbook burning brightly. When it gets a little chilly and dim in the place just throw another log on the fire, sit back with your coffee, smile and enjoy the warm glow of shit-kickin' hell-raisin' Band Fans in cyber-space. I love you all.

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Posted by:

tabula rasa (roz)

Just disregard everything but the last two little paragraphs in the previous post. I continue to stand by my original story from 2 or 3 years ago and blame the entire Last Waltz deal on the slimy slippery manipulative Martin Scorsese. When little Marty was about 8 years old, he and his father took a bus ride to the movie theatre to see "I Shot Jesse James". Little Marty became so enthralled by Samuel Fuller's guilt-ridden portrayal of Bob Ford and his secret sorrow, personal loss and shame and the ridicule by common folk everywhere who seen him as "the dirty little coward who had laid Jesse James in his grave" The traitor who murdered their American Hero in cold blood and now must go about hanging his head in shame all the remaining days of his life. Little Marty made a promise to himself on the bus ride back home. He promised himself that when he grew up he would become a famous film director and make his own version of "I Shot Jesse James". (wink)

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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: What STarted it?

With all due respect Tennessee, the post that started the discussion about whether RR was an A-Hole wasnt Dexy's a few days ago. It started the 1st day this website opened, probably the 3rd post. Strangely enough the 4th post lamented how the Guestbook is so much more argumentative than it use to be. I always found that kind of funny, as long as Ive been here there have always been so nasty flare ups and always posts asking why have there been so many "flareups" lately, "It didnt use to be that way". Yeah.....

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Amanda / Calvin

Amanda _ "Why would Levon's feelings have anything to do with this site or be a reason for Robbie to feel negative about it. I don't get the conection" There is no connection "There" I was just trying to get across that Robbie might feel a bit put off by the fact that there is a place on the net were anyone can get anything at the click of a button. Robbie's never really come out and defended himself on the situation but there have been plenty of accusations from the other side and they're all on this website. BUT what I really think is that Robbie has said "Fuck it! People are going to believe what they want to believe and human nature gravitates toward the "dirt" and there's nothing I or anyone can do about it. So just Fuck it!" He has had to emotionally and mentally moved on and has made the best of what he has left. What else can he do. I think it was Charlie Young who mentioned a couple of months ago the tone in Robbie's voice when he said "That's it" on the commentary of the new LW release.

And Calvin I do believe Levon is telling "His" truth, but sometimes anger and hate and a desire for revenge fog up truth. One of the things Levon wrote in his book hit me sideways tho. It was that heated exchange between him and Robbie that had the truest ring to it. The one where Levon said something like "Well if you want to leave the group just leave the group. The Band will just go on without you." Robbie said "But We can stop it". That made me feel that Mr. Robertson might have had more that just a bit of selfish motivation behind the whole thing. That maybe Robbie had personal issues at home that needed tended to by a 24 hour a day 365 day a year husband and father and just a few stars in his eyes to make it big in the movies... Maybe as a whole new career... and needed a stepping stone to get there and a big deal farewell concert with a lot of respected big names in the music business directed by a respected filmmaker ( now don't come off with "Scorsese wasn't well known and respected yet." Taxi Driver was a hit! "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore" "Mean Streets" He was the most talented up an comer in the biz and everybody knew it. Cassevetes knew it. ) like Scorsese was his ticket to Hollywood royalty and peace at home. Maybe? maybe Not? I don't care. It's none of my business. That line in "Bad Intentions" where he says "I could have had an ace in the hole" .....

Oh God Me and Pike mentioned in the same sentence hit me like a handful of dog shit right'in the face!

Hey Harry _ As the former ( ? ) Band GB "Red Haired Step Child" I can tell you something. As Dave Dudley once sang. " Man It Ain't No Easy Run"

Tennessee _ Who is "Cousin Oliver"?

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Posted by:

dsf dsf

Location: sdff dsf
Web: My link

Subject: dsf sdf

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Posted by:

Inspector Gismo

Location: Tallahassee Land of the Great Gismo
Web: My link

Subject: Gismo

hello gismo is here again.

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Healey's Gig for Professor Louie & the Crowmatix

Professor Louie & the Crowmatix will be at Healey's a week Friday night.

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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Caledonia

You're welcome! It was my pleasure, though now I would like to add a lot of people I forgot temporarily...

While all of the fanatical Band devotees on this site are debating about whether or not one of its members is an a-hole, who can remember what started this thread? I do - Dexy asking if there were any questions any of us would like him to try to ask Robbie. My, how we must look.

I feel like we're the family that goes to an amusement park and when we walk through the gate, balloons drop, lights start flashing and they tell us that we're the millionth customers, and that we just won a lifetime free pass to the park, get to go to the head of the line on every ride all day long, and get to eat for free at any of the restaurants. So the kids start arguing about what ride to go on first, the dad tells the kids to shut up, Mom yells at Dad, the kids start to punch each other, Dad smacks the son and Mom spanks the daughter, then they all go to the car and drive back home, yelling and screaming the whole way, while the park employees stare at each other with their mouths open. (BTW, I get to be Dad in our little dysfunctional family. brown eyed girl is Mom. Rosalind is Cousin Oliver, and Crabgrass the crazy uncle that we keep locked in the attic. Harry, of course, is the red-headed stepchild.)

Dexy, ask Robbie whatever the fuck you want to. Nobody on The Band guestbook gives a shit.

For shame, people. For shame. (Followed by a slow shaking of the head.)

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Roger Woods - Rick Danko Event

Roger I know Robbie is here with his artist Dana Glover; but what is the Danko event your talking about??

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Jan/Last Waltz

Gee Jan.....I hope they show a cartoon first and you get your money's worth :-)

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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Emmylou's Award Evening

Click the link above for an article about the special all-star evening for Emmylou Harris last night that honored her with a humanitarian award for her work in assisting victims of landmines worldwide. It's interesting to see that the recently-wed (for the first time) Mary Chapin Carpenter couldn't make it due to a "bad back." I will not comment on that for fear of another sort of mine field...

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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: RR's strange behavior

Ahh, whatare you gonna do. it would be nice, and jan certainly deserves the awards and recognition he does recieve. This is my favorite website and has redefined significantly the nature of Band-dom in my life and I'm very grateful.

We were talking about artists and they come in all shapes and sizes and attitudes. If we get too upset by what other people do or dont do we lose our focus, I think.

we do what we do I guess and be true to ourselves.

his family seems to love him and he them. Maybe hes a little awkward at times, and things like funerals.

A friend of mine met Bob Dylan in a parking lot once and Bob Dylan ran away! my friend was really hurt by it, while I saw the comical side.

Some artists seem to have thick skin and dont let what other people get them. once you are in the public eye all bets are off. I cant imagine what its like to be famous. I woulndt want to be.

"Wow-ee...Pretty scary!"

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: TLW on the Big Screen

Here's hoping all you folks on the other side of the pond have a great time next Thursday evening. Seeing it on the big screen is indeed a wonderful experience.

Enjoy yourselves and please lift one for me. Have a safe trip Jan.

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Posted by:

Roger Woods

Location: Crowne Plaza

Subject: Toronto

So here I am stuck in the Crowne Plaza and leaving on Sunday when Robbie's making an appearance at Indigo Books on Tuesday. There's a Rick Danko event next week too!

Still there's the Everyman event to look forward to on Thursday. See you there Lifeboy, Karl (I'll pick you up) and Jan (I've got your ticket).

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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Trying to get ahold of Yazoo man

Sorry about this everyone, but it is my only contact at the moment. Thanks for replying so fast SUpratik, I guess your Yahoo account isnt active anymore? Anyway, I tried that email address you left and had trouble with it. Mine is Cvan3064@aol.com, email me, Ive got a few good stories for you.

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Posted by:

Yazooman

Location: Indya

Subject: Alive and kicking hard :)

Hi Calvin (and anyone else who would care to read),

I've been very much here around the GB, though lurking more than posting. Some of the recent discussion that has been taking place here is kinda boring for me. It doesn't matter a tuppence to me abt what Dems. and Reps. think and in fact it would be quite incomprehensible to most of us non-US guys what the big deal is !! I would just be happy if there was no war and nobody loses her/his life.

I also somehow feel that your take on the "Feud" is probably quite closer to the truth than most would think. Our recollections of events are always clouded by our personal memories and how we tend to exaggerate or lower our importance in these memories on the basis of how we perceive ourselves (our ego). But then, its been a long time gone and I would rather savour the music ! :)

Right now am listening to a very nice Prof. Louie & the Crowmatix radio show with Garth on accordion. Beautiful stuff.

BTW my mail id is supratik7 attherateof rediffmail dot com so you can always mail me there.

cheerio and catch ya around.

Sups aka YAZOO

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Posted by:

Alana Cook-age 24

Location: Manitoba-Canada

Subject: music for the people

Robbie does an excellent job creating music for aboriginal people. The beauty of his career is that he bagan as a regualar rock artist. He did not have to implement aboriginal music into his work because his career was alreadya sucess. I just wanted to show my appreciation. Finally, someone is contibuting positivity to and for Native people everywhere. Thank you Robbie.

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: P.S.

Thank you for the kind comments.

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Location: Paris, France
Web: My link

Subject: The Official Complete Last Waltz

Anybody feels like adding something to my updated version of Jonathan Katz on the Last Waltz different audio versions? Especially on the longer versions of each song and the different order in which they are presented (see the table at the end). http://theband.hiof.no/articles/tlw_katz.html

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond
Web: My link

Subject: Great George Harrison artlicle on new album.

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Posted by:

Todd Atkinson (Toddman)

Location: Connecticut

Subject: Barn Burner's Photos

Jan has added some photos I took of Levon Helm and the Barn Burners from June 2002 in Pine Plains, NY. Check the What's New section.

I've photographed a lot of famous people ranging from Tony Bennet to Colin Powell, but I have to say that it is a great honor to have some of my work appearing on this website. Thank you Jan.

I plan to submit more photos including the Barnburners, as well as some photos of Rick, and Levon from the late 1980's. Stay tuned...

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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: All Kinds of Band Related comments

First off, I think we all know how much we owe Jan for this website, and as several have said we clearly don't voice that often enough. So thanks Jan, it's very appreciated by me.

I have to agree with Tull about RR not showing up in 99, Levon's comments about Richard's funeral/memorial were probably quite clear in RR's minds, as well as the trouble his appearing might cause concerning Levon, and he may have decided to stay away because of that. Just the fact that Levon refused to play at the RnR HOF induction if RR was there would have been enough to signal to RR that showing up would have just been trouble. Just conjecture.

And while I clearly fall into the "Robbie obviously wrote the songs" camp, I don't agree with you comment abour Levon speading "half-truths" Ros. While I believe that by any yardstick songwriters are measured by RR wrote those songs, Levon is speaking what he believes to be the truth. As is RR. Much like you and Mr. Pike are speaking the "truth" about politics from your perspective. As I said, I'm clearly a "Robertsonian" but that doesnt mean I should be forced into viewing Levon as a bad guy, cause I dont, and I wont.

Just as an aside does anyone else find in interesting that the phrases that tumble from our keys are Robertsonian and Levonist, RR's last name and Levon's first. Probably is a freudian reflection of our relationship with them as musicians and artists (sorry Roz).

I don't find it that odd that some Band members have made only small gestures towards Jan, and some none at all, while none of them have been as appreciative as we have. I've met quite a few writers, musicians or whatever that dislike dwelling on their past works. In RR's case he has not been assocatied with the Band in 25 years. We have some regular posters here who werent alive the last time RR took the stage with the Band, other than the induction ceremony, still, you'd think he could have at least said hello to Jan while they were in the same room.

And on a personal note, has anyone heard recently from Supratik, the poster from India. WE use to chat quite a bit, even traded some CD, but I havent been able to get ahold of him in quite a while.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Sound of the City series; Robbie

Bill- I saw only three of the five Charlie Gillett sets. I’d like to buy all three, but the flood of DVDs this week was distracting (Hordes of the Things extended edition., Attack of the Clones), plus several great ones over the next two weeks. As I said I think the other two sets will be New York and Chicago. Let’s hope they sell well and he goes on to do Toronto – you should contact him with advice on that one! The other ones not in the set that would be worth doing I’d guess are Detroit (well, that’s a one label one largely), Philadelphia for the soul fans and San Francisco. Nashville is pretty well covered elsewhere. Then where do you stop? I reckon Detroit on balance has the best claim after the first five. Reading about the Stones / Allan Klein recently and it was suggested that Klein would be following the Stones remasters with a visit to the Cameo-Parkway catalogue which he owns, so that will get one part of the Philadelphia legacy in. There are a few great Cameo-Parkway things thaty have never been properly remastered, and the catalogue has only been released in fits and spurts- a nice Dovells one a few years back, a Dee Dee Sharp one too, but sound was poor. Maybe it always was. I even think that some Chubby Checker is worth revisiting- Slow Twistin', Black Cloud, one or two others.

Robbie- maybe like Van Morrison, he is unappreciative- as Van is of Wavelength. Quite a few artists have a sensible internet relationship and release a few downloadable goodies on sites, but in the end too much involvement from the subject is restrictive. They tend to dislike listings of bootlegs, then get involved in editing criticism … in many ways it’s better at arm’s length, but I think a word or two of acknowledgment to Jan would be not much gracious as absolutely essential!

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: RR

I'd prefer to give RR the benefit of the doubt on the '99 issue. He may have felt it an innappropriate time and venue to participate in anything outside of the narrow definition of the memorial service. Also, if he was aware that Levon was outside, refusing to come in while he was there, etc., he may have been particularly cautious about anybody he did not know well.That said, what Capital did to Jan was incredibly tacky. Hopefully our appreciation of his efforts will be sufficient reward!

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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: This site

We all owe Jan a word or two (at least) of appreciation for this site, which is by far the best music site I've seen on the WWW. I don't think it's outlandish to speculate that this site helped attract attention to/revive some interest in the Band, so much so that it did help create an atmosphere in which reissues, DVDs, special album sets, etc. would be much more likely. Not to mention, this is a place for us to sound off as people with something in common, liking the Band. Thank you, Jan!

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: oh yeah...Rosalind

No one has ever written "hellish" things about Levon in this guestbook?

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Posted by:

Amanda

It may not be important to me or anyone else here that Robbie knows about this site. It may not mean much to any of US that he show gratitude, but we didn't create the site. Jan shows a huge amount of dedication to The Band-more than anyone else I know of. You have to admire someone who has stayed this focused for so many years. We are all human and we all love a pat on the back for a job well done. I'm sure Robbie likes to be acknowledged for his good work. Why would Levon's feelings have anything to do with this site or be a reason for Robbie to feel negative about it? I don't get the connection there.

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

BWNWIT: I would think that someone who has put a whole lot of blood, sweat, and tears into a website promoting your music, and has flown many thousands of miles to pay respects to your good friend.. at least deserves an acknowledgement. I agree that perhaps it was not the time or place for light bantering, but a simple "thank you for coming" would've been the right thing to do.

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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: Columbia

Subject: Bob Wigo Post

Best post ever!

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Posted by:

rosalind

A couple of Jerry's lines reminded me of that song "when the Bullet Hits the bone" I ain't gonna say which lines...

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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Why is it important that Robbie either knows about this site or doesn't. Not wanting to put words in Jans mouth or anything but I sure when he started this great site it had nothing to do with getting recognition and everything to do with a labor of love. If RR came out and acknowledged it what differance would it make, it's not like hes gonna post on a nightly basis is it? to my understanding Garth and Levon both know about this site and thats great,but Ive been here a year and have yet to see either of them post, fact of the matter is they already made their contribution with this great music, the rest is up to us and I must say after being here a year its been my pleasure...

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

"How would you feel if you were Robbie Robertson and you had gone from being loved and admired for your songwriting and for producing the best rock and roll movie the world had ever seen and then had been deliberately exposed with half-truths by your ex-best friend and having Band fans thru-out the word devour it like flies eat shit."

Subject: Capitol

G-Man,

Seriously - as stated - the 1998 "offer" to take over The Band web site came from Capitol Records (the e-mails exchanged about this matter were all archived, of course). No sign of direct involvement from Robertson or any other Band members.

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Posted by:

On the bright side

...at least Jaime hasn't claimed writer's credit for material on this site yet...however, be prepared for his next album to contain "C'mon Roz, Get Off Yer Back" and "Looooooou's Neeeeeeeew Shooooooes"

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Posted by:

Bill

Peter V: Do any of the Gillett comps include our guys helping Ronnie burn through "Who Do You Love"? From what Gillett says about that record in his "Sound of The City" book would lead one to believe he rates it as one of the best records of the '60s. (Which is what it is.)

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Organ in the gypsy

No, not a Stevie Nick's post. I was not comparing Al Kooper;s playing to Garth;'s (a different class) but Al Kooper does have a knack for the effective and the muddy swirl of organ in "I Went to see the Gypsy" is perfect for the song. The drummer is either Russ Kunkel or Billy Mundi- I'd guess the former. The guitar pales next to Robbie. I always loved "New Morning" though.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Famous posters, Compilations

Bob Wigo gets my November GB award for a series of great posts- the Black Berets beat anything in my morning papers’ attempts at humour (I think they should make Last Year at Marienbad obligatory viewing in Kabul- after watching it they’ll be too lethargic to cause trouble), plus the response to Jan on RR’s lack of acknowledgment.

Jan if Capitol ask you again, I commend the classic British sitcom reply, “I’ll just say a couple of words … and the second one’s ‘off’”.

As a dissector of texts myself, there are a couple of websites in far off climes where people are wont to discuss my educational texts, sometimes unfavourably – and I have to say, though aware of their existence, I don’t post there. You’d kind of feel you were trampling into it, I understand that. On the other hand you might be too aloof (not in my case!).

Now is the season of great compilations. I’m enjoying “Further Beyond Nashville” when I can stop myself selecting REPLAY immediately “I Went To See the Gypsy “ ends. It’s such an attempt to recreate a Band ambience, except none of the playing is good enough (well, maybe the organ). I haven’t yet bought them, but Charlie Gillett’s 2 CD sets “Sound of the City” are incredible. I stood looking at New Orleans, Memphis and LA, saying I would only buy one. They were all so good, I couldn’t decide and bought none. I could make up 80% of them from my own collection, but the 20% I don’t have intrigues me. Plus the selection and the sequencing. There are five sets, I know Chicago is one of the others. I’d guess New York is the fifth.

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Posted by:

G-Man

Seriously,,Robbie and Capitol came out with such a gracious offer???

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Posted by:

Bones

Jan: The Band (including Robbie) owe you a great deal of gratitude for your labor of love here. I usually see Robbie once maybe twice a year, and I would love to know if he is truly cognizant of your work here. I know he has been told about this website, and I would NOT be surprised if he has seen it, but you really have to spend some time here to truly comprehend how detailed and thorough this place is. I will try to ask him if I get the opportunity. He has always been very gracious when I've spoken to him. I still get a little nervous around him. Clearly, he is not as approachable as other Band members, but always pleasant considering people are always all over him.

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Posted by:

HY

Subject: THE OTHER ONES

I heard they were on Conan last night....repeat tonight at 7:00 eastern on Comedy Central...with a Conan story about going with Jimmy Vivino to MSG Monday night...Butch did you go?

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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Contact from the underworld of Red Boy

Jan -- so although you were not in contact with Red Boy, you received an offer from his underworld that you had to refuse (:-) We are thankful that you kept your soul intact when you walked away from the crossroads at Hollywood & Vine.

It is now common practice among some recording labels to usurp the rights of an artist's or group's name in connection with an internet domain.

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Posted by:

Subject: Jan / RR

Jan,

Thank you for your response. An earlier post here questioning RR's knowledge of the existence of this incredible site spawned my question.

I'll simply state my feeling about this and let it go at that. RR, along with all of the other members and their families owe you a tremendous debt of gratitude as do we, their fans. It would sadden me to know that gratitude has not been expressed by any one of them.

Setting the financial impact of your work aside, your efforts to perpetuate the music and the story of The Band should be reason enough for a sincere expression of gratitude. It is my opinion that a sense of the right thing to do would be cause enough to seek you out and offer the thanks you deserve in a personal and heartfelt manner.

I am both amazed by and grateful for your efforts on a daily basis. Thank you.

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Posted by:

elise

Subject: a question

hello all, i come to you with a question i'm sure you know the answer to. was cripple creek originally written in its entirty by robertson? i'm on a quest for original songs and someone told me he didn't write it, and that it was a traditional tune. i would sure appreciate a clear up on this matter. thank you!

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Posted by:

jh

Bob,

I've only met Robertson once, at the Bearsville Theater in December 1999. Or maybe I should say "met", at least we were in the same room. Ricky, Levon and Garth all communicate(d) with us and seem(ed) to appreciate the Band site.

I have heard from Capitol Records once, when they "offered" to take over the site (including exclusive ownership, layout and content control - without paying me or anyone else anything at all) in 1998, prior to the release of _Redboy_. As an alternative to spending money on their still-existing-but-hardly-ever-updated Robertson web pages that they later created, I guess.

The Capitol Records representative that I communicated with was also "generous" enough - I'm not kidding here - to let me know that I would still have the honour of "continuing my work with the web pages", after it was moved to their server. The answer was "no" - phrased a little stronger - of course. Robbie has never contacted us, though, and we have no contact information available.

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Posted by:

Bill

Location: Toronto

Subject: Caledonia's questions

First album I ever bought was certainly some 99-cent delete - possibly either "Avenue Road" by Kensington Market or the Jack London and the Sparrows LP. The first full-price LP was likely the Jarvis Street Revue. The first one I owned, or at least received by specific request, was Gordon Lightfoot's first.

The last new CD I bought was certainly bought directly from some local musician, as that's my practice, though I can't for the life of me recall which it would have been. But I did buy a couple of second-hand CDs at a garage sale not long ago - one by the brilliant Lebanese singer Fairuz and one by four or five different Saudi singers.

How did I discover the Band? I guess in a way through the Time magazine cover story, though I must've heard a couple of songs along the way without knowing who they were by. As would be typical of my insecure countrymen, I found it difficult to believe that an important rock group could have four Canucks and just one Yank, and not the other way around. Like a typo was made along the way or something.

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: RR in Norway

Jan,

I am curious. When Robbie visited Norway in 1998 did you two meet? I don't recall ever reading about it here. My apologies if I missed it.

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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: D. Lil, Ray Pence/Caledonia. cool& fun questions

Prayers for you and your friend Diamond Lil... Ray Pence: thanks for finding Caledonias questions mentioned the other day.

Caledonia those are fun questions. should be required taking this quiz of all GB'ers.

I have time to answer now maybe, lets see...

First album I ever bought: "The Carpenters" GAG! I was 10, gimme a break!

Last Album I bought was "Shadowman" by link wray. A friend more recently got me Link Wray "Guitar Preacher" which may be the last record I ever get. The depth and scope of it is amazing.

How did I discover theBand?

When I was 15 I moved from Connecticut to St. Louis. in the summer. I had nothing to do but play with my dog or hang out at the Radio Station where my father worked, it was lonely. I saw a copy of "Befor the Flood" in the Program directors office. I was intrigued by the cover. I'd never been to a rock concert and didnt know why all those lighters and matches were lit and asked why. I only listened to top 40 at the time, mostly the Soul music, pre-disco stuff. My impression of BobDylan was that he was cool and kind of rough hewn, but interesting. The PD said take it home, its not going to get any play on this station so I did and the BTF record was my thunderbolt and I got every Dylan and Band record I could after that for the next 5 or 6 years. I never listened to top 40 again after that day.

Family musical? Absolutlety not. I dont think anyone in my family has ever played an instrument, except maybe once removed relatives on my mothers side, I didnt meet them till I was grown up. Before the Flood, Bob Dylans GReatest hits and Live Adventures of Al Kooper and Mike Bloomfield all made me want to learn to play Guitar. I played Dylan riffs on the Harmonica for a semester or so. when I saw the RCO All Stars on TV Butterfield got me into harmonica, I didnt know a harmonica could sound like that. I got a book on Harmonica by Tony Glover after that and found out who Howlin' Wolf and Sonny Boy Williamson II were and been into blues and Rock n Roll ever since.

Favorite singers: Louis Armstrong, Howlin Wolf, Al Green, Rick, Richard ,Levon, Paul Butterfield, Link Wray. Memphis Minnie, Evan Johns, Alejandro Escovedo, Lou Ann Barton.

Guitarists: Link Wray, Roy Buchanan, Memphis Minnie, Mike Bloomfield, Danny Gatton, Evan Johns, John Williams, Mel Brown. Robbie and Hubert Sumlin of course, Fred McDowell

Bass: Willie Dixon, Rick Danko, Russ Hornier

Drums: Levon. Al Jackson, Ural DeWitty, Willie Smith, Keith Moon, Mike Buck.

Keys: Garth. Sunnyland Slim, Otis Spann.The Killer.

Dj for a 1/2 hour: I'd play "Guitar Preacher" CD. I dont really know that much about music but everybody needs to hear this record, its a real treasure.

Last book read: I dont remember. Maybe the Sounes Dylan book. Most of my reading is skimming through esoteric spritual stuff. Gurdijeff lately.

oops gotta go. fun questions I'd like to hear more people stakes on this stuff...

Favorite concert memory: off hand I'd say seeing Rick Danko solo in this little coffee house before his health took a bad turn. I knew it was gonna be great but he melted my heart and went through me like a hot knife through butter. I kept pinching myself, closing my eyes and going I cant believe that voice, ands its in this room, bouncing around these walls. He also just charmed me beyond measure. Other grat memories are various Iggy Pop shows, Link Wray shows, they can not be out rocked- and Laverne Baker and Denise La Salle both blew me away.

Favorite writers: Jack London, William Irwin Thompson, William Gibson

Favorite Artists: Alberto Giacometti. Northwest Coast Native American (Totem Poles, Masks, etc.) Jan Van Eyck, Cezanne, Rembrandt, Self Taught artists, Basquiat.

Last book read Idont remember. I dont read for fun, I skim shit. I'm into bad TV now for some reason.

Levons ice Cream. I'll go with Crabgrass' suggestions. He's pretty funny.

I love the northern rocky coastlines anywhere. Vancouver Island, Norway, Welsh coast, Maine. I like vertical landcapes and big waves and big rocks making crashing waves.

Favorite dylan lyrics. the funniest are the lines from "Stuck inside of Mobile" I recited the verse about the Tea Creature looking Baffled to my dad recently. for contemplation, definitly "Desolation Row"

This has been fun for me. I'd like to see more people run through these.

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Posted by:

Walker

Location: Rockaway Beach
Web: My link

Subject: Brotherhood of the Grape

Your music is like a tank on fire! I've been listening for 20 years. now see what You help create! visit Walker and the Brotherhood of the Grape at www.brotherhoodofthegrape.com

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Posted by:

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Black Berets

Kudos to France's couragious Black Berets!! I was planning to make a trip to Afghanistan for the very same purpose but now that I know the task is in capable hands I can stay on the home front and concentrate on my efforts to make my fellow GB posters see the Truth and the Light of Reason!

After you guys mop up the Afghani operation I suggest you add Israel, Rome, Northern Ireland, and America's "Bible Belt" to your itinerary. It's a tough job but someone's got to do it if the planet is to be saved from the ravages of religious wars!

Merci beaucoup guys!!

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Flaming

Public flaming on the GB...hmmm...is behind the scenes, back-stabbing, gossiping, rumor-spreading flaming the kinder, more gentle version?

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Friends:

Anyone catch the aforementioned "Other Ones" on Conan O'Brien's show last night? (Band note - Jimmy Vivino & "The Max Weinberg 7 played "Life is a Carnival" (abridged) after the first segment of the show)...

The TOO's song choice was interesting (message-wise), musically well played, vocals more harmonious than usual (ie: the "old days"); however, the song was played at a tepid pace, seeming to go on for a few bars "too" long, and probably doing nothing to attract any "new" listeners to "GD type" music (I know - they really don't NEED any new listeners).

The performance just stood in stark contrast to the "latter day" Band shows, where the boys seemed to "rock & roll" more than in the original incarnation (which was welcome to these fans of Jerry Lee, Rolling Stones rockers (especially classic covers), great 60's bands who always found time to pay tribute to their heroes from the 50's and before, and other more "upbeat", good time music.)

We always saw The Band as consistently good in concert, taking little or no time to "get in stride", while the GD were frustratingly inconsistent (bad to mediocre to good to great) both on recordings and at shows, sometimes taking an hour or more to get into their groove (and, unfortunately, especially in their last two decades, sometimes never reaching the groove at all). The TV show, "get up there and show 'em what you got in five minutes" type of format, has never been appropriate for a band like The Grateful Dead/The Other Ones.

Last nights' TOO appearance on Conan just brought back all those comparisons.

PLH,

Mim & Har

Lil - good luck with your friend

"Jokin', tokin' and no okey dokin'"

Dr. John (describing a 1970 London recording session)

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Johnny Cash

I, along with other music lovers continue to be very happy for Johnny Cash as the release of each new album brings younger and older fans together and his record sales are soaring. I would just like to mention that over the past month or so, Columbia Records has re-released two Cash Classics and one that has not seen the light of day.

First the latter. Johnny Cash Live at Madison Square Gardens. This was recorded in 1969, the same time he had his TV show and brought us a look at Bob Dylan in a different vein. He along with wife June, Mother Maybelle, The Statler Brothers and Carl Perkins put on one heck of a show. The CD is filled with Classics and you realize what a great touring show he had. Re-released is "Live at Fulsom Prison" and "Live at San Quentin." On Both recordings the "beep" is gone on a "Boy Named Sue" and he says the very "no no" word, son of a "bitch." Hard to believe you couldn't use that word on an album at that time. He has real fun with it on Fulsom Prison and just says in outright on San Quentin. Three brilliant issues to go along with his new Rick Rubin produced CD.

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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: rich / existentialism

Hi Rich....Jean Paul Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir (jazz fans) were companions for over half a century....They never legally married.....They saw marriage as a bourgeois institution.....Apparently they believed in an open relationship but when one of them wandered who knows how they really felt......Probably my fave novel of hers was The Mandarins....As far as "Hell is other people" (from play "No Exit").....I already shared that quote in this Guest Book when a cyber buddy was being flamed once.....Unfortunately the poster proved another time that.....yes sometimes it is true.....Another rude awakening....When I'm flamed here.....sometimes I'll be sarcastic back or.......I'll act like Robbie......and not respond to public flaming....I still continue to make noise and will never be silenced here or anywhere else.....thanks to music, literature, dance, art.....First painting that turned me onto art.....Picasso's "Three Musicians".....:-D

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Robbie

I have always wondered why some of you don't believe Robbie is aware of Jan's website. Is there a reason behind this idea? I don't see how he couldn't know of it's existence.

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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: brown eyed girl/existentialism

jean paul sartre and simone de beavoir are buried together in montparnasse graveyard in paris not far from the eiffel tower. im not sure if they were married but they were certainly lovers.samuel becket and jene seberg are there too. sartre said hell is other people. at times thats dead on the mark,but thankfully not regarding this wonderful gb. dlill.my thoughts are with you regarding those sad circumstances.rich

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Jenny, "What If The Hokey Pokey Is What It's Really All About" is a Jimmy Buffet song on his new CD, which includes an excerpt from the real "Hokey Pokey." Of course, the real "Hokey Pokey" turned Japanese a few months ago...

Location: ny

Subject: stuff

C'mon Rosalind - get off your back.

Rollie = you son-of-a-gun. I like your vocal. You should have been at The Last Waltz.

Dexy = ask Robbie weather or not he ripped-off his buddies so we can close that issue once and for all. Actually, ask if he is familiar with this website, and if he ever looks in on it.

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Posted by:

At the Birchmere - Alexandria,Va.

Ozomatli - Wed- Nov.20th.

Jorma Kaukonen & Jack Casady - Tue. Dec. 10th.

Seldom Scene and Dry Branch Fire Squad (both very good bluegrass bands)-Sat. Nov.30th.

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Gangs of New York

Nice to see another Torontonian Howard Shore having a wonderful career. I remember when he was just one of the members of "Lighthouse" here in Toronto in the late 60's early 70's. Robertson will be here in Toronto in a week or two with his new Dreamworks artist once again.

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Christina

I just figure what I can out about Band songs by ear. You'll have to ask somebody else about Levon's stuff. I'm sure one of the big-deal musicians who worship Levon's mandolin playing who post on this site can help you out more than I can. Somebody tell her where the tabs to Helm's mandolin are on this site. I don't read music. I just feel things out. I never had a real teacher other than my mother and her folks.

Christina, I assume you have an electronic mando tuner. I'm going to leave my e-mail address here for you. You can e-mail me if you choose to. Tell me what brand of mandolin you have, what strings you use and so forth. My first was "Kentucky". If you're taking lessons from a half decent teacher I probably can't tell you any more than they did have.... Practice till your fingers are bloody and the top of your head feels like it's going to explode... lay the instrument down as easy as you would your new-born infant....walk away, cry out of sheer frustration, bang your head up against the wall and go back and do it all over again.

"And that's the way we tie our shoes .... Tie our shoes .... Tie our shoes.
And that's the way we tie our shoes so early in the morning"

rosalindrichardson@webtv.net

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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Gangs of N.Y. soundtrack

Bones: Last week the New York Times profiled film composer Elmer Bernstein, who has worked on the scores of Scorsese's "Cape Fear" and "Age of Innocence". Mr. Bernstein wrote a score for "Gangs of New York" which Scorsese decided not to use. According to the Times article, Scorsese decided to use a different variety of music, including a song by Bono & U2, original music from Howard Shore, and some traditional Irish music. No mention of Robbie Robertson in the piece.

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Posted by:

Bones

The soundtrack to the Scorsese film, "Gangs Of New York", is scheduled to be released on Dec. 17th. The only question I'd like to know is whether Robbie's role is that of producer ("Casino") or musician/producer ("King of Comedy") or score/producer ("Color of Money"). We'll see.

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Posted by:

Thank you everyone.

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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Southern Cross

The state of Georgia added the ANV Confederate battle flag, also known as the Cross of St. Andrew and Southern Cross, to the official state flag in 1956. Segregationists in the state legislature, led by Denmark Groover (I kid you not), sponsored this move as a protest against the federally mandated integration of schools. This was done under the guise of preserving southern heritage, even though everyone knew that was just a ruse. The Confederate battle flag, as a symbol went far beyond the typical "hell no I ain't forgettin' " good-ole boy mentality, and became a blatant racist emblem embraced by the Klu Klux Klan. Even former-Senator Groover, in recent years, has owned up and admitted that it was time to change the Georgia flag.

Governor-elect, Sonny Perdue, used the flag issue as a purely political hot-button to gain support in rural counties where white voters are in the majority. He was greatly successful in this move, having carried 95 out of 96 of those rural counties in Georgia. It comes as no shock that Perdue now seems to be backing off the issue, since the economic ramifications of returning the Southern Cross as a state symbol would be costly. Promises made on the campaign trail are easily broken, and those who don't recognize this are too wrapped up in their own delusions.

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Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Snowy Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: So many great posts!

Sorry for the upper case but this comes from the heart:
TOO MANY GREAT MESSAGES TO ANSWER TO. I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. TODAY WE HAD OUR FIRST HEAVY SNOW STORM. I DON'T WANT TO TO THINK WHAT I'LL SEE TOMORROW WHEN I OPEN THE KITCHEN WINDOW. WHAT A PLEASURE TO VISIT THIS SITE ON A NIGHT LIKE THIS.

God bless you and if you don't believe in Him (that's OK for me) stay close to your love one and keep him/her warm!
Email: woodlark.geo(a)yahoo.com
My link is "only" my gb vCard.

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Posted by:

Kevin T.

Location: Pittsburgh

Subject: The Band At Woodstock CD

I'm posting to find out if one of you folks out there might have a copy of the bootleg "THe Band At Woodstock" for trade. I saw it listed in October on this site and would like to get it. Email me at cicpgh@aol.com if you can be of help. Thanks in advance.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Midnight in the Garden

Pat, I must agree with you on that book, which I literally read without stopping while stranded on a business trip almost 3 years ago. Shortly afterwards my wife and I visited Savannah (where it is known locally as 'The Book')and stopped at many of the sights mentioned in the book. Highly recommend both The Book and the town. As to The Movie, I saw it after reading The Book and although it did its' best, you can never compare it to the reading experience. On the battle flag issue, it seems most of the negativity derives from the school desegregation era. As a symbol of slavery, there were far more slaves in bondage under the U.S. flag (counting the border states prior to The War)and for far longer than under the Confederate banner, but we do not ban it. We also have our share of religous symbols (even if not on public property)on public display, and how many wars and killings have been committed under their auspices? So, I prefer to keep the battle flag on display to honor both those who nobly served under it as well as to maintain our historical threads. Otherwise, we will surrender all of our symbols to fringe and radical groups who would subjugate them to their own designs.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

"Midnight in the Garden..." was a really great book. As is typical in the jump from literature to the big screen, the movie comes nowhere near the source. The side show about the movie Glory and the Nazi collector's efforts to disrupt its filming--absent from the movie, so don't go looking--is particularly funny.

I was reminded of the presence of the Army of Northern Virginia's battle flag in the Last Waltz (oh, you thought it was the Confederate flag?) in a news story today. Seems during the campaign that the guy that won the Georgia governorship browbeat his opponent because the heathen removed the ANV's flag from the Georgia state flag which was a combo of a number of flags. But now, after promising to allow the Georgia populace to vote to reinstate the ANV symbol (which is odd to me anyway because I would guess most Georgia troops weren't part of the ANV), the governor-elect is fudging like crazy. Which brings me back to the ANV flag in the Last Waltz. Did anyone here blanch when you first saw it back in 1978, and has your attitude towards it changed since then? Please note I haven't expressed an opinion either way on it.

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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

If you want a Band link to "The Wild Bunch", why not use L.Q. Jones, Strother Martin's gay sidekick(not reading anything into it here, Jones has said he and Martin improvised this subtext and Peckinpah loved it) who years later would be great in the underrated "Casino." L.Q., by the way, is a director himself(Boy and His Dog) and felt "Wild Bunch" went too far over the top. "Midnight In The Garden Of Good And Evil", god, one of the worst films ever. The critics actually let Clint off easy for that stinker, perhaps the worst film since the musical re-make of "Lost Horizon."

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Posted by:

Amanda

Lil:

He was a friend of mine

Every time I hear his name

Lord I just can't keep from cryin'

'Cause he was a friend of mine.

Bob Dylan

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Posted by:

Subject: Art / Rolling Thunder Revue 1975

At this very moment I happen to be listening to Billy Bragg's Purple (Acid) Rain....

A friend sent a Birthday card once that had this quote inside the card that was called HOPE and was sponsored by the Design Industries Foundation for AIDS.....

The artist disturbs, upsets, enlightens, and opens ways for a better understanding. Where those who are not artists are trying to close the book, she/he opens it and shows that there are still more pages possible......Robert Henri....The Art Spirit.....

In my opinion...."Artists" should not be the only ones who are given permission to create....When I was "close" to an abstract painter once.....I learned from him that he had to create....He told me that he had no choice.....He had to paint and that was it.....He never accepted a nine to five job but instead found work as a freelancer in the film and theatre world...and then painted when he wasn't working and had art exhibits when someone would sponsor him......It was quite the rude awakening when I finally realized that he could give to the world via his paintings....but couldn't truely give to me....and in the end I realized that I loved the artist....and not the man.....and when he realized that as well....We both heard Dylan's "Most Likely You Go Your Way, (And I'll Go Mine)"......I saw one of his paintings at an exhibition that he said I inspired him to paint called "Companion" for 3.000.00.....mixed feelings erupted.....I wasn't sure I wanted a stranger to buy the painting that had summed up our lives at one time.....

I also agree with Jean Paul Sartre..."You have to act....in order to exist".....My absolute favourite writer has always been another existentialist.....Simone De Beauvoir....I have every single novel and I started the book "America Day By Day"....her recollections of her visits to the U.S.A....

I'm not sure if I'm going to preorder Bob Dylan's The Bootleg Series Vol.5...The Rolling Thunder Revue.....because I already have the other one that was recorded at The Civic Center, Augusta, Maine on November 26th 1975 and rarely play it.....Joni Mitchell...."Edith and The Kingpin", "Coyote" and "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow"....Now there's a title! It could be because there's a lot of Joan Baez on the recording that I have.....I like her politics better than her singing (although I do like her singing with Bob on "Hard Rain") and she was one of the few women that were really making a noise in the sixties.....Any thoughts on the latest Rolling Thunder Revue recording that's available to the public? I'm still thinking about it....I may still buy this one 'cause it was the first time that I saw Dylan but I saw The Rolling Thunder Revue in Niagara Falls, New York and Toronto....not in Montreal and the other two American cities where the new boot was recorded.....I will always remember in the Falls when he began with "Hot chili peppers in the blistering sun".....

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Posted by:

roz

If my life were a piece of art I would be a fucking Picasso! Hey wait a minute....I am a Picasso...I keep forgettin'

Tiny Monster _ You babe! Thanks for lookin' that Oscar Wilde thing up. I always liked him for some reason.

Al Edge _Great post like always

Thanks everybody for puttin up with me while I was waiting on my meds to get filled at the pharmacy...They keep losing my perscriptions and I have to keep callin' them and asking " Well do ya have any layin' around on the floor that you could give me...just this once...I promise, just this once".

Does anyone here know how to tune a mandolin so it will stay in tune for at least 15 minutes? Age old question. I always wondered why mandolin players do nothin' but tune up between and _God Forbid_ even during songs. They never have fun with the crowd or join in any reindeer games on stage. They just looked pissed all the time and concentrate on that little instrument in their hands. Now I know why. Little bastards! They're perty tho and sooo soouuulful.

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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Taking It Back

You know, I am taking back whatever dumb thing I said about not liking songs to have a blatant social message. I mean Ozomatli is about as blatant and in your face as you can be and I like that a lot. I can't quite put a finger on what it is that bugs me, but whatever it is, Holly Near does it. It might be corniness. It might have something to do with artists who lack a sense of humor. Even Ozomatli who are sort of artist/activists have a sense of humor. In the middle of their set of original Latin hip hop material, they burst into Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It"--the perfect sing along. They also played the hokey pokey and the Sesame Street theme song at one point.

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about?"

Lil, hope you are OK.

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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Dylan lyrics

Although it's not a very flattering portrait of the woman in question, I always liked (and kind of identified with) "She never stumbles 'cause she's got no place to fall." Especially in my younger and poorer days.

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Posted by:

Subject: Storytellers / Musicians / Artists / Elders / Friends

Three Golden Apples

Fell From Heaven

One For The Storyteller

One For The One Who Listened

And One For The One Who Heard

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Posted by:

Jack Straw

Location: "somewhere in the middle of Montana"

Subject: Bob Dylan Concert

Tonight for the first time ever Bob did "Yea! Heavy And A Bottle of Bread" I can't wait for a CD of this one! Of course all you Bandlanders went didn't you?

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Posted by:

rosalind

If I were clean enough to touch the Holy Bible I keep hidden from myself in this apartment I would look up and quote exact scripture. When Moses came down from the mountain after receiving the Ten Commandments he found the children of Israel had collected every ounce of gold in their possession, built a golden calf and were now worshipping it. Moses was so angry that he commanded them to grind their precious golden calf into powder, mix it with water and then forced them to drink it.

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Posted by:

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: Who is Art

Ah art.., I was at a photography meeting tonight and the big debate came about the judging of the latest photography art exhibit at the place where we meet. Many complaints about what the judges liked and didn't and that there lacked consisitancy in the scoring. That struck me odd.., Consistancy in art.., now how boring would that be? Also complained about was the average review we got. It was an exciting discussion.., basically coming down to the point.., if your thin-skinned don't put your work out there. My work has been viewed at as both pedestrian and wonderfully revealing. I love the compliments and (for the most part) could care less about the negative. I do what I do, I express my way, in my own voice. One person's pedestrain is anothers pearl. What can I say. Art is very important, it's expression of the human spirit, it's interpretation of our 'free will' as beings. If you look to deep into it, you miss the point.., I believe art, in its basic form, is reactionary. Did it catch your attention.., Did it evoke a response (good, bad or otherwise)Art has no form, it has no definition, it has no boundaries.., you can even stretch it as far as..., Art is God.

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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: dlzuck at zucks.com

God Bless, Lil... and 5 more hugs from MN...

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: First 45 I Ever Purchased

It doesn't makes sense to me now; but the first 45 I ever purchased was "She Say" by The Diamonds. The 2nd was "Personality" by Lloyd Price. After that it's all a blur.

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Subject: Bob Dylan Rolling Thunder

Well, not long before Bob's new CD.

Did anyone ever see "Midnight In The Garden of Good and Evil." There was a character in the movie, the piano player Joe, played by actor Paul Hipp. Back in 1990 Hipp was in Toronto and was playing Buddy Holly in the Buddy Holly Story on stage; before going to Broadway. Playing his wife was Toronto unknown actress Jill Hennessey. I had a Rolling Thunder shirt that was given to me as a gift at the Rolling Thunder Revue in Montreal, and Hipp loved it. I gave it to him. Hope he remembers when the CD comes out. Wish I hadn't given it up.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Hug Lil

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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Caledonia

Reply to Caledonia interview questions.

1. What is the first album/cd you ever bought?

I think the first album was John Lennon’s Walls and Bridges or The Beatles 1962-1970, when I was 11. First CD is hard to remember, might have been something by Springsteen.

2. What is the last cd you bought?

The Rising, Bruce Springsteen

3. How/when did you discover the Band?

I remember seeing their records at Woolco and Rexall drug stores, places like that when I was really young. But didn’t buy one until 1978 when I was 15. Big Pink, then Last Waltz and NLSC. Had read about them in The Rolling Stone Illustrated History of Rock and Roll and in Rolling Stone magazine, The Last Waltz sounded interesting and that’s where it started. I liked Martin Scorsese’s films and the Band seemed mysterious, worldly, and cool. Much more so than Ted Nugent, Journey, Styx, the kind of stuff a lot of friends liked.

4. Is your family musical? Do you play any instruments?

I don’t think so, though my mother likes to sing in the church choir and my grandfather played the Lowrey organ. I tried to learn guitar as a teenager but wouldn’t stick with it, wanted the glory without the work.

5. Who are your favorite singers/guitar players/drummers/bass players/piano players?

Pretty tough question. Other than the Band…

Singers, John Lennon, John Fogerty, Ray Charles, Marvin Gaye, Smokey Robinson, Willie Nelson, David Hidalgo, Springsteen, Jagger, Paul Robeson

Guitarists, Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Chuck Berry, Keith Richards

Bass players, Adam Clayton, Charles Mingus

Drummers, Charlie Watts, Elvin Jones, Tommy Ramone, Max Weinberg

Piano: Herbie Hancock, Jerry Lee, Ray Charles, Roy Bittan

6. If you could be a guest DJ on your favorite radio station for one hour, what songs would you play?

This is even harder than the last. I’d have to break it into a series of mini-concerts with the Band, Dylan, Springsteen, country like Willie Nelson and Kris Kristofferson, jazz with Coltrane, Miles Davis, Mingus…Los Lobos, Steely Dan…I’d try to play obscure stuff, songs that would not normally get radio play so people could see hidden sides of the artists.

7. Do you have a favorite concert memory?

Other than seeing the Band in 1983 it would have to be Springsteen, Sept. 24, 2002, Kansas City.

8. Who are your favorite artists and writers?

Another tough one…I’m not knowledgeable on art, but I like Picasso, Warhol, Dali, but also lots of realistic painting, Frederic Remington for example…Goya…writers: controversial people like Norman Mailer, Allen Ginsberg, Thomas Pynchon, Robert Stone, Ken Kesey, Margaret Atwood.

9. What is the last book you read and/or what book are you reading now?

This isn’t fun because I’m working on a Ph.D. dissertation and never read for pleasure anymore. Tonight I’m skimming one called “Biographical Research,” it’s on methodology. The last book I read for pleasure was in 1997, Thomas Pynchon’s “Mason and Dixon.” I love to get lost in books about musicians and filmmakers, can spend lots of time just sampling and skipping around in those.

10. If Ben & Jerry's created an ice cream for Levon, what flavor should it be and what should it be named?

Sweet Peach Georgia Wine, the name says it all, or perhaps some rocky road type blend called Cripple Creek Crunch (with doughnut pieces?? Thought of a bizarre flavor with sushi pieces but that makes me queasy)…maybe Forbidden Fruit?

11. What is the most beautiful place you've ever visited? The Grand Tetons, northwestern Wyoming

12. What are some of your favorite Dylan lyrics?

Maybe the toughest of all these… “Like a Rolling Stone” never loses its force. But I like some of Dylan’s “bad” songs like “Lenny Bruce” too, where he’s making fun of those who look to him for profundity. I think a lot, maybe most of what he has done is pure wordplay, nonsense word games, no hidden meaning at all and the jokes on the interpreters…I loved just about everything on “Time out of Mind.” “Idiot Wind” is brutal, vivid.

Thank you for asking me! Sorry to take up so much space here!

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Posted by:

Candyman

Nice reply Pat. Are you talking about re-working songs in general or just re-working r&b. The "New" Band re-worked the hell out of some songs to great effect. Blind Willie McTell and Atlantic City come to mind right off. If you want to hear a re-worked blues song check out "Same thing" off Jericho. Don't get me wrong, I prefer the "Original" Band. It's just that I love the "New" Band too. They were absolutely great when I saw them in concert and I really like their records and solo work. Basically, they rocked!! Have a good one and enjoy the music.

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Posted by:

Lil Again

Sorry for the many typos in that last post. I even tried to preview it and fix things.. but alas, I got a blank page, Jan hon.. your gremlins are sleeping on the job.

Yes, I'm stalling. Signing off now. Sigh. And damn.

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Forgive the rawness of this post, but I'm very sad and semi-numb and just trying to keep my mind occupied. I have a good friend who's about to be taken off life support, and the emotional rollercoaster of waiting for that phone call is just about paralyzing me here. And so I turn to this guestbook, this community of sorts.. for some much needed diversion.

Bayou Sam: Thanks for your comment on "Jubilation". I'm afraid I'm not much for analyzing the music I like.. I just kind of enjoy it for the pleasure it gives me. I'm not very knowledgeable in the technical aspects of alot of it, but I don't think I have to be to know what makes me feel good. n\ Artists, in my own personal experience, seem to be a rare breed of passion and quirkiness. I've met alot of "big name" artists, and quite frankly, most of them were a**holes. I give no creedence to fame and fortune.. but instead I give a whole lot of respect to those who are passionate about their craft, and don't take themselves too seriously. Other than my personal friendship with Rick Danko, perhaps that's what I loved about him the most. His ability to not take himself.. or life.. too seriously. He didn't think of himself as a "star" or someone better than anyone else.. he was 'the guy next door'.. who just happened to make music for a living. That's my idea of a true 'artist'. Someone who touhces you hard without leaving a bruise.

I could go on for awhile here since I know that as long as I'm connected to the internet, my phone won't ring. I don't want my phone to ring.....

Thanks for listening. Oh.. and I have a request. Could you guys please leave your e-mail addresses in your posts again.. so I can copy them down and have them? I understand why they're not here, but I don't keep address books on the computer because of my kids using it and picking up viruses and all. So please leave your addresses once here for me so I can jot em down. Thanks. d_lilathotmail.com

Sorry for this mish-mosh of a post, I usually think a bit clearer than this. I need to disconnect now and wait for an inevitable phone call.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Band Covers, please note that I made no reference to the Band not doing covers and, in fact, referenced Mystery Train on Moondog as the one example of them slightly investigating the blues form on an album of cover songs. What I did say was that the pre-LW Band approached things in an effort to come up with something new, something rhythmicly interesting and unique. Their approach to covers is a perfect example of this effort: they radically recast their covers (Don't Do It, Lovin' You) and by doing so made them their own. Slippin 'n Slidin' was also unique in that it was the one, single slice of RnR (as opposed to Rock) that they did. With it's place as an encore, it acted as a concert/entertainment moment, but they didn't record it.

My point was that the post-LW group never approached that unique rhythm thing the Original Quintet had. Post-LW relied on tried and true blueprints, e.g. straight ahead Bo Diddly on Willie (also note the OQ's closest thing to a standard Bo Diddly beat was Don't Do It, which completely recast it when Levon halved the beat), the various blues things (which the OQ studiously avoided). I believe it's been discussed here before that the addition of a second drummer forfeited the rhythmic dexterity that the OQ had in spades as it forced the post-LW group to adopt simpler, more straight-ahead forms. I've also argued that The Band's music showed much more of a reliance on soul and RNB forms than on blues forms. Even early when they tried to record a blues tune (Key To THe Highway), they experimented with the feel in an attempt to make it more their own and less a simple recitation of a blues standard.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: The art thread

As one of the two or three people who started this art thread, I just wanted to say how interesting all the posts have been since it took off. It's one of those things I like about this little GB and why I keep coming back.

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Al's arty farty post

I just returned to the GB after typing that Oscar Wilde stuff to find your post Al, I must say I'm with you on this one regarding Roz and Pehr's stances....interesting subject, I'm enjoying this!

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Rosalind

Hi Roz

I read your last post and it jogged my memory and made me think of something I'd read once before,after rummaging through my bookcase I found it,here it is..

"It is sometimes said that the tragedy of an artist's life is that he cannot realise his ideal. But the true tragedy that dogs the steps of most artists is that they realise their ideal too absolutely. For when the ideal is realised, it is robbed of it's wonder and it's mystery, and becomes simply a new starting point for an ideal that is other than itself." OSCAR WILDE.

P.S.Phew!

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Subject: Arty Farty

Sure wish I could find the time to join in at length with this 'art' thread [not to mention the old/new and Jim Weider Band comparisons and all the other fascinating stuff on here lately] with the respect it - and those posters most concerned - merit. Sadly I've only the time to dip in for a few minutes at a time.

Simplistically on the art tack, I find there's a truth and reality and - dare I say an element of 'art' and beauty too - at both ends of the spectrum on view. Both in Roz's 'what's it all about'[nice provocative stuff Roz] and Pehrs 'what else is there' respective stances [enthralling piece Pehr]. One thing's for sure - there simply ain't no absolute truths in any of this. It's all about perspectives and criteria. At some time or another art can sure as hell enrich the most embittered soul but you try telling that to a down and out in the gutter who'd kill for a bite to eat and a warm bed. Best wait till his tummy's full and he's nice and comfy before you try enriching his existence with your Rembrandt collection. Of course, that said....

:-o)

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Posted by:

Donna

Location: PA

Subject: Zen

Bill: Do you mean Persig?

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Subject: artsy stuff

Pat = Nah, I don't have any pull - I just got lucky.

Lil = I like what you said about Jubilation. All I know is that when I play it - I like what I hear. All this deep scrutiny is making me nuts.

I'm not sure what this means, but all this art talk reminded me of the time I went to New Orleans. I was with three other people on a trip for work. After the work duties one day the other three planned to go over to the local art museum to see an exhibit of Monet paintings that was touring around. It was the craziest thing that I could think to do. This boy from New York couldn't wait to get out an feel the vibe of the French Quarter (and it's quite a vibe). I wanted to stand by the Mississippi River where the character from "Up On Cripple Creek" came down to visit Bessie. I saw some great street musicians - music is floating everywhere. I saw a fascinating grave yard where the graves are above ground. If I'd had a car to use I would have driven into swamp country to try to catch a glimpse of Ko-Ko Joe, or Amos Moses........the art museum? shit - I got a nice little one here called the Metropolitan Museum of Art in N.Y.C. if I want to see Monet.........Actually, I did buy a peice of art while I walked around; it was a great sketch of a old guy sitting on a chair playing the banjo with a great look of feeling and satisfaction on his face.

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Posted by:

Bill

Oh, THAT art!! Imagine our guys starring in the movie version of "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance". Robbie'd obviously be Phaedr... (can't remember the spelling). But who'd be the son - maybe Richard with no beard - tremendously intelligent but kind of lost and unable to cope with the demands on him. Garth could be the motorcycle, which is full of interesting bits and pieces but which doesn't have a lot to say. I guess that leaves Levon and Rick to be the other couple - they can decide who's who, or maybe they can be same sex? Songs for the soundtrack? "Across The Great Divide" for sure. Maybe we've finally found a niche for the little John / lake song that Peter hates?

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Posted by:

Band Covers

Pat, you say the pre-LW Band never would revisit stuff like "willie and the Hand". I know you mentioned this in your post, but they did a whole album of songs like this. Doesn't this count? They also performed these songs in concert too. One of their encore songs for years was "Slippin and Slidin". Did you mean that the post-LW Band would perform songs like "willie and the Hand jive" and the pre-LW Band wouldn't? I respectfully disagree. Thanks.

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Posted by:

Location: Out-There

Subject: Life v Art or Art v Life

Rozlyn Honey, I hear you and I like your mind and appreciate your gift with words but I've just got to tell you...You're wrong.

The answer to that ageless old question is ...YES...re: Does life imitate art or does art imitate life?

The fact that your "Crystal mirror" doesn't show you the way, has more to do with you than the art you've sought to ease your pain. The answers are there but the path may not be clear...When that makes sense to you, you'll know what I'm saying is true.

Your truth is your truth. No doubt. It isn't the only truth.

Never stop trying. There is no difference between art and your life. It's all in how you perceive it.

Please don't shoot the messenger....

I'm on your side

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Posted by:

Donna

(Art) "an opportunity, something to develop, an ongoing process of continuing growth and reflection".

Pehr: Beautifully writen. Thank You!

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Posted by:

Al Edge [underprivileged Brit]

Subject: Jeez Charlie lad

Let's see if I've got this straight. So there's me sweating over double Algebra with a dose of Gladstone's Foreign Policy in The East Indies to follow while you're sat there with your headphones on waxing lyrical over the virtues of Brucie's first three albums. East Street Shuffle my arse!!! No wonder you Yanks are so fuckin laid back. And what other splendid distinctions between our two educational establishments can I expect to have revealed to me in the coming weeks? No, don't tell me. My greenness has reached its max already. But let me guess. Your detention periods consisted of smoking spliffs in the company of Bob Marley while getting a blow job off Anne Bancroft? And no doubt your homework took in a ball game accompanied by triple helpings of popcorn and an Indian head massage from Ravi Shankar's daughter. Sheez kebab, knew I should have stowed away on that liner back in the fifties!!!

:-o(

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: attempt at clarification

I don't know how to explain what I meant by "Art in any form is Snake Oil" to folks who haven't reached a place in their lives where music or writing or painting couldn't make them feel better. So I will just simply apologize for saying such a "funless" "realistic" "stark" "ugly" thing here in the Band Guestbook. I'm one of those who have stood in front of a painting for hours searching for deeper meaning and answers to my own pain. I am one of those who has sung my heart "just for time to pass but as he looked to the ground he noticed no shadow did he cast" and went away blinder and emptier than I was when when I started. I pick up an instrument and attempt to make my self better by making other people smile. I'll admit that I never made much money at it but I still do it even now ... and even tho it proves to me for the millionth time that the only way out is up and I'm heading in the wrong direction. I appreciate music and books and painting and especially film a lot more than the next guy.... but there is no "real" answer it. That's what I meant by "snake oil" "golden calf" "lies" and "bullshit" I hope you all never come to that place in your lives where
Worshipping_at_the_feet_of_the_rock_and_roll_god_ can't_fix_you_right_Up!
Then you won't ever have to learn. Now that's my fucking clarification and I won't never bring it up again. It's obvious to me that I have lived my life in "Dog Years" I'll be 44 on February 3rd. I must go and add up how old I really am !

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Posted by:

Bones

John D: I'm sorry nobody was able to answer your question about Bearsville. The article made it sound like The Band recorded and practiced at Turtle Creek; however, I have never heard that name mentioned with regard to the Band's history.

The interview with Jim Weider and Randy ,I thought, was honest and well done. Remember that these are artists reviewing their own work. They're not simply bashing later Band records. I thought it was interesting that they thought part of the problem with the last two records was that there was NOT enough input from the big three.

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: "Don't Wait"

This from the Discography..

(Comments by Jubilation producer Aaron Hurwitz)

Don't Wait (K.Doherty, L.Helm & The Band)

"I work with a group from Ireland, Four Men and a Dog, and their heroes are Hank Williams, Bob Dylan and the Band. 'Don't Wait' was on a demo tape of songs Kevin Doherty, the lead singer and songwriter, wanted to record for a solo album. Levon knew he could fall right on it and we played it with him on acoustic guitar, me on accordion and Randy on drums. We had to ask Kevin if he would let the song go, but he was thrilled to have it become a Band song."

It seems very clear that Kevin Doherty wrote the song.

Pehr, I could not agree more with your assessment of "art" and its importance in the grand scheme of human endeavor. On a personal note, when I decided to take up the drums two years back I had a wonderful discussion with a friend who is a truly gifted classical guitarist. He was adamant about the pursuit of art, in whatever form, as a beautiful journey of self discovery. We talked for many hours about how that same process relates directly to so many others in our lives. Whether it be poetry or prose, chord progressions, brush strokes, shaping clay, photography, rhythmic expression, etc., the pursuit of that which enriches one's own soul is essential to our personal and communal evolution.

While I may not be the finest drummer you will encounter I am certainly richer for taking this ride. Every day I am fascinated by the process and more and more willing to persevere until the next magical moment when another piece of the puzzle reveals itself to me.

I pity anyone who can stand in the presence of truly great art, in any form, and not sense the power of a unique and singular expression from the soul of the artist.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The Band / This Band

As someone pointed out before, the pre-TLW credit is "The Band" while the 90s credit in small print seems to be "This Band." I assume they are different legal entities.

Thanks for the reply, Lil. I think it sounds "very Kevin" and while Robbie didn't consider arrangment to be a song writing credit, I 'd guess that Mr Doherty (like so many before him) found it worthwhile being generous with shared credit so as to have the honour (which indeed it is) of having a song on a Band album. And beautifully arranged and performed too. However, according to the "rules" neither arranging nor performing is songwriting.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Peter's last post

Thanks for bringing that up as I've been pondering that too. Doesn't 'The Band' include Levon Helm? The 'The Band' credit seems to serve as a means of acknowledging some sort of communal input, and Levon's separate credit as saying he did a bit more, however. It's a nice touch, but who just who are 'The Band' at the time of Jubilation, as you have pointed out. In the broadest sense, is it the 6 + session people, including Aaron Hurwitz (credited at the end of Live on Breeze Hill as 'from the Band'), is it Rick, Garth, Levon, Jim, Randy, and Richard? Is it just Levon, Rick, and Garth, or in the narrowest sense, is is just Levon and ROBBIE ROBERTSON, the only two to own interest in 'The Band'. If that's the case, theoretically, that song credit could be giving Robbie Robertson residuals on Post-TLW output!

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Posted by:

Lil Again

I just wanted to add that I _love_ the Jubilation cd simply because I do. I've never analyzed it or compared it.. I've just enjoyed it. And that's enough for me.

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: "Don't Wait"

Peter: I just read with interest your thoughts about "Don't Wait" sounding like "one man's vision". Someone had told me many months ago (and I consider this person to be a reliable source) that Mr. Doherty did indeed write the tune, originally titled "Hawkers Blues". There was some re-working and arranging between him, Levon, and the other Band members for the Jubilation cd... which I believe is how it came to be credited to everyone.

Have a good evening everyone.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Jubilation credits

Bayou Sam, thanks. For some reason, when it first came up, no one seemed interested. You obviously throw some weight around here.

And to that point. Pre-LW, the Band almost never relied on the tried and true to create music. From a previous thread, if I recall right, Mystery Train was the only blues outline they ever recorded and that was from an album of covers. Otherwise they seemed to invent their own rhythm universe. Post-LW was a different story, especially live. They recorded and performed straight blues material and visited stuff like Willy & The Hand Jive, stuff the original quintet would never have done. Even when the OQ did revisit their past, they put interesting new spins on the material. The post-LW group seemed to fall back on stock rhythic answers.

The material, at least to me, was nowhere near the originial quintet's output. I know, I know, we've played the replacement game enough, but the results were always pretty much the same, for good reason. Robertson and Richard were gifted writers, and Rick could produce at times. As another earlier thread bore out, losing Richard's writing was a huge blow.

Now we get Jim Weider's take on the end, which seems to justify many of these earlier observations. Poor choices in material and production, a loss of a supportive group attitude, fractures within the group about direction, various personal problems, etc. Although it has a patina of autumnal memories, Weider's interview is more than kind of sad.

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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Roz, you're fine on the dish out, but yer take is a little wobbly. I know Rush screens all his calls, so you only hear what you want to hear, but you can't expect that when you take your ah, viewpoint out into the real world. And rest assure, when someone condeming the "anti-jesus, pro-gay" party sees fit to STAND in JUDGEMENT of MY morals, I take it PLENTY personal. So save the talk radio blather for talk radio, or don't try to put up one way street signs after the fact.

PV, I would argue "All You Need Is Love" "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" "Fortunate Son" "41 Shots" are all fairly direct political songs. Maybe not the best the writers had to offer, but compeling none the less.

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Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: 90's Band

I too was very impressed by Jim W's comments. It was refreshing to hear. The comments don't take away from my opinion of the work, it just opens a new perspective. Did Levon's words (in his book) about the Last Waltz deter the quality and magic of that concert for us? Maybe to some but it added a new dimension to the work for me.

I like Jubilation. It isn't a great album but after HOTH, which to me, had 4 good songs and you can keep the rest, it gave me hope that a follow up to Jubilation would be another step in the right direction to recapturing the glory of the old days (to some degree). Jericho was a solid effort to but again, like all thier post LW work, the lack of their own writing/voice kept the pieces from really standing out (IMO) I was always disappointed that they didn't write more which led me to believe that RR wrote more than Levon gives him credit for. All three efforts have some very good moments but all fail in becoming standouts. On the other hand, you can make one kickin' compilation with the best works from the three cd's..,

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Posted by:

Location: Finland
Web: My link

Subject: Freshness

Thank you for reaction Bayou Sam. Oh yes, American culture is very rich...But maybe I am annoyed partly because people even here are noticing that commercial (rock) mainstream . If I had trusted 90 % of the information I get from USA, I have never found Greg Brown, Buddy Mondlock, Ulali, Seldom Scene, Lonnie Johnson, Van Dyke Parks, Charles MIngus, James Talley, Lucy Kaplansky, Albert Ayler, Keola Beamer, Tim Buckley etc...

And nowadays I am listening only 30-40 % of American music, when it was 10 -15 years ago about 60 %. Mostly it is because rock is losing its real worth. I like bands like The Strokes, Guided By The Voices and Flaming Lips very much, but overall the freshness is gone. And nostalgia is boring most of the time.

But there is wonderful freshness in ethnic cultures - in America, too. I can really understand Robbie that he has not been interested in reviving the Band. But his Native albums are timeless, not stuck in some decade and fashion like rock music. And there is freshness even in older artists like Caetano Veloso or Bruce Cockburn, because their music has never connected to rock/youth culture.

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Sports Films

Rich,

"The Club" ?

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Posted by:

Subject: Ozomatli Being SO GOOD

The Ozomatli show was like a cathartic almost religious experience. They come up to the stage through the audience drumming, and then also end the show in the audience. They are a big (10 guys) band from LA with tons of percussion and horns, and its like really souped up Latin beats and great songs, sometimes with some rapping thrown in. They are headed down to Tennessee so BWNWIT you might want to see where they will be playing. They have been on Sessions at West 54th which is how we found out about them.

We talked to them afterwards and the trombone player went to my high school and learned trombone from our band teacher, the late John Rinaldo who was a great trumpeter. My husband, who is not normally a maniac, was dancing without my having to drag him--that is how good they were. They have 2 CDs out also--Ozomatli and Embrace the Chaos.

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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: response to al.

rather late in the day al,but that recent bruce post of yours was superb. i adore bruce's music.iv seen him 8 times over the years.most memorable gigs were the 1988 tunnel of love tour. all that onstage electricity between him and patti made for a great gig.i tried to get a ticket for wembley,couldnt get one.then out of the blue i was offered one the day before.guess what? i couldnt fucking go!after reading the reviews which were uniformly awsome, you can imagine how i must feel!all the best.rich

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Posted by:

frank heatley

Location: ireland

Subject: re

Levon,s favourite western character actor is Strother Martin ''KICK HIM AGAIN LIBERTY'' really thought given the standard of the contributers to this super site someone might have got this. God bless all the veterans

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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: cheerful trivia

we welsh are sport mad. our no. 1 game is rugby which lets face it you yanks nicked it and turned it into the old gridiron extraveganza. the similarities are striking.even the bit where the big guys line up against each other and one side tries to give the ball back to the quarterback is essentially a version of rugby's scrum with our scrum half being rugby's version of a quarterback. anyway there have some great gridiron sports movies over the years. ill name the stars of 2 of my favorites. name the films.1. nick nolte.2.kris kristofferson.my fav. sports movie of all time is a film about australian rules football starring jack thompson.name the film. worst sport film ever.the one with sylvestor stallone as a soccer goalkeeper!! name the film.roz.personal attacks should be a no no on this site.sadly they do erupt from time to time.ignore it.whilst i dont agree with everything you say,wouldnt life be boring if we were all mindless automatons with no spark of individuality.this gb would be a lesser place without your sparky opinions.take care babe.rich.

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Posted by:

Location: St. Paul

Subject: Veterans Day

Thankyou Veterans....Peace be with you...

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Weider interview / The Car Pages

Jim Weider / Randy Ciarlante Section
I commented- maybe enough people haven’t read the article on ‘What’s New’. It’s very interesting on the later albums and the dynamic of the 90s Band which I think was just about visible anyway. I doubt that Rick or Garth’s voices carried the same weight as Levon’s and I think that’s evidenced by the choice of material, and the fact that Rick kept his best stuff (Drifting Away, Blue River) outside The Band. In defence of Jubilation is French Girls.

Motoring Section
Enjoyed the picture of Lpool Range Rover owners. If all the Range-Rovers in Dorset belonged to dealers we’d all be getting a contact high walking along the streets. Maybe they belong to dealers who've retired and moved to the coast on the proceeds. I got this picture of a snooty Dorset Range-Rover owner being accosted at traffic lights for drugs. The thing about large 4WDs is that a majority round here are driven by women. They’re purchased out of a real anxiety – protecting your own kids on the road. Volvo used to be sold on the same premise, with tank like fenders / bumpers. The anxiety is real, but the solution is somewhat dubious, as these vehicles handle less safely. But if you always drive around town, the poor handling may not be as relevant. As I said, protecting your own kids is laudable. Fitting bull bars which cause others to die in a 50/50 collision is not. Years ago, some research in Europe on the late 70s / early 80s tank-style Volvos indicated they had a higher crash rate than equivalent saloons because the drivers felt invulnerable and so drove more aggressively. I’ve never liked them, but I reckon in ten years time with slower reactions and poorer eyesight, and hopefully some grandchildren, I’d be tempted to get one. My sister has one because she drives the length of France several times a year and when she’s there she has her grandchild in the back seat. If you’ve driven in France you’ll understand. It’s almost as bad as that Toronto ring road!

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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

I guess Vinaroo, Springsteen and Lennon would also have to have a place among the "somehow less talented"; who have the tirmarity to tweek your banal outlook with their huffing and puffing about socail justice. And let's throw a lot of Dylan, Fogarty, Newman and more on the bondfire.

The right wing bigot, of course, always need to portray themselves as victims; like someone is stopping them from rasing there kids "moral". Jerry Fawell has been forgiven for his crude potty mouth in the wake of 9-11, compare those comments to the supposedly offensive words of Harry Belafonte and you come to understand something about our right wing media machine. As anyone who has faced up to the facts concerning the rancid witchhunt of Bill Clinton knows, the American Conservative is utterly without scrupels; they will lie, extort, cheat endlessly to acheive their ends(and then tell you "it's just politics"). Bring this up and you get a sheepish retort or insult, but little defence of the indefenceable; i.e., the septic tank morals of the right.

Cleary, Roz hates and fears homosexuals and feels a need to regulate them to second class citizenship(a need her ilk once openly expressed for African Americans). This provokes more pity than anger; when your family attended weird quasi-christan rituals that involved working yourself into a bizarre frenzy of aggitation until you believe the gibberish you are spouting is some kind of holy writ; well, the fact that we have you down to only a moderate state of dementia is acutally something of a credit to soceity. Art of course, must always be Bullsh@t to such a person; what matters is your elaborate fantasy world of a vengful God making good his promises of post life payback.

Alas, some of the gibberish remains and shows up in the Band room. Yes Roz, from time to time even those more inclinded than myself to let a nutcase like yourself ramble get discusted enough to shoot something back. Like you, however, I imangine a lot more enjoy this stuff than our willing to admit it!

I've got the Jimmy Webb "Ten Easy Pieces" CD on, where he re-record some of his best known songs with simple arrangments. Some of this stuff is awful great, and you even forgive "MacArthur Park".

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

How about that Jim Weider knocking those last Band albums. Any thoughts?

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Posted by:

DZ Again

Jeez, did that sound preachy or what... I guess I can't hide the guilty pleasure I have had listening to preachy Peter Seeger music over the years... and what's that flute/recorder song... Hills of something or nother?... beautiful stuff... anyway, peace again Roz... sounds like you've had some tough times... hope you have some better ones on out... OK, I can't resist... have you heard that Republican joke that goes... If you are not a Democratic in your 20's then you have no heart... If you are not a Republican by the time you are in your 40's then you have no brain... hee hee hee, why'd they have to give up their heart... anyway, I've heard today's MN youth don't have heroes... and if you piss them off... they just flip you a Jesse... Jeez, can't shake the preachies...

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Posted by:

Mrs. Henry, it's back there somewhere. And Bayou Sam, I was all set to consider Jim Weider's lambasting of the last two Band albums, but everyone seems to be ignoring it. G-Man, where you at on that?

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Posted by:

Quinn the Eskimo

Location: Democratic Maryland with a Republican Governor Elect

Subject: Politics

All this political stuff! I guess you didn't listen to me before. Maybe you'll listen to Mr. Zimmerman:

Girl by the whirlpool

Lookin' for a new fool

Don't follow leaders

Watch the parkin' meters

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Posted by:

mrs. Henry

I mean I'm NOT sure what Pat was answering!

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Posted by:

Mrs. Henry

Subject: Pat's Post

I agree with Pat Brennan but I'm sure what he is answering. It seem that a message or several disappeared.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Art is bullshit. That's great. Is that another one of your pronouncements? Please explain why you would post that on a music website. And your fear of drugs being sold at the 7Eleven? Last I looked, there're drugs sold at places like that. One's called alcohol, which causes untold death and misery in this world. They sell it at restaurants. And bars. Another called tobacco, responsible for how many deaths a year? They sell that at bars too. Philip Morris, right. Where do you think they donate their political capital? Yeah, right, keep the kids safe.

Location: northern va

Subject: Jen's question -wake the dead

Wake the Dead is a group of west coast musicians who periodically get together to do a few concerts and record. Their music consists of the vocal arrangements of songs by the Greatful Dead combined with Celtic traditional music and instrumentation. For example, The Reconciliation (reel) Scarlet Begonias and The Rose in the Garden(reel) are conbined into a single entity, as U. S. Blues is combined with 3 jigs and one slide (whatever that is). Although I enjoy the music very much it probably would apeal more to the devotees of folk or Irish music.

Their second album is out this months. It can also be ordered from Wake The Dead-725 Pomona Ave.- Albany, Ca. 94706. $15.00 and $1.50 for shipping of 1-5 CDs. BR

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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Caledonia

Hi, yes, I'm sorry I didn't acknowledge your invite. That is very nice of you and I will get those answers to you no later than tomorrow!

Peace

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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: d.lil/thanks

cheers lil for your kind words.as garth said on tlw, music is and always will be a force for healing.when everything else is going pearshaped, we'll always have music. on the beach on whats new.and theres me thinking id discovered the lost world.now what about hawks and doves etc.goodnight all.rich.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Jan = thanks for that "On The Beach" thing on the "what's new" page. That is some of Levon's coolest drumming for sure. He and Rick drive "Revolution Blues" like nobodys buisness. That's a nice band - Crosby, Helm, Danko, and Young. It's got a ring to it.

I drive a 1988 Chevy s-10 Blazer, with a small v-6 engine. It dosen't make me feel "cool." It's a good size for work - not too big, not too small.

Y'know, I'm the biggest supporter of topic-variety in this great GB of ours (as evidenced by my SUV thought)- but we really have veered waaaaaay off the road lately. This political thread is becoming a fekin' bore.

There! I feel better.

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There

Subject: Can't We All Just Get Along ?

Ripple
Lyrics: Robert Hunter
Music: Jerry Garcia

If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung
Would you hear my voice come through the music?
Would you hold it near, as it were your own?

It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken
Perhaps they're better left unsung
I don't know, don't really care
Let there be songs to fill the air

Ripple in still water
When there is no pebble tossed
Nor wind to blow

Reach out your hand if your cup be empty
If your cup is full may it be again
Let it be known there is a fountain
That was not made by the hands of man

There is a road, no simple highway
Between the dawn and the dark of night
And if you go, no one may follow
That path is for your steps alone

Ripple in still water
When there is no pebble tossed
Nor wind to blow

You who choose to lead must follow
But if you fall, you fall alone
If you should stand, then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way, I would take you home.

Agree to disagree and move on...

Peace, Y'All, for Christ sake...

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Posted by:

Caledonia

Ray Pence & Matthew Taylor: I posted a message for you on 11/8. Did you see it?

Amanda & Pehr: I'd be curious to see your answers to the questions I posted on 11/8 too!

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: The Motoring Section (no music relation)

By SUVs I assume you mean bulky 4WD vehicles on the urban run. Today’s paper had death statistics on these vehicles. They take 50% longer to stop than a saloon car in the dry, more in the wet; they turn over readily if swerved to avoid a collision; they cause disproportionate damage to the people and vehicles they hit. In their defence, you might avoid an accident in the first place because you can see further. It’s all personal choice, my sister has one, several friends have them. But when people fit so-called “bull bars” to them there is no excuse. You’re not going to hit a moose on the urban school run. Bull bars just kill the occupants of other cars and pedestrians- 300 to 400 deaths a year in the UK are said to be attributable to bull bars, which should be illegal. There’s a suggestion that insurance companies could and should make them effectively illegal by doubling the premiums of any vehicles fitted to them because they cause so much more damage than an ordinary car. Worse, they’re above the collapsible fender height.

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

To me, SUVs are the station wagons of the aughts. I just think it's funny how people have decided that minivans are embarrassing to own, that they're only for suburban families and soccer moms, while SUVs are somehow "cool;" when in fact it's the exact same people who are now buying SUVs! And apparently everyone has forgotten the lesson of the U.S. gas guzzlers of the '70s. The only incentive I would have to buy an SUV is, as someone mentioned, not being decapitated when I'm sideswiped by Mrs. Jones while talking on her cell phone about what time Johnny's karate practice is over. And as for what SUVs were intended for, I don't think the $50,000 leather seat, satellite-navigation Lincoln Navigator was ever intended for anything other than conquering the parking lot at Nordstroms.

Clarence Clemons had a detached, or lost, retina. I don't know how it happened. Though apparently they found it, I don't know where, maybe in his soup. He's all better now, although not well enough to salvage the ticket I've been holding since August.

The scariest thing to me about the Bush regime is the environmental impact. He already has the worst environmental record since, I can't remember whom, but pre-Kennedy. And now he's going to have no opposition. There is no way that the entire drilling in Alaska thing can be rationally viewed as anything other than paying back the big oil companies who put him in office. I can't remember the exact stats, but it was something like the oil from Alaska would be one-tenth of what the U.S. consumes, and it would take twenty years to even get that. And that's going to stop our relliance on foreign oil. Give me a break.

As for the Christians being such wonderful people, I can prove that me and Crabgrass are much better. All of the good deeds that the Christians accomplish is simply another step towards getting to heaven, and receiving eternal paradise. Since there is no heaven for BWNWITenn, anything good that I do is simply done for the sake of doing it, with no other ethereal rewards. I've thought about how many Christians would help out their fellow man if the bible instructed them not to. Imagine if the bible said, "God wants every man to be able to help themselves, no person shall grow in the Father's eyes when his problems are allayed by another man. Any difficulty a person faces was placed there by God, for a purpose, and that difficulty can be overcame by the individual alone, and God wants that person to deal with it on his own." If the bible said that, you can be damn sure the Christians wouldn't help another soul! I still would, though. I guess that makes me a better person than 97% of the world, since I'm not doing things simply for the promise of a heavenly reward.

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Posted by:

rosalind

You're the one who's not getting the point. You continue to read what you want and I'll continue to read what I want. Fair enough Sport?

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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: "The Ride"

Anyone who views life as simply "waiting for the ride" is totally missing the point. Life IS "the ride."

(Read Joseph Campbell or Krishnamurti sometime.)

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: That Would Be StuDios

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Bearsville Stusios

I appreciate the link to the article about the Bearsville Studios closing. Can someone refresh my memory? Which studio A or B or Turtle Creek was Cahoots recorded in? Thank you.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: JQuest

JQuest: I agree with most of what you said. I do not own an SUV and refuse to join the ranks of the fashionable MeToo-ists out there. I agree, they are an environmental menace, and when I have driven one I find the center of gravity unsettling, as well as the inconvenience of climbing in and out. I am 6'2" and they give me no more room than my Ford Taurus. My wife wants one and I am renting one for her when we go to Florida for next week with the hope that once experiencing one, she will no longer want one. On Bush and the environment, I won't pretend that he is an environmentalist, but much of that issue is muddied as well. The Kyoto treaty has governments providing tax support for diesel fuel because it was thought to be cleaner. Now it's been discovered to be far worse for global warming than regular fuels. The treaty also exempts countries like China and India from pollution restrictions so they can develop their economies for another 20-30 years, all the while with the potential to pollute far more than the industrialized world has to date.

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Posted by:

can't recall. too artistic

this subject of artists being more or no more humane than others is a minefield for sure. As far as I am concerned arists are no more or less humane than any other person or persons per thousands or millions sampled.People who make a living at their art are not the only artists, and cannot be the only ones considered. But i will say that a lot of artists find what might be their only form of self expression in their art. If they are also able to express themselves well verbally or in writing, they may have a shot at being decent people. The artists who find no other form of self expression than their art, might also. But alot of artists cannot relate to the world or people in any other communicable way than their art, and often transmit as pretty shitty ,in fact uncaring, people. And when an artist is frustrated, i.e., not able to express himself or herself anymore, for lack of backing, commercial acceptance dies, whatever the reason,watch out. The fangs may be bared. Maybe not. A lot deal with this well. Some don't.

What about egos? Ever see, hear, or read about an artists ego getting in the way of his or hers treating other people considerately?Does ego ever interfere with judgment? Does having your ass wiped for you make you think you live by a different standard? Artists are the same as every one else. No more or less humane.

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Posted by:

J Quest

Location: San Clemente

Subject: SUVs

Did someone comment earlier on the current appeal of SUVs? There is a new book by a former Detroit indsider, Keith Bradsher, called High & Mighty. It can convince one to get rid of the heaps fast and never admit to having owned one. They remind me of leisure suits that way (never had one, I swear). The author makes the case that the folks that use their SUV for the work they were intended are a tiny minority but the vehicle's fundamental unsafe design make them a mistake for all takers. And for those that drive regular heigth cars, in which a 5mph fender-bender with an SUV turns into a decapitation. There was an angry letter about this anti-SUV attitide that bitched about convertable Saabs - don't tell Mr. Helm.

Does anybody else here think Bush 2 is a complete disaster on enviromental matters? Although he sounded nearly Green during the recent campaign. I think it wise to invest in the snowmobile biz instead of GM now.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Fred, you made my day.

Fred, I really appreciate the fact that someone got my point. The real heroes and humanitarians in the world are the ones we never know about. Their deeds are done anonymously because their motivations were pure, without thoughts of self-aggrandizement in the process. Yes, Pat is correct that artistic expression can contribute to a more humane outlook, but it is one contributing factor, and one open to abuse. I am sure the artist behind Joe Camel was aware that their talents were being used to addict millions of underage kids to the evils of the tobacco industry. However, the anonymous artist who paints the walls in the childrens ward at your local hospital for free spreads more good kharma than we could ever calculate. In no way do I excuse corporate greed or white collar crime. But at least in this case we can call a spade a spade, versus that which accomplishes evil under the cloak of decency.

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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: Artistes

I'll tell you one thing about artists' charitability and, say, that of the typical bigtime CEO: Bigtime CEO's tend to give to funds that put the caddies at their personal golf clubs through college, or to institutions they have personally attended and that is about it. I think more artists see the big picture, and give where they see the greatest need: Farmers, the poor, combatting injustice, a safe environment for our children.

And Roz, if you vote pro-conservative in this country, you are voting against a decent future for children, because you are voting for rampant global warming and other enormous ecological disasters. Families need a planet to live on, and trees make this planet livable temperature wise and the air breathable. That is why people who understand that our lives depend on healthy forests and oceans and earthly macroecological systems do care about trees. It's not that they are more attached to trees than to people, it's that they understand we will die if we cut down enough trees and pump out enough greenhouse gases to throw everything into a tailspin. If earth's average temp. is 400 degrees, we won't have the luxury of thinking about our families now will we?

Peter: I think you make a good point about artists and messages. I mean most songs with a self-conscious deliberate message just sound preachy and often clumsy, though occasionally someone pulls it off. Bonnie Raitt said something once about how her music and her social action are pretty much two separate things for that reason. I have an aunt who is still mad a t Bob for not churning out protest songs and who just loves Pete Seeger, Holly Near, Joan Baez and anyone else with an axe to grind. For some reason I feel like jumping out a window after a few minutes of "freedom, tra la la." Not that I don't care about social issues, I just think it's hard for an artist to express their feelings about something without being heavy handed and obvious. I know we had the discussion before about how Bruce's Open All Night is really about loss of sense of place, but my aunt would reject it, thinking it's about carburetors and girlfriends.

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Posted by:

Subject: Art, altruism + Them

I love Roz’s line about “Art is just something we do while we’re waiting for the ride”- is it original? The trouble is that if you showed it to the curator at the Guggenheim he’d love it so much he’d have it painted up in the lobby, which kind of defeats it. Today’s Sunday Times tells the story- it sent a journalist to four leading London Art Museums, and he posed as a millionaire banker and offered them £1,000,000 donation on condition they put his own ‘Self portrait’ on display. The ‘painting’ had been done in 10 minutes and he’d never painted before. Three leading institutions, the British Museum, the Victoria & Albert and the Royal Academy heaped praise on it and offered to hang it. Only the Tate Modern told him to P*** off.

Multiple intelligences- altruism is a hard one to work out. I’ve always wondered why people spend their days mopping up blood, excrement and vomit in a hospital when they could be doing something else. Carers say they feel a deep sense of reward, which I don’t think I would but I’m pleased someone does. Do we actually choose to be a nurse rather than a shop assistant or a lead guitarist or a lawyer? Or are we all massaging some part of our ego with the particular brand of oil that it requires. One may seek gratitude, another a sense of usefulness to the community, another wealth, another fame, another power, another security, another more pussy than Frank Sinatra. Where does artistic expression fit? It’s something that many artists do seek. On the whole the chance of success in the arts (be it painting, writing or playing music) is so extremely slim that it’s a dumb career choice for someone seeking wealth or power, though ‘pussy’ or rather sexual gratification is probably a fairer bet., as many find artists attractive. I guess some ‘artists’ go into it to express their altruism publicly? Pete Seeger? Billy Bragg? Joan Baez? But the ones who do this seem less talented than the others. I’d conclude is that there is a ‘creative intelligence’ which is the driving force behind a lot, but not all, ‘artists’.

Enjoying the Heylin Van biography, which I’m reading slowly. I’m on Them’s residency in LA when they were so drunk and incompetent on stage that even The Doors (who were supporting them) noticed their lack of ability, tightness and tuning. Phew. “Them” must have been really bad then!

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Posted by:

Nancy

BWNWITenn: I know it sounds like a lame excuse to avoid playing at a concert, as well as being very careless indeed, but losing a retina is actually a medical emergency!!.....:)

Who lost it anyway??

I'm married to a man who is called John Birch.....yikes!! He's mostly right wing when it comes to doing the dishes and cleaning the bathroom.

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Yes He humbly said....

I chose my life's profession of playing rock guitar to show the poor misguided sheep of the world "the way" I wanted to give of myself to those less fortunate than I. I needed to do that to make my life worthwhile. I didn't do it to get pussy. I didn't do it to get praise. I didn't do it to get money. I selflessly gave of every last drop of blood in my body to feed the poor and hungry and gave every last bit of sweat on my brow to lessen the suffering of all mankind. Afterall isn't that what an artist does?

Art is Bullshit. It doesn't mean anything. It's just something to do till our ride's here. Everybody has to do something.

I wan't talking about politicians Tennessee. I was talking about the hearts and minds and morals of the faceless nameless Americans who vote conservative for the welfare of their children. Those nameless faceless Americans want to raise their children in church. To be taught morality and loyalty to family. To have the choice not to have their children be read pro-homosexual pamphets by the age of six. Not have drugs legalized and available in your local seven-eleven. Contrary to popular opinion around here Most of us don't cheat folks and sit in backrooms greedily counting our money like Lionel Barrymore's "Mr. Potter" in "It's A Wonderful Life" or "Ebenezer Scrooge" in "A Christmas Carol" We see good and bad on both sides and try and choose the lesser of two evils and hope for the best.

Newt probaby though more about his family when he was diddlin' his girlfriend..I didn't hear nothin' about that lesbo deal.

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Location: NOT a Springsteen concert!

Roz, do you think that Newt Gingrich did most of his thinking about the family while he was diddling the girlfriend, or while he was ostracizing the lesbo sister?

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Posted by:

Fred

Pat Brennan: I see your point, to a certain degree, because you know many people become artists for reasons less noble than being humane (that Ronnie Hwakins' quip about "more pussy than Frank Sinatra" comes to mind). I guess I'm just being a tad too cycnical today.If this discussion would have been taking place while I was in my early 20s then I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you!!

But comparing artists and accountants not only is that cruel (to all artists out there), but it's like comparing cats and cucumbers.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Fred, the nub of the issue is whether one's life pursuit can add or subtract to one's humanity. My point all along is that an artist as someone who is exploring humanity and attempting to somehow reflect that exploration is more likely to be humane than someone who pursues the sorts of things I mentioned before. I think the artistic pursuit can lead to a greater understanding of the human condition, and aren't we here because The Band's music has touched us in that very way? Didn't their pursuit somehow help us to understand our own lives here? I'm sorry but this seems like such a slam dunk.

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Posted by:

Chief Rock

Location: Chief ROck
Web: My link

Subject: Robbies E-mail ?

Hey anyone know Robbies e-mail ? if so contact me rezzman70@hotmail.com http://www.chiefrock.net

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Posted by:

Fred

I still stand by my belief that being an "artist" (ANY kind of artist) or undertaking the endeavour of "observing the human condition and attempting to make sense of it" does not make that person more humane. It might, but I suspect that these people were already like that before pursuing their chosen path. Also,there are many "non-artists" that are just as humane...some are even accountants (OK I'll readily admit that they are a rare breed indeed)!

furthermore, and I realize this, I should have been more clear in my rant a while back...it was directed more towards those who partake in this field ("look at me I'm helping the poor", etc) just to get good press (doesn't matter if they are on the left or the right) and do so smuggly.

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Posted by:

rosalind

I'm not even that political. Seems to me like we're all in the same boat. I don't know why politics always seem to come out of me in here It's Not My Fault! (smileyface)

John D. mentioned that "Kindred Spirits" Tribute to Johnny Cash album not so long ago. On the CMT station on Monday night they're playing a special. I just heard that on a commercial. Keb Mo gonna be on along with lots of other folks from the album. Robert Plant is on Austin City Limits tonite. Robert Plant?......mmmm

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Posted by:

Chris Collins

Location: NJ

Subject: Austin City Limits

Norah Jones will be playing Bessie Smith tonight on channel 25 WNYE NY @ 11pm eastern time. Great rendition.

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Posted by:

rosalind

I didn't want to discuss it, I wanted to say it.

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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: And another thing.....

which has nothing to do with my last post...I really enjoyed some of the commentary on TLW DVD..especially about trying to film the Bob Dylan segment (re: too many lawyers) and the comments about Van Morrison (something akin to being always in a bad mood) Plus Neil Diamond's outfit doesn't look that bad, escpecially compared with Van's.

Just a thought, would The Last Waltz have been the same (or better or worse) without the guest appearances..just strictly a Band concert (& interviews)?

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JTull: We probably wouldn't see eye to eye on many things political (but that's okay...IF we were all the same politically life wouldn't be so interesting) and you ARE Yankees fans after all {it's OK God forgives you ;)} BUT I agree 100% with you last post. Why is it if a person is considered "an artist" then he/she can get away with behaviour that poor old Joe/Jane average would have the proverbial book thrown at them?!? {This applies to atheletes, people of "higher" social standing and the like,"left" and "right"-wingers, too} Or why is it a big a deal that some movie star or a rock star donates their money or time to some cause..after all THEY have a lot of money and time at their disposal..compared to someone who has a low paying job but who volunteers or donates their precious time or money to the same types of causes (who gets little recognition)? "oh so-and-so (insert favourite star's name here) is such a wonderful human being because they .....(fill in the blank yourselves)" To which I reply "BIG F***ING DEAL. My wife and I put food on the table , pay the bills every freaking month with our not so wonderful wages and we provide for our daughter. There are many more like us in the world..where's our recognition? Oh thank you more taxes to pay!!" My grandmother, born in a little mountain village in Italy, no formal education past grade 2, put it best: Don't be intimidated or awed by people. They shit the same way we do. (A variation on the "putting their pants on one leg at a time just like we do" theme. For a little Italian lady she sure was foul-mouthed!!)

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Posted by:

Rosalind

"I Heard The News Today Oh Boy"

The French government has gone more to the right. They've decided to try and clean up France by making porn less accessable to youngsters, cracking down on prostitution and maybe working on making it illegal altogether. People's "Right" or "Left" leanings are basically a moral issue. Conservatives are, for the most part pro-family and anti-abortion. That discription I posted the other day that somebody "Ouched" at here (The vacuum nozzle and scissors routine) happens in this country everyday. Half of America says "It's a dead issue". Mostly the "Left" half. "Humane" Does that SOUND humane? No .. it sounds irresponsible. It sounds like people want to have their fun and if it so happens that they "forgot" they can just feel free to skip on down to their local abortion clinic and have it removed...like a wart. I am really sick of this liberal party claiming to be "humane".Caring more for the life of a tree or a fucking rat than a human baby. Do you know the same people that are militantly pro-choice are the same ones crying out for more humane treatment of sewer rats? Did you know that? Do ya care? All we want is a free ride. Do anything we want, F___ anybody we want. Take all the drugs we want and Party Party Party. Banish the name of God from our midst so we won't be reminded that there just may be someone watching and tallying up our personal bill and at last there might be some consequences to face. Don't hide behind the HUMANITY routine. ....It's Transparent!

"Yeah, I think we all runnin.. thinkin' we can hide
I think we all runnin'....tryin' to get away ...
But one day we're gonna realize...
We gonna meet up with the truth... Face to face..."

"Yeah it's Freedom of speech...as long as you don't say too much..."

"Pro-choice .... No Choice..
We're sending our sons and daughters to their slaughter...
Pro-choice ... No Choice"

Creative people have always tended to be on the selfish immature side. throwing tamtrums .... Immoral and prone to addictions. The sixties generation mentality blames every unfortunate thing that happens to them on someone else. (Been watching the news latey?)

Sorry this post is disconnected...I feel disconnected...My own sins are slapping me in the face!

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

JTullfan, ah, the dreaded red herring. Like I said, observing the human condition and attempting to make artistic sense out of it tends to make those who pursue that sort of thing more humane, moreso than those who design weapons of mass destruction or try to set up business deals with Osama bin Laden's father. If you care to argue the opposite of that, feel free.

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Location: I 'm really not sure
Web: My link

Subject: Rich/On The Beach

I'm quite clueless(or is that useless) at present but anyway, nice one Rich! I managed to download "On The Beach" off the net, the only place I could find it(I would of bought it!)and got a good scan of the sleeve, there is actually a webpage with a petition to(see above) re-release it(no,really!),anyway.........Enjoy!!!!

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Posted by:

Well, I'm glad to see I'm on Jim Weider's wavelength when it comes to the Band's post-LW output.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

JTullfan, yes, more humane. It is awfully simple to negate someone's humanity as you just did by compiling a laundry list of foibles. Perhaps I should post a list of Dubya's transgressions and wonder how such a lowlife became president. But I won't, solely due to time and space constraints. But it seems pretty obvious just from this little laundry list that we compiled here of left vs. right artists that artists tend to be lefties. Now you want to make it a question of money. Fair enough Marxist interpretation. However, I think if you spend your waking hours observing humanity and attempting to put those observations into words or chords or music or pictures or whatever, that very process makes you more humane, just as if you spent your waking hours counting money and angling on how to cheat people or bypass accounting laws or selling your oil stock before it tanks, well....I think you see where I'm going here.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Mark T. Gould interview

Mark T. Gould’s interview with Jim Weider & Randy Ciarlante is honest, clear and very revealing. It confirms a lot of what I’d thought too. You can see Rick’s discomfort in the later Band gigs – especially Live at Loreley. He seemed happier doing Driftin’ Away or Blue River, which The Band did once or twice then dropped. Why? Jubilation? Well, I was impressed on release because it had a theme and a definite sound, but it hasn’t weathered so well. Why did they need the Clapton visit when Jim Weider could have played it as well (in my opinion far better)? Why did they have so many guests? Why was it multi-tracked too much? They could have mixed it cleaner and crisper. They should have played up the “unplugged” aspect- they should have called it unplugged, really and stuck with the concept tied together with acoustic bass. I don’t think the 6 piece Band actually filled a track on their own. Yes, the songs on HOTH are comparatively weak. I had the impression the 3 “new” guys were working the hardest on stage too. Everything they say figures, and no one was closer.

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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Jericho Revisited

I've been listening to Jericho again lately and it's been nice to revisit it even though I think it goes downhill after "Country Boy." I too was surprised to read that Jim Weider dismisses "Jubilation" because I got the impression that most people thought this the best of the reconstituted Band records by far. I'll admit I don't have the record, nor "High on the Hog" because by that point the reconstituted Band made me feel like Martin Sheen did in "Apocalypse Now" when the Americans set up a beach party and barbecue in Vietnam: "The more they tried to make it just like home, they more they made everybody miss it."

That may be my loss; I will probably pick up "Jubilation" one day but I still can't believe in anyone else's voices alongside Rick and Levon if Richard and Robbie aren't there and if Garth is keeping a lower profile. "Little Feat" strikes me the same way without Lowell George, as does "Pink Floyd" without Roger Waters. George, Waters, and Robertson may all very well have been narcissistic control freaks and two-faced manipulators but they made things happen in the music that the replacements just can't. As great as "The Caves of Jericho" is, it still lacks the drama and authority of even the weaker songs from the classic era--it is an approximation of the golden age, not part of it. When Levon sings "Maybe they won't/You know I sure hope they don't" on "Rumor" or any of the strained lines from "Cahoots," I still stop whatever I'm doing and pay attention. Can't say the same for the late material. Enjoyable yes, often impressive and moving, unforgettable no.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: NEW YORK - we got some swamps

John Fogerty sang "Born on the Bayou", and he's from Oakland California......the lying bastard.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: a bunch of stuff, in no particular order

Lil = :-)

Woodlark = I have thought about dropping my bayou handle. I think I've said this before, but when I first visited this site several years ago now, I popped into the chatroom and saw a couple of folks chatting under Band nicknames. It even mentions "nickname" when you sign in. I grabbed "Bayou Sam" because it seemed cool. I used it in the GB and it stuck. BTW, it's the Bronx I was born in - not Brooklyn. It's like mixing up Iceland and Finland. I was born in the great Borough of the Bronx, and now live on Long Island. I've been to the South a few times and loved it - but I am a phoney Bayou guy. If anyone is losing sleep over it I'll stop this ugly charade right away.

Andrew = why did you bother with that post. I'd just like to say that Andrew's post does not reflect the views of most USAer's.

Kalervo = I found your post interesting. I feel like responding, but I'm not sure how. I love music. I don't go out of my way to listen to anything because I SHOULD. I listen to something because it strikes a chord in me - I don't consider where it came from. The kind of music that you're exposed to growing up in the US totally depends on where the hell you are. I'm a fan of Bluegrass music, but the only way to really find a variety of that music is on the web. When I visited New Orleans (Bayou country) I was drawn to Cajun and Zydeco music. Now that is a real mix of sounds. When Paul Simon put out "Graceland" I heard some great African sounds that were great. I love the way he fused those sounds with his own, but I wasn't moved to go a buy every recording by Ladysmith Black Mambazo (is that the right name?). I'm also not rich. I can't go out and buy a sixteen dollar CD just to check it out. Nowdays it's easier to preview something before purchasing it. I was walking through Grand Central Station in NYC once, and there was a street band in the station playing this really nice Latin style music. One guy had a guitar, the drummer was playing buckets. I found myself enjoying the feel of the sound, so I bought one of the tapes they were selling. It was great. I can't imagine what it's like where you live because I've never been there. I can go from one end of the FM radio dial to the other, and hear Beatles, Madonna, LL Cool J, James Taylor, Alan Jackson, Beethoven, and John Prine - all on one surf of the dial. I guess maybe we talk about music in this country because there is such a variety right here.

Music has no borders really.

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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Location: eh!

Subject: brian sz/garth doing other people's songs

Interesting point you brought up Brian. I would like to see Garth do a version of Inna Gadda Davita(spelling?). It sure couldn't be any worse than the original. Maybe he could do an old Booker T tune and jazz it up. He did a good job on Aulde Lang Syne. Maybe Robbie could write lyrics for The Genetic Method.

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Wasn't it David Crosby (or Stephen Stills) who said that Joni Mitchell has "an ego like Mussilini"? I remember an interview with her awhile ago where she talked about the crowd booing her at Live Aid, and she was saying that she was performing betwen The Who and somebody else of that ilk, Led Zeppelin, perhaps, and kind of said that those kinds of people just weren't intellegent enough to appreciate her music. And while I won't disagree with her comments about Madonna, it's a bit bizarre that she picked her to single out. Maybe she's that out of touch with current trends, but compared to Britney, Christina and Shakira, Madonna actually seems pretty talented; with the ability to write some of her own material and the intellegence to steer her career on the path she wants it.

I thought the Jim Weider interview was really interesting. I'll admit that I was never too much of a fan of his playing in The Band, I thought it (and his entire stage presence, to be honest) was a little bit too vanilla, generic and typical. There was no real edge. He said that he and Randy turned The Band into a more "boogie-rocking" group, which Rick never really liked. I thought that about the reunited Band, too, and didn't care for it much, never being much of a fan of sort of bar-band, boogie blues, which is just way overdone and not terribly interesting to begin with, in my opinion. I had always kind of assumed that it was Levon who brought this aspect to the group, although Jim did say that Levon "really dug it." It's also interesting in that he says Rick and Garth would say, "Levon's the boss." I always kind of figured that Levon pushed himself into that role once Robbie was gone, but he kind of makes it seem like the other guys acquiesced it to him. He mentions, too, that Garth brought the group into more complex directions that "at least, Robbie Robertson wanted to take it." To my ears, that kind of sounds like maybe the other guys preferred the simplistic, country/boogie sort of a thing. Garth was pretty well buried on the three new albums. He also mentions Rick having his "demons." I'll probably get yelled at by certain people for saying this, but it's always Richard who is sort of painted as the kind of lost soul, while Rick was the happy, go-lucky one. But Rick must have had some of his own issues going on, too. You just don't spend a lifetime doing heroin and blow and allow yourself to balloon up to over 300 pounds if you're a happy, well-adjusted individual. I'm not trying to be mean, but just saying that he must have had some kind of hurt going on inside of him, too. I guess that Rick's personality kind of hid that, while Richard's emphasized it. I don't entirely understand his antipathy towards Jubilation, either. I kind of think it's the best of the three. But he did say that he prefers the more rocking, boogie kind of music, which Jubilation certainly isn't. I thought it was interesting that Richard Bell hardly appears on that album. It sort of seems that The Band was pretty much falling apart at that time regardless, before Levon's cancer and Rick's death demanded it. Jim's comments about the creation of HOTH and Jubilation kind of bear that out. I wonder if they would have continued much longer anyway even if both of them had stayed healthy.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: a triple!

Just wanted to say 1) Dexy, I agree with your post totally. 2) Brien: You are right too. been reading a lot of Mark Twain lately, which only confirms it for me and 3: BEN: i agree with your last post! Is the world going to hell or what!?!?!

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Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: Bayou(?) Sam

Bayou Sam, my friend :-) I am going to go to therapy for hating New Yorkers and drummers and school photograhers. Until then, please change your screen name for "Brooklyn Sam" (or your current residence, if I don't remember right). Unless you are not from Thibodaux or Bogalusa, that is. Keep THE RHYTM!!! :-)

Enjoyed the poem, Dave The Motorola Guy :-)

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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Alas, Mitchell's comments cut deeper than simply the unspecailness of a "anything for the money" nothing like Madonna. In some small ways Madonna she has developed talent(though She could fight Bob Dylan to a draw in an acting contest), but nothing you couldn't find and develop with ten or twelve students in any average high school, given some fincail backing. What Madonna has or had is gaul, which in show bidness is basicly the same thing. To paraphrase the sarge in "Full Metal Jacket": She's as asswh@le but She has guts, and guts is enough."

Thing is, you don't have to bemoan the horrible dance music of today to relize that, save for a very few, there just aren't any Joni Mitchell's anymore(not even Joni Mitchell). The glaring exception being Ani Defranco, who is doing work absolutly the match of anything Mitchell did, and who never put herself in the posisition of getting shafted by a David Geffen.

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Posted by:

lifeboy

Subject: tonto

Never mind mate,you can't win 'em all, I'd just keep it quiet if I were you.

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Posted by:

Dexy

Subject: Weider interview on What's New

I know Jim Weider played lead and co-wrote some of the tunes, so who am I to argue, but I can't believe he'd say JUBILATION sucked. I agree JERICHO stands up the best of the three, but to me, JUBILATION's not far behind. I recently popped in HOTH, and was reminded of some damn good stuff there too. I don't get into the comparing of the '90s stuff with the original albums, but the three This Band albums to me are good stuff, played and conceived by a damn good band.

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Posted by:

tonto

one of my best friends is a tull fan

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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Finland

Subject: My Point

Andrew...You prove my point! ...Amazing! Iceland!? Have you ever seen the map of the world? Thank God for our education system!!

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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nJ
Web: My link

Subject: Bunches of various thoughts

Kalervo: For one, I wish some folks would discuss politics from other places. It would be interesting if not maybe a little educating. Also, I too have refrained from the political comments.., not sure why but probably because I have a good idea where most folks stand on issues (in a broad sense) and now it's just boring.

Maybe it's my high-mindedness but I don't think a lot of the citizenry of the USA is very clever. In fact after spending a season working promotions for Riki Lake, I can tell you the harvest is never thin for reaping nit-wits...,and that show prides itself on being the sophisticated of the bunch (Maury, Springer, Jones, etc..,)And a lot of folks here (country not web site paticipants) are too lazy to spend money on a new artist or delve into a different type of sound. I would say a quarter of my cd collection is "this looks interesting" and maybe half of those I still listen to and the rest are now on coaster duty.

I was thinking about tunes Garth could get whacky with..., How bout "Cars" by Gary Neuman.., you know the song.., I am here in my car, I can lock all my doors, I feel safest of all, in Cars, da dunt (electronic crash) Could you imagine Garth's spin with all his keyboard genius. Interesting..,

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Posted by:

JTull Fans

Location: Richmond

Subject: Crabgrass and Dylan

One album I need to defend is Slow Train Coming.As I've said before out here I am a devout agnostic, but there is something about that album, whether it is the tunes, or the insight into someones spiritual odyssey, that is very compelling to me. One of my best friends is jewish, and since I have known him he has undergone a spiritual rediscovery to the point that he is spending 4 hours every saturday in the synagogue, will not travel unless there is a synagogue of his denomination in that area, and strictly obeys most if not all jewish law and observances. Since I've known him, he has been a devout Dylan fan, and even had some of his songs played at his wedding services. His favorite album? Slow Train Coming! I've tried to kid him about this but he maintains that even though he is not christian, he really relates to the self discovery side of the album, plus the great tunes on it.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Jesse Malin

That was the review that took my attention too - I'll seek it out.

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Uncut Album Of The Month

Peter, I bought "The Fine Art Of Self Destruction" by Jesse Malin on thurs(£9.99 HMV)after reading the album of the month review in Uncut and seeing it was produced by Ryan Adams(he plays guitar on it too)and I must say I'm glad I got it,worth a listen.

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Posted by:

Lifeboy

Subject: Andrew San Francisco

Well done! You made a great job of proving Kalervo's point there(He's from Finland by the way)and just what other artists are you actually aware of that come from Iceland?

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Uncut- December issue

Richie is right about Uncut which has probably just slid past Mojo to be the best rock mag. Apart from the Robbie interview, the current issue reappraises Ry Cooder’s Chicken Skin Music, which is it seems the only record of his that he likes himself. The cover disc is the Keith Richards selection, ‘Keith’s Picks- The Devil’s Music’ which serves as a companion piece to Bill Wyman’s “Blues Odyssey” set, except this is a free cover disc. Probably more obvious selections too, but a great blues / R&B CD. They even manage to coax a couple of new quotes out of Robbie. He describes the end of The Band:

‘You would find yourself surrounded by all these people who were all like … they were in cahoots with the devil! You thought, What am I doing here? Why am I spending time with these people? Let’s get out of this place!’

Well, that echoes the cover disc title, the Devil’s Music! He also fails to mention why the first two Dylan songs weren’t used on TLW, saying ‘We didn’t use the first couple of songs’ as if there’d been a choice. He answers ‘Did the other Band members have much input into the movie?’ with ‘Not really, because they weren’t necessarily interested in this kind of stuff.’

Location: Richmond

Subject: Artists as more humane

Pat, perhaps. But if you look at the lives of many, many artists, you find a lot of broken lives, broken families, and abusive behavior. You find instances such as Roger Waters' when he spit at fans after a show in '77, Picasso's terrible treatment of his wife and kids, Hemingway's abusive behavior, John Lennon was as famous for his mean streak as his Give Peace a Chance Side, Bob Dylan's treatment of some women, etc. etc. The list is endless. If you were to claim artists were more SENSITIVE, I would agree. The humane part is questionable at best, but I suspect worse than the public at large.

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Posted by:

John W.

Web: My link

Check this link for Charlie's latest right wing rantings!

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Posted by:

jh

Subject: TLW at the Everyman

Roger, Lifeboy (?),

Freemason's Arms - yours truly'll be there, too. Lev.. God, I mean, bless Ryanair and low-price flights. Gothenburg-London for 199 Norwegian Kroner! Made us afford that posh apartment in Hampstead where we're staying for a much-needed week off in the UK. Bitter for me please, Roger.

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Posted by:

John W.

Charlie Daniels too

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Posted by:

John W.

Oh yeah Charlie Daniels too!

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Posted by:

John W.

Financial contributors to Bush Jr.'s campaign included Coal Miner's Daughter Loretta Lynn, Joe Bonsall of the Oak Ridge Boys, Larry Gatlin, and Pat Boone. Right wing rockers include Gene Simmons, the group Anthrax and of course Motor City Madman Ted Nugent. Not a very long list!

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Posted by:

rich

Location: wales

Subject: odds and sods

the latest uk uncut magazine has a nice interview with robbie to tie in with the uk release of the last waltz dvd.no 'new ' revelations but a nice interview all the same. in the same mag.is a truly epic interview with keith richards. uncut is by a mile the best music and film mag on the planet. roz,ill need a contact address to send you the warren zevon article. i havnt a clue how to do it over the net. do you need something called a scanner. my kit hasnt got one of those.its a fantastic article. i may have facilities to do it through email in work.i may be able to send it to the gb via email next week.take care rich.

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Location: Chaska, MN

I'd rather listen to Coyote than try to figure out what kinda music went with Dennis Rodman...

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Posted by:

Roger

Subject: TLW at the Everyman 21st November

I'll be there Lifeboy. Freemason's Arms at 5.00?

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Bwnwit:

Jeff 'Skunk' Baxter was reportedly considering a run for congress as a Republican. I do not know if he ever did.

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Posted by:

John D

Location: Toronto

Subject: Robbie Robertson /Cosimo Matassa

Here comes my yearly passion. Each year around this time I begin to get a little "upset" that Cosimo Matassa the man for whom there would be NO NEW ORLEANS SOUND, is usually overlooked for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

In a couple of weeks Robbie is coming back to town with his "new artist" and because he is on the board I am going to let him know my feelings. He more than most knows the history of New Orleans music. His friend Alan Toussaint wouldn't be there if it were not for Cosimo. They were really the founders of the whole movement and without Cosimo's studio there might never have been a Fats Domino. I think it is sinful that a man who recorded all the foundation of New Orleans music from Fats to Little Richard to Lloyd Price to Aaron Neville, Shirley and Lee continually is overlooked in the non-musician category. At his age I am concerned that he will pass on without getting in. Let's hope that Robbie and others on that board recognize him very soon. Thanks for reading.

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Browen Eyed Girl: Ah japanese reggae bands...quite a few and none of them really popular at the moment. There is a ska band (that is one of the big things here now, ska..but not s big as Hip-Hop &/or Hip-Hop/Metal/Grunge Japanese stlye) that is quite popular at the moment..the Tokyo Ska something or other (oops I forgot the rest of there name!) I heard (or maybe read somewhere) that the Bamboo was closing down (or has already closed down). Shame. I knew I girl oh so amny years ago who wanted to take me there but we kept putting it off. I guess I'll never know what I missed (a good time probably!) "SNIFF SNIFF"

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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: Happy Birthdays & "Musician's Musicians"

I just caught Jakob Dylan at the end of Letterman after arriving back home following a great Graham Nash evening in DC. Nash mentioned Jacob's father a few times during the evening at Lisner Auditorium (a book discussion and interview with a few songs, not a real concert), so it was weird to see the Wallflowers on TV with Jacok looking and sounding more like his father than ever.

Nash also mentioned that November 7th is Joni Mitchell's birthday, so belated happy b-day to Ms. Mitchell. Thanks for posting the anti-Madonna tirade from Joni, Crabby. Great stuff! Nash also said that there is a two disc set of Joni live with the London Symphony in the works. That sounds like a winner.

Nash had a great story about the CSNY reunion tour in 2000, when one of their 85 member road team came to him and said, "there's good news and bad news." The good news was that they had 900 songs among the four songwriters in the band, but the bad news--according to the guy--was that "450 of them are Neil's songs!"

There was a good article about the Virginia-based band called Eddie From Ohio in the WASHINGTON POST magazine on Sunday and it mentioned the fact that they watch the DVD of "The Last Waltz" among their entertainment on the RV that use as they travel around to gigs. As someone once said, The Band were--and remain--"musician's musicians."

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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Joni Mitchell / Madonna

Singing and songwriting legend Joni Mitchell can't stand Madonna.

[Same goes for me!!]

"Madonna has knocked the importance of talent out of the arena," Mitchell tells W magazine.

[I've been phoning, faxing, and e-mailing W magazine for several years with the same info and been totally ignored but now when big mouth Joni says the same exact thing suddenly it's deemed "newsworthy."]

"She's manufactured. She's made a lot of money and become the biggest star in the world by hiring the right people."

[That's always been a problem for me - I can't seem to hire the right people!!]

Regarding contemporary artists, "As long as they look good they can pitch correct them now - they can interior decorate their music. The artists don't have to play anything - they can cheat, buy songs and put their name on them, so they can build the illusion that they are creative."

[Okay, I admit I've bought a few of my GB posts from time to time, but I do read them over and give the writers explicit instructions when time allows - so I'm really ultimately the creative force behind them!!]

On Hollywood: "There is nothing duller to me than a room full of stars. There is too much effort, straining, and they're all exhibitionists."

[All too true!!]

(excerpt from NY Post 11-7-02)

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Location: ILLINOIS

JUST LISTENING TO "THE BEST OF THE BAND" I LOVE THIS CD. I HAD HEARD THEIR MUSIC IN THE PAST BUT ONLY RECENTLY (PAST 2 YEARS) "INVESTIGATED HISTORY" ON THE BAND. IT'S FUNNY, YOU HEAR SONGS YOU "KNOW" AND DON'T KNOW WHO THE PERFORMERS ARE! MY FAVORITE SONG IS "IF MAKES NO DIFFERENCE".

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Cahoots

I'm with ya on Cahoots. I remember back in the day, as it were, I always considered it one of their best. It seems to me now that it is just another link in the chain that was The Band. Each outing excellent for it's own reasons.

Ripple in still water.....

River gonna take me sing me sweet and sleepy.

She loves you Big River more than me.

Mississippi river deep and wide. Blonde headed woman on the other side.

Now she's gone gone gone and I don't worry,

I'm sittin on top of the world.

Dead songs all....you know me. I've got more.

; ^ )

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Posted by:

Joe

Location: Quidnock

Subject: River Hymns

Amen brother. "Shall we gather at the river, the beautiful, the beautiful river..." is one we sang at my Dad's funeral, with more enthusiasm than craft. Speaking of funeral songs, there's another river song that I remember from Mom's. I don't know the name but the chorus goes "Away over Jordan, with my blessed saviour; Away over Jordan, we shall wear a starry crown."

Wilco up and Rock of Ages on deck.

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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: River Songs

One of my favorite river songs is "Yes, The River Knows" by the Doors:

Free fall flow river flow
on and on it goes,
breathe under water 'til the end
Yes, the river knows.

[If I recall correctly]

Subject: TLW at Everyman Cinema

Who's going then? I can't bloody wait meself!

Good night all.

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Subject: Detached right-wing Nashville rivers

Nothing against the river thread, but it's almost too easy. How about bands that DON'T have a song that refers to water in some way? But in the spirit of cooperation, "Big Muddy" by Bruce Springsteen. (Who, by the way, went and cancelled the damn show I had tickets to since August. Who ever heard of a retina falling off?!!)

Right-winger (evil) musicians - Delbert McClinton, Mike Love, Buck Owens, Roy Acuff, and about half of every country singer you've ever heard. Probably Elvis Presley. Some of these might be debatable as to being decent musicians, but I won't even insult the word decent by mentioning Ted Nugent. All in all, it's a pretty short list compared to the left-wingers.

And listen to the ripples as they moan

I will walk alone by the black muddy river

Sing me a song of my own

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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

My brother is a real Dead Head and we used to go to lots of shows. Whenever we heard the first couple of notes of Black Muddy River, we would jump up and head for the doors because we knew that was the last song and we had heard it as the encore so many times and it's kind of dirge-like anyway. Recently I was talking to him about how many times we walked out on hearing that song, and he said, he would pay any amount of money just to hear Jerry play it live on more time today.

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Posted by:

Dave the Phone Guy

Location: near Tioga Pass

Woodlark,,,,you know a lot about my neighborhood. If you've ever visited the ghost town of Bodie you were almost in my backyard.

Already mentioned Black Muddy River by Hunter/Garcia gets my vote.Play that one at my wake and burn a fatty.

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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

Subject: Love Is A River (Fuqua/Brown) The Moonglows

Love is a river rolling to the sea

Love is a river flowing gently to me

Love is the rapture I see in your eyes

Love is a heartache, happiness in disguise...

I ride that river, traveling to the sea

"Love," cries the river, whispering softly to me

Whispering softly to me.

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Location: Along the Delaware

Subject: Rivers

Washington crossed the Delaware from Pennsylvania to Trenton, NJ. There is a Washington's Crossing State Park north of New Hope on the PA side. (Rte. 611, I think). The Washington/Potomac story was skipping silver dollars across, wasn't it?

Randy Newman: Burn On (about the Cayohoga river catching fire in the Seventies)

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Posted by:

Jen

Location: New York
Web: My link

Subject: To Bonnie Recore

Bonnie. You can get School for Fools at www.cousinmoemusic.com. Lots of pictures of Levon there also. Looks like these guys had a blast. I bought it there and paid with Paypal. You can also buy it at cd baby.com.

Wake the Dead is a cool name for a project. Who is it? What is it? I'd love to know.

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Posted by:

pehr

Subject: river hims

Peter Viney's hero Pete Seeger has a few river songs, such as "Waist Deep In the Big Muddy" and a version of the Kingston Trio's "Michael Row Your Boat Ashore". I saw a program on PBS of Dr. Wayne Dyer saying the meaning of life is contained in "Row, Row ,Row Your Boat Gently Down the Stream".

Grateful Dead, "Big River".

Richard: Alot of politics in the music of Peter Tosh, Bob Marley, Big Youth, etc.

But are there any decent Right wing singers/Songwriters out there?

Some People think that Hitler guy was a pretty good painter;)

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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny (Rappahannock River Country)

Subject: Rivers & Others

I'm getting ready to cross the Potomac into DC this evening to hear Graham Nash talk about his book and CD package called "Off the Record: Songwriters on Songwriting," but just wanted to add one more of my favorite river songs to the list. Bruce Hornsby's "Across the River" (featuring Jerry Garcia on guitar) is a great recording but one that has actually evolved and improved in live performance over the years. I imagine that the same would have been true of "The River Hymn" if Levon would have liked the song well enough to sing it in concert.

Tom Rush just announced that Garth Hudson "did some wonderful parts" for Tom's next studio album, though there is no release date set yet.

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Rivers / Inductees

Old Riverman - John Hartford and Bill Monroe

On the "Mountain Stage" radio broadcast from several years back that had Rick and Garth on I heard song by another guest called "The River"

"I've seen those paddle-wheelers rollin' south on summer day ...
I've seen lovers at the guard-rails with stars in their lemonade...
And I've seen the hobos gatherin' where their banjos grace the breeze...
and I've reached out for the river like it reaches for the sea..."

I could have got some of the lyrics wrong..it's been a long time.

I always thought Robbie's "River Hymn" was about drowning in love.

Hall of Fame. Lame again.

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Posted by:

Paul Schoninger

Location: Lexington, KY

Subject: Photos of Levon w/Little Feat

There's a lot of great photos of Levon with Little Feat from the "Waiting for Columbus" show at the Lisner Theatre in Washington at featfanphotos.net Some have already been linked to Jan's site. Paul

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Posted by:

Bill

First, I think I mixed the Potomac with the Delaware last post, but maybe not. Anyway, the whole thing about crossing whichever made me think of the wonderful cover of "Freedomburger" by, I think, the New York Rock and Roll Ensemble or something like that. Shows George and co. crossing the whichever on a hamburger.

Second, WS Walcott may or may not have been being subtle in asking who replaced Bachman in the Guess Who, as he was replaced by two guys - Kurt Winter and Greg Leskiw. The latter pushed off after a couple of LPs and started up his own band, the brilliant Mood Dja Dja whose LP I mentioned yesterday. Leskiw, by the way, was replaced by Don MacDougall, and both Winter and MacDougall were replaced a few years later by Domenic Troiano - who has also been mentioned here a few times of late. Everything connects.

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Posted by:

Bones

Elvis Costello, The Clash, The Police, AC/DC, and The Righteous Brothers will be the new Rock Hall Of Fame Inductees on March 10th, 2003. Robbie is on the selection committee for "sideman" and "non-performer" inductees which will be announced at a later date.

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Posted by:

Location: the floodplain

Subject: rivers

Maybe I missed it, but has anyone mentioned Dylan's amazing "Watching the River Flow?" I think the stupendous Leon Russell infected this song with his great ability to pull and push the beat. A very Band-like quality that he also contributed to Cocker's "Cry Me A River." Leon knows a thing or two about rivers, I bet.

The subject would be a great one for a compilation. I'd have Joni for sure (on the disc). Plus Richard & Linda Thompson's "Easy Rider." Opening tune would be CCR "Green River," a true rock'n'roll masterpiece.

It was "Echo Beach" (not lake) by Martha and the Muffins, out of Toronto I believe (at least the LP cover was a map of TO, somewhat reminiscent of one of the Chicago LPs).

As far as RR guitar bits, I always like the lead-in to the bridge on "Jemimah Surrender," plus all the lines with, around and against the piano on the loud verses of "Caledonia Mission."

"I'm gonna go down by the water, but I ain't gonna jump in, no, no...."

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: "Stung" By A Snake ?

Thanks Lifeboy, I'm gettin old. But what the heck is that song about anyways....?

I know, I know, you've probably been all over it but I was sick that day....Anybody....?...."The Moon Struck One"....Why not 1:15 or 2:00 PM ? Was that 1:00 AM or PM ?

Damn....

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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Blonde On Blonde sessions

Another indication that a version of "One Of Us Must Know" from the N.Y. sessions was used on BOB is that Michael Krogsgaard's examination of Columbia's studio logs has thus far shown that Dylan did not record a version of the song in Nashville.

Listening to that song on the new Sundazed mono reissue, I find it hard to pick out anything distinguishing about the guitar & bass that might indicate Robbie & Rick. The guitar parts stick with the chords & root notes with no real lead. The song, however, is dominated by the piano & organ, and it does sound like Kooper & Griffin. The drums are somewhat muted and it doesn't sound like Kenny Buttrey (from the Nashville sessions) to me. Listening to various released versions of the song, it's easy to hear where the tape was edited at one point, as Krogsgaard & Roger Ford have written.

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Posted by:

Roger Woods

Location: Moseley, Birmingham UK

Subject: Rivers

Matapedia - Kate and Anna The River Hymn Graceland - Paul S

Thanks for all the Christmas suggestions folks.

I have a spare ticket for The Last Waltz showing at the Everyman in Hampstead 2 weeks today. Anyone want it?

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Posted by:

lifeboy

Subject: Tiny Monster

The song with the snake and lake is "The Moon Struck One".

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Posted by:

Johnny Rivers

Location: Inside Charlie Young's Computer

Subject: River & Water Songs

The Band's song, "The River Hymn" always struck me as Robbie's way of paying tribute to some great archetypal American songs including one of my favorites that mentions a Virginia River, "Oh Shenandoah." As far as actual hymns that mention rivers there is the classic "(Shall We Gather) At the River," one that I remember from the Southern Baptist Church my grandparents attended in the Blue Ridge Mountains. A version of that song just turned up on RCA's Heritage label's "Bristol Sessions, Volume One" recorded in 1927 in those same Blue Ridge Mountains.

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Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Mr. Walcott - Careful with your use of the word Canuck. My grandfather was French Canadian and he was very sensitive to the use of this perjoritive. It's amazing there is a hockey team in Vancouver called by this name, in these days of political correctness where people can be offended by names like "Redskins" and "Braves". To French Canadians this is like the "N" word.

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Posted by:

Matthew Taylor

Location: London, Ontario area

Subject: foundation of music

i'm 20, obviously younger than the average band fan, but i must say the music is life affirming. It's the foundation for talent today. i live like 20 minutes from the reservation where robbie spent time and it's so cool to think that he actually wrote music there. I mean, Garth Hudson is from london too, and thats close. I guess what i'm saying is that i think the bands music isn't regarded as high as it should be anywhere.

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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: palisades park/water songs

There is absolutely no connection between Palisades Park and the Band. Although I think Levon rode the ferris wheel once. It was just a trivia question.

Richard = I would give u some Canadian rock trivia, but I don't know any. How embarrassing is that? OK I got one. Who replaced Randy Bachman in The Guess Who?

Water Songs:

River Deep Mountain High, recorded by scores of different artists.

Echo Lake, by some Canuck group

Somebody Bring Me Some Water, by some lesbian. Sorry, don't get offended. I could not resist.

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Posted by:

Bumbles

Location: The Garden State

The Robert J. Gregg noted in connection with the 'Blonde on Blonde' sessions was also the Hawks' easy-to-overlook drummer in the brief period between Levon & Mickey Jones, playing on a handful of dates, including the December '65 Berkely show bootleged as 'Long Distance Operator.'

River songs? Charlie Poole's 'If the River Was Whiskey.'

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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Blonde On Blonde sessions

Most of the songs from the New York sessions that did not make it onto BOB have turned up on various bootlegs, as singles or as part of the official bootleg series. The official releases include "Jet Pilot", "Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window", "I Wanna Be Your Lover", "I'll Keep It With Mine" and "She's Your Lover Now".

With access to the studio logs, Michael Krogsgaard found that the musicians for the Jan. 21, 1966 session for "She's Your Lover Now" (from the Bootleg series) were: Sandy Konikoff (drums), Garth Hudson (organ), Rick Danko (bass), Richard Manuel (piano), Robbie Robertson (guitar) and Michael John (?).

The studio logs also show that Joseph Souter (Jr.), a/k/a Joe South, early played guitar on one of the early N.Y. sessions (Nov. 30, 1965). Mr. South of course, later played on the Nashville sessions for BOB. The studio logs reveal that he played bass as well as guitar. According to Mr. Krogsgaard's research, Joe South played bass on the version of "Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands" that was included on the album.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

I'm sorry, Karla Bonoff.

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Posted by:

Fred

Muddy WATERS

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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: We're takin' on Water

The Sea Refuses No River- Pete Towshend

I Am The Sea; Sea and Sand; and for those who never took lessons at the Y: Drowned - the Who

Going To the River-Taj Mahal's version of a Fats Domino song

and for those who DID take lessons at the Y: Swimming-Peter Gabriel

Burn On Big River- Randy Newman

Fatman in the Bathtub-Little Feat. OK so technically a bathtub is not a body of water, still...

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: River Songs

The best river song--and perhaps the shortest--is the Byrds "Ballad of Easy Rider." The version from the movie (at the end) is beautiful, but the re-recorded work is transcendent. The use of The Weight in that movie, despite the edits, was also quite moving.

Did anyone mention Garth's accordian work on The River Is Wide from, uhhh, was it Wendy Waldman?

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Posted by:

Subject: Never Enough Water in Music

Don't forget Van "the Man" who puts references to rivers and streams in a ton of his songs TC

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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Never Enough Water in Music

Bill: You mentioned in one of your posts about rivers in music......It reminded me of water, water, everywhere in music:

Moon River...Andy Williams
River Of Dreams...Billy Joel
This Is The Sea...The WATERboys
By The River Dark...Leonard Cohen
New Orleans Is Sinking...Tragically Hip
St. Lawrence River...David Usher
Miami Beach...Garland Jeffreys
Take Me To The River...Al Green (I saw him perform at a Reggae Fest at Lamport Stadium) Levon Helm, Bryan Ferry, Talking Heads, Etta James, Al Green, Lenny Kravitz, B.B. King, Sheryl Crow
Cry Me A River...Joe Cocker, Billy Holiday, Dexter Gordon, Ella Fitzgerald, Diana Krall, Sam Cooke......
And of course there's Newfoundland's Big SEA, Billy OCEAN, Johnny RIVERS, Little RIVER Band...........and.....and.....

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Posted by:

Jens Magnus

Location: Norway

Subject: palisades park

WS. "Palisades park" written by Chuck Barris. Band connection?

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Posted by:

rollie

Location: scroll thru

Subject: Fred

You're absolutely right somethings going to happen. Michael Ruppert reported the same thing you're witnessing on his web page, "from the wilderness".Troops have been steadily deployed since before 9-11.

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Posted by:

roslyn

I never knew the lyrics to that song. Hey do ya think Barris could have won that $500.00 check singin' his own Song on the Gong?

Richie - I'd love to read that Warren Zevon article you mentioned the other day.

Al Edge - Great Springsteen Post!

Cheese n' Hair-pieceburgers for everyone !

Oh Fred - Sorry for misundestanding your post man.

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: J Tull Fan

Ernie Cate has a broken hip & very bad chest & rib bruises. I have heard that he will be on crutches for awhile. The other band members were banged up, but not seriously injured.

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Posted by:

Tiny Monster

Location: Out-There
Web: My link

Subject: Chuck Berris

Hey Roslyn....Yep (see "My link")....

Puters been down, upgraded, expanded, re-loaded, so I'm wondering.....Does this still have to connect somehow to The Band?.....Oh, Yea, there it is....

The Repugnicans are in command now folks....Lock-n-Load

Peace-n-Cheeseburgers

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Posted by:

Richard

Location: Benxi

Subject: Buncha stuff...

Hey FRED, China's uh... INTERESTING. Still waiting for the day when it's OK for all the comrades to turn the heat on in their apartments. (It's been unseasonable warm here... above freezing - who needs heat right?) At least we all suffer together.

Location of BENXI: If you were to look at a map of East Asia, you would find Benxi (a small town - only a million and a half people :-) not far from the northern coast of the Korean Bay. I'm about 45 minutes from Shenyang (the capital of the Liaoning province).

Dr.John: I've been told that lingo Dr John is speaking is somthin' called 'merican. It ain't 'umble but it's 'eavy.

Christmas fave rave: Elvis "Merry Christmas Baby"

PEHR: I agree, politics and rock and roll are not a good match. A style of music originally conceived by Bohemian Lefties is never gonna be at ease around a bunch of Hawks. But forget about the political mismatch for a moment and just look at it in aesthetic terms... The Clash are the only band I can think of who made their politics stick to your ribs. Comments MATTK?

WALCOTT: Ask more Canadian questions... I don't know the answers to those ones.

Last item: STAND UP rocks!

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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: LEVON on SCTV

brown eyed girl

Subject: B.O.B

Sessions for B.O.B in Columbia's New York Studios......One taping there was eleven-hours...........but produced nil. When the sessions began in Nashville in 1966.....things came together......(The Mayo Clinic of Pop)......On the B.O.B sessions in Nashville.....

Wayne Moss
Charlie McCoy
Kenneth Buttrey
Hargus Robbins
Jerry Kennedy
Joe South
Al Kooper
Bill Aikins
Henry Strzeleci
Robbie Robertson

One Of Us Must Know (Sooner Or Later)..."This brisk rouser ticks away in 4/4 like Big Ben on speed" (Just looking at the cover photo of Bob gives us clues of what's in store)....What sets the pace?....piano block chords..........A New York-made single with Band backing......Hmmmm....Shelton wrote that nothing materialised in NY so......

One Of Us Must Know (Sooner Or later).....One level....difficulties of intimacy....A lover that turned on him?.....Another level.....talking to the folk world?....

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Posted by:

WS Walcott

Subject: more trivia

Who wrote The Beach Boys hit, "Kokomo"????????

Bayou Sam should get this one.

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Posted by:

Subject: Dylan

Apparently nine songs were cut in three days for "Blonde On Blonde" (BOB?).....including a version of "LSPBH".....apparently with doorbell noises but Dylan decided to record the version which was cut at the Nashville Sessions....

"BOB".....Recorded on October 5, 1965 to March 10, 1966 and released on May 16, 1966...
Columbia Studios New York Januaray 25, 1966 recorded "LSPBH" and "One Of Us Must Know (Sooner Or Later)....
Columbia Studios New York on January 27, 1966....."LSPBH".....
Columbia Music Row Studios Nashville...February 14, 1966 recorded "LSPBH"...
Nashville...March 10, 1966...."LSPBH"

Al Kooper, bassist Harvey Brooks, Robbie and Levon backed Dylan at Forest Hill in 1965 during electric set....

"Tombstone Blues"
"I Don't Believe You"
"From A Buick 6"
"Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues"
"Maggie's Farm" (check out also Rage Against The Machine's version)
"It Ain't Me, Babe"
"Ballad Of A Thin Man"
"Like A Rolling Stone"......(L'Etranger revisited)

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Posted by:

Fred

I have vague recollections about seeing Levon on Ronnie Hawkins' TV program (Canadian TV) back in the early 1980s I don't remeber if the others (Rick Richard & Garth) were on, too. The song I remeber being Blaze Of Glory.

re Levon on SCTV....that's a good one.

to all concerned (pro or anti-war) I can tell something is going to happen vis-a-vis Iraq as USMC fighters and transport planes have stepped up their flying in the last few days. There's a Marine Corps Air base about 20 odd kilometres away from our house, so we're in their flight path.

What's the deal with the ORANGE CRUSH cans and bottles in TLW? A forerunner of product placement?

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Posted by:

O'toole, where is South Beach, and do they deliver to Texas?

Subject: From Pehr

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Posted by:

O'Toole

Subject: Big Pink Resturant

I was on South Beach this past weekend to see Elvis Costello in concert (a killer show!) and my girlfriend and I stopped into a restaurant I'd read about but never had the impetus to get to called...(big 'night they drove ol' dixie down' drum roll) ...Big Pink! Upon first glance it appeared like a typically retro styled South Beach Burger joint. But when I asked our waitress why it was called Big Pink she replied, "It has something to do with some Bob Dylan album," and walked off with our orders. My girlfriend cringed. I knew my food was gonna taste good no matter what!

Subject: Jim Weider Band

Hey Bash,,,agree with your view!! John W. get ready for a great show!! Jimmy Weider is the WIZARD of the Tele! When ya think he's tirin out and runnin out gas,,well he just creates soemthing new!! Rando is one of the best drummers around,,and in JWB he really get's on a roll!! ALbert Rogers is a smooth,,smooth bass player! Rando and ALbert really take the vocals to a super level!! Dan Mckinney on the keys is the something special! Great player and showman!! He knows when to hit with some solid hits!

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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: Jim Weider

John W. regarding your post-Have you seen Jim and Randy lately?on Sat night you will see 2 former Band members who have grown by leaps and bounds.I personally think their talents were actually held back during the last few years in that unit. Not purposely, mind you, I'm not saying there was a plot by the senior members to hold them back. But, after experiencing the freedom to explore in any direction they choose for the last few years their writing, playing, and singing have grown enormously(I'm trying to think of an adjective that fits, and that's a pretty accurate one).I've seen them a half-dozen times since June(the infamous Sacketts Harbor party)and they are more musically adventurous every time. The current lineup is relatively new, they have been together less than a year after replacing the longtime Guru's lineup, but they are excellent and have come a real long way ina short time. You will hear a very talented and experienced keyboardist, and the bassplayer/vocalist/newlywed has a real sweet voice. And they are all real nice guys. You will have a good time on Sat, say hi to some of my buddies who will be there there, they are nice guys too.

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Posted by:

Bonnie Recore

Location: northern va

Subject: Politics and questions about locating music

Rosalind, be nice. I am in shock. Actually, I'm still in deep mourning over the death of the liberal ideological icon Paul Wellstone. Do you think I should wear black? One good thing to come out of the election is that the Republicans are going to have to purduce results instead of rhetoric, put up or shut up.

Listing to my new cd by Wake the Dead I ran across a song I was not familiar with Prodigal Town. What Greatful Dead album was the song recorded on? Or was it like Lazy River Road written by Hunter and Garcia for the dead but never recorded. Question two, did Ralph Stanley every record anthing with Lucinda Williams? Listening to Stainglass Bluegrass last weekend, I beleive I heard them singing together.(?) Also where do I purchase School for Fools? BR

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Maybe we can get Ozzy to translate Dr. John. I heard a DJ interview Ozzy live on the radio one time, I've never felt so sorry for anyone!

Let's not forget that a very large part of the reason why the Republicans had such a large win is because the current "administration" has spent the vast majority of the last five months doing nothing other than going on vacation and campaigning. At least now that this election business is over, we'll get to stop having to hear about avenging Daddy. And Roz, you can celebrate your victory, but just make damn sure that you don't accidentally get pregnant, or get laid off then get sick, and book that trip to Alaska and a few national parks while they're still there. But I told everyone in 2000 that if we had another Bush in the White House we'd have another recession and war in the Middle East, so what do I know? It's amazing how quickly people can forget nine years. At least this one learned from his dad and isn't insisting that there is no recession. "You're all wrong! It's just your imagination!"

Actually, Pat, I don't really think that Roe v. Wade will be overturned, because the Republicans know that the vast majority of Americans are pro-choice. They simply take the pro-life stance because they're smart enough to realize that it gets them the vote of the moron members of the religious right who are stupid enough to believe that they really care about stuff like that. The best thing that the Republicans ever did for themselves was to somehow align themselves with the conservative Christians. So now the Republicans, whose basic mantra is to give breaks to big corporations and the richest tenth of the population, are somehow seen by these people as being moral and doing God's work, while the Democrats, who are usually accused of wanting to take other people's money and give it to the poor and underserving, are evil. What was it Jesus said again?

BTW, it's interesting that the Republicans, Christians and Rush Limbaugh-types have somehow managed to convince certain people that "commie pinko red" and "liberal democratic left wing" are somehow synonymous.

Man, the non-Americans here (Whoops. Foreign-Americans. Sorry.) must be getting bored senseless just about now. BTW, Merry Belated Guy Fawkes Day. Burn a bush for me.

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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Subject: Blonde On Blonde

Pat B.: The Sundazed mono reissue doesn't include any new liner notes relating to the recording -- it just reproduces the original gate-fold LP cover (minus the photo of Claudia Cardinale).

Clinton Heylin, Roger Ford, Michael Krogsgaard & others have researched the recording sessions. The consensus seems to be that the version of "One of Us Must Know (Sooner or Later)" recorded in New York on January 25, 1966 was included on the album. Sony allowed Mr. Krogsgaard access to their Columbia recording logs, tape boxes & other info.

The session logs for Jan. 25th list the musicians as: Robert J. Gregg (drums), William E. Lee (bass), Paul Griffin (piano), Richard Danko (bass), Al Kooper (organ) and Robbie Robertson (guitar). Bob Johnson was listed as producer, with engineers (Roy) Halee, Dauria & Keyes. In addition to multiple takes of "One of Us Must Know", two takes of "Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat" were also recorded that day. It is interesting to note that bassist William Lee is the father of film director "Spike" Lee and that engineer Roy Halee, who also worked on "Highway 61 Revisited", went on to do some of his best work with Simon & Garfunkel.

Records also indicate that there may have been a subsequent session on Jan. 27 with Gregg, Danko, Kooper & Robertson where some inserts or overdubs were recorded for "One of Us Must Know".

I would be interested to know if Robertson and Kooper have stated whether or not the version recorded in New York was the one included on the album. Anybody else have some insight or further info on this?

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Subject: Roe vs Wade

Bingo! Thats why I voted the way I did. Late-term abortions MUST STOP! We worry about killing someone else's kids while legally butchering our own with a pair of scizzzsszzzors an a vacuum nozzle.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Pat,

Nice twist! But no,I don't think the next 13 months will be among our bloodiest, and even if I did, I certainly wouldn't be hoping for it. I'd like to add, in general, that the Republicans back in '92 ran a totally lame campaign and got deservedly whooped by the Democrats, for whom I volunteered many nights in assisting them. Two years later, they got their message together (never mind if you agree with it or not, it's besides the point)and took 54 seats and control of the House plus the Senate. They then overplayed their hand, Clinton regrouped while others counted him out, and trounced Dole in '96. I don't think either side had a strong campaign in 2000, but it was Gore's to lose. In the meantime, Bush grew in the job while the Dems fought each other and tried to campaign on a 'we were wronged in 2000' platform. It didn't work. Love them or hate them, the Republicans are unified and the Democrats still don't seem to understand what happened last night. If they refuse to do so, they will lose badly in 2004. But, given recent history, they can come back in win in 2004, but they need to find some fresh faces with a positive platform that, rather than attacking Republicans, says 'we are united, this is our message and what we are for, and why we think our vision is the best'. If they can do that, it will be better for everyone, as we will have a real choice next election.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: NY

Subject: rr guitar playing

I kind of like Robbie's subtle guitar work more. Like the little fills he puts all through "King Harvest." Also =

intro to "The Weight" from "Before The Flood."

the whole guitar sound, and playing on "Don't Ya Tell Henry".

The intro to "W.S. Walcott Medicine Show."

the fills on "Cripple Creek" from TLW (which Rollie went to)

all the guitar work on "All la Glory." - YES, I'm serious.

the way he rose to the moment when Eric's Strat slipped of the guitar strap.

.....just to name some.

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Posted by:

Bill

There's that word again, Appomattox. Before I got into records I was into shortwave radio, and before I was into shortwave radio I was into stamps. And when I was into stamps I was always puzzled by a US one I had that seemed to be about death and destruction but that said just "Appomattox". I used to get it confused with the river that St George Washington had to cross - which again brings up Roe vs Wade. So many rivers in US mythology - the Bruce LP, the Al Green song, CCR and Twain. North American I guess, as our guys had the hymn, the brilliant Mood Dja Dja did "Go Tell It To The River" and Joni wanted one to skate away on.

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Stand Up and Be Counted

Back To The Family.....Stand Up......Jethro Tull

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: Pardon me,

Location: Richmond

Subject: Ben and John W.

Ben, your last post has no correlation to anything John W. said.

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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

The true dementia of the American right; which may well lead the follysome march into Iraq; can pretty much be summed up by John W. If you don't support a Vietnam, if you are not willing to go halfway around the world and kill three million people who pose absolutely no threat to you; it makes you a pacifist. The stupidity of people who got there own friends and family killed by this kind of rubbish is only a response to the guilt induced by said stupidity's consquences.

The flat out Orwellian senerio we have witnessed in the last five or six years has fully come to pass. Darkest before the dawn? We better hope it's about 5 a.m. The ship of state is now being fully run by a man who can't compleate a sentence; placed there by people who are proud to have spoken in tounges.

My ebay CD searches kicked in for me again; it seems with a little patence you can find just about anything. I got Don McLean's third self titled album, something I played a lot when it was out but hasn't been re-issed much. This was a Brit import, where McLean was always much more popular. A lot of it doesn't much hold up, but "Bronco Bill's Lament"; the story of a b- movie cowboy, is another great song I would have loved to hear Richard Manuel sing.

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Pehr / Woodlark

Ahh Pehr, It's the morning after..ease up love.

"We live in a political world
Where mercy walks the plank
Houses are haunted
Children unwanted
The next day could be our last"

Woodlark -

"Baby take off that coat .... real sloooow ....
Baby take off those shoes .. Here I'll take your shoes .... Baby take off the rest.. yes... yes... yes ...
But you can leave your hat on...
You can leave your hat on ....
You just leave that hat on...." ssssssss ...

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Location: Georgia

Subject: music

Pat mentioned "Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat" -- I've been listening to "Blonde On Blonde" quite a bit in the last few weeks, comparing the new Sundazed mono reissue with one of my early "360" stereo pressings. The album notes do credit Dylan with lead guitar on the song and he does play a rather rudimentary lead here & there, much as he often does in live performances nowadays. You can, however, hear Robbie Robertson also playing lead in the song in question. In contrast to Dylan's light-sounding guitar tone, it is easy to distinguish the "cutting", rich-sounding tones & higher volume of Robertson's guitar. Of course, you can also contrast Dylan's harmonica style with that of Charlie McCoy's on "Obviously Five Believers". One thing I've really been noticing on the new Sundazed reissue is just how much Kenneth Buttrey's steady drumming & cymbal accents seem to hold the songs together.

Fred mentioned his trouble with understanding Dr. John. The good doctor speaks in what the linguists might call "N'Awlins patois". When I hear Dr. John talk, I reminded of the late, great humorist & cook, Justin Wilson, who used to greet people by saying "I'm glad for you to see me, I guarontee!"

Calvin: In my opinion, the best sounding version of Levon's 1978 album is the long-out-of-print aluminun CD from Mobile Fidelity. It really captures the deep, rich sounds of the Memphis meets Muscle Shoals material on the album. I've always enjoyed Levon's take on Allen Toussaint's "Play Something Sweet (Brickyard Blues)" and John Cass might be interested in his version of Tony Joe White's "I Came Here To Party".

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: No Mo' Gloating

Alright I'll admit I got caught up in last night's sweeeep.

Rollie, there was NO hatred connected dammit! I hate that!

I agree with everything John W. said this morning about Vietnam.

And the Clinton administration did in 94 exactly what happened last night. In a nutshell, We will all find out what the Bush administration is made of just as we found out what the Clinton administration was made of.

So after the hell of queuing for the tickets in the first place and then major storms throughout England & having to get a taxi from Leicester to Guildford (thanks to Midland Mainline) after all train services were cancelled, I found myself inside Wembley Arena with my two friends shortly before 7.30pm. We were almost at the back of the floor but I didn't really care. I was inside where thousands were not.

The first thing that appealed to me about 'The Rising' on my first few listens was the fact that alot of these songs were like Hymns. Songs to encourage, uplift & generally to help me understand God a little more.

"It is important for me to emphasise that the shared collective consciousness at rock concerts can be either good or evil. We must not think that this force is necessarily evil just because it transcends individualism. Actually the collective effervescence can be very positive & can have a godly impact on those in the crowd. Certain rock musicians (like the band U2 or Bruce Springsteen) can elicit a collective consciousness that is filled with hope & faith. I have seen rock concerts that have generated a collective effervescence which had something of the fruits of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness & self-control) evident in it. Those who come away from these "good" concerts seem to take on a love, joy & peace that comes from beyond themselves. What they share in the concerts seems to be holy & of God." (Tony Campolo)

"...the cares of this world, they seem to bring you down..." (Kevin Prosch)

The main thing I was looking forward to about the concert was the chance to meet with God in a new way. I understand how odd this may sound to you but I'm just writing out my review/experience of my evening at Wembley. The Rising was the first song played & it immediately lifted me. How could it not? I find this song to be one of the most uplifting life affirming anthems ever written.

"...there's spirits above & behind me, faces gone black eyes burning bright, may their precious blood bind me, Lord as I stand before you're fiery light..."

The gig continued & it clearly was no 'Greatest Hits' set. Lonesome Day was second which seems to be a completely uplifting song whilst the lyrics remain quite realistic & negative in places. It always seemed to me like a follow up to U2's Beautiful Day but then I am nuts. Jackson Cage & No Surrender, both old album tracks followed and plenty of new songs also. I really think I "got into" the gig when Badlands was played. Everyone was singing along but the lyrics to me that night seemed more poignant than ever.

"......talk about a dream, try to make it real, you wake up in the night, with a fear so real, spend your life waiting, for a moment that just don't come, well, don't waste your life waiting, badlands, you've got to live it every day, let the broken hearts stand, as the price you've got to pay, we'll keep pushing till it's understood, & these badlands start treating us good......poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, & a king aint satisfied till he rules everything, I wanna go out tonight, I wanna find out what I've got......I believe in the love that you gave me, I believe in the hope that can save me, I believe in the faith, & I pray, that someday it may raise me, above these badlands......"

It just felt like I was singing about me. Broken dreams & waiting for a moment that just doesn't seem to come. Then of course it's very victorious, it's a faith statement & it frickin' rocked. I really connected during this song & I don't mean to Bruce. Soon after Mary's Place was played which to me is a song about Heaven. That is I think it's about the best place you can imagine & for me that's Heaven.

"......familiar faces around me, laughter fills the air, you're loving grace surrounds me, everybody's here, furniture's out on the front porch, music's up loud, I dream of you in my arms, I lose myself in the crowd......let it rain, let it rain, let it rain, let it rain, let it rain, let it rain, let it rain......meet me at Mary's place, we're gonna have a party......tell me how do you live brokenhearted?......seven days seven candles, in my window lighting your way, you're favourite record's on the turntable, I drop the needle & pray, I drop the needle & pray......"

I knew after a particular song (Countin' On A Miracle I think) that Bruce played a couple of acoustic songs. These seemed to change from gig to gig but could have been one of about five or so songs that were rotated. The first song that really got me into his music is called 'Incident On 57th Street' & I knew it had been played a few times throughout the tour. I never thought I'd hear this song played live...ever. Songs from the album it's taken from rarely get played live. Also my friend Hayley's favourite song is The River. A week or so before the gig I really prayed (selfishly) that we'd hear both these songs. We did. For The River it was only the second time he'd played it on the whole tour & for Incident looking at previous set lists the implication was that it wouldn't be played as it seemed to be every other gig. For most of Incident I was in such shock that I was shaking. The next song was a new one called 'Into The Fire' & the lyrics of the chorus are...

"......may your strength give us strength, may your faith give us faith, may your hope give us hope, may your love give us love..."

It also started with some amazing singing & violin playing. I can't even describe it but to me it sounded like spontaneous worship. During this song I really had to get on my knees before God & kind of say sorry for the selfish way I've been living my life recently.

Two encores followed but my highlights were certainly My City Of Ruins & Land Of hope & Dreams. Now I realise that what I've written may sound a little way out there but these two songs were just like church. Not that the whole evening hadn't felt like that anyway.

"......the church door's thrown open, I can hear the organ's song, but the congregation's gone, my city of ruins......now the sweet bells of mercy, drift through the evening trees......while my Brother's down on his knees, my city of ruins......now with these hands, I pray Lord, with these hands, I pray for the strength Lord, with these hands, I pray for the faith Lord, with these hands, I pray for your love Lord, with these hands......come on rise up, come on rise up......"

When Bruce introduced Born In The USA he said "this is a song that I wrote about the Vietnam war, I now play it as a prayer for peace." It's funny that even with songs from The Rising I think Bruce continues to be, in some fashion, mis-interpreted. Born In The USA is a dark anti war song but because of it's militrilistic & upbeat sound many assumed it was a flag waving anthem. Nothing much has been said about thoughts on the possible upcoming war on Iraq etc but a prayer for peace seems to speak for itself. Also I think because The Rising was in part inspired by the events of 9/11 it in part has been mis-interpreted too. There is a line "I want an eye for an eye" though this is from the perspective of somebody that lost a partner in the twin towers. There are also lyrics throughout the album like...

"......blood moon rising in a sky of black dust, tell me baby who do you trust, the fuse is burning, shut out the lights......"

"......a little revenge & this too shall pass......"

"......better ask questions before you shoot, deceit & betrayal's a bitter fruit......"

"......sometimes the truth just aint enough, or it's too much in times like this......"

I just don't personally believe that The Rising album is a pro George W Bush flag waving patriotic anthem that some would assume it is. Or try & make it. It's clearly Bruce's most accomplished work & history I know will show it to be one of his three most important albums. Anyway, back to Land Of Hope & Dreams...

"......I will provide for you, & I'll stand by your side, you'll need a good companion now, for this part of the ride, leave behind your sorrows, & let this day be the last, tomorrow there'll be sunshine, & all this darkness past, big wheels roll through fields where sunlight streams, meet me in a land of hope & dreams......this train carries saints & sinners, this train carries losers & winners, this train carries whores & gamblers, this train misfits lost soul ramblers, this train carries broken hearted, this train, thieves & sweet souls departed, this train carries fools & kings, this train......all aboard, this train, dreams will not be thwarted, this train, faith will be rewarded, this train, hear the steel wheels singing, this train, bells of freedom ring......"

The gig ended with Thunder Road from the Born To Run album. The whole gig lasted around two hours and forty five minutes and was simply one of the best evenings of my life. No exaggeration. Pretty life changing too. Apparently there is a book coming out soon written by Steve Stockman called "Secular Prophets". I don't know much about it other than I believe it's in part based on the verse in the Bible that talks about......"even the rocks will cry out". My interpretation being that when the Church seems to be irrelevant & unappealing (& that can be to many Christians let alone non Christians) and when so called "Christian music" doesn't seem to be reaching many people other than Christians then God will use whoever he wants, whenever he wants and however he wants. Like I said though, just my interpretation & my personal thoughts.

I don't know if Bruce Springsteen is a Christian or not, but that's not really the point. He clearly is in a place where God is using him in mighty mighty ways. Whether he knows it or not.

Robin.x

"Religion to me is almost like when God leaves & people devise a set of rules to fill the space" (Bono)

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: election fun

Yes, we can finally get to the business of government, like (as I heard from the horse's mouth last night) creating faith-based initiatives, establishing that Homeland Security thing (biggest government program ever, largest concentration of government employees ever, monolithic design, huge budget to ensure corporate malfeasance, man, it sounds like Liberals at work, don't it?), bottling up stem cell research, eliminating Roe v. Wade, making the tax cut permanent (along with massive deficits), digging for oil everywhere but the Florida coast (gee, I wonder why), and getting on with the Iraq War. Alllllright. No wonder everybody's celebrating.

JTull, very generous, especially from someone who didn't vote. But alas, after listening to Stand Up, I forgive you.

Fave RR solo? The intro to The Weight.

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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

I never saw The Band with Robbie, only with Jim Weider, but I thought Weider did a great job playing the Robbie parts. Sometimes you could close your eyes and think it was Robertson playing the solos. Both are great players, I wonder if Jimmy is enjoying being on his own now and kind of not having to copy another man's solos and style any more. Looking forward to Saturday night, by the way!

John D. - I don't think we forgot Vietnam but it depends on what you think was the lesson learned. Some people are pacifists, they won't accept violence and war regardless of the circumstances. To them there can be no provocation or international conflict that would ever justify loss of a single life. Other people said "I'm not a pacifist, if the country has a valid reason for going to war, fine, but this Vietnam crap is not a valid reason and it's wrong." Whatever's right or wrong regarding Iraq today, you have to admit the current situation is not Vietnam. Those Viet Cong were not really threatening anyone but South Vietnam. On the other hand, today we have nebulous forces around the world actively trying to destroy the Western way of living or kill us. So yes, we have to be careful and deliberate about how the power is used, but you can't blame us for the anger and the "John Wayne mentality" when almost every day another attack is committed upon the U.S., Australia, Israel, or other Western nation. Maybe you'll feel it if they blow up the CNN Tower.

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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Bob Dylan Store

Wow!! The Bob Dylan Official Store is really neat! I'm gonna get a sporty adjustable mesh visor (click above link) so all my friends and neighbors will know I'm a free-thinking non-conformist just like Bob!!

Sharpton in 2004!!!

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Good morning from my sick bed.

Damn, the flu again. Anyways, thanks for all the kind words. I hate writing anything too personal (and in this case it's not an immediate family member, so I feel awkward receiving sympathy)because I am a private person in those matters. On last nights elections, I am going to refrain from rubbing anybody's nose in it. I am very pleased with the results, and prefer to be a gracious winner. Hopefully this will finally put to bed the 2000 election for some people. For my Republican friends out here, please don't gloat. The Dems won some important governerships, and it is from there that most presidential candidates come. This loss will also finally allow fresh leadership to emerge within the Democratic party, strengthening them for 2004, when we will have to run on our record.

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Posted by:

Chris D.

Location: South Jersey

Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Christmas Vibes

Kalervo: Just for you.....who is Christmas Crazy.....:-D

Bing Crosby and David Bowie..."Little Drummer Boy"
Rick Danko and Robbie's upbeat version of "Christmas Must Be Tonight"
Stevie Wonder..."Someday At Christmas Time"..."Men won't be boyzz...playing with bombs...like children play with toyzz"...

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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: Cocker/Tony Joe White

I got great seats for Joe Cocker at a sold out Casino Ballroom show in Hampton Beach NH this Saturday and I see Tony Joe White is the opening act... anybody in the GB ever listen to Tony Joe and if so what is he like???

I read a little bit on him in his web site and they make him sound like he is a legend in Europe or somewhere... looks like he does the blues thing with the Harmonica and guitar... nothing about him and a band in the site...

it will remind me of about 7 years ago seeing Cocker at the Palace theatre in Albany NY and his opening act was a unknown blues guy playing acoustic guitar and harmonica who me and my buddy was in awe of...the blues guy turned out to be Keb Moe...

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Robbie's Solo's

Pat Brennan mentiond he didn't think any overdubbing was done on Robbie's solos from TLW. You know Pat, when I was at TLW I don't think I heard a bad note. Then again I was taken up with the spectacle of the whole thing at the same time. What makes me wonder is when I got the "Complete Last Waltz" and I'm going......"oh my God were there that many guitar notes played badly?" I was really shocked. I'm now not sure. It sure sounded great that night and I was listening as closely as one could given the incredible action going on. Interestinly enought I didn't hear any "off" notes coming from anyone else that night and this is not Robbie bashing.......just a fact from memory.

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Posted by:

Rick S.

Location: Suffern, NY

Calling Band fans. See the Jim Weider Band Saturday night at The Bottom Line, Greenwich Village, New York City. Schedule eye and ear exams now because you won't believe what you're seeing and hearing. It's a unique sound and Jim's 52 Telecaster playing will blow you away.

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Posted by:

lifeboy

Subject: Here we go again..............

It seems we are edging back on to the merry-go-round of sickos and anal retentives.......Oh please, discussing Robbie's solos was so much more fun and the opinions were so much more positive.

That reminds me....must remember to dig out my "Protect and Survive" pamphlet.

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Posted by:

jerry

Location: St. Paul

Well I must say these elections are shocking, licking my wounds, were in the red in this state and we get a GOP Gov. who promises not to raise taxes, in the senate debate Mondale made the same mistake as he did in "84" he told the truth and nobody wants to hear the facts, when you tell it like it is you lose.. Im gonna go puke...

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Posted by:

John D

Rosalind. Sounds like you would have had a blast with a baseball bat at the Democratic convention in '68. How soon people forget Vietnam. I still don't get this John Wayne attitude of let's blast the crap out of everyone. Don't we ever learn from history? No one ever replied to my comments a few week ago but one; when I said I didn't think Saddam has nuclear weapsons. Again why? You don't attack someone who you think has the same weapons to unleash upon you. Why do you think the U.S. and Russia never attacked each other during the cold war. North Korea admits to having the weapons and you don;t see an attack there. I'm sorry.....Saddam is one eveil M.F. and should be dealt with in some manner; but I still believe that body bags will be preveleant so that "daddy's" revenge will take place. Very sad commentary indeed. If your going to war then have a damn good reason; not to seek revenge for "daddy" which many Americans believe is true.

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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: TRANSLATORS SOUGHT...

I've been watching TLW on DVD and while listening to the commentary track I've realized that I can't understand a single thing Dr. John says. Anyone out there with an English-Dr. JohnESE dictionary? or perhaps someone who can simultaneuosly translate what he says into English? I swear that man is making words up! Which come to think of it isn't so bad..we should all make up words to spice up our daily conversations. Still I wish I could understand what the good Doctor is going on about!!

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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Yeah, "Little Boxes" is such a standard most people have been getting it's title wrong in this thread... I think "Gentle On My Mind" was a little more popular.. but damn, when I think of ANY left wing person getting a dollar, I know my presence in the Anti-gay, pro-Jesus party is fully justified.

Hey Roz, time wounds all heels, baby. You creeps always do yourselves in come crunch time. And watching you self destruct is the show that never ends. But be sure, if Bush does blunder into the middle east, the corperate media will find some way to explain to us that it was the liberals fault.

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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Hornsby & Dylan & "Little Boxes" & Big Royalties

I'm back after two consecutive nights of brilliant solo piano shows by Bruce Hornsby at the DC-area's premiere live music venue, the Birchmere, in Alexandria, Virginia. Nearly three-hour shows both nights with only two or three songs repeated from night one to night two. Bruce was very proud that Dylan is playing Hornsby's collabortive composition with Don Henley, "End of the Innocence," on his current U.S. tour (click the link if you want to hear the Dylan version). The line about "beating plowshares into swords" may be really relevent really soon...

Regarding Malvina Reynolds' royalties on "Little Boxes," I'm not sure if she got rich, but it was certainly pretty profitable for a socialist. I know that the late John Hartford survived for many years on the royalties of "Gentle on My Mind" ($50,000 a year at one point) and that John Sebastian says that he built his house with royalty payment money from the TV show theme song he wrote.

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Posted by:

Rollie

Subject: Rosalind

Tsk, tsk, Rosalind .......so much hatred!!! My,my! Certainly not fit for these pages. Nor is the fact that when the body bags come rolling home, due in no small part to the wonderful display of voting we're witnessing,we'll likely have seen the last of your piss and vinegar!

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Posted by:

rosalind

Okay Okay I'm sorry. It's just so damned much fun !

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Erection Day 2002

Thanks to the election day coverage, I have been watching CNN all evening just to see the creme-puff casper milk-toast liberal commie pinko red democratic liberal left-wings squirm. I just seen the crew of "Crossfire". James Carvel was sitting there with a waste-basket on his head. A great Sign for America and quite an improvement on his real head.

Ben - You enjoy that Brand Spankin' New Republican Governer you go now. Okay Buddy?

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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: Levon's 1978 Album

My apologies if someone has already mentioned, but the almost impossible to find Levon Helm from 1978 is being released on CD. Amazon.com is taking orders to ship November 26th for $16.98. I know it got the worse reviews of Levon's 4 albums, 6 I suppose if you count the one with the Crowmatix CD and Ties That Bind. But a bad Levon CD beats a good Creed CD hands down.

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Posted by:

Location: ny

YOU WERE AT THE LAST WALTA ROLLIE?

How come you never mentioned that, you sneaky bastard.

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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Religious News!!

NOTE: IF NOT INTERESTED PLEASE SCROLL ON BY!! (Apologies for interrupting the exciting "Dylan as Guitar Player" thread.)

AN INTERNATIONAL MONEY LAUNDERING RING run by New York Hasidim washed millions of dollars in cocaine proceeds for the Colombian drug cartels, prosecutors disclosed yesterday. The group laundered at least 1.7 million for the druglords, holding secret meetings with the Colombians in Miami and mid-town Manhattan., according to papers filed by Manhattan U.S. Attorney James Comey. The suspects were brazen - up to $500,000 would be laundered at a time. One of the suspects, Avraham Zaltzman, allegedly bragged that he "could pick up money anywhere and wire it anywhere," according to FBI affidavits accompanying the arrests. Zaltzman was so brazen that he allegedly picked up drug money himself in Madrid in April and flew to London, where he was detained by British Customs. They found $460,000 concealed in his vest. Yesterday, FBI and Customs agents arrested Zaltzman and Aaron Bornstein, both of Borough Park, Brooklyn.

Yesterday, Bornstein appeared before U.S. Magistrate Douglas Eaton and was released on $500,000 bond. Zaltzman was jailed pending a bail hearing next week. He requested a prayer book and prayer shawl while behind bars.

[Excerpt from New York Daily News - 11-02-02]

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Posted by:

ROLLIE

Subject: TLW

I don't think I have to remind anyone that I was at the Last Waltz, do I?

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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: Al Edge homage to the Boss

Al, I second that emotion. I experienced Springsteen for the first time in concert in Kansas City in September of this year. Devastating. Exhilarating. Everything you say is true and more. Not too many live up to the hype, but Springsteen and company show that it's not hype--as Muhammad Ali said, "It ain't bragging if you can really do it." When I witnessed the Boss I thought of Otis Redding, Elvis, John Lennon, Hendrix, so many great showmen, and how the tradition is reinvoked each time the E-Streeters do their magic...yes, we truly are lucky to be around as part of his audience.

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Posted by:

rosalind

JTull - As I read your post I got a picture in my head of two women going shopping, trying on each others clothes and laughing over a cup of coffee and a sandwich in a diner. I know this is only cyber-space but there seems to be a genuine concern and sharing of burdons in this little book. Your wife and her friend are in my thoughts right now.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans"

Lennon

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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Subject: Edie / Tour of '74

"LSPBH" charted number eighty-one in May 1967....Here comes Dylan with the slurs and sarcasm when he's lost real interest in someone.....According to Nico.....This song was about Edie Sedgwick and her affectations....

"Well you look so pretty in it
Honey, can I jump on it sometime?
Yes I wanna see
If it's really that expensive kind
You know it balances on your head
Just like a mattress balances
On a bottle of wine
Your brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat".....

Apparently "Blonde On Blonde" prompted Pete Seeger to record with the Blues Project......

During the Tour of '74 with The Band....The other songs that were played from this recording....."Rainy Day Women", "Most Likely You Go Your Way (and I'll Go Mine)"......At the end of this Tour Robbie said that he was absolutely exhausted.....not his voice.....;-D......but his fingers.....The playing and singing was very aggressive.....even Richard and Rick had lost their voices by the end of Tour....

Fave Robbie solo: "Crazy Love"...

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Posted by:

Al Edge

Location: Spacedoutsville

Subject: Trances

A thousand 'umble apologies for my absence this past month or so only I have been in state of continuing transcendent euphoria induced by an eastern seaboard American who goes by the name of Bruce Springsteen.

The man is charged with culpability for intoxicating myself and thousands of otherwise sane Europeans with a brew of the most potent rock'n'roll infusion we are ever likely to witness. All mere mortals have been rendered powerless to resist and are now being treated for incurable Brucaholicism in readiness for his return to the old world in the Spring.

Of course, whether it is possible to withstand a further surge of this being's unique life-force is debatable but I for one am prepared to give it one or two or possibly three or four or even more goes if at all humanly possible.

A truly incredible man. You Americans should be very proud that this man is flying the flag for your nation in the very way it should be flown - with integrity and dignity and a passion and spirit that connects with simple folk the world over. He is a credit to you.

Having followed him from The River I can vouchsafe that his current performances encompassing The Rising material fused with some of the best of his back catalogue as far back as Asbury Park and Wild and Innocent eclipse anything I've ever seen. I would urge any American GB'ers to catch him and his accomplices while they can as the man is simply in the form of his life.

Here is his pre-Christmas itinery. Tickets are available on the day if you get there in good time - I assure you.

Band link - Atlantic City - sure be nice if he contacted Levon and Garth for his NY show. We can but dream.

THE RISING TOUR 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date City Venue On-sale November 3 Dallas, TX American Airlines Center August 10, 10 a.m. November 4 Houston, TX Compaq Center August 10, 10 a.m. Postponed Austin, TX Frank Erwin Center November 9 Columbus, OH Schottenstein Center August 17, noon November 10 Indianapolis, IN Conseco Fieldhouse August 10, 10 a.m. November 12 Cincinnati, OH U.S. Bank Arena August 10, 10 a.m. Tickets onsale at the venue box office in addition to Ticketmaster. November 14 Lexington, KY Rupp Arena August 17, 10 a.m. November 16 Greensboro, NC Greensboro Coliseum August 10, 10 a.m. November 19 Birmingham, AL BJCC August 17, 10 a.m. Tickets onsale at the venue box office in addition to Ticketmaster. November 21 Orlando, FL TD Waterhouse August 10, 10 a.m. Tickets onsale at the venue box office in addition to Ticketmaster. November 23 Miami, FL American Airlines September 14, 10 a.m. November 24 Tampa, FL Ice Palace August 10, 10 a.m. Tickets onsale at the venue box office in addition to Ticketmaster. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- December 2 Atlanta, GA Philips Arena September 28, 10 a.m. December 4 Pittsburgh, PA Mellon Arena August 17, 10 a.m. December 5 Toronto, ON Air-Canada Center August 24, 10 a.m. December 8 Charlotte, NC Charlotte Coliseum August 17, 10 a.m. December 9 Columbia, SC USC Arena September 7, 10 a.m. December 13 Albany, NY

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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Hey Tull, print up your own post, keep it in your wallet, take it out and read it next time justify your own parties ruthlessness as "just politics".

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: personal tragedies

For all the mean-spiritdness and hate-filled posts we see out here sometimes, the recent posts detailing some personal tragedies should remind us all to respect one another a little bit more out here. We really DON'T know the trials and tribulations each of us may be tending to on any given day, and it is good to remember that most of us come out here to forget about them for a few minutes. I found out moments ago that my wife's best friend has been diagnosed with terminal cancer, and may ony have days to live. She is only in her fifties and there was no warning signs that we knew of. So, let's try a little kindness for the time we have in this sandbox of ours.

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Posted by:

DZ

I was thinking the same thing today John... but didn't post it... Sometimes, I stop in if it's really late...

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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Lady Socailists who make a mint are all part of the fantasy world of the Limbaugh listener, as in "WHY I done seen that little colard Woman buyin a Porterhouse Steak with that there wad of food Stamps..." Such fools are given intellectual validity by the likes PV.

And no Pat, the same people didn't defend the booing of Hillary Clinton, they CELEBRATED it. Take a dash of ignorance, add a dolup of petty meanness, garnish with a sprig of hypocrasy(carefull of that Stevie Nicks stuff, we'll put you in the pro-gay, anti-christ party!) and you have the utter waste of space that is the American right winger.

The recent "Just say Noel" has some nice modern pop on it, with Beck and Amiee Mann, as well as the often used XTC Christmas song.

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Posted by:

Harry & Mim

Location: Bensalem, Bucks County, PA, USA

Subject: X-Mas Songs, RR Favorite Solos

Friends: More than a few favorite Holiday songs to count. Keith Richards did a version of Chuck Berrys' "Run, Run Rudolph" that (would have) been a gas to hear Mr. Levon Helm cover.

KR note - Gram Parsons to have turned 56 (?) today. Hard to visualize the Okefenokee Kid in his mid-50's. Our images of GP seem stuck in the '69 to '73 era (although in his last few years, he had gained weight and was beginning to resemble a Southern sheriff, pot belly and all).

To Bob Wigo - does your son play hockey at the Skatium on Rt.3 (?) in Havertown? Remeber when the ponds actually USED TO FREEZE here in SE PA? Made for many happy weekend afternoons for pick-up hockey...

To John Cass - thanks for your "support" on the redirect back to THE MUSIC.

And to Amanda - your pics from LHs' guest appearance at the Little Feat concert recently were classics. The smile on that mans' face seems to be painted on - hard to find a photo of "the boss" without a huge grin lighting up that wonderful face.

RR's guitar solos - they run the gamut from the uncontrolled, wild, raucous mid-60's Hawks and BD & the Band concerts (yes, it was interesting to see Dylan mugging for the crowd while RR ripped killer solos on those mid-60's gems. Love Dylans' compositions, lyrics, HARP and PIANO playing; however, we do find it more than a little "misleading" that BD seemed to want the audience to believe that it was "his" majestic lead guitar). RR's solos bacame much more concise, controlled, and tasty as The Band moved into the Basement Tapes period (contrary to the thinking of other "flash" guitarists of the 1960's, the adage "less is more" applies quite well to Mr. Robertsons' playing as he and The Band moved into "their own territory.") His use of banjo picks, harmonics and other combined lead/rhythm playing opened up The Bands' music significantly, leaving room for the ensemble playing that became almost a Band "trademark." Of course, Richard Manuels' style of "rhythm" piano helped to hold down the "center" of the music, allowing GH and RR to move into other areas...

Yer pals - Mim & Harry

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

RR recently claimed that he did the solo in Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat. It sounds like him from that period. I'm also fairly certain that he didn't redo the solo from TLW. Often the action of the movie didn't quite fit the visuals for a number of reasons. In many cases, overdubs were done on the multitrack without regard for the visual. In other cases, an audio edit would occur before or after a visual cut; thus the audio from the upcoming scene would overlay the previous scene and vice versa. This usually occured to take advantage of audio edit points, places where an audio edit wouldn't be so pronounced.

I couldn't help but notice that the same media whores who got all bunched up over the tenor of the Wellstone service defended the firemen booing Hilary Clinton at the Concert For New York.

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Posted by:

Bill

Writing royalties being what they were/are, it's hard to see how Malvina Reynolds could've made a mint from that one song. It may have been popular during the folk boom of the early '60s, but couldn't have brought in all that much since. Jeez, just think of how rich most of our guys aren't - even though their music has, happily, never gone right out of fashion.

Besides, socialists sometimes turned their royalties over to deserving causes. For example, the Travellers turned their fairly considerable royalties for the Canadianised version of Woody Guthrie's "Something To Sing About" to the young children of the then-sick Woody. I don't believe that Arlo ever gave it back, even when he started pulling in really good money on his own.

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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn

Subject: Dylan on Guitar / Band Chat

Dylan has always been a frustrated wannabe guitar soloist. He's a great flatpicker, good at basic fingerpicking, and the blues slide attempts on his very first album exhibit quite a bit of emotional intensity although they're basically pretty sloppy. Dylan's best guitar work is on "It's Alright Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)" though it's not lead, of course. He's credited for doing the solo on "Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat," I believe, but that's nothing too stupendous in my opinion.

Regarding the Band Chat: it's located in a parallel universe which explains the oddities which someone recently pointed out.

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Posted by:

Paul Schoninger

Location: Lexington,KY

Subject: RR's guitar solos

Regarding Robertson's solos I'm partial to "Unfaithful Servant", but some of his stuff after The Band is great too. Would include "Crazy Love" with Aaron Neville on the Phenomenon soundtrack; "Love in Time" on the Roy Orbision King of Hearts CD; and "Be happy on Mother Earth" with Little Wolf. Take Care

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Posted by:

Bones

Rosalind brought up something that reminded me of Robbie's solos while he was playing with Dylan. Robbie back in 1966 didn't prance around like a lot of guitar players. While Robbie would stay relatively still, Dylan would make body motions that would reflect Robbie's playing. It would look like Dylan was doing the playing. You see a little of that in the Last Waltz, but it would happen a lot in 1966.

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Dumb Question

I don't use the chat room; but I do look in from time to time. Question. Do any regulars go in there? EVERYTIME I look in there.....there is not one name that I recognize. I mean these are names that never ever are found here. Do some of you change your names in there? It's like it's another site. Who are these folks that chat but never come to the guestbook. Just wondering. Yeh I know some of you go in there sometimes; but I have never seen a name I recognize ever.

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Posted by:

rosalind

Lots of sadness this morning...

I agree with Diamond Lil when she says this place is an extended family. So sorry to read thru this mornings posts and find so much loss. I can't ever find words to discribe my feelings about loss, of my own or of someone elses. My thoughts and best wishes and prayers for a better day are with everyone here.....

My favorite Robbie solo must be "Forever Young" from The Last Waltz. I know it was redone in the studio but the look of sheer emotion on his face and the feel of that thing never left me. I was getting ready for work one morning and I turned to see my mother standing at the bedroom door with a look like she had just been touched by an angel or something. She said to me "Who's playing that guitar?" I said "Mama that's Robbie" She just shook her head. When I first started playing The Band non-stop around the house I woke up one morning about 2 weeks after seeng TLW in 78, I laid in bed listening to my mother at the kitchen table searching out the basic chords to " Rockin' Chair" on her autoharp. I realized that my soul and my love of music must have all came from her. I also loved the work he done on "Sign Language". All this talk about loss has made me think of my mama. I must call her altho I saw her on Sunday. She's 73. The hippest 73 in the world. "Music keeps ya young" she's always said that.

I've been listening to Richard sing "I'll Be Home for Christmas" since Lil mentioned it.

Empty Now - Welcome back. The Alan Parsons Project got played around our house a lot. My little brother was into ELO, Barry White and his Love Unlimited Orchestra, The Moody Blues an Chuck Mangione (?) for spelling.

Mr. Viney - Loved your Pete Seeger / Desert Island scenerio ! "Tiny Boxes" has always been one of my favorites too. Ho Ho Ho... I always thought he wrote it but Charlie Young corrected me a while back, Some lady socialist wrote it and made a mint. Tell us tho Peter, why you'd really rather spend time on that island with Stevie Nicks? I think I'd choose her over Pete Seeger too. I think he has to be the most sexless lookin' guy I have ever seen.

Thanks Crabgrass for that "Dead or Alive" link. I have been going in there about everyday playing a quiz or two while keeping up with birthdays and recent deaths of the rich and famous.

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Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: Bruce Springsteen/Diversity/Who is Mr. Woodlark?

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN will be back in Sweden in the Spring! The tickets (50.000) were sold out in 40 minutes.
Good to see Empty Now and Kalervo back in gb. Without diversity we would still be sitting in a tree.
(Please notice that ILKKA is now WOODLARK even in this discussion forum.) My link is "only" my vCard.

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Posted by:

Crabgrass

Location: The Front Lawn
Web: My link

Subject: Unhappy Birthday!!

Gram Parsons would have been 56 today.

(Click link for info.)

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Posted by:

Ann

Subject: John D and Bob Wigo

Life sometimes can knock you on your rear. The important thing is to let those you love know it and enjoy the things that really matter. My 18 year old niece Katee was murdered Aug. 30, 2001 in a robbery attempt. She was with another girl that, thanks to God, was not injured but all the guy got was $7.00. Can you imagine...taking a life for 7 bucks?!!! His trial starts next week and I pray for justice. I'm not a believer in the death penalty...I think he should rot in jail. A few months after Katee's death my best friend...my mom passed away. Noboby told me life would be this hard. Thank God for music. When I'm in one of those moods where I just can't handle it anymore...when the tears just won't stop...Thank God for music. Take care all and God Bless...

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Location: Richmond

Subject: Repeat of post from last year, but oh well...

Since we have the CHristmas thread going, one of my greatest regrets is there was no Band Christmas album. I read a Levon quote when Rick passed that they were talking of recording some Christmas songs in late '99, so they would be in the seasonal mood when they did it. For fantasy sake, let's turn back the clock, to say 12/85, and place ourselves in a cozy bar in Woodstock with The Band and maybe 100 in the audience, and a roaring fire. What would you like them to play? Besides gGarth on Greensleeves and Christmas Must Be Tonight, I'm thinking Richard on Chestnuts Roasting..., Levon on I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Clause, Rick on Merry Christmas Baby.. Any other ideas? Oh, and don't be tooooo happy the election is almost over, as tomorrow marks the start of 2004 Presidential politics. Ugh!

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

John D: Condolences on the loss of your beloved cousin. It seems with every death I encounter, I realize just how very short and very precious life truly is. There's an old song with lyrics that go something like "We never know where life will take us, We never know when death will shake us".. and it's true. Be good to the people you love for as long as you have them.

I want to comment on John's "apology" for his post not being "Band related". I've always thought one of the nicest things about this place is being able to share things with the 'extended family' of this site. Our love of The Band is what brought us all here, but I think it's also the feeling of friendship that keeps alot of us coming back. And so.. Band related or not, if it's important enough to someone here for them to post it, it's important to those of us reading it.

Thanks. Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan... and John.

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Location: Snowland

Subject: Suddenly It' s Magic

Haa...suddenly these posts are interesting, because of two of my favorite topics: Christmas and Native music...

Oh yes, my wife and I we have listened lots of Christmas music already!... I agree with Ann that Bruce Cockburn' s Cry of a Tiny Babe is one of the best Christmas songs ever. And his Christmas album is really must for every spiritual human being....And hats off to JTull Fan for Leon Redbone' s hilarious Christmas album and I can really relate to Rosalind' s, Bob W' s and Roger' s favorites, as well

Being Christmas freak I could name so many songs, albums and artists, but I want to bring some of them: Na Leo' s Christmas Gift I (Na Leo is a Hawaiian female trio), which contains disarming orginals like Unto Us Tonight and What Would Christmas Be. - Aloha and Christmas spirit are so close, that is why Hawaiian Christmas records are so dear to me.- Ben Keith' s Seven Gates is a Christmas classic. George Winston' s December, too. Ella singing The Secret oF Christmas, Sibelius' Christmas songs, some Very Special Christmas performances, Leena Jutila singing Urho Sipponen' s Christmas songs, the song called Sydämeeni joulun teen (I am making Christmas into My Heart) etc...And some people are saying that they get tired of listening to Christmas music! When you are open and wisely uncritical the joyful road is endless...

Native music: oh yes John Trudell needs recognition being one the best singer-songwriters in North America. I love Bill Miller, Walela and Ulali, too. Like Christmas music the treasury of Native music is so vast. Like those masters of wind instruments: Keith Bear, R. Carlos Nakai, and especially Spotted Eagle who is probably the one musician if I have to pick only one living musician in this world. Of course the mighty Buffy Sainte-Marie, Joanne Shennandoh, WOR, Burning Sky....I am so glad that because of Robbie these people are appreciated here....

Like The Native Museum near Battery Park is a solemn and spiritual oasis in heated and neurotic New York, Native music is the hearful, human and natural voice of America. Many thanks Richard for Inuit message and article!

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Posted by:

lifeboy

Subject: More on Richard's piano / Mount Rushmore

Ian Mclagan says he still has Richard's old Piano and it's still going strong, in fact it can be heard on his last album "Best of British"(feat:Ron Wood,Billy Brag and Bump Band) and the soon to be released "Rise and Shine"(Thought I'd give him a plug on here seeing as he was so courteous in answering my questions)so there ya go.

MOUNT RUSHMORE

Ray, Deep Purple stole the honour with the sleeve of their "In Rock" album, the bastards! I agree with you though, having their faces carveed in granite on Mt Rushmore would be very appropriate for The Band who are far more deserving. Shall we get up a petition?!

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Native Americans; Seeger, Nicks & Morrison (SNM)

Dave Z – thanks for the information. Next time I’m in London, I’ll seek out some specialist stores and start looking for more Native American music. There has to be somewhere with a good stock. Last time I had a good look was over a year ago in Chicago, and couldn’t find any names I recognized. Funny, around the time I was first getting into The Band I was also very interested in Native American culture and history – though in those days American Indian was the word. They always seemed harmonious interests to me, without ever knowing of Robbie’s background!

Ben Pike- apply the desert island rule to your question. Would you rather be on a desert island with Jim Morrison, Stevie Nicks or Pete Seeger? Well, let’s discount the overwhelmingly obvious reason of physical charms for choosing Stevie Nicks first. I’m convinced that Pete Seeger would be by far the best at preparing and lighting a campfire and cooking a meal on it. With just the two of us, I think we could make socialism work too. I’d be willing to try. I can see a few stories about Woody and Ramblin’ Jack passing the time pleasantly as we consumed the grilled fish. As for singing, he would be one of the few people who couldn’t raise a serious objection to my own grating and tuneless voice. We could duet. Write an album even. Or rather I could write it and he could take half the credit (as usual). But if he sang Little Boxes just once, I’d have to kill him, which would make the island lonely. Jim Morrison would be out for several reasons, being dead is the primary one. But if alive he would be prancing around revealing himself to the palm trees and reciting “poetry”. I don’t think I could take listening to garbled nonsense all the time. I get enough of that when I’m talking to myself. Also without a full-length mirror to look at himself in, I fear he would soon sink into dire depression and commit suicide, leaving me alone. I can see Stevie Nicks telling a very good tale round the campfire, and I could lay in my hammock, listening to her singing away. But in the end, with the first new new Fleetwood Mac studio album in 15 years due in 2003, it would be worth the record company and media investing in a global search for her from which I would benefit. I don’t think they’d bother with either Pete Seeger or the surviving Doors. I could also sell my story to the National Enquirer (How I improvised a straw from a palm leaf to do the roadies’ alleged job…) and retire on the proceeds. BTW, on Classic Albums she does roundly deny that urban myth, in which I believe her. But I don’t think the National Enquirer would be over-concerned with truth in the situation, and nor would I.

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Posted by:

DZ Again

Subject: P.S.

Peter V: I like Dirty Velvet Lie... she does a nice cover of her Mom's Gypsy King... and her cover of Many Rivers To Cross would probably make the JWB's newlywed Albert's knees go so limp he'd fall off stage onto the G-Man... Hotter than August in Wilmington, NC... and she wrote most of the songs... It's a pop CD though, not an Indian music CD (that's not bad)... got an LA sound to my ears... anyway, I think they hit paydirt with the Walela stuff... three beautiful voices working together... It's also interesting how there is a lot of collaboration between artists during this period... cool stuff... all around...

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Posted by:

Richard

Location: Benxi, China
Web: My link

Subject: Atanarjuat... The Dirty Yellow Snow Where the Inuits Go

The first ever full-length movie produced, written, and directed by Inuits is currently in circulation. It's called 'Atanarjuat (The Fast Runner)'. It's based on a thousand-year-old Inuit folktale concerning a hunter who escapes three assassins by fleeing naked across the Arctic ice.

As it's unlikely to appear at a Cineplex near you... expect a November 15 DVD release.

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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Subject: And the rivers ran through crazy into wild

aka Grafitti Man, there's two versions... the original put out on cassette, showing mug-like shots of JT and JED on the cover (I got it with the 6 pack)... and then there's the CD which is a collection of songs from the 6 pack... which I think were re-done in some way with Jackson Brown's help?... anyway, the title track off the original is more primal to me... with an awesome Jesse Ed Davis guitar solo at the end... that better works with the rhythm...

My favorite from the 6 pack is Tribal Voice... more traditional sounds... with Quiltman... "Look at Us" is powerful stuff, up there with the best ranting Van can do... "All There Is To It" off of the Johnny Damas and Me CD is in the same vein... I really like this CD and think it's his most accessible because it really rocks and pushes the positive take... like on "Rant and Roll"... and "Across My Heart"... The thing that is so cool about his music is you have John talking or chanting, Quiltman doing the vocables, and then some backup singers doing their thing... sometimes all at once... sometimes fading in and out... and the music is the blues... great guitar... and some good accordian and organ work at times... His most recent two CDs have softer touches which I like... Bone Days has a cool song called "Undercurrent" where the background singer sounds like Danko at times... and the rivers ran through crazy into wild... the Blue Indians CD is awesome but with dark stories... the track Grassfire is about THC... and two of my favorite slow tracks are on this CD... Blue Indians with Dylan like lyrics and cool drum sounds... and All Nite Cafe which is my rain song... Terminal Neon has some nice guitar work too... one of my favorite of the cassettes is Children Of the Earth... where kids sing his lyrics... it may even be his kids, I don't know?... But the tension of the beautiful voices and the honest lyrics is so cool... I used to play it early in the morning and my kids would dance... and started to ask my wife questions about the lyrics which she didn't want to deal with at 7 am in the morning (David, turn that political shit off!!!)... He also has a spoken word CD out called DNA - Descendant Now Ancestor... cool stuff... very charismatic... and right on the mark I feel... I played it once for my canoe buddies on a drive up north... kinda to balance out "Joseph and the Technicolor Coat" in my book... He has also done a great Peltier song called Out Of The Blues off of the Honor CD (An Indigo Girls project)... If I was gonna recommend something for the first time buyer... I'd say start from his most recent and work backwards because he keeps getting better... then again, the JED stuff is guud...

I picked up Quiltman's Three Sisters too... and if you like Little Wolf... then you will love Native Suite by Bill Miller & Robert Mirabal... A while back Tracy AHROO sent me a RR interview where he talks about all the cool Indian Music that will be coming down the pipe... and there's a lot if you are into it... My wife's favorite is Walela (my Mom listens to a lot of Rita Coolidge)... and we have always sung our kids to sleep with Cherokee Morning Song... I like the Primeaux & Mike stuff too (Peyote Songs CD) on long drives in the MN countryside... Oh well, that's all for now...

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Posted by:

rollie

Web: My link

Subject: Info on Bonnie Raitts Green powered tour

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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: Bleeding hearts

Pat,

Forgive the GOP posturing. After all, the last time something like this happened, their candidate lost to a the dead guy. If Coleman loses, maybe he'll get a cabinet post as a consolation prize - just like Attorney General, John Ashcroft.

And now you know...the REST of the story!

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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

Q. What's the difference between the California Angels and the Democrats?

A. The Angels have the Rally Monkey. The Democrats send Monkeys to Rallies.

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Posted by:

James

Subject: The Band - SNL -Burly Bear

It seems the Burly Bear website has been taken over by National Lampoon....no SNL Band performances in sight....thanks anyways.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Subject: SNL

The Burly Bear Network Website carried the SNL version of Georgia. Might still be there.

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

Fit to be tied buy what? A pink boa?

Ohh, my heart bleeds for Jesse Ventura and Trent Lott. How dare politics enter a memorial service for a politician! Keep those un-American emotions in check, all you horrible Liberals from Minnesota.

Bill, as I said, Mickey Jones is not the greatest source for info. He strongly contradicts Richard Manuel's story of how Otis came to turn down Just Like A Woman. Of course, it's quite common for history to entertain two conflicting memories.

Thanks for the Pat Buchannan reference. It s important to be reminded that mindless, gutless idiots often rise to the upper echelons of American politics.

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Posted by:

James

Location: Toronto

Subject: The Band on SNL

I don't suppose anybody has video files on their computer of the 4 songs (or even one or two) that The Band played on SNL. If you have those to share, let me know, or if you can guide me to a web location that holds them I'd greatly appreciate it, thanks.

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Posted by:

Ray Pence

Subject: RR Solos

Damn good ones that don't get enough attention:

Get up Jake on Rock of Ages

To Kingdom Come on Big Pink

Aint that a lot of Love on Islands

Rattlebone on Redboy

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Bones / Minnesota

Bones - Yep that was it. But if they wre only going to play one - I'm glad it was "Georgia".

Jesse Ventura appointed an Independent to fill Wellstone's shoes till the new Governer takes over. They interviewed him right after Senator Wellstone's Campaign Rally --- I mean, Memorial Service and he was fit to be tied. He vowed to do it and he did it....I don't know how much it means but..

JTullFan - Shame on you.... :(

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Posted by:

Bill

Pat B: Sandy Konikoff says that the Mickey Jones story (about the two of them) that you cite is totally inaccurate. I've spoken to Sandy maybe 20 times, and he's been scrupulously honest, if unnecessarily modest, as far as I can tell.

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Posted by:

Ben Pike

Location: Cleveland Tx

Gosh, I wish a Pete Seeger or The Doors could attain the artistic stature of... STEVIE NICKS..HA!

Well, it's awful early, but being a Christmas Pop hardcore I could dish it all year round. There is a rare single by Bill Withers called "The Gift Of Giving" that not a lot of people know about, but it it a really beautiful Christmas R and B balled. I never see it stuck on any anthologies. The Merle Haggard and Luvin Brothers have become favorite Christmas albums, country divison. There is a comedy writer named Eddie G who is famous for sending out his own anthology CDs of offbeat or just plain great Christmas music, these are hard to find, but one was actually released commercialy called "Christmas with Eddie G", it's filled with great stuff and strung together by somebody doing an uncanny imatation of the Three Stooges making there Christmas album. For folkies, the "Christmas At Mountain Stage" CD has The Roches and lots of other great stuff. Of course, The Roches own Christmas CD is great(if overly long) and has sort of become a staple. Don't write off Ringo's noisy "I wanna Be Santa" album either. I guess that will do for starters.

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Posted by:

Pehr

Subject: mac, manuel, RR

Peter Viney: Thanks for the Mac, Moon and Richard story. Mac used to live in town and play in town with some of my friends. a great guy. I'd love to saee that piano. I get chills just thinki8ng of it.

Some of my favorite RR solos are on Before the fl9ood. the opening cut, most likely, etc. made me go get a guitar. the first time I heard the solo on stagefright I though the world was gonna end (as I knew it)

That early stuff too- Who do ya love and Bo didelly.

sorry about the terrible spelling and punctuation. I'm dashing this off hurriedly!

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Posted by:

Ann

Subject: Christmas tunes

Roger...check out the Bruce Cockburn song "Cry of a Tiny Babe".

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Posted by:

Don Pugatch

Location: Georgia

Subject: Mickey Jones

For all those who have not received their DVD, here is some food for thought. Garth was Mickey's roomate on the tour. But what I do not know, was Richard and Rick room mates. If yes, can you imagine that scene, doubt there was too much sleep. Robbie's nick name on the tour was Barnacle, since he was always on the arm of Dylan. Dylan must have had a single, maybe Robbie and Albert Grossman roomed together, inquiring minds want to know. (ha). Sincerely, this is a fanastic documentary of the tour that changed music. Doubt it will be played more often then once of twice a year, but definitely a keeper for music fans.

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Posted by:

Bones

Great photos from the Little feat/Levon show. Thanks for sharing. I would love it if they released a version of the show on their own label, where they released a bunch of recent concert material in the last few years.

Am I to understand that the only song from the Band's SNL show that was shown the other night was "Georgia"?

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Her Majesty …

Bill: Keith Waterhouse's comic piece this morning has an imaginary conversation with the Queen where she complains that the Burrell case wasn't mentioned in the horse racing section of the Toronto Globe & Mail (the only information she consulted while in Canada). More sensibly it's been suggested she recompense the state just half the cost of the trial.

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Posted by:

David Powell

Web: My link

Subject: Blonde On Blonde

Dylan historian Roger Ford recently interviewed remastering producer Bob Irwin about the recently released Sundazed mono LP reissue of "Blonde On Blonde". This interesting interview clears up some questions regarding the various different versions of this landmark album. Sundazed Music has posted the interview on their on-line site which can be accessed by clicking on the link I've provided above.

In addition to his work for his own Sundazed label, Mr. Irwin was worked independently on many Sony reissue projects. He has also worked with Sony in organizing their extensive tape archive vault.

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Posted by:

Bill

BEG: I may be confusing her with someone with a similar name, but I believe that Cree Summer is the daughter - or perhaps was the stepdaughter - of Toronto singer / actor Don Franks - best known to the masses either as the leading man in Finian's Rainbow or the old guy in Nikita. Before Finian's Rainbow he led a brilliant little jazz trio with guitarist Lenny Breau (two LPs) and before that he was Ian Tyson's musical partner (until Sylvia came to town).

Peter V: I don't blame you for being ticked of at your (and, unfortunately, my) head of state. But then, as her office has pointed out, she WAS travelling in Canada for a big part of the trial. (It's so hard for us up here to find out what's going on in the more civilised parts of the world.)

Someone mentioned Austin City Limits. My wife channel-surfed onto the end of an Alison Krause set on that show last week, and there was latter-day Hawks, and Sea Train, drummer Larry Atamanuik.

In talking a bit about former Lightfoot / Ian and Sylvia guitarist last week, I neglected to mention that his biggest payday was probably his share of the proceeds from "Mississippi Queen", which he co-wrote with Leslie, Felix and Corky.

On the subject of snow, one of the more successful musical Canadians these days is Snow - apparently everyone wants to be like him.

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Posted by:

Subject: chrimbo songs

My fave has gotta be "Fairytale Of New York" - The Pogues followed by Slade's "Merry Christmas Everybody", both great songs, one romantic and the other a great knees up and they both capture the spirit. Can't believe it's nearly here already.....Bahh Humbug!!!

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: Answer to Roger from UK/Christmas tracks

Roger, I've been doing that for sometime now with Christmas cd's I burnmyself and mail out instead of cards. I find mixing unusual/alternative tracks with traditional songs by alternative artists, along with some sentimental standard fare creates a good mix with something for everybody. I recommend Leon Redbone's Christmas album, BB King's from last year, the rare Blues for Christmas by John Lee Hooker, Santa Clause Wants Some Loving by ALbert King, Merry Merry Christmas by Koko Taylor, The Staple Singers have a great christmas cd from the early 60's,Ray Charles does too...

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Posted by:

lifeboy

Subject: Peter Viney/All the rage/ Lonnie D

Peter, thanks for the info, I've just dug the book out(thought a friend still had it)and read the bit you printed,he also mentions(page 298)recording at Shangri-La with The New Barbarians and liking the Grand Steinway that he says also belonged to Richard. Anyway, I've sent him a mail about the other one at Moon's house, Cheers.

Lonnie Donegan was truly a key figure, especially in Britain where he did as much to inspire budding rock n' rollers as Elvis and Little Richard. A pioneer.

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Roger's Christmas songs

" A John Prine Christmas" has him singin' "Silver Bells" and "I saw Mama kissing Santa Claus" and an original song called "Christmas in Prison".

It's Christmas in prison and the food was real good..
We had turkey and pistols carved out of wood".

And the searchlight in the big yard swings round with a gun and spotlights the snowflakes like dust in the sun..
It's Christmas in prison.. They'll be music tonite .....
I'll probably get homesick .....
I love you .. Good-night."

Waits has a song called "Christmas Card From A Hooker In Minneapolis"

"Hey Charlie I'm pregnant and I'm living on 9th street... right above the dirty book store...
And I stopped takin' dope and I stopped drinkin' whiskey.. and my old man plays the trombone and works out at the track....
And he says he loves me altho it's not his baby..."

Robert Earl Keen's got a great song called "Christmas With The Family"

"Mom got drunk and dad got drunk at out Christmas party..
We were drinkin' champagne and punch and home-made eggnog..

Little sister brought her new boyfriend. He was a Mexican...We didn't know what to think of him till he sang Felix Navidad...

Feliz Navidad......

Brother Ken brought his kids with him...The three from his first wife Lynn and the two identical twin from his second wife MaryNell .... And of course he brought his new wife Kay, who talks all about AA...

Chain smokin' while the stereo plays Noel Noel the first Noel...

Carve the turkey ... Turn the ballgame on...
Mix Margarita's when the eggnog's gone..
Send somebody to the Quik-Pak store... We need some ice and extention cord.... A can of bean dip and some Diet-Rite... A box of tampons and some Marlboro Lights..

Hallelujah everybody say "Cheese" Mary Chrismas from the Family!

Fran and Rita drove from Harlingen...I can't remember how I'm kin to them .... But when they tried to plug their motor home in they blew our Christmas lights.. Cousin David knew just went wrong... So we all waited out on our front lawn .... He threw the breaker and the lights came on..

And we sang Silent Night .... Oh Silent Night

Carve the turkey. Turn the ballgame on...
Make Bloody Mary's cause we all want one ..
Send somebody to the Stop n' Go ...
We need some celery and a can of fake snow ....
A big bag of lemons and some Diet Sprite ...
A box of tampons and some Salem Lights ....

Hallelujah everybody say "Cheese" Merry Christmas from the family !

If I had known that wishing Pat Buchanon a happy birthday would have stirred up a ruckus I would have done it sooner ! Ho Ho Ho It was a joke!

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Pete Seeger

Woodlark - did I say Pete Seeger was boring? I probably meant "atrocious". : - )

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Ian McLagan, Lonnie Donegan

Ian McLagen’s “All the Rage”- He played Richard Manuel’s piano. (See p293) – he and Kim were in Keith Moon’s old house:

‘There was a pool table in the garage and an upright piano in the corner that was terribly out of tune, but had a lovely feel. I later learned it had once belonged to Richard Manuel of the Band. … so much dust had built up inside the piano that clouds formed every time I played. I’d taken the lid and the front panels off and put a vacuum cleaner nozzle down inside, when I heard something rattling. I felt around and pulled out a glass vial half full of a white powdery substance. I thought I knew what I’d found … so I flushed it down the toilet …… I had to presume it belonged to Richard Manuel. I can imagine him spending the night with Keith (Moon) and hiding it before he went home, thinking it would be waiting for him when he came back. Sadly, Richard’s gone now, but whenever I play one of those Band songs on that piano, I think of him and wonder.” (Ian McLagan)

So it sounds like (a) he still has it (b) he’s in the excellent habit of playing Band songs. Get the book, it’s one of the best accounts of British rock in the 70s and 80s.

Lonnie Donegan was a key figure, full stop. Van has always acknowledged it. RIP.

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Web: My link

Subject: Lonnie Donegan

I am sorry to learn of Lonnie Donegan's passing. I had recently reacquainted myself with his career as a result of his "Skiffle Sessions" album with Van Morrison. Many here, I'm sure, remember the novelty song "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It's Flavor on the Bedpost Overnight?". That was Lonnie Donegan but....there is much, much more to his career and his importance as a founding father of the skiffle scene in Great Britain.

The link above will take you to a brief biography if you would like to know more about Lonnie Donegan.

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Posted by:

David Powell

Location: Georgia

Thank you Amanda for posting the pictures of Levon with Little Feat.

Following Brien's thread, some of my favorite RR guitar leads are on John Hammond's "So Many Roads", which also features some fantastic playing from Levon, Garth & Charlie Musselwhite. Although Robbie Robertson is known for his economical guitar solos, the instrumental "Slo Burn" from the "Jimmy Hollywood" gives him a chance to build emotional intensity for six minutes or so. His solos on this song are woven against the wonderful accompaniment of the Gil Evans Orchestra.

Bayou Sam mentioned the late great Jimmy Bryant. Mr. Bryant, from Moultrie, Georgia, was one of the pioneers of the blistering Telecaster sound. I believe his playing, known for both speed & precision, influenced Roy Buchanan, Albert Lee, and countless other guitarists. His collaborations with pedal-steel guitarist Speedy West in the '50s remain, to this day, some of the most amazing examples of twin soloists ever recorded.

After talking up Mylon LeFevre last week, I went into a used record store Saturday and found newly arrived copies of his debut Cotillion LP and his two follow-up records on Columbia. Copies of these LPs in decent shape are not easy to find, and at $3.00 a piece, I couldn't pass them up. Allen Toussaint, who produced Mylon's debut album on Cotillion, also produced & played on his second Columbia album, "Over The Influence". This record also features a duet with Little Richard!

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Posted by:

John W.

Location: NYC

Sad to see the news that skiffle king Lonnie Donegan has died at the age of 71. He was a big influence on the Beatles. I see he has worked with Van Morrison, did he ever work with any of the Band?

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Posted by:

Roger

Location: Birmingham UK

Subject: Vote, vote, vote for Amanda and Christmas tracks

Great photos Amanda. Whoever emailed you better keep their identity hidden - there's a lot of support for you in the GB.

John Donabie - over the weekend I started making a list of Christmas tracks to burn to CD. I want an alternative to the music played endlessly in shops. Some of it, even good stuff like Fairytale of New York is just overplayed. Suggestions? So far:

Christmas Must Be Tonight

River - Joni Mitchell

Blanche comme la neige - Kate and Anna

Haven't the following written songs with a Christmas theme? : Tom Waits? John Prine? Dave Matthews?.

All suggestions welcomed...

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Posted by:

Calvin

Subject: A lot of stuff, most Band Related

To begin with I saw a very interesting Dylan show at Kent State University, as part of their 33 annual Folk Festival. Dylan being Dylan of course played the Rockingest show Ive ever seen him play, so he sort of didnt follow the Folk Festival mode. Still I was somewhat shocked at his inclusion of 2 Warren Zevon Covers, as well as 1 Stones and 1 Neil Young song. He played any number of "classics" at such an off tempo pace it was ofttimes hard to recognize them. All in all a good show.

Roger Mcguinn ends the festival for , by my humble estimation, a rather steep $25 for a guy who hasnt really released anything really good in a number of years, I'd pay it in a second for Hillman though. I know a few of you have seen him recently, any feedback.

As regards to Wallcott's querry on his not having his questions answered. I use to often email people answeres, or opinions, to their questions as to not clog up the board. FOr instance the new poster who yesterday asked if Levon and Robbie still talk, I would have sent him a private email explaining the situation. Sadly I think that is what we've lost the most by removing our emails. One on one communication.

As to your remark Amanda about it being a waste of time to try and work out problems in private email, and Im sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying. But I've had a disagreement or two on this board over the years, one misunderstanding with you as well, that have been worked out in private emails where apologies were made/misunderstanding were corrected/and tempers were cooled down. Of course both parties need to be logical, decent folk for that to happen. SOunds a little like your emailer wasnt.

My favorite Robbie solos are probably It Makes No Difference, although that may be the way its written, Ive always loved Rick's take on it as well.

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Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries

Subject: Pete Seeger

Every time Peter Viney says that Pete Seeger is boring I response: no, he is not. (Well, this must be really boring :-)

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Posted by:

lifeboy

Subject: Richards Pianner

Peter, I don't recall the bit about Richard's piano (can't believe I missed it!)and I've lent Mac's book to a friend, any chance you can tell us what you know? I'll send Mac another mail and ask him whether he still has it or what happened to it and post he's response here.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Ian MacLagan

Lifebouy- and as we discussed some time ago over Ian's hugely entertaining autobiography, he once had Richard Manuel's piano. Wonder if he's still got it.

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Posted by:

lifeboy

Subject: RR's Playing and other stuff......

I couldn't agree more on the ROA Unfaithful Servant solo, Robbie's poise and subtlety are second to none and it's great when he lets rip too(Baby let me follow you down from TLW),also I love the Ophelia solo for it's almost comical jauntiness,a real goodtime feel.

CLASSIC ALBUMS VIDEO

Incidently,someone taped The Band Classic Albums programme for me sometime ago, but the damn tape runs out just after Robbie has explained how Curtis Mayfield influenced his playing and demonstrating his technique,does anyone know how much left there is to go? I think I may buy it from Amazon anyway.

IAN MCLAGAN A GARTH ADMIRER

I got an E-mail from Ian Mcalagan, organist/pianist of Small Faces/Faces fame the other day after E-mailing him about something on his website and he says he read Levon's book,that he loves Garth's playing and that Chest Fever was a firm favourite of his, says he's gonna check out this site too.

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Christmas

I was working on a Christmas Music Special yesterday and I was listening once again to "Christmas Must Be Tonight" for the umpteeth time. Made me remember why I drop by here and what it was that brought me here.

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Posted by:

JTull Fan

Location: Richmond

Subject: RR leads

Brien, in addition to the two you listed, I love his work on It Makes No Difference and his subtle playing on Mystery Train. Thanks for the self promo. I made a mental note a while back to explore your website in greater depth and never got back to it. Looking forwards to it.

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Posted by:

Brien Sz

Location: nj
Web: My link

Subject: Coolest RR leads.., a little self promo

Some friends and I were talking about the state of modern music and how the lead guitar has died from a lot of music. Groups like Creed, Nickleback, Staind, rarely if ever use the lead guitar. It's usually two three guitar players jamming the same chord structure. We kind of traced it back to Nirvana and Pearl Jam who started the whole grunge scene and even though (especially Pearl Jam) used leads on there early albums, the groups who evolved out of that scene really just play chords. They fuzz it up and play catchy chord structures. Nirvana seems to get all the credit but a lot of today's singers have the Eddie Vedder without the marbles voice. Anyway, I'm driving listening to The Band and thinking about the lead guitar thing and even though RR isn't especially known for his lead guitar, two leads in particular stand out for me that really have a great groove and feel, King Harvest and Unfaithful Servant (off ROA). To me those leads, quick and to the point, are just full of passion..., I was wondering if anyone else had favorite RR leads.

I have received many nice compliments about my photography and thank you for them all, I appreciate it. I just re-did my gallery page to include more photo's and now they are accompanied by stories, both technical and or prose. Just click a thumbnail to read and see a larger version of a picture..., thanks

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Posted by:

FRANK HEATLEY

Location: IRELAND
Web: My link

Subject: LEVON AND BUTCH

Right on Amanda tell it like it is sister. Levon Helm was / is the very heart and soul of the entity that unites us all THE BAND. I,m fortunate enough to know the man and let me tell you this man is the business...one of the pleasures of my life was to hang out at Levon,s place in Woodstock for a couple of days back in june 2001[ Levon was in California , but Sandy and i got to sample some great chinese food in a local restraunt, that in addition to seeing Big Pink and meeting some local lads called The Apple pickers Union will stay with me forever.........if you ever read Levons book you,ll know about the lake at the back of the house, we,ll as i was swimming in it one sunny afternoon, watching the trout jump and red deer in their natural habittat it was one of those situations were you really had to pinch yourself to confirm it was all happening. I do not as a matter of habit post on the GB but i sure do enjoy it all for the most part....... as for Butch Dener well he is a gentleman of the old school and i doubt Levon could find such loyalty. i thought Levon [and Butch for that matter] looked terrific with Little Feat andthe setting looked so appropriate, always have a good thought for Levon and THE BAND. ''DIXIE HOLD ON''

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Pat Buchannon

So Pat Buchannon turned 64. "Will you still need me will you still feed me; when I'm 64." Hey Pat look in your own backyard for problems. Don't blame everything on the great white north. Getting boring and for those with intelligence.......insulting! What was it that Frank Zappa once said....."It Can't Happen Here......" Sounds like Frank was ahead of his time.

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Posted by:

G-Man

Subject: Amanda

Hey Amanda,,great photos of Little Feat,,Mr. Butch,,and Levon! Keep postin! Who cares where ya got em!! Gee,,if someone gave ya tickets to a show and ya were willing to share some extra tickets,,would there be any complaints?????

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: John Cass

You are SO right and I got sucked in to the soap opera. I'll take my Nana's advice and not "miss a good chance to shut-up."

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Posted by:

bob wigo

Subject: Unwanted Email

Fred, I too have received countless emails with attachments or links over the past several months. Many here have posted the same. Don't open them unless you are expecting them. They will do damage to your PC.

A rather low form of entertainment for some unfortunate soul.

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: I'm no angel

When people try to hurt me or make me feel bad about myself, it doesn't make me feel better to be nasty in return. I am sure most of you feel the same way. The best way to get the message across was to do it through the GB. Personal contact only gets you another song and dance. I don't think the person took exception with the actual photos being posted. The person feels the need to diminish other people in order to feel accomplished or worthwhile. If the person doesn't see this in themself, I feel very sorry. I've got flaws in my charater too, but intentionally hurting others is not one of them. As the saying goes..."The sun doesn't shine on the same dog's tail twice." Why is it intimidating for others to shine too? I would send photos to Jan of Levon standing on his head whistling Dixie. I only do it for Levon anyway. I know that may sound corny, but that is the way I feel. We all have our favorites and he is mine. I would do anything to help preserve his place in history.

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Posted by:

John Cass

Location: VT

Subject: This GB

This GB was once a great place to hear about The Band, music, concerts, see cool photos (like the Levon with Little Feat)

now it is a copy of a cheesy soap opera.. with people's feelings getting hurt, people's motives being questioned, people bickering back and forth, people sounding like they get emotionally upset...

Subject: Amanda photos/ W.S. Walcott

Amanda, the pictures are great,some of the best I've seen sent in here. I dunno who offended you or what was said but screw them anyway! There are some occasional spiteful arseholes on here.

Location: up there

Subject: what's the deal??????

I have to mention something that has been a bone of contention with me for some time. No, not the Zappa lyrics. I have submitted a few posts requesting information about this or that. Or I have asked for feedback from time to time. Well, I am lucky if I get one answer(thanks Bayou Sam, u were always cool with me)to a question. Yet others get volumes of responses.

What's the deal? Is this some sort of exclusive club? Are my posts not worthy? If my name was Viney(no animosity toward you Peter. I enjoy your posts, very well written) I would have a hundred responses by now. What's the deal?

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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: More Yellow Snow...

Speaking of the Zappa classic, a friend sent me this link to a fun animated video interpretation of the song--though it does sort of bear the same relationship to Zappa's amazing body of work that "My Ding-a-Ling" bears to Chuck Berry's.

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Posted by:

Fred

Subject: SPEAK UP I CAN'T HEAR!

Yesterday, spent the day at a local university's "culture festival" and they had among other bands a Guns 'n Roses tribute band (4 skinny Japanese 20 year olds with bad wigs..or at least they looked like wigs) I think their amps had that Spinal Tap volume knob that went to 11..my ears are still ringing! ouch!

I've been watching the extras on the TLW DVD pretty interesting. I'm going to watch the concert on Wednesday when I'm home from work while the wife and daughter are at work and school respectively. That way I can watch it WITHOUT interruptions. Speaking of "without"...

BWNWITenn: did you send me a rather large e-mail (130k)? If you didn't then I won't open it.

I haven't been getting any e-mails from my so-called African friends anymore, rather I've been getting e-mails from people in this GB that are rather large and I've never corresponded with them before (I normally don't open them). Anyone else with this "problem"?

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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny
Web: My link

Subject: Johnny Cash & Dylan & "Austin City Limits"

Click the link above for a good article about no fewer than four new CDs of interest to Johnny Cash fans (two are tribute discs and one features a new Dylan recording).

Thanks for the tip on Nora Jones singing "Bessie Smith" on Austin City Limits. The show airs where I live on Mondays...

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Posted by:

Jen

Location: New York

New to this guestbook and pretty amazed at the complexity of these posts. After my first post I checked in and saw that JH was nice enough to acknowledge my existence. Thanks JH! I am used to being ignored by my kids and boyfriend, so whenever someone gives me a nod, it keeps me from talking to myself all the time. Can you girls relate? Can I get a witness? Do ya ever get the feeling that you are loved for your prowess in the sack and in the kitchen? I stopped cooking and screwing for 3 days once, and everyone was nice to me, paid me all sorts of attention. For 2 days. After I started feeding em, and I got too horny to hold out, I became almost invisible again. Except at supper and sack time.

And yes JH, I got the feeling that Jeff, the songwriter of School for Fools was writing from experience. The words made sense, and Larry Thurston and Levon and the rest of the musicians delivered the lyrics and music perfectly. And I can't imagine anyone being that blue, or that funny, unless it came from their life. This stuff is just too good to makeup without a foundation.

Since I have less time than a washwoman at a coal mining camp, I really scroll through the majority of these posts until I find something of interest to me. I imagine that's what most of you do. Got to say some good musical info here,I love John Trudell. All I have of his is A.K.A.Grafitti Man, on a cassette I bought because Jesse Ed Davis was on it. I always loved his guitar, and really felt bad when I learned of his death. Too many of the good ones dying off. Now that I know about this 6 pack of John Trudell's, I'll go get it.

Speaking of six packs, "Happy Hour" from the School for Fools cd is playing right now. Man listen to Levon. And Johnnie Johnson on that piano.

Go Johnnie! Go Go Go! Johnnie B. Goode.

Bye, I gotta dance.

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Posted by:

Troy

Location: Tennessee

Subject: Levon and Robbie

Great site. Does anyone know if Levon and Robbie stay in contact at all??

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: To YOU

Don't contact me again. I want no part of you or your weird ways. Save your games for those who are interested or who fall for them. We can nip this in the bud now or not. I would prefer to keep my charming Southern Belle status because when the Arkansas comes out...it can get real ugly.

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Posted by:

rosalind

Subject: Thanks Amanda...

They're great photographs too. I appreciate the photographs here on this site and I don't care who takes them...

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Posted by:

Amanda

Subject: Rosalind

I am trying to show a little bit of GRACE...which wasn't extended to me. The person to whom the post was directed will know exactly where I am coming from. You know it wasn't directed at you. I unfortunately wasn't able to travel to D.C. for the Lisner show with Levon and Little Feat. I did, however, take the time to seek out some people who did. I came across some great photos and shared. Nothing more...nothing less. There is a person here who goes to great lengths to gain attention and accolades. That is fine and dandy, but they shouldn't involve me.

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Posted by:

Subject: Trying to hustle everyone that you meet...

WARNING: This is not Band-related. I am sorry to be a part of such nastiness, but unfortunately we all are sometimes provoked.

This post is directed to the mean-spirited, pathetic and GRACELESS person who has taken offense to me sharing photos of Levon that I didn't take myself. When I am like you...OLDER than the mountains with twice as much dust...and I am no longer in the heat of practicing the art of motherhood...maybe I'll travel some. I hope Levon is still around to enjoy when those days come...that is what MATTERS to me...then again, I am a TRUE Band fan...not just using the Band as a way to pick up men via the Internet. I've got three old sayings to share with you. The first two from my dear Arkansas Nana:

"A whistling woman and a crowing hen never comes to a very good end."

"Never miss a good chance to shut-up."

And from Mae West:

"It's not the men in my life, it's the life in my men."

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Yellow Snow

Frank Zappa prefaced his warning with “Don’t go where the huskies go” I believe. A clearly Canadian (but not Clearly Canadian) dilemma, taking us to the1950s world of mounties, huskies and the perils of the yellow snow, somewhere in the world of Bluto. I think this calls for a session with Joe's Garage and Hot Rats - nothing to do with yellow snow, but let's strike while the Zappa is hot.

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Location: ny

Subject: pee

"Watch out where the Huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow" - Frank Zappa

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Posted by:

Dexy

Subject: One and All

Has to be Garth on keys, right?

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Posted by:

Kalervo

Location: Somewhere in between

Subject: In the western Hemisphere

If Rosalind wishes Happy Birthday to that kind of a person, I congratulate Lula, the most promising leader in the western hemisphere. I really hope that the heartless bunch of the money sharks can' t manage put him down.

Brown Eyed Girl: It is so nice to see that Garland is still in top form. ....You know Bruce Springsteen is finally coming to Finland next June, after being in Sweden nine times! And Finland has always been a or the Bruuuce country!....

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Posted by:

Bashful Bill

Subject: yellow snow

Been away from the ol GB for an entire week, and for a change i'm not going to scroll back, so I don't know what has been happenin around here. But this morning I see that RR has made a yellow snow reference in a lyric somewhere. I recall a good Frank Zappa song from the early 70's on this topic, same album as Dynamo Hum if I recall correctly. G-Man-I've been emailin u but they bounce back? I'll give u a call Mon or Tues(I know anytime is a good time to call these days HA!), can't do Bottom Line on Sat but maybe that show on Fri, u say its only 3-4 hours from here? If I can get Sat off I'll try and do the Friday show.

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

Subject: guitar players

Walcott = Jeff Lynne worked with George on his "Cloud Nine" album and did a great job. While you can hear Jeff's hand on the CD, he didn't make it sound like an ELO album. I thought he made it sound like a "fresh" George Harrison album...... I agree with you about Phil Spector. I always thought he was over-rated.

I'm reading a book on the great Jimmy Bryant - one of the hands-down greatest guitarists ever, that remarkably few people ever heard of. I mentioned him once before in here and one or two folks knew of him.

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Posted by:

WS Walcott

back to the "yellow snow" warning in the Robbie song--was that dropped from "When You Awake" only to be resurrected years later?

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Posted by:

Subject: Garth cd

Finally purchased Garth's cd. It is amazing. I keep wondering why it took all these years for him to release a solo album ? Can anyone shed some light on this ? I hope he decides to make more music !!

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Posted by:

Fred

Location: SOVIET CANUCKISTAN..apparently

Well, the missus came through in a big way for the anniversary present: TLW DVD. Now I know why I married her!!

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Posted by:

Charlie Young

Location: Down in Old Virginny

Subject: "Fathers and Sons," Garland Jeffries & Springsteen

I'm listening to the "remastered and revisited" CD version of the classic studio and live combination set, "Fathers and Sons," featuring Muddy Waters with Otis Spann, Michael Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Donald Dunn, Sam Lay and Buddy Miles. I still have my original double-disc vinyl version of the set, but the CD sound seems a bit better than the original and there are four bonus tracks (plus I found a used copy for six bucks!).

BEG: another big Garland Jeffries fan is a guy named Bruce Springsteen. I have an audience recording of Springsteen's all-star Christmas benefit concert from Asbury Park last December and Jeffries joined Elvis Costello, Bruce Hornsby and other guests. Jeffries performed "Welcome to the World" and "New York City Skyline" after a very complimentary introduction by Springsteen.

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Posted by:

Subject: Levon / French Reggae / Robbie? / Garland

As soon as I heard Levon and Thurston on "You Know Who You Are"....I smiled and thought.....yes!

French Reggae: Valerie Lagrange "Le Jeu" and Montreal's Dubmatique rap with a reggae groove to their own version of Marley's "No Woman, No Cry" to "People No Cry"......a must song to have in anyone's collection......

I have part of a song downloaded titled "One_and_All Short".....It sounds like Robbie singing with organ.....Does anyone know anything about this song that begins with:

"Don't let the children stay up too late
and teach them the things they ought to know
like how to give and don't be greedy
and never ever eat the yellow stones?
Happy, Happy Holiday
Happy, Happy Holiday"......

I heard from Garland Jeffreys this week who told me.....that I have uplifted him......with all my enthusiasm and interest in his music over the years! Imagine that......wow.....There are not too many artists who will tell you that they appreciate the time you take to photograph them......or just share why their music rocks their world. Afterall, he writes and sings in the same tradition of Bob Marley.....How could I not take notice? Hail, Hail Garland Jeffreys! Keep MAKING A NOISE IN THIS WORLD!

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Posted by:

Diamond Lil

Subject: Spam

I was wondering if, since Jan removed our e-mail addresses from this gb (and the archives).. anyone else has noticed a significant decrease in junk mail? I certainly have. I've gone from about 50-60 a day, to less than 10! The Nigerians have stopped asking me for money, and the Viagara people have stopped asking if I want to increase the size of something I don't have... Thanks Jan!

Have a good day everyone.

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Posted by:

Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries
Web: My link

Subject: French rock music

For some weeks ago people were discussing French music here. There IS at least one rock artist: JOHNNY HALLYDAY. French rap is worth listening, too: MC SOLAAR, MONSIEUR MC. (My link is the gb vCard.)

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Native American links- Van - Otis- DVD

Dave Z- please keep discussing the Native American links here. In fact compared to Levon’s many links to other artists, we’ve hardly ever discussed Little Wolf Band. I picked up Dream Song but have never managed to follow up any of the other Native American artist connections. They’re hard to find, and shops are so ignorant that they’ll be in World Music, hopefully close to “Pan Pipes of the Andes – 24” under “American”, but just as likely between “Ravi Shankar Ragas On” and “The Wailing Singers of Pakistan” in the “Indian” section. The other place to find Native American stuff is health food stores and places like “The Discovery Store’ again next to synthesizer + talking drums crap by Chief Passing Cloud (whose real name is probably Nigel Smith from Croydon). I’d never heard of the Laura Satterfield album, and I’d like more information about John Trudell’s solo work, and any of the other artists in the Red Road Ensemble.

Clinton Heylin’s “Can You Feel the Silence” is easily available in the UK, and my local Borders had several copies this morning- not that I’m recommending Borders because the Free CD had been taken out of my newspaper before I bought it! Amazon.co.uk would have it if it isn’t released in the USA, and given Van’s various moves to stop it, the US is generally more wary of litigation. I’m only up to Them, and it’s good, thoroughly researched and revealing – and full of all the pseudo-psychological interpretation that Van would hate most, as well as refuting comment after comment he made on his own youth. He tends to put up Van’s quote, then two or three that indicate it’s wrong. Van disliked the syncophantic Steve Turner coffee table bio – but this is something else!

Otis Redding’s proposed ‘Just Like a Woman’ was a tantalizing prospect. I suspect the nearest we’ll get in the 1990s Van Morrison live version, where we do get a bit of Otisesque ‘break just like … break just like … break just like a baby girl …’, at least on a good night. I’ve seen him try hard to get the band to break up laughing by playing around with the lyrics, ‘And you eat cornflakes, just like a woman’ was the killer line.

John D: My Mickey Jones DVD hasn’t turned up yet either. Post is odd. I posted something to Chicago ordinary air mail on Monday afternoon and it was delivered Wednesday morning. The week before I sent something to Boston, and paid a lot extra for “Swiftair-Guaranteed Delivery” and it took ten days. Not panicking yet!

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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: haven't left yet

Subject: stuff

brown eyed girl: I liked "Out Of The Blue" too, but it is an entirely new recording. Having said that, I should also say that the Olympic version of “Making A Noise” is also an entirely new recording and is not really a remix either (even though the liner notes say "new mix by Dan Gellert"). That it was an entirely new recording was apparent from the substitution of “life” for “ass,” though technically that alone could have been accomplished with a punch in. However, as you note, the changes in the two vesions are larger and there is a verse from the original that is missing for the Olympic version. There is also an added verse 2 in the Olympic version:

We give thanks to the people

For the stories that you’ve told

When all the skins come together

Now that’s a sight to behold

Keep on walk down the railroad

Like a river to the sea

Go on and tell it on a mountain

Its bound to set my spirit free

Dave Z: Robbie, like many others, reuses things that he likes. I notice a lot of melodic similarities in Robbie’s solo material including the ones you mention. He also reused lyrics. The verse “smokey bars and souped up cars” appears more than once.

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Posted by:

rollie

Subject: the saga of pepote rouge

There's a place I wanna go, somewhere between Big Pink and the beaches of California. Garth is there, Viney as well.Richard is howling at the moon and Brown eyed Girl is the hostess.John Simon and Peter Stone Brown are dialing in the sound. Jan throws the switch and the waltz begins. You know, we're only livin in a dream................

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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Location: cabbagetown

Subject: Robbie / Otis / Dylan / Ego

Jonathan Katzzzzzz: You may be right about remixes....I'm not sure.....but I do hear the same sound in the instrumental version of "Out Of The Blue"....I'm really only interested in a new version if the song is a different tempo or groove.....I always liked for instance how Dylan would incorporate a reggae groove to some of his older material.....I once bought a Marley remix CD of the song "What Goes Around Comes Around".....not much difference between each song except sometimes a different son's voice is interwoven into song.....How are these for remixes? Boom Remix...Yard Remix...Dancehall Remix...Urban Reggae Remix...Club Remix...Alternative Remix...Original Mix...Album Remix....Enough?????......

Although I was so elated to see Robbie perform live on TV during the Olympics......I was in fact really disappointed that he substituted "ASS" for "LIFE".....and.....he omitted most of the original lyrics.....For me the POWER of the song has always been the message of standing up for yourself and your human rights and not going quietly into the night no matter how hard people try to silence you.......He also left out the very ending of the song where he sings probably the most political lyrics.....

"I think you thought I was gone
I think you thought I was dead
You won't admit that you was wrong
Ain't there some SHIT that should be said
Chorus
The Indian dancers stop and stare at him
Like he was bad weather
He keeps dancing
And knocks loose an eagle feather
The drums stop
This is the kind of silence that frightens WHITE MEN

Making a noise in this world
Making a noise in this world
You can bet your ASS
I WON'T GO QUIETLY

Makin' A NOISE IN THIS WORLD

(NO INDIANS ALLOWED)

MAKING A NOISE by ROBBIE ROBERTSON who finally takes his own power back and calls himself REDBOY.....

Info on Otis and "Just Like A Woman"....Apparently it was artists such as Dylan and The Beatles who brought to his attention that lyrics were just as important as a groove of a song......At the Whiskey a Go Go show Dylan showed up on opening night to finally see Otis. The story goes that he went backstage with his acetate of "Just Like A Woman".....and he gave it to Otis and suggested that he record it......

Otis reacts to Dylan's "JLAW": "I like it but it's got too many fuckin' words. All these pigtails and bobbytails and all that stuff."

BTW.....I quote a lot because I am blown away by the way some artists can put words together or because I want the reader to read the original words of an artist....As for me......of course I'm not very original.....Anyone who thinks they really have something original to offer......must have a really big egoooooooo and should stop wasting their time posting here and become a rock star and kick out the JAMS!....;-D

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Posted by:

Dave Z

Location: Chaska, MN

Jonathan: Boy, I'd like to hear from the techies too... the music from Pray sounds very similar too Carry Me... and parts of the music from RR's Twisted Hair sounds similar to that appearing on Dream Song by Little Wolf... I think the two versions of Twisted Hair are equally cool in their own right... The Little Wolf version has a noticeable campfire playing at the start with pops and crackles... and the vocals are at a slower pace than what RR does... cricket sounds appear on both... More coyote/wolf sounds I seem to recall in RR's version of Coyote Dance... btw I luv Laura Satterfield's vocals throughout especially on Oweegon... made me buy her CD Dirty Velvet Lie... I wish some of the Robbie fans would speak up about what they like from some of his Indian friends... I think All Night Cafe from Trudell is wonderful... email me if you'd like at dlzuck@zucks.com because I can get excited about some stuff that maybe doesn't fit in here too well... And I don't know what we were thinking when my wife & I put one of the twin boys in a Captain Hook outfit... and the other in a Peter Pan outfit... they have been fighting non-stop... and of course we let them eat too much candy... My little Tinker Bell was cute though... even if all you saw was wings coming out from under a winter coat, hats and mittens... Hope everybody survived Halloween... well, I'm gonna head into the chatroom now and see if I can watch a sugar-fueled cat fight...

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: One Mo' Time

Thanks to David Powell I know own a crisp original version of "Gospel Ship" by Mylon. I noticed a greatest hits CD; but it is a re-recording of Gospel Ship. I hope Columbia or someone puts out an "Original" greatest hits pkg one day.

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Posted by:

John D

Listening to the new double CD of Alison Krauss and Union Station.....Randy Bachman's Newest Live album of his greatest Guess Who and BTO Songs done acoustically......Tonny Bennett and k.d. Lang....& Ron Sexsmith. Busy listening week-end; but some great music. I must see Ms. Krauss the next time through town. Randy Bachman and Burton Cummings are appearing at a half time Canadian Football game this week-end. He will drop by to see me on Thursday to promote new album. Anxious to see how much weight he has lost. He had his stomach stapled earlier this year by the same Dr. that did Carnie Wilson. That procedure frightens me. I'm still battling the old fashioned way + I don't have 30-40 thousand American for the operation.

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Mickey Jones DVD

I would be just happy to get my copy. Peter do you have your cipy yet? I remember you were one of the first to order. BEG has hers. Must be crossing the border into Scarborough :-)

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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: Columbia MD, but heading south!

Subject: Remixes, etc.

brown eyed girl: Robbie may like to "mix it up," but there is little evidence that he played a significant role in production of the remixes, other than very likely requesting and/or approving them. He is not credited for any of the remixes, even as part of a duo. Technically Robbie's "Out Of The Blue" on "Any Given Sunday" is not a remix at all - it is a totally new recording. The techies out there may want to supplement this but, my understanding is that a remix technically involves no new recording - just a readjustment of the gain on the various tracks. Although there are some releases called remixes where there appears to be an additional track or two thrown into the mix.

Dave Z: I like “Pray” just fine, but I’ve never heard the Little Wolf versions of the Cricket Song and Coyote Dance? I'm just glad RR is out there making music, however he chooses.

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Posted by:

Fred

Royal families: one of mankind's worst "inventions"

Yesterday, by sheer luck I found out that the local Tower Records will start selling TLW DVD on November 2nd..which is TODAY!! OKAY I'M out the door as I write this...

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Mickey Jones + sorry … politics …

I said that Mickey Jones DESERVES a place on this site, not that he didn't have one. I meant simply that his place was well-deserved!

In the heat of the moment – I hope to be calmer tomorrow. We British GB posters have generally eschewed the fury of politics here, but find ourselves in what I perceive to be a constitutional crisis. And this has nothingto do with the music. So five minutes before Diana’s butler goes into the witness box to tell what he knows under oath, Her Majesty the Queen reveals that she’s known all along that he was innocent because he’d told her he was taking all the stuff into safekeeping 5 years ago – during which time the government have spent £1.5 million of taxpayers’ (=my) money on the spurious prosecution. Well, bang goes my potential knighthood. If it had been me, not the Queen, wasting £1.5 million of public money by witholding this vital information through weeks and weeks of a trial, I would now be in the cells facing a charge of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. So, sign me up for the Boston Tea Party. I’ll sling the Twinings English Breakfast into the harbour with the rest of them. George III’s corruption lives on in his descendants. They succeeded in stopping the butler revealing what he knew under oath. It’s foul if he’s guilty, even more foul if he’s innocent (which I have always believed in fact) and has had to face 18 months of personal misery. Blair’s spindoctors in government stitched him up in an effort to destabilise the Monarchy. The Queen kept quiet till she thought he was going to spill the beans. A plague on both of them. I have just re-read the Declaration of Independence, 1776, which is a fine piece of writing. Amen! But God save us from a political Presidency. It seems from early reports that she told Prince Charles on Friday and he persuaded her to come clean. Fine, so it’s probably time for an abdication then. The Prince does manufacture exceedingly good organic foodstuffs, which I admire. Apologies. I might well be more sanguine tomorrow. Such strong views could lead to my expulsion from the POBTH party

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Posted by:

DZ Again

Thanks for putting me in my place guys... I find out something new everyday on this great site... and that's why I keep coming back... i.e. like that cool picture of Rick from the Australian Band tour...

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Posted by:

jh

Web: My link

Subject: Mickey Jones

Dave Z,

Mr. Jones has been listed in the Band/Hawks "members section" of this web site for 7 or 8 years now. Sandy Konikoff too, of course. Not to mention Bruce Bruno, Sredni Vollmer, Scott Cushnie and other more or less known musicians that at some point was a part of the line-up. So there.

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Posted by:

PV is correct. Mickey Jones says that he played with Dylan in the LA rehearsals, Australia, and Europe. He details that Dylan kept everyone on the payroll well after the motorcycle accident. He also says that both Konikoff and he were at the first few LA rehearsals when Konikoff--who was to stay on as a percussionist--abrubtly left. Is Mickey Jones the bible here? As I've said, Jones' version of the Otis Redding-Just Like A Woman encounter differs significantly from Richard Manuel's recollection.

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Posted by:

Ilkka aka Woodlark

Location: Nordic Countries, this time by the Castle of Hamlet in Denmark
Web: My link

Subject: Announcement

ANNOUNCEMENT FROM ILKKA:

I have posted to this exciting gb - the best in the entire internet - in my own first name for the four years. Now I am going to use the same screen name as everywhere else. It has a slight connection to my family name. From now on "ILKKA" will be "WOODLARK" even in this gb. The emailaddress will be the same: woodlark.geo(a)yahoo.com and the address to my gb vCard (= My link) will also be the same.

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Posted by:

Peter Viney

Subject: Mickey Jones

Haven't got the DVD yet, but I assume Mickey meant he was employed by Dylan for two years, which he mentions in interviews. I thought he played from early 66 to May, went off for a break, then came the alleged 'accident' and he said he was paid for another year after that. That presumably means the four Hawks were too. This area of lost time between May 66 and the basement tapes, beginning 9-10 months later is a fascinating undocumented period. If you take the end of November 65 to Levon's return late in 67 (around Halloween it seems) Levon was out for very nearly two years.

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Posted by:

Peter Stone Brown

Location: Philly
Web: My link

Subject: Mickey Jones

Mickey Jones did not play with Bob Dylan for two years. He played with Bob Dylan for two months!

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Posted by:

Bill

First, I wouldn't trust Mickey Jones on Sandy Konikoff, as they obviously weren't in Dylan and the Hawks together. Others - at Dylan sites on the internet, for example - have detailed where and when Sandy toured and recorded with Dylan.

Second, thanks again David P for all the Mylon info. It came to mind that Auburn Burrell played on at least one of David Rae's LPs - certainly the one that came out on Bruce Cockburn's True North label. Pappalardi produced it, so there's lots of other Mountain clan involvement - West, Laing, Mike Ship... For years before that Rae was Lightfoot's lead guitarist, then Ian and Sylvia's. I believe he's on their LP with "Wheels On Fire".

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Posted by:

Pat Brennan

The Band did two segments on their SNL appearance. The first included Carnival, Dixie, and Stage Fright. The second, at the end of the show, had Georgia. Bearing medical adhesive tape from a run-in with John Belushi's samauri sword, Buck Henry gave a heart-felt intro, mentioning both the group's retirement and the upcoming LW. At the end of the first segment, I recall an audience pan that showed Dylan and maybe Neil Young. BTW, The performances were absolutely stellar. As I mentioned before, Dixie included a photo montage of each member. Georgia has been available online for quite some time at the Burly Bear network.

Chase, if you read the credits, you'll see that Richard Manuel wrote a lot of songs at first, with occasional contributions from Rick Danko.

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Posted by:

Mike Carrico

Location: Georgia

Subject: Thursday Night Edited

I managed (sort of) to catch The Band on SNL last night...Richard was halfway through the first verse of "Georgia" when I had to leave the room to answer the door. It was a small army of gremlins threatening unspecified harm to life and limb unless their demands were met. Fortunately I was able to pay them off with miniture versions of popular candy bars. By the time I got back to the tv, our boys were hitting the last note of the song. Drat! I missed seeing Buck Henry get his noggin nicked by the Samurai Stockbroker for the same reason.

It sure would have been nice for all four Band songs to have made the cut, but for rarity value I'm glad that the lone survivor was their endorsement of the man from Plains. It's a shame that these old SNL shows have to be edited at all, but let's remember that E has to make room for Anna Nicole Smith, Wild On The Frozen Tundra, and other such quality programming.

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Posted by:

Chase

Location: Georgia

Subject: Songwriting

Hi ya'll. Robbie, if you read this, I'll plead ignorance: Just wanted to know if Robbie is principal songwriter on all the great songs or did other members have more direct writing involvement? thanks

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Posted by:

David Powell

Subject: Georgia music digressions

In answer to Bill's questions -- Mylon, who grew up performing gospel music with his family, the LeFevres, released his first major venture in secular rock in 1970. This eponymous album, released on the Cotillion/Atlantic label, was produced by the great Allen Toussaint and recorded at LeFevre Sound Corp. in Atlanta. Mylon blended his gospel roots with rock & soul grooves and was backed by musicians who were doing sessions & tours with various acts working with Bill Lowery's Atlanta-based management organization. The musicians included Auburn Burrell, Dean Doughtry and Kim Venable, who had worked with the Classics IV. Other session players included lead guitarist Barry Bailey and bassist Paul Goddard, who along with keyboardist Doughtry, would shortly thereafter help form the nucleus of the group, the Atlanta Rhythm Section.

It is interesting to note, time frame-wise, that Ronnie Hawkins was also recording for the Cotillion label at this time and released two albums he did with the late Tom Dowd. The first was recorded in 1969 at Muscle Shoals, Alabama, and the second in 1971 at Criteria in Miami. 1970 was also the year that Allen Toussaint first worked with The Band, on the charts for "Life Is A Carnival".

A year or so later, Mylon signed with Columbia and hooked up with Felix Pappalardi who produced his debut album on that label entitled "Holy Smoke". Guitarist Auburn Burrell stayed on as a core member of Mylon's new band, Holy Smoke, and also co-wrote songs with Mylon, including one called "Holy Smoke Doo Dah Band". Holy Smoke would also include musicians who were working with Pappalardi, such as Jean-Pierre Lauzon & Marty Simon, along with some southern- based players. The Columbia album featured several songs that Mylon wrote with various group members and a great cover of Micky Newbury's "Why You Been Gone So Long". The album also included a Mountain song, "Silver Paper", on which Mylon was backed by Leslie West, Corky Laing, Pappalardi, Auburn & Mary Simon. Mylon also did a cover of "Baby I'm Down", written by Pappalardi & his wife Gail Collins, who also designed the album's cover.

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Location: Richmond

Subject: SNL music

Seems to me it would be a good idea for SNL to put out a compilation DVD of musical guests just like Ed Sullivan did recently. Maybe they have and I just haven't seen it. I've never seen the Band clips from SNL, and much as it's been posted out here, I can't get myself to plan to watch t.v. at a certain time.

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Posted by:

Jenny T

Subject: SNL

I watched (and taped) the whole show, and it was good to see Georgia but it kind of bugs me that they edited out three other songs. Does anyone know what the other songs they played were? I might have seen it when it originally aired but back then I was 14 and completely ignorant of the Band. Also I usually fell asleep before the music. I'll tell you, they could have cut a lot of that lame comedy material--I'm sorry but that show was just not all that funny back then.

Now I just need to see the Ed Sullivan appearance, and I am wondering if that Ed Sullivan video/DVD they have been advertising has the Band on it. Does anyone know?

People who have the Mickey Jones thing--is it interesting? Do the guys do anything interesting in it? MJ e-mailed me to say there is a lot of sightseeing as well as concert footage, but I did not order it yet.

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Posted by:

Subject: Band / Saturday Night Live

Caught The Band doing "Georgia" on a Saturday Night Live repeat last night. Anyone else??

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Posted by:

John D

Subject: Warren Zevon

I wished I had watched or taped Letterman last night. It sounds like I missed a classic performance by a performer experiencing something that none of us could understand unless we were in the same situation. You also wonder if that's a show that will be used in a repeat situation with the circumstances and all. God Be With Mr. Zevon.

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Posted by:

brown eyed girl

Location: cabbagetown

Subject: Robbie / Mickey Jones Revisited / Wavelength

Robbie likes to mix it up.....because he wants too...:-D.....pure experimentation when it's art and not commercial fillers......I like different mixes only if they are transformed from the original.....Robbie's "Out Of The Blue" with The Band and his "Out Of The Blue" on "Any Given Sunday".....totally different vibes but both valid and necessary because one is sung with The Band and the other is an instrumental played only by Robbie on guitar.............

Some Insights of Mickey Jones....Behind the scenes of "Eat The Document".....

The Documentary is basically about Mickey and his love for Bob Dylan as an artist......and his respect for Bob as a person......The Band is there to make it all happen. Mickey states that music is not to listen to......but to experience. He answers questions by Joel Gilbert and shares his home movie of the '66 Tour and stills of Barry Feinstein (I have the photo book by Feinstein, Kramer, and Marshall).....are shown as well......I didn't find the recollections boring 'cause I like to hear first hand stories.....I really enjoyed hearing how Dylan really wanted to meet Otis Redding in particular and Otis really wanted to meet Dylan......and it was Mickey who made it happen........Unfortunately Otis was killed in a plane crash and wasn't able to record "Just Like A Woman" as he told Bob he would on his next recording.......It would of course be very telling if the remaining members of this Tour that changed everything........could tell their own story however....

Mickey played with Trini for eight years, three years with Rivers, two years with Dylan and ten years with Kenny Rogers and The First Edition and then decided to get into the film business. He said that Konikoff was around for maybe two rehearsals and then split....He found the Band members Robbie, Garth, Rick and Richard relatively introverted....and that they didn't speak much but they became friendlier as time went on.....Mickey got to know Garth in particular because they were roommates and they did sight seeing together and travelled back to NY at the end of the Tour by ship while the other Band members travelled by plane.......There is a little bit of live footage of The Beatles in Paris........

When the group went backstage to take a break Bob apparently got more geared up when he put on his black Tele and couldn't wait to plug it in! On purpose he gave the media a hard time by playing mind games and once even used a puppet during interview....

Mickey saw Garth as the neatest guy to room with and one of the truely amazing musicians of our time.....One shot shows Garth just lying on a rock and he even films Mickey a bit......All the Band members hung around with Bob and each other but probably Robbie was the most glued to Bob's side.....obviously being a musical sponge like he was with Ronnie.....The deal at the end of the Australian and European gig was to take a couple of months off and then regroup and begin tour at Shea Stadium in NY and then off to Moscow but......Bob had his Triumph 650 motorcycle accident (same bike Mickey rode) and called Mickey from hospital and said tour was cancelled......

"The Hawks sound was huge like a jumbo jet taking off".......Highway 61 band can be heard playing Dylan songs in background of video.....I wanted the real deal......

Kalervo: "You got me" on your "wavelength".....Thanks again to Ilkka for the introduction.....:-D

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Posted by:

BWNWITennessee

Subject: Boo(yah)!

WARNING - Don't eat any Halloween candy this year! In a surprising sign of cooperation, both Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein have teamed up to attack America's children, utilizing al Queda agents throughout the U.S. to both poison candy bars directly at the factory, and to pass out infected candy from thousands of houses throughout the U.S. REPEAT - don't eat any Halloween candy! Send it all directly to me!

Okay, it's a joke, one I'm sure that will get lots of people yelling at me, just like the good ol' days. But seriously, I'm very, very surprised that nobody spread that rumor - it seems so obvious. Unless they did spread it, and I just didn't hear it. But somebody sent me an e-mail once, in all seriousness, that terrorists were infecting free product samples, and that you must throw away any dish detergent, toothpaste and perfume samples you get in the mail or magazines. People are so gullible. Just think of the effects if someone did spread that rumor a few weeks ago. There'd be millions of candyless kids. Maybe a dentist should have done it. (P.S. - that one was for you, Crabby.)

There was an article in the paper today that Nashville public schools are not celebrating Halloween in any way because too many people have (religious) problems with the holiday. For fuck's sake, people! Lighten the hell up! Someone my own age (82) told me that when he was a kid, his church put on the best haunted house in town. Now, they act like you're going to burn in hell if you let your daughter dress as a princess and get a free Milky Way from your neighbor. It's a harmless kids' holiday, you freaks. I don't know whether or not dressing as Moses is acceptable.

Welcome aboard, Pete, Jen and Tony! (What's going on here?) Stay awhile, feel free to post about any topic you want, and join the community. But for God's sake, do not disagree with me.

Harry, aw, shucks. That's all I needed to hear. I love you, man! (Your wife, too, but we'll discuss that another day.)

And to make it official, I read somewhere about the Pgh. Syria Mosque show being the last "real" Band gig. I forget where, possibly an article about it before they tore it down. But I posted that here a few years ago, and someone e-mailed me and said they were there, and that they hadn't realized it was the last show, but that the date of the show would have made it the last one.

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Posted by:

Jonathan Katz

Location: Columbia, MD

Subject: Remixes

Why does Robbie Robertson release so many remixes?

Ghost Dance - 6 different mixes

Makh Jchi - 5 different mixes

Golden Feather - 2 different mixes

In The Blood - 2 different mixes

Take Your Partner By The Hand - 4 different mixes

Testimony - 2 different mixes

Unbound - 2 different mixes

What About Now - 2 different mixes

Making a Noise - 3 different mixes

Showdown At Big Sky - 2 different mixes

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Posted by:

Bayou Sam

Location: ny

I watched Warren Zevon on Letterman last night, and it was something. He displayed alot of class and bravery. Letterman also displayed the same qualities. Zevon was great - both in the interview, and the performing. He didn't seem like a man who knows he's dying - but more like a dying man who isn't going to waste a minute of the time he has left. he joked around a lot. It was quite a thing to watch. The songs were great - but you couldn't help just feeling sad watching it. It was something.

I felt like I wanted to give him a hug, and then ask him if he wanted to jam.

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Posted by:

lifeboy

Subject: TLW tonight

Hi everyone

I just watched TLW for the zillionth time(VHS but who gives a shit about format it still sounds great!)and I'm trying to tap away on the keyboard really quietly cos my studio/pc/whatever room doubles as my son's bedroom when he stays with me(it's school holidays here) and he's snoozing about 5ft away from me as I type this.

Anyway,a few things struck me tonight and I thought I would share them while they are still fresh in my mind. One of them was this: I see the distinct personalities in the same way as I see in The Who, I'm not making musical comparisons here, it's just the way each individual stands out on their own so much yet they are all very much together and all so in to it, I love to watch and hear that,like their buzz is my buzz/our buzz kinda thing.....aint music great when it gets to being that good! I love the way Levon sings his ass off(Dixie in particular, he didn't write it apparently but it's he's song dammit!) like he really knows it's the last time, beautiful and so much soul. Richard's big grin and nod at the beginning when the credits are still showing during "Don't do it", Garth completley lost looking like Moses just down from the mountain with his wild hair flying, Rick looking as pleased as punch,(His grin is so big on the Clapton bit when Robbie is soloing,like they're ganging up on him but in a nice kinda way) a real joiner inner and his verse during "The Weight", it's almost like he just thought "Shit, that was Mavis and Pops, I gotta mean this, and he certainly does, one of my favourite bits....and speaking of favourite bits....Robbie during "Ophelia" when he turns around to look at the horn section and mimes "ya da da da da da!", I never cease to break into a smile at that bit, in fact I tend to smile and sing all the way through it...always! I could pick out many other things but I would be here forever(though sometimes I think I am anyway!), that'll do just for now, I'll have a whole lot of other things to share when I watch it again and that's not far away. Hope that didn't sound too much like inane drivel.

Good night all.

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Posted by:

Dave Z

Sacrifice? I don't know. I listen to it a lot myself.

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Posted by:

biffalo bull

Subject: the blues had a baby

Big Bill Morganfield, the son of Muddy Waters is playing in Port Dover, Ontario, Canada, this Saturday night. The show starts at 8 p.m., call the box office at (519) 583-2221 for info. "I was born with the blues," Morganfield says. "I take them wherever I go."

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