The Band Guestbook, September 2002

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richie

Subject: clarification

what i mean is explain empty now, not the actual french song. god! whats this wine iv been drinking. goodnight all. rich

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richie

Subject: nothing in particular

empty now.thank you so much for that amazing song about my forefathers occupation.i was very touched by it. question. empty now. what the fuck does it mean. i think youv explained it before. however having drunk a bottle of wine chilling out to the new stones comp. i havnt got the energy to scroll back. time for bed. by morning i shall expect an answer. goodnight all . rich.

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David Powell

Subject: A Post Civil War Re-Enactment -- Part II

George Stoneman sat at his desk in the Governor's office. Spread before him was the latest batch of pardons and prison cummutations awaiting his signature. Prison reform and rehabilatation were matters close to his heart. His detractors were furious over Stoneman's propensity for mercy towards thieves, murderers, scalawags, bushwackers and the like. The Governor, however, had certain first-hand knowledge of what it was like to fall victim to life's circumstances.

After West Point, his career in the military was doomed by a series of misfortunate events. He proved himself to be inept as a military tactician, but under William T. Sherman's tutelage in total warfare, Stoneman achieved a certain notoriety in the lesser arts of pillagery.

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Yazooman

Subject: Wow !!

Wow Empty Now !!! I am impressed !!

Tho the song I mentioned had nothing to do with them....you did mention some pretty interesting names.

Mrinal Sen is one the foremost directors of India, but he belongs to the slightly avant-garde style. Abstract and socialist in his view-point. Along with Satyajit Ray and Ritwik Ghatak he could be called as among the founders of parallel cinema in India.....Raj Kapoor on the other side is a symbol of commercial Indian cinema...from Bollywood. He is a legend as well....but I am not much of a commercial movie buff myself. I hate the song and dance routines. But if they are thinking Garth then mebbe its time for me to revise my opinion. ;)

Rabindranath Tagore is one of the greatest geniuses this world has ever seen. He is the Shakespeare of India, if one has to draw a parallel. But Tagore goes even beyond that. He is regarded as the father of modern Bengali language. He was a brilliant novelist, essayist, short-story writer, dramatist, poet, songwriter, music composer, painter, educationist. And a patriot to boot too. Along with Sen he also hails from the province of Bengal (where I come from). :))

However I have no idea of Gulbahar Singh, I wonder where you picked up that name. May be I am missing something ??

On the covers trip, Trey Anastasio of Phish did some nice covers of IMND when he toured with the Trey Anastasio Band. I have one concert with me, and it sounded pretty nice. Norah "Bessie Smith" Jones is the (illegit.)daughter of Ravi Shankar, another Indian and a Bengali as well. I have been listening to her lately and I simply love her voice. "Come away with me" and "No easy way down" are both haunting pieces that sound just perfect.

Bones: Thanx for the review.......need to track that show down...

yazooman attherateof rediffmail dot com

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jh

Subject: Norah Jones

Ms. Jones' live cover of "Bessie Smith" is very good, indeed, and (of course) it is available from this site. Just click the link above and a nice RealAudio stream with Nora doing "Bessie" will be delievered from the server to your home computer - free of charge :-)

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Bill

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Peter Viney

The number of recent cover versions of Band songs is heartwarming. Travis also played 'The Weight' well live on the Jools Holland Hootenay TV show.

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Bones

Subject: Norah Jones

I was reading this concert review from an August show in San Francisco where Norah Jones mentioned Rick Danko and Robbie Robertson before closing her set with a "countrified version of The Band's Bessie Smith". I wish she would record it for her next release.

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Pat Brennan

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Empty Now

Mrinal Sen, Chabindranah Tagore, Gulbahar Singh, Rash Kapor ?

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Dave Z

Yazooman... I wondered the same thing... here's what my quick Google yielded... http://www.kings.edu/womens_history/igandhi.html... anyway, what's that Stones tune... that goes... I'm a monkeeeey... do da doo da doo da do do?...It just popped into my head... and where can I sign my kids up for the brigade... btw, her energy for one brief instant also flash-reminded me of a former GBer... anybody remember Catbalu?... mucho missed around here... I lost a good frybread recipe she sent me too... btw, congrats to the Euro-GBers... on the recent Ryder Cup victory... hmmm, can anybody see Garth playing the bagpipes... and I bet Van could rip into a little white ball with some gumption too... pop the stones right off that little number he wore in TLW... anyway, welcome back Tommy... is the new Ryan Adams CD really any good?

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Donna

Once again, I am trying to do the old guestbook catch up here!

Jim Weider's Band at The Pattenburg House, Friday night was just wonderful! I didn't think I was going to make it to the show, and at the last minute, everything worked out! I was so happy to be there to see all the good people, some who traveled very far to be there. When they started the show with "Forever Young" I knew it was going to be a great night of music! When they played "Life is a Carnival" not one person was sitting down! Steve: You need to expand that dance floor! :) Donna, G-Man, and sweet Momma G, Michael Lenahan & Melody, Ruby, Bashful Bill, Frankie Ahart, Pat & Jack, Kelly, Pat & Rick S. and anyone I might of forgot, it is always a pleasure! Needless to say, many thanks to the Jim Weider's Band, for bonding such great friendship's through your music! The Band's music just has that power, to bond friendships through all the show's, and through this wonderful guestbook. Thanks Jan for all your hard work!

A Belated Happy Birthday to Maud!

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Pat Brennan

The latest from Mix in an interview with the recently (and unfortunately) deceased producer Gus Dudgeon. For those of you unfamiliar, Dudgeon was a storied British record producer who loved Americana type music, thus the perfect guy to do those early Elton John albums. "Levon" and "Tiny Dancer" are two shining examples of his and orchestral arranger Paul Buckmaster's work. Anyway, in perhaps his final interview, this nugget: "I loved bands like Little Feat and The Band, who were one of the finest collections of players ever put together in one group in my opinion." Agreed.

Also in Mix, a technical discussion with mixer Chris Fogel who worked on Robbie's "RedBoy" album.

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Yazooman

Subject: for all and sundry

Hi all,

Your favorite neighborhood Supraman is here again..... :)

Firstly who or what was Indira in Maud Hudson's post ? As in what was the significance ? The reason being that Indira is very much an Indian name...for girls e.g. Indira Gandhi. Is Purnadas Baul the link....?

Secondly....I dont remember this question being asked here before...but what type of Bass did Rick play ?

Now onto some more pressing matters.

Peter Viney is one of the reasons why we continue to have such stimulating, interesting and educative discussions here, and it is the same reason why I come here everyday and read every post. Viney, David Powell, Pat Brennan, MattK, Hank, JohnD (also our esteemed GB master, but then he is a different thing altogether ;) )......and so many else have taught me and many others so much about the music we love. And I know for a fact that much of what I know has just been picked up from them. I wish that some of this mudslinging would stop now.

In fact it was only Peter Viney and BEG's many posts regarding Van Morrison that first piqued my interest in VTM (apart from TLW). Lately I have acquired some 15/20 odd boots of The Belfast Cowboy and he is without doubt my current idol. I have one concert video of his frm 1997 Belfast (named Waterfront or something) which is simply brilliant !! And of course.....everytime I hear Moondance I am reminded of Diamond Lil, I remember she called it one of her favorite songs. Play on, ye olde Irish Bard !!

As for Travis, I downloaded their version of TW frm this site a long time back and they have done a fantastic job at capturing the spirit of the song. To me The Weight is like a never-ending song, it goes on in cycles and seems like continuing forever. I dont know of any equivalent in Rock Music but Dvorak's The New World somehow does the same thing for me. There is a very old Hindi film song from the 50s that also does the same for me but I doubt anyone here would have heard it.

Finally........Belated HAPPY BIRTHDAY wishes to the one and only Maud Hudson....heck, I am old enuff to be her son or even her grandson....so HUGS to Maud as well !!! We all love ya !!

love 2 all and take care

PS.Are there any updates on Garth playing in Bollywood movies ? And if he does come down to India some time, I would not mind making the pilgrimage. If Jerry was COOL God, then Garth is BENIGN God (Dont worry Crabby, I am still with you).

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David Powell

Subject: A Post Civil War Re-Enactment -- Part I

In the year of Our Lord 1885, California Governor George Stoneman stared at the smoldering ruins of his once-magnificent house. Standing on the grounds of his palacial estate, "Los Robles" (The Oaks), amidst the sprawling 400 acres dotted with orchards now blanketed in smoke, the Governor found himself lost in the haze of memories. He was transported back two decades in time, where on horseback on the dusty road to Macon, Georgia, he turned back to north through the darkness of night to watch the distant fires blazing through Atlanta.

Abruptly, the voice of his ranch foreman jolted him back to the present in San Marino, California, thousands of miles away from that moment and that war in the past. The memory still brought him a twitch of pain, as he recalled his capture just days later at the hands of the Rebels. But the voice drew him back, as he found himself choking on the smoke of the present -- "It must have been them Mexicans, General. I seen a bunch of them riding off just before the fire started."

Governor Stoneman thought to himself, "I'm always having to fight them rebels, first the Mexicans, then the Confederates, then the Injuns, and now the Mexicans again. Those sum-of-a-bitches always seem to put up one hell of a fight when defending their land."

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Empty Now

Thank you very much, you're the most attracting reason who make us scrolling daily the GB. At this instant you led me back to my normal state, cause my last post is (through the subject) irreverrential toward the GBers whom I have a great respect. I wrote it in a moment of ungry and musical passion

In a very few words you practically answerd to a whole set of mine posts. But there is an essential question, perhaps are you informed

Is Robbie Robertson the first guitarist who used the tremor (tremolo in italian generic musical term) in the history of rock players?
Thanks in advance.

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Bill

As for coal mining, one of the most affecting songs I can think of is the obscure "My Old Man" by Noddy Clegg and the Civilians. (I believe they were from just east of Toronto, but sang with fake English yob accents.) Another great Canadian coal song - though not about mining the stuff - is "Loading Coal" by the Five Sounds. An excellent Bo Diddly beat record.

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Charlie Young

Subject: What Lil Said...and Tim Rose

I agree with Lil's words about this great site. Most of the World Wide Web is as much of a vast wasteland as television, but this is an oasis and I hope Jan knows how much most of us appreciate it.

Rosalind: click the link for a fairly interesting obituary of Tim Rose. The bit about the supposed offer to replace Brian Jones in the Stones sounds unlikely but you never know...

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Diamond Lil

Wow! I just listened to Travis' version of "The Weight" (I had never heard it before)..and it's wonderful! Almost as good as The Jan's :-)
I had mentioned to our esteemed webmaster just recently that the wealth of information on this site is absolutely mind-boggling. If I had the time and the patience to actually sit here for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for a few weeks..I'm sure I still wouldn't hit on everything there is to hear and see here.
And so, in thanking Jan again for this amazing place, I also want to thank everyone out there for the contributions that have made this site so incredible.

Have a good day everyone.

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Peter Viney

Empty Now: I was pleased to hear about the Dua Noa / Khaled collaboration – just that there wasn’t anything to say except, ‘Good.’ It doesn’t totally surprise me either- I’ve taught classes with both Arabs and Israelis in the 70s (including through the 73 war) and they were able to get on well as ‘travelling companions’ within the class. You made an interesting football analogy on the status of various players in the team or the group. I agree that the midfield tactician is the key to a team, but I suspect that often attacking players (like lead guitarists) actually get the kudos. Perhaps that’s why Bob Dylan insists on those interminable but not inventive solos on stage.When you have a near unbeatable goalkeeper (drummer) and great attackers (guitar, lead vocal), you can afford a hungover, wheezing midfield. Think Charlie Watts, Keith Richards, Mick Jagger – as I’ve just bought “Forty Licks.” The Band of course had five midfield generals in one team.

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jh

Subject: Travis - The Weight

Actually, a high-quality MPEG-3 file with Travis' excellent cover of "The Weight" is available from this site - check the link above. The file contains the whole song, but don't tell anyone, ok?

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Empty Now

Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head,
Pretending he just doesn't see?

I am very very very disapointed that any of my recent posts received a feedback, specially, that anouncing the Hebrew / Arabic version of Lenon's Imagine by the Duo Noa / Khaled. I am listenning at this very moment to an MP3 version, in fact it is not bad at all...Our world today really needs to be informed of this kind of events.

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Brien Sz

Subject: Pull Hitting

LDO: I classify Mo as a pull hitter because they used the Williams shift on him a lot this year in the NL. In the second half he did hit a little more to left but just about all his HR's were to right field. He's not what he used to be, that's for sure...,

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franko

Subject: Calvin - Travis

The Weight is on the Travis Import called Coming Around. I found it in a local store about a year ago. At that time it was available at Amazon.

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Long Distance Operator

Brien, good post on pull hitters. I would add that Mo Vaughn would use the whole field when he played in Boston. He was adept at taking advantage of the Green Monster in left field at Fenway, which is why he was consistently over .300 and won an MVP there. If he's digressed into a strict pull hitter in Shea, that may explain his drop in productivity. Hit it where it's pitched, Maurice!

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Empty Now

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Michael Lenahan

Subject: G-Man retirement party

WOW!!!! What a night at the good old Pattenburg House, Steve the owner, put up a huge sign that said " Congrats G-Man...You finally hit the Spot"..I wounder who's spot he hit :o ? The JWB put one hell of a show on for the G-Man. They did an acoustic set, similar to the Carnegie Hall show. It was great to see everyone that showed up.....G and D, Frankie and his great crew, Rick and Pat, and Bashful Bill.....and lets not forget Mamma G. A big THANK YOU to the JWB for giving us such great music and being wounderful friends. Peace.

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Empty Now

Cause i am in a public cyberoom, i was scrolling the photo galery of this site when i heard one of two teenagers behind me telling his friend:

'Look, here is Robbie Robertson, the man who introduced the tremor in rock guitar playing'.

Today's teenagers in my lovely fatherland completely lost the good manners, they were watching MY screen behind my shoulder.
My first reaction was, i must verify this information. Public places are like the internet, you must verify the authenticity of all the informations you hear within. However, at the second and more meditative step, i was wondering why only one person retained the attention in a photo where four The Band members of equal merit are present.
In soccer ball, an old natural rule which is admitted as well by public as by specialists is, the more you have chances to be the star in your team is when you are playing, in decreasing order
midffield - attack - defence - goalkeeper.
A similar perception of Rock bands since the begining established the same subjective order in the relative merit of its members, and especially in their relative public image. I must recognize that i personally owned this deteriorated judgement toward that bands which are not familiar. The decreasing subjective order is:
Lead vocal - guitar - piano - keyboards - horns - bass - drums - fiddle - flute - etc....
and when you're not a moron, you afford additional benefit points to one of these members when he is the songwriter of the band.

I accept those judgements from the wide public, I hope only that the specialized media dont contribute to this part of the game, for professional ethics.

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Al Edge

I don't actually think Serge is Serge, if you get what I mean. I think he's a spammer. Nobody who was once so intimately exposed to The Band could possibly be so petty minded and mean spirited as that poster.

That said, everything "Serge" said about Pete Viney is one hundred per cent cast iron true. The guy is a pompous old windbag. Absolutely no question about it. Then again, so are most of the people who post with any frequency on any of these forums. Forinstance, if still you're reading this then you're in the presence of possibly one of the most pompous windbags of them all. Even as we speak, I am positively farting and expelling carbon doxide, steam or even worse out of every conceivable orifice. There is positively no limit to the pomposity I can expel. I have honorary degrees in the friggin stuff. Bill Gates has provided me with the platform and I am damned well going to bore everyone else rigid taking advantage of it until I finally disappear over the Cambrian mountains with my very last jet propelled inspirational expulsion of keyboard shoite.

Must say though, for all that, I do happen to find Pete Viney's a rather more informed and erudite strain of shoite than most. Not to say there ain't others too like.

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Peter Viney

Clinton Heylin- first off, I have absolutely no problem with Peter S-B disagreeing with me on Heylin - we’ve done this many times in a friendly spirit (even through the Pete Seeger one) and will hopefully continue to do so. A lot of people dislike Heylin’s books, and they irritate me in several places too, because Clinton’s a bit like a dog with a bone (I said obstinate in the original post) once he’s decided on ‘a fact’. There was a lot of back-and-forth when Michael Krosgaard published his notes on the Dylan session tape boxes in The Telegraph, because these contradicted some of what Heylin had had to say. By saying I’d rather have Heylin as a biographer than Davis, I meant he doesn’t dig the dirt to the same degree. I read all the way through that Davis Rolling Stones book – the one that had WWII starting in 1940 – so I must have enjoyed his stuff. If you didn’t dig the dirt a bit, you wouldn’t sell any. Heylin has dedicated a vast amount of time to researching his subject, and I’m glad to find that he has listened to at least ONE other artist.

BTW, this confirms my theory that Van is quietly overtaking all opposition in recent years. He’s a far better live performer than Bob nowadays, even on an off night Van can hit all the notes, and he’s both more prolific and more consistent. Van plays distinctive choppy rhythm guitar in two or three numbers, but he doesn’t spend several minutes taking repetitive ‘Look at me’ solos while more technically proficient guitarists strum in the background. I find that I listen to more Van and less Band recently simply because Van’s still there doing stuff and creating music. Heylin might have followed a similar route to me here. World Gone Wrong and Good As I Been To You were mighty mountains to get past even for those who’d weathered ‘Dylan’ (1973), the far worse ‘Saved’, and the abysmal ‘Real Live’ and ‘Dylan and The Dead.’ The compensation is always there in the end … Time Out of Mind and Love and Theft.

Serge- great to see you using your own name at last. Keep trying. One day maybe you can contribute a positive and informative comment about early Hawk.

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rosalind

Subject: Vi-ta-je-ex whatcha doin' to me ...

Say, don't that viagra remind ya of them big yaller pills that Lonesome Rhodes sold in "A Face In The Crowd"? "Vii--taa--jee--exx Whatcha doin to me? Ya fill me full of OOOHHH and Ec-sta-seeee!

Also Do Not Put Down Spam and Velvetta! I have a great recipe for Spam! cut into one-half inch slices..add black pepper and nutmeg.... No extra salt needed! Fry in two tablespoons butter very slowly to get the very chrispy stuff you want. When it's fried to the desired crunch, pour a mixture made from maple syrup and stoneground mustard over it and put between two pieces of buttered toast and head to the tv with a bag of cheetoes and a big orange drink. I learned to appreciate Spam in my van. I used to live in it. Fried Balogna and grilled cheese sandwiches made in the toaster-oven. Richard came up with an excellent technique of frying minute steaks on an iron set on cotton. I tried it just because he did...Naturally It Worked.

I was reading into brown-eyed-girl's link and found Tim Rose in the obituary column. I guess he was most widely known for arranging "Hey Joe" Does anyone know anything else bout him? He died last tuesday.

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Fred

We bought a DVD player last month, unfortunately I haven't seen any LAST WALTZes at the various places I shop in. I could order the thing through the internet, but I've decided to take the Japanese route of GAMAN (roughly translated: perserverance, grin and bear it) and wait for the stores to stock it. Nothing noble about my efforts..I just want to get the points on my service card (every type of store over has these type of point cards. Every time you make a purchase you get a number of points, when your card is full you get some kind ofdiscount or freebie. In the case of Tower Records you get 3000 yen of your next perchase which translates into a free CD plus change.

Now back to my master plan of incorporating th USofA into Canada. Maybe if I offer all the back bacon you can eat....hmmm

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brown eyed girl

Apparently there are currently noooooo Van Morrison official videos, DVDS or laserdiscs available anywhere in the world.......EXCEPT.....I have Van Morrison The Concert recorded at The Beacon Theatre New York November 30, 1989 video......Thanks to a very crabby poster.....and there's some Van content available like......Jerry Lee Lewis and Friends DVD and The Chieftains Water From The Well - Live Over Ireland DVD.....I'm sure a certain Englishman has all the boots available.....:-D

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richie

Subject: response to calvin

calvin. travis are a top notch uk guitar band who were given their big shot by oasis 5 or 6 years ago when the latter chose them as support band on a uk tour. the subsequent album 'the man who' was a massive smash in the uk. the follow up, the invisable band' was also huge over here. it doesnt suprise me that they have done the weight, because they constantly rave about the band in music paper interviews. the weight is not on the 2 albums iv mentioned though i cant speak for travis's debut album, ithink its called good feeling, which i havnt got around to buying yet. i reckon its a soundtrack only track.

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Tommy

Subject: OLD Poster!

Since a new poster had jumped aboard, I thought it appropriate for an OLD poster (old as in 'former frequent poster', not old as in age) to throw my two cents in and see how my old cyber-pals are doing! FUN!

HELLO FRIENDS!!!

Anyway, has anyone gotten into Ryan Adams yet, per my suggestion more than a year ago? His third solo album is out and, I must say, it is a rock'n'roll winner! he really is a great songwriter; thoughtful lyrics with a tunesmith's knack for melody. A good time, indeed! I'm actually going to see him in about two weeks at The Beacon Theatre in NYC. A solo acoustic show, nice.

New Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers album out soon as well! Woo Hoo! You guys know how I like TP.

Anyway, keep in touch, folks.

How's it goin' out there, Butch m'man?

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Nancy

If Peter's posts make anyone think he has a superiority complex, they're the one with the problem. I usually read his posts to the end..........unless its one of those nasty sound system technical ones he gets into :)

Sometimes what he has to say interests me and sometimes not, the same as everyone else here. I feel no pressure to read his or anyone else's posts unless the subject material catches my eye - and mostly it does. To read or not to read - its no big deal, and it's not a competition, but a place to talk and to share information if you feel like it.

I want that new Van biography too. I also heard there is at least one Van DVD coming onto the market - in fact my source told me there are two of them, but I'll be happy with any. Does anyone have any information about this subject??

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brown eyed girl

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Crabgrass

Subject: New Poster

Welcome aboard Pam!!

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Fred

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Calvin

I went to see the film Igby Goes Down this evening, and was quite surprised when during Susan Sarandon's funeral in the film a version of the Weight began to play. I sat through til the end of the credits and it was credited to the Band Travis, who I have heard good things about but am unfamiliar. Does anyone know if it is just a soundtrack item or is it on one of Travis' CDs. All I know is it was a pretty good cover.

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BWNWITennessee

Maud, why don't you stick for awhile, too? There's no reason not to. The worst that can happen is that someone will insult you (hell, I probably will, eventually). Just ignore 'em. Come on, join the crowd. Even though I don't really know what you said last time.

Okay, Sergio, why don't you take on the big boys? This place has been getting boring lately anyway, it's time for another brawl. Let's go, buddy. You and me. You're from the 51st state, Canada, right? No wonder you're nuts, nothing to do all day but eat ham and watch SCTV. What kind of loser hangs out with the Hawks and doesn't at least get a gig as a roadie? You should have been The Band's second guitar player, if you had any brains at all, but what the hell are you? A janitor of somethin'? Come and get me, you little hoser motherhumper. Pick on someone your own IQ!

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Pamela Sorenson

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Mary

Subject: Several things ....

Well first I would like to wish Maud a belated Happy Birthday! I hope you had a wonderful day. Hope to see you again soon. Also, Lil, you had a party and you didn't invite me? I'm hurt. But then again, I might fall off my shoes and break a leg or foot like my daughter....lol. And last but not least, Roz, I was just in Shanksville on September 21st. It is only about 20 miles from my home. It is a very humbling experience. At first I thought the plane had gone down in Somerset which is about 10 miles from my home but, it is actually Somerset County, not Somerset, Pa. And, someone mentioned athletes, well Joe Montana was just here about 2 or 3 weeks ago in his hometown of Monessen which is about 5 miles from my house. Well, everyone have a good day.....and hello to my friends here.

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G-Man

Yes Dave Z.! Jime Weider on Dobro,,Rando on a snare and 1 cymbal! Albert on bass and Dan on keys!! AWESOME-10-12 songs!! We were lookin for U!!

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Bayou Sam

.......and BTW - I find Peter's post interesting and informative - and I never get the feeling he thinks I'm too dumb to think for myself.

Thank you, and goodnight.

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Bayou Sam

Serge - do you just lie in wait for any chance to take a cheap shot at Peter? It's none of my buisness of course why you are angry with him, and jealous of him - but it sure is a drag to read those cheap-shot posts - IMHO.

I'm trying to decide if it's worth hitting the submit button on this one............yeah, what the hell.

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Mrs. Henry

Subject: The Comic Book and Me--Just Us--We Caught the Bus

This is not SPAM (I only eat that with Velveeta brand cheese), but I was wondering if I could sell this group a Serge Protector?

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Dave Z

G-Man: Did I hear that right?... An acoustic set... Must have been awesome... I always loved the clips of Levon and Jim on the Band video... each with a guitar.... Lars: I tried to email you but got an error message... it said your box is full or something... do you have another email address? Otherwise, I'll have to send an owl... Sorry Roz, sometimes I'm reading in here... and throw out something like I'm in the middle of a conversation... w/o any background... someone made a post named Party about Lil's party... and it moved me to a good place imagining folks having fun... I'm getting together next weekend with a bunch of college buddies and their kids myself... for some camping... gonna listen to the Hawk on the drive up... see, lot's of leaps... anyway, I too also was moved by Jan's mention of the photos (I hadn't seen Serge's... great!!!)... and it made me think of the Long Black Veil video clip... sooo, I really do have to periodically revisit all the good stuff Jan has assembled here... tomorrow night in one of my night classes we are going to talk about good and bad websites... can you guess which one I am gonna mention as my fav?... and now a goodnight to all, I just got firewood delivered... gotta go... Peter, I'm envious... I wish Van would do a Band song in his set... hmmm, maybe Unfaithful Servant or how about Just Another Whistle Stop... anyway, Stephen Davis can grow on you with repeated listenings... kinda like Van's Madame George... short on facts... but lot's of love to love's...

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John D

Jan, any chance that we will get some more photographs of Garth taken by John Scheele. That is just a classic picture at the organ I would love to see more. Perhaps Maud may have a few in the attic :-)

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Ray Pence

Jenny T, you're right. I missed the Nightline but I had the priceless privilege (even though it was $75 and worth every cent) of witnessing Springsteen onstage, in action, last week in Kansas City. Five rows away from the lip of the stage, incredible and awesome, those overused words true in this case. There's plenty of bullshit in show business but none in that man and his band. They love their art and their audience. No wonder he's got Band connections.

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Me again

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Serge

To Peter Stone Brown : You must not criticize Viney's opinions. He is Mr.Know_it_all for the captive audience that he's discovered here. You'll hurt his feelings. He assumes people here are too dumb to think for themselves, and he feels responsible for how we think.

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G-Man

Hey,,special thanks to the Pattenburg Crew; Jimmy, Rando, Albert and Dan! Also,,the Road Warriors-Frankie, Kelly, Rick and Pat, Mike and Melody, Ruby and Bash, Jack and Pat, D-2 and Bob,,and all the others who attended one GREAT SHOW and SUPER party!! At a loss for words(honest)-BIG THANKS!! Last but NOT least,,D-1 and Mamma-G!! Ya all know what I am talkin about!! Oh, I forgot Packy the Taxi driver!! Nasty Ned,,glad U were there Bro!! Nice opening set of some kick ass BLUES!!! JWB,,did a 10-12 song opening acoustic set- AWESOME,,then rocked the house during their rockin second go round!! Thanks,,G-Man!!

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Peter Stone Brown

Subject: Heylin

Peter Viney,

Clinton Heylin's work on Bob Dylan is anything but excellent. He can't decide whether he is a biographer or a music critic, and his books are rife with attitude leaving the reader to think if only Heylin was running Dylan's career, the wonders that might have occurred.

In addition to that his so-called facts are dubious at best and quite often totally wrong.

I expect his biography on Van Morrison will be a similar hatchet job.

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brown eyed girl

Subject: The Hawk and The Big Rocker

"Never let the truth in the way of a good story."....The Hawk!....Greg Godovitz Special to National Post wrote a short article on Ronnie September 20....Click on Arts and Life and search for Ronnie Hawkins if link doesn't work.....

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Jenny T

Did anybody else see Bruce interviewed by Ted Koppel last night? I love to hear him talk. He is always so thoughtful and humble and straight from his heart. There were also recent clips of the band rehearsing. He expressed his great gratitude that the whole band is alive and well after so many years.

My husband tells me the mine we went to is actually in Scranton. I have a really bad sense of direction and I never know where I am when we are there.

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Hank

Subject: The Dust of The River.......

There IS a ISB/Band connection...........

Artie Traum (?).... Woodstock resident......wrote a book about their music, I seem to recall........

enjoying reading The GB after being away from it......

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Ben Pike

Inconsistent and all over the map, Ani di Franco is probably the only pop artist to emerge in the last ten years who can stand head and shoulders with the big dogs of the sixties and there basicly deminishing, sometimes rewarding returns of the day.

Her new double live set, might be stuck into the catagory of what Marcus called "the obigatory lousy live album"; but of course it has great moments too. A bit of a let down after her brillent Reeling/Reckoning set, which portrays an Artist in her absolute prime who should be checked out by the posters here as they head for there various old timers games.

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Maud / Garth / Jeff Healey / Garland Jeffreys

Happy Belated Birthday to youuuuuu Maud! As I'm sure you know....."Music is the muscle of the soul"......:-D

I'm really looking forward to seeing you and Garth again.....but this time at Massey Hall in Toronto!......Do ya think you can also get Robbie Robertson and Richard Bell to perform as well??.....I also can't wait to see Garth and Jeff Healey making some music at Jeff Healey's on Thursday October 10......YEAH!!!!!

Hopefully I'll be in NYC during Canada's Thanksgiving weekend to finally see Garland Jeffreys at The Bottom Line!.....YEAH AGAIN!!!!.....Maybe Louuuuu will drop by!

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Empty Now

This is Pierre Bachelet, 'Les Corons', I hope you speak french, else you can feel the intention

Au Nord c'était les corons, La terre c'était le charbon, Le ciel c'était l'horizon, Les hommes de mineurs de fond

Nos fenêtres donnaient sur des fenêtres semblables, Et la pluie mouillait mon cartable
Mais mon père en rentrant avait les yeux si bleus, Que je croyais voir le ciel bleu
J'apprenais mes leçons la joue contre son bras, Je crois qu'il était fier de moi
Il était généreux comme ceux du pays, Et je lui dois ce que je suis

Et c'était mon enfance et elle était heureuse, Dans la buée des lessiveuses
Et j'avais les terrils à défaut de montagne, D'en haut je voyais la campagne
Mon père était gueule noire comme l'étaient ses parents, Ma mère avait des cheveux blancs
Ils étaient de la fosse comme on est d'un pays, Grâce à eux je sais qui je suis

Y'avait à la mairie le jour de la kermesse, Une photo de Jean Jaurès
Et chaque verre de vin était un diamant rose, Posé sur fond de silicose
Ils parlaient de trente six et des coups de grisou, Des accidents du fond du trou
Ils aimaient leur métier comme on aime un pays, C'est avec eux que j'ai compris

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jh

Entered at Sun Sep 29 20:35:00 CEST 2002

Maud Hudson

Thank you for the reminders of those three photographs... three windows that, to me, opened with tugs from inside my stomach pulling through the surface of the medium, meeting and passsing the eminating soul coming from the image into the room... breathing life together once again in memories... ah sweet reverie... the Beyond and All connecting... not merely then and now, now and then, hither/thither, ying and yang... more Indira's net-like... complete-like... as in the molecule's essence in it's own shadow and illumination of the reflections of the reflections... eternally.. we and thee... you and me... exhilerating. It's comforting.

Bless you for sharing these photos and for breathing life into this wonderful website and for being the keeper of the flame!

Fondest Regards,
Maud Hudson

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rosalind

Sorry Dave Z _ The "Party Girl" post I didn't understand and the "Happy Birthday to Mrs. Hudson" I didn't see...I didn't see the Webmaster's post either.

I might not have mentioned "The Chiefs" and "Allentown"...But I was thinkn' them.

"Well I'm living here in Allentown...

...And it's hard to keep a good man down....

But she won't be getting up today... hey hey hey...

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Dave Z

I was thumbing through a One Show book... and noticed a nice picture of a gentleman looking like he was dressed for Christmas dinner... sitting on a stool... guitar in hand... turns out it was for the Gap ads...

BEG, jealous jealous... but I ordered the Hawk's book too...

A real video gem... how about Long Black Veil... off the Band Reunion video... also have a great version of It Makes No Difference... but got me wondering, how come we don't get video of Unfaithful Servant?... also a beautifully sung tune?... so similar in feel to me... makes me daydream how they could be related...

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Mike Nomad

That restaurant, BTW, wasn't the Golden Corral in Waynesburg, was it?

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Peter Viney

I hasten to add that the only reason I'm getting a signed copy is that ALL advance orders via Wavelength magazine get a signed copy! The answer is to subscribe to Wavelength of course.

One for the Brits (though by tonight you should all have a mental picture of Edwina Currie from TV). Party Political Conferences often take place at the Bournemouth ‘B.I.C.’ mentioned yesterday. The record store opposite the Pavilion spill-over venue did a full ‘Simply Red’ window display last time Blair and cronies were here. During the Major years there was a large conference here. As I drove into a car park about half a mile from the BIC at 8.30 a.m. I nearly ran over Edwina Currie tottering around dressed in shocking pink. A shock at that time of day to see a government minister wandering around a deserted car park while the town was full of armed police supposedly guarding the politicians from the IRA. Anyway, having bought the daily provisions at the store opposite, I got back into my car and drove up to the exit. This was fifteen minutes later. As I paid, I said ‘Was that Edwina Currie wandering around?’ ‘Yes,’ said the attendant, ‘The silly bitch wanted to know where the BIC was.’ (Being a local, anyone who didn’t know the location would be written off as stupid. We’re like that in Dorset). As I started to drive out, he called ‘I told her to turn right and keep walking across the by-pass.’ About 30 seconds later, I realized that he had deliberately and subversively sent her off in the opposite direction to the BIC into the rush hour traffic. I wondered for a moment whether I should have done the knightly thing and set off to search for her, but I was in a hurry and at least 10 minutes had passed. Also, with armed police in flak jackets on the top of half the buildings, I didn’t fancy stopping and trying to bundle a minister into my car.

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brown eyed girl

I forgot to mention that another reason why Bryan Ferry's cover of "Jealous Guy" is brilliant is because of Andy MacKay's sax playing!!.....He was classically trained......It seems that the groups who had at least one classically trained musician seemed to bring that extra, extra something in relation to the group's musical sensibility.....that other groups lacked....

Roxy Music...Andy McKay...oboe and sax
Garth Hudson...The Band...lowrey organ, piano, keyboards, saxophones, accordion, horns
Third World...Stephen "Cat" Coore...cello
John Cale...Velvet Underground...viola

Five more days until a night of wonder and appreciation with Garth and gang to celebrate and honour The Hawk at Massey Hall! I've also ordered a couple of books on Ronnie and The Hawks and The Band/Dylan DVD by Mickey Jones......

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Peter Viney

I'm seeing Van's concert on Tuesday. I wonder if he'll be singing 'New Biography'? It isn't unknown, but is one of the rarer songs in his set. Personally I'll be hoping for Caravan.

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Peter Viney

In a day when biographies are in the news (John Major was having an affair with Edwina Currie it seems, well, each to his own. But politicians on the rut do seem to lack taste or discrimination), there is news in The Sunday Times that Van Morrison has been trying to stop the imminent October biography by Clinton Heylin. Seems Viking have had to remove allegations about a denied affair, but refuse to show his lawyers the book. Van is sounding off about booksellers being at risk in law if they sell it. While he might be obstinately opinionated, I'd rather have Heylin do my biography than Stephen Davis anyday. Heylin counters that while he wouldn't call Van paranoid, he would say he exhibits paranoid behaviour (which is different?) Anyway, I have a signed copy on advance order and am looking forward to it. Heylin's work on Dylan is excellent.

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richie

Subject: all sorts

peter. thank you for bringing ct. royal to life. it was always a story from my dads past. now it seems so vivid. al, roger mcguinn told the audience a interesting story about the bells of rhymney at a recent gig of his at which i was present. he correctly said that the byrds got the pronounciation of the word wrong. in the song rhymney would be spelt rhimney the way the byrds sang it. rhymney .pronounced correctly has a uuh sound after the rh as opposed to the iii sound in the song. roz. pensylvannia sounds like a little enclave of wales in that big country of yours.nick or anyone, whats the deal with the rick solo album. iv got it on vinyl and cd but like everyone else id jump at a new remastered version. ws walcott. slapshot isnt just the best hockey film ever, but by a mile ,the best sport film ever.theres a slapshot 2 out now but im almost certain its bullshit. i think its got one of the baldwins in it. enough said!

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WS Walcott

You forgot to mention the Johnstown Chiefs, from the movie Slapshot. The greatest hockey movie ever made. And what about the song "Allentown" - one of the few Billy Joel songs I actually like.

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Empty Now

Subject: Imagine, again

How did I missed that, when writing an entire post dedicated to Lennon's Imagine. I'm unforgivable. It is worth pointing out that the latest recorded version of Imagine throughout the world has been performed by a duo composed by Khaled, a singer from my lovely fatherland, and an Israeli singer, Noa. It is not the best version, but it features hopeful adapted lyrics in both Hebrew and Arabic languages. Check the link for details. They do that and this is the true courage

Have a good day everyone

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Nick

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Nick

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Dave Z

You know, I couldn't post here last night for some reason... I was flying blindly in the chatroom too... What I would have said was... Thanks Ms. Party for your post... it left lot's to the imagination... and drove me straight to a Tangle Ridge mix for my Diet Coke... I also would have wished the Road Warriors a good friday night... I'm still anxiously awaiting a review either here or at the JWB site... anyway, happy retirement G...

The Z Family would also like to wish a happy happy to... that beautiful voice that both whispers... around distant rapids... remote waterfalls... in fog in mist... and rants among thunder and lightning on mountaintops high... where ever Garth's wonderful music is found... healing... emerging... from the whirling snow on the cold roads of solitary car rides... to the warm noise of a barroom full of friends...

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rosalind

Say, what kind of cheese do ya think this is?

The other guy looks over and answers : It's Natcho Cheese

The first Guy looks back curiously and asks: How do ya know it's Natcho Cheese?

The second guy says: Cause when we was runnin' out the door of that restaurant that lady was yellin' "Hey That's Nat-cho Cheese!"

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Diamond Lil

..to my dear friend Maud Hudson. Love you lots :-)

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jh

While waiting for the Sandman tonight, I've been going through the photo archives here - these three deserve another look:

http://theband.hiof.no/band_pictures/crabster_lwpremiere/lwpGarth1.html
http://theband.hiof.no/band_pictures/sd59/hawks7.html
http://theband.hiof.no/band_pictures/danko_bl89_jb.html

IMVHO, of course.

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rosalind

Subject: Searchin' for the ghost of Tom Joad

Altoona Pa _ Where the pride was so strong people felt the could live on it. Where your dining tables had to be washed constantly to keep them remotely free of that smoke from them old trains. Altoona is now full of gravyards filled with tombstones of those old railroaders and city colleges filled with young people getting OUT. All they got to remind them that the place was once invaluable to the world's railroads.. A Museum.

Johnstown Pa. _ A town who's claim to fame is the fact that it was once considered the "Worst place to live in America" Where the watermarks from the Great Johnstown Flood are still on the buildings still left standing once the rubble had cleared away. They still get happy proud faces talking about the month Tom Cruise and Paul Newman came to make that movie. How the guy who gave Rock and Roll it's name was born right over there...

Pittsburgh _ Liberty Avenue, once a part of town that hummed with the sounds of great Jazz by great musicians is a shell. The Stanley Theater...the first time I saw B. B. King...gone to the dogs.

Jon is right. Western Pa. has no idenity. We got history...that's all. People around here laugh like hell and cuss a blue streak at the very same time. We have learned that tears and worry don't mean a thing... just like everybody else has.

From our Monongaleh Valley to our Masabi Iron Range..

To our coal mines of Appalacchia...The story's always the same....

Seven-hundred tons of metal a day... So now you tell us the world's changed..

Once we made you rich enough..Rich enough to forget our names.

Thank you all for those family memories from across the water....God...Life is tough all 'round.

I need a prozac! Anybody else want one? I got lots. But ya know what...These old hills here ain't so bad.

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brown eyed girl

Biffalo Bull: Thanks for the post.....:-D.....Also, you made me think about living in an age of fiberglass.....(I'm a lateral thinker so.....) where most people are mining for a heart of gold......I'm not worried about being depleted.....'cause my spirit has always been strong.....A clairvoyant once told me...Well..I'll save that story for "another time, another place".....Anyway, when my resources are low.....I just dig deeper.....or have another hit of underground music....;-D....Dylan understood....."Temporary Like Achilles" and Dylan and The Band's "Dirge"

"Like a poor fool in his/her prime,
Yes, I know you can hear me walk,
But is your heart made out of stone, or is it lime,
Or is it just solid rock?"....

"There are those who worship loneliness, I'm not one of them,
In this age of fiberglass I'm searching for a gem.
The crystal ball up on the wall hasn't shown me nothing yet,
I've paid the price of solitude, but at least I'm out of debt."

I think Bryan Ferry's Dad worked in a coalmine.....Bryan tried to negate his working class background by appearing bourgeois....like when he wore a white tuxedo jacket on "Another Time, Another Place"......recording of covers.....Dylan's "It Ain't Me Babe" is here....and living the "high life" as if it would ever bring contentment alone......After he had a near death plane experience......He began to reevaluate his life.......One thing I always respected about Ferry besides his idiosyncratic singing style, dramatic flair, style....is that he always admitted that he's not a prolific songwriter and that he tends to put out a recording with original material followed by a recording of covers......One of his best covers (I even like it better than the original).....is "Jealous Guy" by John Lennon...........poignant singing and whistling and all......As far as I know.....He's never covered a Band song.....Velvet Underground.....yup!....I'm lucky......I can appreciate roots rock and avante garde rock.......My philosophy.....take the best from all musical styles and genres....more jewels to enrich your life......:-D

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Peter Viney

Sorry, I meant CDRW AUDIO will play in hi-fi CD burners. Shouldn't have opened that second bottle … or shouldn't have approached the computer with a fuzzy brain.

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Peter Viney

CD-RWs will also play in dedicated hi-fi component CD burners (such as the Philips range). There are peculiarities- my sister just bought a second hand Toyota and the fitted CD player won’t even play CDRs, let alone CD-RWs. If that happened to me, the car would have to go straight back. But when I had a Toyota Previa of the same year, that would play CDRs – it had a very slightly different CD player. Recently, playing around with DVD-Rs and DVD-RWs, it turns out some Macs will play them (Superdrive) others with a plain DVD drive won’t. The lesson is to take along CDRs and CDRWs when purchasing computer and hi-fi equipment and check the drive out. Sony are reliable as CDR’s go- I’ve had horrendous problems with BASF (like 80% faulty in one batch) and Memorex, and some cheapo ones also have that sort of failure rate. But TDK, Sony, Maxell, Nashua, Matsui all seem reliable to me.

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Mike D.

John D., I've never had that happen. It might be becasue of the "CD-RW's" themselves. I never really use them. As you may/may not know, cd-rw's only play in pc's. But they shouldn't go to "read only". Try not formatting them and see what happens. It's been so long since I used one of those, I forgot about how they work.

mike

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Al Edge

Must admit I find this interface between tinted nostalgic perspectives and cold harsh reality a fascinating and, at the same time, an extremely moving one.

On our frequent trips to Rhymney down the years, I would often end up talking with old miners - family and neighbours of my wifes family. All fine and decent men now sadly long since passed away. They would talk forever about anything under the sun. Be it sport and politics. Beer and the past. Their love of their homeland. Their work.

Often they would recount with fierce pride and a warm fondness and - more often than not - with glistening eyes how when they were young colliers the entire Rhymney valley had been alive and thriving, peppered with pit wheels, mine shafts and levels and lit by the glow of foundries. How before dawn each morning they would march proudly en bloc for miles to their pithead. How the camaraderie and spirit of their comrades was tantamount to a gift from heaven. How they would bathe in their tin baths each night in front of a blazing fire. How, possibly most revealing of all, just how deeply held was their contempt for the Thatchers and MacGreggors of this world who had so cynically decimated THEIR precious coal mining industry.

Then you would ask those very same men what conditions had been like underground. You would then recoil as they told you. As their eyes glistened once more, though this time with a raging contempt. Contempt for the sheer misery of descending in those cages, contempt for the stooping for hours on end through cramped and gloomy passages, contempt for the mud and the filth and the dust and the cold, for the pain and the suffering, for the agonies endured by their 'butties dying from the dust'. Most of all for the bosses who had put them through their ordeals of hell.

So how do you make sense of such starkly contrasting emotions? How do you reconcile the apparent contradiction?

The answer, I suppose, is that you don't. What you see are simply two completely different ends of the human experience. And there, as these peoples' testimony, both extremes will sit.

All that toil, all that drudgery, all that adversity, all they endured are ironically - almost peversely in fact - the very things which actually made those people so very special. Often individually, ALWAYS as a breed, an entity. It shaped them and their communities. Made them as one. Solid and dependable. Warm and generous. In kind and in spirit. Their womenfolk worried and shared each day, as one. Likewise they would sigh, as one, with relief at the safe return of their menfolk at the end of each working day.

Only those who experience such lifestyles can know what is entailed. Just, I dare say, as only those who experience the horrors of war can know of that.

Whatever else comes out of such experiences, what emerges above all in such situations is the triumph of the human spirit. Always it rises above the darkness to remind us that despite all our considerable frailties and weaknesses, all our self-absorptions and self-indulgences, there is always an inherent resourcefulness and dignity within us that can survive whatever is hurled at us. And the more that is hurled, the stronger in the end is the human response.

The words of that song I posted actually got the last line wrong. It said 'They've take it all away'. Nothing, of course, could be further from the truth for they can never take away the dignity of such people. And ultimately it is that, I suppose, which counts for more than anything.

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BWNWITennessee

JTull, let me know if you make it to Carnton. If you go, see if you can get a tour with Shannon. He's the director, but occasionally gives tours, and was very knowledgeable and funny.

I just saw that "Guns and Roses" has announced a fall tour. Not that I really care about that, but I guess it holds the same fascination as looking at a car wreck. I wonder if they'll actually be able to do the tour, since they're presumptiously booked arenas, including Madison Square Garden. I just don't know if that many people will pay money to see Axl Rose and some sidemen, when they haven't had a new album in ten years. Most kids probably don't care about them today, and most of their older fans probably won't pay money to see this crew. I just love it when these groups book themselves into these huge places that they can't fill. Remember the ELO tour last year that was cancelled, because they booked all arenas, and about a thousand people bought tickets? The J. Geils Band reunion a few years ago did the same thing. They booked arenas, then ended up cancelling the entire tour, and reunion. Apparently it was pretty good, too. But what are these people thinking? On the other side, when Roger Waters went on tour again a few years ago, he booked all really small places, then had to move most of them into bigger arenas.

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Empty Now

All the magic of the GB incomes from that lot of people who are attending in an almost anonymity, simply enjoying one common passion to music essentially. I believe that they share more than this. It have been written before that the GB is only words on a screen, yes but they are magic words on a trite screen. Excepted at some occasions, they often made me really happy, restored in me the spirit PLM on which I grown, whatever is their origin, cause you'll never have enough imagination to see who is really posting. Here I remind a great Lebanese author, Amin Malouf, who wrote ‘I am feeling myself nearer to a Korean of my generation than to my ancestor who lived one century before’ meanning simply that links of time are stronger than links of race. Someone can disagree with the above ideas, but he can also imagine they truthness, and then reaches an audacious feeling that the Imagine of John Lennon is formally realized here in this GB, There’s no countries, no religions, no possessions, nothing to fight or die for......... we tried and we join it.

Richard: about music for miners, a french singer, Pierre Bachelet, has a beautiful song 'Les corons', from this song one verse
'Et chaque verre de vin était un diamant rose posé sur fond de silicose'
My high school litteracy teacher, a fan of Shakespeare, learned us never try to explain the content of a poem or translate it, i think he's right. The verse means something like
'Every cup of wine was a pink diamond posed on a silicosis case'

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John Donabie

Any computer whiz kids out there? Today.....and this has happend over the past year or so with Windows XP.........suddenly when I write files to a CD-RW.....it informs me that the back up files are read only. That means they aren't worth much to me as a back up file. I have gone in and unchecked the read only portion and clicked on Archive. I've done everything. Any thoughts? If I back it up to another part of my hard drive no problem. But once it goes to the CD-RW it informs me that it is now a read only file. It's happened before and I can't figure it out. I am using Sony CD-RW discs that have been preformatted. That could be the problem; but it takes months to happen??? Sorry for the non music stuff; but we all use comuters ehre and I you never know out there who has a theory. Thanks

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Mariano Barceló

Proporcional to worth things in life like the real music.

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Peter viney

Record fairs. After months of not getting near one, I managed today in Southampton. The bootleggers were far bolder than for many years. I daren’t even look at The Beatles sections anymore, which are about 40 CDs deep and four or five feet wide. Academy of Outtakes was around, and The Last Moving Shadows. There were three different versions of Dylan in Bournemouth May 5th 2002. Like an idiot I bought one at the first stall for £25, only to see it with better covers at £20 and £18 on subsequent stalls. Still, I was there. Crabbie would have been delighted to see a small Doors specialist table (I gave it a miss of course). There is just so much stuff out there now. Dylan is always a reasonable section, but Beatles boots dwarf everyone, which is odd as there has been so little new product. I’d say there was more Beach Boys than Dylan, a lot of Neil Young, not enough Van Morrison. I was tempted by one from the Linda Gail Lewis tour but decided to draw a line – it was the worst tour he ever did after all.

Richie- Court Royal is the Miners Union convalescent home in Bournemouth, and sits right next to the BIC concert hall (where my Dylan boot was recorded), between the BIC and the pier in the very best place in the whole of the bay. It was an interesting cause celebre locally, because the rest home was settled in perpetuity for recovering miners, but there aren’t so many patients left, and the large old Victorian building now stands isolated on the ‘piazza’ with the brand new IMAX, Pier Approach, BIC, Surf Restaurant & Aquarium surrounding it. It looks odd and kind of left over, and Bournemouth Council (another bunch of shits as one might guess) have desired it greatly for the last 20 years – they’d demolish it the day they got it. You should have met my Great Uncle Ben who was proud to display his scars from being run down by “Churchill’s calvalry” (rather than Stormont’s) in the 1926 General Strike. He would wax eloquent about the mine owners too. He claimed to have sat next to Aneurin Bevan at school and carried everywhere a press cutting about how much money Bevan had left in his will, which was to prove Ben’s theory that he was not an intrinsically honest person, to put it nicely, - but Ben was so far to the left of the Labour party he went off the scale.

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BIFFALO BULL

THANKS FOR CLEARING UP MY REQUEST ON THE JUDGE, IT WAS A LONG SHOT, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. ANYHOW I RECOGNISE YOU AS AN EXCELLENT RESOURCE AND MAY YOU NEVER BE OVER EXPLOITED. MERCI

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Mike D.

After moving a few months ago. I lost a few band boots. They are as follows: 1. At The Fast & Cool Club 2. Starry Night Club 3. Roosevelt Stadium set 4. R&R Live I've looked high and low and they aren't anywhere to be found. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Mike email: the_stranger76@yahoo.com Willing to trade or send cd-r's. Bummed about the missing cd's.

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Diamond Lil

What a beautiful photo of Rick to wake up to this morning. God I miss him so much. Thanks Mr. Schoenberg (and Jan).

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

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Mike D.

Just saw the "new" Rick phot that has been added. Reminds me of a best friend's dad (who was also a neighbor while growing up). Just really down to earth. Never saw him get mad or lose his cool ever! Always would help us kids if our bikes needed fixed or whatever. And he worked for an ice cream company. So, we'd always get free ice cream in the summer :) If you needed a minute, he'd give you an hour. That reminds me of Rick and all that I've read about him and the kind of person he was. A giving perosn. I regret that I never got to see him and The Band perform. Ahh well, I still have the music.

Mike

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Empty Now

Which of the sweet songs ? in my last post there are 3:

Stay – Jackson Browne version
The night they drove old Dixie down – Joan Baez version
Money, thats what i want – Holland Dozier Holland version

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richard

Subject: mining,music and movies

we all know bells of rhymney,but the band's own caves of jericho is a great song about mining.i also like u2's red hill mining town of joshua tree. as for films. proud valley with paul robson and john ford's how green was my valley. romanticised views of wales but worthy nonetheless.THE FILM about mining has to be matewan by john sayles. i know we discussed him to death a while back but that incredible movie is always worth a plug. richard.

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richard

Subject: mining

dear roz. im almost certain my ancestors ended up in scranton. ill have to go there one day. peter. i agree mining was and is hard beyond belief. my grandfather also died from silicosis. by the time he died hed broken virtually every bone in his body through roof collapses. my dad also spent a year in bournmouth in a special hospital for injured miners called court royal after a particularly nasty accident. in agreement with another post, the old mine owners were a vicious binch of shits. my grandad's family were slung out onto the streets from their miners cottage. the owner was trying to intimidate his dad who was the union leader in the pit. mr wigo, you rotter! i was going to ask a molly mcguires trivia question.you stole my thunder. roz your dead right. i think we can all see now why we love the band. have a great weekend everyone. richard.

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Peter Viney

Incredible String Band- “5000 Spirits” was the year before Big Pink – it came out not that long after ‘Whiter Shade of Pale’ and I received it as a present when it was very first released in July 1967. I played it to death too, and it has the most typical front cover illustration of any 1967 record. I hovered looking for the CD at a reasonable price for years and finally got one a few months ago. My original vinyl record is intact but has an embarrassingly private and intimate dedication scrawled across the inner sleeve which has meant it has not been taken out of the rack as often as it should have been.

On the “Elv1s – 30#1s” – I noted what David said and the reply saying that it had been remixed but nothing added or taken away and it was very clear. Anyway, last night we ran out of salad and on my quick trip to the supermarket, I succumbed in spite of the horrors of Wooden Heart and The Wonder of You (which will be perpetually skipped). The sleeve intro is by Peter Guralnik. So far – it’s very transparent. “Suspicious Minds” sounds as if it’s been “De-Phil Spectored” and the drums benefit greatly from a clearer stereo stage. However, the result is a lack of urgency and power, Will keep listening.

"EMPIRE" has a good five star review of TLW DVD today- official British release is finally imminent.

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amo

Subject: last waltz party

hello to all, this is my first guestbook entry, but i've enjoyed reading your playful banter for the last year or so. I'm watching the last waltz and having some cold beers and I just want to say that The Band has given me so much pleasure the last 15 years or so. I'll never forget the first time I was turned on to the Band. Thanks to the Elliott Brothers for enlightening me.. I've managed to turn my husband on to them( who is a heavy metal fan) He now knows the entire Rock of Ages album by heart. see ya later, I'll be back

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Crabgrass

Subject: Incredible String Band

At long last, someone (besides me) has had the good sense and good taste to mention The Incredible String Band!! I have always held the String Band right up there along with the Beatles and The Band as being the three most creative musical groups of the '60s and championed Robin Williamson as one of the most creative poetic and musical geniuses ever to walk this Earth (not that he needs my help in spreading such information) though quite a few of Mike Heron's songs also attain quite lofty heights. In many ways their songs affect my psyche much more deeply than those of any other group. For persons not lucky enough to have been around back then, the Increds were hugely popular in the same era which bore both the Beatles and The Band, and the Beatles themselves were fans of theirs.

Starting off rather simply (comparative to where they were to journey musically and poetically during the next several years) their first album titled The Incredible String Band was voted Best Folk Album in Britain in 1965 and was as much influenced by American Appalachian folk tunes as by the British folk tradition (and a few other things as well). Two years later (without banjoist Clive Palmer, an original third member who had gone off to Afghanistan) Robin and Mike (who had also gone off to visit exotic realms and collect exotic instruments) created the eclectic, surreal, and philosophical "5000 Spirits or the Layers of the Onion" followed by their most popular album "The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter" at which point the ISB first began touring in the U.S. playing many of the larger halls frequented by The Band such as the Fillmores East and West. Their records were produced by American Joe Boyd who had linked up with them in England where he was involved with Fairport Convention and many other British folk and "folkrock" artists. (BTW the Increds hailed from Edinburgh, Scotland which I forgot to mention.)

Personally, I'd recommend getting all of the ISB albums through "A Liquid Acrobat as Regards the Air" which I think was released around '70 or '71 - but if you don't yet have any - get "5000 Spirits" first. Eventually, they went downhill (due to record company demands that they be more commercial and probably a few more personal reasons) and disbanded in 1974.

Current re-releases on CD are very scarce (they've all been bought up by folks like me whose LPs are all scratched!!) except for the excellent "Chelsea Sessions" CD (first released about 3 years back) which bears alternate versions of songs on and outtakes from "5000 Spirits" (it's interesting to note that the CD format was around for about 10 years before ANY of their recordings were re-released in that format) but good news is on the horizon as pretty much their entire catalog will soon be released on new labels with quite a few being paired as double CDs. (The "Relics" album btw was a compilation of "best songs" released in the later '70s.) Also, a DVD of a short film entitled "Be Glad for the Song has No Ending" was released several months back - a sort of documentary on the ISB done while they were in their prime - not terrific though I'm thankful for it since it includes 2 complete songs.

For more ISB info check the above link and related sites.

djy15@hotmail.com (my e-mail address)

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roz

I hope that baby of yours is fattenin' up and gigglin' at ya.

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roz

Hey Party Babe...yes Lil can be ruthless if you piss her off, but, I have recently found that she is simply an angel from heaven. Bayou Sam was right all along. Have fun but be safe....roz

Jon _ Thanks for the defense Homeboy :)

Empty Now _ Thanks for that sweeet song... :)

I needs ta be'a goin'on back ta wark naw ( // )

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Brien Sz

Subject: Pull Hitter

A Pull Hitter is someone who hits the ball to the side of the field he bats from consistently. So when you see a right hand batter at the plate and he cranks the ball down the third base line or into left field constantly - that's a pull hitter. Ted Williams was a Pull Hitter. Mo Vaughn is a pull hitter, Jeromy Burnitz is a shitty pull hitter.

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rosalind

Subject: Kill The Ump! Kill The Ump! Kill The Ump!

W.S. Walcott _ Thought I could get one past ya. This is my explaination: Pete Gray passed away a few months ago and on the day he died it was mentioned on our local radio station, the one that sits on the counter here. These two fellas began to talk about it while shooting a game and I just silently listened like I usually do just to soak in information. I heard them mention that he was know as a "pure pull hitter" I just assumed it had something to do with "power". Evidently I was wrong.... They said he used a regulation bat and saved quite a few games, even one that was very very important. With the Yankees or someone. I don't ask the fellas that come in here questions because they would look at me and say "I thought you would already know that" and then they might get the idea that I'm not as knowledgeable about their beloved sports as I pretend to be and they wouldn't think that I was so cool anymore. But I will ask the fellas in the GB cause they all know I ain't cool. What is a "Pure Pull Hitter"? Is it a pulling in runs by base hits kind of deal? (I thought about it today) But.. W. S. You must admit that Pete came from absolutely nothing, both his folks slaving all day and night in those mines. Him losing an arm and still having a deep need to play ball. And he was good Dammit! And he had heart! He reminds me of Django Reinhardt who lost those two fingers on his left hand and created a brand new technique, or Chet Baker, who had his two front teeth knocked out an still found a way to make beautiful sounds with his horn.

Speaking of Chet Baker, who I have been listening to all evening. Someone mentioned here last week or so why jazz and blues musician age so gracefully... Chet baker and his horn playin' friend Jack Sheldon had a conversation once about why Chets Beautiful features were cover layer upon layer with wrinkles .. Chet said "They're laugh lines" Jack replied "Nothing's that funny" I love Chet Baker....the sweetest smokiest voice in the world...ahhhh and that horn...he's achingly delicious

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Party

Hello Band fans! The first thing I have been ordered to say (or my drink supply will be cut off) is that I am NOT Lil. She is here somewhere. I saw her. I am also supposed to say that she is not responsible for anything I say here (my future drinks ride on that too). I am a drunk on again off again houseguest, who hasn't heard much of the Band until tonight. I am hooked! Kudos to whoever is responsible for this awesome website. You should come and join us for a drink. We started with a small gathering of 5. Last count I saw approx 13. Or I might be seeing double. Jack Daniels is the guest of honor. I just saw Lil again. She is in the kitchen. I hope she is going to cook. She's a great cook and I'm hungry. I don't know how to make paragraphs in here as you nice people have noticed I'm sure, but hey - paragraphs are overrated anyway. Enjoy your night good people. I will visit this website again. Thank you for indulging this Band virgin, but I must go before your friend Lil sees thia and waters down my drinks. She is ruthless. But I love her. Goodnight.

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Brien Sz

Subject: New Group Alert

In my constant quest to find new music to listen to, I came across a new band I found to be interesting. If you are looking for more than the usual 3-4 chord drek, then this newer progressive rock band may be for you..., They are called - - - Spock's Beard. Not as intricate as Yes, more melodic than King Crimson, they have more of an early Genesis bent with smatterings of ELP, Styx and Kansas mixed in. Very interesting music for anyone who's looking for a new group to check out.

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John D

I'm always amazed when someone has just a good eye. I don't know how many times I've been around the Bearsville Restaurant and complex and I have never seen Albert Grossman's Marker. Good eye James.

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JON IN PA

Subject: pa miners/athletes

Greetings,hailing from Scranton, I can attest to the comments regarding mining,athletes etc. In the mining hey-day, you worked in the mines or for one of the railroads. I am from both. Welsh miners, German railroaders. Athletes from this area are numerous, Mike Munchak, hall of fame guard from the Houston Oilers whom I played basketball with and the great Christy Mathewson of the baseball hall of fame. Much like all the great athletes of western Pa. Unitas, Montana, Namath, etc. It was a way out. The area seeks a new identity, but is filled with some of the warmest people anywhere who always look you straight in the eye. good day

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WS Walcott

Pete Gray was not a power hitter. He only played one year in the majors. After the war all the players returned and his career was over. He batted slightly over .200 with 13 RBIs and ZERO home runs.

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Empty Now

Ros, 8 time in this page only...Please plese staaaay, just a little bit longer...Jackson Brown version... or the GB will be....sader....take only what you need and leave the rest

always Jackson Browne: Charlie Young :super post, that's what i want, i gonna buy this albut in priority

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Al Edge

Pete, I think you're right about the 'goddam impossible way of life' as Robbie might say.

I've got unshakeable links going back to the late sixties with the Welsh coalmining valleys through my wife's family all of whom would awaken each morning to the actual Bells of Rhymney. Scarcely one of the menfolk who "went down the pit" as they say came out of their experience fit and well.

The irony, of course, is that, despite all that hardship the mining communities developed a spirit that transcends the bleakness resulting in a sense of community that other more serene places can but dream about.

The words of that song I posted are about the rueing of the inevitable loss of community that stems from the closing of the pits. I don't think for a moment the author nor the principal protaganist for that matter is romanticising the awful hardships below ground, merely the goodness that would stem from it and would always triumph over whatever adversity came those peoples way. Including the closing of their pits.

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rosalind

I'm beginning to understand just what creates a Band fan...

Empty Now _ That's me...superb, pathetic and with a strong Janis Joplin / Forest Gump quality..:)

I'm gonna stop posting so damn much. I'm beginning to hate to see my name pop up here... I can imagine how everyone else feels. The thing is....I never open my mouth in my real life...

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Mike Nomad

Subject: belated thanx

Hey, Butch! Nice meeting you in Kingston, N.Y., last week. What a great evening that was at Mariner's Harbor. It was great to talk to Levon again after so many years. What a gracious guy! My wife certainly appreciated the hug. Sid McGinnis was a pleasant surprise since we had hoped to see the Letterman show (on hiatus) in NYC later in the week. But we made up for that with Sonny Rollins at B.B.King's. The only downer was getting repeatedly lost in Kingston. After that, NYC and Charleston, S.C., were downright easy.

Thanx again, Butch.

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Peter Viney

I don’t know if it’s worth getting too heartbroken about the loss of coal mining. My grandfather died of silicosis, and I remember seeing three of my uncles come back from the pits exhausted when I was a kid visiting Wales. The communities got broken when coal went, but it wasn’t a great way of life for the people that had to actually do it. All my uncles got out before circumstances would have forced them out anyway. My Uncle Jack got a job delivering farm supplies round the Brecon Beacons, and when I was 11 or 12 I spent a couple of days going round the farms with him in a little A30 van (delivering udder wash, a product that not many people have contact with). He didn’t have much nostalgia for the mines where he’d spent 25 years, though he did have a nasty cough to maintain the memory. As he said, the pay had been much better in the mines, but he was happier on less money, leaning on the gates talking to the hill farmers. He was quite vehement about the mines which he had come to see as a scar on a beautiful landscape. Funny, the women – my mother and her sisters and female cousins – all left during the depression in the 1930s and came to Southern England to work in the hotels and send most of their wages back to their families. I’ve only just realized how odd that is, but I guess it’s true in so many communities in the world today. The men stayed and waited for the mines to re-open. When I was young, Bournemouth had a major Welsh community as a result, though they lost their accents (my mother was 15 when she left) and you wouldn’t even trace it nowadays in the names – they all married into England.

Roger- there did used to be a funny smell hanging around the Winter Gardens on concert nights- At the time, I put it down to herbal tobacco because of the prevalence of asthma due to the heavy pine pollen in the area, but looking back you may be right.

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Empty Now

Hello Rosalind:

Pardon in advance, i’m not trying at all to pick up one painful topic. But your recent posts were so superb and so pathetic, that they stayed in my head until they awaked from my subconcious memory two lost quotes from two great movies. I take the liberty to post them as a necessary Post-Scriptum to your recent posts. my true reason, i cant resist to the need of evoking two movies i enjoyed.

The first one is from Forrest Gump, when he heard about the assassination of senator Kennedy, a few days after JFK: ‘In this country, it is dangerous to be a brother !’

The second one from ‘Canadian Bacon’ Alan Alda as the president stimulating the population to wage war against the Great White Evil North : ‘How can you have confidence in a people who built a so high tower’

I feel that minning is a better topic

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rosalind

Subject: Pa.

I cannot let this curtain close on Pennsylvania with out a mention that this state has produced some of the best athletes in this country. I think that might have something to do with the coal mines and steel mills around here. Pete Gray, who was born in Nanticoke Pa, right outside Wilkes-Barre, stands as one of the most accomplished of these athletes. Despite losing an arm as a child, he grew to become a famous baseball player. Was known as a power hitter and is now right up there in Cooperstown, New York in the Baseball Hall of Fame!

Also, if you ever have a chance to get to Punxsutawney for Groundhog Day, don't miss it! They have a Bolman charter bus that travels up there every year. These people are something Luis Bunuel and Salvador Dali couldn't dream up . My family goes up there.... I went up once and what I saw was surrealism in action. People standing around burning barrels, sipping coffee, showing entire photo albums from past Groundhog Days, trading stories from the past 30 years of Groundhog Days, fighting about who has been to Gobbler's Knob the most times for Goundhog Day, literally freezing their asses off waiting for a groundhog to come out of a hole... I laughed the whole time. And for the life of them...they couldn't figure out why... That my friends...is Pennsylvania. The Keystone State.

I'm going to cross that old line into Cumberland Maryland and sit in the old B & O train yard and shoot rats with my B B gun...

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Roger Woods

Subject: Incredible String Vest

Richard (from Benxi)...

It's really difficult to advise people about the Incredibles. I think 5000 Spirits is wonderful but when I put it on my kids (who love The Band, Van, Bob, The Beatles and Stones etc) run out of the house. ISB are an acquired taste. Wee Tam and The Big Huge(originally released as both a double album on vinyl and as two separate LPs, now two separate CDs) are wonderful. 'Air' is one of the greatest love songs written. Along with God Only Knows, If I Fell and two or three Band tunes - Rocking Chair, All La Glory and When I Awake, I'd include Air on any ultimate compilation. Actually there's be a few more Band songs.

Some of the Incredible stuff takes longer to get into. "Changing Horses" challenged me although when I hear bits now and again I quite like it.

There was always a special atmosphere at ISB gigs. I saw them in 1971 (at the Winter Gardens in Bournemouth) just before I saw the band at the Royal Albert Hall. There was a lot more dope openly going around in Bournemouth!

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Al Edge

[1st verse]

Pass My Union card

I hear the whistle call

Now the time has come to watch

The final curtain fall

And it's the saddest time

Yet it's no use crying

So come and walk this valley road

That leads down to the mine

And later on

When the work is through

We'll walk those hills my darling

Just me and you

Oh girl what can we do, they're driving us out of town

Oh girl what can we do, they're driving us out of town

[2nd verse]

Down those cobbled streets

Along the terraced row

And past those factory gates they closed

About a year ago

Onto the Maerdy Ridge

Above the pithead cage

If we could start that wheel again

By turning back the page

But they closed the pit

And we've paid the price

And now there's nothing left at all

And that's the sacrifice

Oh girl what's left to say? - They've taken it all away

Oh girl what can we say? - They've taken it all away

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bob wigo

Subject: Coal Country

There's some amazing history in the coal country of Pennsylvania. I lived in Hazleton / Wilkes-Barre area for seven years during the eighties and heard some wonderful and many horrible tales about the mining industry. To this day, when purchasing real estate in that area you must sign off on any rights to mine. Friends recalled, as children, hearing pick axes chipping away beneath their cellar floors in some rural areas. There are many horrifying stories concerning subsidence, ground collapsing and swallowing homes, cars, etc.

I must say that the heritage of the fine people of upstate Pennsylvania, one of hard work and dedication to family has served the area well. Some of the finest people I have had the privilege to meet hail from that area. They are marvelous neighbors and faithful friends.

If you are interested in the subject please check out the link above. It is for the film entitled "The Molly McGuires". Shot just outside of Hazleton, Pa. at the Eckley Mines it stars Sean Connery and Richard Harris among others. While not perfect in the factual sense it is a very good period piece and provides a good sense of those very difficult times.

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Jenny T

My husband is from Waymart, PA and his Dad lives in Carbondale--descended from the Irish that also came to NE Penn at that time to work in the mines. There is a mine (in Carbondale I think) that was closed in the early 60s that is open as a tourist attraction, but bring your hankies when you go because it breaks your heart. Especially about how they would let boys as young as seven work in the mine, often sitting in the darkness for 15 hours a day with their only job to open doors when the donkeys (who never saw the light of day) came through with carts of coal. Of course it was a horrible life for a boy and plenty of them died along with the men. My son Eric was 7 when we went and it made me so sad to think of those boys. Also if the father of the household were killed in the mine, if you didn't have a son over 7 to take his place, they threw you out of your house--you had 3 days to get out. And of course nobody could get ahead because they paid you in scrip for the company store. Think how many people with high hopes for a better life were sorely disappointed.

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Lisa

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rosalind

Richard _ You don't have to ask your brother. Between 1860 and 1920 Scranton and Wilkes-Barre Pa. up in the north east, became home to thousands of well skilled Welsh coal-miners who were drawn by the Anthracite coalfield. Most of them concentrated in an area about twice the size of Rhonnda in south Wales where most of them had originally immigrated from. My mother came from an entire family of coal-miners, from deep south West Virginia and into Kentucky. My dad, who is also gone now came from a family of railroaders. Born in Illinois, he met my mother and was forced by her back into these hills. He never did fit too well. He lived a bit on the lam and outside the law. He worked in the world famous machine shops of Altoona Pa. for a while, till he got itchy and split. Thanks Rich...

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Jens Magnus

Subject: ISB

Richard from Benxi

My favourite ISB record has always been "The hangman's beautiful daughter. Hangs nicely in thin air between folk and contemporary. There's more to be revealed! Any link with the Band?

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Peter Viney

Go to www.mickeyjones.com and you can order his 91 minute DVD / video of the 1966 tour online (I just did) for shipping October 1st signed by Mickey. This is from his colour 8mm home movie camera back then. Should be an excellent document.

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richard

Subject: pennsylvania

dear roz. there's a strong affinity between wales and pennsylvania.in the early 20th century, economic depression forced thousands of welsh miners onto the dole.many emigrated to pennsylvania due to the mining industry located there. some of my own ancestors did this. my dad an ex miner himself knows the full story but sadly is no longer with us. a cousin of mine actually went out 20 years ago to pennsylvania to meet the surviving members of our relatives. ill have to ask him where exactly in pennsylvania they lived. sadly the mining industry today in wales is non existant.there is only one deep mine left in the whole country. cheaper imports from eastern europe killed the coalmines off. take care. rich

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rosalind

Subject: Mary (bear)

As you see Mary, we have more in common than you thought. Bedford is located flat up against the Mason / Dixon line in deep southwestern Pa. Boy, it feels good to come clean about that! I had to bite my lip in the GB to keep from telling everyone that that plane that was headed for DC last year went down in that "one ol'general store" town that folks call "Hooterville" around here. Shanksville is a famous spot now. It's about 15 miles from here. We just took a trip up there this month to pay hommage, say prayers for the country and meet the President. The latter didn't work out tho. Those Somerset coal-miners were also close. Mary, I'm sorry you had to lose a brother too... Your son must be a fine strong man. I have been pulled over by them Pa. State Po-licemen. They are a rare breed indeed! I see that the military hasn't changed much. Still shippin' 'im here and there. You son is in my prayers...he'll be fine.

Okay.. I came here two or three years ago and originally posted Bedford Pa. on my location thing. I wasn't going to do that this time.. altho most of you already knew who I was when I showed up... I was looking for a way to reveal the truth, Mary gave to to me.... thanks Mary...

Richie _ I spent about five years in Seattle and was indeed fortunate enough to claim that small part in "Trouble In Mind" Seattle is a gritty town and I'm just a little ol' country girl.

Diamond Lil already knew all this...I told her.

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brown eyed girl

Mickey Jones strikes the first note of "One Too Many Mornings".....The Hawks referred to Robbie as Barnacle Man because he was always by Dylan's side and they had become very close....

Dylan's "Self-Portrait" is mentioned here from time to time and I always remember the 8 track of this recording as simply terrible even though others here seem to like it.....Here's Dylan....Interview takes place in Dylan's room at the Chateau Champlain hotel in Montreal....1974....

Q: You haven't done any from Self-Portrait so far.

A: I didn't live with those songs for too long. Those were just scraped together.

Q: To, say, make a point or pay tribute to songwriters you liked?

A:Yes.

What about the Dylan album? (another 8 track that I thought Bob was putting us on.....) I've heard the songs were mostly outtakes from the Self-Portrait sessions.

A: They were just not to be used. I thought it was well understood. They were just to warm up for a tune.

Q: The tour seemed to get looser as it got to Canada. There was even mention of you on a station in Toronto that more or less claimed you as a Canadian citizen - or at least a man from the north country of the U.S., close to Canada.

A: Canada seems to bridge a gap between the United States and Europe - and England. It's a certain flair. And this is where I come from, this kind of setting - lakes and boats and bridges......

Q: In Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, do you think that you pretty much played the role of Dylan?

A: I don't know who I played. I tried to play whoever it was in the story, but I guess it's a known fact that there was nobody in that story that was the character I played.......

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Richard

Subject: ISB / And now for something completely out of context...

I have a question concerning the Incredible String Band for anyone here who might be familiar with their discography. I recently got a CD copy of the "5,000 Spirits" and I love it. Previously my only purchase was the "Relics" comp which I got years ago. Where do I go from here. Whats the next best complete album that they made.

Also: Is anybody here familiar with the Gibson / Hopkins remake of "Bounty"?. Is the guy that plays the ship's musician actually the dude from ISB. He sure looks and sounds like him. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Rich.

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Mary (bear)

Subject: Rosalind

Rosalind, I read with interest your post about your brother. It is so touching. I also lost a brother , who also introduced me to The Band, but not that way. Scott was killed on his motorcyle in 1978. But, I have a son who is a US Marine. Jay graduated from Parris Island last February. By coincidence, he also is a rifleman, is stationed at Camp LeJuene in NC, and as we speak is at Camp Pendelton in California repelling from mountains. I surely hope he doesn't have to go to Iraq, or Afghanistan. I have friends who ask me all the time if I am extremely worried about him. Of course, the answer is yes. But, what his chosen profession will be after the Marines is just as worrisome. He is going to the State Police Academy. I think I would rather have him in the Marines than as a State Policeman. So sorry about your brother and thanks for sharing.

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rosalind

Empty Now _ Your post was not ridiculous and out of context. To the contrary, it was a great way to move the GB in a more palatable direction.

I have always wanted to ask Bob Dylan why "Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands" had to be so lloonngg and "One More Cup of Coffee" had to be sooo short.

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Dylan / Cash

There is also a new recording available called "Kindred Spirits: A Tribute To The Songs Of Johnny Cash"....Some contributors....Dylan.....Train Of Love...Steve Earle...Hardin Wouldn't Run...Bruuuuuce...Give My Love To Rose...Folsom Prison Blues...Keb Mo'....Listening to Dylan/Cash Sessions as I'm marking Geometry assignments.....perfect music.....lol......"Just A Closer Walk With Thee"....At the end of the song Johnny calls out...."What's the one ya know Bob?".....(Bob mostly hums throughout song.....) He does a better job on "Blue Yodel".....(Carl Perkins on guitar?) "I'd rather drink muddy water".....

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Pat Brennan

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Charlie Young

Subject: Mickey Jones, Johnny Rivers, Port Dover and More...

Speaking of Mickey Jones, I just got the recent live CD from his old band mate Johnny Rivers, BACK AT THE WHISKEY, and it is excellent. Rivers' original keyboard guy, Larry Knectel turns up on some of the tracks, as does Herb Pederson. I guess Mickey was too busy to play drums.

Another interesting new live release is a double disc set from some mid-1970s Steve Miller performances for the King Biscuit Flower Hour. Since this is an official release from the radio show itself, I hope this means that an official release of material by The Band might surface including tracks not in circulation yet.

I just got PORT DOVER, ROYAL ALBERT RAGS, ACADEMY OF OUTTAKES and TAKE A LOAD OFF by The Band on CD-R (finally) and look forward to hearing them after reading so much about them here.

It's funny that all the talk here about western movies had me in the right mood for a song called "Sergio Leone" on the surprisingly strong new album by Jackson Browne. Another powerful political song on the disc has some cowpoke imagery as well: "Out beyond the ethernet the spectrum spreads DC to daylight, the cowboy mogul rides. Never mind where the gold for all this glory's gonna come from; get along little dogies, it's coming out of your hides..." (c)Jackson Browne, 2002.

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brown eyed girl

Biffalo Bull: The initials of the Judge....C.R.....but goes by R.....He knew the house band who opened for Levon and Barn Burners/Blues Band.....The guitarist was pretty good....

"I got mixed up confusion
Man, it's a killin' me

Well, there's too many people
And they're all too hard to please

Well, my hat's in my hand
Babe, I'm walkin' down the line

An' I'm lookin' for a woman
Whose head's mixed up like mine

Well, my head's full of questions
My temp'rature's risin' fast

Well, I'm lookin' for some answers
But I don't know who to ask

But I'm walkin' and wonderin'
And my poor feet don't ever stop

Seein' my reflection
I'm hung over, hung down, hung up!"

Bob Dylan...."Mixed Up Confusion"....For those who don't understand......

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Zeppe

I just recently realized who Mickey Jones is also. I was watching "National Lampoon's Vacation" and I always remembered the part where the mechanic with that strange beard was supposed to fix the Griswold car, and he extorted all of Clark Griswold's (Chevy Chase) money. And the car was never fixed anyway. While reading the credits to the movie I noticed the name Mickey Jones and I looked him up on the Internet Movie Database because I knew I had seen him in other movies. It was there that I found out that not only was he the corrupt mechanic in the movie, but he was also the Mickey Jones who toured with Dylan and the Hawks on that infamous electric tour. That surprised me because he didn't really look like a musician. I guess it's a small world. I think it's great that Mickey is releasing a video of that tour.

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Peter Viney

Damn! Forgot the pilot's punchline: 'But don't worry. If you're lucky, he'll have pulled your head off first and you won't feel a thing." In spite of the tall tales (which I hope were bullshit) I loved Alaska.

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Peter Viney

I was re-reading the Mickey Jones interview in the “Isis” collection last night. The guy was indeed the perfect drummer for the 1966 tour. As one reviewer said, that tour needed Mickey’s style of drumming. Great guy. Great drummer. And he got paid more than Robbie. Trini Lopez “Live At PJ’s” was the 1962 / 63 mega hit album which first featured him.

J. Tull fan – I take your point about rural areas. I did the tourist float-plane rides in British Columbia & Alaska- where they take you to a remote lake or island. The pilot had a large gun which he carried ashore when we landed, which I thought was frontier theatrics. Then he pointed out the bear tracks, which I also thought was theatrics. Then he pointed out the still steaming turd, and I said ‘Take the safety off that thing!’ Could have been theatrics too – I wouldn’t know a bear turd from a German Shepherd turd, except I think German Shepherds might be rare around there. But I don’t think any of those guys carry a hand gun as protection against bears. They carry an ominously large (and unconcealable) weapon. Then again, you only have to drive into the New Forest 20 miles from here to be 20 minutes away from police protection, let alone rural Wales or Scotland. No bears though. But I know that you wouldn’t drive far from Kyoto to be in Japanese wilderness (with bears). And in all those areas they manage to survive with the protection of a couple of large dogs. In the end, the comparative statistics on gun-related deaths are evidence enough.

The pilot also had a bear spray and I remember the advice. If the bear isn’t angry you can spray it. But that might make it angry. If it is already angry, don’t touch the spray can because it’s going to come and shove it up your ass with extreme prejudice.

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John Cass

Subject: wow!!

Thanks!! for the info

I can't beleive all the times I have seen that guy in movies and until today I had no Idea that guy had such a history with The Band!!! I always reconized him with the weirdest looking beard I have ever seen and he always seemed to show up in movies and I think I can remember being surprized when I heard that that guy used to be in a band with Kenny Rodgers... and now to find out its the Mickey Jones who played drums for Levon.... I guess you do learn something new everyday!!!

Thanks again..

just got my Joe Cocker tickets in the mail for 11-9-02... ordered tickets for Guy Davis (10-12-02), Chris Smither (1-4-03), and Greg Brown (3-16-03) today for shows coming up in Middlebury VT... only about 45 minutes from my house... what a day!!

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Empty Now

By checking the GB before sleeping, i found that my post talking about Dylan is out-of-context and almost ridiculous, while things turned around US civil war and other possible wars. I want to amend myself by adding a modest post to the subject. In my mother country, a slightly different civil war began 10 years ago, 300000 persons already killed, fear is frozen, life goes on, and the grateful death can strike at any moment. In my mother country too, people are convinced that the greatness of America started with civil war, i don’t know why. Grant is as respected as Lee, names like Gettysburg, Appomatox, Franklin, breathe the glory, and make you dream. Unsufficiently informed, despite all which had been said on the question, I’ll never forget two images, both from ‘The good, the bad and the ugly’, after the battle of the bridge, when Clint Eastwood said ‘i have never seen as many guys dying at the same moment’ and when he gived a cigar to the dying soldier. All the posts on the topics are moving and suggest the respect to their authors, I greet them all with a special mention to Rosalind, of course.

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Bashful Bill

John Cass, that is the same guy. I was led to his website a few months ago, I think it was through a guestbook thread, and was amazed at how familiar he was. We have all seen him in countless movies and commercials, a Band connection right under our noses!

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bob wigo

John Cass,

You've got the right guy. Check out his link above.

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Bones

There is a group out of California called AI-Artifical Intelligence, helmed by the son of Doors legend Ray Manzarek. Their new cd has just come out from Dreamworks, and Robbie Robertson is the Executive Producer. Have not heard it yet, but I gather it may be somewhat avant-guarde.

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John Cass

Subject: Mickey Jones

This might be a dumb question..but I will ask it anyway did Mickey Jones after his drumming days take up acting and was in movies like Mask (with Cher) and was he ever in Kenny Roger's band First Edition (or something) or do I have him mixed up with that guy who looks just like Mickey Jones in that picture on the web site....if not there is some actor who always seems to play a tough guy biker sort (never a big leading roll or nothing) but that beard is hard to forget

anybody know who I am talking about????

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rosalind

And thank each and everyone of you. I was only eleven years old when it happened so the only real pain I felt came thru my mother's tears. I did tear myself open a bit to write it down tho. The words from you all came as a soothing salve to close it back up. There are good souls in this place. We have unsung Heros who died in America also that shall never be forgotten. Brave and fearless men and women who have died on streets fighting crime who have given their lives to fight fires. We have people that have fought their own civil wars and have lost the battle. Our beloved Richard Manuel for instance. I saw Art Linkleter on the Larry King show not too long ago. When asked about "How he coped with the loss of his daughter?" and if it "Still hurt to this day?" He replied, "It just wears itself out. The pain never really leaves...it just wears itself out." Good thing to remember....

I have been listening to "Sailing to Philadelphia" all morning. What a great record!

"Sailing to Philadelphia....to draw the line....
The Mason / Dixon line

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Charlie Hawker

Subject: Rick Danko's Bass Equipment

Thanks Dave the Phone Guy... Do you know if there are any pictures or specs of that early amp? I was thinking of trying to build a replica. Any information that anyone has on this would be greatly appreciated.

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Jim

Subject: Big Pink

Just paid my respects to big pink. I'm happy to report that it still looks the same! Beautiful country!

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Ilkka

Subject: Sara

Empty Now and BEG: An interesting Sara connection is that "One More Cup Of Coffee" is written in Les Saintes Maries De La Mer in South of France - there is a crypt under the church, well, what else - in the crypt there is a relic of Saint _Sara_, saint of the gypsies.

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JTull Fan

Subject: and to add one more thing

Although I am a carnivore and defend the killing of an animal if it is for the providing of food and done humanely, I cannot understand the hunting mentality. I feel intense guilt if I accidently run over a squirrel; I could not sleep at night if I ever shot a deer or bear, etc. If the pleasure is from the hunt and pursuit, then take a picture of the animal rather than shooting the poor thing.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Guns

Peter: The gun issue is a little different in countries with vast rural areas like the U.S. and mostly developed ones like Japan. As I said yesterday, I am not a gun owner and have no intention of ever being one. I think they give a false sense of security, are more likely to be used against the owner in the event of a house break-in, and tend to be stolen and used in violent crimes. However, when traveling in the far West of the U.S., in rural Arizona and the like, you see these lone houses and trailors (yuck!)in the middle of empty, vast expanses. If these people encounter a criminal or attacker, the local police are FAR off, and if I was forced to live under such conditions probably would acquire a gun for protection under such extremes. I do not however, see any excuse for assault weapons, cop-killer bullets, etc.

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Peter Viney

Jenny- kids and guns. Guns = politics, so I’ll make this remark begging that we don’t go down that Charlton Heston road. I used to think I’d keep my kids free of toy guns, but it all changes the instant they meet other kids. The one that really annoyed me was when my daughter aged 4 returned from playgroup to announce that she no longer wanted her Duplo & Lego (which she handled with expertise) because ‘Lego was only for boys.’ The other girls had told her so. We started getting demands for pink hair ribbons around the same time. Anyway, my third kid loved toy guns. So did his friends. By that time we’d given up under peer group pressure, persistent nagging and too many sleepless nights. At one party they were playing the usual ‘Bang bang you’re dead …’ games and some friends’ kids joined in. They’d never been allowed to touch toy guns. Within minutes there were tears. The kids who’d never had toy guns hadn’t shouted ‘bang bang’ – they’d used the toy rifles as clubs and clubbed the others to the ground. All a bit ‘Lord of the flies’ really. Ideally I’d avoid toy guns, but you then have to hope all your neighbours’ kids do too. This is not a parable about real guns (though it looks like one). I’d still point out loudly that Europe, Japan and many other places exist and survive perfectly well, with no less freedom and democracy, with a total ban on handguns and most other firearms too.

The Washington wall is extremely moving, even for us non-Americans. I stared long at those names and thought they were all my exact contemporaries, and it was all happening as I was going through college, starting work, doing all the things they didn’t get to do. And I also thanked my lucky stars that we’d never got embroiled in that one.

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BIFFALO BULL

IF I HAVE YOU ON MY WAVELENGTH, DID THE JUDGE HAVE THE INITIALS R.W OR B.W., IF SO WE WERE EDUCATED AT THE SAME PRESTIGOUS HOUSE OF ERUDITION, LIGHT AND LORE.

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David Powell

Thank you Rozalind for reminding us that each name on that wall in Washington stands for someone's brother, son, husband & friend. Let us not forget those women who sacrificed their lives also, sisters, daughters, wives & friends, many who were tending to the wounds & spirits of others. For those left behind, there are many wounds that will never heal.

Instead of uttering partisan rhetoric, the politicians presently in Washington should visit that wall and view the names in respectful silence.

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Pat Brennan

BWNWIT, to elaborate, a visit to the Carter House is even more instructive. From that house south down the hill--on both sides of Rt. 31--was the scene of incredibly bitter fighting, especially around the former Battleground Academy and future site of the Franklin Library. Whatever they say about the second bloodiest day, Franklin was in fact the largest single attack of the war. Some 20,000 Confederates lined up in a huge arc south of town and attacked the Federal entrenchments. Most of the battlefield is gone now--a Pizza Hut stands where Irish-born General Pat Cleburne died, but if you take 31 south towards the Winstead Hills, there's a nice park that explains the battle.

Even more instructive, when I was in Nashville a few weeks ago, I checked out that fine city's Civil War sites. In any number of places you can experience first hand the brutal sacrifice the country made to figure out exactly what the Constitution meant.

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Brent

Subject: Mickey Jones' 1966 Home Movies Released!

Has everyone heard about this release?! I'm pretty excited about it. Click here for details: http://www.1966tourhomemovies.com/. They are accepting orders now for dvd and vhs for October 1 release!

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JTull Fan

Subject: Nashville/Battle of Franklin

BWNWIT: I'll try to check out that plantation next week when I'm in town.

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bob wigo

bassman,

While I don't at all mind your objection and respect your opinion, where in my post did I state any of this becoming "my rules"? I simply stated that my preference would be to have a President with a solid understanding of our military. In the glaring light of this point in time, standing where we are now standing as a nation, I feel it has become more important than ever. Once again, one man's opinion. Nothing more.

JTull listed many past Presidents who lacked military experience yet led with great success. I would argue that most of them succeeded in times and under circumstances that could never be even remotely equated to the challenges of these times.

You are certainly on the mark with your observation concerning those leaders who bring specific experience to their jobs yet remain ineffective. There's no doubt it happens with regularity. My point is that I would always take my chances on the experienced AND qualified. Your question concerning only musicians being qualified to criticize music, etc. is in no way relevant to anything I stated. Again, I respect your opinion and your right to disagree with mine but please don't take an opinion I stated on one matter and attempt to spread it all over other topics of discussion we share here. That sort of hyperbolic distortion only minimizes the valid points you did make.

Respectfully posted.

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brown eyed girl

Ooops!.....Sorry Stevie and gang.....I meant.....SEVEN WONDERS.....not.....SEVEN SEAS....I'm not a morning person....obviously....and I'm running too late to make a power shake this morning.....

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brown eyed girl

Dylan's SARA......Real Robert Zimmerman.....at last?.....Probably.....the most confessional.....even if the verses of this song were written in East Hampton where they had stayed at one time with Jacques Levy...SARA.....seemed liked an ode to his eternal muse....However, some people always point out how some of the lyrics don't always ring true such as SELOTLL....was actually written in Nashville and not in the Chelsea Hotel...."having just taken some kind of cure"??.....Apparently it was another six months....before Dylan attempted to clean up.....In another book on Dylan....as he was recording SARA.....well.....different interpretation again.....not unusual when anyone is trying to figure out Dylan.....

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Empty Now

1st- We are in 1975. i bought evidently the album 'Desire' of Dylan. For the first listening, i enjoyed many tracks and i rejected instinctively 'Sara'. I felt it as a kind of 'Neil-Youngized' Dylan's song.
2nd- Many years elapsed, ironically, i was more and more attracted by 'Sara' at the detriment of all the other songs. The rule didn't apply only to this album, but to any other existing song. And then, It happened something almost incredible, I have listened during four years, between 1992 and 1996, exclusively to 'Sara', several times a day. I was feeling it in my flesh and in my soul. No one believes me when i tell that, or someone who believes me doubts of my psychlogical health. An objective reason is maybe, there were no interesting new creation during the years 1992-1996.
3rd- More ironically again, during this period, I read in one of the Dylan's biographies that he regreted to have written and performed this song, regarding the person to whom it was dedicated......????
4th- Nowadays, i still listenning daily to 'Sara', the difference is that i'm listenning to others songs in parallel.
5th- I am curious to know if anyone here had this kind of behavior towards one song, even for a shortest time, or, why not, a longer.

Now the beach is deserted excepted some kelp And a piece of an old ship that lies on the shore
You've always responded when i needed your help You gave me a map and a key to your door
Sara, Sara, glamorous nymph with an arrow and bow. Sara, Sara, don't ever leave me, don't ever go.

Bayou Sam: I've posted before the reasons of my name. It's a song of Kansas which i used to sing with my band (during many years once again). 'Nobody's home'. it begins by
It's empty now no friendly face and nothing lives within....
in the arabic culture the concept of title doesn't exist. A novel, a song or a poem is refered to by the first words of the text. Since my real name is widely shared here, my friends called me EN a long time ago to make the distinction .

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Diamond Lil

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

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richard powell

Subject: vietnam

dear roz. i found your post regarding the loss of your brother in vietnam profoundly moving. iv never been to the memorial but sepreference would be to have a President with a solid understanding of our military. In the glaring light of this point in time, standing where we are now standing as a nation, I feel it has become more important than ever. Once again, one man's opinion. Nothing more.

JTull listed many past Presidents who lacked military experience yet led with great success. I would argue that most of them succeeded in times and under circumstances that could never be even remotely equated to the challenges of these times.

You are certainly on the mark with your observation concerning those leaders who bring specific experience to their jobs yet remain ineffective. There's no doubt it happens with regularity. My point is that I would always take my chances on the experienced AND qualified. Your question concerning only musicians being qualified to criticize music, etc. is in no way relevant to anything I stated. Again, I respect your opinion and your right to disagree with mine but please don't take an opinion I stated on one matter and attempt to spread it all over other topics of discussion we share here. That sort of hyperbolic distortion only minimizes the valid points you did make.

Respectfully posted.

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brown eyed girl

Ooops!.....Sorry Stevie and gang.....I meant.....SEVEN WONDERS.....not.....SEVEN SEAS....I'm not a morning person....obviously....and I'm running too late to make a power shake this morning.....

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brown eyed girl

Dylan's SARA......Real Robert Zimmerman.....at last?.....Probably.....the most confessional.....even if the verses of this song were written in East Hampton where they had stayed at one time with Jacques Levy...SARA.....seemed liked an ode to his eternal muse....However, some people always point out how some of the lyrics don't always ring true such as SELOTLL....was actually written in Nashville and not in the Chelsea Hotel...."having just taken some kind of cure"??.....Apparently it was another six months....before Dylan attempted to clean up.....In another book on Dylan....as he was recording SARA.....well.....different interpretation again.....not unusual when anyone is trying to figure out Dylan.....

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Empty Now

1st- We are in 1975. i bought evidently the album 'Desire' of Dylan. For the first listening, i enjoyed many tracks and i rejected instinctively 'Sara'. I felt it as a kind of 'Neil-Youngized' Dylan's song.
2nd- Many years elapsed, ironically, i was more and more attracted by 'Sara' at the detriment of all the other songs. The rule didn't apply only to this album, but to any other existing song. And then, It happened something almost incredible, I have listened during four years, between 1992 and 1996, exclusively to 'Sara', several times a day. I was feeling it in my flesh and in my soul. No one believes me when i tell that, or someone who believes me doubts of my psychlogical health. An objective reason is maybe, there were no interesting new creation during the years 1992-1996.
3rd- More ironically again, during this period, I read in one of the Dylan's biographies that he regreted to have written and performed this song, regarding the person to whom it was dedicated......????
4th- Nowadays, i still listenning daily to 'Sara', the difference is that i'm listenning to others songs in parallel.
5th- I am curious to know if anyone here had this kind of behavior towards one song, even for a shortest time, or, why not, a longer.

Now the beach is deserted excepted some kelp And a piece of an old ship that lies on the shore
You've always responded when i needed your help You gave me a map and a key to your door
Sara, Sara, glamorous nymph with an arrow and bow. Sara, Sara, don't ever leave me, don't ever go.

Bayou Sam: I've posted before the reasons of my name. It's a song of Kansas which i used to sing with my band (during many years once again). 'Nobody's home'. it begins by
It's empty now no friendly face and nothing lives within....
in the arabic culture the concept of title doesn't exist. A novel, a song or a poem is refered to by the first words of the text. Since my real name is widely shared here, my friends called me EN a long time ago to make the distinction .

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Diamond Lil

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

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richard powell

Subject: vietnam

dear roz. i found your post regarding the loss of your brother in vietnam profoundly moving. iv never been to the memorial but several of my friends have and they all tell me its an experience they will never forget. i remember that movie in country where the climax of the film is a visit by the film's principal characters to the memorial. that scene moved me to tears. it obviously pales into insignificance compared to the real life experience youv gone through.thanks for sharing. it puts art and culture into its proper perspective. take care.richard

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Jerry

O.K.

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roz

Jerry...Don't go away again...okay?

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Jerry

Roz..I just read about your brother...Thanks for sharing that...

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rozalind :)

Mr. Donabie _ You can spell my name anyway at all..

Mr. Young Thank you..

Okay I have one more family reflection to share and then I will back off...

My dad used to be one of Joey Chitwood's Daredevils. Meaning, he would travel up and down this country and every Saturday or Sunday would securely seatbelt himself into a Chevy and hit the gas and fly like hell up a long ramp and clear a bunch of semi's. He had dreams of becoming a Nascar hero like his friend Glenn Roberts. My mother, with two of her children at her side, would watch my father try to kill himself five or six times a week while a crowd of screaming fans would go completely insane with excitment. When asked in desperation by my mother to stop he would say "I can't live without it." and my mother would say "And I can't live with it." Hey it's a different sex.

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BWNWITennessee

Speaking of tasteless things, I was at a carnival on the edge of town the other week, and they had a big inflatable slide for the kids, that was shaped like the Titanic sinking. The bow was under water, you climbed up stairs in the cabin, went out at the hull, then slid down the deck at a 45 degree angle. Now, I realize that the Titanic sunk a long time ago, but that's still pretty damn tasteless. It made me wonder how much longer until they have a bungee jump shaped like the World Trade Center. Or, far more likely, how much longer until the made for TV movie about it.

But one thing I saw did remind me of "Carny." They had a clown you could try to dunk with a baseball. One short, bald guy was pitching, and the clown said, "You must be bald on top because you bump your head everytime you walk under the table." I thought that was pretty good.

All you Civil War buffs, the next time you're in Nashville, don't come visit me, go check out Carnton Plantation in nearby Franklin. It's a restored plantation home, that has a very good collection of original artifacts from the actual family. But the house was used as a hospital during the Battle of Franklin, which, according to our guide, was the second bloodiest battle of the war behind Gettysburg. The difference being that Gettysburg was three days and the Battle of Franklin was six hours. At least that's what our guide said, although my dad said that there are about ten battles that claim to be the second bloodiest. Anyway, we're on the tour, going around the house, doing the typical old house stuff. And I'm going to ruin it for you now, because the surprise is half of the shock value. But in one of the bedrooms on the second floor, there was a stain in the wood on the floor. So the tour guide is talking about the drapes and wallpaper, then explains that the stain is a bloodstain from when the house was used as a hospital. If you looked at it, there was kind of a circular pattern, and he said that it was a bucket that they put the used dressings in, and after awhile the bucket overflowed with blood, onto the floor. Onto the floor, through the carpet, to stain the floor enough to last through the later attempted cleanings that were mentioned in journals and on for 150 years. So that kind of changed the tone of the tour, and everyone kind of tiptoed around the stain that they had all walked over coming in. So on to the next room, and our guide talked about one of the soldiers' journals in which he described one of the rooms having severed limbs up to the window sill. Then he said that they thought it was this room, because of the large stain under the one window. Also because of another bloodstain, which I was standing next to, which just happened to be in the shape of a severed shin and foot. No shit. He also drew our attention to the fact that there were not any toes, and they theorized that the guy's toes had been lost in the battle before they amputated his leg. The next room was where they actually did the operating, and there was a big crescent shaped bloodstain on the floor. He said that the surgeon had stood there, and that the blood dripping off of his apron had left the stain on the floor. Through the carpet, again. He said that they did forensic analysis and stuff (it's amazing that they can do this) and determined that the doctor had probably stood in the same spot for ten hours straight, amputating people's limbs. There was also a spatter behind it, and he said that the doctor would have been right handed, and they thought that when someone came to talk to him, and he turned around, that the blood ran down his elbow, off his scalpel and onto the floor. Anyway, it certainly changed the tone of our tour of this nice little plantation home, and really reminded one that the Civil War really was real people dying in horrible ways, and extreme suffering, and not some quaint little thing where everyone dressed funny and had cool beards. There was a picture of the woman of the house before the war, and then another one later on. The guide passed the later picture around and asked people to guess how old she was when it was taken, and most people said around 65 or 70. He said that she was 25, then said, "War is hell." He said there was a good book about Carnton, I think it's actually a novel, called "Black Rose."

And speaking of George W. Bush being an idiot, I don't think the so-called liberal media made much mention of his comment when he was in Nashville the other week. He was talking about Iraq, and said, and I quote, "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, 'Fool me once... uh..." Significant pause. "'Shame on you. Fool me... You can't get fooled again.'" I mean, he just had a look of terror on his face when he got lost in the middle of it. God, he's an idiot. If Gore had said the same thing, they would have jumped all over it. And now this genius is going to start WWIII because that's the only way he can keep his approval ratings up, and because he's too stupid to ignore the war mongers and hawks in the military who always want to start wars. Maybe September 11th will have more parallels to Pearl Harbor than we initially thought.

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Fred

"So what season is it in Brazil now?"

ME (all of 13 years old): "Huh?"

PIN HEAD: "You're from brazil, right?"

ME: "Er, no, I'm from Canada. It says so on the form I just filled out and gave to you"

PIN-HEAD: "Brazil...Canada..same thing"

ME: STUNNED SILENCE with visions of Canadians in thongs swaying rhythmically to the samba beat, dancing up and down Yonge Street during the world famous Carnival of Toronto held during the month of February...Rio..who needs it!!

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Bif

Biffalo Bull: Hi! Thanks so much for sharing about Glen Silverthorn's article in the Brantford Expositor.....Small world.....I actually grew up in a small city close by.....watching the river flow......lol.....I also met at Jeff Healey's a Judge from Barrie.....He gave me his card.....So ya never know who'll you meet in sweaty basements......Anyway....Everytime I see your "name" I think of Canada's Bif Naked.....Who said Canadians can't rock whether they're snowed in....or not....??? Actually what troubles me more.....I was in NYC four times this year.....Everytime I was in a store and was asked where I came from.....Store clerks did not have a clue where Toronto was located.....I asked....Have you ever heard of the country called CANADA???????????????????.....Ya know right then I could hear......"I AM CANADIAN"......:-DD

When I asked Buddy Cage why he wasn't going to be at the Hawk's Tribute he said.....'cause he wasn't asked.....He told me that he would give anything to play with Ronnie again because he owes Ronnie so much gratitude.......He's playing with The Brooklyn Cowboys these days......I was hoping to make the Philly gig next month but now that he won't be playing with Garth again....not so sure...........

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John D

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John D

I meant to say how touched I was by your words about your brother. It obviously came from a very private place in your being and I for one was touched by it. Thank you for sharing your inner thoughts.

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John D

"Confederates In The Attic" is one of the finest reads I have ever picked up. I heard about it through Jesse Winchester. The Civil War itself; however; for me is the saddest war of all. People within their own country going to war against each other. There are World Wars and wars of every kind; but The Civil War is unique. As a Canadian; when I travel the historic sites of the war, I pause to listen. If those fields and trees could talk! Can't imagine the terror and the bravery it must have taken during those times. When I get the cash I would like to buy the Ken Burns DVD collection which has just been remastered and as Pat says, is running on PBS once again.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Viet Nam and Acadian Driftwood

Rosalind: my parents met because a mutual friend died next to my father at Chosin Reservoir in Korea. So I wouldn't be alive if Woody Hanks hadn't gone down in that frozen Hell during U.S. involvement the Korean War. I grew up thinking about that.

A couple of years ago I took a day off work to drive my parents into DC, where we visited spots they frequented there while dating in the early 1950s, including the site of a riverside Louis Armstrong concert. But I also took them to the Viet Nam and Korean War Memorials. I had been to both several times, but walking the length of the Viet Nam Wall with my father as he found names of friends he lost 35 years before was an indescribably moving experience.

I appreciate the tip from Pat on that Viet Nam book that connects "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" to Viet Nam, and I wonder if Robbie's later historic epic song (and The Band's great underappreciated masterpiece) "Acadian Driftwood" was also influenced by the ending of fighting in Viet Nam: "the war was over and the spirit was broken..."

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Joe

Subject: Garth Hudson, David Nelson Band at Hempsplash

Great discussion about westerns. Here's another vote for "One Eyed Jacks" with Marlon Brando & Karl Mauldin. By the way, while reviewing the upcoming concerts list, I was surprised to see no mention of Garth Hudson & the Dharma Bums playing along with David Nelson Band et al at the 2nd Annual Harvest Celebration/NORML's 11th Annual Hempsplash Festival in Vienna, NY on 9/28/02. Who are the Dharma Bums?

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rosalind

I posted that all-too-true story about my brother to remind everyone of what War is. For younger people who were never touched in a personal way. To those who have only read stories and seen movies about Vietnam. That Feel-Like-I'm Fixin'-To-Die-Rag was true man! War is nothin' but death and loss...that's all there is and there ain't no more.

Come on mothers...thru out the land
Pack your boys off to Viet Nam
Come on fathers ...don't hesitate...send your sons off before it's too late
Be the first one on your block to have yer boy come home in a box...Alright!

Family reflections will stop now. I'm sorry. Forgot I was talking to strangers.

Mr Young _ Thank you. I enjoyed hearing about your dad.

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Pat Brennan

Early in Reagan's administration, one of his boob-like cabinet officials named James Watt wanted to shut all the Civil War sites down save Gettysburg and Fort Sumter. He also thought the Beach Boys were too subversive to play at DC's 4th of July celebration. In other words, he was an idiot. Interesting how high idiots can rise in government. Anyway, he viewed these battlefields as extraneous and easily discarded. Luckily, he went the way of most of the Reagan administration and left the battlefields alone. Now, someone here thinks you can walk that ground and imagine the blood oozing there. All well and good. On the other hand, I'm sure those reenactors you castigate feel the same thing when they strap it on and reenact those battles. In fact, they have some pretty heavy, emotionally cathartic experiences doing what they do. Check out some reenactor sites and find out about them. They certainly don't think they are glorifying war, anymore than we as citizens glorify war by preserving and interpreting these battlefields. They've also raised hundreds of thousands of dollars to pretect these wonderful historic resources, and for that alone we should thank them.

Okay, something I rarely admit. I reenacted once. In 1996 I had a book published about a Civil War battle just outside Charleston SC. On the weekend I went there as part of a signing tour, they were reenacting the battle I wrote about. I was doing a signing at the reenactment site when some of the participants came up and asked me if I wanted to enlist. I turned them down about 20 times before I finally gave in. All I can say is that it was wild, and although I've never felt the need to do it again, I recall almost every moment of it with relish. And part of the experience was dealing with a real dose of terror when the Federals rolled over the walls of the fort we were defending.

Confederates in the Attic is a great work, and Horwitz has a new one just out or just about to come out. CitA very illuminating and entertaining. Since I'm lucky enough to know many of the people he writes about, I can say with a fair bit of certainty that he did a creditable job describing the "scene" and the participants. And I would also add that Rob Hodge, the star of the book, is an extremely intelligent, whole-souled guy who is a ton of fun to hang with. And, yeah, if you've read the book, that's really the way he is.

For a great analysis of TNTDODD and Vietnam, check out Jim Cullen's The Civil War in Popular Culture. Another good guy.

It's also kind of interesting with all this CW talk that Ken Burns' The Civil War is on PBS this week. A stong Band connection too, with the haunting Ashokan Farewell serving as the theme music.

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Fred

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Al Edge

Just tried the link below for Rick. Didn't seem to work so try this instead and root him out when you get there :-

http://www.ccmusic.com/item.cfm?itemid=CCM03142

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Al Edge

Great story Pete lad. I take it you just tried to look cool with your T McG muzzy. I think I'll see if I can get that original McGuinness Flint lp on a cd. Always had a soft spot for that one with all the Galagher and Lyle stuff on it. Then I might even try to dig out Salty Dog too!!!! Or is that kicking the arse out of it Pete???

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Al Edge

Not sure if anyone else has posted this but thank goodness it seems you can get hold of the 'Rick Danko' cd with the addditional tracks at Collectors Choice Music - http://www.ccmusic.com/search.cfm?searchkey=DANKO%2C%20RICK&bounce=y&searchType=artist.

Also for any Gene Clark lovers, his 'No Other' cd is available at the same place - as is his 'White Light', 'Roadmaster' and - best of all IMHO - his 'Gypsy Angel' demos cd. Also you can get The Byrds 'Most Famous Hits' which contains no fewer than a dozen original Gene Clark songs performed when he was with 'Cry'.

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Al Edge

Sam. Just to make you even more envious. Saw The Beatles twice at the Liverpool empire. First time was on the Tommy Roe/Chris Montez tour. You couldn't hear a damned thing for the girls screaming so don't be too green. Second time was with the big 'O'. Again you couldn't hear a damned thing but I do remember George Harrison staring at me - I was in the second row - because - I think - I was wearing me school tie and blazer. Thank god I stopped short of wearing me school cap and carrying me satchel, otherwise he might have walked off the stage.

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Paul

It's funny that re-enactments has come up in discussion here -- I'm now reading a book called Confederates in the Attic, written by a guy named (I think, I don't have the book in front of me) Tony Horwitz. It's about re-enactors and others on the backroads of American culture, and I'd recommend it as a good read to anyone interested in the subject, or in how the American Civil War has affected us down through the years.

Favorite Western movie (among many): Unforgiven

Favorite Western book: Lonesome Dove. I was all set to enjoy the movie, having heard of the great cast, but I already had it in mind that Tommy Lee Jones was going to be Gus, and Robert Duval was going to be Call. When I found it was the reverse, I couldn't handle watching the movie. Very strange; now that I've gotten comfortable with the idea, maybe I should give it another chance.

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Bayou Sam

Al Edge = I enjoyed your memories of "Love Me Do". I always enjoy stories like that. Your the same age as my uncle who saw The Beatles in Boston in '66 - the lucky bastard.

Remember the strange movie "Westworld".

Dave the phone Guy = thanks - I thought it sounded like the fretless bass on BTF. The giveaway for me is the great stuff Rick plays on "Shape I'm In" during those little break parts. I know he used the fretless on the studio recordings.

Empty Now = I enjoy your posts as well. I'm curious though if you were full at one time, and are you glad to be empty now or are you hoping to be full again at some point :-)

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rosalind

My brother Gary joined the Marine Corps in 1969. He was sent to Parris Island, South Carolina for boot camp. He graduated Outstanding Man In His Platoon" on the 21st of December 1969 and was awarded that medal by Colonal Robert J. Parrich. My family and I traveled to Beufort to watch him graduate. He received his Dress Blues and portrait for free. He then went up to Camp Lejeune North Carolina for rifle range, My mother has his "Expert Rifleman" medal. He came home for six week and on April 1st 1970 he left us. He was shipped to Camp Pendleton in San Diego. The last time we got to speak to him he told us there would a box arriving UPS. Folks, The Band was inside that box. In the bottom, in a crate. I was introduced to The Band for the first time by my brother who I never seen again. He was a radioman. That's the first thing the enemy looks for so that no one can call in help. He was shot off a mountain while hunting a sniper in Da Nang in July of 1970. We still have his cap with a patch on it that says "Swift, Silent and Deadly"

Every one of those faceless names on that slab in DC has this kind of story behind it. I hope to God it never happens again.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Guns

Rosalind: I might add that I would never allow my kids, if I ever have any, to play with toy guns, or ever have the real thing in my house. Don't like them, think they cause even more danger in the house, and don't like them around me, except for collector's antiques.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Gene Roddenberry

Charlie, 6 feet away from me in my closet is a 16mm color/sound version of the original series episode Mudd's Women from Gene Roddenberry's personal collection, with his handwriting on it and all. I know this for a fact as I bought it in a charity auction back in '86 with him present. Also have me and him on audiotape discussing plans for the yet to be titled 'Next Generation'. Still sad to think he has been gone for 11 years now.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Typo Correction & Wars ("Civil" and Other)

I need to correct a typo from earlier today about STAR TREK creator Gene Roddenberry, who often modestly said that his famous creation was no more than "a wagon train to the stars," one that was specifically inspired by the TV western called WAGON TRAIN. Roddenberry actually produced a pre-STAR TREK drama called THE LIEUTENANT, about a group of Marines at Camp Pendleton, California, and I loved that program since my own father was stationed there at the time.

Rosalind: I am very sorry to hear that you lost a brother in Viet Nam. The noble thing about that war, though, was that it was for the most part fought--as the late Charles Kuralt noted in one of his books--not for oil or some other ulterior motive, but to defend the chance of a democratic government in Southeast Asia.

I always thought that "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" resonated the pain of Viet Nam (which was going on in full force when the song was written) and personally connected The Band song with that other war because of the line about "the winter of '65" because my father was a platoon leader around Da Nang then.

I'm sure that there are those who feel that "TNTDODD" romanticizes the American Civil War as some here have said about re-enactors. Some have said the same about the Ken Burns series and it is certainly true about GONE WITH THE WIND. The reality is that more people died from diaherra and other diseases in the Civil War than from gunshots. You don't see them re-enacting that--at least I hope not!

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Peter Viney

I've seen a US (and also an English civil war) re-enactment in Britain - at some sort of Steam Traction Engine Rally, I think. Quite bizarre. People running around shouting and firing cannon. The English Civil War involves more dressing up, though I never understood anyone wanting to play a roundhead (Cromwell's lot) when the cavaliers got all the fancy costumes, lace, horses and wigs. The local Dorset accents in the "US" re-enactment were quite entertainingly out-of-context.

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bassmanlee

Subject: reenacters and military experience

Sometimes I have to do a reality check in here. I'm actually agreeing with JTull and booing Wigo. Strange times indeed.

Bob, why is it that the only way to understand something is to have done it? I'd wager that the annals of bad management are at least as full of those who could DO (or had done) but could not analyze, prioritize, or lead than of those who never had 'hands-on' in the particulars. It irks me that to many (but not all) vets, one can't have a valid view of anything remotely military or foriegn policy unless they've been in the service. To whit, my Senator, Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations committee gets slagged by his opponent, a stuffed-shirt restaraunt owner, because he (the opponent) has been in the military, and Biden has not. Wow, I really want to elect a simpleton who learned to shut up and follow orders without engaging his brain, and parrots his Party Line, over a guy who world leaders know by name and gets briefed by the NSC, and can take a stand for what's right.

Or for a less political analogy, under your rules only musicians can judge music, artists discuss art, mothers understand motherhood, designers appreciate design, etc.

While not a fan or participant of re-enacting, I think our Civil War has a potent mythology and significance that haunts us. Our only prolonged period of waging war on each other. Somewhere in there is the need to remember that, and to make damn sure it never happens again. The crucible of the Republic, and all that...

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rosalind

Point well taken.

But... I saw one of re-enactments once. The faces of the young people in the "audience" is what got to me. After the "show" they were running around, hiding behind trees and making blasting noices as they killed folks dead with their sweet little fingers. I knew it was an innocent game and that's they way kids are but, Gunshows and weapon fanatics are created by folks who fell in love with weapons or who were taught to "fire" back at an early age. I ought know, my dad was one of those gun fanatics. Gunshows, Turkeyshoots, White tail deer season. He would have killed someone if they had tried to take his gun. He kept it hangin' on the back of the cellar door...just in case.

Forgive me for talking about my family so much here..

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JTull Fan

Subject: Peter,

Sorry, the Civil War in my little area of the world. But I've seen tv shows of American Civil War reenactments in Britain and other European countries, which is a little bizarre to me, but perhaps no more so than some of the Renaisance Festivals over here.

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Peter Viney

And of course none of us paid to get in!

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Peter Viney

By Civil War re-enactments, do you mean Roundheads v Cavaliers, Confederates v Union, or Levon v Robbie?

Al- yes, Roger and I went to the same school, Bournemouth School, (as indeed did musician John Wetton, actor Christian Bale and ex-Liverpool footballer Jamie Redknapp, though the last two were many years later). Manfred Mann’s residency at the Disques A Go Go – where I saw The Who, and Rod Stewart and the Soul Agents - was around the same time as they had a weekly 20 minute Blues show on the old local Southern Television station at 11 pm, where Paul Jones did an academic lesson on the blues accompanied by the group. Bournemouth musicians of that era included Zoot Money, Andy Summers, Bob Fripp, Greg Lake, John Wetton and Al Stewart. While not up to Liverpool standards, it beats most towns of its comparative size.

Manfred Mann were the basis of my experience of pop stardom. In January 1967 they played the dance at Hull University. My friend, Jeff, had a brand new car – an MG 1100 saloon, smallish but groovy – in an era when 50 parking spaces were quite adequate for 3500 students. His dad was a car dealer in London. Five of us, all with long hair, set out for the gig at the Co-op Ballroom in Hull in Jeff’s car. Not a parking space to be found. Jeff, being a Londoner, had more nerve than a diffident self-effacing Southerner like me, and said, ‘We’ll park in the artistes car park. Five bands are playing. Five of us with long hair. They’ll assume we’re one of the bands.’ The man on the gate waved us through. The guy in the front passenger seat had a neat Manfred Mann beard, and I had a Tom McGuinness-style moustache (though I was much better-looking than him in those days). The gate man shouted something as we turned the corner – to see a crowd of teenyboppers and about ten policemen. The next moment girls were screaming and pounding on the car roof. Jeff got the car to the stage door through the crowd and policemen formed a barrier around the doors. ‘Give me the keys and run!’ said a policeman and we ran for the stage door. Fortunately, the guy on the door was from the Entertainments Committee and knew us. We were hustled in. Jeff waited for his car keys while the rest of us sidled into the ballroom and lost ourselves in the crowd. Good gig, too. I think Mike D’Abo had just taken over, which upset me at the time, being a Paul Jones fan, but he was good.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Rosalind

Keep in mind that Civil War reenactments usually are encampments demonstrating not only the reenactment of the actual battle, but also of the camps, camp life, musical demonstrations, food (or lack of) clothing, conditions, etc. Yes, the battle part is important, but it is not the whole thing. I agree with your reasons for not wanting to see battle footage, or 9/11, etc., but the Civil War reenactments are something different altogether. I would be much more concerned with much of what goes on at your local gunshow than people firing fake weapons nothing but black powder in them.

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rosalind

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Bones

By the way, the Opening Ceremonies of the Winter Olympics which starred Robbie, Rita Coolidge, Sting, etc won six EMMY awards (more than any other show).

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JTull Fan

Subject: Military Experience and Reenactors

Bob: I think military experience is desirable in a President, but we have had a lot of great ones who had none or very little. Lincoln had extremely limited military experience from the Blackhawk War but turned out to be one of our greatest, most intelligent Commander-in-Chiefs. Grant, two administrations later, achieved the greatest military rank and success since George Washington but was a poor President with one of the most corrupt administrations in history. Eisenhower was, at best, mediocre. Jimmy Carter was...Jimmy Carter. I do not believe either Thomas Jefferson or John Adams served, but were great, if opposed to each other, Presidents. I know FDR was a Naval Secretary but forget if he ever served in the ranks. Most of our mediocre Presidents of the late 19th century were former Union Generals, ie. Hayes, etc. Zachary Taylor of course was a war hero, but did not last long enough to evaluate. Andrew Jackson was a military hero and a great President... On Reenactors: Although a few may glorify war, I believe most who are involved due so to preserve the memory of the soldiers who sacrificed themselves in the Civil War. They are active in preserving a way of life for those men (and the women who attended them as nurses, traveling wives, etc)their values, and hardships. They preserve these vivid images for people to see and appreciate today, and in doing so honor the memories of them. Many of their activities draw attention to preservation issues pertaining to our endangered battlefields and heritage, and their work has been invaluble in getting that message out. As a former Park Service worker I have had many wonderful (and yes, annoying sometimes) encounters with them, and say 'Bah!' to those who would simplify and categorize them as war glorifiers.

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richie

Subject: bronson/marvin

pehr .bronson and lee marvin were enemies in a film set in alaska called death hunt.cant remember if they were brothers in it though.agree with a post a few scrolls back. levon would have been a natural in westerns. shame his film career kicked in when the genre was on its uppers.classic western roles for levon,now theres a thought.

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rosalind

I recently took a trip with my mother and brother to ghost haunted Gettysburg. While walking thru that place I felt blood moaning from the ground. The place vibrates in some places. My mother and I also took a trip recently to the Viet Nam Memorial in DC where we looked my brother's name up on that big slab. I feel that war reenactments far past or not are bad for the soul of America. It cheapens life and we certainly do not need any more cheapening of life in this world.

Charlie Young _ Thank you Sir, for the link on The Rosslyn Mountain Boys. That old record I had was made in the 50's or early 60's tho. I could tell by the sound and the feel of the vinyl. I've heard of the Rossyln Mountain boys. They use to play them once in a while on radio station DC 101 and also a station out of Hagerstown, Md. back in the seventies. They were Good!

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Pehr

I like westerns with Lee Marvin, Lee Van Cleef and Charles Bronson. Like the one where Marvin and Bronson were arch enemy brothers... what was that called.

"Once upon a time in the West" was a beatiful color western. High Noon my favorite B&W.

Charlie Young I dug your post and I'm with you. I'm not offended by Civil War re enactments...I just think its pathetic and retarded and boring. History is kept alive by not making the same mistakes over and over in a much better way. People here dont really know war so they equate it with power and glory and lie about their record as a matter of course.

And I totally see the relevance of ..., particularly right now.

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aL eDGE

nEITHER mY fRIEnD. tHEY ARE pERFEcT AS tHEY STand

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bassmanlee

Subject: Band cover mp3, etc.

Caught a show last night at Wilmington's Grand Opera House by the Dark Star Orchestra. This is a seriously obsessed Dead tribute band that is damn near the real thing. They each take the "role" of a band member, and ususally they use an historic Dead set list as their set for the evening. (Last night was April 9, 1987, we we were "treated" to one of those boring Bret Mydland tunes...) Some of these guys go beyond sounding like their roles, but even look kinda like the part. Scary. But a great show, plenty of dancin' in the aisles. I've never seen the Grand so unruly. Makes me sorry I skipped the Feats there a few weeks back. The kicker was sitting right in front of the soundboard staring at set of empty RCA jacks with no rig...

Anyway, the DSO have tons of mp3s on their web site (above) including a Cripple Creek (into Deal) from March of this year. Go to the MP3 page and select "album1". It's about 10 down. Speaking of Dead downloads, I've lost the link to the authorized download site and see no link from Dead.Net. It was posted here sometime back; could someone do me the favor?

While cruising tag sales and second-hand stores recently it struck me how many truely strange LPs were released. If you think a lot of drek gets released on CDs these days, go browse some old record bins. Mood music LPs of pseudo-Polynesian or Calypso, bad orchestral covers of pop songs, every minor celeb doing the same lounge standards, soundtracks from obscure films and shows... Yikes! Nothing like finding a stash of LPs in beautiful condition, with absoluely nothing in it even remotely interesting!

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bob wigo

JTull,

In my humble opinion it seems ludicrous that we can elect a Commander in Chief who has NO military experience. I believe it should be a prerequisite to nomination.

We've all worked for or with supervisors, managers, etc. that couldn't do the jobs or grasp the responsibilities of those they are managing. That situation rarely creates optimum effectiveness. The President's task as I see it is to be the ultimate "Systems Manager". If he doesn't have broad-based "Systems" experience he's going to come up short. By no means would he/she have had to have been in a General's chair. In fact, he ( and, subsequently, all of us ) might be better served having experienced the daily regimen of the grunt.

I realize there are lots of "peripherals" around this topic but I can't help but believe the country would be better served by someone with some notion as to how the military goes about its day to day business.

I have this image of some brass standing around in a conference room just after Dubya ( or any one of a host of past Presidents ) leaves the room. Eyes are rolling.

Nothing personal. Just one man's opinion.

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Ilkka

Subject: To Empty Now (about Algeria and Jane Birkin)

To Empty Now - I have enjoyed your posts and asking for your help. Unfortunately the current form of gb does not include the emailaddresses so I have to do it this way.
I wonder if you have any information on Jane Birkin's Algerian connections. She is singing with Algerian musicians - even in Algeria. I have missed her and her band with only one or two days in the previous two years. I am getting frustrated!

My link is my gb vCard. The emailaddress is woodlark.geo(Danish pastry)yahoo.com - Thanks.

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Empty Now

Subject: Help! (mind games)

Al Edge: Me too, I find your posts much worthy. I rapidly realized you belong to the GB Who's Who. I'm acomplishing drastic efforts to make my posts more comprehensible. Help me: Is their present verbose aspect due to my south-Oxfordian spelling or to my pedant bibliographical references?

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JTull Fan

Subject: Civil War reenactments

Why would anyone be offended by Civil War reenactments? Although I would never participate in one, preferring a warm bed at the Hilton and restaurant meals, I fail to see why one would have to tsk tsk those who do. They provide a valuable service in keeping history alive and real, especially to schoolkids. I also don't see the relevancy of military service to eligibilty for serving as president.

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richie

Subject: westerns

making up for the fact i didnt have time to write about westerns in my last post. fav westerns? every decade has its greats except perhaps the 80's when the genre was really struggling. here goes. 50's- fav western;the searchers.runner up,shane.60's fav western.the wild bunch.runner up;once upon a time in the west.70's fav western-pat garret and billy the kid(this happens to be my fav of all time)runner up;outlaw josey wales.80's(tough decade this)fav western. heavens gate(full version) runner up;silverado(any western with john cleese cant be all bad)90's fav western-unforgiven. runner up;geronimo. empty now, tombstone (really good) was directed by george pan cosmatos he of rambo 2 notoriety.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Westerns & Civil War Re-enactments

I'm late to the western movie thread, but it struck me that time is right for a remake of the archetypal flim of the genre, HIGH NOON. It would be the perfect vehicle for Levon and Robbie, though I'm not saying who I would cast as the Gary Cooper character. That climatic duel would be pretty damn intense, though.

I grew up on westerns on TV as a kid, including the one that helped inspired STAR TREK Gene Roddenberry, WAGON TRAIN. I also remember Ronald Reagan as host of DEATH VALLEY DAYS, a role he was much better suited for than that of US president.

Speaking of Reagan, last night's Bruce Hornsby concert here in the Philly area included an inspired absurdist momemt when Bruce had an old roadie friend come out and dance while wearing a Richard Nixon mask when Bruce dusted off his song, "Defenders of the Flag," an old anti-war song that Hornsby wrote and recorded back in the mid-1980s that is now suddenly relevant with Dubya's recent sword rattling against his father's old arch enemy in Iraq. Hornsby also performed his song inspired by the late Pulitzer Prize winner Lewis Puller's autobiographical book, FORTUNATE SON, about the struggle the legless Viet Nam vet went through before he ultimately commited suicide.

Did anyone catch the bizarre moment on "Letterman" last night when the program cut to a live Civil War re-enactment on 53rd street. It was weird and not the least bit funny to me (they even copped the LAST WALTZ intro to TNTDODD as they went to commercial. As a noted Civil War historian friend of mine once told me, he has never seen any real veterans who find re-enactment of battles something that is fun to do. Of course, Dubya and Cheney are not real veterans, either, just like those western stars were not real cowboys...

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rosalind

Okay...Empty Now just hit a chord! It was that damned fly. If that damned fly had landed where it was suppose to land, yeah, we would never have had all this agony and Levon and Robbie wouldn't be hating each other. If that damned fly had landed on Scorsese's face and crawled up his big honker of a nose, he would have had a terrible allergic reaction, it would have caused his asthma to sky-rocket, and they would have had to call the paramedics and resuscitate him in the ambulance. In the hospital, he would have re-thought his life because of his near-death experience and cancelled all his current and future moviemaking ventures and gone back to New York and become a priest. That damned fly! "Get that Fly!"

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Al Edge

Once upon a time in the west will always remain a culture shock for me because Henry Fonda was just SO evil in it. He never so much had five-o'clock shadow on his mush as the dark side of the moon painted matt black!!

Must admit Roger I still haven't got over the fact that as one of only about half a dozen Brits to post on here you and PV went to the same school!!

Re All la Glory - you weren't by any chance angling after me posting that lullaby post? Or is it simply you experiencing one of those defining fatherly moments that need assuaging with something warm and familiar such as Levon crooning a bit?? :-0)

Re the Manfreds - saw them a while back at The Phil - Two singers - Mike D'Abo AND Paul Jones. Good night too. Chris Farlowe was there as well. Somehow Paul Jones looks younger than he did in'63 - could be his acne clearing up I suppose. Mike D'Abo doesn't.

Empty Now - I love your posts even if I don't think I entirely understand about half of some of the points you may or may not be making but rest assured I'm getting there slowly but unsurely and never fail not to rest further assured the pleasure is all ours in the partaking so keep 'em coming me old fruit!!! :-0)

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Dave the Phone Guy

Charlie H. ,,,,,in the 70's 80's and 90's Rick Danko played through an Ampeg SVT amplifier.He had a 2-15 speaker enclosure.There was some discussion here awhile back about custom built amp rigs he used in the early days that were built by a friend or associate of The Hawks.

Bayou Sam ,,,,Danko used his black Ampeg fretless bass on the BTF tour.It was sure fun to watch him "slip-slidin'" on that bass.

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Empty Now

Thanks Roger Woods for your instructive comment
The Beatles: This GB is a perfect model of democracy. I really believe it. Hope it remains like tha

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Roger Woods

Subject: Empty Now - The Deguello

Empty Now - Dmitri Tiomkin didn't write the Deguello. Certainly it features in Rio Bravo, and in The Alamo (much better trumpet) both of which were orchestrated by the wonderful Dmitri Tiompkin, but it's an old Mexican (originally Spanish?) military tune signifying no quarter to an enemy.

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Roger Woods

Subject: Westerns and the Beatles

Interesting lists of Westerns. While some of my greats are up there (including John Wayne's masterpieces - The Searchers and Liberty Valence) I don't think we've seen mention of Culpepper Cattle Company or Ride the High Country, both little gems. The greatest for me is the Sergio Leone master piece "Once Upon A Time In The West". This didn't star Clint, Peter. The best spaghetti westerns were made after he'd gone to Hollywood. Claudia Cardinale of Blonde on Blonde fame played a lead.

"Way of the Gun" is a terrific modern western.

Al Edge - I remember January 1963 in a similar way to your November '62. I was a 200 miles south of the cavern in Bournemouth. Our cellar club was the Disque a Go Go at which Manfred Mann had an early residency in '63.

I drove back to Birmingham late night after depositing our daughter at University. I listened to Stagefright for the first time for ages. All La Glory is up there in my top 5 all time Band tracks again.

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John D

Attention Peter Viney:

According to Peter Howell in the Toronto Star today...Pete and Roger and Paul and Ringo should get together and form the Whotles. Paul and Ringo could you use a guitarist and another lead singer and The Who could use a bass player....harmony singer and drummer :-). Well it was fun to read.

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Empty Now

Thanks for all the reactions to my post about the Beatles
I was really conscious of the risk i was exposed to by submitting such a dogma to reflexion. Honestly i wished opposite views to moderate a volunteer exageration i used. Anyway, I consider the opinion of the Gbers more reliable than the non-specialized public one, cause my own perception of the band had drastically evolved from the beginning until present days. The leading idea can be summarized as: To disagree partially with my last post is natural and can be useful to correct the possible bugs. To disagree completely means you believe that the Beatles are objectively and definitively the best of all. It could be trivial to pick up a classic debate.

I searched hard my favorite western, i cant mention one. Many are splendid, none is boring. The more recents i enjoyed : Tombstone (directed by?) and Dead Man (Jim Jarmusch) I have all the film in mind : I’m William Blake and here is my poetry !!!
Question to Rosalind who mentionned ‘Once upon a time in the West’ : does the fly played in another movie?
Cause we are in a Hawks site, remember the fantastic trumpet you heard in Howard Hawks ‘Rio Bravo’: the title of the tune: ‘De Guello’, composed by : Dimitri Tiomkin

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WS Walcott

Most of the best ones have already been mentioned, ie: The Wild Bunch. I'll cast a vote for The Long Riders. Great soundtrack as well, Ry Cooder. Did anybody mention Unforgiven or Pale Rider?

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brown eyed girl

Richie: I also really like "A Pagan Place" by The Waterboys.....especially "The Thrill Is Gone" (Scott influenced by B.B. King?...but completely different song) and "Somebody Might Wave Back"....but I still usually choose to play "This Is The Sea"......I knew when The Waterboys recorded "Dream Harder".....something was very wrong.......Finally my older brother and I have similar musical taste.....He never liked The Band or Dylan but really likes The Waterboys like myself.....He did however like Van when he was in Them....

Fave modern "Western"...."Desperado" directed by Robert Rodriguez....."In a poetically violent style reminiscent of John Woo and Sam Peckinpah.....Soo many surprises.....as only Rodriguez can deliver.......Antonio Banderas, Salma Hayek......

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Jon

Subject: Mike D.-Autumn

Have to agree with your comment about the fall. The corn down here in Missouri looks real bad, all the dry weather really did a lot of it in. Not much leaf color yet; I don't expect much in leaf color, it's been too dry, probably be lots of browns, not much red and orange. But the Band's music does fit in well, especially out camping this time of the year. A campfire, beer, and King Harvest in the background. Thats what I call living the good life.

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Jenny T

Speaking of Pekinpah's Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, I remember a John Stewart song (Durango) where he said "I never saw old Pekinpah/I guess he forgot to call/I can understand using Rita's man(?)/He'll be the best Billy Kid of them all." So I always thought JS must have wanted to play a part in that movie. He was (probably still is) a good looking guy--I wonder if he could act.

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Jenny T

The best Western I have seen recently is The Jack Bull which was written by John Cusack's father and stars John Cusack. He plays a horse breeder who stands his ground against a bad guy and loses everything in the process. Except his integrity. He does a good job and he looks really good in the clothes.

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Al Edge

How's a fella meant to keep pace with all this? You go AWOL for a few days and next thing you know you've got to read War and friggin Peace.

Westerns?

Not sure which critically are the best but my own favourite by a street is 'The magnificent Seven' - it's a kids thing and I'm still a kid I guess. A few underrated ones - Geronimo, Jeremiah Johnston, Nevada Smith.

Beatles?

I presume Empty Now was pulling our collective leg.

Basically without the ground being broken by The Beatles we probably wouldn't be discussing music on this website.

Funnily enough I've just thought of an analogy between this and the whole western genre.

There are those - myself amongst them - who for whatever reason have never really taken to John Wayne. Yet I was reading something a year or so ago written by some Westerns expert who said that without John Wayne's characterisation of the archetypal Cowboy in 'Red River' back in the thirties, the generic Movie and TV cowboy character we all know and love might never have evolved.

Certainly, the same is true with popular music and The Beatles. As a small cameo illustration of the impact they had worldwide then simply take a look at photos on this website of Levon and The Hawks taken prior to them being exposed to the cultural sway of John, Paul, George and Ringo.

It's kind of hard to absorb the reality of history in retrospect but one thing none of us should ever do - and I'm as guilty as anyone - is to draw bland conclusions from a relatively tiny modicum of the actual facts.

To infer for even a milli second that The Beatles weren't pivotal to the development of popular music or stretched its boundaries and widened its impact is to deny its very essence. If you doubt me then ask the Rolling Stones why they were so desperate to cover I Wanna Be Your Man back in '64. As ever The Beatles had led the way and though in hindsight I wanna be Your Man might now seem quite tame, at the time 'The Stones' were in awe and viewed it as cutting edge. That historical reality thing again. Life from its actual perspective before the knowledge has been accumulated.

Bayou Sam. If I can but try to capture a flavour of what it was like.

It was 1962. Late October. North Liverpool. I was 12. We were clustered around the bonfire we'd been collecting for the previous few months. I overheard some of the older lads talking heatedly of which side of this new record by some local "group" they used to watch in this club down town was the better. They were split pretty evenly into two camps but all were boasting that by buying it on the day it came out they had helped get this record into the hit parade. As it was a Thursday I dashed home to look at the Hit Parade in the Daily Mirror newspaper. At number 17 was the group they'd been talking about. 'Love Me Do' had entered straight into the hit parade at that position. I was astounded. Captivated and enchanted from that moment. I can still feel that tingling of identification even now. Shaking with excitement I bounded back to the bommy to hear more words from the insiders - The Beatles Cavern 'mates' such as Ray Lewis and Wally Breslin.

My favourite ever musical moment.

Neither Liverpool nor the world were ever the same again. Whether for the better or worse, who can honestly say but everything changed seismically after that.

In modern history there can never have been a more defining moment culturally. If only for the fact that The Beatles went on to make America sit up and take cogniscence of its musical uniqueness then those four lads who shook the world look up to absolutely nobody.

Sorry if I've come on a wee bit too strong Empty Now, but we Scousers tend to pull for one another a tadge more than most. Prickly bastards we can be. :-0)

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richie

Subject: music and westerns

roz and peter. thanks for your response.i wish i had the same gift for answering film trivia as predicting lottery numbers. now that would be something.brown eyed girl. i agree with you entirely. later waterboys hasnt quite got the same magic as the incarnation before mike split the band. then again the new version is to all intents and purposes a mike scott solo affair. its still worthwhile though. the last album rock in a weary land was mst enjoyable. i saw them live last year supporting neil young. brilliant. susan. the first 2 remastered albums, waterboys and pagan place ,i think thats all thats out yet have half a dozen bonus tracks. so i would get them. sleeve notes, nice but not extensive. sound quality. superb.

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John D

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John D

See what happens when I get insomnia. Dreamland released in 96. Thanks BWNWITennessee for the info. Very interestling listen.

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John Donabie

Just a few weeks to go until The Beatles "Hard Day's Night" finally comes to DVD. I see there are lots of great special features and it remains one of my favorite music films of all times. Also of special note in December, "The Producers" with Zero Mostel & Gene Wilder at his absolute best...... FINALLY gets it's special DVD release.

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John Donabie

Subject: Robert Randolph & Family Band

TO HANK FROM CORK:

Hank as a guitarist I just wanted to make you aware that Robert Randolph and his Family Band are on their way to Dublin (With The Blind Boys) and Cork to the Jazz Festival. I put a link to the tour. He is one of the greatest pedal steel guitarists I have ever heard. He is currently heard on the new Blind Boys of Alabama CD as well as joining John Medeski on the incredible CD "The Word." Check him out if you have the time. He'll blow you away. He's taken the steel guitar to heights in this era as Pete Drake did in his times almost 50 years ago.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Spelling Correction--and Another Connection to The Band

I found out that the DC-based, pre-Burrito Brothers "cosmic country rock" band was spelled with a double "s" after the DC suburb in Virginia just across the river from Georgetown (Lowell George died in the Key Bridge Marriott in Rosslyn). Anyway, the Rosslyn Mountain Boys actually had a direct link to The Band because their steel player, Tommy Hannum, worked with Emmylou Harris (click the link above for more about that band). Small world, huh?

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Dave Z

The new CSI soundtrack has Robbie's Unbound on it... The episode it appears in is also one of the better ones... a dark tale of supermodel math...

Does Centennial count as a western?... I always liked that miniseries... and since there's movies buffs out there... do any of you remember a Disney movie... something like... Secret of Barons Castle... might have been a Hardy Boys movie... I liked it as a kid but never was able to track it down... so maybe it's just my imagination... a good train scene I think...

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Bayou Sam

Bob Wigo = I haven't heard Jeff Beck's take on "A Day In The Life", but I'd sure like to. Do you know what year he did it, or what album it's on? I'm going to finally pick up Becks Guitar Shop too.

--other bands certainly took stadium shows to amazing heights - but when The Beatles played Shea Stadium, it was something that was unheard of in rock music.

I'm sure the experts out there will correct me, or add to the list, but I beleive the Beatles did a lot of rock "firsts" =

printing the lyrics to all the songs on the album cover (Sgt. Pepper).

feedback on a recording (I Fell Fine). I always thought that there MUST have been someone who did it before. But I always loved how John "claimed" that first for the Beatles.

shortening the silence between songs (Pepper again) - not a huge musical milestone, but still.

demamding, as of '67, that they're records be released with the same song selection everywhere in the world.

they broke the rules for the length of a 45 with "Hey Jude".

long hair.

they completely changed the buisness of the recording studio - from the hours of the day you worked, to what you could do on tape. That alone is one of the things that make them the greatest.

They wanted to speak out in the early days about things like Vietnam, but Epstein wouldn't let them

I'm a little young (42) to appreciate The Beatles real initial impact. I've often wondered what it was like to go through having them right in your face for the early 60's, then to have them sort of fade - then Sgt. Pepper. It must have been amazing......I remember two storys - one was told by Phil Lesh where he talked about the Dead listening to Revolver, and when the album ended with "Tomorrow Never Knows" they were just stunned. It was something that they'd never heard before..........Also, Maryanne Faithful told a story about a party in "68 with a lot of musicians. This was a time where the flower power stuff was still flowing, and people at the time wondered what the Beatles could possibly do next. McCartney came into the party excited to play an acetate that he had with him. It was "Hey Jude" and the question was answered.

The Beatles greatness is not only the music - but the whole package. But the music is the backbone. You can't find a more diverse album than the White Album, can you? The Stones are a great Guitar, bass, drums, piano, foor-on-the-floor- rock band that nobody is on par with, but they could never pull off "White", or "Abbey Road". That's not a slam on the Stones BTW.

Also BTW - when the Beatles stopped touring they had been playing live for many years. They felt like they were getting sloppy as musicians - and stale, just going out a flying through a set that nobody could hear. They wanted to grow......Paul had no problem touring with the best of them just a few years after the split.

Wow, this post is long already. Get me started on the Beatles though.........................

Let me end on a Band note....ummm......I was listening to "Before The Flood" today - which is some of my very favorite live Band stuff, and I was wondering if Rick was using his fretless bass on that tour at all. Would any of you cats know?

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Pat Brennan

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Ben Pike

If the Band's sensibility had been a Western Movie: Altman's masterpiece "McCabe And Mrs. Miller", of course, though Lenard Cohen got to do the music. This great film, btw, is just out on low priced DVD.

"The Wild Bunch" is a towering masterpiece, pretty much dwarfing SP other decent films.

You might have mentioned that just like "Last Man Standing"; the first Eastwood Westerns were drawn from much better Kurosowa films, who of course was himself influence by Ford.

Was "Seven Samurai" a Western? Maybe, but of course the Duke saw "The Conqueror" in which he played Genghis Kahn as a western too.

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BWNWITennessee

I've been driving myself crazy trying to remember some singer who was popular about five years ago. He was a Latin, somewhat eclectic singer-songwriter who got a lot of airplay on adult alternative stations. He played in Pittsburgh all the time for a year or two, then dropped off the face of the earth. But I saw him several times, unintentionally, because he was opening up for people. WYEP always played him, and I think he opened for Los Lobos at Metropol, or Joe Ely, so some of you in the Pitts' should remember. But he played there like five times in one year. Anyway, the song I remember was something about "It's money that makes the monkey dance." This was around '96. What was his name? It was kind of a strange name, I think it started with a P.

And speaking of vanishing spells, who remembers Madeleine Peyroux? She was kind of a proto Norah Jones; she sounded a lot like Billie Holiday. She had one release around '98 called "Dreamland," I think. She was huge with the yuppie set. She even covered a Patsy Cline song, similiar to Norah's Hank cover. But I remember trying to see her at some mid-sized club, and that mother sold out in about five minutes. She was never as big as Norah Jones, but was getting close to Diana Krall size. Anyway, it turns out that she had some vocal problems, polyps and nodes (my favorite breakfast cereal), and had surgery at Vanderbuilt Medical Center in Nashville. She was playing at a little blues club down here on a regular basis a few years ago, trying to get her voice back into shape. I went to see her once, and she was playing solo, accompanying herself on guitar (very well, I might add). The place was mostly empty, I think I was the only person that came to listen to her. The rest were rednecks playing pool and probably getting pissed off that she was bothering them. I know it's the same singer, because there was an article in the paper about her. But I haven't seen anything about her for a year or so, so I don't know what she's doing now. Hopefully she's got a deal, or is trying to reestablish her career. Now would be a great time for her to come back, what with Norah and Diana's popularity. I think there's a chance for female psuedo jazz singers to be the next big thing for about 15 minutes, like Latin music was two years ago, and swing two years before that. But most people would probably think she was a Norah Jones imitator, even though she was around first.

Speaking of Norah Jones, Mandy Barnett, Nashville's best vocalist, is recording a new CD with Arik Marden, the guy who produced Jones. Apparently it's going to be a little big-bandish and torchy, so hopefully she'll have some luck with that. The rumor I've heard is that Mandy's not very consistent in her career goals; that she goes from wanting to sing country, to torch songs, to pop, every other week. But hopefully, keep your fingers crossed, the new CD might include a couple of really cool new songs that should thrill fans of classic country songwriters.

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brown eyed girl

richie: I'm smiling as I'm sharing some information and thoughts about Waterboys and World Party....Thank you!......Mike Scott and gang didn't play at TLW so.....He's rarely mentioned here......Anyway, I do have Mike Scott's "Bring'em All In" but I was really disappointed....The only song that consistently stands out for me is "She Is So Beautiful".....acoustic recording.......Although he is referred to as "Soulful like Van Morrison, rambling like Dylan"....The Scottish singer/guitarist/pianist lost his edge when the original Waterboys split up (Band was named for a lyric off Louuuu Reed's "Berlin" recording.....Could it be ...."And then the Welshman from India".....-"The Kids")....especially when Karl Wallinger left....Fave recording without a doubt...."This Is The Sea".....

It's interesting to note that he thanks Dylan on "Fisherman's Blues".....as well as many, many others.....but doesn't thank Van.....and he covers Van's "Sweet Thing".....This was the song which I remember the most when I saw them in Toronto in the eighties.......Mike Scott reminds me of Ian McCulloch of Echo and The Bunnymen.....They were great.....intelligent, eerie, mysterious, edgy......but when Ian tried to go solo briefly......Some artists need the group to create tension for their art......I did manage to see this group at the El Mocombo in Toronto and in Kitchener (Octoberfest land).......For those of us who were into punk/"new wave".....our generation........finally...We had our own writers........

"We're setting sail
To the place on the map
from which no one has ever returned
Drawn by the promise of the joker and the fool
And by the light of the crosses that burn
Drawn by the promise of the women and the lace
And the gold and the cotton and pearls
It's the place where they keep
all the darkness you need
You sail away from the light of the world
On this trip baby

You will pay tomorrow
You gonna pay tomorrow, yeh,
You will pay tomorrow

.........
Avarice and greed
are going to drive you over the endless sea".........
Ship Of Fools....Karl Wallinger (World Party)

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Charlie Hawker

Subject: Rick Danko's Bass Setup

Hi Everyone! Can someone please tell me what kind of amplifiers Rick Danko used. If he used different amps at different times and you know them I'd be glad to know them all but I'm most interested in the early recordings. Thanks a lot.

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rosalind

" The Shadow of Chikara" aka "Wishbone Cutter" aka "The Ballad of Virgil Cane" Sometimes I forget the internet is for other things besides the GB...

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Mike D.

Fall is coming again. Being in Iowa, it's already started. Leaves changing colors, cooler temperatures and mellow sunrises and sunsets. Though I can listen to The Band all year-round, it seems to fit best in the fall. I don't know why, but Rock Of Ages and The Brown Album get plenty of rotation each fall. Does this make any sense? The Band's music just reminds me of fall, harvest time and all that good stuff. Ok, besides "King Harvest"! Enough ranting for now

Mike

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Tint Monster

Subject: "Westerns"

OK, now to steer this mother back into a music forum, I put out there the quintessential "Western-Comedy-Musical-Romance-Documentary".......PAINT YOUR WAGON !!!

I am surprised you haven't mentioned this one yet Peter. To my knowledge the only time Clint Eastwood ever opened his mouth with the intention of singing. Even though the result was wide of the mark he was able to slip into the comedy slot.....

"I talk to the treeeesss......."

Whooeww...

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G-Man

Hey Bash,,,"Wild Bunch",,has to be best western goin!! Speakin of the Wild Bunch,,why don't ya hit the trail to the Pattenburh House this fri. for the JWB show! Now that's a pretty WILD BUNCH!! NO EXCUSE,,like I have to WORK!!!

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rosalind

Robbie lent "Dixie" to a director back in the early eighties who made a film starring Joe Don Baker, Sandra Locke and Ted Neeley. It had a real bad civil war scene at the very beginning in which "Dixie"was used as the soundtrack....I remember thinking "My God Why Did He Let Them Use That Song?" The subject matter was undoubtedly very tempting to Robbie since it happened to be about an American Indian legend. Baker played a civil hero who had heard from a dying soldier that diamonds had been dropped down the top of a mountain. But there was a catch, Everyone who had ever tried to reach the treasure had mysteriously disappeared. He came home and gathered up two guys. A young guy and an indian who knew the score but ignored it anyway. On the way up the mountain they met a helpless woman, Sandra Locke, who seduced each one of these guys, drew them away into a private situation, and then turned into a vulture and ripped them apart. Does anyone remember the name of the film? I have forgotten.

Peckinpah was fond of throwing knives into doors... Kind of like the way Scorsese is fond of ripping phones out of the wall.

Support Your Local Sheriff had the funniest Bruce Dern I ever seen!

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Long Distance Operator

Bob Wigo, I was waiting to hear your impression of the Stones theater show. I'm very jealous!

I love the Beatles, and I completely understand why they are usually tabbed the Best Rock Band ever. However, there is something to be said for longevity, and something to be said for great live performance. The Beatles "retired" in what, 1966? They never graduated from the 30-minute-can't-hear-them-over-the-screaming-teenyboppers shows. The Stones (along with Dylan and the Hawks) were pioneers in graduating the rock show to the full-blown, two-hour, full-volume arena spectacle that still exists to this day. The Stones also virtually invented the Stadium Show, which is admittedly not one of my personal favourites. It was nonetheless a necessary evil when a band becomes as large as the Stones and has hundreds of thousands of fans that want to see them "live". I just don't think the Stones get enough credit for being the undisputed Kings Of The Live Show. Bob Wigo can attest. These guys are 60 years old now, and will still kick you in the shorts every time!

The Beatles vs The Stones debate has raged for damn-near 40 years. It's trite. The Beatles almost always get the nod, too. Well, here's one large vote for The Rolling Stones. They had to persevere for 30+ years while the Beatles rested on their considerable laurels. They satiated the greedy hordes with high-energy sets, and the Beatles shut it down because they admitted they couldn't translate their "studio magic" in a live setting.

LONG LIVE THE ROLLING STONES, STILL THE GREATEST ROCK AND ROLL BAND IN THE WORLD

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EMILY BENALLY

Subject: The Band should play again in Casinos

I love the band,
I really wish The Band should still play in these Indians casino.

I love the sound of the band music.

I have played the cd for people and friends they like the beat of the music enough to dance to it.

I am truly sorry to say I miss Rick Danko. I play his music (Times Like These) every night

I also am sorry I cannot talk to Robbie, doesn't he know that when you are skins you are family?/n

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Bashful Bill

Oops, almost forgot one of my favorite westerns, and one with many Band connections-Pekinpah's Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid. If Levon had started his acting career a few years earlier he would have been a natural pick for one of the motely outlaws or lawmen in this movie.Same subject matter-Gore Vidal wrote a Billy The Kid TV movie about 10 years agostarring Val Kilmer, which actually closely followed the facts.Do Civil War movies count as westerns? Pekinpah made a movie called Major Dundee, which meets the definition of flawed masterpiece. Star Charlton Heston backed his eccentric director's vision against the studio's interference, a director's cut of this movie would be appreciated but the reels were destroyed. How aboutmodern westerns? The Misfits,legendery as the last movie of three troubled stars-Clark Gable, Marilyn Monroe, and Montgomery Clift, directed by the equally troubled John Huston and written by Arthur Miller(once married to Monroe), qualifies as a modern western. So does Lonely Are the Brave, Kirk Douglas' favorite of hisown movies. Those two were both made in the 50's. Examples of truly modern,or contemporary may be a better word,are Tender Mercies, directed by star Robert Duvall,who also wrote and performed much of the soundtrack, is a modern western worth seeking out. AndJohn Sayles, who has many fans in the guestbook, made Lone Star, which except for one brief scene(the one with Frances McDormand)is a perfect movie.

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Bashful Bill

The three greatest westerns-Shane, Tne Man Who Shot Liberty Valence, and Lonesome Dove(the sequel-Streets of Laredo isn't too shabby, either)- though very different, all share the same theme-the last days of the gunfighter and the open plains.Shane was made on location in Montana,much of the action takes place in a muddy little hovel of a settlement they built in the shadow of the Grand Tetons.It would be a nearly perfect movie if they had chosen a male and female lead who had some chemistry. Valence was made mostly on a Hollywood soundstage and lacks the gritty realism of Shane, but is very nearly a perfect movie, definitely a perfect western.The old duke is rightfully maligned by many for his politics, and he made spme crappy movies, many westerns among them, but he made some truly great ones too, such as The Searchers, True Grit, and The Shootist.That last one is a very interesting piece. Wayne plays an old ex-gunfighter racked with cancer circa turn of the century with a very short time to live. It was his last movie, made while he was literally dying of cancer.It also teams him with his old Valence co-star James Stuart. High Noon, The Long Riders, several of Eastwood's oaters, The Ox-Bow Incident,Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid,The Wild Bunch, Dances With Wolves, Unforgiven are popular and worthy of it. But search out the following titles, some great, some flawed, but all lesser known westerns which any lover of the genre would appreciate:The Hired Hand(Peter Fonda, Warren Oates), The Last Sunset(Rock Hudson, Kirk Douglas), Bad Company and Wild Bill(Jeff Bridges),The Grey Fox,Chino(Charles Bronson), Bite The Bullet, Hombre(Paul Newman),One Eyed Jacks(Brando's only directorial effort, after he wrested contol from Stanley Kubrick), Two Rode Together, Rio Conchos,Elvis even made a couple real good westerns early in his acting career, believe it or not, titled Love Me Tender and Flaming Star. All of these fine westerns, in my opinion,and are readily available on video.

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Peter Viney

According to the BFI book, there was an attempt by Hollywood to produce Westerns in Australian settings, their key offering being "The Kangaroo Kid"- I think most of us could have said, 'Not really a good title or idea".

The best spaghetti Westerns did have Clint Eastwood, which made them look pretty Western. The Mexicans had the right to make them too (and did). Myself I'm fond of the jokey Western - Cat Ballou, Support Your Local Sheriff and The Life & Times of Judge Roy Bean spring to mind.

I'm going to seek a video of 'Ballad of Cable Hogue' even though Peckinpah is in my bad books. I saw a copy of "Peckinpah's only war film" 'Cross or Iron' on offer (very cheap) and have to say it's about the worst war film I've ever seen.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: " ? Western"

Of course you're right W S Walcott,the trivia is welcome and probably not far from the main focus on some level. It's just my transparent attempt to deflect my inadequacy that made me say it...or did you know that?

Now Mr.Viney, I totally see your point and I suppose I would have to agree with you. The,"Western",is a genre not necessarily a location. I must, however, point out that here in the "West" as it were, films produced "overseas" were given culinary prefixes identifying the continent of origin. The "Spaghetti Western" being the most notable. In this vein I think Ned Kelly should perhaps be labeled a "Vegemite Western" ? A "Kangaroo Western" ? NO, NO, a "Wallaby Western" yea, that's it

Now the obvious advantage to the "Vegamite Wester" theme would be that you can tie it into the "food" vein that seems to pevade so many topics here on the GB. It goes right to the heart of Rosalinds chuckle about "Down Under" and "Peanut Butter-n-Banana" hijinks...NO ?

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JQ

Subject: Beck

David Powell - Beck is actually the guy with no last name. Anyway he's got a brand new record out which is quite good to my taste. Ballads & some very interseting arrangments. It's called Sea Change.

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Bones

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John D

DAVE THE PHONE GUY. I just went over the note I received from Maud and sorry to get you excited.......I screwed up. He was supposed to be in the Bay area with Marley's Ghost on the 4th & 5th; but cancelled due to Ronnie Hawkins concert on the 4th. Sorry about that Dave. I'm sure he will be back soon. It's just great to see Garth out there performing again........anywhere we can get him.

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JTull Fan

Subject: State Songs

I vote for TNTDODD as state song of VA.

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Dave the Phone Guy

John D. ,,,,,can you give us any details on Garth Hudson's gig in San Fransisco? (date,times,venue,group or solo)

Butch or anyone ,,,,,are there gonna be any more Barnburner dates on the east coast other than the Lakehurst,Fl. shows near the same time frame?

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John D

It's great to see Garth confirm his coming to Toronto to work with Ronnie one more time. Garth will be coming from San Francisco where we will be gigging. No word on Levon or Robbie yet.

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David Powell

Subject: remixed Elvis

In remixing the Elvis #1 hits, BMG is not adding new elements a la the DJ mix, but re-shaping & often removing what is already on the master tapes. With relative ease afforded by today's computer/digital workstations, many remastering engineers can't resist the temptation to alter what doesn't need changing. One of their most common traits is to remix everything to sound louder & brighter. Another practice is going overboard with de-noise equipment.

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rosalind

Jason Robards was in my head! I knew it was him! It was between Eli Wallach and Lee Van Cleef in The Good, The Bad and the Ugly or Jason Robards! He was too cool for dirty clothes in "Once Upon a Time in the West" Henry Fonda in the greatest death scene in the world... I coulda watched him die a thousand times...What A Great Score too!

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Peter Viney

David- I think the genesis of the Elvis project was the success of the remixed 'A Little Less Conversation' which was a big hit here this year. They do list it as a 31st 'bonus track' presumably because of the remix. As a precedent, The Beach Boys have included their modern effort with The Fat Boys on some compilations, and then was the Natalie Cole album. Anyway, let's hope that some dance producer isn't remixing The Weight at present.

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Peter Viney

Ritchie- your instant knowledge of film is incredible! My wife’s been trying to think of this film for ages – the date and the start (as described in Films on Video) sound dead right. It’s weird, I am unable to remember film titles, dates, actors or directors and am constantly shamed by people who can recall these things. For some reason, I can do it with music but not films. This is highly embarrassing as at one time I used to teach film history, but I always had to look it all up. In the 70s, as an aid to memory I used to clip out the Radio Times / TV Times reviews and listings of films as I saw them on TV, but it still didn’t stick. Good job I changed careers, really!

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Susan

Subject: Mike Scott

Mike Scott, at least during his Waterboys period, belongs in a category I call shaman singers, to which (get ready for it) Jim Morrison also belongs. I've never seen Mike Scott perform, but I imagine something of the same theatrical quality from those early songs. I've not heard his solo work at all - maybe if I can find his later cds at non-import prices. Richie, are the Waterboys remastered cds enough better than the original issue to be worth paying import prices - these seem to run about 26 dollars us.

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richie

Subject: mike scott and bits and pieces

roz. thanks for the answer. id read that robbie's movie career stalled because carny bombed. i always thought there was more to it that. brown eyed girl.so pleased you like mike scott. hes one of the unsung greats of music. his solo stuff is worth checking out not just the wonderful waterboys albums currently being given th remastering treatment in the uk. scott has dylan and van connections though im not sure about any direct link with the band. peter would that western be the ballad of cable hogue. i seem to recall jason robards either being buried in sand or tied to stakes in the desert.

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Peter Viney

The trusty “BFI (British Film Institute) Companion to the Western” has an entry on Australia and notes that Butch Cassidy and the father in Junior Bonner both desire to move to Australia to rediscover the genuine Old West. More, they quote ‘Robbery Under Arms’ (1957) which features cattle-rustling, a stage hold-up, a bank robbery and a gold-rush town. They note that Errol Flynn plays an Australian sheep farmer in ‘Montana’ though this seems quite irrelevant.

Anyway, while discussing Westerns, we’re racking our brains here for the Western (circa 1969-70) which claimed to be the first to use old and dirty clothes, which were garnered from a previous film. My wife recalls it as one where the hero gets buried up to his neck in sand, but there are a few of those. The BFI book says that 1947’s ‘Red River’ was the ‘return to realism in costume’ and that later John Wayne would have eight shirts, getting progressively older and tattier, for a film. The BFI book strangely omits ‘Shalako’ (1968) which I thought was a prominent Western, albeit with Brigitte Bardot and Sean Connery. Anyway, some of the best Westerns were made in Spain by Italians. The last ‘Is it a Western?’ argument I had was with someone who claimed that ‘Bonnie and Clyde’ was more a ‘Western-with-cars’ than a Gangster film

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David Powell

Subject: Elvis (Presley not Costello) & Jeff (not the guy with no first name) Beck

Listeners beware! The new Elvis #1 album features versions of the songs that have been remixed for a "modernized" sound. This sacrilege is the equivalent of substituting cold-pressed canola oil for butter to fry peanut butter & banana sandwiches. The album also uses some alternate takes in place of the original classic versions. The next thing you know, BMG will be overdubbing the Backstreet Boys to replace the Jordinaires! In order to stretch the number of #1 hits, I believe songs from both the U.S. & U.K. charts are included.

Jeff Beck's "Guitar Shop" is a great album. The cover is sort of a tongue-in-cheek poke at Mr. Beck. He's known for his passion for rebuilding classic cars and the joke is that he only replaces the wrench in his hand with a guitar when he gets a craving to buy some more cars. Epic released an LP version of "Guitar Shop" and that's the one to have, not only for better sound, but to truly appreciate the cover art, which is definitely suitable for framing!

The group Chicago was recently featured on A&E's "Live By Request" show. At one point all the present members were introduced and one of the newest ones is singer/bassist Jason Scheff. He mentioned that his dad was the famous bassist who played with Elvis -- both of them, the King and Costello.

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Peter Viney

Agree that Ned Kelly is a “western” rather than a “southern” because the genre is films about 19th century frontier development. The clothes are the same. You get gold miners. You get horses. You get saloons / whorehouses. You get Chinese laundries. You get native peoples. You get mountains. You get deserts. But you get more sheep than usual. The water goes down the plughole in a different direction, but you probably won’t notice this. Also, as Australia was settled initially from Botany Bay (Sydney), the outback is all to the west of Sydney (though this is stretching the point!). Anyway, when the character rides off deeper into the wild frontier at the end, he will still be riding into the sunset, which is vital. The accents are different, but as I pointed out when Jonas Fjeld sang ‘One More Shot’ it’s likely that many pioneers had an immigrant accent of one kind or another in both North America and Australia.

Empty Now – your list was spoiled by the inclusion of ‘The End’, but I can think of many Beatles songs of huge social and musical influence. Maybe this will take the rest of the week … I’ll start with ‘Strawberry Fields Forever’.

I’m sure the ’30 #1s” Elvis is British based because of the inclusion of stuff like ‘The Wonder of You’ which stands with Englebert’s ‘Release Me’ as an instant ‘switch the radio station’ song for me.

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bob wigo

Bayou Sam,

I think it was you that raised the Jeff Beck question. In my humble opinion he's the greatest rock guitarist I have ever heard and seen. His performances are always interesting. He plays with great imagination and experimentation. Have you heard his beautiful instrumental cover of "A Day in the Life" ? His "Truth" album with Rod Stewart is among my very favorite listens.

There has been lots of Stones talk, pro and con, over the past few weeks. I was blessed to see their Tower Theater ( capacity 3,200 ) show this past Sunday evening. While there may be some things they can't do I must say this...there are alot of things they can do and one of them is rocking the doors right off the building. The show was marvelous in every aspect; lights, sound, great set list and a performance that I will remember for the remainder of my days. Charlie Watts was rock solid and dead on. An absolute clinic in rock and roll drumming.

They remain in my number one slot as the best live act out there today. Simply amazing.

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rosalind

Speakin' of forgettin' your own name.. my grandma, from Bluefield, W Va. used to call me Roslyn...

Mr. Young _ That album was much older than the seventies. Those guys must have been around for a long time with different line-ups... The album also had a sweet version of "Letter Edged in Black" I could be wrong about "The Master's Hand" being on that record tho.... Thank ya Sir.

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3d ralph

Very nice Site...WOW!!! I really enjoyed it. c ya 3d Ralph http://www.rebusmedia.de/3ddesign.html

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Charlie Young

Subject: Roslyn Mountain Boys & "Carry Me Back to Old Virginny"

Rosalind: the Roslyn Mountain Boys were a local Washington, DC "country rock" band in the 1970s and they were excellent. I saw a reunion show they played a couple of years ago and they were still excellent. I believe that the steel guitar player, Tommy Hannum, became a Nashville session man. Their former keyboard guy was recently profiled in THE WASHINGTON POST because he is starting to play jazz piano gigs around DC. They were very influenced by The Band and Grateful Dead and I will have to see if I have that LP of theirs with "Carry Me Back to Old Virginny."

Speaking of that song, it used to be the state song of Virginia until someone determined that it was politically incorrect a few years ago. The irony is that the song was written by a black man and the reason it was dropped as state song was some language about "darkies." Anwyway, the state announced a contest to come up with a new state song and hundreds of songwriters entered (including sausage king Jimmy Dean) but they never came up with much more than drivel from what I heard. They actually asked Bruce Hornsby to write one but he wisely turned them down. My vote goes to the classic "Shenandoah," named after a river that flows through the state...

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Fred

I guess a Western needn't be set in the American West to be a Western. However I feel that instead of Western, the term Horse Opera should be used, that way nobody gets confused, except for those poor souls who might end up thinking "What the h... a movie with singin' horses?!?!"

And from now on all samurai movies should be called (Far) Easterns!!

Is that "new" Elvis CD different in the UK & US?

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WS Walcott

Empty Now - Lots of Beatle songs had social/political meaning. Ever listen to Revolution or Bungalow Bill?

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WS Walcott

Yeah, I know this is a music site, but I thought it would be kinda fun to throw in a few trivia questions. I did keep it to a music thread though. Don't worry, I'll eventually come up with something to stump ya with. But I think I met my match in Richie,

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Empty Now

The common memory among the widest public retained an instinctive and immutable decision, the Beatles are the greatest rock-band of all times.

Independently of the life-style of their era, I am wondering about the objective reasons of a such assumption. In my view the prolific work of the Beatles (as a band together) from 'Oh when the saints' (the real first single of the group) to the 'Ballad of John and Yoko' did not generated songs which can be considered as musically incomparable, despite of the 4 top chart in 1965. The work of the Beatles still worthy only by considering enbloc all their songs together. I don't see some monumental song which had released neither a remarkable social impact nor a real musical wonder

In that sense, does is exist only one Beatles song which defrayed the social opinion like
- Hurricane - Bob Dylan
- The night they drove old Dixie down - The Band
- Another brick in the wall - The Pink Floyd
- Paint in black - The Rolling Stones
- Get up stand up - Bob Marley
- Universal Soldier - Donovan
- The end - The Doors
and many other examples you can find

In an other chapter, Rock music often gived world stage hits produced by non careered singers, or perfectly performed worthy songs which haven't been sufficiently broadcasted and didn't shown a substancial profit for their author. This, for many reasons, essentially those induced by the show-business constraints. I'll give for example:
- The Letter - Don Fardon
- Sympathy - Rare Bird
- San Fransisco - Scott McKenzie
- Ruthless Queen - Kayak, this is an incredible beautiful song of a relatively unkown Dutch group whom, i can barely find an equivalent performance from standard singers.
- Venus - The Shocking Blue, deze is een andere gemakelijk nederlandse groep. We danced the 'Jerk' on this song
- Driver's seat - Sniff'n the Tears
I am really inclined of feeling that the Beatles didn't released a better song than one from the list above.

This post is not an unfair aggression against one band who really gave me enough pleasure. A contradictory opinion from the GBers is welcome.

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rosalind

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Ben Pike

yeah, I saw that Sam Elliot/Roger Daltry thing at the drive-in; Sam's wife, that Gal from "The Graduate" was in it too.

I saw "Electra Glide In Blue" the other night, a film where Robert Blake dreams of coming to L.A. to work for the Homicide divison!.

This quirky, sevenites existentail flick was directed by the guy who was Chicago's road mgr.(it's his only movie) and Chicago fans(not me) can spot members of the group.

The amazing thing is, it's a pretty good movie!

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Nancy

Subject: "western"

While the boys decide whether Ned Kelly is a “western” or not, you may like to know a tiny bit of info about the story, further to the fact Mick Jagger played the lead role in the 1970 film “Ned Kelly”.

The Kelly story is flavour of the moment here in Australia. There is a newish book by acclaimed author Peter Carey called “The True Story of The Kelly Gang”. It was awarded the Booker Prize for fiction in 2001. Is Carey’s story fiction or is it based on fact? The story is purported to be based on documents supposedly written by Ned Kelly whilst evading capture.

In addition to the book there is a new film (title unknown by me) with Leath Hedger (ooops Heath Ledger) in the role of Kelly. In the few promotional pictures for the film I’ve seen, Ledger actually looks less of a pretty boy and quite convincing in appearance as a wanted man.

Lastly, is “Ned Kelly”, the original movie, a western??? I thought definitely not, but I may be wrong. The article about Carey’s book definitely hints several times that the story has “western” undertones, even though the tale is about an Irish immigrant living in extreme danger in Australia in the late 1800’s. The article about the Carey book also draws a comparison between Kelly's life and premature death, and of Jesse James, which was something that occurred to me too.

Hmm reading the promo makes me want to get the book now. I’ve put up a link if anyone else wants to have a look.

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rosalind

Mr Viney's post reminded me of the night I saw Cybil Shephard on the "Letterman Show". Ms. Shephard was talkin' about how she use to date Elvis back in Memphis. The subject of Elvis' favorite foods came up and she was mentioning all the weird stuff he used to consume. Those banana and Peanut butter sandwiches fried in the entire pound of creamery butter and stuff. Letterman finally looked at her and said "Is there anything that guy wouldn't eat!" And she said "Ohhh Yeah!" It took a 30 seconds or so and Letterman started to laugh. She asked him what he was laughing at and he said "I was just thinkin'.. how the King of Rock and Roll wouldn't go dow...." it was sooo funny..it stuck in my head. Sorry....

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rosalind

Subject: A Soldier's Things..

Okay. I have been wondering if any of you wonderful folks can answer a question that has been bugging me for about ten years. I picked up an album at a auction sale in Bluefield, West Virginia many years ago. It had no cover. My dad taught me to buy that box of stuff for a buck that they always have at country auction sales. He was convinced that one day he would find something invaluable in one of those old boxes. Well, for me it paid off one sunday afternoon. I found in the bottom of one of those old boxes a record album wrapped in an old torn apart bread bag. I don't quite remember the name of the group. The Rossen Mountain Boys.. The Roslen Boys...I cannot remember! That thick old piece of vinyl had the finest version of "Wreck on the Highway" I ever heard. It also had beautiful versions of "The Master's Hand" and "Carry Me Back To Old Virginny"

" Carry me back olll' Virginny..
There's where the cotton and corn and tater's grow..
There's where the birds sing sweet in the springtime"...ahhh.

Can anyone tell me the name of that old-time country group? I would be grateful.

Richie_ Robbie was set up way back when, with an agent. He was given an office on the lot that used to be Caroll Lombard's old dressing room. The agent would bring these offers to him . Robbie was offered a supporting role behind Sylvester Stallone in F.I.S.T. He refused it. Finally that agent got fed up and just looked at him and said " I don't think you really want to be an actor" I think Robbie wanted to start at the top and be a filmmaker. Not at the bottom with bit parts. I read that in an old interview somewheres. It's probably back yonder among the interviews on this terrific site.

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Peter Viney

Many thanks for the link, John- I printed out this "young book" which clears up a lot- my vinyl is the 1969 stereo remix, I guess. This will take some reading, but as one of the best five albums of all time, it'll be worth it!

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Peter Viney

Change of mind. I saw the Elvis 30 #1s (which must be based on the UK chart) in the supermarket this morning- not that I buy CDs in supermarkets, but there was Elvis between the baked beans and the toilet paper, not looking terribly out of place. The 30 number ones include the four army period hits, all displaying Tom Parker’s total lack of taste, ‘Wooden Heart,’ ‘Surrender’, ‘Are You lonesome Tonight,’ ‘It’s Now or Never’, and then from later the deeply awful ‘The Wonder of You’ and ‘Crying in The Chapel’. I now remember why Elvis wasn’t “hip” in 1961. Other mediocrities include ‘Way Down’, and ‘She’s Not You’ which had a flipside with such awful lyrics that it qualifies for a so-bad-it’s-good inclusion, ‘Just Tell Her Jim Said Hello’. It will be an enjoyable couple of hours to compile a personal Best of Elvis CDR, and Sun material and B-sides like ‘Little Sister’ come into the equation. Being #1 in the UK is no sign of quality, and the list of great missing performances is long. ‘Just Can’t Help Believing’ for starters. And as we discussed here at length once, Old Shep, if you want kitsch with your King.

On a similar singer, Van only produced four tracks on Tom Jones’ ‘Carrying a Torch’: Carrying a Torch, Some Peace of Mind, I’m Not feeling It anymore and It Must Be You- he wrote all of them.

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John Donabie

Subject: Blonde on Blonde Primer Part 2

Second part of the well written (everything you wanted to know) piece on Blonde On Blonde

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John Donabie

Subject: Blonde on Blonde Primer

Found this an interesting site for Blonde On Blonde; which includes all the different versions released at time of printing.

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brown eyed girl

richie: :-D...My fave World Party recording is "Private Revolution" since I'm left of centre......I saw Wallinger with Mike Scott and The Waterboys across the street......one of the best gigs ever......

Dylan: "I was going at a tremendous speed...at the time of my 'Blonde On Blonde' album. (New York, 1969)

The Japanese pressings of this recording feature some slightly different mixes and extended fades on some tracks. The playing time of the UK and USA releases 71:00 minutes, which was a cut of almost two-minutes from the vinyl. "Sad Eyed Lady Of The Lowlands" lost 32-seconds. Apparently USA quickly made amends and two subsequent pressings corrected the problem. Some say that the best versions of this album are one of several special gold issues. I guess it's on these recordings where you can really hear what Dylan hears in his mind....."It's that thin, that wild mercury sound. It's metallic and bright gold, with whatever that conjures up. That's my particular sound." (New York, 1978)

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richie

Subject: all sorts

ws walcott.i think you mean the legacy with sam elliot. answer, roger daltrey. running man answers.mick fleetwood and dweezil zappa. brown eyed. karl wallinger, ex waterboy now fronting his own world party. terrific artist. my fav. album of his .bang.brown eyed girl tom jones duet with van was from a tom album which van wrote all the tracks for and produced specially for tom. many of these tracks turned up on the later van album hymns to the silence. my fav of these is tom tracks now sung by van is carrying a torch. interesting conundrum. how come robbies 's acting career never took off. it looked a real banker after tlw. thanks to all for the neil young responces. it still pisses me off to this day that i havnt heard on the beach. hopefully this situation will be rectified soon. rich.

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brown eyed girl

Started out on 45's....(You thought I was going to say....."Started out on burgundy", didn't ya?) "Hey Jude", "Whole Lotta Love" "I Can't Turn You Loose"....Moved onto 8 tracks....I hated when a song was split between channels like "Woodstock" soundtrack....favourite line from concert...."All the squares go home!".....Sly was progressive in that his band had both genders and mixed cultures as well as the women were playing instruments....Moved onto cassettes.....Earlier this month at our Cabbagetown Festival I bought a Fleetwood Mac tape at a yard sale 'cause I had to have "Seven Wonders"....Sure I could have downloaded but I liked who was selling the tape and good conversation....;-D

I worked in a couple of Record Shops....Favourite vinyl.....Joni Mitchell "Court and Spark" Nautilus Half-Speed Mastered Series, Mink Deville "Cabretta", Genya Ravan "Urban Desire" (Louuuu's on "Aye Co'Lorado"), Rough Trade Live! Special Limited Edition Direct-To-Disc Recordings (Toronto Band)....I gave away my favourite Billie Holiday record which I have regretted to this day......I've never seen this recording again.....only my jazz musician friend still has it...:-(.....He was a musical elitist....most jazz musicians are......;-D...Come on.....ya know it's true....Hence he could never understand what drew me to Marley's roots reggae.....But he at least respected why the groove and message resonated with me......Moved onto CDS....Recently purchased in NYC Willy Deville "Miracle" (produced by Mark Knopfler) so that I could hear Willy on a 1987 interview.........

richie: If you're from Wales ya must know Karl Wallinger......."Ship Of Fools" and Tom Jones with Van...."Sometimes We Cry".......

Late now....Candy Dulfer is playing a Bonnie Raitt song.......

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BWNWITennessee

I loved Fox's "Undeclared." It was funny, sweet, and true-to-life - it made you say "Oh, yeah" a lot. I was pissed when they replaced it with that stupid Andy Richter crap. I'm not that familiar with Loudon Wainwright - did he play what's-his-name's dad?

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Ned Kelly

"Their are plenty of cowboys in Australia, so I consider Ned Kelly as a western. Don't get all technical on me now."

OK, W S Walcott. It's just that when I think of a, "Western Movie", Mick Jagger NEVER comes to mind. And yes, I have seen the movie.

Now, those others you mention? I spent about 15 min. searching the net to sound good with the answers but, well, I haven't seen either movie and no one's giving up the answers so.....HEY!!! This is "THE BAND" Guestbook, for crackie sake!!! not a movie quiz show...

How's that?

Night all

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WS Walcott

What rock star choked to death on a chicken bone in the 1970s horror flick "The Prophecy"?

What rock star had a part in "The Running Man'?

What rock star's son was also in Running Man?

Tiny Monster - Their are plenty of cowboys in Australia, so I consider Ned Kelly as a western. Don't get all technical on me now.

Who played the part of Eddie Cochrane in American Hot Wax?

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Rick S.

Hope many fans can join G-Man to root on the Jim Weider Band this Friday night at The Pattenburg House, Pattenburg, N.J. The Jim Weider Band goes on first (followed by Nasty Ned). Hope to see you there.

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Bayou Sam

Subject: misc. stuff

Walcott - I always wanted to check out Jeff Beck's "Guitar Shop" album. I love the cover.

I'm also a Blazing Saddles fanatic. It's one of the funniest films ever. I actually got a 45 record on ebay from the movie. Side one is the Blazing Saddles Theme, and side two is "The French Mistake" from the movie. Mel Brooks is brilliant, and nuts - not necessarily in that order.

Don't you love tracking down a tune that you've been trying to track down for some time? I've had this Neil Young tune in my head for some time that I couldn't find the title of. I only had a snippet of the chorus in my mind from hearing it on the radio a few years back. I really liked that part. I finally found one of his CD's entitled "Sleeps (or Sleeping) with Angels" in a used CD bin. I found the song - it's called "Change Your Mind".

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David Powell

Subject: Blonde On Blonde revisited

Along with the superior sound, another thing that can only be found with the early LP pressings of "Blonde On Blonde" is a certain photograph. A photo of the lovely actress Claudia Cardinale was included on the inside, right hand section of the gatefold cover of the original LP. The photo was removed & replaced by one of Dylan in later LP pressings and all the CD versions, supposedly because of the threat of legal action over unauthorized use. The inclusion of this photo is one way to verify early pressings, along with the Columbia '360' label & stamper number.

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Ben Pike

Roz got the "Untamed" question, "Untamed" fans( love that dishwasher!) should be sure to see Mamie in "Girl's Town", with the Platters and Paul Anka. I recently caught up with a weird rockabilly flick called "Carnival Rock" out of the Coreman factory with some great unknown Rockbilly guys and the Platters too.

Some of you Band movie fans ought to do the right thing and track down a copy "Elija's Horrorscope", Richard was working with Tommy Lee Jones years before Levon.

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David Powell

Subject: Neil Young NOT on CD

In answer to Richie's question: Rumors have surfaced recently that Neil Young will be reissuing his back catalog on vinyl (on the Vapor label co-owned by Neil & his manager). Most notably awaited by Neil fans are the "missing six", which Neil refuses to release on CD because of his personal dislike of current CD technology. Those albums include: "Journey Through The Past" (1972), "Time Fades Away" (1973), "On The Beach" (1974), "American Stars & Bars" (1976), "Hawks & Doves" (1980) and "RE-ACT-OR" (1981).

Older LP copies, even sealed ones, can still be found in the vinyl bins, but the rumored Vapor releases haven't happened yet. "Needle-drop" bootleg CD copies of the missing six are much sought after. I recently acquired excellent sounding boots of "Journey Through The Past", "Time Fades Away" and "American Stars & Bars" complete with high-quality, original LP artwork. I also recently found the bootleg "Chrome Dreams" CD which was supposedly a prototype of "A.S.&B." that Neil nixed.

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Peter Viney

Lifeboy: Thanks for the info on Bobby Gillespie. I will look this out.

This week’s two major releases (at least in the UK) both have Band connections (vaguely). First is Peter Gabriel’s “Up” (for the Robertsonians) then Elvis’s “30 #1 Hits” for the Levon connection (Elvis 56). The Gabriel has been 10 years in the making, and as I didn’t make my regular Monday ‘new release check’ I’ll be onto it tomorrow. One journalist visiting RealWorld studios a couple of years ago found great excitement among Peter Gabriel’s staff – ‘Peter’s recorded TWO BARS today!’

As for the Elvis, yesterday’s review said program tracks 1-10 then skip straight to the later masterpieces (Burning Love, Suspicious Minds). Though most of the film music is dross, I have a soft spot for the early 60s hits that were being skipped by the reviewer, and my programming will definitely include ‘Return to Sender,’ ‘His Latest Flame’ ‘Good luck Charm’ and ‘Devil in Disguise’ (assuming they’re following UK number ones). I might give the army –period ballads a miss though. It’s Now or Never is best in Elvis’s live piss-take version years later. Wooden Heart (if it’s on it) is as bad as Elvis got. I already have it all remastered, but like The Beatles ‘One’ it’s an instant in-car CD and good to have in one place, though while The Beatles one follows an ascending curve, this is more of a roller-coaster. ‘Way down’ was only a hit because he ended up chewing the shag-pile carpet.

David- I lost my original first issue ‘Blonde on Blonde’ around 1971, and replaced it around 1975 with one with a much thinner card sleeve. It’s no better than the gold master one, but it backs up my view that vinyl varies. I might start looking around for earlier pressings.

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Rosalind

I get no kick from Champaaynee..Mere al-co-hol doesn't thrill me at alll...but boy did I get a kick outa seeing Alex Karas punch that horse in the mouth!

One of my favorite Neil Young songs... "Albuquerque"... Is it from "On the Beach"? Speaking of eight-track tapes the other day. I used to have " On the Beach" and "Tonight's the Night" on 8-track.

Ohhh Celine Dion!

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richie

Subject: bits + bobs

well done empty now. correct. blazing saddles the answer to your question. question to vinyl freaks. is neil young's on the beach available new on vinyl. i saw a copy of american stars and bars in the vinyl section in london's tower records a year ago. i didnt buy it . stupid me.

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David Powell

Subject: Blonde On Blonde

Correction to my earlier comments on "Blonde On Blonde": The Mastersound gold CD, as well as the newer SACD, versions are two distinctly different remixes taken from the four-track session tapes. I haven't heard the SACD version but it reportedly sounds closer to the original stereo LP than any of the previous CD versions. Next to my early '360' stereo LP pressing, the Mastersound CD sounds o.k. -- it is a relatively dry & flat transfer with not as much bottom end as the LP. The first CD versions of "B.O.B." feature not only inferior sound, but abbreviated versions of several songs as well. The songs were shortened (2 LPs on one disc) because the discs used in the early days of the CD era did not have as much storage space. I find that my early CD copy of "B.O.B." makes an excellent coaster for my beer while listening to LPs{:-}

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Bones

The Oct 4th Hawk celebration sounds great! Wish I could be there.

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sadavid

Subject: Dead thing and much thanks...

...to Messrs. Fan and Powell for responses on my Tull and Mac reminiscences.

I've had very little exposure to the Dead, but when I first heard "Ferdinand the Imposter" a couple of months ago, I thought "Grateful Dead" immediately....

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lifeboy

Subject: Death in Vegas

Peter, The song "soul auctioneer"(the Dylan VU comparison: never seen it like that but know what you mean) features Bobby Gillespie of Primal Scream on vocals, you may wanna check out their Lps Vanishing Point and Exterminator, they are not a million miles away from Contino Sessions, pretty damn good in fact.

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Empty Now

The film : Jacknife

Western 70s:
A funny western of Mel Brooks where music is omnipresent as well as Count Bazie ?
(Prizes: the first good answer wins 1 CD of Celine Dion, the 2nd wins 2 CDs, etc...)

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Peter Viney

One to watch- I don’t believe that vinyl is necessarily better. A lot of vinyl LPs are later versions, and may well be off later masters. A degree of compression always happens on vinyl that gets stronger as the record gets longer- those 30 minutes a side K-Tel vinyl collections are unlistenable – dull and very, very low volume (as well as cut). That’s why early copies of LPs are prized, and almost always American vinyl was better than European vinyl. Last week I picked up a couple of 80s or 90s vinyl rissues – both See for Miles label. The ‘Keith Richards supervised” Aranbee Orchestra, and Felix Cavaliere ‘A Rascal Alone’. These point out one of the CD versus Vinyl issues. I haven’t had the chance to sit and listen to either yet. I have CD in car, in office, it’s on every computer – but I have to make a special issue about going in, sitting down and listening to vinyl. This is one reason why it often seems a more meaningful experience.

Guilty pleasures. On Saturday, waiting in boutiques in Covent Garden while my offspring compared the merits of various designer T-shirts (each costing what I’d expect to pay for a jacket about once every two years - or even a suit, not that I own one), I became entranced by Death in Vegas’s ‘Contino Sessions’ especially as I listened through four tracks very loud with nothing to distract me. The song ‘Soul Auctioneer’ is a rip-off of early Dylan played by the VU, but nonetheless attractive to someone who likes both. So, then I wander into HMV seeking interest and it’s in the sale at £4.99. Enough said.

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richie

Subject: loudon wainright 111

loudon had a small but dramatic role in a film with robert de niro. clue,vietnam themed movie with most of the action taking place back in the states. havnt got a clue about the rockabily film. catch you all later. rich.

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rosalind

Untamed Youth is a funnier than hell camp Masterpiece! I love that movie. If you're gonna make a Bad movie this is the kind to make! Mamie and Lori railroaded onto a prison farm. Eddie Cochran only sang one song...Mamie sang four. Best line in the picture: "Don't hit me in the mouth again! You'll break my dental plate!"

Too much clue! Robbie and Busey wanted to make "The Last Days of Jesse James" Robbie doin' the music...woulda been nice.

I hope the GB doesn't get pissed off at us havin' a little fun with trivia. I'm always worried about doin' somethin' wrong.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Ned Kelly

Since when do you call a film about an Australian outlaw a "Western" ?...Come to think of it, what would you call it? A "Southern" ?...

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WS Walcott

Damn, u guys are good. I saw that movie but can't remember. I will take a guess at Jerry Lee lewis or maybe Bill Haley. Now I have to go to work, life sucks.

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Ben Pike

And who else should answer this but me? Loudon Wainwright III; who recently WAS a regular on the acclaimed but failed "Undeclared" show.

Now, what rockabilly great was in "Untamed Youth" with Mamie Van Doren?

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David Powell

Subject: this & that

Nice to read some feedback from my discussion of the attributes of vinyl. Many often ask, especially with regards to earlier CD versions, why the CD sounds different from their memory of the way the original LP sounded. Apart from the inherent differences between digital & analogue in the way sound is rendered, many CDs are inferior because they were sourced from second, third or even latter generation tapes, rather than from the original master. Often LP production copies were used where equalization and/or compression were employed to keep the needle from jumping out of the grooves in the vinyl era. These later generation tapes lack the detail contained on the original master and sound "veiled" in comparison. Both the high & low end are often clipped off and the mid-range over-emphasized.

John Donabie cited "Blonde On Blonde" as an example of an inferior sounding CD. The stereo master for this album was long thought to have been lost, like that of the "Brown Album". It was recently revealed, however, that the stereo master has been located but it's worn out from over-use. This means that all the CD versions, as well as later LP pressings, have been sourced from inferior sounding tapes. The Sony Mastersound gold CD version apparently used the best available copy that could be found. The good news is that the mono master of "Blonde On Blonde" is still in good condition and the Sundazed label is about to release a heavy vinyl LP reissue of this album sourced from that mono master. Many Dylan fans though still prefer the original stereo version because Dylan himself worked on the mix-down.

The singer/songwriter who appeared in a few episodes of MASH was Loudon Wainwright III.

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WS Walcott

Ned Kelly is correct. Got a tougher one. What singer was in a few episodes of MASH? He played a GI and sat under a tree singing songs at the opening of several episodes. He was supposed to become a regular cast member but it never worked out.

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richie

Subject: phil kaufmann and proposed robbie/ gary busey question

outlaw josey wales is the correct answer to my question. roz would the proposed rr/gb film have been about the james brothers ie jesse and frank. this would tie in with the 70's phil kaufmann picture the great northfield minnessotta raid about a bungled bank robbery by the james gang it starred cliff robertson. ws walcott. the mick jagger western has to be ned kelly.

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roz

W.S._ Connection thru a Philip Kaufman's 70's picture.

GB suggestion _ From now on the Levonistas and Robertsonians should be known as the "At'sin-ovels" and "Na'inos-tre'bors" If we start laughin' at this stupid fued maybe they'll start laughin' too!

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Jamie

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WS Walcott

Here's an easy one. What western did Mick Jagger star in? By the way, I saw Monsters Ball. I was impressed with Sean Coombs performance. A small role, but a pivotal one.

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WS Walcott

Roz - in which previous question can this clue be found?

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biffalo bull

glad to see you met glen silverthorn, he is the one who wrote the article, last week in the brantford expositor, sept 19, 2002, featuring a recent club experience in port dover. talked to him myself at this summer's london(ont.) bluesfest, just before garth took the stage. the brantford paper website is www.theexpositor.com. the article is on page c4, under SHOWCASE, and i think it would be a good idea to have it featured and shared on this website. ta ta

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rosalind

W. S. Walcott aka Quick Draww McGraww stole my answer while I was sleepin'! I got a question with two barrels. Both ends my friends. In 1988, Robbie and Gary Busey were dreaming about making what western that obviously had to be abandoned after Busey's motorcycle accident? (Clue is in previous question.)

Levon is a born character actor.

I used to own two Jeff Beck albums. The two mentioned are the ones. I owned them mostly because friends kept asking for Beck at parties and it was always me who supplied the music.

Sorry if I spoke out of turn about the conversation on "Dark Star" The title of the song made me think of the movie and I just mentioned it without thinking..

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John Cass

Subject: The Blues

What a week of music I had... Tuesday night Levon and the fellas in Kingston NY...great as everyone knows...

then Saturday night I saw Guy Davis for the first time ever at a small hall in Woodstock VT... Guy Davis acoustic blues, storytelling, great with the audience... that man is great too!!! I ended up buying 3 of his CD's (the one with Levon of course) Gary Burke of the Crowmatix plays drums on 2 of them also.. so much great music out there... each and everytime I go see a show I am amazed at how much talent there is out there and how lucky I am to get to see as much of it as I can...Support live music there is nothing better!! (well ok maybe a few things... but not much!)

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Dennis Leonard

Great website, thanks for having it, that's all.

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WS Walcott

Richie - I will take a guess at Clint Eastwood "Outlaw Josie Wales"

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Brien Sz

Subject: Novel, Beck

I am surprised Novel/Levon never pursued an acting career - He'd have made a fine character/supporting actor. And isn't that the real slice right there? Those faces that are in every picture going whether it be TV or film, those are the folks that have nice good paying, steady incomes. I always thought Levon could have fit in on that tier somewhere.

As for Becks, You Had it Coming, not a bad cd, it's still a bit technoish but it has some good jams for the style he's adapted to in the last 20 years. And to me it's Blow by Blow that's 1 and Wired that's 2.

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richie

Subject: odds and sods

my pitch for levon's finest movie hour would have to be the right stuff. not only is it a faboulous film, but what a cast. come to think of it, its probably sam shepards best film too. the chemistry between shepard and levon in the role of shepards sidekick ridley is note perfect. its director phillip kaufmann would go on to make several more gems such as unbearable lightness of being and henry and june. question. which classic 70's western was he slated do direct only to find himself sacked with the lead actor taking over the helm(oops, terrible band pun, not intended ,honest)off to work now. cheers roz and all on the gb. richie.

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WS Walcott

Bayou Sam = I always liked Jeff Beck. I think "Wired" is his best. Blow By Blow is excelent too. Both produced by George Martin, BTW. I was never a big Page/Zeppelin fan. Guitar Shop is another fine album. His 2 most recent albums, You Had It Coming, and Who Else? I have not heard. I always liked his style. But I find lately he is a little too techno for me. The Jeff Beck Group-Rough and Ready is good as well. But I hear that Beck is difficult to work with, ala Frank Zappa. He doesn't seem to work with the same people very much. I read an interview with him once back in the 1980s when he said the reason he hadn't made an album in awhile was because there were no good drummers. Well, he found a good for his next LP, Terry Bozio. I can't remember the name of the album, but it wasn't one of Beck's better ones.

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Manny

Subject: The Last Waltz on DVD

I haven't previously been on here so I'm not sure if anyone else has posted a review on this or not. However, being a serious audiophile myself, I wanted to let everyone here know to GO GET THIS DVD!!!! What a great show. The sound quality is excellent. I know. I have 7 cabinets, 25 drivers and 800 watts on my main home system. All the cabinets are custom built. So, if you don't have this in your collection already, don't wait another minute. Head for the store now.

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Bayou Sam

I tried spelling the other guys names backward - nothing.

Robertson backwards though is NOSTREBOR - sounds like a character from a sci-fi flick.

Reminds me of a TV movie Ringo did in the 70's? where one of his characters was his name backwards - Ognir Rrats.

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Jenny T

BWNWIT: How good to see Los Lobos live. I have never seen them but I am really enjoying Good Morning Aztlan. I love their rhythm section, esp. the bass. One cut reminds me a little of SRV, one of Robert Cray, and one is a little Little-Feat-ish but they have a style all their own of course. They have been together so long--since 1977 according to the DVD that comes with it. I like to call them my homeboys even though I am from Northeast LA rather than East LA.

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HI

There's a very fine Mississippi(mp3) from last month's tour posted today for download at WWW.BOBDYLAN.DE

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John Donabie

Sorry to post this openely Bill Munson; but I no longer have your e-mail. Talked to Jon today and as you know he will be performing with the northernblues on Oct 20. Congratulations on your liner notes and look forward to he and Michael and Peter and Larry getting back together to do both Checkmates and Rhinocerous material the weekend of the 27th.

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Dark Star

Not to drag this out ad nauseum (but I will) try the link above, download 0209darkstar-dew and call me in the morning. After decades of research I have come to the conclusion that this is not only the definitive Dark Star but proves Jerry Garcia the greatest guitarist af all time.

No you have to listen to the whole thing with patience and a clear head. I've been clean and sober for 18 years now and can almost walk a straight line (at least on a good day) so give it a chance. Note also Bill's drumming (this was the stripped down single drummer days).

"NOVEL" idea indeed......

Jury is still out on Garths version of this classic Dead tune but from the snipit on this site...I...I'm...need, perhaps to hear the whole thing......

Really...listen to the whole thing when you have 42:21 to relax and be transported by a group of extrordinary musicians at their absolute best...I know Butch will give it a go...

I now return you to your regularly scheduled GB

...Oh, yes,"I've Been Through The Desert On A Camel With No Name", it felt good to be out of the rain...

OK,OK,...I'll go...

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rosalind

Mr Godfrey - Whatdaya mean.."camel named roz" ? (grin)

She's a railroad lady..just a little bit shady..
spendin' her days on the train..
She's a semi-good-looker but the fast rails they took her..."

Levon spelt back'ards says N-o-v-e-l Hey, that boy oughta write a book! He also is a real good actor ..Didn't he do that great cameo as a bible salesman? And "The Dollmaker" with Hanoi Jane... terrific.

Dark Star was also a hippie astronaut space movie with a living pain-in-the-ass beachball in the lead role. I watched that movie stoned once and they almost had to call an ambulance..

Jamie Green - Yeah Boy! Great movie ! Did you know that "Stranger than Paradise" took that big old Cannes award in 1980? The thing cost about 40 bucks to make? Makes ya think....

Jim Jarmusch is also a pretty good actor. Remember that "Frosty Creme" waiter in "Slingblade"

Carl: "sa' wha'choo lik ta ete here"

Frosty Creme guy: "Well the french fries are alright"

Carl: "Yu mean french fried pataters?"

Frosty Creme guy: "Yeah....french fries"....

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Bayou Sam

Man, this Hawk Tribute sounds like quite a gig. I don't want to start a thread on this, but if ever there was a time and place for levon and Robbie to make things right in thier lifetime, this is it.

Witt - good to see you. Nice tribute to the cassette. i repaired many tapes in my day with scotch tape. You had to sort of ignore the moment when that little part passed over the play head. How about the horrible 8-track? Did you ever look inside one of those things? Yikes!

I went to the Wiz store yesterday that closed forever today. I picked up a nice little Yarbirds box set - 2 cd's and a booklet. It was thirty percent off. Nice compilation.........Any Jeff Beck fans in here? I always like him better than Page, but second to EC.

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BWNWITennessee

Now on to a REAL live band, saw Los Lobos in Lou'ville, KY last night, they closed with a jam with Sam Bush, Jerry Douglas and Byron House on Sittin' On Top Of The World and Bertha.

I think that Levon is a very talented actor, as well, much better than Robbie. It could have been another venue for some financial security that for some reason was never really followed.

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paul godfrey

Subject: Monster

Monster.....

Spell Levon's name backwards!

shineonpaulg

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paul godfrey

Subject: Camel named....

Roz

Camel named CLYDE!

shineonpaulg

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Mike D.

Watched this for the first time in ages yesterday on Superstation TBS. Did anyone else catch this yesterday? I'm suprised that Levon didn't pursue acting more. He seemed to do quite wll in the movie.

Mike

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grace

Subject: psykhadel

my boyfriend has just made a new band up called psykhadel and we r trying to find an agent so if u could email me it would be great there are 4 members in the band and they r aged between 15-16 if u go to www.wheresthegig.com u can access our website by putting in psykhadel and then putting in name:grace and password:grace513 plz plz have a look at the bands site.thank you

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Jamie Green

Subject: Vinals, Cowbells, Handclaps & Films

Believe it or not, I actually grew up on vinals as well. When I was 11, I got a CD player for Christmas & the damn thing skipped every CD I tried to play. Then I started listening to my parents' record collection & fell in love. When I play a record like Abbey Road, Let it Bleed, or The Band on vinal, I feel as though I'm listening to it in 1969, not 2002.

Great cowbell...."Honky Tonk Women" (especially when my drummer Mike plays it). How bout great handclaps? Beach Boy's "I Get Around," Mavis Staples in TLW on "The Weight."

And I thought I was the only person in the world to have seen Stranger Than Paradise.

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John Donabie

Subject: The Hawk

I found the info.

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roz

Thanks Y'all

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rosalind

Empty Now - huhmm ....Name That Camel Clyde Son!

I have somethin' to add to the GB too this fine sunday mornin'. Last night, it was a' raining dogs and cats...They come in off the streets, out o' the alleyways to sit down, git down and dry off. Had about 50 people in here. Hicks with Sticks. I put on "Jubilation" and lo and behold there came such a goin's on ya never did see! Toe-tappings, singin' and a swingin' and a swappin'! "

He said.. I known high times (I known high times) more than once (More than once)

Nowww I stick strictly too the honky tonks...

..And I known danger...and I known defeat..I seen whole generations fall to sleep

..I've talked with angels...I drank my fill...I talked with God out on the Hilll

And I know my face...and I live ma' name but I go by Charlie Hawker all the same...."

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John D

Brown Eyed Girl......you sure know a lot more information than I do. Didn't even know that tickets were on sale and how do you know whose performing? Is there someone I can go to check this out this info? Thank you. I don't have your e-mail I'm sorry.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Islands in the Sahara

Empty Now: What an irony to be listening to an album titled 'Islands' in the middle of a vast desert!

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Empty Now

Early morning, I've just been in a small tour in Sahara on a camel with no name. Que calor señor! muy mucho calor. I brought some cassettes in my basket. What a trip! Someone can object that The Band have no merit i listened them out of context in an area 'where clothes, ground, water and scorpios have the same color'. However, someone who never listened to the album 'ISLANDS' in such conditions cannot really realize how The Band are great!
It was just an unexpected opportunity, I'm not suggesting you must live this experience whatever is the price to be paid.

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search engine submission

Nice site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Nick

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Dave Z

Thanks Brown Eyed Girl!!!... and pleeease give us all the details on the Oct 4 show... as you see them... I'm sooo envious... the BBs have made me return to the blues again too...

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Caledonia

It was great to see The Stones as a recent topic of conversation on the GB. Someone asked about Charlie Watts' solo jazz CD's. They're good, but the CD you might like the best is Charlie's last solo outing (Charlie Watts / Jim Keltner Project). It's a "techno/world" (!) CD and is probably of interest to anyone who wants to study Charlie's drum style/technique.

Someone also mentioned that they wish we had a recorded history of The Hawks so that we could listen to them devolop musically (they way we're able to hear The Stones develop during their first few albums). I agree, but really wish we had been able to listen to them develop over the course of 40 years the way we're able to with The Stones. Can you imagine what a tight, rocking group The Band would be now!

It's interesting to note that The Stones, from early on, fell into a rhythm of recording and touring (generally every three years) that The Band never developed. Based on LH's book (and other accounts) it seems that The Band were constantly starting and stopping and never developed a rhythm that worked for them. The Stones' recording/touring cycle allowed them to spend time at home with their wives/girlfriends and children.

It's also interesting to note that The Stones never lived together (except for the brief time when Mick, Keith and Brian shared a flat at Edith Grove). In fact, they often lived in different countries and generally did not see each other when they were not recording or touring. The Band did live together, often sharing houses or living in very close proximity to each other. I realize this may have been due to their close friendships (or possibly for financial reasons?) but perhaps it did not serve them well in the long run. What do you think?

Linda Thompson (w/Teddy) will be performing at The Bottom Line in NYC (15 W.4th Street/Mercer) on Saturday, October 26 (212.502.3471 or bottomlinecabaret.com). I wonder if GH will be there too?

There was a recent discussion regarding the origins of Levon's name. I had a hard time finding Levon (or Lavon) in any book. The only mention of it I could find said it was American, rare and unusual and that its origins are generally unknown. Did anyone else have better luck? By the way, Robbie (Robert) translates as "bright fame" or "famous brilliance". Jaime is a derivative of James and/or Jacob. Richard/Rick is "strong/powerful ruler". Garth, appropriately, is "gardener".

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brown eyed girl

Subject: The Hawk! / Levon! / Barn Burners! / Healey! / Bell!

Yeah! I've got tickets for the Hawk Tribute at Massey Hall on October 4!!!!! I'm especially looking forward to seeing Garth and Tragically Hip perform once again......Canadian energy at it's finest!.....Come on Robbie!......Since you'll be in town anyway.....blow our minds and perform too!! Come on Robbie!!

I had an absolutely amazing time at Jeff Healey's Club on Thursday night!!!!!.....I was really moved by seeing Levon again (third time)......He's all about energy, energy, energy, energy, focus, skill, collaboration and enjoyment......I've always appreciated him as a musician but this night......wow!.....A couple of songs that stand out in particular were "Walk The Walk" and "Grass Is Always Greener".....It was this song in particular that Levon seemed to really enjoy playing with the boyzzzz.....'cause he'd get up and give all of them a high five with his signature smile......:-DDDD......Anyway, he was wearing the same black and white shirt that he wore on the Bluezzzz Cruise in NYC.....So......I felt right at home.....lol........Whew! The Club was so steamy, sweaty, and hot, hot, hot!......Levon rocked all night long....unbelievable! I can't wait to see him perform again!

Pat O'Shea.....Pat O'Shea!......You not only looked mighty fine in your suit and black buckled shoes....Hee hee....(I know.....I look for the shoes.......I guess I can blame that on "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" plus I was trained to be observant...but that's another story)..........but anyway......You played even better than the last time I saw ya......So good! So good! I could tell you've been on the road a lot....You seemed more at ease at this gig.........He also just smiled all night long as he played his heart out.....:-D......You had a good teacher.....didn't ya? Thank you Pat....Your guitar is really becoming a part of you!

Chris O'Leary......I'm a Sagittarian....so you should know I'm pretty honest and quite straight forward.....I didn't really appreciate your singing at The Silver Dollar....but this time........You were untouchable.....charming.....and gave every song everything you had to give! Your performance was authentic Chris! Thank You!!....I liked also how you always brought it all back to your boss.....It's so cool to see how humble Levon is while playing.....He doesn't star trip at all......He just puts on an amazing show and supports each musician he plays with and expects the same from the other musicians.......

Richard Bell....Well....I bumped into him in the audience not knowing it was him at first and he wouldn't let me get by to take some photos.....so I barged my way through anyway.....;-D.....But when Richard got on stage to perform with Levon, The Barn Burners and Jeff Healey.......Buddy Cage is right! Richard is one of the best piano players around! His hands were part of the piano....His hands just flew across the keys.....He was in tune with all the musical nuances.......He makes it look soooooo easy......and there he was with a toothpick? in his mouth looking cool and glancing over at Levon and grinning and having the time of his life and perhaps remembering...........;-D and raising his right leg half way up at times and once.....he raised his left leg straight out......He plays with all of his body......Oh yeah.....What a treat to watch him again!!!!!.....First time was at The Rick Danko Celebration and I specifically remembered him playing "Chest Fever" and the boyzzzz in the audience were letting loose their testosterone.......

Jeff Healey......You looked even younger than when I used to see you on T.V......and there you were.....blowing everyone away......total abandonment! Pat was glued to your guitar playing and Levon would get up and tap his drumsticks in honour of you!!!!!!

Thanks to all the musicians for a night I will always remember......Damn!....I think my rock/roots reggae heart is becoming a rock/roots reggae/bluezzzz heart!

Hmmmmm.....We were in a basement afterall.....and I somehow didn't notice the biggest Boomtown Rat in the audience.....If I would have seen Bob Geldolf....I would have asked if he had an extra copy of "Live Aid '85" to send to me........

Btw....This night I did meet Glen Silverthorn who played with Rick Danko in 1961 at Port Dover Summer Gardens.....A sweet and friendly man who looked like he was feeling good all night long.....He showed me some photos of Rick and himself......He was going to give them to Levon....I'll share my photos too......

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Dark Star......Garth Hudson

Well, hang me for a toad as Jerry used to say. It was right in front of my face all the time.......Uh, so, as Emily Latila used to say "Oh, really?....Never mind."

I guess I have to go buy the CD now. Or is it out on vinyl?

Peace-o-Rama

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Tiny Monster

Subject: "Dark Star"..........

Charlie, as the saying goes "If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you."

Dark Star, is, that it is......

And that's all that it is.......

Now for my quandary, why was (is) Garth reciting the lyrics to Dark Star, has he done the song on one of his releases? If so I've got to hear it. It seems to me the perfect vehicle for Garth.

I happened to fall asleep early one night a couple of weeks ago while doing some work at my folks house. I was awakened by a sound coming from the TV I had left on. This gorgeous tune coming from the set and I look up and see Garth dancing with his accordion. It brought an immediate smile to my face. Truely one of a kind.

Great weekend all

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mikey Lenahan

Subject: JWB

That right Ruby......lets all support The hardest working bands in the area today...Jim Weider Band...Prof.Louie and the Crowmatix and Levon and The Barnburners. Each and every member of the above bands give more then 100% to there fans. They are the Best of the Best. Peace. Hope to see you Ruby at the Pattenburg on the 27th. If you see Crabgrass let him know he should also attend.

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G-Man

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Nick

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Charlie Young

Subject: Garth's "Dark Star" and Manuel Tune in Need of Words

This week I went to a book discussion and signing by Dennis McNally, author of that massive new hardback book about the Grateful Dead. Someone actually asked him which Dead song was his favorite and he said "Dark Star." So I'm listening to Garth Hudson reciting the words and wondering what the hell it means.

Anyway, I'm working this weekend but mention of movie watching and tape-making gave me an idea for some of the talented folks here: why not write some lyrics to that third track on the new live Richard Manuel CD from Japan. As Peter Viney said in his review here, the track titled "Jazz" invites someone to write some words--"it's a pity this piece never got worked up with lyrics." If RR isn't willing, maybe some of the gifted lyric writers here might give it a shot.

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Mike Carrico

Me and my mate were cruisin' in the car we had Stage Fright on the box. Her youngest sibling, all of fifteen years, was in residence in the back seat. She became intrigued by the sounds and began to pepper us with questions about the band. Somehow we managed to avoid the whole "who's on first?" pitfall and found ourselves instead at home plate, with her asking me to record a Band tape for her. A perfect project for this rainy day, and for the humble cassette.

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ro

I meant to say; Fellini it is! hey it's saturday...idn't it?

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rosalind

Subject: Miles and miles of highway..

Diamond Lil - Those pops and snaps in our vinyl represent the dreams and fantasies of our youth. Where we were and how far we've come....and what a long strange trip it's been huh...God old hippies are pathetic!

\ Empty Now - Damn what a Tag! Sounds like me when hittin' the bottom of a bottle of Maker's Mark... I seen those films you mentioned. High Fidelity was great but Jarmusch did a terrible job on that Crazy Horse one. I expected a beauty, but in my humble opinion, it wasn't not up to Mystery Train / Down By Law / Stranger Than Paradise standards at all. I was disappointed.. And he know how to use good music...I didn't understand what went wrong. Can anyone explain what went wrong with that picture?

Richie - La Strada it is! Band connection ..." Come on without...Come on within...You'll not see nothin' like the Mighy Quinn"

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Diamond Lil

Roz pointed out something about that great feeling one got when buying a new vinyl album.. and I remember that feeling. For some reason, it always felt more exhilarating to come home with a brand new album than it ever does to purchase a new cassette or cd. I'm not sure why. Or maybe it's just me...but I _like_ my vinyl. Some of those scratches that may be quite annoying to someone else are like an old, familiar friend to me.. whose very presence, flaws and all..means alot.

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

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Ruby

Another thougt If you have not heard them you could show your support by purchasing their cd s Think of this a second Allman Bros. fans go to see Goverment Mule and Dicky betts band and so on Greatful Dead people still go to see Ratdog and Phil lesh Band people should be at JWB shows as well as Levon and The Barnburners and The Crowmatics It keeps the Band family united and the spirit alive thanks

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Ruby

Goodmorning people Just want to say if any of you here have seen or heard the Jim Weider band please put a post in for them. There is a new space on the Allman Brothers site www.hittintheweb.com called the gig room The first featured artist they have is the JWB!!! Great interview and will certainly reach alot of people So please go there and show some support for this kicker band and sweet bunch of guys! Thank you peace to all Ruby

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Adam Daniels (Winter Sun)

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richie

Subject: trivia

ros. believe it or not, scarecrow was one of my hunches.great movie. havnt seen it for donkeys years. one of those classic sleeper movies. fellini directed la strada,im almost certain,again ,its years since iv seen it. kris kristofferson said in an interview once that la strada was a major influence on his early music. iv got friends coming around any second. ill set you question after theyv gone. have a good weekend ros and all on the gb richie.

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Empty Now

Roz : Super post

I would suggest two relatively recent movies to watch imperatively :

High Fidelity - Dir: Stephen Frears - A saga of good music and vinyl planet
The year of the horse - Dir: Jim Jarmush - The realm of Neil Young and the Crazy Horse

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roz

Subject: Music, Movies and stuff

Richie _ Scarecrow. Al Pacino and Gene Hackman. They were sitting in this bar and Eileen Brennan was playin' this barfly that got underneath Max's skin and Lionel made that dumb joke to get his attention away from punchin' her. I win! Herbert Ross directed "Play it Again Sam." He also directed "Good-by Mr Chips", "Steel Magnolias" and "Pennies From Heaven". I hope the GB don't get pissed off at this little six thousand mile game of trivia. ( if anyone thinks it's out of character. Speak up) Richie and I are movie buffs. From now till 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 5. mine will have Band Connections. Richie, This is easy, Who directed "La Strada"?

Tiny Monster _ You Angel You. You hunted that song down and linked it up just for me..thanks. That's the one! Mr Viney was right. That's the album. Now I'm really confused....

I will speak up in defense of cassette tapes. The Maxell metal ones. Even Gid Tanner and the Skilletlickers sound good on them.

There's this place in Lansing, Michigan where I buy all my Cd's. They sell really obscure stuff. 10 to 15 bucks a piece. "www.elderly.com" They also sell really great new or used and vintage instruments, also every accessories one will ever need. I bought a beautiful little "Tacoma" Mandolin, sight unseen. Good prices and excellent quality. They even sell African Thumb Pianos. Bought my mama a new autoharp for her birthday a few weeks ago.

Did everyone check out Brien Sz link? Those two photograhs under his link are gorgeous... Do you sell those Brien?

Ahhh...comfort noise. I got tapes of freight trains runnin' across old wooden tracks to put me to sleep. That's my comfort noise.....

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richie

Subject: trivia

on second thoughts ros , i dont think its play it again sam, although im sure that woody allen played a character called max in a film with tony roberts. wasnt max the name tony roberts called woody in annie hall even though woody's character was actually named albie singer. im in knots here, put me out of my misery.

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Al Edge

I had me tonsils and analogs out when I was a kid. :-o)

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Long Distance Operator

Wittgenstein, I loved your ode to the humble cassette. BWNWITenn's last post cracked me up, too. Y'all are too funny!

Also, I had no idea that was Duane's dobro on "Loser". Gives me a whole new appreciation for the tune Gleaning this type of info is why I love coming here. I haven't said it in awhile, but this guestbook rocks! Take a bow, everybody!

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richie

Subject: vinyls and movies

lil. thanks for your response. one can get quite misty eyed thinking about the various charms and irritations of the dear old vinyl format. rosalind. a really tough opener but i think iv got it. was it 'play it again sam'. lionel's character was played by tony roberts and max by woody allen. question for you my dear. who directed this film. clue. it wasnt woody.

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David P. Downey

Subject: United Bands of America

Rock on! and check out our website!

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Jack Moriarty

Subject: At last, I've found this webpage!

I understand there are only three of the original members of The Band still with us. I miss the music they made together. The Band was always original. They never seemed to write or perform in order to get on AM top-40 lists. It was fun, sometimes profound music. Are any of them still performing these days, and where? (submitted September, 2002)

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Caledonia

Roz: I'm glad you liked the Tom Waits quotes I posted last week. He always has unique and interesting thoughts and ideas, so I thought I would pass some of them along.

I was surprised to find all three of LH's solo CD's in my local Tower Records yesterday. They're Japanese imports ($24.99). Maybe soon they'll start stocking RM's CD Whispering Pines?

Have you heard Little Steven's syndicated radio show (Underground Garage)? There's a short article about it in the current issue of Rolling Stone. Two weeks ago Little Steven played a promo by his friend ... RR! ("Hi, this is Robbie Robertson and you're listening to Little Steven's Underground Garage"). It's a fun show w/lots of lost gems.

I've been listening to StageFright alot these past few weeks. Especially Daniel and the Sacred Harp and The Rumor. I love RM on these two songs (in addition to every other song he ever recorded). Well, it's been said before ... what a beautiful voice!

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Fred

When I used to buy vinyl, I would immediately tape the LP, listen primarily to the cassette and breakout the vinyl only on special occassions.

Alas, I no longer have my LPs (gave them away before I moved to Japan almost 15 years ago). At least my mom didn't make me through them away like she did with my 1970s baseball and hockey card collection prior to moving to Europe in 1976!!! I'm still trying to recover from the shock of having lost out on a substantial (small) fortune. Some of the cards I had...I'm starting to get teary eyed.

My mom hasn't thrown away anything since then, so when I visit home I've got magazines from that period still lying about in my "old" room.

ME: "Mom, why don't you throw this junk out"

MY MOM: "Oh, it might have some value, you never know."

ME: (mutterring under my breath) "NOW you say this"

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G-Man

Well,,little late on this post but wound up stayin in Kingston for a few days,,,and missed the Boss in Tonto!!! Mariner's Harbor was all class,,Mr. Dener fit right in!! Butch,,,big thank's, Bro, for the good time!!! Big John Cass, Mike Cauley & the Wildest Limo Driver on record; Frankie A. and Capt Jack, RICO S. & WILD MAN GEORGE joined us for the show! The Levon Helm Blues Band was cookin!! Just about warmed up and the Sheriff hit the stage!! Well,,,them boys looked like they got a case of Buckwheats,,till he deputized em,,HONEST!!! End of speech & back to playin the BLUES!! Levon,,Chris,,Pat and Tony looked like Billy the Kid and the Regulators,,along with Jimmy Weider and El Sid McGuinnes, lookin like Jesse and Frank James!! Levon drumin and the GREAT Tony Garnier on standup bass were a site to see and hear!! Chris,,,well had that look of a gunslinger and backed it up with his SUPER vocals!!! GUITARS,,,Butch ya not a guitar fan,,heh,,,Pat,, Jim and El Sid!! Man,,,it doesn't get any better than that!!! Two hours of some great, great home cooked blues!!!! Dave Z,,,,,where were ya????

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BWNWITennessee

Subject: Oooh!

I've finished reading the rest of the internet (I always come here first, then go check out other sites, which is why I often have to come back and post more info here) and found this zinger in an interview with Dickey Betts, talking about former bandmate Gregg Allman. This just completely blows away anything that Levon might have ever had to say about Robbie, and is about as low as low can be. Here goes, the putdown to end all putdowns - "Man, Gregg reminds me of Anna Nicole Smith." Ouch!

Furthermore, the Allman Brothers site, hittintheweb, has a new section called Gig House dedicated to undiscovered artists. Their first feature is on Jim Weider. There is a short interview with him on the site, linked above. They also said they're looking for people who want to contribute info, pictures, etc.

There was another article I saw talking about new technologies that might phase out CDs, like DVD audio and super CDs, saying they sound so much better. It's funny (well, not really), when CDs came out, they were telling us how incredible they were. Now, the same people are starting to say, "CDs suck, buy this new stuff, IT sounds incredible! And it's only twice as much money!" But maybe the future lies in a non-tangible wireless format, like downloads. I do think that in twenty years, most electronic components will all be wired together in one digital-based system. Our TV, movies, stereo, telephone, lights, ovens, palm pilots, cars, etc., will all be linked, and will basically be one component. Think about how damn hard it already is to hook up your DVD player, TV, stereo and satellite dish together. Soon it will all be integrated. But maybe our kids' kids (or YOUR kids' kids) will be looking at them incredulously when they describe CDs, and actually having music contained on a physical item. They'll say, "How did you listen to your music in the car, or on an airplane," and Jr. will say, "We had to actually take the CD with us, and put it in the car stereo, or take a discman to listen to it. We didn't have our wallet-sized personal database access modules back then." Then the obnoxious Grandbabies will be like, "No way!!! You old fart!!"

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Ann Lossman

Can anyone tell me how I can get a password for the Internet Ticket Presale?

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Ray Pence

Regarding sampling of the Band: Big Audio Dynamite, whose leader was Mick Jones of the Clash, sampled "Shoot Out in Chinatown" back in the late 80s, early 90s. A friend had the CD and I was pleasantly startled to hear that unmistakable "Fu Manchu" guitar. I can't recall the title, year, anything else.

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BWNWITennessee

Dr. John talks about the ZuZu Man album in his book "Under The Hoodoo Moon;" which, by the way, is one of the best rock autobiographies ever, and a highly recommended read for anyone interested in '70s rock and some juicy dirt. But here is what he says: "Soon after that, another group of operators, whose identities I haven't yet uncovered, hired a band to lay down overdubs on yet another collection of jingle and jam session tapes I had recorded in the early and mid-sixties. This album, called ZuZu Man, hit the market on the Trip record label soon after Charlie and Brian's stuff. A singer who was supposed to be me was dubbed over this stuff; I don't know who the guy is, but he ain't a very good imitation."

Man, nothing beats an original Edison cylinder!

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Wittgenstein

Subject: Cassettes

I would like to defend the humble cassette. Indeed the very humbleness of the cassette is what I find so appealing, so small, so delicate, so unassuming, and yet, music lives therein. I have a Muddy Waters cassette and I enjoy it immensely. I play it all the time in the car. It cost me all of four dollars. I don't have to go out and spend big money on a cd player for the car. I can use that money instead to take my wife out to fine restaurants and order European wine. And everytime I buy a cassette instead of a cd I'm saving about eight dollars. Lot's more fine dining. When I don't like a cassette that I've purchased, I don't feel bad that I've wasted lots of money. I simply take the cassette out of the player and place it under the front wheel of my car and then back over it. Immense satisfaction. If the cassette has a song that I don't like, I simply press a button and something from the other side comes on. Cassettes fit nicely into pockets or rolled up sleeves of a T-shirt. Very cool.

Cassettes are analog and thus sound very warm although they do hiss a little, a small price to pay for all those fancy dinners with which my wife and I indulge ourselves . Cassettes say "I'm no sucker for the latest tech advancement." Cassettes are very hip. I have an Allen Ginsberg cassette. I can't imagine owning an Allen Ginsberg cd. That would be ludicrous! And there's nothing like driving down the highway with your fourteen-year-old son, flipping open the glove compartment, pulling out a "Best of Mott The Hoople" cassette, popping it into the cassette player with a little flare, cranking the volume up for "All The Way From Memphis, and watching the smile that comes over his face as two vastly different eras of musical taste come together. You can listen to trash on cassette. The cd does not encourage insane purchases. You can find me down at the Walmart scouting the $2.99 cassette display. I can indulge my whims,doo-wop, Willie Nelson, Sam Cooke, Fart and the Smells, whatever. I've got Derek and Clive on cassette and, bloody hell, it doesn't get much better than that!

Sure, they breakdown occasionally, but so what. If you're so inclined you can always repair a cassette by unscrewing the damn thing and Scotch taping the tear. If it's glued together, a few handy taps with a chisel oughta separate the two halves. This can easily be accomplished over a weekend. And as for the liner notes.....you don't read 'em because you can't. They're too small. So you save time for doing other things, like repairing broken cassettes Hail the humble cassette!

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Don Pugatch

Subject: Vinyl and New Music

On the vinyl conversation, my problem is I have no turntable. My Garrard broke and too cheap to buy a new Turntable, or better still, cannot burn Vinyl, but can do wonders with CD's

New CD, maybe album, by The Chieftans, The Nashville Sessions, with so many fantastic guests, the likes of John Hiatt, Buddy and Julie Miller, Patty Griffen to name a few. There is a video on the net floating around, or you can go to Hiatt's website, there is a link on his fan forum.

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Peter Viney

The "gold" 'Blonde on Blonde' CD from Sony, like the "gold" 'Bridge Over Troubled Waters' is a great improvement on the muddy CD originals. Some early CDs were indeed done badly. Remasters are often worth it, though I don't like some of the Van remasters which just sound like treble and bass has been boosted with little regard to balance, tone or overall effect. I see no one has defended the humble cassette (and i'm not going to). At least CDs have the right shape for artwork. Cover art has changed as a result of the CD. There'll never be another 'Catch-A-Fire' or 'Link Wray' (1971).

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Zeppe

Forget CDs and vinyl. I got 8-tracks if anyone's interested. $50 a piece or best offer. Hey, where else are you going to find these treasures?

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Tiny Monster

Subject: Did She Mention My Name

Rosalind, check the link above, see what you think. It doesn't sound like Dr.John to me. Perhaps it was a guest artist singing? You can listen to the whole song.

It never ceases to amaze me what you can find with this contraption.

By the way there was a rather feeble attempt to put record players in cars back in the 60s (for 45s of course) but, well, let's just say it is a miniscule speck in the course of history.

Cio Bambinos

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Empty Now

Can anyone clarify which is called the 'comfort noise' ? technical, physiological aspects.

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bassmanlee

Dave Z, the real reason old hippies like vinyl is that it's really hard to clean your stash on those tiny little plastic boxes! (You can use them to scrape up the dust, though.) But seriously, I've seen several young record collectors avidly scouring flea markets and tag sales for LPs. Maybe prices will rise, and I'll be sorry about all the ones I gave away when I replaced them with CDs. But there are still many cherished LPs that will never be released in whole (or even in part) on CD.

One of the reasons some early CDs did not sound 'right' is that LP masters had to be horribly EQ'd (the RIAA curve) to allow reproduction by phono cartridges that are by nature far from linear in frequency response. Recent re-masters made from original multi-track masters can be mixed to sound better, or more 'modern', but may not have the exact balance between track as the original mix. Some records were even originally mixed differently for US and European releases. I find I often have to re-adjust by ears when switching between CDs and LPs to hear the message and not the media.

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bob wigo

Thanks Dave Z.

For the life of me I couldn't remember where I left that stuff !!

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Dave Z

Ah come on hippies... tell the truth... the real reason you like the vinyl... is because it usually played on some sunken box also called furniture... and in a pinch... you could always hide stuff in the opening around back... where access to all the tubes is... My guess is the real reason they have those warning labels on the back of fancy CD players... telling you not to open them up... is not because you might break the machines if you try to do your own maitenance... it's to keep hippies from trying to unscrew it... in a pinch... to hide their stash...

btw, while passing through Petersbourough, Paul G's fair village, this summer... I saw the best vinyl player ever... at the Canadian Canoe Museum... it was mounted in an old canoe... lot's of dark paint too... Got me kinda daydreaming... you had to have a pretty good J-stroke going down some of those rapids... while playing "Up On Cripple Creek"... and if you splashed just a little water on her vinyl copy of "The Band"... well let's just say... "she sends me" takes on a whole new meaning...anyway, when you watch your New Orleans Video... and see Richard Bell leaning while playing a seething solo... or you catch Garth live next, and see him thrashing about... think, ah!!! Canadian... probably learned that part from vinyl while running a good one...

Anyway, I also remember a friend had a piece of such music furniture... that was almost as long as his pool table... nice for setting drinks on (but please... use a coaster)...

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Charlie Young

Subject: The Vinyl Frontier & Mr. Viney's Latest

The quiet return of vinyl is an amazing trend to me. Just the other day I spotted Dylan's latest album on vinyl at Olsson's Books and Records (yes, they still use that word) in Arlington, Virginia.

There are good things to be said about CDs, though, such as a project like that new live Richard Manuel disc. As Peter Viney points out in his excellent article about that album here on this site, the sound of that recording is better than I ever expected and I wonder if that would have happened in the analog era. I recently bought the Beatles Star Club recordings from Hamburg, Germany for the first time on CD and I think that the sound is much better than on my old vinyl copy of that. But most analog originals (like the excellent BLONDE ON BLONDE example from John D.) can't be beat on vinyl. Put the vinyl version of "Jemima Surrender" back-to-back with the CD and there is no comparison. Of course, now I'm laughing again about that whole "tool" discussion from the other day...

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John D

I remember the first time I heard Blonde On Blonde by Dylan on CD. I wondered where Al Kooper's organ had disappeared. I was told by one of my techno-with-it friends that I was still listening in "my analog ears" to a digital production.

My answer........I don't care...........where's the organ. I wasn't being smart I was being honest. I don't care about digital numbering or whatever.........I just wanted to hear the my vinyl mix on the CD. It's the way it was recorded and in this case I don't believe that "newer technology was better." I have often seen the line "re-mixed for CD" and people like my good friend David Powell could probably explain everything to me; but the bottom line is that even though David knows his stuff we all know where his "Vinyl Heart" lies -:). Yes it can all be explained......but the bottom line is......THE SOUND!

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Empty Now

By a simple coincidence or under effect of those trendy movments currently encountred in cinema, at a given time of year 1978, not less than 5 musical movies where first-visioned the same week in movie-theaters

- The last waltz
- American graffiti - Condensed nostalgia, featuring the legendary Wolfman Jack playing his own role
- Tommy - the film with Roger Daltrey
- Exodus - the film dedicated to Bob Marley
- Saturday night fever - bof!

Everything has been arranged to dispatch the non advised public.

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Susan

Subject: Vinyl

I resisted CDs until well into the 90s. This was probably a good thing because I don't have a stock of those older ones with the poor sound. There are more than 8 milk crates of records in my house - this very weekend we are building wooden shelving to hold them, because the milk crates are in danger of falling over.

Cds are certainly easier to store, and I can take them on walks. Just now my walk is the time I listen to music, so CDs get the most play.

I do know what you all mean about the sound of vinyl. I bought a CD of Steely Dan tracks - a compilation - and was very disappointed in the sound of familiar tracks. I used to listen to the early albums a lot, and the same songs sounded flat on the cd.

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Brien Sz

Subject: CD's!

rosalind, if you're paying $20 for cd's then you're shopping at the wrong stores - new releases can be had on sale for, $11.99, $13.99 easy. If I recall correctly, albums were up in the ten dollar bracket when they went out of style.., Given time, inflation and all I'd say you'd be paying just as much if not more if vinyl was still popular today.

I once had a large vinyl collection but once the cd took hold of me their was no looking back.., You can keep the snap, crackle and pop of vinyl. My memories of album songs now on cd are quite well intact. Maybe it's my years in TV and the crisp audio of music tracks I'm used to.., I just love a clean sound.

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John Cass

Subject: Vinyl

I will never forget the first time I got into collecting Vinyl..About 5 years ago A buddy of mine told me about this store in Burlington VT that I had to go to..so I went to visit him and we hit this place called Vinyl Destination neither one of us owned a record player at the time and as I walked over to the B section and I see the Brown Album, Northern Lights Southern Cross, Big Pink... I just started going through all the Bands I liked next thing I know I got about 60 albums piled up in the corner of the store my buddy has about 50 we go to the counter and the guy tells us they are running a special 50% off all albums this month.. so about $45 later (the cost of about 3 CD's) I am walking out with about 60 records! then we head to a circut city and my buddy buys a turn table then back to his place kicking back and listening to some great stuff...looking at the album's art work... I got back home to Rutland VT and my buddy calls me and tells me his brother who lives in Rutland has a turn table he never uses and will sell it to me so I head to his place and he has a Yamaha turn table he will sell me for $100 (the thing was a $300 turn table)... Now 5 years and 1300 albums later thats pretty much all I listen to.. I still listen & buy CDs... but to me its also a fun hobby to collect vinyl..And a cheep way to have a music collection of alot of different groups,styles, and hard to find stuff (I am still in my 20's so to me vinyl at one time was something I never thought I would like)... the only down part is that when I moved into a new place they are a pain in the ass to box up and carry down two flights of stairs.. but I wouldn't trade them for nothing..

Guy Davis Saturday night in Woodstock VT's Town Hall.. third row.. never seen him before.. so should be a great time..

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Hank

Subject: Leaving Soon in The Morning

The other night, here in Cork, at a party after a session, this sax/dobro player from Santa Cruz put together a sax built in the '30ies that hadn't been played for YEARS (belonging to the party hosts father, now deceased) and we jammed on "IMND" and "Brown Sugar".......a right knees up, as they say!...........

"Unfaithful Servant"..........

At the risk of sounding COMPLETELY sacreligious.....

It's like one of them Dead songs that goes on and on and is trippy and you have to see it all and dig the beauty of the singer singing the words singing it..........like "China Doll" or "Unbroken Chain"......or "Candyman"............

Don't get me wrong now, folks......

I really LOVE listening to The Band or Rick performing "Unfaithful Servant".........

....but it's very G Dead to my ears.....the title is very G Dead, too........like you would NOT be surprised at Robert Hunter coming up with a title like " Unfaithful Servant"......and Garcia coming up with chords like that.......I would n't be surprised if Garcia covered it somewhere along his way........

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Peter Viney

"In The night" album 1985.

P.S. - this is not encylopaedic knowledge, it's just i have 'The Great Rock Discography' on the shelf next to the computer.

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rosalind

Subject: sorry to come back so soon.

W S _ That Midnight on the Water" album came out in '75. I remember cause I got it for Christmas. And on Christmas day of 1975 my Uncle Ray taught me how to waltz. He was sooo drunk and boy could he ever dance... He waltzed me thru the kitchen and my mother kept yellin' at him about the candied sweet taters( that's the way we talked around our house) cookin' on the stove directly beneath his elbow. He was a wonderful guy. He stood about 20 feet tall to me. That's just how much I loved him.. That album also had a beautiful version of "Mr Blue" and also a nice version of "Dark Hollow".

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Jenny T

Not to mention if you just want to hear a particular song for a particular mood, and you have to cue the record just right. And on albums where you are always playing that one song a lot of pops and noises develop at the beginning. Emmylou's Boulder to Birmingham is all scratched up at the beginning for me, because when I'm in the somber, nostalgic mood to hear that song I don't want to hear anything else on the album.

In high school our modern dance troupe did an interpretive dance to that song--I'd pay money to see it again now. Was it great?--I thought so at the time but maybe it was like Dana Carvey as Garth imitating that modern dance segment in whatever that Madonna video was.

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WS Walcott

I know a guy who is selling a nice collection of LPs. He has a box set of Lennon Lps on virgin Japanese vinyl. 7 LPs in all, excluding his last 2, double fantasy and milk and honey. They are in mint/near mint condition. They are all on Apple and have original gatefold jackets, inserts, etc. He is asking $150. Canadian. Any opinions on this one? I think it is a fair asking price.

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WS Walcott

I too have a lot of vinyl. I used to have over 1500 albums but know have about 400. I friend of mine has a CD recorder. The needle drop recordings turn out quite well. I then put my albums away and listen to them on CD. Why? Mere convenience, pure and simple. If you have a good vinyl presing and a top quality turntable and cartridge I believe it sounds just as good as a CD. I have an import copy of Quadrophenia that I would put up against a CD anytime. The older CDs that were originally released as LPs ( you know the ones, with the goofy pattern on the back,they all lokk the same). They actually sound inferior to vinyl, unless of course they have been remastered. The only real advantage of CDs is they take up less storage space, and you can change tracks easier with the remote. There is something about that vinyl sound I just love. But I can't put my finger on it. Maybe the sound on CDs is too compressed or too clean. But there is a distinct difference.

Brombergs "Wind on the Water" is from the album "Wind on the Water" Wallflower is on Wanted Dead or Alive. You suppose thats where the Wallflowers got their name from?

I also have Robbies first album on vinyl. Sounds great. Produced by Daneil Langois, I think.

Good cowbell-We're An American Band. Not a great song though.

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rosalind

Subject: Vinyl Yeah!

Diamond Lil _ It's a shame that these kids today (sound like my parents there) can never know the joy of a brand new shrink-wrapped vinyl Gem in their hands. I use to rip the shrink-wrap off of them things with such utter glee. Pull them out, hold them up to the light, check the grooves and gently wipe the dust particles off the beautiful shiny black with the back of my hand and head for that turntable. Look for lyrics on the inner sleeve, check out the artwork. Man...Those were the days! CD's piss me off. Twenty bucks for what? Use to by a brand new record for $5.98!

Tiny Monster _ I went to the internet and looked up Zu Zu Man. It ain't on there. Maybe it's an unlisted track. I looked for in my tape collection after I posted. It was right there in between Butterfield's "Watch 'im Tell a Lie" and "Breadline". Mac's voice or keyboard isn't even on the song. I could be wrong about it even bein'on one of his Dr. John's albums. Fred Carter played on that Butterfield album. Not Bad Fred!

Richie _ Got a movie question for ya.. Lionel says to Max.. He says; "Hey Max...These two guys go into a bar, right... and the one guy says to the bartender "Two mugs." Bartender says: "I know that. Whadaya have?" from '73 Rich.

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Diamond Lil

Richie: I had to laugh (and identify) with your comment about not having to jump up out of the chair umpteen times to change tracks on cd's the way you have to with vinyl. I was having a conversation with my 18 year old son just the other day about vinyl.. and he asked how the heck you change tracks on a record. I told him and he kind of made a face (similar to the face made when one can't find the tv remote and one has to actually get up and change the channel :-) He also asked how come we have cassette and cd players in cars.. and yet we never had turntables in cars. Hmm...

Funny how things change over the years. I'm sure that my 2 youngest think I'm lying when I tell them that there were no vcr's and no video games when I was their age. They can't imagine what I possibly did for fun. And I remember the first time my oldest saw a "dial" phone for the first time. He asked me how to work it.. because you see, it had no buttons to push! Kids.. you gotta love em.

Have a good day everyone.

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richie

Subject: cd's v . vynil

ill never get rid of my vinyls but cds have one distinct advantage. you dont have to get out of the chair umpteen times to flip the record over. how many times for rock of ages? with doubles such as exile just whack the cd in chill out and listen to it in its entirety without interruption. however, vinyl will also have massive pluses over cds. the cover artwork. light years ahead of the coputerised images which feature on cds. also cds have negated the distinctiveness of the music on the different sides of vinyl records . look at blood on the tracks. the mood and ambience on side 1 is slightly different to side 2. have a good day all. rich.

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Mike D.

Good cowbells? How's about Mississippi Queen by Mountain! At 5:00 am, that's all I can think of :) Let me know about the cd Sam. I'm just waiting for your list.

Mike...time to make the donuts :O)

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Blind Willie

Once again, I have seen the best drummer of all time. Levon sweated and sometimes grinned his way way through one hot, sweaty night in Healey's basement. I like it when The Barnburners play Toronto.

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BWNWITennessee

This might be common knowledge, I don't know, but Beck's "Loser" was based around a sample of Dr. John's "I Walk On Gilded Splinters" as recorded by singer Johnny Jenkins, featuring Duane Allman on dobro. Probably the most airplay Duane Allman's gotten since "Layla." Has The Band ever been sampled? Didn't someone use the intro to "Up On Cripple Creek"? "Don't Do It" certainly could be used. So could "King Harvest."

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Tiny Monster

Subject: "Did She Mention My Name"

I'm pretty sure it's from the "ZU ZU MAN" LP.

The Dr.John tune that is.....

Am I right Roz ?

Night all

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Bayou Sam

Subject: good cow bell

"I Call Your Name" - Beatles

"Time Has Come Today" - Chambers Brothers ?

the intros to "Down on the Corner"-CCR, and "Dance The Night Away"- Van Halen

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rosalind

Subject: David Bromberg

W S Walcott - I love that beautiful "Midnight on the Water" I forget what album it's off of tho. I have a bunch of Bromberg stuff on a good Maxell. His version of "Wallflower" is great too.

Carmen - I love "New Mexicoe" too. It's my favorite piece off that album...

Vinyl vs CD _ Vinyl wins hands-down! I wouldn't give up my record collection for nothin'

There's an old Dr. John album I used to have. It had a song on it called "Did She Mention My Name" I think he made it with a bunch of other New Orleans folks. I remember the song because it's the only song on the record I took the time to learn to play. Bought it at a yard sale for a quarter. Does anyone know the name of the album?

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Nick

Carmen, Danko gets cowriting credit on 8 songs and sole on 2 songs.

"What a Town", "New Mexico", and "Small Town Talk" with Bobby Charles

"Brainwash", "Sweet Romance", "Java Blues", "Once apon a Time" are with Emmit Grogan

and "Tired of Waiting" with Jim Atkinson

He gets sole credit for "Shake It" and "Sip The Wine" but as has been pointed out here in the past "Sip the Wine" was originally credited to Tim Drummond several years before. Drummond plays some bass on Danko's record. Who knows why Danko gets sole credit on his solo record. An odd one for sure.

Interestingly on the first pressings of "Jubilation" Danko was credited with writing "Book Faded Brown" but it was really written by Paul Jost. This was corrected on the subsequent pressings.

Rob Fraboni produced "Danko" The key players are Doug Sahm and Gerry Beckley (from America) on guitar and there's lots of guests like Clapton and Garth (New Mexico), Ron Wood, Blondie Chaplin, Levon, Richard, Robbie (killer guitar on Java Blues).

All this should be in the discography section but what the hell, I felt like typing.

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rosalind

Subject: Rick's writing credits

Carmen _
What a Town - Rick and Bobby Charles
Brainwash - Rick and Emmett Grogan
New Mexicoe - Rick and Bobby Charles
Tired of Waiting - Rick and Jim Atkinson
Sit the Wine - Rick
Java Blues - Rick and Emmett Grogan
Sweet Romance - Rick and Emmett Grogan
Small Town Talk -Rick and Bobby Charles
Shake It - Rick
Once Upon a Time -Rick and Emmett Grogan

I have the cover in a gold frame. It's one beautiful shot of Rick. The black and white glossy cover had a tendency to bend so I fixed that by keeping it protected behind glass. I bought the album after seeing a full-page ad in the Rolling Stone back in about 78 or so.

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chris

Subject: cds lps

Greg, Robbie's first solo album (and storyville too) did come out on vinyl...in fact, thats how I bought it in 1987....I wish "Jericho" and "High on the Hog" did, but, as far as I know, only "Jubilation" came out on vinyl...(I have one)....I dont know how others feel about this in the guestbook, but I still miss vinyl...though I think the CD meduim (with 24 bit remastering, and DVD audio) has finally started to come into its own for great sound quality...they are sounding warmer...and the packaging is getting better too....has anyone else heard the Doors remastered albums (from late 1999)? They are so superior to the first few editions (even as late as 1993) that its scary...the new stones remasters are unbelievably good to my ears...now only if the Band would put out some of the great unreleased material from 1985-1998 for the fans....dare to dream

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Carmen

Subject: Rick Danko

I love Rick's 1977 self titled CD. It is always in my car. I think New Mexico is good enough to have been included on any BAND work including Brown. I could never figure out why he stoped.

My version does not contain writing credits. Did Rick write or co write the songs?

Regards!

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Greg D

David P.: you answered one question I had concerning simultaneous releases on vinyl & CD. I couldn't recall if Robbie's first solo album was on vinyl too but I guess it came out when they were still releasing on both media. I didin't know that Storyville was also issued on vinyl at the time of release.Peter V.: I also found the story of Keef and the Tele revolting; considering he tours with at least 18 guitars I'm sure he doesn't need another. Maybe just his idea of fun?

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Jtull Fan

Subject: reply to Sadavid

Sadavid, how nice it was to scroll down and see your nice notes on Tull! FYI: The bonus tracks on the first 4 remastered Tull albums were previously available on the 1988 box set, now out of print. Clive Bunker did subsequent work with Blodwyn Pig, featuring Mick Abrahams, Mannfred Mann (is this their first GB mention?) in the 90's, and, only this year, in a reunion of the 1968 original lineup of Jethro Tull for several tracks featured on the new DVD Living With The Past. For bluesy Tull, I recommend 1992's A Little Light Music, wich is mostly an 'unplugged' tour compilation featuring excellent harmonica work by Ian and drumms by Dave Mattacks of Fairport Convention.

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LeeG

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Jenny T

BWNWIT: I have loved Beck since the first time I heard him sing "I'm a loser, baby, so why don't you kill me."

Maybe jazz men dress snazzy, but the greatest blues men I ever saw were Glamour "don'ts" in atrociously colored polyester suits accessorized by white belts and shoes.

I feel like I have nothing to add to the GB anymore. The only thing that struck me this week was talking about the cow bell which got me thinking about how great a cow bell can sound and what other great songs feature one. All I could think of was War's Low Rider and Sinead O'Connor's Put Your Hands on Me, but that may be a synthesized cow bell.

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Nick

Thanks John, Just before you posted I ordered two of the Danko (originals) from amazon.com. One was $24.99 and the other is $14.49. Both are imports. Could the price difference be due to quality? I figure one of them should come through. Also does anyone know what Amazon.com sales rank means?

David, you must have some killer records stores down your way. I live in the D.C. area and it took a couple months before I found Danko's first record on vinyl. It has the "cutout" hole punch in the corner and cost $18. It's in good condition though and sounds great. I'm going to beat the streets again for more stores to see if I can find a factory sealed copy or one that's not a cutout. Thanks.

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John D

The first CD I had skip was Buddy Holly's Greatest Hits on MCA. Got another copy........and I haven't checked lately; but I believe is fine. I don't believe we really know yet the "life" of the CD. All's I know is that my vinyl of 45 years ago is still sounding great (ok the 45's are little scratchy)BUT THE 33 1/3 ARE GREAT!

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John D

Subject: Rick Danko (Originals) on EMI

Hope this link works!

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Diamond Lil

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richie

Subject: keef anecdote

peter. its a horrible story i agree. however. did this guy report keith to the police? also given the fact that rock stars these days regularly get sued for millions for blowing their noses in the faces of their audiences, why has this incident not been the subject of a multi million dollar lawsuit of rockefeller poportions. given this book is riddled with factual errors , some less than truthful keith yarns are probably par for the course, and it is stephen davis we are talking about here not graham greene!

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lifeboy

What an asshole indeed! I would have taken it back and wrapped it round his head.Wa...r!All this tough guy gypsy pirate thing is a big sham anyway, it's easy to play little roles when you're that closeted and surrounded by REAL tough guys. I have also held the same suspicion Peter that they are all that way deep down but that is sick...shame.

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David Powell

Subject: Rick Danko / The Joy of Vinyl

For some of you I may be preaching to the choir, but used, as well as sealed, copies of the Rick Danko LP seem to be plentiful and inexpensive. You can't beat the sound of analogue to your ears and you don't have to strain your eyes to look at the liner notes & artwork. Even more plentiful in used record stores is the LP version of Robbie Robertson's first solo album (on the old Geffen label). "Storyville" is a little harder to find, but not long ago I found a sealed import LP version that sounded even better than my original domestic vinyl. I also found a sealed LP copy of the "Color of Money" soundtrack recently. All three of those sealed LP copies of "Rick Danko", "Robbie Robertson" and "Color of Money" cost me less than the price of one import CD!

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Peter viney

Skipping CDs- most CDs have errors, it's just that some CD players have better error correction. In my experience, car players will play almost anything as they have mega-powerful correction. I've had Philips, Marantz and Quad players (all Philips' engines) which find errors on almost any disc. The Marantz will shortly end up in the bin because it ruins most listening (though the sound quality is very good). But then Sony-based engines play them all perfectly. Try it in another player. Then give it a really good clean. That gets rid of the errors a lot of the time.

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Peter Viney

Alexis Korner- a friend had a great live 1962 album with Cyril Davies etc, which had the basic stuff on it. It was called “R&B At The Marquee”and had Gotta Move, Got My Mojo Working and Hoochie Coochie Man. Don’t recall what else, except that in my spotty youth I learned those three from it. Alexis’s later incarnation as CCS redoing ‘Whole Lotta Love’ as the theme to Top of The Pops was less edifying.

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Nick

I've got the Danko (originals)from EMI. Java Blues started skipping after a month or so. I don't know if I scratched it or it's cheap manufacturing but it's the only CD I own that skips. It's also one of my favorites unfortunately. I tried to order it again and was told it was on back order and then finally not available. So if anyone can find it hop on it cause it's going out of print if it isn't already.

The packaging of the EMI Danko(Originals) is nice. It comes in a colorful album cover replica box. Inside the CD case with the cover art and credits as well. It also comes with postcards of other artists in the EMI Originals series (mink deville is one). It's actually one of the nicer packaging jobs I've seen. The subsidiary of EMI who put it out is based in Holland.

I've also got the original album with the "hundreds of pictures" photo collage on the sleeve. It's a great piece of work. Shame it got ignored again. I'm going to cherish mine. In fact when I get home I think I'll put on "New Mexicoe" with EC on guitar, Garth on accordion and Ricky singing like a bird. Beautiful song.

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Pat Brennan

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Peter Viney

Finally fought my way to the end of the Stephen Davis Stones tome. First reaction – must relisten to ‘Bridges of Babylon’ which I dismissed at the time, but he argues is the best since Exile. Second, a very unedifying 2002 anecdote right at the end. This guy stops Keef in NYC and asks him to autograph his vintage Telecaster. Keef just snatches it, leaps in the limo and drives away. The guy catches up at the intersection, and gets threatened by Keef’s driver. Keef keeps it. The excuse is that if it were signed by Keef it would be worth $1000. So? Decline to sign it. What’s a vintage Tele worth in good condition anyway? Can’t be that far off (or wouldn’t be in Central London). Funny? In what way? Proves my long-held belief that they are all total arseholes in spite of the great music.

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Charlie Young

Subject: A Gig I'm Sorry I Missed...

I was at the Bottom Line for Al Kooper's previous performance there, but he supposedly hit the legendary NYC club earlier this month with the great guitar man, Jimmy Vivino. Vivino was hanging out in the audience last time, telling me when I mentioned that Kooper is not yet in the Rock Hall of Fame: "yeah, but he's in the Hall of SHAME."

That sort of humor was also evident in the way Vivino and Kooper billed themselves for the Bottom Line gig: "The Self-Righteous Brothers."

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Susan

Subject: Appropriate use of technology

Peter, when you listen to 'Secrets of the Heart' let the disk play on for about 2 minutes. You will then hear an interview with Bobby Charles. He talks in that soft Louuuuziana brogue, describing his songwriting methods. It seems bits of a song may come to him at any time, including when he's out and about, without a tape recorder. When that happens he finds a phone, calls home, and sings the song into his answering machine.

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Peter Viney

By 'Robbie Wood' I meant 'Ronnie Wood'- it's just that my computer is programmed to complete 'Ro-' as 'Robbie'. On first hearing, 'The Blues White Album' is crap, but I will persist and hopefully it will grow.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Dylan

Above is a link to a portion of that article about Dylan's hometown of Hibbing, Minnesota from NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC. The weird photo of the little kids with the drum is a current interior shot from Bob's boyhood home.

Dylan is playing some US shows this fall with general admission seating. One of these is on November 22 at my old college, George Mason University, in Fairfax, Virginia. I've seen Dylan play there twice before with good seats but don't plan to go with a general admission policy. I know that helps kill the scalpers, but general admission can get ugly in a gymnasium like that one...

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David Powell

John: ONE WAY did reissue "Rick Danko" in 1997. The best I can tell it's also been reissued in Europe three or four times. There's a recent listing of the album as an import from EMI under the title "Rick Danko (Originals)". I'm begining to think that perhaps the Arista re-release was shelved due to problems over the licensing rights.

sadavid: The Fleetwood Mac album you mentioned with "Black Magic Woman" was entitled "English Rose".

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Bumbles

Subject: Rick Danko CD

While it is too bad the rerelease/remaster of the Rick Danko lp has been scrubbed, it’s not as though the music isn’t available. The three live bonus tracks would be nice to have in “official” sound quality, but “Rick Danko” itself has been continuously available on CD for over 10 years, having been issued by both One Way, in the U.S., and Edsel, in Britain. The Edsel release seems still to be in print; I saw one in a record shop last week, and both amazon and amazon.uk have it listed. That’s not bad for a record that was in the 3 for $5 bins within a year of its release.

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John D

I think it would be nice if "ONE-WAY" out of Albany got on this CD. They've released some great re-issues including those of Hawkins.

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sadavid

Subject: brit blues etc

I'm working only with (a pretty dodgy) memory since my cherished vinyl all perished in a flood a few years back, so apologies for errors....

In my young teens I was lucky to come across a Mayall 2-disc compilation on London called "Thru the Years," that was key in kindling a lifelong love of the blues. A fascinating track is an extended Peter Green solo called "The Supernatural" that was immediately recognizable as kin to the monster Santana hit "Black Magic Woman." Via, as I later discovered, Fleetwood Mac-with-Peter Green's "Black Magic Woman." I disremember the name of the Mac album, but it had a terrific surreal cover with a grimacing disembodied head outstanding in its field.

Another huge favorite that I just recently was delighted to find on CD (with bonus tracks & Ian Anderson notes), was Jethro Tull's "This Was." High-energy flute taking what would be harp lines on some tracks. I tie people down and make them listen to drummer Clive Bunker drive "My Sunday Feeling" which could have been a very pedestrian blues otherwise. He's terrific all through, if anyone knows of his subsequent work I'd like to know.

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Ilkka

Subject: David Powell's list on the great music from 1968 / Kalervo's list on the great contemporary music / To Dave The Phone Guy about Alexis Korner

WARNING TO KALERVO: - Reading the first part of this post may seriously damage your health :-)
Thanks DAVID POWELL for your nostalgic list about albums from 1968. My favorite is JOHN MAYALL's "Blues From Laurel Canyon" - a gem among the _despised_ English blues. It is a concept album about flying from London to Los Angeles, telling a story. Good artwork, interesting booklet, good players (Mick Taylor, Colin Allen, Steve Thompson). After my first flight from London to Los Angeles I just had to drive thru Laurel Canyon to see if I had visualized it right.

About KALERVO'S list of modern rock music: - Thanks for including KENT which is the best band in Sweden today. I happened to interview yesterday the headmaster in the Art School where many of the boys once went. He pointed out over and over again how _traditional_ and _old-fashioned_ the school is. In this case the combination of nostalgia and avant-garde has been fruitful.
BTW The style of KENT has been described as "aggressively decadent".

Good to see Alexis Korner mentioned here, especially coming from so far away as from Eastern Sierras. (Hey Dave, is the Autumn fog lying already on the Truckee River in the mornings?)

My link is the gb vCard and the email address is woodlark.geo(Danish pastry)yahoo.com.

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Dave the Phone Guy

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Pat Brennan

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biffalo bull

there is a nice, warm article to do with a band connection from way back. it appears in the brantford expositor, entertainment section. the paper is located in brantford, ontario and obviously has a web site. thought it would be a good addition to the whats new section. deals with an old drummer from rick dankos teenage band, a band that plays as back up for ronnie hawkins, and sitting in with these guys as they play covers of band tunes. hope you find it

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Peter Viney

Pehr: e-mail me (viney at mailbox.co.uk) to discuss Link Wray …

I walk past most ‘Closing Down Sale- 40% Off’ signs, but when it’s Tower Records, I make an exception. I picked up good stuff too- Bobby Charles ‘Secrets of The Heart’. Sam Moore ‘Plenty Good Lovin’ – The Lost solo album’ and the Telarc blues anthology ‘The Blues White album’ (which features Colin Linden, Maria Muldauer, Charlie Musselwhite) and is relevant to recent discussions – blues artists do songs from The White Album. Sorry to see Tower, Southampton go, but when you regularly charge £24.99 for a DVD that Virgin and HMV have for £18.99 within 200 yards, ‘closing down’ is inevitable.

Al- football analogies. Peter Green as Georgie Best, OK. (And I remember the Geiorgie Best who played briefly for Bournemouth as well as the Manchester United version – both fit Peter Green), But I don’t think I’d rate Eric Clapton as having the indominatable enthusiasm of Kevin Keegan, maybe Robbie Wood fits better? Then you get that slight touch of headless chicken which characterizes Kevin’s managerial style at times. I agree that Eric Clapton, like Keegan, is the product of hard work, training (aka practice), and skill rather than genius, and sadly about 95% of all recent England teams are Erics not Peter Gs. But we never had a Georgie Best anyway. There’s fun to be had here- but it’s over a lengthy drink stuff probably. Eric Burdon as Jackie Charlton? Which guitarist would be dour enough to be the Kenny Dalglish? Which star, agent or manager would be the red-nosed, infinitely patronizing Brian Clough? I remember Brian addressing Kevin Keegan as “Look here, sonny” on TV when Kevin was the Newcastle manager. Who would be the David Beckham of rock? Far too many to list, I think.

Funny - the Peter Green / Mayall package is playing here soon and I wasn't tempted to get a ticket- perhaps I might now!

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bob wigo

Subject: David Bromberg

W.S. Walcott,

David Bromberg is setting up shop in Wilmington, Delaware. There are some shows scheduled in the vicinity. The link above will take you to a recent story in a local newspaper.

He's got a pretty good website as well.

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Ray G

Subject: The Band & The Stones

I'm a somewhat regular visitor to the Band page/guestbook but don't post too often. I have been seeing a lot written about the Band & the Stones lately so I'm jumpin in. I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet but a few years back Elvis' origianl band, the Blue Moon Boys, put out a CD called "All the Kings Men". Surviving Blue Moon Boys Scotty Moore & DJ Fontana teamed up with Cheap Trick, Steve Earle, the Mavericks, the remaining members of the Bill Black Combo (minus Bill Black-the other original BMB who passed on), and a few others.

The highlight of the entire disc is the opening song called "Duece and a Quarter". Levon, Rick, Jim, Richard B, Scotty, DJ, and .... Keith (or is it Keef?) all team up on this one. They work really well together and according to Scotty's excellent book, "That's Alright Elvis", it was one hell of a good time in Woodstock for the session. It's a great old style rocker and a great collaboration between members of three of Rock & Roll's most important entities... Elvis's original band, the Stones, and the Band.

Probably as close as you'll get to a Band/Stones collaboration.

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Nick

I emailed Ice magazine about the Danko cancellation and got this response:

"Thanks for your note. The release is definitely cancelled with no plans for future reinstatement, unfortunately. And, I'm sorry to say, I haven't any details as to why they cancelled it. You may want to contact the label directly. This was coming through their reissue arm, BMG Heritage."

So I guess that's it then. Maybe somebody from a smaller label will buy the masters and put it out since Arista doesn't want to do it. Another great album put ouy to pasture.

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WS Walcott

I'm a big Bromberg fan. Have about 10 of his albums. Is he still around? Still recording? He does a good version of Danko's "What A Town".

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John D

Well I'm still at home for another week or so; because of this illness and I'm going to miss Levon right in my own backyard. Doesn't get much worse. Butch hope you all had a good night in Cobourg last night and I know Healey's will be JAMMED tonight. Jeff Healey and Levon together. Whoooooo!

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ro

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rosalind

Subject: Bluegrass

That sounds great. The McCoury's doin' The Weight. I hear it in my head. Bluegrass is a rich and a wonderful thing. The first great music I ever heard was The Seldom Scene. John Starling drew me in to Emmylou Harris, which in turn drew me into Gram Parsons. I heard her singin "Sin City" and said Oh My God, Who wrote that song! Afer that it was Ralph Stanley. The guy sounds like he came from the very core of the oldest tree on them old Clinch Mountains. I love Dave Evans, Dave Evans singin' "Pastures of Plenty", Larry Sparks singin "John Deere Tractor" The Richie Family singin' "Old Ship of Zion". David Parmley and his family singin' about them 32 acres of bottom land...

I'm with you Richie, There ain't hardly been a decent film come out of Hollywood in the past 20 years. There's a good book you might like to read. It's called " Easy Riders and Raging Bulls" Goes back to Bonnie and Clyde and tells the story of how the maverick film directors of the 70's saved the place. Altman, Ashby, Scorsese...they're all there. Robbie even got a line or two. One of the lines is the day Cassavetes walked up to Scorsese at Beverly Hills Hotel swimming pool and pulled him aside to tell him "These loser's are killin' you!"

I gotta go away for a couple of days...don't everybody applaud at once now...

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JTull Fan

Subject: Blues and Jazz men

I think one of the reasons blues and jazz men (and women) age so gracefully in their careers and otherwise is that I doubt any of tem went into it for the money but rather for the love of music. When BB King, John Lee Hooker, or Muddy Waters started their careers, what was it, te 30's or 40's? We were yet to see the R& R megastars, never mind blues and jazz spread by blacks (black artist acceptance that is) beyond the racial barriers of the day. So, more than likely they went into the business without dreams of fame and fortune beyond the local airing of King Biscuit, etc. Rock stars of the 60'2 and 70's on the other hand, were drawn to the fame and adulation of Elvis, and later the Beatles, then the Stones, etc. So although many were talented, much of their motivation may have been acieving 'the lifestyle' rather than playing for small change at night and keeping their day jobs.

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ulbiman

Subject: brit blues

hello pehr! I heard the Feelgood version many years before i mentioned that is was written by Rick. It is a very straight and powerful version. It is still available on the CD "On the job from 1979. Nice that someone remembers me old heroes.

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richie

Subject: yer blues

inerestingly john mayall and peter green are co headlining a uk autumn tour. dream gig or what. movies!lets face it most of what hollyood churns out these days is complete and utter crap. my heroes are your altmans, your ashby's,basically, all those great 70's movies and further back than that,john ford, fred zinneman etc, also european directors such as mike leigh and bertolucci. i cant stand empty headed bruckheimer/don simpson con air type films. have a good day everyone.

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Long Distance Operator

How would the Flaming Lips fare with "Unfaithful Servant"? Just curious.

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fred

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twilight

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rosalind

Subject: Bluesman vs Rock stars

Fred _ I always felt that old bluesmen had a very strong survival streak. They came from the Delta. Their folks were sharecroppers. They played in the streets for nickels. They had the food taken out of their children's mouths by crooks who took their magic and ran. They were suspicious and cautious and stayed that way. Survivalists. Plus they were black.... But I can't get Howlin' Wolf singin' "Goin Down Slow" out of my head. And Rock guys had it too easy for the most part, I think. They come in spurts, they're inconsistant. Too many quick stops and starts. Too many temptations, and they have not much of a strong foundation. Jazz musicians, take look at "'Round Midnight" or "Bird". Just my thoughts...

I liked those snippets of dialogue in the "Circle" album too "Pick the ban 'ga solid John. You been playin' one for 35 years ain'tcha"

Thanks for the mention of Wilko Johnson and Lee Brilleaux....Gritty back alley stuff appeals to me.

Richie _ so ya called my bluff.....

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Jon

Subject: Crawfish

Read this in the What's New Section: "The webmaster is off to Sweden for a couple of days (work, crawfish, pickled herring and schnaps). No more updates until next week. Y'all behave now. Please." Could someone really tell me if they have crawfish in Sweden?

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Rick S.

Subject: Levon Helm Band/Kingston

Doc Cass- you were so close to the action it looked like you were part of the band. I concur with your review of the Levon Helm Band Plus. It was such a thrill for me to see Tony Garnier and Levon in the groove and smiling. The band played for over two hours on the patio overlooking the water. Beautiful night. Good to see George Lembesis videotaping. The G-Man Trio; Frankie A. and Capt. Jack in attendance. Nice to see Professor Louie and Gary Burke checking out the music. Thanks Butch for inviting the Guestbook audience.

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Pehr

Al Edge I'm with ya on peter Green being a great one. Guitar Player Magazine had a nice piece on him about a year back. Sadly he went off the rails, but word has it he's come a long way towards coming back. I haven't [icked up his record, hes put out one or two new ones in the last couple years.

Brit blues. Man I gotta throw in a plug for my favorite Brit bluesmen Wilko Johnson and Lee Brilleaux from Dr. Feelgood. They were great; they made the blues work for them, and weren't academic about it (I dont know why white people still TRY to shuffle- outside of Levon & Co., of course.) That stuff had tons of soul and was tough, gritty back alley music. Band connection: They did a cover of "Java Blues" according to this site. I've been looking for it for years. Never heard it. Anybody out there hear it?

Reminds me..Mr. Viney if you are out there. Guitar Preacher is out of print again. Damn! maybe I'll check EBay.

Found BTW a great record, old Iggy and Stooges rehearsals from late 60's to early 70's. Alot of it is just Iggy and James Williamson going through vamps in a basement or something. Now here are some effin' blues. Its sat on my turntable for a week. a good sign. Band connection?: Well besides being recorded in a basement, they do a nice "Hollis Brown" which the Band did with Dylan, '74, and a wild "Mellow Down Easy" which is note for note Bloomfield till Williamson just falls to pieces trying to keep up, but still sounds great anyway. There is a song about "She looked into my pin-point eyes and cried", that just haunts me. its on Bomp! records.

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Fred

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Al Edge

Fred, I'm with you 100% on this one. Anybody who could withstand Dick Van Dyke's 'cor blimey Mary Poppins' for an entire film shoot could surely eat the Von Trapps for breakfast with or without a spoonful of sugar.

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Al Edge

Being an unfeasibly avid Red I naturally prefer to retain a respectable distance from anything Blue.

Nonetheless, further to our round up of authentic British Blues artists, I think we ought to ponder at least a weeny while on Peter Green who - intrinsically - was surely the nearest we Brits have ever had to the real thing i.e Robert Johnson et alia.

Although the analogy I'm about to make is by no means a perfect one [since George Best actually did achieve so much], I think Pete Viney will know what I mean when I say that if Eric Clapton was Kevin Keegan then Peter Green was Georgie Best. In other words one had great talent and dedicated himself to perfecting it and becoming a true great whilst the other was naturally imbued with a gift from above but kind of squandered it.

Sadly for Peter, he went off the rails very early into his career and so never achieved anywhere near the greatness for which God had him earmarked. Eric Clapton in stark contrast achieved possibly even more than he ever really had a right to through hard work, an undeniably great talent and dedication to his art.

On a personal level, as much as I admire Eric Clapton, I mean no disrespect when I say that I would rather a brief snatch of Peter Green on 'Oh Well' or 'Green Manalishi' than a listen to an entire 'Ocean Boulevard' or 'Layla' - and I do really like that stuff.

It's just that for me Green back then had that certain authentic magical quality that I personally feel Eric has somehow lacked. As regards who I'd prefer to spend a night in the ale house with?...well that's a completely different ball game - Georgie Best of course.

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paul godfrey

Subject: stones - band

I always thought it would be interesting to hear the BAND with Levon singing solo for HIGH & DRY, I think from the Stones Album AFTERMATH.

Basically its a Leadbelly 12 string guitar type tune. Still pull out my old Gibson G45-12 and let it play.

Really don't think the Stones could do much justice to BAND songs. Apples & Oranges!

shineonpaulg

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Dave the Phone Guy

It's only 74 miles from Coubourg,Ontario to Toronto, and 82 miles back-tracking to Lindsay,Ontario from Toronto.This would be a great road trip for serious blues fans.September 18,19, and 20th north of that big lake.I didn't bother to check how many miles it is from California,USA to Coubourg.This tour is not gonna happen for me, but multiple shows in a row is the way to do it.

Anyone from the GB signing on for the Barnburners mini-tour?

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Al Edge

Sad news Empty Now but nevertheless a fine tribute to the man that way over there you have picked up on someone who was obscure even on his own turf. Days of Pearly Spencer is an extremely evocative song from the past of many on here I am sure. Thank you. Here is a link to a snatch of it for anybody unfamiliar with the song or the artist http://www.cherryred.co.uk/crzone/audio/mcwilliams.ram

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Peter Viney

More on why those British guys played the blues so bad (a remark that doesn’t offend me in the slightest as it’s usually true). Often the bands were semi-pro, picked up the same day with no rehearsal. Other times they were pro and toured for several weeks with Blind Snake Oil Terrapin. What happened every night was that Blind Snake Oil picked up £200 to £500 in cash. The boys were then given £15, or a mere £3.75 each for a four piece. A crap hotel in those days was about £1.50 to £1.75 (at two to a room). Add in petrol, repayments on the van and gear, food and they actually ended up poorer at the end of the tour. They hoped they’d picked up enough education (or if bright enough lifted a song or two). But it wasn’t riches or glory- it was education.

Pat – if you get the Stones gig, please inform them that I’m a mean marraccas player and also extremely cheap. BUT if Bill Wyman doesn’t want to do it, and Charlie reportedly hates doing it, why should we bother? Nah. Sod it.

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richie

Subject: peter v. and roz

peter. thanks for that. ill give them a bell asap. roz darling. me and movies. choose your weapons. pistols at dawn, lets go for it baby! ill get back to you in the morning because right now its beddy bies in brit land. goodnight roz and pete and to all you magical people out there in band land.

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David Powell

I have to admit that I'm not too familiar with David McWilliams, although I vaguely remember Pearly Spencer. Thanks Empty Now for providing details about Mr. McWilliams. Considering their similiar backgrounds, I wonder if he ever played with Van Morrison? Interesting detail about the use of a megaphone on vocals -- Tom Waits often uses this technique.

Thanks also to John Cass for the update on Levon's latest live adventures. Has anyone compared Levon's touring schedule with that of the Stones to see if they might be crossing paths?

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Empty Now

Subject: David McWilliams

While I was waiting for some response to my recent post concerning one song of David Mc Williams, I ran in parallel a research engine for the same purpose.
I found a webpage which answers partially to my questions, but unfortunatelly I just realized that David was dead this year aged 56 years. I’m blowed by this information

It’s perhaps late, but I just demand to all of you the GBers, who loved this great Irish singer who hasn’t been favorized by the star system, and are reminding songs like The days of Pearly Spencer, Haarlem Lady, Brown Eyed Girl, … those songs which gave you some happiness during your youth, and even later, to visit the link above, or just to have a reverencial thought in his memory.

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John D

For those who liked the release (post O Brother) of O Sister, filled with Bluesgrass and Gospel harmonies of women on Rounder........O Sister 2 has been released this week. Again a very fine CD filled with Bluegrass with Gospel overtones of great women in music.

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Bones

By the way, what's the word on the new Joan Osbourne cd with "The Weight"?

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David Powell

Subject: Will the Circle Be Unbroken

Rosalind -- it was Bill Monroe who didn't want to have anything to do with the "Will the Circle Be Unbroken" project. Mr. Acuff was apprehensive about participating at first, but once the Dirt Band played him some tapes of stuff they were working on, he realized that they were serious about playing "country music" and agreed to do it. Mr. Scrugg was a key figure in talking other performers, such as Mother Maybelle Carter and Jimmy Martin, into participating.

The decision to include studio dialogue from the sessions really added additional fervor to the music. The 30th Anniversary CD edition restored even more of this studio chatter. Getting to hear guitar greats Merle Travis & Doc Watson meeting for the first time and Mr. Acuff reminding the young players to watch their timing is almost as priceless as the music is timeless.

The awesome list of participants joining the Dirt Band for Circle Vol. III includes: Randy & Earl Scruggs, Vasser Clements, Jimmy Martin, Doc Watson, Sam Bush, Johnny & June Carter Cash, Jerry Douglas, Vince Gill, Emmylou Harris, Ricky Scaggs, Taj Mahal, Willie Nelson, Josh Graves, Del McCoury, Rodney Dillard, Tom Petty, Dwight Yoakam, Iris Dement, Tony Rice, Alison Krauss and Matricia Berg. It also should be noted that John McEuen has rejoined the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. Vol. III is a family affair --Jamie Hanna, Jonathan McEuen, Richard Watson and Ron & Rob McCoury also carry on the musical tradition.

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John Cass

Subject: Kingston, NY

What a night of the Blues at Mariner's Harbor last night!!

Levon and the fellas tour down the house!!

Levon proving once again that he is the best damn drummer in history.. the Barnburners had Tony Garnier playin the stand up bass... some amazing guitar wars with Sid McGinnis, Jimmy Weider, and Pat OShea.... Chris O Leary blowin that harp like a man on a mission bringing the Blues to the sheriff in town (who is a real cool guy..)

Just a great night of music and seeing some good freinds.. Butch as always thanks for the great time...and I hope those pictures I took come out there should be some great ones there!!

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rosalind

The Weight, a hidden track huh....nice! Levon Done one beautiful job on the second "Unbroken Circle" That album got played around the house non-stop for a few days.

Grandpa was a carpenter...He built houses ,stores and banks.
Chained smoked Camel cigarettes and hammered nails in planks...."

That song always reminded me of my dad......

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Dave the Phone Guy

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Bashful Bill

Oct 1 they release vol 3 of Will The Circle...Not certain what legends play with them on this one, but a friend of mine reports to me that according to ICE they do The Weight as a hidden track. And on another subject, who said Yoko might be ineligible? Unintelligible, maybe.

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Pat Brennan

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Bumbles

Subject: Oh, Canada

BEG: How could a Canadian, snowed in or not, raise the subject of rock stars & food and not mention Lovin' Spoonful guitarist and noted Kingston restaurateur Zal Yanofsky? (Or should that be Zaaaaaal Yanooooooofsky?)

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rosalind

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Peter Viney

Roz is right there- I'd forgotten Mayall, whose 'drummerless' band could play it right too. I think the earlier incarnations with more famous participants (like Clapton) actually weren't as good at the blues feel.

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Peter Viney

Nancy is correct on the Sonny Boy quote. Which he’d said in the UK repeatedly before he said it to the Hawks. As he’d played with the highly competent The Yardbirds and The Animals, he hadn’t seen the worst of it! Someone else mentioned that the Stones were British and playing the blues, but I guess British bands actually had more experience of playing with major black artists than most American bands. In the early 60s, a lot of blues giants visited the UK and were greeted with awe and respect. Because of prevailing Musicians Union rules, they had to use British pick-up bands (See the John Lee Hooker bio for this). In the USA, I guess they’d have always used their own backing groups, not young white guys. Even in the late 60s, it was rare for blues artists to bring their own bands with them – Muddy Waters circa 1968 was an exception and you could really hear the difference. A few weeks earlier watching John Lee Hooker the British backing was terrible. In their favour, I’ve spoken to people who played with Chuck Berry (Biggest bastard in showbusiness, guitar wildly out of tune, no rehearsal whatsoever) and John Lee Hooker (charismatic and friendly, but couldn’t play a 12 bar the same twice, didn’t know what a “key” was, played as if playing solo with no regard to people following him) and Clyde McPhatter (totally drunk. Didn’t know what day it was or which country he was in, let alone what song he was doing). So there was a clash of cultures, and very few British bands could play loose enough to follow the blues artists. Most often the blues guys smiled nicely, put up with the enthusiastic but rigid boogie plodding along behind them, took the money and ran. The Stones were an exception, because they could play it loose enough. Even Fleetwood Mac, who could play the blues beautifully, never got that loose raunchy feel that the Stones had.

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rosalind

Nancy _ Is that it! I could have sworn I read that other version somewhere.

Anyway, I must recant that "purist" bullshit from yesterday. I feel like Roy Acuff sometimes. Acuff refused to be associated with the "Will the Circle Be Unbroken" album cut by the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and friends way back around 1971. It pissed the laid-back, soft-spoken Earl Scruggs off so bad that he threw a fit in the car and called Acuff an "asshole"! I like English Blues. Mayall is terrific and them damn Stones are alright too!

Somebody.. Al... said that Richie knew more about Movies than anyone else in here. Mr. Edge, Was that you? I beg your pardon sir.....I beg to differ. Richie....how bout a game?

I just received my first e mail from some barister from Nigeria asking for money for his pal who's in prison. Guess I have finally been initiated. Evidently their still casing the Guestbook.

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Pehr

Hi kalervo. I appreciate your taste in music, and I'm glad there is alot of new stuff you like. I just have different needs. For me that stuff is good, but it doesnt Rock enough. I'm not too into the past either though. I'm making my own music these days and having alot of fun. I'm not too interested in listening to keep up with the times. (I'm thinking of what the Band did when they moved to woodstock- just drop out for a while and get their own groove together. I dont think that there is anything wrong with that.)

I stand by my last statement. Most new music imitates other music, and its dominated by corporate tyrant mentality that makes me feel like cattle if I buy that stuff or turn on my radio.

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Empty Now

Kalervo:

Thanks for introducing some groups unfamilar to me.
I know you can barely feel what i'm feeling, i hope you'll understand what i'm saying:

I enjoy ante-diluvian music, the reason is surely not the nostalgia. Only time separates the being goog from the seeming good.

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Dexy

Subject: Harrison Tribute Concert

Link above takes you to a story saying there will be a London tribute concert to George, featuring McCartney, Starr, Dylan, Clapton, Petty and Ravi. Would be nice to have The Band there too.

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Peter Viney

Richie- SPIN in Newcastle-upon-Tyne got my Whispering Pines CD – it took about three weeks. (Tel: 0191 261 4741). I’ve had Jim Weider’s Remedy on order from them for about 5 weeks, but it hasn’t turned up yet. They’re very helpful. They also list ‘Sea to The North’ and the Rick Danko Memorial set.

Sam: As was said when we discussed potential cover artists, the Stones could make a great job of ‘Jemima Surrender’ – which is very Stones-like in the first place. The Band could have made a very good stab at ‘Country Honk’ too. BTW, on that ‘turn up the volume’ effect (cow bells on Honky Tonk), how about the snap of the drums at the start of Beast of Burden?

My in car collection – I have a 6 CD autochanger, but have about 25 CDRs in the car. About every couple of months I just compile recent tracks I currently like, and stick (e.g.) ‘July 2002’ on the cover. That one currently has ‘Hey, Mr DJ’, ‘Alejandra Leaving’, ‘Hard Candy’- just recent(ish) stuff. There are about 6 or 7 of those. The true permanent collection consists of compilations. I have about five soul ones, two Van M (one studio, one live), one Dylan (all long wordy stuff opening with Visions of Johanna + Desolation Row, Señor…), just the one Band, then several themed compilations – British Classics, American Classics (1-3), Female Singers (1 & 2). In the autochanger, slot 1 and 2 are stuff I’m into today - not CDRs but proper albums (today it’s Rewind by The Stones & the new Chris Rea). Slot 3 will usually be my ‘recent stuff’ CDR, I always have a soul CD in there without fail, then will be old favourites in 5- The Band, or Dylan or Van. The last slot holds a CD, not a CDR and it’s been there at least 18 months- ‘Shining Like a National Guitar’ by Paul Simon, as if my wife and I can’t agree on a CD, that will always work as the compromise CD. So, The Band is permanently in the car but not in the auto changer. Oh, and I carry a couple of Garrison Keillor cassettes for BAD traffic jams. They calm you down and stop you worrying that the other lane is moving better (the other lane is always moving better).

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Fred

Stiff-upper lip British nanny Julie Andrews vs. syrupy aryan Austrian wannabe nun Julie Andrews...who would you place your bet on?

Beatles vs Stones: are the Fab Four allowed to have Yoko Ono on their side, or is she inelligible (perhaps until later rounds) and which line-up would the represent the Stones?

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Nancy

I'm not sure about this but I think the quote about British bands playing the blues that Ros mentioned was along the lines of:

"They want to play the blues so bad......and they do".

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Al Edge

PS. Should point out that my nose is nowhere as big, relatively speaking, as comes across on that doodle at the bottom of my last post. That said, my mouth is infinitely bigger!!

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Al Edge

When you read back through all the GB postings there is really only one conclusion to be drawn.

That is, there are some right opinionated bastards on here - and I'm probably as guilty a culprit as any. As I'm sure someone once said - opinions are like arseholes - every one's got one - and they're full of shit most of the time - and a bloody good percentage of them post on the GB!!!

Actually, I think there's been some really heartfelt, insightful and stimulating posts these past few days since Pat unscrewed the bottle top on the fizzy lemonade. And then kept shaking it with a little help from yours truly.

Shall we now move on to Original Band versus More recent line-ups???? Nah, best not eh!! What about Beatles versus Stones, then? Sound of Music v Mary Poppins?

:-O)

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Kalervo

Subject: Not high on zombie stuff

Pehr: you were the only one who reacted my post, thank you! The others are so high on zombie stuff that I think I' ll take a couple month break soon and come back praising Christmas Must Be Tonight!

Today' s music boring and over-produced? How unfair and one-eyed statement...

Some examples:

-I just got a double cd of new Basque music: sublime stuff!

- To me Bruce Cockburn' s last 7-8 albums are really wonderful...Same kind of heart music than Robbie' s Native albums.or Caetano Veloso' s, Gilberto Gil' s and some other' s (who are old but still fresh) albums ..

- There are are new breed of song-writers who are really superb: Richard Buckner, Stuart Davis, Lucy Kaplansky, Buddy Miller, Ryan Adams, Buddy Mondlock, Bill Wilson, Dan Bern, Jakob Golden (these in USA only!) etc.........

- there are really fine bands around that makes you yawn on (?) that over-played old stuff: Clearlake, the Delgados, Wilco, Rinneradio, Dapp Theory, Guided By The Voices, Weeping Willows, Antipop Consortium, Seremoniamestarit, WOR, Kent, Celtas Cortos, Bo Kaspers Orkestra, Gomez etc....

- Outside the small sand box of rock there is wonderful, spiritual, fresh and uplifting music happening everywhere in the world: Hawaii, Mali, Argentina, Japan, Spain, Portugal, Finland, indigenious world, etc....

Old music is fine with me, in healthy amounts. I am not 90 years old, so I want to live today not in the dead past....

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ro

..Forgot "Long Distance Operator" for cyber-sex or guys with big stuff.

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rosalind

Subject: Band music to Screw by!

Order from off the top of my head:

Jemima Surrender
Rag Mama Rag
Look Out Cleveland
Get Up, Jake
Baby, Don't Ya Do It
W. S. Walcott Medicine Show
Strawberry Wine
Just Another Whistle Stop
Forbidden Fruit
Ring Your Bell
Chest Fever
Volcano
Shootout in Chinatown
Ain't That a Lotta Love
Promise Land
I'm Ready
Don't Ya Tell Henry
Apple Suckling Tree
Hazel
Yazoo St. Scandel
Nothing Was Delivered
"Odds and Ends.. Odds and ends....Lost time is not found again"
Please Mrs. Henry
and when ya really get tired "Old Jawbone"

Did I forget anything? "Don't crowd me lady or I'll fill up your shoe....."

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Fred

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Fred

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brown eyed girl

From all us "poor Canadian souls who are probably snowed in".........

"Paul Anka (Canadian) wrote a version of "My Way", for Hawkins, with Foster (Canadian) accompanying on piano and Clinton singing back-up.

Clinton delivered the last line, amended to "I did it Hilary's way", and brought the house down." (Toronto Star Newspaper)

Rock Stars and Food: My brother catered for a few rockers when they were in Toronto years ago....Annie Lennox....Herbivore.....The Clash.....beef....It is rumoured that Mick Jones is a herbivore...if true.....not then.....Stevie Ray Vaughan.....Texas Chicken.....In the early 90's my brother was working at a restaurant in Yorkville.....yeah.....the hood that used to be hippydom where Joni and Neil and Murray and others played at The Riverboat.....now.....bourgeoisdom......All the movie stars during our Film Fest could be seen here recently......Anyway.....in walks Keef, Keyes and Woody.....Keef and Keyes ordered pepper steak and salad while Woody ordered boulabase (help! spelling police!).....They drank two bottles of wine.....Keyes pays by credit card and leaves 100.00 tip......Mick of course was no where to be found.....Uhhhh.....I'm not allowed to share anything else about these rockers on a website.....I think he's saving all the details for his latest book......

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Wittgenstein

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BWNWITennessee

I loved that Fortune quote from Keith: "It's a mom and pop business - Mick's the mom, and I'm the pop."

Charlie, I assume you're probably joking, but song titles can't by copyrighted, so they're missing out on that. Poor guys.

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BWNWITennessee

Speaking of barstool Zen, I just saw that everyone's favorite Icelandic hypno-trance band, Sigur Ros, who were featured heavily on the Vanilla Sky soundtrack, is going to tour the States this fall to support their new album. The album, which is going to be untitled, will consist of eight new tracks, none of which are going to be named. The CD, which will again feature songs sung in an invented language, is going to include a twelve-page booklet, which is completely blank. Now that's cool! Unfortunately, they are not telling anyone the cities that their tour is hitting. Okay, I made that last part up. But naturally, they are going nowhere the hell near the state of Tennessee. Also, no, I don't know whether they are going to cover any Byrds songs.

Fred, I swear I read that quote before, I think maybe in the book "Goin' Down The Road," by Blair Jackson, but that it was attributed to Robert Hunter. Does anybody else know about this?

Do you people listen to Beck? Rolling Stone gave his new release five stars. I don't have any of his CDs, but I'm starting to like his stuff more, and to gain more respect for him as an artist. He seems to be one of the few popular artists who actually has some integrity - meaning he probably won't be that popular for much longer. By the way, I still think Rolling Stone sucks, but I am going to frame this week's cover.

Aaron Copland? Surely you mean Igor Stravinsky.

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Fred

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Bayou Sam

Whatever makes a piece of music special is that"something" that moves the listener,...." Nicely said bwnwitenn.

I was thinking about the Stones "Rock and Roll Circus show from 1968 (there's that year again). It was finally released a couple of years ago after sitting on a shelf for many years. It was reported that, at the time, Mick was hesitant to release it because The Who were so powerful, he thought they upstaged the Stones. However, when I saw the movie I was pleasantly surprised at how good the Stones were for the finale. I thoughts Mick's worries were unfounded - even though the Who's "A Quick One" was amazing.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Underplayed Songs

Long Distance Operator: yep, "Can't You Hear Me Knockin'" remains one of the great recordings by the Rolling Stones and one that doesn't make the playlists of many "classic rock" radio stations. I remember the days when an obscure instrumental by the Stones (named after the street address of Chess Records) was the theme song for a local DC area DJ. "2120 S. Michigan Avenue" remains another one of my favorite underplayed track by the Stones.

After reading the article from FORTUNE that was posted here I wonder if Mick and Keith get royalties every time a new "Ruby Tuesday" restaurant opens. Mick obviously paid close attention back in those economic classes he took. Of course, Keith is no dummy either. I have a book that shows the interior of his library and it's pretty damn impressive.

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Nick

"Bridges To Babylon" ('98)is a great Stones record. Great songs all around. Much better than Steel Wheels IMHO or anything since "Some Girls". Hell, I listen to it more than "Some Girls". The Stones are the shit.

My favs in no particular order 1. Band 2. Dylan 3. Beatles 4. Who 5. Feat 6. Stones.

Apples or Oranges. Don't ya know they all taste good.

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Bashful Bill

I'm probably getting punchy from lack of sleep here, but I can see Rick, if he were put up to it, doing Far Away Eyes in one of his solo shows, with the professor and/or Shredni or whoever harmonizing. I tried to picture the 90's Band doing it,I can hear Levon harmonizing, but that's as far as I got. So, anyone familiar with one of the Stones better cuts, the B-side to It's Only Rock & Roll?

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ro

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Pat Brennan

Now, I also believe we've entered the realm of academia with this zen-like "be the music" thing. First of all, your argument places any importance music might have in the hands of the listener; it becomes strictly a subjective ability on the listeners part to place themselves "in the music". Which, if I follow your thread to its conclusion, would place Yes above the Stones or the Band simply because certain listeners say so. That's all well and good and very democratic. I personally don't buy it, although I have pulled out Close To The Edge occasionally. I do see the efficacy of having this sort of system in place, because everybody would then be happy.

Allow me to split some more hairs. Wolf, Chuck, Muddy et.al. pursued a musical vision that usually relied on a repeated riff, as evidenced by your post and the eighth note thing mentioned earlier. Learn the riff, play the song. Then it's up to the singer (again, usually) to portray the subject matter. However, when addressing The Band, the riff becomes a much more varied, complex thing. Think of Don't Do It. Rick's opening bass riff gets overlaid by Robbie's crunch, Richard's JLLewis pounding and Garth's. The whole things changes in the verse, again in the chorus, 2nd verse with some subtle changes, same with second chorus, Levon's breakdown with Richard's ascending line, another chrous, Robbie's solo over the charge of the full group, another Levon breakdown, Garth amplifying the last chorus and Robbie taking it out, plus the surprise ending. Each section changes, sometimes dramatically, sometimes subtly all to incredible effect. Do these--dare I say-complex changes make the song better than if they just stayed on that first lick and hammered it through the whole song ala Mannish Boy? I would answer Yes. Excuse me, not Yes. The answer to me is yes.

Thanks for amplifying your answer. I don't think it's useful to get into comparing jazz with rock or classical, because, let's face, Aaron Copland blows everyone away. And, I'm sorry we didn't see you in Nashville.

And Hank, we still haven't discussed money.

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roz

It wasn't just the blues The Band understood. One of the most important things ever said about music in my opinion, was when Robbie said "The land makes the music" I know that Country music played just as much a part in The Band as blues did. The Stones were outsiders to American land. That's why they needed Gram. I know I look at everything with deeper eyes. That's just the way I am. It must be those depression era photographs on the wall above me....

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rosalind

Subject: The Band / The Stones / Tom and Otis

Was it Sonny Boy Williamson who said something along the lines of how, when he went to England, he was worshipped by those English guys who loved the blues "They love it so much but they're sooo bad at it." The Hawks sat around in a small intimate group of old blues guys and learned the feel from the inside out. The Stones sat in front of a record player and got the feel from the outside in. I don't know where that fits in.. just thought of it. For me anyway, when I think of how The The Stones might do a Band piece it doesn't make any sense to me. It's a completely opposite feel. The Stones make ya dance, laugh and have fun, the more the merrier. The Band is real roots. It's so Intimate. The last of it. Just about anything that came out of England other than Clapton has been a hybrid, and Clapton would be the same if he hadn't been born with Robert Johnson's soul inside him. It's not their fault. When its gone, it's gone. That's just my little humble opinion slipped in with all you big cats.

I have this feeling that Otis never died. Every time I listen to him he slips up under my dress. And the guy's so sneaky, ya don't know he's comin' till he gets there.

And Tom Jones was damned cool. I loved the moves he made with those hands of his. Terrific voice too!

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BWNWITennessee

Mr. Brennan, please allow me to respectfully clarify my position so that we might hopefully be able to reach a cordial agreement on this point. I took your repeated statement that the Rolling Stones have never written a song as nuanced as Unfaithful Servant as an implication, logically, I believe, that they are therefore not as skilled writers as are The Band. The opinion that I was trying to express, at which I was apparently unsuccessful, is that the difficulty in performing a piece of music is, as someone here are already referenced, a moot point. By taking the argument that US is "better" that, say, Brown Sugar because it is more complex to its logical conclusion, 2112 would therefore be better than The Weight. I sincerely doubt that The Band would have been capable of performing Tales from Topographic Oceans properly, yet I also doubt that anyone here would suggest that Yes is therefore somehow better than The Band. Whatever makes a piece of music special is that "something" that moves the listener, something which may be present in both Giant Steps and Bo Diddley. Ideally, ultimately, I believe, the listener of a piece of music should never realize whether it is extremely difficult or incredibly simplistic. They should simply BE the music, nothing more. Zen, perhaps. That is why I personally believe the complexity of a piece of music simply does not even exist as to a factor of the quality of the piece. lee had mentioned awhile ago that one of the Stones' songs had the same note repeated for four bars. But Mannish Boy is one riff repeated for the entire tune! Many Bo Diddley and John Lee Hooker songs are nothing more than one chord, but I would not argue that that takes away anything from the music. To discount music because of its simplicity would be to discount virtually all indigenous music, all music that has been passed down by the folk oral tradition, of which Rock and Roll is a member. Not to mention 4'33"! So I fear that if the difficulty of a piece of music were the criteria by which it is judged, we would all be worshipping the ground upon which Yngwie treads, God forbid. So I hope that this clarifies my thoughts on the matter, and I apologize if the colloquialism of my previous statements was the cause of some confusion. Please feel free to contact me should you have any further questions, and have a good evening.

bassmanlee, I have sometimes thought the same thing about the Dead, but I think that they did still produce some high quality music up till the end, if in not the same quantity. Garcia especially had a hand in some excellent material shortly before his death, like Lazy River Road, So Many Roads and The Days Between. Personally, I think that LRR and SMR could have fit nicely on the Europe '72 album. But I do think that most rock musicians' creative peak only lasts for a very few years. Springsteen, I think, peaked from '75 to '80, and while he has made a lot of great music since then, including some of his new album, he was never able to be that consistent again. The Band, let's be honest, peaked from '68 through '70. This makes it all the more unfortunate that most artists nowadays wait two, three or four years between releases. CCR's entire recording career only lasted for about three and a half years, for God's sake!

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Hank

Subject: Torn and Frayed

Pat B! So you WOULD play with The Stones!

I'm gigging in Brandons of Ennis next week, Pat.........

Fly into Shannon....only down the road from Ennis....... and gig with us! \We don't pay better'n the Stones BUT we DO play Band songs!

I was reading in the latest Mojo that The Stones rehearsed in Bearsville in 1978 for a US tour.........

Any account of Band/Stones interface at this time?

Actually, Bayou Sam.......I'd love to hear Charlie Watts drumming to "The Weight"......How about Keith singing "The Shape I'm In"?

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Fred

Jerry Garcia: "I'll tell you what affected me...I was so impressed by the songwriting of Robbie Robertson. I just said 'Oh yeah. This is the direction. This is the way for us, with all our folk roots, our country and bluegrass roots."

and

Wier, however, tells Uncut he doesn't recall The Band as any kind of influence, and McNally also talks down the connection, "The ethos of The Band's material was explicitly Southern and Appalachian," he points out. "However similar The Band's material might have sounded, the Dead were thematically much, much weirder."

Gosh, after quoting so much, I'm beginning to feel like Brown Eyed Girl!!!!

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brown eyed girl

Subject: The Hawk!

Hmmmmm....I wonder what The Hawk meant when he said that he won't be having any rough sex soon?.....;-D

If link doesn't work try.....http://www.torontosun.com....Noooooo.....I don't read this pictorial paper.......quote was on the cover......

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Brien Sz

Subject: Stones plus

I'm in the boat that Some Girls was the last great Stones album. Some other albums have had songs but nothing of consequence. If I had to pick their most solid effort (IMO) since Some Girls, I'd have to say Steel Wheels. It has a number of good party songs and rock songs, as well as its share of filler.

Now as of the question of the relevance nowadays of the Stones- Their old - their an oldies act of ass kickin' rock-n-roll from a different era - the music they put out is of little consequence and influnence. Hell, I'd say most rock artists don't put out ass kickin' rock-n-roll after 40, 35 maybe. What the hell does someone over those ages have to rebel against, be angry about, express confusion and young love and passion in a rock-n-roll sense? Look at those coveted artists that have been mentioned in here Elton John, come on, what has he done rock-n-roll wise in the last 20 years, Bruce, in the last 15 years? CSN? The Dead? How relevant is any of the music they have put out since their suppossed peaks. I'd say maybe David Bowie is about the one artist from that era that has tried to evolve and embrace the way rock has moved. Aerosmith, still rocks but it seems almost too manufactured, too corporate. Let's face it - Rock has come a long way and what Rock is today is a long way from what it was..,

As for artists who have that magnetism that Peter V. brought up - throw in Barry Manilow. I hate his music but I brought my wife to see him as a Valentines Day present, say what you will, he captures that audience and knows how to put on an entertaining show.

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Fred

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JTull Fan

Subject: Now I am bumbed:

No one commented on my Stones link a few scrolls down. Very interesting article on finances, the buisiness of touring, royalties, etc. etc.

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bassmanlee

Subject: Stowing thrones at rolling bones

Doesn't this whole Stones thing kinda miss the point? It's not an issue of whether the Stones are any good - they definitely are, especially now that we're left with the highly professional/and or sufficiently savant, accompanied by savy hired hands - they can still pull it off, and are resurrecting a lot of their back catalog this time out. The issue is are they still relevent? (Especially at those prices!)

Now I'll admit they never grabbed me as much as say, The Beatles, Clapton, Hendrix, or The Band, but they made some great records in their day, and a handful of mediocre ones thereafter. After Some Girls (which has some filler on it) has there really been a great Stones record? They were a good band that could get on the radio, made great party music, and every bar band should have a few Stones tunes up their sleeves to get the tail feathers shakin'. They've basically been their own tribute band for some time now, haven't they? "Stones Lite" Aerosmith is more creative and more credible these days. And BTW although I consider myself a not-so-closet Deadhead, the same arguement can be applied to them as well. (Or The Who for that matter.)

PS - I wish, Roz, I wish. Playing is on hiatus these days. Just a few days away from the day job puttering around the estate. (Man are my thumbs sore!) But it's nice to be missed. Didn't get it together for JWB at North Star, either. Hope they'll come back around.

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John D

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John D

I shouldn't admit this Peter...I mean Otis did it best.........BUT........I used to love hearing Tom Jones singing Hard To Handle. Saw him do it on his TV show over here. Tom Jones has a great Welsh soul.

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richie

Subject: all sorts

al . thanks once again. how the hell did i get the impression that you were irish. must be my glasses. liverpool or everton?. peter. great piece on whispering pines. richard manuel was touched by the divine with his voice. your article does him great service. back to the old stones live chestnut. at the risk of having lightning demolish my house dont you think you are being unduly harsh on get your yy's out. great music, great banter from mick. charlie's good tonight inne! i think the stones being below par performance at altamont was understandable given the bunch of deranged hells angels at stage left who'd murdered one poor bastard, beaten the daylights out of several members of the audience and probably were itching do dish out more of the same to the stones. even jesus christ would have struggled under those circumstances. still, rock of ages is the best live album ever, so the band definitely has one up on the stones in the live album dept, and for that matter everyone else. question.peter, is whispering pines available over here. please let me know. peace rich.

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Bones

David Powell: Great list from 1968! I would go on to add some Motown albums from that same year: Love Child by the Supremes, For Once In My Life by Stevie Wonder, You're All I Need by Gaye/Terrell, Supremes Join The Temptations, I Heard It Through The Grapevine by Marvin Gaye. These were great albums that all came out in 1968 I believe.

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Bayou Sam

I'm just thinking how interesting it would be to hear the Stones take a shot at some of The Band's tunes. Jagger did do "Long Black Veil". I know that's not a Band original, but still..... It would even be wild to hear them do "The Weight" in thier own style (simplistic as it may be).........I can hear the chants of "kill Sam, kill Sam" now.

I couldn't agree less (respectfully of course), that The Band could do any Stones song.....Damn it! Now I've gone ahead and compared them. See what you people made me do.

Peter - interesting observations regarding charisma, and the Band's stage set-up...Also - you've made mention a few times about your permanent cd's that are in the car with you. I'd love to see that list of your permanents if you wouldn't mind listing them.

Soneone mentioned the Stones' "Far Away Eyes" recently in here. What a great tune. I ain't heard that in ages. Ron Wood on the pedal steel if I'm not mistaken.

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Pat Brennan

Hank, Ennis south of Galway. I answered it as best as I could. I grew to dislike being on the road for extended periods, so it would have to be pretty big money. However, if halfway through the tour I got a call from Robbie and Levon to impersonate Richard's piano (forget the voice!!) on a Band reunion, I'd be gone in a second.

Dreaming, of course.

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Peter Viney

Dave- I recall times on tape when Rick Danko (solo) was inclined to say ‘How are you doing (Philly)?’

Richie – btw, I wasn’t putting down Tom Jones. I spent several weeks at two shows a night literally lying at his highly polished feet in the wings while I controlled his mic cable (i.e, let it out, and pulled it back in those days before radio mics). For several other weeks I controlled one of the follow spots so got to see the show from out front. I saw Frankie Vaughan (12 weeks at two shows a night) more often than Tom, but I probably saw Tom more than anyone else since. Though far shorter than he is on TV, I’d rate Tom as a ‘Prince among men’ in that he’d speak to a lowly stagehand, and even seek approval- he knew ‘Detroit City’ was my favourite number and would lean down and say ‘What about that one (boyo)!’ when he really kicked ass on stage – and believe me, 34 years ago, Tom could REALLY kick ass on stage, in spite of the obligatory tux. And he had a shit-hot bunch of session guys behind him. Actually, I don’t remember that he actually said ‘boyo’ but the anecdote sounds better that way. I’m sure he didn’t. But Max Boyce would have. But mainly, Tom’s recorded output is not my sort of music.

And Al is a lucky bastard. Don’t be the one who keeps shouting ‘Rosalita!!!’ though. Ruins the bootlegs.

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Pehr

Al Edge I enjoyed your post there, though I may have mis-understood. And Pat B, I dont mean to argue, I rather enjoy comparing notes with you.

Al, when I first heard the band it changed the course of my life significantly. I went in whole new directions. The Stones affected me more in a second hand way, it was in the culture, and on the radio.

Maybe we all agree on this, at least I do. Neither group has anything to prove, really...

Pat, the complexity of music can be objectified, but it still goes beyond chords and melody. The Stones have more complex rhythms, more complex orchestration, and more complex production than the band IMHO. And as I said before somewhere, complex doesnt mean better.

Excuse me if I'm pedantic. I probably am. I am genuinely interested in this thread though.

dont most of these songwriters have arrangers they work with anyway, at least to bounce ideas off of. I know a friend that is Keith Richard's arranger (big whoop), but my point is that he's worked with Garth too. There is a collaborative community in music that, well judging who does what could be dodgy.

The Stones have a different Raison d' etre than the Band.

A song like "Unfaithful Servant" isn't what they are about. They are about the street, perhaps the gutter. In the shoes of the Unfaithful servant, I dont think they'd give a shit. The Band would, and did. They can get low down BTF,'74 and when they do alot of their fans complain.

I think my point is that both use the appropriate amount of technique for their intended aesthetic objective, no more or less. That counts big in my way of thinking. The bands that follow bands like these are incapable of understanding that concept, they copy and follow and over do themselves. Just about everybody, IMHO from the 80's was guilty of this on the radio. No offense REO, ASIA, Styx Supertramp, Kansas, fans, etc. But thats just me.

Kalervo, I cant help it. I find todays music boring, overproduced and pretentious and uninteresting in the extreme. I hope that changes. Most of the people I buy and listen too are dead, but they live on because they achieved giant stature, greatness, that I dont expect Bruce Cockburn or the Vines or the Hives to. If they do, great , but I dont see it. People told me this same thing when the Cars and the Police came out. I'm glad I trusted my instincts and still do. I'm not slagging you, just honestly telling to when I hear the adult contemporary radio station here (KGSR) I want to puke. I cant help it. I'd be happier if I liked more art and music but...

Parting shots. I hate lyrics that whine about love except Buddy Holly and maybe the Everly's and Beatles. I detest all strummers and male lead singers with high voices (not counting falsetto's of Richard and Al Green, Curtis Mayfield.

Link Wray and Iggy'll dust em all off. They'll never make them ol' bluez rekkidz like that again.

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Dave Z

The Rolling Stones are great!!!... Dangerous 60's cultural sounds... but for the same money you can probably... now see the JWB, BBs, Crowmatix and the Hudsons... all of them... 4 separate shows... and at smaller venues... Ok, travel expenses not included in some instances...

Neil Diamond, it's probably the name, huh?... Dry your eyes and hang in here... I enjoy your GB posts... Also, thanks Pete for the Chicago story... and Bill/Lance for sharing something special...

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Hank

Subject: Round and Round and Round we go!..........

Pat Brennan: you did NOT answer the question!

Well, actually, you answered like a Kerryman.....with another question!

Got Kerry blood in ya?

So I repeat: Would you play with The Rolling Stones or not?

Let's assume the money is to your, uh, "satisfaction" (Ha! Ha!)

The GB waits with bated breath........

Watch this space, folks.....or possibly the spaces above this space.........

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JTull Fan

Subject: Major Stones article in FORTUNE magazine

This may not be the widest read publication out here, but the link is for a 5 page article on the business side of the Stones. Very, very enlightening.

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Al Edge

Subject: Where I'm from

Cheers Rich,

Just thought I'd clarify my origins.

Once a Scouse always a Scouse. Stick of rock and all that caper. Bit like you Taffies as I know only too well.

PS. I'll send you a postcard from The Seine :-)

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Al Edge

I think this whole debate sparked by Pat's submission re The Band's superiority over The Stones has been fascinating for a variety of reasons, not least that it has really flushed out some of the intrinsic loyalties of many on here. And I don't mean that with any veiled or snide inference by the way. Merely a reflection on what has been said.

I must admit to being taken by surprise at the fact that there were those on here that would NOT automatically agree with Pat. In fact I had to re-read several of the initial responses to make sure I had understood the points being made regarding the support for The Stones prominence within rock circles. It shows, of course, that you can never and should never take anything for granted.

As someone who grew up with The Stones very best right back to their first single 'Come On' - and loving it all along with so much other great music from the same era - I suppose I had naively assumed that other GB'ers would have philosophies regarding The Band identical to the ones I rapidly absorbed once I had discovered The Band's unique Big Pink offerings in 1968. To me nothing before nor since has ever come remotely near to matching what I experienced back then or with the subsequent album.

Of course, like with every other person on this website I have built on and developed the eclectic taste for decent music that I had always harboured pretty subliminally. My own likes range so far with so many personal favourites that I could scarcely begin to list them.

The point is though that despite them all bringing so much enrichment to my life, none have ever managed to quite press the same buttons as The Band did all those years back.

Now to unearth exactly why that is I would perhaps have to read through some of that pretty involved and cathartic stuff I wrote when I first came on this site.

One thing I would say is that, my attachment is most certainly not a cerebral one. The Band's music might well be intricate and sophisticated due to the mighty Garth. But I do not believe that is the main ingredient that reaches me.

Rather I would say it is that unique sense of community and integrity in the singing and playing. The sense of fun and spontaneity, forinstance, in 'We can talk about it' which I just don't recall hearing any other artists ever remotely approaching. It was as if you were being allowed to eavesdrop on a lively pub conversation in some remote country village. It was simply wondrous. That almost tangible feeling of it being ordinary working folk's music as opposed to the music of the radio or the concert hall.

I always feel that The Band directed their music at the sensibilities of the ordinary Joe. That they wanted the ordinary Joe to join in with their community. To be a part of it. That was the pull this particular ordinary Joe felt at any rate.

Sadly not that many other ordinary Joes picked up on what was on offer. Most preferred the more accessible impact of artists like The Stones.

This, of course, brings me rather conveniently back to the debate and perhaps might explain to some of you ardent Band fans who also adore The Stones why I never suspected for a single minute that anybody else on here would not feel exactly the same as me about The Band and their place in rock and society's pantheon.

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Chris

Subject: Stones...yet again

I'm sure it's been covered...but there are tight Band connections to The Rolling Stones. Blondie Chaplin and Bobby Keys are the main ones. The others I guess can be talked about some other time.

For all those folks out there that second guess The Stones ability to "Rip This Joint" you really have to reconsider. The link above is to a review from the Aragon show. I wouldn't have posted it but seeing as how everyone seems to be on the subject I thought you would like it.

Bobby Keys was absolutely fantastic last night. The set list was amazing. Lots of treats.

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richie

Subject: reply to al edge .

dear al. after a stressful day working in an eductional establishement for young offenders and school phobics, your kind words were just what the doctor ordered. your wife has tought you well. youv got the welsh valleys thing down to a fine art. can i just say that my last visit to ireland was in 1985 for the boss's slane castle gig. your countrymen were as friendly and hospitable as any welsh folks iv known.a memorable weekend that. for god's sake though dont spread the word about max boyce. wev only just aquired a decent music scene,ie the manics,super furries etc. wev only just recovered having to live down max, bonnie tyler and shakin bloody stevens, i always thought tom jones was cool not forgetting the great john cale. best wishes and enjoy bruce you lucky bastard. rich.

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Gilberta iman

Dave, How great to see a "poster" from the Great Energy of Berkeley" I'll be in your neighborhood at the end of the month. Do you know my friend, Michael Franti? Are you familiar with his music ? ( I supposed you'd HAVE to be, coming from your town !) He's a good friend, positive artist and warm-hearted family man. Can you fly to the East in October ? He's playing NYC and we can all hang out . Tara will be here also, I think. Don't know about the youngster.....although he loves that tour bus !!!!

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bob wigo

I guess I'm thinking differently about the point you are making. I can't see where these dismissals are coming from. Certainly not from me.

Can we agree on the "simplicity" of The Band's music?

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Pat Brennan

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bob wigo

Pat,

I don't believe anyone is dismissing the capabilities of Garth Hudson or The Band as a whole. There is no question as to their musical acumen. The issue of whether or not the Stones are, or ever were, capable of making music as complex as The Band is really moot. Do (or did) they have someone of Garth's caliber ? An obvious NO. Could they have sought someone out if their choice of musical styles led them in another direction ? Of course. While there will only ever be one Garth Hudson there are many (as you well know) highly accomplished and diverse musicians available to provide the "complexity".

Why was Garth sought out? Clearly because the members of the existing band saw the possibilities he presented to help them create a very unique musical product. And, frankly, there was no one among them with the particular skills Garth brought to the process. Why Nicky Hopkins? Why Mick Taylor? Why were any of the Stones choices made? Obviously, those musicians provided a vital aspect of the sound they were seeking at a given point in their evolution as a band.

Rather than complex versus simple it just boils down to choices of musical style and the pursuit of the sound in the songwriter's head.

Honestly, it all works for me. It's solely a matter of mood.

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Dave the Phone Guy

Some folks go to shows for "the Show",others like me always go for just the pure music or soul of it as was mentioned.Believe me, they got over live, no doubt about that.People that were expecting Elvis/Jagger type moves and words spoken to the audience may have been disappointed at first, but The Band would get you in the palm of their hands with the awesome power of the music.I still remember "Volcano" being performed at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles.That was some hard-rockin' stuff with the emphasis on hard-rockin'.Please don't doubt The Band's ability to rock during live performance.Their groove was automatic and strong.

While The Stones were warming up for Little Feat, The Band fans enjoyed a cold one up in the lobby. JUST KIDDING! I like The Stones and you can't compare apples and oranges.How 'bout a battle of the bands where the musicians don't bring instruments they put on boxing gloves instead.

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Randy

Subject: The Band

Well done site, nice to see such a nice compilation of material on The Band. A bit off the current Stones topic, but thought some of you might be interested in the link above.

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Empty Now

Sorry David Powel, i wrote my last post before reading yours. It fit into your subject, and i take the opportunity of confessing i consider you amongst the most qualified GBers to give credible answers to my post below.

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Bumbles

Subject: The Hawk's Link

JOHN_D: It didn't.

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John D

NO THE LINK DID NOT WORK. Just type Toronto Star into Google and today's paper will come up and hit entertainment in the mast head and scroll down. Click for full story.

David Foster....his wife.........and first wife..........Paul Anka (Huh?)............Bill Clinton............Don Tyson........... were all on hand. No Band members; although Ronnie is going to get a star on the walk of fame on Oct. 4 in front of HMV records on Yonge........the site of the original Le Coq 'Dor. Robbie apparently is coming up for that. Ronnie will also get key to the city. Levon in town Thursday night I am told.

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Toddman

Subject: Re: Live Stones-Live Band

Peter,

I agree with you on your point about the line up of The Band onstage. It was a little unconventional, and did seem to eschew the traditional audience/performer relationship.

That being said, I seem to remember reading a comment from (I think) Levon, in which he said something to the effect of the stage formation being developed over the years with regard to each of the members maintaining certain "sight lines" with each other. In my understanding of this, their set up would result in Levon and Rick being able to look at one another as they played, keeping the bass and drums together. Robbie, being between them could easily look left or right as necessary. This did seem to put the music first, even if it was at the expense of showmanship.

Regarding the Stones: Although 'Love You Live' might not live up to it's listings of 'best live albums', I kind of like the intimate feeling of the (El Mocambo Side) where they do: Mannish Boy, Crackin' up, Little Red Rooster, and Around and Around. I think that a lot of The Stones humor comes aross in this club recording which doesn't always surface in the stadium shows.

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John D

Subject: The Hawk

Hope The Above Link Works.

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John D

Lightfoot is still in intensive care. Doubt if you'll see him for awhile.....especially the 20th.

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WS Walcott

I just got a sealed copy (LP) of "Carny" for 99 cents. I already have a copy but the price was so good I couldn't resist. Think I will leave it sealed.

Lightfoot is supposed to play here Fri. 20th. No word yet on when or if he will reschedule. I got a feeling if he does play here, tickets will sell briskly. People are always drawn to tragedy for some strange reason.

Anybody remember the comedian Emo Phillips? I think he is great. He will be here in a few months, along with some other comics. Thinking about checking that one out.

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Bumbles

Subject: Bill's Dinner w/Ronnie

Saw this in Page Six of today's New York Post (read it all---Band-related content at end):

"BILL Clinton was careful to keep a three-foot distance between himself and lovely blonde Belinda Stronach as they exited the Four Seasons hotel in Toronto. But it didn't stop photographers from snapping their picture, especially when Clinton gave her a peck on the cheek before she got into her car. Stronach, chairman of the Decoma International auto parts company, and Bill were both guests at the birthday party for country singer Ronnie Hawkins, just out of the hospital following cancer surgery."

I wonder if the great reunion took place. Anything in the Canadian papers? The Hawk has taken a beating in the gossip pages of the New York papers. Last week's Daily News identified him as a former member of Bob Dylan's backing band, and the Post tags him as a country singer, which is actually closer to the mark. Considering the reason behind all the attention, I'm sure he'd rather not have been mentioned at all.

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Pat Brennan

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Empty Now

'The days of Pearly Spencer' by David McWilliams, remains since 1968 an unforgotten song with wonderful orchestral arrangements and splendid poetic lyrics. Thanks in advance to everyone could inform me on several points concerning the lyrics more specially. Apologies for my ignorance.

1) Both lyrics and music author, like it is printed on the original single, is David McWilliams himself, while i read in the rock encyclopedia that lyrics are assigned to Mark Hammond. Who is the actual author ?
2) An apocalyptic athmospher turns around the text, each context does it refer to ?
3) Who is exactly Pearly Spencer ?
4) In the chorus 'The race is almost run', which race is exactly concerned ?

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Lead-Foot Lil

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Diamond Lil

Peter: Heheh.. I can completely relate to that 15-20mph speed increase while listening to certain music in the car. I am soooo guilty of that (those of you who have driven with me.. um..shut up, ok? :-)
More than once have I found myself going waaaay too fast on a highway because of really getting into whatever was playing. The one that sticks out in my mind the most was last New Years Eve... driving from here down to Long Island (about a 2 hour drive). My 18 year old son had never driven down there before.. and he was following me in his car. We got onto one of those highways where you get mowed down in normal circumstances if you're doing 60 in the slow lane.. and I found myself at some point cranking up some tune that came on the radio..and looked down to find I was doing almost _95_. Arrghh. The thing that got me most was the fact that my son.. was right on my bumper! Suffice it to say I slowed down.. and have tried to be more careful ever since (yeah right).

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

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Peter Viney

The key comment on The Stones was that point about hearing the cow bells on the start of ‘Honky Tonk Women’ and having to turn up the volume. Just now I was in the car with a ‘British classics compilation’ CD on, and as the chords to Brown Sugar started, I automatically lifted the volume in exactly the same way. Infectious stuff. So strong is this desire to ‘crank up the volume’ that I banned my own Rolling Stones compilation from a permanent place in the car several years ago, because I found that (a) I turned up the volume and (b) I drove about 15 – 20 mph faster. Which is risky with our camera-studded motorways. That’s why when I was listening last week to the ‘Singles Collection, Vol 3’ I put it on in a heavy traffic situation, not on the open motorway.

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Peter Viney

It’s funny- the Stephen Davis book has account after account of “appalling” performances by The Stones - on their own admission too. Tales of Ronnie and Keith playing different songs even (and not knowing). I know it’s on lists of ‘best live albums’ but I think ‘ Get Yer Ya Ya’s Out’ is abysmal, and ‘Love You Live’ worse- I foolishly bought both. The Altamont performance on film was dire, for that matter. I said this once before and a kind friend sent me an actual extremely good boot of the Stones live (and such offers are never rejected if someone wants to prove me wrong!). The Band on RoA, TLW and "Watkins Glen" are superb on live recordings. Whatever, the Stones can cut through sometimes inept playing and the audience find them superb. Jagger has charisma of Adolf Hitler proportions. Certain people have enormous charisma that fills a hall - Dylan on a good night. Paul McCartney too. Muddy Waters with lots to spare. I wondered if it was just success that created it, but I think not. Some ‘middle-rank’ performers have a fair bit of it- Bryan Ferry for example.

I brought this up before, but The Band crucially lacked that spark of charisma which has nothing to do with musical performance or quality. Paul Simon lacks it, though like the Band sheer quality and experience transcends that. Some artists I really don’t like have charisma – Tom Jones has a ton of it. I’m told that in the Hot August Night era, Neil Diamond had it. It’s a magic thing, transmitted through the ether, and not connected with either liking or truth or quality. The Band deliberately set out to avoid that style- accounts of them soon after leaving Hawkins describes them looking at each other, not the audience. Maybe the years behind Hawkins got them tired of charismatic performances. The fragments like Woodstock Lost performances (soon out on DVD) back that up. I think some of the ire directed towards The Last Waltz is because Robbie was trying to force a charismatic role that was alien to them. The 90s Band had everything except it. I found even their stage positioning and set up was almost willfully designed to avoid it. They lined up really badly on stage, with Levon stuck off to one side, partly invisible among the cymbals. No one else ever put the drummer at the side. I guess it made it easier to get back and forth to mandolin and bass. They could have surely done with a touch of expert outside help here. I suspect that Mick Jagger (as long as wasn’t involved himself which would have brought his narcissism into play) could have cast an eye and said (as I did to myself), ‘Shit! Put Levon on a big drum riser sharing the centre. Let’s have Garth right up on a riser too. Stick Rick between them. Let’s get the three principles at matching eye levels, central and well-lit.’ Mick knows that for the audience there is a division between the ‘originals’ and ‘new guys’. When I saw them at Cambridge, I would say that Jim Weider, Randy Ciarlante and Richard Bell were largely carrying the show musically, so it would have been intrinsically unfair to them, but that’s exactly how The Stones do it.

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Al Edge

No offence taken Richie. Just the opposite in fact. In my usual sick-minded perverse and despicable way it's often pleasurable to see the evidence of having touched a raw nerve. I can see why I did now. Four Stones albums in the top ten best ever!!!!! Fuckinell man, don't they teach you anything about taste in dem valleys???

Joke - honest Rich. I have read your posts with avid interest even during the spell I wasn't posting and your musical knowledge is second to none. As is your movie knowledge. I'm gonna make you jealous now tho. I'm off to Paris, Barcelona and Wemblee to see the great man himself on his Rising tour. Easy Jet do cheap flights - £30 - to both Paris and Barcelona. Green round the gills mate?? I'll remember you to him. Incidentally my missus is from the top of the Rhymney valley - pity she's not still there. Another joke. I married her in 1972 and haven't been the same since - valley girl see boyo [you'll get me drift Richie]. I absolutely love South Walians. They are the most friendly, warm and generous folk you could get anywhere. In fact if it wasn't for Max Boyce we'd have moved back there years ago.

Pat - one hundred percent Scouse and proud - tho as 99% of us came from land of the little people I guess you're kind of right

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richie

Subject: comparisons

would anyone compare the band and jimi hendrix? no? i thought not. have a good day everyone.

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Long Distance Operator

This whole "MY favorite band can beat up YOUR favorite band" thread reminded me of an old anecdote involving none other than Mick Jagger and the inimitable Bob Dylan.

Back in the day, there was quite a rivalry between Dylan and Jagger. Bob supposedly once sneered to Jagger, "I could have written 'Satisfaction', but you couldn't write 'Mr. Tambourine Man'". Years later, Jagger was reminded of that quote in a Rolling Stone interview. His answer was brilliant. "Yeah", he said, "but could he sing it?"

It's profound in it's simplicity. Jagger has been hugely successful with his knack for getting the sex thing over, but that's never really been Bob's forte. Dylan would have as hard a time selling "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" as Mick would have penning "Mr. Tambourine Man". A classic pissing match between two rock gods!

There really is no right answer. It's only rock and roll. One thing about the Stones though, is they NEVER cheat their audience. The same can't be said for many of their contemporaries. Love them or hate them, but you have to admire their sheer professionalism of The Rolling Stones. Consistent live performance shouldn't be underestimated.

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Dave Hopkins

Charlie: Good to hear about National Geographic trying to get hip. Of course, if it really *was* hip, it would know that the former Robert Zimmerman was born in Duluth, not Hibbing.

The Stones debate is interesting, and I applaud Pat in particular for having the guts to challenge the conventional wisdom about the Stones...as in best R&R band ever, etc. etc. I'm not sure what I think on the subject, but I appreciate the discussion nonetheless.

Seems to me that there are two independent dimensions that can be used for evaluating musicians/bands: technical proficiency, which is relatively straightforward to define, and something that for lack of a more precise term I'll call "soul"; I'm sure you get at what I mean by that (energy, emotion, intuition, good group dynamics, and the like). And of course, part of what's so amazing about the Band is how well it rates on both scales; to be sure, all five players were masters of their instruments, and Garth Hudson in particular had and has astonishing pure technique, but they also had soul. Now I'm one of those people who, if forced to choose, prefer soul to virtuosity if it comes down to that; for example, I'd much rather listen to Crazy Horse than...well, I don't want to upset anybody by naming any names, but you get the idea. But to have a large quantity of both attributes is quite rare, and is at least partly why the Band is so special.

Now, I agree with Pat that the Stones couldn't hold a candle to the Band on a tune like "The Unfaithful Servant." That doesn't mean that the Stones should be dismissed; they're great at what they do, or at least they used to be. Catchy riffs, spirited, slightly sloppy performances, and lyrics either about gettin' it on or putting other people down--these are Stones specialties. But, chord voicings and the like aside, there's a subtlety in the Band's performance of "TUS" that I don't hear the Stones matching. Just like, though I'd love to hear the attempts, I probably wouldn't prefer the Band's versions of "Get Off Of My Cloud" or "Tumbling Dice," just because they depend on a certain over-the-top groove that the Band never really cooked up, at least after the '66 Dylan tour.

As usual, Peter Viney's article on the Richard Manuel disc is a must-read, especially for those of us who haven't yet taken the trouble to track down the album. Thanks, Peter!

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Laura

Subject: The Strolling Bones

Love the posts on The Stones and The Band. My two favorite groups! I agree that they are apples and oranges but who cares! I have my tickets for the January show here in Houston. They will probably all look like ants to me on stage ...depending on how bad my seats are LOL! BUT...I have always had a great time at their shows and look forward to this one like I have all the others. "Beggars Banquet" "Let it Bleed" and Exile on Main Street" are the best recording IMHO. "Sticky Fingers" is a great one too especially if your on alot of drugs. "Can't you hear me knocking" is such a great song to listen to really loud. I have blown many a speakers listening to that one! Question for any GB'ers out there that might know this. Was Robbie the original creative consultant on Chuck Berry's "Hail Hail Rock and Roll" but then later turned it over to Keith because Berry was such an asshole regarding the whole project or was it the other way around?? I'm thinking that Keith turned it over to Robbie because he was sick of taking crap from Berry during the making of the picture. It's been a good while and my memory is fuzzy. Have a good day everyone!

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Kalervo

Subject: Boooring old stuff

Forgive everybody, but probably there isn' t more boring subject in the world than Stones. Everything worthwhile has been said about 20 years ago...

I understand that in these kinds of web sites the emphasize is on nostalgia, but I really hope to read even few messages on today' s music. To me it is exciting to wait a new Bruce Cockburn album soon, or will the Delgados' new album be so brilliant as their last one etc.... There is so much wonderful music around, and some waste their lives on old boring millionaires and their over, over, over, over, over, over exposed music....

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richie

Subject: bandvstones pt 2

dear al. apologies for the fruity language, but in answer to your question, yes. there are at least 4 stones albums that might appear in any top 10 list greatest albums of all time. also,they released possibly the greatest ever studio double album, no mean feat considering the concept of the double album became a byword for 'dissapointment'. also the stones, consistently over the years have delivered electrifying live performances. iv seen them about 10 times. each gig was blinding. were the band as consistent live? im not so sure. certainly, the one time i saw the band live, (the forum 1996), they were a complete and utter disaster. as i said, both groups are equally valid.

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BWNWITennessee

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Pat Brennan

And I'm supposed to go to the King Crimson site?

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rosalind

Subject: Bob

Yeah Bob, Thanks for livin'. He was always the voice of his generation and still is. With his last two releases he has proven it once again. I love it when those that fly so high and are so detached come down to earth in their older years and tell it like it really is. It's good for hearts to know that Bob is just a sap for love and still, after years and years of being "Hip" that he's just a good old boy like everybody else... But I still want to know why "One More Cup of Coffee" is so damned short!

"There was a time...when lonely men would wonder...

..thru this world...rollin' aimlessly along..

So many times.. I've heard of their sad stories..

...written in the words of dead men's songs..." ~ John Prine ~

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BWNWITennessee

The story about the dog barking at the car horn reminded me that I was on a trip recently to a different city, and there was this giant statue, like about ten feet tall, of some historical figure. These people came walking up with a dog, and all of a sudden the dog just freaked out when he saw the statue. He was just barking up a storm and growling and running around this statue, for about five minutes. It was hilarious.

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Long Distance Operator

Wow. I was almost afraid to come here today after my last post, because I thought I would be flamed. I regretted the harsh edge to some of my words, but I felt strongly about defending the honor of a band I love. The only reason I took the criticism of the Stones so personally is that I respect the opinions of the people who post in here. When you love something as much as I love the Stones, and they are insulted by people you respect, it hurts.

The comparisons of The Band and the Stones are futile. Apples and oranges, right? You CAN love them both, as Bayou Sam declared, and I'm living proof! I would never diminish one in praise of the other.

I saw the Stones twice this month. Once again, they delivered a highly entertaining evening of robust music. We have no right to see this close a facsimile of The Rolling Stones in 2002, but there they are! It could have been 1969, 1976, 1981, or 1989. It's still Mick, still Keith, and still the Stones. No self-parody here, because they can still pull off "being the Stones", without compromise, after 40 freakin' years! Nobody works a room like Mick Jagger, even if the "room" is a football stadium. Somebody in here said that he can hold 50,000 people in the palm of his hand, and it's the truth. That's an extremely rare ability, folks. You can't teach it. You either have it, or you don't. And Keith Richards has to be listed among the greatest rhythm guitar players of all time. His catalog of hits speaks for itself.

I have often said that Bob Dylan was penalized for living. Had he died in the motorcycle crash, he'd be cannonized. Had he expired after "Blood On The Tracks", he'd be revered forever. Instead, he literally became a punchline for the better part of 20 years. It wasn't fair, but life never is. Death was a tremendous career move for Jim Morrison and Kurt Cobain because they never had to get old. It's also a coward's end, as Warren Zevon recently said. Bob Dylan persevered, and I thank him for continuing to enhance the quality of my life with his genius. Thanks for living Bob.

Peace. -LDO

PS- Where does "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" rank in the Pantheon Of Complex But Lovable Rock Songs? ;-)

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Charlie Young

Subject: Dylan's Hometown in NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC

Once again, the times they are a-changing: quiet, conservative old NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC magazine is getting hip on us. The October issue devotes five full pages to Hibbing, Minnesota (with lots of photos, of course) just because his Bobness, Mr. D, was "born and partly raised" there. The exterior photo of his childhood home looks pretty stark and explains a lot about Bob. The article mentions a Dylan theme bar/restaurant called Zimmy's that sounds like it would be the sort of place some of this cyber group might hang out at in real life.

Now back to the Stones...

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Quinn The Eskimo

Subject: Stones

My favorite memory of the Stones was listening to “Let It Bleed” way back in high school at a friend’s house. My friend had a dachshund named Schultz who used to lie on my friend’s bed in his room while we listened to albums. If you remember "Country Honk," you'll recall the car horn at the beginning and end of the song. When that came on, Schultz would get up, jump off the bed, and run downstairs to the front door and bark like crazy. After a while he would give up and return to the bedroom, jump up onto the bed, and resume his supine position. Of course, this was just in time for the end of the song, and another honk - which sent poor Schultz off on another mission furiously guarding the front door. We loved that album, not only for its effect on poor Schultz. IMHO its certainly one of their two best, but I think that I would give Beggars Banquet the slight edge, among the two.

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Pat Brennan

Pehr, musical complexity can be objectively identified. Check out the chordings on the site here, especially the Garth influenced bass line and the equally Garth influenced B section, which is totally unlike anything the Stones have ever recorded. It is typical of the kind of complexity (and subject matter) that the Stones cannot touch. Like I said before, the Band could play any Stones song, but the Stones wouldn't know what to do with much of the Band canon. Garth is certainly one of the reasons.

I agree YCAGWW is quite good, mostly because of Al Kooper and that choir.

Considering the treatment accorded Nicky Hopkins by the Stones camp, I think his being name-checked here is ironic.

I was intrigued by Paul Roberts' Rolling Stone magazine reference. Since the mag premiered in 68 or 69, do any of the superlatives heaped upon the group in Robbie's speech apply at that particular point in time? Some historical revisionism perhaps?

BTW, if I need that roll-down-the-window, crank-the-radio moment, give me the first 20 seconds of Rock and Roll Doctor.

And, please, this is all in good fun. Neil Diamond, what do you think of the Stones?

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Charlie Young

Subject: 1968

David Powell: 1968 (the release year of BIG PINK and all those other great discs you mention) was also a turning point year as sort of the last gasp for stuff like Herb Alpert and Paul Mauriat hitting high on the pop charts. By 1969, bands like Led Zeppelin, Blind Faith and CCR were high on the top album list and there was no "easy listening" in sight...[why do I feel like Casey Kasem all of a sudden?].

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rosalind

Subject: The Stones

I wouldn't even listen to The Stones for a long time after I found out about the GP rips. But dang it, They're fun! Fun to watch and great fun to listen and dance to. They're like a highly dysfunctional family with tons of soul. Kind of like the GB here.

Brown eyed Girl mentioned the feminist backlash created by some of the Stones albums. Remember the one over "Some Girls"? What was that line? "Black girls just wanna get.....all night and I don't have that much jam..."

Al Edge _ Wholesome, Refreshing girlie insight. I like that. I think yer funny and quite Okay...

Remember Scorsese and Rick walkin' back thru the hallway discussing what Shangri-la was. "It's a clubhouse, where ya get together, talk, play music" Yeah..it's nice...

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Bayou Sam

almost forgot.....Neil Diamond - don't go away man. I always considered myself somewhere in the middle between the musical giants, and the folks who just plain like the Band. Neither of the two is more important than the other. There are the occasional folks who think they are holier-than-thou. Just be amused by them.

Sometimes something a person says just dosen't strike much, if any, response. Don't take it personally......... IMHO, you went up a few notches when you had the balls to use "Neil Diamond" as a handle. That was funny.

Don't leave - hang out - it's only rock n roll.

Also, Long Distance Operator - nice post.

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Pehr

Pat B I get your point. My point is that Unf. serv. has a basic structure of 4 chords, yes some inversions, and voicings, relative minors, but I'm not sure that makes it more complex. Its not really that hard to play, at least in the sense of getting through it.

YCAGWYW is complex in total sound, and designed and orchestrated beautifully, the form follows the function. well, I here intresting inversions and jazz riffs off htat guitar and so on. But if you dont see it, you dont. I'd still put it up. complex chords arent the only criterion, IMHO. to Quote one of my heroes, (not) "Its a vision thing".

Unfaithful Servant is great, but compared to the Stones ycagwyw, they sound like 5 depressed amish guys or something.;) Apples and oranges. Oh well. The Stones play wicked ass Blues and Midnight Rambler will always kill me and they rock, just like the band.

But what am I doing sticking up for these Brit Rockers anyway? very out of character for me:) ttfn

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Bayou Sam

How did this Stones talk evolve into a comparison between them and The Band? Apples and Oranges, as someone recently posted.....You can like both bands - I'm living proof.

Someone please explain to me, I'm beggin' ya',why a song (especially rock n roll) has to be musically complex to be GOOD?

I took "Let It Bleed" with me today to listen to. I have the liner notes in front of me now. The core band is on almost every cut - then you have folks like Nicky Hopkins, Al Kooper, and Leo Russel sprinkled around. Brian Jones appears on a couple of tracks, and Mick Taylor is on some...BTW, Keith plays that cool bass intro to "Live With Me". It seems that whenever a Stones bass line catches my ear it's Keef playing it........Why are so many folks looking so deep into the Stones for something deeper? They are a great rock and roll band in the true sense of rock and roll. If you want a real crank it up, roll down the windows, get me another beer, dirty, in your face rock song - you can't do much better than "Brown Sugar"........and if you hear the opening cowbell on "Honky Tonk Women", and you DON'T turn it up..............

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Chris

Subject: Stones at The Aragon

Well I'm off to the show..doors are at 6:00 show at 8:00. Rumor has it that Dr. John is the opener. Might be a great evening. I'll fill ya in later.

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Pat Brennan

Popularity in and of itself means nothing to me. I think I can accurately and honestly say that the degree of popularity that The Band reached had absolutely nothing to do with my enjoyment of their music. I don't discount the Stones' show biz acumen, but if you are going to compare and contrast groups/singers based on that criterion, then you are in the Celine Dion/Brittney Spears part of the universe. There are plenty of Stones songs I like, all of them pretty old. I'd rate U2 as having delivered the goods better over a similiar period of time than the Stones. And I'd easily take Van Morrison's output over the same period of time as The Stones'. At any point, there were always many more bands that I liked.

David P., The Rascals' Once Upon A Dream.

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Calvin

The Stones are probably the most consistant band ever Paul. The Kinks are the only group I can think of who came close, managing to release high quality Albums unbroken from 1964 to around 1990, strangely they are much like the Stones. 2 Guys surrounded by whoever the feel like calling part of the group those days. The STones are certainly one of the most popular bands ever. I guess the point some of us have tried to make that the Stones are more perfromers than musicians. How long would you listen to the STones just jam without Mick on stage? Not long, not as long as you would the Band. But none of our 5 guys have ever been able to hold 50,000 people in the palm of their hands night in and night out like the Stones. Mick could be the greatest showman in R&R history. They just arent a "band" in the traditional sense, nor are the fantastic musicians. ALthough Charlie Watts is better than he is given credit for. Anyone ever pick up one of his jazz albums?

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Al Edge

So Richie, let me get this straight then. You saying you rate The Stones as highly as The Band?

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David Powell

Subject: The Year in Music: 1968

While going through all my albums not too long ago, I was reminded of just how many of my favorite albums were released in 1968. That had to have been one of the most incredible years in music for me. Here are just some of the releases that I can remember:

"Music From Big Pink", "The Beatles (White Album)", "Beggar's Banquet", "Electric Ladyland", "Astral Weeks" and two (!) from the Byrds ("Notorious Byrd Brothers" & "Sweetheart of the Rodeo") are at the top of my list. Then there's Van Dyke Parks' "Song Cycle", "The Songs of Leonard Cohen", Simon & Garfunkel's "Bookends", Cream's "Wheels of Fire", Creedence's self-titled album, Buffalo Springfield's "Last Time Around", Jefferson Airplane's "Crown of Creation", Frank Zappa's "We're Only In It For The Money", Fleetwood Mac's "English Rose" and Blood Sweat & Tears' (w/Al Kooper) "Child Is Father To The Man". By the way -- as I recall, Dylan's "John Wesley Harding" was released in late Dec. of 1967, so that album's sort of blended into the following year in my mind. I'm sure there's some more I can't remember. Anybody else have any other personal favorites from 1968?

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richie

Subject: bandvstones

to say that the stones cant hold a candle to the band as a band, with respect, is complete and utter bollocks. big pink and the brown album were seminal albums in the grand scheme of rock and roll. however bbanquet right through to exile were equally as vital as anything the band came up with. also those particular albums by the stones were not just majestic pieces of music, but they captured a mood, tapped into the zeitgeist as much as the band did with their work. stating that the Band were a superior group to the stones is an eronious argument. both bands are equally valid i would have thought.

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Al Edge

Hope this is ok MB. I've e mailed it to you and also put it on here as some may have missed it first time round.

DO NOT FORSAKE ME OH MY DARLING

The odour hung around ominously.

Foreboding? Perhaps. Fear? Maybe.

Call it what you will. We shall never really know for sure. That night in that narrow alley, whatever it was stalked nostrils desperate for something fresher.

Yet, in those moments that followed no change would come. No fresh pastures would materialise out of the thin air. The protagonists at either end of that alley were already set on their destinies. It was too late to stop now. Two worlds were about to collide. Two lives mapped out years before were now ready to discover what had laid in store for all those years.

Either side of them the ramshackle shanty pulsed with offers of refuge. Lights shone from caravan windows. The shadows formed offered them an escape. Beseeching them to accept a way out. Yet, in reality, the flickering lights merely emphasised the steely resolve etched deep across each of their faces. The easy option was spurned. The get-out clauses rejected out of hand. These were men who simply never turned back. This was their Tombstone. Their Dodge City. This was their alleyway of fate.

As they drew nearer, their eyes met. Bizarrely, it revealed disparate appetites for the momentous rendezvous about to unfurl.

The one oozed relish. The other, meanwhile in stark and sobering contrast, reeked of dread.

It was suddenly clear the stench of foreboding had emanated from one source alone; that those seemingly corresponding resolves had been fed by differing fuels. At once, an upper hand had been established. The rule of the jungle would apply here as anywhere. And this alleyway was no place for the faint-hearted.

The protagonist relishing his fate was now sprightly, hungry even; seemingly eager to pounce. The other was cagey, as if almost frozen in the glare of the spotlights from those caravan windows either side. He glanced almost desperately either side at the lights that shone on him. Now he would have taken any one of them to make his exit. To transport him away in some mythical ray. Now he prayed for a door to open to invite him in. Any light. Any door. Anything. A hole in the ground, even, to swallow him.

It was too late. Perhaps, it had always been too late. The sprightly one, the younger of the two was too nimble. Moved far too fast. Even before his older adversary had time to realise what was happening, he had flashed out his arm from his side and grasped the hand of his adversary.

It was as firm a handshake as he had ever conjured up.

"Don't mind I hope Van, lad. Respect mate!"

As they loosed go after what seemed like a shake that would last forever, the younger man walked off into the night. Smiling. Content. An over-enthusiastic fan off perhaps to bother others of similar repute amidst that backstage shanty. Garth? Richard? Rick? Meanwhile, Van Morrison stared disbelievingly at his hand; moulded as if putty. He wondered to himself whether he'd ever be able to play the piano again.

[Unofficial backstage ramble Nostell priory UK circa 1983 - The Band headlining]

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Paul Roberts

I dislike the GB when it turns this way, but since i feel attending a Stones autodafe, i just remember there is a serious witness for the defence. Anybody watched the TV document dedicated to the 25th birthday of the Rolling Stones magazine, which was commented by Robie Robertson, reminds what RR said when asked about the choice of the magazine title: ' It was natural that the magazine held the name of the most constant, the most popular, the most... group in rock history'

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Al Edge

First and I think INFINITELY most important. Neil Diamond/Crazy Chester. Not sure what it was that hurt your feelings mate but you should most certainly carry on posting. You are most definitely as much a part of this forum as anybody. I for one accepted you from day one as you know and when I've been on even as a lurker I have always enjoyed your straight to the point, honest style. It's wholesome and refreshing. A bit like Rosalind's but without the girlie insights. Keep on truckin' la.

Good banter re the Stones but apart from Pete Viney's insight possibly a bit of a misleading kerfuffle on the whole.

Thing is I think a few on here have kind of missed the point if I'm not mistaken. In fact, it's almost as if they were Stones fans who had a chip on their shoulder about The teeny weeny Stones being victimised on the masive ultra acclaimed Band's website!!!!!!!!!!!! Amazing stuff.

I don't think even Pat Brennan was actually knocking The Stones for what they are or what they've done. I certainly wasn't as I absolutely love loads of their stuff if at the same time I'm not that sold on any of them save Charlie as human beings. The point is tho, as great as they have been - and there is surely NO question of that - they simply cannot hold a candle to The Band as a band.

The thing which myself and I think Pat and a few others were driving at was that on the whole they have tended if anything to be overrated - especially live [compare Jagger forinstance with Brucie - utterly different class and I've seen both many many times] - by most punters whereas by comparison The Band have been massively underrated.

It doesn't mean we all sit there like ice boxes when the likes of Brown sugar and Tumbling dice are belting out. I mean, come on, could anyone who appreciates The Band NOT respond with their tail feathers to such fantastic music???? It just means we wish We Can talk and Chest Fever could have gotten maybe one hundredth of the same acclaim and recognition. Same goes for the kudos the respective bands have received down the years.

In a way I daresay it's all down to a bit of sour grapes at the unfairness of The Band's lack of populist acclaim and The Stones are as good a yardstick as any with which to highlight it. Certainly in my discussions I've never slated The Stones. That would be ridiculous. I've just maintained that as great as they are they still as a band fall a good way short of The Band.

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MB

I am gathering stories for "Tales From the Rock and Roll Highway," a book to be published by Billboard Books next year. I am looking for stories regarding performances, touring, recording, fan encounters, etc.; anything interesting, funny, poignant, crazy, whatever. If you have a story to share, e-mail me at inkstainedwench@bellsouth.net

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David Powell

Subject: Dylan / Live Aid 1985

Pat mentioned that Dylan hated his appearance at Live Aid. No wonder -- Ron Wood & Keith Richards attempted to back him up and it sounded like they were all playing something completely different. It was so bad, it resembled a Saturday Night Live caricature skit of Dylan at his worst. As I recall, rumors abounded regarding a Stones reunion appearance at the concert, but Jagger ended up doing his solo thing instead.

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Bones

I am jealous of the Stones in one major way. In 1968, when they released Beggars Banquet, the Band released Music From Big Pink as their debut record. Both groups for the next few years would create historically significant works, and both groups had been playing together for a number of years prior to 1968. My jealousy is that we get to hear the Stones become a great band from their early work to 1968. The Band did not have that luxury. Wouldn't it have been great if the Band had cut six records leading up to Big Pink? History has now taught us that Big Pink and The Band were a culmination of something rather than the start.

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Calvin

I'd have to second your point of the simplicity of Stones songs Pat. I've been playing the Bass for 22 years and there isnt another major group with Bass Lines as incredibly boring to play as the Stones. There is a point in Jumpin Jack Flash were there are 32 consecutives 8th notes from the same note, same fret. A guy could fall asleep playing that, at the least lose count. The STones are enjoyable to listen to, even their recent stuff isnt bad-but stellar music it isn't.

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Paul Roberts

axiom: there is no order relation in music taste

theorem 1: If the band is the best group, you must enjoy other groups and singers.
proof: you have already enjoyed other groups before being able to realize that the band is the best. QED

theorem 2: If you like the band music, you cannot like the band music ONLY, EVEN if it is a unique kind
proof: accordingly to theorem 1, and the fact that RR, LH, GH... themselves have been fans of other singers. QED

lemma 1: the spririt of the band is to be receptive to alternate groups and singers, consequently this is the spirit of the band fans.

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Pat Brennan

Dylan hated his Live Aid appearance, which is why he joined up with Petty for Farm Aid.

Lowell mighta been all coked up but he was right.

Pehr, You Can't Always Get What You Want has four chords, all simple block types. The B section of Unfaithful Servant has some absolutely beautiful suspended chords that the various guitarists in the Stones have never come near approaching. And the rhythmic thing that leads to the full stop and startup is exquisite.

Saying that not liking the Stones represents some psychological misplay or artfully chosen academic stance is silly. As someone said, it's a matter of taste. I can give some pretty substantial reasons why I don't like the Stones, but I don't think anyone here is dumb for liking them.

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Bashful Bill

My favorite Stones albums are Bleed, Exile, and Some Girls(to my dismay, I heard Beast of Burden on the oldies channel the other day).And Faraway Eyes still cracks me up, one of the funniest songs I have ever heard. Black & Blue is also a real cool, underrated album.I wooed 2 wives and a few other women with Memory Motel off that album(also made use of IMND, Share Your Love, and Acadian Driftwood in that capacity).I would love to catch them on this current tour, but only in one of the small theatre shows, and I don't count on that happening. I'm certain someone can help me with this one-I was living in Monterey CA back in 74, right after It'sOnly R&R came out, and I knew this guy who had that song on a 45. It was B/W, as so often happens on singles, what I recall to be a far superior song that I don't think has turned up on any of their compilations.Haven;t heard it since, forgot the title, anyone? And speaking of Bangladesh, Iknow at least one GB poster-Rick S- was at that concert, and has fond momories of it.

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Peter Viney

Lotsa Stones stuff: I’m going to try to agree with as many people as possible (because I’m in a very good mood generally).

Sure, the first two Stones LPs were a lesson in R&B and they’d done their homework, when they were lone voices and however much musicians pretend otherwise, so many got to the blues like Muddy Waters, Jimmy Reed, Bo Diddley via the Stones, and then they had impeccable taste in soul covers of Bobby Womack, Marvin Gaye, Don Covay, Bob & Earl etc.

“Paint it Black” from House of Blues shows Taj Mahal, Junior Wells, Wendell Holmes, Bobby Womack, James Cotton reciprocating on Stones songs. They also jammed with Muddy Waters and Buddy Guy in their time. Keith did the Chuck Berry film.

However, reading the Davis book they were never “a band” in the way The Band or The Beatles were, and the more I read the book, the more it seemed rare (certainly after about 67) for more than three “Stones” to be on a track. Very rare for Wyman to be on them at all. They almost always had a keyboard player, who was never a “Stone”. As Pat said last week, they used great musicians on tour and in the studio. I think Keith is a unique musician. Charlie a very good drummer indeed. Surprisingly drums were sometimes played by others. There are 80s bits about Keith’s guitar technician playing on albums instead of Keith. Ron playing bass. Keith playing bass. Because it was so rare for them all to be there and straight. They were never a “band” in the way The Band or Little Feat were. They were a corporate identity built around two stars, who could afford to surround themselves with the best.

Jagger is an amazing stylist and performer, and very fit. He’s also a complete mean and vain arsehole, unfortunately and from all reports a very nasty piece of work.

I often prefer the early Stones versions of blues to the originals. ‘Love in Vain’, ‘Honest I Do’ and several others define the songs for me. On soul, their covers are great, but the originals almost always better. Go to the originals of Can I Get A Witness, Mercy Mercy, Harlem Shuffle for superior takes. I’d have to say PLEASE go and listen to The Temptations on ‘Just My Imagination’, ‘Ain’t Too Proud to Beg’ and ‘Don’t Look Back’ (which Peter Tosh and Keith covered). The Temptations are in a different class altogether ON THESE SONGS. ‘Just My Imagination’ by The Temptations stands up there with Marvin Gaye’s ‘What’s Going On’ and Sly’s ‘There’s A Riot Going On’. The Stones cover is very well done, but it doesn’t touch the original. The Stones best work is the originals in that great 68-72 period, then after that, for me they become a singles band- there are many astonishing singles – Start Me Up, Beast of Burden, It’s Only Rock & Roll, Angie, even Undercover of The Night. But albums had a lot of dross and filler.

So, on blues by white men – seek out Chris Rea’s ‘Dancing Down The Stony Road’ (2 CD set), released today in the UK. Chris Rea wrote this after a near-death illness and surprised everyone by doing a blues album. If you like your blues in Howling Wolf style, you will be bowled over by this album. I’ve only heard half so far and am transfixed. A contender for one of the best albums of 2002 (as most critics agree so far).

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Hank

Subject: Rip This Joint!

LDO!.....Rockin post!

Pat Brennan!.....Answer honestly the following:

If Chuck Levall dropped outta The Stones touring line-up and Mick J rang you up to take his place:

Would Ya?....Would Ya?......I'm sure ya could, ya.........

ya boyo!........

Lowell George was coked outta his head when he told the story (to the late Timothy White) about blowing off Mick and Keef when they wanted to jam with him.....

Again, The Stones woulda had nothing but the greatest respect for LG and Little Feat......and there's a great photo of Mick J and LG backstage at a '70ies Doobies/Little Feat gig in one of them retro-photo books......all hangin' out and havin' a laff.......

Also......Didn't Dylan write on the liner notes of "Another side.........."

"an' dean martin should apologise to the rollin' stones........?

Yes, he DID.........and he appeared at Live Aid with Keef and Ronnie.....and that was Brilliant!......spawned Farm Aid.......completely acoustic after a whole Global Day of Electronic famine relief.....better'n'CSNY on the day.......totally funky..........and Dylan hangs with Ronnie all the time.....saw Ronnie jam with Dylan in Killkenny last year......rockin!

I never, ever heard ANY of The Stones diss The Band.......the thing is, The Stones woulda been completely in awe of The Band/Hawks pedigree.....Wasn't Bill Wyman good enuff for The Hawks backing John Hammond?

I gotta stop........I feel a huge post comin' on and better take a Cold Cold Cold shower....

later, dudes.........

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Pehr

Stones and Band are apples and oranges. I cant help but sense a feeling of defensivess and desparation in the comments that put the stones down. I imagine it would be the same seen the other way. comparing things doesnt really open you to the true essence of either subject.

Not that I dont like to speculate.

Pat Brennan, I would not hesitate to match "Unfaithful Servant" with "You Cant Always Get What You Want", just off the top of my head. That is a very complex song, from Al Kooper's French horn solo, building thru the many layers, including the legendary percussionists whom Kooper said could play those licks and roll perfect spleefs at the same time without missing a beat! It may be a C/G/F etc. kind of song but the extensions and voicings and rhythm take it far beyond the rudimentary.

Its really about taste anyway, isnt it? I dont think "Unfaithful" is really all that complex. Its not Brubeck, after all. Its a folk song.

my taste... I hate complex thoughts. I appreciate them but avoid them now. A record, a good song shouldn't have to be a struggle, but should stand on its own.

Bip Bop Bip Gabba Gabba Hey! Be Bopa Lula Tutti Fruitty,

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Levon and Garth in London

Unfortunately it was an error by the London Free Press regarding the Levon/Barnburners/Garth appearance ad. for Sept.20 in London. Sorry, wish it could have happened.

Dave Z: I guess you're relieved that you won't have to drive another 1000 miles :)

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Bashful Bill

Just playing GB catchup here after a few days off-Ben,wish you had said hello the other night. It was a great show, but way under-attended. I see Roy Buchanan's name popping up here, and at the Jim Weider Band show the other night I overheard someone say"if you never saw Roy B. play, you're lucky, because you just saw the next best thing".All those years I saw and listened to Jim and Randy play with The Band, I didn't know how much of their talent was being held in by that unit. It was the 4th time I saw the new JWB lineup (who have taken the place of the Honky Tonk Gurus), they are tighter every time. They are stretching tunes out like I used to like to hear the Dead stretch em out, but there are no ragged edges with these guys. They have rendered Don't Do It into an unrecognizable 10 minute monster complete with a drum solo and an a capella section. They usually only play this, and 3 other Band-related tunes-Life is a Carnival, The Weight, and The Remedy(which Jim cowrote with Colin Linden, BTW).They do some R&R and R&B covers, but most of the shows consist of songs written by Jim and/or Jim & Randy and their various bandmates.And every now and then they debut a new one, such as the other night a new JW composition which was dedicated to the in abstentia Acadianruby. If they come around, do yourselves a favor and go out and see them, and if I;m around, come over and say hello. I'm bashful, but not unapproachable.

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Susan

Peter V; very nice review, and good work at putting the performance in context.

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bob wigo

Pat,

While I wouldn't argue the degree of musicianship between The Band and the Stones I will say this....I've been extremely fortunate to have seen something close to two hundred and fifty shows in the past thirty years. Among those are at least ten Stones shows. I have never been disappointed and have always been amazed by the energy they generate.

The two bands you compare are so disparate in style that any comparison seems impossible. I am very definitely among those led to seek out the artists that influenced them and have to disagree with your premise that they had no impact in that direction. I would argue that Keith Richards is among the very finest rhythm guitarists in the history of the genre and I will gladly second LDO on his Jagger comments. Frankly, there has been no one out there to rival him as a front man for a long, long time.

I believe it's more about style and musical sensibility. It's only Rock and Roll !!!

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JQ

Peter V - Thanks loads for the review. Welled penned, fine insights & (seemingly) hard work. It would take me forever to finish something of that quality. Cheers.

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BrelandC

I would like to say i love your music and look forward to more activists songs.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Living As a Bad Career Move...

Long Distance Operator: Great post! Just ask guys like Leon Russell and Johnny Rivers, who are continually snubbed by the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame, what a lousy career move that staying alive is. Not many remember that the last Elvis Presley tour had lots of unsold seats months before he died...

As Dylan said so well,"...now to her death is quite romantic..."

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Bill

Second, following up on the note from Lance Anderson that I posted last week, here's his description of what came of his invitation to Garth Hudson:

"Just wanted to let you know of a special night last week at the Rockit.

" Michael Sloski and I started up our regular Tuesday night thing. Jake Langley, a fabulous young guitar man sat in even though he had just broken his elbow!! Jake is a great jazz player, and plays octaves in the style of Wes Montgomery as well as anyone I have heard. Smooth and fluid. What's equally amazing about Jake is that he is a fine Blues and Rhythm and Blues guitar player.

"Then John Dickie walked in and sang a few as did Denis Keldie on organ. One of T.O.s finest Terry Blersh also sat in on gtr and as I went to the piano a fine time was had by all.

"As we were finishing up around midnight, Garth Hudson peeked in the door with an accordian in his hand. Well we knew we were in for a long night now.

"It was a very memorable musical late night/morning. Denis Keldie went out to his car where he just happened to have an accordian in the trunk ... and duelling stereo accordians!! (That will either quickly empty a place or a party will break out.... nothing in between). We were treated to a series of Tarantalas and obscure fifties instrumentals by two of the finest and eclectic accordianists around.

"The organist Rickie Dee arrived and played and sang a few numbers. Well we all traded chairs and played organ, accordians and piano until past 3:00am. Jim Poulis the owner of the club was gracious to let us hang out.

"So we will go at it again tommorrow night. I don't know who will show up to play but my musician friends know that they are always welcome to sit in. Hopefully we can get more people out so that this room with the relaxed atmosphere can continue. I'm having a blast.

"Tuesday Nights at the Rockit, 120 Church St. (at Richmond) T. O. 9:00pm start.

"Anderson/Sloski duo ,,,,,,, Hammond B3 and drums w special guests."

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Jenny T

I went out with a guy circa 1986 who had supposedly travelled with the Stones on a tour a few years before that. (He was a bigtime liar but this story may have been true.) He would sometimes say "Last tour they'll ever do" and shake his head regretfully. How many have they done in the almost 20 years since?

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Ray G.

Subject: Peter Viney: Whispering Pines Review

Peter,

Enjoyed reading your review of Richard's "Whispering Pines". Makes me want to shell out the $35 or $40 bucks to order it from Dreamsville Japan. I know it would be worth it to have "The Beak" live in my own living room.

Peace

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Chris

Subject: Stones

Well...don't have much to add to the Stones comments accept that I happened to score tickets on a rerelease from Ticketmaster around noon on Friday.

So the wife and I are off to The Aragon Ballroom to see our first Rolling Stones shows. Hope it's a good show. In the last eight years she and I have seen some dynamite shows. Hope this is one of them.

Incidentally I think they are smart for transitioning in theatre shows like The Aragon. I always wished that The Dead would have done more of that. The Allman Brothers do it well now.

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roz

Subject: Movies and food!

Hell Jerry if it were up to me I spend all day talkin' movies and food!

Remember how it was in high school? Ya just felt like you wanted to crawl into a hole sometimes. And then, later on when ya started to get older and folks you knew in school that you thought didn't like ya..They come up to ya and say stuff like "Boy it's great to see you again..Ya know, I really liked you in school!" That's happened to me a hundred times. And my answer to them is always the same... "Why didn't you tell me back then?"

My day is filled. found an old BB gun that used to belong to my little brother. Found it in the bottom of an old box along with a red tube-box filled with BBs I'm goin' down to Hoochie's Dollar store, buy me some candy and pop and a couple cans of potted meat that they got on sale for 2 for a buck. Then this evening after work, I'm goin' out to watch the trains. I got a favorite place I like to sit. I carry my old beat-up 6 string and wonder down between the trains pretending I'm Woody Guthrie. Then I'm gonna sit on my favorite stump with my Maker's Mark and shoot rats with that BB gun I just found.

Have a sweet day everyone....

Mr. Donabie _ You Sir, are in everyone's thoughts....get better real fast.

I got an e-mail from someone yesterday. It wouldn't open. I only got to read the subject line. To whoever it was from...sorry ..I hope it was a nice letter and if not, I'm glad it didn't open..

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John D

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John D

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John D

Subject: Memory That Went On This Morning

Bob Dylan and The Hawks were playing together for the first time at Massey Hall. I had front row seats; for which now is music history. During that evening in the middle of the concert, I noticed a small thin black man walk out from stage left; with a chair and sit down to the side watching the concert from the stage.

From time to time he would yell out things like,......."way to go Bob....sounding great Bob........Hey Bob!" Dylan would always look over and seem to be getting a little pissed at the man; but not in a heavy way.

Turned out later the little man on the stage; who was unknown to me at the time, was appearing that same evening over at "The Riverboat" where so many folk and folk-blues artists would appear. It was John Lee Hooker.........who just thought he would drop by. Bob, as I said wan't totally amused by the "yelling out"; but you could see that Bob had great respect for the guy from his early days in the village.

It's just all a great memory now.

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WS Walcott

OK, enough of the Stones. Their peak period was from 1969-72. Beggars Banquet, Let it Bleed, Sticky Fingers, Exile. Nothing much else by them interests me.

Didn't an up and coming group by the name of ZZ Top open for the Stones on their 1972? tour? I remember reading they blew the Stones off the stage.

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brown eyed girl

Subject: Express Yourself!

"We make out of the quarrel with others, rhetoric, but of the quarrel with ourselves, POETRY.......(Yeats)

Better Red than Dead.....;-D (brown eyed girl)

To those Posters who are feeling ignored or not part of THE BAND CLUB.....I'm not a Club member either.....I've never been your "typical" Band Fan.....On purpose I choose to post about musicians who are not necessarily associated with The Band 'cause I can only take so much toxicity.....I'm a MUSIC FAN FIRST....The Band is one Band that I am obsessed about......not the only one.....as I'm sure everyone can tell by what I choose to post.....:-D

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Mike

That's right Rollie. I forgot to mention that about Walter Horton, Calvin and the rest. You bet it's classic footage :) And what a bluesman...John Lee Hooker.

Long Distance Operator, I hope you don't think I'm trying to diminish The Stones. I'm not :) I'm just not that big of a fan. And I don't see what the hype is about them. Solid band? Yes. Greatest Rock and Roll Band In The World? Not by a long shot. But, it all boils down to opinion. And I won't knock anyone else's views or musical tastes. For example, Peter Viney does NOT like The Doors. And some of us here (iincluding me) do! The great thing is that tastes are respected here. And yes, Lowell George was brilliant.

Neil Diamond, "Oh well I have a feeling I'm not the only one who hasn't fit into the Band fan club..I tried. I will say that it is sometimes a cold place, just remember not every Band fan know's all there is to know about the Band or music in general"...What do you mean? It's not a matter of fitting in, is it? Am I wrong? Anyone? Since I've been coming here for almost 4 years, all that matters is the music. I've never felt the need to have to fit in. Nor have I felt ignored if my post didn't start a thread. I come here because of the music (and The Band). But, we don't discuss The Band exclusively. There are many artists to be discussed. You say that this is sometimes a cold place. Why? All the regulars and semi-regulars here have always been friendly to me. Some of us are more opinionated than others but not disrespectful. It seems to me that you might be bothered if nobody responds to your post. Just because nobody responds doesn't mean he/she didn't READ it. Sometimes, a post sparks thoughts and opinions. Other times, a post might have said all there was to say about a certain topic. I think that when people try to fit in, that's when they set themselves up for a disappointment. Just be yourself. That's all man :)

Time to head out for work. I don't like Monday's

Mike

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Scarlett Rivera

Comparison means devaluating the two parts

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rosalind

Subject: Bandfans

Hey Jerry _ I have a true story to tell. I found this site about 2 years ago. The first thing I did when I got internet hook-up was to search for this group. I thought it was a useless thing to do for nothing but a discography and a few lines of bio. I thought the Band had came and went. Boy Was I Wrong! It was like being hungry, walkin' along an old deserted railroad track, looking down and findin' a great big Gold Coin. I had a lot to say. I was extremely pissed off at Mr. Helm for ruining MY fantasy! I said a few very unpopular things and got plastered for them. Everyone attacked at once. I didn't know what I could say and couldn't say, so I said everything. I fought back. (if I'm not mistaken Mr. Jan got the internet task force after me.) Bad News. Punches Flyin', Fur Flyin' Every Which a' Way. Hank said It was like "Dylan and the Hawks rattlin' on stage at Newport" I was a bad girl and I'm sorry.

What I'm tryin to Jerry is, If you love The Band's music. If you can't live without a dose everyday. When you think of quality music The Band is the first thing that comes in to your head. If you're forever trying to turn youngsters on to this group and get their ears out of Rap and Hip Hop and that bullshit they're continually trying to force down their throats...then you belong here. We got insiders here too...I'm beginnin' to think that Butch and Dave Z are the same cat...

I ain't ashamed to say I dropped out of high school. I ain't ashamed to say I live in a three room apartment on top of a poolroom with a neon "Miller Light" sign shinin' thru the window. I ain't ashamed to say I'm still single and ain't got no kids and have a compulsion to be adored by everyman I meet. And that's alright with me. Hell! MattK told us about himself..he wasn't ashamed. Was ya Matt? A Honda?

This is the bottom line Jerry. The party ain't no fun when yer friends start to leave! Okay?

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Long Distance Operator

Hey, I love Little Feat and The Band as much as anybody. ANYBODY. Ditto for Roy Buchanon. You know what the problem is, though? Most of these guys are fucking DEAD. Lowell George was brilliant. Unfortunately, he's also fucking dead. Richard Manuel? Gifted, a perfect voice, troubled, and dead. Rick Danko? A beautiful soul, a tremendous singer who became grossly overweight and died young. Sadly. Roy Buchanon is the most criminally underrated guitarist of all time. A true pioneer. Today, he also finds himself very dead.

Mick Jagger is not dead. He also happens to be the best frontman ever. Period. He had that title sewed up twenty years ago, and now his current exploits onstage are the equivalent of a victory lap. Mick Jagger, I remind you again, is not dead. He has the body of a 20-year-old, and at 59 still possesses the moves and energy that spawned over a billion imitators. Do Mick and the Stones have to apologize because there are some pompous pseudo-intellectuals out there on the fringes whose tedious approach to music-listening prevents them from appreciating their brilliance? Uhh, no. There are many people who simply wouldn't know a good rock-and-roll show if it were in their trousers. Some of them, I suspect, post here occasionally. It's utter nonsense to sit around and diminish the achievements of the Stones over the last 40 years, but you can be sure that someone will try.

I'll also take the time add an emphatic "HELL YES, the Rolling Stones DID turn me on to the music of Chuck Berry, Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, Gram Parsons, Fred McDowell, Robert Johnson, and Smokey Robinson!"... to name but a few. I, in turn, have turned hundreds of others onto that music. I thank them for that. Keith Richards' tribute to Chuck Berry, "Hail, Hail, Rock and Roll!", is probably the second-best rock movie of all time. You all know the first.

God bless the Rolling Stones. There's nothing wrong with living, and living to tell the tale.

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brown eyed girl

Bob Emu: I agree with you........but I think Keith would disagree.......in regards to Mick Taylor if I understood your post....."Ron Wood seemed to project new energy into Keith. As Keith said during the tour, (1976 Black and Blue...Btw I remember the Feminist backlash at the time re album title) in an interview with Barbara Charone: "Mick Taylor took eighteen months to knock into shape. Woody is there. As far as I'm concerned he's a lot more there than Mick Taylor ever was." It was true, Woody even looked like a Rolling Stone - scrawny, raddled but dynamic.".....

I think the point was......We don't want real musicians in our band......We didn't want Brian Jones.....and Mick Taylor didn't really FIT INTO OUR CLUB.....He tried.....He even wore make-up during video shoots and eventually became a slave to drugs himself.....but the difference was......He was actually a musician's musician like Brian Jones before him......I still can hear Taylor say in a radio interview that the Stones were not real musicians......He was inhibited musically by playing with The Stones......Btw.....I saw him solo in a small club in Toronto.....All I remember was that it was a somber evening......My fave video of Taylor with The Stones was during "Goat's Head Soup" and I think his most fluid and tasteful licks were during the playing of "Time Waits For No One"........Ain't that the truth!.......;-D......Marianne Faithfull also has stated that the real reason for the hiring of Woody (besides needing a lead guitarist) was that he was the perfect go between Mick and Keef.....and he fitted into THE CLUB....

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Fred

Richard (from St.Catharines): How's the culture shock?

well, back to watching the sumo (big men bumpin' bellies).

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Bob Emu

Subject: Responses to E-mails

Bayou Sam: the piano on "Ain't Too Proud" was by Billy Preston. Ian Stewart plays only on "Short And Curlies", apparently a song that wasn't supposed to make the album.

Pat Brennan: Elvis covered "Mystery Train" too. He never actually wrote anything. His credits were all to siphon off money, a common practice in rock and roll.

Bayou Sam: Ringo was on tambourine during Dylan's set.

Brown Eyed Girl: Marianne Faithfull gets a credit on the Virgin CD re-release of "Sticky Fingers"

Dave the Drummer (from the 13th): Yeah, I knew Garth was on MTV back in '84. He's not on now, though, and that was my point. What is on now is entirely vapid and devoid of talent. And talent would be the perfect thing to try to get on... except that Garth's not too marketable to corporate America, and, therefore, probably wouldn't get much (if any) time on the air.

Can you imagine Garth Hudson calendars, roller skates, scented candles, bubble gum, cologne, and Garth's own clothing line? I can't, but I sure can imagine any below-average singer that can't (or barely can) play one instrument selling that kind of crap.

Finally, A note on the Stones:

The Rolling Stones were great. Then they lost Mick Taylor. Ron Wood's a great guy, but every album with him has taken longer and longer to get out. There were 14 studio albums (I'm counting the American pressings for the albums before "Sticky Fingers") between 1964-1974, there have only been 9 studio albums since then.

They're good, but not great. Look at the Band's albums from the '90s. Look at Neil Young, at Bob Dylan. You can grow old gracefully, and still sound great. You shouldn't go trying to act like you're still 35, and get these crappy MTV-based bands to open for you. And you shouldn't experiment with every new style that comes around once you pass 40. I never was that impressed with any entire album released after 1978.

And why don't they let Ronnie Wood sing? They let Mick sing. They let Keith sing. And Wood's just as good as Keith. And they're both better than Mick.

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Jeffrey(rollie) Newsom

Not only is Pinetop Perkins playing in the Maxwell St Band, but also harp great,Big Walter Horton, bassist Calvin Jones and drummer Willie Big Eyes Smith from the Legendary Blues Band. Classic footage to be sure...........

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Doug

Subject: These Guys Are Therapeutic

Technology is a tough sector in the US right now -- my company just went through a round of lay-offs and my name was on the list. Obviously a little discouraging but while sending out resumes this weekend --I had a 'Band-athon'. All of the stories, all of the images -- many of which describe characters in far graver situations than I even approach --really lifted my spirits. After all it could be a lot worse ... I could have a horse named Jethro that just went mad! Nice post Neil Diamond.

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Neil Diamond

Jan...This is a great site you do a great job of this, Ive learned a lot...

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Mike D.

Pat B., right on! Sam, the covers of "Ain't Too Proud To Beg" and "Just My Imagination" better than the originals? Umm, NO! Sam, I like ya but I gotta disagree.

The Stones just seem to make those songs sound weak and downright lame. I'll take The Temptations versions anyday! Why? Well, The Stones' covers seemed slapped together. Un-interesting!

Pat, that's true about Little Feat. Also, Mick and Keith sent a roadie over to ask Lowell if they could jam with Feat. Lowell's response was to "fuck off". That's ballsy. And you're right! The Stones should've opened for Feat. There's a highly talented band that never got due credit and could easily slaughter The Stones onstage and in the studio. It's obvious, but I don't like them much. Except for their 1960's output. After that era, they either seem to be trying to hard or not at all. Just my view.

Not trying to stir the pot here, but it's only an opinion. But if you like or love The Stones, ok by me.

Mike

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Bayou Sam - 5th post today - it's like a Yankees World Series run.

Pat = I might give you "Just My Imagination", but "Ain't To proud to Beg", Charlie is just right in the pocket on that snare. The piano is tasty too (Ian Stewart I assume). cranking it up is required when the Stones version comes on. Oh and, I love you too :-)

This could be fun - how about Stones tunes that The Band might have done a nice cover of? I say "Salt of The Earth".

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Pat Brennan

In the early 70's, George Bush the first substituted for Spiro Agnew (ahh, the company we keep) to award the Jaycees Top Ten Americans Under 35 award to noted speed freak Elvis Presley who wrote Mystery Train which was covered by The Band.

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Pat Brennan

Now Hank, we've been here before. Hank is Irish and lives on The Rock which makes him (by birthright) correct about 99% of the time. This however is the 1%. Your point that the Stones turned the world onto Chuck Berry etc is pure academia. That they copped these people almost note for note is obvious, and selling it back to innocent teenagers is genius, but very few people actually graduated from the Stones to the originators. Otherwise I would have guessed Muddy and Wolf woulda had at least one hit. Dylan turned to folk/country blues after his high school Little Richard phase. He heard the Beatles on the radio and started thinking of getting a group. Arguing that the Stones had something to do with it has no basis in fact. And as far as the statues go, Dylan could have great respect for the Stones business acumen, but I've never heard him wax rhapsodically about the group itself. And Dylan has been known to say a lot of things.

Here's something you could argue. There was the big news years ago that the Stones broke up, that Keef and Mike hated each other. So they cut solo albums and proceeded on solo careers. Except that the albums bombed and the tours were underwhelming. Which forced them back together, a decision any good business man would make.

Quite a long time ago I dared anyone to find me an instance in the Stones canon that matches the nuance and soul of the descending line/ritardando/stop/start in Unfaithful Servant. It was SOP procedure for The Band and miles beyond the ability of the Stones.

The Stones asked Little Feat to open for them. Lowell said no, that they should open for him. And he was right.

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Bayou Sam

My fourth post today - it may be a personal record.

You know what else I like about the Stones? They're reliable. Sometimes there is a band that just seems to sound the same all the time (Rush, Phil Collins, Yes,& others) and it's boring. But with the RS, it sort of seems OK. Like a comfortable T-shirt. You can always count on some rock n roll roots kind of stuff, and a few slow ones, as well as a nice cover song. If they diverted too much from what they do best, I think they'd fall on thier face. I guess the most they ever diverted might be Satanic Majesties. When I hear that the Stones are once again coming back into the spotlight every few years, it's like an old friend visiting. Hey, there hasn't been an age determined yet when a person can't rock anymore. The first rock and rollers are senior citizens, and most of them can still kick ass, so the Stones have a ways to go yet.

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Chris Z

No, David can not make anymore road trips for a while... well, at least not until he gets his hair cut... Even if Robbie were to somehow join Garth & Levon, my answer would still be No!... Right now he is rocking in a fetal position on the backseat floor of his Jeep Wrangler... mumbling "people should go, Go"...

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rosalind

Subject: Roy Buchannon and the Rolling Stones

When I found out that them Stones had the audacity to ask the Great Roy Buchannon to join them as "second" guitarist I just about laughed my ass off. I imagined in my head what it must have been like.

Mick and Keith: "Hey Roy, How bout joining us as a member of the Stones? We need a rhythm guitar player."

Roy: Sounds Great! Tell ya what. We can keep the drummer and the bassman right where they are. Mick, You go put on one of those short little dresses and some high-heeled pumps to show off them skinny little legs of yers... and put on pretty red lipstick to show off them lips.. And girl, You can be a back-up singer.

Hey Keith, Go find another job! The Stones don't need you anymore! From now on this group will be known as "Roy Buchannon and The Rolling Stones." Take it or leave it?

It probably didn't go down that way...but it should have! (Roy didn't need a vocalist)

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Mike D.

Ok, I know I'll catch hell for this. I just don't see what the hype is about The Stones. I think their 1960's output is great (having plopped the cash for all the remasters), but the rest of it doesn't grab me. Overall, I have to say they aren't as good as most seem to say. But, that's just my opinion. And I'm not knocking anyone else here. I think that quite a bit of thier post 60's stuff if repetitious.

For me, they were at their peak in 1968/1969. It's also very obvious that Gram Parsons (while not introducing them to country msuic) re-kindled their interest in that type of music. Listen to Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed. Parson's infuence is evident all the way thru the "Exile" material. I'm sure that Keith and Mick were inspired by Gram. And because of this, I do have respect for The Stones. I like them, yes. Yes, they were never as talented as The Band (then who is?!) but they've done some good stuff. Not the best band ever (by a long shot) but certainly not the worst.

Also, by chance I was at the local Borders yestrday and decided to replace my long since player-eaten VHS copy of The Blues Brothers on DVD. The sound is like a pile of towels were taken off of the speakers...It's that good. Plus, it has 12 minutes of extra footage included in the movie which hasn't been seen since the first screening in 1980. But here's the best part: the scene of John Lee Hooker performing "Boom Boom" on Maxwell Street in Chicago has been expanded to it's complete version. I completely forgot that Pinetop Perkins can been seen on electric piano in that performance. There's a Band link, he was at The Last Waltz. And we all know of Duck Dunn's and Tom Malone's links to The Band. Just thought I'd throw that at ya.

Mike

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rosalind

Subject: The Stones

Bayou Sam mentioned "Some Girls" There's a song on there called "Faraway Eyes" I always really loved the country-inflected stuff.( Thanks GP) "Ain't too Proud to Beg" and "Tumblin' Dice"...great music. Even if they were reptiles. They're fun to watch too.

Hasn't Keith been makin' a big stink over Mick gettin' knighted? I heard the other day how Keith is callin' Mick's new record "Dogshit in the Doorway".

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Bayou Sam

I like the Stones' "Black and Blue" album too. It's the first one with Ron Wood I believe. There's a song on it called "Memory Motel", which is (or was) a motel out on the east end of Long Island (N.Y.-where I am). It's a tune I always liked, and has Mick and Keith singing different parts of the song.....There's also a great tune on B&B called "Crazy Mama" (no, not that one). The lyrics are not that great, the music is standard blusey stuff - nothing brilliant and ground breaking - but it shows the reason why they get called the greatest R&R band.

Y'know another thing about the Stones I like is some of the cover songs they've done. They always seem to pay tribute to the people they used to-and still admire. I love thier covers of "Ain't Too Proud To Beg", and "Just My Imagination" far better than the originals.

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richie

Subject: anything

cheers bayou. as i said , its ages since iv seen the movie. i hope eventually a dvd of concert for bangladesh comes out in the vein of the recent lw dvd. id still like to know when the long promised remastered cd is coming out. as for the stones, having seen them umpteen times on uk tours, you cant knock them. on their day, they are peerless, on record and especially live. last great album. id go for some girls. last good album. steel wheels was pretty good. greatest record. beggars b. to exile, all on an equal footing. 2 underrated stones classics, black and blue and tatoo you. goodnight all from dear old wales. richie

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Serge

I know this conflicts with the September 20th. date in the "What's New" concert listings for Levon and the Barnburners playing at the Fall fair in Lindsay Ontario, but last friday's London Free Press has an ad. for Levon and the Barnburners, with guest Garth Hudson at London's Western Fair Grandstand on September 20, at 8 pm. Proceeds to the Rural Expo 2002 Legacy Fund. Tickets $ 40 (Cnd)advance and $45 at the gate. Phones: 1-800-261-9631 or (519)673-5715.

I'll check this out and repost about it. Hey Butch..what's going on? You in on this?

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Hank

Subject: I only get my rocks off when I'm on The GB defending The Rolling Stones

Hmmmnnn.....I'm really surprised when Band GBers rail against The Rolling Stones.....It's a pointless thing to do......

As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, I would be very surprised if The Stones had nothing but the very highest respect for The Band........and The Band woulda known that The Rolling Stones almost single-handedly turned whole generations AROUND THE WORLD onto Chuck Berry, Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters.....

You could reasonably argue that if it were not for The Stones, Dylan would NOT have been inspired to go and find a band to back him live and The Hawks woulda never evolved into The Band. Bob Dylan has said that the USA should erect statues of The Stones (and The Beatles) for what they did to revive North Americas interest in its own music.....

I mean, if it's good enuff for Levon to sing with Keith on "A Deuce and a Quarter" AND if it's good enuff for RR to GLADLY hob-nob with Keith at award ceremonies AND IF IT'S GOOD ENUFF FOR RONNIE WOOD TO BE AT TLW.......AND BE IN THE MOVIE..... then WHY would any GBer be soooooo uptight about The Rolling Stones? This, I don't understand.........

........another thing about The Stones which is very admirable; The Stones have a tradition of putting on GREAT support acts on when they tour......acts who could conceivably blow them off the stage.........Despite all The Hoopla and Hype around The Stones, MUSIC is at the core...which is what you want, at the end of the day.......but you can't ALWAYS git wot ya want...and yes, there IS a similarity between that song and The Weight....but THAT'S cool too..........

The best book on The Dead is Rock Scullys book, "Living with The Dead".....Hilarious..........He manages to present them as totally human but not at the expense of the mystical hippie trip they were on.........and is completely respectful about The Band........he maintains The Dead actively looked forward to gigging with The Band on the bill.......

....and "why not?" sez you.........

Here's wishing Warren Zevon all the best at this time......hopefully, he'll write a song to scare his sickness away!......

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Scarlett Rivera

An anthological case of song inpiration.

For the annual jazz festival of Montreux, Zwitzerland in 1971, Frank Zappa was in concert at the Casino, in front of the lake of Geneva. During the concert, the Casino burnt down, people went out from the building, and Zappa hurried in the Rolling Stones mobile studio which was in the vicinity of the Hotel. Completely dismayed, he watched the scene where he lost all of his hardware in a few minutes. That surnatural vision of the Hotel burning above the lake has been translated in the title of a famous rock success, the description of the circumstances, in its lyrics:

Smoke on the water - Deep purple

Many generations of rockers have believed it was a drug song

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Al Edge

Suppose it's all down to the criteria by which anything is judged or rated.

Makes perfect sense to me what you say Sam.

Stones fans would point to a vast legacy of great songs that are integral to rock history as well as the longevity of Jagger, Richards and Watts as being the reason why they are the best rock band. Beatles fans would simply point to the ground they broke in 7 short years.

Meanwhile, us lot on here would point to two/three/four/five albums of matchless collective musicianship and at least two of matchless evocation of rural America [other more fortunate souls on here would point to matchless live performances] as to why The Band stand without peer.

Of course my missus would simply point to Francoise Hardy's love song collection and say 'beat that'!!!!

:-0)

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Ben

Subject: JWB

Saw the JWB last night at the North Star, small crowd, great band. These guy's could use some press help no doubt. Jim's a smokin guitar player, but that rhythm section put a fire up his butt all night, those guys sing and play great. Incredible version of Life is A Carnival.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Jenny T.

Jenny, check out www.jethrotull.com for an explanation. Wish I could attend one of those rubbing elbows seesions. It is just Ian, his son perhaps, and maybe backing musicians on stage doing questions and answers with the audience with local djs moderating. Kind of like what Billy Joel has done on college campuses recently.

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Bayou Sam

Subject: the stones

even though I wouldn't say that the Rolling Stones are "the greatest rock n roll band", as they are often called - I think they have every right to claim so.

that make sense to anyone - it does to me.

Has anyone mentioned "Some Girls" yet? That may be thier last great album.

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Bayou Sam

Subject: Madison Square Garden -1971

richie = at Bangladesh, Dylan's set had him on acoustic, and harmonica - George playing his Strat. electric, and Leon Russell on bass guitar. George and Leon also sang harmonies with Zimmy at the same microphone. Ringo may have been hovering in the back playing a tambourine, but I'd have to check....Also, it's high time you saw the Bangladesh concert again - you'll like it :-)

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richie

Subject: billy preston/dylan link up

dear peter, as you know, b.preston and dylan were both at concert for bangladesh. its ages since i saw the film but dylan's set was all acoustic so billy may not have backed him. was there an all star jam at the end a la last waltz. if so billy preston would have backed him then. as i said, its ages since i saw the film. anyone know when the eagerly awaited remastered version of con. for bangl. is coming out?

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Diamond Lil

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Al Edge

Good point Pat, forcibly - and very properly - made on the website of what is surely the world's finest band [in its truest sense] ever.

I have lost track down the years of how many pub/workplace arguments I've entered into on that very same tack. Most of them it has to be said with fellow inebriants who had never even heard of The Band but vaguely seemed to recall through their veil of beery brew a song that went 'Rag mama rag' which made convincing them against The Stones populist onslaught pretty much a David versus Goliath proposition. Thank God I always remembered to carry that sling around with me.

The irony of course is that tho infinitely artistically superior The Band were never a tenth as popular as The Stones - in Britain not even a hundredth.

Yet isn't that so often the way? Why so? Who the fuck knows. I'm bloody certain I can't figure it. Possibly only once has the best within their field ever been the most popular and we all know who they were.

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Charlie Young

Subject: RR, Tom Principato and Other Guitar Greats...

While watching Robbie jam with Zal Yanovsky and others on the televised portion of the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony broadcast a couple of years ago, I wondered how two such great guitarists could virtually retire from public performance. After attending an amazing performance by Telecaster & Strat Master Tom Principato at a local blues festival yesterday, I think I may understand why. With so many fine players out there, it must be a little like the old western movie cliche of the veteran gunfighter always in the aim of young hotshots.

Principato is no kid, but just starting to get the recognition he deserves (see the link above for more about him). I had not seen him play since his young days in a Boston-based blues band called Powerhouse and knew his work since then as a Washington, DC area favorite in the tradition of two other guitar greats, Roy Buchanan and Danny Gatton. Principato even released a live CD collaboration with Gatton called "Blazing Telecasters." Yesterday he told me that there may be a DVD release of one of his duo shows with Gatton as well. If you get a chance to see this guy play live, do it before he decides to retire from guitar-slingling like Robbie and Zal.

Ben Pike: speaking of David Crosby, isn't it interesting that Croz spent that hard time in prison in Texas for cocaine possession while Florida Governor Jeb Bush's daughter was not even charged with anything last week when she turned up in drug rehab with a "rock" of crack cocaine in her shoe.

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Pat Brennan

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WS Walcott

Subject: Dylan Tour

Dylan played here Aug.9, great show! Charlie Sexton had 17 guitars, if I counted right. I been away awhile. How is everybody? Hang in there Warren! Best Stones album? Exile on Main Street.

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Jenny T

Pete Rivard: I didn't know Buddy Guy had a place still--and with food no less! When I lived in Chgo, he had the Checker Board which was kind of a dump but maybe that's the best kind of place to hear the blues. It has since closed. It was on maybe 43rd Street? I went there a couple of times, once for the Muddy Waters tribute shortly after his death, when it was reported that the Stones would show up but they never did. The place was packed and the music was amazing and I got my picture in the paper which was kind of a disaster as I said in here before. Phil Guy (Buddy's brother) is pretty good too if he still plays around town.

J Tull Fan: I see in the paper an ad for "Rubbing Elbows with Ian Anderson." What does that mean?

My feet are so sore and dirty this morning because I danced for four hours barefoot in the street last night (and finally made it rain thank God). There was a very good 80s cover band at the town festival. Best sounding songs of the evening: Rebel Yell, Should I Stay or Should I Go, I Love Rock and Roll. Most unfortunate: Come Sail Away. Most surprisingly danceable: I Want You to Want Me. I requested What I Like About You but they couldn't fit it in, but they ended with that Jenny/867-5309 song so everyone said that was my song anyway. (They were only kidding.)

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Ben Pike

RX for the Stones wars: here's a Beatle's story you may not have heard.

In 63, for tax reasons(!) A.I.P. had sent Roger Coreman to London to shoot his new, more expensive than usual feature "The Mask Of Red Death." Everyday Coreman had lunch with Jane Asher(female lead) who one day asked if She could bring along a friend from Liverpool. So in walks the then unknown Sir Paul, and tells how he's in this band who was playing London for the first time. Oh course the papers were full of The Beatles triumph the next day and they went on to be real famous.

Too bad Coreman wasn't savvy, he could have signed The Beatles up for A.I.P., and they could have been in Beach Films with Buster Keaton and Don Rickles; shot by David Crosby's dad Floyd cinematographer for almost everything done by A.I.P. in those days.

"The Masque Of The Red Death" by the by, is a good bet for Halloween if you have never seen it. It is easily the best of the Coreman Poe films(faint praise perhaps)very colorful and imaginative, with great sets cobbed together from other films. Christopher Lee gets a cameo, and Vincet Price and the great Patrick McGee get to be real evil; they suggest Starr and Gingrich planning a day's strategy. You can pick it up for about ten bucks, with another Coreman/Poe (The Premature Burial) on the other side.

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paul godfrey

Subject: brown eyes, lil, john d

Brown Eyes...are you getting my emails? 3x I have asked you if you read RONNIE HAWKINS-PETER GODDARD - LAST OF THE GOOD OL BOYS? For all BAND fans this book is a must read. It will answer many of the questions that pop up here on the GB.BTW I passed on your email.

Lil' - we have a band here in CANADA named GODDO. You have a good day too!

Spoke with John D. recently. His voice sounds very strong and I believe we will be hearing him on the radio again real soon. shineonpaulg

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Fred

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Fred

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Fred

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brown eyed girl

Marianne Faithfull apparently wrote the lyrics for "Sister Morphine" which came out on STICKY FINGERS....This song is however only attributed to M. Jagger and K. Richards. Marianne felt so humiliated that she wrote an indignant letter to Allen Klein and went to see him. Klein showed her a letter that was written in 1969 by Mick and Keef stating that she should get a third of the royalties. She was not given credit afterall 'cause she was still contracted to Gerry Bron, and no one wanted to see him receive any of the song's royalties. The "arrangement" was that Marianne would get royalties, BUT NO CREDIT.

Marianne had the desire to make art out of a pop song. Her association with The Stones had inspired her to create herself. She didn't want to be just another woman who hung around with The Stones. She has declared that the song was not about a junkie's last hours. In fact at this time in her life.....had only experimented with smack once.

"Sister Morphine" is the story of a man who has had a terrible car accident. He's dying and he's in tremendous pain and the lyrics of the song are addressed to the nurse....I used John Milton's "Lycidas" as a model.....Mick began writing the music in a garden in Rome where we were staying with Keith and Anita. It was just a riff, essentially. He had the melody for about six months and he would walk around the house strumming it......I was a big VELVET UNDERGROUND fan. I knew "Sister Ray" and "Waiting for the Man", (hmmmm....She didn't mention the most obvious one from the VU.....Louuuuu's masterpiece at the same time - "Heroin") and these also must have drained into my brain somewhere......The result of this effortless creation was not to inspire the writing of more songs but the use of more drugs!"

It is interesting to note on her "Blazing Away" video (Garth is here playing!!) that she is given credit for this song. She also stated that it was Keef and not Mick who seemed to push more for her receiving credit for this song......

I think her "Broken English" recording was brilliant.....I remember when "New Wave" music was featured in clubs.....We'd always hear "Broken English".....Here's also where you'll find "Why D'ya Do It".....The ultimate song about jealousy.....the ultimate.....It was at this time that her former main squeeeeeeeze Mick FINALLY came through for her.....Apparently she was so nervous the first night before her show that she didn't think she would be able to perform.......So she called Mick up and whatever he said to her.....She was able to acquire the strength and courage to express herself........on her own terms........finally......

John D: I emailed Paul G.....You keep changing your email addy....:-D

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patricia

Subject: Mills Brothers on eBay

Lil _ I went into eBay and found what you're looking for. The Mills Brothers All-Time Greatest Hits. I checked out the sellers record he has 0 negatives on his record. The Cd had only been played once or twice and is auctioning off for barely nothin 4 bucks + $2.25 shipping. I use Ebay quite a lot to look for old blues and old country stuff. If you aren't registered there...it's real easy to do.....even I could do it, that's how easy it is. Just go in and type mills brothers in the thing and it will take you directly to the page. As you can tell....I don't sleep a lot...

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Al Edge

Hey Carmen, as I was only saying to Les and Nerys in bed last night, that Exile on Main Street sure is a great album.

Must admit, as the catalyst though not the instigator [Mr Viney please stand up - you are guilty as sin mate] to all this 'Are you being Served' shoite, I am experiencing a fair degree of shame and squirming as I could never stand the bloody thing. Nor any of the cast for that matter save Captain Peacock and Mr Graces floosie.

Picking up on Pete Viney's comment re his TV mate I must say I'd have thought anybody who could boast even the most teeny weeny fleeting association with Fawlty Towers would have kept stum about any connection with 'Are you being Served' which for me rests firmly at the arse end of British "comedy" alongside 'Love thy Neighbour', 'On the buses', Mike and Bernie Winters and a huge and best forgotten assembly of others.

Now can we please talk about Tony Hancock, Alf Garnett, Alan Partridge and Chris Morris before Les and Nerys kick me out of bed for whining and complaining too much !!!

As Junior Soprano might be heard to say "I've had Grace Brothers so far up my arse I can taste Mrs Slocumbes hairspray!!"

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Peter Viney

Mojo covers- all is explained in the front. There are three in general circulation – Keith, Brian, Mick. Then there’s a shared cover with ‘Charlie & Bill’, but this can only be bought from ‘Mojo Recommended Retailers’ – a list of independent record stores or direct from Mojo. There aren’t any along the South coast of England. The covers have different quotes attributed to them. In the article inside the mag Keith says (of the knighthood), ‘Mick’s fucked up so many times, what’s another fuck up?’. On the cover this becomes ‘Mick’s screwed up so many times. So what’s another one?’ This was probably wise. The multiple covers idea is bizarre. Do people actually buy multiple copies? I think they might create ‘rarities’ – I noticed today Borders had about 20 Keith, and just one Mick. The last ‘Star Wars’ OST CD had four covers for a limited period, then changed it to one different composite. I believe the first ‘multiple record sleeve’ was the LP of Spooky Two by Spooky Tooth, which came in at least green, blue and purple, but possibly in maroon and brown too- I can’t remember, but my copy’s purple. I think it was an attention grabber rather than an attempt to sell several copies and I don’t think they bothered with the CD

To keep you up to date on these Davis reported rip-offs, it seems Billy Preston really wrote ‘Melody’ and Ian McLagan was paid a total of $20 for playing on two released tracks. Is Billy Preston the only musician who has played as a temporary member of the three big ones- The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Band? (Rather than someone lurching onstage for the odd jam)? I guess he hasn’t backed Dylan (not that I know) which screws up his c.v. slightly.

Mojo order of Stones albums was: 1) Exile 2) Bleed 3) Banquet 4) Sticky 5) Satanic.
The correct PV order would be 1) Bleed 2) Sticky 3) Banquet 4) Exile

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patricia

Subject: forgiveness...

Diamond Lil, May I e-mail you? I wanted to ask permission first. I have something that I am able to share with you now. Please leave your answer in the Gb or e-mail me rosalindrichardson@webtv.net thank you sweet sister

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carmen

Subject: Favorite Stones Album

Regards to all GB'ers. Been away a while. Back surgery has a way of keeping you away from a computer. Since the topic of the Stones has been kicked around, I thought I would poll everyone on their favorite Stones album. For my money, Black and Blue.

Also, take a look at the cover of Beggars Banquet (which is also a great album) and you will see to a referance to Dylan and on the back cover it says music from Big Brown. Any thoughts on this?

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Lil Again

Subject: asking the obvious question

What the hell is is "godo" day???! :-)

(Note to self: Have coffee before posting :-)

Have a _good_ one.

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Diamond Lil

Forgiveness is a gift you give a friend. I can give it, I can take it.. how bout you?

Have a godo day everyone.

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richie

Subject: mojo,nerys,captain peacock

dear peter. the mojo's are all keith ones in my home town of neath. answer to trivia. nerys hughes and william hurt film. second best. directed by chris menges, whhiliam hurt plays a loner living in the hills of wales who decides to adopt a young teenager. needless to say, the kid helps bill come out of himself. question. frank thornton who plays captain peacock in the magical are you being served had a small blink and you miss it role in gosford park. any guesses?

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Richard

Hi Bandfans. Well, all of those top 10 lists we've made in here over the years finally came in handy. I moved to China a few weeks ago to teach English and had to decide on what to bring with me. The Brown Album, Before the Flood and Planet Waves all made the cut. Didn't have BT on CD : ( Reading this GB over here is a real treat. It's like getting a letter from home everyday. I'm going to try and get the kids singing "The Weight", should be fun. PETER V: Did you say you had written books for ESL? If so drop me a line at ttrpatterson at hotmail.com and we'll exchange info. See you later folks!

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rosalind

I carry a cassette tape of my favorite Band material with me everywhere I go. I have four songs that are always back to back. Daniel and the Sacred Harp, The Weight, I Shall Be Released and This Wheels on Fire. They just seem to be kin....

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roz

Subject: ..it's good transportation..but the brakes aren't so hot

Dave Z _ thanks. and thank you for using the word "passion".. I might not got much else but I got that! and you know what they say.. "Any kind of love without passion..well it ain't no kinda lovin' at all"

I miss that Bassmanlee, He's probably off doin' a show or somethin'. That "if you ain't been to Edge City..you'll never understand" reminded me of that Dylan line in "Joey" ".. Cause they seemed to understand...what it's like to be in society with a shackel on your hand"

Caledonia _ Thanks for that Tom Waits post the other day.

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Bayou Sam

John once said in an interview that he gave Paul credit on "Give Peace....." out of guilt because he (John) was breaking away from Paul.

By the time John cut "How Do You Sleep", the guilt seemed to have subsided.

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Dave Z

I bet the Remedy CD release party is rocking right now... Hope G-Man posts a review... and the BBs are gonna do 4 nights in a row... Damn... maybe that's why I feel like I should be driving somewhere...

I kinda liked your passion on the sacred harp post, Roz... Made me daydream a little about a Cain & Able story with a different ending...

Paul G, I just ordered that Ronnie Hawkins book today...

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Crabgrass

Subject: "Satanic Majesties" Review

I'd have to say that the Stones' "Their Satanic Majesties Request" is quite a good album although musically a departure from their basic style and rather heavily influenced (with acknowlegement) by the Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper" album. Certainly, "2000 Light Years from Home" is a standout Jagger/Richards composition. This album proves that the Rolling Stones were creative beyond the rhythm & blues rock bag. I really like it - *****!!

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Neil Diamond

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Neil Diamond

Peter.. Love that show, they have it on PBS over here and do not miss it if I'm around, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Captain Peacock the one who ask's Mrs. Slocombe about her pussy...great show...

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Dexy

Subject: Half Past Dead

Noticed in an Entertainment Weekly item that erstwhile Levon co-star Steven Seagal's new movie is titles "Half Past Dead." Link above is to official site. EW said something about "the coolest movie title ever." Coincidence?

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jh

... please ignore (unstable server again)

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JTull Fan

Subject: Kansas

Scarlett. I'll have to check that out. Never been a big Kansas fan, but you have me intrigued. BEN: I don't know why you want so badly to be proven right. If I had postulated theories such as yours, I would be happy to be proven wrong and eat my dirty shoes!

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Peter Viney

The latest Mojo has a set of varied Stones covers (for obsessives). All the ones in the Dorset area seem to be "Keith" covers, though at Heathrow yesterday they were split between the Keiths and the Brians. On the whole, you'd want the Keith one (if only for Band connections- though Bill Wyman rings in with a strong Hawks / Hammond connection). Most perplexing was the 'Best Stones album' feature which put the dreadful 'Satanic Majesties' at number 5 (if you can't guess 1 - 4 you're not a fan. They scream at you, not that I agree with their Keith-driven sequence.)

Mrs Slocombe's Pussy - I once spent two weeks working with Bob Spiers who directed many 'Are You Being Served' plus a couple of Dad's Army & Fawlty Towers as well as 'Absolutely Fabulous' (and the Spice Girl's movie). He was a great Band fan, and we spent every trip to locations listening to 'The Travelin' Wilburys' & The Band - this was circa 1989 - I'd never thought of it before, but now I wonder if he was responsible for choosing 'This Wheel's On Fire' as the theme tune for Ab Fab. Probably, is my guess.

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Diamond Lil

Have a good evening everyone. Hug Jan.

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Scarlett Rivera

JTull fan, Brien Sz:

In order to avoid inducing anyone in error, I would add the following informations:

I dont know anything about the Kansas discography, but their main album 'Point of know return' which is also (i discovered this recently) 'the more listened to album in USA the 10 latest years' (Kansas official website). Their other albums may be quite different.

after reading the last Jtull fan post, i relistened the CD completely this afternoon. They are somewhat more electrical and loud than Tull in general, they dont use the flute. But now, I am convinced more than any time of what i said before. There is a strong Jethro Tull influence, which is the more perceptible in the following tracks (I update the list):

Point of know return - The Spider (instrumental) - The knew - Sparks of the tempest - Hopelessly human

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Back with no wife in Tennessee

So I've gotten the impression that a lot of people here have read, or are reading, Dennis McNally's Long Strange Trip, about the Grateful Dead. It's gotten mostly glowing reviews, from what I've seen. It may be the best book to date covering inside information about the band, although I haven't read many others. But there were a few things that I thought detracted from it. First, having over half of the book cover the first six years of their career was a bit too much. Granted, those might be the most interesting years to most people, and they were the years when the whole Grateful Dead ideology was established, but it kind of resulted in giving the impression that the band's career came to a peak in 1978, and the following 17 years were just sort of an epilogue. I mean, Brent Mydland's death gets what, a page? And Vince Welnick, who played with them for five years, is mentioned maybe three times. Bearing in mind that the majority of the book's readers are probably only familiar with the about last fifteen years of the band's career in a personal, first-person manner, most of them would probably enjoy more information about what was going on in the latter days of their career. McNally casually mentions that Bob Weir stopped writing with John Barlow sometime in the late '80s, which I never knew, but doesn't say anything about why. Then the little interlude chapters, they're interesting, and kind of give a feel for what a GD concert was like, but they also break the flow of the book. He'll mention a song in one of the interludes, then later on in the book, go into detail about the song, when it was recorded, and you sort of think, didn't I already read this? Finally, his ongoing reference to himself in the third person was a bit strange, I thought.

Okay, that's my New York Times book review. I'll turn in another one next year, when I actually read another book.

I have to say, after reading about The Band, the Grateful Dead, the Allman Brothers, all groups who at one time, to me at least, had the image of getting along together; I almost don't want to know anything more about the personal lives of these people. I'd rather be naive and idealistic. I'd kind of rather not know that Bob Weir and Brent Mydland got into fistfights in the dressing rooms, that Weir wouldn't play an encore because he was pissed at the drummers, that Brent Mydland walked into New York city traffic with his eyes closed, or that no one in the band said anything to Kreutzman when his father died. Although I think the thing about reading tell-all books like that is, it sort of makes you focus on the negative things that you weren't aware of. In reality, that sort of thing is probably quickly forgotten by the participants. Just like in a family, the bad stuff flares up but then is dropped, but to an outsider, you think, "Wow, I didn't know it was that bad and dysfunctional."

So the insurance company finally sent me a new radio after the bastard Levonistas stole my old one, and it said it was XM Radio capable. I thought that was kind of cool, although I still didn't plan on spending $10 a month to listen to the radio. BUT, then I found out that in addition to the monthly fee, you have to buy a special antenna, and a satellite converter, that costs about $250 (or so I was told). See, I think the idea of satellite radio is pretty cool, especially for long drives, but fuck paying probably $350 to get the equipment, then an additional monthly fee, for something that may or may not be around two years from now. And that's just for one radio - I guess you have to pay another $10 a month to have it in another car, or at home. That's why I don't think the sattelite radio thing is going to fly, so to speak, I just don't think most people are going to be willing to pay for it. They'll pay $70 a month for 500 channels of shite on TV, and for their cell phones, but I think the average consumer feels differently about radio. We'll see. But I think it's going to end up as another good idea that just doesn't end up working. Like audio DVDs, minidiscs, DVix and rent-a-BWNWITenn.

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Charlie Young

Subject: Warren Zevon

I'm sure that there are other connections to The Band, but I'll be boring and point out that Bruce Hornsby played accordian on Zevon's 1995 MUTINEER album (I guess Garth was not available). Hornsby, of course, played with Robbie as well as the latter-day version of The Band on various occasions, but I doubt if he ever got anywhere near the accordian if Garth was around.

The saddest part about Zevon is that he quit smoking eight years ago--though he kept the sunglasses-wearing skull with cigarette in mouth as his "logo." I'm really kicking myself for missing his recent tour now. May his struggle be as painless as possible...

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LEE HO FUK

Subject: werewolves, chinese food, and perfect hair

richie, come on down and have a big dish of beef chow mein some time when you're in London.

Warren Zevon rocks! Rock on!

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Ben Pike

Thanks Pat, of course I am right about the court's rip off 2000 by the Scallia five, in one of the great criminal acts of American History; as I am about "One Clear Moment." Someday, PV, you should look into what I have been saying about, ahem... other matters, you'll see all the facts back me up there too.

But this whole thing has gotten me thinking about the movie "Perfect" again. How about the great scene in the begining where Carly Simon throws her drink at Travolta? This has got to be one of the most bogus moments in cinema history, right down there with when John Wayne played Genghis Kahn(You look more like his brother Don, pilgrim). Can you imagine Carly Simon, the queen of manipulative glossy rock mag hype, getting MAD at ROLLING STONE for the press they gave her? Dispite making some good records, Simon's career was always sustained by endless self indulgent puff pieces.

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richie

Subject: warren zevon

get well soon warren. interestingly the london chinese resteraunt mentioned in werewolves of london is still going strong and carries a picture of warren in the window. its bang in the middle of chinatown. i cant bloody remember the name of it. there was an excellent feature on warren in a recent edition of uncut magazine. he came across as a guy who'd taken a few knocks but was still out there giving it back big time. lets hope that spirit sees him through this terrible crisis. good luck warren. richie.

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Peter Viney

I admit I peaked in the search engine, so will leave the answer to Richie's question to a more honest poster. Nerys's website does not show her in uniform as The District Nurse. I'm sure they didn't want to upset Al's mate Les unduly. Still, no doubt it lingers in our collective memory - I think she reverts to her own Welsh accent for this, but it's been so long since it was shown, even in the most arcane areas of satellite TV.

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Ilkka

Subject: To Bill, about spelling the surname of our highly respected webmaster - Brown Eyed Girl's pics.

For the first: thanks for spelling my name correctly. I appreciate it. Honestly.
You said that my post on the correct spelling of the name of our highly respected webmaster Mr. Høiberg was sarcastic. I read it myself once again. I must admit that you are right (well, maybe not _right_ but let's say: you are not wrong :-). Actually, the difference between an 'o' and an 'ø' is as dramatic as difference between saying 'Bill', 'bull' or 'ball'. (You said something like "who cares" :-)

I learned to be sarcastic when I was 15 seconds old: when I yelled for the first time the midwife said: "SHUT UP KID, FRANF KAFKA HAD IT NOT SO FUN, EITHER!"

Thanks BEG for the pics you posted for some time ago!

My link is my gb vCard, and my emailaddress is woodlark.geo (Danish pastry) yahoo.com

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Mike D.

Mike

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richie

Subject: nerys hughes

as someone from nerys hughes's neck of the woods ill throw in my twopenneth in the form of some nerys hughes trivia. name the film in which she starred with william hurt. no quick peaks on the net for the answer please!

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Brien Sz

Subject: NLSC, Kansas

Well first Kansas; they are one of those groups that I lump in with Jethro Tull, I don't dislike them, but rarely if ever listen to them. I had friend who was a Kansas fanatic and learned all their songs on guitar. They use to have some rockin' songs but it seems time has been unkind to them in a radio play sense.., maybe satellite radio will be kinder.

NLSC: I use to knock this effort. Then after the reissues came out, I came to realize the error of my ways. Still not in the rotation as much as other Band cd's but it gets its share.., More so than Cahoots, which I listen to every couple of months to see when I'll see what I'm supposedly missing..,

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Mike D.

I am a bit late in airing my opinion of Stage Fright. I missed out, due to family matters. I say that's it just as good as the first two. Dare I say it, but the first two albums get a little too much praise. Ok, flame me :) Much to the detriment of Stage Fright, Rock Of Ages and the rest. Stage Fright was the 2nd Band album I have ever heard. I think it's more honest and revealing than the others. What do I mean by that? Well, the album seems to be hinting at how their lives were and how success had affected everything. And yes, the DCC disc and the 1990 cd (the same alternate mixes) is my preference. I love Robbie's acosutic being phased on "Daniel And The Sacred Harp", which wasn't on the original. Enough rambling. I like the thought of Pretzel Logic (the song) being on NLSC. I sometimes have wondered what wizardry Garth could've done to some of the Dan material.

I can even imagine Richard singing Billy Joel's "Baby Grand". Ok, to me he does sound like Ray Charles. I guess it's just the emotion of his vocals...I still haven't heard anyone else sing and put so much emotion into a vocal.

Mike

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no more personal stuff in the GB after this...

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JTull Fan

Subject: Lots, Rick Danko Answer, NLSC, 1876, Kansas

To our new friend in Kentucky, welcome. The song in question is Sip The Wine, from Rick Danko's first, self-titled LP. He re-recorded it for 1999's Live On Breeze Hill (studio version, not live). KANSAS/Tull: I have to be honest and say that I am not too familiar with Kansas beyond their radio successes, and that's too bad because I am really intrigued that they may have a Tull influence. How DOES one reflect a Tull influence? Ian himself has stated that it would be difficult to pull off without being derivative, at least if a flute is used, but perhaps acoustically,and in terms of meter and time signatures, it is possible. I really regret I've blown my opportunity for comment! NORTHERN LIGHTS: I love he textured depths of this album and believe Richard's vocals (and Rick's on It Makes No Diff) are sublime and beautiful. The album definately does not get its' due. Perhaps so because, as seen in the writing credits, it is as close to a RR solo album as the Band ever made, perhaps Storyville, if it had the rest of the guys, would have been similar. Rags and Bones sounds almost Steely Danesque to me, and could have fit on Pretzel Logic, whose title track would have fit well on NLSC. PAT BRENNAN: I am not familiar, or more likely have forgotten, the issue of the Louisiana results. I'll take your word on it though. I would think given the state in question they would have favored the Democrats, but still, the political parties calling themselves Democrat and Republican today are not the same ones that did so 100 or more years ago, and will evolve again 100 years from now.

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rosalind

Diamond Lil _ The other day when I sang that song from "Ballad of the Sad Cafe" at ya, I just had the song in my head, (words and sounds swim around in my head.) It wasn't until I posted that I realized what the movie was about. patricia's sorry...I'm completely misunderstood out there, I can amagine how it looks in here...

I hope Mr. Donabie doing alright..

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Bob Murphy

Subject: Comment and question

I just started listening to the bands music and I just can't beleive how good there lyrics and all out sound is.It makes me wish that some of todays bands would just sit down and listen to the bands music and realize that music doesn't have to be commercial but that it has to say somthing or move something inside you.Having said all of that I have a question to ask, I was watching The Last Waltz recently and in scene 24 Martin Scorsese is talking to Rick Danko and asking him what he was doing now,what was the name of the song that Rick Danko played for him and is it on any of the bands albums or Rick Danko's albums.If someone could answer this for me I can finally get some sleep at night.My e'mail is bmurphy19@hotmail.com .Also please excuse my spelling I'm from ky you know.

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rosalind

Subject: correction...

I should have said "Most of us won't know" instead of "Some of us won't know."...

Diamond Lil _ See , I'm bein' myself....

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Roger Woods

Subject: Nerys Hughes

The GB has evolved beyond recognition in a week. Peace breaks out, Al Edge returns and Nerys Hughes (did she get up and sing with the Band at the Forum in '96 or was that someone else?) is rampant all over it.

By some strange chance I saw Garth on Letterman too. (He's so unfunny and didn't mention Garth.) Next thing has to be Levon and Robbie having dinner with The Hawk.

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rosalind

Subject: Daniel and the Sacred Harp

Everybody seems so fond of analysis and musicology when it comes to this amazing group. that's great stuff, but I must mention what this song means to me.

There's this kid, see, and he feels like he was called from his mother's womb for a special service. Except his family wasn't musical in any remarkable way, so he had to make it happen on his own. He prayed and prayed for a way to make this miracle happen. Finally it began to manifest itself. He thought he had finally gotten his prayer through and God had mercy and had given him his miracle. But as the boy grew he began to realize that maybe he had been wrong about the the direction in which the seed had come. He became blind and suffering. No one understood. Finally he broke down. He told his brothers but they did not understand. He went to his Heavenly Father in desperation. His Father said "Son You've given in... You know ya won that harp...but you're lost in sin" The boy went away with his head low... He went back to that mountain and he "Blew across this meadow like a wipperwill" ....But the more he played, the more it hurt.... He saw the faces light up when he played his harp. He knew that he was spreading the gospel. But what kind of gospel. Was it a good gospel or a bad gospel? Some of us won't know till we reach the other side....

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Peter Viney

I've just got to the bit where Ronnie Wood and Mick Taylor got ripped off for their writing credits. Will there be no end?

Loo posters- the essential two are the tennis player scratching her bum, and Frank Zappa sitting on the throne, but after 30 odd years on the wall, they begin to look a bit unpleasant. But the Van Morrison smiling one has HUGE rarity value.

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rosalind

Richie_ I personally Love "Northern Light" "Hobo Jungle" is my favorite Band song along with "Whispering Pines" and "Rockin' Chair" and "Let The Night Fall" off "Islands".

David Powell _ thanks...

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richie

Subject: underrated gem

my own vote for a band classic not fully given the credit it deserved at the time would be northern lights southern cross. it contains 2 of my fav. r. manuel vocal performances, hobo jungle and rags and bones; the awsome it makes no diff(dear old rick in magnificent form) and the majestic acadian driftwood as its centrepiece. the cover is great, everything about it is class. nlsc should have been a launchpad for even greater heights instead of a sort of studio epitaph for the original quintet (does islands count?)any comments?

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Scarlett Rivera

Here are some tracks in Kansas album "Point of know return" (1976, CD remastered 2002) where it's hard not finding at least a Jethro Tull influence:

- The instrumental track - Closet chronical - Hoplessly Human - ...

Coincidence ?...It could be very interesting to have a Jethro Tull expert advice

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Al Edge

Don't go there Tennessee la. Stay out of it. She's gonna be mine. The postman has just reached number 124 as we speak - only 6 more deliveries to go and she'll be on my loo wall. I redecorated it last night in anticipation. The Band pic's still there of course.

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Dave Hopkins

JTullFan: The way I heard it, McCartney got composer's credit on "Give Peace a Chance" as thanks from Lennon for helping him record "The Ballad of John and Yoko," which, as you may know, features just John and Paul since Harrison and Starr were unavailable at the time.

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Pete Rivard

Subject: The Stones at Buddy Guy's

Here's a cautionary tale on the vagaries or fate and cosmic injustice: Three years ago I started a new job teaching at a technical institute in Minnneapolis. Another instructor in my department happened to start on the same day, and we hit it off famously. We get to Chicago three or four times a year on business, and the first time we went together in '99 he wanted to go to the Hard Rock Cafe or The House of Blues and I flatly refused. I informed him that when we visit Chicago, we go to either Buddy Guy's Legends or Kingston Mines to get our music fix, and there'll be no debate on the subject.

He soon saw the error of his ways, and we've been taking our business to both of the aforementioned venues since. This past week, my colleague went to Chicago with his second-year students to a trade show, and I had to stay behind to host another group's annual meeting in Minneapolis.

So Wednesday evening, he takes the "of age" students to Buddy Guy's. They stuff themselves with crawfish etoufee, washed down with Goose Island, and about 12:30 Buddy himself takes the stage from that night's act. He says, "I gotta couple of friends here tonight. They come here to relax. But if everybody promises to just kick back and leave these guys alone, I might get 'em onstage with me for a tune or two. Don't be houndin' 'em for no autographs or nothin'."

Well, his friends were Mick Jagger and Ron Wood.

Now, ain't that a kick in the pants? If not for me, he would have been at the Hard Rock Cafe Wednesday standing in line for T-shirts. Instead, he's sitting at a table 15 feet from the stage knockin' back Goose Islands while Mick and Buddy are jammin' on Red Rooster.

SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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sadavid

Subject: coincidence?

Most probably coincidence, but a couple of weeks ago I noticed a rare enough phenomenon – Band references in general-interest magazines. First there was May's "Atlantic Monthly" where "The Puzzler" featured 'The Band" as the solution to D1 (regrets to those still working this!).

Then "Vanity Fair" (I'm guessing July, I've tossed the rest of the mag) had a mini-article by Lisa Robinson in the "Fanfair" section that begins, "When V.F. photographer Sam Jones wanted to make a movie about 'a great American rock band at the height of its creative powers,' he asked the critically acclaimed Wilco if he could follow them around while they made their sixth album, 'Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.' Says Jones, 'They struck me as having the same philosophy as a group like the Velvet Underground or the Band – that old-time "music comes first" integrity – and I miss that.'"

Then the August issue of "Famous" (the give-away at our Famous Players cinema chain) had a short piece by Michael White ("the music editor of Calgary's 'Straight'") on the Saskatoon band Wide Mouth Mason's new album "Rained Out Parade.":

"The album was recorded at the Tragically Hip's rustic Bathhouse recording studio near Kingston, Ontario. 'Before we even recorded a note, I had been really interested in the idea of doing a "Music from Big Pink" kind of vibe,' [Shaun Verrault] excitedly recalls, referencing The Band's legendarily organic-sounding 1967 album. 'The sort of album where we go live in a house and where, if you hear the toilet flushing, it just adds to the song. We would mic the walls so you could hear the way the room shook or reverberated when music was being played in it.'"

...today "National Geographic" shows up with 55746 as the month's featured zip code. That happens to be Hibbing, Minnesota, and there's much mention of Mr. Z. in the article....

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Ricky K

Subject: intro rips

I've always thought The Eagles ripped the intro to Tequila Sunrise from Ian & Sylvia's "Someday Soon" (maybe the Judy Collins Version)

John D: this time, the sign off's for you:

Dileas gu brath

Ricky K AKA Aquagoat

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Pat Brennan

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Will

I enjoy your site very much.

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JTull Fan

Subject: credit thread

If you check the credits to Aqualung, you will see it credited to Ian and Jennie Anderson, whom he was married to for only a very short while. She had taken photos of homeless people, which inspired him to write the song, and feeling generous, gave her 1/2 the credit to the biggest commercial success he would ever write. Doh! Interesting how Paul McCartney gets 1/2 the credit on Give Peace A Chance. I doubt he was between John and Yoko when John wrote the song during that bed-in. At least it shows John lived by their cowriters agreement until the end.