The Band Guestbook, February 2019

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Norm

Subject: The Days of Yor er your uunh Yer

T'hell with it!........just f---it. I'm going to go back to the days when y'got a phone on the wall. You pick up the receiver and crank a handle to get an operator (that is if no one is on the "party line".

I'm sitting at my desk just now and I'm waiting for an important call. I get another call y'know (unknown number). This kid has an accent, I dunno India, Bangla Desh, Pakistan. "Hello sir, I am calling you.....yawns...about your computer". I'm tired of even being rude!

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Lisa

In 1990 Alberta might have been included, but right now things aren't too friendly between Alberta and B.C. (pipeline issues),

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Norm

Subject: Sockeye

Your sockeye most likely from Bristol Bay Peter a really good fish. I eat some coho, some spring salmon and some pink, but nothing compares to sockeye. I fished sockeye for 32 years. Now I have to sport catch some but that is ok. We have to have all our jars of sockeye done up for the winter. Also I smoke it and pickle it.

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Peter V

A Rainbow In Curved Air: Terry Riley. An all time favourite.

The Pines of Rome, Respighi. Charles Dutoit & Montreal version (sorry, Norm, recorded in Quebec!)

Lines Part One: The Unthanks

Country Classics Vol 2, free CD with Sunday Times 20+ years ago. Particularly taken by Ernest Tubbs & Loretta Lynn on "Thanks A Lot." This week's earworm.

Hi-Fidelity Stereo. One of the new Sainsburys supermarket series with interesting selections … I Saw The Light, Todd Rundgren; Questions- Moody Blues, Avalon - Roxy Music, Wondrous Stories - Yes, Tubular Bells (45 single version).

The Unthanks one mildly pisses me off, and they're one of my favourite groups. LINES is a 3 CD set costing £31.99. Then it turns out the CDs range from 21 minutes to 33 minutes. The whole lot comes to 76 minutes 29 seconds. In other words, it would have fitted onto one CD.

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Bill M

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Peter V

Tonights dinner has "Wild Alaskan Sockeye salmon" on the packet.

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Bill M

I know I've mentioned Robbie's old Consuls / Suedes colleague Peter DeRemigis, aka Pete the Bear, a number of times over the years, and I may have mentioned his book of reminiscences, "Toronto's Secret: learning music playing Rock and Roll", which I finally got around to buying in Victoria three weeks ago and finishing just yesterday. There's a fair bit of Robbie in the book, but not much new news. Still, the following seems worth repeating:

"Unlike Peter Michaud and Gene MacLellan [other Toronto guitarists that Peter played with in the late '50s] whose roots were in country music, Robbie's playing those haunting Bo Diddley progressions like what he played the first time I saw him [in late '58 or early '59 with Robbie and the Robots] suggest that his style was informed by Rhythm and Blues. But what few are aware of is Robbie's almost devout interest in progressive jazz; whenever he and The Hawks came back to Toronto I remember his invitation: 'Bear', let's go listen to some jazz or words to that effect, and we'd head off to the First Floor Club near Asquith and Yonge and silently absorb the scattered sounds of the latest jazz inventions."

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Norm

Subject: Cross over

No worries John. I'm sure the salmon you refer to is farm salmon. If you got the whole offensive line of the Calgary Stampeders to hold me down you couldn't stuff that shit in my mouth!

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John D

Another thing Norm. WENT OUT TO DINNER WITH MY BOSS AND SOME OF HIS FRIENDS. ALL FROM B.C. After a few cocktails they really got to talking about where I came from in Ontario. They told me (and I have heard this was/is true) that salmon caught in B.C. was more expensive in Vancouver than it was; in Toronto; after being shipped here.

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John D

SORRY NORM. Just saw your post; after posting mine. Apologies. Never heard about Idaho; just the two Canadian provinces and the two American states. Carry on.

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John D

Subject: North western Canada and North western U.S.

This story seems long forgotten; but back in the mid 70's; when I was living in Vancouver, there a great deal of anger towards Ottawa; from the North Western Canadian side and the same went for the U.S. in dealing with Washington.

Now this never really got off the ground; but there were those from British Columbia, Alberta, Washington State & Oregon; who wanted to break away; from their respective countries. The rumour was they wanted to form their own country called the Pacific Northwest. It would have been interesting....eh?

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Norm

Subject: Cascadia

I spoke of this some years back Peter. There was a time when many people were advocates of a country consisting of Oregon, Washington State, part of Idaho, British Columbia, South East Alaska and the Yukon. To be called either Cascadia or Pacific Northwest.

It is easy to understand. From the Cascade Mountains and west of the Rockie Mountains north to Alaska there is a commonality that is not shared to the east. The population of the eastern provinces and eastern states dictate governmental concerns that leave us on the outside looking in too often.

One prime minister at one point "John Crietchen (I don't think I spelt that right). Anyway he made some pretty disparaging remarks making it clear he didn't have much time for us out here. I can't remember his exact words but they were very rude. He got himself in trouble and still made it clear he didn't much give a shit. That attitude is shared by a lot back there.

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Dunc

Thanks, Pat. I focussed on the keyboards last time I listened to it. I know that guy playing keyboards I said to my wife. Really enjoyed your playing, Pat. I don't know how you achieved that variety and complexity of keyboard music in one day. Love your musical inputs on 'Britischer Cowboy' - a great depth and variety of playing on one track. Great effect on 'Over Land And Sea'. And a great solo on'Scene of the Crime'. Don't know how you achieved it in a day. Great playing.

Thanks Bill M. You have got me into playing and reading about 'R Dean Taylor'. First Tamla white artist with a US Number 1. I really only know (and really like) his three UK hits, which did get a lot of airplay 'Gotta See Jane', 'Indiana Wants Me', which I owned, and 'There's A Ghost In This House'. It's the latter which is the big Northern Soul favourite.

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Peter V

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Peter V

Norm, you’ve just taken me back QUARTER OF A CENTURY. Shit! 1994. Vancouver, and I got to see The Band at the Vogue Theatre. While we were there, they were taking down the bilingual English-French signs in the Pacific Centre and replacing them with English-Chinese, based on the city’s demographic. This was apparently illegal and causing some discussion. There was an article suggesting that British Columbia and Alberta would be far better off in the USA.

Fast forward those 25 years. You’d be in Trump’s America. Ouch! If I ask any British people who’ve visited both countries, the preference is for Canada (sorry, US readers). It has the good stuff from the USA, but then it has a health service, gun control, much cleaner streets. I prefer Vancouver to San Francisco and Toronto to New York too. It’s hard to say count your blessings … but count your blessings.

In every country in the world the ruling political party favours the areas that voted for it. In Blair’s Britain, my town, Poole, had vastly overcrowded schools. We’d drive to Wales along unlit pot-holed English motorways and cross the border to find the motorways pristine and lit all night. Cardiff was a building site with massive public-funded projects. Areas that voted Labour got all the money. Then the Conservatives got in, and at last we in Poole got our much-needed lifting harbour bridge (though now it’s often closed for repairs having been built by the companies that “obtained the contracts”).

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Norm

Subject: Give Him a Chance!

Jan you can delete this if you like. Don't like to use your forum, but I don't know any other way to contact these guys.

After our last federal election, Kevin John said to me on this page, "Give him a chance" referring to Justin Trudeau. Well he's had his chance. Isn't it funny how when our federal government is run by people from Quebec it is always companies from Quebec that get illegal contracts, tax breaks and all other sorts of corruption.

There is a good reason why we in the west would welcome a border about between Manitoba and the eastern corruption. It is disgusting.

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Peter V

Subject: The Devil Rides Out

The 60s Retrospective series continues focussing on 1968 with cult Hammer Horror film, The Devil Rides Out (LINKED) with Christopher Lee, Charles Gray, Patrick Mower. It got the spicier title The Devil’s Bride in the USA. Read about it even if you haven’t seen it. It was towards the end of that genre.

QUOTE: The Devil Rides Out harks back to a time when satanic forces could be defeated by a good sock on the jaw, daylight and the odd silver cross.

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Norm

Subject: The Untouchables

JQ I watched a few minutes of this interrogation and it really puts me in mind of Robert Meuller being like Elliot Ness. So far his crew have seemed "untouchable" as there has been no talking, tweeting or otherwise.

Lets hope that every one gets to know every thing that he has to offer. Coverups now could start a civil war in that country. It really seems like the fall of the USSR. I don't recall a time in our life time that the states were so divided on their political attitudes.

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Peter V

Subject: Fightin' Side of Merle

There you go., Linked.

Okie is already there- in one of the longer sections.

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JQ

Trump is being eviscerated by his personal lawyer. It’s brilliant and juicy. There’s no huge surprises but some details are filled in. The republicans are dutiful. It’s quite reminiscent of the mob/mafia hearings when someone near the Godfather turns.

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Norm

Subject: The Hag

If yer lookin' to source Merle Haggard Bill. Look up on youtube, "The Fightin Side of Me" and attach here. The hook line in the song??

"When your runnin' down my country, you're walkin' on the fightin' side of me"

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Bill M

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Pat B

PV, Aunty Grizelda? Oh, wait...

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brown eyed girl

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brown eyed girl

God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
A potential H bomb

God save the queen
She's not a human being
and There's no future
And England's dreaming

God Save The Queen...Sex Pistols...We are future No Future

I am an antichrist
I am an anarchist
Don't know what I want
But I know how to get it
I wanna destroy passer by

Anarchy In The UK...As well as others like EMI, etc....Sex Pistols

It's up to you not to heed the call-up
'N' you must not act the way you were brought up
Who knows the reasons why you have grown up?
Who knows the plans or why they were drawn up?

It's up to you not to heed the call-up
I don't wanna die!
It's up to you not to hear the call-up
I don't wanna kill!

For he who will die
Is he who will kill

The Call Up...The Clash as well aa many many other songs as well as by progressive Punk Bands and Ska Bands who were especially anti-racist anTd who were anti-establishment. I just remembered I have not finished reading The Clash Return Of The Last Ghost In Town...Marcus Gray. When I saw The Clash at an outdoor venue...I only remember Brand New Cadillac. On the same bill...I can't remember Black Uhuru at all. :-(

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Peter V

The link goes to a new article on “Anti Songs.” That is songs which protested against the counter culture, protest, long hair and so on. Some vehement stuff there from The Spokesmen on Dawn of Correction to Nancy and Frank Sinatra on Life’s A Trippy Thing. Suggestions welcome for more.

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Wallsend

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Bill M

Dunc: It's been a good week for R Dean Taylor here at the GB - two mentions within days when he's usually go half-a-decade between nods.

He had an interesting career. Here's his first, and I think best - and also most Hawksish - a rockabilly tune from '62. Robbie's buddy Pete Traynor on bass, and another long-time acquaintance, Jack Posluns, on drums. R Dean plays piano like Jerry Lee Lewis and sings like Ronnie Hawkins (sorta). He was very young then, but squeezed in another 45 for a US label (Amy-Mala) before moving to Detroit. (He'd been blackballed on Yonge Street, apparently, for demanding he be paid union scale.) Somehow he wangled his way into the Motown operation where he co-wrote a Supremes hit - "Love Child" or "Living Here In Shame", I believe - and some other songs for other label artists, did a couple of Motown records of his own, and got Jack Posluns the drummer gig with Marvin Gaye's touring band. As a Canadian, he was also given the job of working with Motown's Canadian signings - the Mynah Birds (with whom he co-wrote published songs) and Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers. By the way, both Traynor and Posluns also played on Johnny Rhythm's only 45 (as Johnny Rhythm, at least) at about the same time - so after the Suedes had split.

Berry Gordy then gave him an executive role (in A&R) with Motown's new pop label, Rare Earth, which went on to release several RDT 45s and an album, and at least two 45s by other stray Canucks - one by Wes Henderson, a former member of Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers, and one by Allan Nichols, who became a regular part of filmmaker Robert Altman's troupe from "Nashville" on (plus he's the willy-waving hockey player in "Slapshot").

I love it when someone like Dunc and Mike N mention a thing like "Slapshot" (or is it "Slap Shot"?) and it turns up in a totally different conversation within days.

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Peter V

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Dunc

I'm enjoying your work, Pat B on 'One Day In Chicago'. Great musicianship. It's a good album. Really enjoyed your keyboard work. Many in the UK appreciated Kevin. I think issuing Marjory Razorblade as a double hindered his career. Having said that I appreciate the double album and play it to this day. Kevin is Anglicana -'living in a small bungalow about five miles from the sea'. His greatest songs are oustanding.

I looked to buy 'Meet On The Ledge' on CD, Peter. There are two collection already with this name - a collection of Island folk rock and a collection of Fairport, but couldn't get the album you describe. Coincidentally, I streamed Lindisfarne 'River Sesssions' on Friday and really enjoyed the album. I owned Fog on the Tyne back in the day. I googled Lindisfarne and Rab Noakes because I love 'Together Forever' and came across a picture of an album on vinyl with Rab Noakes and Lindisfarne on separate tracks entitled 'BBC Transcription Services'. Never heard of this before.

Of the lesser known acts, I did see Magna Carta twice, but have been youtubing the other artists.

I played and enjoyed Jackie Shane tracks on Youtube the last time she was mentioned in the GB. Thanks Bill M et al. When reading about her, the general consensus was that she was little known out of Toronto. Some (a few?) of her records are Northern Soul classics. A few of R. Dean Taylor's songs are also Northern Soul Classics. It's the song not the artist which attracts these fanatics.

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Peter V

Interesting. The Jackie Shane version sounds almost like Parchman Farm. It sent me to Barrett Strong original which also has piano at the fore, but has terrific drumming. Then The Beatles and whatever, John Lennon's vocal (as on Twist & Shout) is way above any other attempt on the songs. The indistinct cassette of Levon & The Hawks doing it indicate they had heard Barrett Strong of course, but the reason it was in their act at that time was surely because of The Beatles.

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Bill M

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Bill M

BEG: Thanks for the link to the Shane / Bowman thing. n/ Perter V: Some years ago on "Money", which both the Hawks and the Motley Crew (i.e, Jackie Shane's group) played the song regularly in the early and mid '60s. The link is to a 1965/66 reissue of Jackie's version, which first appeared in 1962 on Frank Motley and the Motley Crew's only album. (Rob Bowman didn't mention the album at all in the recent Jackie Shane reissue, unfortunately.) The Hawks and the Motley Crew were both Yonge Street stalwarts so would have been familiar with one another, at least from a distance, but I imagine they knew the song from the radio rather than from the other group's stage act.

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brown eyed girl

Jackie Shane and Rob Bowman

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Peter V

Subject: Plainsong etc

Bill, the Magna Carta contribution is Airport Song, followed by Ian Matthews with Thro My Eyes. Plainsong (the Ian Matthews band) is For The Second Time. I've linked that one from YouTube.

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Bill M

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Peter V

In case anyone has forgotten, Levon Helm plays on John & Beverley Martyn's "John The Baptist."

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Peter V

One for Dunc andRoger. I've spent two afternoons enjoying a Sainsburys supermarket double LP on vinyl: "Meet On The Ledge: A Taste of Folk Rock." It's curated by Bob Stanley (of St Etienne) who compiles the brilliant Ace CD compilations. It's 180 gram vinyl and sounds superb. The Sainsburys own label albums are apparently highly collectible, but our local only has this Bob Stanley one and none of the others. It's £20 or on an offer of two LPs for £25. So I got the remastered The Wall double LP for my second one.

The Taste of Folk is a brilliant mix of the obvious (John The Baptist by John & Beverley Martyn, Witches Promise by Jethro Tull, Meet On the Ledge by Fairport, I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight by Richard and Linda Thompson, John Barleycorn Must Die by Traffic, Lady Eleanore by Lindisfarne) with the less known - Forest, Dr Strangely Strange, Bill Fay, Tudor Lodge, Cob, Brother John, Magna Carta, Plainsong etc. The secret of the compilation is that the lesser known ones are really good and stand up to comparison.

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Dunc

Enjoying all the links and mentioned bands, Bill M and Bonk. But I know little of them.

Great Zombies track, Norm. Was playing an album Zombies As and Bs yesterday.

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Norm

Subject: Friday's Picks

The Association --- Never My Love

Merrilee Rush --- Angel of the Morning

Classic V1 --- Stormy

Zombies --- Time of the Season

Skylark --- Wildfire

And a bit of "Canadiana" Stampeders ---Sweet City Woman

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Bill M

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BONK

That is sad news Bill. I was so wishing her album would have won a Grammy. Seems strange her passing and the Grammys being so close together. I've often wondered if it was actually Jackie that Bowman, yourself and others talked to in the last few years. Food for thought.

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Glenn

Former Monkee Peter Tork passes on. In Rolling Stone article "A Lost Tell-All Interview on His Sixties Glory Years" Peter mentions The Band and Big Pink....interviewer:Did anyone give you shit for being in the Monkees or treat you with any less respect than if you were in some other band?

Not that I know of. There was all that stuff about the Monkees, there was a huge controversy about the Monkees not playing their own instruments, being a commercial band, and the truth is, as far as I can tell and as far as I’m concerned, like I said, the Who came over…they hadn’t heard Music from Big Pink, the Band’s album, and I played that, I had a decent stereo system, and I played that beginning to end, and Peter [Townshend] came over to me and said, “It’s really rare,” as it was in those days, particularly rare, “to hear an album that was good from beginning to end.” Because obviously, you had a hit, you cranked out an album, and the album was mediocre except for the hits. That was the custom, and everybody sort of expected it, but Big Pink was good from beginning to end, and those guys were…they saw me for who I was and what I was and what I was doing, and they knew exactly what was happening.

Interesting stuff.

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Bill M

Subject: Jackie Shane, RIP

I know this news will hit Bonk, as he actually saw Jackie in person. I didn't, though I did speak with her on the phone a few times. Nice to go out on a high note, I suppose - nomination of her CD reissue package for a Grammy - but a win would have been nicer still.

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BONK

All right then. Don Messers Hoedown!

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Peter V

Subject: Lindsay Andersons If ....

My series of retrospective reviews of late 60s films is back with my favourite of all, Lindsay Anderson's "If ....". Link to review.

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Bill M

Dunc: He's the post I forgot to post - Red Shea as a member of Larry Lee and the Leesures in 1962. Musically, these guys were Ronnie Hawkins / Hawks wannabees, obviously; socially, the two groups were very close, living down the hall from each other in a Toronto hotel, and getting together to share stories, music and liquor. The music must have included tapes, because the Leesures album that this song comes from includes a couple songs Hawkins / Hawks had recorded with Henry Glover in '61 but didn't see the light of day until Roulette released the "Best of Ronnie Hawkins" LP in '64 (and only in Canada).

Anyway, I really like Red Shea's playing. If you go to YouTube and search "red shea moon boogie twist" you'll get his 'solo' instrumental record with the Leesures, where he starts in country boogie mode and moves into Robbie style R&B for a bit.

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Ragtime

Subject: Watkins Glen cd

Well, as I posted when Pat B revealed the painful truth many years ago, they fooled me! Back then I lauded the atmosphere on this "gig", and I still do, be it fake or not… If even told Pat that I wished I had been there…

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Pat B

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Dag B.

Subject: The Band in 1972-73

Rock of Ages (Point of Reflection), Moondog Matinee, Watkins Glen (Is Everybody Wet?), Roosevelt Stadium, Recording session with Peter Yarrow & Paul Simon, Dylan tour announced, and more.

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Bill M

Bonk: I'd love to add something by the Diamonds if I was aware of anything that struck me as specifically (or even arguably) Canadian. Ditto the Crew Cuts, Four Lads, Paul Anka and a bunch of successful others. Not that they're not Canadian, just that their music doesn't strike me as Canadiana.

Coincidentally, I've been digging a bit into the Diamonds of late. When their original lead singer, Dave Somerville left in '61, he was replaced by Jim Malone from the Blue Tones - see link for their great but only record from 1957; I love the guitar work by Toronto sessionman Eddie Lecuyer. And when Malone left a few years later, he was replaced by Don Weir, whose brother Ian was in a shortlived 1970 version of Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks.

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BONK

How about The Diamonds.

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Peter v

K.d. Lang makes a pretty good list, though no Robbie Robertson, Acadian Driftwood would have fitted the album. K.d. Lang in herself is essential.

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Bill M

Dunc: "Song For A Winter's Night" is indeed a Lightfoot song, though Sarah McLachlan certainly did it justice. Here's a link to Gord performing it in '67 - just about when Sarah was born, I'd say. Note the playing of his longtime accompanist, Red Shea - and watch for the ensuing post.

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Lisa

I looked up the history of Barrett's Privateers once. The lyrics are so rousing (and horrific if you listen to them) that it sounded like an actual event, but it wasn't!

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Dunc

Just found out the song I suggested by Gordon Lightfoot is by a Canadian singer songwriter Sarah McLaughlin. (Not sure of spelling). Huge amount of hits on YouTube. I listen to Gordon Lightfoot singing it. So the excellent Canadian Railroad Trilogy instead for Gordon? Will check out others.

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Bill M

And there's Daniel Lanois. "Acadie"? Something else?

Dunc again: If Lightfoot is allowed just one song, I think it has to be "Canadian Railroad Trilogy" - not because of the title but because after 50+ years it still sends shivers down our spines. (Yes, we have them.)

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Bill M

Dunc: Thanks for the encouragement. The Canadiana double album couldn't be without "Running Back To Saskatoon" by the Guess Who and "At The Hundredth Meridian" by the Tragically Hip (which I suspect most Canadians would see as 'our' bands - along with Rush of course).

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Lisa

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Dunc

Subject: Slapshot

Love the film, Mike. Never seen it for years. Absolutely love sport. Will seek out the song. Nice to hear from you.

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Dunc

Subject: Canadiana

Really enjoyed Walking Down Yongue Street on a Friday, Bill M. Took me back to my youth...something about a Friday. Ah the passing of youth. Surely a Canadiana must.

Great post Beg. I love the alliteration in 'Bought me a fish to fry'. Also, I play both these songs by Joni and Neil. Know them well. Definitely brilliant Canadiana.

And then you need something from Gordon Lightfoot. I remember Kevin telling me that he was respected in Canada because he remained living there. I thought his concert in Scotland was great, but I really only know the greatest hits and a few more. But out of that few more I would select the beautiful 'Song For A Winter's Night'. Just a love song but I think the setting of winter after Bill's earlier posts gives it that Canadiana feel. But maybe one of the great songs would be a better choice.

I think you need Hank Snow's 'Canadian Pacific'. When I saw Ramblin' Jack Elliot in Glasgow, he said that all the best singers come from Canada. He finished by saying Hank Snow was a great singer. So I think for the double album of Canadiana, you need about twenty different songs by twenty different artists. Apart from Leonard Cohen, I'll not be much more help.

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Mike Nomad

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Bill M

BEG: If Joni, then certainly "River" and "Raised On Robbery". And from a different subgenre there's K-os's great "Crabbucket" (linked): "Walking down Yonge Street on a Friday …"

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brown eyed girl

Dunc...Canadiana...Helpless by Neil Young.

There is a town in North Ontario
Dream comfort memory to spare (I never heard the line correctly lol).
And in my mind I still need a place to go
All my changes were there

Joni Mitchell...A Case Of You

On the back of a cartoon coaster
In the blue TV screen light
I drew a map of Canada
Oh Canada
With your face sketched on it twice

I adore her line "Love is touching souls". After reading latest bio on Joni. It was Leonard Cohen who said this to her.
I have always loved Down By The Henry Moore by Murray Mclauchlan. I was just in Kensington Market this week because the best prices for supplements are there as well as is my fave vintage/second hand store. I also like hearing the loud reggae piping through on one of the streets.

Bill M...I've been to Jamaica three times with friends from Westmoreland. We visited Dylan's Sav La Mar to Ocho Rios to Negril Beach and stayed with their family in Montego Bay and Kingston. I can't recall any enforcers lol. I have to admit that the two times I wondered off by myself...drama ensued. Luckily a friend from Guyana who I shared a home with for a couple of years taught me to just be super calm in dicey situations and yes I was fine but I was scared at the time.

Last Five
Set Adrift On Memory Bliss...I was never a fan of Spandau Ballet but I like how they are spliced here in this song.
Valentine's Day...Steve Earle...Good to listen to when your valentine has set adrift.
Live On Bleecker Street...Willie Nile...I have seen him perform with Garland Jeffreys more than once. High energy guy from Buffalo.
Tuff Gong Jr....One of Bob Marley's sons. Downloaded the song but don't recall the name.
Cloud Busting...Kate Bush...Really miss her.

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Bill M

Peter V: I can't believe I didn't event think of Amazing Blondel's "England" album when we started talking Anglicana - it's the absolute cat's meow. The "Landscapes" side was played frequently by CHUM-FM's DJs (likely including John D) in the early '70s, and until it appeared on CD I always kept a spare copy for when my first copy wore out. Oddly enough, almost every copy I've ever seen in used-record stores as been brand spanking mint. As if nobody but me played their copy more than once.

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Peter V

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Ernst Kloimwieder

Subject: Super Seite

Hallo komme aus Österreich und ich finde eure Seite voll toll LG Ernst

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Dunc

Subject: Thanks

Thanks Pat. That’s good. I saw two great different concerts with Kevin. I just bought the Chicago album and Sugar Candy Taxi. I wanted to buy the album with Bath in the background which I once owned and the famous live album too, but crazy prices for those.I’m improving the Anglicana section of the collection.

That would tie in Dag as the term was invented in Dundee on 7th October 1963.

Interesting thoughts Bill M, but I would choose Acadian Driftwood. Our boys across here are defined as Americana and ‘The Weight’ as the defining song. I thought Peter got really. Interesting on Anglicana with the selection of specific songs. So you’ve got to think of a double album of Canadiana songs. Two musts from this intruder are

Four Strong Winds by Ian and Sylvia Tyson

Down By The Henry Moore by BARK

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Bill M

JQ/Peter V: "Another Sad And Lonely Night" is also a great side. In fact, I've never heard anything by Fuller that wasn't great - but little by anyone of the day tops "I Fought The Law". Music aside, R Dean Taylor didn't do too well against the law either, and he just had to worry about the police from Indiana, not the Texas State Troopers like Bobby. Bob Marley did better, obviously, but I suspect that the Sheriff was unarmed, Jamaican bobbies likely being patterned after the English at the time. BEG might be able to say for sure.

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Dag B.

Subject: Beatlemania

This Associated Press story appeared in dozens of North American newspapers in late October 1963.

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Pat B

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JQ

Hi Peter - I watched the brilliant Fantastic Mr Fox the other day and it ends with Let Her Dance. Also recently, I listened to David Lindley and Rossy’s take on I Fought The Law from a record DL made with artists from Madagascar; Henry Kaiser was in on that one too. And I really like Bobby Fuller’s cover of Buddy Holly’s Love’s Made a Fool of You - a sad topic I guess but a very happy sound.

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Peter V

JQ: I've been contemplating the new Bobby Fuller compilation CD - while listening to Chuck Prophets "Bobby Fuller Died For Your Sins." I also found an original 45 of I Fought The Law a few weeks ago. Today was even better- an original Chan Romero Hippy Hippy Shake from 1959.

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JQ

By the Way I Forgive You - Brandi Carlile

Honky Tonk - Sun Volt

Beggars Banquet - RS

Tomorrow Is My Turn - Rhiannon Giddens

Best Of - Bobby Fuller 4

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Bill M

Bruce Cockburn's "Coldest Night Of The Year" is an excellent call. A couple of BaRK covers that you're familiar with: David Wiffen's "While Line", Fred Eaglesmith's "49 Tons".

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Dunc

Subject: Beatlemania

I was brought up with the claim that Beatlemania was used firstly in Dundee. Newspapers including The Guardian stated this at the time of the gallery buying the pictures. Although the pictures are related to an October 1964 concert, the Beatles also played Dundee in October 1963. I only found this out twenty minutes ago. It was after this concert that Andy Lothian coined the phrase Beatlemania. So maybe Dundee still has a claim. Marmalade and Dennis the Menace were invented in Dundee for goodness sake.

Thanks BEG. I would like to have seen the exhibition. I’ve spent a month of my life in Toronto - lovely city.

Thanks John D. I’m sure it would be difficult. When I was completing my Stones collection, Peter had to sort it out for me because I couldn’t get the British stones number 2 album yet could get early American releases! This confused me.

So BEG, John, Bill, Joe, Norm, Bonk, Mike, Landward et al who are the Canadiana artists? A start must be the Coldest Night of the Year?

Playing Fearless by Family. Brilliant. Have to go out soon. Bah Humbug!

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Bill M

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Peter V

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brown eyed girl

Dunc...Re John Cale...No recordings. Re Beatles...I saw this exhibit a few years ago. I sent PV a few photos.

Video: Beatles exhibit a snapshot of life in Toronto in the ’60s A new Beatles exhibit at Toronto’s Market Gallery explores how Beatlemania influenced the city’s emerging artists. “When the Beatles Rocked Toronto” marks the 50th anniversary of the Fab Four’s final Maple Leaf Gardens show

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John D

Subject: Beatlemania

Dunc. I believe the album released in the U.K. "With The Beatles" became known as "Meet The Beatles" in the U.S. and here in Canada it was called "BEATLEMANIA." It becomes exhausting trying to remember which tracks were released on what albums, once they got across the pond.

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Dunc

Subject: Beatlemania

I saw Family only once on the 14th January 1972 at 8pm in the Caird Hall, Dundee.

In 1964 the term ‘Beatlemania’ was used for the first time to describe the fans’ reaction at a Beatles’ concert. I went into the McManus Gallery, Dundee a couple of weeks ago to see a small exhibition of Beatles’ pictures taken by a local photographer, recently purchased by the gallery at an auction. If you google Beatles pictures McManus Gallery, you’ll be able to see some of them. If I remember correctly, both Peter and Roger saw the Beatles on this tour in Bournemouth. ( Hi Guys).

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Peter V

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Peter V

Subject: Holding The Compass

The German TV Holding The Compass hadn't come up on mine, but I found it. The original version was before John joined. I linked the German TV one with John on double neck guitar - interestingly he's doing it all on the six string, playing the bass part as well as guitar. I'd never seen that clip before. Thanks.

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Dunc

Subject: Great posts

Thanks Peter and Pat. Great posts.

Bandstand is a great album. It’s been with me all my life. It may have been a heavy contraption., but I thought John’s combined instrument was really cool back in the day. I wouldn’t have known his name back in the day really only knowing Chapman’s name. Next to Peter’s links is ‘Holding The Compass’ on German television. I think it is really great, and I never thought about it before until Peter mentioned it some time in the past, but I think it illustrates the link between folk and prog rock. Prog rock is a horrible categorisation and it did get out of control.

Thanks, Pat. By that time maybe Kevin was suffering from his demons.

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John D

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Pat B

KC: So who do you like?

PB: The Band

KC: Ewww. All that horrid frontiersmen shite. So fucking self-important. Robbie Robertson writes that terrible "people of the soil" crap I just can't stand. Mountain men issuing art from the wooded heights. Ugh, I can't bear it.

PB: Geez, I love them.

KC: Well, I could be wrong.

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Pat B

KC: So who do you like?

PB: The Band

Ewww. All that horrid frontiersmen shite. So fucking self-important. Robbie Robertson writes that terrible "people of the soil" crap I just can't stand. Mountain men issuing art from the wooded heights. Ugh, I can't bear it.

PB: Geez, I love them.

KC: Well, I could be wrong.

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Peter V

Subject: Spanish Tide

Bandstand is not only a great album, it has a great sleeve. Yes, John Wetton had been lead vocalist in three bands, and wanted to write and sing lead, which was limited in Family, though having a second vocalist in John really added a lot. In Family he used the heavy twin neck guitar / bass guitar which he blamed for later shoulder problems. More, John wanted to join King Crimson. He saw them rehearse way back in 1969, described it in a letter to me and was totally knocked out. They later made overtures to John a couple of times but he was tied up. They were his dream band at the time, and he’d known Robert Fripp for years. In King Crimson, he was the only vocalist and got a chance to write. At that time he was in high demand for session work too. A contributing factor is that Bill Graham had made it crystal clear during the Family US tour that they were f*cked, because they had not followed his ban on swinging the microphone. So John also knew that their opportunities had suddenly become restricted. He remained friends with them. He played bass uncredited on one track on the subsequent album It’s Only A Movie – he’d been hanging out watching them record and they just asked. He wasn’t sure which track it was, saw a copy in my house and we sat and listened and he finally said, ‘Right. That one’s me.’

LINK: Family on the Whistle Test. Spanish Tide. Just listen to that bass playing from John.

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Dunc

Subject: Last Five Played

'Marjory Razorblade' - Kevin Coyne. I think this is a great album, but perhaps it would be have been even greater if it had not been a double album. I think this explains why it was not the Virgin success it should have been like Tubular Bells. Because of this mistake at the beginning of his career, it hindered Kevin Coyne in becoming the success he should have been...that and personal demons. Interesting Pat B, I didn't know of that album. I saw Kevin twice - once with a band and once on his own in the twilight of his career - two great evenings.

'Bandstand' - Family. I love this album - thoughtful and innovative. I love Family. Peter's late, great friend, John Wetton plays on this album. I only saw them play once and it was this line up I saw. I was researching and John seemed to leave because Chapman/Whitney were the writers and Chapman was the singer. A talented guy such as John Wetton needed to do more than just be the bass player. Peter, is that it? I didn't know this until two days ago. My favourite track on the album is Coronation which has writing credits as Chapman/Witney/Wetton. It's a brilliant track on a great album.

'The Ballad of Peckham Rye - Blue Rose Code. I saw this guy hosting a concert of musicians celebrating some great Scottish songs. I really went to the concert because of Hamish Stuart. But I thought Ross(Blue Rose Code) was great. I bought this album and it's brilliant. A strange coincidence - I found out that Ross had moved to Bournemouth and John Wetton had mentored him and they became friends. I emailed Peter's 'Celebration of John's Life' to his manager, who said he would be interested.

'Northern Lights -Southern Cross' -The Band. I love this album and don't need to say more. But one thing ... only a genius such as Garth would have put bagpipes (using a chanter) on 'Acadian Driftwood'. Brilliant.

'Over The Years' - Graham Nash - This is a great collection of his songs. Marrakesh Express is my favourite Graham Nash song. It was the song I played on the juke box at Uni. As I posted when I saw him recently, his voice was still young, clear and beautiful. You could hear every word. His communication between songs was great, for example telling us about Joni Mitchell and saying how Stephen Stills was underrated as a lead guitarist.

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Norm

Subject: Five - 5 - -V11

Just listening (and watching) a youtube. 2017 at Hyde Park. Paul Simon sings "The Boxer" with Jerry Douglas beside him on his dobro. Probably the best I've ever heard this song.

Classic Rock Show plays Meatloaf's "Bat out of Hell" just superb.

Milk N Blues - "The Thrill is Gone

Nancy Griffith - "The Speed of the Sound of Loneliness"

James Taylor & Mavis Staples at the Kennedy Centre honor for Paul McCartney they sing "Let it Be"

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Peter v

Will have to think about Jimmy Webb and politics. Rumer’s take on P.F.Sloan is my favourite. I was listening to her a lot two or three years ago, and she turns up on various compilation tributes. She’s a great interpreter. A couple of years ago, I wanted to see her in concert and it was sold out, so I guess pretty popular. Well worth exploring her albums.

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JQ

PV - I don’t know her well at all, is she a big deal over there? I like her take on Jimmy Webb’s P.F. Sloan a lot too. I’m thinking that’s the only song he’s penned that contains any social and political commentary, you?

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Peter V

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Peter V

Duane Eddy: Duane A Go Go (LP)

Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath CD

The Bootleg Series Vol 12, CD 13 (4th Time / Visions of J / Most Likely)

State of The Union: The American Dream in Crisis 1967-71, a Bob Stanley & Pete Wiggs compilation on Ace. CD

Hey Baby! Nino Tempo & April Stevens LP (on Atlantic, 1966)

Two recent LP finds in there.

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Peter V

Back to the debate on Daryl Sanders book, stating that Robbie was not there and that Jerry Kennedy played the guitar fills. If you have the Bootleg Series 12, listen to Visions of Johanna Take 4 at around 2 minutes (allegedly the final cut) then to the released version. The released lead guitar is louder with a more thrilling tone (which can be electronic treatment), but is it exactly the same guitar part? I wondered whether everybody was right - Jerry Kennedy played the fills first, then they overdubbed Robbie and improved them?

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BONK

He don't love you and he'll break your heart.

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Bill M

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haso

Subject: 5 & Dustbowl

Catching up from a couple of weeks back; sorry Peter, Dunc and those much more versed than me, I got nuthin' on the Anglicana/Americana discussion. Charlie Y mentions seeing a tandem concert down in "Old Virginny". Glad to hear you saw Dustbowl & Cowtown. Yeah, I was pretty curious about those Garth licks they played and had to ask the lead singer. I had thought somehow they were pre-recorded, the way they mounted a speaker on a chair in front of a microphone, but Liz explained that Conner, the fiddle player was doing that through his petal. Sort of a wah-wah petal, perhaps. Isn't that how Garth got the original funk clavinet on Cripple Creek? She also gave the rundown on Dustbowl's Band playlist; good to have Hot Club of Cowtown's list as well. I'll seek out that EP, interested to hear their versions of Across the Great Divide, Evangeline and When You Awake.

Last 5:

Allman Bros - original Fillmore East cd, disc 1 taking us up through W. Cobb's You Don't Love Me. "Play all night". I always wondered if anyone ever claimed to be that voice... kind of the opposite of the guy who has said he was "Judas" from Manchester Free Trade Hall.

Paul Butterfield Band - Resurrection of Pigboy Crabshaw

Neil Young - Harvest. Man needs a Maid?!, not atypical I suppose for Neil to throw in serious curveballs.

The Seldom Scene - Recorded live at the Cellar Door

Larkin Poe - Peach

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Bill M

A quiz: Which early song by our guys does this one sound like? (Hint: The same, but with vocal, and properly credited, serves as the record's A-side.)

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Wallsend

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Norbert

Ephemera is a beautiful word, it derives from the Greek ephemeros, meaning "lasting only one day" I learn.
Maybe The Band itself was some kind of ephemeros, a miracle like a butterfly, lasting just for one day.

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Norbert

I like to watch Prince’ exceptional guitar solo, afterwards he throws his guitar into the air, this is the story (from GuitarPlayer online).

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“Everybody wonders where that guitar went, and I gotta tell you, I was on the stage, and I wonder where it went, too.”
In the week after Prince’s death on April 21, 2016, a video of him playing the guitar solo on an all-star version of the Beatles’ “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” with Tom Petty, Jeff Lynne and others was shared repeatedly on social media. The video comes from the 2004 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremonies, where the song’s writer, George Harrison, was inducted, along with Prince, ZZ Top, Bob Seger, Jackson Browne, Traffic and Fifties doo-wop group the Dells.

We first shared the video in August 2015 and revisited it again in December of that year. In fact, it proved so popular with our readers that we shared it once more in March 2016, as well as after Prince’s death. His solo generates pure excitement, but the crowning touch comes at the end of the song, when Prince takes off his guitar—a Tele-style H.S. Anderson Mad Cat—and throws it up in the air…and it appears never to come down.

In the days after Prince died, the New York Times ran an article about the performance in which Petty and others who performed with Prince that night shared their memories. According to the paper, the show’s producer, Joel Gallen, asked Prince to play the song’s solos, since he was there to be inducted anyway. But during rehearsals, Marc Mann, who plays guitar with Lynne, took over, knocking out a note-perfect recreation of Eric Clapton’s original mid-song solo.

“And we get to the big end solo,” Gallen says, “and Prince again steps forward to go into the solo, and this guy starts playing that solo too!”

There wasn’t time to get it right, but Prince assured Gallen everything would be fine at the performance. He told the producer to let Mann take the first solo, and he would perform the extended outro solo. “They never rehearsed it, really,” Gallen says. “Never really showed us what he was going to do, and he left, basically telling me, the producer of the show, not to worry.

“And the rest is history. It became one of the most satisfying musical moments in my history of watching and producing live music.”

Though Prince is onstage the entire time, he stands off to the side until the end, when he takes center stage. From that point on, the show is entirely his. His slick stage move at 4:43 and his guitar face at 5:05 are as enjoyable as anything he plays...and he plays up a storm. The smile on the face of Dhani Harrison—George Harrison’s son, who plays acoustic guitar on the number—shows how much he was enjoying Prince’s star-turn on his father’s song.

“You see me nodding at him, to say, ‘Go on, go on,’” Petty said. “I remember I leaned out at him at one point and gave him a ‘This is going great!’ kind of look.n “He just burned it up. You could feel the electricity of ‘something really big’s going down here.’”

But what about that disappearing guitar? Once it leaves Prince’s hands, it never reappears, and the video shows no one catching it. Even Petty’s drummer, Steve Ferrone, remains confused about it—and he was onstage.

“I didn’t even see who caught it,” he says. “I just saw it go up, and I was astonished that it didn’t come back down again.

“Everybody wonders where that guitar went, and I gotta tell you, I was on the stage, and I wonder where it went, too.”

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Bill M

I felt like listening to Baaba Maal's "Call To Prayer" so went to YouTube, which led me to the wonderful linked performance by Baaba Maal with Mumford and Sons in South Africa. Rousing, it is.

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Solomon

Little Bit of Love

My Brother Jake

Wishing Well

Travellin In Style

Remember

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Jed

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Jed

I've listened to a few of these shows over the years and am listening to whats posted here-high energy is putting it mildly.Dylan and the boys pretty much blew up the buildings on that tour. What interested me was the '74 tour-loud and wild-juxtaposed with the controlled, tight,soft,beautiful Planet Waves.Two very different sounds, moods,whatever.Both bookends to the last chapter of Dylan & The Band.

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Peter V

There are CD bootlegs of Boston (Jan 14th), Capitol Center (Jan 15), Madison Square Gardens (Jan 31st)

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Pat B

Enjoy the whole thing but dig if you will the crowd reaction at around 3:06:00 on out. That's 3 hours, 6 minutes. Tribal.

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Dag B.

Subject: 1974 recordings

Details of the 1974 recordings at the LosslessBob site.

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Wallsend

Pat, of course you are right about the 74 tour, I guess I just tend to play the California and New York shows more than the others.

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Pat B

According to most sources, Boston SB is definitely available. The link shows how many different shows are available with audience tapes. Everyone needs to hear LARS from Uniondale NY when the crowd goes nuts.

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Pat B

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Wallsend

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Bill M

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Peter V

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Peter V

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Norbert

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During the week, I lived with my grandparents. On Saturdays my daddy put me on the rack of his bike and we drove in large circles and figures of eight just for fun on our way to the hospital. I would see Mommy standing on the balcony on the third floor coughing. Daddy would explain that if we went in we could get sick too. I would wave to her and she would wave back. I saw her talking to me, but her voice was too weak and her words were carried away by the wind. I remember that she always tried to smile.

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Blood All Over the Floor:
On October 7, 1975, I was plastering a patient’s arm when an assistant nurse burst through the door and announced that a plane had crashed and the wounded were coming in by helicopter. It was my fifth day as a junior doctor on the emergency ward in the small coastal town of Hudiksvall in Sweden. All the senior staff were down in the dining hall and as the assistant nurse and I searched frantically for the folder of disaster instructions, I could already hear the helicopter landing. The two of us were going to have to handle this on our own.

Seconds later a stretcher was rolled in, bearing a man in dark green overalls and a camouflage life jacket. His arms and legs were twitching. An epileptic seizure, I thought; off with his clothes. I removed his lifejacket easily but his overalls were more problematic. They looked like a spacesuit, with huge sturdy zippers all over, and no matter how hard I tried I couldn’t find the zipper that undid them. I had just registered that the uniform meant this was a military pilot when I noticed the blood all over the floor. “He’s bleeding,” I shouted. With this much blood, I knew he could be dead in a matter of seconds, but with the overalls still on, I couldn’t see where it was coming from. I grabbed a big pair of plaster pliers to cut through the fabric and howled to the assistant nurse, “Four bags of blood, O-negative. Now!”

To the patient, I shouted, “Where does it hurt?” “Yazhe shisha ... na adjezhizha zha ...” he replied. I couldn’t understand a word, but it sounded like Russian. I looked the man in his eyes and said with a clear voice, “Bee thxo TOBapnnj, mBe^cicaya dojiBHnpa,” which means “All is calm, comrade, Swedish hospital.”

I will never forget the look of panic I triggered with those words. Frightened out of his mind, he stared back at me and tried to tell me something: “Vavdvfor papratarjenji rysskamememje ej ...” I looked into his eyes full of fear, and then I realized: this must be a Russian fighter pilot who has been shot down over Swedish territory. Which means that the Soviet Union is attacking us. World War III has started! I was paralyzed by fear.

Fortunately, at that moment the head nurse, Birgitta, came back from lunch. She snatched the plaster pliers from my hand and hissed, “Don’t shred it. That’s an air force ‘G suit’ and it costs more than 10,000 Swedish kronor.” After a beat she added, “And can you please step off the life jacket. You’re standing on the color cartridge and it is making the whole floor red.”

Birgitta turned to the patient, calmly freed him from his G suit, and wrapped him in a couple of blankets. In the meantime she told him in Swedish, “You were in the icy water for 23 minutes, which is why you are jerking and shivering, and why we can’t understand what you’re saying.” The Swedish air force pilot, who had evidently crashed during a routine flight, gave me a comforting little smile.

A few years ago I contacted the pilot, and was relieved to hear that he doesn’t remember a thing from those first minutes in the emergency room in 1975. But for me the experience is hard to forget. I will forever remember my complete misjudgment. Everything was the other way around: the Russian was Swedish, the war was peace, the epileptic seizure was cooling, and the blood was a color ampule from inside the life jacket. Yet it had all seemed so convincing to me.

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The Foreign Disease:
The body’s largest organ is the skin. Before modern medicine, one of the worst imaginable skin diseases was syphilis, which would start as itchy boils and then eat its way into the bones until it exposed the skeleton. The microbe that caused this disgusting sight and unbearable pain had different names in different places. In Russia it was called the Polish disease. In Poland it was the German disease; in Germany, the French disease; and in France, the Italian disease. The Italians blamed back, calling it the French disease.

The instinct to find a scapegoat is so core to human nature that it’s hard to imagine the Swedish people calling the open sores the Swedish disease, or the Russians calling it the Russian disease. That’s not how people work. We need someone to blame and if a single foreigner came here with the disease, then we would happily blame a whole country. No further investigation needed.

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Bill M

Peter V: I like the point about the best ones not being based on jokes or quips. I also agree with someone's point yesterday that the best don't have (or need) laugh tracks. And yes, "Frasier" is the best of the lot from recent decades. A valuable Cleese insight was that he and Connie Booth, in writing "Fawlty Towers", always made sure to hide the plot points were hidden in funny bits, meaning less was obvious and more was funny as a result.

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brown eyed girl

Breakin' The Rules...Robbie Robertson

I tried to reach you
On Valentine's Day
But how can I reach you
When you're so far away
Don't make me a victim
Don't make me the clown
With my arms reaching out
And my head hanging down

I bring you this cross
I carved out of wood
I'm just trying to tell you
That I'd change if I could

Peter V and K... :-D

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Peter V

Last five:

Hostiles, OST – Max Richter

Little Honey- Lucinda Williams. Amazing amazon reseller delivery - same day as I ordered it, hand delivery. No stamp, just through the door in an envelope. The seller must be in Poole too.

Candy Philosophy – Michael Marra

1968 – Ace compilation by Jon Savage

Those Who Are About To Die Salute You- Colosseum – Pulled out of the rack after decades. Jim Litherland is a bit of a surprise interruption to the mainly instrumental tracks when he starts singing, but it sounds a lot like early days of Jim Litherland’s Brotherhood which became Mogul Thrash. Jon Hiseman is horrendously busy- technically clever, but far too much going on. Tony Reeves does one hell of a long bass solo. I saw them at least twice (and Mogul Thrash several times).

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brown eyed girl

Happy Valentine's Day!

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Peter V

I tend not to investigate streaming, but the show from the BTF tour that’s desirable is the first one in Chicago. There’s a different set list, I believe Dylan stayed on for The Band songs on second guitar, and you get Share Your Love, Holy Cow, Hero Blues, Song for Woody. I had it on cassette. Not great quality sound, but high on interest value. Is that one around online in a decent version?

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Peter V

I think homophobia and misogyny are post-event PC constructions in a differentworld. Take the Sergeant Major calling the performers “a load of poofs.” That was what a Sergeant Major would say, and as a long-haired roadie for a band, being called “a load of poofs” was a frequent daily occurrence circa early 1970s and we thought nothing of it.

As Jimmy Perry has said in interviews, Perry & Croft wrote situations for funny characters. They never consciously wrote jokes or quips. That was what differentiated much British and American comedy. I would place the two most successful, “Frasier” and “Friends” as like the British in their comic approach.

“Norsemen” on Netflix – a Norwegian production, filmed simultaneously in Norwegian and English is good. They are savage Vikings in 790 AD doing savage Viking things while speaking in rationale “social worker” speak. Love it.

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Rod

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Wallsend

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John D

Just finished binge watching "Line of Duty" on Netflix. It was bloody brilliant. The main reason is that I find the Brits really know how to write great dramas. Great cop shows. More so than over here. Twists and turns with plenty of intrigue. Anyway I hear that season 5 is coming soon. The endings for season 3 and 4 had us on the end of our seats. The two latter seasons were shot in Belfast.

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Bill M

Where is today's "Mary Tyler Moore Show" or "Bob Newhart Show" or "WKRP" or even "Barney Miller"?

Who's old enough to remember Chad and Jeremy doing a tour of the major US sitcoms during the time of the British Invasion?

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Pat B

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Norm

Subject: The New Movie!

"TRUMPED" Staring Don Knots! as Donald Trump.

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Jon Lyness

Jed, my pleasure. I'm loving it too. One thing I'm noticing is that Richard's piano and Garth's organ seem to be way up in the mix... IMO it sounds very different than the Before The Flood mix, giving some of the 'heavier' songs a much more playful feel.

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Jed

Thanks for the heads up-a kick ass show if I ever did hear one.

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Peter V

Also, we had way more Christmas-themed number one records in the season. It may be because we focussed more on just the one chart rather than genre charts.

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Peter V

On The Buses is stretching it a bit far, Bill. That is LCD comedy. Anything by Perry & Croft was above that.

Benny Hill is a sad story. His shows were the biggest earner internationally for Thames TV. I never liked his shows much, but they had a huge international appeal. There was a building whispering campaign against him for years from those minor functionaries at the TV station earning their pay checks from off what sales of his material earned the TV company. The PC knife was eventually put in whatever, and he was left perplexed by it all. He was weird, but I will leap to his defence because his school in Southampton was evacuated to Bournemouth in WW2, and shared premises with the school I (and Roger W) later attended. Thus he is counted as an old boy of the school.

Link is to Benny Hill's number one UK record, Ernie (The Fastest Milkman In The West). You should watch it … and it's a catchy ditty.

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JQ

There’s a new series here called Miracle Workers where Steve Buscemi plays god. I’m thinking this god dude we fall down on our knees for could be the next target of great humor - the subject matter is endlessly supplied for that. Monty Python took a successful swing at it. And then the Irish theocracy banned it - in the 70’s! He (capital H) deserves to be taken down more than a peg or two. I’d bet He has a supreme sense of self deprecating humor. We’ll see.

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JQ

I think humor here keeps evolving and once we’ve moved from one style era to something new we do that until it’s exhausted. It’s generational too in that it becomes more difficult to evolve as we age out. The show Laugh In changed American humor and, watching it today, it’s just done for. In the later 70’s Saturday Night Live changed everything again, in movies too, but now John Beluchi, Chevy Chase, etc are like Red Skelton, just done for. It seems like the English stuff has a longer lifespan but it can age out eventually too. We appreciate the old stuff, in its original context, but that’s more for humor acedemics. WC Fields, Laurel & Hardy remain appreciated that way, Charlie Chaplin not so much. Not to be arrogant, but I think one can gauge a person’s intelligence by what they find funny. I think the Hollywood marketeers understand this and attempt to put out different styles for every demo they think is large enough. Once you hear a laugh track you know it ain’t going to be very funny.

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Norm

Subject: What's Funny?? "The Deal Maker"

This morning just now as Susan and I ate breakfast, she had on CNN. So here is the haggling of Trump the great deal maker Losing more and more of the cash for his WALL.

So I said to Susan, remember in the "Life of Brian" where they are trying to buy the fake beards? No-no that's not the way you do it! You got to haggle. You guys got to remember that. Well Susan started laughing so hard I thought she'd wet her jammies. It is what that childish idiot is like tho'. and he does it seriously without even trying..........it's gut busting and pathetic at the same time.

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Bill M

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Peter V

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Norm

Subject: Funny??

Hell..........with Canadians everything is funny!

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Wallsend

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Before the Flood

Woof, you're right about that Pat. Definitely getting older here!

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Bill M

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Pat B

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JQ

I just became aware that he died late last year. There’s several films with rock stars in his catalog plus Don’t Look Now from ‘73. I was watching In Bruges for the millionth time (remains brilliant!) and there was a line there about that film and I’ve read it had a big impact on M McDonagh.

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Dylan & The Band Feb 1974

Listening to the amazing 2/11/74 show by Dylan & the Band on the Paste Magazine site. I was completely unaware that Rainy Day Women was played on the '74 tour... it's a wild version. Go to expectingrain dot com and the show is the 17th link.

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Peter V

Subject: Another clip

This is another two and a half minute clip - with the Indian character. You can see why it's non PC … but … it includes British army duties like painting stones white.

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Peter V

Subject: It Ain't Half Hot Mum

In case you're wondering what it was all about, here is a 2 minute 30 second compilation of clips from the programme on YouTube, in tribute to Windsor Davies who played the Sergeant Major. You may see why it fell foul of the PC lobby … but he is brilliant.

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Dunc

Really enjoyed Hi De Hi and It Aint Half Hot Mum.

Bassmanlee, I responded to your post, but was getting Johnny Cash. Trying again. Before I read your post, I watched Ken Loach's My Name -- Joe. Is is the missing word. It's a brilliant, but harrowing film. Tremendous acting, realistic accents and it did well throughout the UK so my friends in the South must have understood the accents. Was it successful in the USA and Canada? Difficult to understand the accents? It's on Amazon Prime. I don't know anything about Interview.

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Peter V

I guess you're right on the PC issue.

It Ain’t Half Hot Mum was a major British sitcom by Perry & Croft, and the link between DAD’S ARMY and HI-DE-HI. All three based on experience … Home Guard, Army Entertainment team in India in 1945 and working in a Holiday Camp. Perry & Croft’s DAD’S ARMY is still shown every week on the main BBC channels at Prime Time. Bob Spiers directed one of my video series. He also directed some Dad’s Army and Fawlty Towers. We spent hours discussing comedy into the early hours, and he assured me Dad’s Army was the best sitcom of all time.

Sadly, It Ain’t Half Hot Mum fell victim to PC here. When it was still broadcast, I discussed it with two Indian actors who were recording audio with me. They said the PC issue was having a white guy, Michael Bates, playing the Indian bearer in make-up. The bearer narrates, and is so proud to be “British” and makes disparaging comments about “Indians”. The Indian actors thought it very funny, very true and would have had no problem doing the roles themselves, but objected to a white guy in make up doing it. The other issue was that it’s an entertainments troupe with a guy who sings in drag (Melvyn Hays) and a pianist with an Oxford degree. Both are called “poofs” by the macho Sergeant Major who wants to get them out of the entertainments troupe and into the jungle with guns. I’ve met Windsor Davies (RIP) who brilliantly played the Sergeant Major.

In the sitcom, Don Estelle is “Lofty” a very short guy with an operatic voice. He duetted with Windsor Davies singing “Whispering Grass” from the show in 1975, and they had a UK #1 hit record. The follow up, Paper Doll, got to #45.

It Ain’t Half Hot Mum never gets repeats now. Still, I have the Complete Box Set.

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Wallsend

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Peter V

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Peter V

Subject: Car CD players

Link to my latest rant "Whatever happened to car CD players?" Comments enabled and welcome on my blog.

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GregD

Peter V- just saw your message now after being away from the guestbook for a few days. As someone else who was 25 in 1987, and with a father who was an avid watcher of all t.v. shows British, I can't say I've heard of the show you mentioned either.

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Peter V

There is so much to discover. I had never even remotely heard of Interview, perhaps because their heyday 1978-81 was right when I was busiest at work, and with writing and touring AND we had young kids. A lot of music around then escaped me - I kind of resurfaced in 1982.

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Pat B

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Norm

Subject: Mark knopfler

As far as being Anglicana, then does it not stand to reason that "Done with Bonaparte" should be very much that?

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Peter V

I'm going through my more ambient LPs in my daily hour with feet elevated. Today was an oddity- Modern Jazz Quartet "Under The Jasmin Tree" which was the fourth non-Beatle Apple LP. Apparently someone thought they'd add a bit of class to Apple, but then no one ever bothered to promote their Apple releases. I wondered which Beatle decided to sign them.

It's very typical MJQ - pleasant noodling about really, a bit too conservative in recording the bass and drums too. The piano was the same as that used on Hey Jude. I bought it because (a) it was on Apple which made me curious and (b) it has a cover picture by Alan Aldridge, who was designing all the great Penguin book covers at that time.

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Peter V

The Bowie programme last night (Before Fame) confirmed the Anthony Newley interest, as well as playing lots of Anglicana snippets from the Deram and Philips albums, including my choice Rubber Band.

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Izzy Young

JOHN D posted: "Can't find anywhere why he (Izzy) moved to Stockholm of all places." Yes, you can find it HERE on gb! - There was a woman behind this.

Izzy's Folklore Centrum was situated in the former working man's neighborhood in Stockholm- - which became the bohemian neighborhood - - which became the politically correct hipster neighborhood for rich IT and media people. I wonder how Izzy felt about that.

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Roger

Subject: Anglicana

I'm enjoying listening to the Anglicana playlist as it grows. I’d nominate for inclusion Roy Harper’s ‘When An Old Cricketer Leaves The Crease’. John Arlott’s phrase. The song is on the album Headquarters – a reference to Lords cricket ground.

I’d also nominate something by Mark Knopfler. Dire Straits’ Sultans of Swing must fit the bill mustn’t it? But I’d choose ‘One More Matinee’ from Sailing to Philadelphia. Actually there’s loads of Mark Knopfler stuff – 5.15 am and The Trawlerman’s Song from Shangri-la might fit.

There was a great SkyArts documentary about the Kinks this week. It's a couple of years old so I'm probably just catching up. Waterloo Sunset has to be in the top ten all time great pop songs - or chart songs. Not sure it's better than God Only Knows or Air (Incredible String Band) but it's on a par.

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Norm the Westcoaster

Subject: Gettin' Back to Cryin' JQ

Stting back in my old oak chair at my desk listening to John Prine, (a more resent video on youtube) after he mentions Steve Goodman, he sings "Souveniers"

I hate grave yards and old pawn shops for they always bring me tears.

It took me years to get these souveniers...........

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joe j

Last 5:

Bobbie Gentry "Okolona River Bottom Band"

Bobbie "Mississippii Delta"

Loretta Lynn "Coal Miner's Daughter"

The Move "Last Thing On My Mind"

Rod Stewart "Gasoline Alley"

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Norm

Subject: Thar she blows!

JQ........No snow at all. Sunny weather but record Northerly wind. 65 knots last night. It blew steadier than I have ever seen a north wind here. Just really cold.

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JQ

Hi Bassman - We just burned through all 8 seasons of George Gently and now I feel I can pick out a Geordie accent. Though I’d never (nowt?) attempt to do one myself.

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b.lee

Subject: Adding to the list

Dunc (I think it was), apologies from this lunkheaded 'Merican who can't tell British from English, though we know Scotland, Wales and Ireland bring their own to the table. But don't expect us to pick out accents. Unless it's very pronounced, y'all sound the same to our ears. At this point I mis-hear or flat out miss much of what people say no matter where they are from. Some is hearing damage, some seems to accompany the current condition(s). I need subtitles for American TV, let alone foreign. I'm hopeless in a crowded room. Just smile and nod.

I would nominate 'Harvest Festival' as a quintessential Anglicana entry from XTC. The first time I heard it I wondered "what the hell are these guys on about?". We really have no equivalent over here.

Also Dunc, I have one LP by Interview, who I believe are Scots. True story. I was up very late (or very early depending on which end of the stick) and the normally unadventurous pop station played an album at the end of the night man's shift. (Lazy men, looking for an easier way?) So they played Snakes and Ladders by Interview but I did not catch the group or album's name. Halfway on I threw a tape in the machine and managed to record some of it. Later in the week I grabbed the tape, jumped in the car and headed for the local LP pushers. While searching for the right bit to play for the staff, hoping they could tell me what it was, I MANGLED THE TAPE! Merde! So I smooth out and rewind the tape the best I can and take the poor thing in with me. The counterman is game to try to play a bit of it. It gets about 20 seconds along and mangles again. "Interview" the man says. His colleague nods, reaches over and pulls the record out of the bin. Of course at this point I HAVE to buy it. It's a stunner. I think Conqueror might be my favorite.

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JQ

Hi Westcoaster - Are you guys getting hit hard up there too?

I know for those in Chicago and Toronto this is pissant but I’ve never seen a forecast here like this before. We’ve got 8 inches on the ground now - on day1 - and the forecast is for 10 more straight days of snow. Does it hurt much to freeze to death??

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Peter V

Subject: Link

I forgot the link.

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Peter V

Being idle at home, I have a review of Netflix surprisingly major hit comedy - drama TV series, "Sex Education." It's doing well on both sides of the Atlantic.

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Dunc

Subject: Anglicana

I've really enjoyed the Anglicana article and the subsequent posts and suggestions. I think that an important factor, and quite difficult at times, is to distinguish between Anglicana and British music.

Also, for those across the pond, if the English celebrate anything then a section of the populations of the other home countries accuse them of triumphalism. (This is because they are the biggest country.) As a well balanced Scot,I think this is unfair. Anglicana might suffer from this.

I'm playing Paris 1919 just now. As time goes on, I appreciate this beautiful album more and more. I think it is Anglicana even though it contains 'Child's Christmas in Wales' and in 'Half Past France' the person wonders when he will get to Dundee. And of course, it was written by a Welshman.

I read articles about Paris 1919, last year. An interesting article compared it to a Graham Greene novella. In addition to the song 'Graham Greene', in the CD's outtakes there is the beautiful song 'Burned Out Affair' a play on Graham Greene's novels 'Burned Out Case' and 'the End of the Affair'.

One commentator describes it as a European album.

It's difficult to work out the meanings in some songs. I always think that this is a good thing. In 'Half Past France' is it a soldier returning to Dundee or a musician at the end of a tour?

Much of he music is English, despite Lowell George playing on it. At the time the decision to use him was considered unusual, but I think John Cale is just using an excellent guitarist.

Hi Beg, great Lou fan, do you play it? For those of you who don't have it, it's a must.

So I think this brilliant album is Anglicana, Peter.

PS Peter. Might have been a Motherwell fan? I think fans are allowed to choose the records played at half time now. Scottish cup in two hours.

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Peter V

Subject: Delta Sweete Revisited

Try this link … it's Margo Price with Mercury Rev on Bobbie Gentry's "Sermon."

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Peter V

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Peter V

My five are affected by advice to spend one hour a day feet elevated, resting. Hence Max Richter and Garth.

The Delta Sweete Revisited by Mercury Rev. Tribute to Bobbie Gentry’s classic with various female singers, including Norah Jones and Lucinda Williams. Fabulous - though I Don;t think Lucinda nails Ode to Billy Joe, which was not on the original album. The rest is great.

Four Seasons Reimagined - Max Richter. I saw it live a year ago.

The Blue Notebooks - Max Richter

The Sea To The North - Garth Hudson

Curried Jazz - an odd but sought after 1968 LP on a budget label. Sitars, tablas, bass guitar and flugelhorn. Surprisingly good.

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Bill M

Subject: Anglicana

Peter V: The Move - for "Flowers In The Rain", "Cherry Blossom Clinic" and much more. Thought of them when "The Last Thing On My Mind" was played at the bluegrass jam here on Wednesday. Reminded me of the Move's magnificent version on their "Shazam" album, which I saw in a used-record store here yesterday for $50.

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Norm

Subject: Jed's health

Haven't heard from Jed in a while. Wonder if anyone has heard how he is?

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brown eyed girl

Charlie Y, Fred, Glenn... :-D

I "met" Ray P via Billy Bragg.

I nodded off during Coltrane's music "Dear Lord" and "Ole" last weekend while watching Alvin Ailey performances celebrating 60 years. However, I felt energized during Ella's number "Airmail Special". Of course the spiritual numbers during Revelations...never disappoints. My memory betrayed me during a previous post; Donny Hathaway's "A Song For You"...was not a part of this program but another Alvin Ailey show I had previously seen. This weekend I am going to challenge myself and experience the Opera Elektra. Next month will see Sting perform in The Last Ship. I have only seen Sting perform when I was at Oakville's Police outdoor concert in 1981 with Iggy Pop...fantastic..., Oingo Boingo not a fan so not memorable, The Specials...can't remember but I really like them...lol...Canadian openers I can't recall at all so looked them up. The Payola$ and Nash The Slash.

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Bill M

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Glenn

Happy Friday GB'ers! Been too busy to post for a while, but enjoyed reading discussions of recent weeks. Thank you all for contributing. Here's 5 of the most recent albums I've listened to.

Al Green: I'll Rise Again

Jefferson Airplane: Surrealistic Pillow

Rod Stewart: Every Picture Tells A Story

Gail Ann Dorsey: I Used To Be...

Linda Ronstadt: Live in Hollywood

Have a wonderful weekend!

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Peter V

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Fred

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Pat B

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Peter V

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Pat B

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Peter V

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Dunc

Subject: Up On Cripple Creek

I was at the football last night. It’s about a million miles away from Al’s football. A fine, crisp February night with 5 000 fans in the ground - 4 000 of us and 1 000 of them. Always a great atmosphere with their younger ones taunting ours and vice versa. Us Scots do passion (that’s a euphemism) like few other nations - the swearing, the shouting, the fall outs among friends, the arguments, the pies and the bovril. Many will have had a quick drink between work and kick off. A lot of noise. There are few other places I would rather be.

At half time, music is played on our great, huge sound system. I never listen because of the normal choice of music, but discuss the game. Then out of the blue I heard ‘When I get off of this mountain...’

A beautiful sound drifting across the dark evening sky. The first time I have ever heard The Band played at a football match. I stopped and listened....a brilliant song.

Then I had a horrible thought. Was this it? At a football match with the Band playing. I couldn’t ask for more. Where were the angels.? I saw a bright light in the sky. Was it them? But it was only a plane going into Glasgow Airport. Still here.

But I’ll need to seek out the other St Mirren Band fan.

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Peter V

XTC. Which song? Following my knee replacement last week, I have a problem. My CDs are in a floor to ceiling rack, and guess where XTC are, and I can’t kneel down. This is great for Mrs V, because I can't access Neil Young or Frank Zappa either. I could ask for assistance but what with having to make me constant cups of tea, I think I'll leave it.

I hate looking on YouTube. I first thought “Making Plans for Nigel” with Nigel off for a future working in British Steel (what happened to that?) which is by Colin Moulding, not as most of the choices, by Andy Partridge. The Mayor of Simpleton goes towards that Toytown Pysche area. Oranges and Lemons (say the bells of St Clemons) looks like the album. XTC fans … which is the most Anglicana XTC song? Do the Dukes of Stratosphear count?

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Peter V

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Peter V

XTC were mentioned by someone before and I forgot. They should be added but I'll have to think which one!

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Fred

I've been enjoying the discussion about Anglicana.

I wonder if any or all of the following songs would qualify:

Cricket - The Kinks

Have a Cuppa Tea - The Kinks

Senses Working Overtime - XTC

All You Pretty Girls - XTC

Love on a Farmboy's Wages - XTC

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Fred

Peter V: Highly unlikely that any Canadian 25 year old (in '87) knew of that show....too busy watching Miami Vice! : )

As the avid TV watcher that I was back then I never came across it, not even on TVOntario nor on the PBS station from Buffalo (the two channels were you could find the most British programmes).

Coronation Street and EastEnders were on TV back then, if I recall correctly.

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Peter V

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John D

Can't find anywhere why he moved to Stockholm of all places. He obviously loved it there. Stayed for the rest of his life.

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JQ

Yeah NWC, he was a great one. Dave Van Ronk has been referred to as the king of Greenwich Village but I think Izzy should hold that title; he was the main man and had the main place where so much of the place’s creativity eminated from.

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Bill M

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Izzy (again)

Izzy is talking about Dylan from early years in 'No Direction Home'. Probably you knew that already.

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Izzy Young

Izzy Young is dead. He ran his Folklore Centrum in the South of Stockholm Sweden. Many times I walked by this door but never knew who he was, an old man over 90 years. In the present years I searched a contact with Izzy . . . sort of. After all he arranged the first concerts with BOB DYLAN and JOAN BAEZ. I soon realized that this period in my life is now (more or less) over.

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Norm

Subject: Milk N Blues

Thanks Bill........but Hell! can that girl play the harp or what?

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Peter V

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Bill M

I'm continually adding. Just added:

I'll take Bill M's suggestion of Happy Jack for The Who.- like The Kinks it has that la-la-la chorus, and let's not be picky (The Isle of Man where Jack lives is not England).

Mention of Paul Nicholas, an actor with hit records, led me to remember Dennis Waterman's I Could Be So Good For You. It was a UK #3 hit in 1980.Waterman co-starred in Minder with George Cole, for which it was the theme song, and maybe the association helps as does the video. The brassy swagger gets it a place.

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Karl-Heinz

Subject: CD box Other peoples music

Hi, are there any news concerning this CD box?

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Bill M

Peter V: I don't agree with all of it, but your article is a terrific piece of work. Thanks! I'd put the Who's "Happy Jack" in there, no question. I'm glad you mention Bonzo Dog Band, as their "My Pink Half Of The Drainpipe" most certainly shares a wall with the Manfreds' "Semi-Detached Suburban Mister James". (The line "My pink half of the drainpipe keeps me safe from you" always lights up the dormant urban planner in me.)

You mention Rodney Crowell in your Americana article. A minor personal irony is that my favourite Cowell song is "The One About England", which I like to play right before Nick Lowe's "The Rose of England", Sparks's "England, and, when I had it, Clash's "This Is England".

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Bill M

Subject: Ayub Ogada RIP

Another magnificent voice very recently lost to us. I have just the one Real World album, but it's a perfect one.

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Bill M

As a favour to Norm, here's a link to the Milk & Blues video that he was gushing over.

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Pat B

This is an album we did with Kevin Coyne back in 2005. Took 15 hours to record in one session. He died while Jon Langford was mixing it.

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Dunc

Subject: Great article

Great article, Peter. Really caught my interest. First time I had heard of Anglicana.

Playing Marjory Razorblade just now. What a brilliant song ‘House On The Hill’ is. Saw Kevin Coyne in Dundee in front of hundreds with his band in the early seventies then about 1990 on his own in front of tens. Both times really good shows. Anglicana to the core.

Great illustrations.

Well done, Peter. It deserves a wider audience.

Thanks, Dag. Took me back.

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Peter V

Many thanks, Dag. I spent years looking for that which I remember seeing on broadcast. I always thought they had done a cartoon treatment of either King Harvest or Just Another Whistle Stop but after much searching it seems unlikely they did.

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Dag B.

Subject: The Old Grey Whistle Test 1973

"Promised Land" on the Whistle Test, November 27, 1973. The cartoon used is a Flip the Frog film called "The Village Smitty" from 1931.

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Norm

Subject: Milk & Blues

BIIILLLL! Some one has to put up this one video of these young folks from Brazil. You can't believe how good they are plus the sound they get plus the girls. They do on this one video Stones & Pink Floyd. "Miss you, Happiest Days of Our Lives & Another brick in the Wall"..........Damn

The room they are set up in is giving a super clear sound, the musicians are great the singing and harmonies perfect!

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Pat B

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Peter V

Subject: More Anglicana

The Anglicana article has been heavily revised and is 33% longer plus it has more illustration. Thanks for comments and of course it's still open to more … that's how all my Band song articles grew.

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Peter V

Subject: If I Was An Englishman

Link to a live version by Michael Marra.

It's a good point - it's hard to celebrate just "being English" and it's more likely that we celebrate being West Country, or Yorkshire or Geordie or Liverpudlian. It's a diverse lot to hold together, though that's why I'm seeking this "Anglicana" thing. I'm going to revise the article extensively based on suggestions.

Dunc, I guess it's the same in Scotland with Lowlands and Highlands having different cultural patterns, though since Sir Walter Scott I suppose a Highland template has been what outsiders see as "Scottish culture." Most tartans apparently were invented in the 1820s. I've been working with someone from the Western Isles (second time in my life) and native Gaelic speakers have a very different accent in English. It certainly runs into Ireland with the North first, then Dublin being very different to the West. It runs into Wales with South and North - my mother being from South Wales said that there was always antipathy from North Wales (often Welsh speaking) towards the South (whatever they say nowadays, basically English speaking for seven centuries).

But in spite of those internal differences, the world perceives Scottishness, Welshness and Irishness in a way they don't perceive "Englishness."

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Dunc

Subject: If I Were An Englishman (For Martin Carthy)

Thought that about the Melodeon, Peter.

I think the song 'If I Were An Englishman (For Martin Carthy)' written by the great, late Michael Marra is a really good example of Anglicana. Could somebody link it? I think it would be a great song for ordinary Englishmen to sing. I think Anglicana is about celebrating being English, having pride in being English.

This is from James Robertson's biography on Michael Marra.

'The story behind 'If I Were an Englishman' is also instructive in several ways

Michael Marra is speaking - 'At the time that the Scottish Parliament opened, I was in America. I was at a wedding in San Francisco, and one of the other guests was a great man, Martin Carthy, I'm sure some of you know his work, he's a wonderful fellow, Martin, and he's always encouraged me. And we were talking at the wedding about the fact that the Scottish Parliament had opened, and Martin had recently been awarded an MBE, so we were kind of teasing him, you know, and poking fun as you do when your pals get an MBE, we were saying things like well, you're a member of the British Empire, any chance of you slipping me some civil rights...stuff like that, generally we were having a laugh.

But Martin was talking about the fact that he reckoned English people were going to have a harder time celebrating being English than the rest of us do celebrating ourselves. He reckoned that Scots had a recognisable culture which they always employ and enjoy, and he didn't know if English people had that. And I was thinking about all the stuff I know, all the great things that have come out of England, because I enjoy touring there, I do it quite a lot, I play in hundreds of little towns and none of them remind me of the British Government. So I actually quite like it. So I had this idea for a song it's called 'If I was an Englishman'. I didn't actually write it that night because I found out to my surprise that I was unable to read or write. So I waited till the following day.'

The outcome is a song that celebrates England's radical tradition in politics and art:

If I was an Englishman I'd sing and dance and play

I'd dig out all the old ones and beseech you heed their say

Their vision of a better life in a land as bright as day

I'd do my William Morris dance and I'd be on my way.

It goes on to namecheck some of the Englishmen Michael most admired, including Thomas Paine, Stanley Spencer, Harold Pinter and Martin Carthy himself.

One verse, with typical Marra humour, places two unlikely heroes from common people way above their social superiors:

If I was an Englishman I'd raise my voice and sing

I'd enter in the House of Lords and make the rafters ring

I'd sing of all those noblemen of cabbages and kings

I'd do my Arthur Mullard dance and turf them in the bin

I's do my Norman Wisdom dance and turf them in the bin

This great song is a must for an Englishman. Roger, Peter and Al you need to learn it. It's a song for singing at Christenings, Marriages and Wakes of Englishmen.

I think the song like other Anglicana songs is an understated celebration of English life and culture. And the great Michael Marra writes it in English music, using an Englishman playing the clarinet beautifully for example.

P.S.Eliza Carthy has recorded 'Monkey Hair' by Michael Marra and performs it regularly...in an English way. Michael said it was the favourite song he wrote.

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Wallsend

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Peter V

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Peter v

On a happier Canadian link, it appears Canada’s Sunrise chain is bidding for HMV Uk, and is the choice of the record labels instead of the dreaded asset stripper opposition, I..e. They plan to sell records. But then I read that in The Sunday Times, so it’s unreliable. Last week, my local HMV said that as last crisis, they were not receiving any new releases.

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Wallsend

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Charlie Y

Subject: Dustbowl Revival & Hot Club of Cowtown at Wolf Trap

I caught the matinee of the only East Coast appearance of the current Band-related tour by Dustbowl Revival and Hot Club of Cowtown at the Barns of Wolf Trap here in Virginia this afternoon. The concert was billed as part of a 50th anniversary tribute to The Band (loosely a tribute to the first two albums and first tour), but both groups mixed in their own songs as well. It was great two and a half hours of music which included all of the songs from the 7-track EP just released by Hot Club of Cow Town: "Look Out, Cleveland," "I Shall Be Released," "This Wheel's On Fire," "Long Black Veil," "When You Awake," Evangeline" (which they apologized for playing since it was a later song) and "Across the Great Divide." Highlights included "The Weight" and "Rag, Mama, Rag" which included both bands onstage. I particularly was impressed by the way Dustbowl Revival violinist Connor Vance mimiced Garth Hudson organ riffs with his instrument. After the show he walked up behind me and saw my Garth Hudson shirt, saying "I have to get one of those!" How nice to hear that from a kid young enough to be my son. The music lives.

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JQ

What about the English mama boy’s groups like New Order, Blur, Oasis, etc? I don’t think we had groups parallel to those? Somebody mentioned 70’s Pub Rock; I think those fit the Anglicana thing pretty well.

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Pat B

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Dunc

A lot of interesting posts in the GB.

I think the term Americana is used across this side of the pond as it lets the audience know what type of artist they are going to see. For example you can come from Ireland and belong to the Americana genre. My favourite singer songwriter is the late Michael Marra, who would always say ‘Don’t call me a folksinger.’

Our big Glasgow music festival loosely categorises music into Americana, Folk, World, Indie, Jazz and Soul, Traditional, Fusion and Gaelic. A big part of the festival is people who would not normally play together playing together.

But you have to be careful pigeon holing. I think The Band’s music reflects jazz/soul influences - Ophelia, Don’t Do It, Rag Mama Rag. This week I wanted to buy the Holland Dozier Holland story. Great music. It has The Band’s Don’t Do It on it amongst bands you would think of as soul. I desisted because of the price it has jumped to on Amazon. But the Band is a really soulful band.

But there is a case for Anglicana. Firstly it is a celebration of English music. It is saying there is music that is exclusively English. The terms Scottish and Irish are used frequently and nobody gives it a second thought.

It also helps make clear to my friends in the USA that England is not Britain or the United Kingdom. A Scottish crowd gets pissed off when the artist says ‘Hello Glasgow. It’s nice to be back in England again.’ I think it’s good that English people can celebrate their music as distinct music, the way that the much smaller countries of Scotland or Ireland can. It is not British, it is English.

Wales is more difficult. And thinking about this, I think a great Anglicana album is written by a Welshman.

I think the other home nations can sneer if England shows pride in anything English from art to football. Simply because they are the biggest nation.

I think Penguin Eggs is a shining example of Anglicana, Norman. I didn’t know about the impact of this album. I think one of the important reasons it is clearly Anglicana is the brilliant recorders work on the album. I see the recorder as an English instrument. The melodeon work is brilliant too, but is the melodeon English?

How am I doing Peter?

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Raincheck

John Q asked “Whereas The Beatles seemed to have been invented out of whole cloth; or did they come out of the Brit music hall stuff?“ The Beatles had so many influences that what they created did seem to be invented out of whole cloth. They started off doing straightforward stuff that fit a rock and roll band well. Lonnie Donnegon. Chuck Berry. Buddy Holly. Little Richard. A bunch of rockabilly cats like Carl Perkins and Gene Vincent and the like. But over time their set lists had a lot of soul (heavy on Arthur Alexander). Girl groups. Motown. George did novelty type numbers. Paul did standards. They did some 1920s/1930s stuff, rocked up. They may have been unique among their peers in covering an old Marlene Dietrich hit. They threw in current hits, sometimes done as send-ups if they didn’t like the song. Surviving set lists from around 1962 reveal a very eccentric stage act, more like the White Album than the the more polished Beatles people know. The early rock stuff they just learned from the record. The other stuff, with horns, and girl singers, and such, they had to take apart and re-arrange. Which is how they learned to write. And, yes, growing up they herald all the Music Hall and Bing Crosby and suc any other kid did (Paul’s dad had played piano in a band). The end result was, when they started doing their own stuff in 1963 (they weren’t really songwriters until they made records) it had so many ingredints in it, the influences were so varied, the result wasn’t really like anything else out there.

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