The Band Guestbook, October 2000

Posted on Tue Oct 31 23:32:32 CET 2000 from proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.123)

jarp~bartender

Dave ~ Drummer.....thanks for the christmas present.....you can send it in care of The Blue Knob Ski Resort in lovely Claysburg Pa.......or is it Knob Creek Ski Resort............bein' from Pittsburgh you probably know.......come on down and I'll see to it that you and yours get a 15% discount on most everything on "pleasure mountain" ! !

Posted on Tue Oct 31 22:58:22 CET 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Did Rick & company's "Live on Breeze Hill" concert actually take place during the daytime, as all of the CD packaging/photos would suggest?

Posted on Tue Oct 31 22:16:45 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

One of the blues magazines, "Living Blues" I think, has an excerpt from a court case involving a Claud Johnson. The article says that Claud's father was bluesman Robert Johnson, and that his mother was Virgie Cain!

Posted on Tue Oct 31 22:14:06 CET 2000 from spider-tn024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.54)

Dave ~ drummer

Did someone order a censor, examiner or expurgator ????

Posted on Tue Oct 31 22:09:45 CET 2000 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Yo pear; my point is why the feudin in the first place?? Why get Jim Weider involved ?? He is a great player and a class act!!

Posted on Tue Oct 31 21:48:19 CET 2000 from 1cust167.tnt2.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.25.9.167)

rollie

Hey! Good one Bob! On a more intelligible note(from myself that is!),legendary harpist Norton Buffalo has released another recording on Blind Pig records.Best known for his harmonica solo on Bonnie Raitts version of the Del Shannon tune "Runaway", King of the Highway(album title) reveals for the first time what folks can expect to hear during one of his live shows,.Good songwritng , harpblowing, and sangin!, this is well worth picking up.(And I did say sangin!)---P.S.-all bull;shitting aside, I'm a big fan of the Gurus and Jim Weider, now when inthe hell are they going to come west?

Posted on Tue Oct 31 21:32:38 CET 2000 from spider-mtc-td044.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.169)

bob wigo

OK. Who changed the order from one dead horse to a complete smart ass ?

Posted on Tue Oct 31 21:28:38 CET 2000 from a6a003.pds.dal.ca (129.173.6.23)

Iain ~ Putz

I caught the Gurus on CBS last weekend and thought they were cookin' to tell you the truth. I'm sure the Barnburners are hot, too. Levon's one of the best.

Posted on Tue Oct 31 21:11:51 CET 2000 from spider-to062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.72)

Dave ~ drummer

Jarp:

Surely you jest. Has the Halloween spirit overtaken your soul or are you just playing tricks in this GB ????? Sure as hell ain't no treat. Apparently , you've never had the pleasure of meeting and conversing with Jimmy W. If you had, you'd never slander him like that. I think we should all chip in and buy you JW's Homespun Video for Xmas. That might change your tune ol' buddy.

Posted on Tue Oct 31 20:54:43 CET 2000 from proxy-523.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.113)

jarp

.......ya ain't missin' much......

Posted on Tue Oct 31 20:36:49 CET 2000 from a6a015.pds.dal.ca (129.173.6.35)

Iain Harnish

I'm pretty sure that's Levon and Rick on "Get Up Jake". Does anybody know if there'll be a Barnburners CD at any point? I don't get to hear any of the bands up here.

Posted on Tue Oct 31 20:36:34 CET 2000 from m198214178062.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.178.62)

Pehr

Lets see, Sterling Optical...good. Ex-Lax...Bad. associated with JRR somehow. intewesting. now what do you use to cool those G-jets, G-man? say hi to G-Woman, G-boy, (and girl) and the runderdog. continue to fight the evil forces of JRR and the legion of doomed RR fans.In the spirit of Lazlo Toth, fight fight fight!

Posted on Tue Oct 31 20:12:56 CET 2000 from host-67.subnet-75.med.umich.edu (141.214.75.67)

Steven Knowlton

This site shows Rick Danko as the lead singer of "Get Up Jake," but I hear Richard Manuel. Any thoughts?

Posted on Tue Oct 31 20:05:36 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

Another Dylan "greatist hits" collection, "The Essential Bob Dylan", was released today. This is a 2-CD set containing 30 digitally remastered songs. You may have seen ads for this on television recently. Unlike the last couple of similar collections which were available only as import versions, this set is being released domestically in the U.S., but on a limited basis.

Of interest to Band fans, this set includes a "basement tape" version of "Quinn The Eskimo (The Mighty Quinn)" recorded with The Band in July 1967 (previously included in the "Biograph" box set). It should be noted that the recently released "Greatist Hits Vol. II" import collection includes the live version of this song, recorded with The Band at The Isle of Wight. Two other basement tape-era songs included with this set, "I Shall Be Released" and "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere", however, are versions recorded with Happy Traum which were previously released on "Bob Dylan's Greatist Hits Vol. II. Also included is "Forever Young" (slow version) from "Planet Waves" recorded with The Band. This set also includes "Things Have Changed" from the soundtrack to the film "Wonder Boys". Sony has apparently remastered Dylan's entire Columbia recordings catalog recently and songs included in this set reflect improved clarity & detail in sound.

Posted on Tue Oct 31 19:54:58 CET 2000 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

For what it's worth: Jim Weider has no beef whatsoever with Robbie. I even asked him one time, and he said that RR was Levon's thing and that all the other Band members including Garth and Rick didn't have a problem. Jimmy is a wonderful player and a humble player, and he always gives Robbie his due (just check out his first video).

Posted on Tue Oct 31 19:32:28 CET 2000 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Jarp......are you watching the same Jim Weider???? Sterling optical has a special!!! Of course your watching RR in TLW. That was great he was just so natural. Oh, maybe ya watched RR at the RR Hall. He opened the show with Clapton; sure he was cool. I felt bad for him!! With move like that who needs exlax!!

Posted on Tue Oct 31 19:04:55 CET 2000 from (149.160.24.117)

Kockin' Lost John

Benteen: I know it's tough, man. But, just walk towards the light! Walk towards the light!!

Posted on Tue Oct 31 19:00:58 CET 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

Ronnie Earl, for me, is pound for pound, the best blues guitarist out there today (Duke Robillard running neck and neck). I don't recall Ronnie working with Luther on a record before...

What a double dose of good news, Butch - a new Ronnie album and Levon sitting behind the kit to boot. Y'all should book a gig at the Rynborn in Antrim, NH. Luther lives right behind the bar, and I'd bet you could entice him up for a set.

Can't wait for Friday. Stone Coast is a good room - that's where I saw Michelle Shocked last spring, and it's got a good size to it, without losing the intimacy.

matt

Posted on Tue Oct 31 18:59:15 CET 2000 from proxy-1481.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.221.75)

jarp

.....was reading back....I personally think that J.W. was hired for "comic relief".........watching him try to fill RRs shoes is a hoot.....and the more you watch.............the funnier it gets !

Posted on Tue Oct 31 18:41:24 CET 2000 from spider-wc064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.49)

butch

a quick update on Levon's session this week,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, he was asked to play drums on RONNIE EARL'S new record,,,,,,,,with Luther "guitar jr"Johnson, from MUDDY's band, James Cotton & his great piano player DAVID MAXWELL,,,,,,,,,,,, Kim Wilson,,,,,,,,,,Irma Thomas,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Otis Rush,,,,,,,,,,,,, a REAL BLUES MASTERS record,,,,,,,,,, Levon was tickled to be included & he sounds great,,, it will be on TEL-ARC & joe Harley is producing,,,,,,,,,if the 1st three tunes are any indication,,, this will be a MONSTER RECORD,,,,,,,,remember that, in a few months, when its released,,,,,,,,, Then Levon & the BarnBurners head up to Vermont on thursday Portland Maine friday & Boston, saturday,, with Al Kooper joining us, in Boston,,,,,, see ya there,,,,, butch

Posted on Tue Oct 31 18:30:26 CET 2000 from proxy-1481.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.221.75)

jarp

......happy halloween !

Posted on Tue Oct 31 18:00:51 CET 2000 from du-tele3-168.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.168)

Peter Viney

We’ve done the “What if …” discussion on Ry Cooder & Richard Thompson before. My vote on this would be for Ry Cooder. Guitar playing – no problem. Musicology – he’d’ve brought a whole slew of Americana songs from his 70s albums with him, and his knowledge in depth is so good that he finds songs that are both totally obscure and also wonderful. I could see The Band (with Jim Weider as well of course) doing great things with “Teardrops Will Fall” (Richard & Rick & Ry) or “Taxes On the Farmer Feeds us All” (Levon). Writing: well, he’s a film composer not a “song” writer, so he wouldn’t have filled RR’s shoes there. This would have helped harmony though, he wouldn’t have automatically looked like the leader. Singing? Good enough for several solo numbers. His film music and his attention to detail would surely have struck a chord with Garth and potential filmscore collaboration would have been on the cards. He has had enough going for him in film (like Robbie) to mean a parallel career could have continued.

Richard Thompson? Guitar – no problem. Composer – great. And (for me) he was better at writing for other singers (e.g. Linda) than for himself which would have been good for The Band, even though his experience was with women singers. Singing? Problem. His “mock folk” English accent (which to me is a fake accent) grates, and I can’t see how the Englishness of many of his styles and themes would have fitted a North American group, I can hardly see Levon being fascinated by mock Tudor houses in the London suburbs. Cripple Creek, it isn’t. Because he’d be supplying most of the songs, he’d have been replacing Robbie as songwriter, and lead guitar and singing too. Bad for harmony, I suspect. Some of his back catalogue would have fitted, but which ones? Huge talent, but not a good match of talent.

Posted on Tue Oct 31 17:19:40 CET 2000 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Bones-Mattk---PROJECTION!!! No way, beyond that and evolved to the state of decompensation!! Ok, now I'm not goin to see LH and the Ru's this w/e. I'm stayin home and watchin TLW. No comment on you know who!! Maybe, it's time for IDENTIFICATION or INTERNALIZATION!!! Oh, no--can I play ROBBIE in the next movie!! Kiddin. Have a great week!!

Posted on Tue Oct 31 15:36:14 CET 2000 from dialup-105.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.105)

Hank

Well, first of all....The Great Hubert Sumlin played here in Cork last night .....and was WONDERFUL!!!!!......THE Real Deal......he was playing with The Sean Chambers Group and although Chambers is a great guitar-slinger....his opening set went on too long and too loud for most folks there to see Hubert......When Hubert came on the volume was just right (ie not even half as loud) and in fairness to Chambers band, they complimented the old masters playing very well.....Hubert was delighted to be in Ireland and charmed the crowd.....wonderful, simply wonderful.......I met him afterwards with the folks he was travelling with and they all knew The Barnburners and Butch.........(Y'know, y'all are going on about a bottle of Bread.....Y'all SHOULD be wondering about Butchs Brownies!!!!......According to the folks in Huberts entourage....they're FAR more meta4ical allegorical and transmorgraforical than any 'ole Bob Dylan Bottle o' Bread!!!!!!!).........Ya better watch out people, the next thing that's gonna happen is we 're gonna have The Barnburners in Ireland.......and we'll KEEP 'em here!!!!!!.........

I find the whole "guitarist in the Band" thread interesting........but I'm sure everyone would agree Jim Weider does the job very well.......The best thing that Levon, RR, Richard, Rick and Garth did was be a band for great songs.....having been down the road and musical, they got the best out of every song they came up with........"and getting the SONGS together"...as Garth said in TLW.............When it was obvious that RR was NOT gonna record or gig with 'em anymore they really shoulda become backing band to the stars like they were in TLW......D'y'see what I mean?.....make it a THING to back up people.........like Booker T and The MGs do to this day.......I guess they woulda had to have had curb their alcholic/narcotic intake and not worry too much about being "The Band"........Having said THAT......however, I think The Band in The '90ies was pretty funky!!!!!.....Yes, it's sad Rick has left us but wow!!!....They Rocked it up, did GREAT shows all over the shop and put out Jericho and HOTH .........not bad going when you think about it AND they opened for The Dead at Jerry's last show....all this with Jimmy Weider, too.....so give the guy a break!!!!!!!.....

Posted on Tue Oct 31 15:32:29 CET 2000 from spider-wd023.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.158)

Dave ~ drummer

Bayou Sam,

So glad that I could provide some badly needed "drama" to stimulate this GB. Your recap of the script was so compelling, although you have awful spelling (hey...that rhymes).

My band opened for The Band at Club Graffitti in Feb. of 1986. We shared the dressing room with them. After the show, we mingled together for a while until eventually it was Levon,Rick, Richard, myself and some of the guys in my band. . We talked until well past three in the morning, sang songs and killed many,many Rolling Rocks. *** During that time Jimmy Weider had wandered over and Levon said "Jimmy is a fine player and has really been there for us, creatively and spiritually." ***

Three weeks after that magical evening I spent with The Band, I was listening to the radio in my car and heard that Richard hanged himself in his motel room. I nearly wrecked I was so shocked. The conversation I had with him was really upbeat and positive. He was talking about his wife and daughter and how much he loved his home....what a tragedy.

In the next five years, members of The Band passed through town in various configurations. There was Levon and Max Weinberg, Rick and Paul Butterfield, Levon and Rick etc. Each time after the show, we had a great time talking , singing and partying. I'll never forget those times. Yes Bayou Sam I am a little over passionate when it comes to The Band. After all, MFBP was the first LP I ever owned. My band has pretty much dedicated itself to performing covers by them and artists related to them.

Pat Brennan please forgive my error in chronology. You are correct about The Cate Bros. surfacing in 1983 before Jimmy Weider. It's just that, in my minds eye; I picture JW as the permanent replacement for JRR. How about this for a discussion topic : What if that list of names in your article were reality. Ry Cooder, Richard Thompson etc. Discuss amongst yourselves.

Posted on Tue Oct 31 08:52:48 CET 2000 from spider-tf021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.181)

Donna

Bobby Jones,and Lil: Thank you for sharing your personal stories of Rick! Always enjoy hearing about them.

I can not help but smile with the thought that only in here can you find post's on, "Serving Dead Horse's," - "Garth Kicking Garth," and best of all, "Weenie-fied."

We will alway have our disageements, But when all is said and done, the respect that we have for each other, is still there. That must count for something pretty special, huh?

My smile - :O)

Posted on Tue Oct 31 08:36:19 CET 2000 from 1cust188.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.188)

rollie

I can't believe you'd take a swipe at poor Jimmy Wieder like that! Even if he does hate Robbie Robertsons guts,you should cut him a little slack! Ridiculing his songwriting abilities.! Come on you coward! You try writing a song.So what if he trys to rip off all of Robbies licks?And fails!You started this whole thing didn't you Sam?Scorcese is apparently set to do a film on the Honky Tonk Gurus , starring RR as Jim Weider! I can't wait.

Posted on Tue Oct 31 06:56:46 CET 2000 from spider-wa022.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.27)

Bayou Sam

Here's what happened as far as I can tell. Pat Brennan posted about a couple of 1983 articles he found which gave us an interesting look at where the Band members(or at least Levon's) thinking was at at the time with respect to the changes in the Band.... Dave (the drummer) took the opportunity to give Robbie the finger and say Ha-ha, Jim Weider is GREAT. Dave also described JW as if he were RR's DIRECT replacement - and put JW on a pedestal equal to RR with respect to the Band in general..... Pat then pointed out that the Cate brothers were in fact installed between RR and JW......(keep following me people. It took a long time to peice this together)............. Dave then took it VERY personally that Pat should correct his mighty knowledge of the Band history. I'd like to just say to Dave - from one drummer to another - TAKE IT EASY MAN,he (Pat) didn't mean to "insult" you. Go back and read it with an open mind......... I jumped in at this point and suggested that when JW writes some of the brilliant stuff that RR has written, then you will see his name bantered around more. Now - before anyone thinks I'm slamming JW, please go back and read my post...........At this point in the saga, it turned into a Robbie Robertson versus Jim Weider fued. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE HELL IT HAPPENED.It's amazing to see. Go ahead back to Pat Brennans post about finding old clippings in a drawer and watch it unfold. You won't see a better drama on any movie or stage. Nobody ever actually tried to compare the two. My comment was that JW filled RR's guitar playing shoes just fine. I meant that he had a style that complemented the Band's music in the same way that Robbie did, while not sounding like he was trying to copy RR........... You know - we're not sitting around in a room talking-so you can't hear a persons tone of voice, or see if he/she smiles and is joking after they say something. So it's easy to mis-interpert something. I would suggest an overall lightening up by most people before you jump down somebodys throat for something

Knockin' Lost John= everytime you log onto this site you are living in the past. We come here to remember The Band which does not exsist anymore. Hell, I'm a huge Beatles fan and they broke up thirty years ago.

Let me whack the horse a few more times. I'm on a roll...... People talk about Robbie "not being there" for "our boys" (our boys?). Picture this scene if you will. It's the mid seventies and RR feels that he has exhausted his creativity in the framework of the Band - for whatever reason. Maybe some of the other guys in the Band feel the same, and maybe not. So one day RR suggests that they bring the curtain down in a big way - The Last Waltz. Did RR hipnotise the rest of "the boys" into doing it against their will? Did they not go along with the plah with full knowledge that the Band was breaking up? If they didn't like the idea then wouldn't you think they would say to Robbie,"fuck you - get lost - we're getting Jim Weider". I am truly confused as to what RR did to them as far as not being there for them. As far as the songwriting credits go - nobody has proven that RR didn't write what he got credit for. Why didn't the other guys kick and scream when the albums came out and it said ":written by J.R.Robertson..... If any of you "insiders" knows how the whole Last Waltz premise came about and what the feelings were among the other guys - it would be interesting to hear. I like, and greatly admire all of the Band members pretty eqally. I love the music they created as a unit. I hate seeing Robbie get slammed like he's the bastard that rollie said he is :) .... allright - that's enough from me. Have a good day all.

Posted on Tue Oct 31 06:15:23 CET 2000 from pool-63.52.244.151.ipls.grid.net (63.52.244.151)

Bobby Jones

In my morning paper - During this week in 1977 The Last Waltz, the film of the Bands final concert, premiered in New York City. This is a must see for anyone who takes their music serious.(and then it goes on to name the guests). I wonder how many people will be introduced to the music this way?

I went to a club on November 19th 1981 to see Rick play. I think it was called something like Northstage theater and aws located in Glen Cove L.I.. Well.... Rick came out after the warm up group was done made a comment like "What was all that noise" and then started into his set. Rick really was great that night, It was the first time I had heard "Times Like These" and I am still struck by this song. I waited after the show to get a chance to meet the man and found him to be really a fun person. Rick invited a group of us into the dressing room area where he said he was working on learning a new song and asked if we would like to hear it. Of course we said yes and as he was strumming his guitar, Steve Forbert walked out of the attached rest room. Rick said "Hey Steve how does that song go again?" Steve Breaks into Romeos Tune with Rick singing harmony and it was awesome!

Posted on Tue Oct 31 05:22:59 CET 2000 from spider-wj084.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.59)

The Mighty Quinn (actually Bayou Sam)

..... a bottle of bread is what you serve with a cup of meat.

Posted on Tue Oct 31 05:15:09 CET 2000 from m198214190216.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.190.216)

pehr again

Pat B: I know you didn't compare them. I enjoy your posts often, thank you!

Posted on Tue Oct 31 04:22:27 CET 2000 from user-33qtab9.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.169.105)

Pat Brennan

This hardly bears saying, but nowhere did I compare RR with Jim Weider. Others jumped on it and bless 'em all.

One thing I would like to note. This has been an awfully good season for The Band, what with the remasters, the arrival of Port Dover, Old Shoes, the Academy of Outtakes etc. Some keep posting that the Band is over and that we should celebrate what those musicians are doing now rather than dwell on the past. However, with the release of all this fine material, I believe our understanding and appreciation of the group continues to grow. I'm not saying we shouldn't enjoy what our people are doing now. Far from it. But there's still more to learn about their wonderful history, and there always will be.

Let's also recall that Fred Carter Jr. played guitar with The Band after Richard's passing, I believe in tandem with Jim Weider. And, again, the claim on the site that Jim took RR's place in the group for the reunion tour is wrong, as has been well-documented already. I found the Remedy era group more appealing than the reunion tour, although, to my ears, the double drummer thing leadened (?) the rhythm feel. The reunion tour had the same problem, with triple keys and double bass thrown in. I've said it before: I enjoyed the Rick-Richard solo shows and the Rick-Richard-Garth shows, mainly because they played a lot of stuff neither the reunion-era or Remedy era groups bothered with. Of course, the Rick-Levon shows were also wonderful.

Posted on Tue Oct 31 02:01:23 CET 2000 from csiewert.student.princeton.edu (140.180.130.73)

Cam

Terrapin--

The song in that scene of The Last Waltz is "Sip the Wine" from Rick's first solo album. Great song.

Posted on Tue Oct 31 01:50:47 CET 2000 from host-209-214-112-100.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.112.100)

BWNWITennessee

I always thought "Yea! Heavy and a Bottle of Bread" was just nonsensical ramblings. Please don't ruin it for me by having it actually mean something. If there was any meaning at all in the lyrics they chose, I hope that they were so arbitrary and in-the-moment that no analysis could ever reveal any signifacance in them. They were stoned, people! It's like trying to debate "Chest Fever." I think if we start trying to analyze the deeper meaning behind all of the Basement Tapes songs, we're all going to go a little Patricia.

Amanda, good point about Levon mentioning in his book that he said, "Let's not invite Robertson." Doesn't sound like the boys thought they needed him all that much. What bothers me more is why Garth let Richard Bell move into the keyboard solo spot. Jim Weider is okay, but I thought he was a little too generic and uninventive for The Band. He skirted a little too close to Robertson plagiarism sometimes, although I guess it's kind of like walking a tightrope. But you know, kind of like how Joe Grushecky is a poor man's Bruce imitation!

Posted on Tue Oct 31 01:48:21 CET 2000 from m198214190216.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.190.216)

Pehr

D.Lil: Weenie-fied is a word I invented. It is copyrighted under the texas weenie code. please do not copy or redistribute weeniefied or weenie fried or any reasonable facsimile thereof.

MattK: I appreciate your sense of decorum, but Garth does not kick Garth's ass. Garth kicks ass, but not Garth's ass. I can prove this by getting on an ass and going in search of an ass. Then try to dismount...See? not even Garth kicks Garths ass.

Posted on Tue Oct 31 00:40:08 CET 2000 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Mike Nomad

Thanks, Mr. Munson, for those very interesting, memory-jogging tidbits.

Posted on Tue Oct 31 00:35:18 CET 2000 from spider-tj052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.197)

terrapin

I was wondering if anyone can help me with the fragmented song title heard in the "LAST WALTZ" video, when Martin S and Rick Danko were in the studio, sitting at the audio mixer at Big Pink..... The lyrics heard are: "I want to lay myself beside you.....I want to hold you in...." APPRECIATE ANYONE'S HELP!

Posted on Tue Oct 31 00:12:16 CET 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Amanda

Just back from visiting the friendly, helpful folks at the Mudcat Café forum (where I also asked about the meaning of yea, heavy and a bottle of bread) and I got a couple of good suggestions there- someone named Little Hawk said he thought it was a humourous spin-off from Yo Ho Ho and a Bottle of Rum. Someone else suggested that everyone might have been drinking Guiness which apparently there is saying is like drinking bread.

Click webpage above if you'd like to visit the Mudcat café. I'm sure that some of you would find it of interest. Someone over there mentioned being up for a deep and meaningful discussion of the symbolic meanings of the "Clothes Line Saga"!

Posted on Tue Oct 31 00:11:19 CET 2000 from (207.218.245.10)

"Well the comic book and me just us we caught the bus"

Amanda - If you don't have it already you should get Bob Dylans "The Early Years". It's a great book that has some explanations of what is behind some of the songs he wrote. It has some pretty cool pictures too. There is a chapter that is dedicated to The Basement Tapes and what's behind those songs as well. "Yea Heavy and a Bottle of Bread" has always been one of my favorites off the Basement CD. I love listening to all the guys croon on that one!! "Orange Juice Blues" is another goodie... Richard sounds great on that! PEACE ALL!

Posted on Mon Oct 30 23:23:50 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Another thing I forgot: The same issue of "Mojo" closes with Peter Frampton talking about the beginnings of Humble Pie. Seems the first get together, in a parental living room in January '69, had the foursome jamming to Big Pink tunes, especially "Chest Fever" (without organ, presumably). It's interesting that that's what they all had in common - and all wanted to play.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 23:15:10 CET 2000 from grmn-105ppp239.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.239)

Diamond Lil

Pehr: "Weenie-fied"?! What a great word. It's short, but it says it. Wonder what 'Funk' would say about it? :-)

Another autumn night, it's gettin chilly....can't seem to get those words out of my head these days. With darkness falling early, and fall in the air...I guess it brings a bitter-sweet memory of a man who smiled with his eyes and warmed our hearts with his voice. I miss you Rick.

Have a nice night everyone.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 23:07:59 CET 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Amanda

Thanks for comments re. the meaning of yea! heavy and a bottle of bread. I was especially hoping for some Vineyesque insight! That it is unfathomable is also the conclusion that I have reached.

I think it is one of those lyrics that works because it superficially seems like it might have a meaning but that that meaning is submerged. Its power comes from the images it evokes to the listener as they try to get to its meaning.

Unfortunately, as has been observed before I have little poetry in my soul. So the associations that spring to my mind when I hear that phrase are not evocative and interesting like Little Brother's monkey trapped by a coconut because he cannot or will not let go of the seeds, his prize, and all of the meaning that can be read into that. Instead, the phrase makes me think of the hippy character Neil in the Young Ones (one of my favourite British comedy series) going "OH no, heavy! Heavy! Heavy!" whenever things are comically spiralling out of control. He also calls people Bread Heads when they are being, as he sees it, overly materialistic. So, I guess "yea! heavy and a bottle of bread" may say something to me about the burden of material possessions?! Or perhaps it satirises that sort of attitude, or…Ah, my head hurts!! Maybe it really is just unfathomable!

Re. Robbie "letting the boys down" by not going on tour with them: I don't have the reference but I'm pretty sure in Levon's book he mentions that he suggested not inviting Robbie to join them at all.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 22:45:35 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

I forgot to mention that the Jan 22 1970 CKFH chart has an ad for the brown album: "THE BAND... plays THE MUSIC ... on the radio station ... (signed) The Jocks".

Posted on Mon Oct 30 22:41:59 CET 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Several things:

1) Thanks to John D for the note about Ron Scribner. Among other things, he was for the longest time the manager of Little Caesar and the Consuls, though after Robertson had left the group. He was also Ronnie Hawkins' agent for the late '60s and early '70s. He also managed Funkadelic during their early '70s Toronto period, so gets a big credit on the brilliant "America Eats Its Young" (which features contributions from former Robertson cohorts Steve Kennedy and Dianne Brooks).

2) Funkadelic's bassist on that LP, and on "Maggot Brain" I believe, was Torontonian Prakash John, formerly of Domenic Troiano's Mandala / Bush. Nick Jennings' new book about the history of Capitol/EMI in Canada has a nice picture of Robertson and Troiano (who replaced him in the Hawks) chatting backstage at the 1969 Toronto Pop Festival.

3) The same book, which has a couple of pages on the Band, also has a photo of "The Band" onstage (credited to the Michael Ochs collection). Except it's not exactly the Band. Danko, Robertson, an uncredited sax player with long curly hair, and a second guitarist that looks like disco-era Troiano but isn't.

4) I bought "Mojo" for the Band article, which seemed pretty good to me - if not totally accurate. Best part was finally seeing Joe King and the Zaniacs mentioned in print. According to R&B bandleader Frank Motley, Hawkins, Motley and Joe King and the Zaniacs "owned Yonge Street" in the late '50s. Although there are lots of great records by the first two, Joe King and crew got to do only one 45 that I know of - a rocker by Tommy Ambrose with a wimpy b-side. The rocker sounds sort of like Elvis with a clarinet solo where the guitar should be. Oh well.

5) After Cushnie and Robertson left Johnny Rhythm and the Suedes to join Hawkins, Johnny Rhythm had a minor hit with another Elvis-ish number. (It even made it onto a '70s LP of '60s Elvis soundalikes called "The Other Kings".) Then he joined Joe King and the Zaniacs, with whom he performed for much of the rest of the '60s until joining Hawkins around '69. Was part of the mass exodus that became Crowbar, and finally got to do a second 45 in '70, "Jesus, She Is Leaving" as by John Rutter and Crowbar. I mention this because I found a box of CKFH charts last night (CKFH being John Donabie's station at the time - the hippest that AM radio got at the time) and spotted the Rutter record among the short list of three "CKFH Hitbounds". The other two were Edwin Starr's "War" and "Ohio" by CSNY. Guess which of the three wasn't really hitbound?

6) To tie all this back, the inside cover advertisement in the chart is for the great Bush LP. And another veteran of the Yonge Street scene of the early '60s makes his first Canadian chart appearance in 10 years: "Indiana Wants Me" by R. Dean Taylor. You'll never see this in a book, but Taylor's Yonge Street drummer was Jack Posluns, who Robbie Robertson used to go to see in the '50s, playing bongoes at Graham's Park in Pickering. Through the Taylor connection at Motown, Posluns later got to tour with Marvin Gaye and did a session with Shorty Long.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 22:41:50 CET 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

Yeah, well, Garth kicks Garth's ass. After all, Garth was there when Garth really needed him. Anyone who prefers Garth to Garth is a big tone-deaf loser! (and a bitter old corporate rock red neck shill besides).

Posted on Mon Oct 30 22:39:14 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

With the album "Big Foot" Jim Weider displays his fretwork virtuosity. With an all-star cast of sidemen, including the Honky Tonk Gurus, he gets to shine outside the confines of material associated with The Band. For me, the song the really stands out on this CD is "Deepest Cut". Mr. Weider's playing on this song is reminiscent of the style of the late Roy Buchanan. Although it's a slow blues instrumental, he makes the strings cry, moan & sing with emotional intensity. The level of musicianship throughout this CD is superb. I can't wait to hear more from Mr. Weider & the Gurus.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 22:24:27 CET 2000 from spider-mtc-td071.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.181)

bob wigo

It may even be a marbled rye !!

Posted on Mon Oct 30 22:23:12 CET 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

pehr

I think this whole feud thing and jw vs rr is getting very weenie-fied.

more Danko stories!!!!!

Posted on Mon Oct 30 21:58:20 CET 2000 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

Yes- Jim Weider deserves much more ink on this GB!! But why compare him to _ _ ! The Band, sadly, is done!! Fortunately, Jim and Rando are playing and keeping the memory of the Band alive. However, Jim, Rando, Malc, and Jeremy are the Gurus!!! They are NOT The Band. WE go to enjoy their shows and see some really tallented players!! Plus those folks are some class acts, and treat their fans to the 9's!! So let's give credit where it's due--and not compare RR and JW.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 21:55:52 CET 2000 from spider-wn082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.187)

Dave

Peter Viney,

Is it possible that the bottle of bread might be a bottle of RYE as in Rye Whiskey ??? Just a thought.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 21:33:07 CET 2000 from du-tele3-173.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.173)

Peter Viney

Andy Gill describes “Yeah! Heavy & a Bottle of Bread” as bizarrely inconsequential … pure nonsense, its lines knocked together from offhand, random phrases with an instinct for the enigmatic … its meaning is unfathomable.”

I don’t see why we have to take sides for or against Jim Weider and Robbie Robertson, I don’t think they’ve ever been in a feud or a contest with each other. And Pat wasn’t suggesting that either. No one tried to attack Jim, they were just pointing out fair dues to the guy who did write the great majority of the material. Also, Ophelia, on the two 84 tour videos, Jim Weider is not present. And I think the 90s band, with Jim, Randy and Richard B. aboard were vastly superior to the 83/84 tour line-up. Robbie and Jim are both great guitarists, Robbie is also a great songwriter. You’re allowed to appreciate them both. As Knocking Lost John says, Jim Weider has a great band of his own now. I’ll add that Robbie is still making great music too.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 20:31:10 CET 2000 from user-33qtaic.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.170.76)

Pat Brennan

Dave the Drummer, if you could point out how anything I said was wrong, please do.

Ophelia, the Jim Weider website says Jim joined The Band in 1985, not quite two years after the reunion tour. There were eight people on stage during the reunion tour: the four remaining members of the Band and the four members of the Cate Brothers Band.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 19:52:10 CET 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

knocin john, but iwant to stay here, please don't make me come to the present day, please!

Posted on Mon Oct 30 19:27:19 CET 2000 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

Does anyone (with better music industry connections than mine) know how well the reissues did from a sales point of view? I hope they did great so that Warner Bros. will decide to follow suit with The Last Waltz.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 19:16:53 CET 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

In response to Chris Golden's post, here's a brief run-down on The Barn Burners: Chris O'Leary on vocals & harmonica (he can also play some mean slide guitar on songs like Muddy's "Honey Bee"!). Pat O'Shea on guitar, combining solid rhythm grooves with tasty lead licks. Frank Ingrao on stand-up bass -- he locks in with Levon on the rhythm and doesn't let go. Behind the drums, Levon puts on a clinic on how to keep the beat. He plays like a man possessed. Amy Helm comes out, sings a few songs and duets with Chris on several more. Libby & Levon's talented daughter proves that she's got music in her genes.

As for the music they play -- no zippity doodah, just good old gut bucket blues and R&B. Muddy Waters, Willie Dixon, Howlin' Wolf, Big Mama Thornton and such. If you have a chance to go see Levon & The Barn Burners, don't pass it up. You won't regret it and you damn sure won't forget it because it's not often that you get to see a real medicine show like this.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 19:00:53 CET 2000 from (149.160.22.96)

Knockin' Lost John

What's all this about Jim Weider all of a sudden? People, people please! Why are we talking about JW being the "replacement" for RR? Why did someone say "JW fills Robbie's guitar-playing shoes just fine"? Jim can't be filling anybody's shoes in THE BAND anymore cause there is NO BAND!! Jim now plays with his OWN Band, the HOnky Tonk Gurus. And Levon's doin' his thing. Sure, the music of the BAND will Live On Forever!!!! And it will always be THE BEST music around. But THE BAND IS NO MORE. IT's not 1968 anymore, and it ain't even 1983!! For heaven's sake get outa the past and come BACK TO THE FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! John

Posted on Mon Oct 30 18:41:17 CET 2000 from dialup-63.212.139.85.losangeles1.level3.net (63.212.139.85)

Lisa

Great web site. Anyone know if Last Waltz will be released on DVD?

Posted on Mon Oct 30 18:29:13 CET 2000 from spider-mtc-td021.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.156)

bob wigo

Did someone order a dead horse ?

Posted on Mon Oct 30 17:28:33 CET 2000 from spider-to013.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.48)

Harry

Guilty Pleasures - none (as far as music is concerned). Halloween tunes - Bobby "Boris" Pickett & the Crypt Kickers - "Monster Mash". Also, Hank Williams, Sr. - "I'll Never Get out of this World Alive". Halloween - the best night of the year...

Posted on Mon Oct 30 17:02:30 CET 2000 from spider-tq043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.63)

Ophelia

Pat Brennan :

Looks like you need to go to the main page and click on "members" and then Jimmy Weider. It clearly states in the official biography that he was hand - picked to be the replacement guitarist for Robbie. He was on stage with The Band and The Cate Bros. and stayed on as the Full time guitarist for The Band.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 16:51:16 CET 2000 from spider-tq024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.54)

Dave

As an addendum to my last post , I want to make it clear that I have nothing but respect and admiration for JRR's body of work throughout his career. I just do not think he was fair to his band brethern. His decision to stay off the road and cease being a member of the Band is purely his own decision and I respect it as such. It's how he went about it that does not set well with me.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 15:40:57 CET 2000 from spider-tq014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.49)

Dave

Pat Brennan,

Your Band history lesson was not only an exercise in futility it was quite insulting as well. Yes it is a fact that The Cate Brothers Band went out on the road with The Band in the fall of 1983...I was fortunate enough to attend the concert at The Syria Mosque in Pittsburgh nearly 17 years ago to the day. Are you suggesting that Earl Cate was a PERMANENT REPLACEMENT for JRR ? Does that mean that Ron Eoff was Rick Danko's replacement on bass or that Earnie Cate was Richard Manuel's replacement on the keys ? I think not. No; Pat Brennan, I think it was more like a family reunion of sorts than an "official" Band reunion. Boy did those boys have a ball. Levon's nephew Terry made it possible for Levon to take center stage and blow a lot of harp and sing from somewhere other than the drum throne.

Pat, I don't know how you could misunderstand my response to your post as "strange". Maybe something got lost in the translation. I was merely trying to give Jimmy Weider his due. He definitely deserves it. In my opinion as well as many other folks in this GB, Jimmy WAS there when our boys needed him. Yes; I am suggesting that JRR was not there when our boys needed him. Evertone knows that...no matter what reasons he had. The fact still remains that The Band needed a PERMANENT replacement for JRR and they found one in JW.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 15:03:57 CET 2000 from spider-mtc-td024.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.159)

bob wigo

For some reason I keep hearing Curly singing "She was bred in ol' Kentucky but she's just a crumb up here."

Posted on Mon Oct 30 13:38:40 CET 2000 from spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.151)

Ben Turkel

John Donabie, do you know when the new Ronnie Hawkins CD will be released? It sounds like it should be very interesting. Any more info you have on it would be appreciated.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 07:32:30 CET 2000 from spider-ti034.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.189)

Jack The Dog

Im with you sam. whatever B.S. RR has or hasent done you cant take away from his songs. STill id like to here Jim Wieders songwiteing ability.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 06:42:55 CET 2000 from csiewert.student.princeton.edu (140.180.130.73)

Cam

Correction: Another great, thought-provoking Dylan/Band lyric. Since on this message board of all places I should put credit where it's due. :)

Posted on Mon Oct 30 06:20:00 CET 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

brown eyed girl, those lyrics you post, neglect to mention that the native americans were a warrior society and were well known for taking lands by force and murder from other tribes. while i believe a great injustice was done, i think the approach to resolution of this problem, by claiming outright ownership of something the n/a's claim can't be owned is detrimental to the process. r.r. like most song writers, employs soundbytes on historical issues and thus should not be accorded to much significance when one considers a people's plight.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 06:12:37 CET 2000 from csiewert.student.princeton.edu (140.180.130.73)

Cam

Whoops, I guess I have been hearing those lyrics wrong--with regard to my post saying it was "bottle of red". That does bring up some interesting questions...yet another great, thought-provoking Band lyric.

In light of yet another bitter, futile, name-calling argument over who deserves more credit, etc, I was listening to Unfaithful Servant today and the lyrics really hit home.

Life has been good to us all
Even when that sky is raining
To take it like a grain of salt
Is all I can do; it's no one's fault
Makes no difference if we fade away
It's just as it was
It's much too cold for me to stay...

Metaphorically speaking, I think this explicates better than anything I've heard just how much the feud has to do with the music and the simple little miracle that it was made and is still here for us to appreciate. It's just as it was, no matter what, and it always will be.

Okay, that's it for my philosophizing (is that a word?) tonight. Sweet dreams to all.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 05:06:37 CET 2000 from spider-wf081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.199)

Bayou Sam (another drummer)

with all due respect to Jim Weider - when he writes "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down", "Evangelene", and "The Weight", his name will be bantered around more than JRR(the bastard)......and once again - no disrespect to Mr. Weider intended. I think he fills Robbies guitar playing shoes just fine.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 05:03:11 CET 2000 from 2cust116.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.133.244)

Crabgrass

On PBS's Sessions at West 54th a repeat show tonight (NYC Channel 13 at 11PM) of John Mellencamp (Who cares?) and Randy Newman (You should care - and you can see me in this one if you look hard - I was there!). Newman's on in the second half so if you want to prepare a snack you've got half an hour. Simulcast in stereo on FM radio btw.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 05:03:34 CET 2000 from 209-239-210-56.oak.jps.net (209.239.210.56)

Phil

As Pat Brennan quoted from the Chicago articles prior to the '83 reuion tour everybody seems to be cool with the past, present and future. We all know things changed and that's when blame started to appear. If RR had joined in on the reunion and success was lower than expected, do you think members would have become so bitter? At the time ('83) the results would have probably been the same no matter who was playing guitar.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 04:21:11 CET 2000 from user-33qta24.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.168.68)

Pat Brennan

Dave the Drummer, RR was replaced on the reunion tour by the Cate Brothers Band. Jim Weider then replaced the Cate Brothers. And your claim that RR was somehow not there when the boys needed him is kind of strange. It seems obvious from the Levon quote (among many others) that they knew he would not tour again.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 02:48:09 CET 2000 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

paul godfrey

John, Thank you for the Ron Scribner note. It will be interesting to see how he is remembered in Canadian media like the Record & RPM?

Posted on Mon Oct 30 01:57:30 CET 2000 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

Bruce Hornsby has a new official website (simply www.brucehornsby.com) and a great new two-disc live collection. Possibly the most impressive feature of the new website is the list of his guest appearances on other artists' recordings--ranging from Dylan and Robbie Robertson sessions to everyone from Bill Evans to Chaka Khan. The live set ("Here Come the Noisemakers") finally gives those who have never seen Bruce in concert a taste of the wide range of music he can cover within one show, from bluegrass to Gershwin, from Grateful Dead covers to jazz classics--it's all there, framed by the best Bruce has to offer of his own songs. Accordian fans may be disappointed, though, because the booklet cover and one inside shot feature Hornsby holding his, yet there's only a bit of one track featuring the instrument. Bruce says he's a minor league accordianist compared to Garth Hudson, though Hornsby performs a fun, accordian-driven version of "When I Paint My Masterpiece" in many of his shows.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 01:40:27 CET 2000 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

Pardon me Band fans for a moment if I address the Toronto community for a second. Ron Scribner who was an agent for just about every Rock and Roll Band in the 60's, in Toronto, died today at the age of 60 from a heart attack. Ron handled everybody in the heyday of the Hawks. Good old friend of Ronnie Hawkins.

By the way I heard some of Ronnie Hawkins new CD yesterday with Levon and Robbie playing on it (different sessions) and it's the best thing he has ever done. Even Kris Kristofferson lends a vocal. It is produced by Ronnie's son Robin.

Posted on Mon Oct 30 01:08:37 CET 2000 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

".....I don't want your promise

I don't want your whiskey

I don't want your blood on my hands

Only want what belongs to me

I think you thought I was gone

I think you thought that I was dead

You won't admit that you was wrong

Ain't there some shit that should be said....

Making a noise in this world

Making a noise in this world

You can bet your ass

I won't go quietly

Making a noise in this world."

Robbie Robertson (Contact From The Underworld Of Redboy)

Posted on Mon Oct 30 01:05:47 CET 2000 from mat-11-7.enter.net (207.16.159.17)

Little Brøther

Ah, what is more delightful than the smell of baking bread?

You know where this "Yea, Heavy and a Bottle of Bread" thread is going, don't you? Here's where:

bot·tle (btl) n. Abbr. bot.
1.) A receptacle having a narrow neck, usually no handles, and a mouth that can be plugged, corked, or capped.
2.)The quantity that a bottle holds.
3.)A receptacle filled with milk or formula that is fed, as to babies, in place of breast milk.
4.) Informal. Intoxicating liquor: Don't take to the bottle. The practice of drinking large quantities of intoxicating liquor: Her problem is the bottle.
5.) n. attributive. Often used to modify another noun: bottle soda; a bottle recycling program.
6.) v. tr. bot·tled, bot·tling, bot·tles. To place in a bottle. To hold in; restrain: bottled up my emotions.
[Middle English botel, from Old French botele, from Medieval Latin butticula, diminutive of Late Latin buttis, cask.]

bread (brd) n.
1.) A staple food made from flour or meal mixed with other dry and liquid ingredients, usually combined with a leavening agent, and kneaded, shaped into loaves, and baked.
2.) Food in general, regarded as necessary for sustaining life: “If bread is the first necessity of life, recreation is a close second” (Edward Bellamy).
3.) Something that nourishes; sustenance: “My bread shall be the anguish of my mind” (Edmund Spenser).
4.) Means of support; livelihood: earn one's bread.
5.) Slang. Money.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition

Thus, a close reading of the lyrics with reference to meanings #3 and #4 of "bread", and #4 and #5 of "bottle", suggests a dualistic metaphor: Bread is money, the staff of life, contained in the primal vessel of sustenance. Yet it is "heavy"-- another ambiguous term that can mean "burdensome", or "fraught with meaning".

The chain of paradox is further elaborated by the fact that bread in a bottle is not accessible; the twin symbols of sustenance and nurture cancel each other. One is reminded of the monkey traps of the Far East, where a paw-sized hole is drilled in a coconut shell and a fistful of seeds dropped in. The monkey inserts its paw, scoops up the seeds, but can't pull its clenched fist OUT of the hole without releasing the seeds. Which it will not do, and so it is trapped.

Perhaps the bottle of bread symbolizes this tragic foible, implying that it is not confined to the lower primates.

I leave the question of how the bread got IN the bottle to others. It's a crumby thing to do to someone, no matter how you slice it. A toast to Dylan and the Band for evoking this deep and complex metaphor! One doesn't have to be overly-analytical or pedantic to pursue the question-- but it helps.

PS -- I thought some of the nautical historians among us might explore the tangential issue of hardtack packed in casks. While we're waiting for "Mojo" to turn up, that is...

Posted on Sun Oct 29 23:18:40 CET 2000 from spider-tn074.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.79)

Dave [ The Drummer ]

Hey Pat Brennan ~ This is one Band enthusiast that is damn glad JRR's replacement was none other than the GREAT Jimmy Weider. He's not only a true master of the Telecaster, he's one hell of a fine gentleman. Matter of fact, I for one would love to see Jimmy's name bantered about more often in this GB and JRR's less. He sure was there when our boys needed him.

Dave

Posted on Sun Oct 29 22:21:06 CET 2000 from spider-we083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.58)

Bayou Sam

LOL @ rollie

Posted on Sun Oct 29 22:19:59 CET 2000 from host-209-214-116-44.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.116.44)

BWNWITennessee

Hey all you Wolfheads, Los Lobos has a four-CD box set coming out on Nov. 7. Just like The Band, unfortunately a lot of the songs have already been previously released on their previous two-CD compilation, but there's just enough new stuff to make it a necessity for fans. Here's the info -http://www.rhino.com/features/photos/76670photo.html

Posted on Sun Oct 29 20:19:58 CET 2000 from user-33qt88h.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.161.17)

Pat Brennan

While sorting through some rather disorganized drawers, I found two articles of interest. One dated March 13 1983 in the Chicago Sun Times talks about the impending Band reunion tour and lists Ry Cooder, Albert Lee, Paul Barrere, and Richard Thompson as candidates as RR's replacement.

The second article dated a week later and appearing in the Chicago Tribune also notes the possibility of a reunion tour. In it, an interview with Levon about his movie career, Levon offers, "Robbie was one of those who had a bellyful of touring at the time. Since the Last Waltz he has been concentrating of movies mostly. And Garth is a person who likes to work from a notebook sort of level. He's got a lot of music he needs to write and a lot of experiments he needs to do." After extolling Garth's ability to make anyone sound good, Levon says, "But Garth doesn't want to spend all his time touring, while guys like Rick and myself, we've never had it any different nor wanted it any different. It's kind of our way of life now."

Posted on Sun Oct 29 20:02:54 CET 2000 from 209-239-195-240.oak.jps.net (209.239.195.240)

Phil

I've thought "bread" could mean money. Then again, it could mean bread. Which would make it hard to slice or butter if the bottle had a neck.

Posted on Sun Oct 29 18:09:19 CET 2000 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

The only thing that I could find on "Yea! Heavy and a Bottle of Bread" in my "Bob Dylan's Basement Tapes" book was: "On the Basement Tapes you can hear a trace of this displacement - the displacement of the familiar into nowhere - in the way Dylan snaps off a verse in ... "It's a one - track town", he says. "Pack up the meat, sweet, we're headin' out." Against the chopping, hesitating beat of his own acoustic guitar - a beat full of misgiving, even an escapee's remorse - riding the bright highlights of Richard Manuel's piano, ignoring the steady steps of Garth Hudson's organ, a sound that is all longing, like the song's second mind, Dylan doesn't so much sing the line as get it over with. His voice is direct, plain, determined, vaguely bitter - and nearly bored with the action even as it happens........"

Posted on Sun Oct 29 17:58:39 CET 2000 from csiewert.student.princeton.edu (140.180.130.73)

Cam

Amanda--I think it's Yea Heavy and a Bottle of Red.

Love the Landy photo on the main page--I agree with Lil, it just *says* The Band.

Have a great day all!

Posted on Sun Oct 29 16:44:35 CET 2000 from 1cust213.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.213)

rollie

THAT ROBBY! WHAT A BASTARD!

Posted on Sun Oct 29 16:10:46 CET 2000 from spider-wg022.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.27)

Rick Smith

Please excuse the non-Band post, but I attended a concert last Thursday that still has me stunned. Corky Siegel, formerly (and, occasionally, still) of the Siegel-Schwall Band, played a concert for about 25 people in a remote little enclave just south of Dallas that may have been one of the most rewarding musical experiences of my life. He has taken his blues roots, integrated it with a love of classical music, and formed an ensemble called "Chamber Blues."

Having been a Siegel-Schwall fan from way back, I had to go see him when I read on his website he'd be doing a concert within an hour of my house. I'll admit I was skeptical about the Chamber Blues thing, but I knew Corky was a first-class blues pianist and harp player and figured the concert would be interesting, at least. So when one of my students and I arrived on the campus of a small, remote college where Corky and company were presenting a concert to cap a week of residency to find that we were among only about two dozen people to attend the free(!!) and virtually unpromoted concert, we weren't sure what to expect--with only a few cars in the parking lot, we weren't even sure we were at the right place! Well, the virtuoso performance I saw Thursday convinced me we were at about the "rightest" place we could possibly be. Backed by three violins, a cello, and a tabla/percussion player, Corky et al. blew the tiny but appreciative crowd away. They played an inspired, passionate set that ended with all six musicians pounding away simultaneously on Corky's piano! The crowd of 25 sounded more like 2500 as they expressed their appreciation (Band link: Rick was always known for giving any crowd--even the smallest--his best, as did this group). As soon as they finished, the lights came up, the band came down, and Corky et al. took the time to meet and visit with everybody.

By the way, this is a vein Corky's been mining for quite some time, playing along the way with a few "pick up" bands like Seiji Ozawa (with the Chicago, Boston, San Francisco Orchestras and the New York Philharmonic). If my review isn't enough to convince you to see them next time they're in your area, consider this, from NY Times reviewer Harold Schoenberg. "Cheers ran through Philharmonic Hall. The audience didn't merely like it, the audience loved it." And, from the Chicago Tribune, "A resounding triumph."

Band fans, catch this group if they come anywhere near you. Great music by great musicians, often played with humor but always played with emotion and first-class musicianship.

And now, back to the regularly scheduled "Robbie vs. Levon Show."

Posted on Sun Oct 29 14:42:11 CET 2000 from dialup-364.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.108)

HANK

I just read Jon Katzs review of TCLW.........and I must have it.....NOW!!!.......Yes, Folks, I want to hear it ........I mean, I can't begin to tell you how many arguments this would solve amongst the merrie men and women musicians I work with.....this is not to mention the sheer enjoyment of hearing the gig for real anyway........Can anyone help me out here?......I'll refund the price of a tape, mini-disc or CDR to anyone here that can do this.......I'll come over to your place as the sun sets and sing "Twilight" or for Christmas and sing "Christmas Must Be Tonight"......or I promise front row seats the next time I get to NYC and play some club in The Village or The Felt Forum....ANYTHING!!!!! ....

It's about as wet here in Ireland as it was the day Landy took the photos......Great Shot!!!!!....and it looks very cool on the main page of this site........Long May You Run, Jan............

Posted on Sun Oct 29 11:32:59 CET 2000 from nas-235-58.orlando-t.navipath.net (64.20.235.58)

Calm

Jan, beautiful job on the pictures and the text!

To those of you who haven't tried it, go to the home page and click on each of the Band members.

Thank you, Jan!

Posted on Sun Oct 29 08:26:25 CET 2000 from (203.12.221.214)

Nancy

Well, the Landy cover pic has hung around here all day today, leading me to dwell on the image of The Band captured. Some time ago someone mentioned here that the first time he saw The Band anywhere was on SNL (I'm guessing about the show as US television shows are a mystery to me, as are most Aussie shows). The GB person (Rick?) said that he didn't take to The Band at all on first viewing, thinking all of them looked more like escaped convicts rather a group of gifted musicians. Looking at the pic (which I have always loved btw), I have to agree that they do look kinda threatening with their coat collars turned up and their hair wetted down, courtesy of the rain. To me, Garth is the only one who doesn't look like he is sizing you up to decide whether he could knock you down and make a grab for your wallet!

Posted on Sun Oct 29 07:12:14 CET 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Amanda

Nancy- try hitting reload- it worked for me.

For a psychedelic vooodoo themed Halloween I recommend all of Gris Gris by Dr John. For a halloween mix tape, featuring only one song by Dr John, Morgus the Magnificent/the three Ghouls would be a good choice.

BTW I'm too tired(lazy) to scroll back but did anyone mention Strawberry Wine as a possible Band Halloween song? Don't know exactly whats going on in that song but "climbin' up the walls and laughin' in the dark" sounds pretty scary to me! Of course I may be mishearing the words in which case no doubt someone will correct me.

Have just been listening to the Basement Tapes and a question occurred to me- just what is a bottle of bread? Does anyone know?

Posted on Sun Oct 29 04:46:12 CET 2000 from 1cust232.tnt1.north-port.fl.da.uu.net (63.28.178.232)

Frank

Sorry, just had another thought/question. Speaking of the Landy pic, I am happy to say that right above my desk in a spot on the wall that a "normal" person may reserve for his ancestors, I have a framed version of the amazing photo that came on a limited number of "Stage Fright" albums, yeah, as in like, vinyl. Remember how much more "stuff" you got with the albums back then?? It's taken inside what looks to be an old pine paneled cabin in front of some windows beyond which you can see the woods outside (Big Pink??)I loved it so that I married the girl who gave it to me (and still do)

Posted on Sun Oct 29 04:29:33 CET 2000 from spider-we072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.52)

Bayou Sam

I just left the Band chatroom

Posted on Sun Oct 29 04:25:00 CET 2000 from atmax-7-38.enter.net (207.16.154.94)

Little Brøther

I think the classic "Band" photo on the front page is an improvement over the portraits, no offense to Mr. Fleming or his fans.

The multi-pierced friendly guy working the magazine racks at Tower Books says November's "Mojo" probably won't be in for another week or two-- I'll be back.

Did Donovan's "Season of the Witch" get Hallowe'en mention? It's in the top percentile, in my opinion.

Jan, when you and your Little Helpers tweak the site, could you add those helpful (return to) "top of page" or even "bottom of page" buttons to the Guestbook? I usually try to start at the bottom of the page and work up, and it would be nice to be able to jump from one end to the other-- even more so in the Archives! Thanks for your consideration.

Posted on Sun Oct 29 04:22:46 CET 2000 from 1cust232.tnt1.north-port.fl.da.uu.net (63.28.178.232)

Frank

I would like to see Levon at least once while he's down here in Nov. but I'm concerned about whether or not he's singing at this point? Not that I wouldn't want to see him just play drums or mandolin which would be fine. It's just that I don't think I could bear to hear him force out what was always for me, the most wonderful pure "Band sounds" Along with Richard and Rick, they were just plain magic to me.

Also, can anyone tell me who else makes up the Barnburners and is there any significance to Levon's barn that went down to the ground in Woodstock some years back, which was odly prophesized in the lyrics of "King Harvest" (Last year this time, was no joke, My whole barn went up in smoke)which was written years before!! Anyway, I guess I would appreciate any and all input.Thanks

Posted on Sun Oct 29 03:48:03 CET 2000 from user___3.nf.sympatico.ca (209.128.34.3)

Joe

Hallowe'en Music. You've got to be kidding. Have a Creedence theme and lead off with 'Bad Moon Rising'. So went my first high school dance.

Guilty pleasures. Three Dog Night.

My first ebay purchase: Anderson/Danko/Fjeld. Already in heavy rotation.

Also in heavy: John Prine - country duets. Amusing at first, then surreal.

Posted on Sun Oct 29 02:57:04 CEST 2000 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

Halloween songs? My favorite would have to be "Voodoo In My Basement" by the Lovin' Spoonful.

Posted on Sun Oct 29 02:35:25 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-tc014.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.154)

Chris Golden

Hello, everyone. I plan to see Levon's Barn Burners on November 12th in Atlanta. Can anyone tell me the personnel? If you've seen the band during this tour, pass along your impressions. Thanks very much. Chris Golden

Posted on Sun Oct 29 01:17:18 CEST 2000 from scar.iinet.net.au (203.59.210.8)

Nancy

I've seen the Brown album cover pic on the opening page for the first time this morning (Sun 7.10 my time in oz). Now, from what I have gathered from other people, the great Landy pic has been on the site for a day or so, so why have I been seeing the old page during the last 24 hours? I know we are in a time warp but! Has there been a bug in the system or am I losing the plot?

Posted on Sat Oct 28 19:46:37 CEST 2000 from spider-te011.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.176)

Dave Z

Nice pics Mary and Donna... I especially like the one where Levon has both hands raised high with the sticks justed cocked to crash... as Amy smiles between the harmonica and guitar jamming... surrounded in sound... and why do I always read something like "Amy guesting on vocals"... Is it because she feels like an honored guest?... Or they wish to treat her like an honored guest?... Or is this some sort of 2000's bluespeak?... I'm assuming she's a full-fledged Barnburner?... I would love to hear a little more about how this group was put together?...

Posted on Sat Oct 28 17:03:11 CEST 2000 from spider-tf051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.196)

Nowhere Man

Thank-God the Landy photo is back......

Posted on Sat Oct 28 16:25:14 CEST 2000 from pd4b88832.dip.t-dialin.net (212.184.136.50)

Karsten & Steffen

You have a great Site on the net.I have a Link on my Page for the Band thank`s for the Musik Karsten

Posted on Sat Oct 28 15:59:47 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp53.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.53)

Diamond Lil

Jan: Just noticed that you put the classic Landy photo back on the homepage..thought I was in a time warp or something at first. Although I _love_ the Fleming prints ( and say 'good morning' to them everyday here in my livingroom) there is something about that Landy portrait that just _says_ "The Band".

Here's hoping TAH let his 'mom and dad' get some sleep last night :-) Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Sat Oct 28 06:01:25 CEST 2000 from nas-202-141.rochester.navipath.net (64.20.202.141)

Liz

OK spooky ? I was making Dubs of an interview with Rick,( last Feb ) and the tape dubber went dead after the absolute last copy that someone had asked for, the tape is still stuck in the player.....so ..ummmmm Play On ? BTW the wheels are still rolling...........

Posted on Sat Oct 28 05:29:27 CEST 2000 from stk-pm1-44-172.dialup.slip.net (207.171.230.172)

Guenevere

Okay.... I'm pretty sure there is going to have to be a Vol. II for this Halloween mix. ..... (so how about practically the entire Warren Zevon catalog)... but especially a couple really scarey ones off "Excitable Boy"...like "Roland The Headless Thompson Gunner", "Werewolves Of London", or "Excitable Boy" itself ........ ooooooooooooooooooo SCAREY

and don't forget "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead" either!!!

Posted on Sat Oct 28 02:40:21 CEST 2000 from chpxy01-chrtr01.ne.mediaone.net (24.128.190.210)

Stephen

Looking forward to seeing The Barn Burners in Boston.I'd like to say I found Don Pugatch's post great.That's the spirit Don let's dig the music and good times while we can.Life is too short.Accentuate the positive,everything breeds itself.

Posted on Sat Oct 28 02:35:25 CEST 2000 from pc-9-111.mountaincable.net (24.215.9.111)

Tommy Dee

Dear Don, I'd love to take-you-up on your warm invitation to visit, but my company just went tits-up-on-the-pavement, so I'm really strapped for cash. I won't be doin' any traveling for a while. Hope you enjoy the show. AND if you find time to visit my Web Site, I hope you enjoy "The Ride" or "Who Cares How Charlie Parker Died." You might also enjoy "Karla Too" although it's not meant for everybody. "My Letters To Christie" ... well, it's not an easy read. The Links are Real and there are a few hidden rooms, but they're easy to find. Long live the King.

Posted on Sat Oct 28 02:21:28 CEST 2000 from pc-9-111.mountaincable.net (24.215.9.111)

Tommy Dee

Just won bids for Robbie Robertson's "Somewhere Down The Crazy River" PRO-CD-3035 with 2 versions for $2.75 US - AND Robbie's 'self titled' CD (24K Gold UDCD618) for $20.50 US. - I can't wait to get my hands on them. (You gotta love e-Bay) Gotta go. Y'all take care. Robbie is waiting in the car. Seriously, it's nice to be in your company. Other than Daniel Lanois's efforts there's not a lot of good music being produced these days.

Posted on Sat Oct 28 02:05:44 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-115-163.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.115.163)

BWNWITennessee

Howzabout Tom Waits' "Black Wings" or "Murder in the Red Barn"? Or about half the Tom Waits catalog, for that matter. BR5-49's "Knoxville Girl." Lots of Dr. John stuff, "Stroke" off of Anutha Zone is great. I forget the exact lyrics, but it goes something like, "I'll soon be dead/So I'll get out my knife/Cut off my head/And get on with my life". "How Come My Dog Don't Bark When You Come Around" from Goin' Back to New Orleans is good, too. "Get out my double-edged razor/So when I cut you once, you're gonna bleed twice" and "I'm gonna mutilate you, strangulate you, decapitate you/You're head's gonna be singing, 'I ain't got nobody'". And don't forget Warren Zevon's "Roland The Headless Thompson Gunner" and Richard Thompson's (no relation) "I Can't Wake Up To Save My Life."

"Lil' Red Ridin' Hood" is great, it was made famous Sam the Sham and The Pharoahs. I just heard it on the radio recently and was wondering what it was, then found out it's actually a song that we have at work!

Quincy, we've already been there/done that with the movie thing, so all of us codgers here will be whining about it. For the record, my choices, and therefore, naturally, the best choices, were Matthew McConnaghey for Levon, John C. Riley (a la "Perfect Storm") for Garth, Robert DeNiro for Rick. Dustin Hoffman for Robbie? I forget who was Richard.

Posted on Sat Oct 28 01:24:45 CEST 2000 from spider-wi034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.34)

Don (not Doug) Pugatch

First, I want to invite any fans to my house on Nov 12 , 2000 if they are coming to see Levon in Atlanta, no kidding, Southern Hospitality at it's finest. BBQ and Beer and then drive downtown to see the guys. Any one intereseted, just email me for directions. This is not a BS invite, I am sincere, and yes Butch, you can come too, will make a separate plate on the NY Rugs for you. /N On another note, I just finished most to a 1994 Saintsbury 1994 Chardonnay, which I scanned the label and sent the scan to Jan for confirmation. What is bothering me is that we are getting to a point were we are loosing our balance. We are fans, supporters, whatever of the music of The Band. Give me a break, Robbie Vs Levon, Steve Forbert, come on. Hey, if you don't like Robbie, don't listen, don't buy his music, same with Forbert. We have the ultimate decision making, called cash, just don't spend it on one's you do not enjoy. But to get into this BS of "The Feud" or bubamitzers about Steve Forbet (spelling, is that correct my brethern) then give it up. To quote my friend Mr. Powell (sorry David) isn't this about the music. Ok, back to the rest of the Chardonnay. Your Friend Don

Posted on Sat Oct 28 01:02:17 CEST 2000 from spider-we011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.21)

BayouSam

Another good Halloween song could be Boris The Spider by The Who.

THE YANKEES WIN. Three-peat. Congrats Yankees. ... and BTW, they didn't BUY the world series. They did get a few players just like other teams did, and the only one that really made his mark was David Justice(I don't count Sojo because he was gone a short time).

I finally got this MOJO mag with the Beatles cover. The friggin thing cost me eight bucks at Tower Records. I hope it's the best damn magazine I ever read for that price.

Another Halloween song= Hey There Little Red Riding Hood. I forget who did it, but I'm sure one of my friends out there will know.

Posted on Sat Oct 28 00:07:01 CEST 2000 from h24-70-201-65.gv.shawcable.net (24.70.201.65)

Angela/LadyIllusions/SweetSurrender

http://adviceangel3.homepage.com/missing.html The above url is about a man I am looking for who apparently is also in a band so I am spreading the word see if anyone knows anything to help my search. Your band is interesting and do you really get rude messages in here I don't get why anyone would leave those kinda thoughts in here I think your cool

Posted on Fri Oct 27 23:43:10 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

Speaking of the Portland show: being a local, I'll definitely be there. I'd be interested in hooking up with any GB'ers planning to attend. Shoot me an e-mail if interested. \matt

Posted on Fri Oct 27 23:26:06 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

I agree with Bones, G. For someone who purports to dislike someone so much, you mention RR in nearly every post... I think it's called projecting. Anyway, as the bard says..."thou protests too much."

Posted on Fri Oct 27 22:36:33 CEST 2000 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

G-MAN: I have come to the conclusion that you are the greatest Robbie Robertson fan of all time, even if you cannot admit it to yourself. You can't stop posting about him. Seek help (I'm just kidding by the way)!

Posted on Fri Oct 27 22:23:33 CEST 2000 from (207.251.204.133)

G-MAN

I don't believe it!! Just viewed RR's web site----- what a hoot!! Man has no values!! Still livin with Marty and LW. All false images. Will the real RR stand up.

Posted on Fri Oct 27 21:39:25 CEST 2000 from (205.230.10.2)

Bob R

Hey- dont forget Levon & the Barnburners next Friday night at the Stone Coast in Portland Maine--- should be a great show ! I plan on making the trek from Southeastern Mass to Portland----hope to see you there!

Posted on Fri Oct 27 21:28:00 CEST 2000 from (167.167.238.190)

Joe

Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers Anthology: Through the Years http://www.tompetty.com

Posted on Fri Oct 27 21:08:16 CEST 2000 from a6a017.pds.dal.ca (129.173.6.37)

Iain

Hey there, First time to do this (I think). I like your idea Quincy. I can't think of any actors, but with The Band movie, the inevitable album "Songs Inspired by The Band Movie" would follow. I can just see the Backstreet Boys doing their thing...

Posted on Fri Oct 27 21:07:39 CEST 2000 from (206.15.160.247)

Long Distance Operator

Jan: I'm totally in favor of the Brown Album photo for the Band's cover page. I liked the portraits too, but the Landy shot is priceless. It is the quintessential Band photo. Kudos!

Posted on Fri Oct 27 20:47:06 CEST 2000 from spider-tm061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.71)

QUINCY

I WAS THINKING THAT A GREAT TOPIC ON THIS SITE WOULD BE..... THE BAND MOVIE, WHICH ACTORS WE THINK SHOULD PLAY WHO ANY SUGGESTIONS??

Posted on Fri Oct 27 19:54:04 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

Another Halloween song by Screamin' Jay Hawkins -- "Feast Of The Mau Mau". Just follow this simple recipe:

"Cut the fat off the back of a baboon
Boil it down to a pound, get a spoon
Shoot the eyes of a fly flying backwards
Take the jaws and the paws off a coon
Take your time, I ain't lying for good cooking..."

Posted on Fri Oct 27 19:51:39 CEST 2000 from (206.224.31.2)

Little Brøther

I apologize if these tunes have already been recommended for Hallowe'en purposes; a chicken salad sandwich has spared my fingertips, but I don't dare put my greasy palm on the mouse for scrolling purposes. Post first, wash later!

The Hawk's "Who Do You Love" (TLW version preferred);

Randy Newman's "Last Night I Had A Dream". I THINK that's the title. The one with the verse:

Saw a vampire / Saw a ghost
And everybody scared me / But you scared me the most...

Posted on Fri Oct 27 19:49:17 CEST 2000 from host161-123-26-209.utelfla.com (209.26.123.161)

carmen

LDO how about RR's Ghost Dance or Springsteen's Spirits in The Night.

Posted on Fri Oct 27 18:38:50 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-138.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.138)

Peter Viney

LDO (Halloween): I assume that “all the usual things” includes Napoleon XIV (They’re Coming To Take me Away, Ha Ha) and Bobby Boris Pickett (Monster Mash)? Or are those too clichéd?
ZOMBIES: Band performance: “Voodoo Music” from The Japan Tour video, but “I Walk On Gilded Splinters” by Dr John is the real thing.
EERIE: Some recent stuff by Robbie might fit, especially “Twisted Hair” from Music for The Native Americans.
MAD: “Lather” by Jefferson Airplane? I find that pretty spooky.
MURDEROUS: “Murder Mystery”&“The Gift” by The Velvet Underground. Very nasty.
SUICIDAL: “The Bed” & “The Kids” from “Berlin” by Lou Reed
STONES: Let it Bleed, Gimmee Shelter

Posted on Fri Oct 27 18:22:47 CEST 2000 from 56k-la-00-36.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.51)

Dave the Phone Guy

Talkin' 'bout a road trip! Great idea,wish I could make it.Levon Helm fans in Florida could make multiple shows!Come on,let's hear from you Florida area fans.Someone down there must be planning.Here's a chance to hear some great great music a few times all in a few days within the state of Florida.Maybe get a suntan or a hurricane too!

Posted on Fri Oct 27 18:13:26 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-td051.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.171)

Long Distance Operator

Thanks for the Halloween song suggestions, everybody. I think the scariest tune was "Dry Your Eyes". Gives me bad chills.

I've got about 12 minutes left on my Halloween tape. I would love to hear of some other spooky tunes (any artist) that I may have missed. Let the suggestions roll, folks! Much appreciated....-LDO

Posted on Fri Oct 27 18:12:22 CEST 2000 from (207.32.15.130)

Tom Babcock

Have been a Dylan fan since well before the 1966 concerts, and am happy to revisit the past, and hear concerts that I wish I could have afforded to go to at the time. Did download, but "She Belongs To Me" has a glitch at the onset, for some reason. Great concert, and no shouts of Judas yet, sofar as I have listened. Thanks Tom

Posted on Fri Oct 27 17:34:21 CEST 2000 from dialup-097.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.97)

Hank

Band Halloween song?...."Yazoo Street Scandal"....that's pretty spooky.....or else "Dry Yer Eyes" from TLW....D'oh!!!!.......

Posted on Fri Oct 27 17:07:31 CEST 2000 from (207.251.204.133)

G-Man

Hey GB'ers less than a week to get ready for a GB road trip. Levon 11/2-Higher Ground, Winooski, Vt, and Gurus 11/3-Metro, Saratoga Springs, NY. Go Yankees. Have a Great weekend !!

Posted on Fri Oct 27 16:43:17 CEST 2000 from du236-1.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.1.236)

Ilkka

To DON and TOM IZZO - about female harp players: LOUISE HOFFSTEN, go to www.hoffsten.com

Posted on Fri Oct 27 16:15:17 CEST 2000 from well.health.nb.ca (207.179.181.34)

WS Walcott

Band Halloween songs? How about "The Moon Struck One" or "WS Walcott Medicine Show". My first choice was "Long Black Veil" but it was already taken. Come to think of it, "LB Veil" was not an original Band composition. Should it still be included?

Posted on Fri Oct 27 16:15:03 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Thanks for the photos everyone. And Don P, what a wonderful autograph! That one is a real keeper.

Posted on Fri Oct 27 12:35:10 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp53.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.53)

TSaxMan16

Mom,

I am APPALLED! You should be setting a good example for the youth of America! And what do I see when I come into the Guestbook?? TGIFF??? That hurts my young heart!

Juuuuuuuuust kidding, I know what you meant, in fact, you're watching me type this ;-). I do hope that that first F mean FINALLY, cause I'm to young for that other kind of language ;-). Later Guestbook guys :).

TSM16

Posted on Fri Oct 27 12:05:37 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp53.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.53)

Diamond Lil

Mary & Donna: Great Barnburners photos! Thanks for sharing. (Why is it Mary, that even though your back was to the camera..I still know you were smiling? :-)

Have a good day everyone. TGIFF :-)

Posted on Fri Oct 27 07:55:17 CEST 2000 from spider-tm062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.72)

Dave Z

My wife just rented a VHS movie for me today titled POWWOW Highway... real enjoyable, and RR's "Fallen Angel" figures prominantly in the film... "Fire of Love" is also played during closing credits... where Robbie is thanked...

Band Holloween song, huh... how about their cover of Mystery Train?... or "Long Black Veil"?...

Posted on Fri Oct 27 06:04:15 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-119-113.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.119.113)

BWNWITennessee

How about "Who Do You Love"? Seems to be pretty barren soil, though.

Damn Yankees! I guess you can buy anything these days. Over and over again.

Posted on Fri Oct 27 05:04:42 CEST 2000 from spider-wn084.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.189)

Dave [The Drummer]

Hey LDO.... How about "Long Black Veil" ?????

Posted on Fri Oct 27 04:36:58 CEST 2000 from spider-wf081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.199)

tom izzo

Re: Female harp players. Don: The first that comes to mind is Annie Rhines who plays with Paul Rashard (sp?)out of Boston. As good as any guy (myself included). Paul is also an excellent picker in the true Delta tradition. (plays a 30's style "o" National). I also remember that Tracy Nelson blew some harp during her days with Mother Earth back in the mid-late 60's Peace: Tom

Posted on Fri Oct 27 04:30:02 CEST 2000 from h0000f8718e9a.ne.mediaone.net (24.128.16.201)

Long Distance Operator

Greetings. I'm in the process of making a Halloween mixed taped, using appropriate and/or downright spooky tunes. Of course, it starts with "Season Of The Witch", and goes from there. I've incorporated the requisite Black Sabbath offerings; "Sympathy For The Devil"; "I Put A Spell On You"; and most of the obvious ones. Here's my dilemma: I want to include something by The Band, but so far I haven't come up with anything that fits the theme. Anybody out there have any suggestions? I'd love to hear 'em! -LDO

Posted on Fri Oct 27 02:23:39 CEST 2000 from b102-18.blgs.splitrock.net (209.252.130.18)

Jack Straw

Osceola, BINGO.

Posted on Fri Oct 27 02:14:13 CEST 2000 from spider-wo022.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.27)

Don Pugatch

Question, anyone familiar with a Female Harp player? If yes who or with what group.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 22:40:53 CEST 2000 from jan-hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.52.15)

jh

Bill,
Thanks for the corrections to the "...Stones..." lyrics. Hope we got it right now.

I am a little too busy these days to reply to all e-mails and scan all the pics etc. that people send me. Please be patient, ok?

In the spring term I'll have three slav..ehm..students at our little college doing a project on The Band site again, to add more stuff from the paper/tape/video archives and do some much needed modernization around here. Stay tuned (and before you start screaming "no, please leave the site as it is", let me remind you that the last time I had a group of students working on the site, we went from this to this... which evolved into this). Flash and JavaScripts anyone?

Posted on Thu Oct 26 22:32:28 CEST 2000 from (130.195.196.201)

Amanda

Couldn't agree with you more David Powell. I too prefer organic roots music. I had this highlighted when I saw a local Wellington band (the Windy City Strugglers) and a friend of mine who makes electronic music both perform the other night.

The Windy City Strugglers- sometimes referred to as being New Zealand's folk ZZ top- were energetic and human and fun. I particularly enjoyed seeing one of them play a washboard which he has modified by adding a couple of cow bells to it. By contrast I had problems staying awake during my friend's performance- although it wasn't really a performance as such as it was mostly just him hitting a few keys on his computer keyboard. I admit I have never really learned how to appreciate modern electronic music but I could see what he was doing was interesting and carefully composed & not unpleasant- but, for my taste, it just couldn't really compete with the humaness of someone playing a washboard etc.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 22:19:26 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-007.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.7)

Peter Viney

Bones: I think the famous people who make the biggest fuss about people noticing them are those who desparately want to be noticed. I watched Liam Gallagher, stinking of beer and stale urine, blundering about a beach in Majorca, screaming that he didn’t want to be hassled by fans. Most of the Spanish and German sunbathers didn’t have a remote clue who he was, except that he was a foul-smelling, dumb and obnoxious oaf.
Much as I love Van Morrison’s music, I have met several people who have encountered Van both professionally and incidentally. They are unanimous that he’s aggressive and unpleasant (at least most of the time). Also see the Dr John autobiography, Under A Hoodoo moon. I also think that wearing a T-shirt advertising yourself is “naff” in the extreme.
In spite of being of a solidly Robertsonian tendency politically, I never liked that story about him demanding champagne from some poor guy who offered to buy him a drink. I prefer to recall those musicians who have nothing but courtesy and respect for their fans (e.g. Levon, Rick and Garth)– and I think they are the majority.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 22:09:56 CEST 2000 from spider-tm062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.72)

QUINCY

I HAVE TO SAY RICHARDS VOCAL ON LAST OF THE BLACKSMITHS IS GREAT ALSO IN THE NEW MOJO LEVON AND ROBBIES FUED IS JUST LIKE THE ONE THE 60'S GROUP THE RASCALS ARE GOING THROUGH. DIFFERENT MEMORIES OF EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE AND BLAMIMG EACH OTHER. IS HE DONT LOVE YOU AVAILABLE ON ANY CD. THE BAND HAS BEEN FEATURED IN 2 MOJO,S IN A ROW PRETTY GOOD.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 21:59:17 CEST 2000 from m198214181179.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.179)

pehr again

Speaking of Rick's big heart, thanks for sharing those great lyrics to "Change is Good". Really beautiful.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 21:55:36 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp113.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.113)

Diamond Lil

Pehr: Thanks. I appreciate your last post. I wasn't in any way trying to bash Steve Forbert...I know nothing about him as a person...it was just one of those strange, funny moments that I thought it would be nice to share. It could've been _anyone_. It just happened to be Steve Forbert. It was nothing personal.

Am really enjoying this gorgeous weather in upstate NY right now. So are the ladybugs. They are everywhere! And yes...I can connect this to the Band.
" There's a hundred lucky ladybugs landin everywhere I see" :-)

Have a good evening everyone.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 21:38:58 CEST 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Stephen Novick's posting of the lyrics to the b-side caused me to review the lyrics to "The Stones I Throw". I think some minor additions [in square brackets] to one of the verses are in order:

Don't build walls and barricades / So a man can['t] have his say / and barking dogs can't block my way / [From] taking my brother[']s hand / and something makes me want to stand up and do what's right

Posted on Thu Oct 26 21:12:06 CEST 2000 from m198214178184.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.178.184)

pehr

I dont think anyone is judging Steve Forbert, really...I'm not, I just think it's a funny little story and I got a kick out of it. I never really cared for him or Cat Stevens, they just dont rock. It's not that I judge them personally on that. I like the Danko stories that come out there because they illustrate a fellow with such a big warm heart. Very refreshing these days,so much umgawa to sort through with people.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 20:39:11 CEST 2000 from 961014.ahml.lib.il.us (38.231.168.97)

Osceola

Jack Straw: Just curious; is the "somewhere in the middle of Montana" a Merle Haggard reference? Gotta love the Lonesome Fugitive!

Posted on Thu Oct 26 19:20:46 CEST 2000 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

My Van Morrison story: My wife and I were in Lake Como, Italy in 1994, and we were having some drinks right next to Van Morrison and his girlfriend. I went up to speak to him. I was going to bring up Richard and Cahoots,etc. I was very discreet because I knew his reputation with fans. He was naturally unpleasant, and said they were there to get away from people and be unnoticed. I went back to my table having said no more than two words to him.

This is the part that bothers me. He said that he did NOT want to be noticed, and yet while we are all in our coats and ties and dresses in this pretty setting, he comes in with a VAN MORRISON IN CONCERT t-shirt on, acting rude to people. How could he not get noticed??

Posted on Thu Oct 26 18:51:09 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

There's a lot of concern today expressed publicly about "genetically altered" food products. I believe this term also applies to much of today's music products as well. As for me, I prefer a big ole, heaping portion of authentic, organic, roots music from artists such as Levon & The Barn Burners, Jim Weider & The Honky Tonk Gurus, Crowmatix, Johnny Cash, Robbie Fulks, etc.

"Roots rock weirdoes, up from the underground
Starved for a Tele or a B-3, any out-of-fashion sound
Roots rock weirdoes, out of the holes they come
Dressed up like it's 1951."

"Well, they looked the band gear over and they noted with delight
The guitar amp was a Bassman, and the bassman played upright
Then they looked 'round at each other, and they cried, 'We are the best!'
For we like unpopular music, and just look at the way we're dressed!"

(lyrics from "Roots Rock Weirdoes" by Robbie Fulks)

Posted on Thu Oct 26 18:02:55 CEST 2000 from wit-p1a-149.wittenbergnet.net (206.40.103.152)

Ron Shankland

DAve Z,_Yup-I sure like the new Crowmatix cd-excellent rock music for the millenium! Now that the BAnd is defunct we need groups like the Crows and Barnburners/Gurus to keep playing that really good stuff-as opposed to the regular MTV crap(Eminem/Kid Rock etc-yuch!)

Posted on Thu Oct 26 15:30:04 CEST 2000 from dialup-336.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.80)

Hank

With regards to all this meeting idols etc. business......the general rule of thumb should be to remember that the most interesting/appealing thing about ANY person may be their work....and NOT their social skills or personality......having said that tho', I met Rick a few times and he was magic!!!!..there was another story 'round these parts 'bout how Rick put Gregg Allman in the spotlight once at a gig....I thought that was funny as well............

Posted on Thu Oct 26 15:17:56 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

I also have a copy of the "Jubilation" promo CD that Long Distance Operator mentioned. "A Blind Fool's Love" on the promo is the same Allen Toussaint song which appears on the official release under a different title, "You See Me".

Posted on Thu Oct 26 12:30:12 CEST 2000 from gateway.tono.no (212.71.68.22)

Jens Magnus

Well, mr. Viney. Sorry to hear about your Van Morrison-experience. When I saw him in Oslo last friday, the band was playing along seven minutes late. Lights and sound was excellent, and I admit his band wasn't the ultimate, but when Van is singing, who can master his attention towards anything else?

Posted on Thu Oct 26 08:17:55 CEST 2000 from spider-we053.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.43)

D ZZZZ

P.S. Crabby: Unlike the case where a vote for Nader may hurt Gore, a GB vote here-and-there for RR does not hurt The Band... and in fact helps highlight the issues in order to defeat the real enemay of boy bands, plus rally grassroots voting support for at least 3 local community-oriented acts...

Posted on Thu Oct 26 07:47:25 CEST 2000 from spider-te021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.181)

Dave Z

My favorite Cat Stevens song is "Don't Be Shy"... which feels similar to "Change Is Good" for me... Thanks Lil and Jon for initiating that lyric thing... I love the song, and being in the midst of life/career change myself it's kinda my theme song of the moment... Thanks too Lil for sharing that Rick story... Regarding the Peter V late-concert start thread I have a plus experience to share... seeing Bruce around '80... as I was walking in the door right at 8 pm start time... they kick into Born To Run full throttle (no warmup band) as I'm handing my ticket to the guy... I had my beer in the parking lot tailgating and would have liked a late start to hit the john... but it turns out they played for near 4 hours and I sweat that beer out instead and never needed to leave my seat...now I could take or leave Bruce, and was amused at the time by the passion of a transplanted Jersey friend of mine who lived and ate Bruce... but after seeing that live show I realized you can't really compare what's on the records for that band... Later in about '86 I caught Neil Young when he was doing that garage show thing with the bugs wandering around on stage... kinda as an after thought... and right out of the shoot he does as the 2nd song Mr. Soul better than on my record... and I took my kid sister to it for her first concert (yes, she took an interest in her older bros music afterwards)... just awesome!!!... but then Neil did new stuff and all the folks in my section booed him... oh well... I'm done rambling... Anybody got something to say about "Over The Edge"?... I especially like that Restless Islands song and of course the Dead cover (I may have to listen to the Dead's version because that's a pretty good cover)... there's lots of other cool little harmonies and sounds I can't identify right now too...anyway, a while back somebody mentioned the best K. Doherty 4 Dogs & A Hen Band or something CD to get... which title was that again?, and where can it be bought?... I didn't see it offered on either Breeze Hill or CDNOW (Help me out here Hank, I got a bit of the Irish in me and have definitely been away from the Ray too long... or is it Rye?)... OK, really gonna leave now...

Posted on Thu Oct 26 07:22:43 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-117-61.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.117.61)

BWNWITennessee

Emmylou Harris tonight. She did "Love Hurts" as a duet with Buddy Miller. Oh, boy. Like buttah. I did get a "cool shirt" for my Garth - not from Emmylou, though.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 06:45:15 CEST 2000 from 1cust16.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.136.16)

Crabgrass

I totally agree. Many people have gotten an erroneous impression of me in this manner.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 06:26:56 CEST 2000 from spider-ta071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.76)

Bayou Sam

It's always risky to meet someone in person that you like or admire - or idolize. These people are human and could be having a rotten day, or maybe they got some bad food the nite before and just aren't in the mood to smile - and you are the unfortunate recipient of that mood. I just felt like saying that. Goodnite.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 05:55:50 CEST 2000 from nas-202-249.rochester.navipath.net (64.20.202.249)

Child wild

Child wild -child now- how now brown cow,Now how how, hey now YOUR WOODS......... Hi there what the latest thread ?ok Loel George,,,,,the TATTLER, .....ummmmm NO ? HI LIL great posts, people are jumpimg out of windows here in XEROXSVILLE , but other than that we are looking forward to GARTH AND LEVON DRIVIN UP HERE........PLAY ON...mmmmm umm what was oh yeah..... Keep Listening

Posted on Thu Oct 26 05:47:31 CEST 2000 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

It's been weird lately that some of you have been talking about Steve Forbert and Cat Stevens because I have been listening to their music lately..... As far as Forbert is concerned, everyone has a story to tell. I would never judge an artist just because someone else told me not to like them for I'm an independent thinker anyway... I especially like Forbert's songs "Thinkin'" because I do too much of that, "It Isn't Gonna Be That Way", because I can relate very easily to things just not working out no matter what I try to do and "Tonight I Feel So Far Away From Home".

I'm surprised that a lot of people don't know that Cat is part Greek. Listen to "Rubylove" and he'll sing in Greek for you. I wonder if he's playing the bazuki in that song as well? I also always appreciated his concept cd "Foreigner". The last time I stood in line for concert tickets was for Cat Stevens and I was sooooo disappointed that the tickets were sold out quickly!

Posted on Thu Oct 26 04:52:22 CEST 2000 from pc-9-111.mountaincable.net (24.215.9.111)

Tommy Dee

REGARDING STEVE FORBERT: I believe some of his work should be considered as classic. Too bad he didn't know Princess What's Her Name? His Beautiful Diana would have added some class to that funeral.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 04:44:45 CEST 2000 from pc-9-111.mountaincable.net (24.215.9.111)

Tommy Dee

This is a great Web-Site about a great band - "Thee Band" I was looking for a new Link for my Site, when I stumbled upon this Site, and I'm so happy that I did. I mention Robbie in "My Letters To Christie" and I'd like readers to learn more about him, and The Band. This will be my New link in the near future. In my short story "Who Cares How Charlie Parker Died" an allusion of Robbie is also presented - ie "...looking for the perfect note." The Band certainly went searching for the perfect note, and they may well have found it. Tommy Dee, Professor of Smozology.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 04:18:31 CEST 2000 from well.health.nb.ca (207.179.181.34)

WS Walcott

I have a Steve Forbert story. A friend of mine saw him in concert a few years ago. I believe it was an outdoor concert. After the show Steve was walking around with his young son and wife. My friend talked to him for several minutes and he introduced her to his family. She said he was a great guy, so there you go. We should not always be so quick to judge.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 03:35:15 CEST 2000 from spider-to032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.57)

Bayou Sam

... just curious - do we all hate Steve Forbert now because of that one story? maybe he can replace Neil Diamond.

Jack Straw - too bad McCartney's Ram album was ruined for you. It's a great album.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 01:56:30 CEST 2000 from pool-121.ipro.net (206.99.182.136)

Scott L.

Can someone tell me where I can get copies of bootlegs such as Academy of Outtakes and Happy,Happy Birhtday Eric? I just found out about them, and would love to have them. If anyone has any information how I can get them, please send me an e-mail, Thanks.

Posted on Thu Oct 26 01:47:03 CEST 2000 from dnbr-sh5-port7.snet.net (204.60.58.7)

Don Principe

Friends: There will be a jam tomarrow night in Montgomery NY (7/26) at the Airport Inn (845)-457-3833. A group called Overlook Mountain will be playing some oldies, including The Band songs Acadian Driftwood, The Weight, Evangeline, Atlantic City, Mystery Train, and others. Also some Marshall Tucker Band and other "Southern Rock" music. The jam will be from 7:00 to 10:00 PM. Overlook Mt has a harmonica player Sredni Vollmer (who's played with The Band and Bob Dylan) and Larry Packer on fiddle (he was in the Last Waltz and played fiddle in "Acadian Driftwood" and "Evangeline", and a group of musicians who come from the Woodstock area. There is no cover charge for the jam. Day time phone is (845) 457-9384. See you there! LETS GO METS!!!!!

Posted on Thu Oct 26 01:46:00 CEST 2000 from (207.220.61.34)

Peter Shaw

I just mail ordered a copy of "Academy of Outtakes" and the guy I got it from says it is only one disk. Judging from the review on the site, that would seem to be inaccurate. Anyone have any verifying input? Myabe it is one of those sneaky CD cases that looks like one but holds two. "Pretty sneaky sis."

Posted on Wed Oct 25 23:47:32 CEST 2000 from www.incom.net (216.0.107.30)

T. D. Rust

I been listenin' to The Band and playin' their songs on my gui-tar. They got some damn fine music y'all hear? All you gui-tar players: keep playin' this here stuff...

Posted on Wed Oct 25 23:29:07 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp115.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.115)

Diamond Lil

Jon: Thanks for the lyrics..that tune is a hard one to hear for me. And btw.. where you wrote "You can (???) & wait (?)" was deciphered by a friend at work to say "You can pine your life away, let others pass you by". Thanks again Jon. Very much appreciated.

Have a good night everyone.

Posted on Wed Oct 25 21:24:52 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Diamond Lil: You asked about lyrics for Change Is Good...I took a shot at transcribing them. It sure is tough to catch the vocal in some spots but I think I got all but a few lyrics...any corrections welcome. I don't think it's detrimental to the song to suggest that the individual lyrics are less important than the spirit behind them (and Rick may have altered or muffed an occasional word as he recorded the vocal)...I find "Change Is Good" an interesting and quite generous sentiment from someone who had gone through so many unwelcome changes in his life...and a great, great song.

CHANGE IS GOOD

Changes then and changes now, changes what and changes how
Changes this and changes that, changes where the change is at
Change is good

Changes yes and changes no, changes everywhere ya go
Changes right and changes wrong, change is here and change is gone
Change is good

You can change your life, find a new way to go
You can change your world, and you don't even know
Life's a long road, so (???)
Change is good

You can run but you can't hide, from the things you feel inside
You can laugh but you can cry, kiss all your tears goodbye
All you've got to do, is try and try and show
that change is good

Changes high and changes low, changes come and changes go
Changes this and changes that, changes where the change is at
Change is good

You can (???) & wait (?), let others pass you by
You can climb a mountain high, like an eagle in the sky
All you got to do, is try and try and show
that change is good

Change is never gone
Accept it that the past is done
A change is gonna come

Change is never done
Something different has been done
Change is good...

Posted on Wed Oct 25 21:14:29 CEST 2000 from (207.251.204.133)

G-Man

Crabby--I agree, but I'm not goin to talk about------ ---------!!

Posted on Wed Oct 25 20:25:11 CEST 2000 from (149.160.24.117)

Knockin' Lost John

(Not serious about my last post of course)

Posted on Wed Oct 25 20:24:08 CEST 2000 from (149.160.24.117)

Knockin' Lost John

Hey, I was thinking, with all the ladies who love the Band and visit the GB, and with all the guys who love the Band and visit this GB, why not turn the GB into a "Band Blind Date Chat Room"? Or, maybe even turn it into "Levon's Little Pleasures!!" Let me know what the rest of ya'll think!!!

Posted on Wed Oct 25 19:47:08 CEST 2000 from host161-123-26-209.utelfla.com (209.26.123.161)

carmen

Lil, good story! I was a fan of Forbert until now. "

" Forbert played the Tin Angel in Philly the day before Rick and Garth last November. By the way the Rick and Garth tickets were more then the Forbert Show!

Posted on Wed Oct 25 19:45:01 CEST 2000 from webproxy06qfe0.sbi.com (199.67.138.25)

Spence Rosman

I've been a fan of The Band for many years. I've always felt that they were one of the most talented groups of musicians around, and their music does all of their speaking for them. I remember going to see The Last Waltz with a friend some time around 1979-1980. I couldn't get into it at the time, because I didn't know much about The Band back then. If I could turn the clock back to that night, I'd certainly have a newfound and much more appreciative attitude about the film, and everything they were going through at the time. I am a regular road-tripper to Woodstock, and whenever I'm there I feel I'm on hallowed ground. I'd have given anything to see the guys in concert during their heyday. We may have lost Richard and Rick, but the incredible, incomparable music that these five men created will live on forever. As an aside, I'm trying to find a copy of "Across the Great Divide." If anyone knows of a site where I can get one, please let me know. Thanks....

Posted on Wed Oct 25 19:37:52 CEST 2000 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

Hey Crabby! If Robbie had not recorded a solo record, what would all these people in the GB do with themselves? There is a group in here that always say things like that, and yet they can't STOP talking about him. It's like an obsession, and I can't figure it out.

Posted on Wed Oct 25 19:00:39 CEST 2000 from 1cust118.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.142.118)

Crabgrass

Good idea!! It would be fine with me if Robbie Robertson never performed or recorded after The Last Waltz.

Posted on Wed Oct 25 18:59:23 CEST 2000 from h0000f8718e9a.ne.mediaone.net (24.128.16.201)

Long Distance Operator

Howdy fellow Band fanatics!

I just picked up a "Promotional" copy of Jubilation. I never owned the original, but I noticed that the song listings are slightly different. On mine, there is a song called "A Blind Fool's Love" which didn't appear on the actual release. Is this a rare track?

Also, I grabbed the remastered Stage Fright, too. Now, is it true that the original Stage Fright contained a completely alternate mix than the new one? I heard some talk that that was the case, but I'm not sure if it's been substantiated. Any and all info pertaining to the Stage Fright original/remastered controversy is greatly appreciated! You can email me personally, or a group post may be fun, too. Peace! -LDO

Posted on Wed Oct 25 18:30:28 CEST 2000 from csiewert.student.princeton.edu (140.180.130.73)

Cam

Great story, Lil...how could anyone not absolutely love Rick Danko?

Posted on Wed Oct 25 17:38:15 CEST 2000 from m198214176061.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.61)

Pehr

Thanks Lil for another great Danko story, keep em coming! that was a great one!

Posted on Wed Oct 25 16:19:10 CEST 2000 from spider-wc044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.39)

Don Pugatch

With all these guilty pleasure postings, I had a thought, how about bands or groups or individuals who if they never preformed or recorded, that would be fine. Give you a head start, REO Speedwagon, or another or my "favorites" Heart. Hey, Crabby, was going to list "you know Who" but left that openned.

Posted on Wed Oct 25 15:28:19 CEST 2000 from wc1-int2.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.200.230)

WS Walcott

Enjoyed reading Peter Viney's post about performers coming on stage late for a concert. That has always bothered me. It seems like they are conveying the message that "I am so important, you should consider yourself priviledged just to be able to come to my concert". I read that Alice Cooper delayed a concert(when he was in his heyday) for 2 hours because he was watching a hockey game on the tube in the dressing room. I saw him about 10 years ago and there was no such delay. The show started right on time. I don't mind a 10-15 delay, but when it goes beyond 30 minutes it is just unacceptable.

My theory (and I may be wrong) is that a lot of this boils down to maturity. Take the Paul Simon concert for example. Mr. Viney said it started 10 minutes late. I'd have no problem with that. But remember, Simon is an old pro. He knows the score. He is the consumate professional. Excellent sound, lighting, etc. He is still a big name in the music business but he is not a real hot act anymore, not a big star with the kids on MTV. He knows his audience and what they expect. He isn't going to pull that kind of crap. His audience is, for the most part, an older discriminating clientel who have paid top dollar to see a good show. Probably the type of audience that is very selective in which concerts they attend. On the other hand, many young kids will go to whatever concert happens to be around and may not be that fussy in what they hear. No slight on the younger kids. I was exactly the same way. It didn't matter if the band sucked or not. It was usually a good party.

I find many of these bands that pull this stuff chill out when you see them a few years later and they are not such a hot commodity. They come to appreciate their audience a lot more and don't hold them in such contempt. It's a humbling experience that is often well deserved. Brings them down to earth pretty quick.

It's the same with professional athletes. Many, not all, of the young superstars have a real arrogant attitude about them. They don't understand mortality. They think they will hit 50 home runs or score 50 goals a year forever. The veteran athletes are usually the most approachable and accomodating. They have been through it all and don't have anything to prove. They, pardon the pun, know the score.

Well, thats my theory anyway. They just need time to grow up. They have been put on a pedestal and have been given everything they want. When the glory days are over they chill out and come back to earth. It's just too bad they have to find out the hard way.

To quote a line from Phil Collins: "There's no need to be nice on the way up, because your not coming down." If that were only true!

Posted on Wed Oct 25 14:57:44 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-007.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.7)

Peter viney

Roger: I think you might have the Q-DYLAN special collector's edition which ius also in the UK shops righ tnow (ice-blue)? Great mag.

Posted on Wed Oct 25 14:46:56 CEST 2000 from wwwcache5.uce.ac.uk (193.60.131.11)

Roger Woods

My November Mojo has Dylan on the front - a big black and white pic, while Blur appear in a postage stamp sized inset. It sounds like the reciprocal of the cover David Powelldescribes. When Peter first broke the news about this month's issue he described a cover like David's. Anyone else got the Dylan cover?

Roger

Posted on Wed Oct 25 14:44:05 CEST 2000 from spider-tq061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.71)

Linda

sorry for a personal post. To Di, I replied to every mail you have sent. I fwded them too. If you don't receive them , ask your son if he blocked you from receiving mail from me.

Posted on Wed Oct 25 12:26:20 CEST 2000 from du198-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.198)

Ilkka

Paul Simon started his tour in Stockholm. Same clear sound as Peter told from London. And Peter, instead of soundchecking for hours they soundchecked for FIVE MONTHS before the tour (tells the newspaper).

Posted on Wed Oct 25 11:39:46 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp31.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.31)

Diamond Lil

Peter: Hmm...a "certain of our subject matter"....always late? Whoever could _that_ be? I do know that someone had the more than occassional habit of accidentally locking his keys in his car however :-)

I do have to agree that it's very irritating to pay good money for a show and then watch your hair turning gray while waiting for it to start. I remember this happening when I saw Steve Forbert years ago. The show, scheduled for 9, didn't start till about 10:30...and when it did..the man was so full of himself that it was nauseating. I really liked his music at the time, but that experience pretty much turned me off to it after that.

And speaking of Steve Forbert, I was very amused several years later when he was in the crowd at one of Rick's shows. Rick called him up onstage to sing with him (they did "Do you wanna dance?") and then just walked off the stage and left him there. Rick was trying to give him the 'spotlight'..but that's not how Mr.Forbert saw it, as we found out later on when he opened the backstage door and called Rick an "a**h**e". Rick (always with that smile on his face) waved 'goodbye' and closed the door on him....and then kind of shook his head and said "f**kin professionals". A pretty funny moment.

Anyhow...I have to get kids up and on their feet for school here now, so I guess I better shut up. Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Wed Oct 25 10:44:56 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-068.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.68)

Peter Viney

Saw Paul Simon in London last night. The t-shirts indicate that the tour is headed stateside, so do not miss it if you have the remotest chance of getting there. No support act. It started more or less on time (audience delays of about 10 minutes). The man performed for 2 hours 10 minutes. Brilliant lighting. More to the point, one of the best bands I’ve seen were behind him. As well as featuring most of the new album (which was actually better live than on record, a rare thing), he visited some less-frequently played parts of his catalogue – One Man’s ceiling , Old Friends / Bookends, I am a Rock, Homeward Bound, Late in the Evening and a superb version of Pledging My love melted into The Late Great Johnny Ace. (And lots of Graceland / Rhythm of the Saints stuff). Pete Rivard would have been pleased to see banjo prominent on “Hurricane eye”.
You could tell they’d spent hours on soundchecking. Every word was articulated precisely and clearly. Every instrument was cleanly audible. There were great variations in volume from intimately quiet (solo voice, his guitar + cello) to stretching out all guns blazing, but it never passed the point where sound gets muddied and confused bouncing around the hall.

The contrast in quality, professionalism and effort with the last Van Morrison concert I saw, when he was duetting with Linda Gail Lewis, with a fifth-rate plodding semi-pro bar band backing him, no lighting plot and a set about half the length started 40 minutes late (at about the same admission price), was remarkable.

Why do so many singers and bands still think it cool to be very late on stage? I know that in clubs, they’re asked to be at least 30 minutes late to aid beer sales. At festivals with several bands, there were always delays and hassle changing equipment. But outside that? Is there any good reason beyond pathetic ego? I’ve heard musicians say it builds up tension. No way. It builds up resentment and irritation. You get to the gig. Everything is set up on stage, hopefully they’ve soundchecked (often it becomes apparent that either they haven’t, or don’t know how to), but you wait.
Actors, singers in musicals and dancers start dead on time in their stage shows, and often do six nights a week and two matinees. Macey Gray (also brilliant) was about an hour and a quarter or more late earlier in the year. So, any answers from any musicians? I ask this knowing that certain of our subject matter were among the worst offenders!

Posted on Wed Oct 25 08:45:37 CEST 2000 from c1132470-a.iowact1.ia.home.com (24.4.167.252)

Chest Fever

You know, I've been thinking about all the comments on "The Unfaithful Servant," one of my several favorites, in the lyric analysis. You know the whole idea about it having a narrator and all, why they didn't have Richard sing the part: "Goodbye to that country home..." etc.? Well, I'll go out on a limb here. The servant is so torn inside that he must use third person to describe the situation. He can't even accept it. I know I've felt that way before (actually now). "...we're one and the same, just you and me..." Man. It's nice to have a song like that to listen to when you need it.

Posted on Wed Oct 25 06:32:09 CEST 2000 from 1cust202.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.202)

Crabgrass

Thanks to Richard Thompson for a great 2 hour + solo concert on the Princeton Campus last night - and without leaving the stage to boot!! This guy is so good it's scary. Check Pollstar and try to catch him somewhere.

Posted on Wed Oct 25 05:54:56 CEST 2000 from b105-02.blgs.splitrock.net (209.252.130.153)

Jack Straw

I'm happy that some people recognize the talents of Cat Stevens but I'd like to share an ugly side of music that I'm sure other readers also might have (only with other artists I'm sure).

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away (Vietnam) I worked nights in a shop repairing radios to be used the next day in helicopters. We had a cassette player in the shop and the owner of the player owned two cassettes, "Tea for the Tillarman" and Paul McCarney's "Ram". You guessed it. Night after night, hour after hour, song after song, again and again. It got so bad I would put on a headset and listen to gunships work out, night teams calling in artillery strikes ANYTHING.... but I could still hear all those chords and lyrics seeping through. To this day I can't stand to hear anything from either of those two records.

Posted on Wed Oct 25 04:19:40 CEST 2000 from spider-tp084.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.214)

Stephen W Novik

HE DON'T LOVE YOU (and He'll Break Your Heart) He don't love you and he'll break your heart

Just like you're breaking mine

Then he'll take all of your love

And leave you behind

I know the name of his game

Says sweet words like flowing rain

Do you believe that he loves you?

Do you really think that he loves you?

Girl I just want you to know

He don't love you and he'll break your heart

He got money and a big fine car

He'll buy your heart's desire

But pretty soon he'll put you down

Put your feet flat on the ground

Stick with me, stay with me

We'll have love the way it ought to be

Do you believe that he loves you?

Do you really think that he loves you?

Girl I just want to tell you

He don't love you and he'll break your heart

Make you cry telling lies

I hope you'll realize mmmm...

He don't love you and he'll break your heart

Just like a city dude

Then you'll finally find out

He don't care for you

You didn't know which way to go

But like I told you woman long time ago

Do you believe that he loves you?

Do you really think that he loves you?

Oh you can't believe that he loves you

Oh he'll put you down

Put your flat feet on the ground

I hope this gets included.. Last time I tried, I couldn't email Jan.. Thanks!

Posted on Wed Oct 25 02:40:42 CEST 2000 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

Blind Willie McTell

John Donabie

I ordered online from Breeze Hill last Monday. Got my Garth t-shirts today (one short sleeved, one long sleeved). They are great!

Posted on Wed Oct 25 02:05:00 CEST 2000 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

I've read a couple of folks have received their "Garth" T Shirts. I ordered on opening day and was told it could be up to six weeks. I did a phone order and they knew nothing about the shirts; but took it anyway. Hope I get mine soon.

Posted on Wed Oct 25 02:01:20 CEST 2000 from (63.69.40.124)

Just Wonderin'

Someone was looking for the cd set "Across The Great Divide" the other day. I happened across two sets of it at Ebay. This is the official release and not the boot.

Another guilty pleasure if ya'll can stand one more!...Neil Diamond's "Brooklyn Roads". He was a pretty good songwriter in his early years.

Posted on Wed Oct 25 01:03:12 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-117-132.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.117.132)

BWNWITennessee

Hey Lil - I always drink before I post!

Posted on Wed Oct 25 00:54:43 CEST 2000 from 56k-la-01-27.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.90)

Dave the Phone Guy

Crabgrass,

Cat Mother and the All-Night Newsboys were on the same bill with Chicago Transit Authority and Jimi Hendrix Experience.You couldn't forget that show could you?I saw that concert on the west coast, not the Fillmore East.

I thought Jim and the Gurus were really good on the CBS Early Show last Saturday.They play real darn good.As someone else mentioned,they have some kind of charisma.They look like nice guys.

Oct.28 I'll be in Santa Cruz,Ca. for a co-bill featuring Tommy Castro Band and Coco Montoya.Check these guys out when you can if you enjoy Blues and R&B.They're both really good guitar players and vocalists.

I'd rather be taking a Florida vacation in November for the Barnburners! I'm too afraid to travel that far though.Anyone scared of them big jets like me?

Posted on Tue Oct 24 22:21:20 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

It is the November issue of MOJO, with the group Blur on the cover and a small picture of Dylan in the upper left-hand corner. On the positive side, there are some great photos by Elliott Landy of Dylan & The Band that accompany the articles. Also in the magazine is a review of the shows that Dylan played on his recent UK tour complete with photos.

Since others have already commented on this, I won't reignite any flames by elaborating any further, however, I believe one needs to read it in its entirety to get the proper perspective.

Posted on Tue Oct 24 21:50:20 CEST 2000 from m198214178108.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.178.108)

pehr

I'm so sick of the Fued I could peuk.

Posted on Tue Oct 24 21:37:03 CEST 2000 from nemesis.fh.com (207.105.168.109)

Beth Reynolds

I remember the days when I sang and toured with David with great fondness. My warmest regards to Butchie Amiot,Richard Crooks,Curtis,John,Peter,Dick Fegy,Wisor,and of course David.Please feel free to share my email address to any/all of the above. Regards- Beth Reynolds

Posted on Tue Oct 24 21:05:27 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Does anyone have "Nobodies", the Steinar Albrigtsen/Tom Pacheco album with Rick's last harmony on They Can't Touch You Now? If so, I'd like to hear if it's a good album...haven't seen it mentioned here since its release. And how can one get ahold of a copy?

Bones, I believe it's the November issue of Mojo...the issue after the one with the Beatles cover.

Posted on Tue Oct 24 20:54:48 CEST 2000 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

Bill Munson: Thank you for making a Band/Hawks connection to my "guilty pleasures". I'm feeling a lot better about myself.

Is the Oct 2000 issue of Mojo the one we've been discussing? Are The Beatles on the cover? I'm trying to find it.

Posted on Tue Oct 24 20:10:10 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

I should also mention that Garth Hudson plays on Graham Parker's excellent album, "Struck By Lightning", released in 1991.

Posted on Tue Oct 24 19:52:42 CEST 2000 from spider-tk081.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.211)

bob wigo

David,
I couldn't help but think of Graham Parker as well. I saw him do an incredibly animated rendition of "Mercury Poisoning" at the Tower Theater some twenty years back. He clearly had strong feelings about how Mercury treated him and his music. There was venom in his voice.

I always enjoy hearing his "Lady Doctor". Anyone not familiar with his work should check him out.You can visit his site by searching "Squeezing Out Sparks". Enjoy.

Posted on Tue Oct 24 19:29:20 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

Reading Levon's comments about Capitol in MOJO and mattk's posting here about Michelle Shocked's experience with the Mercury label, brings to mind Graham Parker's great song "Mercury Poisoning". Mr. Parker also recorded for Mercury early in his career and was quite unhappy, to say the least, about the experience. Here's an excerpt of his acerbic lyrics, describing the situation:

"No more pretending now, the albatross is dying in its nest
The company is crippling me, the worst trying to ruin the best
Their promotion's so lame
They never could take it to the real ball game
Maybe they think I'm a pet
Well I've got all the diseases
I'm breaking out in sweat, you bet, because
I've got Mercury poisoning
It's fatal and it don't get better
I've got Mercury poisoning
The best kept secret in the west..."

Posted on Tue Oct 24 19:19:58 CEST 2000 from dialup-365.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.109)

Hank

Did I.....uh....miss all the debate prompted by The Dylan "Q" magazine issue and the special on The Band in Mojo magazine?.......was there a debate?.......Can anyone here tell me if RR has EVER uttered ANYTHING about the "feud"?......like, "yes, Levon has every right in the world to be pissed off" or "Excuse me, Levon is all wrong about that because...." ..........What I want to know is, what IS RRs OFFICIAL word on the matter?.....IS there an official word from the man on the matter?......I'd like to know........yeah yeah yeah.....the feud and it's really none of my business, I KNOW that ......but it's SOOOO sad to read Levons words of wisdom on music/song publishing in interviews and see him portrayed as a sad, bitter old cuss while RR is Mr Slick-out-in-Hollywood Dreamworks A&R.......(What RR is, more than anything, is a GREAT Rock'n' Roll guitar player, no more no less...one of the greatest ever, probably..) It IS sad, 'cos today I was doing yet another songwriting workshop for high school kids and showing them The Band from The BBC Classic Albums series (which enjoyed a discussion here recently, I see) and to see Levon talk about making that great music with such passion and joy REALLY rams home how much that music means to him....despite the fact he KNOWS he's been ripped off........phew....hadda git that offa my bellybutton........Anyway.....Theres LOADS more I wanna say about the Q and Mojo articles....ah well,..... later....Damn .....a Subway series...........

Posted on Tue Oct 24 19:09:19 CEST 2000 from 1cust32.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.32)

Crabgrass

Cat Stevens will always be one of the very best post-'60s singer songwriters - a truly original talent. It's unfortunate, however, and very sad to see how his mind has become warped by religious teachings.

Posted on Tue Oct 24 18:23:34 CEST 2000 from ares.tdsb.on.ca (207.164.137.166)

brown eyed girl

My favourite drummers are Gene Crupa, Buddy Rich, Mike Shrieve and Robin from Bush (when Robin plays drums on "Zen" he is entering anothe planet).

Posted on Tue Oct 24 17:48:48 CEST 2000 from ares.tdsb.on.ca (207.164.137.166)

brown eyed girl

Yes, Andy Kim wrote "Rock Me Gently" as well as my favourite song of his "Sugar Sugar". I guess I forgot to give thanks and praises to the Montreal born singer as well as Leonard Cohen before. Paul Anka is also Canadian but was born in Ottawa, Canada and wrote the infamous "My Way". Frank Sinatra of course made this song famous as did Syd Viscious of the Sex Pistols........

Posted on Tue Oct 24 17:21:27 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp212.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.212)

Diamond Lil

"Change is Good" : Is there anyone out there who can hear _all_ the lyrics to this tune? I've been trying, but with only one ear (well..I have 2..but only one works) I'm getting very frustrated. If anyone can post all the lyrics here for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Posted on Tue Oct 24 16:52:24 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-tb032.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.32)

Matt Thebo

Hey there, everyone! I'm glad so many Band fans are alive and kickin' on the web!

Could someone PLEASE e-mail me with the name of the performer/band that Levon was backing on Conan O'Brian last night? They look like a lot of fun. Conan kinda mumbled the name at the end, though, so I have NO clue who they were. Thanks!

Matt

Posted on Tue Oct 24 15:35:02 CEST 2000 from spider-wd073.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.183)

Regina

I know it's the Band board, but is there anyone out there that love's Stevie Nicks's tune SILVER SPRINGS. That song is like the story of my life, and guess what I don't feel the least bit guilty. That's what happens when you love a song so much. I still wish someone would say why The Joyous Lake shut down. Maybe it is a personal issue? Oh well. Also did anyone see Levon on the O'Brian show? If so how was it, and what did he sing and talk about? Or did he just play drums and then wave goodbye like some musical acts do?

Posted on Tue Oct 24 12:59:29 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp209.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.209)

Yikes!

Hmm..sorry bout the typos in that last post. There are some things I don't do well until the coffee kicks in..and typing is certainly one of em. So's making complete sentences at times. I'll try to remember to drink before I post :-)

And a note to the mighty, albeit busy master of the website: If I could _preview_....hinthint :-)

Posted on Tue Oct 24 12:53:40 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp209.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.209)

Diamond Lil

Have a music nostaligia question here. Someone mentioned that Andy Kim was the lead sinegr for The Archies ( I never knew _who_ it was) and I was wondering if that's the same guy who recorded something called "Rock me Gently" (in the early 70's I believe). Thanks if anyone knows.

This "guilty pleasures" thread has reallt brought back some nice memories of music gone by. Thanks again to everyone who posted.

Have a good day everyone. Elsker deg Jan.

Posted on Tue Oct 24 06:19:45 CEST 2000 from spider-wl012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.22)

Bayou Sam

BTW - the VH1 Cat Stevens special that someone mentioned was great. It was interesting to hear his history, and to hear him talk, and see him as he is today. He's a real facinating guy and he sure made some terrific music - didn't he?

Posted on Tue Oct 24 06:11:32 CEST 2000 from spider-wl012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.22)

Bayou Sam

........glad to see Mick Fleetwood mentioned as a good drummer. He's one of those drummers that don't do any flashy Keith Moon stuff, but if you listen he does some really nice subtle things, and he's solid as a rock. Two guys whos names I don't know but I've always thought they did some really nice drumming are whoever drummed for Steve Miller(in the '70's), and for Foreigner.

I got my long sleeve Garth shirt in the mail today - very prompt shipping - and it's very, very, cool.

More "guilty" tunes=(although I don't feel a bit guilty)=

Don't Pull Your Love Out - Hamilton Joe Frank and Reynolds

Ballroom Blitz, Little Willy, and Fox On The Run - The Sweet

Kung Fu Fighting - Carl Douglas

Sweet City Women - The Stampeders

Baby Don'tGet Hooked On Me - Mac Davis

I still like some Neil Diamond too darn it. Solitary Man is a great tune. Cracklin'Rosie just brings back good memories, and, I Am I Said is a great tune.

I think I have an Archies album somewhere.

OK, here is the most embarrasing song for me to admit having gone out and purchased when it came out and I was just a lad....... Afternoon Delight by the Starland Vocal Band..... it was hard to admit that..... I'm not feeling well..... must go........getting weak...........................Bye..

Posted on Tue Oct 24 05:47:47 CEST 2000 from user-33qt874.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.160.228)

Pat Brennan

Although I generally refrain from using the guestbook to update you all on my life--unless it has something to do with the Civil War, of course--I'll be playing at Fitzgerald's in beautiful Berwyn IL on Thursday with a whole passel of singers. I only bring this up because Mavis Staples will be one of the vocalists and she has chosen to perform The Weight. Also appearing will be a string of Chicago performers including the lead guy from Tiny Town, a Subdudes offshoot. The show itself is honoring the release of a book by Dave Hoekstra, a local writer who had a nightlife column in the SunTimes for years, and it will also serve to benefit some organization of which I know nothing.

Posted on Tue Oct 24 05:20:15 CEST 2000 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

"Across the Great Divide" by Barney Hoskyns and "Invisible Republic" by Greil Marcus have both been remaindered in hardcover. Today I bought first editions of both for a combined total of about ten bucks, American. I also spotted the new paperback edition of Levon's book at a Tower store today.

Posted on Tue Oct 24 04:38:31 CEST 2000 from m198214190216.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.190.216)

pehr

thanks Pat Brennan!

Posted on Tue Oct 24 04:25:52 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-td024.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.159)

Bob

Guilty Pleasure - Wilson Phillips

Posted on Tue Oct 24 03:37:57 CEST 2000 from user-33qt82b.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.160.75)

Pat Brennan

Pehr, that's "Africa" by Toto.

The Monkees' "Daydream Believer." Crispian St. Peter's "Pied Piper." Cher's "All I Really Want To Do." The Honeycomb's "Have I The Right?"

Posted on Tue Oct 24 03:28:45 CEST 2000 from spider-wg073.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.53)

Regina

The Michelle Schocked, fan I agree with alot of what you say about her music. I still will always favor the duet she sings with Levon on "The secrect to a long lfe", and I've "come along way" What do you think of her tune "When I grow I wanna be an old Lady" that comes in a very close second. I think that is the correct title, funny as much as I love her tunes I sometimes get the titles confused! And yep your right about the title of her Robert Palmer take off, I love that video.All her video's are good I wish MTV would play them more. Bye everyone!!

Posted on Tue Oct 24 03:18:03 CEST 2000 from nas-203-24.rochester.navipath.net (64.20.203.24)

Liz

pleasure: hidden ? Khasmir Led Zepplin.........hahahahaha Hi folks! haaaaaaa

Posted on Tue Oct 24 01:34:30 CEST 2000 from m198214190216.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.190.216)

pehr again

I dont know if songs one just loves to mock comes under this heading too, but I go wild everytime I hear:

"...There must be some misunderstanding!!!!(owoooo-wooo!)

Posted on Tue Oct 24 01:30:23 CEST 2000 from m198214190216.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.190.216)

Pehr

I love the music I grew up with, early 70's soul and pre- disco stuff. I'm still proud of that music, though I never have had much of it around the house. After that I became a Band nut and my life changed forever. I had a weird Who phase after the Band broke up that got me through more years than I care to admit to here; I dont listen to them at all these days.

oh, here's one. on a drive to the gulf a few years back this song by the 80's corporate rock giant ASIA came on, I dont know what it was called but it's about "The rains down in Africa" and I found myself feeling a guilty pleasure. I dont think I've heard that song but twice in the past few years but if it comes on in a Stop-n-go I often linger around the candy bars a little longer for some stupid reason.

Posted on Tue Oct 24 01:15:59 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-126-66.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.126.66)

BWNWITennessee

Garth Hudson is on my chest!

Posted on Tue Oct 24 01:07:30 CEST 2000 from ts1-23.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.23)

Cupid

Further to what Country boy from Ontario had to say with regard to Stan Rogers.I'd hardly call his work a guilty pleasure and i suspect that wasn't your intent.Another of Stan's tunes[he didn't write this one but does a great run through] should be mandatory listening As well. All of you who work in one of those modern day Iron Maidens called a cubicle will appreciate it.I am of course refering to "White Collar Holler" . Trust me on this one folks...Peace Cupid.

Posted on Tue Oct 24 01:03:31 CEST 2000 from p3e9b813a.dip.t-dialin.net (62.155.129.58)

Charles

Matt: You misunderstood the last paragraph of my posting. Miles Davis (and of course Coltrane, Monk and Mingus) are part of my proud pleasures and so The Band is.

Not only on sunday morning, but Kind of Blue and Birth of the Cool are perfect then. 70`s Miles is more for Satturdaynight. My ironic point was, that people who cannot distinguish Miles from Wynton are guilty in my point of view. Keep Cool - Charles.

Posted on Mon Oct 23 23:28:49 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

Point of order...in listing Miles and Trane in my Sunday Morning CD list (as well as Getz, Shocked, Siberry and Neil Young), I was necessarily differentiating them as NOT guilty pleasures. Just list what I actually DO listen to on Sunday a.m. most weeks.

Posted on Mon Oct 23 23:11:12 CEST 2000 from pc19f6e4a.dip.t-dialin.net (193.159.110.74)

Charles

Concerning the guilty pleasures: I knew Neil Diamond would show up on this subject.

I admit myself to that guilty pleasure as well. Anyone who appreciates good songwriting must appreciate a couple of his compositions. Well I wish he was differently produced and even Beautiful Noise doesnt show his songs in the right light.

Guilty pleasures is a real borderline question: What about Elvis ? I mean the silly movie songs and his later stuff. Can`t help but liking it. There is always this special phrasing in his voice and this magical harmony only the real Elvis has.

May I go on with guilty pleasures: Boney M (Daddy Cool, Sunny, Love for Sale -it is the Cole Porter song-), Lady Marmalade, Car Wash, Stayin Alive - thats for Disco.

Are the Sex Pistols a guilty pleasure? Anarchy in the U.K. for me is one of the three best R `n´ R songs.

What about Prince, Tom Jones or Harry Nilsson - guilty or not?

I don`t want to seem to liberal. If somebody mentions Phil Collins, Bon Jovi or Wynton Marsalis instead of Miles Davis - the person is guilty. At least we all can agree on one BAND here. Peace yo all !

Posted on Mon Oct 23 22:34:36 CEST 2000 from proxy.sjc.netsetter.com (216.34.56.10)

Country Boy from Ontario

After reading the comments about "guilty pleasures" I have one that seems appropriate seeing The Band's diversity in embracing a wide range of musical genre's. Stan Rodger's "The Last of Barrett's Priviteers"...a must listen for you American's that have never heard this man sing. In my mind I can see him with The Band now singing this song...take care and peace be with you

Posted on Mon Oct 23 20:37:10 CEST 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Bones: You can't be uncool just because of those people! Neil Diamond performed with the Band didn't he? And the lead Archie, Andy Kim, sang with Richard on "Tears Are Not Enough". And Elton signed Donny Gerrard to his label - and Donny came from Skylark, which was otherwise Hawks alumni. And England Dan and John Ford had a hit with "You Can't Dance", which was written by Bob Yeomans, who was signed to Ronnie Hawkins Enterprises as a member of the Vendettas. Don't know about Madonna though.

Posted on Mon Oct 23 20:19:32 CEST 2000 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

Some people have listed some really COOL music as their "guilty pleasure". That must say something about my taste. To me, "guilty pleasure" would mean liking people like Neil Diamond, the Archies, new Elton John, John Denver, England Dan and John Ford Coley, and Madonna. Sadly, I own recordings by all of these artists.

Posted on Mon Oct 23 18:32:14 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

For those who are interested, and since Robbie's 90s concerts were discussed here very recently: an RR Live in Italy '95 boot CD has surfaced in these parts. No "I Shall Be Released" on it (darn!)--most (all?) of the tracks are performances of the Music for the Native Americans material. No idea about the sound quality. Generation Records, NYC (& other places).

Posted on Mon Oct 23 17:57:52 CEST 2000 from spider-wo024.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.29)

Don Pugatch

I am going to admit, sitting here at work, yikes, and yes, 3 days in a row wearing my brand new, Garth Hudson Black, sleeve embrodered, front and back and sleeve printed T shirt. So many compliments and when I have to tell the world here who Garth is, all remember his days with The Band. Spread the word, buy a shirt, you won't be disappointed, Next on the list , the long sleeve, but still too warm here for that.

Posted on Mon Oct 23 17:49:27 CEST 2000 from ip76.buffalo11.ny.pub-ip.psi.net (38.26.224.76)

G-MAN

Jim, Rando, Malc, Jeremy, and Butch---way to ROCK CBS !!!! Gurus and Yanks---winin all the time!!!!

Posted on Mon Oct 23 17:38:42 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp88.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.88)

Diamond Lil

KLJ: Cat Stevens...brings back memories here too. Especially "Wild World". My favorite Cat Stevens tune though? "Father and Son". A beautiful tune.

Sigh. Back to the housework now I guess. So what _is_ a "day off" anyway???

Have a good one. Hug Jan.

Posted on Mon Oct 23 16:47:59 CEST 2000 from (149.160.22.66)

Knockin' Lost John

Hello Band friends. Just curious, did anybody catch the Cat Stevens thing on VH-1 a few weeks ago? The song "Moonshadow" is a nice childhood memory of mine, but I never realized how good Cat Stevens' other music was! Does anybody else here like his music? Just curious John

Posted on Mon Oct 23 16:31:56 CEST 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Crabgrass: Larry Packer was the fiddler in the original Cat Mother band, I believe. Two of the other founders, Roy Michaels and Bob Smith, had been members of the Dirty Shames with guitarist Amos Garrett. Before that, Michaels had been in the AuGoGo Singers with Steve Stills and Richie Furay. He'd also been part of the NY folk scene with Cat Mother banjoist, Charlie Chin, who also played on Buffalo Springfield's "Bluebird".

mattk: I can't get any farther than you with the lyrics. But I thinks it's Berkeley - pronounced Barkly.

Posted on Mon Oct 23 16:31:30 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

The Michelle Shocked video in question (a la Robert Palmer's "Addicted to Love"), was for a song called "On the Greener Side." It comes from her second major release (third if you count "Texas Campfire Tapes," which was distributed without her permission, and does not have her endorsement) "Captain Swing."

"Short Sharp Shocked," "Captain Swing," and "Arkansas Traveler," comprise a trilogy of sorts where Shocked explored various types of roots music - folk, texas swing, country/minstrel connections, respectively.

Unfortunately, none of Shocked's first three records are in circulation due to her prolonged and acrimonious split with Mercury Records back in the early 90s. Mercury balked at a fourth "roots" album in which Shocked planned to explore gospel music (ironically, this exact scenario also led to Joan Osborne's split with Mercury - apparently they don't cotton to gospel over at Mercury).

Michelle has since bought back the rights to her music from Mercury, but does not have a distribution deal. She produced a fourth album, "Kind Hearted Woman," which was distributed through Windham Hill. However, that label was eventually bought by one of the big boys (Sony?), at which time, Shocked exercised an option to pull the record and retain rights. Obviously, after her difficult relationship with Mercury, Michelle has no desire to be working in the big label universe anymore - fight the power, sister...

As recently noted, she completed a tour this summer with a new band featuring material produced via her collaboration with Fiancha O'Brien from the Hothouse Flowers. In preperation for a New Years 2000 gig last year, she and O'Brien composed 30 songs in 30 days. The new material reflects a bit of a transformation for Shocked.

For much of her career, her shows were marked with a good degree of anger as she used the stage as something of a pulpit to espouse her views on politics, advocacy for the homeless, etc. Shocked is still very impassioned on stage, but a heightened sense of joy seems to be underlying her work.

As I've said before, for my money (which ain't much, granted), Shocked is the most "Band-like" performer out there today - meaning a mastery of multiple styles, a fascination in exploring American roots music in highly personal way, and though she is the front-person to her group, you always get the feeling that she's is playing with equals on stage.

Personally, I don't know if there is a songwriter working today for whom have more respect. She rules. Period.

matt

Posted on Mon Oct 23 16:30:02 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

I watched the Gurus on the CBS morning show...they sounded great, but have never looked so out of place, bathed in bright lights & sandwiched between "news" segments on albino animals, winter coat fashions, cooking demonstrations, and introduced by the aggressively cheery news anchors charging through it all! On TV, only Big Foot and Sliding Home were shown (cruelly, you heard them playing the final notes of "The Weight" right when the televised segment started). I was enjoying the killer version of Slidin' Home when the anchors started talking over it, then abruptly cut away! Jim talked briefly about wanting to bring back the guitar instrumental as an important musical form...the dimwitted editing of the show makes it clear that he has an uphill battle ahead of him. Great playing though, guys!

Posted on Mon Oct 23 14:39:08 CEST 2000 from spider-wi063.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.48)

bob wigo

Crabby,
I agree. "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow" is definitely not one of the Clintons' best songs. I have enjoyed Bill's cover of "Me and Mrs. Jones" though.

Posted on Mon Oct 23 07:29:55 CEST 2000 from 1cust229.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.136.229)

Crabgrass

Lindsay Buckingham is not underrated by me. Watch the two Fleetwood Mac videos - The Dance and the one from the early '80s if you can find it and you'll see why. And Mick Fleetwood is no slouch as a drummer either. I like the Fleeties - too bad the Clintons ruined "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow" by adopting it several years back - fortunately it's not one of their best songs anyway.

BTW I'm voting Green in case you're interested and I don't give a crap who wins the World Series.

Posted on Mon Oct 23 07:10:27 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-118-50.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.118.50)

BWNWITennessee

W.S. - two things. I saw War in May at a music festival down here in Music City. I thought they were great, very entertaining. I've been meaning to pick up some of their stuff. I don't know any of the band members, but the singer (is that Lee?) was telling lots of stories from the old days, so I guess at least he is an original member. I don't know about the other ones.

Okay, number two (pardon my french) - I once bought a Tin Machine CD for Reeves Gabrels, their guitar player. I have to say, I was a bit disapointed, I thought that he was too clean and controlled for someone playing "outside" music. I love avant-garde stuff and just plain noise, but I think I needs to be done with kind of a sloppy sense of abandon. I also, I hate to admit, kind of enjoy Eddie Van Halen's guitar playing, but I hate his band. I haven't, I'm proud to say, ever bought a Van Halen record, though.

Do any of you jazz people remember Madeline Peyroux? She had a record a few years ago called "Dreamland," she does a spot-on Billie Holiday (actually, a little too close to imitation for my tastes). I was stunned this weekend to find out that she is apparently living in Nashville now, too. Maybe she's just doing an album here, I don't know. But she's playing a regular gig a few miles from my house (alright, apartment). She's a good guitar player, too. So now when y'all come to visit me, I'll take you to see her, then Mandy Barnett, maybe Brazilbilly. Better make reservations soon, the tour is filling up!

Posted on Mon Oct 23 07:04:54 CEST 2000 from p56c-213.wantree.com.au (203.12.222.213)

Nancy

I'm glad Crabgrass' guilty pleasures post isn't too far back, 'cos I want to say that I don't believe he dances around in his pj's like he said he does :)

How about posting some pics to back it up Crabby???

Posted on Mon Oct 23 05:23:47 CEST 2000 from wc1-int2.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.200.230)

WS Walcott

Anybody ever have groups they don't particularly like, but do like one of the groups members because he/she is a talented musician? I have a couple I can think of:

The drummer for Black Oak Arkansas

The bass player for Level 42

Carl Palmer of ELP, great drummer

Eddie Van Halen's guitar work, some of it at least

Hate the Moody Blues but like Grahame Edge's drumming

Ian Paice of Deep Purple, another great drummer

The drummer for Chicago

Why are there so many good drummers in so many bad bands? Just thought of another one, Lindsay Buckingham, very capable and underrated guitarist.

Posted on Mon Oct 23 05:11:20 CEST 2000 from wc1-int2.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.200.230)

WS Walcott

Anybody know if Lee Oskar from War is still around? I thought he was a great harmonica player. Believe he even had his own line of harps at one time. Pretty sure I saw a guy playing an Oskar harp one time. Come to think of it, whatever happened to War? They weren't great, but they sure were good!

Posted on Mon Oct 23 01:03:17 CEST 2000 from sdn-ar-004nypougp314.dialsprint.net (158.252.31.220)

jeremy

...big jim and friends carried in the hammond/leslie, while i parked the van! (thanks big jim!). it was a really enjoyable day, and everyone at cbs was totally helpful and friendly. (for real) and thanks butch, for clearing that up about the sound.

Posted on Sun Oct 22 23:59:22 CEST 2000 from 1cust217.tnt1.topeka.ks.da.uu.net (63.39.63.217)

Dexy

Viney -- I count nine members. I think Stan S. would have been "official," had an album come out b/Islands and Jericho...Sorry I missed The Early Show....Wallflowers' new CD is excellent. There are tribs to Bruce, Petty, sort of to Bob, and a song called I've Been Delivered, which at least evokes our guys in name...(larry king mode)...

Posted on Sun Oct 22 23:06:25 CEST 2000 from mp-217-177-13.daxnet.no (193.217.177.13)

Jens Magnus

Attended a concert friday with Van the Man. He is growing old and kind of squat lately, but he put on an enxcellent show. The band featured Linda Gail Lewis and the red hot Pokers.

He gave us nearly two hours. I was thrilled to hear Bright side of the road and Brown eyed girl, but missed Caravan, though.

I have seen him three times in Norway, and he always puts on a great act, although he looks kind of tired.

No wonder; he has been doing this for more than thirtyfive years now. But his singing is terrific, and Linda Gail Lewis gave him good vocal support.

Posted on Sun Oct 22 20:49:56 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-033.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.33)

Peter Viney

New book alert: C.P. Lee’s “Like a Bullet of Light – The Films of Bob Dylan” (Helter Skelter) is now out, following on from his great survey of the 66 tour, “Like the Night”. Great on “Eat the Document” & “The Last Waltz” let alone the rest.
Warning: it does contain more material indicating that Band tours weren’t actually Boy Scout outings. It also reveals the existence of a 45 minute home film on Super-8 made by Mickey Jones during the 66 tour, and he handed the camera to a roadie when he wanted footage of The Hawks! Another point that comes out of the detailed filmography – seemingly, no one shot the 74 tour. Odd.

Not surprised by Butch’s account of the Guru’s recording. It was ever thus. I think the Beatles made the point about spending hours getting the balance right in the studio, then going down to BBC Radio where the ageing engineer spent a maximum two minutes setting up sound for a broadcast. But as Butch says, these guys KNOW. No way you can tell them. I wish we could see this footage over here in the UK.

Posted on Sun Oct 22 18:50:29 CEST 2000 from spider-wg083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.58)

butch

just a quick note of explanation about the sound on TV, for the GURUS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The UNION runs the sound with an iron fist,, you have NO SAY over the mix, or the levels, usually, the mixing guy is some longtime unionTV sound guy who got the job as a reward for not screwing up for 25 years,,, he never mixed R&R live , except for TV, & ya cant tell him anything,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,with The Band, we used to bribe the guy with cigars &/or swag & he'd let us at least hear the mix, ,,,,,,,,,,,,, but there is just no budget for bribes when you operate independently, like the GURUS do,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so it wasnt the other guys overpowering jimmy,,,,,, it was a bad soundmix & a lazy sound guy, ( i hope he doesnt read the internet, or his kids dont ) i was there live,,,,,,,THEY WERE GREAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trust me,,,,, butch

Posted on Sun Oct 22 18:37:11 CEST 2000 from spider-te063.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.203)

Rick S.

Congratulations to the great Gurus on their CBS taping. Nice comfortable setting for showcasing the band. A great sound. I want to know who carried the organ in?

Posted on Sun Oct 22 17:18:44 CEST 2000 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

When I am feeling angry I like to listen to the following music: Lou Reed's "Dirt" and " Live Take No Prisoners"

Robbie Robertson's "Making A Noise"

Humble Pie's "I Don't Need No Doctor"

Holly McNarland's "Numb", "Elmo" and "The Box"

The Clash's "White Riot",

Marianne Faithfull's "Why D'ya Do It"

Tupac's "Hit 'Em Up" (that's right, I would never say that a whole genre of music is crap - anyone who believes that only shows that they have a closed mind and heart...... Tupac also shows his compassionate side with songs like "Dear Mama" and "Keep Ya Head Up".

Posted on Sun Oct 22 16:21:03 CEST 2000 from spider-wj044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.39)

Robert

Anyone out there that can help me find copies of Academy of Outtakes/Port Dover and some other Band related boots??? Please email as I have a few things to trade.

Posted on Sun Oct 22 13:28:07 CEST 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Thanks Jan for pointing us to "Who Sings What". Saw quite a few errors and omissions though. Is friend Paolo still maintaining this page?

Ilkka: voorlopig niet, misschien andere keer

Posted on Sun Oct 22 06:16:46 CEST 2000 from spider-wb034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.164)

Dave Z

I too caught the Gurus on CBS this morning... and thought they came off real well... I agree with Crabby that the first tune didn't have quite enough sound from Jim's guitar... but the music still sounded good... and I liked how Jim stated what they were trying to do was bring back some guitar oriented dance music... I think the Gurus got some good charisma too (sorry, I've been watching too much VH1 lately)... finally, I continue to enjoy Big Foot and look forward to future CDs... P.S. don't vote for Bush... we need to preserve wilderness areas along with old 1950's guitars...

Posted on Sun Oct 22 03:45:32 CEST 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Amanda

Bashful Bill- In addition to my K-tel muzak version of Bonanza I also have a ska version of it that I occasionally listen to. Unfortunately I do not have Lorne Greene's Ringo & I didn't even know/had forgotten that the Bonanza theme tune had lyrics. Its wonderful the way one learns things from the GB!

I generally like film music & I've often thought its partly the cinematic qualities of the Band's music that appeals to me. This Sunday morning I listened to Guns, Cars and Sitars which is a compilation of songs from Bollywood films including the wonderfully named the Good, the Bad and the Chutney. Also, as my final confession of Sunday morning music preferences, I often listen to the Cantina song from the Star Wars soundtrack especially if I'm making pancakes.

Posted on Sun Oct 22 03:13:22 CEST 2000 from (62.7.249.7)

curly

Love the Band,was wondering can anyone give me some info on the Barnstomers,like latest cd releases, are they available in UK? Keep it live!!! curly

Posted on Sun Oct 22 00:47:20 CEST 2000 from spider-wc021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.26)

Amy Jo & Ray

Jim, Randy, Malcolm, Jeremy --- WAY TO GO !! Glad you're finally gettin' the "National" recognition you guys deserve. Keep up the good work! - To Randy & Butch, we'll be thinking about ya during the game tonight.... Good Luck!!

Posted on Sun Oct 22 00:34:18 CEST 2000 from 2cust92.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.133.220)

Crabgrass

Thanks for the Emmylou tip - she was great on Conan last night singing "Red Dirt Girl" - unlike her spot on Letterman a few weeks back which was marred by a dreadful sound mix and a shortened song.

Thanks to my VCR I caught the Guru's on CBS this morning without having to suffer through the rest of the show and endless commercial breaks - only 1 and 1/5th songs were aired. Quite good though the rest of the band tended to overpower Jim Weider's lead playing. The Tele has a pretty thin sound if you don't use any effects (and Jim doesn't). I look forward to seeing them live though.

BTW my "guilty pleasure" is Chubby Checker - I play "Let's Twist Again" and "The Hucklebuck" every night before going to bed and dance around the living room in my pajamas.

Almost forgot - the Wallflowers are on SNL tonight which is the only reason I would bother to watch it - in fact, I think I'll tape it instead.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 19:47:40 CEST 2000 from spider-wg051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.41)

butch

Jim Weider & Randy Ciarlante & the Honky Tonk Gurus were just on CBS-TV's EARLY SHOW,,,, They played Big Foot, Sliding Home, The Weight, Cissy Strut & New Orleans Boogie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They ROCKED !!!!!!!!!!!! I went down a little early to help out & during the rehearsal soundccheck, the folks from other shows , the jaded stagehands, crew, all came in to listen they fellas TORE IT UP !!!!! Sid McGuiness from The Letterman band played acoustic & it was a GREAT SEGMENT !!!!Of course mr weider isnt known for being a silver-tongue devil, so his interview was "one for the ages " but the music was TORRID !!!!!!!! everyone played great,,,,,,,,many fans/family/friends showed up to support the GURUS,,,,, Kuniko of course, & Mal's lady,,,Frankie Aheart, aka THE MAN,,,,all the way from west pennsylvania,,,,The finns,,,,, LAMONT mr goodvibes,,, Big Jim,,,, stu & his darling wife,,,all the west hurley folks & our loyal friends,,,,ya made the guys feel good, & it looked great on TV, a good crowd,,,,,,,,if ya missed it,,,, it was SMOKIN !!!!!!! way to go Rando & weeeegee & jeremy , Mal & Sid,, ya done us all proud !!!!!

Posted on Sat Oct 21 19:44:00 CEST 2000 from pc51-131.hiof.no (158.36.51.131)

jh

Your guide to lead singers on Band songs:

http://theband.hiof.no/who_sang_what.html

Posted on Sat Oct 21 18:42:57 CEST 2000 from proxy-1541.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.221.115)

Just Wonderin'

Another guilty pleasure 'tho I doubt anyone has ever heard of him...Shoji Tabuchi is a fabulous violinist and or country fiddler.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 18:32:20 CEST 2000 from du107-4.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.4.107)

Ilkka "I'm guilty."

Lil. Got your point. I owe you my confessions. It is ABBA. - What else can I do - listening to their music in the very same classroom where Annifrid once sang the children's rhymes, picking up mushrooms in the same forest with Agnetha, watching unshamesly Benny (and his new wife) in the back mirror of my car, playing the same instrument as Bjorn in his period in The Hootenanny Singers.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 17:52:36 CEST 2000 from (63.88.215.140)

Dominique

This site is really helpful for finding info about The Band. Is there somewhere I can go to find out who sang lead on each song?

Posted on Sat Oct 21 16:59:26 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp201.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.201)

Diamond Lil

Uncle Ilkka :-) : Of course noone should ever feel 'ashamed' of listening to _any_ music. I think the point of "guilty pleasures" was just to name some of the stuff that makes us feel good and isn't generally talked about. It's good for the soul.

And to whoever mentioned "I think I love you" by the Partridge Family...thanks for the smile. Not only do I still have the '45' here, but have also realized that I still know all the words :-)

Posted on Sat Oct 21 16:58:11 CEST 2000 from fe0-0.cache-01.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.0.5)

Gene

Saturday a.m., now playing at Geneville, Harry James, September Song. Next up: Tommy Dorsey with Frankie.

Maybe the eight has to do with notes in the Western scale, as in 'octave' (disregarding incidentals) and double-counting the root tone)?

Posted on Sat Oct 21 16:43:04 CEST 2000 from proxy1-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.64)

Regina

Only Michelle Schoked fans will care, but the name of the duet tune she sings with Levon is "The Secret to a Long life". It was about 1987 or '86' that M. Shocked put out the video that was like the R. Palmer one. It was similar (only visual) to Shania Twain's video. I think it was "The Grass is Greener" yes something along that sound.Anyway it was a good video!

Posted on Sat Oct 21 16:42:37 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-131.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.131)

Peter Viney

DJM: - absolutely right, I personally could have listed material for many series of Classic Albums without hitting Phil Collins – and some reviewers pointed this out. But your suggestion of 12 albums which should have graced the series could generate more posts even than the guilty pleasures thread, so before the rush begins, let’s recall that there are only six per series, not twelve. And Classic Albums series one was:
The Band / Rumours / Graceland / Electric Ladyland / Songs in the Key of Life + “Anthem to Beauty” which broke the rules by combining several Grateful Dead albums.
Series 2 scraped more than one barrel, consisting of The Joshua Tree-U2 / Aja – Steely Dan / Bat Out of hell – Meat Loaf / Who’s Next? – The Who / Catch A Fire – The Wailers & Face Value – Phil Collins.
The format of the show means that they wouldn’t repeat any artist that had gone before, so The Band’s been done. The obvious absent three are The Beatles, Bob Dylan & the Rolling Stones, and in all three cases, I’d imagine that they only do TV programmes if they own the production themselves. There are also production considerations. “Graceland” is as good as any album on the list, but Paul Simon proved to be a dull commentator, I thought. On the other hand, ‘Rumours’ is at the popular end of the spectrum, but was a much more interesting TV show because of all the gossip and scandal, and I don’t think they even went into the unusual duties that one of the roadies is alleged to have had.

So, six albums for a third series. Exclude all the artists in series 1 and 2. No obscure albums, as ‘classics’ have to be pretty successful. And would it make good TV?

What’s Going On – Marvin Gaye
Moondance – Van Morrison. The format usually means they look at the preceeding album at the start, so it’s a better choice than ‘Astral Weeks’, but the grumpy Van probably wouldn’t co-operate!
Volunteers – Jefferson Airplane. Grace Slick is an entertaining raconteur and you’d get to re-use the Altamont footage.
Hunky Dory – David Bowie. You’d get Lou Reed to talk about it (or you’d use ‘Transformer’ or ‘The Velvet Underground & Nico’ and get David Bowie to talk about it.
Sweetheart of The rodeo- the Byrds
Pet Sounds – The Beach Boys. Screamingly obvious + lots of chances to hear different mixes and bits. Actually, I’d call this one “Smile” even though it never existed.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 16:40:39 CEST 2000 from du175-1.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.1.175)

Uncle Ilkka

OH C'MON YOUNG PEOPLE!!! THERE IS NO REASON TO FEEL GUILTY OR ASHAMED OF LISTENING TO THE MUSIC - OF ANY KIND!!

Sorry, I just took my Nitro and will calm down...the old ticker you know... BTW Have you (Pat Brennan, David Powell and other guitar players) ever listened to "Mr. Bojangles" and "The night they drove old Dixie down" at the same time? They have much in common - for sure, they are Southern songs both. - Ragtime, is er post voor mij?

Posted on Sat Oct 21 15:43:58 CEST 2000 from ucs222.surrey.ac.uk (131.227.101.17)

DJMitchison

There's nothing to be ashamed about liking "Sail On Sailor" - it's a tremendous song, and the Beach Boys' "Holland" is an outstanding album...

I'm not convinced, however, that by the second series of "Classic Albums" there was any need to scrape the barrel so far as to scoop up Phil Collins. I'm sure any one of us here could list twelve or more genuine classics without too much thought.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 15:39:29 CEST 2000 from p56c-213.wantree.com.au (203.12.222.213)

Nancy

I could be way wrong here, but I thought the Robert Palmer take off was done by Shania Twain. She sashayed in front of a group of hot looking male dancers in protest against the film clip that Palmer made which featured equally gorgeous women.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 15:31:50 CEST 2000 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

Sunday Morning CDS: Chet Baker, Coltrane, Miles Davis, Van Morrison, Bob Marley and Robbie Robertson any time of day....

Posted on Sat Oct 21 15:08:13 CEST 2000 from dialup82.tnjac.usit.net (216.80.209.210)

rob

My wife found a pink piggy bank with this stamped on it. The Band High on the hog Pyramid Records Anyone know anything about this pig? We were thinking about selling it but we happen to be The Band fans as well!! So it will be very difficult to part with it. Thanks for any info you might be able to help us with.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 15:04:31 CEST 2000 from proxy1-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.64)

Regina

Alright Mattk, yes the Michelle Schocked-Arkansa Traveler, has some of the best tunes on it. How about The quickest Way To Go Home, Levon, yes Helm sings on that tune with her. And I love that song of hers I've Come A Long Way, also When I Grow Up I Wanna Be An Old Lady,and of course the one she had a MTV video put to it's music, Romeo Honey or something like that.The video did a Robert Palmer takeoff, but with her singing in front of some hot looking guys dancing, Oh well I forgot the name of that one. Point is, she is Good!!. Archies-Sugar Sugar, now I don't like that one but boy that is a guilty one to end all guilty ones. But really now let's get back to the Band. Does anyone know why "The Joyous Lake" closed down?And what Woodstock cafe or venue will the Barnburners be playing at?

Posted on Sat Oct 21 14:05:29 CEST 2000 from spider-we031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.31)

Mike

One or two guilty pleasures before I head off to work: I have listened to The Bangles from time to time (Manic Monday, December Gurls, etc.) Also The Cars, if they're the one who did the one about "Who's Gonna Drive Her Home?" I assure you...there are others. Have a nice Saturday. (No one ever heard Rick do any Roy Orbison, huh?)

Also,I picked up a copy of "The Joint," from The Band's show in Las Vegas (1996?) Great show. Has a good version of "Youngblood." Question? Is that Garth on the fourth "Lookee there"? I thought I'd heard that before, but I'm not sure. Anyone?

Posted on Sat Oct 21 13:56:22 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-111.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.111)

Peter Viney

jcf: In Pepote Rouge, Robbie refers to the golden spaceship and the Queen of avatars returning to the stars, which reminded me of Chariots of The Gods, which is quasi-s.f.
Rumours was in series one of Classic albums (with the Band & Graceland) while Phil Collins was in series two. Second choice, though series two also contained “Catch a fire” which was worthy of being in the first series.

Mysteries of 8. If we ignore the short sojurns by the likes of Blondie Chaplin, Fred carter and Billy Preston, there have been eight “full members” of The Band, the eight listed as “The Band” on sleeves, the original five plus Richard Bell, Jim Weider & Randy Ciarlante. This is a wild guess!

Posted on Sat Oct 21 13:22:20 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp194.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.194)

Diamond Lil

Dave Z & Miwa: Hmmm...the numbers on the back of the Garth Hudson shirts have me guessing too. At first I was thinking perhaps it's like a scale..8 notes...up and down...but maybe that's too obvious? Or perhaps they were put there for the sole purpose of saving Dave Z from the little ninjas? ( That was a great post Dave!) Anyone have any clue?

Thanks to everyone who responded to the "guilty pleasure" thread. A fun and much needed breath of fresh air I think. There is someone who hasn't posted yet however. Ok Jan..it's your turn to come clean now :-)

Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 09:20:28 CEST 2000 from spider-wo044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.39)

mattk

Sunday Morning CDs...

- Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
- John Coltrane/Johnny Hartman
- Stan Getz - The Bossa Nova (the Joao Gilberto rules)
- Neil Young - Comes a Time
- Jane Siberry - Bound by the Beauty
- Michelle Shocked - Arkansas Traveler
- T-Bone Walker - The Complete Imperial Recordings (double CD)

There's a few more in lighter rotation and Peter Schicle's (aka "PDQ Bach" though i know I'm spelling that wrong) program air's at 11 a.m. every sunday here and I never miss a program. After that, we graduate to less contemplative and more motivational music. Of late, that's been the "Best of Guitar Slim" CD that Fantasy has begun distributing.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 08:06:21 CEST 2000 from spider-tr072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.207)

Bashful Bill

Thanks to Donna from PA I just watched Emmy Lou Harris on Conan. She played the best song from her new album, now that beautiful lady has reinvented herself almost completely over the last few years. ..Rick Kenworthy, it's great to see that someone else appreciates the early Boz Scaggs albums...Amanda, is the Lorne Green song "Ringo" on that western themes album? I once owned an album where Green sang this tune, which actually made the charts back in 67 or 68 or 69, and sang the Bonanza theme complete with lyrics!

Posted on Sat Oct 21 07:02:29 CEST 2000 from 3cust245.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.135.245)

Crabgrass

I never cared for the Beach Boys except for their early pre-Beatle car songs but "Sail On Sailor" is probably their best '70s song - and later Beach Boy member Blondie Chaplin sang the lead vocal. When Blondie subsequently played clubs with Richard and Rick in the late '70s "Sail On Sailor" was always included and clearly one of the highlights of their set.

I recall reading somewhere recently that ace upstate bluegrass fiddler Jay Unger was one of the original members of Cat Mother and the All Night Newsboys. I saw them once on a bill at the Fillmore East but can't recall much except for the name which I think is really good.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 06:58:27 CEST 2000 from c5300-2-ip68.albany.thebiz.net (216.238.225.68)

miwa

JAN - Welcome home! Hope you had a nice trip to Switzerland.

I just realized that when I wished you a Happy Birthday, I had neglected to tell you how excited I was to read about the award you won for this wonderful Band site. So...... Congratulations, Dear Jan, from everybody here@home!!! You truly deserve it!

Do you have your own Garth Hudson "Profile" shirt yet? What are the numbers all about?

Posted on Sat Oct 21 06:14:29 CEST 2000 from spider-tp071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.206)

jcf

Rumors did make the classic albums t.v. series, but so did a Phil collins album (Face value or No Jacket Required).. Changing subjects, I think there might be a Band science fiction link. One of Robbie's early bands was Robbie and the Robots. Dating from about the same time is a classic s.f., or quasi science fiction. film, Forbidden Planet. In that movie was Robbie the Robot. Does anyone know if robbie was a s.f. fan? Is there a connection?.... In resposnding please note that science fictions fan prefer the "s.f." abbreviation to the "sci fi" one

Posted on Sat Oct 21 05:43:41 CEST 2000 from spider-wa031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.31)

Bayou Sam

Build Me Up Buttercup by The Foundations - great song Lil

Rick K - Car Wash was by Rose Royce I think

Her are some from me=

I Think I Love You-Partridge Family

I Who Have Nothing, She's A Lady, etc.-Tom Jones

I Believe In Miracles-Wild Cherry

Convoy-C.W. McCall

3 or 4 Carpenters tunes

Play That Funky Music White Boy-?

Mr. Bassman-Johnny Cymbal

Flowers On The Wall-The Statler Brothers

Delta Dawn- Helen Reddy (Ready?)

.............I could go on....

Posted on Sat Oct 21 05:35:52 CEST 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Amanda

Did someone call on the Napster debate team?! Juuuusst kidding!

Some music I feel slightly sheepish when I'm caught listening to it: country music in general especially Dolly Parton (although I recently acquired a Dolly sings Blue Grass cd which I think is great and to hell with cooler than thou work-mates who would sneer at it) and The Menstral Album by the Duncan Guy Band (its hilarious, check it out www.menstral.com/)

Also, I have a k-tel compilation of 20 greatest Western themes (the muzak versions) that I listen to far more than any normal person should. I just can't resist the theme tune of Bonanza or the muzak version of "the Hanging Tree" complete with horse trotting sound effects and the chorus that goes "the Hanging Treeeee, the Hanging Treeeeee, the Hanging Treeee" ….might stop now before this gets any more embarrassing!

Posted on Sat Oct 21 05:34:53 CEST 2000 from (207.218.245.10)

Laura Holt Lorfing

Had to get in on this guilty pleasure thang! One of them has gotta be "Insense and Peppermints" by Strawberry Alarm Clock.....I know...it's bad. I can't believe I'm admitting this to all in the GB but another guilty pleasure and these should probably in my case be called cheesey pleasures is "Cherish" by The Association. OK..I'm outta here! PEACE ALL :)

Posted on Sat Oct 21 05:30:38 CEST 2000 from well.health.nb.ca (207.179.181.34)

WS Walcott

Still even more guilty pleasures:

Live To Tell-Madonna

Radio Ga Ga-Queen

Tub Thumping-Chumbawumba

Boogie Shoes-KC and the Sunshine Band

I'm a Believer-The Monkees (Neil Diamond has to take the blame too, he wrote it)

Posted on Sat Oct 21 05:26:59 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-115-185.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.115.185)

BWNWITennessee

I've spent so long vainly trying to convince myself that I was cool that I don't know if I can even admit any guilty pleasures to myself. But I do know that one of the first songs I fell in love with when I was a little kid was "Billy Don't Be a Hero" by Bo Donaldson and the Haywoods. I liked it so much that I transcribed and memorized the lyrics, and used to act out little battles based on the song. Now that's guilty. I also really liked "The Devil Went Down To Georgia," although I was always scared that my dad was going to yell at me when the "son of a bitch" line came around. Continuing in the same theme, "The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia." When I got a little older, and my tastes impoved vastly, I really liked "Rock You Like A Hurricane" by the Scorpions, "Turn Up the Radio" by Autograph, "She's Got the Looks That Kill" by Motley Crue, and especially "Cum On Feel The Noize," by Quiet Riot. Ugh.

I don't know, nowadays, I guess "Genie In a Bottle's" pretty good, and I like the Dixe Chicks, "Goodbye Earl."

Where's my shirt?!

I just saw "Meet the Parents." It was pretty funny. Focker.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 04:57:52 CEST 2000 from 2cust28.tnt6.dial.tor2.uunet.ca (64.10.122.28)

GC Robertson

So you guys actually listen to Chuck Berry and Merle Haggerd and Peter Green and Etta James and the Burrito Bros. and Neil Young and Aretha Franklin? You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 04:44:28 CEST 2000 from x2-17.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.191)

Gene

I forgot Dusty. I don't really
feel TOO guilty.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 04:35:11 CEST 2000 from fe0-0.cache-01.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.0.5)

Gene

Little Eva, Bessie Banks, Arthur Alexander
Shirells, Chuck Berry, Dixie Cups, Aretha,
Gene Vincent...need I continue?

Posted on Sat Oct 21 04:17:34 CEST 2000 from proxy1-external.blfld1.ct.home.com (24.4.252.36)

AHROOO!!

Time to confess? Okay. Here it goes:

A lot of Queen

Al Green "Love & Happiness"

John Stewart "Gold"

Fleetwood Mac "Over My Head" - Just love that line, "You're love is like a circus wheel." Pure poetry

Chris Rea "Josephine" & "Julia" - Oddly enough the titles are the names of Rea's two daughters. His other songs are good too.

Lots of Dean Martin

Peggy Lee "Fever"

The Ultra Lounge collection

Al Kooper "I Can't Win Her"

Carly Simon "Comin' Around Again"

The Charlie Watts Jim Keltner Project....AWESOME cd!

Too far and few in between.

AHROOO!!

::::::going to listen to some of those guilty pleasures right now:::::

Posted on Sat Oct 21 03:17:15 CEST 2000 from spider-tp023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.183)

Dave Z

Guilty Pleasure: Disco... OK, I was also just dancing in my new black XL Hanes designer Garth Hudson T-shirt... by the way, what's up with the No.s 1-8?... Not complaining because I legitimized the purchase as another counting tool for my twin boys... who are now like Ninjas... in that if you don't know where they are you are vunerable... I narrowly escaped the disaster of being slammed with a toy drum (and yes, I am going to buy Levon's how-to video)... and was spared only when my little Nickel-Boy started counting to 8 backwards... OK, my other guilty pleasure is Christina Aguilera... yeah, that's right I'm an overweight white male happily married... finally, when I first saw this question, Song Sung Blue popped into my mind... Gotta go because I don't know where my other one, Ma-Foo, is hiding...

Posted on Sat Oct 21 02:59:15 CEST 2000 from proxy2o.dpn.deere.com (192.43.65.245)

Mike

Guilty pleasures?! Hmmmm :) Rattlesnake Shake (Fleetwood Mac w/Peter Green), The Moon Struck One (Hey, I like it. I don't see why so many dislike it), The Byrds' "Sweetheart Of The Rodeo", early 1970's Poco material. And what about Flying Burrito Bros? Some od those early Eagles tunes (the ones written by Bernie Leadon) are better than their hits, Wild Honey (Beach Boys). Has anyone evr heard of Cat Mother and The All Night Newsboys and Heartsfield? Those are two very obscure groups indeed. If you can find any Heartsfield, I suggest picking it up. It's a mix of country and rock played and sung exceptionally well. Why they never caught on is a mystery to me. Fleetwood Mac's "Sentimental Lady" is another pleasure. I guess it takes all kinds. Gotta run. Peace. And any Pure Prairie League material from 1972-1978. Too bad some of these aren't available on cd. Oh well. I'll just have to wait. What do ya think?! Mike

Posted on Sat Oct 21 02:56:42 CEST 2000 from proxy2o.dpn.deere.com (192.43.65.245)

Mike

Guilty pleasures?! Hmmmm :) Rattlesnake Shake (Fleetwood Mac w/Peter Green), The Moon Struck One (Hey, I like it. I don't see why so many dislike it), The Byrds' "Sweetheart Of The Rodeo", early 1970's Poco material. And what about Flying Burrito Bros? Some od those early Eagles tunes (the ones written by Bernie Leadon) are better than their hits, Wild Honey (Beach Boys). Has anyone evr heard of Cat Mother and The All Night Newsboys and Heartsfield? Those are two very obscure groups indeed. If you can find any Heartsfield, I suggest picking it up. It's a mix of country and rock played and sung exceptionally well. Why they never caught on is a mystery to me. Fleetwood Mac's "Sentimental Lady" is another pleasure. I guess it takes all kinds. Gotta run. Peace Mike

Posted on Sat Oct 21 02:48:00 CEST 2000 from well.health.nb.ca (207.179.181.34)

WS Walcott

More guilty pleasures:

ABC-Jackson 5

Alive Again-Chicago

Glory Days-The Boss

Two Doors Down-Dolly

It Ain't Me Babe-Johnny Cash version

Eleanor-Turtles

Working Man Blues-Merle Haggard

Come to think of it that last one might not belong on my list. It's a great country song and Merle, in my humble opinion, is a great country artist, anyone else agree?

Posted on Sat Oct 21 02:10:01 CEST 2000 from 208-51-135-215.nas2.mon.gblx.net (208.51.135.215)

Lars

My "guilty pleasures" include the Beach Boys' "Sail On Sailor," Neil Young's "Powderfinger" and anyone's version of "Drop-kick Me Jesus Through the Goalposts of Life."

On a different note, anyone interested in hearing Sredni Vollmer, Larry Packard (played elec. violin at TLW) and Steve Berg (called by Garth Hudson "one of the best guitar players I've ever heard") play some old Band music? And some Marshall Tucker, Allman Bros, and maybe some John Hiatt stuff. They will be playing with a few other friends at The Airport Inn in Montgomery, NY on Thurs Oct 26th from 7:00 to 10:00 PM.

More info will be posted this weekend. As soon as I hear it I'll pass it on.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 01:53:45 CEST 2000 from c5300-1-ip83.albany.thebiz.net (216.238.224.83)

Tom/Woodstock Records

Pat - Thanks for the mention of GARTH HUDSON in Chicago on 10/25 ... however Garth WILL NOT BE THERE, Professor Louie and the Crowmatix will. Sorry for any confusion. As always, please check the Breeze Hill or Woodstock Records sites or Jan's concert schedule for the most accurate info! Thanks again.... Tom/Woodstock Records

Posted on Sat Oct 21 01:49:20 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp41.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.41)

Lil again

Oh oh... my kids have just been reading and are making me fess up to my absolute obsession with the tune "Build me up Buttercup". Ok...I admit it. Isn't admitting it the first step? :-)

Have loved reading about everyone's "guilty pleasures" tunes. And hey..I still like you all anyway :-)

Now I'm really done for the night. Zzzzzz.....

Posted on Sat Oct 21 01:48:13 CEST 2000 from ts1-29.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.29)

Cupid

Re Sunday morning music.My Sunday morning ritual includes Tom Waits and Crystal Gayle singing together on the"One from the heart" soundtrack.She can really sing when given decent material to work with.If it's not One from the heart it's Bach with bacon and eggs and a big cuppa.

A guilty pleasure would be the track Puff Daddy and Jimmy Page put together for the "Godzilla" sound track.I can't stand rap or Led Zepplin but some how these two wrongs have come together to make a right.It's the damdest thing...Peace Cupid

Posted on Sat Oct 21 01:37:02 CEST 2000 from on-tor-blr-a58-04-1216.look.ca (216.154.20.200)

Rick Kenworthy

Guilty pleasures . . .Now the deep dark secrets are starting to come out.

Oh Lil see what you gone and done?

OK here goes . . .

"Kicks" and "Hungry" by Paul Revere & the Raiders

"Ramblin' Rose" Nat King Cole

"We were always sweethearts" by Boz Scaggs

"Carwash" by whoeveritwas . . . and

"July, you're a woman" by . . .get ready - Pat Boone

There, I feel better now that its out in the open . . .

By the way, anyone know where I could get a CD of Boz Scaggs 'Moments' LP? There never seems to be an available pressing on the usual sites. I personally think that, after his inital LP with the incredible Muscle Shoals Swampers, this was his finest effort.

Great thread Lil - got us all back the to Music (BTTM from now on)

Dileas gu Brath

Rick

Posted on Sat Oct 21 01:19:14 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp41.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.41)

Diamond Lil

....Kathy adores a minuet, a ballet russe, and crepe suzette
But Patty loves to rock and roll, a hot dog makes her lose control
You could lose your mind
When cousin's are two of a kind.....

Geez Matt...perhaps we both need to find new hobbies :-)

Have a good night everyone. Welcome back Jan. Hug.

Posted on Sat Oct 21 01:13:21 CEST 2000 from ppp143.a2-1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.4.209)

paul godfrey

Indeed, Don Williams is a laid-back country singer. But to my mind he is much more ... remember the Pozo Seco Singers?

Posted on Fri Oct 20 23:48:21 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

I don't know if it's a pleasure, but I sure feel guilty by my incessant need to sing the theme from the "patty duke show" when under deadline pressure...I need help!

- Meet Kathy whose been most everywhere, from Zanzabar, to Barkley Square.
- But Patty's only seen the sites a girl can see from Brooklyn Heights. What a crazy pair!
- But they're cousins. Identical cousins all the way. One set of matching bookends. Different as night and day
- Kathy adores a crepe suzette...

AAAAAAAUGHHHHHH!!!!! Help me!

Posted on Fri Oct 20 23:32:09 CEST 2000 from spider-wg031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.31)

Gina or Regina

Peter Viney made a good point, alot of the music that someone nicknamed "guilty pleasures" are quite cool if you think about it, or else why would we "cool music lovers" like them? W.S Walcott yes it is spelled Kottke. That was who I meant. He did a great!!! cover version of World Turning but I already said that.And the bush lover yes she is fantastic. But do you know if she has released anything new The Red Shoes was the last I have heard from her? Post on the board please if anyone knows of a new Kate Bush release. Thanks

Posted on Fri Oct 20 23:26:02 CEST 2000 from (63.69.40.157)

Just Wonderin'

Guilty pleasures?

How about Phil Harris (The Thing) or Louis Prima (Oh Marie)?

More modern choices would be Chris Rea and of course Islands.

Etta James and Peggy Lee can't be beat either!

Posted on Fri Oct 20 22:24:59 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-097.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.97)

Peter Viney

How guilty does a pleasure have to be? A lot of the stuff mentioned as guilty pleasures are things I love – She’s Gone, In the mood, 98.6, Jive talkin, Who’s that lady. Anything by Kate Bush or Stevie Nicks. And don’t forget “Rumours” fitted in the Classic Albums TV series with “The Band.” You can take any rhythm section in the world, but if you want dead tight, complementing the vocal, no showing off or pyrotechnics … then the Rumours drums & bass is as good as you get. No, largely this entertaining thread is picking up great popular music. Stevie Nicks is definitely Saturday Night music.

So … what about Sunday morning music? A really guilty pleasure … while reading the Sunday Papers in bed with a hot cup of tea … I have often listened to Vangelis’s “China” or to a sequenced album called … sorry … “Chill Out Classics”. But for esoteric idle Sunday morning listening you actually need classical conductor Thomas Wilbrandt’s modern takes on Vivaldi, “The Electric V.” and “Transforming V.” And a cup of Earl Grey. In a pot. And some decent sports news, i.e. Manchester United rather than The Mets. But Liverpool would be better news than Manchester United. Except that at this point in time they’re not as good.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 22:19:30 CEST 2000 from wcproxy.algonquincollege.com (205.211.30.8)

Shea Bailey

This was My first time on "The Band" Webpag and I though that it has been very well done!! Good job to who ever put this together!! I think that a little mmemoral in memory of Rick Danko could be something to add in the near future. Otherwise great...great job!!

Posted on Fri Oct 20 22:03:36 CEST 2000 from user-33qt9ac.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.165.76)

Pat Brennan

I don't know how this one passed everyone by, but here's a listing from today's Chicago Tribune that Mixchick found: under Rock/Pop, GARTH HUDSON 12 pm, October 25; free; Chicago Music Mart at DePaul Center, 333 S. State St., 312-362-6700.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 21:54:49 CEST 2000 from spider-ta046.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.29)

Donna

Great thread going on our guilty pleasures! Here's just a few of mine.

Boz Scaggs, Georgia

Jesse Colin Young, Reveal Your Dreams

Hall & Oates, She's Gone

Glen Miller's, In The Mood

Natalie Imbruglia, Torn

BTW: I thought I saw it listed that Emmylou Harris, will be on, The Conan O'Brien, show tonight.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 21:51:29 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

New concert date from the Woodstock Records site:
Professor Louie and The Crowmatix w/ Garth Hudson
Tobacco Road - New York City, NY
355 West 41st Street (9th Ave), New York, NY
Saturday, Nov 18th, 9:00 pm
Info : (212) 947-1188

I just received my Garth shirt from Breeze Hill. Looks great!

Guilty pleasure: Islands. (Pleasure doesn't get much guiltier. :)

Posted on Fri Oct 20 21:47:14 CEST 2000 from ip37.buffalo11.ny.pub-ip.psi.net (38.26.224.37)

G-MAN

The World Series is a great event, as are the Olympics & Super Bowl. However, the vast amounts of $$$ spent on marketing and athletes salaries seems absurd. Especially when you consider some of the "professional" athletes that are actually out on the loose!! If I had my choice, and was in NYC I'd rather see the Gurus at CBS than the Series!!! Have a great w/e!!!

Posted on Fri Oct 20 21:06:03 CEST 2000 from (206.224.31.9)

Little Brøther

-- Ironically, the cheap electroplating of "marketing" has destroyed much of the "patina of history" in baseball for some of us. I don't expect the game to be played in flannels, but "innovations" from designated hitters to inter-league play erode the experience of tradition. One can't rebut the logical arguments that sports are built of arbitrary conventions in the first place, and have always evolved as circumstances dictated. Still, as someone once said, it ain't like it used to be.

-- Yes, "guilty pleasures" is likely to swell from ripples to a tsunami. I'll gloss over some of the Top Forty hits already listed, adding only "Judy In Disguise" and "The Rapper". And I have found myself acquiring a nice collection of various anthologies and collections for (late) '60s and '70s. And yes, Peter, I don't skip "Ode To Billie Joe" either; it works the way "Long Black Veil" works, though the latter is of a higher order.

And I don't consider my "Enoch Light and the Light Brigade" AUTHENTIC recreations of Big Band tunes set to be a guilty pleasure.

However, as I coincidentally just confessed to someone, MY "guilty pleasure" is the genre of synthesized classical music. Wendy Carlos, Tomita, and whatever lesser performances I can find. I must be one of about five listeners (not counting the performers) who regret that the genre didn't thrive. Alas! It was a fad, and it certainly bred a short-lived catalogue of mediocrity. But I still hope that one day I'll find "The 1812 Overture" and "Nutcracker Suite" by a forgotten duo named Kraft & Alexander (featuring Arp synthesizers) issued on a CD. I'd have loved "Switched-On Mozart" or Beethoven, etc.

Well, it doesn't count as a "guilty pleasure" if it doesn't inspire sneers, jeers, and catcalls when you reveal it... Hmmm, I wonder what Garth thinks of this stuff?

Posted on Fri Oct 20 21:02:42 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

A Band thread to this "guilty pleasures" thing: Laid-back country crooner Don Williams and, yes, Bread are on my list. Richard Manuel's version of "(I'm Just A) Country Boy", popularized by Don Williams, is included on The Band's "Jericho" album. His version of "She Knows", a Bread out-take, shows up on "High On The Hog". I don't feel so guilty anymore.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 20:35:25 CEST 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

Oh yea.., The Night Chicago Died..., Nanananananananana

Posted on Fri Oct 20 20:28:01 CEST 2000 from spider-wm041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.166)

quincy

as for guilty pleasures i love 3 dog night and the boxtops. but i want to say i got the elliot landy book and it has great pics of the band and richard manuel. also in the new chamber brothers reissue of time has come it says the band stole there riff? can anyone tell me where i can find across the great divide box set please. thanks

Posted on Fri Oct 20 20:14:35 CEST 2000 from spider-wd041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.166)

Bashful Bill

Once again, I'm with you, Peter Viney. I don't feel guilty about any music I listen to. Consider this-you made a one-degree connection from Brian Hyland's "Sealed With A Kiss" to Stevie Nicks' "Gypsy". This reminded me of a great but seldom heard Brian Hyland oldie from around 71-"Gypsy Woman". And David Powell-I have a distinct memory(as opposed to many of my memories which aren't so distinct) of purposely watching the Tonite show one night back in 75 or so for the express purpose of watching the Bee Gee's play "Jive Talkin". And...I love the soundtrack to Saturday Night Fever, as well as the soundtrack to another Travolta blockbuster-Urban Cowboy, no Bee Gees on that one though.(A little Travolta movie trivia: these two movies were developed as a result of magazine articles in the New Yorker, another of his movies "Perfect" was based on a Rolling stone magazine article) And someone else mentioned Diana Ross, I can't abide that woman but I love almost any of the many stages of her musical career. And as for torch, does anyone out there like Rosemary Clooney, Patti Page, Peggy Lee, or Marion Mc Partland?

Posted on Fri Oct 20 20:13:22 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-td052.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.172)

bob wigo

I knew this one was going to be trouble from the get-go.

How about
Archie Bell & the Drells'-- "Tighten Up" or
The Intruders'-- "Cowboys to Girls" ?

Excuse me. Got to get over to Napster quick.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 20:07:51 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-td052.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.172)

bob wigo

David, I fondly recall sprinting home from school to see my oldest brother John shakin' it on Bandstand. Black and white--- backflips in the living room. At the time the show was shot from a Philly studio (on Market Street I believe). Great memory. Thank you for letting it out of the bottle for me.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 19:56:13 CEST 2000 from user-33qta0c.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.168.12)

Pat Brennan

Keith's 98.6.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 19:53:00 CEST 2000 from (130.219.229.173)

BK

Guilty pleasures? Early 70's am "soul" tunes - "Who's that Lady" "The clean up woman" "Drift Away" I love all that stuff. I've also gotta go with Ed B on the Bread stuff.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 19:40:10 CEST 2000 from proxy-1421.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.220)

Ed Blayzor

guilty pleasures,i love all the mellow 70`s artists America,Jim Croce,Cat Stevens etc., but my real guilty pleasure is BREAD`S Everything I Own.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 19:35:26 CEST 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime In The Mood

On calm's special request:

My guilty pleasure - it's not classical (I mostly listen to classical music) - it's not jazz (I don't like jazz) - it's not pop (if that doesn't mean "popular") - it's not rock (far from it) - it's not even Ragtime (thank heavens) - it's actually nothing but some worthless saccharine by a few trombones, clarinets and saxophones - it's Glenn Miller the King of Swing and I dig it!

Posted on Fri Oct 20 19:31:02 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

Maybe Mr. Pearson transfered Mr. Ebert's concept from film to music, but happily I may have created a monster here in the guestbook by bringing it up. After all, music is entertainment as well as being an art form, and a sense of fun should prevail at times.

I'm dating myself here again, but remember that when the kids used to rate a new record on American Bandstand, the question of danceability was definitely a factor. The particular song's lyrics might be really inane, but if it had a good beat, that's all that mattered. Sometimes intellectual interpretation gives way to more "pressing" concerns. Remember, even the most cornball song with the right groove is more important when it comes time for a slow dance. Oh no -- now I've done it! Suddenly I can't get the sound of the Buckingham's song "Susan" out of my mind.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 19:27:38 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

gina, i love bush, oops. that video with donald sutherland, cloudbursting, is great. runnin up the hill. you must like gypsy and sara by nicks, no?

Posted on Fri Oct 20 19:16:50 CEST 2000 from jackie.fvrl.org (204.119.30.140)

Peter Shaw

If someone has the "Academy of Outtakes" recording, could he or she please email me about where they got it and if possible, the phone number of the place. Many thanks.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 19:14:43 CEST 2000 from wc1-int2.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.200.230)

WS Walcott

Gina, I think you meant Leo Kottke. Incredible guitarist.

More skeletons from my closet:

Walk Like a Man-Grand Funk

Hello Hurray-Alice Cooper

Walk This Way-Aerosmith

Fight The Power-Public Enemy

God, have I no shame at all?

Ok, I kind of like the New York Yankees, especially Bernie Williams.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 19:03:48 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-td063.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.178)

bob wigo

David, you old sentimentalist you. Recalling Bob Lind's "Elusive Butterfly" as I type.This whole thing has a chance to expose some deep dark secrets.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 18:59:05 CEST 2000 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

Guilty pleasures? I thought Roger Ebert started that concept, but I guees not. Thanks for the history, David. I'd wanted to discuss that idea here myself, but couldn't tie it in to The Band. I've been known to listen to the occasional Poco or Donovan disc and enjoy it a lot more than my brain tells me I should. And then there are the Dixie Chicks...

Posted on Fri Oct 20 18:59:49 CEST 2000 from du52-4.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.4.52)

Ilkka

Thanks, Jan, for adding "Fresh Garbage" album from the Finnish group WIGWAM in Related/What's new section. There is a link to the WIGWAM web site, too. Take a look. You don't visit a Finnish rock site every day, do you? - The guestbook there is mostly in Finnish but English is spoken even up here, if you like to say hello.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 18:51:07 CEST 2000 from spider-th022.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.52)

Gina

I am a HARDCORE "THE BAND" fan, so I take great pleasure also in admitting some "guilty pleasures". I was debating music with someone and metioned that I love Fleetwood Mac and alot of Stevie Nicks solo stuff (I am also an over grown teenybopper, that is what I call her solo stuff) well any way they said OH GOD that is top forty crap. So I told them to listen to Leo Knottne ( how do you spell that mans name?) he does an awesome version of Fleetwood Macs WORLD TURNING, So they did and that lend to him buying alot of F.M.'s c.d.'s. And he said SORRY. They have alot of top forty stuff, but if you listen to some other tunes you might get hooked, the early ones mostly!! also someone metioned The Bee Gee"s as far as dance tunes they are good, and dare I admit to liking some of Madonna's song(no not the new music tune, YUCK) But anyway this comes from a Band fan and Stanley Clarke (the bass player not the hockey guy) also does anyone apreciate Kate Bush, her music is beautiful!!! bye

Posted on Fri Oct 20 18:47:38 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

Included on my long list of "guilty pleasures" in music would be the Band-related album "The Hollies Sing Dylan", released in 1969. With their English choirboy-like harmonies and pop arrangements, the Hollies turn even the coolest Dylan song into an exquisite example of the unhip. You'd probably find this LP on Austin Powers' turntable baby. But I have to admit, these guys could sing beautifully. Even if the departed-Hollie, Graham Nash, hated the concept of this album, what's to differentiate it from CSN's "Marakesh Express" as an art form -- at least Dylan's lyrics are hipper.

I recently ran across an English import Parlophone LP copy of this album. The richer-sounding import LP has now replaced my old scratchy Epic LP on my turntable. Besides better sonics, I really like those glossy covers of import LPs. Perhaps the word "glossy" is also the best way to describe the Hollies' style.

Since I listen to so many different types of music, my complete "guilty pleasures" list would be quite extensive. For example, just don't get me started on Toto, Esquivel or Arthur Fiedler. Does anyone else remember the elusive Bob Lind? You might wake up some morning humming one of his songs before you know it.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 18:32:24 CEST 2000 from (24.3.160.27)

Brien Sz

Guilty pleasures: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..,The soundtrack to Rocky Horror. I hear those songs about this time a year and it brings me back to all those midnight adventures in High School. And "Greased Lightning" One of my first date movies.., I thought it was a cool song. What can I say.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 18:28:17 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

spirit in the sky, guilty!

Posted on Fri Oct 20 18:13:17 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-102.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.102)

Peter Viney

I regard my listening pleasures as innocent, though often unhip, so feel little guilt. I turned up the volume when Brian Hyland’s “Sealed with a Kiss” came on the radio last week. Everytime I hear “Gypsy” by Fleetwood Mac I have to press repeat on the CD player. And I do have a penchant for early-60s stuff like “If You Wanna be Happy,’ by Jimmy Soul or “Leader of The Pack” by the Shangri-Las. I used to think “Ode to Billy Joe” was unhip, so technically a guilty pleasure, but recent reviews seem to have (rightfully) moved it back into the hip area. Maybe “Music To watch Girls By” (instrumental original version) by the Bob Crewe Experience is a guilty secret.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 17:56:36 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-td073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.183)

bob wigo

Damn, I knew this was going to happen....

Gary Lewis & the Playboys --- "Love Potion #9".

I think it's that snare drum that gets me!

Posted on Fri Oct 20 17:49:28 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-td073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.183)

bob wigo

("Something Tells Me") if we pull on this "thread" too hard the whole fabric of the GB may unravel.

How about Herman's Hermits' "I'm Into Something Good" ?

P.S. It's a rare post that begins in parentheses.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 16:59:22 CEST 2000 from ukscsys.soundcraft.com (195.217.233.205)

DJMitchison

Guilty pleasures? I quite like "The Moon Struck One". I'm sorry.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 16:46:49 CEST 2000 from stjhts19c35.nbnet.nb.ca (142.166.253.41)

WS Walcott

I enjoyed David Powell's post about "guilty pleasures". We all have them. Songs and artists we don't really like but who have songs we secretly enjoy. I think its a great topic for discussion. I would probably have all kinds if I sat down and really thought about it. A couple that come to mind are "Upside Down" by Diana Ross, What a great bass line! Hate to admit it, but I like "Black and White" by Michael Jackson. A very catchy guitar hook and it does convey a positive message.

Come on folks, drag those skeletons out of your closet and share them with us. I think it would make for great reading. Hell, I sometimes catch myself tapping my feet to the Bee Gees "Jive Talkin'". Lets keep this one on the QT. There are some things better left in the closet.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 16:09:45 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

The esteemed Harry Pearson of "the absolute sound" magazine originated the term "guilty pleasures" in referring to music. These are recordings that you enjoy listening to, usually when no one else is around, since the term refers to music that's so unhip in the current fashion-sense that you'd be embarrassed to be caught playing it. Recently, Mr. Pearson asked his staff of writers to list their own "guilty pleasures" in music. One of the writers shares my sentiments regarding Julie London. I'm sure all of us have a list of our own "guilty pleasures".

On another subject -- I recently pulled out my Mobile Fidelity CD copy of Levon Helm's self-titled 1978 solo album. I haven't listened to it in quite awhile. I particularly enjoy his versions of Allen Toussaint's "Play Something Sweet (Brickyard Blues)" and the Al Green/Teenie Hodges classic, "Take Me To The River".

Here is what recording engineer Barry Rudolph has to say about the album (I found these comments posted at Mr. Rudolph's web-page):

"I was lucky enough to work with Levon and producer Donald "Duck" Dunn on the "Levon Helm" album at Cherokee Studios in Hollywood. I did a lot of the vocal, guitar and percussion overdubs and then mixed the whole record. Levon is a natural musician and student of musical histories. He told countless stories during the course of making this record keeping everyone spellbound and we are lucky to have ever gotten any work done at all! Producer Dunn added a good portion of his own yarns and fables which contributed to the relaxed and down home atmosphere of the many late evening sessions. Levon's version of Al Green's "Take Me To The River" preceded the Talking Heads' version by about six months and I still don't know why Levon's didn't hit instead."

Posted on Fri Oct 20 15:36:41 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

I am a baseball fan, and I'll preface my comments by admitting that my Red Sox are in the state they are in, largely due to mis-spent cash (with the lone exceptions of Pedro and Nomar, who have big contracts, but in context, are worth it).

1) Bob Wigo, you are correct. Player salaries are way up, and in any sane frame of reference (a baseball player vs. a school teacher, for example), the amount for the value to society is obscene. However, that says more about our societal values and the weight (no pun intended) we put on entertainment and diversion.

Sports (in a global context) or baseball and NFL football (in the US, specifically), have the added strength of enjoying more than a diversionary status. These two sports (at least here) have a patina of history that transcends, in some ways, even our political or artistic landscape.

For example, I guarantee you that more people in St. Louis were affected emotionally by the loss of the Cardinals to the Mets than were upset about the USS Cole bombinb or events in the middle east. That's not a slam on people from St. Louis, it's just that these sports seem more personal to us as a society - especially professional baseball, which has a history stretching back nearly to the Civil War (though Civil War soldiers played a version of baseball wearing both Gray and Blue).

I'm not trying to be a Costas-like romantic, here. It's a game played by adults who are overpaid and too often to spoiled to recognize how freaking lucky they are (I'm a Red Sox fan, remember, I have to put up with Carl Everett). And I do think they are overpaid.

However, both the Mets and the Yankees have essentially bought their tickets to the World Series. No other baseball teams (except LA, but they mercifully have tanked for two years) could keep such a salary-heavy roster. I'm not saying their not good teams, nor am I saying they haven't spent their obscene amounts of money well. The Yanks, in particular, have been outstanding, and have been able to take advantage of a superior farm system to trade prospects for quality veterans.

All that said, there's something missing when the Pittsburgh's and Milwaukee's and Cinncinati's and Baltimore's (though the Orioles owner has the $$$ and just can't run his team) or Minnesota's can't compete year in and year out.

A St. Louis or Oakland will excel to playoff caliber, but will lack the cash to sign the free agent to take them over the top, or worse, will begin losing their home grown talent as free agents to a NY team or LA or Atlanta.

Anyway, nothing at all to do with The Band, though I did hear Cripple Creek played over the PA once at a Colorado Rockies game...

Apologies to our Euro friends. Isn't/wasn't there a Euro Cup type event for "soccer" last week?

matt

Posted on Fri Oct 20 15:21:08 CEST 2000 from gateway.tono.no (212.71.68.22)

Jens Magnus

Bob Wigo, you are probably referring to Danko/Fjeld/Anderson's version of Twilight.

From the album Ridin' on the blinds.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 15:16:25 CEST 2000 from spider-tl062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.202)

bob wigo

Yesterday I downloaded a beautiful live rendition of "Twilight" from Napster. It sounds like Tom Pacheco along with Rick. Does anyone know when and where it was recorded ?

P.S. Please, this is not a call to the Napster debate team. Let's leave that issue to the suits.

"Send lawyers, guns and money...."

Posted on Fri Oct 20 14:37:46 CEST 2000 from (24.3.160.27)

Brien Sz

Pat: No doubt viewership is lower. All sporting events numbers(pretty good generalization on my part, don't ya think) are lower. Monday Night Football numbers have been slowly eroding away. Forget the Olympic numbers, Sydney made that worse.

The advent of cable and satellite, WWF as well as a number of other sports becoming more popular and YES, the greed of owners and players has turned a lot of people off to the sport. The number of new fans coming into the game are dwindling but the powert of the buck must be growing, otherwise owners wouldn't be able to spend the money they do. Just a thought...,

Posted on Fri Oct 20 14:08:02 CEST 2000 from wc1-int1.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.200.214)

WS Walcott

Just got The Band "The Authorized Biography" from ebay. The price was right, $8.00 for a new unopened video. I was the only bidder. I enjoyed it but there was not enough music and a little too much Levon. Still trying to get The Last Waltz but keep getting outbid. I guess a copy at a reasonable price will show up eventually. /n Yankees in 6. Keep your head up Piazza. You too Roger.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 14:07:36 CEST 2000 from spider-tl062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.202)

bob wigo

I will preface my question to Pat Brennan with this statement. I am not and never will be a New York fan.

Pat, are there two teams in the league that haven't spent obscene amounts of money on players? The money has been so far over the top for so long that I can't even count it as an issue anymore.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 12:59:03 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp95.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.95)

Diamond Lil

After reading Mr. Powell's words about "guilty pleasures" regarding Julie London's music ( a sentiment I believe was echoed by Mr. Godfrey)..it got me wondering if, among (amongst?) all of us Band fans, we have any similar "guilty pleasure" (I love that term!) music in common? Believe it or not, one of mine is the old, slow stuff by The Eagles. And Ray Charles. And _anything_sung by Richard. Now that I've showed you mine...let's see yours, ok?

Would like to send a biiiig hug to my favorite cadillac driver over in Sweden today. Miss you.

Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 07:40:50 CEST 2000 from spider-tm012.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.47)

donna

Lil, Thank you for sharing that wonderful story of you and your father. I was touched by it. I also had a similar experience with my father, but it was the Phillies, in the 80's World Series. Those memories will be there to cherish forever!

Since I can't root for my home team, I'll go for the under dog,,, Go Met's!

Posted on Fri Oct 20 06:55:52 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

gotta say it. i can't stand that song, old jawbone. it's like nails on a blackboard to me. there's a couple of other real clunkers spread across the band's work. why should they be different?

Posted on Fri Oct 20 05:53:54 CEST 2000 from user-33qt97t.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.253)

Pat Brennan

Brian, I heard today that viewership for these playoffs are at historic lows. And MLB counts tickets sold, not turnstyle numbers, for attendence.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 05:36:29 CEST 2000 from spider-wm031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.161)

Dave Z

I never heard of Julie London... looks like I may have to do some exploring... any recommendations?

I just picked up a nice video "The Best of MusikLaden: Stephen Stills & Manassas"... really good stuff from about 1972... includes Bound To Fall, It Doesn't Matter, Hide It So Deep, Song Of Love, Rock n' Roll Crazies, Jet Set, Jam, and The Treasure... with a nice raw sound compared to the LPs I got...

When people talk about the best bands and very quickly mention the Beatles and Stones... I sometimes think they should pause... to examine the Band, yes... but also the collective body of work of C and S and N and Y... maybe the best part-time band...

Posted on Fri Oct 20 05:24:13 CEST 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

If the team owners want to spend the money--Let em'--it's not mine. I say, let em' drive a truck load of money up to A-Rods house and let him become Shea Rod, and the same for Mike Hampton. Pat, I don't entirely agree with your assesmert on the state of baseball. Attendance is up, merchandising is up, and the wild card has really made baseball more attractive to fans. Maybe the NY thing isn't as appealing to the whole country as it might have been years ago but our choices of alternatives are so much more vast. Anyway, we delude ourselves thinking that NY captured the country's imagination way back when. Way back when, it was Dodgers, Giants, Yankees--if you look at those payrolls, those teams were always in the top five in payroll. Don't you think people resented that way back when.., Nothings changed, it's just gotten bigger and brighter.

Lets Go Mets!

Posted on Fri Oct 20 05:05:13 CEST 2000 from user-33qt97t.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.253)

Pat Brennan

It should be noted that both NY baseball teams spent obscene ammounts of money to field their teams. By the rules they did nothing wrong, but it is indicative of baseball's dire future. This hardly goes unnoticed as the entire world simply is turning baseball off. Where thirty years ago this series would have captured the country's imagination, now relatively few people outside New York will be watching.

And everyone rushing to pull out the big guns, please note that I love NYC. I'm not NY bashing, just baseball bashing.

BTW, everyone should tune into David Letterman tonight to watch George W. get a big laugh from referencing his father's most embarassing moment as president. Classy.

Posted on Fri Oct 20 04:22:28 CEST 2000 from spider-te063.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.203)

Bayou Sam

Hey BWNWITenn. Why don't you put on your John Rocker jersey and come up to N.Y. You need a ride on the subway. You won't forget it. You can bring Rocker with you since he's not doing anything right now.... How's that for some New York attitude? :)

Posted on Fri Oct 20 02:32:16 CEST 2000 from ppp53.a1-2.56k.execulink.com (209.239.1.181)

paul godfrey

Julie London. The Torch Singer!

My, as a very young d.j. back in the early 60's in Peterborough Ontario she kept me company doing the night show at CHEX radio. Her album covers are forever apart of those lonely nights and as David Powell says: "guilty pleasures!"

There's got to be a rock n roll heaven. I may never get there, but my soul would never rest in the land of shadows if there is not such a place.

Shine On!

Posted on Fri Oct 20 01:49:29 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-127-80.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.127.80)

Back with no wife in Tennessee

Stop me if you've heard this before. What do you get when you take away the first and last letters of all three New York-area hockey teams?

Got it? Da-dum. How appropriate. Coincidence? I think not.

(In a show of support for inductive reasoning, I have neglected to provide the actual answer here. However, for the NHL-challenged among us, those three teams would be the Devils, Rangers and Islanders.)

Posted on Fri Oct 20 01:30:09 CEST 2000 from 24.68.33.158.on.wave.home.com (24.68.33.158)

John Donabie

Julie London, rest in peace. One of the most sultry singers ever. What a talent! May you ride Route 66 to the stars.

Posted on Thu Oct 19 23:09:04 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-170.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.170)

Peter Viney

R.I.P Julie London. David mentions her LP dust jackets. I note that collector’s record stores have special Julie London sections, such is the demand for her album sleeves.

Information. Please note neither I (nor this site) can help with tracking down tapes of the following shows. Sorry. But they are around.
Agrigento Italian broadcast, RAI-DUE
Line up:
Robbie Robertson - guitar, vocal / Bill Dillon - guitar /Walfredo Reyes / Oscar Carpayo / Otmaro Ruiz (bass, drums, keyboards)with: Ulali, Delphine Robertson, Buffy Sainte-Marie, The Coolidges (Priscilla and Rita Coolidge, Laura Satterfield), Silver Cloud Singers, American Indian Dance Theater, John Trudel & Bad Dog, Elvis Costello
They played
Ghost Dance
Makh Jchi – Ulali
Golden Feather
Cherokee Morning Song
It is A Good Day to Die
We Hear What You Say - John Trudell & Bad Dog
Skinwalker
Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee - Buffy St. Marie
Coyote Dance
Ancestor Song

On tapes of this there are two other songs from a show labelled “Festa del Maggio 1’ (May 1st Festival), ‘Ghost dance” (in a stunningly good rendition) and ‘I Shall be released’ with The Coolidges. I’d guessed they were encores from the same show, but maybe they’re a different show. They are not on the TV broadcast, but the presence of an Italian announcer makes me think they might be radio broadcasts. Possibly from a longer simulcast?

Seville was a 1992 BBC2 broadcast in the “Guitar legends|” series recorded at Expo in Seville. This was recorded in a good concert hall, and the BBC version is excellent. I think it was broadcast in NICAM stereo as part of a series stretching over several weeks. Robbie shares the show with Les Paul and Roger Waters. It was the fourth concert in the Guitar Legends series recorded at Expo ‘91, Seville. Robbie Robertson appears with musicians from the Storyville sessions. He looks and sounds incredibly nervous (see the man with stage fright). It’s surprising that he didn’t feature with Bob Dylan on the previous day’s concert (#3)- though Richard Thompson did a sterling job with Dylan, and Dylan’s Seville version of All Along The W atchtower has a stunning bass line from Jack Bruce, and guitar from Phil Manzanera and Richard Thompson. (But that’s one for the Dylanologists - Dylan’s show is available on an Italian bootleg CD). I’ve also heard of a bootleg CD set in Japan with extracts from all the artists at Seville, but haven’t seen it. This may be the item with crappy sound mentioned.

Line up: Robbie Robertson - guitar, lead vocal / Bruce Hornsby - electric piano, backing vocal / Bill Dillon - guitar / Tony Levin - bass / Manu Katche - drums / Ivan Neville - organ /Monk Bordeaux, Bo Dollis - vocal, percussion / The Miami Horns - horns (Ed Manion, Mark Pender, Richie Rosenberg)
The broadcast set consisted of:
Go Back to Your Woods
What About Now
The Weight
Shake This Town

Robbie joined the cast for the encore, backed by his own group for:
Baby What You Want Me To Do
Roger McGuinn, Richard Thompson - lead vocal, guitar / Les Paul - guitar / Robbie Robertson - backing vocal, guitar solo + backing musicians as above.

Posted on Thu Oct 19 22:43:57 CEST 2000 from spider-tk023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.183)

bob wigo

David Powell is referring to the passing of Julie London.The following was taken from a biography page at CDNow.I hope this sheds some light on the subject as many have forgotten this beautiful and talented singer.She recorded a wonderful album entitled "Julie Is Her Name"in 1955 with guitar great Barney Kessel.

BORN: September 26, 1926, Santa Rosa, CA Sultry blues vocalist Julie London began her film career long before she achieved fame as a recording artist. In 1945, 18-year-old London was selected to play a bargain-basement jungle princess, appearing opposite a gorilla in the PRC cheapie Nabonga. She was pretty bad, but no worse than the film itself. By the time she was cast as a sexy teenager in The Red House (1947), her acting had improved immensely, and by the time she played the female lead in the 1951 programmer The Fat Man, it looked as though she actually had a future in films. Still, London's greatest claim to fame was her long string of hit records ("Cry Me a River" et. al.) of the 1950s; many male admirers bought her albums simply to gaze upon her come-hither countenance on the dust jacket. Her status as every red-blooded American boy's wish dream was gently lampooned in Frank Tashlin's The Girl Can't Help It (1956), in which she appears as a spectral vision who transfixes a wistful Tom Ewell. Her best dramatic film appearances of this period include her leading-lady gigs in Voice in the Mirror (1958) and Man of the West (1958). From 1945 through 1955, Julie London was the wife of actor/producer Jack Webb; years after the divorce, London played Nurse Dixie McCall on the popular Jack Webb-produced TV series Emergency, in which she co-starred with her second husband, actor/jazz musician Bobby Troup. -- Hal Erickson, All Movie

Posted on Thu Oct 19 22:41:18 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

Yes--sadly, the actress & jazz singer Julie London passed away yesterday at the age of 74. First married to the actor Jack "Dragnet" Webb, she later married jazz musician & songwriter ("Route 66") Bobby Troup. One of my "guilty pleasures" is listening to her LPs from the '50s & '60s. Wine, candlelight & Julie singing in the background beats Johnny Mathis, if you know what I mean. She had a wonderful soft, soothing & sultry voice. Perhaps my favorite of her albums was "Lonely Girl" which featured jazz guitarist Al Caiola.

In the '70s Ms. London's acting career was revived when she became a member of the cast of the popular t.v. series, "Emergency". After suffering a stroke five years ago, she remained in poor health. The CD "Time For Love: The Best of Julie London" (Rhino/WEA) is an excellent introduction for those unfamiliar with her work.

Posted on Thu Oct 19 22:07:08 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp53.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.53)

Diamond Lil

Mr. Powell: Is that Julie London you're talking about? Wasn't she married to the guy who wrote 'Route 66'? I also seem to remember her being on a medical tv show years ago, but can't remember which one. Do you? Btw..'Cry me a river' is a beautiful tune.

Posted on Thu Oct 19 21:29:46 CEST 2000 from m198214178062.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.178.62)

Pehr

Jon Lyness: I always considered the Pink and Brown albums together as a unit, like Levon says in the video. They go together beautifully. Perhaps it's best that they didn't come out together- maybe that would be too much great music, if there is such a thing. All that great work came together in an amazingly short time.

Posted on Thu Oct 19 20:34:04 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

David Powell: what happened?

Posted on Thu Oct 19 20:22:34 CEST 2000 from (12.34.17.194)

Johnny Flippo

Amen, Mr. Powell, amen. Wasn't hers just the sexiest you ever heard?

Posted on Thu Oct 19 18:25:54 CEST 2000 from ip219.buffalo11.ny.pub-ip.psi.net (38.26.224.219)

G-Man

Bones, being serious here. Robster was advertised for a whole native American show; he split early. He's talented, but dislike his MO. Besides like Bashful Bill wrote---Rock w/Levon and/or the Gurus...they're here and now and happening!!! Wish I could make NYC for CBS--but cannot. Yankees in six, if Clemmons only pitches at Y-Stadium and doesn't get to bat. Peace and Health, and support the GURUS and YANKEES!!

Posted on Thu Oct 19 18:23:05 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

Her name is Julie.

She's rejoined Bobby to sing with the angels.

Cry me a river.

Posted on Thu Oct 19 18:15:23 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Here's a non-baseball question. I was enjoying the VH1 Classic Albums video on the making of the brown album recently, and I was intrigued by some comments that Levon makes. I've always thought of the first few Band albums as very distinct & separate entities (hence there are few outtakes from those sessions), but Levon comments how he thinks of Big Pink and the brown album as virtually the same thing, and mentions specifically "songs that didn't get finished in time for the first album" that ended up on the brown album. Now, he is saying this thirty years after the fact and it might not be 100% accurate...but I find it very intriguing. To speculate a bit, I wonder if "Jemima Surrender" might fall into this category, given that it is Levon making these recollections and he is co-credited on that song (i.e., perhaps Levon started working on the song during the Big Pink sessions and Robbie helped him finish it later, or vice versa with Robbie starting it)? I really don't know anything about the formation of these songs, other than from Hoskyns' & Levon's books...I'd be curious as to any thoughts or insight on this.

Posted on Thu Oct 19 17:28:43 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-ta053.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.43)

franko

Subway Series, Subway Series, Subway Series, blah, blah, blah. As a Bostonian all I can do is hope for a transit strike. Remembering Rick Danko's words "cheaters never prosper, and losers never win" from Take Me Up To The Ballgame, I guess I'll have to hope the Mets win.

Posted on Thu Oct 19 16:34:16 CEST 2000 from stk-pm1-52-180.dialup.slip.net (207.171.230.180)

Guenevere

GO METS!!!!!!!

Posted on Thu Oct 19 16:20:45 CEST 2000 from spider-th051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.66)

Don Pugatch

Visited the Cotton Club last Friday and did see a great new Blues group, North Mississippi All Stars, worth staying up till 1 AM, and they were still going when we left. Cotton Club, basement enviournment, perfect open space to rock with Levon and the BB. Holds about 1000. One aspect that we do right here is opening shows to under 21. Unlike other States, like Colorado, where it is 21 or not allowed in, you can see great shows at 18, and if you want to be in the minority like me, they do not even ask you for your ID, just slap the blue ribbon on your wrist and straigt to the bar.

Posted on Thu Oct 19 15:58:37 CEST 2000 from dhcp58207.sunyocc.edu (204.168.58.207)

El Massif Mohammed Shirief

TURBAN? Because; everyone knows that Richard was a closet "SAND DANCER" and part time "CAMEL JOCKEY".

Posted on Thu Oct 19 14:56:24 CEST 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

Everyone knows.., Any TRUE Band fan is a Mets fan..,

Lil--Was Rick a baseball fan and if so, what team?

Posted on Thu Oct 19 14:26:38 CEST 2000 from cacheflow.nettally.com (199.44.53.3)

Brent

Yankees vs. Mets- talk about the lesser of two evils (for a Braves fan)! Oh well, it looks to me like the Braves' glory days have come to an end.

No offense meant to the artist, because I love the paintings, but can anyone explain why Richard looks like he's wearing a turban in the painting on the home page?

Click the link above to check out the freshly updated Rumor web site!

Posted on Thu Oct 19 12:58:20 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp119.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.119)

Diamond Lil

Hmm...looks like America's favorite pastime (not mine however) has taken over the guestbook. I never could get into baseball (well ok...the players pants are nice :-) but my Dad has been a die-hard fan for as long as I can remember. One of his favorite memories (and he doesn't have too many left unfortunately) is living around the corner from Ed Kranepool when I was growing up, and getting alot of free tickets to Mets games. Never really interested me much (although I did have my very first beer..with my dad..at Shea Stadium).

Not sure why I posted this, except that Alzheimers has pretty much incapacitated my dad now, and I guess it means something for me to remember, even when he can't anymore. In fact, I think I'll call him today and remind him of that nice memory that he always treasured.

Again, I know this wasn't Band related, but then again..neither were the last 6 or 7 posts in here. Thanks though, for giving me a memory to smile about. I hope my dad will smile too.

Thanks for listening. Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Thu Oct 19 08:00:03 CEST 2000 from 1cust157.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.157)

rollie

Go Yankees! My great Uncle, BoBo Newsom pitched for the Yankees at one time Sammy! checkout the history books. he also pitched a no hitter in a World Series for the Detroit Tigers, AND LOST!!!!! in the tenth inning!

Posted on Thu Oct 19 06:58:04 CEST 2000 from 1cust24.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.142.24)

Crabgrass

That "cyber-squatting" decision against the holder of madonna.com is bunk. Click on above "Web page" - quite interesting.

BTW all this talk of American baseball may very well be a violation of the Norwegian Internet Laws. (At least, I hope so!!) Where are those damn Norwegian Internet Police when you really need them??

Posted on Thu Oct 19 06:27:15 CEST 2000 from wc1-int1.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.200.214)

WS Walcott

Hey Bayou Sam, whats a guy from Long Island doing cheering for a team from the Bronx? Shouldn't you be cheering for the Islanders? Its hockey season. We'll send Marty McSorley down to take take care of those Yankees. I think he could beat Canseco if he was allowed to use his hockey stick.

Posted on Thu Oct 19 06:23:20 CEST 2000 from wc1-int1.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.200.214)

WS Walcott

Okay, it'll be a sweep. Get yer Ya Yas, I mean yer brooms out. New York in 4!

Posted on Thu Oct 19 06:21:19 CEST 2000 from wc1-int1.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.200.214)

WS Walcott

My prediction for the World Series. New York in 6!

Posted on Thu Oct 19 06:18:02 CEST 2000 from wc1-int2.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.200.230)

WS Walcott

Well, my Tigers are one of the worst teams in baseball. Maybe next year. Personally I don't care who wins the World Series. As long as its not New York!!!!!!

Posted on Thu Oct 19 05:54:26 CEST 2000 from gdh2-130.twcny.rr.com (24.92.249.48)

Dr. Pepper

Hope you liked the tapes. You know who you are. Yankees in 6. I hope Clemens pitches in Shea so he goes up to bat with that Mets catcher behind him (P something forget the last name). This is going to be great! Randy, dont you think so? AP, no doubt is pumped too!

Posted on Thu Oct 19 04:30:51 CEST 2000 from spider-wm033.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.163)

Bayou Sam

YANKEES - YANKEES - YANKEES. for those of you who are into baseball and are not in the NYC area, I wish you could be here. This place is on fire with subway series fever.It's the first one since 1956. Being Bronx born I am all Yankees of course. I drove past both Yankee, and Shea Stadiums in my travels today. They were both like the quiet before the storm. Sorry about the non-music post for those who don't care about the series. Thanks.

Posted on Thu Oct 19 01:27:30 CEST 2000 from m198214190216.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.190.216)

Pehr again

Go Yankees! Mets are pond scum!

Posted on Thu Oct 19 01:25:04 CEST 2000 from m198214190216.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.190.216)

pehr

I meant to get back to y'all on this one, that of Garth's appearence on the new LEROI Bros. record.

The Record is called "Kings of the Catnap". Garth is on track #5, called "Someday". I picked it up at a Leroi show on tuesday. This cut you just gotta hear. It's a slow, introspective ballad, very sparse, with Garth doing some of his trademark amazing things on organ and accordion. Of course it is beyond description, suffice it to say that it is Garth at the top of his game, there is no one else that plays this way. As genuinely creative as Garth Hudson's approach to music is, he also is so receptive to the other sounds going on it is just, fantastic. It's hard to tell where the accordion and the organ are, they just melt into the song as if they were there since creation. Casper Rawls plays a beautiful guitar solo, very much in the spirit of RR's type of groove back in his "Hudsonian" classic era we all love.

I played the cut about 10 times in a row when I got home. Tues. and several times since. It's a good RocknRoll record all through, but Garth Hudson if you ever read this, well, thanks for another amazing job.

Also guesting on the record are Cindy Cashdollar, Ian McLaghan, Buck Owens, and Jimmie Vaughan.

The Record is available on Rounder, #82161-9037-2. It is dedicated to the memory of Doug Sahm.

Posted on Wed Oct 18 23:20:53 CEST 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

Spawn of Satan.., Please-------LET"S GO METS!

Posted on Wed Oct 18 23:11:03 CEST 2000 from c857649-a.blfld1.ct.home.com (24.2.135.114)

AHROOO!!

In regards to the Agrigento show, I'd have to agree with Peter on this. The sound doesn't seem as if it were overdubbed. The drumming and bass are very prominent and so are the vocals.

The other concert in Italy, Del Maggio(sp?) which includes "Ghost Dance" and "I Shall Be Released" has to be an outdoor venue because the mics have a lot of echo to them and the sound isn't so confined as you would find with an indoor arena or auditorium. It's hard to explain but normally I think you would understand the difference.

The Seville concert from Spain is really poor. I have the whole thing on tape and some performances on a bootleg (not with Robbie on it though). The sound is very hollow. I don't know if it's because its an outdoor venue or what. The bass playing on most if not all performances sound tinny at best. Their mics went off a bit at times. I don't think Seville was the best place to hold a concert of this size seeing as though they had problems. At best it sounds small, as though they should have staged this at a smaller place. I wonder how many concerts have been staged at Seville?

AHROOO!!

Posted on Wed Oct 18 22:43:55 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-td033.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.163)

bob wigo

MattK: The bar band and all that went with it was pretty much dead and buried in these parts some twenty years ago. I clearly recall ( I think ) a time when our local watering holes featured live music Tuesday thru Sunday, week in and week out. The area was teeming with terrific local talent as well as some pretty good road shows. I'm sure Levon could tell us all some great stories about his time playing the club circuit and I can recall Roy Buchanan packing a place like the T-Bar just a few miles from here.

Several factors have contributed to the decline but two have affected the most change:

1)Strict enforcement of DWI laws

2)AIDS

While citing these two issues as factors in this decline may feel a bit uncomfortable, anyone who has been in the business over the last twenty-five years will tell you that there is no question about the impact they have had on our social habits.

Please don't mistake my perspective here. The obvious upside of stricter DWI enforcement and the obvious human tragedy that is the AIDS epidemic don't need my words to give them weight. I am merely pointing towards a rather "benign" ( in the bigger picture ) side effect.It is a sad side effect of these and other circumstances that the outlets for developing musicians and bands have been choked down dramatically. I understand that there are still some wonderful venues out there but, trust me, it's nothing like it used to be.

A lifelong friend and wonderfully talented professional musician passed along a humorous aside after a discussion on this very same topic--- "the wedding bands sure as hell have a gotten a whole lot better ! "

Posted on Wed Oct 18 22:36:42 CEST 2000 from grmn-105ppp85.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.85)

Diamond Lil

This is not Band related, but it is music related. I hope someone in the Massachusettes (Boston) area can help me.

I'd like to get my son tickets to see the Bosstones (his very favorite band) for his birthday this year. They play in Boston (their hometown I believe) every year in December..but only 1 show is for "under 21"..and has been sold out _fast_ the past 2 years I've tried. If anyone can help me get tickets to that one show, I'd be very grateful. Please e-mail me if you can help. Thanks.

Ok..gotta say something Band related now I suppose. Don't forget to order your Garth t-shirt. They're wonderful!

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Wed Oct 18 21:34:37 CEST 2000 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

G-MAN: Thanks for responding but I'm still confused. Robbie performed two songs LIVE in Buffalo at possibly a Native American fundraiser?? WOW! PLEASE....more details.

I'm not sure if people in here saw this, but Robbie's voice on Letterman when he performed "Unbound" was great. Seville '92 did seem a little shaky, but I enjoyed the version of "What About Now".

Peter Viney: Tell me about "I Shall Be Released" ? My copy of Italy '95 does not include it. Was it the same concert? Is this where Elvis Costello joined him?

Posted on Wed Oct 18 21:30:54 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

GO RED SOX....*sigh* It's hard to root in a World Series when both teams are the spawn of Satan...alas.

Cam, one problem for the under-21 crowd has been the death of the small and medium-sized venues for concerts. In the past, every city had concert venues for under 5000 (much less under 1000) people that could showcase up and coming bands or groups that simply did not enjoy the mass-marketed appeal that a stadium or arena show requires to be financially feasible.

Places like Winterland, the Fillmores, etc once could be found in every decent sized city. These days, they've been replaced - as old theaters and skating rinks that were converted are closed - all that's left for groups like the Barnburners are bars that need the alchohol sales to offset the costs of putting on the show, much less make a profit.

Unfortunately, cokes and ginger ale don't allow clubs to make enough $$$ to make putting on an all-ages show worthwhile.

The only alternative is to charge higher ticket prices, which then results in less attendance, especially when you are talking about a demographic with less disposable income.

This is, unfortunately, why clubs these days are increasingly moving to DJ's and karaoke type events for entertainment. It's even effecting your local bar band, as even the local watering holes have become more and more reluctant to book bands.

Ask any working musician, and they'll tell you that it's becoming increasingly difficult to book even small gigs that pay enough to make being a pro possible. I think this is one of the more dire outcomes of an increasingly image driven entertainment mentality (via MTV and image bands like N'Synch, etc).

What the suits don't realize, in the long run, they are cutting their own throats. More and more, young people are becoming more and more image conscious, and rather than making "consumers for life" out of music fans at an early age, they are re-enforcing the concept of a disposable entertainment that cannot sustain itself.

A lot has been made by the RIAA of the drop in college record sales in the past 10 years. Napster has provided a nice boogeyman recently, but the fact is sales have been dropping since the late 80s, in part because the net result of the current corporate music structure is in generating a populace that places a value on music as little more than a diversion, or a soundtrack or ambience to a given "scene" or image.

This fact was driven home in stark reality for me when I lived in DC recently. Up here in New England, people will come out to hear a band and to enjoy the experience of listening or dancing to music. It's truly interactive. Down in DC, the function of most bands is to provide a backdrop:

Down there, in many clubs, the band may be a blues band, but they are only there because the bar has marketed itself as a "smokey jukejoint" and the clientle come to be seen or chat in a "smokey jukejoint" wallpapered environment - not out of an innate love of the music. It ends up making you feel like a flesh and blood jukebox as opposed to a musician practicing his/her craft.

Obviously, this is something of a generalization, but it represents a trend that I've seen increasingly over the last 10 years that has me very worried about our collective culture in the US. There was a time when music and musicians were unique, not because they "sounded like [insert group or style here]."

If this keeps up, I'm not sure where our musical culture, which may be the US' single greatest contribution to the global culture, will end up, other than regurgitation and homgenization.

matt

Posted on Wed Oct 18 20:29:30 CEST 2000 from spider-tj063.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.203)

butch

THANKS BILL for the GURUS update,,, i am going down to NYC to help out Rando & Weider (& Mal & Jeremy,,,,),,,,, it will be a FUN show,,,, so support theGURUS,,, put yo money where yo mouth is,,, & WATCH !!! or tape for you westcoasters & internationals,,, CBS - TV 9 - 11 am, ( around 10 is this segment ) ck it out,, these guys ROCK !!!! butch GO YANKEES !!!!!!!!

Posted on Wed Oct 18 20:03:33 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

In response to Cam's posting -- Levon's appearance at the Cotton Club in Atlanta is advertised as an 18 & over show. I can sympathize with the youngbloods who would like to see him play, but unfortunately, when performances are at clubs that serve alcohol, certain rules are applied due to local ordinances. This is an especially sensitive situation here in Atlanta, where in recent years several young people have died after a "night on the town". As a result, the local authorities and certain neighborhood groups have blamed the nightclubs, rather the irresponsible behavior of the individuals involved, and attempted to curtail the operation of the clubs. In order to keep their license to stay in business, the clubs in turn must enforce strict rules to protect themselves from liability. Such are the times we live in now. Things have changed a lot since the old days when a certain group of young men cut their teeth playing in some rough joints with Ronnie Hawkins.

Posted on Wed Oct 18 19:11:43 CEST 2000 from csiewert.student.princeton.edu (140.180.130.73)

Cam

Can somebody please tell me why, oh why, does every club Levon/BB play enforce a "strict 21+ policy"??? I guess I'm in the minority with my little problem here, but every time I try to plan to go see him, I find out the club is only 21 and over. I'm almost there, but not quite. Can I get some sympathy, please? These guys were 19-20 when they started playing with the Hawks, right???

Posted on Wed Oct 18 19:04:07 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

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Posted on Wed Oct 18 18:39:37 CEST 2000 from du66-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.66)

Ilkka

OK, Mattk , as long as I have the opportunity to share the same cell with you.

"...I heard someone asking, please Mister Mattkjangles, dance (yeah dance!)..."

Posted on Wed Oct 18 17:57:08 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

LEVON HELM & THE BARN BURNERS at The Cotton Club in Atlanta, Sunday November 12th. The Cotton Club is the downstairs room at the Tabernacle, located at 152 Luckie Street (west on Luckie between Peachtree St. & Centennial Olympic Park) in downtown Atlanta. Plenty of parking lots in the area. Advertised ticket prices are $13 (advance) and $15 (day of show). Ticket info line: (404)688-1193. tickets available at Ticketmaster & box office during club hours. Info also available on website at: www.atlantaconcerts.com

The show is being advertised locally as "Levon Helm (formerly of The Band)".

Posted on Wed Oct 18 17:16:24 CEST 2000 from (149.160.22.64)

Knockin' Lost John

HEy!!! ANbody Know how I can get my hands on the new "PORT DOVER" Boot? Mr. Katz? Perhaps? If so, PLEASE email me. Thanx

Posted on Wed Oct 18 16:16:47 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Thanks, Bashful Bill, for the info on Jim & the Gurus' upcoming TV spot...and if you are setting your VCR for that program, you can tape over last night's Conan O'Brien show, which unfortunately did NOT feature Levon w/ Guy Davis (perhaps because of the Yankees game delay, O'Brien's house band played the only musical number). Sorry for anyone that I misled.

Posted on Wed Oct 18 16:08:07 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

Mattk

Illka, based on what I read there, I don't think there's any threat to what Jan does here (though I'm admittedly no lawyer). I am pretty well versed in the US' privacy endeavors, and much of what I see in the Norwegian law you reference mirrors the US law on such matters - though obviously certain entities and references to agencies change.

Like the US law, the Norwegian law seems to relate to securing personal data and providing a standard to guarantee that data's integrity to protect the individual whose data is captured, or create an infrastructure to help guarantee the veracity of people on systems where such data is captured. However, I don't think this would apply to this site as NO personal data is collected, beyond the e-mail address when posting. Should Jan decide to implement a GB that requires login registration to participate, then this law would be more applicable, I think.

Specifically, I reference the following:

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Personal identity numbers and other clear means of identification may only be used in the processing when there is a objective need for certain identification and the method is necessary to achieve such identification.
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Clearly there is no need for the "objective processing" since the association of individuals to unique "personal identification numbers" is necessary or required on this site.

Again, I'm no lawyer, and I certainly have no understanding of Norwegian law, but again, it seems that it would be stretch for Jan to be culpable as this site is currently configured.

matt

Posted on Wed Oct 18 15:56:37 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

Maybe this is stating the obvious, but isn't logical that Robbie's vox on his solo stuff would necessarily be better than his attempts at singing old Band tunes? After all, The Weight was written with completely different vocal ranges and styles in mind (Levon, Richard, Rick) whereas most of his solo material was written with the understanding the HE would be singing them. Therefore, naturally, "Go Back to Your Woods" would sound better when he sang it - written in his range, with his strengths and limits in mind, as opposed to The Weight, which was written to be handled by more versatile and technically accomplished singers, like Levon and Rick. I've always defended RR's singing, particularly on his solo stuff (though Out of the Blue makes me very happy). I've always felt that during his Band days, RR's main influence as a singer was Richard, whereas, he expanded his vocals quite a bit to include the lower range and a great speaking voice in his solo material.

Incidentally, putting on my wanna-be producer hat, I'd love to see a Richard tribute album someday. It would be something to hear Little Jimmy Scott sing "Tears of Rage."

Posted on Wed Oct 18 14:10:02 CEST 2000 from du106-4.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.4.106)

Ilkka

People who are interested in Norwegian law can have their fun by visiting following site: www.datatilsynet.no (Act of 14. April 2000 No. 31 relating to the processing of personal data).

Posted on Wed Oct 18 13:40:40 CEST 2000 from spider-tr043.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.193)

Bashful Bill

Band purists who don't think there was a Band since Nov. 76 may discard this post, but all other fans of good music take heed:Jim Weider & Randy Ciarlante and the rest of the Guru's will be on the CBS early show between 9 & 11 AM this Sat 10/21. It won't be like seeing them live, probably they will only play 1 or 2 songs, & it will be taped on Fri, but as Ruby, Rick S. Pat, Max, G-Man & Donna & many others are aware, they are a hot unit who deserve support. And speaking of Rick S my downstate friend, I'm waiting to hear your reply re my proposed wager on the upcoming historic Subway Series. The gauntlet has been thrown down my friend, are you (secretly) afraid to pick it up?

Posted on Wed Oct 18 13:18:54 CEST 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

I'd like to think RR didn't have to "dress up" his vocals. I'd like to see/hear that show. About two weeks ago I saw RR on an SNL rerun playing "the weight"--his voice was weak at best. He was into it-really trying his best, but his voice was cracking and fading as he tried to hit the higher notes. If I recall, his stint at the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame concert was no great shakes either, but the time I saw him on Letterman singing "Go Back to Your Wood(s)?" he was right on.

Posted on Wed Oct 18 12:36:24 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-150.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.150)

Peter Viney

Agrigento: Yes, Robbie’s singing IS very good. In fact, “Ghost Dance” is actually better than the studio version, powerful and assured. I thought this was broadcast live on RA1 in Italy? (which is why tapes were quite widely available in Europe). If so, there couldn’t have been overdubbing. The whole thing is very present with typical live attributes such as the bass being very loud in the mix. He does have a very good collection of singers with him (Ulali, the Coolidges) and that may have lifted his performance. On the evidence of Ghost Dance, I don’t think anyone would criticize RR’s live singing. The more hesitant voice on Golden Feather makes me hope it’s real. But, on the evidence of ROA, BTs, Watkin’s Glen AND TLW, overdubbing would not surprise me either! And of course live shows by the likes of Michael Jackson are often “DAT-lifted” so it might be “pre-dubbed” (?). I’d prefer to think his live voice is getting better.

Seville 1991 is an interesting one. On video, RR is so obviously extremely nervous, that his vocal deficiencies are apparent. Try listening to it on audio only and it’s much better, because the backing singing blends into the mix more and your eyes aren’t taken to the nervous face. Taken as a whole, Seville is great because (as at Agrigento) the backing singers, Bruce Hornsby, Ivan Neville and the Mardi Gras indians support so well. Robbie’s concerts have had four backing singers as a minimum, so that on The Weight from Seville, you get the “Wow! It’s RR” on verse one, which is a bit shaky, then you get superbly taken verses from the others. What’s more, there has been a lot of care taken with the arrangement, which doesn’t just follow The Band version. And when he plays the opening guitar part you instantly know it’s Robbie, not anyone else playing his notes. You also can’t fault the backing musicians. Manu Katche and Tony Levin are a great rhythm section. The same with “I Shall be released” from Agrigento where Robbie sings verse one very well, then hands over to the Coolidges.

As concerts, performances, evenings out, I think most of us would have been delighted to attend either event. They were visually well-staged as well, something The Band itself never seemed to bother with much. Which is why I wish he’d do a concert occasionally.

Posted on Wed Oct 18 01:00:56 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-tb064.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.49)

Tenderfoot

There's an EBAY auction for the ROOSEVLT STADIUM disc closing soon and it looks like the price is right. I've never heard this, though. So maybe you folks in the know can tell me: yes? no? good? bad?
rHow does it compare to WATKINS GLEN or the BLUE HIGHWAYS boot, which I have heard?

Posted on Wed Oct 18 00:54:46 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

Amanda, Jan is also not subject to US law. It's one of the ridiculous aspects of old school lawyering trying to keep up with the internet. Publishing standards don't work here. This is one of the reasons GATT has so much scary power. For example, Madonna won a "cybersquatting" ruling in the World Court recently against a guy who held "madonna.com" as a URL. She was able to prove copyright infringement and the court ruled that the URL be transferred to her.

It's worth noting, here, that the guy who held it had used the URL as a porn site address and was clearly out to make a buck. One wonders if she would have had success with a maker of religious Madonna reproductions. Interestingly, Yahoo recently won a similair injunction against a South American company that was running a URL with the word "yahoo" in it as a pet info/sales site. Turns out "Yahoo" is a word for dog in the specific country (I don't recall which). In this case, it seems the court has overstepped on behalf of a corporate agent - such a ruling seems culturally insensitive at best.

Anyway, all this is a long-winded way of saying that I don't think Jan is in any trouble with the State of Florida. I am curious about the cryptic remark from our Finnish friend. Perhaps Norway consider's the server's to be gov't or public property...

matt

Posted on Wed Oct 18 00:53:43 CEST 2000 from h0000f8718e9a.ne.mediaone.net (24.128.16.201)

Long Distance Operator

I got it from a reliable source that Marty DeBergi is an amalgam of names of famous directors.

Marty for Mr. Scorcese, of course, who the character chiefly resembles; "De" is for Brian DePalma, I believe; the "Berg" for Steven Spielberg, naturally; and the "i" for all those directors whose names end in "i" (Fellini, etc).

Posted on Wed Oct 18 00:04:17 CEST 2000 from (130.195.196.201)

Amanda

WARNING: Law Bore Alert!! This is GB relevant but it's non music related so scroll on by if you aren't interested

I don't know about Norwegian law. (Are they the country that has very restrictive drinking laws or is that Sweden??) Anyway, I've just been whiling away my work day wondering if I've ever noticed any laws that I'm aware of broken in the GB & nothing is immediately obvious….maybe some copyright infringements when people quote lyrics too extensively and uncreditted?? A while ago there may have been some issues with obscenity and harassment of individuals. I believe "cyberstalking" might be an offence in some places but I don't know any details for sure…interesting…

The whole internet-law thing seems to be a grey area at best. I found the following food for thought:

"In a ruling that challenges online anonymity, a Florida appeals court declared Monday that Internet service providers must divulge the identities of people who post defamatory messages on the Internet.

http://news.excite.com/news/ap/001016/16/internet-defamation

Generally if you transmit or repeat a defamatory statement you are just as liable as the originator of the defamation. However, statements of opinion are not defamatory. And I'd say most, if not all, of the comments that people get upset about around here probably fall within the category of statements of opinion and thus are not defamatory so neither Jan nor his employer could be held liable for them.

Posted on Wed Oct 18 00:01:35 CEST 2000 from du131-221.ppp.gu-anst.tninet.se (195.100.221.131)

Markku (Quos)

I agree that the Robbie Agrigento show is quite amazing. However, I have always wondered if the broadcasted show was overdubbed? To me, it sounds a bit too good to be true. If one compares Robbie's singing in the Sevilla and various Late Show appearances to that of Agrigento, there is a huge difference. In Agrigento everything is perfect, whereas the others, and especially Sevilla, are not that impressive (to put it mildly). Anyone else noticed this?

Still, I wish he would do more live shows.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 23:56:32 CEST 2000 from stcatherines-ppp109207.sympatico.ca (216.209.112.138)

Richard Patterson

No PETE, I suspect it's just Marti Dibergi fever...

Thanks DAVID P. for the latest on the Man in Black... I mean really, "Why Walk the Line"...? : )...

Posted on Tue Oct 17 23:51:07 CEST 2000 from (130.195.196.201)

Amanda

Don't know if this has come up before but I'm just listening to a new(to me) cd "the church with one bell" by John Martyn and I see it has a cover version of "Small Town Talk" by B Charles and R Danko on it. So far I'm not finding the cd too compelling- its quiet and mellow and makes me think "lounge blues" if there is such a genre- but I suspect it might grow on me with repeated listening.

Staying on the subject of my recent musical explorations on Monday night I went and saw the Jacques Loussier trio. As most you probably know Jacques Loussier is famous for his jazz interpretations of Bach, amongst others. He is touring to commemorate the 250th anniversary of Bach's death. I'm not a jazz or a classical music expert but I thoroughly enjoyed the evening. Jacques Loussier made it all look so effortless & his little dry jokes between the pieces were charming- kind of how I imagine Garth Hudson might be in a solo performance- though I've no idea if that's the case. I also couldn't help wondering, if maybe in an alternate universe where he never met the Hawk, there might have been a Garth Hudson trio specialising in jazz interpretations of Bach.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 23:07:21 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-008.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.8)

Peter Viney

In my last post I typed "Bill Frisell" when I meant "Bill Dillon". i suspect that this is Brawn Daimage.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 22:15:21 CEST 2000 from ws162.desplaines.lib.il.us (38.226.171.162)

Osceola

David Powell: couldn't agree more about Mr. Cash. I didn't know the album was available on vinyl, I'll have to look for it. I really enjoyed his 1997 autobiography "Cash"; amazing story, I couldn't put it down.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 21:54:39 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

Ibsen

To live is to war with trolls.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 21:30:58 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-063.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.63)

Peter Viney

More on this Buffalo show? How come no one here (or, I think, on the RR site) knew about it? RR's solo shows at Seville and Agrigento featured major production, outstanding musicians (Manu Katche, Tony Levin, Bruce Hornsby, Ivan Neville, Bill Frisell etc). Listening to these shows again (as I happened to earlier today) I was struck by the care that went into arrangements and rehearsal - these guys weren't doing a cheerful jam through. An RR solo show is a major event involving major work. If only there had been more of them.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 21:30:11 CEST 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Do you think the mysterious bag that's weighing down our boy in "The Weight" has anything to do with the mysterious something that Bobbie Gentry and Billy Joe McAllister were seen dumping off the Tallahachie bridge? Or maybe the weight has something to do with the burden of being a Capitol Records artist, as both the Band and Bobbie Gentry were at the time? Even the Beatles, also Capitol artists, sang "Boy, you've got to carry that weight a long time."

Or, on another track that I've mentioned before, maybe it's related to the gun that Alexander 'Skip' Spence sang about: "Weighted down by possessions, weighted down by the gun, waited down by the river, for you to come." Which itself must be related to Neil's "Down by the river, I shot my baby." Horrible thought - two Canadian weirdos with guns. More if you count the Band.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 20:55:33 CEST 2000 from webcache2.netdoor.com (208.137.128.32)

Deb

G-Man, what kind of "Native American show"? Was it a fundraiser? If that's the case, then it seems to me that the black tie crowd at the "corporation country club" are the folks from whom to raise money.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 20:47:10 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

Johnny Cash is the flesh & blood definition of country music. His recordings span not only generations, but genres as well. In recent years, he has battled with serious health problems. It is a testament to his spirit & strength, along with his faith and the love of his wife, that he has managed to overcome these obstacles to return to recording. Mr. Cash has just released a fine new album, entitled "American III: Solitary Man", his third with Rick Rubin's American Recording Co.

The album opens appropriately with a cover of the Tom Petty / Jeff Lynne song "I Won't Back Down", featuring Mr. Petty on background vocals & organ. Mr. Petty also sings on the album's title song, "Solitary Man", perhaps the best thing that Neil Diamond ever wrote. Mr. Cash also performs several great original songs, "Field of Diamonds", "Before My Time", "Country Trash" and "I'm Leavin' Now", the latter a duet with Merle Haggard. Several older classics are included, "That Lucky Old Sun (Just Rolls Around Heaven All Day)", "Nobody", "Mary Of The Wild Moor", and "Wayfaring Stranger". Mr. Cash, always a champion of younger songwriters, also covers U-2's "One", Will Oldham's "I See A Darkness" and the Nick Cave / Mick Harvey lament of a death row inmate, "The Mercy Seat".

Accompanying Mr. Cash are such musicians & singers as his wife, June Carter Cash, Norman Blake, Randy Scruggs, Marty Stuart, Sheryl Crow, Will Oldham, Larry Perkins, and Petty side-kicks Mike Campbell & Benmont Tench.

The great songs on this album are wonderfully arranged & recorded, resulting in yet another monument of the talented Man In Black. I highly recommend this album, available on both CD & vinyl.

"The Master of Life's been good to me. He gives me good health now and helps me to continue doing what I love. He has given me strength to face past illnesses, and victory in the face of defeat. He has given me life and joy where others saw oblivion. He has given new purpose to live for. New services to render and old wounds to heal. Life and love go on. Let the music play." -- Johnny Cash (from the liner notes to "American III: Solitary Man" / American Recordings CK 69691)

Posted on Tue Oct 17 20:09:14 CEST 2000 from ip6.buffalo11.ny.pub-ip.psi.net (38.26.224.6)

G-MAN

Bones---What's Bflo ??? A praire cow; next to Niagara Falls; bigger than the whole state of Conn.. Just kiddin! RR was advertised to do his music at an movie show venue. He did two songs and split. He went a corporation country club, the black tie crowd. Hey, that's cool and his choice.!!!!

Posted on Tue Oct 17 19:48:44 CEST 2000 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

G-MAN: What are you talking about? What's Bflo? Robbie did a Native American show recently? I know you have this thing about Robbie, but how do you know it was "half-assed" if you refused to go to the show. Please give us more details!

Jon Lyness: Strange Weather is a good record, certainly worthwhile for Band completists. However, if you can pick up Long Roads by Four Men And A Dog (Dohery's group), do so because I think that is a wonderful record with great work by Garth and Rick.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 19:09:51 CEST 2000 from ip15.buffalo11.ny.pub-ip.psi.net (38.26.224.15)

G-Man

In answer to some of sat's posts!!! Some people don't know what they're speakin on!! Robbie was in Bflo. doing a Native American show several months ago. His best revenge is living well, at the expense of others!!! Glad I refused to go to the show. It was half-assed effort, but ya know---the road's a difficult way of life. Hmmm see in another 24 yrs..Ha Ha Ha

Posted on Tue Oct 17 15:46:19 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

According to the Bob Dylan "Expecting Rain" site, Levon Helm drums with Guy Davis on the Conan O'Brien show tonight. Set your VCR (or your coffee-maker)!

Posted on Tue Oct 17 14:14:04 CEST 2000 from (12.34.17.217)

Johnny Flippo

Just saw (and ordered) Maud Hudson's Garth "Rorshach" t-shirt. It's a gem, Ms. Hudson. Since my only complaint with Breeze Hill is their crappy graphics, I nominate you to be their official art director. You obviously have a boat-load of taste and talent, but then again, I guess that's obvious by the company you keep. Thanks for your effort.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 13:53:43 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-073.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.73)

Peter Viney

Bobby: Making a DVD of the existing TLW is easy. Adding the obligatory directors’ commentary is easy too, DiBergi just sits and watches it and talks. Trailers? Fine. After that it gets expensive. I would assume that they edited a little more than they used, as I posted yesterday, but probably not that much. When extra footage is added in a “Director’s Cut” of older movies, it’s invariably because the producer’s decided to cut FINISHED material out of the original, probably for time considerations, or after previews where people found a movie long. If the director wishes to restore this lost material, you get the director’s cut. There is no evidence that Scorsese either lost any footage, nor if he did, that he wants to restore it. Remember, this isn’t just a block of bits of film of a live concert, it’s a highly-acclaimed MOVIE in its own right with its own ebb and flow. And the movie is Scorsese’s creation. I don’t recall off-hand how many cameras were used for TLW, but you’d then have to assume that all this footage was lovingly stored after rejection .

In Bill Graham’s autobiography, Jonathan Taplin says they had to stand away from the cameras and point them away from the stage for Dylan’s first two songs. And that having filmed the allotted third and fourth songs, Dylan reprised Baby Let Me Follow You down so as to get it on camera. Which means that the first version and Hazel were never filmed at all.

There are recent movies where there are well-grounded suspicions that a “director’s cut” has been worked into the original schedule, simply because of the huge money to be made by (a) releasing the blockbuster on DVD / video (b) re-releasing the “director’s cut” with extra footage three years later. It’s rumoured that such a cut exists of “Titanic” and was always intended. Personally, I’d bet that Star Wars: Episode 1 has an extra ten minutes or so tucked away for a re-release. Note that Lucas has declined to do DVDs, because they know they’ll sell millions of videos, wait two years and then sell DVDs to the people who already own the videos.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 08:21:12 CEST 2000 from pool-63.52.245.82.ipls.grid.net (63.52.245.82)

Bobby Jones

Cork County Cowboy - When your done, send me the bill and I'll buy your next cd.

We know the Last Waltz exists in it's pure form on film. Marty and Robbie both have original footage. Does anyone know what steps it would have to endure to go digital?

My Thoughts:

Now back to the rehashing of events that happened well over 25 years ago. Does anyone feel better with this exit?

The Guest book is about PRIVILEGE not RIGHTS.

On a personal note - LET's GO METS.

Butch - Is there anything we can do to help with the Lakes demise? Can another forum be created to hear the MUSIC? Please let us know.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 08:08:20 CEST 2000 from ool-18bddfcd.dyn.optonline.net (24.189.223.205)

John C.

Been awhile since i last commented, hello to my friends=) I dont know if this has been posted , but, check this out, it's a site for The Band, brand new, at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame site. Enjoy=) ~john

Posted on Tue Oct 17 06:09:45 CEST 2000 from 2cust59.tnt9.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.129.59)

Crabgrass

If it's true that we're close to breaking the Norwegian law here everyday all I can say is they must have some damn tough laws over there!! (And I hope I can't be extradited just for saying so.)

Dylan shouldn't have been worried about "over exposure" but rather "bad exposure." Reynaldo and Clara is an unequivocal bomb. According to Bill Graham, he personally went over to each camera man and gave the order to start rolling which was against Dylan's stated wishes at TLW.

BTW my interpretation of "not saying anything in the GB that you wouldn't say to someone's face" is that this means the person to whom you are addressing the comment NOT paranoia about offending someone who just might happen to read it.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 05:13:35 CEST 2000 from user-33qt9h4.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.166.36)

Pat Brennan

BTW, upon re-reading my last post, I don't mean to say that the LW wasn't an extraordinary event. Given the eyewitness accounts that have piled up here at the GB, it obviously was a tremendously moving experience. I'm just commenting on the music from the show compared to the music in the movie. And, it is a great movie.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 04:39:28 CEST 2000 from user-33qtak4.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.170.132)

Pat Brennan

The Last Waltz was not one of the Band's best live shows. Compared to any number of tour 1976 shows, it was in fact somewhat tepid. I've made this point before--the 1976 tour is fascinating in that the group started to do a bunch of new tunes. Acadian Driftwood, Ring Your Bell, Ophelia, Difference, Forbidden Fruit, and Twilight all premiered, and the group was tearing these tunes up. It is unfortunate that the movie serves to emphasize the older material, while their revamped version of Georgia and Acadian Driftwood didn't make the cut. For all the obvious vocal overdubbing--and there are myriad vocal flubs on the boot--Driftwood certainly could have been spruced up.

I agree that Genetic Method/LW Version deserves more space. Heck, give me a movie just about Garth. Where the Band was this beautiful vision of North American music which benefitted greatly from Garth's flavorings, the Genetic Method consistently sailed into the deepest recesses of man's musical experience. I know that sounds a bit overstated, but dang. Reels, polkas, atonal scribblings, Copland, Bach, Gregorian chants, cows mooing, Irish/Scotch/Mexican accordian extravaganzas, oh yeah, rock'n roll, all in a few improvised moments. We all repeat the mantra, but that doesn't make it any less true: Garth Hudson is a treasure. But I digress...

Back to TLW. As the show progresses and the guests appear, the playing gets pretty sloppy. I suppose the most obvious example of this is Rick's playing at the beginning of Caravan. He's in the wrong key for most of the first verse and he misplays the chorus the first time through. And although I haven't heard it in a while, I don't recall horns on Don't Do It, even though they turn up on the movie. Also, at that point, the playing is really rough. As per Dylan, I believe they almost didn't shoot him because he was worried about overexposure what with Reynaldo and Clara in the works. I'd say it was a good choice on his part for giving in.

Anyway, we can dream on about a DVD release, but my guess is that we'd only get a bunch of new interviews from those members willing to add something to it. Unless Garth wants to take another four months or so to redo his tracks....

Posted on Tue Oct 17 04:05:38 CEST 2000 from spider-tm062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.72)

Mike

I've recently been watching "Roy Orbison -- A Black & White Night," the live show from the Cocoanut Grove (Los Angeles) back in 1987. I was just wondering if any of you ever heard Rick sing any of Orbison's songs. Rick did have such a distinctive, soaring high tenor. In my mind I can hear him singing "Dream baby," "Only the Lonely," even "Ooby Dooby." The way Rick did "Chain Gang" on his last CD was great. I would like to have heard him do some Orbison stuff. Anyone?

Posted on Tue Oct 17 03:06:04 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-112-181.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.112.181)

BWNWITennessee

Okay, here's a thought about the Last Waltz. If apparently the whole movie was basically overdubbed (I don't have the complete LW, the one store I heard had a copy sold it by the time I got there), how come it sounds so great while Islands sounds so terrible? I always heard that from Northern Lights and after that it was impossible to get anyone in the studio, and that no one had any interest in really doing anything Band-related. If that's the case, how come the Last Waltz sounds so good? I don't expect an answer or anything, I'm just thinking out loud.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 02:13:27 CEST 2000 from spider-wa024.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.29)

Dave Z

Peter V: I'd like to see additional interviews in a DVD version of TLW too... especially some studio stuff with Garth... and Richard... in order to balance minutes or playing time if you will... and maybe some Hawks clips (for those not in the know the movie really doesn't make it clear that there was a good Hawks period)... I mean what's too keep Robbie and Marty from incorporating stuff not shot by Marty back then too... assuming legal and financial issues could be worked out... and maybe there's even a place for Levon and Garth to give a perspective from today... and set the record straight in their eyes so to speak... If closure and healing are possible then maybe DVD is a possible avenue... I also think it would be neat if they could maybe include all of the Genetic Method but pan away to a drive in NY concluding at Big Pink... finally, edit out some of the Dylan stuff... and maybe replace it with different Dylan cuts... didn't Marty film all of Dylan?... Or do something like that so I have a reason to keep my existing version of the movie... and not have to throw it in the same spot where my non-reissue CDs now lay...

Posted on Tue Oct 17 02:12:24 CEST 2000 from rochester-ip-2-78.dynamic.ziplink.net (209.206.93.78)

Liz

Hi there, well Rollie and Donna I must congratulate you on your engagement, sad thing is its fake, and mine was real, imagine that.....has anyone here really met the people they speak with ? I have and some of this is not very funny....that said

Jan Happy Birthday thanks for posting the Winterland( First Band gig) article I sent you, I wonder if anyone ever read it ? and Rollie thanks for making me continue to play, Also " Lighten Up McGraw" was just a stupid 80s song those from the south, would remember QUICK DRAW McGraw.ok and now...lets trade live tapes of Rick Danko and the BAND ........Play On its not a sin, and please Keep listening, the e mail is real BTW

Posted on Tue Oct 17 02:01:18 CEST 2000 from user-33qt84n.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.160.151)

Pat Brennan

Sorry for the delay, but a documentary I've been working on for the past five months, "Raise The Hunley" is about to premiere on The History Channel. It's about the Confederate submarine Hunley.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 01:39:01 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-tb061.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.46)

Long Distance Operator

Just checking in to offer my heartiest endorsement to the final Rick Danko effort, "Times Like These". Oh man, that voice. I bought it last night, and I'm listening to it for the 5th time already. A posthumous gem from the Rick-Man.

When Rick was born, the angels sang. Rick sang harmony.

Posted on Tue Oct 17 00:44:59 CEST 2000 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Mike Nomad

Neil, from Simcoe: Thnx muchly for the Silverthorn article. A great read. Wish there were others like it. One question, though. Where did the article appear? The Expositer? Just wondering.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 22:53:33 CEST 2000 from (158.72.107.232)

SteveH

I have strange message to post. About 1976 I met a Band fan at a chateau in Mauny France. He said he played organ and Garth Hudson was his main man. He was, I think, from Chicago. If he reads this Guestbook, he'll remember being in "Moony." I've always wondered if he stayed at the Chateau or left, like I did. If you read this, let me know.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 22:44:15 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Just curious if anyone out there has Kevin Doherty's Strange Weather album, and can let me know if it's worth picking up? I like the songs he's written for the Band & Crowmatix (Don't Wait, Restless Islands) enough that it seems like a sure thing, but...Any opinions appreciated. Thanks all.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 21:32:53 CEST 2000 from (205.229.211.2)

Bill Paige

Many months of lurking prompt me to thank all the regulars for their erudite back-and-forth -- always entertaining!

Chicago-area Band fans should know THE CROWMATIX will be at Fitzgerald's in Berwyn on WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 25. Aaron "Prof. Louie" Hurwitz and Company will be on Steve & Johnnie's WGN-AM radio show for an on-air 'record release party' the night before, Tuesday after 11 p.m.

ALSO: The Band Ensemble of the Old Town School of Folk Music will celebrate the end of the current semester by performing the entire "Music from Big Pink" album (plus a few surprises) on Sunday, October 22, 6-8 p.m., at the original Old Town School location on Armitage (about two blocks West of Halsted). If you are in town and would like more information about this FREE event, please e-mail me!

FINALLY: I have forgotten who posted/authored the "We Can Talk (About the Feud)" song parody, but THANKS!; I sang it in the above mentioned class and all were amused. I did change a few words to make it less Guest Book-centric.

Jan, I add my sincere thanks for creating and maintaining this site and my belated b-day wishes as well!

Posted on Mon Oct 16 21:29:32 CEST 2000 from spider-tk032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.187)

jane the pain

Hey Rollie Donna eh. I think You will leave a lot of dissapointed babes behind

Posted on Mon Oct 16 21:02:18 CEST 2000 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

Peter Viney: Thank you for the Band/Jazz article! I really enjoyed it (got my mind back on the music now). I wanted to add that the great Lee Konitz did a cover of "Moon Struck One", which I think you would really enjoy because the lyrics are omitted. Also, Robbie and David Sanborn recently played "Dixie" on Good Morning America.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 20:53:55 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-051.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.51)

Peter Viney

Pat’s right. The reissues series demonstrates that The Band had an unerring ability to choose the best – fascinating though the outtakes might be, I don’t think anyone would argue for their inclusion on the original albums. The same is true for TLW. When you look at the Complete TLW boot, the CD and the video, the choices seem obvious. Drama (the guitar strap) means you’d choose Further On Up the Road over All Our Past times. Song quality gives us Helpless over Four Strong Winds. Coyote was great – Joni’s other two were awful. Muddy Waters – they chose the best song. Acadian Driftwood was interesting, but didn’t do the song justice – it was too subtle for the context. They should have more of Van on Tura-Lura-Lura. The other real candidate might be Down South in New Orleans. The fact that they polished it up for the CD, might just mean that they worked on the film too (or if they hadn’t, it wouldn’t be too hard). For sure, they have a lot more interview footage than they used. The limited extracts from Don’t Do It probably mean that they edited the whole song too. But, I fear, that would be the extent.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 20:38:34 CEST 2000 from user-33qt98j.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.165.19)

Pat Brennan

As has been documented here before, due to a bad hum caused by some poorly located lights, Garth had to overdub every single keyboard part of his that was in the movie. If true, I doubt that Garth would be interested in a DVD version of TLW. Anyway, if you're that interested, copping the boot version of the show and comparing it to the movie will answer the overdub question quite succintly.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 19:36:01 CEST 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Hank: Is it due to advancing years that people get excited at the thought of just SEEING drugs?

Posted on Mon Oct 16 19:16:11 CEST 2000 from du218-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.218)

Ilkka

Remember that all equipment is owned by Mr. Høibergs employer, Østfold University College, as well as the domain HIOF.NO. We are very close to break the Norwegian law here nearly every day.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 19:11:44 CEST 2000 from 209-23-38-66.ip.termserv.net (209.23.38.66)

Diamond Lil

Mattk: With return respect to your last post, let me clarify something. Nowhere did I say that there was any intention of this gb being closed down strictly because of _topic_. Was merely stating that the fate of this place has not been very sturdy in the past few months, and it would be best not to rock the proverbial boat. Intelligent discussion about any topic (yes..even the more passionate ones) is certainly fair game in a forum such as this, but there should be some level of consideration maintained as well. There are real people with real families and real feelings that are being stomped on everytime someone turns an intelligent discussion into a bashing free-for-all. You all can do what you want because frankly, there's nothing more I can say to try and make this any clearer. Perhaps using Jan's words about not posting anything you wouldn't dare say to someone's face is a good thing to remember. Thanks.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 19:00:17 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-176.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.176)

Peter Viney

The idea of a DVD of The Last waltz has been mooted before, and there is an outstanding problem. You can’t just “cut in” the extra footage, as the complete film was (a) an eighteenth month editing & dubbing job, which is skilfully done (b) as Marty DiBergi is a major film director, the integrity of what he put together AS A MOVIE is going to be vitally important, certainly to him. The only possible route would be like the “Special Edition” of This is Spinal Tap, where you have one DVD with the exact original Martin Scorsese movie as shown, then you have the second disc with an hour and twenty minutes of outtakes. In that way, you preserve the integrity of the movie while presenting the rest in a rawer, undubbed version. But even this has technical difficulties. It was a multi-camera set up, and if various songs were rejected early on, for performance reasons (as some certainly were), or because of bad sound quality, then the footage will be unassembled and unedited. So it would still be a major task to edit the different films together. Then you’d have to hunt permissions. Can you see Joni Mitchell agreeing to expose her dire versions of Furry Sings the Blues and Shadows and Light to a wider audience? At least modern technology would render the task of removing Neil Young’s remaining nasal embarrassment much easier in Four Strong Winds. Even co-operation from Garth and Levon would be irrelevant, as it would need to be worth Martin Scorsese (or someone he approved deputising for him) spending a huge amount of time editing the rejected footage. And at this point in time, overdubbing would be out of the question, though I believe the Fly is still available for retakes. Actually I don’t imagine that either Scorsese or RR would be embarrassed by showing the raw versions – they’d probably see it as pointing out what a good job they did in post-production on the main film. I’d guess that the difference in sales between “The Last Waltz” exactly as it is, and one with a bonus disc, would not repay the vast effort needed.

Any confusion between Marty DiBergi and Martin Scorsese above is entirely deliberate. I’ve been spotting TLW moments in Spinal tap.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 18:28:29 CEST 2000 from dialup-287.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.31)

HANK

Phew!!!!!!.......good to be back!!!!....I been very busy giving songwriting work-shops to 15-16 year Irish high-school students last week and now this week..coupled with doing me usual gigs I have'nt been able to log on here as much as I usually do...Yup, Peter Viney....It IS a great pity that Mojo never paid as much attention to the 90ies Band releases as they are to the re-issues.....I remember they gave The Band a great review for a gig they did in New Orleans once, tho' .......I Thought that article that NEIL sent in about Rick was fascinating and wonderful.....I also enjoyed rollies account of TLW post-show parties... Speaking of TLW....It'll be interesting to see if RR, Martin Scorcese or whoever's in charge of it now EVER release an unedited, more footage DVD of the event.........(The Stones are releasing a DVD of "Gimme Shelter" with more footage and more songs....a treat for Stones fans, to be sure).........If they DON'T ever release complete, unedited TLW with full cooperation and input from Garth and Levon.. then can we assume that RR and Martin Scorcese have something to hide??? I'm not ripping on anyone here....just curious.....actually, now that I'm going for it......I think Levon and Garth should work with RR and Scorcese on TLW for Re-release on DVD....and set the record straight for once and for all.....let's HEAR where the overdubs....Let's SEE the Drugs and the backstage hassles.......It might go a long way for clearing up what has been said and mythologized over the years...........any takers? Having said all THAT I still enjoy TLW as a movie........It's a GREAT MOVIE really, as opposed to a documentary.........It's GREAT way of introducing people to The Band......it always will be..........

Thank you to Crazy Chester and Bobby Jones for what you wrote about my album here on The GB.....We're working on a new one for next year.....

Posted on Mon Oct 16 17:42:10 CEST 2000 from spider-tl051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.196)

bob wigo

If anyone from Breeze Hill is looking in --- Is there a problem with the Breeze Hill site today? I've been knocking but I can't get in.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 17:28:19 CEST 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Peter Viney: Nice job on the jazz article. I'll add four tangential points:

1) Richie Knight and the Midknights, a creditable Toronto sub-Hawks group of the mid-'60s, recorded a nice version of "Work Song" in '65, with Richard Bell on piano. Very much in the Hawks style, suggesting it was in our boys' repertoire.

2) Mose Allison's "Fool Killer" was ably recorded by Jericho on their 1970 Bearsville LP. Sung by ex-Hawk organist Gord Fleming.

3) Presumably Rick Danko, in his capacity as co-producer, had something to do with pulling a few jazz vets into the Bobby Charles Bearsville session.

4) Not only did Oscar Peterson play Yonge Street, he also co-owned the Toronto-based School of Modern Music (or some such thing), which trained all sorts of talented locals, including drummer Dave Lewis - later of the Hawks and Jesse Winchester.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 17:09:20 CEST 2000 from (63.212.165.18)

Bayou Sam

Well put MattK - and thanks to those of you who backed me up. I'm not sure though that Jan could actually put out a written set of rules Matt, although your point is well taken. I think you nailed it when you said that as long as we don't muddy the floor and do damage to each other, we're playing "in bounds". I also agree that Jan has handled the occasional problem very well. Most of us understand why he has to do this sometimes. Then we hang out until the bad seed goes away and we can come back. It's always worth the short wait.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 16:07:41 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

Lil, with all do respect to your intent, and recognizing you probably have more regular contact with Jan than I...

HOWEVER, in the past, whenever Jan has threatened, or in one case, actually DID, take the GB down, in each case it was due to abuse of the book.

1) The first time was caused by people posting under each other's name. The GB was closed and Jan instituted the IP tracking and required e-mail for posting. This, along with the temporary shut down seem to have done a good job fixing that problem.

2) A certain someone was continually (some might say obsessively) posting under pseudonyms, fake e-mails, and harassing various posters here (you and me included). She was asked to cease by Jan, which seems to have occurred, fixing that problem.

3) Most recently, the GB was hit by a series of JavaScripts, which rendered the GB useless, created annoyances for people try to use it, and created a ton of needless work for Jan in cleaning it out and getting the GB back up. Jan closed it for a day, added his "no html" filters, and things have been fine since.

It has NOT been my experience, after nearly three years of reading the GB, that difficult, even controversial topics are a threat to a cause a shutdown. Acrimony as well has never been a stated as a danger, at least by Jan himself.

Jan, to my mind, has been quite consistent. Don't be rude or offensive to each other, don't impersonate each other, and don't do anything to the GB itself to make it freak out.

Closing on account of a TOPIC, which some may find to cause anxiety, would essentially be censorship. While this is Jan's "private" site, and he can do whatever he pleases here, my sense is that he's got a pretty libertarian attitude about what goes on here - and values what the free flow of ideas and expressions bring to the GB, even if they do include some baggage.

To summarize the FAQ, as long as we don't muddy the floors or do real damage to each other, then we're playing "in bounds."

That said, rather than reacting to the vague implied threat of what GB member may FEAR. Let's ask the man himself:

Jan, can you, once and for all, tell us what, if any, topics are off limits (assuming they pertain to the Band)? Is "the feud" by itself or speculation (even with some passion and acrimony) as to it's cause and effect something that is going to make you shut us down?

Personally, I'm weary of hearing from third parties that we're "teetering" or "wavering" on extinction. If we're gonna kick the bucket, I want to know PRECISELY, what disease is killing me.

Matt

Posted on Mon Oct 16 15:16:27 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-033.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.33)

Peter Viney

‘Q Dylan’ also includes a great retrospective on ‘Before the Flood’, ‘Reborn in the USA’ by David Cavanagh, and an article on the basement tapes by Stuart Bailie. Reviews of all the albums. Good account of the IOW festival.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 12:33:10 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-086.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.86)

Peter Viney

May I stumble along to fourth Bayou Sam’s sentiments? I say stumble because I’ve just installed WORT 2001©‘‘“ and things are a little different and the floating pallette keeps disturbing me, but not as much as the slightly wobbly lines of text and weird line spacing after any changes. I don’t think we can really conduct adult discussions on the basis that the relatives of those concerned are sitting there in the room either (and BTW, Robbie has kids too who might also drop in). The Band had a reputation in their 70s touring days and everyone knows that. I also think the latest small discussion of the feud – which started when I mentioned Mojo’s article – was conducted in a sensible way compared to the past.

This is The Band’s month in the media, because the new Q special collectors edition on Dylan “Q Dylan” (following their Beatles one last year) has another major article on the Band, “Obviously Five Believers” also by Andy Gill, who has managed to successfully use the same research twice in the same month (Q and Mojo are stablemates). For example Levon’s comment that Richard sang lead, he himself sang “novelty songs” and Rick sang Sam Cooke is repeated. Nothing on the feud, you’ll be pleased to hear. And Levon is extremely complementary about 1968 Dylan (in spite of the reservations about 65 Dylan). “Bob helped us more than anybody ever did.”. Gill also brings things up to date in a sidebar “What Happened to the Band” which brings in “Times Like these”, Garth’s 1999 Forum concert etc, though it has a couple of inaccuracies.

All in all, it’s clear that if you get a major label reissue, then major articles naturally follow. It’s a shame they didn’t get this much attention for the three 90s albums.

Crabgrass: Your Macy’s bag is an interesting piece of subtext here with it’s faint reminders of Christmas cheer and parades. I can see that a Saks bag would change the song completely, moving it upmarket . How about a brown paper Safeway bag? Would that be more Tim? But does a bag need handles, albeit plastic ones, to sink low? I think so. Being the USA, I think a hardshell case unlikely. When I needed to replace one which Virgin Atlantic broke, I was amazed to find very few around in the US. In the UK, more than half are hardshell. I see him carrying a “Gladstone bag” which has decorated fabric sides, reminiscent of a carpet pattern, popular in the 19th century, and leading to the phrase “carpetbagger” I believe.

You must all know this, but it’s an anecdote told by a Canadian comic on TV last night. He was comparing Canada and the USA at length, and said Canada’s street address was “668”- neighbouring # 666. Anyway, he was living in California, and the first time he met his new neighbour, she commented on him being Canadian. So he said politely, ‘Excuse me, ma’am, but your ice-hockey rink’s melted.’ She replied in total seriousness, ‘No, it’s a pool. We use it for swimming down here.’

Posted on Mon Oct 16 08:25:48 CEST 2000 from spider-tp024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.184)

Bayou Sam

It'll be a beautiful wedding - if Robbie Robertson dosen't break them up:)

Posted on Mon Oct 16 08:20:16 CEST 2000 from on-tor-blr-ahp-13-58.look.ca (209.161.237.58)

Mach Schnell

I congratulate Donna and rollie and look forward to being best man at their wedding. I vus vundering ven The Band would be coming to Germany.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 08:15:53 CEST 2000 from 1cust94.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.94)

rollie

A very important thing has just happened in my life! Thanks to the chat room, I'm proposing to Donna tonight, with Mach Schnell and Sam as our witnesses. She claims her husband will understand, and I ,for one, believe her.Viva la Band!

Posted on Mon Oct 16 07:35:31 CEST 2000 from atmax-2-33.enter.net (207.16.153.89)

Little Brøther

I second Bayou Sam's emotions; third them, actually...

Posted on Mon Oct 16 07:34:11 CEST 2000 from p56c-213.wantree.com.au (203.12.222.213)

Nancy

Thanks for sitting up past your bed time to write those posts Bayou Sam, youve expressed some logical opinions, food for thought. And I ALSO agree with Amanda. The expression "Back to the music" has been tiresome for some time.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 06:20:03 CEST 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Amanda

Hear, hear what Bayou Sam said…

And just one small point of logic if the feud is not "about the music" then neither are lovable anecdotes about the Band members strictly speaking "about the music"…perhaps its time this over-used phrase was retired from the GB as I think when people use it what they really mean is "Stop talking about what interests YOU and talk about what interests ME instead"…ok, I'm shutting up now, really…

Posted on Mon Oct 16 06:08:32 CEST 2000 from spider-tp024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.184)

Bayou Sam

........ just wanted to comment a bit further on part of my last post. If people close to the Band visit this site, I think they should be aware that us fans are just a bunch of people throwing thoughts and opinions around like we were sitting in a bar or a diner somewhere bullshitting. It's not like we are sitting in Mrs. Danko's living room and we're watching what we say so we don't offend anyone. These guys also chose to live life in the fast lane and we sure can't cammoflouge(spelling?) that. These guys were/are saints, sinners, losers, and winners at different times.

I just thought that I was a little flipant (is that a word?) when I said that in the last post and I wanted to ad this. Thanks.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 05:56:14 CEST 2000 from spider-tp024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.184)

Bayou Sam

I'm a little late in weighing in on the fued feud. I thought Ahroo's post was pretty right on and wasn't cruel or disrespectful at all. Also, even though it was a bit strong, BWNWITenn was on the right track. I HAVE to find this MOJO article now. I think that if Levon is even making suggestions about RR somehow being even remotely to blame for RM and RD's deaths - it's a damn shame and makes Levon look pretty sad. That has to put some serious pain in RR's heart, which may be Levon's goal anyway.

Ya know, this "fued" happens to unfortunately be part of the history of the Band at this point, and, as others have already stated before me, if these guys make these comments in print for the world to read then what the hell is wrong with us talking about it in here? I can tell you from Beatle fan experience that it will always come up in discussion when one guy says something - or if two of the band members are seen together, or something like that. The discussion will always revolve back to music 'cause that's what it's all about. If some folks can't stand the fued talk then they should go sweep out the garage or something and come back later. Like it or not - the wonderful Big Pink-clubhouse-5 great friends thing is only a short, wonderful part of this bands history. It's a part we love and the reason I'm sitting here typing this crap at almost midnight when I have to drive into Queens in the morning. BUT - the friggin' fued is now - on Oct. 15, 2000 - a major piece of The Bands history.

BTW - if any of the Bands immediate family visits this site, they should be aware of the fact that us fans will be speaking our minds just as sure as 'ol Levon speaks his.

I can't imagine why Jan would shut this site down just because people are respectfully disagreeing with each other. Sure, an occasional asshole slips in and trys to fire things up but for the most part I think we respect each other and are willing to listen to another view on something. Hell, I even lightened up on my Elvis Costello feelings (I'm still glad that Bonnie Bramlett socked him though :))

BTW - the "sinking bags" discussion went on waaaaaay too long. But it was an amusing diversion.

So which one of you nuts paid $41.00 for the music book on eBay? I stopped bidding when it passed $30. That's just too much.

Allright - everyone have a great day. If you want to.

Posted on Mon Oct 16 04:57:17 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

watching gordon lightfoot live. he's got quite an impressive catalogue. i was wondering , besides dylan being on hand for his induction into the cmhf, are there any other band tie-ins with him?

Posted on Mon Oct 16 04:55:47 CEST 2000 from mplsdslgw10poolb235.mpls.uswest.net (63.228.41.235)

Patrick

Hey people-I changed around my Garth Hudson site a little. I hope you like it! I took out the backround music, because it took so long to load. I've added a floating Garth in the backround to make up for it. Thanks Alot!

Posted on Mon Oct 16 04:27:43 CEST 2000 from 3cust39.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.135.39)

Crabgrass

It seems as though I've made another faux pas in prematurely dismissing the "bags sinkin' low" topic before it ran it's full course. I now realize there is much unmined territory here. The rather recent evolution of the suitcase from it's ancestor the travel bag certainly was enlightening as I had assumed the hardshell suitcase to have been invented during the Stone Age. However, in the context of the "The Weight" I venture to say that neither is correct since Robbie himself has said that the reference to Nazareth is in fact Nazareth, Pennsylvania where the Martin Guitar factory is located thusly indicating that the trip was made in more modern times.

As Tiny Tim was present and even recorded during some of the Basement Tape sessions I surmise that he was the inspiration for the narrator as he always carried his ukelele and assorted paraphernalia around in paper shopping bags and that is was this type of bag (maybe a Macy's or Gimbel's one) that was "sinkin' low." Tim always collected good stuff from the garbage as he roamed the streets and that's probably how he came by his ukelele. Most likely, it was a Martin and he mentioned going to Nazareth to get it repaired to Robbie and the others. Obviously, Richard's high background vocals serve as a nod to Tiny Tim for his contribution to the song's creation.

Posted on Sun Oct 15 21:47:43 CEST 2000 from spider-tm063.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.73)

Mike

Neil from Simcoe...Thanks for your post. I still wish Serge and others who knew the guys in the early days would post similar stories. Any takers?

Posted on Sun Oct 15 21:06:07 CEST 2000 from webcachew05b.cache.pol.co.uk (195.92.198.75)

William Wilson

Excellent site. Viewers may like to know that this month's Mojo magazine has an 8 page feature on The Band titled 'Back To The Land' and a further 2 page article on the making of The Basement Tapes.

Posted on Sun Oct 15 19:56:08 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

bags sinking low, i would think it means, the weary traveller is getting tired and his bags are becoming heavier to him and thus sinking lower. paul, my dad knew robertson's dad, as he was from the same lifestyle. roll high.

Posted on Sun Oct 15 19:12:07 CEST 2000 from user-33qt8g7.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.162.7)

Pat Brennan

The feud is simply about who wrote these songs. How is that not about the music? Or is discussion of the authorship of these songs off-limits?

Again, good taste and common sense should be first-line. I'm not supporting the recent stupid comments about Levon, not do I support the Armani-bashing. However, when the principals in the feud choose to discuss the authorship in print--and in some cases amplify the differences--we can hardly be expected to ignore them.

I realize it is nearly impossible to come down on one side or the other, but the appearance of a major article about the Band that extensively quotes the principals should prompt discussion of what they say.

Posted on Sun Oct 15 18:46:49 CEST 2000 from nic-30-c4-197.mw.mediaone.net (24.30.4.197)

Brian Vargo

I was introduced to the music of The Band through The Last Waltz. Since then my band The Orbitor has included a few Band songs in our set, along with our original music. The Barn Burners rule, I love The Band. I love The Orbitor. www.theorbitor.com

Posted on Sun Oct 15 18:10:03 CEST 2000 from pool-63.52.244.224.ipls.grid.net (63.52.244.224)

Bobby Jones

Hey Cork County Cowboy - Thanks for the great Cd.

In regards to the weight - My bags are sinking low. I feel this is in regards to Travel bags that were used before suit cases. I beleive you had both a steamer trunk and travel bags. A steamer trunk would be used for moving a large amount of clothing/possions. A travel bag would be used to carry a few days of clothing. These bags had no framing and were made of canvas or other heavy fabric, so if there was a great amount of weight in the bag, it would expand the bag so it was very wide at the base. So my bags are sinking low, is because of the weight I'm carrying with me in my travel bag.

In the Re-issued Greatest Hits is a five dollar bebate. It pertains to the purchase of the re-issues. If you by 2 re-issues you write in the upc symbols and sent it away. They mail you $5.00. My suggestion is to buy the Greatest hits for a Christmas present. Ask for the Rebate coupon so you can donate it to a worth while cause. You pick the cause and donate the money. This way you pass on the Bands music and Help some one in need. Isn't this a what the holidays should be about anyway? If you would like more information please feel free to e-mail me.

NOW BACK TO THE MUSIC

Posted on Sun Oct 15 18:03:13 CEST 2000 from csiewert.student.princeton.edu (140.180.130.73)

Cam

Neil--thank you for the great story about Rick. There wasn't, isn't, and never will be anyone like him; it is such a great loss, and he is sorely missed.

Pat: with or without a feud, the music remains the same. To everyone: Just the fact that we're all here and able to appreciate what a treasure The Band was (and is)--and willing to spend time on this GB talking about them--shows that we all understand what has brought us here: the music. We're not doing justice to it, or the brilliant five musicians who created it--regardless of who did exactly what--by getting all wrapped up in these hateful discussions about something we probably don't even entirely understand.

There are so many things to say about The Band and their music--let's stop wasting time on something so negative. A big thank you to Jan for putting up with all of this so patiently.

Close your eyes
Hang down your head
Until the fog rolls away...let it roll away
Open up your arms
And feel the good
It's a-comin', a brand new day.

Long Live The Band.

Posted on Sun Oct 15 17:36:18 CEST 2000 from ct-6-sim-ppp30.kwic.com (209.47.103.232)

Neil

I thought I would try and get everyone to quit bickering in here and remember why most of come here to read this questbook. It is like some of you said, family members do pop in here and check up on things. That is why I come here less frequently, because I get very perturbed with all the bashing.

Anyways, I came accross a newspaper article that I cut out last Janaury 19/00 and would like to share it with you.

This article was written by Glen Silverthorn, a Brantford musician who plays with George Rose Big Band. He last saw Rick Danko during a visit to the Catskills in 1999.

Remembering Rick Danko:

Cleaning out a crawl space in my house Jan 12, 2000, I found a copy of Time Magazine dated Jan. 12, 1970 with a picture of The Band members on the front cover, and a 30-year-old (to the day) article which prompts me to write these memories of Rick. By coincidence, this week I have seen Ronnie Hawkins a number of times on TV.

Having just started teaching Grade 7 at Mount Pleasant Continuation School in the fall of 1959, I received a call from one 16-year-old Rick Danko, who said he heard from Brock Cross - who at the time owned The Tartan restaurant in Simcoe - that I was a drummer. Rick said that he needed a replacement drummer for his Starlights Band.

When I frist met Rick on our farm, I was struck by his enthusiastic, outging attitude. A great smile and huge power of persuasion soon got me to join his band, and rehearsals soon began in various places, including tobacco pack barns. We had Maurice Danko (Jr.) on rhythm guitar and vocals, Don Strugnell on piano. Jim Leach on bass, myself on drums and vocals, and Rick on lead guitar and vocals.

Over the next year and a half, Rick would pick me up in his MG in the evenings and we'd travel all over Norfolk County to Turkey Point, Long Point, Delhi, Port Dover, where he would hustle up jobs for the band. Even at so young in years, he had a way with adults he met; he could make friends and land jobs instantly. We played at Long Point Highlands, Silver Hill Dance Hall, St. Williams Community Hall, Port Dover Yacht Club, Delhi Legion. We played standards as well as old rock'n'roll tunes by Chuck Berry, Chubby Checker, Little Richard, Bo Diddley and others.

Rick, myself and his brothers would often head to Dover on Sunday nights in 1960 to see Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks perform at the Summer Gardens. Rick wanted the band to play there, but we needed to join the Brantford Musicians Association to be allowed to front the American bands playing at the Gardens. Rick arranged for all of us in the band to get inducted on Tuesday night.

Rick had always wanted to play the same night as the The Hawks, and this did happen a number of times, alternating sets with Ronnie. Then came the night that would forever change Rick's life and career. While we were playing our first set, Ronnie, Levon Helm and Rebel Payne came out and mingled with the rest of the crowd to watch us play, and believe me, they were watching and listening intently. Most of their attention was on Rick, and I had a feeling things were going to happen.

At the break, Ronnie asked Rick to come backstage to speak with him. When he came out front, his eyes were wide and he was very excited, telling the rest of us that he'd been offered a job as bass player with The Hawks as Rebel Payne was leaving the band. I remember Rick asking me if I thought he should go. I recall replying that it could affect his life forever, and if he wanted a career in music, perhaps he should give it a try.

Over the next two or three years, I saw Rick with The Hawks play at the The Brass Rail (London), The Grange (Hamilton), and other locations. One year, I believe 1962, after playing at The Concord Tavern in West Toronto, one of those unforgettable Ronnie Hawkins parties took place at a downtown hotel where Ron and Tobin Rote (of Toronto Argonauts fame) were staying. Needless to say, there was lots of laughter, girls, and liquid refreshments. The Argonauts had suffered a loss to the Ticats that night in Hamilton and most team members were drowning their sorrows.

I had unfortunately locked my keys in my car that night, but Rick came to my rescue. By sheer good luck there was a coat hanger on the ground. Rick got the door open and we went to Rick's hotel where I stayed for the night.

When The Hawks of the early '60's left Ronnie to become The Band, Rick got his family and myself tickets for front row seats at the Massey Hall concert in 1965. There was definitely a mixed reaction to this performance. The Band was appreciated, but the die-hard folk fans didn't like Dylan's change to the rock style.

Through the '70's I maintained phone contact with Rick, and we renewed our friendship in person in the 1985 cross-Canada reunion tour with The Cate Bros. It was at Hamilton Place where I remember Rick calling out, "Hey Glen, see you after the show!" I'm afraid I was excited and yelled back, "OK!"

Rick was always a happy-go-lucky, bubbly person who would go out of his way to help or please others. When I saw The Band at Lulu's a few years ago, he insisted on showing my wife and son and myself the group's tour bus, talking about old times and finding out what was happening in Simcoe and Brantford. At this concert, Levon persuaded us to come, a week later, to the Forum at Ontario Place, and he arranged for tickets. Ronnie showed up for this performance and we touched base.

The memorial service for Rick was held Dec. 15, 1999. I regret that I was unable to attend, but I shall fondly remember his caring nature and his enthusiasm for music and life. He will be missed.\

Posted on Sun Oct 15 17:22:21 CEST 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

Pat: You could have fooled me..,

Posted on Sun Oct 15 16:51:37 CEST 2000 from spider-wm066.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.199)

frankie

Can anyone tell me how Rick Danko Died? Thanks.

Posted on Sun Oct 15 16:47:42 CEST 2000 from user-33qt98e.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.165.14)

Pat Brennan

The feud is actually about the music.

Posted on Sun Oct 15 15:51:05 CEST 2000 from proxy1-external.avnl1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.66)

Brien Sz

Just gettin' back into the swing of things.., Been photographing the Adirondacks the last two weeks and the whole time I was cranking RR cd's, Levon and Crowmatix, Rick, Band --all of it! I pop into the ol' GB and find the same ol boring diatribe going on. Come on People --Get Creative.

Screw the Feud---Love the Music

Posted on Sun Oct 15 14:16:24 CEST 2000 from hud1-pm-14-74.termserv.net (204.97.156.74)

Diamond Lil

Dave Z asked a good question several posts back that I just read. Will there be a local replacement venue for Levon and the Barnburners now that Joyous Lake is closed? Does anyone know? Butch? (Hi! :-) Thanks.

Just want to mention that if anyone will be driving here in upstate ny (leaf peepers and Big Pink visitors included)..be really careful of the deer. They are _everywhere_ this year. I hear there are also bears lurking about, although I haven't seen one yet (thank goodness). I did ask my 9 year old son if he'd protect me if we saw one though, and he said " No mom..I'd run like a wimp". Aah kids....you gotta love em!

Have a good day everyone. Hug Mr.H :-)

Posted on Sun Oct 15 10:38:30 CEST 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Amanda

I'm sorry to hear Jan is on the brink of closing the GB. While I hope this never becomes necessary, I believe it is not very difficult to set up an email discussion list at egroups (http://www.egroups.com/ ) so "the community", as such, would not have to die if people wanted to keep it going albeit in a different & not ideal format.

Personally I think the GB is at its most compelling when there is some civilised conflict or at least spirited musty analysis. Part of what makes the GB interesting is the diversity of viewpoints. And whatever anyone claims I doubt many people would stick around long if every post just blandly endorsed with 150% enthusiasm the Band related product of the week.

However…Thanks Little Brother…Nancy- what he said is what I meant and I'll let the subject drop at this point…

Posted on Sun Oct 15 09:03:06 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-115-215.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.115.215)

BWNWITennessee

He's talking about the bags under his eyes from having been up for three days doing favors for Fanny! And actually, according the the library on this here website, the line is "My bag is sinkin' low," obviously creating a cyclopean reference to Homer, which thus relates the narrative to the country duo Homer and Jethro, enhancing the rural Southern imagery of the song. Like, duh.

Peter - the sexual meaning of "load"? Gross. What's the last line of the chorus? Gross.

Posted on Sun Oct 15 06:28:25 CEST 2000 from 1cust196.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.196)

rollie....continued

Somebody mentioned making fun of CSN&Y instead of Levon and Robbie... By now most Band fans are aware of the film editing that went on in order to tone down the blob of nose-candy Neil young was sporting at The Last Waltz. That spectacle hardly compares with the "morning" after episode in the hallway of the Miyako hotel, if in fact night actually was seperate from day in this case. Some may have read my post some time back, concerning my personal accounts of the Last Waltz.This then , is the long awaited continuation, failing ,no doubt, to live up to the initial creative burst, that has inspired this self -indulgent diatribe. Ambling down the corridors of theMiyako, with Garth and me sis,numerous parties are in swing, muffled groans and conversations eminating from each room that we pass by. Suddenly, a door swings open, revealing a rather bleary-eyed , but no less energetic, Neil Young. "Hey Garth" the specter queries,"how about a little O"Canada?" A smirk appears on the lips of both of these musical genius, as if what is to happen next is a foregone conclusion. This stunned 18yrold, in awe of the legend before him,can only gape , as Neil launches into a version of the Canadien national anthem on the harmonica. Chuckles from all, as we continue on down the hallway, and Neil Young fades into the shadows of the corridor,and the oblique corners of my mind.

Posted on Sun Oct 15 06:15:00 CEST 2000 from mplsdslgw10poola81.mpls.uswest.net (63.228.40.81)

Patrick

RADIOHEAD RULE!!!

Posted on Sun Oct 15 05:56:21 CEST 2000 from hud1-pm-04-64.termserv.net (204.97.156.64)

Diamond Lil

...And speaking of the Garth t-shirt thread (where _do_ you get your um..material..Crabby? :-)....I just got mine tonight and I love it! Thanks Maud and Garth.

Have a good night everyone.

Posted on Sun Oct 15 05:11:57 CEST 2000 from 3cust28.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.135.28)

Crabgrass

Glad to see that matter was quickly settled. I liked the Death of a Salesman connection too - Arthur Miller's finally made the GB!! BTW I picked up The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down - The Band Live on CD a few weeks back and there's no doubt at all that "mud" is the word. Wish I'd had it a couple of months sooner.

And now back to the Garth T-shirt thread!! (no pun intended)

Posted on Sun Oct 15 03:46:47 CEST 2000 from ts1-5.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.5)

Cupid

Hi All My thanx to those of you who took the time to post a birthday greeting.We had a hell of a wing ding here lastnight and I have the hooped back to prove it.Peace Doug

Posted on Sat Oct 14 22:16:11 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-038.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.38)

Peter Viney

Bob Wyman: I assume you’re joking, as I thought it transparent, but lyrics seem a happier topic. If the singer is going to catch a Cannonball (train) it makes sense that he’s carrying bags (literally) and then if he’s exhausted (half-past dead), they’d be sinking low. But if he’s carrying a "weight" then metaphorically the (mental or spiritual) baggage he’s carrying is sinking low. If the sexual meaning of the "load" is right, (which I’m not claiming) it’d be the sexual meaning of bags. It’s probably all three. I hadn’t even thought of the drugs one, so maybe it’ four. Little Brother’s image of Willy Loman with a valise full of samples is a great one for me. The carpetbagger. The booster. And dylesexia rules, K.O!

Posted on Sat Oct 14 20:00:25 CEST 2000 from proxy-1351.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.172)

Bob Wyman

I didn't say the "Alabama" line was an improvement, I just couldn't envision bags "sinkin' low". I guess now I can see the 'weight' of one's bags becoming heavier causing them to be carried closer to the ground as the trek nears its arduous end. BTW.. go ahead and "savage" me all you want you supercillious poots! Ask for a little input...sheesh!

Posted on Sat Oct 14 19:56:26 CEST 2000 from hud1-pm-27-87.termserv.net (204.97.156.87)

Diamond Lil

Just posted today on the BREEZE HILL site: Garth Hudson T-Shirts will be available for sale on Monday! Check the Breeze Hill merchandise section for details.

Did someone mention Alabama singing low in Juno magazine? Pretty cool trick. Never did hear a country band sing in a magazine before :-)

Have a good day everyone

Posted on Sat Oct 14 19:27:19 CEST 2000 from 2cust54.tnt14.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.140.182)

Crabgrass

Although, some might think this a reference to running out of drugs I think it's quite obvious that the line "bags are sinkin' low" is the image of the weary traveller (who narrates the song) carrying suitcases loaded with the burden of accumulated "weight" metaphorically speaking which is the theme of the song itself. I hope this will serve to cut short a three week discussion of what this line means. ("line" in the previous sentence is not a reference to cocaine btw)

Shutting down the GB would be tantamount to killing this website as that's what makes it so interesting and even addictive. The new "Feud about the Feud" is fueled (not feuled) by many articles which are posted on this site. Personally, I get tired of hearing the same old points brought up like most posters who've been here a while but if there's a new comment by Levon or Robbie or anyone connected with The Band I'm interested in hearing it and also interested in seeing people's comments regarding such. I also don't think the fact that people who knew or know Band members might read comments posted here and be offended should necessarily restrain anyone from saying anything they feel is valid or honest. Levon obviously, speaks his mind publicly - should he only speak about "the music?" Lennon and McCartney's lives have been pretty much of an open book - that's the price of fame. You don't get something for nothing in this world.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 19:27:43 CEST 2000 from atmax-2-26.enter.net (207.16.153.82)

Little Brøther

Whoops, I meant "Mojo", not "Juno"; glad I wised up before I got to the magazine rack! I'd better slip this in, because after the GB chuds get through savaging Bob, they're sure to come after me. And they'll take no pity on me just because I happen to be occasionally lysdexic.

PS-- I miss the HTML tags-- I was just getting my fingers wet! But I understand; better safe than sorry.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 19:21:40 CEST 2000 from atmax-2-26.enter.net (207.16.153.82)

Little Brøther

I'm planning to look for a copy of that notorious "Juno" article, for curiosity's sake and to better comment if I feel the demiurge.

BTW, Nancy, my dilettante's guess is that Amanda wasn't predicting or encouraging litigation by Robbie against Levon for his comments. I think she was just saying that if those comments have become as outrageous as reported, Levon is treading on the minefield of tort law.

My sense is that Robbie is shrewd enough to see that regardless of how "right or wrong, true or false" the claims, Levon will be generally perceived as a crazed old owl hooting in a sour apple tree. (N.B. ironic quotes)

Regardless of the truth of the matter, including Robbie's private understanding of it, and the tragic polarization that inevitably manifests, it's a grinding fault line or fumarole that both men can live with. So why would Robbie invest time, money, and energy plugging up an unsightly hole just because it occasionally emits blasts of sulfurous, smelly, even toxic steam? Robbie seems more of a "the best revenge is living well" kind of guy anyway.

But I digress. I just wanted to help out Bob Wyman. Remember the line "I picked up my bag / I went looking for a place to hide?" beginning the second verse of "The Weight"? Well, I get a pretty clear image of a weary traveller on foot, dragging his possessions along in some kind of valise. Kind of a Willy Loman with a sample case. I don't think this requires much more of the musty, pseudo-intellectual analysis of which we Vineyistas are regularly accused. Thus the final image of the narrator, who began "half-past dead", his weariness amazing him, branded on his feet, dragging his bag to the train tracks like dragging a ball and chain.

And Bob, with all due respect-- this is coming from a fellow Band fan and a generally friendly, good-hearted guy-- you consider "Alabama's singin' low..." an IMPROVEMENT? That it makes MORE sense than the original? My friend-- Run away! Flee, while there's still time! You hear that rumble in the woodwork? That ain't rats, amigo-- they're COMING for ya, compadre, and it ain't a-gonna be pretty...

Posted on Sat Oct 14 17:56:39 CEST 2000 from proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.123)

Bob Wyman

The last verse of The Weight it seems says: "My bags are sinkin' low..." That's what I hear anyway. It makes no sense to me. When I perform it I have changed it to "Alabama's singin' low..." Can I get some input as to what "bags sinkin' low" means??

Posted on Sat Oct 14 16:21:29 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-tc042.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.167)

Dave Z

Thanks for the nice pics Joe Lore... What's the in town replacement for Joyous Lake if any after it closes?... I'm looking forward to a Barnburner CD too sometime...

Posted on Sat Oct 14 14:54:35 CEST 2000 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

I am enjoying Everclear's "Songs From An American Movie Vol. One: Learning How To Smile". Art Alexakis has a unique voice who mentions John Prine, Otis Redding and Van Morrison in the music. I didn't think I would like their version of "Brown Eyed Girl" because the Belfast Cowboy's can't be improved upon (I especially like the "Bang Masters" alternate take) but Everclear surprised me. It is interesting to note that Van grew very tired with this song as the years went by. Van has said, "Brown Eyed Girl" was lunchtime. This is dinnertime... Had to do something for the fucking French people. Which means in other words the Yanks, you know... I'm talking about soul... I'm a soul singer... I sing soul songs. Blues. Fuck the pop charts... I don't want to play "Brown Eyed Girl". Because I don't have to. Thank God, I don't have to. If I had to I'd commit suicide..."

Posted on Sat Oct 14 13:41:43 CEST 2000 from hud1-pm-22-82.termserv.net (204.97.156.82)

PS

Note to Jan: When you get a free minute (yeah right) can you pleeeaaase look into the cache problem here? You must now have about 100 posts from me lost in the Bermuda Triangle of this site :-) Thanks.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 13:37:19 CEST 2000 from hud1-pm-22-82.termserv.net (204.97.156.82)

A Friendly Reminder

As was mentioned in here only a month or so ago, the fate of this guestbook is seriously wavering. And yes...you can quote me on that. We're only here now folks because the fair-minded, yet running-out-of-patience man who runs this site has agreed to keep it open awhile longer. And yes..you can quote me on that too. So in light of this, perhaps it's time to change the topic in here...before there's no more 'in here' to come to, ok?

And for those of you interested in something other than the hostility in here right now, don't forget to check out the Breeze Hill site for updates on a wonderful t-shirt of Garth (which should be available very soon!) and news about his upcoming cd. Now _that's_ something to talk about!

And to anyone annoyed at this post, don't bother responding. When Jan shuts the sucker down, maybe then you'll remember what I said. Too late.

Apologies to anyone this doesn't concern. Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 12:10:38 CEST 2000 from well.health.nb.ca (207.179.181.34)

WS Walcott

Cease and desist! Let's stop this Levon - Robbie nonsense. It's getting pretty hostile in here. Can't we make fun of CSN&Y instead?

Posted on Sat Oct 14 09:39:34 CEST 2000 from proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.123)

P I,S and S

ooops....wanted to mention one more thang........ain't thar 2 million dollars on the table that Robbie offered Levon....and Levon is just to proud and stupid to go and git.......course he will have to work a little bit .......but he loves to work.........so what's the problem ......I think we all know what the problem is ......he has a....ahh.......grave to dig.......he won't mind too much the dyin' himself if he can bury RR first.................yep.............over and out y'all

Posted on Sat Oct 14 09:26:43 CEST 2000 from newdub.iinet.net.au (203.59.24.142)

Nancy

Amanda: did you mean to say that Levon's comments about RR causing Richards and Rick's deaths was possibly actionable for defamation?? I was confused as to what you were saying and have read my own meaning into your comment. That kind of outcome would plunge the feud to new depths and add new fodder to the GB nose-bag. I can't see it happening at this stage when Levon is reiterating comments already made and ignored publicly by Robbie.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 09:17:46 CEST 2000 from proxy-533.public.rwc.webtv.net (209.240.200.123)

P I, S and S

So, I see that some of you finally agree....Levon is a hysterical old fart that needs to be shipped back to Turkey Scratch and taken care of by his elderly aunt....what's her name..........geez...can't you all find something else to talk about......what a shame.....what a shame. I thought AHROOO was above all of this ...ahh...fuuuuud bidness....! Wonderful article......yeah. But you know....it's all about the music......ahh wait a minute...no...it used to be about music...now it's about...well you know................but just like always.......Levon was taken COMPLETELY out of context.....just like in the book .....it's the press..........it's the press..........

Posted on Sat Oct 14 07:33:33 CEST 2000 from spider-wa081.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.56)

Ben Turkel

Has any one besides Peter Viney read this article yet? It seems to me a lot of people here are ready to attack Levon based on a couple of quotes from an interview that few people have even seen. It seems that some people really take Levon for granted. People rave about his shows, yet when he tells his side of the Band's story he's attacked. BWNWIT, you're very quick to compplain about a 45 minute Levon/Barnburners show, have you (or anyone else) ever had the oppurtunity to see a Robbie Robertson show? Levon has played hundreds (maybe thousands) of shows since TLW. Maybe you caught him on an off night. I saw The Band do a great show at Waterfront Park in Trenton in '96. They played for at least 90 minutes and the tickets were less than $10, I believe. I may be rambling a little, but my main point is that Levon has been out there as a working musician for most of his life, he's brought a lot of entertainment and joy to people and I think it's pretty lousy that some people here are real eager to attack him for telling his side of the story. Whether you agree or disagree with his comments, I think it's pretty safe to say that no one posting in this guestbook has anywhere near the knowledge of the "fued" that Levon does. Is there such a thing as one absolute truth? I think from Levon's perspective, he's honestly expressing his feelings and I think Robbie is from his side too.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 07:03:17 CEST 2000 from 1cust91.tnt2.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.25.9.91)

rollie

RPence- Nobody forced anybody "back on the road".And yes , I do know something behind the story.Suffice to say, it's all one big crap -shoot. You never know when the game is gonna be up for any of us.By the way, I do some pickin up here around Jackson Hole. Feel free to stop in and jam sometime. Just look for the "Bo Hog Grind Band". I'll be the guy blowin on that harp and hollerin just a bit! I think we do a damn good version of the Weight if I do say so myself!

Posted on Sat Oct 14 05:14:47 CEST 2000 from (129.237.77.56)

RPence

It's too bad to see that the feud between Robbie and Levon and their followers has flared up yet again. At the risk of trivializing tragedy, I guess this is our version of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that never really goes away, with one difference being that Barak and Arafat really will have a summit, but that is inconceivable with Robbie and Levon. Anyway, the comments by "Tennessee" are some of the best I've seen. As much as I will always cherish my memories of witnessing Richard's performance with the reconstituted Band in 1983, there's no doubt in my mind that stopping touring in 1976 added several years to his life, and that getting back out there in the 80s took those years off, and then some. I can only conclude that Levon's latest comments about Robbie are designed to prevent any further income from flowing Robbie's way. Once again, I'll just quote Ronnie Hawkins, who has a talent for cutting through bullshit, whether it's Robbie's, Levon's, or someone else's: "Sometimes the rest of the boys get mad at Robbie because he's done all right, but they shouldn't. He took care of business." Not just his, the Band's. They wouldn't even have made it as far as the Last Waltz without him.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 04:42:06 CEST 2000 from 1cust195.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.195)

rollie

Hey,BWNWIT! You might want to ease off the throttle just a bit!Richard Manuel was a musician. Musicians love to get up in front of people and do their thing. He was especially good at it and no doubt reveled in the energy associated with it.Balance on the road is a bit of an oxymoron.Everybody has their moments, Levon undoubtedly has his. Your life ain't your own on the road, and sometimes people do and say things(or not do and say things!) just to preserve their own privacy, (of which their is precious little for the travelling musician).As for the price of those tickets, THOSE ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on Sat Oct 14 04:30:26 CEST 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Amanda

I was interested to hear about the Mojo article from Peter Viney. Of course Levon is entitled to his opinions, and I am entitled to mine, and Ahroo is entitled to hers…in fact if Levon will say these things in international publications I don't know how we are meant to NOT have opinions. And who else are we to discuss them with apart from other The Band fans? My own view is that it is ludicrous & also in poor taste not to mention possibly actionable for defamation to suggest that Robbie Robertson was responsible for the death of Richard Manuel and Richard Danko

And while I'm openly and honestly expressing MY FEELINGS I wish Levon well & I'm sorry that he has suffered ill health & will always love his singing & he did a really good job in Coal Miners Daughter but did any of you notice a post a while back that mentioned he had a brand new sports car??? I don't begrudge him that but personally I have concluded that I don't have all that much energy to spare on worrying about whether one rock star guy has more money than another.

Note: this is not to disparage other people who find they have things they want to say on the feud issue because, as I said before, I don't see how its possible for any Band fan not to have formed some opinion & I think this is an appropriate place to express those opinions.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 03:47:23 CEST 2000 from pm4-146.delrio.com (208.246.53.146)

Just Wonderin'

I was just perusing half.com's site and found a copy of Levon's "Drums and Drummng" for sale for $35.00. I think someone posted here a while ago looking for it.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 03:13:46 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-127-96.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.127.96)

BWNWITennessee

So Peter, Levon is now saying that it looks like everything was written by Robbie and ALBERT?!! I'm not aware of any songs Albert Grossman has credit for (maybe Levon meant to say Stephen Davis). God, he's just going over the top now. I mean, maybe he's just venting all of his anger about his illness and everything else in his life on Robbie, but come on.

I don't really see anything wrong with AHROO's post. Unfortunately, both Rick and Richard did have problems with abuse, and their health. It's a shame, and tragic, but also undeniably true. And for Levon to now basically blame Robbie Robertson for both of their deaths is fucking disgusting. I'm sorry, but it's sick and immoral. Imagine if someone blamed you for the suicide of one of your friends.

Not everyone here is a family member of someone in The Band. Some of us are merely fans, and as such maybe have a somewhat different perspective on everything that's been going on. I'm only a fan, and I'm not too sure if I want to be one anymore.

All this garbage has been going on with the Allman Brothers this summer, with them kicking out a band member and blaming each other for ridiculous things. Butch Trucks has posted a fair amount of mean-spirited comments on their message board, and he actually sent me an e-mail that was pretty bitter. Well, I've about had it with old men acting like spoiled, immature 17-year-olds, unable to resolve arguments that have been going on for 20 years, at their fans' expense. I guess it's like my baseball strike, but I've basically written off that band. Well, the same is now kind of true with Levon. You know, Levon, I paid $60 this spring to see your band play for 45 minutes. There were about 20 people in the place, and afterwards you hightailed it out of there without so much as talking to one fan so that you could hang out with your psuedo-celebrity guests. Well, you ripped me off, because it wasn't worth the money, no band is worth $1.50 a minute. The only contact I have with you, as a fan, is through your public actions. If you want to be full of bile and spite in your personal life, that's fine. But now every image I have of The Band is tainted by all of your bitterness and anger. I'm a huge fan of The Band, but if the Barnburners came back to Nashville right now, I honestly don't think I'd waste my money on you, not even five bucks. You know, Robbie once suggested that maybe Richard died because he went back out on the road, the thing that Robbie tried to prevent. You took a recovering alcoholic and made him play music in an endless string of bars night after night just because you couldn't get your own solo career off the ground. Good move, buddy. There, was that sick enough for you?

(If the MOJO article was misquoted, kindly disregard all of the above :-))

Sorry if I offended anyone.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 03:03:07 CEST 2000 from pm4-146.delrio.com (208.246.53.146)

Just Wonderin'

Thanks to those who helped with the query about Mojo magazine. I managed to track a copy down.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 02:53:54 CEST 2000 from (199.105.252.66)

Charlie Young

It's been a while since I bought a new CD that grabbed me enough to listen to over and over, but "Crossing Muddy Waters," the new bare-bones John Hiatt recording keeps sounding better and better on each spin. It combines the best elements of early Dylan and Springsteen's "Nebraska," but with Hiatt's unique humor and intelligence. He is simply the best songwriter working today.

There's even one song which includes what strikes me as a subtle--or subconscious--reference to The Band (with whom Hiatt recorded on the JUBLILATION album). The song is called "Gone" and the line goes: "gone...like the shape I'm in..."

This is Hiatt's first album on the Vanguard label, and there's a great new, bargain-priced 2-CD sampler set celebrating the 50th anniversary of the record label. Called "Route 50: Driving New Roots for 50 Years," the collection includes tracks by friends of The Band Eric Andersen and John Hammond--along with lots of other great classic and contemporary blues and folk artists.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 02:45:56 CEST 2000 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CUPID!!!!

Well I did my research and it's true - Mike Shrieve is not in fact Canadian but an American from San Francisco. Sorry everyone, I was lead to believe since the late 60's from a reliable source (music magazines make mistakes too) that he was a Canadian. Graham Lear was actually English born (same year as Shrieve - 1949) and moved to Canada as a child. He played with Gino Vanelli before joining Santana in 1976 - 1987 but missed the 1984 tour). Anyway, I still give thanks and praises to the sensitive and creative drummer who evinces passion and abandonment from Santana's original band. Once Gregg Rolie left as well, I lost serious interest in Santana (sorry new Santana fans) but I felt Shrieve's mesmermizing drum playing and Rolie's Hammond organ sound was a major part of the group's definition. Also, one of the percussionists (Pete Escovedo) is the father of Shiela E. who has played with the artist formerly known as Prince.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 02:03:37 CEST 2000 from nas-203-87.rochester.navipath.net (64.20.203.87)

Liz

HI there, well it looks as if we all survived Friday the 13th.......friends, go see a show, step away from the computer, slowly now step away, heeeeeheee, remember this : we have the freedom to communicate our thoughts here ! and it seems like a smile is needed, Im sure ya all remember the way Rick used to smile ? oh..... whatevahhhhhhhhh , waaaaaa waa please "lighten up McGraw," and the rest of ya too !!! and NO MATTER WHAT YOU ......., PLAY ON keep listening........

Posted on Sat Oct 14 01:54:00 CEST 2000 from spider-wb022.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.157)

Ben Turkel

I'm not interested in rehashing the feud again. I do however feel that it's unfair to criticise Levon for simply stating his feelings. Whether anyone here agrees or disagrees with his comments, he's certainly entitled to his opinions and to voice them in an interview. Levon's had his own health problems, and I am certainly glad that he's recovering and continues to record and perform.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 01:51:23 CEST 2000 from 56k-la-00-20.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.35)

Dave the Phone Guy

Thanks David Powell and Pat Brennan for your posts.

IIKKA,I don't have any Nokia or Nookie for that matter.I have been told I give good phone though.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 00:57:31 CEST 2000 from adsl-63-203-144-235.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (63.203.144.235)

Tom Daniels

On a lighter note, has anyone heard the Port Dover and Rock of Ages boots? They both sound like fun!

Posted on Sat Oct 14 00:56:20 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-068.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.68)

Peter Viney

Postscript: we're not talking about private comments or opinions, but those that Robbie and Levon chose to give to a journalist representing a prominent music magazine, probably the one with most interest in their natural constituencies.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 00:55:51 CEST 2000 from adsl-63-203-144-235.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (63.203.144.235)

Tom Daniels

Feuds aside, I think the real tragedy of The Band is clearly that Richard and Rick are Too Soon Gone. It is hard to understand why some people are done in by chemicals. According to Levon, Richard was just a good old boy when he abused before they made it, was responding to the pressures of fame later, and was responding to the sadness of decline later. Sadly, it seems that no matter what was going on, Richard needed to medicate to get by. I loved his playing, writing and singing. I wish his life was less painful. Blaming that on anyone is silly - but people in pain (and Levon's loss is much larger than mine) often find a scapegoat. Robbie is a convenient one. I take no side in this feud, I just find it terribly tragic that the Band has had so much loss and splintered so. It was a beautiful thing once.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 00:51:43 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-068.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.68)

Peter Viney

Look, just read the article, OK? November Mojo, #84. It’s got a page on the feud, nine pages that are not. It starts out showing Levon’s enormous courage in the face of adversity. He’s explicit and honest about it. It’s an important article. Both Levon and Robbie view the effect of drugs from different angles, both honest and clear. They said it. Compare the account of "Let it Be" in the November Uncut. The sessions were totally stifled because Lennon was nodding out, and had no creativity at that point. This bounces on to Stage Fright. The situation seems similar. It’s a chicken and egg one. Did the drugs stifle creativity? Or did stifled creativity lead to the drugs? Levon and Robbie take opposite stances. The so-called feud is simply a fact about The Band, and the argument will always be chicken versus egg. It’s such a cliché about rock bands because it always seems to be true, from Lennon v McCartney through The Glimmer twins, the Gallagher brothers or Nigel Tuffnel against the new girlfriend (sorry my Spinal Tap lore isn’t learned by heart). It’s shameful that Levon wasn’t sent copies of the reissues by Capital, shameful that he feels screwed by them after all these years. It’s also pretty cruel in my book to lay the tragic events with Richard and Rick at Robbie’s door.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 00:08:41 CEST 2000 from user-33qt954.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.164.164)

Pat Brennan

The feud will always be a topic here as long as the participant(s) feed the fire, especially if new angles and information are tossed into the pyre. Discussion of the new MOJO article obviously meets the requirements. Anger should be directed at the source, not the bearer, of the news.

If you choose not to participate in such discussions, you have every right and reason to do so. If others choose to participate, it's really not that big of a deal. Good taste and common sense, however, are two things to pursue consistently.

Posted on Sat Oct 14 00:02:00 CEST 2000 from daacdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.162.152)

fish

looking for a digital (CDR or DAT) copy of "academy of outtakes" 2CD boot set have large archive to trade from (including several danko solo '84 and '87 master soundboards) - someday i'll post 'em up in mp3 on jan's site if he can

Posted on Fri Oct 13 23:22:07 CEST 2000 from spider-wn053.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.173)

Donna

Why are we doing this all over again? AHROOO, I think that you need to go back and think about why the majority of this guestbook community is here. I always believed it was for the love of the music, each and every member of The Band, brought to us. Our respect and admiration for each of their musical talents. If one member of The Band has something to say about another member, that is between them! I only hope that Levon and Robbie, will be able to sit down and become friends one day. If that never happens, it will not stop me from picking up Robbie's, "Contact From The Underworld Of Redboy", and enjoying his music any less. That will not stop me from going and seeing Levon, and The BarnBurner's play another fantastic show. Let's be here, to not spite venomous words attacking one member or the other. Just sit back and enjoy the magic of the music that every member, of this great band brought to us and is still bringing to us. God Bless Rick, and Richard. We miss you.

Thanks!

Posted on Fri Oct 13 23:03:16 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

I'm going to jump to both Ahroo's and Peter's defense here. Without breaking my personal moratorium on the you_know_what, I don't think Tracy or Peter were being callous or disrespectful to the memories or Richard or Rick. Tracy is merely pointing out the obvious, as far as I can see, that adults are responsible for their actions and that a myriad of experiences define both our sorrows and our joys, our successes and our tragedies.

To demonize a single thing in one's life as the cause of all misery is neither healthy nor capable of leading to anything but misery. Like begets like. With so much to be joyful about, it's a mystery why this topic keeps its legs - but as I said before, this issue is very one-sided and without the actions and statements of a single person, would not continually erupt here.

Neither Peter or Tracy are responsible for this ugliness coming back. It won't stop until the attitude and mindset of Levon changes. Perhaps he should stop doing interviews - or at least refuse to answer questions regarding certain people and events for the good of everyone...not the least of which the families and memories of dear friends who've now passed on.

Peace, especially for you Levon - you need to find some for yourself, it cannot be granted or stolen from you by anyone but yourself.

matt

Posted on Fri Oct 13 22:26:13 CEST 2000 from hud1-pm-28-87.termserv.net (204.97.156.88)

Diamond Lil

Upset that I even read some of today's post. Very sad. Callous, cold, and cruel remarks about the deaths of Rick and Richard. What's happening here? Even death deserves dignity.

I'd like to remind everyone again that family members read this guestbook at times, and they've all been through enough. It's time to heal. Thanks.

Hope everyone has a good night..and a better tomorrow. Hug Jan.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 22:17:23 CEST 2000 from spider-tr044.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.194)

DP

Quick post, Seatrain is now on the infamous Nappy, thanks Steve Mac.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 21:43:43 CEST 2000 from ip161.buffalo11.ny.pub-ip.psi.net (38.26.224.161)

G-MAN

Why don't we let the sleepin dog die??? In fact, go out and catch a show--Gurus' or Burners!!! In fact, anyone who can--show up at Levon's show at Winooski, Vt., 11/2, Higher Ground, and the Gurus show, Saratoga, N.Y, 11/3, Metro Club. Whoever shows can party--and start a Barnburners Fan Club and a Gurus Fan Club??? Any suggestions--let me know!!! Peace/Health, and leave the s--- alone!!!!!!

Posted on Fri Oct 13 21:41:03 CEST 2000 from spider-wj053.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.43)

Dave Z

I agree with wigo... let's not take what's characterized as The Feud so seriously... and go straight for the nearest boot of TCLW and play the last song... and remember old times like these... hey, by the way... what is everybody doing with the old CDs now that you all got your reissues?... any guilty pleasures out there?... do you give them to people you hate?... or try to pass them off as respectible used gifts?... I say give them to people who have never heard of the Band and if you hear back positively then inform them there are better sounding ones available?... Ouch...

Posted on Fri Oct 13 21:16:49 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-td052.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.172)

bob wigo

Like it or not ladies and gentlemen, any new interviews in a major music publication will be of interest here.Pointing to the "feud" feeds the feud here. Peter Viney did not take a side that I can see. He merely cited the comments in the article.

David, I agree. Let us not allow this impersonal venue to permit us to toss words like buckets of mud on the lives ( and deaths ) of good human beings. Their faults are no greater than mine or any of yours. Their strengths are clear.

Go to your CD players, your tape players or your turntables and get back to what brought you here.Maybe even dance a little. It's good for what ails ya'.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 20:56:12 CEST 2000 from st-catherines-ppp112416.sympatico.ca (216.209.140.45)

Richard Patterson

PETER V: Are you saying that the only subject of serious discussion in the GB is the feud? (or "fued" if you prefer). I think we have all achieved a level of discussion in here beyond "Wow, the Band is great!" on many occasions, without creating a playground for people to line up on each side of this Levon vs. Robbie thing...

I had no idea that Mojo mag was such a big deal... and... I didn't know that the Guest Book had become a forum for British OR American music mags... but then, maybe I'm just slow... Sure, I read some of 'em... but... caveat emptor... no?

Am I missing something here?

Posted on Fri Oct 13 20:51:34 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

When people express their feelings, they are not necessarily making statements of fact, but rather allowing others to glimpse into their hearts. Whatever chain of events leads one to feel a certain way can't be calculated coldly like some mathematical formula. Who are we to judge what causes another to feel the way they do.

Compassion is perhaps one of the noblest of human qualities. We may not be able to understand why someone feels the way they do, but that doesn't give us the right to question what they hold in their hearts.

Just as life is sacred, death should not be trivialized in a condescending manner. The callousness of certain comments made today in the guestbook break my heart. They go against the spirit of what I believe made the music of The Band so great.

Pardon me for this departure from the discussion of this wonderful music. That said, I will now return to the music.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 20:43:30 CEST 2000 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

Peter: Thanks for the news about the MOJO article, although it sounds like it is going to depress me again with regard to Levon's comments. Our boys were "party" guys way before Robbie wrote "The Weight", so it upsets me that Levon claims that Robbie drove them to behave like that. Levon's interviews are getting worse and worse, and yet you could not meet a nicer or more positive guy in person than Levon.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 20:21:50 CEST 2000 from (62.98.88.105)

Emanuele " The Beards"

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAN , FROM THE BEARDS AND ALL ITALIAN THE BAND FANS ! THANK FOR YOUR STRAORDINARY ("HEART") WORK !!
THANKS ! Emanuele and Italian The Band Homepage

Posted on Fri Oct 13 20:06:04 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-058.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.58)

Peter Viney

Richard: Come on! What do you want? Lots of "Wow! The Band are great" posts? When the world’s leading rock magazine (I think it passed Rolling Stone some time ago) does a TEN page major article on The Band, by one of its best writers, with new interviews with both Levon and Robbie, I think it is of major interest to everyone here, even if it inevitably touches on that feud (or fued) again. I find it interesting that Robbie has a mild riposte about the 65 tour and Levon’s attitude of distaste for Dylan’s music in 1965. BTW, he later says that Levon was "alright about Dylan" in the basement days. Robbie expresses great pride in Live 66 too. Like Ahroo, I find it over-the-top to blame Robbie for addictions, death and mental problems, and Levon surely comes down hard. He does say:
"It looks like Robbie and Albert wrote everything. That’s what really broke The Band up, and made everybody go to drugs and dope and death, and nuts"
and:
"When you’re treated like that, all of a sudden your best days are behind you – that’s what happened to Richard Manuel, it drove him crazy."

On the positive side, Robbie has a lot to say about the Band’s vocals, and so does Levon. The way Andy Gill intercuts them is rather like the cutting on "Classic albums" video. They seem to be agreeing and following on from each other, and why not? It’s not all feud. A lot of the article won’t be new to many here, but it’s an excellent piece of work with lots of new quotes. By now, as regular readers will know, both Robbie and Levon repeat points they’ve made before in only slightly different words, but I do it all the time myself! Andy Gill says:
"(Robbie) remains one of rock’s most urbane and articulate characters, unfailingly polite and helpful and keenly abreast of contemporary trends in film and music." And he doesn’t make any cheap cracks about jackets either.
Whatever, the article is essential reading. Just wonderin’. Mojo’s website is:
mojomagazine.co.uk
I’ve seen Mojo in Borders, Barnes & Noble &Virgin in the USA.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 19:43:53 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-td031.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.161)

bob wigo

For all of those curious about the plans for Garth's solo album --the next two paragraphs are from the Breeze Hill site.

In the fall of 1999 Quentin opened offices in Litchfield Connecticut and began marketing Cd's over the web and through direct mailings, while working on traditional distribution. He also approached Garth Hudson about a studio album that would reflect Garth's influence on the American music scene. After some beard scratching Garth agreed that it was time. Aaron Hurwitz, now had three albums to work on.

On December 10, 1999 Rick Danko died after returning home from a Midwest tour. With his album, Times Like These, almost completed, Aaron and Quentin were determined to finish it. Times LikeThese will be released in late summer of 2000 along with the Crowmatix's CD, Over the Edge. Garth Hudson's CD is expected in the late winter and will be Breeze Hill Record's fourth CD on the market in under two years

Posted on Fri Oct 13 19:29:25 CEST 2000 from spider-wb062.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.177)

Dave Z

Jon: Click on black box link "About Us" then click on link "History" then read 3rd and 2nd to last paragraphs...

Posted on Fri Oct 13 19:21:59 CEST 2000 from (205.230.10.2)

Bob R

I brought & listened to the "non-robertson" Band albums last night, "Jericho", High on the Hog" and "Jubilation"-- and you know what ? I was absolutely blown away by them ! I had not listened to them in awhile, and could not believe how good they were--- I am one of those people who think the re-formed Band was as good as the origional line up.. I think that not having Robbie around forced them to really step up to the plate---Take "Jubilation" for example..Levon not only has a hand in writing the bulk of the songs, but contributes guitar, mandolin, harp and drums..the tracks are killer, the musicianship (as always) flawless... If you are new to the Band and have not checked out the recordings made during the '90's I strongly suggest that you seek them out. Tracks like "Jericho", "Blind Willie McTell", "Atlantic City", "Free Your Mind", "Dont Wait" and "Book Faded Brown" are as great as anything else they ever recorded---and Garth's "French Girls" is no slouch either....have a nice weekend everybody

Posted on Fri Oct 13 18:26:57 CEST 2000 from st-catherines-ppp112432.sympatico.ca (216.209.140.61)

Richard Patterson

PETER V and AHROOO: Regardless of what has happened in the current issue of Mojo, why are you descending into a discussion of the feud in this Guest Book YET AGAIN?. Didn't the last round create enough frustration?

JAN: I would like to suggest that a moratorium on any discussion of the feud be added to the rules of the Guest Book... does anybody agree with me?

Posted on Fri Oct 13 18:12:15 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Hey Dave Z, where is the release of the rumored Garth album mentioned on the Breeze Hill site?? I've scoured the site up and down and can't find a single mention of it...I even asked them about the album on their message board but to no avail. Any help in pointing me to that mention is appreciated... Believe me, I'm not arguing, this is something I want you to be right about! :)

Posted on Fri Oct 13 17:52:14 CEST 2000 from proxy1-external.blfld1.ct.home.com (24.4.252.36)

AHROOO!!

Thanks for telling us about the upcoming issue of Mojo. Levon sure doesn't seem like he regrets anything he ever said in his book. Say, does he get royalties from writing half of it or does Stephen Davis get most?

What gives with this guy? He claims that Robbie broke up the Band when really what Levon is trying to do is kill it completely, any happiness or memories of that once great band of five guys. Did Robbie really kill Richard and Rick? Is Levon trying to say that Robbie hung Richard and that Richard was mentally incopasitated to even know what he was doing? A 42 year-old man who had obviously had troubles since he was a teenager and ol' Levon is going to blame Robbie for that?

Let's try this one on for size, Robbie is to blame for Rick's death. Yeah, I'm sure he told him to gain three hundred plus pounds, go on the road even if his health wasn't the best. Sure thing. Robbie also tipped off the Japanese police that Rick was carrying some illegal substance and that's how he wound up in jail.

The last time I checked, Robbie had three children, not six. Any demise which unfortunately happened to Rick or Richard was only the fault of their own. A 42 year-old, and a near 58 year-old should know better. If they knew about this I'm sure they'd be rolling in their graves. Any substance taking was none other than that individuals fault, not of somebody who they feel hurt their ego.

Helm should be ashamed of himself and journalists should learn by now that they should stay far away from Mr. Helm and his views and opinions. Right now, his accusations are downright laughable. What's next? Levon's going to claim that Robbie made him sick?

AHROOO!!

some situations are nuttier than fruitcake

Posted on Fri Oct 13 16:47:06 CEST 2000 from spider-wd031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.161)

Don Pugatch

Don't know what made me feel like watching "TLW" for the 100th time, maybe getting cooler and closer to the 24th Anniversay of the concert, but I did. As usual, the background interruptions of others in the house were prevalent, but this time, I decided to try to find or hear "things" I missed in the past 99 viewings.

Here's some points I misseed previously. Second set up drums to the right of Levon, The Hat that Pinetop Perkins wore, Garth on Piano, Richard on the drums during the Dr. John set, The look on Bob Margolin's face while Muddy was wailing.

If others pick up some nuances,let me know, I will watch for them on number 101

Posted on Fri Oct 13 16:45:26 CEST 2000 from pm2-85.delrio.com (208.246.52.206)

Just Wonderin'

Can anyone tell me where I can purchase the November issue of Mojo online? I don't want to subscribe to the magazine, but would love the read that issue. Nobody sells it in this small city! Thanks!

Posted on Fri Oct 13 16:23:36 CEST 2000 from spider-we064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.49)

Dave Z

I was poking around the Breeze Hill site yesterday... and after spending some time trying to unsuccessfully figure out what a Crowmatix is... I delved into the Garth link... and much to my surprise found mention that the new CD will be out this winter... later went to CDNOW and read that Dr. John has recorded a song with Britney Spears-competitor Christina A. (Not going to try to spell her last name this early)... Pete R, I saw that compilation ad yesterday too while watching Charlie's Angels 24-7... and now for my cup of coffee... by the way, hilarious last post Crabby... and a Happy BDay belated to Jan... I say give Jan RR's Geffin office next...

Posted on Fri Oct 13 15:58:33 CEST 2000 from stjhts18c109.nbnet.nb.ca (142.166.254.114)

WS Walcott

Caught a bit of Farm Aid 2000 on the tube last night. CSN&Y did a set. Frankly I felt embarassed for them. It was pitiful. Everytime Stills tried to do a lead break his belly kept getting in the way. They sounded very sloppy. Nash and Crosby didn't do much of anything. The guys basically served as Neil's backup band: Cinnamon Girl, Helpless, etc. Mostly all Young tunes. Neil still has some chops but the other 3 are duds. Sure didn't look and sound like I remembered them, sad.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 15:34:58 CEST 2000 from ip-118.dial.webperception.com (64.7.64.118)

Molly Z.

Hey Jan! Hope you had a wonderful birthday!!

Pat Brennan-That's funny that you mentioned Michael McDermott because I used to have a good friend in school named Michael McDermott.

I also want to wish Cupid a wonderful happy birthday today. So have a great day everyone, and happy birthday again Cupid!! :-)

Posted on Fri Oct 13 09:46:16 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-121.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.121)

Peter Viney

Another snippet from the Mojo article. RR on the Dylan & Hawks tour and Levon's departure: "Somebody told me he left because he said he didn't want to be booed. Really he left because he didn't like the music. He didn't believe in this music at all … he didn't like these people; he didn't like Bob Dylan, or Albert Grossman"
Which I'd always thought.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 09:40:44 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-121.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.121)

Peter Viney

With that strange synchronicity, the November Mojo came through my letterbox this morning. (#84). Blur is the cover photo, but the first words above it are "Dylan & the Band: Woodstock Revisited". The TEN page article by the excellent Independent critic Andy Gill (who always reviews The Band favourably) starts with a brand new interview with Levon in which he curses "Robertson" out – blaming him not only for the break up but adding this "made everybody go to drugs and dope and death, and nuts". Gill switches immediately to a Robertson interview. Having described Levon’s kitchen, he describes Robbie’s "understated, casual, plush" office at Dreamworks – Geffen’s old one. And that’s the first two pages alone (read with breakfast of course), and I have work to do.

Then I see a whole page ad – if you subscribe to Mojo for a year you get a free copy of one of the Band reissues "to celebrate the release of the digitally remastered reissues". Then in miniscule print it says "offer limited to the first 200 respondents". Good publicity though.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 08:40:39 CEST 2000 from stk-pm1-8-136.dialup.slip.net (207.171.230.136)

Guenevere

As far as a Band/Jazz cover connection goes, I can't think of any I've ever heard...I'd like to hear Stan Kenton & His Orchestra doing "Ring Your Bell" .... (that'd be good)... and hey! I'm glad that somebody finally found a Band/Osmonds connection ...

gee other than that all I can say is Happy B-day Jan!!!

I'm sending you my slightly used Britney Spears wall clock which I recently purchased, it keeps perfect time (except that the hands go backwards), and I'm sure you'll enjoy the way the picture of Britney keeps getting older, while the person who owns it keeps getting younger...plus it keeps MET time, (which I'm sure will be more useful in Norway.)

Posted on Fri Oct 13 08:02:20 CEST 2000 from stcatherines-ppp109219.sympatico.ca (216.209.112.150)

Richard Patterson

"This is gonna sound a little bit out there / This is gonna sound a little insane", but the new Everclear CD called 'Songs from an American Movie: Vol. 1' is GREAT... I don't know anything about the history of this band, but the singer sounds like "Lunatic Fringe" - era Tom Cochrane, they sample John Bonham ("When the Levee Breaks") on "Now That It's Over" to better effect than the Beastie Boys, and they do a wonderful version of "Brown Eyed Girl"...

Hey, if your kids come home with this one afternoon... give it a listen...

Happy Birthday Jan... and many more

Posted on Fri Oct 13 08:00:07 CEST 2000 from 1cust8.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.8)

Crabgrass

Okay, I declare the "Jazz covers of Band songs" topic officially dead due to a complete lack of interest.

I think 'N Sync's penchant for trading vocals was influenced by The Band, some of their dance steps were borrowed from Rick, and their lip-sync style was lifted from Robbie.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 07:05:06 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-117-27.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.117.27)

BWNWITennessee

I saw Little Feat at the Exit/Inn last night. Homeboy Craig Fuller sat in with them on "Hate to Lose Your Lovin'," which was nice. They did "Rag;" they jammed out a little at the end, but it just didn't have the energy and ribald enthusiasm that the real version does. And about that singer they have, she's fine and all, but why does every white female blues singer have to just do this over-the-top belting? It's like they're all trying to be Janis Joplin or something, it's so tasteless and irritating. Her, Susan Tedeschi, um, er, Rory Block. Shannon Curfman, I guess. I don't know why they all have to lay it on so thick, you don't see male blues singers, even bad ones, doing that. It's just a pet peeve, about one of the least interesting things for me to listen to. Anyway, watching Little Feat do "Rag" made me realize how much the GB has made me appreciate The Band. I mean, I was always a fan, of course, but now it kind of seems like they're a part of the family, in a way, or that I'm part of their family.

I'm not all that familiar with Townes Van Zandt, but on Lyle Lovett's covers album, he does a lot of his songs, and I just love them all. Lyle's disc, "Step Inside This House," is excellent. The second CD is just about perfect, in my opinion. I love every song on it, from beginning to end, it's beautiful. The first CD is about 60% perfect, 40% excellent. Has anyone heard Lyle's new soundtrack? It didn't get a very good review in "Entertainment Weekly."

Who should Garth have guesting on his new CD? One of the Marsalis brothers? Which one? How about Itzhak Pearlman, David Grisman or Andy Statman? Dr. John, Junior Brown? Maybe Emmylou Harris? How about all of the above? Maybe he can get Robbie to sit in on a song, fair's fair. He should have some ethnic stuff, too, with some oud and duodek (sp) players. Oh, and lots of accordion. Jimmy Sturr?

Posted on Fri Oct 13 06:17:54 CEST 2000 from user-33qtaal.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.169.85)

Pat Brennan

Just saw the son of the former lead singer of the Band--a young man named Jake Dylan--with his group, The Wallflowers, at the Metro here in beautiful Chicago. Intimate setting and a funny set, peaking with a note-on version of the Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again." Also did Bowie's "Heroes." A fellow I've worked with a bit named Michael McDermott opened the show to a fine response. Seen the dad, now I've seen the kid.

And, of course, Happy Birthday greetings to Webmaster Jan. You're a helluva fellow, pally, and we all owe ya.

BTW, on an extremely unrelated note, a documentary I worked on about the raising of the Confederate submarine Hunley will broadcast on the History Channel on Monday. Check your listings.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 06:13:28 CEST 2000 from (209.32.133.58)

Pete Rivard

I fell asleep on the sofa the other evening and woke up in the middle of a TV ad for a cheesy country rock compilation album, with a buxom Southern chick wearing a straw cowboy hat and a red top on the cover. I'm pretty sure that, despite my bleariness, I saw The Band's "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" scroll past on the screen, with Little Feat's "Dixie Chicken", Allman Bros. "Ramblin' Man", Charlie Daniel's "Devil Went Down to Georgia" and a host of others. Was I hallucinating or has anyone else caught this ad?

Posted on Fri Oct 13 04:14:34 CEST 2000 from spider-wq014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.139)

Bayou Sam

sorry for the double post folks. I thought I screwed up and lost the first one, so I retyped it. The first post is the original issue, and the second is remastered with alternate wordings. You should save the first post - it might become a collecters item. I'll shut up now. Goodnite from chilly New York.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 04:10:00 CEST 2000 from spider-wq014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.139)

Bayou Sam

KEITH - I don't know if you've checked out McCartney's last album, Flaming Pie. It is a good rock and roll album with Paul's playing and singing in excellent form.

WS WALCOTT - I saw Levon's book at a Borders book store. If you have a Borders or a Barnes and Noble near you, you should be able to get it.

JAN - I'm not sure I would want you to be President (or King, or anything like that), I'm pretty sure you don't qualify for sainthood, and if you were never born I suppose we all would have somehow muddled through life :)..... Having said that. I would like to wish you a heartfelt Happy Birthday and congratulations on your recent award. Also, thanks again for all the hard work you do to provide us with this wonderful website. It must be a labor of love for you. thanks. Have a great birthday...be well.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 03:50:27 CEST 2000 from spider-wq014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.139)

Bayou Sam

Keith - have you checked out McCartneys last album - Flaming Pie? It's quite good. Paul's playing and singing are in great form

WS Walcott - I saw Levon's book in a Borders Book store. If you have a Borders or a Barnes and Noble near you, you should find it.

Jan - I'm not sure if I'd want you to be President, and I'm pretty sure you don't qualify for sainthood, and if you were never born we would have had to find some other lot in life which I'm confident we could have done... Having said that - I'd like to wish you a heartfelt happy birthday and congrats on your new award. Thanks again also for your hard work maintaining this wonderful site. Have a great birthday -be well.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 02:55:28 CEST 2000 from e236.goes.com (208.240.209.236)

Keith

Thanks for the info on issue #3 of Mojo. This is an issue I would like to have read. The cover shot is quite clearly John Lee Hooker, don't you think a shot of The Band would have been nice (perhaps the Photo on the cover of Hoskyns book). Have to give Mojo credit for putting Robbie in as one of the 100 greatest guitar players. How did it describe his playing? Rumor has it that issue #81 is dedicated to Sir Paul and his silly little love songs. Paul has been to busy putting out fires to make any decent music of late.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 02:02:49 CEST 2000 from spider-wa024.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.29)

Stu Hruska

Jan, Happy Birthday and many happy returns of the day. I wish you health and happiness for the upcoming year. Congratulations on the due recognition of your website. It was a pleasure to meet you on your journies to the USA this year. Keep up the good work and I hope you get into shape to fit into the Barnburners tee shirt I sent you a few years back.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 00:58:38 CEST 2000 from m198214181030.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.30)

pehr

thanks bill for the info. and thanks jan , once again. Hope you had a great birthday

Posted on Fri Oct 13 00:43:20 CEST 2000 from slip-32-101-152-206.tx.us.prserv.net (32.101.152.206)

Kelly

Happy Birthday Jan! May you have a year full of the happiness you so richly deserve.

Posted on Fri Oct 13 00:21:55 CEST 2000 from c5300-2-ip236.albany.thebiz.net (216.238.225.236)

Tom

A BIG HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAN!

From all of us @ www.woodstockrecords.com

Keep Rockin' a hundred more!

Peace - Tom

Posted on Thu Oct 12 23:39:09 CEST 2000 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

Blind Willie McTell

I wanna hear pitter patter
Climb up your ladder now
It's time for you to dream away,
For what a big day you've been through.

Happy Birthday Jan!!! Thanks for your efforts.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 22:41:47 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

Bones: I am indeed a fan of Steve Hoffman's work as a remastering engineer with the DCC Compact Classics label. Mr. Hoffman remastered the DCC Gold CD version of The Band's "Stage Fright". Following the label's work-out of financial difficulties, DCC has branched out by reissuing budget-priced aluminum CD versions of classic country albums featuring Mr. Hoffman's always excellent remastering from the original master tapes. They've reissued several titles from Waylon Jennings, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Eddy Arnold and others.

For Band fans, one of Mr. Hoffman's DCC releases worth checking out is Johnny Cash's "Sunday Morning Coming Down". This is a single disc compilation of some of the Man In Black's unique interpretations of modern classics. It includes "Long Black Veil", Tim Hardin's "If I Was A Carpenter", Dylan's "It Ain't Me Babe" & "Don't Think Twice It's Alright", Kristofferson's title song, as well as "Folsom Prison Blues", "Orange Blossom Special", "Big River" and others.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 21:24:29 CEST 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

I thought I'd say a few words about Bobby Starr as a follow-up to my last post. Ronnie Hawkins hired him away from Jay Smith and the Majestics because he needed a guitarist in the Robbie Robertson mold. Recalling what could have happened to him had the Band/Hawks left him suddenly without any backup (as I noted, he'd bought some insurance by taking on the Disciples and running two groups at once) Hawkins also wanted someone whose allegiance would be to him rather than to the rest of the Disciples. So, when the Disciples went off on their own (to considerable local and national success), Starr stuck with Hawkins. No more records, but what a lineup: Hawkins, Starr, singer Jay Smith, bassist Bob Boucher (later with Jesse Winchester and Bruce Cockburn), drummer Sandy Konikoff and organist Gord Fleming (later with John Hammond and Bearsville artists Jericho). Unfortunately, Starr's on only three 45s that I know of - and all are nearly impossible to find: "Howlin'" / "Driven From Home" by Jay Smith and the Majestics, "Blue Birds Over The Mountain" / "Diddley Diddley Daddy" by Ronnie Hawkins, and "Goin' To The River" / "Little Red Rooster" by Ronnie Hawkins. The Hawkins sides are at least available on the "RRRRRacket Time" LP, but that's pretty hard to find too. And of course both sides of the last 45 are on a British compilation, where they're credited to the Band. (Which is understandable, given how good Starr was: all of his solos on all of the records are first-rate examples of the Robertson style.) Since then he pretty much vanished, though someone told me he joined a New York band called the Valiants.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 20:46:08 CEST 2000 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

Happy Birthday Jan, and congrats on this site's success!

David Powell: I mentioned earlier about Willie Nelson's In The Jailhouse Now with Webb Pierce (Richard Manuel guesting), I wanted to tell you that Steve Hoffman did the remastering on the disc. For some reason I have it in my head that you liked his work. Its two albums on one disc with an album with Hank Snow and Willie being the other.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 19:17:03 CEST 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Pehr: Domenic Troiano was with Robbie Lane and the Disciples when that group was hired by Ronnie Hawkins in '63 or '64 - first to understudy the Band/Hawks in anticipation of their departure, and then to take the Band/ Hawks' place. So Troiano took over for Robbie Robertson and played on Hawkins' first post-Band/Hawks single, "Let The Good Times Roll" (credited to Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks - though by this time the Hawks were the Disciples) -and the concurrent first single by Robbie Lane and the Disciples, "Fannie Mae". Troiano wrote the b-side of the latter. Shortly after, Troiano was dumped by Hawkins - quite likely for not wanting to play like Robbie anymore - who took aboard two new guitarists, Terry Bush (for the tasty stuff) and Bobby Starr (for the dirty stuff). Those guys, Starr especially, got to shine on Hawkins next two singles. All of this material was recorded by Hawkins for his own Hawk label.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 18:48:02 CEST 2000 from (202.86.135.12)

Supratik

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAN !! Huge Cheer for the best webmaster on the web.

Lets have Jan for President ! :-))

This weekend Channel V in India is showing the The Band : Classic Albums documentary, probably on Sunday night. Anybody from the subcontinent can check Channel V for further details.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 18:36:59 CEST 2000 from 1cust175.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.175)

Crabgrass

I haven't checked into this yet but was wondering if any jazz artists have covered any classic Band tunes - particulary with instrumental versions. I think quite a few songs from the Band catalogue would lend themselves to such musical exploration and personally would much prefer this to hearing covers of the songs by other groups which would always invite comparison to the originals - and never match up!

The jazz idiom it seems would allow for a wide array of re-arrangements and interpretations. I know that sax man King Curtis did an instrumental version of "The Weight" a while back - but am not sure if this qualifies as "jazz." Maybe someone like John Simon would be qualified to get such a project underway or perhaps Garth could re-invent a few of the classic tunes instrumentally.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 18:37:40 CEST 2000 from stev101.lhup.edu (151.161.92.101)

Donn Mosser

The Band is the greatest. When I get of of this mountain you know where I wnna go, stright down the mississippi river to the gulf of mexico, to lake charles lousiana little bessy girl that once knew, she told me just to stop on by if theres anything that she could do. Up on cripple creek the greatest song ever recorded by The Band.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 18:23:48 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-167.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.167)

Peter Viney

Whoops. As has been pointed out to me, Mojo 3 has John Lee Hooker on the cover. Still lots of great pages on The Band, who are the lead feature.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 17:22:39 CEST 2000 from du16-250.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.250.16)

Ilkka

Jan: Gratulerer! Hep-hep-hep ;-)

Posted on Thu Oct 12 17:00:54 CEST 2000 from ip154.buffalo11.ny.pub-ip.psi.net (38.26.224.154)

G-MAN

JAN-HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CONGRATS, AND THANKS FOR THIS SUPER BAND/MUSIC VENUE: G-MAN

Posted on Thu Oct 12 16:58:46 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

Congratulations Jan and thanks again for all your hard work. It's great to hear that the special recognition you've received coincides with a special day.

From the fall harvest of newly released music: Fans of NRBQ have cause to rejoice. The group's magnificent third album, "Scraps", is finally available on CD from the fine folks at Rounder Records. Originally released in 1972 on the Kama Sutra label, this album marked the debut of guitarist Al Anderson, who joined NRBQ just days before the recording sessions started. Taking a page from The Band's "clubhouse" approach to recording, "Scraps" was recorded on location in a house the group was renting in Mount Vision, N.Y., with the legendary Eddie Kramer on board as producer & engineer.

NRBQ is rightfully known as the ultimate "bar band". Although these guys can seriously rock, they've always maintained a sense of humor in their performances, along with an uncanny ability to blend so many styles of music together. In my opinion, "Scraps" is one of their finest studio albums, displaying all the ingredients that make NRBQ such a distinctive group.

Following with departure of founding member Steve Ferguson, bassist Joey Spampinato and keyboardist Terry Adams really began to shine on this album as creative forces. Spampinato, an extraordinary bassist & fine singer, in particular stepped forward with such fine songs as "Don't Knock At My Door", "Only You", "Boys In the City" and "It's Not So Hard". Adams contributed such classics as "Howard Johnson's Got His Ho-Jo Working", "Tragic Magic", "Who Put The Garlic In The Glue?", "Do You Feel It?" and the album's title song which, in addition to opening with a reference to Lawrence Ferlengetti, features an incredible slide solo by Al Anderson. Adams & Spampinato also teamed up to write "Magnet", while former member Ferguson & Adams co-wrote the rockers, "Get A Grip" and "Ain't It All Right".

For this release, Rounder has included three perviously unreleased songs. The CD features fine clarity & detail in sound thanks to 24-bit remastering by Dr. Toby Mountain at Northeast Digital. This release is a must have for all NRBQ fans, as well as a great acquisition for anyone not familiar with the group. This is good, fun music -- you'll find yourself tappin' your feet & smilin' at the same time. After all -- that's what rock 'n roll is all about.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 16:41:57 CEST 2000 from (199.88.112.211)

Molly Z.

Wow!!!

Happy birthday Jan!!! Thank you so much for this website, and for doing such a fantastic job on this! I also want to congratulate you for winning another award!! You certainly deserve it on this special day. Keep up the great work, and have a great day!

Posted on Thu Oct 12 16:35:44 CEST 2000 from spider-wo011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.21)

Don Pugatch

New Music mini reviews, John Hiatt, accoustical, lively, bluesy, gritty, a winner. "

" Mark Knopler, unbelievable talent, influence of Dire Straits, Nashville, History of the world. Great duets with James Taylor and Van the Man. More then worth the money. "

"Van and Linda Gail, once again, Van reinvents himself. Old tunes sound new, Van is still the man, Linda's playing, gee, isn't she the Killer's sister, nough said. Great photo of Van, the Belfast Cowboy returns. Three for Three in my book of got to have CD's.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 16:04:49 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

Happy birthday, Jan, and many congratulations on the new award. This site has been declared a Cool Site?? Tell us something we DON'T know!! :)

Posted on Thu Oct 12 15:52:41 CEST 2000 from wc1-int1.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.200.214)

WS Walcott

I read somewhere that the 2nd edition of "This Wheels on Fire" was supposed to be in stores last month. I can't find it anywhere. Can anybody help me out with this? BTW are we finished talking about the Osmonds doing cover versions of Band tunes? Hope we don't move on to New Kids on the Block, Spice Girls, n sync, Backstreet Boys, etc. I think Baby Spice could handle the lead vocal on "The Weight" and the others could fill in with the harmonies. How did this topic ever get started anyway? It's like a bad dream come true!

Posted on Thu Oct 12 14:59:11 CEST 2000 from proxy-1441.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.237)

Just Wonderin'

Happy Birthday Jan. Thanks for the gift of this site!

Posted on Thu Oct 12 14:05:15 CEST 2000 from ppp164.a1-1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.9.166)

paul godfrey

Jan,

Many, Many happy returns on your birthday. And sincere congratulations re: the latest award for the site. The Band Site is so much more than a website. It is a wonderul meeting place to discuss and share memories of the music. All the best from the land of snow & Shine On!

Posted on Thu Oct 12 12:14:59 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-021.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.21)

Peter Viney

Mojo: get onto the back issues. #3 (Dec 1993) was an issue dedicated to The Band, and they were on the cover, with Greil Marcus and Barney Hoskyns writing. In November 98 they devoted 30 pages to Live 66. October 2000 reviews the reissues (Richard Williams). No, they didn’t review Jubilation, but that’s because (as far as I know) it’s never had an official British release. They did review Live At Breeze Hill. They don’t mention The Band enough, but in direct comparison to Q, Rolling Stone or Uncut, Mojo has mentioned them more than any other magazine. My database lists 30 references (reviews, short articles, quotes, 100 greatest albums, 100 greatest singles, 100 greatest guitarists –RR- 100 greatest singers – RM) in seven years. Persist. The writing is of a superior level, and there are, after all, other artists. Out of 83 issues to date, even I would hardly expect The Band to get more than one cover, as let’s be frank, they are no longer in existence.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 11:56:08 CEST 2000 from hud1-pm-21-81.termserv.net (204.97.156.81)

Diamond Lil

Conga-rats (dadadadada-da) to the birthday boy for yet _another_ web award! Proud of you Jan. Hug :-)

Posted on Thu Oct 12 11:08:24 CEST 2000 from spider-wo084.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.59)

miwa

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DEAR JAN!!! We're so glad you were born! What would we do without you? HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!! Til lykke med dagen..... we both elsker deg!!! xoxo

Posted on Thu Oct 12 09:53:05 CEST 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Peter Shaw: I always considered both "And scratched your name in sand" and "It's not written in the sand" as biblical references - not necessarily referring to each other. Or is this what you mean by "beyond the lyrics"?

Posted on Thu Oct 12 09:34:44 CEST 2000 from dialup-105.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.105)

HANK

Thank you Crazy Chester!!!

Thank you, LDO!!!

Happy birthday, Jan!!!

I wanna write about more stuff but i gotta run....

Posted on Thu Oct 12 08:09:16 CEST 2000 from 1cust225.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.225)

Crabgrass

Kudos and Happy Birthday to Jan - "The James Brown of Cyberspace - The Hardest Working Webmaster on the Internet."

Posted on Thu Oct 12 06:16:00 CEST 2000 from spider-wj043.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.38)

Dave Z

Hearing Fallen Angel on the radio was my first awakening that RR had actually put out a solo album... I'm not sure I even realized who it was at the time... I just loved it... I think I reacted the same way I did upon first hearing Dweller on the Threshold by Van... I know where I was driving at the time I heard it... and I got real excited that some good music was actually appearing in the 80's... the Native American imagery was just gravy to me and I'm not sure I picked up on it's directness either only that this was music moving in a direction I liked... after buying the record however, I was mostly moved by Showdown at Big Sky and Hell's Half Acre... it has something to do with that unique RR pace which is abrupt and ragged yet appears holistic after repeated listening... and my wanting more of something from the song after listening... just a little longer solo please... just another wail please... and RR's ability to make me feel like I'm looking at a painting that almost forces your eyes to busy-ily move around in a way that you see something different than just the object portrayed... Later on I found myself really liking Testimony especially after seeing the SNL version on rerun TV... anyway in college the religious right conducted some anti-R&R seminars at the U of M campus dorms and I remember allegations that the Band's music weirdness could cause heart attacks... and I am not so sure that the post-RR Band is guilty of this crime even though they still rocked with soul... but RR's solo stuff... yes with repeated listening maybe... I think that in the discussion of the Feud (sorry!) and how the group as a team created the final arranged product there is something missing on RR's unique ways... and it's more than Rick standing so he can hear the others or Levon playing the drums in a different fashion... Don't want to start another round of the feud... just enjoying the guity pleasure of a RR solo effort...

Can't wait for the Garth T-shirts and hopefully a solo CD... I like some of his solo organ and piano improv stuff from the various videos... and if he was inclined to do a cover with maybe a guest star... please let it be Van... and maybe a little Celtic Swing with some dueling saxophones... I'd also love to hear his voice like in TLW (i.e. evils of jazz)... yeah wouldn't it be cool if all the surviving members started doing the wails and chants... and rap... opps didn't want to go there either...

Posted on Thu Oct 12 05:02:48 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

BENTEEN

will do, bill.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 04:59:49 CEST 2000 from spider-wg044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.39)

Bashful Bill

Benteen-believe it or not, Willie Nelson and Sinead O'Connor do an even sweeter version(IMHO) of Don't Give Up on Willie's '93 album Over the Borderline. Check it out.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 04:25:43 CEST 2000 from 1cust121.tnt1.jackson.wy.da.uu.net (63.26.150.121)

jhwygirl

Just sending out my congradulations out to Jan for being recognized yet again for his work on this wonderful website. Jan, you certainly deserve it, and may there be many more!!!!!

Posted on Thu Oct 12 04:07:00 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

keith, right on! add to my list, brian wilson's, what would i be without you. could anyone here explain why such a simple melody could have such a moving effect on me?

Posted on Thu Oct 12 03:28:29 CEST 2000 from pppa8-resalebeaverton2-4r7165.saturn.bbn.com (4.54.75.69)

Peter Shaw

Fallen Angel also has a slight reference to tears of rage with "It's not just written in the sand," which of course goes beyond the lyric. If anyone on this list has never listened to Townes Van Zandt, perhaps now is a good time.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 03:24:07 CEST 2000 from d168.goes.com (208.195.247.168)

Keith

For the first time in a few years I will not be subscribing to Mojo. In the two years I've been a subscriber their hasn't been one decent article on The Band, just small mentions here and there. Also they have yet to be featured on the cover but Abba, Queen, Blondie, Sex Pistols and other lesser bands have been. And if they reviewed Jubilation, well I must have missed it. I like the Beatles (on the cover every other month) as much as the next guy but enough is enough already. I was beginning to think Mcartney was the only person polled in the 100 greatest songs issue. Scores of his songs, yet only 2 from Dylan, 1 from Brian Wilson and Randy Newman. Instead of Mojo they should just call it The Beatles. I also get sick of them fawning over Oasis and Radiohead, OK Computer was good enough but Kid A is a bunch of crap. It would be nice to see a reviewer with the integrity to say it. Don't get me wrong it is the best mag available with lots of good info, but until they do the Band justice I'll do without.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 02:51:47 CEST 2000 from cr762058-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com (24.114.212.207)

tony [sluggo]

The Band, the best...and this site is a fabulous testament to all the guys! Sure do miss them all playing together.. sluggo

Posted on Thu Oct 12 02:45:16 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

is it just me, or does anyone else here like, tupelo honey, st. dominic's preview by van morrison wooden ships, csny, atlantic city, thunder road, promised land, bruce springsteen, downtown train, i don't want to grow up, tom waites, can't find my way home, john barleycorn, blind faith, and kate bush and peter gabriel singing , don't give up,?

Posted on Thu Oct 12 02:38:15 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

peter v, when robbie sings, that's what the old man always said, it's a reference to his own father, who was a jewish gambler from toronto.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 02:32:50 CEST 2000 from m198214190216.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.190.216)

pehr

Thanks Bill, I didn't realize Domenic Troiano was a Hawk! Could you please fill me in on when he was in the band? (no pun)... what a great, great player.

Hi Carmen!

nice to hear people talking about "Fallen Angel". I'll light a candle and listen to it tonight when I get home.

Happy Birthday to...

Posted on Thu Oct 12 02:27:06 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

paul godfrey, shine on. just back from off the road and when headin out on tuesday, day after yom kippur, fallen angel came to my mind and i started piecing the lyrics back together. i overdosed on the song in 1988, metaphorically speaking, and since have not really thought of it till tuesday. learning of rick's death, triggered a nostalgia and part of it was hearing about richards death, which for me, ended any chance of recapturing the magic of my love for the band. when he passed, it was the closing of an era and although you may call me a fairweather fan, without him, there would be no new releases from the band for me.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 01:57:56 CEST 2000 from tnt3port443.dubois.pcidu.com (205.245.155.217)

Crazy Chester

Just received my contest CD from Hank and it's a winner! "An Open Kitchen On Princes Street" is high energy, acoustic based music from Hank and his mates in Cork.I hear some Richard Thompson,Waterboys,and of course,The Band influences in there. Track 2, "Easier Said Than Done" being my favorite so far but as Al Pacino said in "The Scent Of A Woman, "I'm just gettin started". At least I think he said that. Anyway,check it out if you haven't already. Good stuff!! Thanks Hank.

Posted on Thu Oct 12 01:14:33 CEST 2000 from hud1-pm-11-71.termserv.net (204.97.156.71)

Happy Birthday Jan!

Happy 41st to my favorite 59 model...who still has all his original parts :-) Love you. Have a wonderful day!

Posted on Wed Oct 11 23:15:26 CEST 2000 from x2-1.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.175)

Gene

I was told, by the guy who should know, that the bonus, unaccredited tracks at the end of Disc Two of the Troy Music Hall boot were PROBABLY the Red Clay Ramblers...can anybody shed any light on this?

Also, me and the Mrs. are going to be spending Thanksgiving with relatives in Georgia...can anybody help with web resources for good live music in the Alpharetta area?

Posted on Wed Oct 11 22:09:09 CEST 2000 from cs27121-115.houston.rr.com (24.27.121.115)

RBenoit

Just wanted to tell you, I absolutely have loved and listened to your music since I was just able to walk. From your first stuff backing up greats like the Hawk and Dylan, all the way to the stuff Robbie does today. Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing your gift with us. rennie

Posted on Wed Oct 11 21:34:29 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-096.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.96)

Peter Viney

Bones – absolutely right. The idea of starting "Big Pink" with "Tears of Rage" was a major innovation.
Rob Bowman (reissues notes): At the time no one opened an album with a slow song. It was Robbie’s idea to do this."
Rob Bowman: From Robbie Robertson’s perspective "It’s the most heartbreaking performance Richard ever sung in his life."
And in one way or another, all the tears, all the rage, all the blues in the night get referenced on "fallen angel."

Illka- if you’re watching the match, don’t post the result here till tomorrow! I’m carefully avoiding finding out the result until BBC show the highlights later tonight – I declined the early evening pay-as-you-view option (For the rest of you, I’m talking about England v Finland at football).

Posted on Wed Oct 11 19:13:03 CEST 2000 from host161-123-26-209.utelfla.com (209.26.123.161)

carmen

Fallen Angel was the first RR song I ever heard. I was in college at the time. This was the song that made me want more of both RR and the BAND. Now I can't get the song out of my head after reading the recent posts. Feeling a little blue about the meaning of the song as well as the fact that in another month it will be 1 year since I saw Rick and Garth at the Tin Angel in Philly. I can only hope that RR will write such a song for his brother Rick. This time mabey Levon and Garth will also be involved!"

" Best Regards to all GBer's!

Posted on Wed Oct 11 19:01:11 CEST 2000 from du90-4.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.4.90)

Ilkka's dog

My poor master seemed not to be able to write the Vcard address correctly in his previous post, sorry - NOW it's correct. BTW I checked the statistics: most of you newcomers who have visited the humble Vcard of my master use IE 5.5 - as a die-hard Netscape 2.0 user I don't know what to say!

Posted on Wed Oct 11 18:56:31 CEST 2000 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

Thanks to Paul, Bob and Peter for those great posts on "Fallen Angel". Paul is right, for the music and the emotion come together in that song. I don't think people in the GB realize how much Robbie loves "Tears Of Rage". He is the one who always discusses it as one of Richard's highlights, and Robbie is also the one who always pushes for its inclusion on "Best Of" complilations.

Posted on Wed Oct 11 18:02:57 CEST 2000 from du90-4.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.4.90)

Ilkka

About Nobel Prize in Literature. - Sorry, folks, the Prize Committee has a press conference tomorrow in Stockholm but Bob Dylan (the lead singer of The Band) seems not to be going to make it this time (not The Hawk, either, the sympathies are on you Ragtime). - If I were legitimate to nominate someone, I would nominate this community next year!

To Jan! There is a better prize waiting for you. There are many sexy Swedish-Finnish female students who are planning to take a job in Norway as a nurse. I always say them: after 30 years, if you meet "a Jan who knows Ilkka" in a home for aged, give him a "special treatment" ;-)

Posted on Wed Oct 11 17:52:34 CEST 2000 from spider-wi083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.58)

bob wigo

If there is someone among us here that knows how to contact Robbie Robertson at Dreamworks, either by e-mail or otherwise, please e-mail me. Thanks in advance.

Posted on Wed Oct 11 16:41:44 CEST 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

brown eyed girl and gene: Mike Shrieve is indeed the busy drummer on Santana's Woodstock version of "Soul Sacrifice". But it's his lookalike replacement, Graham Lear, who's Canadian. Lear came to Santana from Gino Vanelli's original Montreal-based band (as did keyboardist Richard Baker) via a very brief touchdown in ex-Hawk Domenic Troiano's fusion band. Before Vanelli, Lear recorded with Truck and before that Natural Gas. The latter was noteworthy for its singer, the great George Olliver, best known as the voice of Troiano's soul group, the Mandala, and for the fact that its LP came out on George Goldner's last label, Firebird.

Posted on Wed Oct 11 16:15:49 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-091.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.91)

Peter Viney

Well said, Paul Godfrey and Bob Wigo. "Fallen Angel" has subtle messages embroidered into the music as well as the lyrics. There is a magical relationship. From an earlier post:
"You gotta play the hand that’s dealt you, that’s what the old man always said"
I always think that has to be Ronnie Hawkins. And "all the tears, all the rage …" has to refer to "Tears of Rage" the first song on their first album, with music written by Richard, sung by Richard. And the rest, "In my dream I lost a friend … Come down Gabriel and blow your horn, Cause someday we will meet again."
And at the end it says "For Richard Manuel". And "Keyboards: Garth Hudson". As Paul says, Robbie captured the sound of Richard Manuel in the falsetto while reaching out to him. This is as good as it gets. Robbie has always carried a lot of the story in the music as well as the lyric. The more recent Native American material has simpler lyrics than in the past, but the music is simply taking a greater degree of the message. In my last posts on Crazy Horse, I forgot Jim Wilson’s credit, to my shame. His major contributions to the "Red Road Ensemble" includes "Twisted Hair," with his uncle David Carson, and Coyote Dance with Dave Pickell. Checking the credits took me back to the sleeve notes. There are apposite commentaries from RR, one of which Brown Eyed Girl reminded us of, as well as Native American quotes from Black Elk, Chief Seattle etc.

Coyote Dance:
Coyote- The trickster
There is much the Indian learned from old coyote.
He is an actor – he would play dead
A magician, a survivor and a powerful friend
He always wants it both ways
Is he like us or are we like him?

Posted on Wed Oct 11 14:51:33 CEST 2000 from spider-wi014.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.24)

bob wigo

Paul Godfrey:
Thanks for sharing those thoughts. I have been moved by "Fallen Angel" each and every time I have heard it. I have a clear recollection of the first time it came to my ears and the power of that moment. I believe it is one of the most beautiful and poignant songs of my lifetime.The composition is truly mesmerizing and the lyrics are clearly from the heart.

All the tears
All the rage
All the blues in the night
If my eyes could see
You kneeling in the silver light

If you're out there can you touch me
Can you see me I don't know
If you're out there can you reach me
Lay a flower in the snow

"Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossile to be silent." -- Victor Hugo

Posted on Wed Oct 11 12:43:49 CEST 2000 from hud1-pm-22-82.termserv.net (204.97.156.82)

Diamond Lil

Heheh...the Osmonds? One of my deepest, darkest secrts is probably the "crush" I had on Donny Osmond way back when..and I do have to laugh to seen that so many here actually know alot of the tunes they did :-)

Just a reminder to everyone to keep checking the Breeze Hill site (WWW.BREEZEHILL.NET) for some new and exciting things about Garth. There's a wonderful message board there as well..so post and show Garth and Breezehill that we support them!

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan :-)

Posted on Wed Oct 11 06:01:57 CEST 2000 from cache1.ev1.net (207.218.245.6)

Laura Holt Lorfing

Just wanted to say hello. I haven't surfed the GB in a good while...work has overtaken my life!! Just wanted to say that I'm glad all the regulars are still here. I put "The Waltz" on the turntable yesterday (working on the vinyl collection) and I must say that sound wise there is no comparison!! The sounds just blend so much better than CD..I really miss the record era! I got lucky with this paticular "Band Nugget" as I call it because it was in perfect condition. Some albums I have found are ok but this one looks like it's never been played and it sounds that way too. It was the best $60 I spent in a long time! I walked out of that store with a big smile! PEACE ALL :)

Posted on Wed Oct 11 05:42:03 CEST 2000 from spider-te082.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.212)

Bayou Sam

Paul Godfrey - nice post.

Posted on Wed Oct 11 05:09:11 CEST 2000 from ppp-207-214-149-251.snrf01.pacbell.net (207.214.149.251)

Da' Pouch Industries

Instrumental Funk 'n' Groove Band

Posted on Wed Oct 11 03:38:28 CEST 2000 from spider-wc024.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.29)

Amy Jo & Ray

Just got back from a little musical "Road Trip". Swung into Mexicali Blues in Teaneck NJ Friday night. Always great to hear the Honky Tonk Gurus playing. Even greater talking to all you guys. You all are so dang friendly & gracious everytime we meet up with you. Hope to see you on The Morning Show later this month.

Saturday it was down to Somers Point NJ to catch Hubert Sumlin & Levon Helm. They packed the Attic at Bubba Mac's Shack. These fans knew & were into the blues. Awed fans just watched with jaws open Hubert strumming & singing, Levon ripping the skin off them drums & Little "T" on guitar, keyboard & harmonica. Had quite a few people ask before the show if Levon would be singing. Explained that he wouldn't be, but gave my humble opinion that they would love the show & Levon's enthusiasm. I guess they agreed, 'cause many of them came back up to me during intermission & after the show to say how awesome they all were. Butch & Levon ---- you guys are just the BEST as far as Ray & I are concerned !!! As always it was a Pleasure to see you both & thanks for all the time & attention. Always good to see you & give ya both a big ole hug!! Levon thanks for introducing us to Hubert. He is quite a gentleman and it was nice to witness the friendship & high esteem you both have for each other. On stage you guys were HOT HOT HOT!!!

Ray & I talked with the manager the next day & he said that was one of the biggest crowds they have had upstairs and was sure they'd be asking them back. We told him to get The Barn Burners back there too! Once again, we urge all of you to get out there & see all these groups and support the current work they are producing. Not to diminish from all those great albums of the past that we all love & talk about here in the guestbook, but there is a whole lot going on in the present too thankfully!!!

Posted on Wed Oct 11 03:15:26 CEST 2000 from spider-tm044.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.64)

AJ Laufer

God Bless Rick and Richard. The music lives on. Nuff said.

Posted on Wed Oct 11 03:08:02 CEST 2000 from cfa1.execulink.net (199.166.6.10)

paul godfrey

Out working in my shop on a paddle and happened to throw on Robbie. Up fades the song and its "Falling Angel".

Robbie has reached out to his ancestors these past years and working with a piece of wood that takes its shape from Indian Legend somehow brings me closer to him this evening.

Certainly...not you, not I or anyone else in this guestbook can really get inside that head or that spirit in the song that connects Robbie and Richard. But just maybe the paddle and the great spirit can on occassion reach out and embrace and relate an emotion.

A little way into the song Robbie reaches for Richard in a haunting falsetto that simply cries out for some comfort or possibly insight into the land of shadows.

It has been a long time since the music and the emotion came together all in a brief second as it did tonight.

It is a moment like this that brings home the message displayed in the 5 empty picture frames backstage at the Last Waltz.

I stand not in judgement of anything before or since that event. But I do stand in awe and wonder, that this music can connect me with two of the 5 picture frames and the names Robbie and Richard in a manner that is beyond words.

Posted on Wed Oct 11 02:22:24 CEST 2000 from spider-tj062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.202)

butch

LEVON HELM & THE BARN BURNERS will be @ B.B. KINGS club,,, Tomorrow, wednesday ,OCTOBER 11th for two shows,,,,, Travis Tritt cancelled his show & the club called & asked Levon & the fellas to fill in, cause we are local,,, so, come & help Levon & the Barn Burners stave off a room full of pissed-off country fans,,, Tomorrow, Wed the 11th,,,,in NYC,,, thass all,,,, butch

Posted on Wed Oct 11 01:15:02 CEST 2000 from spider-th082.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.82)

Mike Davis

Hey if anyone can direct me to how to get in touch with Levon,I'd sure be happy, Thanks

Posted on Tue Oct 10 23:39:12 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

FYI, Richard Mulligan, who played Custer in the film version of "Little Big Man" passed away last week. He is perhaps best known for his role on US Television in the late-70s sitcom "Soap." He played Burt Campbell, the stepfather of the first openly gay character on US TV, played by a young Billy Crystal...

Posted on Tue Oct 10 23:05:06 CEST 2000 from m198214181179.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.179)

pehr

Crabby: I'd like to hear the band do "puppy love", and "one bad apple dont spoil the whole bunch girl"

." I dont care what they say I dont care what you heard!" -Donny Osmond,

from the ridiculous to sublime, one of my favorite bands in town, the Leroi Brothers, have a new record just out . They are a swampy Rock and Roll outfit thats been rockin' Austin and elsewhere since the early 80's or so. they have our favorite Garth Hudson on the new record, anyone heard it yet? I just found out yesterday. I dont remember the name of the record but I'll follow up soon. Buck Owens and Jimmie Vaughn are on it among others.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 23:03:31 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-002.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.2)

Peter Viney

Thanks, David. I thought I’d read most Thomas Berger, but I haven’t read Arthur Rex. Will seek it out asap.
Osmonds covers – well, OK, as long as none of The Band have to cover"Long Haired Lover From Liverpool."

To my surprise, British TV is showing a 60th Birthday Tribute tonight! Unfortunately, it’s to Cliff Richard. Well, many happy returns and all that, but my first thought was John. There are places I remember …

Posted on Tue Oct 10 20:46:22 CEST 2000 from sjiassoc16.erols.com (208.58.12.144)

Jon Lyness

New York City-area Band fans: according to a flyer I just received, there will be a FREE screening of The Last Waltz: 7:30 pm, October 25 (Weds.) at The Picnic House of Pier 40 (indoors), West Houston Street & the Hudson River, Manhattan, NYC. The flyer says "This unique space is located 950 feet out on the Hudson River at the Southwestern corner of Pier 40." This is part of a weekly concert film series (Oct. 18th is D.A. Pennebaker's Monterrey Pop!) celebrating special moments in 20th century music history. For more information: Hudson River Park Trust, 212-533-PARK or www.hudsonriverpark.org; Pier Park & Playground Assoc., 212-989-3764 or www.pier40.org.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 20:10:06 CEST 2000 from (209.19.78.25)

frank dracman

regarding talking heads / band connection

I dont know if there is one. I do know when I bought the 2nd "Levon Helm" album I heard "Take Me To The River" which I had only associated with the Heads. Since . . . Ive heard Al Green do it too.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 20:03:50 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

Just as Thomas Berger's "Little Big Man" explored the mythology of America's Wild West, his equally amazing novel, "Arthur Rex", was based on the English legend of King Arthur. The movie version of "Little Big Man" had an indirect Band-connection in that John Hammond did the soundtrack.

General Custer: "What do you think I should do, Muleskinner? Should I go down there or withdraw?

Jack Crabb: "General, you go down there -- there are thousands of Indians down there, and when they get done with you, there won't be nothin' left but a greasy spot. You go down there if you got the nerve."

General Custer: "Still trying to outsmart me, aren't you, Muleskinner? You want me to think that you don't want me to go down there, but the subtle truth is you really don't want me to go down there."

Posted on Tue Oct 10 19:39:39 CEST 2000 from (169.200.133.37)

Bones

I just purchased the new CD reissue for Willie Nelson/Webb Pierce's In The Jailhouse Now with Richard Manuel. Although a nice sounding recording, I was sorry the liner notes doesn't tell us which songs he sang or played on. Did he only play on the title track?

Posted on Tue Oct 10 19:34:54 CEST 2000 from twmaine-63-167-210-226.twmaine.com (63.167.210.226)

mattk

Random channel-surfing discoveries...

Public Broadcasting System aired a National Geographic special on Gene Shoemaker, who pioneered theories regarding asteroid impacts on the moon and Earth (also co-discoverer of the Shoemaker-Levy comet that smashed into Jupiter a few years back). The special was narrated by Robbie Robertson...

The documentary was excellent, btw, and did a great job of making the science and geology of the subject very accesible. The highlight, for me, was the discovery that an ancient impact crater exists in Germany, proven by the fact of a Gothic Cathederal's stone masonery is made of stone which resulted from the impact millions of years ago and included chunks of extraterrestial matter. I think there's something poetic about that.

Hi, Pehr. Things are going well, just a bit busy right now.

Cheers all. Give Peas a chance...they're high in essential nutrients.

Matt

Posted on Tue Oct 10 19:22:56 CEST 2000 from (129.237.77.56)

RPence

JOHN LENNON: I miss him and all his flaws, too. This is the twentieth anniversary year of his murder, and also of Ronald Reagan's election. I knew the 80s would be bad when Lennon was killed just a month after Ronnie won. Sure as hell am hoping that the US isn't going back to the age of Reagan this election year.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 19:19:08 CEST 2000 from (207.159.232.169)

jcf

What Band songs could the Osomonds have covered and vice versa?.. Well I don't know the Osmonds music. I'm sure that i'm leaving out some songs, but here are some things that I would have loved to see the Osmonds cover: Volcano, Jawbone, Lonesome suzie, Ophelia, To Kingdome Come... On a much more serious note, a while back Hank mentioned the Talking Heads, how about some suggestions for talking Heads covers of Band songs?

Posted on Tue Oct 10 19:11:25 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-039.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.39)

Peter Viney

Thomas Berger: In the first novel, Jack Crabb (aka Little Big Man) mentions the death of Crazy Horse:
"He surrendered a year later to the military and was stabbed to death in a scuffle at the agency while his arms was being held by another Indian called Little Big Man – Not me. He was a Sioux and therefore it was a different name though Englishing the same."
As everyone will know Jack was an honorary Cheyenne. Fiction or not, Berger must have done considerable research, and it’s Berger’s image of Custer at the Battle of Washita that sticks with me. The sequel doesn’t have the magic somehow, but it’s a skillful working of fact with fiction.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 09:25:28 CEST 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Amanda

I just put a link in webpage above to a review of Dylan: Behind the Shades- the Biography Revisited by Clinton Heylin (forthcoming in November). The reviewer isn't too enthused by it but I thought some of you might be vaguely interested.

Incidentally I was interested when I recently found out that John Lennon was married and a father at the age of 20.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 07:45:23 CEST 2000 from spider-ti033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.188)

miwa

Hey Y'all.....I haven't seen many postings in Garth's new messageboard at www.breezehill.net. Has everyone just been looking without posting like I have? I'm going to go ahead and post there. Anybody else interested in showing Breeze Hill Records that we support Garth? Maybe if enough of us ask about the/a CD, someone might let us know what's up soon. Wouldn't that be nice? Who knows, maybe someone's curious in how much interest there is in a Garth CD. I know I am! Hope to see you there. I will come back here to visit because I love this guest book. Everyone is so interesting and seem very informed about The Band. Thank you Jan!

Posted on Tue Oct 10 07:40:03 CEST 2000 from 1cust203.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.203)

rollie

Benteen, You're entitled to an opinion,just so long as it agrees with mine!---Cheers!--Rollie PS- Were they really catterwauling on t.v.?

Posted on Tue Oct 10 07:30:00 CEST 2000 from 1cust82.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.82)

rollie

TONE -DEAF- "Relatively insensitive to differences in musical pitch". sound familiar?

Posted on Tue Oct 10 07:07:41 CEST 2000 from spider-ti032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.187)

Bayou Sam

WOW - I didn't know that remembering the late great John Lennon on his birthday would cause another raging Beatle debate.

As has been stated already - John was the first to admit his shortcomings. He was always growing and put tremendous passion into what he beleived in.

From 1970 to 1975, just about all of the live performances he did were for a cause or a benifit for something. He once bought bullet proof vests for the NYC police(kind of a sad irony)

He gave up his honeymoon to try to make a plea for peace. He said at the time that he and Yoko didn't mind being the worlds clowns.

Nixon instructed the FBI to "find" something on Lennon so they could deport him. They didn't like him speaking out about Vietnam.

"we took the Staten Island ferry

makin' music for the telly

played the Fillmore and Apollo for freedom.

Tried to shake our image

just a cycling through the village

but we found that we had left it back in London

Well, nobody came to hustle, bustle us, or shove us

we decided to make it our home

If the man wants to throw us out

we're gonna jump and shout

The statue of Liberty said come"

- John Lennon 1972

Ya know, it's ok if you don't like his, or anybodys musical offerings. But don't make ridiculous statements about a persons character without knowing the facts. For example= John knew he fucked up when it came to being a dad to Julian. He walked away from everything in 1975 so he would not make the same mistake with Sean-only to be ripped away from his son (age 5) in the most horrific way imaginable. John was also, as someone mentioned, just beginning to attempt to fix the damage with Julian.

I'm almost done folks

As far as Yoko goes. John didn't "force" us to listen to her. He just chose to work with her after the Beatles. Had he not given us an awful lot at that point. It's like you people who want to hammer Robbie Robertson (I finally worked the Band in) for wanting to break from the Band and move on.

I'm no Yoko fan, but you have to respect the devotion and love between John and Yoko

Lennon took us on an amazing ride with his music. He was about as "no bullshit" as you could be - and if anyone misses that, I feel sorry for them.

When I hear those last interviews, and the excitment in his voice about making music again - and about life beginning at forty - it makes me incredibly sad, and angry at the same time.

I just wanted to wish him a Happy Birthday

My apologies to the Band fans that couln't care one way or the other about this, and had to read through this. I'm a pretty passionate Lennon fan, and a couple of those posts just brought forth this reaction. Thanks

PEACE

Posted on Tue Oct 10 06:50:23 CEST 2000 from h0000f8718e9a.ne.mediaone.net (24.128.16.201)

Long Distance Operator

Hank is my guestbook hero!

Posted on Tue Oct 10 06:18:11 CEST 2000 from spider-ti032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.187)

Bayou Sam

David Powell - thanks for the Dan Baird response. I always liked the Georgia Satellite stuff. Straight ahead, high energy, fun rock and roll. I will seek out Baird's first album because he had a great song called "I love you period"' which isn't on Buffalo Nickel, so it must be on the first one.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 05:22:48 CEST 2000 from user-33qt9oc.dialup.mindspring.com (199.174.167.12)

Pat Brennan

Dylan tells a great story about listening to a car radio somewhere out in Colorado and hearing the Beatles. He claimed he saw at that moment where music was going. I for one believe him.

Lennon became deeply committed to the Peace movement, so much so that he was tagged a dangerous person by the FBI, something of a badge of honor. By the end of his life, he had become a dedicated husband and father. As mentioned earlier, he publicly bemoaned his earlier failings at both. However, if you need any proof of his good soul, pull out In My Life. It is simply one of the greatest songs ever written.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 05:18:05 CEST 2000 from stcatherines-ppp109101.sympatico.ca (216.209.112.32)

Richard Patterson

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOHN LENNON!!!

CRABGRASS: Didn't RR do a version of "Down By the Lazy River"?

Posted on Tue Oct 10 05:01:45 CEST 2000 from 1cust76.tnt11.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.134.76)

Crabgrass

Which Band songs could the Osmonds have done good covers of and vice versa? Also, why weren't they invited to The Last Waltz?

Posted on Tue Oct 10 04:58:07 CEST 2000 from ts1-2.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.2)

Cupid

Match Head...New here huh,stick around and you'll see why I came here to grieve.There's a lot of brothers and sisters here who feel as I do.I find comfort in their posts,I feel less alone on days like today.This place got me[and a lot of other folks] through Rick Danko's passing.Hope that answers your question.Peace Cupid

Posted on Tue Oct 10 04:28:40 CEST 2000 from ch3smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.59)

brown eyed girl

Correction: "Ghost Dance" was written by Robbie Robertson and Jim Wilson....."When the government got wind of this, they said,"I don't know what this, Ghost Dance, is, but I don't even like the sound of it. Tell all Indians it is now illegal." When they refused to stop practicing their form of worship, on December 29, 1890, the calvary massacred three hundred unarmed Sioux, mostly women and children, at Wounded Knee."

Posted on Tue Oct 10 04:19:47 CEST 2000 from dialup-346.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.90)

HANK

Yer all wrong about Crazy Horse, dudes.......

CRAZY HORSE is abuncha loud stoners what play behind Neil Young and he probably pays 'em in Canadian Dollars........

John Lennon really thought he was Jesus Christ....for a while.....Um,..........I just watched a bit of "Imagine John Lennon" ....the stunt in the bag in the bag in Vienna is pure GENIUS....I was laughin' me head off!!!!.......c'mon people!!!!.....he was a self-confessed Clown......felt like he was in a circus in The Beatles.....HappyBeatleCircus Clown with The Beatles/Sad MediaCircusClown with Yoko...but with them and on his own he made consistenly great records for almost 10 years straight.......putting out messages like "All You Need Is Love" and "Give Peace A Chance"......it either HURTS you or THRILLS you to hear those songs......but either way, they TOUCH you if only 'cos everyone else is groovin' to it..........anyway, Band Fans.........the fact that George Harrison dug 'em, gained our heros alot of cred in '68......It's pointless arguing with The Beatles........did you EVER see those guys being interviewed?.......Scousers!!!!.........

Keith Richards said about The Beatles once in Spin magazine circa 1983 " There was nothing wrong with that band that a few years off would'nt have solved.....and it woulda been interesting for music all round"......er, sorry Keef...might not be verbatim.......Could the same be said about The Band???

Posted on Tue Oct 10 04:17:39 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

face it, the beatles changed their pop style to a contrived "deep" stlye, to be more like the rolling stones. paul didn't like it, and as soon as the beatles disbanded he went back to doing what he did best, POP!!!!.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 04:00:37 CEST 2000 from h048.n-c6ac1f.sac.verio.net (198.172.31.48)

Richard Whelan-Stevens

I hate to have to participate in another Beatles defense thread, but I don't know of anyone is promoting John Lennon as an icon of virtue, especially not John Lennon himself. He was extremely candid about his failures as a father and husband with his first son and his first marriage, and in one of his last interviews, expressed his desire and intention to repair his relationship with Julian. What kind of father could anyone have expected him to be during the beginning and height of Beatlemania?

In terms of hypocracy, maybe Julian is a nice guy, but I find it very interesting that he spoke very favorably of his father early in his career when his star was rising, but when his recording career washed out, he became increasingly bitter and resentful towards his father...as if he was blaming John for the lack of his success./n In the song "Imagine" John was not urging everyone to give up their possessions. He was merely asking us to imagine how we would live our lives if not hung up on materialism. Where is the hypocracy in that?/n The Beatles were just a pop band? I can't imagine this claim being made by anyone who actually knew anything about their music. The Beatles, along with Dylan, were the main factor that changed rock music from happy go lucky music for teenagers to dance to into a serious means of artistic expression. Without the Beatles "pop", Dylan would have remained a folkie...and The Band would be remembered soley as the best Bo Diddly/Chuck Berry cover band of all time.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 03:53:09 CEST 2000 from stjhts18c56.nbnet.nb.ca (142.166.254.61)

WS Walcott

No longer riding on the merry-go round

I just had to let it go.

Happy 60th Birthday John

Rest in Peace Brother

Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 03:29:40 CEST 2000 from spider-mtc-tb014.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.24)

Match Head

CUPID: Why would you come here to grieve?

Posted on Tue Oct 10 03:05:27 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

funny you ask rollie. i think i am tone deaf, but i know what i like and just today, my wife and i both looked at each other as our daughter was watching john and yoko catterwauling on t.v. and we both asked her to change the channel. now it's not fair, i know, to blame john for yoko's musical shortcomings, but why did he have to foist them upon us?

Posted on Tue Oct 10 02:59:17 CEST 2000 from ts1-25.steveston.axion.net (207.34.146.25)

Cupid

Tennessee and Benteen...In no way do I want to silence you and I do respect your opinions but it is difficult to read your posts on this of all day's.I wish you'd have waited a couple of days to express your selves.Today is hard enough for some of us.I came here to grieve with some of the GB folks who feel about John as I do and the first two post's I see are condemnations[that may be too strong a word].To those of you who miss John, hugs...Peace Cupid

Posted on Tue Oct 10 02:50:15 CEST 2000 from 1cust59.tnt2.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.25.9.59)

rollie

BENTEEN, I'm sure you're a wonderful person,but I just gotta say this. Are you tone-deaf?--Your friend, Rollie--

Posted on Tue Oct 10 02:46:18 CEST 2000 from trt-on79-130.netcom.ca (142.154.117.162)

John Donabie

Regarding the Julian Lennon talk. I interviewed him last year and found him to be one of the nicest people I have had the pleasure of meeting. We talked a lot about John, his mom, stepfather (who he adored) and Yoko. He ended the interview by saying that he loved his father's music and highly respected him musically........."he just wasn't a very good dad." The fact that he has had to spend much of his inheritance (which took him forever to get) "buying" back some of his father's things that Yoko either sold or put up for auction is very sad.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 02:00:19 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

i'm with you tennessee. just how did lennon become this icon of virtue?

Posted on Tue Oct 10 01:57:04 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

interesting that berger would name his protaganist little big man, as this was the name of the indian that is generally believed to have held crazy horse's arms while a soldier or two ran a bayonet into him at ft. robinson. also a detachment of 40 sioux indians were arresting sitting bull when his death occurred and it was one of them who shot sitting bull. both deaths are said to have occurred as a result of political infighting amongst chiefs in the area. divide and conquer, a sound strategy through the ages for the warring class.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 01:08:26 CEST 2000 from host-216-76-150-136.bna.bellsouth.net (216.76.150.136)

BWNWITennessee

Okay, I got a new address. I'm not going to check it too often, though.

Isn't John Lennon the guy that saw his own son about three times in his life? I know Julian doesn't seem to have too high of an opinion of him. And didn't he beat up Cynthia? I'm sure I'll be corrected vehemently if I'm wrong. That's what I heard, though. Hypocrisy just doesn't sit too well with me. "Imagine no possessions/I WONDER IF YOU CAN?" Is that arrogant or what? I can imagine it, and maybe John could, too, but I didn't see him doing too much about it. He didn't sell his Rolls or the high-rise apartment. Doesn't Elvis Costello have a song somewhere that goes, "Wasn't it a millionare that said/Imagine no possesions?" I mean, I respect the fact that his family must miss him and stuff, but I'm just not buying the whole routine.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 00:29:47 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

gotta say this. i've never seen the big deal about john lennon or the beatles for that matter. i wouldn't even compare the beatles to the band as one was basically a pop group and the other was ,,,,,,?????, not. the band was a sound born of traditional roots, representative of a culmination of a young countries evolutionary fulfillment of a new music's promise.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 00:26:52 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-017.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.17)

Peter Viney

Previous post should be "KNEW the secret of the trance", not learned.
Dee Brown
Sitting Bull listened to all that Kicking bear had to relate about the messiah and the Ghost dance. He did not believe it was possible for dead men to return and live again.
Sitting Bull had no objections to his people dancing the ghost dance.
With some scepticism, Sitting Bull invited Kicking Bear to remain … and teach them the dance of the ghosts
(During the murder of Sitting Bull) the old show horse that Buffalo Bill had presented to Sitting Bull began to go through his tricks … it seemed to those who watched that he was dancing the Dance of the Ghost.

For a fictional account of the last years (and seconds) of Sitting Bull, see Thomas Berger’s sequel to "Little Big Man" … "The return of Little Big Man". Yes, maybe "martyr" is more appropriate than "apostle". Still a great song though.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 00:19:03 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

good stuff peter. after submitting my post, i realised that i was in error as i misread the lyrics. as to crazy horse's name, well, that is still in doubt as to where he came by it.while dee brown is an excellent writer, she fails sometimes to point out grey areas and tries to pass her thoughts off as fact. historical fiction, i believe, is the correct term.

Posted on Tue Oct 10 00:10:08 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-179.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.179)

Peter Viney

OK, so Crazy Horse died in 1877, about 10 years or so before the Ghost dance. However:
"Since the time of his youth, Crazy Horse had known that the world men lived in was only a shadow of the real world. To get into the real world, he had to dream, and when he was in the real world everything seemed to float or dance. In this world, his horse danced as if it were wild or crazy, and this was why he called himself Crazy Horse. He had learned that if he dreamed himself into the real world before going into a fight, he could endure anything."
Dee Brown, "Bury My heart at wounded Knee."

"Crazy Horse was a mystic. He learned the secret of the trance."
Robbie Robertson. "Ghost dance." Sounds fair.

Peter Gabriel’s label is called "Real world"
Wasn’t "Crazy Horses" a hit for The Osmonds?
A particularly vigorous English defender in soccer is known as Crazy Horse.

Posted on Mon Oct 9 23:15:05 CEST 2000 from c1073338-b.fedwy1.wa.home.com (24.16.241.233)

Ronnie Lansdell

I just want to thank you for all the great music you've done.I spent 20 years of my life working as a disc jockey in rock and roll radio . I have around 800 albums (mostley Blues and Rock) Everything from the Allman Brothers The Band,Baez ,Zimmerman to zz Top ,I play blues guitar and love it all.It was a pleasure to play your music on my show.I'm from Pine Bluff,Arkansas.Johnny Cash is my 3rd cousin, Of course everybody is related to Johnny in Arkansas. Down there the family tree ain't got no limbs.Thank You ,Keep on a pickn and a grinin

Posted on Mon Oct 9 22:15:00 CEST 2000 from dialup-383.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.127)

HANK

Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can.....

Possession is 9/10ths of the problem..........

Long Lost John

Can someone please tell me if, when Hubert Sumlin plays here in Cork City, Ireland in a few weeks, Levon Helm is playing with him? Please say it's true..........Am I wrong in thinking that Levon is playing with Huberts band?.....This is what I deducted from reading Chris Doughertys post...........and I quote

......." Blues Man Hubert sumlin with his great band and the one and only Mr. Levon Helm on Drums. Levons drumming that night seemed so powerful. He's out there playing better than ever (if it's possible for him to even have room for improvement)......"

.....Oh Please, someone tell me that Levon is playing in Cork with Hubert.........I mean, it's rockin' enuff that Hubert is playing in Cork...but if Levon is there as well......HEAVEN...../y'all should book tickets an' come an' hang out here in Cork........

Posted on Mon Oct 9 21:39:44 CEST 2000 from (169.200.133.38)

Bones

Is it my imagination or does it seem like there are more bootleg titles than ever before? Maybe it is due to the advent of the CD-R. Band-related recordings(official or unofficial) used to be hard to come by. Now I feel like we are getting lots of new stuff.

Posted on Mon Oct 9 21:31:43 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

thanks brown eyed girl. not to nit-pik, but crazy horse was dead before the ghost dance was introduced and sitting bull never endorsed the dance.

Posted on Mon Oct 9 21:30:07 CEST 2000 from spider-wc012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.22)

Dave [The Drummer]

Mike,

Yes... I remember Redbone quite well , (I'm dating myself here lol) . They also had a hit with the song "Maggie". I always thought that they had a great groove and excellent guitar playing. Remember JWL.... PEACE.... Dave

Posted on Mon Oct 9 21:27:42 CEST 2000 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

"....You can kill my body. You can damn my soul. For not believing in your god. And some world down below. You don't stand a chance against my prayers. You don't stand a chance against my love. They outlawed the Ghost Dance. But we shall live again, we shall live again.....Crazy Horse was a mystic. He knew the secret of the trance. And Sitting Bull the great apostle of the Ghost Dance. Come on Comanche. Come on Blackfoot. Come on Shoshone. Come on Cheyenne. We shall live again. Come on Arapaho. Come on Cherokee. Come on Paiute. Come on Sioux. We shall live again. ("Ghost Dance" by Robbie Robertson)

Posted on Mon Oct 9 21:15:16 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

thanks mike. weren't they the group that did, witch queen of new orleans?

Posted on Mon Oct 9 20:40:37 CEST 2000 from proxy1-external.moline1.il.home.com (24.4.252.114)

Mike

Hey Benteen, there is an album and song called "Wovoka" by a band called Redbone. Their music explores their native american roots, R&B, gospel and funk. An eclectic mix, but if you can find the cd I recommend it. An acquired taste. They did have one top 5 hit in 1974 with "Come And Get Your Love". Most people don't remember this group. How about anyone here in the guestbook? Peace. Mike

Posted on Mon Oct 9 20:27:52 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

oops! while going through robertson's bio here, i came across the title, "ghost dance". i now see that robbie has written at least one song about a part of the plains war saga. it is based upon the religion of desperation that the native americans adopted as a final salvation from the imminent loss of their beloved lifestyle. a paiute prophet named wovoka, exhorted them to dance until all their ancestors and the buffalo returned. the sioux variation was to wear ghost shirts which would protect them from the white man's bullets. while not a war dance, the whites of the area became alarmed and the army was called in to stop the movement. the police action resulted in the tragedy of wounded knee on a cold december in 1890 in south dakota. for all intensive purposes this was the end of the plains wars, the ghost dance religion and a way of life for an indigenous culture. wopilla, mitaki oyasin.

Posted on Mon Oct 9 20:08:41 CEST 2000 from hud1-pm-19-79.termserv.net (204.97.156.79)

Lil

...Living life in peace
You may say I'm a dreamer....

Posted on Mon Oct 9 19:00:49 CEST 2000 from m198214176138.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.138)

Pehr

Imagine all the people...

Posted on Mon Oct 9 18:23:22 CEST 2000 from 1cust102.tnt9.nyc3.da.uu.net (63.23.128.102)

Crabgrass

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us
Above us only sky...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too...

John Lennon -- Imagine www.rajczyk.com/John_Lennon.html for links to JL sites.

Posted on Mon Oct 9 18:07:36 CEST 2000 from du129-2.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.2.129)

Ilkka

NANCY and BENTEEN. Come closer to the camp fire, share this meal, Benteen - taste this Russian pie, Nancy - there is still some Algerian wine left in my tent, bring some of your food here, too. In the tent nearby there is two Dutchmen who were in Woodstock for a month ago, can't you believe - Woodstock, let's hear their story. What else can we do - how can you refuse - in the "Times Like These" - in the midnight sun of the late sixties. And if you are still alive after 30 years, or if you are reborn, if you are young people, old people, - you are precious jewels - "would it embarrace you, if I told you, that I love you".

Posted on Mon Oct 9 16:57:19 CEST 2000 from cg960166-a.adubn1.nj.home.com (65.1.172.67)

Chris Dougherty

Ahh yes, how easy it would be to fall prey to a"Guestbook" debate. Thank you but I decline the offer. I did not mean to insult any of the fine people here at the "Guestbook with my enthusiasm for great music. Thanks.

Posted on Mon Oct 9 16:53:18 CEST 2000 from electro7206vxr.electro-net.com (199.44.160.3)

Brent

Last night I read Pat Brennan's fascinating article on "Watkins Glen". What a shame that Capitol felt they had to pull a fast one on the public with this release. Anyway, on first listen it seems that the version of "The Rumor" may be the same one that's on "Crossing the Great Divide", which would make it a "Rock of Ages" outtake. Anyone else think this may be the case??

Posted on Mon Oct 9 16:38:16 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

"Wake up Jake, it's way past mornin'"

Bayou Sam -- nice to hear someone else has discovered Dan Baird's great "Buffalo Nickel" album. With "Woke Up Jake", Mr. Baird is definitely playing tribute to The Band. Picking one of their lesser known songs as a jumping-off point is evidence that he's probably a hard-core fan. As a member of the Georgia Satellites, Mr. Baird had a big hit with "Keep Your Hands To Yourself". The group always reminded me of Rod Stewart, in his prime with The Faces, but with a Southern twist. The Atlanta-based Satellites had a huge influence on another group from this area, The Black Crowes.

Mr. Baird's "Buffalo Nickel" is a really rockin' album. Other songs include: "Younger Face", which laments the fact that the music industry is always looking for the next hot young act. "Cumberland River", a satire of the Nashville music scene. A version of Joe South's "Hush" that just burns the Deep Purple take and includes a rare appearance of the reclusive Mr. South on back-up vocals. The album was produced by Brendan O'Brien and recorded at Southern Tracks in Atlanta. Originally released in 1996 by the American Recordings label, I understand that it may be hard to find. I also highly recommend Mr. Baird's 1992 debut solo album, "Love Songs For The Hearing Impaired", also released by American Recordings and produced by Mr. O'Brien. As the title implies, this is CD that rocks.

It was sixty years ago today, that John Winston Lennon came to play:

"Living is easy with eyes closed,
misunderstanding's all you see.
It's getting hard to be someone,
but it all works out.
It doesn't matter much to me."

Posted on Mon Oct 9 16:15:54 CEST 2000 from spider-tl024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.184)

bob wigo

Chris Doughterty: Glad you enjoyed the show. Most of the regular GBers here have been "off their asses" for some time regarding their efforts to see Levon and the other members in their varied performance venues. Because you see the same names here only means those folks enjoy the company they're keeping and the conversation they share.Hop down from your perch and enjoy it as well.

On this the birthday of John Lennon I am reminded of a beautiful essay in Ken Kesey's book "Demon Box". The title of the essay escapes me for now. It was a beautiful tribute to Lennon and his quest for peace. I recommend you seek it out if you have not already.

May he rest in peace.

Posted on Mon Oct 9 15:31:04 CEST 2000 from cg960166-a.adubn1.nj.home.com (65.1.172.67)

Chris dougherty

What an incredible show Saturdaynight in Somers Point. Blues Man Hubert sumlin with his great band and the one and only Mr. Levon Helm on Drums. Levons drumming that night seemed so powerful. He's out there playing better than ever (if it's possible for him to even have room for improvement)so I suggest some of you here at the "Guestbook" who seem to be shackled to your computer get off your asses and go see the real thing! Thanks!!!

Posted on Mon Oct 9 14:28:56 CEST 2000 from (205.230.10.2)

Bob R

Caught Levon & the Barnburners last night in Northampton Mass--- and WHAT a show it was ! They played a blistering set--if you have not seen them you owe it to yourself to do it--what a great time! Highlights for me were a killer version of "Mystery Train" and Amy Helm's scalding version of "Wang Dang Doodle"---they are so tight ! It took me over 5 hours of round trip driving , but it was well worth it-- not only are they one of the best live bands out there today, they also are some of the nicest-- Levon, Amy, the rest of the group as well as their road guys (George) were terrific--special guest last night was T-Bone Walk on accordian--all in all a rockin' evening--- heading up to Portland Maine on Nov 3rd to catch them again---if you get the chance to see 'em, go for it!

Posted on Mon Oct 9 14:19:44 CEST 2000 from x2-15.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.189)

Gene

Always Know
Sometimes Think
It's Me
But
You Know
I Know
And It's A Dream...

Posted on Mon Oct 9 13:10:27 CEST 2000 from 115.0101.bun.iprimus.net.au (202.138.60.115)

Nancy

Benteen, you are absolutely forgiven. Go in peace, my son.

Sounds like the US Customs Service are slipping if they are allowing waterbuffalo into the country without a full body search.....

Posted on Mon Oct 9 10:18:28 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

dear nancy, i'm sorry my inquiry as to the cause of rick danko's death caused you such distress. my reason for asking, was that i was aware of mr. danko's ongoing problem with substance abuse and was interested to know if this is what killed him. as a recovered drug addict, i in no way pass judgement on a person with an illness that is fatal if left untreated. in closing, while i guess my interest was of a morbid nature, my hope is that it was not drugs that killed him, and that he had died sober. this wish is for all the sufferers of the disease, myself included.

Posted on Mon Oct 9 08:45:22 CEST 2000 from cf3k-3.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.183)

Amanda

Tenessee- you can always use a hotmail account for public forums- easy to set up and easy to abandon & also has a spam filter.

Posted on Mon Oct 9 08:07:17 CEST 2000 from proxy-1441.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.237)

Barry Gross

I really enjoy music sang by Levon Helm. I'm a big fan of blues music too. The first time I ever became familiar with the name (Levon Helm) was from a show I saw on public television in 96 (I think). The show was called "Great Drives: Highway 61". Being a blues fan, I really enjoyed the show. It was outstanding. I have the show recorded on video tape. ____HeRe'S My QuEsTiOn____: Does anybody know where to find recordings from "Great Drives: Highway 61" on CD, in sterio quality. It don't care if its bootleg, smuggled into the U.S. in the cavity of a water buffalo, just tell me, please, where to obtain the songs, in full length sterio sound. Thanks.

Posted on Mon Oct 9 07:59:35 CEST 2000 from 167.0102.bun.iprimus.net.au (202.138.60.167)

Nancy

Bayou Sam: I know you are one of the good guys and all that, however I think you missed my point about people wanting to know about Rick's cause of death. Sure, someone would be very troubled to find out nearly a year later that Rick Danko died in December 1999, and it is understandable for them to mention that in here. However, it's the way people want to know the PERSONAL and VERY PRIVATE aspects of his passing, and ask about that information here that sticks in my throat.

I went through a fascination with eBay a while back (before I realised that I couldn't afford to squander any more pathetic aussie dollars on gear from the USA). Anyway I noticed that some foolish sicko (maybe only my opinion) was repeatedly putting up copies of Janis Joplin's death certificate for sale. NOT a nice way to make a buck! No-one seemed to be BUYING them, so maybe I wasn't the only one thinking that the right for the public to delve into private information stops well short of knowing details of a person's last few hours or minutes.

And that's exactly what I am getting at in regards to Rick. Although the public has the right to public interest information, there is a line between that and personal information. We seem to have differing opinions on what is personal and what is public. Perhaps I am hopelessly out of touch with what the wider world community feels is normal. Educate me.

Posted on Mon Oct 9 07:10:24 CEST 2000 from spider-wl083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.58)

Bayou Sam

OCTOBER 9TH - HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO JOHN LENNON

Too soon gone

Remember The Walrus today on what would have been his 60th birthday - a man who screamed for peace-and died so violently. Listen to some Lennon today if you can

"I want you to make love, not war - I know, you've heard it before - John Lennon 1973

PEACE

Posted on Mon Oct 9 06:54:03 CEST 2000 from spider-wl083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.58)

Bayou Sam

When someone asks about Rick's death in here it is easy to be amazed at such a question - if you are a fan who is always in here and very much "up" on what's happening. You have to imagine a person who may have just discovered this site, or someone who isn't as rabid a fan as some of us are, that expects, rightfully so - I think - that they can ask such a question here and get an accurate answer. The other day somebody said that they didn't know Rick had died. So let's tell him/her what happened and turn this person on to the wonderful posthumous album from Rick. BTW, good job by Lil to quickly squash the overdose inaccuracy that was posted.In other words - let's not be so quick to react negatively to such folks and these questions.

Thanks Peter Viney for your response on Paul Simon. I agree that he's one of those artists that you give a few listens to if need be. The odds are good that you will enjoy the work.

Posted on Mon Oct 9 06:34:17 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-112-151.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.112.151)

BWNWITennessee

Okay, I guess the answer is yes, I can just make something up. Why didn't I try that before? I guess I'm too gullible. Anyone trying to reach me can scour the archives.

Posted on Mon Oct 9 06:31:17 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-112-151.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.112.151)

BWNWITennessee

John, and whoever else sends me annoying chain e-mails, according to my local conspiracy theorist (we all have one), there are programs, or something, that allow whoever originally sends a message to recieve the addresses of everyone that it was forwarded to, thus getting names for a junk mailing list, or whatever else it is those losers do. Maybe it's not true, but if you really think Intel is going to pay you $200 for sending an e-mail... don't move out of Mom's house just yet.

Speaking of which, Jan, I guess requiring an e-mail address cuts down on stupid postings and allows for personal contact, cutting down on dumb inter-personal arguments on the GB, but I really, really hate putting my private e-mail address in a public forum. I guess I could just make something up. Anyone else have any opinions on this?

Posted on Mon Oct 9 05:23:42 CEST 2000 from wc1-int2.nbnet.nb.ca (198.164.200.230)

WS Walcott

Recently purchased Lucinda Williams "Car Wheels On A Gravel Road." Great album! Do we really have to talk about the causes of Rick's death? A little morbid don't you think?

Posted on Mon Oct 9 04:26:51 CEST 2000 from 203.0103.bun.iprimus.net.au (202.138.60.203)

Nancy

Some kind person once said that they appreciated my "always positive" comments on the GB, well this is my first gripe and whinge! I get really pissed off when people ask about what condition caused Rick's premature death. Surely the man who gave much of himself publicly to his fans and audiences over the years, has the right to privacy in regards to his death??? What is the fascination with knowing why or how he died? It's NONE of YOUR business.

Posted on Sun Oct 8 23:10:37 CEST 2000 from du-tele3-139.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.139)

Peter Viney

Paul Simon’s new one (You’re the One): In answer to Bayou Sam … I’ve had it a week. The first impressions are a bit too Capemanish – articulate, brilliant semi-talking to beautiful intricate backing without enough strong hooks. BUT this might mean that it’s just a subtle grower like "Two against Nature" by Steely Dan. Being Paul Simon, it’s going to get enough plays to give it a good chance of impressing itself. He plays London in a couple of weeks, and I have tickets, so I’m going to give it a lot of opportunity. For pure pop melody the best I’ve heard this month is Rodger Hodgson’s new one on Sony. Also recommended (for all you Richard Thompson fans) is Eliza Carthy "Angels and Cigarettes" – more accesible than Red / Rice was because it’s more mainstream. "The Company of Men" wins the prize for most quoted first line by album reviewers.

Posted on Sun Oct 8 20:55:26 CEST 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

John Teitelbaum - maybe you mean well, but PLEASE DON'T SEND MASS EMAILS. There's more than enough pollution in cyberspace already.

Posted on Sun Oct 8 20:22:03 CEST 2000 from hud1-pm-17-77.termserv.net (204.97.156.77)

Diamond Lil

Please...Rick did not die of a drug overdose or a heart attack. He died of a massive stroke, peacefully in his sleep.

Posted on Sun Oct 8 20:01:35 CEST 2000 from pool-63.53.78.193.nwrk.grid.net (63.53.78.193)

John Teitelbaum

benteen, rick apparently died from either a heart attack or from a drug overdose last december. BAND fans, i am sending a mass email to most of you. it is a beta test for Intel where you can make a lot of money. just thought id let you know. thanx

Posted on Sun Oct 8 19:06:41 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

i was going through the site and was unaware of rick"s death. could someone tell me the cause of death?

Posted on Sun Oct 8 08:07:12 CEST 2000 from ip113.vancouver13.dialup.canada.psi.net (154.5.155.113)

Michael Kinal

Cool site. I listened to the Band way back in 1970. I'm a drummer and I used to dig playing with their tunes. Sad to see two of them gone. Hope to check out Rick's solo albums. All the best Band fans.

Posted on Sun Oct 8 06:22:20 CEST 2000 from spider-wm046.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.191)

Bayou Sam

.......... I just came across a CD called Buffalo Nickel by Dan Baird. He was the guy from the Georgia Satellites(remember them?)- well, there is a tune on there called "Woke Up Jake". It's right along the lines of "Get Up Jake". I wondered if any of you are familiar with this. Maybe Mr. Baird is tipping his hat to the Band. Anyone have any idea?

I've gotten all the re-issues finally, and just as I suspected-I like 'em

........ saw Levon's updated book in the store and I thumbed through the added part. He is as pissed off as ever.It's sad to see him brewing with all that anger especially considering what he's been through the last couple of years. I would have bought the book but I was purchasing the Beatles Anthology book which is a whole lot of book.

Anyone pick up Paul Simon's new one?

Posted on Sun Oct 8 04:59:18 CEST 2000 from x2-11.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.185)

Gene, again

Also, to brown eyed girl, is the Mike Shrieve, that you mentioned, THE Mike Shrieve (that was so splendid AND photogenic, beatin' them skins on "Soul Sacrifice" with Santana, on Woodstock - the movie)? I had no idea that he was from the Great White North.

Posted on Sun Oct 8 04:49:47 CEST 2000 from x2-11.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net (216.179.14.185)

Gene

Thanks for the tip on the October MOJO, Ilkka. I've been a little sad lately, as Monday 9 October...It's Johnny's Birthday, as the song goes (All Things Must Pass, Side 5, Track 2 on my old vinyl). Would have been 60. I just finished "Lennon Remembers" Friday when my copy of "Beatles Anthology" (the book) arrived. What a wonderful time to be a Beatles (and Band) afficiando.

Posted on Sun Oct 8 01:54:52 CEST 2000 from cacheflow.nettally.com (199.44.53.3)

Brent

Check The Rumor for the new Weekly Band Poll and more!! Click the link above.

Thanks,

Brent

Posted on Sun Oct 8 01:42:40 CEST 2000 from proxy-1331.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.156)

Eric

Great web site! Great information. Great Band!

Posted on Sun Oct 8 01:34:46 CEST 2000 from p3e9ecd1b.dip.t-dialin.net (62.158.205.27)

Charles

Hi Guestbook!

I am a regular visitor here since about one year. I listen to The Band since I am 15, which means since 18 years. I know all their albums pretty well but listening to the remasters seems like a new discovery to me. So please allow me to make a few remarks:

- I found it most amazing that Robbies strongest influence on his new concept of songwriting and guitar-playing (since 67) is Curtis Mayfield. Listenig to the 2 lines he sings (whispers) at the beginning of the alternate Take of "Dixie" I would like to add that the influence also concerned his singing.

But Richard of course was the more soulful singer and a master of the falsetto. That`s one of the reasons Robbie prefered not to sing himself. It also explains the affinity of Richard`s and Robbie`s co-songwriting, as long as Richard had to propose something.

- Robbie must also have loved Rick`s free-wheeling voice concerning the more far out songs, because Rick could just handle everything. Still it is interesting in this context that Rick always wanted Robbie to do more vocals.

And for sure - there were songs only Levon could do the right way; the southern roots style was just him who could do it best and that`what counted. That`s also why "Strawberry Wine" and "Jemina Surrender" work as compositions. I dont see much else compository effort of Levon during The Band days. It is interesting to read in the liner notes how Robbie describes Levons compository contribution to "Dixie". I wish Levon described his point of view in that way and without always talking about money.

- Still with the new remasters it becomes so evidently clear that these arrangements and sounds are created out of the ensemble and it is not necessaarily the songwriting alone that counts. We all know that.

- "Get Up Jake" is a killer!!!

- I wonder about the choice of outtakes: Only one Outtake from Stage Fright? I don`care so much about the different mixes, but the Outtake of "Daniel" is worth the price of the Cd, still....And no outtakes of Weight and Carnival ?.... Guess we have to wait another 10 years.

- Black Humour, but hard to laugh about it: In "Long Distance Operator" Richard sings: "I`ll strangle myself on this telephone wire".

Just a few thoughts I had rediscovering The Band with the Remasters.

Best Wishes to you all!
Charles

Posted on Sat Oct 7 22:05:51 CEST 2000 from spider-wq021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.145)

Tori

nice!

Posted on Sat Oct 7 20:29:18 CEST 2000 from spider-tr032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.187)

Ruby

Just a reminder to those who do not know tonight at Johnny D's in Somerville Mass Gurus show!!!Starts at 9.00 Hope to see you all there Love Ruby

Posted on Sat Oct 7 19:49:16 CEST 2000 from pm4-6.delrio.com (208.246.53.6)

Just Wonderin'

Brown Eyed Girl: As a transplanted Canadian I say "Amen" to your post!

Posted on Sat Oct 7 19:15:45 CEST 2000 from 1cust249.tnt2.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.25.9.249)

rollie

Hi folks, I recently obtained a video copy of "The Band Reunion", which is now out of print.I'm interested in trading for audio or video for Band material or Butterfield.--Thanks-- Rollie

Posted on Sat Oct 7 18:43:33 CEST 2000 from ip174.buffalo11.ny.pub-ip.psi.net (38.26.224.174)

G-MAN

Have to agree w/posts re. "Times Like These", he got it down pat, both great sond & cd.. "Chain Gang"-Rick and Rando singing takes the listener right to the fog, sweat, and pain !!!! "You Can Go Home"---soulfull--hits home; specially when there's no home to return to!!! Enjoy the w/e---Peace/Health

Posted on Sat Oct 7 16:43:56 CEST 2000 from du134-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.134)

Ilkka

To DAVE THE PHONE GUY (got any Nokia? :-) - "Times Like These" is played even here across the ocean: in my computer's CD player by now, in my humble Walkman, in my car CD player - yes, everywhere. I think it was John Donabie who said that the sound of "This Wheel's On Fire" on this CD is European. I'd like to be more precise: it's Slavonic. - October issue of "Mojo" has several pages of The B....eatles. Because there are several Beatles fans here (Gene & co.) I'd liked to recommend this issue. John and George look handsome in their "Reverend-outfits" on many of the pics, but who wouldn't ;-)

Posted on Sat Oct 7 15:59:16 CEST 2000 from ch8smc.bellglobal.com (206.47.244.58)

brown eyed girl

On Monday I will be giving thanks and praises for Robbie Robertson, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, Garth Hudson, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Daniel Lanois, Guess Who, Stephen Fearing, Colin Linden, Bruce Cockburn, Tragically Hip, Tea Party, Bryan Adams, Cowboy Junkies, Blue Rodeo, Sarah McLachlan, Skydiggers, Paul James, Mike Shrieve, Deborah Cox, Tamia ......... and any other Canadian artist who is playing in a bar or concert hall night after night.

Posted on Sat Oct 7 10:12:24 CEST 2000 from proxy-1321.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.220.148)

Russel Upsomegrub

Hey Band fans,

The legendary Mickey Jones is scheduled to be on hand at this groovy event: Ray and Sharon Courts Present Hollywood Collectors & Celebrities Show Beverly Garland's Holiday Inn 4222 Vineland Avenue North Hollywood, California 91602 1-800-BEVERLY 1-818-980-8000 Fax: 1-818-766-5230 www.beverlygarland.com SATURDAY  October 7th, 2000   10AM-5PM

SUNDAY_  -_ October 8th, 2000   10AM-5PM Mickey Jones From "With Intent To Arouse: Texas vs. Logan", "Tin Cup", "Dead-Bang", "Forced To Kill"and "Black Ice"(Mr. Jones also co-starred on "Flo", the mini-series "V: The Final Chapter" and had a recurring role as 'Pete Bilker' of K&B Construction on "Home Improvement". Mickey started his show business career as the drummer for Bob Dylan and was a member of both 'The New Christy Minstrels' plus 'The Fifth Edition' with Kenny Rogers. He will be selling his latest CD 'She Loves My Troubles Away' at our Show)

Posted on Sat Oct 7 05:50:02 CEST 2000 from static24-72-20-48.reverse.accesscomm.ca (24.72.20.48)

benteen

hey bob. ragtime, the analysis you mention of rockin chair, actually dredged up from my past memories the song i loved when, how shall i say it? afghan mellowed. my nickname of benteen , is derived from my ongoing study of the battle of the little big horn, and as such, i find the band's music to be perfect background when researching the battle. i wish robbie had written a tune about the plains wars, which are rife with drama, glory, despair.

Posted on Sat Oct 7 02:36:47 CEST 2000 from hud1-pm-04-64.termserv.net (204.97.156.64)

Diamond Lil

Just want to thank everyone for responding to my question about the cd compilation thing.

And speaking of thanks...I'd also like to wish my neighbors to the North a happy Canadian Thanksgiving...especially John Donabie. You and your family have alot to be thankful for John. In fact, your 'family' here does as well. Stay healthy.

Have a good night everyone.

Posted on Sat Oct 7 02:12:44 CEST 2000 from ppp7603.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.191.91)

Richard P

BWNWIT: Monday is when all of us Canadians' give thanks that Rush were more popular in Texas than St Kitts...

Posted on Sat Oct 7 01:20:30 CEST 2000 from host-209-214-116-128.bna.bellsouth.net (209.214.116.128)

BWNWITennessee

Lil - re. the TV compilation thing, the label producing the the compilation has to recieve a reduced rate from the publishing companies for the licensing of the songs. They essentially have to get 75% of the statutory rate, which is seven and a half cents per song, from every single publisher with a song on the package. So they're paying about five and a half cents for the publishing for each song on each CD that they sell. Of that, the songwriter gets 50%, which is standard, and the publishing company gets the other 50%. Publishing companies will go ahead and grant a reduced rate because they basically have to in order to get the song on a comp package. They'll also grant a reduced rate for a regular-priced CD if an advance is offered or in exchange for having more of their songs included. The manufacturer of the compilation CD also has to get permission to use the original recording from whatever record label owns them. They need to pay for the master use, obviously, and must get a lower rate for it, too, I imagine, although I don't know as much about how all that works. Then I think the record label usually has a stipulation stating that they will pay the artist 50% of their standard royalty rate for "record club" products.

I'm still kind of new to this, but I think that's pretty much how it works. So they're not entirely an evil thing (that would be record companies:-)), even though the artists get paid less, because they get exposure, and sales, they probably wouldn't otherwise. If you're interested in a compilation, buy it, but if you're really interested in a group or musician on it, it's better just to buy their regular CDs.

Is Monday when all Canadians give thanks for being so close to the country beneath them? Or is it that Rush and Gordon Lightfoot aren't the only musicians that represent their national heritage? ;-)

Posted on Sat Oct 7 00:20:18 CEST 2000 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

benteen my friend - you spoke right to my heart. No need to ask if I think Rockin' Chair is one of their best... where else did I get my name from?

"Oh, to be home again, down in ol'Virginny / with my very best friend, they call him..."

Remember the Classic album video, where Levon and John Simon are analyzing the song? Absolutely fabulous - oh no that's another Band classic :-)

Posted on Sat Oct 7 00:01:37 CEST 2000 from proxy1-external.etntwn1.nj.home.com (24.4.252.64)

Regina

Doe's anyone know the exact date of the Joyous Lakes closing? Please post it!!

Posted on Fri Oct 6 23:43:40 CEST 2000 from 56k-la-01-25.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.88)

Dave the Phone Guy

John Hiatt,Ry Cooder,Little Feat,Grateful Dead,Roy Buchanan,Doug Sahm, WOW! I've got a lot in common with you folks! I guess I shouldn't be surprized that fans of The Band can recognize the real deal.

I posted when Times Like These came out that the vocal on Chain Gang was spooky.Well, the vocal is more than spooky.It's mezmerizing.I don't just feel the pain in Rick Danko's vocal,I feel the pain of the men working on that chain gang!That song as sung by Rick is way more than a cover.Like another post about Rocking Chair,I have to stop everything and sit down when Chain Gang plays.Listen carefully to the last verse of this song and feel what you feel.

Talk about manipulating a melody,listen to how Rick changes every line to Change is Good.He bends,twists,and warps the melody to that song at will.What a gifted and great singer!

I like the stripped down version of Book Faded Brown on Rick's newest also.Check out the almost stutter on "and his parents were buried" part of the last verse.Yeah, I'm still playing Times Like These.

Have a great weekend folks in common.Long live The Band.

Posted on Fri Oct 6 22:21:38 CEST 2000 from gw.itac.ca (209.146.161.1)

Bill

Note to any English-as-a-second-language visitors puzzled by Pehr's metaphor: being the cat's ass is a good thing, though I can't imagine why.

Posted on Fri Oct 6 22:12:24 CEST 2000 from (208.218.212.217)

David Powell

Richard Patterson: Used LPs featuring Doug Sahm are expensive down here also and this was so even before he passed away. Texas is definitely what you would call a law & order state. Although they've eased up just a bit on the penalties for possession of small amounts of weed, you better not get caught committing capital murder or someone will be singing "Long Black Veil" quicker than you can say "George W. Bush".

To all our friends north of the border -- Have a happy Canadian Thanksgiving Monday.

Posted on Fri Oct 6 21:30:12 CEST 2000 from spider-tl042.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.192)

Bob Wardlaw

Benteen: I agree. Everytime I hear the harmonies on the chorus of "Rockin' Chair," I have to stop whatever I am doing and give the song my undivided attention

Posted on Fri Oct 6 21:26:25 CEST 2000 from ppp7653.on.bellglobal.com (206.172.191.141)

Richard Patterson

Just to add a few points to DAVID POWELL'S excellent posts on Doug Sahm: The Doug Sahm lp that included Bob Dylan as a band member was called 'Doug Sahm and Band' (Atlantic 1973 - and no it is not a reference to our guys). The most notable thing about the record was Bob's new-for-the-session tune "Wallflower"...

Since Doug's used vinyl seems to be getting expensive (I just spent $25 Canadian on a near mint 'Mendocino' and spotted the above mentioned 'Doug Sahm and Band' lp for the same price), I would suggest a 1995 Atlantic/Rhino budget priced compilation by Doug Sahm and _Friends_ called 'The Best of Doug Sahm's Atlantic Sessions' if you are at all interested in hearing the Dylan/Sahm work... You'll get more "friends" (besides Bob D. there's Dr. John, David Bromberg, of course Augie Meyers, and the world's hottest horn players) and more good songs (besides "Wallflower" there's "Texas Tornado", "Nitty Gritty" and "Is Anybody Going To San Antone")...

Of course the phrase "The Sir Douglas Quintet is back... ", the opening words of gratitude to faithful fans on the song "Mendocino", refers to the '66 Texas pot bust... a fate suffered by fellow Texan Roky Erikson of the 13th Floor Elevators at almost exactly the same time... These guys both went to jail for YEARS! What's up with that?

btw: I think Doug Sahm was signed to more labels than George Clinton...!

Posted on Fri Oct 6 20:53:57 CEST 2000 from cic-proxy02.firstunion.com (169.200.25.141)

Bones

I just recently received a copy of Foamfoot: Crows In The Closet thanks to a suggestion by someone in the GB. Wow! Great disc! The cover of the Band's "Jemima Surrender" is wonderful. David Crosby is also on the disc singing on "Long Time Gone". It was live at the Troubadoor on LA. Chris Robinson of the Crows sings most of the tracks.

Posted on Fri Oct 6 19:59:05 CEST 2000 from m198214181089.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.181.89)

Pehr

Brien Sz: I have the RB "Sweet Dreams" collection you mentioned- I listened to it all summer, and I give it credit for helping me pull through an almost unbearable summer of heat in texas this summer. I could rave with you all night on that record. One cut in particular that I found inspiring was "Fly ...Night Bird"- |n one other RB collection I got hot oin the heels of that is "Malaguena"- a rip roarin' collection of Buchanan after-hours gigs, radio shows, outtakes, etc. If you like "SD's" as much as I you will want to augment your pleasure by getting this one. There is a live club cut from the mid-60's that is note for note the same solo SRV ended up using as the intro to "Texas Flood" 20 years later. Hearing that caused me to just about fall out.

Steve Simenowitz, I f you are tuning in,( I probably spelled your name wrong but please forgive me-) I just want to mention the photo you e mailed me last summer of you with Rick and Roy hangs in my office and gives me alot of strength. thank you.

Finally I want to re assert how great the Roulette Years Ronnie Hawkins 2cd set is the cats ass. Get it if you dont have it.

Tom Izzo: point taken, and a good one too. Rock hard on that harp.

whats goin on MattK?

back to work Band Fans. happy Friday, H.A.G.Weekend

Posted on Fri Oct 6 19:56:43 CEST 2000 from dhcp58207.sunyocc.edu (204.168.58.207)

Kicking Horse

HEY THERE CROWMATIX FANS: If any of you would like to see the Crowmatix in the Syracuse area on Fri. 10/27 call Nanette or Jeannie at 315 637 0043 and tell them your BIG FANS! They operate the place and are trying to get an idea on how many people might attend. They are not familiar with the music and could be swayed by a gentle lobbying effort. Thanx, K. Horse

Posted on Fri Oct 6 19:39:45 CEST 2000 from 1cust58.tnt1.san-fernando.ca.da.uu.net (63.27.36.58)

Steven Beasley

I've always dug 'em, and they were a tremendous influence on my lead guitar style, them and Fogerty. Believe I was one of the few 15 year olds who got what Stage Fright was all about at that time. Now 46, I still love to twist one up and watch THE LAST WALTZ and VH1 Bio on them. Has anyone heard any recent reports on Levon's health? Please email me directly. Also looking for any vhs footage not nationally aired. Kids today- I'm sure they'd be totally confused as to what THE BAND was all about. Too bad..time marches on...

Posted on Fri Oct 6 18:47:50 CEST 2000 from wstisp5c02.ml.com (199.43.48.24)