The Band Guestbook, October 2002

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Tony Ray

Subject: Great !!!

The Band, I love these guys, I was bassman of three bands and now I'm guitarman of THATHU's Brothers Band, in Brazil. I see The Last Waltz (DVD) everytime and they are wonderful. I just think that pictures of The Band is most important, and the site there are few pictures, I'd like to see more photos of The Band. But it's perfect. Hugs for all, and thank you guys from The Band, for all you gave us and give us yet. Tony Ray (from Sao Paulo - Brazil)

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rosalind

I taped the show from last night and ran up the stairs around 2:15 am to see if it had recorded right. It had. Warren alluded heavily toward premonition during the interview when talking about writing songs for " Life'll Kill Ya ". The show last night was dedicated to Warren and he was the lone guest. I sat here a couple of hours ago and wrote down a detailed description of the entire show but I deleted it. He done three songs. Starting off with "Mutineer" He sat at the piano and sang. A close-up of his face filled the camera as the song ended. He seemed to break down after the first song and Letterman had to steady him. He kept his head turned the other way toward the musicians behind him alot. The second song was "Genius" he stood in front of the mic for this one as usual. And the last song he done for the night was "Roland The Headless Thompson Gunner" a song that Letterman had begged him to do. I layed my head down on the couch cushions and cried.... The first two songs of his I ever heard were "Join Me in L A" and "Desperados Under The Eaves" .... No matter how old you get, when the musicians you have spent a thousand hours with over the years.... people who, through their music have made you happy when you were sad and given you back a reason to sing when you didn't feel like it leave the earth. You just feel like a little kid. I personally, when I felt anger, would put on Warren. He alone understood why I would smash everything breakable in my house up against the wall but make perfectly sure never to throw things in the direction if the stereo equiptment cause that's where Warren would doing my back-up music.

" AND IT AIN'T THAT PRETTY AT ALL !(S_M_A_S_H)

AND IT AIN'T THAT PRETTY AT ALL ! (S_M_A_S_H

SO I'M GONNA HURL MYSELF AGAINST THE WALL!

(S_M_A_S_H)

ONE DAY I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE LOUVE MUSEUM

GONNA GET A GOOD RUNNIN START AND HURL MYSELF AT THE WALL AS HARD AS I CAN MAN

CAUSE I'D RATHER FEEL BAD

(S_M_A_S_H)

THAN NOT FEEL NOTHIN AT ALL! (S_M_A_S_H)

FUCK !

CAUSE I'D RATHER FEEL BAD (S_M_A_S_H)

THAN NOT FEEL ANYTHING AT ALL"

S_M_A_S_H)

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Pehr

Jonathan Katz: Thanks for the word on the new RR classic Masters cd ....

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Bill

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Nick

Received my "Danko" solo release from 1977 a few days ago. It's an import from Edsel and cost 23.99. Well worth it. The Danko "originals" version with the nice box cover is out of print.

The liner notes of the Edsel package though extensive are, in my view, dissapointing. The notes are by someone named Alan Robinson. He starts by saying "Dec. 10th 1999 was one of the sadder days on the rock calendar. Rick Danko died." Okay, so far so good. Then-"Danko had struggled for years with heroin addiction." Now even if that's true, what in the hell does it have to do with a record he made 25 years ago. I've never heard anything about Rick struggling for years and I along with most people I think was shocked to hear of him being arrested. The man worked year round non-stop for 40 years. It's not like he was locked up in a room shooting heroin. Robinson then mentions his jail time, Richard's problems, Levon and Robbie post-Band work. Then he goes on to praise Rick's cd song by song in depth. Fine. At the end he says "this recording is no disgrace". As though Rick Danko had ever or would ever record anything disgraceful. The man is suprised at how good it is. Wake up schmuck, it's Ricky!! Danko only knows great songs dumb ass!! They should have got someone else to do the liner notes. Alan Robinson is undeserving of the honor.

There, my rant is over. The credits noted are extensive and the packaging includes a copy of the sleeve photo collage by Elizabeth Danko. The music of course is incredible the best solo job by any Band member in my opinion. If you like Rick Danko you'll be delighted with it. Get it while it's hot 'cause I'm sure there ain't many left. Enjoy!

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David Powell

Bill: Another one of Mylon LeFevre's band members, Auburn Burrell, lated played on David Blue's "Cupid's Arrow" album along with Levon, David Lindley & Jesse Ed Davis. Auburn was from Jacksonville, Florida and previously played with the Classics IV (of "Spooky" & "Traces" fame). He was equally adept on guitar, pedal steel & dobro. Auburn also played on a 1974 over-looked gem of an album, Frankie Miller's "High Life", which featured the songwriting, production & keyboard talents of none other than the great Allen Toussaint.

Peter: I have to admit that I haven't heard all of Stevie Nicks' latest album, only a cut or two. From what I understand -- the sound suffers from the use of too many producers (half a dozen) turning the knobs and too many tracks digitally layered. I thoroughly enjoy the new hit cover of "Landslide" by the Dixie Chicks. Their back to the basics, acoustic bluegrass version is an approach that Ms. Nicks should explore, instead than burying her beautiful voice beneath too many electronic layers.

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Dave Z

Jerry: I enjoyed the show too... A+ performance... maybe a C+ on sound quality... I really do hate the big venues... Anyway, they did a cool intro for Bob... living legend in the 60's, lost to drugs in the 70's, got religion in the 80's, so forth... that kind of self-teasing humor... done in a deadpan voice... they also had this large weird visual on stage of this crown/hairy eye logo... or maybe it was just a lot of eye lashes... kinda looked like a gang symbol on some of the hats they were selling... and they played the Beef-It's-What's-For-Dinner song before he took the stage... there also appeared to be some family or friends on hand or maybe just great seats for roadies... because on each side of the stage was roped off sections with people sitting and standing right on stage... I saw a guy holding a baby just before start... but it could have been my imagination because I was hearing and seeing all kinda things that night... I think his mumbling does that to you... or maybe those seats were just for the guys who had to handle the enormous display of guitars on hand and being used during the performance... well, guitars is not quite right... let's call the electric ones heavy industrial machinery... capable of cool lurching sounds during ramp-up and shutdown sequences... kinda like the SFX during that Jodie Foster alien movie when they hear the communication from space... and the guitar playing by all three dudes... was awesome... yes dudes, Larry had a long coat on and looked like a hippie Clark Gable... Charlie played some good industrial stuff and looked spiffy 50’s to me... I particularly enjoyed how the end of Old Man rusted out a bit... a great cover... Bream's review in the Red Star said it was a night for covers... and folks had wished he would have covered his own material... well, I'll agree that Brown Sugar was powerful... but he did his own stuff in cool ways too… the first song that could have been interpreted to have a Wellstone connection... was End of Innocence... my eyes swelled up a little... my favorite was Girl of the North Country... it had some great acoustic guitar work... and made me daydream on my last trip up there where I discovered that old the old train lines still exist and trains still run on them just not for commercial public travel purposes… and Dylan’s guitar playing is in the same type of feel as Van does… and the harmonies on Blowing In The Wind were unique enough to hint at being a wind like proxy... I liked it… you know how it is when doing anything artistic, people say you have to exaggerate features to make them stand out… I sometimes think Bob keeps the exaggeration down just a bit… but there art is still there… Cold Irons Bound and All Along The Watchtower were heavy metal swagger in my book... Stockbridge’s Deputies before killing that guy with the big rock if you will… but displaying quality with the metal power... and I heard Bob mumble something about Eveleth being the end of the line... but didn't catch the long eloquent sentence Bream did... btw Breem is our local paper guy who reviews music… I have a strong desire to be hard on him though he’s probably a great guy and has been around forever… all because I haven’t seen him do a review on Sea To The North yet…anyway, after the mumbling Bob then launched into a great High Water... As I said, I was hearing and seeing things too... the crowds at big shows are cool… like a big Jesse Ventura looking guy?... and a Rebecca Kolls looking TV personality?... both sitting too close to me… and lot's of teenagers and 20-somethings... and I thought I heard Bob sing changed or sarcastic lyrics... i.e. this doesn’t mean much to me, does it mean much to you kinda stuff… Forever Young was the only Band-related... and therewas some serious jammin' during end of Summer Days (I hate the song btw)... Sorry this is so long… I’d love to see him in a small place… the band is obviously awesome… but the sound quality of a large venue can’t really cut it in my book… and it made me realize how lucky I have been to see our guys Amy & Levon, Maud & Garth, Randy & Jim and the Professor’s flock of shape shifters in these little places… You guys on the east coast are lucky… Now, I’m itchin’ for more… did I say mumbling too many times... probably, I luv his singing, and he did quite a bit... while standing at some piano type this... Larry also played the pedalsteel sitdown thing... and then bass player had the doghouse... Bob seemed to check in with his drummer a lot too... nice performance on the whole...

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Peter Viney

U.S. Letterman shows are usually broadcast one day late on Sky satellite in the UK - or used to be. So it should be on tonight. The greatest hits collection cover advertised this month shows gallows humour to a remarkable degree! (A skull with a cigarette). Strange.

Back to remastering / sound. After a week of Stones and Band remasters, I switched to Stevie Nicks 'Trouble in Shangri La' today and this 2001 recording actually sounded muzzy and muddy in comparison! I don't know if she intended to get a thick Spectorish sound or if it was just a case of relying on loud bass and drums to sound like Fleetwood Mac, but it was odd to go from very clear 35 year old stuff to not so clear new stuff. Any thoughts, David? I know like me you appreciate Ms Nicks musical talents.

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Bill

My favourite bit of the concert was when Mylon went into his we're-all-in-this-together tribal rap, starting with "Some of us up here are men, and some of us are women. Some of us are black, and some of us are white." Then he got confused and continued, "Some of us are Catholic, and some of us are Canadian." (He'd clearly meant to say "Some of us are Catholic and some of us are Jewish. Some of us are American and some of us are Canadian.") We all laughed. Mylon, clearly well mellowed, just looked puzzled. (For the record, the Canadians in Holy Smoke were Marty Simon, later of the Sharks, and Jean-Pierre Lauzon, later of the Wackers.)

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JTull Fan

Subject: Microwbrews I also recommend

Heartland Brewery in New York City, Rock Bottom and Gordon Biersch (limited chains), Palmetto in Charleston, SC (I'm sure Amanda knows it) Abita in N'awlins, Dominion in Northern VA, Sierra Nevada, there is one in New York's Finger Lakes region that escapes me, as well as several in Minneapolis. Well, I think this starts a good thread. Please feel free to add to it!

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JTull Fan

Subject: ROLLING ROCK!

W.S. : No wonder you have a poor opinion of American Beers! In the last 20 years we have made huge strides in beermaking, but you have to stay out of chain-bars like Applebees, Chilis, etc. You need to check into your hotel and pull out the list of local micro-brewpubs. Richmond alone has about 6 or 7, not counting the chain brewpubs such as Hops. Here I can count Richbrau, Main St. Brewery, Legends', and Extra Billy's just to start. It is increasingly the same in other American cities. Stop missing out, c'mon down, and start drinking!

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WS Walcott

Subject: bartending-Roz

I used to bartend too Roz. It was a great job for a few years when i was in my 20s. I don't think I could handle the pace now. Without trying to sound rude, your American beer sucks. Come to Canada and have some real beer, ie: Moosehead. The only half way decent American beer I ever drank was Rolling Rock.

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Pat Brennan

The Mickey Jones DVD isn't so bad. In fact, the shot of the Brisbane concert is worth the price of admission. And my guess is that Mickey--with a recurring role on a syndicated TV show--probably is doing ok.

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Harry

Subject: The Band in Pittsburgh

Friends:

To the fellow who wrote from Pittsburgh about the 1970 and 1974 Band appearances in your town - I was at that 1974 show too - I didn't see you and Big Richie (I know, we were in a 50,000 plus seat ballpark) - so Todd Rundgren was on that bill as well (TR - Upper Darby, PA boy)- nice summer day with EC coming back after his "re-birth" with the "401" album.

Thanks for bringing back a nice memory - the Syria Mosque show in 1970 must have been a treat as well. I can remember a 1969 Band show at Philadelphia's Academy of Music (great accoustics for "non-electric" music) -our first opportunity to hear The Band live. After enjoying MFBP and all those mid-60's era Dylan bootlegs (that used to include a few accoustic, then unknown originals and covers and songs with BD and The Band from the basement tapes era, studio cuts, etc.) we were ready to see the boys "in the flesh" and it was all we had hoped for and more.

We're truly blessed to have been there in those days and to hear the music that was and is still a big part of the "good things" in life. After family illnesses, funerals, and personal tough physicial/medical conditions for Mim & I, music like that of The Band is some of the best medicine around (with no lousy side effects and very little social stigma (not like being known as a "deadhead", for instance.))

We always seem to meet nice, REAL people when we attend a show related to the band or read WONDERFUL WEBSITES like this one. That goes for all you folks, yeah, even including BWNWIT...

Have a Happy & Safe Halloween, all. It's for the kids (like X-Mas, Hanukah, etc) if and you have the "little critters", hope they enjoy themselves and take it easy on eating the candy haul...

Appropriate music for today - Bob Dylans' early 1960's "All Hallows Eve" concert from NYC. (This is purported to be the next release in the BD "Bootleg" series from Columbia)

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lifeboy

Weller is now featuring Jam and Style Council songs in his live shows,something he wouldn't do untill recently,something about wanting to prove himself as a solo artist but says he's got over that now. He was on the Later With Jools Holland Show last Friday and did a great version of A Town Called Mailce, I saw The Jam live and I reckon he does a better version now but still with a raw edge.

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John Cass

Subject: Warren on SNL

I tapped the Warren both on VHS and the 3 songs he did on audio tape (I have my Direct TV run through my sterio) the sound qulity is great... Warren sang Mutineer, Genious, and Rolland Headless Thompson Gunner...

I was pretty sad watching it because I have always liked Warren Zevon and actually on my 21st birthday (8 years ago) saw him at the Picklebarrell Bar in Killington VT.. always a great memory (but a pretty bad hang over)seen Warren 6 times and sadly to say last night on TV will be the last time I'm sure... Warren looked like "something death brought with him in his suitcase"... (a great line in one of his songs..)..

good to see the GB getting back to music related stuff..

god bless Warren!!

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Bill

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MattK

Style Council: I liked "My Everychanging Moods," especially that Euro version that had Tracy Thorne singing "Paris Match" (I think in Europe, that first album was titled "Paris Match," now that I think of it).

I liked the Style Council, ok. Though I still think Weller's best work was in The Jam.

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bob wigo

Subject: Zevon / Letterman

Jan,

Unfortunately I was unable to tape it. The link above does have a brief piece of video from the show.

It saddens me to think he will be gone soon. His social commentary is more valuable now than ever.

Thanks for everything Jan.

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jh

Did anyone tape the Late Show with Warren Zevon last night? I need to see this...

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Kalervo

Subject: Live 365 and a girl with brown eyes

Brown Eyed Girl: Thank you so much for the kind words! I read the messages here every once in a while and luckily I read that one. You are special! You made my day! And I agree what you said about Style Council. I have respected Paul Weller since Jam' s glory days. ..

I got finally a cable connection and found wonderful net radio stations. For instance..through Live 365 you can listen hundreds of lovely stations...

Look at the web site...Radio Helsinki is the best independent radio station in Finland - really varied music...

If I had a radio station I' d call it WAM - Wise Adult Music or in Finnish: Wiisas Aikuinen Musiikki...Station that would be wise enough not to be a zombie-like nostalgia package (but of course old music with style and moderately) and adult enough not to kneel before that rock-rock mentality of 13 - 25 year old males.

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John D

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Graham/England

Subject: message for Bonnie Recore (Band fan)

bonnie..can you get for me `Double Indemnity` Edward G Robinson DVD ?? Out of production now...but still available on the NET ... Band cds in trade ?? Graham

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jh

Subject: School for Fools

Jen,

Couldn't have said it better, the _School for Fools_ album is indeed great blues music. I've communicated a little with Mr. Alexander, who told me some of the background for songs like "You Know Who You Are" and "Lost Dog Blues" - he knows what he is writing about - and how he hooked up with Levon and Larry Thurston. I, too, hope to see this live some time.

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jerry

Subject: Dylan

Well I just saw my first Dylan show and really liked it, like Ive said before Im not a big fan, I really like a couple of bootlegs Ive heard and am glad I got to see him. I really liked his "Brown Suger" version of the Stones song, I was kind of surprised that he didn't mention Wellstone...he encored with "Blown" and "Watchtower" A great show I thought..

Dave Z...we did have floor tickets but my friend knew someone who was in a suite so we upgraded, we were in suite 20 which is just above sec. 105 and 106..

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brown eyed girl

Well I won't be talking about Style Council anymore....Crabgrass suggested I change the subject since he feels left out 'cause he's never heard of them.....and to think he's lived in England!.....;-D

I just woke up from watching Mickey Jones' DVD.....I'll give it another try tomorrow......He's a great raconteur but you do miss the live footage......Hmmmmm......Dylan told him that he's the best drummer......Otis.....I've heard Ritchie Havens sing "Just Like A Woman".....and.....Van.....but......Otis......It would have been the ultimate version.......

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Jen

Subject: This looks like a great party

Hey, this is some website. I found it through the "School for Fools", Cousin Moe Music website. Wow! What an album! Uh oh, dating myself, but most of you are probably middle aged or old geezers too. Anyway, just to show you what I know, I did not know Levon was still playing. But I was sifting through my friend's Living Blues magazine, saw the ad for "School for Fools", saw Levon, Johnnie Johnson, new original songs by some guy I never heard of, Blues Brothers, figured it had to be good. Since I am way behind on adventure in my life, I figured ok, $15, I'll get a cheap thrill. Wow! Killer music, people, but I am sure you guys already know that. What a great singer this Larry Thurston guy is, and these songs are incredible. Real lyrics that are worth listening to, real stories. And funny. Best full length collection of new material I have heard in a while. I am not necessarily a big blues fan, but these songs do pull my chain. I hope this Alexamder guy, this Thurston, Levon, Johnnie and these other musicians keep it going. Levon, what can I say? Those drums of his make me feel like a teenage girl all over again. Now if I can just get my boyfriend to make me feel that way. Really, that Levon sound is unmistakeable, and it makes me smile to hear it, especially on new stuff. I hope these guys make more records together, this is one tight band. And I love the website. A real treat for an old Band fan like me. Good to know Levon is playing, good to see the dates posted about Garth, makes me wonder about Robbie. I plan on seeing Levon and Garth's bands first chance I have now that I know where to look. It is so good to know that the Band is still somehow around. Hey, you girls in the crowd! Check out "Brokenhearted and Broke"! Does it give you any ideas? It is never too late!

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Pete

Subject: New To Site

This is my first venture into the guestbook, although I have been in the chat room on occasion, and met some good folks there. I saw The Band for the first time in Syria Mosque in Pittsburgh in November of 1970 and was totally hooked, totally. And then saw them again in July 1974 at 3 Rivers Stadium, on a bill with Eric Clapton and Todd Rundgren. It was on that night that me and some other young fellow stadium ushers drunkenly got "backstage" at the trailers after The Band's set while Clapton was on. I spotted Levon and went toward him, and one of his people got in the way, but when I said "I just want to shake Levon's hand man!", Levon motioned for us to come through. We talked for about 3-4 minutes and it was great. (I had a friend named "Little Richie" with me who was 6'5" tall, and Levon patiently listened while I explained that Rich got his name cause he had an older cousin with the same first and last name who was "Big Richie". It was that kind of rambling I was doing). Levon seemed genuinely interested and amused by us all. Garth was there too, and just kind of stood back and didn't get too involved (wise move). Rick, Richard, and Robbie were in the trailers and never did pop out, which was fine, as it was great to just get to talk to Levon. Anyhow, this is a great website and I'm glad I'm trying to get reacquainted. I'm almost done with "This Wheel's On Fire", a great book, and just got the 25th anniversary CD of The Last Waltz, as my VHS tape of the movie was falling apart. Am also rebuilding collection of the albums with CDs. I got "To Kingdom Come", but it's not good enough. Have to get the whole albums. Great to be here and looking forward to meeting more of you. Thanks, Pete

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Richard Broadbent

Subject: 1966 tour video

Anyone else seen this piece of junk yet? Perhaps the worst $35 I've ever spent. Tons of footage of Mickey Jones sitting in a studio reminiscing about the good old days when Bob paid him $750. a week, which he has apparently spent all of now and needs a cash infusion. Cameo appearances by Bob. Very occasional apperances of any of the Band members, uh... except DA DRUMMER. Gives new meaning to "nothing is revealed." Wanna buy my copy?

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Crabgrass

Subject: Religious News

PLEASE SCROLL PAST IF NOT INTERESTED!!

Brooklyn Bishop Thomas Daily, formerly a top official in the Boston Archdiocese, has admitted knowing the Rev. Paul Shanley endorsed sex between men and boys before promoting him to head of a parish, it was revealed yesterday. Shanley, 71, was indicted last June on 10 counts of child rape and six counts of indecent assault and battery for allegedly abusing boys from 1979 to 1989. The alleged abuse of the 6-to-15-year-olds took place at St. Jean's Parish in Newton, Mass. where Shanley was sent by Daily. In a deposition taken for a civil suit, Daily acknowledged he considered Shanley a "troubled priest" who needed help. He admitted knowing Shanley had attended a meeting of the North American Man-Boy Love Association and had spoken in favor of the group. But Daily said he had not recieved any reports of Shanley engaging in such activities himself. "We are talking about ideas and opinions... to my knowledge at the time he wasn't involved in activities," Daily said. Daily said there was no indication Shanley was promoting sexual relationships between men and boys at St. Jean's parish, but was speaking in favor of the idea in other parts of the country. "But having said that, I would have very great regrets," Daily said. "You have regrets you made the appointment?" asked Roderick MacLeish, a lawyer representing three men who claim they were abused by Shanley. "I think I would have done much better if I hadn't made the appointment," Daily replied. Frank DeRosa, a spokesman for the Brooklyn Diocese had no immediate comment. In a deposition, Daily also acknowledged receiving a 1977 letter complaining about remarks Shanley allegedly made to a group in Rochester, New York. A woman who said she heard Shanley's talk quoted him as saying that in pedophilia, "the adult is not the seducer - the kid is the seducer." The woman also said Shanley said he could think of no sexual act that causes psychological damage, "not even incest or bestiality." Daily who served as chancellor, vicar general, and auxiliary bishop in Boston from 1977 to 1984, promoted Shanley to administrator and acting pastor of St. Jean's. Shanley has pleaded innocent. Daily gave his sworn deposition in August. [NY Post, Oct. 29, 02]

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BWNWITennessee

Lifeboy, e-mail me, and I'll send you a copy of that book on women. I helped write it.

Roz, I did come down with a case of the Iron City once. I still haven't quite recovered. Give me some Milwaukee's Best or Natural Light any day!

Not a single person seemed to take offense at my last posts. Back to the old drawing board.

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Pat Brennan

The SNL performances are also subject to internal editing. The walk-down at the end of Dixie was removed as was a section of Carnival. In the re-broadcasts I've seen, Georgia doesn't even make the cut, and in one in particular, Dixie is also eliminated. That was especially galling as Dixie has a beautiful photo tribute to each member imbedded in the performance.

An issue of Mix Magazine from a number of years ago has an analysis of the recording of Layla. It illuminates quite well Tom Dowd's genius.

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brown eyed girl

When I heard "You're The Best Thing" I automatically thought of Style Council because it was always one of my favourite songs by them....A man/woman telling their significant other....What's more beautiful than that? I have seen Gladys Night and The Pips perform but I only have their Greatest Hits so I don't know the other song in question.....Anyway, it's like when someeone in the Guest Book mentions Toots.....For me.....It's Toots Hibbert of the reggae group The Maytals that pops into my mind.....while for you it's.....

I always admired Billy Bragg for his long time convictions and social stance......I also have read that ska group Madness and Blow Monkeys also used their music and visibility to encourage young people in Britain to vote in elections, support Friends Of The Earth, animal rights......and generally exhibit social awareness.....My favourite ska group at the time was The Specials.....My kind of musicians and people who I like to associate with.......

Just received my Mickey Jones DVD.....figures that The Pat Brennan is always ahead of me.....but then again.....;-D

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Peter Viney

Enjoyed Roz’s bar anecdote. My short career as a barman sticks in my memory after 30 very odd years. The bar was about 100 yards from a big ballroom where they had rock dances on Fridays. Every Friday at 6.30 this guy arrived who was square. By which I mean the same distance from shoulder to shoulder as head to toe. He was accompanied by two or three ladies in sequinned mini-skirts, different every time, for whom he would order a Pimms. A Pimms cocktail is adorned with fruit and vegetables, but he would whisper, ‘Put loads of garnish on. Impress the girls.’ Well, girl was a term that was a few years out of date in their cases, but ever-willing I’d slice everything in sight and put it round the rim. The next week he’d ask for “more than last week” so after a few weeks there was lemon, orange, lime, cucumber, celery leaves, apple, a bit of pineapple … anything I could get hold of from the kitchen. I even added tomato. The tip was at least twice the price of the drinks, and he was a friendly and affable fellow. He said that he was in the insurance business, came down each Friday to ‘check the security’ for the ballroom, and brought his lady friends down on business from London as he was going in the same direction. He’d stay about an hour, five minutes of which was spent in close conversation with my pub landlord in the back office. Towards the end of our acquaintanship, local musicians I knew happened to come into the bar and see us in conversation. They were flabberghasted because it seemed that my friendly customer had a serious degree of notoriety, so as to inspire deep fear in all who met him. Well, it was the best tips I ever had, But I don’t think you’re supposed to load so much fruit and veg in a Pimms.

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John W.

"If anyone, should ever write, my life story...."

I'm sure I was thinking of the Gladys Knight version. There's a lot of appreciation for her man in that song... Can't think of too many Band songs to recommend for Jenny's project. "Wind Beneath My Wings?", but that's too obvious. I like "Someday Never Comes" by Creedence, a father-son song, but maybe a bit maudlin for a church service!

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Bones

David Powell: You mentioned Tom Dowd and Coltrane's Giant Steps album. I recently met and befriended a piano player on that record. He was a great man named Tommy Flanagan, who unfortunately passed away recently as well. He played for Ella, Wes Montgomery, Coltrane and many others. It's sad to see these great move on.

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Bumbles

Subject: Random Occurrence

BOB_W: Wasn't no astrology, wasn't no theology...

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Dave Z

Subject: Go To Japan

For those having trouble... waiting for orders from Japan... I can recommend an alternative... mundo.gemm.com... I just got Hirth From Earth... took exactly 1 week from the time I hit submit... and I did the cheap shipping...

Jerry: I'm in section 116, row 11, seat 20... are you one of those risk takers doing general admission on the floor?... I thought about it but then I hate crowds... Pete Rivard's post about Bruce's Show convinced me to try a big show again...

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lifeboy

I've just checked the album(Cafe Bleu)and it's title is actually "You're The Best Thing" although he does follow it with "that ever happened to me" on the chorus, it's not the same song as the one you mention Bumbles but it's a good one, sang falsetto with a Curtis Mayfield/Impressions kind of feel, a nice sunny pop/soul tune.

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bob wigo

Bumbles, the planets have finally aligned and for a brief but shining moment we find ourselves in agreement.

Prayer works!!

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bob wigo

I'm certain it was Gladys Knight and the Pips that you recall singing "You're The Best Thing That Ever Happened To Me".

They would be a little difficult to confuse with Style Council.

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Bumbles

Subject: Best Thing...

"Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me" was originally done by Gladys Knight & the Pips. If the record by "the English group" Styyyyyle Couuuuuncil is the same song, it's a cover.

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Harry & Mim

Subject: Tom Dowd, R.I.P. & Duane Allman, R.I.P. & The Band

Friends:

Have meant (but forgotten each time) to give a tip of the hat and proper respect to the GREAT Tom Dowd. His relationship with Jerry Wexler and Atlantic Records produced (literally) some of the best music of the 60's, 70's and more.

A list of his credits is awe-inspiring and impressive (try the All Music Guide on the internet (allmusic.com) for good bio's of many artists).

To paraphrase LH - "What the hell does Tom Dowd mean to The Band?" His work with Atlantic artists, Jerry Wexler, and southern musicians in particular (including Dr. John (aka Mac Rebennack), Duane Allman, RONNIE HAWKINS (remember skinny, red-haired "SkyDog" Duane Allmans' stellar slide soloing on the original version of RH's "Down in the Alley" (nominted the #1 Song of 1969 by John Winston Lennon, MBE), other greats from the Stax Records family and many other notables) would make him eminently memorable (and perhaps influential to some extent)to/on the five Band gents.

PLH,

Mim & Harry

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lifeboy

Subject: brown eyed girl/paul weller link

Sorry!

Made a mistake. Although the link I left may also be interesting I actually meant to put the one above as it is more in relation to your post.

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lifeboy

Subject: brown eyed girl/Paul Weller

I think Paul Weller has the same stance as with The Style Council but not as active as Billy Bragg still is. The above link will probably answer your question on this, a bit dissapointing(depending on where you stand)maybe?

All that aside, Weller has made some great records as a solo artist some of which I think may be appreciated by you Band fans on here, he does a great version of Dr John's "walk on guilded splinters" and has become kind of like a Neil Young for us Brits. Check him out!

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Crabgrass

Happy Birthday Grace Slick!! 63 today.

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brown eyed girl

I wonder if there once lead writer and singer Paul Weller is still in the same political camp as Billy Bragg these days? One of his gigs in Toronto was cancelled due to lack of great interest.......

BTW.......Do any British posters know what happened to the cult group Jazz Butcher? I noticed they had a lot of recordings in the music stores the other day.....The song I still remember the night they performed at the Warehouse was of course........the very speedy.........."Road Runner".........I think Scorcese would appreciate it as well........;-D...It is interesting to note that hardly any reformed Band or solo Band recordings were evident in the stores.......I had to buy a lot of them in NYC....or pay very high import prices in town when they were first available........

BTW2....Didn't Rick Danko also support women who had to seek refuge in Battered Shelters by playing benefits for this cause? As an educator I've had more than a few students who come to school while staying in these Shelters and then I have to deal with the anger and/or numbness of the students........The class or ethnic background is not a deciding factor........One of my student's mother was abused by her partner who was a physicist.........An absolutely amazing book to read to children to alert them to sexual abuse and encourage them to disclose if it should happen to them is TOM DOESN'T VISIT US ANYMORE by Maryleah Otto and Illustrated by Jude Waples....Printed by Women's Educational Press in Toronto........

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David Powell

Subject: Smack Dab In The Middle / Tom Dowd

I don't know for sure but it seems likely that the Hawks song that Harry & Mim mentioned is indeed the same one covered by Ry Cooder (on "Chicken Skin Music" and the live "Show Time" album). "Smack Dab In The Middle" was written by the legendary Jesse Stone a/k/a Charles "Chuck" Calhoun and most notably covered by Ray Charles. As a songwriter, Mr. Stone was responsible for writing many classic songs in the early days of rock 'n roll, including "Shake Rattle and Roll", "Your Cash Ain't Nothing But Trash", "Don't Let Go" and "Flip Flop and Fly" (co-written with Willie Lou Turner). In addition to his songwriting & performing, Mr. Stone became a staff producer & arranger at Atlantic Records & the Apollo Theatre.

I was deeply saddened to hear of the passing of Tom Dowd. The other evening I found myself totally entranced as I listened to the Allman Bros. "Live At The Fillmore", John Coltrane's "Giant Steps", Aretha's "Lady Soul" and Derek & the Dominos' "Layla". Mr. Dowd may have been a physicist, recording engineer & producer, but he was a musician at heart who helped so many artists break the color barriers of our society.

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Harry & Mim

Subject: The Band, SNL Appearance, 1976 & calling It a Day

Friends:

Set your clocks for a re-run of the Bands' 1976 SNL appearance. (E-TV, The "Entertainment" Channel. PERHAPS @ 7PM EST Thursday, Octobert 31st.) Probably took place in late October, 1976, with an un-subtle message of support for Georgian Jimmy Carters' run for the Presidency of the USA, voting day coming up soon and all, with the performance of "Georgia On My Mind"...)

Yes, Bones, this version of the show is EDITED, and may include one (or usually two) songs by the musical guests, usually occurring about 25 minutes into the program, and then in the "50th minute" or so (this "timeline" includes commercials, etc.).

The Band did not "drag out" their demise too long, and were still performing beautifully on those 1976 tours and concerts. Knowing "when to bow out gracefully" is an art, and, as hungry as we all were/are for Band music, in some ways, I've got to give Robbie Robertson credit for exerting such pressure for The Last Waltz, etc. Let's face it - the sublime, quintessential Band songbook was written (again, with a few notable exceptions) prior to 1972. That's a LONG TIME for a band that been together since 1962, and it was a long, fairly barren four years until it was wrapped up on that night at Winterland, late November, 1976.

It's a testament to their longevity and "unniversal appeal" that The Bands' work is still being discussed avidly over a quarter century after their final concert.

"(What's So funny 'Bout) Peace, Love & Understanding"

Elvis Costello, Nick Lowe

"Smack Dab in the Middle"

as performed by Ry Cooder (? - does anyone know if the song of the same name referred to on the Port Dover, Ontario Hawks' tape is the same as Ry's version?)

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bob wigo

Subject: Tom Dowd

I haven't seen any mention of the passing of Tom Dowd. He produced many, many landmark albums. I'm not certain it is mentioned in the article but, I believe, he played some horn parts, did horn arrangements and produced Dusty Springfield's marvelous album "Dusty In Memphis". He arranged and produced for an amazing list of artists many of whom are mentioned in the story.

For anyone interested I've attached a link.

P.S. In my humble opinion the aforementioned album is one of the finest recordings I have ever heard and is a highly valued part of my collection. Beautifully arranged, produced and performed.

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Amanda

We could use one of those manuals for you guys too. ;0)

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John W.

Levon singing again is the best news I've heard in a long time!

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lifeboy

I'll consider myself told. Oh, and I can promise you I never underestimate the power of a woman. I know only too well..........Women are fantastic but occasionally I wish they came with a manual though maybe that would spoil the fun.............

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David Powell

Subject: Capitol / Buck Owens

Many, like Johnny Flippo, may wonder why Buck Owens isn't represented on Capitol's 60th Anniversary box set. The answer lies in the fact that years ago Mr. Owens shrewdly negotiated a contract with the label in which he retained the rights to all his master recordings. In recent years he has licensed many of his recordings to the Sundazed label. Previously, Rhino released a comprehensive 3-CD box set of Buck Owens classic recordings in 1992.

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Amanda

Actually, the joke goes like this...

There were 11 people hanging onto a rope that came down from a helicopter. Ten were men and one woman.

They all decided that one person should get off because if they didn't the rope would break and everyone would die.

No one could decide who should go so finally the woman gave a real touching speech saying how she would give up her life to save the others, because women were used to giving up things for their husbands and children, giving in to men, and not receiving anything in return. When she finished speaking, all the men clapped.

Never underestimate the power of a woman.

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John W.

Okay Okay I apologize for my tasteless joke! Of course there's nothing funny about domestic violence. My advice to anyone it happens to would be get the heck out of there... No second chances, it only gets worse... Unless there are some really special circumstances, like successful therapy or something, where you can really be sure things have changed... I hoped it would be clear that joke reflects a real neanderthal attitude, not my own, but I guess I'm still getting the hang of political correctness... No wonder I'm "BWNWINY".

Jenny T. - How about "You're The Best Thing That Ever Happened To Me" (was it Gladys Knight?)

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JTull Fan

Subject: Emory Joseph/Levon

One would think that if Levon could talk, he could sing, even if not in his old style. I always thought he stopped singing so he could properly heal at his doctor's advice, and perhaps now he can, at least in limited doses. Let's hope so; that would be wonderful news. Also, I see Dave Mattocks, former Fairport Convention and Jethro Tull drummer, listed as well.

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Amanda

I wish I had been at the Lisner show to see Levon and Little Feat! I have been hob-nobbing with a few Little Feat fans and they have shared the photos with me. Aren't they wonderful? I knew Jan would appreciate them as much as I do, as well as most of you. I'm sure Butch has some amazing stories to tell regarding that show. I miss his first hand reviews! I will be in Jacksonville next month for Levon's show at The Freebird Cafe.

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Bob W.

Levon on vocals????

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rosalind

Ben - You are absolutely right.

Edward Anderson, born in Texas in 1909. Had written for a couple dozen newspapers by the age of 25. Always a loner, by 1935 he had left reporting behind. He lit out. Hopped a freight train and headed across depression era America. These travels inspired his first novel "Hungry Men". The book won a Doubleday Story Award. With the prize money he loaded up his new wife and headed back to Texas. He interviewed his own cousin, who was serving time for bank robbery in the state pen in Huntsville. The resulting novel "Theives Like Us" put in him a class with the likes of John Steinbeck and Ernest Hemmingway. He worked for a spell as a screenwriter for Paramount and Warner Brothers. By the time the thirties closed Anderson's style had gone out of fashion. He fell on hard times. Rejection slips, unemployment and alcoholism had wrecked his life. And After his third marriage crumbled he lit out once again.... Hopped another freight and spent the rest of his life on the road living the life of a lonesome hobo.......... never to be heard from again. He died in Brownsville, Texas in 1969

A man after my own heart.

For anyone interested, there is a book available. "Rough and Rowdy Ways" (The Life and Hard Times of Edward Anderson" written by Patrick Bennett. A man who plucked Anderson out of obscurity and into the hearts and minds of a new generation.

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johnnyflippo

And where the hell is Buck Owens?

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Fred

Brown Eyed Girl: No need to thank me. (now you've gone and made me blush!)

I got the new Mark Knopfler CD the other day...very nice indeed. Is it me or did he and RR graduate from the same school of singing?!?!?!

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Dexy

The Emory Joseph CD on "What's New" -- anyone know when it was recorded? I'm interested in the part about Levon contributing vocals. Butch???

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JTull Fan

Subject: Sorry for the length, but start the day with a laugh...

Why did the chicken cross the road? GEORGE W. BUSH I don't think I should have to answer that question. AL GORE I invented the chicken. I invented the road. Therefore, the chicken crossing the road represented the application of these two different functions of government in a new, reinvented way designed to bring greater services to the American people. RALPH NADER The chicken's habitat on the original side of the road had been polluted by unchecked industrialist greed. The chicken did not reach the unspoiled habitat on the other side of the road because it was crushed by the wheels of a gas-guzzling SUV. PAT BUCHANAN To steal a job from a decent, hardworking American. RUSH LIMBAUGH I don't know why the chicken crossed the road, but I'll bet it was getting a government grant to cross the road, and I'll bet someone out there is already forming a support group to help chickens with crossing-the-road syndrome. Can you believe this? How much more of this can real Americans take? Chickens crossing the road paid for by their tax dollars, and when I say tax dollars, I'm talking about your money, money the government took from you to build roads for chickens to cross. JERRY FALWELL Because the chicken was gay! Isn't it obvious? Can't you people see the plain truth in front of your face? The chicken was going to the "other side. "That's what "they" call it -- the "other side." Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay. And, if you eat that chicken, you will become gay too. I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media whitewashes with seemingly harmless phrases like "the other side." DR. SEUSS Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes! The chicken crossed the road, But why it crossed, I've not been told! ERNEST HEMINGWAY To die. In the rain. Alone. MAR TIN LUTHER KING, JR. I envision a world where alllllll chickens will be free to cross roads without having their motives called into question. GRANDPA In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed The road. Someone told us that the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for us. BARBARA WALTERS Isn't that interesting? In a few moments we will be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heartwarming story of how it overcame a serious case of molting and went on to accomplish its lifelong dream of crossing the road. JOHN LENNON Imagine all the chickens crossing roads in peace. ARISTOTLE It is the nature of chickens to cross the road. KARL MARX It was a historical inevitability. SADDAM HUSSEIN This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it. VOLTAIRE I may not agree with what the chicken did, but I will defend to the death its right to do it. RONALD REAGAN What chicken? KEN STARR I intend to prove that the chicken crossed the road at the behest of the President of the United States of America in an effort to distract law enforcement officials and the American public from the criminal wrongdoing our highest elected official has been trying to cover up. As a result, the chicken is just another pawn in the president's ongoing and elaborate scheme to obstruct justice and undermine the rule of law. For that reason, my staff intends to offer the chicken unconditional immunity provided he cooperates fully with our investigation. Furthermore, the chicken will not be permitted to reach the other side of the road until our investigation and any Congressional follow-up investigations have been completed. CAPTAIN KIRK To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. FOX MULDER You saw it cross the road with your own eyes! How Many more chickens have to cross before you believe it? FREUD The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity. BILL GATES I have just released eChicken 2003, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your checkbook--- and Internet Explorer is an inextricable part of eChicken. EINSTEIN Did the chicken really cross the road or did the road move beneath the chicken? BILL CLINTON I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What do you mean by chicken? Could you define chicken please? LOUIS FARRAKHAN The road, you will see, represents the black man. The chicken crossed the "black man" in order to Trample him and keep him down. COLONEL SANDERS I missed one?

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John D

Welcome Back Mr. Katz

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Canadian Men / Kalervooooo!

Biffalo Bull: Glad to hear that I didn't miss the train.....

Kalervooooo! I really miss your sense of fairness and enlightenment here!.:-D

Canadian Fred in Japan: Thanks again for the beautiful photo and for speaking up in the Guest Book when others did not......

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Diamond Lil

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

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rosalind

Subject: Booze and stuff

Fred - You're talking about "Autofills" - Expensive babies. I always used a liquidizer for drinks calling for fruits and a blender for creams and ice cream. I preferred working in a personal place where you know everybody's name and everybody knows yours. (I love it when the folks in here call me "roz" even tho I mostly sign in as "rosalind") You knew what kind of jobs everybody had, who could pay and who couldn't, who was gonna raise hell and who wasn't and what music and movies to bring in. I select both.....in my perfect world. But mostly it was Nascar and ESPN. Margarita and Daiquiri machines are alright I guess. Way back when the margarita was really popular they were a must in most places. I always enjoyed doing everything by hand to preferred specifications, you get a lot of compliments that way. I always used an "Oggi" for almost everything. Plus a big old "Boston Shaker" and a "Pedrini" exclusively for making martini's. The place I work now is perfect for me. I'm gettin' old.... I keep a gallon jar on the counter filled with deviled eggs and another one filled with "Pennsford" little hot sausages (wholesale). The place always smells like breads and donuts. Ernie opened the kitchen in the back for me. My specialties are fried chicken, sweet potato pies, pecan pies and roast beef sandwiches with gravy and home-fries. Nobody knows they eat authentic Southern Mississippi cookin'. All they get out between mouthfuls is "Damn Roz This Is Good" I alone select the music altho I'm always getting cussed for breakin' everybody's concentration...as if they had any to begin with... The guys here prefer to drink their beer from a can or bottle so there isn't even a tap. There's a big refrigerator instead. There's a really thick beautiful antique bar. Lighted beer signs (Thanks Bedford Beverage) "Genessee" is almost all anybody drinks around these parts altho I keep a case or two of "Iron City" just for comic relief, just to hear people say "Oh No... Not That Shit!" Tennessee, You ever tasted Iron City beer? It's a Pittsburgh tradition. Sorry about going on about my job. I'm beginning to act like a man...well not really.

Dave Z. - Alternate that Robert Johnson stuff with Skip James....on second thought...

Jenny T. Thank for the memories about your dad. One of my first memories about mine was him and I sitting on the floor listening to the Liston / Ali fight. He had somehow gotten the idea that his 4 year old daughter was going to be the next world champion and he was giving me pointers on defending my title....He could cuss a blue streak. He had wild-blood. I inherited it. Your dad sounds like my dad....

Thanks for the tips on The Band's SNL show and Warren Zevon's Letterman gig. Time to program the VCR.

Thanks Everybody..

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jerry

Subject: Not Band related

Ive never had a imediate supervisor who was a lady, I can't say I would care one way or the other as long as she was fair and knew her job, the same criteria for the men Ive worked for, some being jerks and not knowing how to handle people or there jobs I might add , I guess the surprising thing to me is a number of times in conversation with women that a majority of them would perfer to work for a man vs a women, the reasen being that they feel some women in managment are overly agressive and can't put there insecurities aside when dealing with other women, I recently read a newspaper article that supported this as well, just wondering what the female GBers experiance has been..

An earlier post mentioned deadbeat Dads, I understand they exist and is inexcusable to say the least, Im divorced and pay what Im supposed to and know many men in my situation that do the same, we are in our kids lives as much as possiable, I don't know a deadbeat Dad personally but by whats reported in the media you would think thats all thats out there, in fact I know a guy who has raised his two boys by himself with very little involvment from the Mother emotionally or finactually, I would agree that isnt the norm but it would be refreshing once in a while to credit good Dads and not just the assholes, which there are many Im afraid...

Im going to see Dylan for the first time tonight and really looking forward to it...

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Ben Pike

Yep Roz, I saw Prine for the first time in 72, and I can quote him pretty well too. In that very first show, he did a song about Vietnam....:

"I used to sleep at the foot of old glory, and wake in the Dawn's early light, but much to my surprise when I opened my eyes, I was a victim of the great compromise...."

He was right then, right now, and alas, more Americans may die in the next year because some are just too damn slow and prideful to absorb that easy lesson. Don't now why you couldn't credit Anderson of "Thieves Like Us" fame, he is a still too unknown writer, and every little bit helps.

Dylan dedicated "The Times They Are A Chagin" to Wellstone in Denver on the 26th. "This is for a great man and a great senator from Minnesota."

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DZ Again

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Fred

Rosalind: as an ex-bartender myself, just curious do you make your drinks (cocktails, other mixed libations) the old fashioned way (i.e. mixing the ingredients by hand yourself) or do you have those "machines" (for lack of a better word) that have everything already mixd and all you have to do is press a button and presto the drinks already in the glass?

whoever wrote that Europe has less spousal abuse than North America, obviously you've never lived in Europe! Unfortunately this is something that knows no boundaries.

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Bayou Sam

Subject: my two cents

Y'Know - this man\women (or women/man if you like) thread is a friggin train wreck wating to happen.

There's too much of a mix of passionate feelings and smart-ass remarks flying around to do anyone any good. It's bound to turn into a nasty free-for-all with people being mean to each other. Let's steer it somewhere else, OK?

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Charlie Young

Subject: The Stones, Counting Crows & Bill Haley & the Comets

A friend who works for the publisher just sent me a copy of Bill Wyman's gigantic, 512-page coffee table book called ROLLING WITH THE STONES. It's pretty damn impressive and I wish that there were one like it for The Band.

Another friend of mine has turned into a big collector of Fender guitars and has decided to take lessons and play them. His teacher was once a member of Bill Haley's Comets, named Johnny Kay (click the link for more about him). I've gone to a couple of lessons with my friend and Johnny has some great stories that rival some of the road tales of Hawkins and the Hawks.

My daughter in college is now interested in Richard Manuel. She saw Counting Crows in concert last night and they played that song that mentions Richard (and even covered Joni's "Big Yellow Taxi").

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Jonathan Katz

When NASA was preparing for the Apollo Project, they did some astronaut training on a Navajo Indian Reservation in Arizona. One day, a Navajo Elder and his son were herding sheep and came across the space crew. The old man, who spoke only Navajo, asked a question which his son translated: "What are these guys in the big suits doing?" A member of the crew said they were practicing for their trip to the Moon. The old man got all excited and asked if he could send a message to the Moon with the astronauts. Recognizing a promotional opportunity for the spin-doctors, the NASA folks found a tape recorder. After the old man recorded his message, they asked the son to translate it. He refused. So the NASA reps brought the tape to the reservation where the rest of the tribe listened and laughed but refused to translate the Elder's message to the Moon. Finally, the NASA crew called in an official government translator. He reported that the Moon message said, "Watch out for these fuckers - they have come to steal your land."

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BWNWITennessee

Damn. I forgot to finish the rest of my post. You people take too much out of me. But somebody mentioned women doing evil things to men, and I think that is often true, but most of their deeds are overlooked. Someone told me about one of their friends in college who was in a, consenual, relationship with a girl. During the course of one particular "relationship," they had a difference of opinion on what he should do. How can I put it - to quote Bruce Springsteen, "Bobby said he'd pull out/Bobby stayed in." So she, as a result, went to the police and accused him of rape. Mind you, the entire episode was consensual, with the exclusion of the location of the culmination. Eventually, the police got the entire story and dropped any charges. But maybe some people are deserving of a good slapping around. I also personally know more than one man who mysteriously heard the words, when they began to venture that perhaps the relationship wasn't working out - "Guess what? I guess the pill didn't work. Funny how that happened." Having a baby to keep a man - probably the female equivalent of beating the shit out of somebody. Except in this case, there are two innocent somebodies whose lives are affected, and rather than getting arrested for it, you get paid for the next 18 years! Finally, since I'm on a roll here, you hear about deadbeat Dads all the time, which I'm not excusing. But it's gotta be hard to give up half your salary to a person who has custody of your kids, who you never get to see, so she can spend the money on herself. Or herself and her boyfriend. I'm not saying that's always the case, but it does happen. I don't really think that men or women are necessecarily (there's that damn word again. Where's spellcheck?) more evil than the other, I think they can cause each other equal damage, but in different ways. But women's evildoings are much more tolerated by society than men's.

Let the hissing and scratching begin!

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Dave Z

Thanks for the recent reviews and photos... gracious GBers... Amanda, Brown Eyed Girl,... Keep 'em comin'...

Enjoy yourself UK GBers... I look forward to hearing about it...

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BWNWITennessee

Maybe men are more abusive in this country because American society is so repressed. Europeans (and much of the modern world) are much more open and tolerant - drinking is not forbidden to young people, advertisements are allowed to be much more sexual in nature, people even generally stand closer together when speaking. The oppressive atmosphere in this country is, for the most part, a result of the Christian dominance of American society. Most Europeans I have met have commented on how religion-oriented this country is. As we Nashvillians know, by virtue of living in a city that is simultaneously the "buckle of the bible belt" and the capital of the adult entertainment industry, the tighter you squeeze, the more they slip through your fingers.

JennyT (or whoever it was), how about using Kinky Friedman's "Get Your Biscuits In The Oven (And Your Buns In The Bed)"? Or for old-schoolin' it, the Memphis Jug Band's "I Whipped My Woman With A Single Tree"?

BEG, I don't know whom that comment was directed at, but I have a feeling you'll have to define "vacillate" for him. (Unless it was directed to me. I have a dictionary. Besides, I vacillate in the shower every morning.)

"bennie," whomever you just might happen to be (though personally I think you probably meant "Benjy," being inspired by The Sound and The Fury) and Harry, come on, for crying out loud. At least try to come up with insults that I might enjoy. "your (sic) a tedious dullard" and an "idiot." Please. In the future, feel free to e-mail me if you want some advice on how to insult me properly. I can even send you a proper insult that you can then cut and paste on the GB. Incidentally, Harold, I have no idea what the hell the Main Line is, but if it made you feel better, I'm glad. But clever rebuttal - ever think about running for office?

Finally, on this whole man issue, I am an effeminite rageaholic. While I do not possess a physically imposing masculinity, I do enjoy drinking beer, working on cars, watching sports, and passing gas. Ladies?

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lifeboy

Cheers for the Billy Brag info, sounds interesting. (Cindy)Incidently, Billy Bragg has Ian Mclagan of The Faces playing with him in his band The Blokes.

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Dexy

Thanks Mr. Donabie. Always enjoy your posts. The George CD info was appreciated.

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Kevin

Subject: Syria Mosque 1976

The 1976 show at the Pittsburgh Syria Mosque was defintely the week of September 19, possibly Tuesday the 21st. Chris Hillman opened the show. A quarter-century later, if you drive into Oakland early in the morning, you can park right on the very spot the plough-boy stood.

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bob wigo

Amanda, Thanks so much for sharing those great photographs. Is there a story behind your attending the rehearsal?

Inquiring minds need to know!!

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Ray Pence

If any of my fellow Guestbookers would like a free MP3 of a new Billy Bragg song in opposition to the Gulf War revisited, please e-mail me at

rpence3@sunflower.com

Billy Bragg himself has been giving copies of this out at recent concerts and encouraging wide distribution. Band connection? For starters, there's the do-it-yourself ethic, the one-to-one connection with fans, the straightforward emotion, etc. A great artist in the tradition of Woody Guthrie without being a slavish imitator.

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John D

I'm thinking about getting that CD. I love the Blondie Chaplin track.

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John D

First whenever I see your name I think of my favorite Don Williams song. Question? Did you get to speak to Levon?

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Bayou Sam

John D = thanks for all the George Harrison info. I'm very excited to hear the CD.

I got the new CD by Anton Fig - interesting stuff - and a lot of guest musicians.

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lifeboy

Subject: John W/Woman Joke

Tee hee! That was a naughty one John but must admit it made me chuckle. I have some on the same level as that but we'll probably be hung if we go down that road so I will offer up the following........

THE ROPE

There were 11 people hanging onto a rope that came down from a helicopter. Ten were women and one was a man. The rope was starting to fray so they all agreed that one person should let go because if they didn't, the rope would break and everyone would die. No one could decide who should go, so finally the man gave a really touching speech, saying how he would give up his life to save theirs,because men were used to giving up things for their wives and children, always giving in to women, and that after all, women were the superior sex and must be saved. When he finished speaking, all the women clapped.

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Diamond Lil

Jenny: The work I mentioned is something I do a few nights a week, in addition to my day job. It's all that I can emotionally handle. I have great respect for anyone who can do this kind of work on a full-time basis.

John W: I won't even call what you posted a "joke" as there is _nothing_ funny about domestic violence. I do wonder though if your daughter was to show up at your door battered and bloodied.. would that be new 'material' for you...?

That's enough for me for tonight. Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.

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brown eyed girl

I hope you don't expect us to laugh along with you? There are women and men who post in this Guest Book who are survivors of abuse....Canadian stats.....probably similar to U.S.A stats:

1 in 5 women will be abused by her significant other in her lifetime
1 in 4 females will be sexually abused by the time she's 18
1 in seven males.....although they're starting to catch up....will be abused by the time they are 18....Could you explain to us how we didn't find the joke you shared hilarious?

Janet Jackson and Eve are two performers who come to mind who have written songs about abuse....

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Chris

Subject: Oh Yeah

I also wanted to say that I think Levon looks terrific in those new pictures from the night he played with Little Feat. Rock on Levon!

Hey Butch...hope all is well. Love to see Levon Helm and The Barnburners in Chicago.

How about another visit to Buddy Guys?!?!

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Chris

Subject: You guys wanna see something cool

I got a kick out of this....I don't know why! I clicked Levon, then Rick, then Robbie the volume of comparisons for Robbie, by comparison, was startling.

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Peter Viney

Jenny- yes, Mick does a fair old line in mysogeny – Under My Thumb, Stupid Girl etc. I think it was Elvis Costello who was quoted in the fuss over the Stones remasters, saying Jagger had one theme and the title “Look at me, I’m screwing this upper-class girl” (or words to that effect) would have covered most of them! Were there any more suggestions for Band songs?

Back to the remasters, a nice article in “The Times” today bemoaning remastered CDs because they might reproduce the sound of the studio (“as Jimmy Page heard it on the day”), but not that of cheap hi-fi speakers in 1970 when he’d learned to love Led Zeppelin. The writer compared the recently cleaned up old master paintings in Italy- pristine, glowing, as they were in 1500, but it was actually the yellowed, varnish cracked, years of accumulated filth paintings that had inspired so many people over the ages. He suggested remastered CDs had removed the beloved patina of the years. Reminds me of a BBC producer who spent his life recording live music. He said that CDs sounded far closer to what he heard in the studio than vinyl ever had, but that people loved the sound that had been familiar to them, and few people spent all day in studios next to live music.

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Jenny T

Lil: That is heavy work! You are very right. Nobody likes a guy who is really threatening or who flies off the handle, and threatening guys rarely make good husbands or parents. But sometimes people lump really goodhearted guys who are just very traditionally masculine with guys who are misogynists and/or downright dangerous and reject them all. I guess I feel sometimes we throw out the baby with the bathwater, and now we make even really good guys feel like they have to walk on eggshells all the time so as not to be offensive.

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Jenny T

I think everyone would stone me to death if we played Under My Thumb. Two songs I think would be good would be Keb' Mo's "I'm on Your Side" and Bruce Springsteen's "Walk Like A Man" from Tunnel of Love.

Thanks for the tip on the SNL show--I hope they won't edit too much of the music out. If they cut it all out (as they sometimes seem to do) my head will explode.

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David Powell

Subject: Capitol box set

One glaring omission from Capitol's 60th Anniversary box set: "Smoke! Smoke! Smoke! (That Cigarette)" by Tex Williams and his Western Caravan. This 1947 western swing recording, written by the great Merle Travis, was Capitol's first million-seller.

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Bones

The Band's SNL show will be broadcast this Halloween on ETV. It is an edited show of the original, so I don't know how many of the four Band songs they will show.

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rosalind

Subject: Riddles and Biddles

Biddles - I knew a guy named Biddle from East Pa. He worked as a truck driver for a chain of funiture stores. He kinda looked like that guy who eyed those snipers. Wonder if he could have been related to "Harry's Big-Time Biddles?" His first name was Clovis, Clovis Biddle.

Riddles - I'm lookin' at one. She's laughin' her ass off for no apparent reason whatsoever and She keeps lookin' over here at me from inside the closet-door mirror. Stop It ! Stop That !

I actually just wanted to apologize for that "hotdog bun" post earlier this morning...........That wasn't right.

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Peter Viney

John – thanks for the great info on the new Harrison album, I’ll be a first day buyer. But at only £850 a ticket for the tribute show, I’ll have to give it a miss. Such a low price won’t ensure the exclusivity I crave.

Promotion – those 22 remastered Stones albums, released 8 days ago here, got a hell of a lot of pre-publicity in the smart papers and glossy mags. However, I checked our local MVC three times last week- they hadn’t got round to putting any of them out on the racks. Last Friday in Virgin, Milton Keynes, the same story. “They’re in the storeroom. Do you want me to get them out for you?” Monday at MVC – still not on display after a week. It reminded me of the Mick Jagger solo albums. Huge TV / magazine write-ups. Zero sales. I think I see why they’re going wrong. They think the high-profile stuff does it. In fact the schmoozing at local level does it. The free ‘demo’ albums that get sold to the public. The presents whether baseball caps or more interesting stuff. Making the guy in the record store feel important. They clearly missed out on that one! Comes of Mick being an arrogant prick. Anyway, I judge “The London Years” 3 CD set t o be incredible value. It’s the price of two CDs and has all the hits + B sides, and it’s half the price of the original boxed set. What you really really want. Then it has to be “Let it Bleed”.

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mojo360

hi-am looking to find a live recording of levon and the barnburners--anyone have one ? if so and you can make a copy please e-mail me at mojo360@lycos.com -- I'll pay you for it, or trade, etc--thanks

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Harry

Subject: Men's Songs, Geography - LBC

Friends & BWNWIT:

How about "Mr. Big Stuff" ("who do ya think you are?"). One of the BEST, MOST "descriptive" songs about men I can think of.

Sorry to have missed Garth and Friends at The Main Point. It's a great little venue, and brings to mind memorable shows from the 60's and 70's (including folk greats, Jackson Brown singing "Werewolves of Bryn Mawr", and Brooooce Springsteen just after "The Wild, the Innocent",etc.etc. (you know, before he started lifting weights and carrying the weight of being the next Bob Dylan and The Band...))

Yes, I grew up on Philadelphia's fabled "Main Line" - home of privilege, wealth, and snobbery carried to its' ugliest extremes. Hey, some of my best friends were Biddles (source of dynasty - Nicholas Biddle, President of the Second Bank of the United States, which held 1/3 of the gold in the US in the 1820's until Andy "Old Hickory" Jackson (wasn't he a Tennessee Volunteer, BWNWIT?) rightfully broke Nicholas' stranglehold on US finances) and they mostly ended up carrying on the tragic tradition of dissapation and abuse that third, fourth, fifth generations of great wealth do (sometimes).... Bottom line - left the area in 1972 to go to school in Bucks County (a little before gentrification by a decade or so) and "just fell right in love" with the place. Mim & I decided to move here in 1988 for big enough housing to start a family and to be equidistant from Philadelphia and Princeton. NJ - two major work areas for me.... But you know that all, don't you BWNWIT?(because you are a SW PA geography expert and a political science major, to boot)... My area of Bucks County (Lower SE) is where the poor folks from Kensington & Fishtown (Phila. neighborhoods) aspire to move to, and where the Bryn Mawr swells look down their noses at...

I've met a better "class" of people since leaving the Main Line, and that includes most folks on this GB. In addition, it includes Butch, and if you don't like it BWNWIT, well that's too bad.

Jeez, when you find yourself arguing with an idiot, it's time to quit.

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JTull Fan

Subject: George H.

Thanks for the link, John. Can't wait to buy the album.

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David Powell

Subject: George Harrison & Capitol

Thanks John for the report & the link on the new George Harrison release. There seems to be a certain level of spirituality in Mr. Harrison's music that is unique to much of of today's music. Since the rights to his post-Apple recordings (along with that of the Traveling Wilburys) reverted back to Mr. Harrison and have subsequently been out-of-print for a few years, I wonder if EMI/Capitol will be reissuing this work in the future?

There's a certain bit of irony in the fact that the photograph that Capitol chose to use for The Band is one of Robbie & Levon working together -- don't you think?

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John D

With ticket prices for the George Harrison tribute on the 29th going for £850, £550, and £450. I was wondering Peter Viney....how many tickets would you like? I also wonder what the scalpers will get? Mr. Clapton and friends should throw a great celebration for George.

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John D

Subject: George Harrison

The link that I have left to George's site will say much more than I could about hearing the entire Harrison album this morning. There are 12 tracks. 11 original, 1 cover. The quality of the musicians including Jeff Lynne, Jim Keltner and Ray Cooper is fantastic. Harrison knew for some time that he was dying and therefore was able to really think about what he wanted to do on his last album. It is different from others. His persepective is different. It is a very "pop" album that reminds me a little of the 60's without sounding 60's. Lynne like Rundrgren puts his stamp on the production. When Jeff Lynne produces you know it's him immediately. There's is always that E.L.O. sound there in the distance. Son Dhani spoke on a video about his father and it was very touching; but not syrupy. He has inherited his father's way of dealing with life and death. I asked Capitol if Lynne and Dhani would be available for interviews in the future and all of Canada has been given only 2 interviews. The family is very secretive I'm told and are not going to do a ton of promotion on his. Perhaps they feel it will sell it self to a degree. Anyway 11 of the songs are original with one cover tune. The "Harrison sound" is there and the songs are strong. We were given a plant and a gnome(like the All Things Music Pass Gnomes).

I was also given the Capitol 60th Anniversay package. The coffee table book that comes with the 6 Cd's is awesome showing Capitol acts from Johnny Mercer to the present.

I was course looked for THE BAND. Guess What? With a number of pictures of The Beatles and The Beach Boys (who did very well for Capitol thank you very much) we have one picture. It is the picture of Robbie and Levon playing in Sammy Davis house in the Bedroom. No picture of Garth, Richard or Rick. Beside it they say "The Band 1967." The year is wrong and it's only 2 fifths of the Band but it's a beautiful two page black and white. The packaging is awesome. The sound is Great!

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Roger Woods

Subject: November 21st - calling all those in the UK on that date.

November 21st approaches and the showing of The Last Waltz at the Everyman Cinema, Hampstead. Doors open at 5.30. How about anyone who can make it meeting in the Freemason's Arms (see the link to it above) at 5.00? There'll be a chance to meet and socialise after the film too. Band website luminaries may be present and who knows who we might meet from outside the GB. I'm still trying to come to terms with the idea that there are Band fans who don't drop in to the GB.

I'd quite like to know who might be there. How about emailing me (rogerwoods22@hotmail.com) or expressing intentions in the Guest Book. Sorry you can't make it Rich.

Karl - email me and we can arrange a pickup in Oxford.

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John W.

"Under My Thumb" by the Rolling Stones is a good "man song!"

Q. What does a woman do when she gets out of a battered-woman shelter?

A. The dishes -- if she knows what's good for her!

(Sorry, I couldn't resist)

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bob wigo

W.S. Walcott, I think Zevon was born in Chicago, Illinois.

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rosalind aka lonely little hotdog bun

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WS Walcott

Subject: warren zevon

A lot of people around these parts think Zevon is Canadian. I wonder why. Anybody know of some Canadian connection?

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WS Walcott

G-W-M nice and trim

Seeks S-E-X at the G-Y-M

Ugly man treats girls like dirt

Wants buttons sewn upon his shirt

Call 1-800 girls for fun

You lonely little hot dog bun

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WS Walcott

Subject: man songs

The greatest man song of them all. Mannish Boy-Mudddy Waters. Or was that already mentioned? I been away for awhile. Worst man song 2000 Man, The Kiss version, aaaaaaaargh!

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rosalind

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bob wigo

A very kind gesture on the part of Dutch Sampson a few posts earlier. I hope the folks here will visit his petition site and sign in.

Warren Zevon is a uniquely American singer/songwriter and should be recognized for his wonderful musical contributions. His music will surely live on.

Thanks for the reminder and the effort Dutch. Peace to you Warren.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Man Songs

What about The Shape I'm In, followed by Across the Great Divide? Kiddingly, how about Neil Sedaka's Having My Baby? For female songs, I pick Frankie & Albert, and kiddingly Helen Reddy's I Am Woman.

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roz

Brown-eyed-girl - I don't know what you mean. Since your post came after mine, I was wondering if your seemingly veiled insult was hurled thru space at yers truely or were you just quoting RR for the hell of it because you didn't have anything orginal to say? (I quote song lyrics when I don't have anything original to say.) Please respond in more open detail if you would. Sorry to mention it if it didn't have shit to do with me and even if it did .. "I don't really mind...Hell I don't mind."

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JTull Fan

Subject: This and That

John D.: Looking forward to your report on George's upcoming album! The Bob Dylan website mentions that Bob recently played three Warren Zevon songs in concert. Rollie: I totally agree that the CIA has been involved in some...many, nefarious plots. Some succeeded and some didn't. But when I look at some recent accusations, they don't make sense to me in terms of motive, what stands to be gained, etc. For example, Paul Wellstone, although extreme to one political viewpoint, was a very well-liked man. True, he opposed many things the CIA may have supported, but in many of these he was a lone or minority voice who was not about to tip the balance of power. He was not a threat, so to speak. Also, his re-election chances were close, even if he was pulling ahead. But now, the Republicans stand very little chance of gaining his seat given the flood of sympathy for Wellstone's memory. So assassinating Wellstone, aside from being repugnant, does not add up in terms of who gains.

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Diamond Lil

And so.. this is a passionate subject for me. I love men.. kind, gentle, funny men who know how to be masculine without being abusive.

Have a good day everyone.

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Jenny T

The men/women thing is a total minefield, and everyone here makes a good point. I think the men who do not discipline their aggression well and save it for when it is useful, those who get into trouble, are men whose parents didn't do a very good job. Women who are not raised well also often turn out to be evil jerks, but you don't notice it as much because they are usually not as aggressive about it. Maybe they don't go around punching people and winding up in jail, but they are still socially destructive.

The reason I get worked up about this issue is that if some of the women I know met my Dad, they would say "Jeez, what a caveman." But if you want to know who read us our bedtime story, who asked us how we were doing and looked us in the eye and really wanted to know, who took us to Disneyland and to ride the ponies and spent time with us, it was Dad.

Okay he drove way too aggressively and I would sometimes have to close my eyes and yell "Dad slow down!" And he took us to sports events where we always fell asleep, and half the time he was with us we were helping him work on cars. Also he always tried to box with us even though we told him a hundred times we didn't want to know how to box. But in a way that was his loving ritual, his way of saying I want to engage you. And in spite of all this, he somehow NEVER made us feel like he wished we were boys, he just loved us the way we were, which was pretty darn girly.

When my parents got divorced, he wanted custody but back then they never gave it to the father, even if he was by far the more responsible and caring parent. I saw him shed a tear once, when we were talking about our family when I was about 20 and trying to understand what went wrong and he said "The worst thing that ever happened to me was losing my little girls." So I just hate to see guys rejected as worthwhile human beings just because they reek of testosterone once in a while.

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John D

I've been invited this morning by EMI to a special listening session for George Harrison's last album. I've heard a little of it on his site and he along with Jeff Lynne and son Dhani have done a brilliant job. Probably one of George's best works. I'm told there will be some surprises this morning. Wondering if Jeff or Dhani will be in attendace? I'll settle for a good listening.

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brown eyed girl

As always.......you are self-righteous and smuggly sit on the fence....Very dangerous position 'cause you are prone to vascillate.......You stand for everything and nothing......Band connection.....for you.......As I am posting.....Robbie is heard on the radio saying......"Hi, this is Robbie Robertson".......

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rosalind

My mind is a steel trap when it comes to song lyrics and movie dialogue. This one's for you Ben...

"I know a guy...he's got a lot to lose...
He's a pretty nice fella ... just kinda confused..
He's got muscles in his head ... ain't never been used ...
Thinks he owns half of this town....

He starts to drinkin'... Gets a big red nose....
Beats his old lady with a rubber hose ...
Then he takes her out to dinner and buys her new clothes...

For everybody:

"And the old men sit 'round the cracker-barrel....
The children hum their Christmas carols...
The train tracks all run parallel....
But they'll all met up one day...

In a dusty pew in a vestibule..
Sits the devil playing pocket-pool...
He's waiting on the next poor fool..."

"All new directions must go ev-er-y where...
Big round people in a cool little square....."

Rich - Lovin' 'cross the pond at you too babe....I'm just a little bit stoned right now.....(smile)

"And if you see me tonite...
With an illegal smile ....
It don't cost very much...
But it lasts a long while...
Won't ya please tell the man I didn't kill anyone..
No I'm just tryin' to have me some fun...
Well done..
Hotdog fun...
My sister's a nun..."

Kill me before I recite again !

All lyrics by John Prine

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bennie

Big Weenie Nit Wit in Tenn your a tedious dullard

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lifeboy

Cheers Donna and bless you.

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Dutch Sampson

Subject: Warren Zevon

Warren Zevon will be on Letterman Oct. 30,2002. He is dying of lung cancer and has weeks to live say the Drs. Paul has played on his albums in the past. I ask you to PLEASE sign this petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/bucsrule/petition.html so that Warren can get recognizes by the R&R Hall Of Fame while still alive. Even if this dosent happen, just showing your support by signing and adding a comment, would be a great gift for him to share with his family. Too many awards are given after a person has died. We can change that and make someone know we care. I would like to get this to Paul or Dave, so they could pass it on to Warren. I have a little over 1,500 signatures now, but our time is short. PLEASE SIGN and pass on to all you know, and any other web sites that we can post this on. I know Paul would want to know about this. Please let me know if you can help. It's the rite thing, and a nice thing to do. Deep Peace, ~ Dutch Sampson, pottersfields@webtv.net

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Donna

Subject: Scrolling

I intended to post about the show at the Point on Friday night, which by the way was just great!!! While I was doing the guestbook catch up, I noticed BWNWITennessee, rant and rave post. Trust me, I don't want to get caught up in personal feuds, although I would like to take this opportunity to voice my right to free speech, thanks to our insightful webmaster. IMO, the reason this guestbook is so impressive is it's diversity and freedom of opinions. Therefore, if you disagree with someone, then you too have the right to scroll. Negitive threads and post are certainly a freedom we all have in here, but scrolling right on by them, just makes much more sense to me. Making this guestbook a much more pleasant place to visit. It takes a thousand positives to get rid of just one negitive. On that note, I like to wish everyone a wonderful night!

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Richard

Subject: Incredible String Band

Thanks to everyone who took a moment to respond to my plea for ISB guidance. You're confirmation of my choice of "5000 Spirits" as a good starting point is appreciated, and I shall proceed chronologically in collecting their CDs from there, as most of you have advised. "Singing the Dolphins Through" is an ISB song I had completely forgotten. Thanks Bill. Manfred Mann are the shit aren't they? Dylan, Newman, Dr John, Nilsson, Springsteen, Armatrading. They certainly knew a good song when they heard one. Did they ever cover a Band song? Don't know...

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rollie

Great to see Levon pickin it with one of my all time favorite guit fiddlers, Stephen Bruton! Thanks Amanda! And thanks to Ben and Tull for not eviscerating me ! Long days(three straight weeks!) of remodeling a friends kitchen,(removing the old log floor, wiring , sheetrocking, tileing) have left an already weathered and shrunken brain devoid of rational thought,especially before my morning elixir!(strong coffee!) Despite my getting all the ducks in a row , however, one look at the sordid past of our "intelligence" communities should be enough to raise the eyebrows of the non-believers. This a music page however and my temper gets the best of me sometimes. Best to all! ---Rollie

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Charlie Young

Subject: Emmylou Mixes Music & Politics From Birmingham to DC

In a series of benefit concerts to benefit the "Landmine-Free World" movement, Emmylou Harris is about to start a short tour through the South with various guest artists including Mary Chapin Carpenter, Bruce Cockburn, Steve Earle and others. In a special evening on November 12, Emmylou will receive the 2002 Leahy Humanitarian Award from Senator Patrick Leahy. Performers at that event will include Carpenter, Earle, John Prine, Nanci Griffith, Patty Griffin, Guy Clark, Rodney Crowell, Buddy & Julie Miller and Jamie O'Hara. The expensive seats include a meet-and-greet with the performers. Click the link for all the scoop. Congratulations, Emmylou!

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brown eyed girl

"Mmm...hmm...hmm...mmm...hmm..
Yeah, yeah

When I was a young boy
I had visions of fame
They were wild and they were free
They were "blessed" with my name

And then I grew older
And I saw what's to see
That the world is full of pain
And my dreams they left me

And then I got stronger
Inside of the pain
That's when I picked up the pieces
And I regained my name

And I fought hard, y'all
To call by my place
And right now you could ask me
And it all seems in vain

[Your dreams ain't easy] Your dreams ain't easy
[You just stick by your plan] You just stick by your plan
[Go from boys to men] Go from boys to men
[You must act like a man] You gotta act like a man
[When it gets hard, y'all] When it gets hard, y'all
[You just grab what you know] Got what you know
[Stand up tall and don't you fall] And my background sing

You will know [You will know], yeah...eah...
[You will know]
[You will know] You will know, you will know
[You will know]

And I know you're cryin'
'Cause it's all in his vein
And the things you want you can't have
It just all went away

But life ain't over
Hoo...hoo...
Just grab the winds and make demands
And the vibe will take you far

[Your dreams ain't easy] Your dreams ain't easy
[You just stick by your plan] Stick by your plan, boy
[Go from boys to men] GO FROM BOYZZZZ TO MEN"

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BWNWITennessee

Peter, it's Halloween! Whaddya expect? But Harry has been critical in the past of those who don't post messages that adhere to his guidelines (remember, we all need to note "NBC" if there is no Band content in a post, so he can scroll past it easier), which has actually been the tenor of this guestbook since almost day one. He has criticized others, while not adhering to his own self-proclaimed standards. Kinda like the U.S. government. But if you come here with an antagonistic attitude, you have to expect to reap what you sow. I do. And as his somewhat bizarre belittling of a rather insignifacant portion of one of my posts, and some other unanswered insults directed towards me, indicate, he was simply trying to be a troublemaker. And was successful. But it's all for naught, as the happy couple are now pleasantly honeymooning at alt.band, praise be to Crab.

But I've learned my lesson, and will never again from this point on post anything that is not directly regarding The Band.

I saw that Geo Bush has already surpassed Clinton's fundraising levels, something the so-called liberal media has casually overlooked, while bashing Clinton for the same.

Christina Aguilera has just surpassed Jennifer Love Hewitt as my favorite Rolling Stone covergirl (Rollingmate?). God bless Christina. What a fucking whore. If her skirt gets any shorter, we'll be able to see that ring. She said she doesn't care about looking pretty. Congrats, baby!

But the magazine does have a good interview with Tom Petty. I have to say, I pretty much agree with everything he says. Grumpy is cool!

If you don't want to use "I'm A Man," how about The Who's "I'm A Boy"?! "I'm a boy, I'm a boy/But my mom won't admit it/I'm a boy, I'm a boy/But if I say I am I git it."

Roz - how 'bout this one:

He ain't got laid in a month of Sundays
I caught him once he was sniffin' my undies
He's a wacked-out weirdo lovebug junkie

-John Prine

(Gotta love John Prine)

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Amanda

Setlist.com has this comment in regards to the photo of Levon on mandolin-"Cajun Girl", Levon Helm, mandolin(no vocals), Stephen Bruton, guitar(electric), Sam Bush, fiddle, Bela Fleck, banjo, Fred Tackett, mandolin,(Fred & Levon call & response!), Vince Herman, guitar(acoustic).

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biffalo bull

the train to grinderswitch is running right on time, you're so fine

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Bayou Sam

Subject: man songs

"When I Grow Up To Be A Man" - THE BEACH BOYS

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Al

Subject: The Band

I love the Band and I'm a big fan I also like Bob Dylan And I play the Guitar and My favourite movie is The Last Waltz. I am a Teenager.

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rich

Subject: trivia/bob wigo/ im throwing in the towel

spot on bob! you guys are too good for me ! john rhys davies, fine welsh actor was also in the lord of the rings.just watched frailty, the bill paxton christian ,gothic ,horror /hitchcock homage.pretty good,very scary;lots of food for thought quite in keeping with the religous dialogue on the gb lately. goodnight all.hug roz. rich.

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Pehr

that sure does look like Bruton in that picture of Levon w/ Little Feat...

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Pat Brennan

Oddly enough, the Beatles footage is equally compelling.

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Ben Pike

Rollie: I'm suggesting that there is no evidence to suggest such a thing happened; and until such a time it's tasteless and just makes light of his death to plug it into generic paranoia , however justifyed. Look at the things Tull and Roz say and support, it's all quite awful enough without making things up.

I don't know how "Spanish Pipedream" becomes a guy song. The singer, who has wisely rejected the insanity of a culture that would produce a Vietnam war, makes his choice to fade further away from the mainstream in tandum with a strong, independant woman who is ready to make the same choice.

And what's with the uncredited lifting from Anderson's "Theives Like Us?" Ethics please.

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Ray Pence

Subject: Greenpeace story link

Hello, there's an important news story about Greenpeace, a cause favored by Rick Danko, at this link:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20021027/sc_nm/environment_greenpeace_dc_1

Paul Wellstone was the kind of man Woody Guthrie would have written and sung about. Rest in peace.

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Bones

I would like to add some information about the soundtrack to Best Revenge. I finally got a cd copy of it, and on the Levon track called "Straight Between The Eyes", Garth plays accordian on that number and is thanked in the credits.

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bob wigo

Peter,

Through some very interesting circumstances I have found a new relative in Whittlesey, England.

Would you kindly email me if you can find time? rwigo at aol.com

Thank you.

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rosalind

S-S-S-Sometimes things fly out of me and I just don't know where they came from. I actually work in a poolroom / bar / kitchen in the back were I can do a little cookin'. Anyway, I'm 43 years old, I been around a lot of bars. That's what I do, I'm a bartender. I know all about those stories that the wife-beaters bring in. I know about the grocery money being spent on booze. My opinion is not based on the whining males. I can tell a lie from the truth. But something has happened to the male species and it ain't good. It's wounding the young men. They think they're not worth anything. They get crazy and violent ... not in a normal way. Where do the go. The confidence in their own manhood is nil. They begin hating themselves. When a man loses confidence in his manhood --- fists fly in all directions and usually strike a woman. I just speak for myself ... What I said might have been a bit on the unfair side. It's just that I have always been more comfortable with men. Women don't like me so I avoid them. Sorry for that little bit of an unfair outburst but that's exactly the way I feel.

Now....On a lighter note...

I'm goin' steady with Iron Ore Betty ..... She's goin' steady with me...

We receive our mail in the same mailbox ... We watch the same TV...

I got rug - burns on my elbows ..... She's got'im on her knees....

I'm goin' steady with Iron Ore Betty ...She's goin steady with me....."

-- John Prine --

Mr. Wyman - I'm sure everyone would love to hear your memories of Rick. Afterall, that's all anyone has now.

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Mary (bear)

Subject: Professor Louie & The Crowmatix (Garth Hudson) Show

Hi All! Went to the Crowmatix/Garth Hudson Show in Philly at The Point on Friday night......ahhhhhh excellent show. They are such a great band. Played alot of Band songs and some of their own. So sorry I don't have the list of songs they played, but I was so mesmerized by Garths playing. I went to the show with my friend Donna from PA, met up with Frank, Pat, and finally met Ruby. When we first went in, we saw Maud Hudson and Garth and Maud told us where to sit so we could see Garth. Got seats right up front about 5 feet from Garth. I always knew he was a genious, but watching him play up close and personal........well I was just mesmerized. He plays with such feeling. He really breathes, feels, and lives the music. And the Crowmatix were great. They also were wonderful. I was thrilled to speak to Professor Louie and Marie afterwards. I am going to their Pittsburgh show on December 4th and I highly recommend anyone in the area should attend. It was so nice, of course, to see Garth and Maud again and to hear Maud sing. She was invited up on the stage to sing "It Makes No Difference" and to help out on a few numbers. She has a terrific voice. I was thrilled to finally get a chance to hear her sing, although she did sing the chicken song for me last year privately. I got some autographs, a few cds, and had a very nice conversation with Maud, she is one terrific lady. So sorry Lil couldn't attend, but next time for sure. Nice to see such a great crowd as well. Everyone have a good day now.

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Bill

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Pehr

I think Britney Spears masterpiece "Boys" is really a go getter.

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Susan

Hmmm - most music I can think of that seems about directly about men has them in that young man macho strut mode, or maybe just macho strut, which doesn't seem quite right for your purposes. I like the idea of the Magnificent 7 theme. It does have that sense of wide skies and action that seems very male to me.

One of the things about male vs female behavior that always fascinates me is the way they group; now this is Band-related, since the male group part of most rock bands is illustrative of the way men banded together behave differently from women banded together. Of course this is a vast generalization, but men seem to need proximity,. and regular meetings and a continued shared purpose to maintain a bond. There's also a mysterious sense of super-loyalty and protection in a tight male group; bad behavior outside the group is excused as 'he's that way'. I really don't fathom this last, and am not fully describing it because I don't really understand how it works and just what the rules are, but it is different from the way women maintain bonds.

Ros, don't reject your own gender out of hand, and remember that you are in a bar, which is the traditional male refuge and place for whining and lying. If you heard the woman's side of their stories you might take a different view. Being female, you are supposed to sympathize with these guys; that's what men expect from women in these situations. The fact that they are talking about it at all probably means they are not convinced that they are right and the woman is wrong; a little guilt there, maybe.

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bob wigo

Rich, would that link be John Rhys-Davies?

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JTull Fan

Subject: Rollie

Ashcroft LOST that race 2 years ago, and if anything, Wellstone's unfortunate passing makes things more difficult for Coleman. He can't campaign, at least not without seeming crass, and Mondale will probably receive much sympathy support. BACK TO THE MUSIC: Bobdylan.com gives a track listing for Bootleg Series Vol. 5, which will include a bonus DVD with two tracks/videos from Renaldo & Clara mixed in 5.1

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rich.

Subject: music to be male to pt.2+a bit of trivia

great subject. good time lads music. anything by the faces, no contest. the faces have to be the all time great lads together going out for a few beers band. classic track;stay with me and loads of others. quick trivia before i shoot out for a few beers with the lads(leaving the missus at home in true faces lad style). on the day that wales's finest, the manics release a gratest hits album, some welsh related film trivia with a band element too. what or who is the common link between the indiana jones movies, levon's least memorable film ,best revenge, and my neck of the woods, wales? easy peasy lemon sqeezy. rich

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Peter Viney

I think it'd have to be by a female singer really. "Stand By Your Man"? Millie Jackson's 'Caught Up' / 'Still Caught Up' would have to be strictly avoided in the situation, but Gladys Knight's "Midnight train to Georgia" seems aptly supportive.

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Dave Z

The ultimate guy song in my book... has always been... The Theme from The Magnificant Seven... although, my personal favorite is... Spanish Pipedream by John Prine... Blow up yer TV... go to the GB... try and find Big Pink... onnnn yer own...

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David Powell

Subject: Capitol Records 60th Anniversary

As Bones mentioned, Capitol is releasing a box set compilation from the various artists that have recorded for the label. This year marks the 60th anniversary of Capitol, which issued its first releases in the summer of 1942 in the 78 shellac format. The compilation will be a limited edition 6-CD box set with photos & essays. Different music critics will cover each decade of recordings which are represented by a disc devoted to each decade. As one might expect, the Beatles seem to dominate the '60s disc, and this is apparently the first time that their recordings have appeared on a multi-artist release. The Band is represented on the '60s disc with their 1968 recording of "The Weight".

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Bill

For those of you with an interest in the writer of that classic Rolling Stone interview with Robbie Robertson, here's a note from Howard Gladstone that I just found in my mailbox:

"Hi everybody. Just a quick reminder, I am releasing my album (on CD) "Sunflowers Light The Room" on Saturday November 9 at Clinton's, 693 Bloor St. W. Doors open at 9PM, and the band Likewater starts off the show at 9:30. I will be appearing at 10:30 accompanied by Tony Quarrington (guitars), Bruce Longman (bass), Anne Lindsay (violin), Mike McClelland (drums). My new website is published. Check it out at www.howardgladstone.com. There are lots of details about the new album and the album/cd launch as well as some MP3 sound clips. Thanks, and hope you can make it on November 9!"

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rollie

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rollie

Are you suggesting that it's not a possibility? Or that Ashcroft didn't win his race because his opponent also died in a plane crash just weeks before the election? The cases bear some scrutiny as, already the details being reported by such stellar news agencies as CNN differ from the facts, such as the weather conditions at the time of the crash.I would agree, however, that it's jumping the gun at this moment to make any assumptions. Wellstone did however represent the biggest threat to the current administrations bid to contain Congress.

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bob wigo

That does it....I'm going to get hitched.

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rosalind

I know Jenny T.'s question wasn't meant to be taken like I took it. I am strongly opinionated on certain subjects. Well...all subjects actually.

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Roger Woods

Subject: Music to be male to.

Jenny T. I understand your point about men becoming the under dogs and women having double standards to live up to. However there's something about testosterone that leads to the prison population being overwhelmingly male and to most of the military aggression in the world being caused by males. During the recent episode of the tragic shootings in DC and Maryland did anyone have any thought that the prepetrator might have been a woman? There's some way to go before males are a threatened species

Music - all that's been suggested so far is pretty macho. How about Lola by the Kinks (too controversial?) or "He ain't heavy" by the Hollies (overplayed and corny?) or "The Last Time I saw Richard" by Joni Mitchell?

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brown eyed girl

When A Man Loves A Woman...Percy Sledge
Half The Man I Used To Be...Stone Temple Pilots
GOD FEARING MAN...Ben Harper (solo acoustic)
CANADIAN MAN...Paul Brandt

Anyway....I've been teaching for fifteen years and still.....in 2002......It is generally the males who try and take over a classroom.....and I still have friends who even if their son wants to buy a pink shirt.....will refuse.......still....Ask even the women in Rock or the women in this Guestbook......All of us still have a long way to go.....DOUBLE STANDARDS STILL PERSIST......

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brown eyed girl

Subject: James Brown

"It's A Man's Man's World"....."This is a man's world....This is a man's world.....But it wouldn't be nothing.....nothing without".....

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Diamond Lil

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Peter Viney

My copy of Clinton Heylin’s Van Morrison biography “Can You Feel The Silence? … a New Biography” just arrived and is now in the stores. Read the first page … he even dares call it a “New Biography” and tales of the problems of being a biographer start it off- extremely reminiscent of the fuss over “Across the Great Divide” … people in Woodstock refusing to talk to him etc. The book looks highly promising though. Nothing new on TLW or 4% Pantomime (I checked first).

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Peter Viney

Jenny- your service music. Well, heavy metal seems very male but inappropriate. The one that shot into my head was "Walk Like a Man" by the Four Seasons, then the song of the same title by Bruce Springsteen. However, I suspect that the former is potentially problematic (My own father, said give her up, don't bother, the world isn't coming to an end … and … No girl is worth … crawlin' on the earth … so walk like a man, my son …). The song plays over the opening of "The Wanderers"

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Jenny T

As self-appointed champion of the underdogs at our church, it was my idea to have a pro-men service which has now been scheduled for Feb 23. I feel that our emphasis on social justice is good, but that the pro-feminist stance has gone so far as to create a new double standard where women can get away with any obnoxiousness and men have to walk on eggshells. For example our minister was recently in a meeting where he was pushing his point aggressively and was told he was acting "too male". You know if a woman were being obnoxious, they would all say "You go girl." And let me tell you all hell would break loose if you ever told a woman she was too female.

I also feel the men are not sufficiently appreciated or ministered to unless they are being oppressed for their race or something--then they're OK. So I don't know what we will do yet but I think it will be refreshing and good. Of course I am already thinking about music. Our pianist is a genius and can play anything, and I thought you guys would be able to come up with some unabashedly masculine songs, or songs that say something interesting about what it's like to be a man. All I can think of is Mannish Boy, and I'm not sure that would be appropriate. We could use the sound system and give the pianist the day off too. Any ideas?

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Peter Viney

While I appreciate the cut & thrust of lively debate, I think BWN’s recent exhuming of past posts tends towards being a vendetta / witch hunt. Harry & Mim have been enthusiastic and friendly posters, and have been friendly and courteous whenever they’ve communicated with me (as has Butch). It’s not worth letting minor contretemps here get unpleasant – I mean, people haven’t gone after my neck (well, not much) because of my possibly asinine comments on Pete Seeger or The Doors, even though they annoyed some of you in the short term. People come here to relax, argue a littleas over a friendly drink, not to be the subject of personal attacks. Sorry, here endeth the sermon.

Ben – try and find yesterday’s Sunday Times, where they argue cogently that Belafonte’s comments were intrinsically racist, and would have been totally unacceptable if a white person had said them. As to every right winger ‘pretending to be an ex-left winger’, I’m sure you know the Winston Churchill quote (which I’ll misquote as I can’t be bothered to look it up), but it’s along the lines of “Show me someone who isn’t a socialist at twenty, and you show me someone who has no heart. Show me someone who’s still a socialist at fifty and you show me someone who has no brain.” Sorry, couldn’t resist that. The fact is that a significant proportion of left wingers become right wingers. On the other hand, some right wingers forced to re-look at the world due to changed circumstances, or contact with the world’s miseries go the opposite way. BTW, we of the POBTH party merely step to the sidelines and ignore it as best we can. So as to the movement from left to right, no praise; no blame.

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Ben Pike

So, ah, what serious person is claiming Wellstone was murdered? Well, such a false premise gives a right winger a chance to laugh about his death, I suppose.

Great letters on Salon on the Belefonte comments. The pros well reasoned, the cons from touchy whites pretending racism is all part of the past. As ever, allmost every right winger claims to be a formor lefty who has reformed. Tull, where do you get your talking points?

On an unrelated but related sounding subject, the new album by The Negro Project is very strong. This is a smart, poppy group many Band fans would enjoy.

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Bob Wyman

I did not realize Tom Dowd was that old. RIP Brother...

I wrote in here in Dec. 1999 about my night with Rick but left stuff out, (out of consideration for the moment), would any one like me to post the whole story? It is no biggie but insightful and a memory for me I will never forget. Nothing bad I assure you but a good story (in my mind).

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Mullah Omar

What??? The Band played at the Syria Mosque in Pittsburgh? Then all you Band fans should support the Islamification of the Western World!!!!

Allah be praised! Many thanks to all who marched this weekend in opposition to Bush's War Against Iraq.

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rollie

Is that Steve Bruton sitting in with Little Feat and Levon?

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Pat Brennan

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BWNWITennessee

Latest Rock 'n' Roll casualty: legendary producer Tom Dowd, who worked with Aretha Franklin, John Coltrane and the Allman Brothers, passed away this morning at age 78.

BWNWITenn, self-appointed GB mortician.

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BWNWITennessee

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Pat Brennan

Yes indeed, only Jan can say what belongs and doesn't belong, and I would say he shows a catholic sense of the appropriate.

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brown eyed girl

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
W.B. Yeats "The Second Coming"

Now you figure out where we're at......

Band Related.....Louuuu Reed quoted Yeats during his Bottom Line gig while singing "Sweet Jane" and Louuuuu has also played at The Bottom Line with GARTH HUDSON at Doc Pomus Tribute.......and Van the Man is a fan of Yeats as well and he was at TLW!

GARLAND JEFFREYS will be a guest of Richard Thompson on Saturday November 2 at 8:00 at the John Harms Center for the Arts....30 North Van Brant Street Englewood, New Jersey....Band Related.....Garland was in Grinder's Switch whose music was influenced by THE BAND....and.....Brown Eyed Girl is about to read a book on Ronnie Hawkins and she happens to also be a huuuuuuge Garland fan as well as a Band fan!

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jerry

Subject: Wellstone

Long very sad weekend, so much has been said about Wellstone, such a champion for the little guy, when Wellstone worked a room instead of hobknobbing with the dignataries and greeting the average guy if there was time, Wellstone worked the average folks first and the bighitters last, a champion for labor, human rights and so much more.. he is already so missed...

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Bayou Sam

Subject: Joni's ass

I watched TLW this weekend for the first time in a while and I have to say that I don't think Neil Y. grabs Joni M's butt.

That's the best I can offer now - I just drove home from New Hampshire, and I'm tired.

At least it's Band related.

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BWNWITennessee

One of the pleasures of this website is that it offers an opportunity to discover the personalities of fans of The Band from around the world; their humour, knowledge, eccentricities, quirks, activities and aggravations. It is the result of this collection of individual personalities that this Guestbook has developed into a true "community," in a way that no mere posting of information ever could. I'm sure that the majority of us would agree that there are few sites on the internet that offer this kind of intellegent bantering, kidding, support and friendship as this one does. I would even venture as to there being more than a few posters who seek a comradarie from this site that they are unable to find in the "real" world. I know that I would never have thought I would still be frequenting this site three years after I first posted, but it is the depth of ideas and opinions expressed here that have kept it interesting. This is, in fact, the only message board that I read on a regular basis at all. I imagine that most of the other long-term posters feel the same.

Occasionally there will be an appearance by a person who complains that people are posting about subjects that they are not interested in. Most people here were probably surprised by the level of non-Band-related threads on this site. I know I was at first. On rare occasions (as every one who has been here long enough is aware), Jan will mention that he is the only one who has the authority as to decide what is and is not appropriate material for this Guestbook. Most of the people who complain about the abundance of non-Band threads are infrequent posters, who have not been here for a long period of time, and usually do not stay for very long. Some of them are merely arrogant, attempting to impose their will on several dozen people. Others are hypocrites.

Harry, for curiosity's sake (know thy enemy, and all that), I took a look at some of your older messages. I have included a few favorites, although for space constraints I have edited them down to the essence. Here goes:

"We (Mim & I) tend to view America as one big contradiction. There are simultaneously many things to be extremely proud of, as well as many disgusting and embarassing episodes that make us scratch our heads and wonder how such a grand idea could have gone so wrong. The bottom line may be that one of America's most attractive attributes - the democratic freedom to live and do as one pleases (for the most part) - is also the thing that allows for the obscene and ridiculous actions and beliefs of some of our citizens and visitors... Still and all, there is no place we would rather call home. In our 225th year, there are activities and political decisions made every day that cause us to be glad to be "from here", and there are others that would cause our "founding fathers" to spin in their graves."

"The English also tend to be a little fussy over giving knighthoods to folks who come from British Commonwealth countries but, after finding out from their accountants that they are contributing maybe 90 PERCENT of their gross income to the British government, have decided to move/become citizens of other countries as "moneyed tax exiles.""

"Little Miss - if you want an SRV related "site" in Austin, TX - check out THE STATUE OF THE MAN down by the river that flows through the center of town - while you're there, check out the sculpture garden near it, too, and go for a swim at Barton Springs - they're all in the same approximate neighborhood. Then, go downtown, get yourself some REAL TEX-MEX food and beers, and find a club with THE NEXT great Texas bluesman/woman.... Austin is a great town, have a good time." (I guess excessive capitalization is a common trait among blowhards/buffoons - Tenn.)

"You got us, Donald. I "take the liberty" of signing Mim's name with mine because we "tend" (see the qualifier) to agree on most things musical and Band related."

"Little sis lives two doors down from the fabled Point (formerly the Main Point, site of many fine concerts by blues, folk and "folk rock" artistes such as Jackson Browne,Bonnie Raitt, James Taylor, "Brooooce" Springsteen and many others)."

"Mim & I own an old Casio keyboard (the kind with the "reduced size" keys that screw up your finger placement for a regular size keyboard) and an even older "accoustic" piano (shonenger upright console, no big whoop). I used to have a beat up guitar, but lack of interest in learning anything but the most basic chords led to its' "dissappearance.""

And my personal fav -

"I'll be the guy with the tortoise shell glasses, sportcoat, and dirty blonde hair. My lovely wife, Mim, will be much more noticeable as she is a delectable brunette "vixen" who I could just eat up (and usually do...)"

Ahem. Now that I've returned from the bathroom (it took three flushes and ruined my favorite mop!) I'll continue:

"latest news from Butch –
Thanks for "a picture from life's other side" Butch. You are a good fella.
Butch, ya listening?????
Butch - that goes for you, too, you sly ladykiller (Now THAT would not surprise me - Tenn.)
Good to see you again Butch!.
Butch - Thanks for the "road journal"
Felicities of the season to all, especially Butch Dener ("soul friend/ anam cara")
Thanks, Butch... Hi, Butch... Mr. Dener... Butch.. Butch, Butch... Butch."

Might I suggest that your commonlaw isn't the only person you are desiring to give oral pleasure to, Har?

When I'm done taking my picture with the Band WWW Pages Official Mascot, I think that Harry will be the very next person I send it to. That way we can all see what a big old pile of shit looks like. Bucks County, of course, being the heart of the (extremely gentrified) country, and as anyone who has ever driven through the country can attest to, nothing could sympolize it more than a big, heaping pile of fresh manure!

(Sorry about the length of this post, y'all. War is hell.)

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Tiny Monster

Subject: AA & um, The Band

No problem Brian, it's just that us Alchies are a little high strung and defensive. It doesn't take much to set us off or keep us away, even if it's for our own good. That's why AA is so all inclusive and allows you to choose your own God and have the relationship you choose with that God of your understanding.

I cannot help but think how things might have turned out different had some people we all know found this path.

That is Band related.

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Bonnie

Subject: anti-war rally drummers

Yesterday I went down to the anti-war rally (nice crowd over 100 thousand). There were many commenorative signs for Paul wellstone. But what really caught my attention were the drummers. The core group appeared to be 4 or 5 college student but every time I looked the numbers had increased. At one time there were 10 to 12 drummers using hand drums or sticks playing on various type of make shift instruments. For example, one drummer was playing on a 5 gallon plastic water bottle with a medal ring. Others played on tin cow bells or just large flat pieces of wood or stone. In addition to the drummers when I examined the crowd I noticed all kinds of percusion devices, a piece of wood with slay bells attached or even dried gourds. It never ceases to amaze me what a rich full sound can be found in make shift instruments. They sounded great.

Keep on drumming. Bonnie

referendum-votenowar.org

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Brien Sz

I cannot help but think how things might have turned out different had some people we all know found this path.

That is Band related.

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Bonnie

Subject: anti-war rally drummers

Yesterday I went down to the anti-war rally (nice crowd over 100 thousand). There were many commenorative signs for Paul wellstone. But what really caught my attention were the drummers. The core group appeared to be 4 or 5 college student but every time I looked the numbers had increased. At one time there were 10 to 12 drummers using hand drums or sticks playing on various type of make shift instruments. For example, one drummer was playing on a 5 gallon plastic water bottle with a medal ring. Others played on tin cow bells or just large flat pieces of wood or stone. In addition to the drummers when I examined the crowd I noticed all kinds of percusion devices, a piece of wood with slay bells attached or even dried gourds. It never ceases to amaze me what a rich full sound can be found in make shift instruments. They sounded great.

Keep on drumming. Bonnie

referendum-votenowar.org

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Brien Sz

Subject: Retraction

Tiny Monster, you are right, I reread what I wrote and I can see how that can be interpretted the way it was. I am sorry for that. I was trying to say something more along the lines (from seeing folks who have done the AA bit)that some hop on the religion band wagon a little too zealously, then get all preachy about how right they are now. It was my bad for not stating my intentions more clearly. I have no gripes or slanderous things to say about AA and or 12 step programs in the least.

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Caledonia

The discussion regarding lyrics about the devil found in Robert Johnson's and The Band's music was interesting. The events this past week in Moscow reminded me of the book "The Master & Margarita" by Mikhail Bulgakov. This is the book that inspired Mick Jagger to write "Sympathy for the Devil." There is a chapter titled "Black Magic and Its Expose." The devil, having arrived in Moscow accompanied by a talking black cat who likes to play chess and drink vodka, puts on a violent magic show in a theatre filled with people. Has anyone else read this book?

In the current issue of Q magazine (w/U2 on the cover) there is a review of a Norah Jones concert held on August 25, 2002 at Symphony Hall in Atlanta. Norah Jones closed the show with covers of "Bessie Smith" followed by "It Makes No Difference." Norah commented that "we're becoming a Band cover band!"

Last week I went to see the Richard Avedon retrospective at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. I was hoping Avedon's "sleeping Band" photo would be there (unfortunately, it's not).

In case anyone hasn't seen it yet, the current "Music Issue" of Vanity Fair includes photos of Dr. John and a Stax reunion w/Donald "Duck" Dunn, Steve Cropper and Mavis Staples. There is also an article written by Elvis Costello re: music to listen to during different times of the day/night. Under 4 PM Elvis writes: "Richard Manuel's yearning voice cries "Tears of Rage" from "Music from Big Pink."

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Johnny J. Johnson

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Peter Viney

Jan Hause- this is what I picked up from the net:
Fun, free-wheeling, undemanding early adventure series, Cannonball was a series of half-hour family dramas chronicling the adventures of two truckers who hauled freight on the highways of Canada and the U.S.A. U.S. actors Paul Birch (Mike Malone ) and William Campbell (Jerry Austin) in what was essentially a format to the later and classic, Route 66. Filmed around Toronto, Canada, the series was a joint Canadian/UK production, yet another example of Lew Grade's incredibly prolific ITC company co-production output. It aired in Canada on Mondays at 9.30pm on the CBC network.

So a joint Canadian / British show - hence its regular slot on TV here.

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Crabgrass

Subject: Linda Thompson

Terrific performance by Linda Thompson at the Bottom Line last night. Her voice was in fine form and she displayed a keen sense of humor her set consisting of both new and old tunes including "I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight" a Richard & Linda Thompson tune. The place was packed wall to wall for the early show and the crowd gave her the longest standing ovation I've ever witnessed at that club. She encored with "Dimming of the Day" accompanied by son Teddy on guitar. Teddy opened the show with a too short but excellent set of original songs and has obviously inherited much musical and vocal talent from both his parents.

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Harold Yañez M.

Los felicito por darme la oportunidad de conocer mas de esta genial agrupacion, The Band es lo mejor que he escuchado hasta ahora... saludos desde Chile.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Rollie's link

Rollie: Thank-you for sharing that humorous link with us. It is amazing what some people would believe! Quite a few factual errors in it too, ie that Robert Kennedy was running against Nixon. He was not. The night hew was assassinated he had just defeated Democrat Hubert Humphrey in the California Democratic primary. Certainly no one accuses Humphrey of assassinating him! Again, thanks for the link. It is great satire.

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Peter Viney

Jan- thanks for the Cannonball story. It was on TV too in the UK. Not only had I forgotten all about it, but it escapes attention in the basic TV histories I have. I see it in my memory as in the 5.25 slot, after school, with Ivanhoe, William Tell and Robin Hood – of which Robin Hood is the only one now considered “cult TV”. I didn’t know it was Canadian either, assuming it was a US one. The links to weight and load adds to it!

On memory, I not only managed to confuse Dee Clark and Gene Chandler, but do so while holding the sleeve in my hand. Anyway, there is a similarity. I never tracked down ‘Rainbow 65’- Wavelength discussed this. Did Van change it to Rainbow 66 because it fitted the lyrics? Because he was creating a deliberate myth (one better)? Or is there a 4th version to match the three known versions?

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Mullah Omar

al Qaeda and the Taliban concur with recent allegations in the Band Guestbook that Sen. Wellstone's death was no mere accident. Secret CIA documents obtained through Iraqi intelligence sources indicate that Wellstone's assassination was planned more than three months ago by former First Lady Barbara Bush.

The Truth will win out! Praise be to Allah!

Joseph: If you are in need of a wife I suggest you convert to Islam and move to Iran, Iraq, or any other fine Muslim majority country where you can easily find and legally have any number of wives. I, myself, have over seven at last count. (Va va voom!!!)

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Rosalind P. Richardson

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rollie

Wellstone assassinated?

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JOSEPH

Subject: I LOVE THIS SITE ITS FUN.

I AM IN NEED OF A WIFE.

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Bumbles

Subject: Dee Clark/Gene Chandler/Rainbow(s)

P_VINEY: The 1963 hit “Rainbow” was recorded by Gene ‘Duke of Earl’ Chandler, not Dee Clark. It was on VeeJay, though. “Rainbow ’65,” released in two parts on the Constellation label and also by Chandler, has the edge on the original. Recorded at Chicago’s Regal Theater, it’s one of the few vintage live soul recordings, and the audience seems to inspire a grittier than usual performance from the normally smooth Mr. Chandler.

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Mrs. Henry

Subject: The Next-to-the-Last Waltz?

Now that we have been ordered to discuss The Band and only The Band by a couple from a wealthy, fashionable Philadelphia suburb, I dare not mention George W. Bush's trillion dollar tax cut for the wealthy or the connection of his father to the manufacturer of the legal rifle used in the recent DC-area shooting spree. Instead I will ask if anyone can confirm that the actual last full concert by The Band before the "Last Waltz" show took place on September 18, 1976 at the Paladium in New York City? I imagine that Martin Scorsese may have attended that concert. I think that his "Taxi Driver" is a brilliant look inside the sick mind of a serial shooter, BTW. Oops, that's OT! Sorry!

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Add

Subject: MUSIC

Great site! Im Add and im 16. Im from Manchester -UK and im in a metal band called astigma. We would be grateful if poeple would come to our new band website to sign our guestbook and do our polls and other stuff as we want to hear other peoples opinions on our band. Female attention is allways greatly appreciated! - we are all lads. check out our site: http://www.astigma.i8.com Thanx - Add

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Scott Fontana

Subject: domain name

Simply notifying potential parties interested that the domain name kingscotty.com is available. grazie ciao, Scott Fontana

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Hi

There's gotta be a better recording of Little Birdies out there. I know it was played at at least one of the Fillmore East shows....I once borrowed a reel to reel of it about a month after the shows...but lost track of the guy a long time ago........

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Toronto Craig

The show is back on only @ a different club. CHECKMATES REUNION IS A GO! featuring original members: John Finley, Michael Fonfara, Peter Hodgson and Larry Leishman SUNDAY IS CONFIRMED BACK ON AT A NEW LOCATION: THE BLUE GOOSE. ADMISSION IS $5.00 2 SHOWS: 9:00 and 10:30 PM. The best way from here is Gardiner Expressway east - get off at Kipling then east on Evans to Royal York then south to left onto Cavell. Anybody heading west would get off the Gardiner at Islington and double back to Royal York to go south

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Jan Haust

Subject: weight/cannonball

Peter Viney: There are some possible Canadian cultural references that, being English, you may not be aware of in reference to " The Weight ". Growing up in London, Ont., and not having a tv antenna at the time, our family relied mainly on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation for television viewing. I think we also received some American stations from the city of Detroit, but not as clearly as CBC.

During the early to mid sixties, there was a propram aired for young Canadians just after school. It was half an hour in length and filmed in black & white. The story was about 2 truckers ( lorry drivers ) and their various exploits on the lonely Canadian highways. Ours is quite a large country with few people...fewer then. Travel and loneliness on our highways, railroads and jetplanes surface as themes in many of our singers' songs from this era.

At any rate the two truckers' names were ' Mike ' and ' Cannonball '. Mike was the younger less experienced one while Cannonball was of the older, wiser variety. There was even a theme song for the program...the program itself was entitled CANNONBALL. There were constant adventures as they drove their ' loads ' back and forth between cities ( much like the Hawks roaring back'n forth from Ontario to Arkansas to Oklahoma and back...)

Is it possible that the weight of Cannonball's load at the weigh station along the highway was a constant worry while he thought of loved ones back home and looked for a night's lodging along the way?

As kids, we'd just started high school when Big Pink came out. It was around that time that it became popular to try and decipher the 'real' meaning of the lyrics...man. Particularly Beatle ones. The better the smoke the wilder the interpretations. There was no doubt to us kids what the Band were singing about....we always knew they were singing 'catch ya Cannonball to take ya down the line...'

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Peter Viney

Not such a stupid white man- my wife suggested we go and see Michael Moore speak next month. Having read the book, I agreed. Tickets turn out to be £30 – the same as (e.g.) Dylan or Paul Simon + band & lights, – for one guy talking. The Macbeth I saw with a cast of 20 plus and very elaborate set and lighting was £22. And he does TWO talks a night.

Music – I’ve been listening to a Vee Jay compilation, and more specifically Dee Clark on “Raindrops” and “Rainbow.” The latter is quoted in Van’s “Mr DJ” (Hey, Mr DJ, play me Rainbow 66 …). While there was a remake called Rainbow 65 and another Rainbow 68, no one has traced a Rainbow 66 … however. “Raindrops” was the showstopper when I used to see Zoot Money circa 1962 or 1963. I first heard it through Zoot’s then-vocalist and never liked the Dee Clark version quite as much. Like a lot of singers of his time, he trys too hard to enunciate clearly and you can’t do that and sing “ain’t”. Bizzarely, the cover versions actually sounded much rawer. I’m trying to think of other examples.

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Ben Pike

I'm also happy to talk music, or when things are sheer rehash, to pass. I don't, like many other liberals, passively allow slights to my side. Paul Wellstone, whose above average values and sense of decency took a daily pounding from liars and creeps while others looked on and said, "they're all the same"; was one good reason why.

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rosalind

Subject: The Band and guestbook friends

I'm a little on the hurt side now so I will share a few things with my friends here. And do consider you folks my friends.

On the morning of March 4th 1986 at about 4am I was sitting alone. The news was on the TV with the sound turned down low. I heard three words "Band" and "He was". I was so shocked that most of my senses left me. My ears become numb along with the rest of me. The first thing I thought after about a minute was "Radio" I grabbed for the spin dial on my Pioneer and waded thu the AM radio stations for about an hour until I finally heard the news. The last time I had seen Richard he as standing on a stage on a TV variety show with John Sebastian, trying to dance. I couldn't believe what I as looking at. That shot of him on that TV show haunted me. It burned into my heart and never left. I guess a year or so later he as gone. I never met Richard, never seen a live Band show, but Richard was the first person I loved who ever died on me. When Rick left I was more stable so I only cried for about a week. I told everyone I met how much he meant to me. I talked to neighbors I had never spoken to before, I played the music for them while they stood and watched the tears flow down my face. They would have laughed at me so I didn't tell anyone that I didn't know Rick personally. Yeah my brother died, but He was nine years older than me. He never touched me. He was a cruel too cool arrogant kid, I didn't love him. I began to hide as a young child to escape the poverty and emotional brutality that ruled most of my home. I'm not ashamed to say that I crawled into movies and music and never left. I still do that altho I function in this world pretty good now.I know I don't talk about the Band much here because it will always come out emotional like it just did. It would bring people down. Diamond Lil knows some of this cause I told her.

I said that say this. The people here care about the five guys that have their name on this website. Conversations turn this and that but it doesn't change permanently. I don't see anything wrong with getting to know someone's opinions on different subjects. That's what friends do, they discuss things. Some folks look in here and and speak about shows that they have seen recently, I love that part since I have to hold a 6 day a week job down and cannot take the time to drive 400 miles to witness the excitement myself. I love going back into the "What's New" section and seeing the great photographs of shows I never get to see. I love hearing anything any of you people put down. I am a lover of The Band and all their people. I am not detached. I don't come here to talk exclusively about anything. Fun, music, general conversation, disagreements, emotional outbursts and passion are the ingredients of a healthy community. We all know, and I am sure will not forget, where our foundation lies within this community. Ladies and Gentlemen, It's The Band!

Tennessee - You didn't make me mad. I never get mad anymore, not even at Ben... Would Jesus blow somebody away? Nope! In the Holy Scriptures there is a passage, a beautiful thing, When the guards came to the garden to arrest The Savior, Peter drew a sword and cut off a guard's ear, Jesus picked up the severed ear and touched the guard's bloody head and healed it back on. Jesus Christ would have never shot or harmed anyone. I have a background in the Holiness chuch. Real Holiness churchs are all but extinct in today's world. I will never allow my beliefs and my experiences to get lost. I hold them in my heart because I know one day I will follow them and they will lead me back to that Old Rugged Cross.

Mr Viney - Thank you sir. I always believed that Robbie was talking right along those lines. He always said that "The Weight" was a gospel song. While spending time in the Christ-haunted South in his youth he might have attended a tent revival or two. I always felt a spiritual knowledge in his lyrics "To Kingdom Come" "Daniel and the Sacred Harp" "Pepote Rouge" "Skinwalker" and those are just the more obvious ones.

Sorry about the length and substance of this post............ I'm just me.

We lost a Minnesota senator and his wife and daughter along with some aids on the way to a funeral of all things. How much more can this country's heart take.....

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Quinn the Eskimo

Subject: Lyrics to "Birdies"

Made up lyrics? I listened over and over again to that song! I copied it into a wav file and manipulated the sound to get a better read on the lyrics. I stayed up until 4 a.m. and listened until my ears were close to bleeding. (Of course my eyes were doing OK, as I was watching some Rebecca deMornay movie about sex and murder.) Now, I'm sure that the lyrics are not completely correct. Can anyone help?

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Fred

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Otoole

Thanks for your responses on Little Birds. I've been enjoying listening to it so much. It's just a pleasure to finally hear it after wondering about it for so long. If anyone has any more comments I'd love to hear them.

Thanks also to the poster who made up some words of their own for the tune! Sounded like something off Cahoots...

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Lil Again

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Diamond Lil

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.

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Crabgrass

Subject: A Better Band Site

For those folks who crave incisive scintillating intelligent in depth Band related musical discussions I recommend clicking on the above link instead of wasting your time coming here.

Have a nice trip!!

Bye-bye!!!

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brown eyed girl

Subject: I Do Know Who I Am

For those of us who do know who we are: Some of us not only post about shows that feature Garth Hudson, Maud Hudson, The Hawk, Levon Helm, The Barn Burners, Jim Weider's Band, The Crowmatix, Richard Bell, Robbie Robertson, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel....etc.....but.......Some of us also post photos of these artists......and some of us also send in links to newspaper articles about these artists and sound clips.......Sometimes we post about artists that you......may not know about or you may not appreciate......because we are MUSIC FANS FIRST......Do you think The Band members and other artists who have worked with The Band only listen to one Band day in and day out? NO.....because they are MUSIC FANS as well......Heck.....never mind the road warriors.....I'm an air warrior and will continue to be no matter how many times I have been flamed by klootzaks on this site who change their names and their genders at a whim..........

More importantly......When I saw the Sumlin/Johansen/Levon show in NYC......It was Sumlin who hpnotized me......I just wish I had said hellooooooo.....but he left very quickly.....As I said in my post about the show.......He connected with me in more than musical ways.......I could tell by the way he smiled.....He has a gentle heart......Some people could learn from him......I wish the show with Sumlin/Johansen/Levon was recorded......Oh....I forgot.....

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Harry & Mim

Subject: BWNWITennessee

BWNW etc.:

I'm sorry you had to live in SW PA... but that's no reason to take it out on an innocent, weak, limp-wristed pantywaist like me. By the way, I wouldn't take the time or the effort to send you an e-mail, cause you'd probably want to talk about Jesus or guns or both, none of which hold any interest for people who read this website to find out info on The Band and discuss their music made over the last 40 years...

Latest news from Butch is - Hubert Sumlin is being operated on TODAY for cancer - folks, for the guy who was praised to the skies for his extremely influential work with Howlin' Wolf by such rock guitar luminaries as Robbie Robertson, Jimi Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Keith Richards (to name a few), a coupla moments of good thoughts and wishes for a successful operation and remission of the disease are little to ask.

That is, if it doesn't take too much time out of "some folks" writing in Jans' "The Band Website" (Best of the Web - Music Category) Guestbook about subjects that, 90% of the time, have nothing to do with The Band, their music, their musical colleagues/influences/mentors/current activities (RIP Richard Manuel & Rick Danko), music AT ALL, or much of ANYTHING interesting.

You know who you are. Goodbye.

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SteveH

Subject: Wellstone

I work with 2 former Senate staffers and they both said Wellstone was the nicest, funniest Senator they knew. It's a sad day.

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John D

"Someone left the cake out in the rain......." Richard Harris died today at 72. A brilliant actor and in 1968 recorded Jimmy Webb's MacArthur Park at 7 min 20 some sec.

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John D

Until today I had no idea who the Senator from Minnesota was. After watching an hour of what this man stood for..I am truly saddened. Dave Z I understand; after hearing about this man who was not afraid to stand on his own and face his own afflictions of sickness.....what a great loss for your State it must be. To die with your wife and daughter....three aids and two pilots. So very sad!

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bob A

Subject: Rick Danko

I remember about a year or so before Rick died, I saw him play at Gilrein's, a great blues place in Worcester, Massachusetts. Gilrein's was kind of a dirty old hole in the wall, but they always have great food, great music and the right kind of people listening. Rick was by himself, and I forget which band was backing him up, but he played his ass off, drank quite a bit and gave an excellent show! After the show I went downstairs to get Rick's autograph. Downstairs was actually the cellar. It was like a dungeon, and I couldn't imagine how the hell they could feel human down there. But, in true fashion Rick was smiling ear-to-ear, gave me an autograph, talked a little, and that's the last time I saw him. I remember when I was talking with him it was flashing through my mind this man was leading a very hard, very fast life, and I was was wondering how long he could do it. He had a lot to offer, and it's too bad God couldn't have kept him around a while longer. BOB

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Guns for Drunks ?

I just can't resist passing on the story I just heard on CNN about a guy who was accidently shot with a 12 guage by his Dog. Apparently he left it laying around ready to fire and his puppy jumped on the shotgun and got him in the ankle.

Personally I like Roslyns scenario better but you got to admit.......

Against my better judgement I would just like to add that contrary to what Brian Sz, says, AA and it's 12 steps make no mention, intentionally or otherwise to the Devil or sin. AA is not allied to any sect, denomination (religious or otherwise) politic, organization or institution. It does not endorce or oppose any cause whatsoever. Please don't make claims that are not true. It tends to put people off who might need help.......

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Dave Z

Subject: Crying in MN

I am so sad today...

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BWNWITennessee

Harry - piss off, pantywaist. As a former resident of SW PA, I know that a disproportionate number of the population vacations in Stone Harbor, NJ, due to its being the closest beach town due east of Pittsburgh. If you want to insult me because I scared off your friend Butch, e-mail me at BWNWITenn at hotmail.com once you know what you're talking about. After all, I was right, wasn't I? Roz did know it.

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John W.

Subject: Not Politics

Sorry Bones, you're right. I promise in future to comment here only as relates to music. There are other Web site forums to get into all the other stuff. Let me just say I really miss The Band as we knew it and I hope everyone continues to share their stories, feelings and opinions about these great North American musical icons.

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Bones

Capitol is releasing a box set of tunes celebrating an anniversary of some sort. Tunes by Frank Sinatra as well as the Band will be on it.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Wellstone

Too bad what happened today up in MN. I may not have agreed with his positions, but he was a very ethical man of conviction and integrity. Eerily, I took off from Minneapolis airport (same one he did) this morning only two hours before he did. Visibility was pretty poor and the air choppy, so I imagine a small prop plane further north may have had some difficulty.

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Joe

Subject: The Weight

Peter: Always have thought that 'fixin' your rack' referred to a rack of antlers and that 'cannonball' was a train, not necessarily the Wabash.

First snow of the season driftin down outside my window. Alison Krauss up; DFA on deck.

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WS Walcott

Has anybody seen the Osbournes? What a bunch of crap. Everybody at work told me how good it was. When I hear that about something I usually end up not liking it. What's so good about this show? Is it just because he says f%*k? I always thought Black Sabbath sucked. So does Ozzie's solo stuff.

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John D

For those Toronto folks. It's now 100% official that the Checkmates gig is off for this Sunday night. Drag.

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John D

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John D

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bob wigo

Subject: The Lighter Side of the Gun Issue

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John D

Well let's hope the people of Maryland/Virgina/Washington sleep a little better tonight. A very, very frightening time. Thank God the two they caught were American. I doubt if there will be an an air attack of Tacoma or Baton Rouge tonight. I'm very upset with CNN who never seemed to check their sources over the last few days. Just to be first...they dropped the ball over and over. Whatever happened to responsible journalism? Not on cable, I guess. Anyway, a terrible time for those families with lives lost and those so frightened by what's happened. This world is just getting crazier......

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jerry

Sad news in this part of the country today, D.F.L. senater Paul Wellstone Mn. died this morning in a plane crash along with his wife and one of there children...

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Ilkka

Subject: Bruce Springsteen consert review

This is the address to the review I mentioned. Only in Swedish (but there is a pic from yesterday):

http://www.expressen.se/article.asp?id=127084

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Peter Viney

Little Birdies has been pretty heavily circulated on the Winterland cassette, hence there was less surprise than might be expected. I do wonder if a good quality recording exists.

The most interesting post of the week was Roz on the three positions the devil might walk in - interesting because it explains the belief, and I'm sure in writing "Carmen & The Devil walking side by side" Robbie would have been aware of the connotations she mentions. I didn't myself. This means it's high time to update "The Weight" article- I have 2 or 3 pages of accumulated comments to add anyway on fixing your rack, and cannonballs. Does anyone want to add any more?

On a related topic - well, Roz's post was running through my head as I was watching - Just back from seeing Sean Bean in "Macbeth"- sadly a cartoon like production with not one actor who could deliver Shakesperean lines clearly, least of all Mr Bean . Nice set design though.

Ben- I'm not sure I get this. You're saying you'd vote for Colin Powell over Harry Belafonte in a straight race? That's a surprise, but if he's your choice, fair enough. Must be my arrogance blinding me. The PBOBTH party recommends Jeremy Paxman's new book on his many years of interviewing politicians of all types and shades of opinion. His conclusions seem much the same as mine- sadly, they're all arseholes. They're all cut from the same cloth.

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Ilkka

Subject: Bruce Springsteen in Stockholm yesterday

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN played in the crowded Stockholm Globen Arena yesterday. Unfortunately I was not able to be there. The concert review in the leading Swedish evening paper didn't praise him. It said that "he was like the boring guy in the roller-coaster who always pulls the brakes when the funniest part begins".

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carmen

I aleays thought that the opening line in Twilight refered to the BANDS Days at the Jersey Shore.

"Over by the Wildwood - we lay in the tall grass - til the mornin' light"

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John W.

Ben Pike - So if no minorities can get anywhere it's the fault of whites. But when they are successful, that's just the few tokens being allowed to move up and make the whites feel and look better? So either way, you criticize the whites. Sounds like they lose no matter what they do.

Tennessee - So the deficit is higher, you say "thanks George Bush?" How about thanking Osama Bin Ladin, Wall Street, and the Democrats who help prevent larger tax cuts that would pump more capital into the economy?

Now that the alleged sniper turns out to be a convert to Islam, already we are hearing the same litany of "Remember, close-minded Americans, don't blame an entire religion for the actions of the one man." Sheesh. How about expressing some sympathy for the victims, or examining what it is about your mindset that might help produce these maniacs, before you start getting defensive about close-minded Americans racially profiling you.

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Richard

Subject: You must know...

Hey John, it ain't just Americans. I get the same thing in China. "You must know my cousin Zhang in Tononto" : ). Gotta love it.

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Fred

John D: as a fellow Canadian I know that feeling after being asked "Do you know Joe/Jane from INSERT CANADIAN CITY?" by one of our cousins from south of the border. Sometimes I used to answer "Yeah I do and that SOB owes me $20!" (but only if I was in a bad mood) Sometimes I'd turn the tables and ask them where they were from and then: "Oh do you know Penny from North Dakota?"

Once in a while I still get asked THAT question by Americans here in Japan.I know we (as Canadians) come from a huge country with a small population but it's not that small!!

Now back to the raging debate about religious gun ownership, or is it owning guns religiously or is it the separation between gun ownership and religion???? I'm confused.

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John D

Love Harry & Mim's Post. As a Canadian I love it when I meet one of my new American friends and they say. "Oh you're from Canada?" "Yes, I live in Toronto." "Oh, you must know my friend Bob in Vancouver?"

Yeh sure. I know a Bob 2,800 miles away (sigh). Yeh for sure. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that one.

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Harry & Mim

Subject: "Avalon (Cooler by a Mile") & Wildwood, NJ

Friends: To the poster who wrote "surely you must know Avalon, Stone Harbor, Etc., because you live in WESTERN PA... Western, PA, as we know it, eg: Pittsburgh & areas North and South of it, are on the "left side" of the state. This means folks in WESTERN PA are about, oh, 350 MILES from the New Jersey Shore. I doubt most of 'em know about Avalon, Wildwood, and other Shore spots (with the possible exception of "The Las Vegas of the East" - Atlantic City, NJ.

Being 350 miles from Avalon, using the "WESTERN PA" logic, you could expect a Western PA person to know about, let's say, Vergennes VT (about the same 350 miles distant). ON THE OTHER HAND, an EASTERN PA resident would have a MUCH BETTER CHANCE to be familiar with spots "down the Shore", as Philadelphia area folks refer to those seaside summer destinations.

Band relevance - Levon & the Hawks playing engagements at Tony Mart's (Somers Point, NJ, in the same general area as Wildwood, et al) in the mid-1960's - a very popular teen and college kid hangout then, where LH was called by Mr. Bob Dylan regarding the possibilities of joining up with him for a concert at the Hollywood Bowl. Tony Mart's "Meant something" to Levon, as he noted in his autobiography: "Do you remember when we left Tony Mart's? People had hugged and kissed us and were crying to see us go." (Note: LH and the Hawks had been in residence for several months at this point)"My own eyes got a little moist there."

That's how much people in EASTERN PA love music.

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Jenny T

One of the coolest things about the Amish is that they refuse to consider themselves saved. Because thinking of yourself as saved is wholly incompatible with Christian humility. Not that they are perfect, but IMHO the Amish do a better job of living Christ's teachings on material simplicity and humility than most sects. A lot of the Christians I know are lawn-worshipping idolaters.

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Jenny T

Drugs, alcohol, guns and religion...don't get me started. A very funny (I think) bumper sticker says "Adamant Agnostic: I don't know and neither do you." For me it's what you DO that matters, not what dogma you believe or rituals you practice. And in a way that was Jesus' message--don't be so worried about whether you perform a hand-washing ritual or whether someone's faith and practice are the same as yours--just help people, just serve society. As Huston Smith said, "He went about doing good." And it appears to me that the more people focus on dogma and/or ritual, the less they live the values of their purported spiritual heroes, becoming total hypocrites. And if there's one thing Jesus couldn't stand, it was hypocrisy. At least as far as we can infer from the texts.

There is nothing worse than the I'm saved and you're not so nyah nyah nyah Christianity I see all around me. I think it would make Jesus puke his guts out.

BWNWIT's idea is interesting. If only someone here had won the bronze guitar that was a contest prize in the TLW release hoopla, though that would be too expensive to mail around. I do often wish I could put a face with a personality, but then it is kind of interesting to get to know people without the distraction of appearance. Maybe you know the real person better--someone once said you never know a woman until you have had a letter from her--each post is kind of like a little letter. I know quite a few of you have met before though.

Did anyone see the movie where someone kidnaps someone's beloved garden gnome and takes pictures of it all over the place and mails them to the owner? I forget what it was but I saw it pretty recently. Amelie maybe?

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bob wigo

Wouldn't we all enjoy hearing from Mr. Heston right about now? Please do explain the the benefits of the "Bushmaster" Chuck. And why not revisit that all plastic handgun your group has endorsed.

Thanks BWNWIT for the reminder.

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Gene

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Gene

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roslyn

Subject: Gun Control

Tennessee _ I'll be danged! Last summer I was called by a friend to make a little trip to North Wildwood NJ. I had a couple of friends that were finally getting married after about 15 years of living together. I spent a few days lovin' on a big ol' boy I met at the wedding. He said he saw me "Standing up front in my Iris-Blue dress, Iris's in my dark flowing hair, and just had to have me." We split the wedding scene, took off to the Blackjack table and won 850 bucks. Spent three days in the Cameo Rose Bed and Breakfast. So I know exactly the place you're referring to.

Okay that other thing... Let's say Tennessee got real drunk. Late one night he makes a wrong turn and mistakingly walks thru Rosalind's front door. Rosalind watches him closely. He is obviously drunk and keeps mumbling around about losing his house-keys. Rosalind's trusty snub nose 38 is in the end-table. She reaches for the drawer. Tennessee doesn't notice. He turns to see this strikingly beautiful woman sitting on a couch with an in-control, determined, deliberate look on her face..... And A Gun In Her Hand. Now if Tennessee suddenly gets a petrified blank stare on his face and becomes bewildered and tongue-tied.. Rosalind eases up and relaxes the finger which is on the trigger. Both become more comfortable and share a bit of an uneasy greeting. Rosalind points to the front door, Tennessee leaves with an apology. No gun shots ring out tonite. BUT if Tennessee rattles and prys open Rosalind's door or forces open her window in the middle of the night, turns to see her sitting on the couch with that same in-control, determined deliberate look on her face......With A Gun In Her Hand, and makes no attempt to flee but looks at her in a way they both understand and says: "I'm going to _ _ _ _ you whether you want me to or not and I have a few little aids here to help me get the job done in mininum time with limited struggle out of you." Rosalind will take controlled determined, deliberate aim and blow his brains out without hesitation.

Sorry about the brutal honesty of this post. Just a scenario. Hope it's not too mean.

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Quinn the Eskimo

Subject: A work in progress

It doesn't make sense yet, but maybe someone can lend some help

Chorus:

Little birds are singing all around me,

On every bush and pine.

My pleasure would be double,

If I could call you mine.

What a cat hot sing but very short tonic,

My baby’s life did change.

She would fear in a hurt her

I hurt my little machine

Chorus

He woke to her and a damsel

And he sent in my first tea.

I watched him love your dearly,

I watched both you and he.

But since that time my mind is changed,

I loved another way.

I lost a pretty damsel,

For soon a ball for pay.

Chorus

What a cat hot sing but very short tonic,

My baby’s life did change.

She would fear in a hurt her

I hurt my little machine

Chorus

He woke to her and a damsel

And he sent in my first tea.

I watched him love your dearly,

I watched both you and he.

But since that time my mind is changed,

I loved another way.

I lost a pretty damsel,

For soon a ball for pay.

Chorus

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Mullah Omar

At present, an African-American Muslim and his socalled young accomplice are in police custody and will soon be falsely accused of 10 sniper murders while the real perpetrators of these crimes, a string of covert CIA operatives, gloat amidst their apparent success in creating a national anti-Islam climate which will serve to favor the threatened Bush Administration led War on Iraq.

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BWNWITennessee

Another sign of the decline of western civilization and our entering a cultural dark ages, the CNN website had a story about a black hole "eating" a star. "Eating"? Come on. How are young people supposed to become intelligent when everything gets more and more dumbed-down?

I guess you've all heard about the U.S.'s budget going from a $127 Million surplus to a $159 Million deficit in one year. Thank you, President Bush. This news was originally scheduled to be released on Friday, but the White House took advantage of a busy news day and released it a day earlier than they had said they would, so that it would be somewhat overlooked. Lovely!

Roz, I know people who were staying at a beach house a few years ago, in one of those typical beach towns where the streets are laid out like a grid, every one looks the same, and every house looks similar. (Avalon, NJ. I know you know it, because you're from Western PA and Avalon is just up from Stone Harbor, vacationland of the yinzers.) This is a true story. Actually, I sort of know both parties, strangely enough. One Saturday night at about 2:00 A.M., they were watching TV, their front door opens, a strange man walks in, doesn't say anything, lies down on their couch and falls asleep. They couldn't even wake him up. Well, it turns out that he was drunk, obviously, and had stayed in that house the summer before. While staggering home, he ended up going to the wrong place. Now, if the people were asleep and he walked in, or climbed in a window if the door was locked, well, I guess if it was your house he wouldn't be around to talk about it.

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roslyn

Where do I start...

Brien - Why would you criticize someone for saying you're more fortunate than they are? I grew up in the Holiness church. I am only speaking that which I have seen and heard. I know you are doing the same. We have had different experiences in such matters. No harm in that. I didn't say Hank was right and you were wrong. I said you were both wrong. And I'm wrong too, but in a different way. Okie Doke?

The scenario of a stranger rattling your door or prying open a window and entering a woman's bedroom wearing gloves, ski-cap and carrying duct-tape and a rope. A Boyfriend? Yeah.....

Certain life experiences will teach you that it's safer to have a weapon in your purse or nightstand than to have to rely on such things as TV remotes, shoes, perfume bottles or maybe if you escape as far as the bathroom or kitchen, a toilet plunger, a mop handle or a roll of salami.

I think rob nickel might have an idea what I'm talking about. I'm with him on hoping and praying that no one here ever finds themselves defenseless, unarmed and in the face of a clear and present danger.

Jerry - Sorry to take your time up to try and use an e-mail address that didn't work for you. I don't know what the problem could be since it's worked for others here. Sorry. WebTV's are unreliable at times I guess.

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ajr

Just skimming the ol’ GB on a Friday afternoon. I think the hell hound Robert Johnson’s sings about is Winston Churchill’s black dog. Ie. depression. In other words a metaphor. The problem of running away is that where ever you go, there you are...got to keep movin’ baby.

Regards

PS. I'm really liking Steve Earles most recent.

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Pat Brennan

There's been some very interesting discussions of Little Birdies here a few years ago, which may or may not explain the lack of reaction to its recent posting on the site. Although I emailed Jan about this, I believe its from the Band's second or third show as the source tape has an onstage reference (probably RR, but its hard to tell) identifying it as such. I'll try to find it and ID with a touch more precision.

Statistics can be interesting. Over 50,000 people die each year in America from car accidents; that's about 140 a day. About 1000 people die each year in Chicago from gun violence. And, if I recall correctly, some 10,000 people die each year of a heroin overdose, a little less than 30 a day. As people use more contraception, the number of abortions have decreased dramatically. And, finally, over the last ten years, swimming pools have proven dangerous to children than guns.

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Ben Pike

Peter V, it is of course arrogant Whites like yourself who cannot let go of the past. The White power structure pays off a few high profile blacks to sell out, to insulate themselves from critics while embracing policys that screw minorities. Thus Marshall is out, Thomas is in, and Whites feel great the uppity have been kept in their place. How clever, gosh, how very difacult to see through. If you are some hayseed who believes in speaking in tounges, you buy it. You have no such excuse and should be ashamed of yourself.

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BWNWITennessee

Just think about how during all that time we were arguing about whose religious belief is the correct one, how much we could have done instead to make the world a better place.

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Diamond Lil

Otoole: I too was a bit surprised that noone really commented on something that, although old.. is new to many of us. I had never head the tune before.. and although the sound quality could've been better.. it was exciting for me to hear it just the same. After all the stuff that gets hashed and re-hashed in here all the time, I thought it was refreshing to actually have something "new" to be excited about.

Roslyn: As a single mom of an 18 year old, 12 year old, and 11 year old.. I just want to say that I would _never_ even consider the idea of ever having a gun in the house for any reason. My brother-in-law, who is a detective, never even brings a gun into my house. That's my choice.

Have a good night everyone.

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Back with no wife in Tennessee

And Roz, how would you feel after you just blew off your drunk boyfriend's head, which is the statistically most likely outcome of your scenario? I saw some TV talk show a few years ago, before all TV talks shows went to complete crap, featuring people who accidentally killed people. There was this fat little 12-year-old boy who killed his best friend, who was playing with his dad's gun. Apparently the boy was well-instructed by his conscientious (never could spell that) father in gun safety, and didn't want his friend playing with the gun. So he tried to take it away from him, and it went off and shot his friend in the chest. But he was this little kid, and he just broke down on the show, he was crying and couldn't even talk. It was so sad. And very likely it's going to affect him for the rest of his life, and quite possibly could end up as some type of an addict, or take his own life as a result of this. But the show was about a national support group for people who have accidently killed others, so apparently there's a lot of 'em. Maybe every potential gun owner should be required to sit in at one of these meetings before considering their purchase.

Finally, on today of all days, please explain how the easy availability of the rather ironically named Bushmaster assault rifle has made this country a better place.

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BANDFAN

I WAS JUST WATCHING A SPECIAL ABOUT THE UNPLUGGED SERIES ON MTV. HOW GREAT WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN. KEVIN

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brown eyed girl

It seems that Cooleridge also loved to taste opium.....an albatross.....like fire water in excess......

The Rastas tell me that ganja is brain food......and of course.....elevate's one's meditation level.....;-D

Dylan on Drugs: "I wouldn't advise anybody to use drugs - certainly not the hard drugs; drugs are medicine. But opium and hash and pot - now, those things aren't drugs; they just bend your mind a little. I think everybody's mind should be bent once in a while." (Los Angeles, 1966)......

Dylan: "Drugs were never that big a thing with me. I could take them or leave them. Never hung me up." (New York, 1985).....

Cocker's "Out Of The Blue" is simply beau....ti.....ful......vulnerability exposed.....and Robbie's instrumental of "Out Of The Blue".....It's all in the guitar licks....eloquence and all heart.....Btw....I just received the Robbie and Sebastian Robertson promo postcard.....My Ma.....will have to get her own now......But Crabgrass.....Could you erase the Company logo for me?.....Hey....I also noticed Jakob Dylan is now advertising for Gap...........

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lifeboy

I drink because this guestbook has driven me to it.

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Otoole

Have you all heard Little Birds before or something? Cause I'm trying to figure out how the worlds most dedicated Band fans get through the day with only one post (thank you Dimond Lil) mentioning the "new" song we just got access to! Not that repeating the same political debate over and over again doesn't seem like real fun - but come on folks! The song sounds amazing. Download it. Discuss it.

I already figured out some simple guitar chords for the song - anyone got anything on the words? Anyone have any backround on the song? I think it's beautiful! And I think it strengthens my feelings that The Band were an even stronger presence in the development of "country-rock" than many "rock historians" give them credit for (...stupid Gram Parsons). What do you all think?

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John W.

"The Truth" is that which can be scientifically proven. Everything else is a matter of "faith".

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Brien Sz

Subject: Old Time Religion

Roz – My faith is mine as yours is yours. To assume in a couple hundred words that I am ignorant of “the truth” takes a great leap of faith and a whole bunch of arrogance. To assume you know exactly what the key to understanding God’s way is, is really quite a pat on your own back. To think in a few words that you know Hank knows “the truth” is also a great leap. I think it’s more of the case that my line of thinking on a particular matter didn’t line up with your “ducks in a row” so I must be ignorant, where Hanks few words were how your ducks were basically lined up, so he must know “the truth.”

I have met many fundamentalists in my day (my spiritual journey is another matter altogether, my faith ever growing) only one can I say I admire, the rest use arrogant rhetoric such as yours, making it hard for me to take matters very seriously. I’m going to assume you’re a Christian of one form or another by the use of your language. One of the cornerstones of Christ’s teachings is the act of being humble ( Forgive me if you know this already). To come out and call me ignorant is a far cry from being humble for someone who professes to know “the truth”. Maybe you do to a degree but your words don’t reveal it. Besides, who is to say what the truth is? Maybe Crabgrasses Humanism is the truth – Maybe Buddha is the truth, Maybe Mohammed is the truth. Personally I can only go from what I’ve learned, read, seen, done, prayed, etc.., and it seems to me, that a life practicing or imitating any of these teachers would be a very spiritual and fulfilling life.

If you want to quote John 14:6-7 and say (like most fundamentalists do) “I am the way, the truth and the life….,” Go right ahead, but understand that John was written well over a hundred years after Christ as the early Christian church was gaining ground but still battling Judaism and paganism for members. The church needed a pay off that couldn’t be found as concrete in the earlier books. If you notice, John is a much more poetic book. It also quotes Jesus saying an awful lot “I” and “me” things which actually flies in the face with how Jesus acted and taught in the earlier gospels. And…, well anyway, forgive me for my wordiness on this matter. I believe I made my general point earlier on.

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Max Kopassiddy

I drink... only to make the arguments in the Guestbook more interesting.

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David Powell

Subject: Out of the Blue

For a killer guitar instrumental of "Out of the Blue" check out the version Robbie Robertson contributed on the "Any Given Sunday Vol. II" soundtrack CD.

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Toronto Craig

Subject: Attention Toronto R&B Lovers......

Unfortunately the gig on Sunday with Jon Finley and the Checkmates @ Touchdowns in Clarkson (Mississauga) has been cancelled as the club is closing. Rats! I had a 2 vehicle convoy coming in from out of town to see Johnny & the Boyz.

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Bones

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jerry

Shit, ya better not wear a ski cap around Roz, Im guessing the the duct tape and rope would be o.k. though...

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roslyn

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John W.

There are a lot more drunks, than there are people who think they're drunks.

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Pat Brennan

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Robert Johnson's Halo

Oh Deary,Deary me...oh to be enlightened and freed from the chains of ignorance...........

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John W.

Pat - You are getting almost as smug as me lately! But if alcohol is legal, why not reefer? It's probably caused less damage overall than booze.

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Roger Woods

Jagged Edge. Yes!

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Pat Brennan

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roslyn

Brien - The last portion of the post before my last post was meant for folks like you. As I said, the ones ignorant of the truth and fall are much much more fortunate than the ones who have been blessed with knowledge and fall anyway. I know no one knows what I'm talking about. Nevermind. P.S. that thar college book learnin' don't count as real knowledge. It only serves to draw you away from the truth. "the Kindom of God comes not with observation"

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John W.

Who knows who's right and what's not with some of these things. I have sympathy with the idea that if we disarm all the law-abiding citizens, then only the criminals will have guns. At the same time, it seems well-intentioned people keeping guns as protection against intruders, frequently shoot some kid by mistake when they're cleaning their gun, or some kid finds it and shoots someone else. I don't want to carry one, and I recall paying a social visit to a relative once -- he's a police officer, and he took out his new .44 magnum to show it off to his brothers, this was in front of my daughter and some other little kids, I was repulsed he would do this. I hate guns but still I have my interpretation of that little 2nd amendment.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, I remember some very smart analysis said that, even though the U.S. would now be the "world's only superpower", in fact we were heading into a more dangerous world than we had before because the old Cold War balance of power no longer existed. With an open society, we would be open to attacks from secretive terrorist organizations, crackpot dictators, and with the technology available to create briefcase sized Nukes available on the Internet, any ideologically motivated maniac with a grudge could cause us big problems. Unfortunately this lack of balance does indeed seem to have created a more dangerous world. Last year it was Al Quaeda, but next year it could be the Timorians, or the Moluccans, or the Palestinians, or whoever the heck thinks they have a grudge against us. We were probably safer during the Cold War!

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Brien Sz

Subject: Satan

Satan.., The great disinformation put together by the early church is that Satan was/is a real being. A total opposite of what God supposedly professes to want for mankind. Literalists, Fundamentalists, 12 Steppers (based on a fundamentalist approach) maintain the devil is real, its own being. It says so in the New Testament, so it has to be, just like the virgin birth but the Greek translation of the word used as virgin actually means young woman – Virgin fit better in the story telling and the prophecy that needed to be fulfilled.

Anyway, the devil is rarely mentioned in the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible. When it is as in Numbers and Job, Satan is not necessarily evil but serves as one of God’s obedient servants and acts as the one who God commands to obstruct human activity. This role, as 6th century writers used it, helped Hebrew storytellers in accounting for reversals of fortune in stories.

Beelzebub, who we associate with the Devil, evolved from an early High God of the Canaanites known as Baal, Yahweh/God did battle with Baal and by Jewish accounts God won and sent Baal below. Beelzebub evolved from this as a God from below, from the realm of death and sterility.

In the time of shortly before, then during Jesus and after, the term Satan is used by more radical groups(Essenes) to refer to the Jewish power groups and Romans. The early Christian Church then adapted the term. Satan then takes on another form and becomes a more evil figure. The early Christians in their defense of the character (it’s beginning to take its own shape) look to Isaiah (also where the prophecy of the savior comes from) to explain the devils origin, see Isaiah 14:12-15, in translation “luminous fallen star” in Latin meant Lucifer. How do ya like that one.

Again, the early church transformed the Devil into its own being. The version in Mark (believed to be the first gospel written and also of note no virgin birth or physical resurrection) was intended to refer to the enemies of the early Jesus movement; a metaphor. What has happened over time is the Church manipulated Satan into this being of evil, that if you did not believe in the church and all it stands for then you would be cast into the fiery pit for eternal damnation. The metaphor became literal.

Anyway, I could go on and on, I love this stuff. I’ve left holes open I’m sure but it’s very hard to summarize an in depth topic such as this.

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Pat Brennan

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roslyn

Hank - The very last portion of the post you responded to was meant for folks like you, of which there are many. As I said, the ones ignorant of the truth and fall are much much more fortunate than the ones who have been blessed with knowledge and fall anyway. I know nobody understands what I'm talking about. Nevermind

Guns - Well, Lets say you are a woman alone. Late one night you hear a rattle at your door or the sound of a window being pryed open. If you have a gun and KNOW HOW TO USE IT WELL. You keep it locked in your nightstand. You hear footsteps up the staircase. they get closer. You have your trusty piece under the covers because you are too petrified to move. He knows you live alone. He knows you are not entertaining a man that evening. He's been watching you. He steps inside your bedroom door. He locks the door behind him. He has his gloves, his ski cap, his ropes and his duct tape. Both of you know what he has on his mind. He smiles .... You pull out your hand-gun and you blow his head off.

The End of Violence

Every woman in the world should take at least 6 months of self-defense training, Buy herself a gun that fits well into her tiny hand. Learn to use the damned thing till it feels like an extention of her own body. And protect herself and her loved ones.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Staples/The Weight

Hank, I've always felt that Mavis' 'Beauuuutifulll' at the end of TLW's The Weight is one of the great moments in that version. When my wife and I got married 2 years ago, we used that version as the very first song played at our reception,m and the first song on our wedding cd compilation we burned and gave each guest. I always wished that word was just slightly more prominent, as it's easy to miss by the casual listener when the volume is turned down. In terms of guns, my boss and I were discussing this at dinner last night. We are both non-gun owners but were discussing how we probably are safer by living in an area of high gun owenership as potential criminals don't know if we own/carry one or not, and therefore benfit from others owning them Yet, we both feel that to own one ourselves would put us at greater risk as it would create a sense of false security as well as the fact that (and I don't know the exact percentage), but many homeowners have their guns used against them by intruders/domestic arguments etc.,so why contribute to that risk. If I had a gun in my home, I would be very conscious of its presence, and would be very uncomfortable with it.

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Hank

Subject: Friends....sticking around...........

Interesting rap about the 2nd verse of "The Weight"....

I know musicians/friends who actually are OFFENDED by Mavis Staples horny little growl at the end of her verse during TLW.....also by the way she cries "Beautiful" at the conclusion of that particular performance.......

I wouldn't be surprised if there are folks here on the GB who feel the same (Did I read here recently that there are folks here who prefer the recently released concert version as opposed to the version w/ The Staples?)

(Yes, I think I DID......)

Personally, I have no problem w/ any of it.....

In fact, I find that horny little growl she does kinda funky........

AND informative in an interpretive way.......

She's letting you know what she thinks of the devil walking side by side with Carmen........

Thanks, Mavis......

You really can't ask for much more from the performance of a verse of a song......

The SINGER, not the song..........

And, yes, Roz, Satan is indeed the father and mother of all lies.....(Why the gender-discrimination? I mean, it's becoming perfectly obvious these days that God is a man and a woman giving life to all creation).......but deals with Satan are done in the MINDS of men and women.......usually when they shirk the responsibility of parenthood and looking after their families and loved ones....in THAT way you CREATE Hell all around you..........but, then again, if you REALLY believe in Christ and His Mother or Allah or Buddha or Krishna you must believe that no-one is beyond redemption..........and what's that Dylan said at The Grammies one year....."you can become SO defiled in this world that only God will believe in your abilty to mend your ways".....or something like that......SAVED!........there's redemption EVERYWHERE if you really want it.......)

You must not think that Robert Johnson choked to death because of his so-called deal w/ Satan......he drank poison-whiskey.....that'll make ANYONE choke and bark like a dog.......REGULAR whiskey does that anyway...........

No, no.....take a CHARITABLE view of Robert Johnson......he came from a tragic, broken family background.......his mother had an affair, gave birth to him, was banished from her family...and all the mess involved therein........and, apparently, Robert Johnson married young..... only to live thru his young wife and children being burned to death when their cabin/shack caught fire......it would seem to ANYONE in those circumstances that there was a hell-hound on their trail....y'know?......and all this happened BEFORE he got any good as a guitarist/writer/recording artist/performer...........

There's no reason to believe that Robert Johnson is damned by ANYONES concept of God.....

In fact, why not reckon that God would be very HAPPY with a creation of a fella like Robert Johnson?....look at all the beauty he left behind........how he worked for and used his talents to sing, play, write and record despite having all his troubles.........If there IS an afterlife and Robert Johnson can hear Cream or The Stones do his songs and turn millions onto them.....well, that's sorta Heavenly, eh?

What The HELL am I talking about?.........

Hey, I really surprised no one round here has heard of "The Trailer Park Troubadours"....Anyone?.......

I mean, they seem to have a bit of a following Stateside.........

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Diamond Lil

Woke up to 'Little Birds' this morning (yesterday's "what's new?") and was so happy to finally hear it! Thanks Luke W for sharing it with us.. and thanks Jan for putting it on the site. Now..if only there was a copy somewhere with better sound quality....

Guns? Hmm.. I'd have alot to say on that subject... but I don't want to get shot at...

,,,,,,,Butch,,,,,,I miss you,,,,,,, :-) Hug.

Have a good day everyone. Hug to my dear Jan too :-)

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ebesonintertogo@mail.com

Subject: this is very nice site I have ever seen,so keep it up.

we are interested in buying statinerys from interested exporters around the globe.e-mail ebesonintertogo@mail.com

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Crabgrass

Subject: Guns

Amen!! NYC would be a lot safer without the Sullivan Law.

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Jens Magnus

Subject: more guns?

I see this in a quite naive way: Guns kill people; more guns= more killing!

More people in the US get shot than in Europe. You can tell by their number of guns.

Look out Cleveland!

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rob nickel

Subject: saddam and the bomb

Along the same line of thinking as the guy that posted he didn't believe Iraq has the bomb because you don't go to war with someone equally capable of damaging you are the gun control laws in north america today. It only stands to reason thast criminals don't target houses they know will probably house guns. They could get their asses shot off and they don't care for a fair fight. Their criminals remember, never famous for strong moral charactor or bravery, to say the least. An armed population is a safe population and there's no logical reason for responsable adult north americans not to own guns,if they so choose? No chickenshit burgler home invader or drive by shooting artist is gonna think one second to register his piece before using it besides? Disarming the average joe is as dangerous a thing government has done over the last fifty years or so and I can only hope and pray none of you out there pays for it,any time soon?

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Appreciation

Crabgrass: Only you would notice that I have a brown crooked eye......;-D.....Ok.....Garland Jeffreys too......Say hellooooo to Bronx Gal for me.....Notice that she didn't give you a special Stones Remastered CD from her work place......ABKCO....BTW.....Sorry, you have to be a Garland fan!........

Bobby Wiseman formerly from Blue Rodeo sat in with Garland on Sunday night and sat with us when he wasn't on stage......Garland wowed the crowd with Dylan's "When I Paint My Masterpiece".....and his own catalogue of music from many genres of music........One of Wittgy's fave......"Why-O" is one of my faves......He didn't play this one but I'll suggest it next time.........His voice and words....So many people don't know how great he really is........Louuuu always did.......He's one of the few artists left.......who really knows how to treat his fans.......with mutual appreciation.......

Alan Freedman Garland's longtime guitarist and collaborator asked about Michael Fonfara.....What a small world......He was playing the very same night at the gospel gig which I also wished I was able to attend since the incomparable Richard Bell was creating magic......as he always does......I hope Bill Munson and John Donabie were able to finally......exorcise their demons that night......and testified with abandonment....;-D...Oh yeah.....gospel music.......music to experience total abandonment....if you're willin'......to let go......

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lifeboy

Subject: yikes!

Leave it out Roz, you're scaring the shit out of me!!

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Otoole

I just wanted to thank Luke W. for sending Jan that copy of Little Birds! I've wanted to hear this song for so long and despite the poor quality I'm sitting here smiling like crazy. If anyone knows the words or cares to take a guess at them (which'd probably be good for a laugh) I'd love to hear either. While I'm at it I'd also like to thank Mr. Hoiberg for maintaining such an amazing site and posting the song.

I'll be heading up to the Barnburners show in Lake Worth next month. Anyone else going?

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BWNWITennessee

I was thinking again today (never a good thing) about some place where I used to work that had this little mascot that people would take with them on vacation and take a picture of it. They had a bulletin board with this little doll on Rodeo Drive, the Eiffel Tower, in Bermuda, Times Square. We need to get a Guestbook mascot that we can mail around from poster to poster, and each of us can take a picture of it in front of something representative of their home - Big Ben, Brooklyn Bridge, White House Grand Ole Opry, Yonge Street. Then we could send a picture to Jan, to post on the Guestbook Friends page. That way, we could see what each other look like, and show just how many people from all over the world are brought together by the music of The Band. Okay, so it's corny, sue me. Bastards. But we need something that's small enough to mail easily, but durable enough to survive several years of travel, and representative of The Band. Like a little ceramic pink house or something.

So who's planning on buying the Last Waltz vinyl? I'm not sure yet, $60 is a lot of money, but it would be cool to have something Robbie signed. If it was really his. But I guess forty years from now, when I'm a multibillionaire, the $60 won't mean much, but the souvenir would still be nice. Those who need to express self-righteous indignation or reiterate that they once knew a member of the band need not respond.

Did anyone catch as the opening to one of the playoff games last week, they played the GD's "U.S. Blues," but that after the lines, "I'm still alive/Ain't no luck," they edited out the line, "I learned to duck"!? And on Letterman the other week, there was a Nobel Prize winner who did a "Top ten ways my life has improved since winning the Nobel Prize." One of them was, "I get more tail than Frank Sinatra." Is there a Band fan on the writing staff, or is this a common expression? (BTW, I'm still waiting on the Nobel Sarcasm Prize.)

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roslyn

Well, Some folks are finally at least half right about this subject around here. Altho I would never put religion and the name of God in the same breath. Religion is an inherited affliction. God is a lifestyle.

The words that Robert Johnson wrote convinced me a long time ago that this man had actually seen the other side, had actually witnessed those spooks around his bed. Literally. Whe he sang "Me and the devil walkin' side by side" I understood what he meant. The Savior when he was tempted in the desert said "satan get behind me" When satan is behind you, you control him. Whe satan is in front of you, he is on the move, taking the control from you. But maybe only Temporarily. When someone is said to walk "side by side with the devil" it means that that the human being accepts, understands and agrees with the rules. He and the evil one have agreed to become one. "Devil walkin' up right like a man" indeed. But...satan is the father of lies. The game is fixed. It's more than obvious to me that Robert, while in such pain, crawling around on the floor barking like a dog realized that he had been duped into hating God and all his cursings had come up before him and he was repentant. But would God accept him back after choosing to walk side by side with the devil and cursing his Savior. I don't know.

It's better for us if we know nothing and reject. It is very very dangerous to be given the gift of knowledge and still reject. If anything would make you howl lke a dog as you're giving up the ghost.......That Would.

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Peter Viney

From the Utah Phillips webpage (I knew I'd get an Ani DiFranco connection in this week)

UTAH PHILLIPS: "In the 1880's the Wabash Cannonball was a mythological train made up by some bum somewhere, the train any old hobo would ride on the way to his reward, wherever that might be. There never was a train called the Wabash Cannonball that went from the great Atlantic Ocean to the wide Pacific shore. And there never was a train where a bum could get breakfast on the club car. As the song got more popular, the Wabash system in the Midwest thought it was the smart thing to do to name its express run the Wabash Cannonball. It ran between Detroit and St. Louis until about three years ago. Norfolk & Western bought the Wabash system about six years ago and ran it right into the ground. I rode the Wabash under Norfolk & Western. Those old Wabash conductors had nothing good to say about Norfolk & Western. They hated what was happening to their railroad; and of course Amtrak came along and took the Cannonball off entirely."

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David Powell

Subject: The Wabash Cannonball

Peter: I believe the "The Wabash Cannonball" is actually one of those songs in public domain that has been passed down & adapted by various artists over the years. A.P. Carter is sometimes credited due to his arrangement for the Carter Family. Roy Acuff added some additional lyrics for his 1938 version.

I think Theodore Dreiser is mistakenly credited due to the fact that his older brother, Paul Dresser (ne John Paul Dreiser, Jr.), wrote the song "On The Banks Of The Wabash". Mr. Dresser was a songwriter of some note who also wrote "Back Home In Indiana".

Any time I hear "The Wabash Cannonball" I fondly recall the late, great Dizzy Dean. Mr. Dean was a lengendary baseball pitcher who became the prototype for "color" announcers in sports radio & television. Along with Pee Wee Reese, he did the Saturday game of week for many years on television. Dizzy became known for his Southern drawl, colorful expressions & incorrect grammar. When he was feeling particularly good on the air or during a dull game, he would often break into singing "The Wabash Cannonball".

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bob wigo

The link above will take you to a nice article on Steve Forbert and his new album, a tribute to the great Jimmie Rodgers.

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Bill

Well said, Bob W.

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bob wigo

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Peter Viney

While we’re on ‘The Weight’ - I’ve been corresponding with an old friend who saw my article on “The Weight” on this site, and he felt that the “Cannonball” was post Civil-War rather than 1930s. Anyway, I mentioned “The Wabash Cannonball”- did anyone else know that this song was written by the novelist Theodore Dreiser? See http://www.kididdles.com/mouseum/w001.html.

Anyway, it seems the song predates the train, which was mamed for the song, not vice versa. There is a line about ‘travelin’ through the jungles’ in the song , meaning “hobo jungles” … which links us directly back to “Hobo Jungle” by The Band.

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Bones

There is going to be a DVD-Audio release of Music From Big Pink somehwere around January of 2003. I must start updating my sound system.

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Pat Brennan

Religion is a lifestyle choice.

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Project: Data Control

Great site!

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David Powell

Subject: life's complications

"Musicians and night-club proprietors live complicated lives; it's advisable to call ahead to confirm engagements."
--disclaimer inserted before the club listings in the "Goings On About Town" section of The New Yorker magazine

Indeed, it can be said that we ALL live complicated lives. Musicians, however, like other artists, can put these complications in a certain perspective through their art. They can sometimes ease the complications of life by helping others understand or perhaps forget, if only momentarily, the intricate web of difficulties that we all face every day.

Music, like other forms of art, can portray, as well as convey, a level of emotion. At its apex, certain emotions are felt by the listener. Music is a universal language that can cut through the different complications woven around all of us and yet register a common emotional response.

As we call ahead today to confirm engagements, all around the world, chaotic and tragic events swirl around the vortex of our lives. Like all of us, I seek respite, however so brief. As I muddle through the day, I try to find some time to listen -- to learn -- or perhaps just forget -- something inside the tunes.

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Harry & Mim

Subject: The Band & The Cate Brothers

Friends:

Our sincere apologies for the incorrect information on my "paraphrasing" of Mr. Butchs' post re: the accident the Cate Brothers were involved in:

(1) ERNIE Cate was the seriously injured party ("broken hip & ribs and SEVERE chest injuries).

(2) The message was posted in RMD, not alt.music.the-band.

Again, we apologize and continue to wish Ernie, Earl their fellow band members, families & friends the best of luck in the healing process. Our prayers are with you...

PLH,

Mim & Harry

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pehr

Back to the Band. The "Carmen and the Devil" line often brings two images to my mind, one of "Carmen" being tempted in an old west town. Mixed in with this is a reference to Robert Johnson's "Me and the Devil" blues.

"Me and the Devil- was walkin' side by side..."

The image of a person walking side by side with the Devil is very a potent, enduring image. Certainly a biblical allusion as well.

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John D

French Fries with melted cheese poured over it. Oh them arteries. Yes Mr. Bush at the time had no idea the name of the leader of the country directly to the north. Then again many of us here wish we didn't know either.BTW newest one liner joke. What does BUSH stand for....Blow Up Saddam Hussein

One political theory I have at the moment....may I share?

I don't believe Iraq has nuclear weapons and without knowing anything "for sure" I'll tell you why. As a 55 year old growing up in the "cold war" era there was one aspect that has stuck with me. Why didn't the U.S. go to war with Russia and why didn't Russia go to war with the U.S. One reason! They both had nuclear weapons.You don't threaten someone who can do as much damage to you as you could do to them. Thank God for cool heads during my upbringing.

Recently we see North Korea actually telling everyone that they indeed have nuclear weapons. No threat of invasion from U.S. Why! Again.....You don't make war with someone who has equal weapons. That is why I don't think Saddam has the bomb. As I said, I sure hope not for all our sake. Again.....You don't threaten an attack on someone who can give back the same potential damage that you can give them. I do believe Saddam has weapons; however I would be surprised that George W. would attack a country have could potentially drop "the big one."

Have I over simplified this? I'm serious. This came about as a friend of mine and I were talking about it the other evening. This was his theory and I must admit it made sense to me as I reflected back to the 50's,60's etc. The fear was always there; but the leaders were too smart to blow each other up...thank God! I'm interested if anyone agrees with me on this; but it makes sense to me at the moment.

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bob wigo

JTull,

Pehr wrote.."How many Americans out there can remember and tell who prime minister Poutine is????

I believe he was referring to the question about Canada's Prime Minister posed to Dubya during his campaign. The question was posed by Rick Mercer of "This Hour Has Twenty Two Minutes" fame on CBC. He referred to the Prime Minister as Jean Poutine and told Dubya about his support. Dubya fell for it and thanked PM "Poutine" directly. Our neighbors to the north can help me here but I believe "poutine" is a food reference. The Canadian press had a good laugh over it, well deserved I might add.

Pehr, point well made and taken.

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Amanda

It was me!

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rich

Subject: best wishes

sincere best wishes to earl cate. im not terribly familiar with his music other than the cate brothers connections to the reformed band.get well soon. drunk drivers are scum.it was one of their ilk that killed the great clarence white.lets hope mr cate is up and rocking asap. have a good day everyone.rich.

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Harry & Mim

Subject: Related Band Content

Friends:

Some sad news reported today by our friend Butch on The Band Newsgroup. (I'm paraphrasing here).

Earl Cate suffered some serious internal injuries when the car The Cate Brothers were travelling in was hit by a drunk driver. Other passengers got away with minor cuts and bruises.

We hope you join us in sending our best wishes for a GREAT RECOVERY and many more years of good music from Mr. Earl Cate.

Think about this and other innocent sufferers from drunk drivers the next time you are ingorant enough to get behind the wheel of a car after having "a few."

Mim & Harry

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jerry

I meant "To Kingdom Come" not "King Harvest"...rookie mistake..

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jerry

Jenny...right on about Owen Wilson in the Tenenbaums looking like Rick Danko, ya know as I was watching the movie I kept thinking where have I seen that smile before, I never did put that togather until now...also agree with not liking rock songs about how tough it is to be on the road after all Im working an extra 30 some hours of overtime this week and after sam gets done with me rocking on the road would be a cakewalk..

Roz hun..I tried emailing you twice today but both times they came back as errors, I will recheck your email adress to make sure I copied it right...

today at work as I was leaving the shop for a job I heard "W.S. Walcotte Medicine Show" being played somewhere close by, well I had to investigate as I couldnt believe it was being played on comercial radio, they never play anything that good in the middle of the day, turned out a co worker of mine is a huge Band fan and had a disk from the "King Harvest" box set on, Ive never really talked to much to him before as he works in another department but as we talked about the Band the gap was bridged mighty quick, put a couple of Band fans togather and ya cant shut them up, Im guessing we will talk a little more now...kind of like being a member of an exclusive club that not many people know about and feeling fortunate that you found it...

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Crabgrass

Subject: Garth at Healey's Photos

Some quite good photos of Garth, Maud, and fellow artists at Jeff Healey's in Toronto by Brown Eyed Girl in the "What's New?" section. (Nice review too.) [Click on above link for direct access.]

I'm almost sorry I taught her how to hold the camera straight!!

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roslyn

Subject: Honeysuckle Rose / Oh... Dixie

The mention of "On The Road Again" reminded me of a story I heard. The director of Honeysuckle Rose, Jerry Schatzberg and Willie were on a red-eye flight from LA to Reno or somewere. Schatzberg was sound asleep with his head pressed against the window seat. Willie wakes him up real fast and acting all excited. Willie Says.. "Hey Jerry, I just wrote a new song. Wanna hear it?" Schatzberg wakes up, gathers his senses and excitedly says "Geez Right Now You Mean? You Just Wrote A New Song Right Now? Wow Willie!" Willie says "Yeah wanna hear it?" Jerry says "Damn Willie Yeah!" So Willie pulls up this piece of paper and proudly recites the lyrics.

"On The Road again.... Just can't wait to get on the road again....
The life I love is making music with my friends....
Just can't wait to get on the road again."

Schatzberg gathers all the enthuiasm he can and says something like "Man Willie..That's ah..ah a really great song. Is that it?"

I'm listeing to that Paul Kennerley produced record about the Civil War.

" Come out of the meadows and plantations
Come away from the shores down by the sea...

Join under the flag with your musket and your bag...
We gotta break ties with the north to be free..."

Not a bad album. Waylon Jennings done some good work on that.

Poco made an album called " The Blue and The Gray"? Good tunes on that too.

" Ride that Dark Lady down..
Roll on easy to aother town....
But she's got such wild and wistful ways...
I'd take her any time of day.. But I gotta get down on the river again...
I'm a runnin' man..."

Hey Rich - I would't have needed no Video-Hound to find the answer to that one. So I Win! Just like Jason Robards in "Any Wednesday"

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JTull Fan

Subject: Amanda

Is that really you who sent the picture? Let me know!

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Charlie Young

Subject: More French & Other Stuff

Friend of The Band Jesse Winchester recorded a song or two in French, but I guess that there is lack of much French influence evident in The Band's music beyond "Acadian Driftwood."

Meanwhile, there was an odd Associated Press article today about a missing French marksman who took a North American vacation in August and never returned, causing some "speculation of a link to the Washington-area sniper."

Those who are interested in an excellent piece about the lack of concern about the DC shootings from our Commander-in-Chief should click on the link above. I have to buy gas and drive up to Montgomery County, Maryland tomorrow (scene of the tenth fatal serial shooting in the area this morning). I'd settle for having just one or two Secret Service guys by my side...

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CARMEN

Subject: carmen

Jenny T - I always thought the devil was a referance to drugs.

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Bayou Sam

Subject: MUSIC - just music

I clicked on radio station WPKN today which is a listener supported station out of Connecticut, and Anton Fig (Lettermans drummer) was a guest. What an interesting and talented guy he is. I've always like him as a drummer but I'd never heard him interviewed before. They played a couple of cuts from a CD he just put out called "Figments." One of the songs featured Blondie Chaplin and Brian Wilson singing on it. I went to Anton's website and he has the CD for sale for a mere $12.99. I'm gonna pick one up myself. There is quite a list of guest musicians on it. I've attempted to add a link to Mr. Fig's site above.

I noticed that another poster mentioned another Brian Wilson appearance on a CD. I think it's so wonderful that the talent of Brian is out there in the music world, and that instead of running around with the patched-together version of the Beach Boys that Mike Love has on tour, he is in the studios creating new and interesting music with other talented people. Who would have imagined that a few years ago? Good for Brian. Good for music.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Road Songs

I'm with ya Jenny T, the "Down And Out And On The Road" song belongs to the African-American band on the bus in the "Old-Days" like 1900-1968.

I can't even stomach "On The Road Again" by that perpetual road runner, uh, what's his name ???........

I was going to say it's still like that in "The South" but there seems to be a few Southerners here and I really haven't done that much traveling in the South. My sister was born in Montgomery AL in the 50s....does that count? I've been through most of the "South" like Mississippi, Alabama, No.& So. Carolina, LA, AK, TN, etc.etc. I never found it to be hard at all. Of course I am white and middle class so.........

I'll cut my losses and check out while I can.......

Thoughts and prayers to you all in the D.C. area. Hang in there Y'all

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Jenny T

Jerry: The Royal Tenenbaums was so good we saw in in the theater and then rented it twice. It kills me. Also that Owen Wilson kind of seems a little like a blond Rick Danko.

Ray Pence: There is a nice picture somewhere on this site of Rick in a Rainforest Action Network shirt--his heart and mind were definitely in the right place. I think Robbie does some environmental stuff too. When everything goes to hell, there are going to be a lot of people saying, gee, I guess I should have done something after all.

Speaking of the French and their lack of contribution to rock (though they might have made a FEW other cultural contributions to make up for it)whenever it is Tour de France time we sing that song that goes Tour de France, Tour de France, ah hah ah hah ah hah ah hah. That was a decent "song" by a French group I think. We like to sing it anyway.

My cousin Pamela married a Frenchman and to this day my Dad can't understand why it didn't work out--the guy was into classic cars! How could anything go wrong?

PV: When does Neil Young not look like a zombie?

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Jenny T

I always thought of the devil as some skeevy guy--like a pimp or dealer or girlfriend-beater or something--someone who's not good for Carmen. I always thought that the speaker wants to hang with Carmen and see how she's doing, and doesn't want this bad guy around, and of course gets stuck with the bad guy and no Carmen. Was that a serious question?

Does anybody else not like songs about how hard it is to be a rock star and how hard it is to be on the road? Even though I know it's not easy, neither is working at Sizzler. I can't think of one song on that theme I like, including Endless Highway.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Pehr,

It's Putin. I would love to talk about countries and cultures in addition to the U.S. and enjoy it when I see it out here. I am partial to American history partly because that is where my formal education is, although I have minored in Russian history, and that ranks high for me as well. One of my closest friends is from Mumbai (Bombay) India, and has fascinating stories to tell about his family and culture (I need to accept his invitations to visit), particularly the wars with China, during which his father served in Indian intelligence.

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Jenny T

My husband was given a gift certificate at work and came home with all Lucinda Williams' CDs (as well as new hand pruners for me). Haven't listened to them all yet. Her voice is strange but I like it.

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David Powell

Subject: Forbidden Fruit

Harvey: I believe what you're hearing is a modulation effect from Garth's synthesizer along with Robbie's use of a tremelo bar on his guitar. Both effects alter the pitch.

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Bashful Bill

Rich-the movie is Tom Horn.Have to admit I cheated, though,I cross-referenced the three names in my VideoHound book.

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Hi

Dylan covered "Carrying a torch," on 10/19/02. Mr. Bell co-wrote it with Van Morrison who recorded it. A mp3 download of it by Dylan is temporarily available at www.bobdylan.de....scroll down...not bad with Bob on piano.

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Harvey Brown

Subject: Forbidden Fruit

Can anyone tell me why the opening track on "Northern Lights - Southern Cross" sounds like it was mastered from a slipping tape. Not having ever bought the original vinyl version, I don't know whether Forbidden Fruit on the CD sounds the same as it always did but it continues to bother me.

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Peter Viney

His obituaries appeared here last week, and I'd meant to post myself. I'm glad David and Bob were more alert. The Chieftains lured him from the classical orchestra, and he always maintained his plain charcoal grey suit and totally different look. The comparison with Garth was so apt. The list of artists he'd recorded with covered a column of text- you've selected the ones most relevant here.

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John W.

Pehr - Who Cares? (Just Kidding!)

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rich

Subject: brian wilson

just to say that the collaboration between richard ashcroft and brian wilson on the new richard ashcroft album is absolutely mesmerising.its called nature is the law.incredible!quick trivia.richard farnsworth,slim pickens,steve mcqueen in the same movie.name that film. goodnight all.hug roz. rich.

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Pehr

How many of you fellow Americans would be able to hold any discussion of substance with other gb'ers about the state of things in India, Canada, Great Britain, France, Sweden, Italy, etc.? now that would be really interesting. What makes us as americans assume these people we discuss mean that much to the other GB'ers.

I admire you posters from other countries for your awareness of our culture, and your restraint and judiciousness in putting up with all this american political crap here.

How many Americans out there can remember and tell who prime minister Poutine is????

I think that arrogance and insensitivity may be why (ahem)Americans around the world are less popular today than they were at one time. A great display of that chest thumping going on here. So are the liberals going to change the world thru the guestbook for the Band? kind of silly, keep it in perspective, mates. As for the Right Wing stuff, jeez you hear that all day long on the talk radio shows now,(bore-ring) i used to come here to escape that stuff... and most of the stuff is real hot button stuff on both sides, in a mass media (ala McDonalds) format that worships ratings and money (hello?..uh,) seldom delivered with any real sensitivity, experience or real understanding. I know, I'm being naiive... Maybe if we really gave a shit here in America we wouldnt lie so much and if we really had reverence for things without dollar signs or power and status we wouldnt need guns, much less belittle each other over petty differences, depend on fear and lo9athing to sell everything... Maybe we are here on this rock to learn to take this crap and evolve in our compassion and be a little slower to judge and kill and screw each other.

Or maybe the system is naiive, you know something we'll outgrow i a few gadzillion light years. whos to judge?

I nominate Crabgrass. and maybe...mmm- David Powell. Nah they are both too american...

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Bones

Butch: I miss not hearing about Levon! Please forgive all the ridiculous political posts and mean-spirited posts and RETURN. Nobody gets me more excited about the blues and Levon's music than you do. Also, please remember that we are huge fans of the Band, and it is a great luxury to know someone who can tell us what one of its members is doing.

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John D

This Sunday Night at Touchdown's Bar & Sports Grill in Port Credit. Legendary Toronto soul legend, John Finley....ex lead singer of Rhinoceros and Jon-Lee & The Checkmates....will reunite with Michael Fonfara, Larry Leishman and Peter Hodgson. Jon Finley and the Checkmates 9:30 pm at Touchdowns 1900 Lakeshore W between Clarkson and Southdown roads.

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bob wigo

David,

A very nice post on three legends of the music business. Your mention of Derek Bell brings to mind an obvious comparison. Bell was, in effect, the Chieftains' own version of Garth Hudson. He was classically trained at the Royal College of Music and was a marvelously gifted keyboardist and oboist. He became a renowned harpist but didn't take up the instrument until well into his thirties. He was a master of the hammered dulcimer as well. In addition to the artists you mentioned he recorded with Don Henley, Elvis Costello and Mark Knopfler. He was characterized by a unique sense of humor as witnessed by his 1981 album entitled "Derek Bell Plays With Himself". He was, in short, a musical genius.

"CBS Sunday Morning" , in my humble opinion the best ninety minutes of television week in and week out, did a nice tribute to Mr. Logan this past Sunday. He was very much a pioneer and provided a stage for many who fell outside the then rigid standards of the Opry.

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David Powell

Sadly, three figures from the world of music passed away last week, Beecher Ray Kirby, Derek Bell and Horace Logan. Beecher Ray "Pete" Kirby, who became known as Bashful Brother Oswald, was the long time Dobro player & right-hand man with the late Roy Acuff. Derek Bell was the harpist with the Chieftains, true pioneers in what is now called world music. Horace Logan was the long time emcee for the Louisiana Hayride live radio broadcasts originating on KWKH in Shreveport. While all three of these men came from divergent backgrounds, their paths crossed in the world of country music, where the boundaries of influences merge.

Bashful Brother Oswald learned to play the Hawaiian style of steel or slide guitar which was later adapted as a lead instrument in bluegrass music. As a member of Roy Acuff's Smokey Mountain Boys, he became a fixture at the Grand Ole Opry in Nashville. Along with Mr. Acuff, he joined the many traditional artists who participated in the first Nitty Gritty Dirt Band "Will The Circle Be Unbroken" project.

Mr. Bell, played harp & a variety of instruments with the Chieftains, a group that went beyond the world of Celtic music to collaborate with many artists from rock & country music. Band fans may recall their work with Van Morrison & Emmylou Harris, as well as their recording of "Long Black Veil" with Mick Jagger. The Chieftains had just toured the U.S. before Mr. Bell's death. On September 30th they had appeared at the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville, playing on the same stage where Mr. Acuff, Bashful Brother Oswald & the Smokey Mountain Boys once mesmerized Opry audiences.

As emcee at the Lousiana Hayride, Horace Logan introduced many of the great stars in country music, including Hank Williams (Sr.) and Elvis Presley. When the lifestyle of the former and the performing style of the latter, clashed with the staid powers-to-be at the competing Grand Ole Opry, the live Hayride broadcasts became showcases for those two performers. In 1956, when the audience at the Hayride started going wild after a performance by Elvis, Mr. Logan took the microphone and made the following announcement to calm the crowd: "Elvis has left the building." Who knew at the time that Mr. Logan's spontaneous reaction would become a part of rock history.

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Bill

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Dave the Phone Guy

Los Lobos and Bob Weir's band Ratdog will be on Austin City Limits October 26th.Watch this show and tape it if you get PBS.

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Peter Viney

… many people find Coh-lynn Powell's inability to pronounce his own name mildly irritating. i've met many Coll -ins, but he's the only Coh-lynn.

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carmen

Subject: Ray

Ray, Lets talk freedom to choose as the Dems like to say. The choice involved deals only with the unborn. How about the freedom to own a gun, the freedom to associate with who you want, the freedom to select a school for your child. I can go on!

I think you have it a little backwards.

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Peter Viney

Harry Belafonte- well, he made that wonderful “Paradise in Gwazankulu” album about 14 years ago, very much in the style of ‘Graceland’. If you’re looking through the used record dealers and see it, grab it! It was on CD and LP. Go to the duet with Jennifer Warnes, ‘Skin to Skin’. Magic. Belafonte was also a towering figure in American civil rights history, as was Pete Seeger. The difference being that Belafonte had a truly great singing voice. Even those cheap label compilations of hits have their virtues (some have Midnight Special on for a start).

But it seems he was dismissive of Colin Powell- as were the some of the Allied generals in the Gulf War, for presumably opposite reasons. They reckoned he dithered … If race is expunged from politics (as it should be) then there’s nothing wrong with an African-American supporting the left, middle or right according to their own convictions rather than following historical patterns. In the report I read, Belafonte was (probably rightly) self-censorious in that we all know that the words in use in the ante-bellum South were not ‘houseboy’ or ‘house slave’ nor were they ‘field boy’ or ‘field slave’. I guess there’s a generation gap, or half-a-generation gap. Belafonte can’t let go of the history. Colin Powell hopefully represents someone who’s freed themselves from the history. However, if they were standing for election opposite each other, I’d personally vote for the singer.

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Crabgrass

It looks like Harry may be backing Al Sharpton in his upcoming bid for the Presidency.

Homosexuality is not a "lifestyle choice" any more than heterosexuality is such.

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Ray Pence

John W,

I'll give my e-mail address if you'd like to have a dialogue so we won't clutter up this space any more than we already have, but I take issue with your recent statement which I take as a defense of anti-gay and lesbian thought and action as something different from, and hence acceptable, in comparison to real problems like racism and bigotry.

Your argument is a common one, and I won't take up my time or this space refuting it here.

It's astonishing how some conservatives/Republicans support life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but only for certain people.

I'll wave the flag a bit here and put in a word for Mark Bingham, one of the heroes of Flight 93 who stormed the cockpit and took down the plane. He was openly gay, respected by his community, a solid citizen in every way, eulogized by John McCain (sorry for saying those dirty words).

Let's Roll!

He also, presumably, engaged in some of the "gay behavior" you see as the problem. Gay-bashing and discrimination and prejudice aren't problems--"gay lifestyle" and "behavior" are. Interesting. They bring it on themselves, in other words.

rpence3@sunflower.com

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Ray Pence

Anthem '84

If you're looking for a fighter who'll defend you

And love you for your Freedom. I'm your man.

And I ain't gonna leave you for the crazy things you're doing

But don't ask me to lend a helping hand.

You were such a pretty dream as I remember

You were young and strong and God was on your side.

But vision slowly faded like the wonder from your eyes

And you traded your compassion for your pride.

But I still believe in all that we believed in.

And I pray to God that you will in the end.

And you'll see the golden chances that you're wasting.

And be the loving beauty that you can.

But I still believe in all that we believed in.

And I pray to God that you will in the end.

And you'll see the golden chances that you're wasting.

And be the loving beauty that you can.

--Kris Kristofferson (a message to America that remains all too relevant)

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John W.

And Ben, if Barbra was so discriminated against, then how could she have become one of the biggest stars in the world for almost 40 years?

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carmen

The world according to Ben Pike.

Ben don't you ever get tired of being right all the time?

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John W.

There goes Ben Pike again mixing apples and oranges. ("Anti Gay/Pro Jesus?") First of all if you're referring to anti-Semetic, that's one thing, it's wrong, but "Anti-Semetic" is not the same thing as "Pro-Jesus." And, "anti-gay" is not the same thing as "anti-(race)" or "anti-(religion)". It's based on aversion to a Behavior, not an innate ethnic or racial quality. Discrimination against a BEHAVIOR is called lifestyle choice. Discrimination against RACE or RELIGION or ETHNIC BACKGROUND is called bigotry.

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David Powell

John W: You're right also. The Belafonte song, which I believe was recorded on June 1, 1961, was the first time Dylan was credited on an officially released recording. During that same year he also recorded with Danny Kalb, Ramblin' Jack Elliot and Carolyn Hester, as well as recording his own Columbia debut album with John Hammond, Sr.

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Bill

I agree with a number of points in basmanlee's note about Gentle Giant. Definitely an acquired taste - a taste that I didn't acquire until I saw them opening for J Geils and Jefferson Starship. They were touring to promote "Free Hand", which is, as basmanlee says, an excellent album. Even better live - as were J Geils and Jefferson Starship for that matter. (I won tickets from the radio station as the third caller or something.)

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Ben Pike

What's great about Harry B is that he said something everyone knows is true but too polite to say.. breaking the true rules of political correctness. As for Babs, as a Jewish Gal who came up through the ranks She knows plenty about bigotry from the likes of "Anti-gay/pro Jesus" types. Guess those no account Blacks who only got where they are because of Jesse Jackson(?) really bug you, don't they Roz?

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David Powell

Bob, you are correct. That 1961 recording for RCA featured a young, still relatively unknown, Bob Dylan (courtesy of Columbia Records). Most Dylan biographers report that this was not a very pleasant experience for Dylan. Mr. Belafonte was a perfectionist in the studio and Dylan was & still is, let us say, more of a spontaneous performer. For "Midnight Special", Dylan apparently had to play his part over & over again until he got it exactly the way Mr. Belafonte & his producer, Hugh Montenegro, wanted. The resulting performance, however, adds to the right touch of rawness to the otherwise bland, yet smooth, interpretation that was Mr. Belafonte's trademark.

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John W.

More specifically it was the first time Dylan ever was heard on an album.

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bob wigo

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David Powell

Subject: music trivia question

Let me just briefly interrupt the political discussion relating to Harry Belafonte to interject this music trivia question -- "What is the significance of Mr. Belafonte's recording of the song 'Midnight Special'?"

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John W.

Subject: DAY - O

Maybe because I have always liked Harry Belafonte as a performer and respected his career in trying to bring some social justice to this world, I am not ready to throw him in with the Bush-bashing "Hollywood" crowd. I respect that he is speaking his conscience, while he may be wrong on this one, but he is just so convinced that Bush and his policies are bad for blacks and the poor, he can't help but see Powell and Rice as betraying the advancement of their own people by working for Bush. He has a hell of a lot more civil rights experience than Streisand, Baldwin, Lange and some of these other blame-America-first crowd. He says he loves America, just that he thinks Bush is bad for America. Unlike some of these others, who say they're ashamed to be Americans -- Harry never said that. Maybe it's just because I admire the man but I respect him more than these other clowns, who by the way said they would move out of the USA if Bush got elected but somehow they are all still here!

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jerry

Roz hun......I can do that......

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roslyn

Sory to get Bones and Ray Pence mixed up in my head. Sometimes it's hard to keep track of things in here without writing stuff down.

Oh - I been hearin' on the TV about Harry Belefonte's rantings about Colin Powell being President Bush's "Houseboy". He 's been yammerin' on and sayin' How some slaves worked in the field and hated the master of the plantation, and then some slaves were smiled upon because they be bent over backward and done everything the master told them to do, and yes sir - yes sir - yes sir'd them to death and pleased the master and the master took them into the house. Oh Brother! Just because Colin Powell became a successful republican without help from the Jesse Jackson bunch he's the devil now. What a bunch of Bullshit. Probaby now somebody will call Colin Powell The Whitest __ In Town. How low can this Hollywood crowd go?

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roslyn

I'm just preparin' Leah Chase's Southern Fried Chicken and listenin' to Mahalia Jackson on the box. I don't think ya can get too much closer to heaven from down here than that.

"Roll__Jordon __Roll - Roll__Jordon__Roll - I want to get to heaven when I die to see Ol' Jordon__Roll"

"I know my robe gonna fit me well - I tried it on at the gates of hell - Keep yo' hands on the plow - Hold On"

"Elijah Rock - Shout - Shout - Shout - Elijah Rock - Comin' up a' Lord - And If I could I surely would - Stand on the Rock where Moses stood Hal - le - lu - jah!"

Eugene _ What did mean man? Well, While we're on the subject of Castro's footwear. If the only way to get a Nobel Peace Prize is to suck the ..ah..toes of dictators well.... If Carter were really worthy of that Nobel Peace Prize he'd melt the sumbitch down, make bullets, load up his gun and move to Virginia!

Rich - Another one bites the dust...hug to you too...

Ray Pence - I liked the version of Lovett's "Front Porch Song" ( i would have preferred if they had called it "This Old Porch") better that Keen's. Robert Earl Keen has one of my favorite singing voices. Along with John Prine and Jimmy Dale Gilmore and others who sound like the land they were raised on. It's good for the blood to hear a voice like that. I quoted that song cause I especially love that verse.

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j

how can i order the richard manual solo album?

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lizzie t /greatballoffluff

awsome site. check out the chat room. thanks

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Peter Viney

Each one signed by Robbie – so we're not talking huge numbers, then! Believe it or not, record companies and book publishers do a whole lot of thing for prestige - it helps sign new artists, it keeps their profile high- hell, sometimes they probably even do it for love of the music. Every educational book publisher has long lists of academic books and lose money on every single one. Record companies feel less guilty about their Robbie Williams / Britney Spears profits if they plow some back- and whatever you say, they probably did enter the business originally because they liked music.

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rich

Subject: movie trivia

nice one ray. slim pickens and richard farnsworth were the old geezers at the end of the film who give the heroes a lift to their happy ever after life of domestic bliss! sp in the original getaway and rf in the remake. lets be fair the alec baldwin version along with a few other movies i could mention must be one of the most pointless movie remakes ever. goodnight all. rich.

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Peter Viney

The MVC chain (covertly owned by Woolworths, though they try to keep it secret) has their DVD-Audios at £14.99 - I find they always undercut HMV, Virgin & Tower. The Bournemouth store is biggish, but not unusually so for MVC. They have free membership, and two prices 'members and non-members'. You join instantly for nothing.

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Pat Brennan

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bob wigo

I'll write it into the contract if you promise you will actually read it.

Any new reviews in on the Mickey Thickett and the Meat Thermometers show at the Do Drop Inn ?

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Bones

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Bones

Robbie has signed an alt.country, americana group called eastmountainsouth. Their debut cd is coming out in February, and Robbie has Mitchell Froom producing the project. The LA Times said that Robbie and Dreamworks head Lenny Waronker are helping the group pick the best songs for the release.

Hey G-Man: In Robbie's defense, he is in the process of trying to launch the careers of Dana Glover, A.I., Boomkat and eastmountainsouth. All four of these artists are completely different musically. On top of that, he is trying to finish up on the music and soundtrack to Gangs of New York as well as help Capitol come up with a better box set of the Band's music. Now, granted, this may not be "visionary" as you said, but he is hardly resting on his storied past.

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Bumbles

Subject: Treasures Untold

Well that's a relief. Those $250,000 advances are non-negotiable then, right?

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Ray Pence

Rich, would the movie be "The Getaway"? I loved Peckinpah's version but can't bring myself to see a remake of anything he directed. Especially when Alec Baldwin's the surrogate for Steve McQueen!

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bob wigo

You really should complete your reading assignment before the quiz begins.

"The package will include guitar picks, photos and replicas of a poster, ticket and backstage pass from the Thanksgiving Day event — frills that won't be in an unsigned second edition tentatively planned for next year."

You need a keypad lock out feature my friend. Your buttons are far too easy to push. Any idiot (almost any idiot) would be able to figure out you couldn't make any money on a thousand units. Thanks for your input.

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Bumbles

Subject: JRR's "Gold Mine"

A “rabid” audience isn’t the same as a “large” or “vast” audience. Levonistas tend to be rabid, but lord knows there aren’t many of them. As for the “Last Waltz” lp’s, they won’t be selling “thousands and thousands” of an edition limited to 1,000. Certainly someone with Bob Wigo’s background in the music business knows that no one is getting rich off any of the revitalized Band product---not the remasters, not the “Last Waltz” DVDs, and certainly not a specialty vinyl release. Levon would do better with a tip cup at Barnburners shows.

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lifeboy

Subject: TLW DVD-Audio/frenchies

Hi Peter,

Could you tell us the name of the store with TLW bargain please? Is it a chain or a local?

I pretty much agree with your comments on the French "doing their own thing", they just worry me when they occasionaly teeter dangerously close to the extreme right.

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John Stiles

Subject: CDs

Hey guys, Can't find the straight email address. I bought 2 copies of Hillbilly Homeboy and I want 8 more for Christmas presents. Any chance of a volume discount?

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John D

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bob wigo

"We know there's a rabid audience out there," he says, noting the instant rush for April's four-disc Waltz box set, one of the label's top sellers.

And garshdarnit we're gonna sell thousands and thousands of 'em and lose our shirts. Boy I sure hope that thar prestige thing will pay the bills.

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Peter Viney

DVD-Audio will play on a DVD player in 5.1 Surround sound (assuming you have it attached to a proper 5.1 amplifier and speakers), but it won’t be the “Enhanced Version” at a richer sampling rate unless there’s a DVD-A button / light on the machine, so I’m told. However, you still get the 5.1 channels in Dolby Digital. The upper-end latest Pioneer DVD players have switches for DVD-A and for Sony’s totally different SACD (which The Stones series is in). So you’ll only need one (expensive) box. I haven’t yet heard what the enhanced versions sound like, but Rumours was stunning just in 5.1, and remixed by the original artists. The Workingman’s Dead / American Beauty DVD-A’s have been remixed by the survivors and The Last Waltz by RR. So the 5.1 mix has integrity. I only had time to check a couple of tracks on TLW, and it’s hugely impressive while being oddly disconcerting. Because Rumours is a studio album, there’s no reason why instruments shouldn’t appear in new locations. With TLW, I checked Caravan first, and while the voice is right in front of you, bits of guitar, some of the horns and all the audience is behind you. Because CONCERT is written huge in my head, the placing (as on the DVD video) takes a bit of getting your head round. With a live album, you have the preconception of a stereo sound stage. As I say, with studio recordings, it’s easier to drop your pre-conceptions because you don’t necessarily think of it as a group playing in front of you. I haver the feeling that as DVD systems spread, 5.1 has a chance of replacing stereo, and then new albums could be interesting. The DVD version of Lyle Lovett ‘Joshua Judges Ruth” is not “DVD-Audio”, but it is just an “audio DVD” with 5.1 (but no Enhanced Version). That’s been very cleverly mixed to utilise 5.1 in a valid way (the gospel choir is standing in a balcony above and behind you).

My local store launched its DVD-Audio range today. As I said, at their price of £14.99 the TLW three-LP / 2 CD / but only 1 DVD-A is a bargain – all the others seem to be single albums. The guy in the shop said that “Riders in the Storm” by The Doors was a big surprise because it reveals a second whispered vocal line behind the first one. I didn’t ask to hear it. I’ll take his word. He said there are 600 titles in the USA (but there are only 42 in the supplied Warner flier). I think the next toe in the water might be American Beauty- yeah, I have it on vinyl and CD and remastered CD already …

But would Robbie ever remix The Brown Album? A major challenge there.

Bassmanlee- I was only saying ‘don’t knock the French’ – I wasn’t insisting on … or even recommending … marrying them! (Though I do have happy family connections myself).

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Pat Brennan

Personally, I think its great that Band material is available in many different formats. Since the whole money thing is way too arcane and indecipherable for my poor brain to handle, I'll leave it to all of you more versed in the ins and the outs of the matter to keep us posted.

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rich

Subject: this and that

here's one for you roz hun and all other film buffs. richard farnsworth and slim pickens played the the same characters in different versions of the same film. name the movie.i think this one's too easy!gods and monsters. a fantastic film. the same guy who did usual suspects.bryan singer. although i must confess i hated x men. re. the last waltz vinyl. having shelled out for the dvd and the cd box set, this next reissue may be one purchase too far especially as the original triple album is still floating around record fairs. listening at the moment to the new richard ashcroft. its pretty much spiritual rock and soul a la van m. circa 1980's,and brian wilson's on it. just right for these dark days were living in. peace rich. hug roz.

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bassmanlee

Subject: SBR?

David, that's interesting, as I just picked up a vinyl copy of Harvest...part of my yard sale cruising for good-condition vinyl. Along with it were Comes A Time and Decade, and J. Tull's Songs of the Woods (for 50c apiece!). Recently bought a box of '80s stuff I'd never heard on a lark - Ultravox, Depeche Mode, OMD, The Cure, etc. Interesting in small doses, but...points out there was a whole scene then that wouldn't have given our boys the time of day...

Peter, the only reason the French Foreign Legion kicks any ass at all is that YOU CAN ONLY JOIN IF YOU AREN'T FRENCH!! Used to have a French brother-in-law, but won't disparage an entire nation on the basis of one a**hole. I'll let my sister do it!

Bonnie, Gentle Giant, by their own admission an aquired taste (one LP entitiled "Aquiring The Taste") was an unfortunate baby tossed with the bathwater when punk came along. Intricate instrumental passages that ranged from kick-butt electric to 5-part pennywhistles and pseudo-madrigal vocals. Somewhere between Genesis and somebody like Fariport Convention? (More medieval than the former, but less folkie than the latter.) Best record (IMHO) "Free Hand" and "The Power and the Glory". There are few decent live overviews out there, too. One of the brothers in the band, Derek Shulman went on to be an A&R man, producer, and occasional guest player. I think he shows up on a recent Shawn Colvin record. Link above. Musical diversity forever!

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David Powell

Subject: this, that & the other

Interesting news regarding the upcoming release of a vinyl version of "The Last Waltz". One essential question in my mind is -- will this be a straight (flat, non-EQ'd) transfer from the original 2-track analogue mix, or will it be sourced from the digital remix of the original multi-tracks? I know this may sound like a lot of technical mumbo jumbo to some, but, as a matter of personal taste, I refuse to pay "audiophile" prices for an analogue release that has been modernized via a digital workstation.

Speaking of digital gadgets, Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen, was apparently the benefactor for providing some of the toys used in the TLW reissue projects. Since leaving Microsoft, Mr. Allen certainly has way more than enough capital to dabble in various aspects of the entertainment industry, including the sports & music.

DreamWorks was recently in the financial news when the privately-held company was seeking additional financing for various upcoming projects. In connection with this, several sources reported that Paul Allen was the largest, single shareholder of DreamWorks, reportedly holding more than each of the principal individuals, Speilberg, Katzenberg & Joni Mitchell's "old friend", David Geffen.

I'm glad Mickey Jones chose a more artistic approach to home videos than Bob Crane. Mr. Jones' subjects were often booed during their performance, but never nude. Regarding the lewdness factor, I knoooow nothing. Reportedly there was that one instance when a banker asked Dylan for some collateral (:-)

The other day I was looking at an old First Edition LP in a used record store. On the back of the album there were pictures & short bios of each of the group members. For some strange reason, Mickey Jones was identified as "Mickey Hart".

Just to show that I'm not completely anti-digital -- I've really been enjoying the recently released, 30th anniversary DVD-audio version of Neil Young's "Harvest" album. Even though I don't have a fancy DVD-A dedicated player, the music sounds fine to me in standard 2-channel and surround modes. This release also faithfully replicates the packaging of the original LP, and better yet, one of the local mega-stores had it priced the same as a standard CD.

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Gene

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G-Man

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bob wigo

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Pat Brennan

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le biffalo bull

did anyone catch the LIVE AT THE REHERSAL HALL show this past saturday night on the bravo station. it featured colin linden in concert. richard bell was his keyboardist, and was given nice kudos by colin. the longtime drummer and bassist were introduced as well. highlight for me was colin talking bout the BAND, and i sort of quote " playing between Rick Danko and Levon Helm was like being caught in the middle of the vortex of a great rhythm section, and really learning how great a band could be" all the songs they played were good listening but i really liked their version of Remedy. Sue Foley guested and did a suberb rendering of a blues tune sounding like one of the great blues mamas from way back.

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Ann

Hey John...I received an e-mail a few days ago stating DVD's wouldn't go out until the end of the month because Mickey was off working on a movie.

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Diamond Lil

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JTull Fan

Subject: Breaking News

There has been an arrest in Richmond (2 blocks from where I moved last Jan.) of a man in a white van at an Exxon station. Parham and Broad, two major arteries, are closed and choppers are in the air. Parham Rd., if you watch those Time-Life music ads, is the street you get your Time-Life music collections from.

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carmen

Subject: TLW / Rhino

I think it would be great that Rhino sees success from TLW in all it's forms. This can only lead to other Rhino efforts with THE BAND.

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bob wigo

It's all perfectly clear now. All of the companies involved in the re-releases are doing it solely for the "prestige factor". After all, if you are going to lose money at least do it in style.

Re-re-re-peat after me.......Bullshit.

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ro

Oopsie I did a mistake. Its not rosalindrichardson at "wetv" That must have been one of those Freudian slips everybody talks about...

rosalindrichardson@webtv.net. I must try and get that changed to Hotmail or a yahoooooooooo some day. But not to-day.

As Mr. Whale just said not more than a half hour ago. "Lonliness is like a drug...too much can become dangerous" Now I'm off to find "Frankenstein" I know he's around here somewhere. I put him in a safe place so he wouldn't get wet, cold or within 20 feet of any thing with a flame attached...I just hope he hasn't escaped again. He may be down at the river taking to the children...he loves the children..They seem to understand him. He's very misunderstood but his heart is as true and kind and noble as any monster's heart can be ..and he sure can dance.....

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John D

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roslyn

Subject: Gods And Monsters

I just watched that Fabulous film again! I fall in love with the British every time....we should have never left! Sorry to hear about the Cate Brothers after I have sit in my room all night watching movies and swilling down brandy.. It was sooo good and the movie was sooo goood. I just love everybody sooo much that I'm fit to bust sometimes.

Where's my Welsh Prince? Rich! Rich!

Hey Jerry doll, why don't you e mail me...if ya got the time. I'd like to get to know you better.

rosalindrichardson@wetv.net

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Lil Again

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John D

Mixed feelings. I'm very happy for Vinyl Audiophiles about the release of TLW on vinyl.......and yes I understand it is a limited edition;BUT $60.00 American? Whewwwww. Too rich for my blood. Then again I guess ehat's what the Rhino Handmade series is about......is to own a piece of history that will in fact be sold in limited numbers. I just wish our dollar didn't suck so much.

LIL ARE YOU OUT THERE OH EMPRESS OF THE CATSKILLS! Hug John :-)

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Diamond Lil

_Another_ Last Waltz re-release??? C'mon.. I think perhaps Jan should get royalties from this one. Geez.

Nothing else to say. Have a good day everyone.

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John D

Just wondering if anyone got their copy yet. I know there were people here on the site that ordered before me. I ordered about 3-4 weeks back.

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John D

Peter, I would be interested on your thoughts about this. As I mentioned in my piece earlier......I'm know I was listening back in 5.1 which will blow you away.....but because my DVD machine is older than one year......I don't know if I have the ("chip?) to bring out EVERYTHING it's supposed to. Quite frankly.........I'm happy enough with what I'm hearing. You will notice on your TV screen that each song has a picture of the Band member who is on lead vocals.

Again; because it's rather a foreign way to listen at this point I was rather exhausted from being in the "Middle" of it all. It did take me back (because of my age) to my first listenings of true seperate stereo and eventually the birth and death of quad. We have an AM radio station in town that plays oldies by the way. 1050 CHUM. They are playing the CD versions of the Mama's & Papa's. No one told them about the real "seperation" of Mamas and Papas material in the re-released versions. When you hear them play Monday or Monday for example you get to hear about a minute of one channel(backgrounds only) with no lead vocal until it clicks in eventually. Rather funny. They haven't caught it yet.

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Amanda

I am sorry to say that I have heard some terrible news. The Cate Brother's van was hit head-on by a drunk driver!!!!!!!!!!! Ernie has a broken hip & injuries to his chest & ribs. The others were badly bruised & bloodied, but "ok". The van was destroyed. Damn drunks!

Keep them in your thoughts and prayers. They are fine, hard-working musicians.

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Peter Viney

This was in store today, and at the offer price of £14.99 in M.V.C. the DVD-Audio is actually the cheapest way of getting the audio version of the concert, which is bizarre. I also noticed the prominent tribute to Paul Allen for financing it (once I managed to get the box open). I'll play it later. I wondered if it was just the movie 5.1 soundtrack, but seemingly not- as Robbie said that moves with the camera's attention. The DVD-Audio is presumably from a fixed listening position.

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Peter Viney

In the “Sunday Times” one Steve Grant writes of The Last Waltz:
“One of the most dated and overrated concert movies in history, despite the technical brilliance of Martin Scorsese’s camerawork (sic) and the powerful showing of the Band … Lots of bacchanalian excess and posturing, mercifully soon to be be bettered by The Sex Pistols, notably a completely zonked-out Neil Young grinning Zombie-like through a dismemberment of Helpless”. But Mr Grant found the Ice-Age DVD “genuinely beautiful and charming.” The same self-named “Culture” section carried a review of 'Live 1966' by Andrew Smith a couple of years back. In an astonishingly ignorant review he said "Dylan's words are tramelled by the clod-hopping R&B of what sounds like a very average pub rock band." So let’s cancel the Sunday Times then. I dislike buying the Murdoch-press anyway.

As a review of an execerable new film ‘Slap her, She’s French’ noted on Friday, in the USA there are only two nations you can lampoon / criticize with impunity, Britain and France. This is why Brits are the Hollywood baddies of choice, and the French are getting it now. When we talked about the British villain syndrome some time ago, I pointed this out, and that the French were liable to be next in line, because like the Brits, the French regard criticism as a sign of the critic’s ignorance, so will not go whining to some race relations board.The USA gets frustrated by their foreign policy. The UK has been frustrated by their entirely self-centred agricultural policy for years. But as has been explained to me many times in France, they subsidize and fiercely protect their farmers because being self-sufficient in food is the ultimate defence policy for the 21st century. And while French-produced standard European apples are cotton-wool, on the whole the quality of fresh produce in their markets puts the UK and North America to shame. I kind of like the fact that the French do their own thing. And if you’ve visited any major French city, you will know that they have a very large number of Arabic-speakers to consider. Not that the French would give a flying f**k what either I or anybody else thinks. BUT you do have to say that the French have never produced a decent rock singer. There’s a serious article I’ve read somewhere on why rock songs don’t sound right in French or Italian or Portuguese (but do in Spanish). It’s all very technical stuff on the range / type of sounds available, and the fact that (e.g.) too many words rhyme.

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jerry

Been away for the last few days, catching up in here..had to scroll by all the political posts, sorry...just deluged by all the ads on the airwaves lately..

Al Edge..thanks for the mention in your post last Thur. I can remember hearing Rick Dankos Crazy Chester verse in the Weight long before I was a Band fan and thinking of the Gunsmoke Chester charcter, still do in fact..

Rented the "Royal Tenenabaums" over the weekend, Hackman and the rest of the cast were great I thought, pluss the soundtrack was also very good, towards the end they played a really nice "Van" song, not being really A Van fan I dont know the name of it...

Roz hun...havnt heard about the Bob Crane movie but will watch for it, kind of a closet H.H. fan, a guilty pleasure I guess...I recently saw a review for a movie called "Secretary" seems they focus on her duties one of which is getting spanked by her boss, they gave it three stars out a five..might have to make my way to see that one as well

Go Golden Gophers

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jerry

Subject: Al...Roz..

Being away from the the pc for a while made for some catching up in here...I had to scroll a few of those political posts..sorry but with the deluge of political comercials on the airwaves these days Ive got to pass on the opinions of various in here.

Al Edge, thanks for the nice mention in your post last Thurs. funny you should mention crazy Chester as reminding you of the Dennis Weaver charcter on Gun Smoke because that was always my impression when i heard Rick Danko sing it in the Weight..

Rented the Royal Tenenabaums with a friend over the weekend, Hackman, Housten and Stiller are great in it pluss a nice soundtrack ending with a nice Van song near the end, I have no idea what the title of it was not being a Van fan but a nice tune.

Roz hun, I knooow Nooothing....I see Nooothing..

Go Golden Gophers

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roslyn

There was a interesting film released to theaters a couple of days ago. "Auto Focus". Paul Schrader, writer and / or director of such films as "Hardcore" "Taxi Driver" and "Affliction" has directed a portrait, a bio of sorts, on the life of "Hogan's Hero's" star Bob Crane. Crane is, of course, almost exclusively known as the sex-addicted porn freak, who in a cheap motel room in Scottsdale Arizona in 1978, was beaten about the head and face with the tripod of a camera until still and lifeless, supposedly by his.. ah.. friend, Johnny Carpenter. Greg Kinnear as Crane and Willem Defoe as Carpenter. I haven't been to a movie in close to a year. This is the one that could unshackle me from the PPV.

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roslyn

How about "Robbie Spamwood Speaks" or "Lord Robertson Remembers"... Nevermind

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John D

Enjoyed a fabulous night of Gospel Music tonight with former Band member Richard Bell. Richard along with John Finley and Michael Fonfara (ex Rhinoceros band mates) as well as Toronto R&B pioneers with Jon-Lee & The Checkmates, Hiram Joseph, the Levy Sisters and Danny Brooks and the Revalators blew me away. Also in the band Bucky Berger and Mitch Lewis of Rough Trade fame made everyone stand up and sing the praises of the Lord.

This was a great music evening with the northernblues gospel allstars. As Amoy Levy was singing she through a sign to Richard Bell and he cranked out one of many great organ solos of the evening. Wonderful musicians and beautiful harmonies from the singers. Had a great time. BEG you were missed; but we knew you were having a blast with Garland. Bill Munson told me how nice it was to meet you.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Under the Covers

Bonnie: the Persuasions collection of Frank Zappa covers is also excellent. They were "discovered" by Zappa and signed to his record label in the early 1970s after a telephone audition.

Crabby, your words about Michael Bolton could have be edited down to the truth, that he "blows." Period.

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Happy Birthday!

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Crabgrass

Subject: Re-makes

Michael Bolton's re-make of "When A Man Loves A Woman" blows the Percy Sledge original to smithereens!! (Or did I get that backwards?)

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Bonnie

Subject: covers

One of my favorite cover albums is The Persuasions sing the Greatful Dead. They do a good job on all selections, but I particulary like Ship of Fools. BR

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lifeboy

Subject: Top 100 greatest Britons of all time

So, come on then! The link provided lists the top 100 greatest Brits gleaned from a BBC poll. BBC2 showed a 3hr programme on it tonight(sun 20th), it was piss boring actually so I listened to Robbie being interviewed on Virgin Radio about TLW DVD with the(all these abbreviations!) TV sound down. Anyway they had a top 10 that viewers could vote for so I'll let ya know who gets the vote for numero uno(the little voices say it should be me, oh yes!)but what do ya reckon? Slagging off the French is getting dead boring anyway. P.S. I wish you could get posters of that Cahoots cover, looks cool!

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JTull Fan

Subject: The French

Peter: Much as I like and respect you, I must disagree with you on the French politically. Sure, I would not want to be in their Foreign Legion. But, their view of themselves is disproportionate to their international relevance. They are a 3rd rate power still believing they are first tier, and as a result have become contrarians on many issues for the sake, not of rational dispute, but of plain obrstructionism born of a fear of irrelevancy. They should stick to wine, bread, and cheese, and leave more important issues to those countries having a true stake in them.

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carmen

Subject: One Last Waltz

Share one 'Last Waltz' with The Band on vinyl

By Edna Gundersen, USA TODAY

The Last Waltz, the pivotal live album and documentary that captured The Band's 1976 farewell concert at San Francisco's Winterland, resurfaces next month in a top-grade vinyl collector's version.

Each of the 1,000 copies in the limited edition will be signed by Robbie Robertson of The Band, which shared the stage with Van Morrison, Bob Dylan, Neil Young and other rock icons.

Rhino will sell the three-disc set, a faithful repackaging of the 1978 30-track album, for $59.98 beginning Nov. 29 on its RhinoHandmade Web site.

The package will include guitar picks, photos and replicas of a poster, ticket and backstage pass from the Thanksgiving Day event — frills that won't be in an unsigned second edition tentatively planned for next year. The chief lure of the vinyl Waltz is high-end reproduction of a landmark album that has been out of print for years, says Rhino's David Dorn, who anticipates a swift sell-out.

"We know there's a rabid audience out there," he says, noting the instant rush for April's four-disc Waltz box set, one of the label's top sellers. Fans can get details by subscribing to the "early warning" mailing list at www.rhinohandmade.com.

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roslyn

Subject: Caledonia's list

I like some of your titles

The Cost of Livin' and the Price of Dyin'
Dodgin' Lions and Wastin' Time
Ancient Footprints

Anything Goes But Don't Complain If It Went..
The Trail of Tears

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Amanda

Subject: Caledonia

I have searched high and low for more info regarding the cover art of Cahoots. Hoskyn's liner notes is about all I have come up with-"mourning the passing of key American traditions." I did find a couple of sites on the artist, Gilbert Stone. See the link above and also check out www.gilbertstone.com.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: The French

I can't let this one slip bye without putting my $0.02 in.

Dans mon experiance personnel les Français sont individu les snobs égotistes centrés. Sans compter que cela ils sont vraiment une douleur dans l'âne.

Everybody knows it, even the French themselves. The good news is, they live in France.

onne nuit et bon amour.

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Caledonia

Amanda: Last week you mentioned liking the cover of Cahoots. I have to admit I never understood it (according to the liner notes there was a concept behind the cover image). Do you know what the concept was or what the images represent?

There have been some recent discussions regarding RR's guitars. It made me think of other guitars that I like. Being a Stones fan, I love Keith Richards's black '72 Tele Custom, Ronnie Wood's black "metalfront" Zemaitis and the "teardrop" guitar Brian Jones used to play in the mid-sixties.

One of the most amazing guitars I can think of is the one Robert Johnson posed with in that famous photograph used for the cover of "The Complete Recordings". I wonder if this was the guitar he used to record his songs. I also wonder what happened to that guitar! I assume it would have been given to a relative or close friend of R.Johnson's following his death (or possibly stolen). If it still exists, wherever that guitar is today, there's magic in it!

Last week there was a fun discussion regarding possible titles or chapter headings for RR's "book". Here are a few more suggestions:

The Six Nations Meets The Twelve Tribes
Can't Predict The Future, Can't Forget The Past
And The Bells Were Ringin'
Let The Bells Ring In
The Clubhouse
The Tears That We Cried
I'll Bring Over My Fender, And I'll Play All Night For You
You Will Remember Everything
If Your Memory Serves You Well
You Can't Forget It
Grab Your Hat, And Take That Ride
Our Destiny Is Quite Well Known
Peace In The Valley
Something To Feel
When Our Paths Did Cross, My Whole World Made A Turn
Out Of The Blue
Why Do The Best Things Always Disappear?
Ancient Footprints
Dodgin' Lions And Wastin' Time
You Like It Now, But You'll Learn To Love It Later
Laying In The Backseat Listenin' To Little Willie John
You Don't Know What You Gained, Till You Find Out What You Lost
A Drunkard's Dream
Unbound
The Hypnotist Collector
I'm A Lonely Boy
If My Heart Was Made Of Glass
All For You
Don't Leave Me Alone In The Twilight
The Carnival On The Edge Of Town
The Cost Of Living, And The Price Of Dying
Listen To The Rice
If I Had To Make A Choice, I Wouldn't Change My Mind
Big Time, Bill
You Shoulda Heard Just What I'd Seen
Don't Know What We Got, But It Feels Like A Lot
I Wanna Do It Wrong Till I Do It Right
It's The Last Waltz, But That Don't Mean The Party's Over
I Do Believe In Your Hexagram
You Take What You Need, And You Leave The Rest

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Pat Brennan

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Peter Viney

French “limp-wristedness”- anyone who believes that should try telling it to the Foreign Legion. Or joing the foreign legion! Come on! They are a sovereign state and fully entitled not to see things the same way as George W.
Fred mentioned language skills in hyphenated Americans. I still recall a restaurant in Little Italy where we were greeted with lots of ‘Grazie, prego, ciao etc’. My companion, being a fluent Italian speaker was misled into trying to order the meal in Italian. No chance! My menu Italian was better than the waiters! But on Parisians, I can’t think of a country that doesn’t criticize the denizens of its largest city.

Cover versions. Buddy Holly has more challengers than most, purely because we’ve had 43 years to better the originals. But Buddy’s “Slippin’ and Slidin’” beats the Little Richard original AND The Band cover. Buddy’s “Brown Eyed Handsome Man” is a tie with Chuck Berry’s original. On “Well, All Right”, Blind Faith run a close race, but Buddy gets my vote. “Not Fade away”? Probably The Rolling Stones …then The Band with The Crickets. ‘Raining In My heart- well. I’ll go for Rick’s voice too.

The Beatles and The Rolling Stones did good covers- Money and Twist and Shout are definitely The Beatles. I think most soul artists The Stones covered did it better than Mick & Keef, but I still like their Honest I Do better than Jimmy Reed – or Rick Danko.

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paulg

Subject: Levon Cover toons

Ricky did a great version of RAINING IN MY HEART. I would love to hear Levon do a lot of the Buddy Holly tunes. shineonpaulg

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Pence again

http://allafrica.com/stories/200210180680.html

If you're interested the link takes you to one of the stories about the Kilimanjaro ice caps.

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Ray Pence

Hi,

thank you for your reply and the comment about issues that are more urgent--to give an example, I've read about a recent study that shows the Mount Kilimanjaro ice caps are likely to be gone in a decade or two, with the predictably catastrophic consequences. Where's the outrage about that? Again, is Rick Danko's allegiance to Greenpeace and similar organizations going to be something we think about when we look at the CD jacket before filing it away?

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Mullah Omar

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JTull Fan

Subject: Too busy running for cover to say...

Been pondering what I would like to see on a Band box set, but too busy being paranoid of white vans to jot them down. Hopefully in a day or two. My wife says i have a thick skull anyway...

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Bayou Sam

Subject: Money

Jenny T = the version of Money that you're thinking of is from 1979, and the band was called the Flying Lizards. It was very techno-disco-new wave.

Speaking of the song Money. There are three very different recordings of John Lennon doing the tune. I used to have the three on tape because it was so cool to listen to them in a row. He did it as part of the demo recordings that The Beatles did for Decca in '62. It is a very "thin" version with not too much punch. Then there's the '63 version that has a ton of punch thanks to some dues paying time in Hamburg (that's always been my take anyway). Then Lennon did a slow, barely rehearsed live version at Live Peace in Toronto in '69.

John also did tremendous covers of Larry Williams tunes. Slow Down, Dizzy Miss Lizzie, Bad Boy. He really liked that guys music. I only recently got a hold of the Larry Williams recordings. He was quite good. It seems like he got sort of lost among people like Little Richard and Chuck berry. John noticed him though.

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Amanda

I got this info from The Little Feat website. Setlist copied straight from the site.

Fatman in the Bathtub-Get Up Stand Up(1verse)-scarlet begonias tease-Fatman- warren haynes

All That You Dream - jimmy herring

Rocket in my Pocket - sonny landreth

Time Loves a Hero - drew emmit, vince hermann

Day or Night - bela fleck

Long Distance Love - jackson browne acoustic guit/vocals

Sailin' Shoes - jackson browne vocals, joe ely, bela fleck, sam bush "slamgrass" vocals!

Oh Atlanta - joe ely guitar

Old Folks Boogie - levon helm drum,lenny pickett sax,stephen bruton guitar

Mercenary Territory - levon drums,sonny landreth, lenny pickett

- - - - intermission- - - -

Spanish Moon - warren haynes guit,voc, levon helm, allmighty senators horns

Skin it Back (same lineup??)

Day At the Dog Races - jimmy herring guit,molo drums,lenny pickett, joe ely

Joe Ely Song ?

On Your Way Down - sonny landreth

Let it Roll - sonny landreth, ron holloway,bela fleck,lenny pickett, almighty senators

Rag Mama Rag - levon helm mandolin,vince hermann, sam bush, bela fleck, steve bruton, drew emmit

Cajun Girl - sam bush, drew emmit, vince hermann,bela fleck

Dixie Chicken - everyone (except jackson browne & including billy bob thornton)

- encore -

Willin'-don't bogart-willin' ALL!

Comments from Little Feat fans:

" Well ...my opinion only ... from a second row seat ... what I saw Mr. Helm bring was a huge grin and a major sense of history and family. When I have described the show to friends back here they have remarked how often I mentioned Levon Helm. Other folks have posted set lists that list what he plays on what songs ... if you can't find that drop me a line and I'll email it to you. Through all of the wonderfull apearances and performances I always find the vision of Levon and Richie, at the drum sets, laughing and grinning at each other the most vivid. I, too, have been a big fan of The Band and it was just a dream come true to be in the same room with Levon Helm."

"Levon was awesome..brought a lot of energy to his part and he took part in several pieces...see also "hand written setlist" on this same bullien site for more specific info..(ps. you should have been there!!!)"

Hank: Freebird...Indeed! I'll be there for the one and only Levon Helm!!

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rollie

Let me first preface this entry with, Mullah, you are an ass beyond description, who's only purpose in checking in here is to perpetuate chaos. The Band live recording,"Up on Cripple Creek". Where and when was that recorded.

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Mullah Omar

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Mrs. Henry

I have to confess that I once dated someone who was a huge Tull fan and I grew to appreciate the talent of Ian Anderson. I remember that cool pop-up album cover they did and I really enjoyed their recent live acoustic CD as well.

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Creekwater

Subject: this guest book

"The Band" is foreign and way out of date. Oddly, so are the political rants (left and right). What a great combination.

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brown eyed girl

Of course some gay people are promiscuous and some straight people are promiscuous....When I first heard Leslie Gore sing "It's My Party".....I had no idea about her personal life.....still doesn't matter.....same as Queen....I had no idea back then that there are queens and there are Queens......and so on and so on.......

After I saw the play "Yellow Man" in NYC I was walking to the subway by CBS studios and there was a protest march by Muslim Americans......I photographed protesters carrying the following placards:

Media Must Stop Islam - Bashing
Hate Speech Is Not Free Speech
CBS Should Apologize For Offending All Muslims
Jerry Falwel Is A Verbal Terrorist
Stop Bush's War On Iraq National March On Washington October 26th

Tonight's the night....again.....but this time in Toronto for the incomparable Garland Jeffreys at the Horseshoe Tavern at 8:00.....Garland's wife told me at the Jazz Standard where the after show party was held that she is hoping that Jim Cuddy of Toronto's Blue Rodeo will show tonight......It was Blue Rodeo who played with Robbie, Garth and Rick 'cause Levon wouldn't show to Canada's Hall of Fame presentation for The Band.....

Another Band connection....Right at this moment I am burning Band boots for a Canadian Band fan who can't wait to move back to Canada.....

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Jenny T

Does anyone remember the cover of Money from the eighties where a woman with some kind of European accent speaks the words, accompanied sparely with some kind of crashing percussion and maybe a little piano? It's probably not the best cover but at least it was different. It's funny when people cover songs and don't do anything different with them--like the Natalie Merchant "Because the Night" which is not all that different from Patty Smith (or is it Patti?) though both are very good. But that was a live cut and maybe Natalie just loves to sing it. I saw her in '89 and she put on a giant puppet head for part of the concert--did anyone else see one of those shows?

BEG: I didn't mean to imply there is anything wrong with being gay at all, or that gay men are promiscuous. I was just fooling around trying to see how someone could possibly think that song had anything to do with anyone being a lesbian and couldn't, and it seemed slightly more likely (though still very implausible) that it was the GUY who was gay. I was just thinking well in that case he probably is not very happy being married to this woman, and would like to get back to his previous lifestyle, and he had said he had been a cowboy when he was younger. Just being goofy, as per usual.

BWNWIT: Your interpretation of WWDTOPR makes a lot of sense. And I had never paid enough attention I guess to Nobody Knows Me--whenever I heard it I just always thought about how nice it is when someone knows everything about you--when they know how you like your coffee, and what magazine you would want to read on a train and so on. And you know the same about them and you can smoothe the way for each other. But you're right--he has lost his girlfriend over an infidelity and now he's lonely. And nobody around knows how he likes his eggs anymore.

As far as killer covers go, Mystery Train from MM and Don't Do It from anything have to be up there. PV is right that the Neville Bros. With God on Our Side is so good. And what a song for the present day. Aaron sings it more simply than he usually sings, and it's slow and stark and beautiful. That whole album (Yellow Moon) is beautiful, though as I have said before I prefer Rick's A Change Is Gonna Come over Aaron's.

And I have to agree with Ray Pence and say that it galls me all these people on radio and TV who make money by stirring up the booboisie about stupid causes they don't even believe in. Of course they also love to rail about other people's lack of integrity. It would be hard to be more hypocritical. Meanwhile the planet circles the bowl, and other issues that are extremely important get lost in the idiotic screaching. What really kills me is that if you are gonna thump the Bible, the Bible makes it clear that the planet is God's providential creation for all creatures' well-being, requiring excellent and careful stewardship. I guess that would be work though--it's much more fun to worry about other peoples' sex lives.

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roslyn

I'm also a member of "The Church of the Good Hustler"

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Ben Pike

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Bayou Sam

a cover version that SMOKED the original =

Twist and Shout

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rosyln

Subject: Interesting posts today..

I only had one up-close experience with the french. I was working in a cafe down yonder and this whole group of french folks walked in and looked around the place like it wasn't up to their high standards. A beautiful clean little place that was obviously country. Crisp tablecloths and sun shining thru the spic and spanned windows. Great people and Great food. I was the unfortunate one who had to walk over to their table. They spoke french "At" me. When I didn't quite understand what they said they became terribly annoyed, scootched in their seats and eyed one another with "that look" I walked away from their table and we let them sit there till they simply got up and left. I think they must have taken a trip to New Orleans and up the highway everything changed on them. Are they all that way?

Dwight Yoakum did an album of cover versions called "Under The Covers" I heard a song on the car radio that had such a familiar ring to it but I couldn't for the life of me figure out why. It finally dawned on me, "Wichita Lineman". Not nearly as good as Glen Campbell but interesting all the same.

I loved Lyle Lovett's cover of Robert Earl Keen's "This Old Porch"

"This old porch is the Palace Walk-In on the main street of Texas...that's never seen the days of G and R and X's....
... With that '62 poster that's almost faded down....
And a screen without a picture since "Giant" came to town...."

I love The Seldom Scene's versions of "Dreamin of a Little Cabin" and Hank's "House of Gold" and "Pictures From Life's Other Side"

I don't listen to rock music to much. "
Somehow I've learned to listen..... to a sound like the sun goin' down"

Nick - I guess you're just about right. It was a family tradition to vote Democrat. I grew up on welfare, food stamps and three nights a week in that old holiness church. Kinda like the one in "The Apostle". We had no velvet seats. We had a piano with a broken leg that was held up by two ce-ment blocks and an alter that was filled with folks crying out to God. I come from a backwoods place. My Mama speaks in tongues and lays her hands on the sick. When the Democratic party turned into the pro-abortion pro-gay anti-Christ party we left. I can't get any more honest about it than that.

Ray Pence - No one from here has ever asked me to e-mail them before..thanks.

Oh - The party-line thing. We had them. Pennsylvania has the largest rural population of any state in the nation. We had this neighbor that was on our party that constantly gossiped about us on the phone and smiled to our faces. You can certainly find out who your real friends are on a party-line. I think everybody had a different number tho...but the phone kind of buzzed quietly when other people on your line got a call. Some places in the south outside Fort Paine, Alabama for instance, you still have to get hold of an operator to take you out the road.

rosalindrichardson@webtv.net

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Gary

Hey folks check out my stuff on ebay. Search for Ronnie Hawkins , Levon Helm , Rick Danko and The Band. I'm selling my Last Waltz and Reunion Tour video and more. Bids are under $5.00. Thanks

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Fred

I was told oh so many years ago...never confuse the two. French-Canadians have no connection to France...their homeland (motherland/fatherland/the old country...) is Quebec. Ever since the Plains of Abraham (or thereabouts). Hence the rioting that occurred during WW II, in Montreal, when the Canadian Government decided to make conscription obligatory. Many Quebecois fled to the woods..I knew a guy who did so (friend's father). I asked him about it and he said "why should I go die in France when they never did anything for me, my home is Quebec not France".

I even have French-Canadian relatives (through marriage...one of my uncles married into a French-Canadian family) who say, basically, the same thing. Their ancestral home is Canada not France.

Italian-Canadians, on the other hand, will go on and on about the "Old Country" even if they have never visited Italy, can't speak the language (or even the local dialect of their immigrant grandparents) and their only concept of "Italian-ness" comes from The Godfather, Saturday Night Fever, etc.

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brown eyed girl

Limp wristed Canadian Daniel Lanois? I think his wrist was in fine working order while playing guitar or playing back the music he has produced for many musicians including Robbie and Dylan.....Limp wristed Maurice Richard of Montreal Canadians hockey hall of fame? I think his wrist shot was always right on!.....Robbie married a French-Canadian journalist.....He took her by the wrist.....

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Fred

Being the technological equivalent of all thumbs I have no idea how I double posted! I AM SOOO EMBARRASSED. Back to the hockey game...

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Fred

As my French friend tells me (he's from the South of France)..it's the Parisians who are "limp-wristed"..nobody likes them, not even their own countrymen!!! Go figure.

Well back to watching the World Series on TV and listening to the Leafs-Habs game via the internet

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Fred

As my French friend tells me (he's from the South of France)..it's the Parisians who are "limp-wristed"..nobody likes them, not even their own countrymen!!! Go figure.

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paulgodfrey

Subject: J Tull Fan

Don't drop in to the GB all that often. Interested in the Mrs. Henry comment.

In a BAND context Robbie is the one most closely connected with Quebec, Canada. As we know a little of the background of Garth's FRENCH GIRLS one can only guess that he has been close to the subject.

Yes there are some 'limp wristed' French Canadians...even in my own family. But like any family there are some solid individuals that I truly love & respect.

BTW I did my thing for Canadian biligualism and biculturalism. I married Julia...une fille francaise!

shineoneverybodypaulg

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JTull Fan

Subject: Mrs. Henry

Mrs. Henry: You caught that one, didn't you. I was referring to a matter of spine rather than orientation, and I do see a Band/French connection as rather peripheral,at best, particularly since Quebec has wanted out of the Canadian Federation numerous times. That said, apparently I have offended you, and you ask that I apologize. Well, I do. I meant you no offense and I apologize. Please accept it.

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Johnny Flippo

BTW, glad to see, what for all intents and purposes, is "Richard Manuel's Greatest Hits". Having said that, where's "Lonesome Susie", "In a Station", "Jawbone" and "Just Another Whistle Stop"? Perhaps they're waiting for Volume II.

Actually, the compilation reminds me of what I used to do with Beatle records - make a compilation tape of performances by each singer, i.e. the George tape, John tape etc. So, if you were working for this Dutch record company, and it fell on you to compile a Levon record and Rick record, a) what would the title be and, b) list the tracks.

Peace out.

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Johnny Flippo

Subject: Covers

Mr. Viney:

Thanks for reminding me about The Beatles'cover of "Money" (hmmm...perhaps a Scorsese sequel.. "The Cover of Money"). Not only does it do Mr. Strong better, I think it may well be the best rock 'n' roll performance EVER!!!!

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Gene

Thanks, Mr. JTullFan for straightening that out. I think this will end, for good and all, the witch-hunts..."Bumbles is such-and-so" due to the isp #s. It got me to thinking about "party-lines", however. I imagine that you Euros, and younger folks, don't know what exactly that is (was?) but there used to be phone lines, mainly in rural areas, where several different customers had the same phone number, and it was called a 'party-line'. It was usually that one gabby neighbor would tie up the line for hours. If you were really quiet (and nosy) you could listen in! I know that there were still party-lines in the South when I was a little kid and my wife KIND OF remembers them in Pennsylvania...does anybody know if they have 'em anywhere now-a-days?

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BWNWITennessee

Jenny, I figured that the Dick Van Dyke interpretation of "Which Way Does That Old Pony Sashay" was that the man was hurt at being dumped by the woman, so he responded with the kind of lug-headed comment, "Hey, which way does that pony run, baby?", implying that she must be a lesbian if she wasn't interested in a stud like himself. And the line about a "straight shooting gun" probably factored in, too. But I doubt that the person who thought that really paid too much attention to the lyrics. My interpretation of the song is that the man is an old cowboy kind of guy, born and bred in the West, who meets a woman born and raised in the East. She moves out west, domesticates him, puts in in Polo, buys the new car and TV. He gets fed up with her shallowness and decides to leave. The great thing about the song is when he says, "If you're staying out here, then I'm headed back east." He's willing to give up his homeland and all he's known to get away from her. I always pictured the chorus as being him talking to a man about a horse, so to speak, a used horse salesman. He's asking which way it runs because he wants one that's going to run towards the east, away from this life that he's ended up in. He's also asking about a saddle and a gun in order to get back into his old lifestyle, to give up the Armani and the Beamer.

I also love the next song, "Nobody Knows Me." It's so subtle. It begins with him saying that nobody knows him like his baby, as in, she is the best person for him, she can read his mind. But then he has a fling, in Mexico (?), and she finds out. He tries to tell her that it was meaningless, there was nothing to it, but knows better, she can read his mind. Then in the last verse, he says he hates to be alone on Sunday, and nobody knows him like his baby. The line is the same, but this time the "nobody" has transformed into meaning that he is all alone, and he has nobody in his life anymore that understands him like his ex. Awesome. He's a great songwriter. Robbie couldn't write anything like this. Somebody asked me once if the song meant anything, if there was a point to it. Well, I guess not really, unless you pay attention to what he's saying.

Now for an interesting rhetorical question. If that scumbag in Washington DC (the sniper, not that other one) shoots one more person, there's a good chance that this time he will get caught. He probably will get away if he doesn't shoot anybody else. So, do we hope that he does shoot someone else, so that he can get caught, but with another casualty? Or do we hope that nobody else gets shot, knowing that will mean he will probably get away with all of the other murders untouched? I guess the cheating answer would be to say that he tries to shoot someone, but is unsuccessful.

Politics aside, I always thought that George H.W. Bush was just a complete fucking asshole, personality wise. The tone he would get when speaking to the press, and to the nation. He just struck me as being the kind of person that if he was someone you worked with, you would think "What a prick" after he walked away. His son(s) kind of seems the same way, maybe a just little bit less, but he's a complete moron to boot. One of the bad aspects of this administration is that it will make his father go down in history lookin a bit less like an incompitent, do-nothing president, which is what really he was. At work today (overtime), I was in kind of a bad mood (common), and I was thinking (unusual) about what a corporate whore Bush is. So I thought, naturally enough, about whether he would actually literally take it up the butt if a corporation paid him enough money. But then I revised it to, I wonder just how much money a corporation would have to pay him in order for him to take it up the butt. Told you I was in a bad mood.

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Ángel Luis

Subject: Last Waltz DVD

I´m listening to The Last Waltz DVD while writing this. Most of all, reading the lyrics from your site while listening. I´m 44 y.o. and The Last Waltz is one of my favorite records (and movies) since a was a young boy. Time went by so quicky and the Band is gone. Young people never heard about this great group. But, for me, the legend is still alive. Regards from Madrid / Spain

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Ray G

Subject: Great Cover Versions

No insult to Carl Perkins but I choose the Kings take on "Blue Suede Shoes"

As much as I like Buddy Holly & the Crickets... kills me to say it... I prefer the Beatles cover of "Words of Love".

Rosanne Cash singing the Beatles' "I Don't Want to Spoil the Party" (sounds great with the fiddle and hot rod Tele playing)

And the highlight of Moondog Matinee for me is Richard Manuels awsome vocal on "The Great Pretender".

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brown eyed girl

My Girl....Dennis Brown....just as good as The Temptations and Otis Redding but.....different groove.....I had to get this song in Jamaica....First heard this cover when the prince of reggae died....

Brown Eyed Girl....England's reggae group Steel Pulse....just as good as Van's....Van called this song "lunch time" anyway....btw Peter....received my first copy of Wavelength this week....

Sweet Jane....Louuuuu Reed always said that Canadian Cowboy Junkies' cover was the best!....Sure I like it but no one does Louuuu better than Louuuu!

Yeah Calm! You were the first person to answer the Robbie quiz correctly!

Crabgrassssss: Richard Thompson and Garland Jeffreys will be performing in Joisey next month.....Now, will you check him out?....;-D

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Ray Pence

Peter, this is hardly an original choice and I think it may have originated with Zimmerman himself, but Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower" cuts the composer's version. To me Hendrix was one of the top Dylan interpreters, something really clicked there.

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Mrs. Henry

Subject: Jethro Dull & the French

It's funny to me that a frequent poster here can call the French people "limp wristed" and yet he identifies himself with a screen name that refers to a band featuring a lead singer who always pranced around in leotards while playing a phallic flute. With The Band's Canadian and therefore French connection, I think that an apology is in order.

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Peter Viney

Cover versions: cruising through English countryside today with my current CDR featuring Robbie Robertson, Leonard Cohen and The Neville Bros (it flows). Anyway, The Neville Bros version of “With God on Our side” produced by Daniel Lanois got about 4 plays, being apposite for these times. It started me thinking, how rarely does a cover version beat the original. Even with Moondog Matinee, I prefer Lee Dorsey or Sam Cooke’s originals. Discount the early The Band / Dylan ones because The Band versions were released first and are uniformally superior. Some are ties. Otis Redding & The Temptations tie with ‘My Girl’. When does the cover win? A short selection.

‘With God on Our Side’- The Neville Bros beat Dylan hands down.
‘Money’ – The Beatles beat Barrett Strong (or The Rolling Stones or Bern Elliot or The Hawks or Levon Helm solo).
‘It’s All Over Now’ – The Rolling Stones beat Bobby Womack.
‘Blind Willie McTell’ – 90s Band beat Dylan.
‘Powderfinger’- The Cowboy Junkies beat Neil Young.
‘Shake’ - Otis Redding beats even Sam Cooke.
‘Louie Louie’- The Kingsmen beat Richard Berry.
What about some other winning covers?

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Ray Pence

Good afternoon,

I'll add the Kansas City Star to the list of newspapers with an obvious (to me) bias in favor of reactionary politics.

Also, before I forget, since I don't think it's in the spirit of the Band guestbook to address politics excessively, I'll include my e-mail if anyone wants to have a dialogue.

Rosalind, I love the Straight Story too, so if you e-mail me we can talk about that along with arguing. JTull fan, you always present forceful cases and I like conversing with people who do that.

The one comment I would like to make after looking at the Drudge Report today, the reactionary version of the National Enquirer, is that I believe that it, like other reactionary media voices (Fox News, for example), attracts a good portion of its audience by playing the victimization game. Story after story throws a fit over how those big, bad, mean feminists/liberals/PC police are making life unbearable for the oppressed white middle classes who represent the real America. It's a shrewd tactic and I have a certain admiration for those who are using it to get richer, like Coulter, Drudge, and O'Reilly. I seriously doubt if those three believe a fraction of the BS they peddle but they know how to push the buttons of those who do.

Speaking of button pushing, Will there be a virtual reality Last Waltz DVD in the works complete with all you can eat cranberry sauce and all you can snort Peruvian? That's probably asking a bit much but it might not be beyond Mr. Robertson's resources.

rpence3@sunflower.com

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Bayou Sam

Dexy = thanks so much for posting that link to the George Harrison video piece. It was terrific.

can't wait for the CD.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Doh!

I can confirm, and I think Ben will be happy to as well, that we are NOT the same person. Of course, Ben COULD be my evil, separated at birth, twin Skippy. Kind of like the mirror universe on Star Trek, where Spock had the beard.

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Ray G

Subject: George Harrison Link... Thanks Dexy

Dexy

Enjoyed the George Harrison video trailer very much, thanks for posting the link!!! Looking forward to his new CD in November.

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Gene

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John D

Well.....I've now listened to TLW Audio DVD twice. What would I do if I were you and owned a DVD machine. BUY IT! Yes just buy it! I know you already own TLW a few times. You will never hear it like this anywhere. The 5.1 sound immerses you right in the middle of the group.

At first you think it's just too much. I was; for the first time, "surrounded" in sound. No pun intended. I asked my wife to sit in my chair which is kind of right in the middle of things and she was blown away as members of The Band just came flying out of the 4 corners of the room and down the middle and over your dead.........dizzy man.

I felt almost a little tired after listening to it; because it was so foreign to me. It's not like listening to a 5.1 soundtrack from a film. This is right in your face. I think now I will buy the Aaron Neville "Devotion" Audio DVD. I'm not sure how it will sound. The TLW material had to be great to work from, especially the studio stuff is brilliant to listen to in 5.1

Oh.......did I say buy it!

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Gene

What's the deal with 205.188.208.137? Either a party-line or a multi-personality.

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Calvin

Jenny, before the Hawks backed up Dylan they backed up John Hammond Jr. You cant still get the Album they played on at most Borders. It isnt bad, I rarely play it myself, but I own it for historical sake. Frankly there are a few other albums I prefer when I decide to listen to White Kids playing the Blues from the mid 60s. Hammond recently did an album of Tow Waite covers, which Waite himself produced, its quite good.

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Harry & Mim

Subject: ABC - FZ "Band Related?"

Jon:

Yes, FZ is "Band related' because I believe to my soul that ALL THE BAND would agree with his quote.

In addition, and on a more tenuous (but factual) note sometime FZ drummer Billy Mundi was present (and potentially involved) with the recording sessions for "Moondog Matinee." Furthermore, FZs' many and various musical influences included blues and r&b greats that were not unappreciated by The Band.

Mim & Harry

"Well my mama told me there'd be days like these."

George Ivan ("Van") Morrison

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Pat Brennan

Gentle Giant. Incredibly talented. Combined loud prog passages with mintrel-like acoustic breakdowns, long before Nirvana aped Boston and supposedly invented rock dynamics. Song titles like "The Advent of Panurge". Fantastic live. The guitarist, Gary Greene, married a lady from central Illinois and moved there in the late 80's. A wonderful guy. I kinda doubt most Band fans would like the group, but I loved them. Of course, I saw Beck and the Flaming Lips last night and loved them too. Amanda, Wayne Coyne and his pranksters are still burning bright. And Beck has transmogrified into a tortured singer-songwriter.

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Nick

Back to music. I got word that the "Danko" import is on the way. Get it while it's hot. I doubt it will be available much longer.

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Gene

Subject: John Hammond Jr connexion (con't)

...also, Charlie Musselwhite, harmonica

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Gene

Jenny T - 'So Many Roads' album (1965), on Vanguard CD #VMD 79178, has Hammond, vocals, guitar; JRR, guitar; Levon, drums; Garth Hudson, Hammond organ; Michael Bloomfield, piano; Jimmy Lewis, bass. Check it out.

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Dexy

Subject: VNR on new George LP

Link above should take you to a new video piece on George Harrison's new CD. Nice piece.

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brown eyed girl

I heard another cover of Brown Eyed Girl.....this time punk cover by Green Day....The Clash as always would have done a better version.....

Robbie on Tour '74 with Dylan and Rolling Thunder Revue : "Tour '74 was hard work, just the intensity of the music was so high that it was really straining. Whenever Bob sings with The Band he wants to get an energy level out of it, or I don't know, not necessarily wants to but he does, end up singing things and it's like Thunder and Mountains," Robbie makes some expansive gestures, "you know, screaming at the gods in the sky and everything is so high-pitched, such intensity and energy. I mean, we can certainly do that but we can do a bunch of other things too, and we didn't get to that. I think that his anticipation and nervousness on that tour didn't allow for any laid-back stuff and we do lots of that. We didn't do any of that on Tour '74, it was really like a train going by and I missed that, all those different moods.......Rolling Thunder was extraordinary, everyone told me they had a really good time and it was loose and it was fun and it was nice to do something without having a gun at the back of your head.".....

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Jenny T

You know it makes more sense if the speaker is a gay guy, who realized he doesn't want hetero "riches" and prefers his old "cowboy" lifestyle.

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roslyn

Subject: Newspapers

I'm not looking for a thoughtless right wing newspaper. I get most of my news from C-Span and the Fox News program " The Factor" and the internet sources. I'm also not a radical right-winger. I'm an Independant. I voted for Mr. Bush in the last election for the same reason I voted for his father in the election before. To try and keep that morally bankrupt, disingenuous Clinton administration out of office. They were so transparent and brazen in their coruption yet not many Americans were able to see thru the facade. I found that to be bizarre. I am pro-life. That had a big thing to do with this last electon for me. Actually I see loads of corruption on both sides. I Am Not Blind.

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Jenny T

BWNWIT: Hmmmmm. I am still trying to figure out how Which Way Does that Old Pony Run could be interpreted as a lesbian song. I kinda thought it was about a guy who got married or otherwise domesticated and then realized he and the woman had completely different values and so wanted to hit the road. ("What's riches to you just ain't riches to me.") But we all hear what we want to hear half the time I guess! I wonder how Lyle figured it.

Here is an actual Band related question: The other night my husband and I were watching Austin City Limits and John Hammond Jr. was on doing Tom Waits songs. He didn't do any of my favorites but it was good. Anyway, my husband asked me what is the John Hammond Jr./Band connection and I had to admit I have no clue though I think there is one since I remember he was in the biography. So I know all you Band experts can fill me in, can't you?

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Ragtime

Hey Peter? Am I right or... am I right...?

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Jenny T

The LA Times is still a pretty good newspaper, though maybe not as great as it used to be. If you are looking for a thoughtlessly right wing newspaper to cater to your world view, try the Cincinnati Enquirer. I can't deal with it at all, but when I mentioned this at church one of our older members said he does find it useful for raising his blood pressure in the morning. I still miss the Times and also the Boston Globe.

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roslyn

That notoriously leftist rag! No wonder you have bullshit on the brain.

I'll Never forget Howard Rosenberg's nonsense about President Bush's body language as he was getting off Air Force One and walking across the lawn the day of terrorist attacks. "Even his body language seems troubling" Rosenberg snottily remarked. "He looks like a little freckle-faced boy who wishes he were somewhere else" "Kind of like Howie" Tell me, What kind of a dog would say that about the leader of a nation on the darkest day of it's life?

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Ben Pike

Speaking of the Times, Dylan's shows at the Wilturn have gotten some great reviews, he's doing a Warren Zevon song, "End Of The Innocence" and "Brown Sugar(!)".

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Donna

Congratulations to Albert Rogers & Christine! Wishing you both a life time of happiness together!

Albert is the bass player, and along with Randy Ciarlante, vocalist for the Jim Weider Band.

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Jon

Subject: ABC

"Frank Zappa RIP"-- Was he Band related too?

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John D

Subject: Moon Strucj One

More details. I've seen this Disky Label before.

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Bonnie

Subject: Bob Dylan Memorabilia

Last week while visiting my mother on Minnesota's iron range I saw an article in the local paper about a collection of Bob Dylan artifacts that I thought might interest some of you. According to the Hibbing, Mn. librarian hundreds of people come to the town each year "to see where Dylan spent his boyhood." This led to what is commonly called the Dylan Project. So far the collection includes about "2,000 magazine and newpaper articles, 22 collector posters, 50 albums, 40 compact discs and 45 rpm record in their original sleeves; publicty photographs, sheet, music and script; and a 1959 Hibbing High School year book (graduation picture) that is kept in a vault." While the collection is not generally on public view, parts are displayed as a rotating exhibit. The collection is available to the public. No I did not go see it.

Change of subject,traveling back to Virginia, I sat next to a person on her way to Amsterday to see the reunion concert of the remaining members of the Gentle Giant. I must confess I never heard of them. But when I looked at the web site for the group I found they are a progressive rock band from the 1970's. And according to their web site there were no plans for a reunion concert. I am sure somebody out there can fill me in on this group.

BR

Hello to Marsden in Twig, Mn. I remembered your name as I passed through your town.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Fred,

You make some good points in your last post. I think the Saudis and Pakistanis are a huge part of the problem. Unfortunately, we had to cooperate with the Pakistani's in the war on terror, and the Saudi's are in a strategic position (unfortunately). Hopefully, as things progress we can extricate us on relying upon either. The Paki's with the bomb is frightening. In terms of removing Hussein during the Gulf War, Bush Sr. was following the letter of the U.N. mandates, which was convenient as the fear was chaos and a long U.S. commitment to restore order. It seemed wise to excersise that restraint at the time, in hindsight it was a lost opportunity. You're right, we did support Hussein against Iran, which also made sense at the time, but as Kissinger said, too bad both sides couldn't lose.

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Fred

It seems to me that people (the public, the media even politicians) tend to forget that the terrorists who attacked the WTC were Saudis and Osama Bin Laden is a Saudi AND that IRAQ while being a "rogue" state is NOT a fundamentalist Arab nation albeit a secular one (and that Saddam Hussein was funded by the US during its war with Iran around 2 decades ago)

The opportunity to take out Saddam was there during the Gulf War, why wasn't it done?

I think by turning its attention towards Iraq, the US is loosing sight of its main objective in the "War On Terrorism" (cue the nightly news soundtrack) which is to eradicate al Qaeda (and their ilk)

This is only my opinion...unfortunately I don't get paid the big bucks to espouse it (like those who appear on Tv do. damn I knew I should have majored in PoliSci!!)

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John D

John I don't know how may times I can say this. John I am not ignorning the way it is being handled. I believe President Bush makes a point when the United Nations won't act based on the many years of Iraq not coming clean. I found that after September 11 and the U.S. went into Afghanistan, it was absolutely the right thing to do. You can not allow people to come in and kill your citizens and not do anything about it. That would be a so Neville Chamberlain. I just don't know how many other countries the U.S. can take on at one time. Now it's Iraq......North Korea is cueing up. One has to be careful not to spread one's self too thin. Anyway.....anything I say ain't gonna change things.

Let me be clear on one thing. The botton line is thatI believe Canada should......back the final decision of the United States. Canada should be in it as England is and Australia is coming on line.....New Zealand etc. The commonwealth countries should stand with America. Let's face it.......if North America were attacked it would be America taking care of us. I'm not proud of that; since our soldiers were so bloody great in WWII. Since then our military has fallen badly. Back to the music for me. I'm tired and I just broke my Mother's golden rule about Religion and Politics again.

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bob wigo

Pat, not to mention the fries, the cuffs, the kisses, those great Eiffel Tower lamps and paperweights, mayonnaise, the toast, the onion soup....I could go on and on. I think you're right. We still have a little left on the tab.

Band Connection - Well I just finished playing drums along with Levon and the rest of the boys and for that short while there's a good place for me to be.

Peace.

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Harry & Mim

Subject: ALL BAND CONTENT ("ABC") Idea

Friends:

Would it be asking too much of you folks to mark all TOTALLY without Band content posts as "NBC" in the "Subject (optional)" area of the Guestbook entries?

Not that we aren't interested in hearing your comments\ideas\rantings on other subjects; however, topics other than those specific to The Band (or other related musicians/music) might find more ready acceptance in another forum (and spare a few minutes (or more)) for those folks who read the GB for the information it was (we believe) originally intended for.

The key here might be Jans' request for "Your comments on the Band and/or their web site".

Don't mean to sound snotty here to folks with good intentions who appreciate GREAT MUSIC. Time is real valuable to ALL OF US, and when reading anywhere on Jans' GREAT WEBSITE, we're kinda lookin' for information on The Band.

Mim & Harry

MUSIC IS THE GREATEST.

Frank Zappa RIP

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Pat Brennan

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bob wigo

Brenns, if I owe them mine you had best get on up in the on-deck circle.

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Peter Viney

To be fair, in between those horrendously arch renditions of "Chastity Belt … nonny nonny …" the old folk clubs did have their fair share of people doing parodies: the rude version of "Galway Bay" springs to mind (On her back she has tattooed a map of Ireland … and when she takes her bath on Saturday … She rubs the Sunlight soap around by (Clodagh???) … just to watch the suds roll down by Galway Bay …) - Hank, do you know the rest of that one?

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Pat Brennan

I have no doubt that many if not most here are all for ridding the world of Saddam. What I find troubling about this whole thing is the hamfisted approach this administration is taking, which has basically destroyed any worldwide goodwill built up by the heinous 9/11 attack. The administration seems incapable of making a strong case for going to war and appears even less able to craft a vision of a post-Saddam Iraq. If you don't think this is treacherous territory, consider the pummelling Mushareff took in the latest Pakistani election. His party gets trounced while a fundmentalist Islamic organization that barely existed five years ago becomes the third most powerful party in the nation. Meet the new Iraq, same as the old Iraq.

I also find it odd that as we are about to enter a new phase of this terror war, we are being warned that al Queda is all set to launch new attacks, while the president prepares to depart on a two week, taxpayer-funded election swing. There's a disconnect that is unappealing.

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Peter Viney

Bassmanlee - and let's not forget the immortal parodies of Donovan along the lines of "Ah, but I can only… try and pass the wind …", but maybe "Hey darling tangerine eyes, play a song for me …" was as much of a parody as anyone could do!

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John W.

John D - Sorry if I offended but I was put off by the Newman lyrics. Sure it's a cute song and the stupid mentality expressed therein is dangerous. I don't think, however, that the views expressed by the idiot in the song are representative of Americans. Yet this is the way we are being perceived and the image is being perpetuated. Again, if the U.S. wanted to just unilaterally rush in and bully its way around, it would have and could have done so already. They are painstakingly trying to win support from the community of nations and act as a coalition. Why do you ignore this fact.

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bassmanlee

Subject: Humorous "folk" lyrics

Peter, your story of the humorous folkie made me recall a fellow I saw a few times in the early seventies named George Gerdes. He was from Boston, I believe, and used to do parody versions of songs as part of his act - often in the voice of the original artist. "Your Sore Veins" directed at then-druggie James Taylor ("I bet you have some cocaine inside them, don't you, don't you").

Neil Young, "Disk of Gold":
"I've been to Hoboken, I've had my nose broken,
I keep recording for that Disk of Gold,
I've has some lucky breaks, my f***ing back aches,
I keep on hoping for that Disk of Gold...
but I'm gettin' sold"...

I take a lotta' pills, I snort with Steve Stills, Think David Crosby is a son-of-a-bitch, But he's gettin' rich..." etc.

The most hilarious part of his act was doing Dylan's "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere" (after pointing out that "this is the first time Mr. Dylan has successfully rhymed 'come' with 'chair'") in THREE different Dylan voices - after an introduction, a la Concert for Bangladesh, by George Harrison, who in turn was introduced by Ed Sullivan.

Gerdes made two records for United Artists, "Obituary", and "Son of Obituary". Neither contained any of his parody songs, although many of his songs did not contain a certain amount of sophmoric wit, as the album titles imply. "My Intellectual Baby" I recall as a highlight. ("She don't like teenage parties, she says that they're Philistine, she says it's essential to be existential when she's out with a boy like me.")

I see from his web site (above) that he has gone on to be a fairly successful actor, and has a new record out.

(A totally irrelevant post, but at least it contained no politics!)

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Markku (Quos)

3. CD 4 of The Last Waltz box feels like it never ends?
a) yes
b) yes

4. the definitive The Band box will contain:
a) a complete concert with The Hawks in 1964, in good sound quality
b) remixes of various Robbie tracks in 1998
c) mostly a mix of the above.
d) none of the above.

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Don Pugatch

Ok, need the full scope of a way aye man, have listened to the lastest MK, Ragpickers Dream and just so impressed with MK, but with all the Brits on this site, need the story about this exodus from Gordie land.

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John D

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Markku (Quos)

Hats off to John D's post.

OK, I'm drunk but... this is an important poll:

1. was Out Of The Blue really one the great The Band songs ever:
a) yes.
b) no.
c) yes, but ruined by Robbie singing the lead

2. The Weight live on The Last Waltz concert was actually superior to the version with The Staples?
a) yes.
b) yes.
c) yes.

I do not want to be partial but the correct answers are a) and c).

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JTull Fan

Subject: Richmond

John, you are right. The U.S. should have joined the fight much sooner, and that is my point THIS time. Those against us going into Iraq now are the same countries you are defending in terms of us not helping THEN. We learned our isolationist lesson in WWII and on 9/11 and now we are condemned for it. And in terms of John Wayne mentality, what about the Brits and French at the Suez Canal? I believe it was the U.S. that called them off, and I don't see Arab appreciation fr that!

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bob wigo

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Peter Viney

I don't know about the worst, but John D definitely gets my vote for the BEST. Quoting great Randy Newman at an apposite time, introducing TLW DVD-Audio AND defending the Commonwealth's lone stand between September 1939 and December 1941 (which I make more than two years). Before anyone knocks the French in WW2, you'd have to go and travel their trail between 1914 and 1918, then 1939-45, which none of us here did. Every street corner I see in France has a plaque to resistance fighters who got shot there by the Nazis. With all due respect, that didn't happen in Kansas City. I won't even go into the casualty rate per WEEK during the Blitz in 1940-41 in Britain.

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John D

That's a very, very cheap shot John W....therefore instead of being mature about this as I have been in the past with people like you and.............. it is Friday.......let me sink to YOUR level.

I wonder how many people in Poland, Eastern Europe, England, France, you name it are laughing about the fact that it took 2 years for the Americans to get off their ass and join WWII as they lost their lives with bombing night after night after night after night. That war was was not over in an hour and a half by the way and yes..... I know time is not a factor....... but I just thought I would mention it anyway.........SINCE i HAVE SUNK TO YOUR LEVEL FOR THIS ONE OCCASION!!!

As Canada and the rest of the free world took on Hitler, all you heard was.....hey it's not our business. Pearl Harbor was a terrible day; but if it weren't for that... Adolph would be living in Monicello if the folks at the time had their way. There.....Now I've written without thinking and your right John W....it does feel good to post without thinking first.

The idea that I don't feel for the American people shows you haven't been around this guestbook long enough. Do your homework on people before you mouth off with imature statements like that!!! I do believe in retaliation. I was 100% behind going into Afghanistan. However I have never liked the John Wayne mentality about war and if it's your thing then sign up. Let's just make sure that it's the last resort.....not hoo haw let's have a shoot 'em up.

On a more pleasant note Pat....I believe I'm listening in surround sound. My DVD machine is over a year old and I know the new one's actually have a special "something" to hear this Audio DVD at it's maximum.

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bob wigo

Pat, based on everything that has happened since, between the Americans and the French, I think we can all lay our heads down at night secure in the fact that debt has been paid.

Next.

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sadavid

Subject: remerciements, ruminants, ruminations

Belated thanks to Peter Viney for deconfusing me on the use of "anorak." I guess it's no wonder the term has no currency here in the colonies, with an origin in such a definitively British institution as trainspotting. I shudder to think of the fate of the trainspotter transplanted to North America - perennial #1 on the charts whether the list is of victims, or of suspects....

"Cows With Guns" is a rare gem of hilarity; I've heard it a couple of times on the dear old CBC, which is diminished from its resource-rich days, and mostly talk, but still the only place on AM radio to hear anything other than mass-market mush. And the Sat afternoon magazine show had, maybe still has, a fairly regular feature from Rob Bowman examining various aspects in pop music history. To my taste, he comes across better in audio than in print (based on pink and brown, where I found the notes a bit...flat). I used to listen to CBC a lot until I discovered that "campus radio" had returned - both our local universities have low-power FM transmitters. DJs have free rein and there's usually something worthwhile on one or the other. E.g. yesterday T-Bone Walker, Jimmy Rodgers, Hank Williams back to back to back. The stuff kids today listen to!

Accepting the wisdom of Peter (is there anything the dude don't know?)Viney's recent post, it seems that the as-yet-vaporware JRR box-set-to-(maybe)-be will not be a paying proposition. So it's a vanity thing, or a legacy thing, or an artist's honest attempt to provide a proper setting for masterworks, and, perhaps, studies. My selfish hope was for separate issues of low-price discs, with a companion book for the photos and notes (I want mine from JRR - what better source / writer / raconteur could you hope for?). That way, I and others of the credit-trapped ilk could work the bloody thing into the budget. But such a scheme wouldn't work as a vehicle for the above motivations, and it probably wouldn't fly from a corporate point of view - too many SKUs.

Thanks for the space.

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Pat Brennan

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SteveH

Subject: Both the Best and the Worst

Both the best and the worst of America on display in the Guestbook lately. (Randy Newman is among the best.) Anyone who thinks Russian and French policies are motivated by purely oil and economic concerns while the U.S. isn't needs to take a closer look at U.S. policy in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq over the years. We've got no right to lecture others on letting oil influence their policy. As for enforcing UN mandates, we'll only do it when it's in our interest, why should we expect anything else from other countries?

To make this Band-related, I was listening to my "Best of Garth" tape on the way to work today and got to the live version of Rag, Mama, Rag. For years I thought the lyrics were, "A Salty Dog, a Steady Mouse, you can rag mama rag all over my house." I still kinda like it that way.

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bob wigo

The most unfortunate aspect of a U.S. government that sees war as the first option is that the rest of the world tends to paint our entire populace with the same broad brush. I do hope our friends here from neighboring countries aren't falling into that trap. Not everyone here endorses those viewpoints.

Conversely,the point of JTull's last post is rock solid. Can anyone of our world neighbors, beyond the Brits, honestly claim to have even pretended to repay their debt to the U.S.?

John D., will you be quoting Ray Davies next in the interest of equal time?

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Pat Brennan

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John W.

John D. - That's quite amusing. Randy Newman. Wonder if the people killed in New York, Washington, Pennsylvania and Bali would be laughing if they were alive to read it.

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John D

Today I received a copy of TLW Audio DVD. It contains the original 30 tracks plus a photo gallery, Album essay and Lyrics. Oh yes 3 ways to listen to it. 1. Advanced resolution stereo. 2. ADV. Res 6-channel surround sound. 3. DVD-Video Compatible Dolby Stereo. What does this all mean?

I immediately tuned to "The Weight" with the Staple Singers. It was one of the studio takes. Suddenly from the rear right speaker came Robbie's Opening Guitar. Later Mavis Staples was behind me with Garth's organ swirling in front of me. You get the picture. I was surrounded by THE BAND. For a moment I thought I had died and gone to Band heaven. Then someone came to the door as I was listening to TLW Theme. I'm going to listen to it all and report back. However it is either the greatest sounding Band recording I have ever heard or it is fabulous spectacle. Remember quad? Remember early Stereo with one vocalist in one speaker and one in the other. I have to make up my mind if this is blowing me away or there's some sound trickery going on. Either way......I look forward to hearing my first Audio CD DVD right through. I will admit I'm hearing stuff I have never heard before......OR I'm hearing it the way it should be for the first time. I still feel that Robertson could have put the extra tracks on this one for the 5.1 effect.

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Bones

On the cover of the life section in today's USA Today newspaper is a picture of the cover of The Last Waltz. Evidently, Rhino is going to release it on vinyl again in a special collector's edition.

David Powell: You are the first person I thought of when I read it.

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John D

No one likes us-I don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens

We give them money-but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us-so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them

Asia's crowded and Europe's too old
Africa is far too hot
And Canada's too cold
And South America stole our name
Let's drop the big one
There'll be no one left to blame us

We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an All American amusement park there
They got surfin', too

Boom goes London and boom Paree
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world round
Will just be another American town
Oh, how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free
You'll wear a Japanese kimono
And there'll be Italian shoes for me

They all hate us anyhow
So let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now

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Bill

Al: I'm glad your wife appreciates me. What does she think of Gordon? And how DO you pronounce 'scouse'?

Bettye: I looked for a long time for the Corky Laing book which doesn't seem to be in general distribution. I found mine at Page One Books (or at least I think that's the name) on Queen West in Toronto. But I don't think that does you much good. Maybe you'll have to try the internet, or order through a decent book store (i.e., the kind that knows how to, and is willing to, order books in print from publishers - sadly a dying breed).

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Pat Brennan

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John W.

In China if you travel abroad they won't even let you take more than a little bit of money because they don't want you to spend it in other countries.

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JTull Fan

Subject: U.N

With all due respect, I do think the events of 9/11 and ongoing threats to my country's security justify taking our defense needs into our own hands. War does have its' justifications, especially when the U.N is too ineffective to enforce its' own resolutions. I do not think the Russians opposed U.S. intervention against the Nazis, or the Chinese when we defended them against the Japanese, nor the limp-wristed French when we saved them from the Germans twice.

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Richard

Well Fred, I'm glad I brought my Band CDs : ).

Things are going well. I DO miss all my toys (hi-fi, video, TV, etc.), but after 7 weeks here, I am beginning to like many of the cultural quirks. The food is great, and there is absolutely no status to be gained by buying the COOL brand of anything. People here don't think twice about buying only things that are functional. I can flash my credit cards around, but nobody takes 'em. It's a pure cash society. Everything is cheap and geared to survival at subsistence level. Sanitation, polution and population are a problem.

Missing St Paul St is not a factor since I discovered that the beer here is better and cheaper than the U.S. (if not Canada - oh no, shades of "Canadian Bacon" :-).

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Fred

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Peter Viney

Richie - I bought one at the gig too - he talked about it a lot and it helped set the track list for the show.

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Richard

Subject: Masters of War

J TULL: Much as I love my former neighbours to the south (the US), I must stoutly diagree with your last post. It is indeed the United States who needs a good ass kicking. Obviously, as traumatic as September 2000's attack on the US was, it was not spectacular enough to give the US any pause when it comes to meddling in the affairs of other nations.

The US would like to make private decissions (outside of United Nations Council Decissions) reguarding who they go to war with, but they would also like other countries (like Israel for example) to stay out of their way and not get involved (i.e. not excercise the same right to wage war against whomever they feel like, that the U.S. seems to believe is it's birthright).

Although Russia is waivering in it's support of Bush's hard-on to attack Iraq, China and Germany are both opposed to a U.N. resolution which threatens war agianst Iraq as it's bottom line. The U.K.'s Tony Blair is indeed a sad case. He's got his nose so far up Bush's ass, he's got to be Pinnochio... After his staunch support for the Bush War campaign, the rest of the world must wonder why he doesn't hire his buddy Bush to step in and quickly resolve his Irish problems with a suitable display of violence.

Oh well, politics : )

DISCLAIMER: BTW J TULL: I do not think that war is a suitable solution to any problem... but use a little bit of restraint before you step in and present us with a list of countries who deserve their asses kicked, will ya? (sheesh). Get your head out of the sand indeed...

J Tull Fan said: "N. Korea, China, and Russia DO need a good A**--kickin' to varying degrees. Unfortunately, all three have the bomb, which is the point of this whole Iraq-thing."

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bob wigo

I apologize for my misunderstanding the financial aspects of the topic I commented on. I stand corrected. Thanks Peter for setting it straight.

I received my copy of "Whispering Pines" yesterday and gave it a good listen last night. God bless and keep you Richard and Rick. Your hearts and souls live on in the music you gave us.

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John D

BEG.....I gave Paul my e-mail address to give to you.

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Gilberta Iman

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Hank

Subject: Summer of '69!

FREEBIRD!

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JTull Fan

Subject: A**_Kickin'

Ray: N. Korea, China, and Russia DO need a good A**--kickin' to varying degrees. Unfortunately, all three have the bomb, which is the point of this whole Iraq-thing. We don't want them to be able to blackmail us once they have it.So, we deal with them now before they have it, and we adobt varying measures against the others. With Russia, we try to increasingly integrate them into the West, which is working. They are about to permanently join the G-8, increasingly work with Nato in a formal manner, and oppose us less and less in other areas. With China, they have been brought into the WTO and other organizations. All these efforts to greater and lesser degrees have served to stabilize them on the world stage. North Korea is a rogue state, and has little incentive not to use or trade its' weapons of mass destruction. They have missiles which can or almost can reach the continental U.S. and can threaten our allies. Our main leverage with them is food. We should use the carrot and stick approach. Hand over your bombs and scientists, and we will help feed you and bring you into the world community. Hold onto them, and go to bed without your supper, all of you, and for a long time. Ironically, the Iraq issue has more to do with oil from a Russian and French perspective than from the U.S. one. Because of French and Russian oil deals with Iraq, they are reluctant to see Saddam go and lose these lucrative development deals. The Russians, whose economy depends on oil, fears if Saddam goes, oil prices will PLUMMET and damage their economic interests, which they place above world security at this point.

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brown eyed girl

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rich

Subject: ryan adams/tenuous band link and kinks bits

if you look at the back cover of ryan adams's gold album youll see 2 small stacks of vinyl records on top of a bed. look carefully at the stack on the right. the cover of the record on top of this pile is just about visible. its non other than the band's brown album. mr adams might be a complete wanker at times but hes got great taste in music, and is immensly talented. strangers almanac by whiskeytown is great. i love gold too even if as someone said earlier its a bit derivative. im listening to queens of the stone age'songs for the deaf as i write this.great band. they do a fantastic kinks cover of wholl be the next in line on the new ray davies tribute this is where i belong. i dont like tribute albums as a rule but this ray davies one is the bees knees. the songs covered are not the obvious chestnuts. have a good day everyone.rich

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Crabgrass

Happy Birthday Chuck Berry!! (76 today) Hail, Hail Rock 'n' Roll!

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Fred

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Markku (Quos)

Subject: Ryan Adams

I can easily see Ryan acting as a major jackass (he has been responding to those "Summer Of 69" requests in various, more or less funny ways in *all* concerts I've attended during the years), but one has to admit he is a major talent.

Those unfamiliar with his music, pick up Whiskeytown's "Strangers Almanac" to hear him at his very finest. I would also sacrifice my all post-Brown album The Band records just to hear the song "Oh My Sweet Carolina" (a duet with the one and only Emmylou Harris).

(OK, I was kidding about sacrificing my The Band albums. But it's a great song anyways)

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roslyn

Tennessee - Tell me... What exactly do you do with those three asexual cats. I tried to have one of them once.... He just sat there with a peculiar look on his face and his head cocked to one side. The bowling ball is nice tho.. Feels kinda like riding a tombstone on a real hot day.

Officer Wood: Do you know where the coolest spot in town is Deloris?
Deloris: Well No Sam, I guess I don't...
Officer Wood: The Semetary, that's were.... Ever lay out on a tombstone Deloris.. Feel all that nicce coool ma'ble on yo' body?...

Jer - Thanks..

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Fred

Roz: Embarrassingly I will raise my hand high in the air and say I too used to sing that line from Lucille about the four hundred children! No wonder she left the guy!! I guess they couldn't afford a TV!

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roslyn

I just always loved that line in "Walbash Cannonball" Very saddened to hear about the passing of Pete Kirby. "Os" to his friends, and Bashful Brother Oswald to the rest of the world.

John D. Thanks for that tip on "Kindred Spirits". It sounds like it belongs in my cabinet.

Jenny T. Funny stuff about the misundestood lyrics. My sister-in-law was singin' that Kenny Rogers song "Lucille" one afternoon in the car years ago. I heard her sing "You picked a fine time to leave me Lucille, With four-hundred children and a crop in the field" I was surprised to find out that Jimi Hendrix wasn't really singing " 'Scuse me while I kiss this guy"

Hey, Maybe it wouldn't have been so bad afterall if the Reagan right had followed through, and as Pike says "strangled" "artists" back yonder. We wouldn't have three-year-old babies going around the house grabbing their crotches. Wasn't Tipper Gore on that bandwagon? I respected her stand on that.

Oh - VH-1 is carrying a show tonite. Two Pennsylvania murderers and seven other convicts in Concert! One of the murderers killed two teenage girls and the other murderer broke into a elderly woman's house and did some things that I don't want to write down. I'm sure many impressionable youngsters will undoubtedly tune into that show and VH-1 of course will scrape in the bloody-bucks.

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brown eyed girl

I'm really enjoying the boot of The Band at Roosevelt Stadium because of the sound quality and Robbie's licks.....The Band At Hollywood Bowl was a disappointment for me.....only really like "Don't Do It".....It seems this is the one song that is generally well recorded on various boots......

I bought two Elliott Landy photo books while in NYC.....:-DD....Photography and music and blah, blah, blah and tasty spicy food.......feeds my mind....soul.....heart.....

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Fred

I've been flipping through Rolling Stone (the Keith Richards on the cover issue) and in the Readers' 100 greatest records of all time there is nary a Band one mentioned!! Come on..IS Mellon Collie and The Infinite Sadness by the Smashing Pumpkins REALLY better than Big Pink or the Brown album (or any other work by The Band)?!?!?!? Someone right a letter to the editor (I can't, kinda busy now...)

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The Grim Tennessear

Today has seen the loss of both Chieftan Harpist (and Larry "Bud" Melman impersonator) Derek Bell and Roy Acuff cohort Bashful Brother Oswald.

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BWNWITennessee

Subject: This, that, 'n the other. And then some more.

I've fashioned a link to the review of America's favorite new sack of talent, Ryan Adams', recent show in Nashville's venerable Ryman Auditorium. I was not in attendance. But it seems that after someone yelled out a request for "Summer of '69," young Mr. Adams began swearing profusely, stopped the show, demanded that the house lights be turned up, then demanded that audience members single out who had made the request. When they did, he jumped offstage, gave the perpetrator $30, and demanded that he leave the theater, and stated that the show would not continue until he did. Fortunately, the manager relocated the offender to the balcony, unbknownest to second-rate Bryan, and the surrealism continued. I won't give all details, as they're in the article, but they include reading a book onstage and singing along to a tape recording of "Like A Virgin." Seems as if Mr. Adams is letting all of the critical aclaim for his incredibly hackneyed and derivative talents get to his head.

Myself, I lost any respect for him after I saw him after a Richard Thompson show at 12th and Porter. The venue has the stage on one side, a bar on the other. Upon leaving the show, Ryan was spotted on the bar side, surrounded by a few groupies. How somebody can be twenty feet away from the performance of an actual skillful musician and be oblivious to it is beyond me. (At least I think it was him. The early-'70s Keef knock-offs are springing up like wildfire lately.) But for someone who hates Nashville so much, it's interesting that he's signed to a Nashville-based label, publishing company and management agency, and spends so much free time hanging out at 12th & P.

Finally, I noticed that there's a song on his new CD, "Demolition" (a career reference, perhaps?) called "Tennessee Sucks." What the f*ck did I ever do to him?! ;-)

JennyT, one time when I saw Lyle Lovett perform he mentioned people that interpret songs in ways the writer hadn't intended, and said that someone once complimented him on the lesbian song - it took him awhile to figure out they were talking about "Which Way Does That Old Pony Run"!

Gilberta - Butch done called it a day.

The whole idea of having handguns so that you can form a militia to overthrow the gov't. is ludicrous in this day and age. Any group that is able to defeat the U.S.'s stealth airplanes, smart bombs and nuclear weapons probably wouldn't be too intimidated by a bunch of townsfolks with .38s, even with hollow-nosed bullets. Besides, if we're justified in shooting illegitimate regimes, does that mean I can blow away ole George Jr.? Finally (on this subject), even though arming bears is in the Bill of Rights, it is an amendment, and amendments can be repealed when it becomes obvious that they are ill-concieved or no longer effective. Otherwise, none of us would have had a drop to drink since 1920.

Methinks it's about time for Sherry to make an appearance.

As far as crime increasing in the U.K., they've also seen a massive increase in immigration, something which brings crime along with it. This is a statistical fact, probably explained because newer arrivals do not have the same ties and connections to the land and people, and feel less guilt about violating its laws. Also because a significant number of them are lower income, the class which statistically has the highest rate of violent criminals.

I was recently reading about Gruinard Island in the U.K., where Britain tested the use of anthrax during WWII. Probably some of the Brits here know more. Hell, maybe you all know about it (I ain't exactly a walkin' encyclopedia.) But it was news to me. Apparently England experimented with anthrax-filled bomblets, which were loaded on to a traditional bomb, dropped by the RAF. To test them, they secured 60 sheep to isolated Gruinard Island, and dropped one of these suckers onto them. Much to their joy, all the sheep died in a few days. It was calculated that about 4 million bomblets, dropped by 2,000 planes, would pretty much wipe out the German population. This plan was halted once the U.S. entered the war, when our Chemical Warfare Service began to create the bomblets much more effeciently than England. Unfortunately, development of this quaint technology was deemed inferior to the much more flashy atomic bomb. But Gruinard Island was quarantined for most of the last 50 years, until relatively recently, when 250 tons of lyme were dumped on it, and an inch of topsoil removed, to make it somewhat more hospitable to humans and sheep alike. But anyway, yes, we do absolutely need to remove Saddam Hussein from power, as he is an obviously insane individual who is most likely creating germ warfare, including anthrax-laced missiles, and very likely might consider using it on his enemies, and such a government must not be allowed to exist.

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Pat Brennan

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Mrs. Henry

Subject: Bush-wacked in the Bush Leagues

It's kind of scary when Bush calls this possible Iraq attack "a game." I know he used to own the Texas Rangers ball team, but after all he traded Sammy Sosa.

What is all this box set talk? Is there really another one on the way? If so, why?

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Ray Pence

We (the United States) have confirmed that North Korea--a country where millions have been starved and humiliated for about half a century--has a nuclear weapons program. Plus, we have evidence that Russia and China helped the program along with materiel. Big surprise. But we're not going to kick any of those three asses--we're going to ask Russia and China not to help North Korea any more, and we're going to look at this as different from the Iraq situation.

I hope they've got someone with credibility to explain that to our allies, Japan and South Korea.

Who's kissing ass now?

Why do some people equate the hard work of peacemaking with the humiliation of ass kissing?

Call Carter a wimp all you want--it won't change the facts that he's a veteran and has worked more than a few honest days in his life, neither of which our current President can claim as achievements.

Why does Saddam need an ass kicking and the Chinese, Russians, and North Koreans don't?

It's not because of the Kurds. Nor weapons of mass destruction. It's because Saddam "tried to kill my Dad," the President's exact words.

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Mrs. Henry

Subject: The Usual

I guess Bill Clinton caused the Levon-Robbie feud as well.

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Mikey Lenahan

Subject: LEVON AND THE FEAT

I wish I was able to see that show... Levon and The Feat ........WOW!! Peace Mike

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Pat Brennan

Along John D.'s line, Rhino did an extrordinary job with the Rascals reissue, and their ongoing "internet only" sales approach would be perfect for a series of Band rarities. And they did do that Last Waltz release, didn't they?

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Ragtime

I've got to let it ride

I can never show

What's really going on inside

If I'm too young to learn

Or too old to change

I guess I'll always be

Between trains "

(Copyright J.R. Robertson)

What a great song this is...

& many many thanks to ConnieJean in New Jersey...

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Gilberta Iman

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JTull Fan

Subject: Ben Pike's lack of liberal shame

Ben: To quote a great American president: 'Well, there you go again'.It is the liberals and extreme left who try to shove their distorted constitutional views down the throats of the rest of us. You must seriously lack the ability to blush to say the things you do. And I see another one of Slick Willie's little eggs just hatched; North Korea with a bomb. Perhaps if his administration had any credibility in the world the North Koreans would have honored the agreement reached with Clinton back in '94. Maybe we can send Nobel Peace Prizemaster Carter to make them feel all fuzzy. Or maybe he is too busy verifieing the recent Iraqi election.

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Hugh Jorgan

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Pat Brennan

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John D

Susan just hit it on the head; when she used the word "prestige"; when talking about The Band and Capitol records. I always bring up the Randy Newman/Reprise connection. Randy has never been what you would call, "big" seller; but as Lenny Waronker once said, Randy brings a sense of class to the label." There are different labels with artists of that stature. We have to remember that before Dylan jumped to Asylum that he was not a "big" seller compared to others of the time. However the prestige and the "timber" of his being was well worth having him signed forever. I have always had trouble weighing in sales vs talent. Donnie & Marie sold a lot of records but........(fill in the blanks)

I would never have dropped Johnny Cash for example. I know he was very hurt about that at the time.......then he went ahead and reinvented himself again and started selling more records.

I along with you realize that record companies are in it for the money; but periodically one must look at the "artist" themselves and know the "presitge" as Susan so well put it.....of having them on the label.......is well worth it.

Finally going back to an earlier post about the fans helping to put together one of these box sets (Bjork Example) is not so crazy. I along with many of you are probably self assured enough to put together a box that all of us would say.....YEH! I truly believe that sometimes the artist is too close to the subject. I would still like Robertson to call in Bill Inglott to work on it. His Rhino re-issues are always 2nd to none for me.

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Peter Viney

Bob - I wasn't failing to reply, simply typing the last post and crossing in the ether. RR maintains he never made anything out of the original TLW. If he failed to make anything out of the TLW reissue, he's been ill-advised. However, you're're talking a one point two five million payout for performance. OK, in two of Britain's 30 biggest towns, there was one UK DVD release of TLW in each of the biggest stores. The TLW box set- I think our biggest local store ordered four, sold three and have one in stock. There were one or two copies in Virgin, Orlando (the biggest local store). Millions of dollars - even if Capitol scraped that, the amount filtering down is so much less. Then i doubt that Dylan gets nothing. Or Neil Diamond or … there'll be so many little splits off the lump. I think the figures are fantasy. It's good for Capitol, because it's at a high price and they're pulling in between 75% (at McCartney level royalties) and 99% (at early Beatles royalties) of the pie (after the Retailer takes between 25% of the cash handed over, and up to even 50% for huge chains, though probably not on a box set). Say The Band were on 10% of Capitol's receipts. Knock off 10% for the theoretical "breakages in transit". Knock off "expenses". Some long gone agency or manager will pull 10 to 20% of what's left. Then split the rest five ways … Believe me, I live on royalties and the artist's share of what you pay across the counter is tiny.

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Susan

It's been suggested that all these reissues with ugraded sound are done in a greedy, money-grubbing spirit. I don't really think so - for one thing, the remasters don't seem to be selling at an astounding rate; I keep seeing them offered on ebay for cheap. The Last Waltz is a cultural artifact, and a lot of people probably bought it for the nostalgia value, or because they'd heard it was a great music film rather than a specific Band interest.

A Band box set would be more of a prestige issue for Capitol; I doubt they expect to make money off it, particulary with the costs they are likely to incur in Robbie's quest for perfect sound. As Peter said, it's not likely to sell in huge numbers; fans will seek it out, but the casual music buyer might not even see one on the shelves in most stores, and the price will be high enough that the casual buyer probably won't make it an impulse purchase. I will buy it, of course. I'd sell my second-born child (the first is promised to Crabgrass) if I was short of cash and had children at the time. Many of us would do the same. I want to see a good box set for my own listening pleasure, but also to document the Band's history in an accessible way.

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Peter Viney

Carmen - the UK has appalling and growing crime rates, including violent crime. However the murder rate remains a very tiny fraction of that in the USA. We need to put our own house in order badly, but assault weapons allowed in cities is insanity. The USA is not a frontier society anymore. OK, you'd allow hunting guns in rural communities, but you'd forbid any gun entering any urban area with severe penalties. I'd define uban area as any settlement with 200 people.

As for fist fights, guns don't prevent them. They simply turn them into murders.

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Pat Brennan

BTW, this supposed goldmine that Robertson is sitting on? The Last Waltz in re-release did about $322,000 in American theaters, even with all that press.

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bob wigo

Peter,

That suggestion was only "jokey" in it's reference to the statement being included on the disc. Am I to believe that among the proceeds for the original releases of TLW ( both audio and video ), the then definitive boxed set ATGD, the re-release of the film, the DVD version of the film, the remastered TLW audio package, the remastered studio albums and the new DVD audio version (I'm certain I must have missed something on the list ), there was not one million dollars to split four ways among the other members of The Band? Shall we all discuss the matter safe in the assumption that some payment terms could not have been negotiated by Robbie with the respective production companies?

Shall we accept that their wages for all of the magic created in the same studio and on the same stage as Robbie, beyond the rare split credit, should be based on back up band status or session work scale?

Enough said by me on the matter. I apologize for beating what is clearly a dead horse.

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David Powell

Subject: live music

On the subject of music -- Carlos Santana will be appearing tomorrow night (Friday, Oct. 18th) on the A&E network's "Live By Request" television broadcast. Click on the web page link I've entered above for details.

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Pat Brennan

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John W.

Subject: Guns

Yes, we always hear the statistics about how many more people are killed by guns in the U.S. than in other countries. But I wonder what the statistics look like regarding fistfights. Seems they break out a lot in England, and practically looks like the national pastime in Ireland. And in much of the rest of the "continent," it seems like people are always pretty ready to come to blows, in pubs or at football matches, knowing the worst that will happen is a busted nose or knocked out tooth. I wonder if people are less likely to punch a stranger in the States, where you never know for sure if the fellow next to you might be packing and blow you away if a fight breaks out. I know, fistfights are probably seen as no big deal, but I'm just as happy to stay out of them! And it's not only drunks I'm concerned about. The robberies and muggings are bad enough, even though the criminals know we just might be carrying a gun a la Charles Bronson in "Death Wish". If guns were banned, wouldn't the honest citizens be easy pickin's for the bandits who have no regard for the law?

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carmen

A gov't big enough to give the people everything they want is a Gov't big enough to take away everything the people have.

Peter V.-England's crime rate has increased every year since gun ownership was eliminated. This is a fact.

Milita as the term was used in the 1700's was the people and not a organization.

Lets go back into recent history. The Talaban stripped the people of guns and then took over. Hitler did the same thing.

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Peter Viney

Hank, Al: The best song I saw done in a “no instruments, no technology” folk club was by a folk singer called Pete (something) in 1965. He knew Rambling Jack Elliot too. And he had a sense of humour. One of his songs was based on either “Terry” by Twinkle or “Leader of The Pack” by The Shangri-Las. I’ll never forget seeing him singing it unaccompanied in such a po-faced club (to his own doo-wop tune):

I rode on your pillion,
All down the M 1
From London to Birmingham,
We were having such fun
Till you put out your left hand
To turn to the right
Oh, oh, my darling
where are you tonight?

CHORUS Teenage … cremation
Oh, how you smelt
When you melt

At Bethnal Green Crematorium
That’s where we said goodbye
I stood there in the chapel
Just listening to you fry …

I wish I could remember more. No idea what happened to him. Did he ever record it? Anyone else heard of him?

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Jawbone

Subject: box set

i have to say that any boxed set that includes songs on To Kingdom Come and Great Divide will be, for the most part, an entire waste of time. granted that the average Band fanatic who would take the time to post here could probably afford it, it would just seem like an obvious cash cow for robbie and capitol. extraneous packaging and unpublished photos are nice. elliott landy's book was terrific for that. but what we as fans want is not pop-up images and pictures of cameramen from the last waltz. No! i want all the things that one cannot find on the glorious WWW. there has to be some tapes that aren't in circulation amongst traders, right? and if they did it right and included garth and levon, i'm sure garth wouldn't mind digging through his old tapes of material. that's what i want to hear!

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Peter Viney

Bob made the jokey suggestion that track 1 of the “New Definitive Remastered version of the Remasters in 24 bit which are the best ever sounding versions until we do the next even more definitive ones in 2004, which will be the best until the DVD-Audio versions in 2005, which we’re planning to remaster as the Definitive DVD-Audio versions in 2006 ” should be the CEO of Capitol & Robbie promising quarter million advances to Levon, Garth, Richard and Rick. OK, amusing. But it brings up a question. We’re used to all this stuff about “He cheated us out of millions of dollars” but let’s think it through. Artists proceeds of one million dollar imply receipts by the company of at least ten times that. In the early Beatles case, vastly more. This box set will be in the big stores only, which will order one or two copies each. Mail order will pick up a few. How many will it sell (at an inflated price)? I have no idea myself. I don’t see a Band box set filtering down money in anything remotely like that quantity, even if RR was throwing in all the publishing and his share of the performing.

John W: Guns and cars. Cars are not made with the purpose of killing people, but they do. Bananas aren’t grown to kill people, but you could slip on a banana skin and break your neck. Stairs cause deaths, as do electrical outlets , but the difference is clear. . These are all by accident. But guns kill by design. It’s the purpose of them. While the founding fathers had good reason to fear invasion by tyrannical British despots, or an attempt by a local demagogue to seize power, the right to bear arms is not relevant in 2002. As I never tire of saying, we European democracies bumble on quite freely without the need to have guns at home. The shameful statistics prove the point. Compare deaths by firearms in the UK … or indeed Canada. The rest of the world looks on and thinks ‘For f**ks sake, change the constitution.” The constitution enshrined a vicious form of chattel slavery (as did other English colonies) and the subjucation of both women and the non-property owning masses. OK, I’d guess the signers were far more enlightened than their English counterparts (English slave traders were even nastier than American slave owners). The piece of paper is not holy writ. These obvious faults got changed. The right to bear arms should go into the dustbin of history with them.

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Al Edge

Hank - enjoyed the post about the old folkies mate. Nice one. Very evocative. I'd have given them 'Boys of the Old brigade' or 'Garyowen' - scouse kopite updated versions of course :-o)

Jerry - Really good to see you back mate. You've been missed, as, of course, is any Band enthusiast. We all get shitty livers from time to time. Got to say I always preferred your original tag - crazy Chester - as it always reminded me of Denis Weaver. Every time you posted I had this mental image of the character from 'Duel' sat behind a steaming clapped out car dashboard banging away on a laptop!! Besides I always loved Gunsmoke. Also there is another Jerry - Jerry Tenenbaum - who possibly still peeps in and is also sorely missed for his rare sincerity and the fact he used to witness The Hawks as a kid in his dad's bar. Names of course don't really matter, the main thing is you're back on board. How's Tom btw?? :-o)

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bob wigo

Bones,

I'm not at all upset but I do have a problem with it. Seems only fair and right that the rest of The Band get their cut of all this action. Business always seems to get in the way of fair and right these days doesn't it?

So much so that we've come to justify it, accept it and even condone it.

I can't help but be honest about my feelings on this matter. I realize the other members made a pretty good living and I'm not going to judge the circumstances that put them where they are now. Robbie knows the current situation, is sitting on yet another gold mine and has the opportunity to cut a square deal for all. I would love to see it happen for all involved.

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Bones

Bob Wigo: You seem to be really upset with regard to the money that the Band (minus Robbie) made over the course of their career. Unlike many of the great R&B acts of the 50s and 60s, the Band members actually did make some money. Now it's none of my business what they did with that money, but some of their heroes (and our heroes) never made a dime at all.

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John W.

Ben - Leaving aside, if possible, yours or mine particular political points of view, what part of the sentence don't you understand? The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, in order to keep the MILITIA well-regulated! Please don't call me a right-winger, I'm not necessarily opposed to a Constitutional amendment to eliminate the 2nd amendment and bring gun control. But no way you can tell me that sentence doesn't mean every American has the right to pack iron.

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Ben Pike

Notice John W, like all right wingers, tells you what the consitution means rather than what it says. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of the state, the right of people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." They will tell you how sacred the Bill Of Rights is; in the next breath lay the most implausable interpretation imaginable.

So, John Ashcroft, who has been for weakening your rights in every area EXCEPT the state's ability to trace your gun and amunition, has been fighting for the D.C. snipers rights because IT MAKES YOU SAFER. It's also right wingers who have insured you those laws, including amemding the Bill Of Rights, have not changed since the days when you had almost as good a chance against a gun as you had against John W's hammer. But, yawn, you will only pry logic logic from these types by from their cold, d**d hands...."

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Nick

I want to send a personal thank you to David Powell for being a most helpful and cool guy. Thanks Dave!

I noticed Robbie said "I" have to start work on the definitive Band box set. Does this mean Levon and Garth won't be involved? My feeling is that nothing is definitive without their input.

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John W.

I don't feel comfortable around guns either but let's remember when we talk about "right wing Second Amendment gun nuts" we are talking about the founders of the United States, who felt the right of the people to bear arms should not be taken away, so that a well armed populace could "regulate" the armed forces. What they had in mind was the possibility that a non-democratically elected regime could someday take power and take away the public's civil rights (some feel this is already happening now), and how could such a regime be opposed if nobody has the right to bear arms? Change the Constitution if you don't like it, but that right is explicitly specified in there, no matter how anyone tries to reinterpret the wording. Not to be pro-gun nut but, supposed this sniper was running over pedestrians with a car, should we ban automobiles? Or if some nut is bashing people with a hammer, do we ban hammers?

Interesting to see Barbra Streisand backtracking away from her statements. When a Long Island Republican Congressman put an ad out stating how "Baghdad Babs" had contributed financially to his opponent's campaign and how she had recently called President Bush "frightening" and a "dictator", Ms. Streisand had her spokesman say "She never called him a frightening dictator". Sounds like Clinton with the parsing of words and denial, but if she's so proud of her position, why the backing off?

Sincere congrats to Jimmy Carter for the Nobel Peace Prize. I just wonder if the award is at all watered down since they gave one to Arafat.

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Jenny T

Well I would like to hear this Cows with Guns thing. My son Dan has a funny book about some cows who revolt more peacefully--it's called Cows Who Type. They get ahold of the farmer's typewriter and start issuing demands. Eventually they come to terms and throw out the typewriter, but then the ducks start to use it.

Remember in the sprng when everyone was talking about rock related books? I was going to tackle some of the smuttier ones over the summer but never did. Only serious and truly depressing books seem to meet the criteria of my book club, even though they are really fun gals. So I never got around to Pamela or Hammer of the Gods because I was slogging through We Were the Mulvaneys. But the club is "book optional" so now I think I will get to work on that fine reading list. I am going to read that book about Edie Sedgwick too.

Lately I have been thinking about misheard lyrics. First I heard Big Old Jet Airliner on the radio which reminded me of that comedian who did the bit about how his friend thought it was Big Old Jed Had a Light on. That reminds me of my best friend Renee and that song that goes I'm not talkin' about moving in, and I don't want to change your life, but there's a warm wind blowing the stars around, and I'd really love to see you tonight. She thought it was "I'm not talking about Bolivia" and I nearly died laughing when I heard her sing it that way. She probably had Bolivia on the brain from the fact that we saw Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid way too many times due to our Robert Redford obsession.

But then my sister was genuinely disappointed to learn that Sting sings "how my poor heart aches" in Every Breath You Take. She thought it was so trite compared to what she understood: I'm a pool hall ace with every step you take.

This is way too long but I have been gone for a while but wanted to say I love the whole album Lyle Lovett and his Large Band. And to make it Band related I will say I can hear Rick singing Which Way Does that Old Pony Run, Richard singing Nobody Knows Me, and Levon singing I Married Her Just Because She Looks Like You and Stand By Your Man.

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Ben Pike

Yep Roz, then Mitchell could tell O'Reilly about what has put the music bidness on the skids: the sin you right wingers have tried, and with surpirsingly effective results, to wipe off the books...GREED. The debauched values of the American right have done a great deal to strangle artists since the Reagan era, but you can't keep a good country down.

Since your fake President has ruthlessly exploted the 9-11 dead; and we now endure the specticle of Rudy doing everying but selling "ground zero" T shirts at republican fund rasiers, you have a lot of damn nerve bitching about the Dems. But then, I don't want to give nerve a bad name....

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roslyn

I have been kind of closely following the Maryland Governor race since these sniper shootings began. It seems that Maryland's Lieutenant Governor, the first recipient of the DLC Clinton Center Award, "New Democrat" Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (Daughter of Robert Kennedy) has been miserably failing to keep her PROMISE NOT to EXPLOIT the recent tragic murders of Maryland residents for her own selfish Political Gain. It Seems Her Promise Lasted About A Half A Week! She is now on roll! She has come out like Al Capone against her republican opponent Robert Ehrlich. Accusing him of practically being the sniper himself. Ahh those new democrats are breath of fresh air indeed.

Maybe we should send Jimmy Carter. Back over there to North Korea! To see who's ass he will kneel and kiss this time.

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rich

Subject: odds and sods

first things first.well done to wales. what a game!what an atmosphere! What a result!roz. my fav. straight story scene. when alvin's first lawnmower conks out,so he gets his gun out and blows it to kingdom come. re. the band box set. its easy to be cynical and question motives e.t.c. but a group such as the band deserves a lavish box set with the full works such as a top notch booklet,sleevenotes and so on. the acthegrtdivide set seemed a bit cheapo . a deluxe effort is long overdue. rog. still cant make it.cant get time off work, getting back from london midweek is also problematic for those of us who dont drive. im sure there will be future opportunities for the brit contingent to meet up. i look foreward to it. richard farnsworth trivia question imminent. got to go to work now.see you all.rich

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Graham Barrett

Subject: Wanted/Trades CD-Rs

G.Barrett, 92 Southern Court, Hill Street, Stoke-on-Trent, Staffs, st4 1ne.England. Wanted/Trade Band/Dylan cds/cd-rs WANTED...Crossing The Great Divide (Scorpio) 3 cd set cd or cd-r (with copies of booklets etc.) October 2002 US Dylan cd-rs. I Have 1oos of Hours of Band/Dylan cdrs to trade 1960s to present day. ....write me..sorry no E-MAIL.

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Misty

Thanks for posting the TEC pictures. Bones and John D - Thanks for the Wireimage, Billboard, and Toronto Star info. I'm glad Robbie's getting some exposure - I'm always glad when any of the Band members do.

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jerry

Subject: Roz,

Web: Missing Link

Roz hun, you can call me anything your little heart desires, my family also has nick names and shortened versions of there real names, Im called Jer by almost everyone that knows me well and sometimes by those who dont, my friends rarely call one another by our full first name in many instances we shorten there last name and call them by that...

I know there have been a few postings in here where Im sure the poster regreted hitting the submit key, we all move on, some of us with egg on our face....thanks Roz...

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Crabgrass

Subject: Nobel Peace Prize

Belated congrats to Jimmy Carter for the Nobel honor!! I hope he'll be meeting with the al Qaeda pretty soon to end this terrorism thing which has somewhat dimmed my optimism of late. Also, I've noticed a bit of trouble in the Middle East which he might tend to after that.

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BWNWITennessee

I'm afraid I can't dispense with too much of the Kama Sutra stuff; presuming that you already know the one involving a stick of unsalted margarine, a jar of Tabasco sauce, twelve yards of clothesline, three neutered cats, a Brunswick bowling ball and a yellow Volkswagen Beetle. You DO know about that one, right?

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Bettye

Subject: Question for Bill

Re your post on 10/15, can you give me more info on the book you mentioned, "Mountain drummer Corky Laing's newish book, "Stick It" Rock 'n Road Stories"? Where to find it? Thanx in advance.

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roslyn

Speakin' of Cathy Smith and Chasin' The Dragon. Does anyone have any idea what those two guys did to Richard in that hotel room to fix up his back and make him crazy and wild-eye afterwards. They chanted and put him in some kind of a trance while everyone stood at Robbie's door and tried to listen to what was going on in there. I always wondered about that....

You folks down in the Virginia / DC area please take care. I was thinkin' how this guy or guys who are doing this killing might end up like the Hillside Strangler, getting attacked in the street by regular people. That Sounds More Than Just Appropriate To Me!

Interesting piece on Joni Mitchell under somebody's link. She keeps talkin' like that and she'll be invited onto the Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly Show!

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Charlie Young

Peter, I envy that you saw Ray Davies with a band. I've seen him twice in recent years doing his wonderful "one man show" with just a guitarist. He was brilliant both times--and more than any other rocker I recall except Zappa--he plugs rock'n'roll history into that of world events. What a friggin' genius he is!

Speaking of world events, congratutions to Jimmy Carter for his Nobel Peace Prize. I wonder if The Band could have ever envisioned that all those years ago as they performed "Georgia" on SNL as a not-too-suble Jimmy endorsement days before the 1976 presidential election. Let's just hope that Carter can do his part to help the third World War from breaking out any day now.

Meanwhile in the Washington, DC "war zone" where I spend 80% of my time the courageous and unarmed Guardian Angels have taken on the task of protecting people at gas pumps just as they have helped the innocent on the NYC subways for over two decades. The right wing Second Amendment gun nuts have not come forward with a "well-regulated militia" to stop the shootings for some reason. I suspect that they are hunkered down with their beer and TV remote controls. God bless the Guardian Angels, Nobel Peace Prize winners, and somebody tell Capitol to can that boxed set and use Pat Brennan's "bootleg series" instead.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Stuck In The Head

Hey Roslyn, no "Papa Was A Rollin Stone"?

Yea.....Catholic Lerkin......Weeeee

"Cows With Guns".....Your killin me, your killin me

Imagine

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brown eyed girl

Another person who told her story was Cathy Smith......She discusses Belushi and most of The Band members except Robbie and Garth.....Also Bebe Buell discusses in particular Todd Rundgren, Steve Tyler (father of Liv Tyler), Jagger, Page, and Elvis Costello who first introduced me to her......Bebe still performing with her band?

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Zeppe

It will be the definitive nondefinitive Band box set. It will have definitive outtakes, variations of definitive outtakes, nondefinitive outtakes, demos, variations of demos, demos with overdubs, live recordings (with overdubs and then the variations of those songs without the overdubs), and then maybe there will be room for the definitive Band songs, with definitive variations of course.

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BWNWITennessee

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Pehr

I think you got it, Pat B. I'd spend a wad o cash on it...

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John D

Sitting here listening to the new Johnny Cash tribute CD, produced by Marty Stuart. "Kindred Spirits" features some very interesting takes on Johnny's songs. One of my favorites is Keb-Mo doing a very rural blues slide guitar arrangmeent of Fulsom Prison. Little Richard cookin' to "Get Rhythm". Travis Tritt dragging through "I Walk The Line". When I say dragging.......I mean very slowly......making you listen to those lyrics. Great arrangment. Bob Dylan from the TNT special with "Train of Love", thanking Johny for standing up for him in the early days. Springsteen,S. Earle & much more. Good listening.

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Pat Brennan

As to our good friends Harry & Mim, I believe all this talk has the tenor of the fanatic. Since there presently is no Band boxed-set available in print, I have to assume that a new one would revisit all the albums, much to our collective chagrin. I wasn't very happy with either To Kingdom Come or Across The Great Divide--which seemed to be TKC with that somewhat interesting rarities disc. A new boxed set would rely on the remastered versions which are sonically far superior to the earlier collections. Which BEG's the question: who is the boxed set for? People like us who have the remasters or the general public who wants the hits, thank you? Obviously there's no answer. Any rarities would interest the fanatics--meaning us--and the general public could by the remastered greatest hits collection if that's what they want.

So I have an idea. Forget this boxed set thing and do what Columbia is doing. Give us a series of "bootlegs". Volume One would be The Hawks: the aforementioned singles, the "Do The Honky Tonk" tape (well, at least a greatest-hits approach since its long), various live Dylan (the aforementioned 4th Street, Tom Thumb, LDO), and some BT morsels, and finish it off with the Capitol demos. Volume Two, The Band: outtakes from the first four not on the remasters, the complete Woodstock set, Ed Sullivan, outtakes from ROA and any other live stuff that may be floating around. Volume Three, The Band: Watkins Glen, Wembley, outtakes from Planet Waves/Tour 74, morsels from the other live recordings, outtakes from MM, NLSC, and Islands (outtakes from an album of outtakes???), greatest hits from Washington DC 76 and the Palladium 76, SNL and TLW.

Or, if you really need a boxed set, package those three with the remastered Greatest hits thing and a good booklet with unpublished pics, etc.

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Peter Viney

BWN- Pamela des Barres book does have pictures! Hurry to Ebay before the rush starts. Does the Zappa-produced GTO's album (was it Permanent Damage) feature the same Miss Pamela? Now that was album to put on after Derek & Clive. I got a cut-out, together with the Straight Records first Alice Cooper album for almost nothing about three months after they were both released and went straight down the plughole. The GTO's caused shock, as well as lots of laughing.

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Peter Viney

Ray Davies is a star.

I won't give the game away for those watching later in the week. Suffice it to say I was very glad I was watching Ray and not England's draw at home with FYR Macedonia. The people he influenced would be a huge list. It all becomes apparent. And he looks younger and hipper than his Band - who must have at least 20 years advantage over him.

Box set- a lot would be fans only stuff. I've never heard an Isle of Wight tape of the Band set that's good soundwise (but I'd put on Minstrel Boy from the Dylan set). The venue from 1974 to use would be the kick-off in Chicago, where Dylan stayed on stage on rhythm guitar. You'd get Share Your Love and Holy Cow for a change.

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bob wigo

As an intro I would like to hear a recording of Robbie and the CEO of Capitol Records stating that a quarter million dollars advance will be paid to Levon, Garth, Rick's estate and Richard's estate. EACH.

To my ears, that would be the best "music" .

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Nick

I did recieve the double disc of Danko, Fjeld, Anderson (DFA) from Appleseed records. The first disc is a re-release of the first studio album. Excellent. The second is a live recording from Norway. This one was recorded by Jonas Fjeld in mono into a DAT recorder right behind the soundboard. I think because of this some of the audio levels vary. The performances by all are very good. The one beef I have with the live disc other than this is that Danko's great rendition of "Blue River" drops out in the second verse: "I spent the day with my old dog Moe..." drops out here and picks up with the second line of the third verse "...crops are all in". I wonder if something happened with the recording at this point like maybe someone kicked out a cord. Wierd. Did anyone else notice this? Burned me up and I want to ask Appleseed if they know what the deal is.

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Harry & Mim

Subject: "Definitive Box Sets" & other ramblings

Friends:

Haven't we already seen a coupla "Definitive Box Sets" of The Band that were no more than MFBP, The "Brown Album", "Stagefright" and, to a lesser extent, pickings from the other 5 "original Band albums" taken, literally, from the original releases???

By the way, to have 6 out of those 8 be unqualified artistic sucesses (and, in a few, masterpieces) scores a 750% batting average for the boys (this being ALCS, NLCS, World Series time and all). What other 60's/70's group can look back on a career of that distinction? Why bother trying for a "Definitive Box Set", when those jewel boxes say it all about the greatest band to emerge from the 1960's?

Snatches from their work as The Hawks, with Dylan, various "landmark" Band live shows, and album "out-takes" (which were out-takes for a reason, folks) do not a definitive box set make. They would be of interest to fans (emerging from the word "fanatic"), purists, and obsessive archivists (like some of us, including H&M), but we doubt they would be profitable.... Just sounds like more cashing in on post re-release "The Last Waltz" nostalgia.

As autumn settles in on the Mid-Atlantic US, somehow, every year, the music of The Band and 1972 era Grateful Dead (among a few others) plays in our heads and the old tapes and newer CD's (bootleg and "official") get pulled out for another spin (or three).

Happy (belated) Birthday, Jan. Thanks once again for documenting this great group of musicians (and for creating one of the best sites on the WWW).

OK, lessee where (and when) "The Levon Helm Blues Band" will be playing in our area soon.

Mim & Har

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Bones

You know Capitol and Robbie could do what Bjork did for her greatest hits cd.....go to the fans! Bjork, as I understand it, went to her website and asked her fans to pick out the collection.

There is a picture of Robbie in the new Billboard magazine. The cover story is related to record labels re-thinking soundtracks now that the prices for old songs have gone sky high. T-Bone Burnett and Robbie Robertson are quoted in the article. The article also mentions that some of Robbie's score music from Gangs of New York will be on the soundtrack along with the new U2 song. Label and release date are TBA.

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Susan

I would not mind hearing alternate versions of songs, early versions as the guys worked on things. There are also probably songs that were not finished - never considered ready to include on albums, a la "Get Up Jake", but perhaps less finished. I'd love to hear that sort of thing. Then there may be some of those early try-outs to see which singer worked best; it would be fascinating to hear alternate singers. There's that version of "Endless Highway" with Richard singing rather than Rick that surfaced on the remasters.

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Pat Brennan

I think given the stature of the group that the various labels could find some common ground to include the Hawks and BT songs. Heck, Bessie Smith somehow made it back to Capitol.

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Bumbles

Subject: Boxing the Band

The complete Woodstock set would be ideal for any future Band box. What’s been released is good, the set contains some live rarities, and we know it exists in professional quality. Dylan’s Isle of Wight set was recorded properly so it wouldn’t be surprising if the Band’s was also. A disc or more of vintage, previously unreleased live stuff (as opposed to a few cuts from RoA and maybe the missing TLW tracks and a few more rehearsals) would make the third pass at a definitive Band box a lot more definitive.

As far as Dylan/Hawks stuff, I think it would be out of place on a Band set as well as a licensing problem since they are all CBS recordings. Basement tape material might have the same contractual hang-ups. And BTW, that wasn’t the Hawks at Forest Hills. The band was Robertson and Helm + Al Kooper and Harvey Brooks, one of two shows with that line-up before the Hawks were reunited.

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Hank

Subject: Cows with Guns.....and Trailer Park Troubadours.........

Y'all ever heard of Dana Lyons?......

He's got a wildcat hit happening in pockets all over The USA and Austrailia and, lately, in Ireland called:

"Cows with Guns"....... a really funny song about a mythical bovine rebellion......it's a childrens book, too.........

He arrived in Ireland last week to do a Radio Promo Tour and had my number from a mutual friend.......looked me up and we hung out here in Cork......the recent Pete Seeger thread I've read here made me think of this gig we went to while he was here.........

I brought this guy Dana to the Cork Singers Club....which is held every Sunday night at 9:30 here in Cork at a pub called "An Spalpin Fanach".....( pronouce THAT if you can) ( Yes, I'm sure you can Pat B!)

Now, at The Cork Singers Club there are NO instruments allowed, you must sing UNACCOMPANIED.....

got that?......

Some of the folks who go to this club are the kinda people who are STILL pissed off with Bob Dylan "going electric", if y'know what I mean......folks sit at their tables, a hush is established, the MC goes round the room and invites folks to sing......and they sing songs with 17 verses, 29 choruses and all the songs are REALLY sad.........

........or REALLY funny........a few songs in Irish Gaelic, of course, as well.....and the guy who runs this thing is a Folk Nazi and considers yours truly to be a dirty Rock'n'Roller......I don't mind so much, 'cos it's quite a nice thing to go to and source songs and learn. The dude is always antagonistic with me, however......but I brought Dana over and he was invited to sing.......

He didn't sing "Cows with Guns", his hit, so to speak......he sang a song he wrote entitled:

"I'd Go Anywhere to Fight for Oil to Lubricate The Red, White and Blue"....(acappella, of course, and he did a little dance whilst singing it).....all about all the different oils that are in demand in The USA......which, of course, went down a (desert) storm with all these old folkies!.......the remnants of Irelands '60ies-'70ies left wingers and all the other folks sitiin' on the bench there......and they all came over, shook his hand and we all had great fun sittin there on the bench, talkin' 'bout US Imperialism, big-business and all that radical anti-war stuff we was talking about on the bench there..........

For the record, later on, they asked me to sing, too....which I did, of course.....an old song called "Sam Hall".......'bout a guy what was hung in Dublin....ages ago........I think......

They like that sorta thing in The Cork Singers Club on a Sunday night............

Now, my Folk credentials are in order and my stock is high with all the lefty liberatai of Old Cork.......

No longer am I The Dirty Cork New Yorker Capitalist Pig Rock'n'Roller, no.....

Yippee!

Also, Y'all ever come across "The Trailer Park Troubadours"?.......a Guitarist/Sax player called Bruce Wandmayer who I wrote about in the GB awhile ago laid some of their stuff on us while he was here in Cork a few weeks ago......Humorous songs about the dynamics of living on a Trailer Park in the USA today......ever-so-slightly cynical....but well-played and sung and songs with lines like:

"It ain't home....'till you take the wheels off" and such.....

I'd be surprised if none of the USA contingent of The GB ain't come across them....if so, are they any good live or is it all just a sorta joke record or what?

......AND just in case you thought that I forgot this was a Band GB......last night I did a gig with a band, not my regular band, Open Kitchen, that some of you have seen in NYC....no, another band, made up of some of the folks who played at our Rick memorial two years ago, mandolins and three part harmonies......and we recorded the gig......I've yet to hear the mini-disc but we performed the following:

Evangeline, Long Black Veil, The Weight, King Harvest and The Promised Land.......

Nice to see some of the crowd groovin/dancin to the funky disco parts of King Harvest.......

(Yes, it IS kinda Funky disco....listen to the way Levon plays the hi-hats.....pure funk/disco........)

ANYway, we'll be doing other Band songs at the same gig next week AND if it sounds halfway decent I'll make copies and send 'em out as a Happy Hoilday from Hank Band present from Cork.......

If any of you are interested, that is........

Also, Levon should be at that George Harrsison gig out of all The Band.......him and Keltner to groove with Ringo........what'cha reckon, B Sam?

BTW, the reason I've been absent from proceedings here is 'cos my youngest son just started school.....it's severly cramping my usual rock'n'roll lifestyle.......writing on the GB being an essential part of that....

But I HAVE lurked.......

......and lurking is ALMOST as good as posting......

......in that sorta Catholic way of abstaining from sex......

........you must control your emotions and not just GUSH every time you wanna express.......

OK....I'll stop now..........

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David Powell

Subject: Woodstock '69 setlist

Markku: Thanks for refreshing my memory. The recent auction of Eric Blackstead's masters from Woodstock '69 does confirm that "I Shall Be Released" was performed as the last song in the set. Partly due to the fact that The Band's complete performance has never been "officially" released, various other sources don't include "I Shall Be Released" and a few contain other discrepancies. I guess Mr. Blackstead's master list can be considered the definitive source.

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Pehr

For the Definitive box set, I'd like to see one Cd atleast devoted to stuff with Dylan ... among some obscure pre BT stuff studio, and live. Stuff like "Can you Crawl out Your Window", "Barbed Wire Fence" "She's Your lover Now". Did the Hawks play that stuff at Forest Hills, for example?

in the Posts of Hawks stuff, you gotta have "Who do You Love" and "Bo Diddley". I always have a soft spot for the rockers "Mojo Man" and "Come Love".

I wonder what Band photographs RR has that we've never seen to be released with this project.

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Markku (Quos)

Thanks David for the setlist. I assume "I Shall Be Released" was track 11 then? (the Woodstock Master Tapes page lists it as track 11 as well).

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David Powell

Subject: box set suggestions

As an addendum to my earlier post -- a disc containing both the Woodstock and the Isle of Wight sets from '69 or perhaps a combination culled from the best of both would be interesting.

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Tim Scheuermann

Subject: George Harrison Tribute / FLA Performances

Enjoyed the website, am a big fan of The Band.

Will any of the remaining Band members be participating in the George Harrison tribute scheduled for Nov? It seemed George's time with them in Woodstock was very special to him.

Also - any idea if there will be any west coast (FLA) appearances down the road by Levon? Only hitting East Coast this Fall.

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carmen

Subject: box set

I second David's vote for the entire Woodstock performance for the Box Set.

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Al Edge

First to the GB - please forgive my indulgence but a certain person on here has made my day.

Fred - you sir are a mega star. I'd completely forgotten I'd told you about 'Faith'. To say I am absolutely delighted it made you howl is as much of an understatement as saying The Band is popular on the GB. When I did it I had two objects in mind. First was to properly represent the traditional fan and second was to capture the atmosphere of my background. I knew if I could even partly succeed in that I would at least give people a real good laugh. Your vindication of that has truly thrilled me my friend. A New Worlder in Japan who can connect wi' de 'pool and Scousers!!!! A real scoop. Make no mistake, your name will be bandied round the pubs of Anfield - no danger!!!!If you're ever over here you will be feted - A PROMISE!!

BTW - hope all has turned out alright in the 'ozzie with your little precious one. If you were laughing as loud as you say it would indeed seem things have turned out OK. :-o)

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Francesco Lucarelli

Subject: CSN&Y

To whom it may concern...

This note to inform you about the release of a 3-book biography about Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.

Titled "Crosby, Stills, Nash & sometimes Young", the set has been presented last September in London’s renowned music bookshop Helter Skelter.

Ten years in the making, it is a significant addition to the published works on this major force on rock music, drawing as it does on both the authors’ interviews with CSNY themselves and hundreds of exclusive interviews with other musicians and people connected to the band. With more than 1,000 pages, this is also one of the largest biographies ever published on a rock 'n' roll band. CSN in person actively contributed to this project sharing memories, information and material from their archives.

Volume 1 and 2 focus on the biography of the four musicians from their birth until 2002. Volume 3 focuses on CSNY released and unreleased music (records, CDs, VHS, etc), their complete concert career (collectively & separately), their radio and TV appearances, etc.

Some numbers: 3 volumes focused on CSN&Y, The Byrds (with Crosby), The Hollies (with Nash) and Buffalo Springfield, up to date as at September 2002. More than 1,000 pages in large format; more than 400 b&w photos (mostly never seen before); detailed information about more than 100 albums and CDs; notes about approximately 600 singles and promos (with 144 picture sleeve covers reproduced in full color); details of 433 CSN songs covered by other artists; 196 CSN guest appearances on other artists’ albums; a 24-page chapter dedicated to unreleased songs, sessions and abandoned albums with hundreds of titles and dates; 32 full-color pages with reproductions of concert-posters, tickets, programmes, passes; an extensive bibliography including 186 books and 68 songbooks; filmography; multimedia chapter; details, set-lists and other notes of 238 radio appearances, 634 TV appearances and approximately 8,000 concert dates (including pre-Byrds, pre-Buffalo and pre-Hollies gigs).

Currently the books are available ONLINE only through Gopher Publishers website: www.gopherpublishers.com

If you are interested in the books, please, get in touch with Jitske Kingma jitske.kingma@GopherPublishers.com AND Rixt Bottema rixt.bottema@GopherPublishers.com

For further information about the books, please visit us at www.booksoncsn.com

Sincerely,

Francesco Lucarelli

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David Powell

Subject: Woodstock '69 setlist

In answer to Markku's query regarding The Band's setlist at Woodstock '69:

(1)Chest Fever, (2)Don't Do It, (3)Tears of Rage, (4)We Can Talk, (5)Long Black Veil, (6)Don't You Tell Henry, (7)Ain't No More Cane, (8)Wheel's On Fire, (9)Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever, (10)The Weight

In response to John's query on suggestions for the upcoming box set, I'd like to see the entire Woodstock set included.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Levon Plays With Feat

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rollie

Subject: Joni Mitchell weighs in on the music industry

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rosalind

Jer_ Can I call ya that? People that I like always use a shortened version of their name. My little 40 year old brother I call "Bar" for Barry and I call my mother "Mo" short for mother. Hey I am the shit suck poster of all time. I have apologized in here and been embarrassed and humilited more times than anybody in the world. Don't beat youself up about it Jer. Throw it to the wind and please jump back into the mix here. I've missed you dreadfully since the day you left. Every time I come in here I look for your name...

Hey Roger _ I can't pas up a trivia question either.I knew the answer too. Dang! So Rich is the best questionare, so when he throws one out yer way I'll snatch it while you're still sleepin':)

It didn't sound right for me to say "John Lennon didn't mean shit to me" I got caught up in the moment. I'm passionate about certain things. I like alot of Lennon's music...but I hardly ever listen to him. I just know that Harry Chapin devoted a monster amount of time and gave so very much of his own personal income to the hungry and the down and out. And died enroute to one of those benefits. He earned more than five-million dollars for these important charites. Plus two of his songs from the early seventies come back to me and play in my head as I remember parts of my early teens. "Taxi" an "W O L D" other songs that do that for me are "In The Rain" by the Dramatics "Let's Stay Together" By Al Green "Betcha By Golly Wow and the one played in the Spike Lee movie by this same group that I can't think of the name of. "Backstabbers" by The OJays "Summer Breeze" Seals and Crofts "We've Only Just Begun" The Carpenters and "Wooden Ships" CSNY "Don't Cross The River"by America...lots more I guess.

Rich _ I loved that scene in "The Straight Story" when Alvin drives up behind this hystercal woman who had just hit another deer. "That makes about 6 deer I've hit in 2 weeks!" She says pulling at her hair in anquish. "And I have to drive this road every day!" Pure David Lynch in that scene huh?

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Roger Woods

Sorry Roz. I can't resist quizzes. Would you have known the answer?

Richie, if you'd just cancel your other commitment and get to the Everyman I'd treat you to a pint too. (That's beer not scotch to north american friends).

I'm jealous you lot are all seeing Ray Davies. I was watching Kate Rusby in Oxford when Ray was on in Birmingham. It was a difficult choice. I've always thought the Kinks dealt with 'britainicana' in the same way the Band dealt with americana. I heard Ray Davies say once that the Stones got their inspiration from route 66 whereas the Kinks got their's from the M6.

Back to the coal mining thread; Kate Rusby has the most moving song about her grandfather who'd been a miner and suffered from pneumoconiosis. Called "My Young Man" it brings tears to eyes.

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Robbie / The Weber Brothers

It appears that Robbie's "The Far Lonely Cry Of Trains" was released on Japanese issues of STORYVILLE and the soundtrack JIMMY HOLLYWOOD.....I thought it sounded familiar since I have the soundtrack but I hadn't checked.....Anyway, the ablum cover is different on the three song album...."What About Now"...."The Far Lonely Cry Of Trains"...."Somewhere Down The Crazy River"....

The WEBER BROTHERS BAND....The band is Sam and Ryan Weber, Frank (The one I spoke with at the Healey/Garth gig), Fergy, and he's referred to Toronto's keyboard sensation....Shai Peer.....will be performing in their first Toronto appearance at Clinton's.....nooooo.....not at Bill's pad.....but at Toronto's bar where I used to see The Cowboy Junkies before America discovered them......Address is 693 Bloor Street West, Toronto.....We're told that original material will be shared and music that inspired them......THE BAND....Chuck Berry....Beatles....Stones....etc.....

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jerry

Subject: aka Neil Diamond no more

Web:Missing Link

About a month ago I wrote a piece of shit ass suck post about being ignored, Im embarrassed that I wrote such dribble, is there a male pms?? Im 44 and without Woman, maybe thats it, no thats just being horney, whatever!!

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Markku (Quos)

Subject: Woodstock -69 songs?

I wonder if anyone knows for sure The Band's setlist in Woodstock 1969? I'm curious about where "We Can Talk About It Now" and "I Shall Be Released" were in the set? The circulating recordings of the show are not complete.

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jerry

okay..im really looking forward to it..im fortunate to be going with a friend who hasnt missed bob in 20 years of shows, kind of nice having someone who can give this rookie the lowdown at the show...the band connection would be that if not becomming a johnny come latley band fan i probley wouldnt have given bob a chance....

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rosalind

This has been bugging me since Ben Pike brought it up. I had never heard Harry Chapin and John Lennon mentiond in the same breath. I got to thinkin'. I'll have to admit, John Lennon didn't mean shit to me. I thought he was all symbolism. That Toronto Bed-in deal, that Hair-peace shit. Publicity_ Publicity_ Publicity_ Having practically every damn move he made put on film like he was some messiah, some messenger of light or something. On the other hand, Harry Chapin ( without publicity) gave selflessly of himsef to travel from Benefit_ to Benefit_ to Benefit... Year_ after Year_ after Year and did something REAL. Put his music out for free to help fill hungry children's mouths. He died a hero. Giving of himself for free! That's what a hero is. Somebody who puts the needs of others in front of their own. I understand that this is a controversial subject and I don't care. I never understood why John Lennon was so idolized. Worshipped almost. It has just always pissed me off!

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rich

Subject: kinks

pete. re. dear old ray. you will not be dissapointed. al, your in for a treat. roz. roger should be put in the stocks for what he did. a band box set? wow! more info please. i havnt got time to read the box set related posts. got to go to work. come on wales! lets beat those italians tonight! ill be there. rich

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Fred

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Bill Munson / Garland Jeffreys! / Robbie! / Levon!

You were at Ryerson in 1975 and you were at a Eugene Smith gig in 1980 at the Hotel California? Yikes.....very eerie Bill.....:-D

GARLAND JEFFREYS ROCKS WHILE PLAYING CONSCIENCE GARAM MASALA MUSIC at The Bottom Line in NYC! "Don't call me buckwheat....Don't call me spic".....

He even performed one of my faves....."Christine" (slow version).....I asked his wife at the after show party if she was Christine and she said......Nooooo......but that Christine was still around in NYC.....Not to worry.....Garland and the accordion player from South Africa and long time guitarist who could make his acoustic guitar sound electric......serenaded Garland's wife and very young daughter in the audience for a few songs......Yup! He's a romantic.....must be "In The Blood"......:-D

Garland has a cult following.....I was watching the audience and a lot of people knew a lot of his lyrics.....Like Dylan he also likes to wear hats.....He had a stand with many hats to choose from on Saturday night and Donna.....He wore black suede shoes.....;-D.....(It's also significant to mention that Garland did some workshops in Manhattan on Dylan songs at one of the Universities)......

He is the ultimate performer in that he greets his audience with so much energy! It's as if he's conveying, "I'm here to take you on a journey.....Are you ready to take that journey?.....Let's go!"....He sings clearly and passionately.....He jumps around....walks on tables and climbs poles like he was in his twenties....and what really turns me on to his music......is that he really has something to say about social issues with intelligence and a willingness to use it via his songs......but he balances these songs with personal issues where his message in one of his songs sums it up when he sings that he'd like to bathe in money and wear money all over his body (Oh yeah.....he's sarcastic but almost believable 'cause he's a great actor when he sings his songs) but of course the punch line is...........Of course when he performed "NEW YORK SKYLINE"......He showed that he had guts.....Hey, reminds me of one of his songs....GUTS FOR LOVE.....and he's ready to move on but that doesn't mean that you forget.......He also isn't afraid to shout it out by enticing you with reggae, rock, soul, latin grooves.....

BTW....The party had great food, and more entertainment!!.....Garland played a few acoustic songs, an accapela group from the Island performed and a jazz musician blew us away while a pianist and upright bass musician duo accompanied him........while we ate and drank Mojitoes......cuban rum and mint drinks (Well....that was my choice)....When Garland came to chat with us I asked him about Grinders Switch (since a few of you go on about them) and he told me that you should leave the past behind.....;-D.....Psst....When he gave me a big hug.....I could smell his great cologne.....(must be Versace or Dolce and Cabana)......He could tell that I was the hugging kind....;-D

Hopefully I will be seeing Garland again for great song writing and singing at The Horseshoe Tavern on Sunday in Toronto!

Crabgrass (He doesn't like us to call him Crabby, Crab, Crabster just as I don't like to be called BEG because I am too proud to BEG!) took me to a music shop that I had never been to before in NYC and he found for me an UNRELEASED ROBBIE SONG CALLED THE FAR LONELY CRY OF TRAINS.....1991....I just heard it now on vinyl and it's an instrumental and Robbie is only singing (crying) the words of the title at the end of the song.....Reminds me of Robbie trying to reach Richard.......

We also heard a boot of Levon and The Hawks but we looked at each other like......nope......The sound was terrible so I settled for a boot of The Band at Roosevelt Stadium and I bought a Band poster from Winterland Show and.........There! I'm still a Band fan.....but I keep my mind, ears and eyes open for new possibilities also......

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roslyn

Jerry _ Please give us all the details after you see that show later on this month. Okay?

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Fred

BWNWITennessee: No a crazy gaijin isn't like a crazy cajun. All foreigners (i.e. nonJapanese) in Japan are labelled as gaijin (well, officially as gaikokujin..it says so on every document I have issued by the Japanese government, especially my ID card). According to most of the media and a large portion of the Japanese population WE are all crazy: especially when we don't follow Japanese social etiquette like losing one's temper in public (funny though when Japanese people lose their temper in public nobody calls them "crazy Japanese") or using femmine words if you are a guy because you don't know any better or just plain forgot(for example saying Be Careful in Japanese is said one way if you are a man and another way if you are a woman...the basic word is the same, only the ending of the phrase is different); or just because we're not Japanese, hence we are crazy (even if we're not crazy).

Could be that a long time ago some truly crazy foreigner washed up on thses shore, now we are all crazy by association.

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BWNWITennessee

I've heard Otis Redding was a pretty spectacular performer, not that I was around to witness it.

I'm kind of surprised at the number of new Band releases and remasters we're getting. Let's admit it, they're not exactly the Rolling Stones in terms of popularity. Someone must be buying a lot of this new product, though, for the labels to keep putting out new configurations.

Fred, is a crazy gaijin something like a crazy cajun?

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Phil

There's also that nice big fat Gibson he plays during Evangeline and the double Mando-Guitar thing in The Weight from TLW. Both Gibson's but what models they are I haven't got a clue.

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Phil

Subject: RR and Gibson guitars

Sam: During the 1976 tour and at TLW, Robbie played a black Gibson Les Paul on Acadian Driftwood. I suspect it was tuned to an alternate tuning. He also played a Howard Roberts Gibson as seen in Brown album photo's. There is also a photo of him on this site playing an SG with Dylan from the 1974 tour, I believe.

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rosalind

Oh Yeah! Thanks Roger...for answerin' that question Rich asked ME! You Bum :)

Time Life Video released an "Ed Sullivan's Rock and Roll Classics" series from a couple of years back. I called the number on the television commercial and asked them to look up and see if any of the videos had The Band on it. Naturally the operator asked me "What band" and I sang "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" to her over the phone. "Yes" was her answer after five minutes of lookin'. But.... It would have cost me about two-hundred bucks to get the video because they sent them out in a certain order. I tried to talk her into letting me have "that" one now. No Go.

I saw that show. They didn't know how to shoot them. Close-ups of each face, burlap and a couple of bales of hay for atmosphere. How many numbers did they do that night? Only "Cripple Creek" was on the TV classic show series "The Best of Ed Sullivan" that I saw. I remember Pearl Bailey was on the same show. I just looked up the free video they sent me "www.timelife.com" ..I'm going to go in there and see if I can find it.

Yeah..Nice pictures of Robbie. Not bad kid.

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Fred

Alan Edge, esq.: having spent the better part of the week with my daughter in the hospital, I read "Faith" and couldn't stop from laughing out loud. The nurses were going to lock me up in the psych ward at one point as they thought they had a crazy gaijin (that would be the Japanese term for foreigner, which really translates into person from outside..although the correct term is gaikokujin--person from an outside country) on their hands! How can I become a Liverpudlian?

Band Box Set: like someone pointed out stuff from SNL and Ed Sullivan would be good. But is this Box Set just another attempt to get us to part with our hard earned cash. I though the remasters would have been enough

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Bayou Sam

Nice pics of Robbie. That's one sweet Les Paul they gave him - Has RR ever used a Gibson? he's always been a Fender man. Maybe he'll be inspired by the 'Paul to do some music.

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Caledonia

In the 1960's, drummer Mickey Jones always took a home-movie camera on tour. On the road with Trini Lopez and Johnny Rivers, Jones shot silent footage on buses, in hotels and at shows. And he had an 8 mm color Kodak camera with him in 1966, when Bob Dylan hired him to be the drummer on Dylan's first electric world tour. Jones filmed Dylan and his group - the future members of the Band - sightseeing and onstage.

Thirty-six years later, Jones, now an actor, presents previously unseen excerpts from his reels in a ninety minute video and DVD release, 1966 World Tour: The Home Movies. He describes his time with Dylan over short clips and a bed of Dylan songs played by a tribute band, Highway 61 Revisited. "It's silent footage, but with the music under my narration, you get the feeling you're there listening to Bob" Jones says.

The European leg of Dylan's turbulent '66 tour was filmed by D.A. Pennebaker for the unreleased Eat the Document. But Jones had his Kodak rolling the entire time. "I'd get on the corner of the stage and shoot Bob acoustic," he recalls. For the electric sets, Jones gave his camera to a roadie, who filmed the whole band. The Home Movies also includes a rare glimpse of Dylan's April 19th televised concert in Melbourne, Australia. No original broadcast tape has surfaced: Jones caught the show by aiming his camera at a monitor in the mobile-studio truck.

A surprise bonus is live footage of the Beatles at the Olympic Theater in Paris in early 1964: Jones met and filmed the band while touring with Lopez, who was on the bill. "But I did this project because I know Bob Dylan fans are starved," Jones says. "We should share this."

I can't wait to see this DVD! I also wish D.A. Pennebaker would release Eat the Document. I remember someone on the GB recently mentioned that there were plans for it to be released (is that correct?).

Nick: Thank you for the quick response re: Rick Danko's "new" CD. I neglected to put the word 'new' in parenthesis so that you would know I was referring to a re-release. I was trying to find out if the reissued CD included any bonus tracks. Do you have any additional information?

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John D

Just reading Pat Brennan's great post and Susan earlier and others. It may sound strange but I think if Capitol and Robbie were smart. They would check out this site and ask for a few consultants. The reason is obvious. People on this site are so deeply into the music.....not only for music's sake; but historically........I think we could all make a pretty good contribution as well as letting the powers that be know...... what would sell to us. One of the reasons a Bill Inglott from Rhino and others are great

Susan is right about the "obvious tracks" been thrown in again. I don't really need another album version of "Stage Fright or Up On Crippled Creek" unless it is different from the original released. We now have a few boxes of those. Some may point out; however that they would like everything "together." Right now I'm eyeing the Band Audio DVD of TLW.

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Al Edge

Bill - my missus reckons you've got me to a tee - she's searched for years for the appropriate word for me - unsophisticated [if she's being kind], uncouth [if she's still being kind], slimeball [if she's hovering some place between kind and moderately unkind]- you get the picture? Anyroad, she thinks 'tacky' kind of encapsulates it all under one convenient roof. She sends her thanks. :-o)

Richie/Pete - this Ray Davies thing is reaching epidemic proportions - he's got us lot down for the end of the month! Naturally being English I'm banking on a Lola or three!!

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Patch

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Roger Woods

Subject: Richard Farnsworth

Richie - you mean "The Grey Fox" - smashing little film. Jan and Al - I'll buy you both a drink at the Everyman on 21st - our tickets arrived today. I'll scan in the flyer Jan for the site. Josh wants publicity for the event - so all who can get to the Everyman, Hampstead on November 21st at 6.00.

For ticket details go to What's New.

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Pat Brennan

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Peter Viney

Richie- we have tickets for tomorrow night for Ray Davies. Delighted to hear there's plenty of Kinks stuff. I have nothing against later stuff, but I'm not so familiar with it. If he plays Waterloo Sunset and Celluloid Heroes I'll be in heaven.

Definitive Band box? Phew. i did an article on what's missing years ago on the site. Some of it's out now. A lot of other stuff I never knew about is out too. We'd want the complete Levon & The Hawks. Little Birdies from Winterland, or better still, an unknown studio cut of the same. The truth about several live tracks. And then at least four or five things NONE of us ever knew existed. Preferably Robbie-written songs (I doubt these exist). What about a bit of that Paderewski thing he was working on? Didn't someone (Hoskyns?) say once that 18 minutes of it existed? Or is it my imagination?

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Gene

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Susan

Well, what I hope won't be there are selected tracks from the albums. So many box set seem to be put together as if that's the only item by the artist that someone will own, and a representative sample of their released work needs to be gathered. So we get one or two disks with stuff any real fan already has, and then maybe one disk of rarities, outtakes and alternate versions. This third disk is the only one that gets played. Robbie needs to do better by us, and give us things we can't get elsewhere. I personally would like some cleaned-up stuff from the early Hawks tapes that are around. And I'd like some of the stage chat as well. I find this fascinating, and memory-invoking, since I used to spend time with a band playing similar places in the later 60s.

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ritchie

Subject: anything

been away. great to be back. roz. totally agree with you. the straight story is brill. hard to believe that the same director who gave us lost highway, eraserehead and blue velvet(all great films) could give us something so charming as the straight story. richard farnsworth was incredible. what was that western he was in where he played an elderly train robber ? help please roz, i havnt got a clue. saw ray davies last night. fantastic. his new solo stuff is excellent. most of the show was kinks material. awsome. peace all. rich

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John D

This was part of an article that appeared today when Robertson was in town for the Dana Glover CD Preview.

"I'm in the midst of a bunch of different things. I'm just starting to do some writing. I'm finishing up the music to Gangs Of New York. Capital is releasing a thing called Classic Masters of my music. It's some different variations, some different versions, different mixes of the First Nations music that I've done. And then at some point I have to start putting together the definitive box set of The Band."

Now as happy as one could be to hear more Band material, my question is......I thought we already had one or two "Definitive" Band boxes. Yeh I know.....we know they weren't really; but it is getting expensive. Let's hope this "Definitive" Band Box will be done really well. That would include the best mixes of "The Hawks" recordings......Go Go Liza Jane etc. and out-takes galore. I know that much went apperently "missing" and others were lost in the fire at Garth's home in California.

SO HERE'S A NEW THREAD for a moment or two.......what would you like to hear that you feel exists out there or rumoured to exist on this "Definitive" Band box Set. I'll bet they'll be some great answers.

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Peter Viney

It's good to see Robbie looking so well in the new photos, receiving his Gibson award of a new Les Paul. However, at his age he should consider the osteopath bills he will mount up by playing such an excellent but heavy guitar. I hope he sticks with Fender for the sake of his shoulder muscles. I'd sign the Les Paul, and then dump it via Ebay. Or hang it on the wall.

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Bones

Robbie and Clive Davis had their picture taken together at an event for Rod Stewart who has just released an album of standards. The picture can be seen at wireimage.com.

David Powell: Thanks for the interesting info on the Scorsese/Spielberg projects.

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Gene

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John W.

Gene - She's no Anna Kournikova

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John W.

Al Edge - Good to hear the E Streeters are rockin' Europe. From what I hear this is a fantastic tour, although I have not caught them in a few years. They put on some of the best shows I ever saw. First time, 1978 - The Darkness of the Edge of Town tour. New "Darkness" material, plenty from "Born to Run", and older stuff like "Spirit in the Night" - 4 and a half hours. Great. But the peak was a couple years later, that was the "River" tour in 1980 when "Hungry Heart" was a hit. Never saw unlimited energy like those shows. Loved "Born in the USA" and later tours as well, but just never thought they were quite as good again as the fall of '80 on the River tour. Other great performances I have seen by The Band, Santana, the Allmans on a good night, the Stones, Ringo's All-Stars with Levon and Rick, and others near the top, but nothing tops Bruce and the boys. Uniquely American? Nah. Such talent could come from anywhere. McCartney, Lennon, Richards, Plant/Page etc. for example.

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Gene

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bob wigo

Al,

I couldn't agree more with your appraisal of Springsteen's live performances and the energy he puts forth each time out. I'm certain I've seen no performer as consistently strong over such a long period. I've been fortunate to see him many, many times dating back to 1972's Main Point show, through the mid-sized halls here and on to the arenas and stadium shows. His energy is truly his gift and, unfortunately, his recordings have never done his performances justice. That having been said I won't be discarding any albums for singles any time soon.

I don't believe his being American has everything to do with it although there is no question about his connecting to the American vibe. He's a street kid, born of somewhat difficult circumstance, raised by a great mother and a drinking, hyper-critical father. The music was the way out. Not unlike many other Rock and Roll stories.

While the energy and charm of his earliest work is unique I believe he has managed to remain vital as a songwriter and, undoubtedly, as a performer. I've said it here before...he's an average guitarist and an average singer who knocks me over every time I see him perform. His band is always meticulously prepared and fabulously talented. I'm very happy for you to have had such a wonderful concert experience. He's always a solid bet.

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Bill

Al Edge: First, how is 'scouse' pronounced - to rhyme with mouse, loose, cows or ooze? Second, it seems tacky of you to stand at someone's T-shirt stall while wringing out your own shirt. Did no one complain? Third, while I like just about everything I've ever heard by Springsteen, and will listen happily to it, the only thing I've kept is the "Born to Run" LP, and I'll dump that for the 45 if I ever find a clean copy cheap. Seems to sum it all up for me, even if it's only a couple of years into a long long career.

As for intense impacting performances, the best for me have been John McLaughlin and Carlos Santana at Maple Leaf Gardens in '74 and Danny Brooks and the Rockin' Revelators at Clarke Hall in Port Credit in 2001. A couple of fondly remembered bar gigs around 1980 - by Eugene Smith and the Warm-Up Band at the Hotel California and by BB Gabor and Instaband at Grossman's - may have reached that level as well, but the set-break-set-break-set format makes comparison difficult.

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Lurker

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Bill

John D: I'm unable to see the gospel show, which pains me greatly. If you have it, would you please pass along John F's email address to Maud. (If you don't, email me and I'll send it to you.)

Peter V brought up the subject of dirty limericks. This immediately recalled to mind "the man from Nantucket", which reminded me that I'd meant to post about Mountain drummer Corky Laing's newish book, "Stick It" Rock 'n Road Stories". Lotsa funny stuff, forward by Levon, picture of Corky with Rick and Corky with Richard. One of the stories is about how Corky has two gold records for the Woodstock soundtrack, although he wasn't even there: one for co-writing "Yasgur's Farm" and one for overdubbing the undermiked drums on "Going Home" by Ten Years After (who were also, cosmically, also mentioned in one of Peter V's most recent posts.

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Al Edge [Straight as a camel's donga]

Subject: Reflections

As I was only saying to my friend Gordon in bed last night... :-o)

Just back from beautiful [Gay]Paree where I was privileged to witness what I would rank as one of my favourite ever Bruce Springsteen performances. Warm, rousing atmosphere, reciprocal performances from all the E-Streeters. As for the man himself, he was...well has there ever been ANY artist who gives his fans so much of himself as Bruce Springsteen. If so I've not had the privilege of seeing or hearing them.

He naturally centred the show around The Rising and the title track plus a riotous Sunny Day [a la Hungry Heart] and Empty Sky were obvious highlights. He doesn't attempt the haunting Paradise for whatever reason. However, the stand out from the new album for me is a melancholic yet somehow uplifting 'You're Missing' complete with mesmerising harmonies with Patti and Nils Lofgren and electic fiddle by a mean lady fiddler whose name escaped me.

As you'd expect, underpinning the show are some of the old stalwarts. Unfortunately he can't as ever fit in more than a sprinkling. It means there is no Thunder Road, Racing in the Streets, The Promise etc but this is more than compensated by monumental versions of She's the One, Badlands [by virtue of British audience members persistent loud humming of the bridge melody], Promised Land, Backstreets, Born to Run, revamped Dancing in the Dark and Born in the USA.

Impossible with any real conviction to pick one single highlight from 2 and threequarter hours of such outpouring and communion but I guess if I had to plump for one then his solo piano take of 'My Hometown' was the one that most made these eyes moisten. Possibly more poignant in its own way given its solo delivery and reverent crowd harmonising than the entire Rising set.

Reflecting on the gig with a mad U2 Irish couple immediately afterwards at the T-shirt bar where I was wringing dry my shirt. They confided in me - unprompted I assure you - that the latest U2 set they'd seen several times - as fine as it undoubtedly was - was so much Mickey Mouse compared to what they had just witnessed with Bruce.

It is, of course, churlish to compare and naturally the most recent is often the most prominent in the consciousness but it does make you reflect upon the magnitude of Springsteens live performances when he can prise out responses such as that from fanatical fans of other artists, not least Irish U2 devotees.

Leaves me to ask a few questions of fellow GBers with all their many years exposure to a wide ranging litany of magnificent artists.

First - is Springsteen unique in terms of the sustained virtually spiritual deliverance he offers his audience every time he steps onto that stage?

Second - Is it only America that could have produced the pure rock'n'roll/gospel/soul/pop real McCoy animal into which Springsteen has evolved - and don't forget I say that as a native of the place that spawned The fab four and as an eternal devotee of our boys with four matchless Canadians?

Third - for all the acclaim of The Rising album, the beauty of Land of Hope and Dreams/Philadelphia and the Tunnel of Love album, for all the magnificence of The River/Nebraska and Born in USA albums - did Bruce Springsteen, in fact, achieve his ultimate art with those earlier peaks of Badlands, Born to Run, Promised Land, Jungleland, Darkness and Streets?

Fourth - is EasyJet the finest airline ever? - Paris return flight £42. Barcelona £110

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Peter Viney

Fred- I once sat through a meal in Japan where several gaijin (non-Japanese) ladies discussed their feelings towards sumo wrestlers. I haven't bothered to diet since. I was astonished at the time, but as you say, even sumo wrestlers have groupies. Probably more than most bands!

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Me Again

That should have read....Unfortunately racism in footie occurs NOT only in the former....

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Fred

Unfortunately racism in footie occurs in the lands of the former Iron Curtain...the making of those dreaded monkey sounds occur in Italy too. It's disgraceful. I say dock the points and make future games played behind closed doors (i.e. no public allowed into the stadium) A hefty fine would be icing on the cake. Wishful thinking on my part!

Even sumo wrestlers have groupies!!

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JTull Fan

Subject: No Name and 'Famous' Amos

No Name: When chocolate chip cookie guru Wally 'Famous' Amos lost the rights to use his name,he went back into business as Uncle Noname, as he had 'No name'. Are you, could you be, him?

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bob wigo

Bassman,

I always heard "life's a pleasure, love's a dream" but I'm not certain.

Peter, I'm not sure the scoreboard is where the answer can be found. Why not bring in a film and sound crew, record it all in full surround with lots of tight shots and force the idiots to sit through three hours of it themselves.

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Peter Viney

Roslyn: “I’m With the Band” was indeed Pamela de Barre’s book. Years sinceI read it but I think The Band themselves escaped mention. Someone who peruses these sordid tales with greater attention might know. BWN? Any info? :- )

My position on Robbie has often been stated. He’s the one who’s moved forward into new fields, which is to be commended. He and Garth have most in common in the interests in new sounds and in the eclectic interest in different forms of music. I wish they’d do something together. It seems that the two of them more or less finished NLSC together, and the two of them collaborated on the post-production on TLW. In both cases, the other three had less to do with it after the initial sessions. That’s why Garth was such an important person at the TLW premiere. He’d put in the work with Robbie. Then listen to “Sea To the North”. Listen to Robbie tracks like “Twisted Hair”. I don’t think they’re miles apart. However, playing stuff like Crazy Mama and Stuff you Gotta Watch in the 90s Band might have been fun, but was below Garth’s immense creative ability level.

It’s instructive to visit musical genres you’re not immersed in, and last night was flamenco with Joaquin Cortes. Very good live stage sound, and he was reactive to the audience (unlike say Riverdance which has absolutely fixed routines)- I loved the rhythm section, guitars and string section, but the singers take a bit of getting used to for my ear. While they all stood looking serious, just one person bent down and took a swig from a bottle (of water)- yes, you guessed, the only wind player, the flautist. Twas ever thus with the horn section! Still, they must need to wet their whistles. Cortes was brilliant, and with 11 musicians and 7 singers gave his money’s worth over nearly two hours, shaming those “exact contractual 90 minutes” rock stars of late (Dr John and Van M). I have seen a bit of flamenco (including the original Antonio Gardes “Carmen” in Madrid with Paco de Lucia on guitar), and it is odd to see it done with zero interaction with other dancers, but I guess he’s the star. It’s a bit like watching Ten Years After transposed from fingers to feet - Jesus, that solo was fast. And so was that one. Bit similar though. And the third one’s even faster, but not very different , and this next one’s blindingly fast … but about the same too … Still, I’d recommend it if it comes through your town.

Ritchie- emerging from the concert, I stopped to read the plaque on the “Court Royal” wall. It became a miner’s rest home in 1947, but prior to that was a hotel, and was the site where Marconi received his first radio transmission in 1898- beamed from the Isle of Wight. Wish they’d kept the transmitters going for the 1969 festival.

It’s depressing to see the discussions of England’s football match last Saturday against Slovakia in Bratislava. For those in North America who won’t know, England’s black players were taunted with monkey noises every time they touched the ball. Not by a few spectators, but by most of them. Can you conceive of that happening in 2002? The players say it happens every time they play in Central or Eastern Europe against teams from ex-communist regimes. Clearly tolerance was not part of the pre-1989 curriculum. English and French black players suffer most. Still, as Emile Heskey said afterwards, when you receive racist taunts in that quantity, there’s only one answer. The Jesse Owens answer. Win the game. Which they did. For me, the only way to stop it in international competitions is to deduct points from countries that allow it to happen.

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roslyn

Band? Wasn't that title already used by those couple of prostitutes, groupies? what ever they were? Geez.. Did you MEAN to take it in a direction like that? ....

Bob _ I'm curious as to who you might have closer the top of your list.. if you refer to Robbie as just being an "Alright Guitarist"? I would choose Robbie and Dan Lanois over any Jeff Beck in the world simply because I respond to cutting emotion rather than all that technical stuff that I find boring and ordinary.

I was glad Robbie found his own distinct solo voice outside The Band. As it turned out...he certainly needed it.

As we already know, RR is a master of disguise. If he were to write a book, unlikely as that sounds, we probably wouldn't get the whole truth and nothing but the truth out of him either. So everybody in The Band or even close might just as well keep their mouths shut altogether ...save for Garth of course...

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Bayou Sam

Bob Emu = I have to agree with your wonderful discriptions of LH, RM, GH, and RD (except that I never think of him as nasal) - but why compare RR's solo work to the Band material. It's a shame IMHO that because Robbie expanded into different directions it would affect someones thinking of him with regard to his importance in the Band . Why let that happen.

One can have any problem they want with Robbie, post 1978 or so - but when you hear Dixie, or The Weight, or whatever, you ought to give Robbie his due when you think about the players.

Sometimes I can't figure out how some fans who have built up such a dis-taste for Robbie can even listen to Band music at all. Does'nt it piss you off that he's even on the Band albums. The man moved on - God bless him.......I know, we've been through this a million times. It just boggles my mind sometimes.

keep on keepin' on Robbie.

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Laura Lorfing

Subject: Sir Paul

Saw Paul last night here in Houston and WHAT A GREAT SHOW!! So many old songs I was surprised he did (Michelle, Blackbird, Ellenore Rigby, Lady Madonna). I knew he was going to cover alot from the "Wings" period but had no idea he would cover so many songs he and John wrote together. It was such a great show. He told a great story about George and sung a song in his memory. He did one for the lovely Linda too. He talked to the audience here and there. You just don't get that at a big show. When you see somebody for example.... like The Stones, your lucky if Mick introduces the band halfway through and then they press on. It was great to listen to Paul tell a few stories here and there. He also looked like he was really enjoying himself...no rush to play and get out. He came out for 2 encores. The final one being Sgt. Peppers of course! Go see Paul. I highly recommend this show to anyone out there thinking of going. PEACE!

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Bob Emu

IMO, That's no title for Robertson to use. He's an all right guitarist, but he's not who I think of when I think of the Band.

I think of Levon's delightful Dixie vocal cords and his bayou folk drumming, Rick's sweet, nasal voice and funky bass, Richard's haunting falsetto and his elegant piano and Garth's... well, Garth's way of being.

Compare RR's solo albums to everybody else's. Tell me which remind you of the Band and which don't.

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Garth at Healy's (some thoughts)

Next, Healy introduced Garth saying he would be occupying the keyboard chair (the setup was digital piano and a classic Hammond organ). The guys launched into The Shape I'm In. Garth was in great shape mostly sticking to the piano but adding delicious Hammond solos. The vocals were handled by a young bass player who really had the Rick Danko vibe down pat. Unfortunately, none of the three guitar players on the stage had a clue what to do with Robbie's solos. Still, it was Band material and that's what I came to hear. They launched into Up on Cripple Creek next. Garth stuck to the piano and did judo chops to it where the clavinet part usually is. He never played the roller rink organ part on the chorus even once to my disappointment. Remember how Robbie isolates this part on Classic Albums? I wish Garth did!

There were a few more highlights in the set. Maud Hudson did a dramatic reading on Blind Willie McTell. This was a great moment. I was hoping she'd launch into It Makes No Difference right after this but I was out of luck. After a few more songs, the set ended with Jeff Healy taking the lead vocals on I Shall Be Released. This song really suited his voice well and his guitar solos and those of his colleague (who plays slide guitar) finally hit the mark. Garth played piano throughout this song unlike the organ he played on Big Pink or Richard's original piano part.

At this point, I had to leave but I was going to stay if Robbie was coming for the last set. I spoke to one of the band members who said he doubted it. Honestly, it wouldn't have been a big deal for him to come and play a few solos, sing Out of the Blue, give Garth and Maud a hug and then split. A small gesture like that here in his hometown would have generated a lot of good will. Unfortunately, it didn't happen.

I am so glad Garth has done three shows (Levon has played two) in Toronto in the past few months. It is a real pleasure to see him perform and it's like magic when he takes the stage. He seems to be having fun, too. I really hope that he and Maud feel welcome in Toronto and make it their second home. I know I'll be there when they come back next time.

Lawrence Brissenden

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Pat Brennan

In reference to the term "all over it", Garth contribute hugely to the three songs he's on, including Resurrection where he plays a ton of stuff besides the solo. His contributions to the songs are immense, not just occasional noodlings, and its obvious that a lot of care went into his tracks. In fact, keyboard work--whether by Garth or some other worthy (including Robertson)--drives most of the album. Whatever the case, it seems obvious that Robertson and Garth work well together. Again, inspect Robertson's work since Storyville. Native American and techno. Robertson's style has moved away from Garth's particular genius, and perhaps Robertson is now more interested in showcasing Native American musicians.

On site is an interview which spells out clearly that Levon nixed--with Rick's evident approval--Storyville being a Band album, even though both Rick and Garth eventually appeared on it. As has been discussed here earlier, Storyville as a Band album with Levon and Rick singing and playing would have been most welcome in these parts.

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No Name

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s.h.waghar

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Dave

Subject: Toronto Sites

I'll be in Toronto soon. What are the Band/Hawk-related sites I can visit? Is Richard's grave close by? Rick's old butchershop???

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Pat Brennan

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bassmanlee

Subject: TLW Audio DVD

The review on the new page (linked under "What's New") for the DVD Audio seems to indicate one can play it back on a DVD player in Dolby Surround - and that it sounds better than the CD. Hmmm...being that a 5.1 system is out of the question for the forseeable future does this make owning the disk worth it? What is on it that is not on the box set?

I don't recall 'Down South In New Orleans' appearing on any previous release. Is this the same song that's on Hungry Chuck's one-and-only LP?

"Down South In New Orleans
Prettiest girl I've ever seen
Life's a treasure, Love's a treat
We made love to a Rhumba beat
Ship's at anchor, my suitcase packed
One way ticket, I ain't goin' back
Life's a treasure, Love's a treat (?)
Down South In New Orleans..."

Empty Now, did I dream that somewhere back there that you attributed Happy Birthday to Happy Traum? If so, you were joking, I hope...see above.

Peter, Al, et. al. - It must be because you guys are so fond of Queens...

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Pehr

"I'm with The Band"

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David Powell

I almost forgot -- Happy Birthday to our esteemed host!

Rumors have it that the early galleys for Robbie Robertson's autobiography have the title of "When In The Hell Richmond Really Fell and Other Tall Tales" (:-}.

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David Powell

Subject: Scorsese / Spielberg

Bones: Word is that John Williams is doing the soundtrack (at least the non-needle-drop music) for Spielberg's "Can Me If You Can". In addition to young Mr. Di Caprio, that film also features Tom Hanks, Christopher Walken and Martin Sheen.

Scorsese's "Gangs Of New York" will feature music from U2. The long-delayed and overbudget epic for Miramax faces even more competition at the box office than the DreamWorks/Spielberg film. During the month of December the following films will premiere: "Analyze That" (sequel starring Billy Crystal & Scorsese's old buddy Robert DeNiro, who reportedly turned down a role in "Gangs..."), the latest installment of "Star Trek", "The Two Towers" (from the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy), "Chicago" (musical starring Richard Gere & Renee Zellweger), George Clooney's "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind", Roberto Benigni's "Pinocchio" and Philip Noyce's "The Quiet American". 'Tis the season when filmgoers, especially younger ones, fill the seats at the neighborhood multi-plexes.

As writer Kim Masters noted recently in the L.A. TIMES -- back in the early '90s, Spielberg was having trouble developing "Schindler's List" and offered the project over to Scorsese, who he greatly admired as a director. Spielberg shortly thereafter changed his mind and essentially traded the script for a re-make of "Cape Fear" to Scorsese in exchange for getting "Schindler's List" back. In addition, as part of the deal, Scorsese got a percentage of the gross for "Cape Fear" which, at the time, seemed to have more commercial potential than the other film. Scorsese was reportedly rewarded handsomely when "Cape Fear" took in $77 million and became, thus far, the highest grossing film of his career. Oh, by the way, Spielberg didn't do so bad either when "Schindler" went on to gross $96 million and earned the Academy Awards for best picture & director.

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John W.

The book should be ghost-written by Levon, this way Robbie can claim Levon only drove him to the library and they can have all-new Royalties disagreements!

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carmen

Subject: RR Book Tille

How about: Between Trains or Castaways.

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Bones

It looks like Gangs of New York will likely come before Christmas. Leonardo Di Caprio has another movie coming out Dec.25th called Catch Me If You Can, and the Scorsese picture will be released first it is assumed. Oddly enough, Robbie had an earlier meeting with Spielberg about the music to Catch Me If You Can. Not sure what became of it.

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Cody

Subject: A bit of help...

i was wondering if any here knew of how i could get a hold of a copy of the Genuine Basement tapes. the 5 disc one with the slew of big pink recordings. I know this is an innocuous and pretty elementary query for Band fans of your dedication, i just don't know where else to turn. i have asked some of those cd-r traders on the internet but have had no luck. i have been a lurker here for many, many moons now and finally extending this plea. The Band are nothing short of the greatest ensemble to ever play music in my opinion and i fear i am missing an integral part of their music by not having the 'real' Basement Tapes. any advice/help/etc is already appreciated. thanks!

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lifeboy

Robbie was in the Sunday Express this week promoting TLW dvd. He mentioned the price Richard and Rick payed for their drug use. He said he doesn't miss the road at all and described the idea of travelling from gig to gig like Bob Dylan and Willie Nelson as being obnoxious. The paper that I read it in was found in the pub, unfortunately I meant to bring it home but ended up getting hammered and forgot it, oh well.

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Peter Viney

Robbiography: I reckon it’ll be Rob Bowman if it happens- as for titles, I’m stuck between “A Damned Near Impossible Way of Life”, “This is the way of it” and “My Exciting But Short Life with Robbie Robertson” by The Fly. Hopefully it won’t be called “And (long pause) they booed us everywhere we went!!!” but I’d bet it’s a chapter title.

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David Powell

Subject: vinyl siding

I had the turntable spinning overtime this past weekend, catching up on the LP versions of some new music. "The Rising" (Springsteen & the E-Street Band), "Home" (Dixie Chicks) and "Demolition" (Ryan Adams) are available on smooth-sounding vinyl. It's nice to be able to listen to new music in the retro format of analogue!

Also spun some amazing blasts from the past, courtesy of the SUNDAZED label: Dylan's "Blonde On Blonde" and "The Byrds: The Columbia Singles '65-'67". Both of these two-LP sets are sourced from the original mono mixes, from back in the day when artists recorded separate mono and stereo versions of their material. Of course, this was a time when most listener's first heard music over the airwaves of AM (mono) radio, often while cruising in the car. Sadly, the days when you could hear almost any kind of music on the radio are long gone, with the exception of a few maverick stations, few & far between.

"We listen to the radio to hear what's cookin'
But the music ain't got no soul
Now they sound tired but they don't sound Haggard
They got money but they don't have Cash
They got Junior but they don't have Hank
I think, I think...the rest is...
A longtime gone"
["Long Time Gone" by Darrell Scott as sung by the Dixie Chicks]

"There goes the last d j
Who plays what he wants to play
And says what he wants to say
Hey, hey, hey
There goes your freedom of choice
There goes the last human voice
There goes the last d j "
["The Last D J" by Tom Petty]

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JTull Fan

Subject: Empty Now

Empty Now: Sorry you misunderstood my post; it was a humorous response to Jan's, not yours. I read yours and found it interesting, so let's just forget it and move on, ok?

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John D

Happy's To everyone today. Gobble Gobble from this part of the world.

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Peter Viney

For those who can't play Region 1 DVDS, The Last Waltz Region 2 came out today in the UK (yes, that late). The cover isn't as good- it hasn't got the card slipcase, but otherwise looks intact.

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jh

OK, I don't read everything here anymore, and I guess I misunderstood a little when I read "Gordon"'s "contact ad". A humorous thread about Englishmen's sexual preferences is acceptable, I guess. Besides, I know at least one straight limey. And he likes women so much that he sometimes wonders if he's a lesbian...

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Markku (Quos)

Subject: book

This talk about Robbie's book reminded me of a rumor I heard a year ago. Although nothing concrete, apparently such a book has been discussed (atleast to some detail, and for some time) with a well-known The Band writer (put your wild guesses here).

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roslyn

You use a pocket knife to keep your lip and eyeliners sharpened.
You pluck your brows with a pair of needle nosed pliers.
You have a Ford F150 with a gun rack, a Dale Earnhardt license plate frame, a confederate flag on the tailgate next to a bumper sticker that says "I sell Avon Skin-So-Soft"

Robbie's book should be called "I Wrote It But..."

Dressed Like A Wife _ I laughed out loud at your tractor joke too

What's the diff-erce between an accordian and a tramp-o-line? Ya take yer shoes off to jump on a trampoline.

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Dressed like a wife in Tennessee

This incident did get me thinking about the fact that The Band had a pretty Eurocentric fan base, judging from this website. Plus New Zealand, Japan; wasn't Supratik from India; where are you from, Empty Now? Sheyit, I checked my second favorite website, the Black Oak Arkansas Guestbook, and there wasn't a one furiner on that sumbitch. Well, there was someone from New Jersey, who made some disparaging comments about Jim Dandy, but he was from South Jersey, so we forgived him.

Based on how certain Levonistas tend to hold on to their opinions in the face of all evidence to the contrary, maybe if Robbie's was an attempt to explain his position, he could call it, "It Makes No Difference." (Although I do think "No, You're An Asshole" would be a pretty damn cool title for a book.)

Rosalind, don't sweat the Straight Story. Nobody responded to my response, and I thought it was pretty humorous. Cracked myself up with that one, I did, for about ten minutes. Sometimes when people don't respond to my posts it helps me to remember that when something of such perfection and purity is brought into creation, any type of comment or alteration could only possibly lessen its beauty. (That's also what I think to myself when people tell me to comb my hair.)

But in response to your last post - A man walks into a doctor's office for an exam. Afterwards, he goes back to the waiting room to hear the diagnosis. The doctor comes in after awhile and says, "Well, I have some good news, and some bad news. Which do you want first?" The man says, "Give me the bad news first." The doctor says, "Well, I'm sorry, but you only have two weeks to live." The man says, "Oh, my God. Well, what's the good news?" The doctor says, "See that pretty blonde nurse over there?" The man says, "Yes." The doctor looks at him, says, "I'm screwing her." (That was another Willie Nelson joke, so stop me if you heard it before. Ooops, too late. I think he told it on Jay Leno.)

What's the difference between bagpipes and an onion? Nobody cries when you chop up bagpipes.

This thread should really tick off those people who always say, "This is a BAND site! Vou must post about nothing but ZE BAND!!!"

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Dave Hopkins

Subject: Robbie's Book

I vote for "(Not) On The Road."

Although, to attract sales, he might want to consider "More P***y Than Frank Sinatra."

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Crabgrass

Subject: Robbie's Book Title

How about "And Then I Wrote..."

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J. Svegel

Subject: When are you coming to Colorado

Just wondering if you are ever coming back to Colorado -- we sure would love to hear you again live -- saw you way back in Boulder.

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roslyn

Anyway..I know this guy, he has the strongest sexuality I have ever been around. We were talkin' privately one night and he revealed to me that sometimes he splashes out over the top. He's sooooo full that sometimes he just can't help himself. What a hazel-eyed angel he is.

I was together with my family today...We all went to the Bedford Fall Foliage Festival. I got to play for them. They all call me "Roslyn" so that is how my name will be spelt here from now on....for Aunt Cassie and Aunt Maxine and in memory of my Grandmama Esther..

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rosalind

Subject: Refections In A Golden Eye...

Al..Was that you? And it seemed to come so natural..

There's this BBC America TV show comes across the water..I forget the name of it but it has this one guy that hosts, it's a talk show thing. He's always going into the audience and crackin' homosexual stuff. It's obvious that the guy and most of his audience are gay. The other night he had Liza and Boy George on and Liza's husband that gay guy named Guest. It struck me that a lot of folks in England must be gay...

Alright, since everybody is becoming soooooo sensitive today, I would like everyone to know how offended I am that hardly no one commented on my "Straight Story" post! #1 It was true #2 It was Heartfelt #3 It had Robbie and Levon as two old men who hadn'talked to each other in a long time. Maybe the reason was ... guilt. You guilty bunch you's :)

There was these two guys sitting in a restaurant...sitting up real close together like. And the owner walks over to them and says "Are you two sisters?" They look up at him and say "Hell No! We're not even catholic!"

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Diamond Lil

Empty Now: J Tull's post seemed to be reacting to Jan's post, and he too, seemed to be using humor.
I have a question for you Empty Now: The words you used, about your black skin soon turning a skeleton white.... what does that mean? I ask this respectfully. I was hoping you could explain it to me. Thanks.

You know.. I've always been incredibly impressed how so many folks out there speak english as a second or third language.. and yet very rarely is there any misunderstandings between us for language reasons. Maybe that's because music really is the universal language.

Have a good night everyone. Hug Jan.

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Amanda

I don't think J Tull Fan meant any ill will towards you or your post on geography. I believe he commented because Jan had to reprimand about something other than the usual,politics,feud,etc. We had a very testy time in here last year after the September 11th tragedy. I have been wanting to tell you that I think anyone who appreciates the honesty and devotion in the song "Sara" is someone special. Eric Clapton said something about the song somewhere. He thought that no one else, but Dylan, including himself, had the courage to write or perform a song like "Sara". I am looking forward to hearing it live on the new Bootleg Series. I wish you well.

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Bayou Sam

What could Robbie call his book?

Showdown at Big Pink?

Life With Levon?

Really! I'm A Good Guy?

No, You're An Asshole? - (credit to Tenn. on this one).

any other suggestions?

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Bayou Sam

Subject: music

I was in my local Sears store today, and as I walked through the TV dept. I was surprised by the site of the Beatles on an enormous screen TV set. It was the new Hard Day's Night DVD. The scene was the one where they are in the room with dozens of reporters ("no actually we're just good friends"). There was indeed some extra footage, and the picture quality was great.

Entered at Sun Oct 13 23:51:37 CEST 2002 from du-tele3-121.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.121)

Peter Viney

In the interests of harmony - I don’t see any ill intent by anyone here. There’s no nastiness intended. There is a minor problem in that this site could be misinterpreted by someone looking for certain buzz words, which is true of any site. No doubt complex machines are surveying EVERY website in the same way. When my own website went up, and we checked the log, we immediately had about 300 hits (i.e. every single page) traceable to “U.S. government” in the first two days, which I don’t put down as an interest in ESL (the subject of my site). All these popular sites are under surveillance, probably automatic, but nevertheless real – truly. Probably with reason, too. Hence it is mildly worrying if odd jokes are the kind of thing that could be misinterpreted. They search for words. You can guess what some are. Awful, and yes, it’s 1984, but it’s reality. Big Brother is indeed watching us. On this particular one, BWN made a joke about the British being gay (one that’s pretty international, in fact, and though it continues to perplex us Brits, it’s one we’re used to) , which got an automatic jokey response (as we always do), and I really don’t believe BWN will be any more offended by the response than we Brits were by the original remark. It’s merely repartee, and all meant and taken in fun. For a website run from an academic computer, it is a potential problem, as someone outside could take the joke as straight-faced – and that’s probably exactly the wrong expression – and imagine the site either as a weird dating agency, or conversely, as the centre of homophobic comments, neither of which is true. I greatly value both Al and BWN’s senses of humour and contributions, but feel I should comment, presumptously, on why it might be problematic for our host. Who I forgot to wish Happy Birthday … so Happy Birthday, Jan. The solution is for Al and Jan to buy each other a beer at the TWL Hampstead showing in November. I might have to come myself, deeply offending my wife who was looking forward to the theatre in Salisbury that evening, and buy both of them a beer if this doesn’t settle!

From A Distance: Empty Now makes a good point too. In the 70s I taught many students of all the nationalities he lists, and would have no trouble telling them apart. From A Distance, it might be hard to tell the difference between the English, Italians and Germans, though it would be so obvious to any European. Having taught probably hundreds of Algerians, Libyans and Saudis, it’s hard for me to believe they could be lumped together as one group, but it happens. Add Iran, and you add a completely different language to the equation. I think teaching English for so many years was a huge privilige as I got to know and like people from every nationality I ever taught. Ethnic humour can be taken the wrong way- the British have their Irish jokes (told much better by the Irish), the Americans have their Polish jokes, the Canadians even have American jokes … and as you know the French love their Belgian jokes : - ) But from a distance we all seem as one …

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Al Edge

Subject: Er....

Not quite sure what that 'admonishment' was about Jan but as I'll be away for a few days and out of respect for all the sterling work done by your goodself down the years on this marvellous website I will attempt a brief explanation.

BWNWIT lightheartedly pulled the legs of us Brits a few days ago about all Englishmen being gay. Taking it all in good heart I thought I'd make a few return jokes about it. Clearly my sense of humour has backfired - not for the first time I might add. 'I should have known better' to quote a fellow Scouser. I was forgetting myself. The GB is, of course, a vehicle for more serious communication - certainly not a place for the sort of buffoonery that comes so naturally to myself however harmlessly intentioned. Hope that clarifies the situation for you Jan, son.

Good night God Bless.

:-O(

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Empty Now

Life is very short and ther's no time for fussing and fighting my friend.

I told recently that i am also Belgian, the only people who doesn't fear words.
Look well Jtull fan, my last post is not politics at all, it's purely geography, human geography
You have nothing to teach me, there's politics of love and there's politics of hatery. And i observed your hatery since days, you are not the only one unfortunately. How far are The Band from their fans. But i heard about some most qualified psychiatric doctors in Richmond.

JTull fan, Keep cool brother, just a few days and my black skin will change to a pretty white skeleton, be happy! Jah prochekcht ya!

Jan, please inhibit all my IP addresses.

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JTull Fan

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jh

Jeez... take that somewhere else, will you? If not, all users from cableinet.co.uk (broadband provider in the UK) will be denied access to the interactive parts of this web site.

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Empty Now

I my last post i send some ardent greetings to whom I called the British people. Since there is an official and accurate terminology about this great people, that my humble culture never retained. I mean I can hardly make the difference between England, UK, Great Britain, Commonwealth, Crown territory....I wish add the present clarification to avoid ambiguity.

My greetings are intended to English, Walsh, the two Irish, Scots, Jersey Island, Isle of Man, Scilly Islands, Oakland, Ramsgate people.....The complete set indeed

Dont blame my ignorance, it's a little like what i observed in Euro-Am countries, where many persons dont make difference between Algerians and Afgans, Algerians and Iranians, Algerians and Irakis, Algerians and Saudii, Algerians and Palestinians, Algerians and Libians......

Geography, hard matter

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GORDON

Goodbye Samantha - HELLO Sam - or may I call u Sammy?????????????

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GORDON

Actually Sam you seem like my sort of guy - to hell with these american restrictions I LUV U SAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My bald eagle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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exit 40-nj

Subject: looking for Ron Vassallo

Looking for Ron Vassallo web page.

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Bayou Sam

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GORDON

i seek a male friend. must be english or sensible european. certainly no wifeless big butch baseball-capped lumberjack shirt-wearing american hunks need apply. should ideally have a preference for navy cake and admiral nelson sort of gear. right sided hair parting preferred though centre part will suffice at a push depending on size of admiral nelson headgear. must love to dance - esp the gay gordon. above all must swing all ways just like me and be a big band fan with impeccable musical and other credentials. duke ellington or count basie preferred. huge perfectly formed walnut shaped testicals would be a big bonus though medium sized pear-shaped ones can be accommodated

apply to gay gordon,

Lee-on-C

ENGLAND

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John D

I've really got to start proof reading much more carefully.

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Amanda

I second John D's post about your story. Fantastic! I bet a few of us can relate. What about that painting of your Woodstock experience????

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John D

What a great way to wake up to this morning with your wonderful story. I see now why writing is your passion. I was sorry to see your story end......I could have read on and on. Just one thing however..........when you live in Minnesota I don't think you can blame Canada for the cold.:-) Love to your wife and daughter and the twins. I eally hope we'll see you again after the winter storms blow.

On a serious weather note......this warming trend this year is weird. By this time of year, normally here in Ontario we could see beautiful autumn leaves. No such thing. Everything is green and summery. My daughter who arrived on Friday from Vancover, tells mw it's warmer here than there. Global warming? Maybe

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Peter Viney

BWN – Leigh-on-Sea is the subject of a particularly famous dirty limerick, which while not ranking in quality with There was a young man from Kent, or the young lady from Penzance, nor as filthy as the man called Hunt, let alone the Scot from the Isle of Muck, has the unusual virtue of an unpredictable rhyme at the end. I’m at a loss to explain this British apparition, as the person described in the limerick is a ‘young plumber’ rather than a naval type. Perhaps he was an Admiral, or possibly having heard American voices he was a hopeful seeking a job with The Village People. Or he was just an arsehole with a small motor boat and no dress sense. Anyway, the British motoring writer Jeremy Clarkson is famous for his humorous diatribes about various nationalities. He writes two columns in today’s Sunday Times, one on a new Ford car and one on Vancouver. Both have paragraphs about Americans. If you see an import edition, one is in the Driving section, one in the main paper, they are very funny, but I won’t repeat them!

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Empty Now

Each morning i get up i die a little
Can barely stand on my feet...............No link with this post, it's only my present feeling

Mentioning in my last post Art Tatum for the creator of Happy Birthday, i caught the opportunity of remembering the Tin Pan Alley saga, when songwriters had the ability of daily furnishing songs to various demand customers. It was the birth reason of Happy Birthday, and the tune itself became the universal model of success and simplicity. It has been translated in all the existing languages in the world, and it will stand trendy for a long time.

Meanwhile, i found that there are some related examples, i have no value judgement.
The quote is from John Lennon himself, that 'someone else made only Yesterday and Just another day'.........Artists competition is universal
The Mamas and Papas had Monday Monday, The Bee-Gees Holiday, and there are surely other examples for someone who get time to waste
My last example, which is really moving and respectable, then it does not fit into the list, is from U2, Sunday bloody Sunday. I mention it only for the pretext of expressing again my greetings and my reverence to all the BRITISH PEOPLE.
The day list is almost saturated

I'll never have the claim to shift the star from Jan, since it concerns the present post i just follow the post of Crabgrass by telling that my birthday is 18 june (Gemini) I swear it, like............................Paul MacCartney.

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BWNWITennessee

The only way in which I will compare myself to Garth is to say that we have both had people attempt to drag us into The Feud, and we are both simply much too classy and restrained to enter the fracas, or to reveal what our true feelings might be.

Peter, of course, I did not mean to imply that our British friends are lacking in any way in the horn-dog department, just that... well, when I was there, we were in this pub in Leigh-on-Sea and this guy came in wearing this navy blue pantsuit getup, with a gold stripe on the trousers and a row of brass buttons on the jacket. He looked like an Admiral! I couldn't help but think, "Man, he would not make it two minutes a neighborhood bar in the States." Excepting, perhaps, the southernmost portion of Florida.

Rosalind, but who would drive the lawnmower? Levon or Robbie? I'm sure if it was RR, he'd be criticised for being on a snazzy green top-of-the-line John Deere, with the optional power tilling attachment, natch, while Levon would be stuck having to commute on a dilapidated, oil-burning 1972 International Harvester.

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Dave Z

I think it's time for me to maybe sit a little farther away from the fire... and then go over the hill for a while... into lurker mode... I know, I know, another one who's feels the need to annoy us with an announcement... but first let me present the case... the evidence... the facts...

I promised to get my haircut upon return from various travels... and I did keep it... just in time for my wife's BDay... but, apparantly not short enough... Fact #1: My counter argument had to do with how good Weider's hair looks... and mine is not much longer... we compared assisted by high tech DVD video equipment...

To make up... I spent the day with the family in lieu of hard work I'm behind on... and we went to the apple orchard as a family... Fact #2: We left shortly after my eldest son (4 yr old) awoke... from sleeping on his toy accordian... while watching Live at N.O. Jazz Festival...

We drive past all the election signs... on the way to Belle Plain area... which read Swirtz, Awada, Hooten and my favorite... Studnicka for Sheriff... and see many firey red maples... Fact #3: I am wearing a red cap that says Canada on it... and I'm listening to Canadian music... the temperature drops 10 degrees on the way there...

After the Mexican pony rides... feeding goats... and seeing the largest pig in the area... we head inside to warm up with some piping hot apple cider... my little baby girl who is speaking her own unintelligable language up the yazoo street scandal as she evades hostile enemy twin brother fire... now utters the 2 words we do know... Fact #4: The first is "Gar" which she said as we sat down... the second is "Wow"... which she said while she was pointing at the accordian player...

Nowhere to go now but... straight into Fact#5: Actually the oldtimer was just packing up his... 1939 concertino... made by some character named "Patex"... beautfully inscribed and surrounded by what looked liked rhinestones... although it also looked Polish to me... it was mostly white...

Fact#6 & #7: We did strike up good intelligent conversation... and I did share one or two accordian jokes... It was a split decision on biggest laugh between Bill's from the GB... and the coal mine one from the London show... Because the old buggers assistant or ride shows up... to help him pack up... and transport... the concertino... he likes dumpster humor (younger at 55-60 yrs old)... but he also wants to check out the instrument himself... so we do get to hear some playing... and he has heard of Garth... the old guy's wind breaker (everyone else has on a winter coat except him and my wife... of course) reads on the back "Bill's Cabinet Making" or some such... he's much older and likes coal mine humor...

On the drive home... I'm starting to become aware of the extent of the problem when I realize that of the three people I know to ask the two questions that have formulated in my mind... two of them show up here... one tried to leave but he is waaaay back... and the third's wife has posted recently... oh yeah, the questions... Fact #7: "Was there a chance that concertino was not Polish but rather Romanian?"... and more importantly... "Do accordian players look up to or down upon concertino players?"... I mean after all, they laughed pretty loud at those jokes?...

And now for Fact #8... which is sending me scrambling to search this website for obscure T-Shirt trivia regarding the number "8" itself... due to the extent of my paranoia... We unwind in front of a big honking fire... by watching "The District"... during which "Coach" orders and receives in the presence of a "Charlie's Angel"... an... I can't say it... be strong... an accordian, because that's the music he heard in his death dream...

Now I must go away for a while... my little baby girl also... ate a whole hot dog quicker than I ate my DQ Blizzard w/o chocolate sauce with Rhasberry sauce... and for anybody who has seen how fast I eat... that is truely scarey...

Entered at Sun Oct 13 02:51:35 CEST 2002 from netcache-2004.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.198.63)

rosalind

Subject: The Straight Story

Interesting that this old grudge thing would rear it's ugly head again. I watched "The Straight Story" for the first time a few days ago. Everyone should do themselves a favor and sit down alone to watch that powerful piece of work. Richard Farnsworth gave us the finest gift any actor could ever give. He and David Lynch taught every human being one of life's most important lessons. I don't usually cry at movies.. but this one tore me up from beginning to end. Alvin Straight rode his lawnmower for 6 weeks across two states to get to his brother with whom he'd had a falling out with some ten years before. I read a few days ago that Farnsworth said that "Alvin had more guts than I do..I could have never done what he done" I thought, it wasn't guts that Alvin had..it was desperate real love for his brother. I was reminded of what Tom Joad said to that gas station attendant in "The Grapes of Wrath" when told by the attendent that "You people go more guts than I do" Tom said "It don't take guts to do something when there ain't nothin' else ya can do" Mr. Straight knew that. He knew that if he couldn't reach his brother he would die a thousand times. He knew that just having someone drive him there wasn't going to be enough for him or his beloved brother. So.. he afflicted himself for both he and his brother. Both of them needed more than just an apology. They needed brother-blood. That struck me thru-out the film. And sure enough, the last words spoken in the picture by his stroke-stricken brother played so wonderfully by Harry Dean Stanton were "You came all the way here on that?" Alvin looked back at his old worn-out riding lawnmower, smiled and said "Yeah" The movie is life-lesson to all of us. I sat and searched my heart...any grudge or unkind word I had ever spoken to anyone, any misunderstanding, came up before me and I acted upon it. I put three and a half hours on my long-distance phone card. The film made me also think of Levon and Robbie. Alvin said, when asked why he was doing all this "I just want to see my brother, talk with him and sit with him and look up at the stars together like we used to so many years ago". I'm glad Mr. Straight got to do that . I hope Levon and Robbie some how get to do it too...They got too much dream sharin' and history to to out like this. Sorry for pourin' my heart out in the Guestbook again.

Happy Birthday to the Webmaster. Thank You Sir.

Entered at Sun Oct 13 02:01:13 CEST 2002 from ool-18bc7fb9.dyn.optonline.net (24.188.127.185)

Bayou Sam

I guess you're right mystery person. I just seems to me that RR has moved onward with his pursuits since TLW, and being involved with his former mates hasn't been on the front burner - not that it necessarily should be. It pisses people off.

Thanks Peter. I have gotten many of those bogus e-mails so I know the reason the e-mail part was done away with. I will take your advice about the "@".....Hey Peter - I think you ought to contact Robbie and write his book with him. Your writing skills and knowledge of his career would work perfectly.

Ya see - not only do I predict the eventual RR book - but now I'm trying to initiate it.

Are any of you lucky bastards who live on the other side of the pond planning to go to this Harrison tribute gig? I'd love to hear about it after.

Hey, where's Butch been?

Entered at Sun Oct 13 00:44:39 CEST 2002 from 1cust190.tnt16.nyc9.da.uu.net (63.38.56.190)

Crabgrass