The Band Guestbook, August 2018

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jh

«Eastside». Benny Blanco, feat . Kalid & Halsey. Produced by our own Cashmere Cat! #1 in the UK right now. Must’ve been the magic vibes he picked up when we took him to Woodstock and Levon Helm Studios five years ago.

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Garth at a Last Waltz Tribute concert

Garth and Maud will be featured guests at a Last Waltz tribute concert in Berlin, New Jersey in October. See expectingrain dot com, link #11 for details.

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Pat B

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PSB

Subject: Not A cappella

The link is to the supposedly a cappella version of "I Shall Be Released." It is not a capella at all, the other instruments are turned down. What bullshit.

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Peter V

Subject: Age of Corruption

Here's an oddity for you. I heard it on the excellent new 3 CD set "Gathered From Coincidence: The British Folk Pop Sound of 1965-1966." CD2 is Protest songs and the reverse. This is a spoof of "Eve of Destruction" along much the same line as The Spokesmen's US answer disc "Dawn of Correction." It has some funny lines (and it's ALAN Klein, not Rolling Stones' manager ALLEN Klein). There are several similar on the CD including Barbara Ruskin's answer disc to Like A Rolling Stone, "Well? How does it feel?"

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Rockin Chair

Subject: Friends in low places

Thank you folks for the birthday wishes. I appreciate. Had a great supper of ribs and rice and great corn on the cob from Susie and her sister. Going for a couple day cruise on the Rockin Chair tomorrow.........be well.

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Lisa

Many happy returns, Norm, have a good one!

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Bill M

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Peter V

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Jed

Peter-is it possible Garth and Levon added their parts after Rick had passed?

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Jed

So that’s your name! Happy Birthday.

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Peter V

Steve Miller Band's "Recall The Beginning - A Journey From Eden" (1973) was his only album never on CD. It's been announced several times and withdrawn over the years. Then it was announced again a few weeks ago, and has been put back twice. But today it arrived. One of my all-time greats. Absolutely zero information on the remastering. I've had a "vinyl drop CD" for years, recorded straight off the LP. The CD does sound louder at the same volume setting and the bass guitar definitely better. But this is one to get. Jesse Ed Davis joins Steve Miller on guitar, Gerad Johnson on bass, Jim Keltner & Gary Mallaber on drums, Ben Sidran on keyboards.

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Peter V

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Rockin Chair

Subject: My Words

An' I'm stickin' to 'em! See.......I'm an old man gawd damn it! I'm 74 today. I can't be expected to remember all this music there's too much. I think my random access memory is all used up.

I agree with everything you said Jed. Thanks for the link Peter.

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Peter V

A further note. Levon plays mandolin and Garth plays accordion on Ripple, so it's as much The Band as you get after 1986.

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Peter V

Subject: Rick Danko: Ripple

There you go … Rick's version of Ripple is on YouTube. Linked.

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Peter V

And a song covered beautifully by Rick Danko on Times Like These.

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Jed

Any self respecting deadhead knows Ripple,a beautiful song and dead classic. The version you refer to is a wonderful celebration of the song done by artists around the world. The Americana of the dead,as exemplified by American Beauty and Workingmans Dead merit way more attention than they get.

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Rockin Chair

Subject: Keelin Garcia

On the youtube video of this song, I didn't realize, Jerry' Garcia's daughter "Keelin" sings in this video and at the end the song is dedicacted to Jerry.

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Rockin Chair

Subject: Ripple

I thought I might get somebody to bite. Ripple is a song Bob Hunter wrote in London. I believe around 1970. Jerry Garcia wrote the music to it.

I had forgotten the song. When I first heard it on my CD it kept grating on my mind because I knew it was familiar but I couldn't place it. It came to me and I had to look it up. Long time ago and not a big hit but a memorable song.

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Rockin Chair

Subject: Ripple

Wonder if any have heard the song "Ripple"? On the CD of (Playing for Change) I got a short while ago.

This song is about the hereafter. The singers are David Hidalgo, Jimmy Buffet, David Crosby mostly, with many choir and other singers. Bill Kreutzsmann plays drums. Should give it a listen.......wonderful.

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Pat B

The British The Band? Complete with their own Big Pink.

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Dunc

Subject: Thanks, Jan

Great rendition of a great song from Maud and Garth. Great photography - the camera guy caught something special. Loved it.

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John D

Thank you Jan. Something about Garth’s eyes in the reflection of the spotlight. Maud was very strong in her vocals. Beautiful version of the Rick Danko (Band) classic.

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Rockin Chair

Subject: Eric Clapton's Yacht

Don't know how many of yuz know about Eric's yacht, "Va Bene". 22 million bucks. Looks like he's got it for sale now. You can just google (eric Clapton's yacht) for a look.

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Peter V

Couldn’t locate it on YouTube, but if it is just vocal up, music down, I am not surprised. Watkins Glen. The Basement Tapes in 1975.

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Peter V

Thanks, Jan. Extraordinary. Last time I saw them was 2007, eleven years ago. And Garth is still playing such amazing piano and Maud is still singing sublimely. All power to them both.

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jh

Audience video of Garth and Sister Maud Hudson, live at the Huichica Music Festival, August 24th, 2018, at Chaseholm Farms, Pine Plains, NY. Earlier the same evening, Garth had guested on Mercury Rev's multi-media performance. Garth and Maud played a set of songs by The Band, that included «The Weight», «The Genetic Method», «I Shall Be Released», and «It Makes No Difference».

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Joe Frey

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Peter V

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Peter V

The drums do sound amazing on the remix, but the … pardon me … precision … has gone out of Rick's bass so it sounds like when you're sitting in a cinema trying to watch a pleasant film, and Earthquake is playing next door and you can hear the bass rumbling loudly through the walls. Yes, it rumbles along anyway, but not this boomy. The piano always comes in on the left channel but it seems to have jumped even further to the left (audience left). Same computer, same speakers, same volume setting. But I'll reserve it till I hear it on a proper system.

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Joe Frey

Subject: MFBP remixed

For those who want a preview, iTunes has snippets of the remixed The Weight, This Wheel's on Fire and I Shall Be Released (accapella). joe

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Dunc

If it wasn't for your Canadian musings many years ago, Bill M, I wouldn't have connected Crispian St Peters 'Say You Don't Mind', which I bought about 1966 as a single, and still think is great; 'Four Strong Winds' on Neil Young's 'Comes a Time' - one of my favourite songs on one of my favourite albums; Gene Clark's 'The French Girl' - I'm a dedicated Byrdsman and Judy Collins' 'Someday Soon' - I thought this was great when I first heard it and still do. All are still played regularly.

You're in your little part of the world and I'm in mine...but I got out Ian and Sylvia's Greatest Hits and am playing them just now. That's it just finished..onto 'Comes A Time'.

But I've got to be honest and sat that the greatest Canadian influence in my life just now is 'Dino Dan'. Thanks Bill M.

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Bill M

Dunc: Glad you wrote, as it reminded me to note that I played that other Ian Tyson LP, which was one or two before "Cowbiography", and it's excellent. So excellent that I thought I'd better listen to "Cowbiography" again; I did and I liked it! The mind can be a complicated place, and a fickle one.

As you know, the complete BTs has the Bobster doing a couple of Tyson tunes, and a couple more covers that appeared on Ian and Sylvia's "Four Strong Winds" LP. Makes me suspect that Dylan was thinking of the I&S versions when thinking of what to play and how to play 'em in the basement. The Ian and Sylvia biography of a few years ago has Suze Rotolo talking about how Dylan worshipped Ian back in the day - not so much for his music but for his persona.

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Garth & Maud at NY State Festival...

Expectingrain dot com has a link to Garth & Maud playing It Makes No Difference at the festival Friday night.

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Dunc

Subject: Thanks Bill M

I missed that Jeff Healy's version of 'The Weight', Bill, so will seek it out. But Peter has got me interested in Richard Thompson's solo work and I found a great version of The Weight with Richard Thompson, Elvis Costello, Nick Lowe and Alan Touissant with Levon on drums. Really good. I have The Brentford trilogy, but have not done much with it.

I am playing Liege and Lief just now.

Still play the iconic songs in Ian and Sylvia's greatest hits, but know little more of them than that. I enjoy their version of Nancy Whiskey.

Thanks, Bill M.

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Rockin Chair

Subject: In Dreams

Every one should have a dream like this......at least once. I can't figure it out.. I had a dream last night. I won some kind of hoaky contest. I can't remember what it was but I got to play music with Paul McCartney and Ringo. Eric Clapton was playing the other guitar.

Y'know the riff that begins "I Feel Fine". Well I got to play that and we sang that song. I don't know where in hell we were but it was at a ship yard. Eric and Paul were working on their yachts and I was working on mine. I don't know if Paul even has a yacht. I know Eric does. I don't know how come there was a crowd and concert there but it was sure loud. Now that gawd damn song is ringing in my ears and won't go away!

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Peter V

Subject: Deadfall (1968)

This minor rush of 1968 films reviewed continues with "Deadfall" linked. Michael Caine, Eric Portman, Giovanna Ralli. A truly great John Barry score too.

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Peter V

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Bill M

Jon L: I agree that it's good to have the '70s Basement Tapes official release around, even if it's not as absolutely essential as the complete set of (Dylan) BT recordings released a few years ago. For one thing, because it's not as exhaustive, it's not as exhausting, and because there are a lot fewer songs to keep in mind it's easier to notice thematic and lyrical (and of course musical) similarities among songs. I noticed today that the simple idea of saying hello to somebody for somebody else turns up in several places - TWOF, "Tiny Montgomery", "Too Much Of Nothing" … and most famously "The Weight". While obviously not from any BT collection, "The Weight" is certainly of the period. (It occurs to me that a young person listening to the parent's CD would wonder why these people didn't cut out the crap and just send emails.)

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Wallsend

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Bill M

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Peter V

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John D

I believe that John Simon will like that review. It is interesting the way he talks about Clearmountain's mix and the way Giles Martin does re-mixes of classic albums. Scathing is a good word PSB.

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Peter V

An extract from my ongoing book on Record Collecting. It takes us up to now, just before I hear the Big Pink remastering. The link by PSB sounds ominous. Anyway, on remixing in general …

The Remix

In the beginning I had the Dansette record play. Two controls. Volume and Tone. My friend’s better Dansette had three: volume, bass and treble. They were mono.

In 1970 I knew a guy who had a stereo record player. It was a classic bright red and cream 60s record player with integrated speaker, with a plug in extra speaker. There was a balance control and a tone control on both record player and its extension speaker. The balance control was important for listening to The Velvet Underground, because you could isolate and understand the spoken voice narrative on The Gift and Murder Mystery by turning down the thrashy background music as far as possible – the voice was all one side. That’s what early stereo mixes often were – vocals on one side and music on the other, which is why the early Beatles albums all sound best in mono. The Beatles participated in the mono mix, but left the stereo mix to engineers.

My friend was advised that you could hear things differently if you put one speaker on full bass and the other on full treble. It sounded awful, but then as he was listening to The Doors a lot, especially The End, the source sounded awful in the first place. Another friend with an early component stereo (turntable, amplifier, speakers) maintained that you should have full bass and full treble on, otherwise you were losing something.

Do you remember the amplifiers of the late 1970s? They came with a bank of “equalizers” or tiny faders for different frequencies. So you could fiddle around lifting a particular frequency which might bring up an instrument higher in the mix. Hi-fi buffs held that they denigrated the sound. High-end amplifiers by the late 80s had no tone controls at all- my 1990s Myrad system has none. Why fiddle with the intended mix, hi fi buffs said.

You still get the “fiddle about” effect on some car stereos where you can select POP / Classical / Easy Listening / Rock which changed the tone balance. Some systems have equalizers. Home cinema systems were fond of settings like Concert Hall / Auditorium / Club. The Pioneer 5.1 amp I used to have would let you select Concertgebouw, Amsterdam or Budokan, Tokyo or even Royal Albert Hall which was notorious for bad sound.

In the early days of the Apple Mac computer, Peter Gabriel released what many believed would be the future of music. You loaded it onto your tiny black and white Mac, and you had the song, but you had the faders the engineer had in the studio on screen, so you could remix it to your heart’s delight. It was great fun for half an hour, isolating bass guitar for me, but you soon realized that Peter Gabriel’s original mix was how it sounded best.

DVD-Audio, and SACD introduced a brief fad for the 5.1 remix to suit home cinema systems. Some, like Lyle Lovett’s Joshua Judges Ruth were interesting by putting the choir up in a balcony behind you. Pink Floyd’s Money had the tills revolving around the four speakers in a dizzying whirl. The Last Waltz DVD-Audio tried to place you on the middle of the stage. Music From Big Pink also got a 5.1 mix.

Giles Martin created LOVE for the Cirque du Soleil with radical remixes of Beatles songs and they were brilliant – never replacements for the originals, but alternatives, like the vocal only Because. He went on to remix Sergeant Pepper.

Yes have decided to re-issue their five classic albums completely remixed by Stephen Wilson.

DJ remixes are a different category, creating a new piece. Recently we’ve had DJ remixes of Bob Dylan’s Masters of War by The Avener for Record Store Day 2018. It is horrendously mind-numbingly awful. Paul Simon handed over Graceland for 2018s release Graceland- The remixes. I haven’t managed to listen all the way through.

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PSB

Subject: Big Pink 50th Anniversary reissue

The link is to an excellent and scathing review of the Big Pink remixed album by music journalist Chris Morris.

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Bill M

Joe J: Send Jan H a note asking for the work around. It's simple, but only he has the power.

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joe j

Easy answer?

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Peter V

I have both "Gunfighter" albums. I was just in Sainsbury's supermarket and they had a 3 CD / 60 song "Very Best of Marty Robbins" at £3. I picked one up. It's because they're pre-1962 recordings so out of European copyright. It's sad to see so much being given away for so little. Fortunately for artists with 1963-68 records the term was extended, so they haven't fallen out of copyright.

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Rockin Chair

Subject: Decisions

I sit here with the head phones on playing some of my old favourites, as well some of the suggestions by good friends here who really know their music. Very enjoyable.

Even some of Susan's music she likes. I just played her a 1983 video of the "Ever Lovin Brothers", Wake Up Little Susie.

I've played for about 55 years now and thru' country, and rock and roll and everything in between there are the songs that stand out, (for me). Playing "The Weight", "A Whiter Shade of Pale", many, many country and rock and roll songs that have great meaning in your life and even helped you thru'.

I have come to the one song, (again for me) that I suppose is most applicable and means the most to me in my life. There is a video of Bob Seger, now sitting down, with white hair and glasses on. He shares his song with a young guy named Jason Andean, good singer. It is very obvious how this young guy respects Bob Seger and does justice to this song. Watch the video if you have a minute. I have sung this song for so many years and my mind goes to the nights I bucked a real heavy south east gale with my tug. Got a real shit kicking and really earned my money. If you listen to the lyric you can understand how we spent our younger years. "Runnin' Against the Wind".........

Peter, there are several great videos of Ronnie Robbins. Two that stand out, (when he was younger" are "Elpaso" and "Don't Worry 'bout Me". Remember you'll find it on my CD.

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Peter V

Subject: Yvonne Elliman

Link to Yvonne Elliman on "The Moon Struck One." Voice and piano. Her vocals bring out the lovely intricacy of the melody but also highlight the dire lyrics. Definitely the worst lyric Robbie ever wrote.

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Re: Basement Tapes

Bill M, if I'm honest I kind of "miss" the Band songs from the 70s Basement Tapes album, as I have the Dylan box set but no longer have the Band stuff in playable format. I'd be a sucker for a 1CD release that compiled the Band songs with a handful of outtakes or whatever... I'm sure it's all available on iTunes somewhere, but still.

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Peter V

Subject: A White Sport Coat

Just listened to Ronnie Robbins on my old favourite “A White Sport Coat and a Pink Carnation”. He is very close. In the UK, it was covered by Terry Dene, and charted at #18. Marty Robbins did nothing here, sadly. I knew the Terry Dene cover because my older sister liked him. The big UK hit was by The King Brothers (LINKED), which got to #6. It’s radically different to the original or to the Terry Dene cover version. It may come as a shock if you know and love the Marty Robbins original. I first became a rock snob (aka expert) when I heard Marty Robbins on the radio and decided it was the best version.

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Peter V

I will, Norm. To expand on Bernie Taupin’s sleeve notes on his C&W influences, I think Lefty Frizell would have been someone he investigated AFTER hearing The Band doing Long Black Veil. Well, that’s what I did anyway. Taupin is my generation. Johnny Horton, and Johnny Cash had British hits. The other was Claude King’s Wolverton Mountain.

But in popularity, Marty Robbins was in a league above them. A few years ago, National Parks shops in the US West were still selling vinyl LPs of “Gunfighter Ballads” even when vinyl was at its nadir.

Taupin singled out El Paso. A memory here for Roger W. Our music teacher at school would have a day when we could bring in records. One lad brought in “El Paso.’ He listened avidly. The next lesson was an analysis of El Paso linked with classical records he connected with it. He considered West Side Story the greatest achievement of the 20th century and put El Paso up there. He loved it and had never heard it before. The man was something of a figure of fun to us teenagers, mainly because on a couple of occasions per year, teachers had to wear their academic gowns with coloured hoods. His was bright purple with white fur around the hood, which made him look like Liberace. It must have been the unfortunate choice of some music school. When I graduated from U. of East Anglia they had blue "mini-gowns" instead of the normal long dusty black. Fortunately I never had to wear one in public. I believe they abandoned them in the late 1970s.

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Rockin Chair

Subject: Ronnie Robbins

Peter, I noticed your mention of Marty Robbins "Gunfighter Ballads". Have you looked at any Ronnie Robbins videos on youtube. It is unreal! If you close your eyes you are listening to Marty Robbins.

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Peter V

Subject: 60s films revisited: Bullit

Continuing the series of revisited and re-appraised 1960s films. As it was mentioned, we went for BULLIT next. Do comment on the page over there if you feel so moved … or here.

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Bill M

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Bill M

Joe J: I think it's you who's mentioned the great Figgy Duff, a Newfoundland folk-rock band of the '70s and '80s. (Everyone else, think Fairport or Steeleye Span.) Though I saw them twice in '78 / '79, I never owned any of their records until today - not that I was aware they had any until fairly recently. Got their second LP, "After the Tempest" at the sacred record store today - wonderful. My favourite song is at the link, though Peter V might prefer "Honour, Riches (Song From The Tempest", with lyrics by William Shakespeare.

Dunc: At the same place and for the same price ($2 per) I picked up two of Ian Tyson's 'return' LPs from the '80s and one of Sylvia's. So far, after the best known of them - Ian's "Cowboyography" -I'd say I prefer them together, but I will persevere.

Also bought the "Basement Tapes" CD, i.e., the CD version of the '70s con. I think I dumped the LP in a fit of pique when I found out about the overdubbing, but have come around to seeing the worthwhileness of at least some of the enterprise. The new, pretend BT songs, that is, not the overdubs like Garth's sax and Robbie's guitar closing out "Orange Juice Blues", for example, but even then they certainly sound good.

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Dave H

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Bonk

Something I've wondered about for a long time is in the case of the 50th edition of MFBP and other such re-issues, do the guys in the band or their families get compensated any?

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Peter V

Subject: My Father's Gun

In case you don't remember (Elton John version linked).

From this day on I own my father's gun

We dug his shallow grave beneath the sun

I laid his broken body down below the Southern land

It wouldn't do to bury him where any Yankee stands

Yes, that's the night they drove old Dixie down …

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Peter V

But what I did listen to in the car driving home: Restorations, the Songs of Elton John & Bernie Taupin - Nashville edition. Stand out tracks on first two listenings are Sacrifice by Don Henley & Vince Gill, Please by Rhonda Vincent and Dolly Parton and Mona Lisas and Mad Hatters by Maren Morris.

Border Song by Willie Nelson is interesting in a very late period Johnny Cash way. Bernie Taupin's sleeve note mentions listening to the Louvins and Lefty Frizell at an early age, toether with Johnny Cash and Johnny Horton. I don't really believe ANY British kids listened to Lefty Frizell. What I do believe is the massive influence of "Gunfighter Ballads and Trail Songs" by Marty Robbins, which was around a lot in the UK. He says that was a life changer.

Re-read the lyrics of My Father's Gun. My goodness, that is the lyric of a guy who obviously played The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down for hours.

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Peter V

Yesterday I saw an LP in a charity shop - Yvonne Elliman, great singer and Eric Clapton collaborator, great British band listed from 1973 including Caleb Quaye. well, that's worth £3. Very clean vinyl. Anyway, I just peeled off the large Charity Shop "Gift Aid" sticker on the back, which concealed a couple of the track list … and there it was . The Moon Struck One (J.R.R. Robertson). It is already on the discography here, but I hadn't remembered it. No time to play it tonight … looking forward to it tomorrow.

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JQ

Did he use any pedals or other (unnatural) effects at TLW?

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Bill M

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JQ

I have nothing salient, except I worry if we don’t get something going Jan might lose interest. I was wondering at what point JRR started using metal or finger picks, if he even had to do that, to achieve his later unique sound?

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Wallsend

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Bill M

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Pat B

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Bill M

See link for a long and interesting article on the upcoming MFBP reissue. Note that the author has a Band book coming out at the end of the year.

Pat B: I'd love to know if anyone ever thought to ask any of the guys if they'd ever played TSIT live. "Not ever ever, even if you've done your best to forget because your hometown crowd showed no sign of interest and in fact part of it booed?"

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Lisa

I've been looking through some of the reviews of the 65-66 tour, and about that particular remark I found this, from The Varsity, Nov 19/65 by Volkmar Richter:

"In the second half he was plagued with band troubles. The organ was at times too loud, at times too quiet, the drummer sometimes upstaged him (!!!). In general his performance has not yet been fully integrated with the band which is supposed to be merely there to accompany him.

But Levon and the Hawks are not a third-rate band, as one of the downtown papers said. They're probably the best rhythm and blues bands ever to come out of Toronto. Dylan chose them because they're the best he has heard."

So there, mean downtown reviewer, take that! A much more intelligent and balanced review.

Another funny thing about these old reviews is that they repeatedly refer to Dylan as "baby-faced" and "red-haired". Red-haired??

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Lisa

Peter, I had the exact same reaction to Bonnie and Clyde as you - I was so staggered and appalled I could hardly speak. We're much more used to such visceral violence now, but I still don't rewatch that one. And I'm looking forward to your Bullitt review. I've seen Bullitt countless times - it's one of those movies that hooks me in every time, and it's on a lot. Also one of my favorite movie scores, by Lalo Schifrin. And, though I'm not a car person in the slightest, that black 1968 Charger is my favorite car of all time. Are you going to do Blow-up?

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Pat B

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Rockin Chair

Subject: Movies

Make up your mind Jed! :-)

I expect some have seen this. Since he got himself in so much trouble with his terrible behaviour Kevin Spacey's new movie that just came out, took in $126 on opening. Obviously a statement for what people really think about these people like him and Weinstein.

More people should turn their attention to the behaviour of the president? of that country. I saw a great note on Facebook. "The military refuse to participate in Trump's parade he wants "for himself" they are sighting (bone spurs)".

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Jed

I hated the movie-bored to tears in ‘68. Then I saw the remake when it came out and I enjoyed it. But it made the original seem classy and classic. Now I want to see it again!

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Peter V

Subject: 60s film retrospectives

My re-viewings of 1960s movies continues with The Thomas Crown Affair from 1968 linked.

There are also recent reviews of Hamilton-An American Musical (+ Othello with Markj Rylance, and The Winter's Tale). A bust four days.

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Bill M

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John D

Lisa thank you so much for that link. Great!

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Bill M

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Bill M

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Lisa

If you scroll to the top of the link I posted yesterday titled "Still on the Road" there are links for "Previous", "Next" and "Back to". This site details Bob's career from beginning to present (I think anyway, I didn't actually click past the 70s) - everything is there, including posters, photos, ticket stubs (I obviously paid $3.50 for my ticket in March 1966!), some reviews, every concert and recording session, often with notes on them - just a huge amount of info. So Bill and John, if you click on the "Previous" page to the one I posted, you will find the two November 65 Toronto concerts and the set lists, plus reviews, etc.

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Peter V

I reckon if they flipped the single and put He Don't Love You as the A-side, it could have been a major hit in the UK in the era, just as "Keep On Running" was for Spencer Davis. Lee Dorsey was big here and it sounds like Lee Dorsey. As they put He Don't Love You on the earlier box set, they might have come to the same conclusion. It was on ATCO, and in the UK on Atlantic - a major prestige label for a white group. Ace's "AT the Club" compilation of mid-60s Atlantic club grooves includes He Don't Love You. I never heard it in clubs, but presumably Ace were working on knowledge of the scene in London.

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John D

No Big deal Bill; but I was at the first show and Jerry was at the second and once again thank you for your support. Maybe by the second night Bob let them do it; but it wasn't done the first night. Lisa said she saw the show in March; therefore that show must have been in 1966 Lisa?

From an anonymous donor I just received a copy of the MONO CANADIAN version of Blonde on Blonde and I just finished cleaning it up this morning; from pops and clicks from an album that goes back to '66. I've wanted this for years and nobody seemed to have it. Thank you again Vinyl Donor. I feel like Abraham finding the lost sheep.

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Bill M

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Bill M

Peter V: I don't know that Levon ever explained it that way, but it sounds like the truth to me, especially if you add, "Plus we get booed" at the end. To Rod's point, the association with Dylan obviously paid off in the end, even for Levon thanks to the other guys' spirit of forgiveness.

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Rod

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Peter V

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Bill M

Subject: TSIT on the CHUM chart

The link is to the first chart with the Hawks in the top 50. You can follow the song's progress by changing the last digit of the URL from 3 to 4 to 5 to 6, etc. If you change the 3 to a 2 and look at the photo of the chart as opposed to the list of songs on the chart, you'll see that TSIT is picked to click - on the week of Nov 15, exactly when they were taking the stage at Massey Hall. Conspiracy theorists of the time no doubt went wild theorising why the upward trajectory turned into a brisk plummet - off the charts altogether in just two weeks.

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Lisa

This is a really interesting site about the 1966 tour and Blonde on Blonde. It goes by calendar date, so so recording sessions for Blonde on Blonde are mixed with the concert dates. The Vancouver concert was March 26, and the set list there is pretty much what I remember. This site has a LOT of info, fascinating!

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Bill M

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Lisa

I'm pretty sure they didn't do that song, although you have to realize back then that if you didn't have all the records, you didn't know the music, so I wouldn't have known that song in any case. My memory is that in the second half of the concert with Bob and The Band they only played Dylan songs, and I don't remember The Band doing anything on their own, though I could certainly be mistaken - it was a long time ago.

Once years ago I wrote about that concert for brown eyed girl who asked me about it. I'd dig it out if I knew how, but I'm not even sure what year it was and I've never had any luck finding anything specific in the archives. Does anybody know the way to do it, if there is one?

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John D

Best explanation is in the film, Muscle Shoals; but one of the horn players flirted with her and Aretha’s husband was infuriated. Jerry Wexler took Aretha and her husband back to their hotel. Rick Hall followed them over there and all went sideways. Wexler took Aretha back to New York vowing never to return. He later sent for the MS session players to come to NY. to finish the album. However watch the film; which is photogenically amazing.

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John D

Bill, Jerry and I had that discussion a few times. I went the first night in November of 65 and Jerry went the second night. The only one singing night one was Bob; with the boys singing backup in the second half; therefore TSTIT was never performed.

Lisa saw them in Vancouver on that same tour. Lisa do you remember The Stones That I Throw being performed? Jerry was lucky enough to see them at the Concord many times. Now I don’t want to second guess Jerry; but he may have heard it there; or at the Friars as Levon and The Hawks.

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JWQ

Could it be that the tune was more popular in Canada then and even made their charts, given the lads were more well known up there at that time? I’d take Bill M and John D’s opinion on that first -

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PSB

Dylan's show in White Plains was February 5, 1966 and Levon was long gone. The drummer for the show was Sandy Konikoff. "The Stones That I Throw" was anything but a chart climber, it didn't go anywhere near the charts or record stores for that matter.

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Wallsend

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Rod

Robbie seemed to be right into modifying his guitars...both that Tele and the red strat. The strat got a fancy tremolo at some stage after TLW and I wonder if the Tele got its tremolo then as well. Ricks ampeg sold on eBay a few years back for around 30k. His sunburst Ripper has vanished from site though there is a picture of him playing it with Paul butterfield ...probably not long after TLW.

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Bill M

Wallsend: Thanks for the suggestion about the Butch Dener interview (see link). What struck me was Butch talking about seeing Dylan and the Hawks (with Levon still in the group) in White Plains NY in '65 and making it seem that Levon did some singing. (Or maybe he was just jumping ahead in his mind to seeing Dylan guest with the Band years later.) Jerry T (RIP) remembered seeing Levon and the Hawks singing their then-current chart-climber "The Stones I Throw" at their show with Dylan in Toronto, but I don't recall any other talk of anyone aside from Bob singing.

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Mike Nomad

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Wallsend

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glenn t

Here are my recent listens: Bob Dylan: Oh Mercy / Joni Mitchell: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter / Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers: Southern Accents (with Richard, Garth & Robbie helping on "The Best of Everything" track) / The Who: Odds & Sods / The Doors: Morrison Hotel / plus remembering Aretha - listened to Rare & Unreleased Recordings.

Have a nice weekend.

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Aretha

Enjoying her Fillmore West concert from 1971. Of interest to Band fans--a terrific cover of 'Share Your Love With Me', a year before The Band's. Try 'aretha franklin fillmore west' on YouTube.

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Jack

I went to Big pink last year,which was great fun.Someone I know was renting it,so they invited me along to check out the basement.It's got a vibe to it! It's a fairly small space,supports sticking up in the middle,but there's a vibe. You get the idea. Here's where Bob used to sit,here's where Garth used to have his keyboards,Rick Danko was over here...It's a way outside of Woodstock too,about 20 minutes up a fairly obscure road.You couldn't stumble across it by mistake.It's a pilgrimage,you have to do it.

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John D

It was made note today that Aretha died on the same day as Elvis. Well there was another legend that died on this date. Robert Johnson August 16, 1938.

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JWQ

I don’t really know or remember the story of what went wrong for her down there Anybody? My memory is that those cracker players sort of scared her off?

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Peter v

Gets played at least once or twice a week here. RIP.

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joe j

Bill, thanks for the heads up.

I'm still enjoying live music a couple times a week.

Music NL are having their annual showcase in our harbour town this year. October. I should just be back from an Irish vacation in time to volunteer.

We had an incredible show last night. SRO. Newfoundland is actually a band from Ireland that's found a ready market for their talents right here. Local performers like Juno winners Ronnie Power and Darcy Broderick and the amazing Mike Sixonate opened.

I'm too old to stay up for the after party jams and whatnot but most of the musicians seem to find their way to my place the next morning for coffee. Live music alive and well down here.

Slainte.

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glenn t

She covered "The Weight;" she covered a lot of great tunes. What a voice! What a career! She's going to be missed.

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Bill M

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Peter W V

We saw a couple when it was first on - with so many good shows you need to see three or four to get hooked. Will re-investigate. We are feeling a gap currently with no more Poldark on Sundays, and no more Versailles on Mondays. Though I started to wonder in Poldark why the route from any point in Cornwall to any other point meant going along the same cliff top path.

I'm piling up late 60s films to re-watch - though we are in a heavy theatre spell again for the next couple of weeks.

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John S.

Don't know - another question for Garth? "Minstrel Boy" was also on that disc, but it doesn't quite read like the Isle of Wight set list. I'd think they mainly rehearsed for the show when they got there and the ideas may have changed. Sadly no tapes of that - with Beatles sitting in...

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JWQ

Hi Peter V - Do you know this program? We've been burning though it. It's on Acorn, although season's 3 & 4 aren't on there? Any idea on that? Top notch I'd say; Brit TV series are just so much better than most of our fare here.

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Bill M

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John S

Assume some of those last songs were rehearsals for the Isle of Wight Festival - just before they jetted over...

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Bill M

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Wallsend

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Garth playing at Huichica East Festival

Hi all, Garth Hudson is listed as a featured artist at a New York State music festival next week not too far from Woodstock. I think he is playing infrequently these days, so nice to see! Web address: hudson dot huichica dot com slash lineup will get you there. Bettye Lavette (playing Bob songs!) is also on the bill.

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Wallsend

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Bill M

Joe J: I've reposted the Jay Smith / Bobby Starr number just in case. It occurred to me that I should have mentioned that Eugene Smith (Jay's real name - see eugenesmith do ca for a decent history) is still going strong and is in fact currently on his way to your island by car and ferry. As his last gig before he left was a festival with Alan Doyle, and both of them are sociable, music-loving, music-playing guys, I would expect them to hook-up in St Johns if it's at all possible. So if you hear of an Alan Doyle gig later this week or next ...

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Peter v

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JQ

PV - why the added W? Wanker? Hmm.. it’s been said..

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John D

Thank you Peter. Look forward to it.

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Peter V

On MFBP, I ordered it. As far as I can see the only unreleased track is a "vocal only" I Shall Be Released. Is that a different version,or the normal one with the vocal tracks isolated? Will definitely comment once I get it.

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John D

Peter I would be interested in a full review of Bob's live new CD. I have listened right through; but so far have not been overwhelmed. Perhaps a few more listens. Also Peter something I was hoping you would comment on; was my mentioning awhile back of the new release of MFBP. My comment was I will probably buy it; but my complaint was the releasing of a release of a release. You know what I mean. I'd be interested on you commenting of product that has been released a few times over. Yes I know each re-release brings changes but.... Thanks Peter.

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Jed

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Jed

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Peter V

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Jed

Agree about Ringo-he’s sensational and underrated. It’s more about fit.Gadd fits with all the musicians you mention,Peter,but they are all “softer” artists.Backing a hard rocking/bluesy Clapton,particularly when he’s with a second guitarist requires a different sound and approach than what Gadd brings. There’s a reason Clapton played the way he did in Cream and Ginger Baker was a monster on drums.With Derek Trucks and Doyle Bramhall,Steve Jordan and at times,a second drummer made sense.When Clapton returned to playing without a second guitarist(after age 70) he went back to Gadd-he had a softer,less aggressive approach and thus Gadd made sense.Playing drums for James Taylor may require a different type of drummer with different skills than playing for Clapton.

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Peter V

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Peter V

Steve Gadd gets my vote. There’s his range from Van McCoy, Herbie Mann to Chick Corea to Paul Simon, James Taylor, Steely Dan, Kate Bush. But he also does remarkable and memorable things, and like Robbie, plays for the song and interprets it … hard for a drummer. Like Levon, he does things you remember and which are highlights of the song. Jim Keltner is simply a great drummer, but he doesn’t stand out in the same unusual ways to me.

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Jed

All Garcia yesterday 23 years since he passed. Special mention for Jerry doing Dylan-tremendous. Also,worth rereading Dylan’s eulogy for Jerry-quite beautiful and profound.

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Jed

Keltner is old reliable and always able with anyone for sure. EC does quite well with Steve Jordan. Gadd is great but historically EC has way more umph when he has more challenging, tougher edged drummers.

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Peter V

Norm! You have certainly heard of Bob Dylan and Cannonball Adderley. We can move on from there …

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Bill M

Of the two, Robbie’s song seems more natural, and Bob’s more like making fun – which would suggest that Robbie’s lines came first and that he had at least a start on “The Weight” a long time before it was completed – apparently as something for Levon to sing once he’d reentered the picture prior to the recording of MFBP. So, further evidence for Robbie writing songs for the Hawks while Dylan was writing songs for his own use (on “John Wesley Harding”) and for everyone’s use in the Basement.

And with “You Ain’t Goin’ Nowhere”, we have Heylin focusing (as I would) on version 1, but not the lines that are clearly directed towards at the Hawks, but on the lettuce line – and how there should be more like it. Those lines earlier on about the Hawks not just being basement noise and seeing them just going out there (i.e., onstage) and doing it suggest to me that either the guys had just gotten their own deal (or were on their way to doing so) or that some of them were feeling deflated about their apparent lack of success.

It’d be interesting to know how the recording dates of those songs line up with other events: the day Dylan asked Richard to write music for “Tears Of Rage” (just to cheer him up?; Dylan was pretty good with writing music); the day Dylan asked Rick to write music for “This Wheel’s On Fire” (ditto?; ditto); the date record companies started to show interest; the dates recording contracts were signed; the dates Hawks demos were recorded; etc.

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Rockin Chair

Subject: I surrender!!!

OK Peter! this is it. I have never even heard most of this stuff yer bragging about. I think you are doing it on purpose just to fuck me up:-)

But anyway let me give you guys some history. Dan Seals, (who died of cancer at 61 a few years back) very sad he was wonderful. Wrote many great songs, (but you got to like a little country).

He was "England Dan" of England Dan & John Ford Coley, a pretty hot duo. He was nick named "England Dan" by his brother Jim Seals of "Seals & Croft" because he was such a fan of the Beatles and tried to give himself an English accent.

Now this song of Dan's (which was a million seller), "Everything that Glitters is not Gold" he wrote with Bob McDill. There has to be some people who know who Bob McDill is. This is the saddest rodeo song you'll ever hear.

If you want to hear it put on your youtube search, Dan Seals with Jerry Douglas & Marc Oconnor - "Everything thst glitters is not gold". Jerry Douglas mournful and so perfect dobro on this song is haunting.

Try to watch, (as the camera shows you) Dan Seals play his 12 string guitar, left handed, upside down and backwards. His chord formation is pretty unique.

Bonk! I still haven't found that article. I wish I had put it on my favourites, but! It was by Jimi Hendricks.

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JQ

PV - I’m a fan of his too, although I don’t recognize the record you’ve referenced. Apart from his bebop playing he’s also a singer. Two songs that he does very well are Shenandoah (his home town) and, particularly, his take on Wayfaring Stranger. He doesn’t have a strong voice but it’s highly emotive. His triplet daughters are singers too, with lovely natural harmonies. They did an album produced by Ry Cooder in 2014 which I like a lot. Charlie also made the record Rambling Boy calling upon his early youth as a part of his family band. He was a true artist with a lifetime of creative competence.

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Wallsend

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John D

Jed, have to disagree. Steve Gadd; behind anybody makes the front man sound great. Although I have to admit that Jim Keltner is my go to guy anytime.

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Peter V

Planet Beat: Shel Talmy from the vaults. An Ace CD in the songwriter / producer series. Lots of unknown or only slightly known Merseybeat era bands. Many play well, but it proves that unless you have a good writer, and most didn’t, you’re doomed to obscurity.

Chuck Prophet: Bobby Fuller Died For Your Sins. Because I’m going to see him soon.

Resistance is Futile – Manic Street Preachers. I bought the LP for Mrs V who simply wanted the cover to frame – one of the earliest Samurai photos. It has a CD inside, which saved making one before confining it to the frame.

Bob Dylan Live 1962-1966: Rare Performances From The Copyright Collection – 2 CDS. So both. Making five

Then I have a little pile on the desk. Stuff I want to hear, but it’s not background, it’s not in car, it’s not headphones at night. It requires sitting down and paying attention. It’s building up.

Mike Westbrook Concert Band: Marching Song. I saw them back in the day doing this live.

David Axelrod: Song of Innocence

Cannonball Adderley – Soul Zodiac.

Charlie Haden Liberation Music

All require more focussed attention than I have right now … maybe as the summer wears away.

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Peter V

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Bill M

Peter V: Good addition. And they say that flattery will get you nowhere!

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Wallsend

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Peter V

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Bill M

I also thought I'd put this out (again), as the songs too were running through my head: /n Taken together, "Carry That Weight" and "The End" on the Beatles' "Abbey Road" are Paul McCartney's answer to "The Weight" by the Band. We know that he liked the song, as he borrowed a line for use in the long outro to his SmosBros performance of "Hey Jude". I surmise that he was dissatisfied with the Band song's morality - the poor do-gooding bastard left endlessly carrying the weight - so rushed in to assure him that, in the end, the love he shows others will be returned in kind.

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Bill M

Subject: Too Much Monkey Business

I always liked this cover, by Little Daddy and the Bachelors, with Tommy Chong of all people on guitar. It was running through my head, so I thought I'd share it. You're welcome.

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Jed

Absolutely agree with you and did recall your prior review. Hearing the cuts from Fuji might lead us to believe Dylan ain’t got it anymore. More reasonably,at Fuji,Dylan still got it but ain’t bringing it or showing it. I hope.

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Peter V

Now here's an anomaly. The recent Bob Dylan "Rare Performances From The Copyright Collection" 1962-1966." Disc 2. Tracks 10-12. They list the musicians - Bob Dylan, Robbie Robertson, Garth Hudson, Rick Danko, Mickey Jones … but fail to credit Richard Manuel on piano, though you can hear piano clearly. OK, we know Dylan played piano on "Ballad of A Thin Man' (because it's tentative) - but it's Richard Manuel on Baby Let Me Follow You Down and I Don't Believe You.

Richard just never gets the credits …

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Peter V

Subject: THE WEIGHT 2012

I'm sure we linked this before, but it's worth watching. 2012 Americana Music Awards. The Weight. A very good arrangement, with just Amy Helm, Theresa Williams & Larry Campbell for a verse … then it lal breaks out … fabulous lead vocals from Emmylou Harris, John Hiatt, Brittany Howard and Bonnie Raitt. Richard Thompson and Booker T are in there too. This shows how you approach vintage material.

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Peter V

Subject: Bud Dolan

Link to my 2017 review of Bob Dylan & "His Band" which is largely positive, Jed. I said the best I'd seen since 1992. But when he's bad, he really is incredibly bad, as on those various Fuji 2018 extracts on YouTube. I wonder what it's like for proficient players to stand there behind someone who is giving an appalling performance, which is probably what Levon thought when he quit in 1965. What sort of job satisfaction is there in being part of an ensemble whose overall impact is so bad? It was out of Levon's then comfort zone. He later changed his mind, but he wasn't prepared to play stuff he didn't feel was good. But listen to that 1975 link, and then listen to 2018. On a night like that it really is a raised finger to the paying public.

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Jed

The perfect drummer for James Taylor and the worst dummer choice for Clapton.

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Jed

Surprised to hear Dylan’s band trashed out,and for good measure,Bob too. I saw them last year and for a bunch of years before that and the band and Bob were excellent.i did listen to Masterpiece and agree it sucked. But,it would be shocking if Masterpiece is representative of the all the live shows and songs of this part of the tour.Also,the reviews I’ve read have been very good.

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Peter V

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Peter V

Subject: James Taylor's band

James Taylor's band is listed in my review of the show, linked here.

I was somewhat harsh on Bob's band - I enjoyed his 2017 show, and they're all ace players, but are they doing themselves any career favours when the overall sound at that Fuji 2018 concert is total mess? OK, it's Dylan's fault. As I said in my review of 2017:

"We had a switch to acoustic bass for To Ramona but I felt that the balance and the drumming, though excellent, reminded me of seeing the great American bluesmen in the 60s and 70s with British backing bands. The bands ironed out the vagaries of the old blues guy by steamrollering them into a strong rhythmic pattern, and I felt we had this churning relentlessly through Highway 61 Revisited and Beyond Here Lies Nothin’ – though it suited the latter. This band was pushing rather than reacting."

Leonard Cohen in contrast had Roscoe Beck leading the best backing band I've ever seen - and I saw them three times. Cohen, Simon and Taylor all have a set of backing vocalists in place. Essential at their ages.

I re-listened to that 2018 Masterpiece. That is truly dire.

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Bill M

Subject: Bobby Starr

Joe J: Hope you found both sides of the Hawkins / Hawks 45 on YouTube. That was '65, and here is Bobby Starr in '64, when he was with Jay Smith and the Majestics.

Hawkins was into insurance, so when he concluded that our guys would be leaving soonish (maybe three months before they actually flew the coop), he hired Robbie Lane and the Disciples (with Domenic Troiano on guitar) as apprentice Hawks. In '64 the Disciples did a record of their own and another with Hawkins. Then Troiano left - at which point the Disciples hired Terry Bush (who could but didn't play Robbie-style) and Hawkins hired Bobby Starr from the Majestics to be his 'personal' guitarist (against the inevitable day that the Disciples would move on). And that arrangement got through four 45s in '65 - two by Robbie Lane and the Disciples (without Starr) and two by Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks (with Starr on Robbie-guitar; the non-Robbie-guitarplaying could have been Terry Bush or it could have been producer Fred Carter). That's James Cotton on harmonica and Stan Szelest on piano on "Diddley Diddley Daddy" and "Goin' To The River". When the Disciples did leave, Hawkins called in something of a band of local all-stars - Bobby Starr on guitar, Bobby's fellow former Majestic, Jay Smith on vocals, Stan Szelest on piano, Gord Fleming from David Clayton-Thomas and the Shays on organ and Sandy Konikoff on drums. Not sure who was on bass back then, possibly Ken Kalmusky from Richard Manuel's old group, the Revols.

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Pat B

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Bill M

Peter V: Thanks for the link to James Taylor. "Fire And Rain" is absolutely timeless, even if he dumped a short-a 'a' in favour of a long-a 'a' (pronounced eh) a la Levon. Aside from Gadd, who else did he have providing such sympathetic backing?

Re Dylan (and thanks for the link, Jon L), I didn't think the band was totally crap, and I did think it'd be much more challenging to back Bob sympathetically. Who'd know what he was going to do, show to show? I couldn't've told you what song, never mind what words, Dylan was singing, but I do think there's still a place for him out there - or maybe IN there, meaning a studio. His voice still hints at greatness, but a tired greatness like the aging Leonard Cohen's had. However, those two rank with Oscar and Felix as the brackets of fastidiousness.

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Pat B

And the subsequent song with RR doing his thing.

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joe j

Hadn't heard it before.

OK that's Bobby Starr???

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Pat B

Listen to the last minute for the interesting intro.

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Peter V

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Peter V

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Peter V

Subject: Fire & Rain

Just to emphasise the contrast, James Taylor at Hyde Park doing Fire & rain. Steve Gadd right behind him.

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Peter V

Subject: Bob & Masterpiece

Found it and linked it … Smartphone a long way back. However that was true of the Paul Simon & James Taylor footage from Hyde Park and the comparison does Bob no favours. I thought he was truly awful. Confirmed my opinion that he is WAY past his sell by date for live gigs.

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Bob in Asia

Bob Dylan just finished a short tour of Asia, and I was delighted to see "When I Paint My Masterpiece" was played at every show. A real rarity for him, and with an unusual number of reworked lyrics. Try 'bob dylan masterpiece 2018' on Youtube.

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Peter V

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Dunc

Subject: Band bibliography

I think 'Million Dollar Bash - Bob Dylan, The Band, and the Basement Tapes' by Sid Griffin is a must.

I was lucky enough to see him give a talk on the subject while playing parts of songs to make his points. He was accompanied by Rod Clements ex Lindisfarne. At the end, it finished with a question and answer session and I silenced Sid (didn't mean to) when I asked 'Who wrote the songs?'

I think the recent Uncut 'Bob Dylan and the Band' is good for what it is. Really good articles from the time, but reviews of individual Band members' albums are mixed. But this makes me think - are we here in the GB critically honest when playing them? Or are we fans with keyboards to use a cliche. I think it is a well produced magazine - and perhaps will lead others to The Band.

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Bill M

As Pete V said, the interesting factual stuff in "Mystery Train" is in the Appendix - which gets longer and more interesting with each edition. The only factual error that I can thing of appeared in the second or third edition, when Marcus took the word of a UK bootleg and mistakenly credited a mid-'60s Hawkins record, "Diddley Diddley Daddy" / "Going To The River" to our guys. Made sense, as the label says it's by Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks, and the solo on DDD is the frighteningest Robbie studio guitar work of all time. All reference to the record was expunged from the next (and subsequent) editions because the truth had come out. The Hawks on the record were the new, replacement Hawks, aka (Robbie Lane and) the Disciples, and the stunning Robbie guitar work was by the amazing Bobby Starr. (I've had the record for forty years, and the solo still stops me in my tracks.)

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Wallsend

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Peter V

Subject: Down To Old Dixie & Back

The 1970 Time article by Jay Cocks is in the Library here. I've linked it. I have the feeling that the Rolling Stone ones used to be here, but I can't find them. Fortunately I have paper copies gradually biodegrading into dust.

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Peter V

Yes! Forgot that one. I bought it and kept it. Probably the most important early resource.

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JQ

That was the first piece I recall reading. I’ve no nemory of what, if anything, was reveled. They were on the cover too, looking like country freaks.

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Peter V

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Peter V

The myth making by Grossman was certainly with the Band’s participation. A European agent told me about meeting with The Band in 1970 to discuss possible work in Europe (with Mr Grossman) and they all sat in a circle silently in Brown Album get up. He had a feeling at the time that it was theatre.

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Lisa

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Bonk

Just drove down from Port Hardy, BC to Victoria. About a 6 hour drive. And who the hell do I bump into working on his boat in Port Hardy? Ole Rockin Chair himself. Norm Jones. Gave me a tour of his boat then invited me down to his home in Port Alice to meet the good wife Susan. Beautiful spot and country. Thanks Norm. The five I listened to on the way back. 1 - The Norm Jones Band. Pretty dam good and boy, can that Jones boy sing. 2 - Best of Joe Cocker 3 - Songbird by Eva Cassidy 4 - Brown album 5 - Best of BB King. So Norm. Who wrote All along the watchtower?

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Bill M

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Lisa

Wallsend, that quote was from 1989 - a lot of water under (and over) the bridge since then ...

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Peter v

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Lisa

I know computers have made research a piece of cake compared with what it used to be, and there are all kinds of resources that weren't available before, but I have to say, it's not quite as much fun as it used to be.

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Wallsend

'Later on I think Robbie had to work a lot harder then the rest of them because the rest of them were having too much fun. At the very start, though, Levon was the boss the way John Lennon was the leader of the Beatles. Levon called the shots, but after a while he started having too much fun and so it was left to Robbie to take care of the business. Gradually it became Robbie who ran The Band. But that can mean a lot of pressure. Eventually Robbie became tired of the road. He was tired of the business. It's tough when everybody's not pulling their weight. It's tough when everyone else is having too much fun all the time and people aren't able to go on because they are puking in pianos and fainting and falling offstage. You can't do that if a band is going to survive as a band.'

'I was on their case for years, but of course they wouldn’t listen. I saw a lot of money wasted, a lot of money they wish they had now. It think they lost control. They had too much money, too much fun and not enough work. Sometimes now they get mad at Robbie, because he's done all right. But they shouldn't. He took care of business. He was rough and tough when he started out but he was the one who most wanted to learn. I kept pushing Robbie, making him work harder and still harder, because he had the spirit. It paid off for him. He probably only has one-tenth of what he should have. but still, that's enough.'

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Bill M

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Bill M

Re Dylan and acronyms like BOB being short for Blonde on Blonde, there's also From A Buick 6, or FAB 6. The Fab 4 we know, the Fab 5 coulda been the Stones, and the Fab 6 coulda been Dylan and the Hawks but for the fact that the song's from before they hooked up. Unless of course that's why he chose them.

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Peter V

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Lisa

I did buy this book when it came out, but had a really hard time getting into it and ended up losing interest and not finishing it, which is very unusual for me. So I'd have to agree with you, Haso.

When Across The Great Divide was published it was still back when Band info was relatively scarce, so I grabbed it as soon as it was available. I still have a vivid memory of being downtown shopping for a grad dress for my daughter, which can be a little ... fraught, and sneaking surreptitious peeks while she was trying on dresses. Couldn't wait to get home and really get into it! The good old days.

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Peter V

Eleanor McEvoy: I'd Rather Go Blonde

Eleanor McEvoy: If You Leave.

Ray Davies: Our Country, Americana 2

Beverley (Beverley Martyn): Where The Good Times Are (LP) - 1966 & 1967 tracks, with Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones, Nicky Hopkins, Alan White backing. Interestingly, some tracks use piano AND organ - unusual before Big Pink & Procul Harum.

Bobbie Gentry At The BBC, LP - still hooked on this. Songs from her BBC Tv series.

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haso

Subject: 5 & books

A day late & a dollar short, but ol' glenn and Norm are keeping up some 5 lists. Here's my last 5

Bob Marley & the Wailers: Anthology '69 to '78, Trenchtown Rock, disc 2; Los Van Van: Bailando Mojoa (dancing wet); Alison Krauss + Union Station: Live, disc one ...yes a repeat from just a few weeks ago/chosen by mi esposa on a road trip; Neil Young: Living w/ War... from 2006, full of polemics/I can't begin to imagine where his head would be at now; I Believe to My Soul: session 01.

This last is a compilation of covers and the like that I bought a few years back on Frenchman St. just off the French Quarter. It was recorded mostly at Capitol Studios in LA, featuring Ann Peebles, Mavis, Billy Preston, Irma Thomas & Allen Toussaint. Especially noticed the organ work throughout and Ann Peebles clarity/delivery (vocal) on Dylan's "Tonight I'll be staying here w/ You".

Just started Joni's recent biography after finishing my other Hoskyn's book: "Hotel California". Anyone here read either this or his Woodstock expose (Small Town Talk, if memory serves)? I had thought "Across the Great Divide" pretty decent, and if he visits here, I'm sorry I'm no expert, but both of these other books seem like no more than gossip, name/dropping and gave me a hard time finding any point to their having been written. Yeah, rock stars are promisicuous, egotistical and consume large amounts of drugs; do you have anything else to say?

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Lisa

Here's a really detailed description, if you really want to dig deeper.

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John D

From the pages from Blonde On Blonde On the internet

The late Sam Visser had a copy of the C2L 41 Canadian mono 2LP set which he believed was an earlier mix than the US mono album, this is confirmed by Roger Kornovich who has a copy of the same album. The discs are of heavy vinyl (Sam thought around 180gm) and have matrix numbers: Side 1 - XLP113761-1A, Side 2 - XLP113762-1A, Side 3 - XLP113763-1A, Side 4 - XLP113764-1A. Roger Ford says it is different on all four sides from the "final" mono mix used on the Sundazed reissue, and different on sides 3 and 4 from the earlier mix used on UK/European mono pressings.

I really notice the difference on “Most Likely You Go Your Way” and “Sooner or Later.”

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John D

PSB thank you so much. I have all of that. Thanks again.

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PSB

John D, all the takes from Blonde On Blonde along with all the takes from Bringing It All Back Home and Highway 61 Revisited are on "The Cutting Edge," Bootleg Series Vol. 12. All of Blonde On Blonde with the exception of "One Of Us Must Know" were recorded in Nashville. Robbie's guitar is easily identifiable on the tracks I mentioned in the thread Peter posted.

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Peter V

To start a thread … great amusing album titles. I just picked up Eleanor McEvoy's "I'd Rather Go Blonde."

Another great one is Status Quo's "In Search of the Fourth Chord."

And a classic from Caravan, "Cunning Stunts" based on the old tongue twister.

Any more?

Bill - will check out V of J later.

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John D

Are you out there Bill. Just wondering if you know the answer to my question?

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John D

No Lisa I never did find it. Interesting that when it was mentioned to Rob Bowman he was not even familiar with it. But the mixes are totally unique than anything I have ever heard before. The Al Kooper organ is mixed higher and sounds great.

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Rockin Chair

Subject: Five Alive for Friday

To start - one of the best rockers Canada ever produced TOM COCRANE - "Life is a Highway"!

The first million seller of "Eagles" and by far the best singer - Randy Miesner - "Take it to the Limit"!

Still listening to a lot of "Foreigner" - Lou Gramm - "I want to know what love is"!

Playing for Change - "All along the Watch Tower"

Dan Seals - Dan has long been gone now but his music is still powerful country. There is a youtube vid of Dan singing this song with all the peers and country greats sitting with him on one of these Nashville shows. The tears and looks for this song and how they share it and revere it with him is heart felt- "Everything that Glitters is not Gold".

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glenn t

Hello GBers. Here are my most recent listens. Van Morrison: Philosopher's Stone (disc 2); Marvin Gaye: What's Going On; Emmylou Harris: Angel Band; Paul McCartney: Chaos & Creation; Joni Mitchell: Hejira; The Who: Quadrophenia; Stevie Wonder: Fullingness' First Finale

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Lisa

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Dunc

Subject: Hugh's Room, Tony McManus

Hi Bill M, I saw good gigs, big and small, on my two visits to Toronto and made the visit to Massey Hall.

But I wish I had made a visit to Hugh's Room. (Never knew about it) Recently, I found a mesmerising acoustic guitar concert given by Tony McManus at Hugh's Room on YouTube. I really wish I had been there. Breathtaking guitar playing.

I feel that Tony McManus is carrying on that tradition of great British acoustic gutarists. Might not be your thing, Bill, but well worth a look.

It was Davey Graham, back in the day, who stimulated my enthusiasm for this genre. Attending the first concert I saw of him was a really new experience. He never sang.

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John D

I should know this; but are the New York sessions on a box set? I know I should know this. The album itself was all done in Nashville. Yes? Professor Bill you always make it so easy to explain. Thank you in advance.

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Bill M

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Peter V

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Lisa

I got it now, Bill. And that's a good one!

Anyway, what did Robbie play on? Here's one thread.

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Bill M

“Hi Bob. Typing again?”

“Hi Robbie. Yup, just finished this one. [Pulls page from typewriter and holds it out]

“Hmm. Looks pretty good – good verses, strong chorus. No, what’s this? ‘See who had fell and who is left behind’. You can’t say ‘had fell’ - really bad grammar.”

“Don’t get hung up on that, man.”

“Yeah, but what would Rimbod and those guys’ve said, or even Allen.”

“It’s pronounced Rambo and he wrote in French. And Ginsberg wouldn’t give a rat’s ass. It’s like Orwell said: You gotta follow these rules – but break any of them to avoid writing a piece of shit.”

“Orwell. Had to read Animal Farm in grade 9. Did he write poems too?”

“Nah – just books. The big one was Nineteen Eighty-Four.”

“Never read that one, but I know about Big Brother.”

“God – don’t even mention that – gives me the willies. At the end they make the good guy so afraid that rats would chew his face that he comes to love Big Brother.”

“Christ. Until now it just made me think of that band we saw in San Francisco. Chick singer with sandpaper lungs.”

“Janis Joplin. I told Albert that he should sign her, but only if she dumped the band. I really don’t love Big Brother.”

“And I really don’t love ‘had fell’, but maybe it’ll come in handy sometime. Got any more new songs?

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Bill M

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Lisa

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Lisa

I know I found something more comprehensive than this at one time but now it's gone, or I can't find it anyway. But there's this from Expecting Rain even though it's old.

Oops, Johnny again. I have a password and have actually posted links before but it's been a while, and I can't remember the first step, help!

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Bill M

Seems an odd thing to be asking about at this stage, but I will. This site's discography - the albums with Bob Dylan subsection - has Robbie and Rick playing on "Sooner Or Later", but nothing else on BoB. I've always thought, and other online sources suggest, that Robbie's on a lot more. One source - I think Wikipedia - suggests Robbie's on guitar on "Visions Of Johanna" and Joe South's on guitar, though the stellar guitar on VoJ seems more South than Robertson to me. Thoughts?

Also, typing BoB got me thinking that Bob was simply having fun with acronyms when he was pushed to name the album something, anything. (Todd seems to have taken a different approach when faced with the same push.)

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Bill M

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Rockin Chair

Subject: Movies of the 60's....Again

I wonder who may know the movie "King Rat"? As I used to read a lot of books in the teen years, I first read the book. Imaging it was quite powerful. Then it came to life with George Segal.

Quite incredible how a corporal could take over an entire prison camp and having officers doing his bidding.

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John D

Yes Bill, if it weren't for radio beginnings in Oshawa, I may have stayed at Eaton's. However that didn't last long and my Father desperately wanted me to follow in his footsteps and be a printer. That shop also folded many, many years ago.

By the way some of you might have seen my article on Johny Mercer a few weeks back. I was so blown away by the biography that my wife and I just returned from Savannah the childhood home of Mercer. Drove down to Moon River; where he had a beautiful home. Just sold for over 1.2 million dollars. Nothing to do with Mercer; but visited Mercer-Williams house that was featured in the book The Garden of Good & Evil that Clint Eastwood directed. With the exception of the heat it was a wonderful southern hospitality holiday.

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Dunc

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Peter V

Subject: Petulia

Continuing the series of retrospective reviews of those 1968 films … Petulia. Julie Christie. George C. Scott & Richard Chamberlain … and Janis & The Grateful Dead.

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Pat B

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Pat B

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Bill M

The link is to an interesting article on the making of the song "Born To Be Wild" - really separate interviews with the guy who wrote it, Mars Bonfire (nee Dennis McCrohan, aka Dennis Edmonton) and the guy who sang it, John Kay.

John D: You'll appreciate Dennis's line that if it weren't for that song, he'd be back home (in Oshawa, Ontario) working at the GM plant. GM - there but for fortune coulda been you, coulda been me - though I always tell people that if I'd taken my father's career advice, I would recently have lost my job as manager of the shoe department when Sears closed its store in the Oshawa mall.

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