The Band Guestbook, February 2020
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Peter VThat's why someone called it Stephen Davis's novel. Note that he has sections where others, especially Rick, narrate. I reckon he did lots of interviews, transcribed and filled in. Bits come from the original Rolling Stone Ronnie Hawkins interview, I thought.
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WallsendLisa, I am sure that is the case. If you listen to the Fresh Air interview he did in 1993 he is no where near as bitter as what is in the book. His bitterness got worse as the years wore on. I am sure he was egged on in the 'feud' by people whose names should not be mentioned on this holy site.
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LisaPat, I may be way off in thinking this as I haven't read Levon's book in many years, but it never seemed to me that he'd written any of it. You could hear his voice in many of the anecdotes, which I assumed to be taken from taped interviews, but the rest always struck me as the author's take on everything. I also wondered if Levon had even read it after it was published, as there were a few things in there that, if I were him, I wouldn't want in print. In that interview, he seems surprised about the way the book turned out and the way he was portrayed. Surely, if he'd read it, he would have objected at the time? And I'm saying this with all due respect to Levon, not meaning it in any derogatory way at all.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Jakob Dylan - Love for Levon
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RodAgree that Larry Campbell was the spark behind the Dirt albums.
I remember reading a few magazine articals from 83 where LH had good things to say about RR. One was a drumming mag or book. Those were the days before the web and this site so Band news was few and far between.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
The Band's Garth Hudson Interview
The Band's Garth Hudson sat down to chat music, touring, songwriting and more.
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John DSubject: When did problems start
If you look in the pictures section of this site, you will find a pic that the late Paul Godfrey took. It's Levon driving a jeep with Albert Grossman sitting beside him. Ronnie Hawkins sitting on the hood and in the back, Levon's Father Diamond Helm and standing next to Levon's dad having a coffee, it's Robbie. This pic was taken at the record release party of the RCO All-Stars in '77. This shot would have been taken approx. 8 months after TLW. Things seemed hunky dory at that point.
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Pat BBen, can you find one quote from Levon prior to March of 1983 where he expresses the same disdain for RR as you find after March of 1983? I can assure you that you can't. Offhand I recall the Chicago Tribune article from February of 1983 where Levon talks a bit about RR doing good work in Hollywood movies. You think he was privately harboring all this ill will when he asked RR to play on his first album? Even Levon sometimes seemed to admit that his grousing was overblown. When Jubilation came out : "Well, in the book it certainly appears that way. In real life, it doesn't exactly pattern that. There was some friction years ago, but that's been years ago. But the book does keep harping in that direction, and comes off as me being a bitter man, and all I can think about every day is revenge, you know. I'm not ecstatic about it. I can live with most of it, but I thought it would be a lot funnier and there'd be a lot less pissin' and moanin' and bitchin'." Doesn't sound like much of a Fued, does it?
If you prefer Milk Cow Boogie to Acadian Driftwood, so be it.
btw, have you ever really looked at the Band's schedule from 1983-86? I'd hardly call much of that touring. The only extensive roadwork went from mid October to the end of November in 1983, about 7 weeks with a 1 week break and a 5 day break.
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Dave HThanks, Dag. After reading that interview, I'm picturing Garth listening to the Clash and Gang of Four! What a fascinating guy he is...
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Peter VWeb: My link
Subject: 'Barbarella psychedella …'
Off the subject, but I know there are film buffs who look at these. My "60s films revisited" series of reviews continues with Barbarella directed by Roger Vadim, starring Jane Fonda. This one gets better every time I see it too.
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Bill MSubject: typing is easy
I've read several interviews from the '80s in which Levon says laudatory things about Robbie. I don't have a scrapbook that I can pull them out of, but I can assure you that they exist.
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Dag B.Web: My link
Subject: Garth interview
Sydney Morning Herald, 1988.
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Peter VThe 90s Band virtually always did both Ophelia and It Makes No Difference from NLSC.
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BenLocation: New Jersey
Pat, Do you have some specific examples of Levon praising Robbie and the Last waltz in the years you refer to? I don't recall seeing anything of this nature.
The fact that the Band played several songs from NL-SC on the 1976 tour was not surprising. On the 1971 tour, the Band played a number of songs from Cahoots. In the 90's, the Band performed a number of songs from Jericho and High on the Hog. This is a standard practice to feature songs from your current album. I think it's significant that after the 1971 and 1976 tours ended, many of the songs from Cahoots and NL-SC were dropped from their set list. The core of the Band's set in the 70's, 80's and 90's were songs from the first three albums.
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Peter VMaybe Levon needed a catalyst to produce his best work … Robbie in The Band, then Larry Campbell & Amy Helm for the "Dirt Farmer" albums … which are superb. When he was in the "boss" role the output could be mediocre.
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WallsendAgreed, Rod, but would Levon have produced those albums without Larry Campbell's input?
Do we know when Levon made his first public criticism of Robbie?
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Pat BSo I'll repeat: Levon had nothing but nice things to say about RR until 1983. Find one quote from Levon between 1976 and 1983 where he complains about songwriting or TLW. Just one.
Right. In 1976 they added Ring Your Bell, Forbidden Fruit, IMND, Acadian Driftwood, Ophelia, and Twilight, and they resurrected In A Station and Tears of Rage. Yeah, right. Any Band fan would be thrilled to hear Java Blues, Milk Cow Boogie, and Willie & The Hand Jive instead of those turkeys. Sure.
Brian Wilson "left" the Beach Boys for about 1 album--Holland. The Byrds had about 8 songwriters on every album. They relied on outside writers for probably half their material. Losing Gene Clark barely dented their output.
Anyone who reads Richard's final interviews knows he did not like what was going on. His frustrations were painful to behold, and his pain was awful to witness. And, at the end, he let everyone know.
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RodAgree Wallsend. Robbie had higher ambitions at the time but at the end of the day it was Levon who got the higher artistic recognition thanks to the "Dirt" albums. I don't think Sinematic will be viewed the same way.
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WallsendJust based on material that is the public domain, I got the impression that Levon was happy with the way things were with the reformed Band. He didn't seem particularly ambitious. That isn't a criticism but it may be another reason he parted ways with Robbie. He was happy playing the Lone Star Cafe and Robbie wasn't.
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Bill MPeter V: Ben might be right about Gene Clark too. McGuinn was utterly irreplaceable for his voice, but perhaps not for his songs.
Brian Wilson's reduced participation in the Beach Boys, even when they were huge, got me thinking. I remembered Glenn Campbell that often filled in for Brian on tour - including in Toronto in the mid-'60, and then it struck me that he could have filled in for Robbie too. Maybe public pressure would have forced this new Band lineup to add "Rhinestone Cowboy" to the setlist, but I could have absented myself from the room temporarily.
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RodRobbie was probably more than just the main song writer. I suspect he was the visionary, the band leader, the guy who thought about the arrangements and supplied alot of the energy. For example, I love the version of Java Blues where Robbie plays lead. That has some real edge to it. The later "Band" versions without him sound flat and predictable. He also seemed keen to work with the other Band guys - Between Trains, The Best of Every Thing, Raging Bull and his first two solo albums. The story behind that could be interesting.
Beautiful Noise is a great album. Way more interesting arrangements than on anything else ND has done (though the Rick Reubin one is OK). I just wish RR had sent the string players home. (Management probably said no).
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Peter VBen – I’ll give you Richard Thompson & Fairport. Good call. Gene Clark? I always think of Roger McGuinn as the central writer. Brian Wilson? Brian Wilson is the real thing. The Beach Boys without are not. They soldiered on, but he continued to assist in the studio and writing. Live gigs, yes, he was replaceable - the Band could have done well by keeping on with Robbie for writing and studio and touring with Jim Weider!
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Not Dark YetThe anger of many of Levon followers, their unwillingness to look at facts that contradict their view - is easier to understand in the populist climate that’s taken root, sad to say. Robbie has finally put his perspective out there, but people tend to believe Levon's co-written book as scripture now - and take it on faith. I loved Levon too, but never experienced any of this bitterness. Saw him rarely after the move back to Woodstock, so can't offer more about how it got started. Too bad the two of them didn't meet and bury the hatchet, before Levon was dying and already unconscious. People who see the film will get a more real sense of Robbie's heart and mind - and may understand Levon more deeply too. Not a simple story, and many of us care about them all. Dominique's voice adds a lot - wish Libby Titus had been part of it too, as well as Garth, of course. Hopefully his story is still to come - so much in that deep well!
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Dave HThanks, Bill. One impression that I got from Dag's wonderful clippings compilations is that Levon and Rick really had high hopes for their post-Last Waltz solo projects. At the time, they were probably happy enough to have the opportunity to put the Band on hold and pursue their own careers. By '83, of course, those had fizzled and they were pulling the Band back together instead. But Levon was clearly not upset with Robbie in '76 the way he was later (he and Rick both had him play guitar on their first solo albums), and Rick, Garth, and Richard all maintained working relationships with Robbie even after the Band reformed.
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WallsendIn the Robbie quote Dag posted, he said it was probably a business decision. By 1983 the guys had probably started running out of money. Levon said they had to dump the Cate Brothers because it was costing too much money so I guess their tours weren't that profitable.
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Bill MBen's right that other people (major songwriters or not) have left bands in the past - and the others found reasons to keep the franchise alive. So why didn't the other four continue when Robbie hung up his rock n' roll skates? Building on Dave H's very good post, it was good business sense to stifle the urge until the TLW movie was out and had run its course. But was there anything stopping them from doing it sooner if they'd really wanted to?
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WallsendLevon liked to trash TLW but his Midnight Rambles fit nicely into the narrative created by the film. I don't think he would have had the success he had later in life without the fame generated by the movie. It is odd how Levon's fans keep up the tradition of trashing TLW but they keep watching it.
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Dave HI think Robbie, intentionally or not, did the other members of the Band a huge favor by *not* simply quitting the group after the '76 tour. The Last Waltz is a major contribution to the Band's legacy—how many people have discovered the Band's music over the years because of it?—and there would never have been such a famous, important film organized around the theme of "one member of a quintet is leaving the group in frustration" rather than "rock legends collectively say goodbye to life on the road." Robbie succeeded in constructing an entire myth around the Band as a way of landing the plane gently with everyone's reputation not only intact but glorified, when he easily could have gone to the press at the time and said "These guys are strung out and I just can't deal with it anymore." I don't see how would that have been better for anyone, Levon included.
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BenLocation: New Jersey
Peter, Their are other cases of significant songwriters leavings bands that continued on in their absence. I'm thinking of Brian Wilson leaving the Beach Boys, Gene Clark leaving the Byrds, Richard Thompson leaving Fairport Convention.
It's interesting that you mention the Band playing some DFA songs in Japan. I have a copy of the concert you're referring to. I'm pretty sure that the reason they added some extra songs to their set was that their contract in Japan was to play for two hours, while their standard set was around 90 minutes.
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Joe FreySubject: Post RR Band albums
This thread got me thinking about the post RR Band albums. When they first came out, I gave them a number of spins but didn't pull them off the shelf that much. It wasn't until about 2017 (!) that I really began to appreciate them and how much enjoyment I got in listening to them. I am not comparing them to the original Band records, I am just saying that they are still fun to listen to. The guys still knew how to make records. joe
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NorthWestCoasterLocation: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.
Subject: Mood music
Norm J said it right. - For me the peaceful female Celtic music in the night is the right music. Dylan's 'Self Portrait' is right for the month of June, 'New Morning' is for September and 'John Wesley Harding' is for November.
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Peter VLate night before going to sleep, it'll be Max Richter, Weather Report (the mellower selections)or Natalie Merchant.
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Norm JLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: Mood music
Songs for different times of the day or night, different weather or actions in a persons life are not strange in any way. Hence the tag "Mood music". Music for any occasion. Bring you up or mellow you out.
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Peter VThere aren’t many cases of bands losing the main songwriter and continuing successfully. I guess Genesis after losing Peter Gabriel, but they had other active writers. Active being the point. Among Tamla Motown acts losing a major lead singer and continuing was normal … The Four Tops, The Temptations. But you can’t imagine The Beatles without Lennon & McCartney, the Stones without Jagger & Richards, The Who without Townsend, The Kinks without Ray Davies. The Who is a good example because Pete was the songwriter but NOT the lead singer.
It was logical to do solo stuff in 1983, but they chose the easiest generic stuff … Java Blues not Small Town Talk, then Milk Cow Boogie, Caldonia and Willie and The Hand Jive. One More Shot was a great choice … but then why not the fine tracks from “American Son”. If Levon wanted to show his collaborative credentials, why not Strawberry Wine or Jemima Surrender? Going into the 90s they did some of the excellent DFA songs from Rick in a Toronto broadcast and in Japan, then stopped doing them … Driftin’ Away and Blue River. That’s one I don’t understand, and I believe as someone said years ago, it was Levon’s “fear of a main songwriter” – Rick taking Robbie’s role. But really, in 1983 going back out after 5 years (since the film) or 7 years since the concert, anyone else would have gone out with a new album.
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John DSubject: Joe
Funny you mentioned Sunday's. In the sixties to middle 70's I always enjoyed listening to Dylan on a rainy Sunday morning. Just seemed like the right mood. Another thing. Once in a while I would listen to a song or album very late at night. I thought it was amazing. Tried to listen to the same album during daylight hours. Not so much for some reason.
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John DSubject: Dry Your Eyes
I always enjoyed that song.
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Joe FreySubject: Beautiful Noise
Peter, I agree that this is a very good album which I still listen to on a regular basis (mostly on Sundays - not sure why, it just feels right).
I have the 90s CD of BN and I see it was re-released in 2014 but no mention of remastering. If any one has the 2014 CD can you let me know if it has been remastered? joe
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BenLocation: New Jersey
Peter, You make some good points. However, I disagree with the conventional wisdom that Levon's book published in 1992 or 93 caused the rift in Band fandom. I think the fundamental rift was that Robbie didn't want to tour anymore in 1976, while Levon and Rick did. How do you bridge that divide? One obvious solution would have been for Robbie to simply step away and allow the others to continue on as The Band if they wished. Robbie didn't do that, he put his thumb on the scale with his ruminations about the evils and danger of the road.
Musicians join and leave bands. Lineups change over time. Has there ever been a case in any way analogous to the last waltz? I don't think so. Remember, these guys were in their mid thirties during this period. There is a long show business history of performers doing farewell tours and then returning to the stage a few years later. Sinatra, Bowie, The Who, The Eagles and many others.
Now, regarding the setlist of the reformed Band. Well, I don't really have an issue it. They performed the Band standards with the exception of 'Dixie' and added 'Java Blues' from Rick's album, 'Milk Cow boogie' and 'Willie and the hand jive' from Levon's albums, 'One More shot' from the Legend of Jesse James album that Levon contributed to and some other covers. It seemed like a logical setlist. It's not as if the Band had been playing deep album cuts and obscurities on the '76 tour. They played their standards and several tracks from Northern Lights-Southern Cross.
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NorthWestCoasterLocation: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.
Subject: The Thread
On the serious side. - I follow this thread with never-ending passion. I follow same threads in the world of literature, fashion, cars, politics, computer science (Linux). It is the same old story but the story of The Band is more heart-breaking and sad than any of these others. Happily, I have not listened to Band related music for years. I have distance. My music is Appalachian rural folk music and Celtic music. There are many pretty girls playing banjo nowadays! The Petersen Family for instance. (Their video from my wife's neck of woods in Finland is really funny.)
This gb has the best writers in the whole internet. That is why I keep reading. Good to see old friends!
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Peter VI've always defended 'Dry Your Eyes.' And I think Beautiful Noise is a great album.
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Peter VGood to see old friends back.
We’ve done this so many times. The balance changed irrevocably when Levon left in 1965, staying away for virtually two years. I suspect the grudge started simmering once the surprise and joy of the first two albums subsided, probably even by Stage Fright with different arguments on production. The leadership had shifted. But it was a low background burn, and blew up when Robbie didn’t want to play in 1983, by which time finances were beginning to show a gap too.
I loved Bill’s comment
life would have been long, dismal driving tours of small halls and big bars around the US and Canada. They would eventually have gotten to meet all of us between sets in those places, but the joy of that would have gone only so far.
However, probably not. If Robbie had come on board in 1983 they would have done a new album to release with the tour (as they should have), they wouldn’t have been ploughing through Caldonia and Java Blues and Willie and The Hand Jive with the Cate Brothers. With a bit of an updated sound and enthusiasm, they might not have been confined to bars, as we can note that it wasn’t all Michael Jackson and Toto in 1983 … Bruce Springsteen was doing fine. The downside is Levon might have been pissed off about the shift of style on a couple of the new tracks
I was discussing this elsewhere yesterday. I strongly suspect they had another chance around Storyville, where rumour was that Geffen wanted it to be a Band album, Rick and Garth apparently up for it, but not Levon. No doubt Robbie may reveal more in his autobiography- part two.
On the other hand, bad management decisions go a long way back. Right back to declining to be on the Woodstock album and film. So in 1974, they do the biggest US tour ever at that point with Dylan, height of their fame, but don’t release an album of new material, then go off as SUPPORT act to CSNY. In the 90s, one had to think ‘Why are they playing these venues?’ Let’s take Cambridge UK. I knew because Lee G phoned me and told me, but press coverage in advance was minimal. To cap it all, after that UK tour and a brief Rick Danko visit, I spoke to UK club promoters and the most damning phrase of all when The Band were mentioned, "Word is out. They are unreliable."
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WallsendWelcome back BEG, you have been missed. Sorry to hear about your lose.
I just came across a clip of Dry Your Eyes from TLW on Youtube. There are hundreds of comments from Neil fans saying what a great performance it is. A bit different to the negativity you get from most Band fans.
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Bill MBEG: Nice to see you posting again. Condolences on the loss of your friend.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Won't you raise
After catching up in the GB...I needed some time to mourn the passing of Calm.....Hold Back The Dawn by Robbie Robertson and Rick Danko. She told me that this song had comforted her the most. Robbie was Calm's grade 10 typing and Math classmate. They attended a high school in another posters' hood in Scarborough RH King Academy. We visited their school after The Hockey Hall Of Fame and The Hard Rock Cafe to check out The Band/Dylan memorabilia. We also hung out at my home...Thank you for the time we shared together...with your partner and grandchildren as well. You were one of the most generous souls.
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WallsendThere is a short but fairly positive review of OWB on NPR.
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RodGreat joke Norm.
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Once Were Brothers Video
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brown eyed girlWeb: My link
Nomadic Mike... :-D
I posted this before...It was in 1993 during the promotion of TWOF when Levon was asked if there was anything to reconcile with Robbie....
18:30 NOVEMBER 16, 1993 Musician Levon Helm. Fresh Air Interview with Terry Gross and Levon Helm.
"Drummer and lead vocalist for the rock group The Band, Levon Helm. Helm's Arkansas roots gave the Canadian group an American folk sound. In the 1960's The Band, got it's start backing Bob Dylan. They went on their own in 1968 with "Music From Big Pink." The Band is back with a new album, "Jericho," and a tour. Helm's written a book about The Band called "This Wheel's On Fire" (Morrow)."
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Norm JLocation: Pacific Northwest
On a totally unrelated subject I just have to say this. A couple days ago I was reading news on my computer here. There was an article about Trump. I forget what it was all about because........on the comments some guy said. Trump went to a phsycic....(that isn't right) the other day and wanted to know about his future. She pondered and said to him, "I see many people in New York, thousands of people all smiling and cheering. Your wife is there smiling more than any one". Trump says, "That's all fine but how does my hair look?" She says, "I cannot say, it is a closed casket.".............
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WallsendAt the time Levon's book was published Robbie said he had spoken to Levon on the phone a couple of weeks earlier and he hadn't mentioned he was writing a book and hadn't raised any of the issues regarding song-writing etc that came up in the book with him. So at least at that stage they must have still been on speaking terms.
Entered at Fri Feb 28 02:40:42 CET 2020 from toroon0812w-lp130-03-65-92-194-255.dsl.bell.ca (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Bill MI think Robbie made the right call in '83, not because of the others but because of public taste. The broader public had little interest in their kind of music in the early and middle '80s, so life would have been long, dismal driving tours of small halls and big bars around the US and Canada. They would eventually have gotten to meet all of us between sets in those places, but the joy of that would have gone only so far.
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BenLocation: New Jersey
Pat, I don't think it's accurate to claim that Levon's book was the beginning of the rift when their differences were on full display in the last waltz. Remember the last waltz was Robbie's baby. Robbie was an executive producer of the movie. For chrisakes, he was living with Scorses during post-production. The movie was his project, not Levon, Rick, Garth or Richards. So, I think it's quite significant that his comments about the road were completely contradicted by Levon and Rick's actions.
Dag, I've read several interviews from the 80's in which Robbie made disparaging comments about the reformed Band. I don't have a scrapbook of them that I can pull out and quote, but I can assure you that they exist.
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Norm JLocation: Pacific Northwest
Subject: More Review
My apologies Pat. You are right. I hadn't read enough back aways to make an informed evaluation. As soon as you read a statement that hasn't changed you need to read more to see what it is.
Entered at Fri Feb 28 01:16:40 CET 2020 from 108-88-109-12.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Pat BNorm, I think the release of OWB makes this discussion relevant.
Entered at Fri Feb 28 01:14:02 CET 2020 from (2600:1702:4580:5e80:5806:597:7dac:2e31)Posted by:
Pat BBen, sorry but there is absolutely no contemporary account in the late 70's or early 80's that positions TLW as the beginning of the Fued. Levon spoke well of RR right up to 1983 and didn't start claiming bad blood until the group reformed. It was only in retrospect that Levon viewed TLW negatively. btw, other things came to a head in 1983 that impacted Levon.
Entered at Fri Feb 28 00:32:09 CET 2020 from inetgate.msd.govt.nz (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
RodI'm at work ....... so should really be working instead of pondering what went wrong with The Band. But it is more interesting than work.
Entered at Thu Feb 27 23:12:28 CET 2020 from n1-42-183-60.mas1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
WallsendI guess I am one of the worst offenders when it comes rehashing all this shit so apologies. Contrary to what you might imagine, I have quite a productive life outside of this site.
Entered at Thu Feb 27 23:06:50 CET 2020 from inetgate.msd.govt.nz (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
RodTo make it big in the music industry you probably need a big ego (eg arrogrant) and it would help to be thick skinned. I don't like the title of this movie and and I didn't like the song as both have negative connotations. I am looking forward to seeing it though and reading the new LH and RR books (if the 2nd is actually released). That book could well be the final statement on why The Band broke up.
I don't think Albert Grossman had any impact on the demise of The Band. He was well out of the picture by then. For all his supposed faults Richard seem to rely on him quiet heavily. I'm not sure that their subsequent managers did alot for them.
I know some people don't like this thread but it does keep people talking.
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Norm JLocation: Pacific Northwest
I haven't looked in this place for gawd knows how long. Have we gone back in time here? Is every one so bored they want to rehash the last 20 years.
Jed said it best by far, although Pat Brennan's sensible comments as well as a few others have that feel good.
Reminds me of when my son who has played music with me forever came to my house one day, years ago. He took my book "This Wheels on Fire" (that Steve Heggison mailed to me all those years ago). When he brought it back he just threw it on a table and said, I wish I never read it.
Now here's this kid Ben from New Jersey again bashing Robbie. "Robbie said some detrimental things" doesn't say what they were or offer any back up as Dag has just done. Just fan the flames. More bull shit to try and justify Levon Helm's case.
Impossible just to enjoy the music and respect the five guys who put it together. Just a waste of time.................gone.
Entered at Thu Feb 27 21:15:23 CET 2020 from 178.80-203-82.nextgentel.com (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Dag B.Web: My link
Subject: The Rumor
"What can I say? .. Robertson said. "I could take a position of, 'Hey. this is wrong. fellas. What you're doing is sacrilegious.' But, you know, why? "I think it's probably a business decision, not an artistic one." Robertson continued. "But hell. you can't knock that. "You know, 16 years is a long relationship. For a lot of things I couldn't turn those guys down ... but I'd feel like a fool doing it. I'd feel stupid. Besides, I don't want to. I don't feel one bit different from the day I sat down and said, 'That's it for me."
How does Robertson feel about being "replaced"? "The members of the Band aren't replaceable ... he replied flatly. "I could think of some interesting guitarists - Steve Cropper or Roy Buchanan. But frankly, I don't think anybody gives a damn about a mystery guitarist. "But I'm sure the guys have good reasons. And the bottom line is that they make real good music together."
Los Angeles Times, February 27, 1983
Link: Rick & Richard: The Rumor, live 1985
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WallsendThe sad thing is, Robbie was right. Richard did die on the road. I can understand people loving Levon, he was a charismatic guy. Robbie loved him. Even after all the mean things Levon said, Robbie went to see him when he was dying. However, because the well has been poisoned, it does not seem possible for fans to love Levon without hating Robbie.
Entered at Thu Feb 27 20:23:27 CET 2020 from (2601:8d:8600:7610:59aa:8c9b:b0a5:ab2a)Posted by:
BenLocation: New Jersey
I haven't posted here for a long time. But I feel the need to jump in as I have a different perspective on the feud than what I've bean reading here. It certainly didn't start with Levon's book. It goes back squarely to the Last Waltz.
Robbie made some very self serving comments in the movie about the road being an impossible way of life, the numbers not adding up anymore, and all of the musicians who died on the road including Elvis (who died in his bathroom, the day before he was about to go out on tour). Elvis died in August, 1977. Both Rick and Levon recorded albums in this period (which Robbie played on) and both Rick and Levon began touring again in this period, prior to the release of the last waltz. So, Robbie's rationale for the last waltz was contradicted by Levon and Rick's actions.
I also want to point out that Robbie made a series of derogatory comments when the Band reformed in 1983. He certainly was not gracious about it at the time.
One of the reasons that a lot of fans (outside of this forum) take Levon's side in the feud is that so many of them were able to see him perform in the 30 plus years he was active after the last waltz. I think it's a natural occurrence that many fans developed a closer bond with him after seeing him perform. Robbie lost that bond with fans by retiring from the road.
Entered at Thu Feb 27 20:02:41 CET 2020 from 184.108.40.206.vultr.com (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
LucasSubject: I know it's only rock 'n' roll but I like it
It's sad that The Band who made great music and Influenced so many other musicians are in grave danger by some for being known more for the way it all went wrong rather than the way it went so right! I will always put the music on and think about the wonderful sounds these guy's created together over any of the BS and gossip that has come up over the years.
Now when the rumor comes to your town
It grows and grows, where it started, no one knows
Some of your neighbors will invite it right in
Maybe it's a lie
Even if it's a sin
They'll repeat the rumor again
Entered at Thu Feb 27 17:47:25 CET 2020 from (2600:1017:b808:e06b:c876:dff:91f4:d579)Posted by:
JedEnough. Outta me. This is a bad topic since I’ve ended up saying bad things about Levon and RR,two guys I deeply admire and respect. RR is arrogant,Levon did wrong by RR and I am probably a way worse human being than either of them. I am glad I shared my opinion but sad that I participated in all this negativity. I know-sounds contradictory-and it is. Gotta live with that.
Entered at Thu Feb 27 17:41:24 CET 2020 from (2600:1017:b808:e06b:c876:dff:91f4:d579)Posted by:
JedAs a shrink who specializes in addiction I found it interesting how RR buys into the addiction as brain disease camp. There has been little to no evidence that brain disease theory is true. Certainly they have tried but failed to date. We have way more effective treatments today but our understanding of the concept of addiction really hasn’t been advanced all that much. After about 45 years of doing this,in many ways,I understand less today than when I started. Yet RR seems pretty certain about something that he happens to be wrong about. Facts,data,and science count for something albeit not everything.
Entered at Thu Feb 27 16:19:43 CET 2020 from toroon0812w-lp130-03-65-92-194-255.dsl.bell.ca (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Bill MJoe F: Re Grossman, maybe it was Barney Hoskyns' book on Woodstock gossip that you're thinking of as the source. I've never thought he was all that significant in the Band's career post MFBP.
Entered at Thu Feb 27 15:24:54 CET 2020 from (2604:6000:e909:6c00:690c:e32e:f7dc:ea17)Posted by:
Joe FreyLocation: Saratoga Springs, NY
Subject: Once Were Brothers
This thread is rather depressing from my point of view. I haven't seen the movie but I gather that drugs are featured prominently as them main factor for the fallout.
I do remember reading somewhere that Albert Grossman was a big influence on RR which may have contributed to the split. I don't know if that was mentioned in the movie.
One interesting tidbit that I have found over the last year or so was RR's statement that he was directing the guys in the Last Waltz and he viewed that as a big responsibility. I think I read that in one of the articles when OWB was being promoted.
That may be true but in John Simon's book (pages 242-3) you get a different perspective.
Oh well, the only real cure for these blues is to listen to the music, which I will after I send this. joe
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JedSubject: Once we were brothers
Saw the film last night. Well,I don’t change my opinion that Robbie wrote the songs and Levon brough hate on RR with his written words. But this movie was,in a way,rubbing Levon’s face in it. The section where he had others speak of his leadership was gross.BTW,Is cocaine addiction “better” than heroin addiction? There was a theme of attempting to respond to Levon and his friends and fans underlying the entire movie. Very different than Testimony where the response to Levon was but a part of the book not all of it. Robbie does come across as an arrogant guy even when he’s right. Nonetheless I still love each one of these guys for the music they gave us. All this movie proves is that while Levon was an imperfect human being so was Robbie. No big news there since the labels of imperfection and arrogance probably applies to all of us.
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Dag B.Subject: Joel Selvin, 2 and a half out of 5 stars
A bit of a smart ass, which is also the title of his book. Not as high up on my Nixon-like enemy list as Dave Marsh, Clinton Heylin or anyone who's ever typed for allmusic.
Entered at Thu Feb 27 13:25:48 CET 2020 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
Peter VIt's hard to think of a major artist in any of the media who eschewed self-promotion, even if some used subtle ways and appeared not to self-promote (by exclaiming loudly what a bad thing it was, and how they, personally, didn't do it).
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b.leeSubject: Learning from the Masters
So, Robbie is adept at self-promotion, eh? Let's see, grew up on Ronnie's coattail, toured and kibitzed with Bob, fell down the Hollywood rabbit hole with Marty. At least he comes by it honestly.
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NorthWestCoasterLocation: Greater Copenhagen. Probably.
Someone mentioned TLW. - What a pain it was to sit in a movie theatre back in ... eerrr ... seventies. The film was superb, of course, but the lady sitting in front of me was not. (Thank God, she is not posting here.) She had all kinds of dirty comments. During that sweet 'Evangeline' she said out loud: "She is their w...e." For the change I don't mean the word 'whiske', sorry for eventual misspelling.
Entered at Thu Feb 27 09:12:25 CET 2020 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
Peter VIsn't Robbie writing a second volume dealing with the 42 solo years … i.e. most of his life. That would be the place to hear about the effect of the combination of coke and watching heavy art house movies.
Thanks Pat for posting the Joel Selvin. From memory, isn't he usually negative on Robbie?
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JQSubject: JRR’s cocaine
When Robbie was talking about heroin and its toll did he mention his own decent into a cocaine madhouse?
Entered at Thu Feb 27 06:41:07 CET 2020 from n1-42-183-60.mas1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
WallsendThat review does not make too much sense to me. The writer seems unhappy that Robbie is telling the story from his own perspective but from what other perspective can one narrate an autobiography? Isn't that the whole point?
Entered at Thu Feb 27 05:59:13 CET 2020 from (2600:1702:4580:5e80:1005:2911:23c9:c894)Posted by:
Pat BLocation: SF Review of OWB by Joel Selvin
Survivors get to tell the history, but Robbie Robertson is pushing it.
The guitarist does not come off as a wholly reliable narrator in his cinematic account of the illustrious career of the Band, “Once Were Brothers: Robbie Robertson and the Band,” the star-studded documentary that opens in theaters Friday, Feb. 28.
Told specifically from Robertson’s point of view, while he sits throne-like in the middle of a room, he even handles explaining the points of view of other people who might have held dissenting or, at least, differing views.
To support his own perspective, Robertson enlists his charming wife.
This beautifully produced, big-budget rockumentary, more than capably directed by Daniel Roher, is the latest effort to cultivate and maintain the legacy of the Band by Robertson, who long ago bought out the other members (predictably, Levon Helm was the lone holdout). The only other living member of the group, keyboardist Garth Hudson, is not interviewed.
Robertson has a gift for romanticizing his own hero’s journey, even if in the end, the film comes off as elaborate self-justification. He has a novelist’s unsparing eye for telling details and poignant moments, like playing “The Weight” for Bob Dylan the first time. “ ‘You wrote that?’ he said,” Robertson tells us. “I could see the pride in his eyes.”
“Inspired” by Robertson’s 2016 memoir “Testimony,” the film certainly has a story to tell. From backing Arkansas rock ‘n’ roll madman Ronnie Hawkins playing two-bit roadhouses across Canada to accompanying songwriter Bob Dylan at the peak of his career when he began playing electric rock music, these five musicians who became the Band were deeply schooled and primed to become a mythic force in rock. Their 1968 debut album, “Music From Big Pink,” hit like a comet, the handmade, clapboard sound contrasting sharply with the psychedelic electro-blues of the day.
Eric Clapton and Bruce Springsteen testify to the power of the debut record in the film. Dylan was not interviewed, although octogenarian Hawkins shines as an irascible old pirate.
At the heart of the Band’s music was a complex, tightly woven intersection of personalities and talents, a fluid collaboration among guitarist Robertson, drummer Levon Helm, bassist Rick Danko, and keyboardists Richard Manuel and Hudson, which Robertson claims in this movie was his “vision.” With Helm, Danko and Manuel gone and Hudson silent, Robertson picks up the story for them.
The public debut at San Francisco’s Winterland in 1969 is recalled with some humor, as Robertson, ill at the time with a 103-degree fever, was treated by a hypnotist to make it through the performance. But the whimsy quickly thins out as Robertson and his wife recount the long, slow, tortuous descent — by the other members — into a morass of drug and alcohol problems. Married with children while the others were not, they can’t help but paint themselves as the adults in the room.
“Robbie is a real artist,” Dominique Robertson says. “He is an amazing creative force.”
Of course, just exactly what those creative forces were responsible for creating was at the heart of the beef Helm had with Robertson, apparently to Helm’s dying day. Robertson recounts how he held an unconscious Helm’s dying hand in his hospital room and recalled their glorious youth, but he did not say Helm ever forgave him.
With Robertson, a little modesty would go a long way, but that is not his style. Robertson rests firmly in the center of his narrative, and the entire story revolves around him. He even takes responsibility for explaining why Helm was angry with him. The best he can summon in the way of independent support is guitarist Jimmy Vivino, who is cited as “a friend of Levon Helm.” “Families can go to the grave feuding,” Vivino says.
I don’t know for sure, but I suspect the ghost of Levon Helm pukes all over this movie.
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jhWeb: My link
Subject: SF Chronicle Review
Hm. The San Francisco Chronicle review of the OWB documentary, linked to above, is not available over here. Could we kindly ask some of our GB friends for a download/screendump?
Entered at Thu Feb 27 00:00:34 CET 2020 from (2605:8d80:6e0:c71b:cdc:2099:146c:6f8a)Posted by:
Bill MWallsend: In 1981 I thought the whole country of NZ was Paradise, but I really did get to the specfic Paradise. I remember it (perhaps incorrectly) as being on the road from Queenstown to the magnificent Mount Aspiring. A gorgeous early summer day (i.e., December), long before people had computers or cellphones, never mind drones. I don't recall if Paradise was more than a cattle station - and in those days, in that relatively remote area, even cattle stations made the map.
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WallsendAlso, you would need to pick your spot because a lot of it has been spoilt by tourism. I jokingly made the connection between The Band and Paradise but actually the first time I went to Paradise when I was about 12 or 13 had the same affect on me as when I heard The Weight in Easy Rider. It was a fairly rainy day and mist was covering the mountains but it was so stunning I will never forget it. Now it has all been spoilt by Lord of the Rings tourism and hikers flying f...ing drones.
Entered at Wed Feb 26 22:41:48 CET 2020 from inetgate.msd.govt.nz (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
RodWell said Jed.
Wallsend, I do live in Wellington but it's quite possible I will retire down south at some point. Except that's it getting so friggen expensive down there.
Entered at Wed Feb 26 19:26:37 CET 2020 from toroon0628w-lp140-04-76-71-7-98.dsl.bell.ca (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Kevin JSubject: Jed
Beautifully stated, Jed.
As to TLW, Wallsend….Ronnie Hawkins has a particularly funny story in OWB about arriving a week early for the LW show and some of the shenanigans the boys were up to.
Entered at Wed Feb 26 19:01:36 CET 2020 from n1-42-183-60.mas1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
WallsendI never really understood Levon's complaints about TLW. I guess Robbie got more screen time but I thought they all came across as being really cool, at least by 1970s standards when being completely wasted wasn't looked down on. They all got songs in which they were featured and Levon had some of the best lines. I guess there may have been some personal stuff behind it that we don't know about.
Entered at Wed Feb 26 18:59:14 CET 2020 from (2600:1017:b81d:3c04:f886:8b68:b0a9:2677)Posted by:
JedI should have added that despite all these issues that have unfortunately become overblown and public the music remains:and it is soulful,meaningful and continuously interesting. Best of all it evokes feelings of love and gratitude for every member of The Band.
Entered at Wed Feb 26 16:38:09 CET 2020 from pool-96-239-106-206.nycmny.fios.verizon.net (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
JedSo for many years,and particularly after Levon wrote his book,I was convinced that RR royally screwed over the other guys. As I’ve gotten older I began to realize just how wrong I was. Levon was wrong. He was a great musician and a great guy(I got to know him a bit during our Woodstock years)but he was not a songwriter. RR wrote the lyrics and the tunes and he arranged them with the other guys. A lot of bands do it that way and credit for songwriting goes to the songwriter,in this case RR. Some bands credit the group but that deal would be made up front. The problem is the book. Once you put it in writing and particularly if you are a beloved figure like Levon, words take on greater meaning than if they were spoken. They are permanent and can’t be erased. So Levon left behind the written word which provokes people who love him(like me) to emotionally blurt out their defense of Levon oftentimes in hurtful and offensive ways. Sadly love for Levon can get obsessive for some people and it has,for quite some time now,gotten out of hand. The hatred that people spew on Facebook,YouTube,etc. is plain batshit crazy. True Levon chilled as the years went on but you can’t retract what’s in writing so easily. And rejecting(RRHOF,Grammys,etc.),as Larry said,everything to do with his own accomplishments and legacy with The Band was indicative of the “blind spot”(Larry’s words) he had toward his past. That rejection ended up further reinforcing the words in Levon’s book. The best everyone here can do,as fans,is love their music. None of us were their close friends who really know or knew their most intimate thoughts and feelings. We can only react to interviews and books which tell a partial perception of the reality of the moment. A perceptual snapshot that has lasting impact.
Entered at Wed Feb 26 15:07:26 CET 2020 from toroon0628w-lp140-04-76-71-7-98.dsl.bell.ca (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Kevin JSubject: Paradise you say.....
Funny……because I watched “Once Were Brothers” at the Paradise Theatre on February 22 which is at the Bloor and Ossington area of Toronto – almost across the street from a legendary The Band location – now a music store called Long & Mcquade….and of course used to be The Concord Tavern….the late great JT’s father was an owner of the place.
Entered at Wed Feb 26 14:00:29 CET 2020 from (2605:8d80:6e0:a757:ccee:1f1c:8675:a479)Posted by:
Bill MAn interesting discussion of geobandology. I'd say that Richard was North Island, and the other Canadians South Island, but Levon was the Australian Outback.
Wallsend (and Rod): I've been to that particular Paradise, oddly enough.
Entered at Wed Feb 26 11:13:39 CET 2020 from n1-42-183-60.mas1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
WallsendNo, no, no, you misunderstand me. I some how formed the opinion, rightly or wrongly, that Rod lived in Wellington and I simply did not wish to make any colonialist claims on his part of the world.
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Peter VSubject: To freeze here in the South
This is complicated. I thought New Zealanders were following a South Island- Arkansas and North Island-Canada identification geographically. But it doesn't work climatically as I've just remembered they've placed their entire country upside down.
Entered at Wed Feb 26 09:33:31 CET 2020 from 82-69-47-175.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
Peter VYou’re right, Dag. I’m worried about Northonian responses.
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Dag B.Location: North Island?
The South Islandistas out out in full...
Entered at Wed Feb 26 02:57:09 CET 2020 from n1-43-219-148.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
WallsendYes, especially with Paradise just up the road.
Entered at Wed Feb 26 02:26:28 CET 2020 from inetgate.msd.govt.nz (18.104.22.168)Posted by:
Rod"magnificent, but challenging" was one description I found. Was a bit worried that the reference to the South Island was going to mean "one-eyed" :-)
Glenorchy is superb.
Entered at Wed Feb 26 00:57:34 CET 2020 from n1-43-219-148.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au (22.214.171.124)Posted by:
WallsendRod, I think I can narrow it down a bit further. The Rees-Dart River system perfectly encapsulates my view of The Band.
Entered at Tue Feb 25 23:44:40 CET 2020 from inetgate.msd.govt.nz (126.96.36.199)Posted by:
RodCan't fault the South Island - especially Otago.
Entered at Tue Feb 25 23:12:27 CET 2020 from n1-43-219-148.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au (188.8.131.52)Posted by:
WallsendBTW, if we are choosing countries to represent our views towards The Band, I choose New Zealand (more specifically, the South Island).
Entered at Tue Feb 25 21:52:29 CET 2020 from (184.108.40.206)Posted by:
Jon LynessLocation: NYC
Agreed, Rod. I guess I've been a bit sheltered as this board is the only one I've ever followed the Band on, and I think by and large it's been balanced and respectful, perhaps more so in recent years than in the 90s/00s. Very grateful that Jan provides this space for our community here.
For many years I've also followed a Beach Boys board, and FWIW the level of rancor there appears exponentially worse than anything I've ever seen in the Band universe. I think if nothing else everyone here can bond over our shared love of the Big Pink and Brown albums. At times it seems like the divergent Brian Wilson/Mike Love fanbases can barely coexist at all.
Entered at Tue Feb 25 21:00:35 CET 2020 from inetgate.msd.govt.nz (220.127.116.11)Posted by:
RodThe thing I like most about this site is that there is intelligent discussion about The Band - warts and all. Some of the FB pages can get overly sentimental or hateful as mentioned earlier. Now and again some great photo or piece of information shows ups that I haven't seen before.
The Wilco FB page is interesting. I think it's official. There is quite a bit of criticism there of the groups recent albums (largely justified IMHO). I'm always surprised how tolerant they are off the criticisms. There's nothing personal though.
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WallsendOn Facebook there are two related 'fan sites' run by the same people. One is a Levon Helm Fan group which has a statement saying people should not post abuse. Despite this, lots of anti-Robbie hate is posted there. The other is a fan group for 'The Band' in general. Lots of anti-Robbie hate is also posted there. The moderators (who also run the Levon Helm Fan group) say that people can post anything they want because it is not their job as moderators to inhibit free speech. Quite a few people complain about the hate but yesterday somebody said they were leaving because of it. This led to a long thread with a lot of criticism of the moderators because they were providing a platform for hate speech. Today that thread seems have disappeared from the site.
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Kevin JJohn D…I have never seen a single post of hate towards Levon on “this page” as you reference. If I did, I would stand up and object to it…..Did you read the Joshua Manuel post I copied below. He repeats the same waring every few months. The same goes for the Levon Helm Facebook page. Have you ever objected to all the hate and venom directed towards Robbie at those sites. It might make a difference if you did.
Clint... Nothing new....
I had never heard Dominique Robertson speak before – that was new – as was really understanding how returning home each night from a day at the house/studio with the boys to a sophisticated/worldly lady and sharing her love for literature and life experiences so different than the rock n roll raucousness he was used to was really the beginning of his distancing himself from the others….
Also new for me was hearing Rick Danko say “Robbie was writing all the songs and we were doing the arrangements”.
What I loved mostly about OWB was how much MUSIC Daniel Roher was able to fit in to 100 minutes………Most critics don’t give a damn about that yearning more for tawdry stuff that a David Crosby doc served up……the problem with the Crosby doc is that is contained almost no music.
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John DSubject: Pat B
Good post Pat. Can't say I disagree.
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Pat BJohn D, the fact is there wouldn't be this "split" in Band fandom if Levon hadn't published the RR slagging in his book. I absolutely love everything musical about Levon and I thoroughly enjoyed the few times I spent with him (pinching myself as I say that). It wouldn't have been The Band without him--a statement true of all five members--but facts are facts. Heck, Dag B just posted a Levon interview where he expressed regret over the negative tone in his book and referred to RR and Richard as the group's songwriters. I agree with him.
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John DSubject: Clint
I know I am going to resent posting this; but what the hell.
Clint, thank you so very much for your intelligent comment. I'm tired of the other bullshit; where people on this page love one member of the Band and literally hate another. I too am Switzerland
I loved all 5 members of the Band and when I see the term Levonistas, it makes my blood boil. This is how you refer to 1/5 of The Band??? Perhaps these people wish Levon was never a member of the Band. Levon has been dead since 2012 and people today are still blaming him for any negative reviews about Robbie's movie. I was proud to say I was friends with both of them They both always treated me with love and respect. I once told Robbie at the Windsor Arms Hotel that I held him right up there with Paul Simon and other great songwriters. He seemed surprised and thanked me. Anyway there are a few on this page who seem to enjoy dredging up negativity about the boys especially Helm. If you listen to the Youtube interview with Larry Campbell you will hear that Levon stopped the bitterness in the last couple of years. I know that each year; when I post about the anniversary of Levon's death absolutely no one comments on it. The Silence is deafening. Remember you can still love Robbie without hating Levon. Robbie certainly didn't hate him
Like Clint (and thank you again Clint whoever you are) for loving The Band as a whole. It's refreshing.
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WallsendClint, they had 16 years with Robbie and 16 years without him. That is quite a long life span for a rock band. Less than the Stones but certainly longer than the Beatles.
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I don't post here very often. I saw Robbie's new movie. I don't think he said anything new. Now, as far as taking sides go, I am Switzerland. I loved all the guys in The Band, and thought they were all special talents. I wished they could have stayed together longer and put out more records. And one more thing; all the guys, save Garth, had their issues with drugs.
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John DSubject: Bill M
You've got a keen eye sir.
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WallsendRod, yes, I wonder if Cathy Smith will get a mention in the new book.
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Peter vThis was on Facebook a few weeks ago, not word for word but
Who would have imagined that we would all carry a phone and camera that gave us access to all the knowledge in the world and that we would use it to photograph meals to send pictures to friends and to have violent arguments with people we have never met?
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RodI saw something Butch Denner posted a few weeks back on one of the FB pages - can't remember which one. It was a pic of him helping a drunk looking Rick across the road. Pretty bad taste I thought.
I wonder how the new Levon book will go down? If it's an impartial view it may get a real drubbing from the Levonistas.
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JQSubject: The R Manuel site
I wonder if Butch D is at it over there? He split from here years ago but, while here, he was pretty shitty about JRR. He might lurk here though - I wonder, is he still even alive?
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Kevin JSubject: Joshua Manuel
The following is a message Joshua Manuel posted on May 10, 2019 at the Real Richard Manuel Facebook.....If only the Levon Helm Fans Facebook moderators would pay attention to this sentiment as well.....Seems lost on them that such dignity would reflect well on Levon:
”Even though this is a group for our Father, there are friends and family of the other members in here. And by shit slinging, and foul mouthing people you are being rude and disrespectful to them not to mention to Me and the others in this group that have the decency to read and follow the few basic rules I have posted in here. You all want to talk shit, do it amongst yourselves in your own private messages OUTSIDE of this group. ... You may consider this censorship but I call it KEEPING THE PEACE. And clearly that is not taking place with people insulting each other over shit most of you probably have no clue what you are talking about, heard it indirectly, whatever the case may be.
“Just because something was written in a book by one of the members doesn't make it 100% true. If you weren't there when it happened then you don't know what really happened. ... And WTF?? " I know I'm not supposed to badmouth anyone BUT.."? You don't get a BUT. You want to badmouth someone you do it in your own private group chat.”
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Pat BKevin J, I appreciate the sentiment but the Levonistas are driven by the words of their hero, and their hatred springs from a book their hero wrote.
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Kevin JSubject: Abuse at Facebook Pages
Bravo, Dag B……Almost amazing to think that at 2020 we would rejoice at having a Facebook page dedicated to The Band that adheres to a policy of not tolerating any hate towards one of its members…..But, we do because that’s the kind of situation we find ourselves in these days where people seem to get out of bed on a daily basis and spend a good deal of their time going to Facebook pages and taking pleasure in sharing hate for a songwriter and musician that they are simultaneously celebrating the songs he wrote……………I was so happy to stumble upon the Levon Helm Fan Page several months ago and even posted here about what a pleasure it was to see a page where no abuse of an Band member would be tolerated……..Sadly, their stated rules are not enforced. Just today, you have posters there referring to a member of The Band as a "scumbag" ( nice, eh? ) and a bunch of others regularly spewing hatred towards RR.
How can anybody there or at any of the sites feel good about themselves by being associated with this kind of nonsense? And you wonder why bullying and hate crimes are on the rise in this world…..Because of otherwise decent people that are too cowardly to call out hate when they see it or read it in their presence.
On this subject and to lest we think everyone in Band land not associated with this site are bullies and cowards, have faith and spare a thought the next time you listen to a Richard Manuel song that his son Joshua is a beautiful soul who carries himself with dignity and character and does his best to keep his site 'The real Richard Manuel" Facebook free of the kind of hate that is so prevalent at other sites.....and man, does the poor guy have his hands full....having to regulary threaten to close the site down to keep the abusers at bay...
Thank you, Bill M and Jon L……………………..and yes, Bill – nice to see Landmark’s name up in lights….though that Alex thing threw me for a loop…..A bit like Westcoaster changing his name to Rockin’ Chair and now in a very confusing turn adding a “J” to his name….shouldn’t be allowed!
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Bill MJohn D: the Paul McCartney in the fake video you pointed us to is wearing a pink scarf. It occurred to me that it might really be footage of Robbie at TLW - with new head and instrument air-brushed in.
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Peter VMy great find at a record fair in London was "Hang on Sloopy" LP by The McCoys, the first ever LP on the Immediate label in the UK (the single was the first 45 on Immediate). I've been playing it today. Rick Derringer was just past his 18th birthday when they recorded it in 1965 … they must have been a really good live band for the era. Hi Heel Sneakers and Papa's Got A Brand New Bag are excellent versions. It's a bit hissy and scratchy as LPs from 1965 can be but it still works well.
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John DSubject: Bill M
Sorry Bill. I don't understand your post. What pink scarf?
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Dag B.Web: My link
Subject: Facebook group
A new facebook group with, unlike other groups, a strict no-Robbie-bashing policy.
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Rodlooking forward to see OWB - but will probably have to wait until it gets released on DVD as well. I do like the clips I've seen so far. What's happening with RRs new book?
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WallsendPeter, another really dumb thing Levon's fans say is that Robbie waited until after the other three had died before he spoke up as if he hadn't been giving interviews for the last forty years.
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Bill MJohn D: The pink scarf - did they paste Paul's head onto footage of Robbie at TLW?
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Peter VWeb: My link
Subject: The Zombies play The weight
I got this on a feed from my local venue, where The Zombies are playing in May, The Zombies recorded at Levon Helm Studios in 2018. They screw up the lyrics though.
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Peter VSubject: Absolutely Sweet Marie
It works very well for a fake. It shows what you can do - though the bass part is too simplistic for Paul!
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Peter VSubject: Once were Brothers
The latest "Uncut" reviews the Once Were Brothers DVD, which sent me straight to amazon, but it's not listed. Odd.
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John DWeb: My link
Subject: George Harrison & Friends
Yesterday I came across a Youtube video that has been on the net since 2013. I had never seen it before.
George Harrison with Ringo Starr, Jim Keltner, Eric Clapton, John Lennon, Paul McCartney and Leon Russell among others doing Bob Dylan's Absolutely Sweet Marie.
There's a reason I hadn't actually seen it before; because technically it doesn't exist. The creator of this video made some video magic. What you are seeing is the vocal from Bob Dylan's 30th anniversary Concert overdubbed to the video of George's Bangladesh concert. George did NOT perform this song at the Bangladesh show; but you would swear he did. The only part that is not real is that Lennon & McCartney were NOT there. Otherwise it is an editing masterpiece to my mind. Enjoy. It rocks!
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Peter VSubject: Once Were Brothers
I guess in the UK we'll have to wait for the DVD, at least outside London. Thanks for the review link. It's depressing looking elsewhere on the net to see the same old same old anti-Robbie stuff rearing its ugly head again. The Levonistas still believe "This Wheel's On Fire" was the gospel truth word for word. The other thing is the constant complaint that Garth doesn't appear. The director explained that months ago in one of the music mags. They went to meet Garth ready to film an interview for the film, but it didn't work out that he was able to do it at the time. Not anyone's fault. Certainly not a plot … but, for what it's worth, paranoia runs deep.
Listened to The Zombies Odessey & Oracle all day today, catching up on reviews after three days of London theatre.
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Dag B.Web: My link
Subject: Once Were Brothers review
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Bill MKevin J: glad you dropped in. It was a good week here, what with Alex (aka Landmark) dropping by too.
Speaking of Springsteen, one of the many neat things about the last-show LARS of the '66 tour was Dylan's yelp as they moved into heavy-duty instrumental mode, sounding exactly as Bruce would sound a few years later on "Born To Run" (the song).
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Jon LynessLocation: NYC
Why thank you Kevin, I truly appreciate that. So glad that you enjoyed the documentary as much as I did.
I neglected to mention in my review that Robbie himself opened the showing I saw in NYC and spoke for a few minutes, talking about the way the creative team came together to make the film. He praised director Daniel Roher in particular for bypassing the "tried-and-true" path of most rock documentaries, and talked about having a strong gut feeling about him from their first meeting, even though he was quite young and had very limited experience with this kind of project (reminding me somewhat of the story of The Band hiring Elliot Landy, when they rejected a bunch of hot photographers with slicker styles and really responded to his authenticity). Nothing earth-shattering was said but it was cool to see Robbie in person.
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Kevin JJust back from watching “Once Were Brothers”...... while the theatre was 1/2 full at best for a 2:00pm viewing - an interesting note was that I would put more than 1/2 the crowd at below 40 years of age.....In other words, not the dominant geezer crowd one might expect.......I absolutely loved the film......It is very faithful to Testimony in that it starts with Robbie getting on that train to the South and ends with TLW.....but it is a brilliantly directed documentary. Just scrolled back and read a review of OWB by Jon Lyness ( posted January 14 )......Without question, Jon’s review is the most fair, well written and balanced account of the film I have come across so I won’t even attempt to write one of my own but rather just offer a few additional observations:
* Ronnie Hawkins has the funniest lines with full theatre laughing on a couple of occasions.
* There is a particularly funny story Robbie tells of meeting his future wife Dominique - at the time a Montreal journalist on the streets of Paris in 1966 - that also generated a full theatre laugh ( his thinking saying he was from Toronto would impress her ) that would no doubt be lost on any audiences outside of Canada.
* It was such a beautiful experience to see The Band celebrated on film and hear that great music played loud again in a real theatre....and I couldn’t help thinking as well what an absolute shame it will be if anybody who considers themselves a fan of the band deprives themselves of seeing this film because of some ridiculous irrational hatred they have built up against RR.
Funny sidebars......Bruce Springsteen’s description of Rick, Richard’s and Levon’s vocal talents might have Pat B smiling......and damn if I didn’t think of Bill M when Rockin’ Chair was played over a nod to MFBP...
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Thanks Bill M. That’s some listen, that I wouldn’t do, but I would like to hear the Edinburgh and Glasgow shows. The Edinburgh show is meant to be very good? On No Direction Home, they chose Ballad of a Thin Man from the Edinburgh show for the album, which says something.
Some people would boo. Not a surprise. When you look at paintings, clips or pictures, some of the crowd are older folkies with the goatee beards, not a rock crowd.
This week I’m still listening to early, but different Elton John albums.
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Bill MOnce in Enough: I read your post wile listening to the tail end of "Ballad Of A Thin Man" on the last show of the '66 tour. I couldn't help but think that Garth prefers to let his talking. That was clear as day in the TLW movie and almost as clear in his absence from OWB.
In '66, what always came after BTM was LARS. A magnificent LARS preceded by Dylan introducing - the only time one tour - his musicians. 'They are all poets" he said. Quite moving, to tell you the truth.
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Once in EnoughSubject: Once Were Brothers
Three brothers are gone, two are alive, and only one was in the film.
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Joe FreySubject: Once Were Brothers
Rolling Stone online has a review of the movie.
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WallsendAll this talk of the 66 tour has sent me back to Testimony. We are really lucky to have Robbie's unique take on things.
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Bill MYes, and it's not just Garth. All of the others, including Bob, are at the top of their game too.
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WallsendWe are really privileged to have access to both all the 66 recordings and the Basement Tapes (to say nothing of the other recent boxed sets). We get to see a musical genius working in two very different settings.
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Bill MPaul: Thanks for the note. Manchester's probably the most powerful over all, but there are so many shows that were noteworthy for this or that or many reasons. The final final (in London) is fabulous - SOO rock and roll, and has Dylan making up for lost time by providing the lecture to dickheads that had been eating him up inside for months. And I'd rush out to buy a CD compilation of nothing but all 18 (?) performances of "Ballad Of A Thin Man" just to hear Bob and Garth doing call and response in an endlessly fascinating way - sometimes on calliope, sometimes on normal rock organ, sometimes on cathedral organ. I eventually realised that it was often not so much that one or another of the guys was especially brilliant, but that the miking and sound differed considerably from show to show. And of course the musicians were a moody bunch - sometimes leaning to C&W, sometimes to really hard rock, etc. And always playing in both senses of the word - the insertions of "La Bamba" being the best example in my books. And this is to the Hawks; it's mostly not found on Dylan's studio LPs of the time.
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Hi, Bill M. If you're plowing through the full 66 live recordings, you're doing something I always wanted to do but know I never will. If you've done it, most or all, are there a couple performances/recordings you'd single out as exceptional? My gold standard is Dylan's Bootleg 4 and 5, with the Manchester performance. I always wished they'd played some different songs on different nights, but aside from a couple of lo-fi and not really impressive versions of "Long Distance Operator" and "Positively 4th Street," there's really not a lot more with good performance and good recording happening on the same night.
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SolomonSubject: Robbie Interview
Robbie on The Adam Corolla show.
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Jon LynessLocation: NYC
Subject: Robbie / Once Were Brothers
Another Robbie interview discussing the Once Were Brothers documentary is linked on the expectingrain dot com homepage. I know there have been a lot of these recently, but I thought this Q&A exchange was quite notable.
Q: The film gets very emotional and pulls no punches in talking about alcohol and drug abuse among some of The Band members, and three of them are no longer with us. Any idea of how you managed to be a survivor?
Robbie: In that program of people dealing with addiction, there’s a phrase in there that’s so key. It’s called “one day at a time.” I have very often thought, “I’m going to get up today, and I’m going to follow that dream and accept these challenges, and move forward.” Moving forward was the thing. Some years ago, we really didn’t understand alcoholism and addiction. It’s become much more clear what that really is, but nobody referred to it back then they way they do now. Today, when I look back on it, I feel very sad that we didn’t have the tools to be able to help one another in this group. So, I carry a bit of sadness about that, because I’ve lost three of my brothers in this group. Although I am motoring on, and accepting new challenges and I’ve got so many things that I want to discover and get to in my work, I still sometimes go to that place in my heart where I think I lost these guys and I was helpless in it. That was a devastating feeling.
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Bill MI’m now almost at the end of my journey through the Dylan / Hawks 1966 tour of western Europe. The last three are Paris, followed by two shows on London. Paris is notable for Mickey Jones’s metric meltdown on “Just Like Tom Thumb’s Blues”. Start listening at 4:20. He rights things within a few beats, but still a total surprise given his steady-eddie work on every other song on every show.
Also, Paris may be the final appearance of “La Bamba” in “Like A Rolling Stone”. There’s no doubt that our guys were having fun with this; for me, the best proof is Garth laying a bit of it into the Paris LARS using a stereotypical cheesy tex-mex organ sound.
And, listening to Dylan’s increasingly strident vocal during the Paris LARS is a bit like listening to the birth of British punk rock in the late ‘70s.
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WallsendThere is a quite interesting video on Youtube called: Introducing Bob Dylan - The Nashville Sessions
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SolomonSubject: Once Were Brothers: Robbie Robertson and The Band - Clip
I wonder when Once Were Brothers: Robbie Robertson and The Band will be available for streaming or download? Robbie talking about The Weight on youtube.
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Alex (formerly Landmark)Location: Pointe-Claire
Joe, I heard that he wrote it at the Cafe Lena, upstairs from Hattie's on Phila street. Speaking of Hatties, go have some fried chicken, jambalaya, and rice and beans for me. I would join you but a long car ride is out of the question for the time being. I'll be there in July.
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Joe FreySubject: correction
Oops, that should have been Caroline Street, not Carolina Street.
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Joe FreySubject: The Day Democracy Died
When I first encountered this piece on the internet, I laughed for a very long time, then unfortunately I realized that there was more truth than not in this parody.
I live in Saratoga Springs, where legend holds that Don McLean wrote the song in a little bar on Carolina Street called the Tin and Lint.
McLean has denied this, but the legend lives on. I wonder what he thinks of the parody?
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Peter VWeb: My link
Subject: The Day Democracy Died
You have to see this. "The Day democracy Died" sung by The Founding Fathers. It's a full 8 minutes, but watch to the end. A delightful and relevant pastiche of American Pie.
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George GLocation: Los Angeles
Subject: Once We’re Brothers Q & A
Just got tickets for screening of Once Were Brothers at Landmark theater in West Los Angeles on February 22 at 7pm. Q & A with Robbie afterwards. Tickets still available at Landmark theaters website.
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John DWeb: My link
Subject: Last Night
Thank you Bruce Cockburn
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Jon LynessLocation: NYC
Sad to hear about Joseph Shabalala. RIP indeed. Such great stuff. I saw them circa 2007 here in NY. Amazing to hear them live and feel those rich harmonies surround you.
Best wishes to Garth... while not mentioned here every day, he is never forgotten. Feel better soon.
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Bill MJohn D: I think that should be SIR Garth, given that the Order of Canada that he was named to recently is the Canuckistani equivalent of a British knighthood. Nice to hear he's on the mend.
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Peter VWeb: My link
Subject: Diamonds: The African Concert
Here we go - the live version from "The African Concert". Fantastic …
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Peter VSubject: Diamonds on the soles of her shoes …
Thanks Nux. One of my Desert Island discs Top ten records ever, and Mrs V's all-time favourite song. RIP Joseph Shabalala. I saw Ladysmith Black Mambazo on their own in Poole some years ago. Truly inspiring.
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NuxSubject: RIP Joseph Shabalala
A Wonderful musician has 'earned his wings'.....
Joseph Shabalala, the icon of SA acapella & founder of Ladysmith Black Mambazo has left the planet for greener pastures.....
A true asset to our music development, here in SA. A wonderful Soul, who put together an inspirational acapella group, which brought much joy& upliftment to many, during our rocky past.
May his Soul fly and his legacy grow & continue to inspire, in as selfless a manner.
He is no longer, "Homeless'....
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John DSubject: Garth Hudson
Garth is apparently recuperating from bad fluish pneumonia. I am told he is now on the mend. God's speed Garth.
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JQSubject: Larry and Theresa
While I was checking out the article I also looked at some of their YouTube stuff. One that I thought was particularly great was a show they did at Jorma K’s place Ohio. She’s a terrific singer and I think Larry might be my favorite player of anything with a string on it. When I saw Larry play at the Ramble I was made aware of that versatility, extreme competence and his great artistic feel for it all.
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Mike NomadLocation: Currently in the Carib
Subject: Larry and Teresa
Thanks for the link. Brings back a wonderful memory of a Rambles visit.
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Jon LynessLocation: NYC
Oh yep, that's lovely. Thanks Wallsend.
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WallsendIt is on the 'acoustic guitar' website.
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John DSubject: Larry & Teresa
Wallsend where is the link to the interview? Can't find it.
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Peter VSubject: Individual tracks
I've also sought out individual tracks:
Dreamland- Joni Mitchell
Skin to Skin Harry Belafonte & Jennifer Warnes, from Paradise in Gawkanzulu
Sapelo- Larry Jon Wilson
Harper Valley PTA - Jeannie C. Riley
Slow Starter- John Phillips, from Phiilpps 66.
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Peter VineySubject: Listening
Norman Fucking Rockwell by Lana del Rey. Can't stop playing it. Comparable to the work of Joni Mitchell!
This Time by Count Basie. Cheap vinyl find. Great version of I Can't Stop Loving You among others.
Brian Kennedy: The War of Words. Cheapo vinyl find. Interesting, but a case where vinyl that looks clean has an awful lot of hiss … one of RCA's very thin vinyl records. They're so often bad pressings.
My Brilliant Friend-Max Richter OST. Again. This gets played a lot.
Brazilian Impressions - Respighi, SACD. I'm in a classical phase!
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WallsendThis is quite a nice interview: Larry Campbell & Teresa Williams Remember Levon Helm & the Midnight Ramble
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John DWeb: My link
Subject: SIR Van Morrison
Congratulations to Sir Van Morrison.
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WallsendThat Buddy Cage-Rick Danko performance was pretty laid back. Did not seem as though they had done much rehearsing.
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Glenn TSubject: Last 6
JQ - Nice surprise to see Zappa's Hot Rats mentioned, having listened to it a couple of times this week - I'd forgotten what a strong album it is. I also enjoyed another listen to The Band at Woodstock - great to hear live versions of Tears of Rage, We Can Talk, Ain't No More Cane, Long Black Veil. Other albums: Blood Sweat & Tears (2nd album, first with DCThomas); Allison Moorer: The Show (live album); Shery Crow: Wildflower; and Bob Dylan: Hard Rain.
Thank you Mitt Romney for saying that it "was a flagrant assault on our electoral rights, our national security and our fundamental values. Corrupting an election to keep oneself in office is perhaps the most abusive and destructive violation of one’s oath of office that I can imagine."
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JQSubject: Last 6
Woke on the Whaleheart - Bill Callahan
Hot Rats (Willie the Pimp) - F Zappa
Firin’ In Fouta - Baaba Maal
Careless Love (Weary Blues) - Madeleine Peyroux
Will the Guns Come Out (Heartbreak Hotel) - Hanni El Khatib
Roses (Millionaire) - David Olney
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Jon LynessLocation: NYC
RIP to Buddy Cage. Try "rick danko buddy cage" on Youtube for a lovely 1988 club show with the two of them. I'm enjoying this one.
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Dag B.Web: My link
Subject: lecture about the Band in Enschede
Link to the Muziekbank site.
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Hope it goes well, Hans. It would be interesting to see what songs you choose.
I have one Band connection with the Netherlands - I bought Endless Highway in a great music shop in Leiden while on holiday.An enthusiastic Band fan worked in the shop.
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Hans ten BrummelhuisLocation: Poparchief Twente and Muziekbank Enschede
Subject: lecture about the Band in Enschede
I am gonna do a lecture on the 21 march 2020 about the group the Band in Enschede in the Netherlands in a libary. I tell the story of the group and the members and chose a number of songs.
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Peter VTerry Danko just posted about Shangri-La on Facebook - he played uncredited piano on one track on the Eric Clapton album while Richard was drumming..
I think in 1977 solo prospects looked very good - exciting new directions for Levon and Rick with other musicians they liked playing with.
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RodPat, Ben, I totally agree. I love those Shangri-La albums. The Well in particular pointed to a possible new direction for The Band. I'm sure a new studio album after TLW would have sold well given their profile at the time. Maybe Rick and Levon thought their solo careers were a better bet and maybe they were all living the high life after the success of TLW.
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Norm JLocation: Pacific Northwest
While driving this morning I was listening to CBC. A fellow was being interviewed concerning the resurgence of vinyl records. He had spent a lot of time researching this business of the new found popularity. He looked into industry and found that the business (pressing and packaging) was a very hush, hush thing.
He tried to get into many places and was flatly turned down. Finally one place in the states allowed him access but he was sworn to secrecy. He described how the vinyl (plastic) was in pucks and then had another plastic pressed into it. This other ingredient was produced in a plant in Bangkok. He tried for a long time to get to see this plant. He flew to Bangkok and upon showing up at the gate of this plant was turned away. Apparently this place has a very negative environmental reputation with their handling of plastic.
Bottom line is vinyl records and the manufacturing has a very bad reputation for the environment. So hang on to your vinyl I guess like a lot of other things there are people who want to put a stop to it.
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Pat BBen, yes but I can't recall an opening act for the life of me.
That last side of TLW shows incredible promise for new musical avenues. I still listen to The Well and The LW Refrain with regularity. I suppose it's no coincidence that they both feature Richard.
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Bill MWallsend: I'd say say it was the five Basement guys - Bob, Robbie, Richard, Rick and Garth. Bob seems to have written his JWH songs during the basement period (though by himself), and our guys seem to have come up with their Big Pink material at the same time after Bob had gone home for the day.
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Ben PikeLocation: Cleveland TX
Subject: Down Under
Pat B, I was at the Chicago Auditorium Show, I guess you were probably there too. Whatever happened to that Blues group that opened for them? They were getting some attention at the time. To me the sad loss is they didn't do anything with the Warners Deal Robertson set up for them. NL/SC, Studio side of TLW, even Islands sounds like they still had great records in them and could find new directions. "
" Been listening to a series of CDs called "Hillbillies in Hell" a collection of twisted and funny, sometimes inspired Country and Western songs roughly 50s to 70s. The Devil is prominently featured.
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WallsendI finally got the time to listen to the most recent release in the Dylan bootleg series with the outtakes from John Wesley Harding and Nashville Skyline. Really enjoyed it and it provides additional context for the Basement Tapes and Big Pink. I guess it was really Dylan, rather than our guys, that invented 'Americana'.
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erdalSubject: nice site
Fantastic work definitley have a talent and make sure you make full use of it
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Glen MattielloLocation: Glenford
I grew up next door to Jimmy Weider and moved to Ohayo in my teens. I've always felt a kinship with the Band. The Weight Band is doing them proud to this day.
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RodLove that Arkansas accent.
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Bill MThanks John D. I loved the part where Ronnie had no idea when "Suzie-Q" was a hit that Dale was really cousin Delmar. Maybe all the aunts and uncles were too embarrassed about the devil's music to mention it. "Shame about young Delmar. Coulda had hisself a job at his dad's garage. Learn a trade."