The Band Guestbook, January 2002

Posted on Thu Jan 31 22:04:31 CET 2002 from 64-80-55-120-access.surferz.net (64.80.55.120)

Jessica

I am learning about diffrent cultures in school,and since there are so many people on this site from diffrent places,i was wondering if i could get some answers about the most popular songs right now in your country.I.d like to see how many diffrent places listen to the same popular music.The band doesn't count:-).It has to be the top most played popular songs. Thank you.

Posted on Thu Jan 31 21:05:38 CET 2002 from user-2ini8m5.dialup.mindspring.com (165.121.34.197)

Northwest Runner

Long time lurker but sometimes buyer of products offered (i.e.. Tree with Roots) has to chime in officially now that John Stewart comes up. His first album, California Bloodlines, is about the only thing that lyrically I could ever compare with the Brown Album. Live he is very good too, although it has been years since I have seen him. His subsequent albums have not lived up to California Bloodlines (is it even available other then vinyl, I have played my old 1969 record so many times that I have to lift the needle from one groove to the next--well, almost), and while "Bombs Away Dream Baby" was commercially successful, it is far from the exquistite lyrical quality of Cal. Bloodlines. If GB'ers use this site to point them towards other music they might like -- I certainly do -- try to find a copy of California Bloodlines. You won't be dissappointed, and you may be by his other albums. Although I have them all

Posted on Thu Jan 31 19:38:42 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Mariah "no longer a Virgin recording artist" Carey, U-2 and the other featured music artists are rehearsing & taping their ankles for their upcoming performances at the Super Bowl this Sunday. Judging from Bono's passing demonstration at yesterday's press conference, New England fans should be grateful that Brady & Bledsoe are the quarterbacks and Bono is just singing during the halftime.

In yet another merging of athletics & music, the opening ceremonies of the Winter Olympic Games take place a week from tomorrow, Feb. 8. As previously announced, the opening ceremonies will include performances from musical guests Sting, Dixie Chicks, LeAnn Rimes, Robbie Robertson, Yo-Yo Ma and the Morman Tabernacle Choir. NBC will be broadcasting the ceremonies next Friday night from 8 - 11:30 p.m. E.T.

Posted on Thu Jan 31 19:31:34 CET 2002 from (209.166.233.21)

Jon Lyness

Jenny: I saw John Stewart at a NYC club a few years ago...I was unfamiliar with his music, and came away extremely impressed. (Yes Mike, he is a former member of the Kingston Trio.) Beautiful, haunting, quite bittersweet songs and a great voice. He was opening for our own Mr. Eric Andersen, and I thought he was just as good...and being a big EA fan, that's quite a compliment in my book. :)

Posted on Thu Jan 31 19:11:50 CET 2002 from sam34.revealed.net (208.16.227.129)

Mike

Is that the same John Stewart who was a latter-day member of The Kingston Trio? I know that Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks appear on John's "Bombs Away Dream Babies" album from 1979. They can both be heard singing (and Lindsey playing) on the album's hit single "Gold". I'm sure several GB'ers remember the song. The album is not that bad of a listen either. Hard as hell to find though. I suppsoe that's the case because it was released on RSO records (owned by Robert Stigwood). So, Polydor probably owns the rights to it. Enough for now...

Mike

Posted on Thu Jan 31 18:24:32 CET 2002 from du-tele3-063.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.63)

Peter viney

Saw a mail order ad for TLW in Q magazine today. intriguingly it advertises "The Complete Last Waltz" - 4CDs / 5LPs / DVD. Is it just a slip that they used the title of the bootleg? Or does it mean that they're appropriating the bootleg's title and extent?

Posted on Thu Jan 31 16:43:33 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Band fans abuzz in anticipation of the long overdue, re-release of "The Last Waltz". What's the buzz? I believe the thing to remember is that "The Last Waltz" was an event that was recorded simultaneously for two different formats. Scorsese and his crew recorded the event for film, with the sound recorded in sync with the optical part of the film. In addition, a separate, remote recording crew (Wally Heider?) recorded the sound for the Warner Bros. soundtrack version of the event.

I'm guessing here, but perhaps the answer the John's question is that the buzz was something that plagued the film's sound recording machines and not the separate remote equipment. That would explain why Garth had to watch the film to make sure he overdubbed his parts exactly in sync. John of course has had the good fortune has getting a sneak peak at the upcoming Rhino reissue of the Warner Bros. soundtrack. Even the first version of that soundtrack contained songs that were not included in the theatrical version. Certainly the thing I'm most interested in is whether the new DVD version of the film will contain any additional performances. I, myself, would much prefer seeing more performance segments, rather than additional commentary.

Jenny: I pulled out my old copy of John Stewart's "Canons In The Rain" LP last night and noticed that Fred Carter, Jr. not only played on it, but produced the album as well.

Posted on Thu Jan 31 16:10:14 CET 2002 from sam24.revealed.net (208.16.227.119)

Mike

Pat, Peter and John: i wasn't really trying to dispute the fact about Garth re-doing everything. If he did re-do everything, then how can I dispute it. I wasn't there :) Only Garth could've re-done his parts so meticulously. I am almost 100% certian that with today's technology one could remove the buzz. Technology has come quite a long ways in recording enginerring and production. I'm am not the most scholarly of Band fans either, so I apologize if I sounded like I was trying to dispute or provoke an argument. After listening to Garth's sax solo on "It Makes No Difference", I prefer the one used on the soundtrack versus the one on The Complete Last Waltz. I don't know for sure but Robbie may have remixed the entire show, which is good. I also don't believe he would do current overdubs. Will he retain the 1977 overdubs in this remix? If so, that's fine with me. I just hope he doesn't edit any songs. Either way, I've no reason to gripe. Nor will I :) Hey, I mean it's The Band. You'll never hear me gripe when it comes to The Band. The release of this 4 cd set can't come soon enough! Neither can the DVD release of the movie. I'll just be patient and wait.

John D.: Nice little hint of two songs to be on this 4 cd release :)

And enough of Robbie and his ego trip. ZZZ. I mean, Robbie is being very rewarding and generous with this 4 cd set and DVD release. Be grateful. Geez!

Mike

Posted on Thu Jan 31 16:05:44 CET 2002 from 1cust80.tnt8.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.114.80)

Hi

Is it possible Garth redid all his tunes before the original film was finally edited and he redid Chest Fever back then before it was cut from the film?

Posted on Thu Jan 31 15:15:44 CET 2002 from du-tele3-001.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.1)

Peter Viney

Removing a buzz – there’s 25 years of computer technology since TLW, and much more is possible. There’s a tendency now to say blithely “Oh, we can treat it afterwards,’ but I guess it’s a bit like using Photoshop to manipulate photos, or even harder, treating a film frame by frame. Yes, things are often technically possible, but nevertheless they’re painstaking and expert work to apply and therefore expensive. Pat will know – can you take out such a buzz without removing other stuff on the track with the same frequency? My guess is it would be easy enough to remove the buzz, but other things would go with it (as with something crude like early Dolby removing hiss on tapes, which used to take off the high end and a lot of the feel).

Posted on Thu Jan 31 14:00:59 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

Just noticed two postings re: Garth's overdubbing. Sorry about that......sometimes you wake up and just want to type. Ha Ha. Don't always have the time to look back at the posts.

Posted on Thu Jan 31 13:56:00 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

I have a question that I think is very, very important about the re-release of TLW. For the sake of those Band fans who don't know the story............after TLW concert in 1976 and the tapes were finally being listened to.....they found a loud buzz on Garth's Organ track throughout the show. The track was unusable. What does one do. If they have the genius of Garth Hudson......here's what happened. Garth spent months watching the film over and over again and then sat at the keyboard and replayed every note........note... for.... note that we hear on the album and in the movie. He overdubbed himself perfectly. That is unbelievable.

My point here is, that I don't believe Garth was involved at all in this re-release with extra tracks. What about the buzz. Can modern day studios get rid of that buzz; which they could not do in 1976-78? I would really be interested to know how they will accomplish this since The Genetic Method and Chest Fever will be on this new recording. Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted on Thu Jan 31 12:46:07 CET 2002 from (216.5.93.14)

Jenny T

David Powell: Well I have always thought that if you took the best from each of John Stewart's albums and put them on one disc, it would be one hell of an album. The guitar work was always beautiful, his voice so good, and the sound so good (though maybe you could lose the strings on a couple of songs). I think it often registered as country yet there was never anything generic about it--you never said, oh I've heard this move 8000 times. I think he has a great sense of melody and rhythm, and many of his songs speak to my heart. He seems to feel deeply the important things we have lost and are losing, and to capture unusual characters in song, and to be able to write a nice lusty love song. One time I read some Encyclopedia of Rock and Roll that described his style as "equine" which I guess came from growing up on a horse farm but seemed an unfair dismissal.

Next time I am back home in LA I am going to dig out those albums and give them a listen, though I think we had Cannons in the Rain on 8 track and it is probably history.

Posted on Thu Jan 31 09:28:30 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-ti072.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.182)

Ben Pike

How can you tell Robbie ain't doin the overdubs on TLW Pat? As for his ego, hey, let's face it, no pushy, pretentious, AMIBTIOUS Robbie Robertson and there simply would have been no Band.

On another matter, you may or may not believe this but I think it's fair to say most know the Pikemaster is not given to tall tales. Today, however, I found myself back in The City Of Angeles and I passed Van Dyke Parks on the street. Since I had seen him a few weeks back at the Wainwright Show, and knew they were planning more, I asked him "Are you going to be at the Loudon Wainwright Show tonight?" He laughed and said "Yes, and Richard Thompson is going to be there too."

Well, as many times as I've seen Loudon, destiny seemed to call, and the best part was I walked right past Van Dyke on the way in, he stuck out his hand, and seemed to get a kick out the fact I showed up; a real gracious gentleman. The Loudon set was fun, he was taping for a possible live album(Ha! that will confirm my story) and Van Dyke improvised wonderful fills of three cord folk tunes on the Piano. Much of the set was Wainwright with Van Dyke, Richard Thompson, and David Mansfeild. Not a bad little combo! Highlight was a cover of Marty Robbins "At The End Of The Long Lonely Day", with Loudo trading verses with Thompson. Goosebumps time.

Posted on Thu Jan 31 08:43:48 CET 2002 from p50853f97.dip.t-dialin.net (80.133.63.151)

ulbiman

OK, it looks like the whole new TLW is another ego trip by RR. But..... I think that everyone of us is happy for "new" stuff ! I need that!!

Posted on Thu Jan 31 07:12:30 CET 2002 from abby5.revealed.net (208.16.227.196)

Mike

Pat, I agree! It's about time The Last Waltz is realeased on DVD. I know I'll get my copy. I certainly don't want to hear more of the whole Robbie ego thing either. The horse died a long time ago. Stop beating it. However, Garth didn't re-do everything on the keyboards. He re-did a lot but not all. I've done a to b comparisons. Some things were left untouched while others weren't. One of the most glaring overdubs is the sax solo on "It Makes No Difference". That's just what my ears hear. I'm looking forward to the 4 disc Last Waltz reissue. Oh my! That'll be worth the wait. Oh well...off to bed.

Mike

Posted on Thu Jan 31 06:22:10 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-2nd-24-31-154-117.maine.rr.com (24.31.155.117)

mattk

Oh good lord, not another TLW conspiracy theory!

Along less speculative lines:

Lou Marini is also on Zappa in NY, and while he's not on any albums from The Band (a bit surprising since much of the core of the original SNL horn section makes up the TLW horn section), Marini is on Levon's RCO album as well as on his eponymous solo release.

While he never recorded with Frank Zappa, Dr. John also auditioned for the MOI just prior to the recording of "Freak Out." Frank said that Mac was disturbed by the words to "We Are the Brain Police," and "decided he didn't want to do it."

Mac himself says Frank fired him for getting stoned. Supposedly the Good Doctor was rather shocked because he assumed anyone writing music as weird as Frank must be getting high (Frank reportedly avoided illicit drugs, and hated marijuana because it made him sleepy; early on, the MOI wanted to kick Frank out because he refused to drop acid and derided the rest of the group for doing so).

Bringing this back full circle to Van Dyke Parks - Van Dyke was an early member of the Mothers of Invention (electric harpischord). According to Frank, Van Dyke was fired because he was "not a reliable player. He didn't make it to rehearsal on time and things like that..."

Posted on Thu Jan 31 05:21:55 CET 2002 from dialup-65.58.47.252.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.58.47.252)

Pat Brennan

Didn't we go through a version these "egomaniac Robertson" questions when Bob Margolin's guitar was prominently featured on the last vhs release? Is it possible that some marketing company is designing this thing? Is it possible this is an early mock-up of the cover? Why would it benefit Robertson to put a Tele on the cover? People, think about it: we're getting The Last Waltz on DVD!! A month before that we're getting a four-cd Last Waltz release!!

BTW, it is rather obvious that Robertson re-did few if any of his guitar tracks. Nor did Levon re-do much. Richard and Rick were another story, and Garth--through no fault of his own-had to re-do everything.

Posted on Thu Jan 31 04:47:33 CET 2002 from h66-59-176-132.gtconnect.net (66.59.176.132)

Me

Check out the web site. Especially you Tracy.

Posted on Thu Jan 31 03:56:01 CET 2002 from akcf1.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.202)

Rod again

One more interesting thing about the "special edition" Last Waltz cover. It doesn't mention anything about The Band.

Posted on Thu Jan 31 01:14:46 CET 2002 from akcf1.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.202)

Rod

The DVD cover the The Last Waltz is a bit unfortunate as I really liked the original "logo" with the title in big letters and the five musicians as the bottom. I don't think Robbie had played a Telecaster since Watkins Glen and no one in the film plays one. The bronzed strat , the harp guitar or even Rick's Ripper would have been more fitting. (I had a Precision Bass at the time but really wanted a Ripper after seeing TLW. When I finally got one it wasn't as good as the Fender but it looked alot better).

I hope the new version gets released on Video as well as I can't see myself forking out for a DVD player at this time.

Posted on Thu Jan 31 00:07:18 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp71846.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.198.163)

brown eyed girl

CANADIAN HALL OF FAME: Daniel Lanois and Toronto promoter Michael Cohl will be inducted in April.....Lanois was recently nominated for two Grammy Awards....Album Of The Year and Record Of The Year....for his work on U2's All That You Can't Leave Behind.....

My personal fave of his own solo work is For the Beauty Of Wynona..1993....his bass player Daryl Johnson has also worked with Emmylou Harris.....Lanois worked on Dylan's Time Out Of Mind as well as numerous other recordings.....

He continues to promote Robbie's guitar virtuosity.....He focuses on the music and not the politics....for as many people believe....everytime someone bashes a Band member....they are actually promoting a negative legacy of The Band whether they are aware of it or not.....

Btw....It was King Crimson/Roxy Music keyboardist Brian Eno who taught Lanois the technique of guitar and studio ambience and song manipulation technique.....

Phoenix Club....best time seeing the Waterboys with Karl Wallinger and attending a Now Entertainment Weekly Newspaper party.....As soon as The Staple Singers were heard singing "I'll Take You There"....everyone was dancing and feeling alright!

Posted on Thu Jan 31 00:01:47 CET 2002 from dialup-64.156.154.254.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net (64.156.154.254)

J Quest

Continuing on the John Stewart & Fleetwood Mac comments: Lindsey Buckingham (a fine player, regardless of some slick/pop instincts) was taught his style by John Stewart. They both use the exact same guitar, I don't know the brand name. I haven't seen it used by any others.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 23:53:57 CET 2002 from 12-243-71-112.client.attbi.com (12.243.71.112)

Tracy

Gotta say that cover for the DVD version of The Last Waltz is odd to say the least. I'll agree that the type facing looks like something you get from a Harlequin novel. Maybe they could've gotten Fabio for the cover lovingly embracing that fine looking blonde Telecaster. What's with the dramatic shot of the audience? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of how this film was shot, with virtually no shots of the audience? If I recall right, Scorsese's camera personel were on the stage right up there with the performers and filming them. Who knows what MGM was thinking of. They should have stuck to the original promotional graphic with the silhouette of the five members of The Band.

Also the image of the guitar I think is supposed to symbolize Rock'n Roll. What other instrument do you see used commonly with this type of music? Sure you could put a keyboard or drum kit, but that wouldn't really say what kind of music you'll hear. A Telecaster on the cover? Maybe MGM didn't have a stratocaster to use an image from? They could have tried to perhaps borrow Robbie's bronzed strat instead, making it a little more authentic and also an instrument which was actually played at the event.

Tracy

Posted on Wed Jan 30 23:14:45 CET 2002 from wcs2-pent-2.nipr.mil (206.38.114.100)

Nick

The notes regarding The Last Waltz DVD mentions new interviews with RR and the musicians. Did Garth and Levon participate in the project in any way? I assume Levon didn't. I'm curious to know if they were asked. Does anyone know if they'll share in the profits? The whole thing smells like another RR ego trip (note the huge guitar). Did he do anymore overdubs?

Posted on Wed Jan 30 22:04:52 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

Great to see you last night to Bill. I don't know if anyone has ever picked up on the fact that Bill Munson, literally has collected every single Canadian record that's of interest to him. Translated that means anything that was recorded by the original 5 from their original bands......Bill's got a copy of.

I just checked out the new Last Waltz DVD cover. Two things. One..... the guitar (only instrument) makes a bold statement. There was two keyboards, drums and bass if I remember. Yes I know that Robbie worked very hard on the original and this newest version of the movie; but this was a team effort as far as the night goes and the 16 years before that.

Also is it just me......Doesn't the lettering make it look like a romance novel? Where's Serge when you need him? I know he loves romance novels.....like the life of Henry VIII. p.s. Richard Bell rocked last night at the jam after the Maple Blues Concert.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 21:55:54 CET 2002 from m124-132.on.tac.net (209.202.124.132)

Bill

Mike: I'm surprised that you didn't notice that Jack the dog was mentioned last week.

Good of John D. to post about Richard Bell's award last night (which he dedicated to Rick Danko). It was odd to walk into the club (the Pheonix) and see John, not 15 feet from where he was the last time I saw him - 15 years ago in the lineup to see the reunited Band.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 21:43:40 CET 2002 from (208.158.38.131)

chris herring

Posted on Wed Jan 30 19:53:56 CET 2002 from du-tele3-113.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.113)

Peter Viney

Pat: connecting to the Nick Lowe thread, Brynsley Schwartz’s first couple of albums were reviewed as “Band influenced”. Spooky Tooth used two keyboards and covered ‘The Weight.’

The last waltz DVD – .An 8 page book by Robbie. And an RR commentary. Should be fascinating stuff – maybe we’ll get his point of view on the fued. The search also brings up a forthcoming DVD of BUDDY (1997). What’s Robbie’s involvement with that?

Posted on Wed Jan 30 19:36:44 CET 2002 from spider-tq053.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.68)

franko

What's with the tele on the cover of TLW DVD? The only tele I remember from the movie was hanging on a wall during one of the interview segments. Does anyone know if RR played a tele even once that night? I think tele's are much cooler than strats, but what about truth in packaging?

Posted on Wed Jan 30 18:27:25 CET 2002 from dorms-034-232.bates.edu (134.181.34.232)

John

Above is the link to amazon.com's page for TLW DVD...I don't know about what everyone out there thinks, but the cover may be a little Robbie-egocentric with the guitar and all....Just my own personal opinion. But I can't complain too much cuz I'll be buying it on its release date.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 18:04:58 CET 2002 from 11cust78.tnt2.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (67.227.173.78)

rollie

Hey Fred ! I'm sorry your experiences with hallucinogens have been negative ones.A grain of salt with your micro-dot concerning my last post would be helpful! I would suggest that a society armed with a healthy and measured respect for such subtances, and , then , applied accordingly and in good faith, would be a hell of a lot better off than the one being fed a constant diet of NFL, NHL , Mc Donalds,TV soaps, media disinformation and the like.Nothings perfect. There's bound to be some fallout in ANY set of circumstances concerning the human condition. If Grateful Dead shows were to be used as an example, the number of casualities coming out of these shows versus the happy and healthy is quite low. Is sucking down radioactive fall-out and inhaling car exhaust more enlightening than a good ole-dab ell do ya? Instead of investing money in arms , why don't we put it into finding substsances that will neutralize harmful side effects of certain drugs? Civilization has always, and will always , use these things.We crave a good buzz.Finding it without physical and criminal penalties hanging over out heads makes perfect sense. I realize this is a Disneyland scenario, but I hold out hope that a wave of mass sanity might strike us yet! Bush or Micro-Dot? Micro-Dot anyday!!!!!

Posted on Wed Jan 30 17:42:44 CET 2002 from tres01.ashe.miami.edu (129.171.41.240)

otoole

Just wanted to say hello to all the posters on this board. I visit frequently and I am often amazed at the little bits of knowledge everyone contributes. Most of it is trivial, but fun to read regardless. I'd particularly like to thank Mr. Hoiberg for maintaining the site and Peter Viney for his articles and analysis of songs. They're always entertaining and perfect reading material for procrastinating at work (save for that Raging Bull bit)(heh).

By the way. Does anyone know - are there any bootlegs of the Band at Winterland in 1967 or w/ Dylan at the Isle of Wight in 1969? I'd love to find them. I'd also like to know if a live or studio recorded version of Levon's father's song "Little Birdies" exists. Thanks.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 17:04:54 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Didn't mean to misspell your name, Kalervo. Chill out Fred and take a Xanax, but only if it's been legally prescribed.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 17:00:25 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

Amazon.com has TLW Special Edition DVD available for pre-order NOW!!! It will be available May 7th.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 16:59:17 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Sorry Kalevro for not speaking up sooner, for I too am a fan of Van Dyke Parks. "Song Cycle" (a beautifully recorded tour de force) is an all-time favorite and "Discovering America" is another goodun. Off the bat, I couldn't think of a Band connection, but Van Dyke Parks did help out on Carly Simon's 1976 album, "Another Passenger". Fans of Ms. Simon will no doubt recall that the album's title comes from the song "Libby" which she wrote for her friend Libby Titus.

Jenny: John Stewart is a greatly underappreciated artist in my opinion. Fred Carter, Jr. did indeed play with him back in the early '70s, appearing on several albums, including "Willard", "The Lonesome Picker Rides Again" and "Cannons In The Rain". By the way, there's a Monkees connection -- "The Lonesome Picker Rides Again" includes Mr. Stewart's version of his song, "Daydream Believer", which was a big hit for Davey Jones & the simian group.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 16:54:26 CET 2002 from dhcp21568.sunyocc.edu (198.242.215.68)

FRED! Fred Funk

ROLLIE, ROLLIE, ROLLIE. Are you promoting "illegal" drug useage on this site. Didn't you watch Dubyas state of the union last night.. This method you are suggesting for curing the worlds ills has already been tried.. Believe me I can comment from personal experiences that dropping ACID does absolutely nothing to "cure the ills of the world". Are you by any chance "flying with the Doe Doe Birds"?

Posted on Wed Jan 30 16:04:39 CET 2002 from (216.5.93.28)

Jenny T

This is very very embarrassing but, first album was More of the Monkees but cut me some slack I was 5, and first 45 was the hideous The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia by Vickie Lawrence but cut me some slack because I was an idiot and maybe only 10.

Even more embarrassing was that I thought I could sing though I am completely tone deaf, and recorded myself singing TNTLWOIG. My friend Steve found it and still--almost 30 years later--asks me how my singing career is going. Hardy har har.

I don't know why it took me a while to get any taste, because my Mom loved Dylan and Simon and Garfunkel and patiently explained the difference between bubblegum and real music. (My Dad thinks everything has gone downhill since Stan Kenton.)

Speaking of Mom, she was a huge John Stewart fan, and I think Fred Carter (or maybe another Fred Carter) played with Stewart for a while. She took us to see him at the Troubadour (minors were welcome) in '72 and someone in the band made an off-color remark and Stewart told him to cut it out because there were children in the audience. He had a nice deep voice and wrote some really good songs though he seemed to get stuck lyrically sometimes. He was from around Pomona and because she was a second generation Angelena I think she liked that he spoke of places we knew and loved. He seemed like a homeboy who loved our landscapes, most of which are wrecked nowadays. Any other fans out there?

Posted on Wed Jan 30 15:55:24 CET 2002 from sam10.revealed.net (208.16.227.105)

Mike

JTull, I have Song Cycle. It's worth getting. A really neat album. It barely sold any copies on it's initial release. Thatw as in the days when Warner Bros was run by people who were thought it was al about the music and not financial gain. Lenny Waronker, Joe Smith and Mo Ostin (all at Warners) all come to mind when I think of that. Also, Van Dyke was a close friend of Lowell George (Little Feat) and produced the song "Spanish Moon" on Feat's 1974 "Feats Don't Fail Me Now". He also co-wrote "Cheek To Cheek" on Lowell's solo album "Thanks I'll Eat It Here". He and Lowell were close friends, from what I have read. I've not heard the rest of Van Dyke's catalog, outisde of Orange Crate Art (which I love). Any recommendations? Come to think of it, Lenny Waronker signed Little Feat in 1970. Eventhough it took a few years before their albums caught on, the compnay had faith in the music and NOT dollar signs in their eyes. It's not that way today, sadly. Ok, I'll stop before I begin to rant. What do you recommend from Van Dyke? I wonder where he Parks his car?! LOL

Mike

Posted on Wed Jan 30 15:07:23 CET 2002 from citrix3.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.8)

John Cass

Getting to the Levon Helm & Barnburners posts. I have had the pleasure of seeing the Barnburners 10 times and at a bunch of those shows I have brought freinds who didn't really know much about the Band or about Levon not being able to sing and every time we left the show my freinds were left LOVING the Barnburners!! The great thing for me at the shows is to see Levon playin those drums having a ball also Chris O Leary's harmonica playin. I love the harp and play a little bit but I have seen a few harmonica players John Hammond and John Popper come to mind and I will be seeing Charlie Musslewhite on Feb 23 those three are considered great. I feel that Chris O Leary could blow harp with the best of them I am talking Butterfeild, Musslewhite, Wells, Bell, Sonny Boy, Cotton etc... am I wrong??? I just can't imagine them being any better, I just think O Leary harp playin is kinda a secret that if people relized how great it was it wouldn't matter that Levon can't sing because I have always thought a great blues Harp player makes a blues band. The Barnburner's got all the things working Drums, guitar, bass, vocals & Harp...

Posted on Wed Jan 30 14:32:09 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

JTull Fan

Kalervo:!!!! OK I like Van Dyke Parks too. From the Smile sessions to Clang the Yankee Reaper to Orange Crate Art. Got Tokyo Rose, I think but haven't played it yet. Can't find Song Cycle. Haven't commented on your posts not because of lack of interest but simply because I have nothing great to add. PROCOL HARUM: Love 'em, seen 'em (in a club in '91 and opening for Tull in '93), not much of a Band connection except that Matthew Fischer comes as close to Garth on Organ as anyone.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 09:37:10 CET 2002 from (194.100.60.131)

Kalervo

Winter Has Me In It's Grip...This Don McClean' s song has been in my head all the time because of quite aggressive Winter...It is from Homeless Brother album which is my all time favorites....

Oh yes 'cruel to be kind in a right measure...' Cruel To Be Kind is a jewel...And so delightful to see that Nick Lowe is today as creative as ever...

Van Dyke Parks, Van Dyke Parks....

Posted on Wed Jan 30 08:51:09 CET 2002 from 1cust242.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.242)

rollie

How about a recording of all of Garths Genetic Method solos tied together? sell the CD with a liitle tab of micro-dot! That should cure all the worlds ills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on Wed Jan 30 08:39:20 CET 2002 from proxy.newmedia.no (212.71.66.13)

Jens Magnus

First album: Then Play On. Fleetwood Mac 1970.

First major concert: Blind Faith, Oslo, 1970.

I recently purchased Then Play On again (for the third time). Really a masterpiece. I can't understand why some of the GB'ers dislike drums and bass from this Mac-period. I find the rhythm section brilliant. Matching the songs excellently!

Posted on Wed Jan 30 08:30:31 CET 2002 from cust163.18.nw.tplus.at (217.76.163.18)

Georg

wow - i've never seen so much guestbook-entrys a day !! all the best and greeteings from vienna/austria from www.race.at

Posted on Wed Jan 30 07:49:26 CET 2002 from spider-wf072.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.191)

Nick

YES! That's what I'm talking about John! Richard Bell was always a hidden gem in the reunited Band. After reading about dogs and other irrelevant stuff it's nice to hear that. God bless him. Many years ago he signed my shirt and made an extra effort to get the others to sign. A nice guy who deserves the recognition two-fold. Richard Bell could always play. Damn right!

Posted on Wed Jan 30 07:48:56 CET 2002 from 1cust242.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.242)

rollie

Just heard the Carter -Barron recording from 1976. Jesus H Christopher on a bicycle!Richard just guttin it out.Brought tears to me eyes it did!Nothing moves you as much as the boys in full swing!

Posted on Wed Jan 30 06:31:41 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

I'm proud to announce that Richard Bell was named keyboardist of the year at the Toronto Maple Blues Awards in Toronto tonight. I had a great reunion with him and he's working hard and sends his best to all Band fans. Later there was a great jam that included Richard and Michael Fonfara (remember Rhinoceros) on the B3 organ.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 05:51:24 CET 2002 from 0-1pool72-33.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.72.33)

Charlie Young

Brennan wins again--and damn fast, too!

Posted on Wed Jan 30 05:39:41 CET 2002 from dialup-166.90.66.156.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.66.156)

Pat Brennan

I'm guessing Tom Malone??

Posted on Wed Jan 30 04:52:27 CET 2002 from 0-1pool72-13.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.72.13)

Charlie Young

Bayou Sam: K-Tel is still around and branching into the DVD business. Just this week I bought a budget DVD from K-Tel featuring a Dr. John gig in London from April of 1983. I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but have seen enough to know that it was warm in that club on that spring evening nineteen years ago--Dr. John was "sweating up a storm" as they say here in the American South...

I'm listening to "Zappa in New York" as I write this, and just noticed that it features another musician (besides Billy Mundi) who played with The Band as well. Anyone know without cheating? By the way: announcer Don Pardo does NOT count!

Posted on Wed Jan 30 04:26:23 CET 2002 from dialup-63.215.117.74.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.117.74)

Pat Brennan

I've been involved in an interesting thread on the Band NG, just how influenced Procol Harum was by the boys and if any such energy was reciprocated. I personally don't think PH had much influence if any on the Band but that's not the point. I was struck by the question in a broader context as I couldn't think of many groups who sound like the Band. PH and Graham Parker's bamd The Rumour are two that display Band-influences to some degree, but after that the list kinda fizzles. Come to think of it, how many piano/organ bands have there been? Again, I can't think of many.

So, what's the point? Well, why is this true? Was what they did so unique that it can't be expanded upon? Or were they, as someone said, a musical cul-du-sac? It's impossible to deny certain influences; they introduced mandolin, accordian, even fiddle to the rock vocabulary, but does that mean everytime REM strums a mandolin, its a nod to Levon?

Posted on Wed Jan 30 04:16:44 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

First 45 purchase "Walk Away Renee". First album The Eagles "Desperado"...got it for christmas 1973.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 04:13:42 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp70907.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.194.240)

brown eyed girl

Kalervooooo: Esa Tikkanen? Oh ya....I remember him always being in the face of my boyzzzz....;-D

Although I really liked Nick Lowe's "Crackin' Up" and "Cruel To Be Kind"...."Well I do my best to understand you....but you still MYSTIFY....and I want to know why....Cruel to be kind....means that I love you".....I value the recordings he produced even more....Graham Parker and The Rumor....Howling Wind..1975....I cannot say enough about this artist....so glad that I was able to see him perform in the eighties in town and I continue to listen to his music....My Aim Is True..Elvis Costello..1977....great writing and energy here....I saw him perform at Massey Hall on the same bill as Nick Lowe and Mink DeVille....I also saw Mink Deville at The Edge a couple of times and have photos of the lipstick mark on his face....He left it there all night long....An amazing crooner with a big heart but with an undeniable street edge that appeals to me....Also saw Costello at Heatwave....New Wave festival in Barrie, Ontario...."Stop Your Sobbing"....Pretenders....They were also at Heatwave....another production by Lowe and....Hiatt I think as well....Don will know for sure...:-D

Rollie: Sure....since I've chatted with Grubbie and your brother Skip....hook me up with your Sis when I'm in NYC....hopefully to see the Ru's....

I now have Yothu Yindi in my music collection....I told ya that I'm a musical sponge....:-D

Posted on Wed Jan 30 04:01:47 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-ta043.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.38)

Bayou Sam

How about those K-Tel albums, like "Dynamite". These are the albums that had about 20 songs on them because they cut them down to about two-and a half minutes each. The albums were so cheap that you could almost fold the discs in half. But they did feature such gems as, The Night Chicago Died, Run Joey Run, Fly Robin Fly, Chevy Van, Magic, Disco Duck (remember that one?), Convoy, Stuck in the Middle with you (great tune), etc......

Posted on Wed Jan 30 03:54:42 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-ta043.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.38)

Bayou Sam

I remember the single "Hey Jude" being at the house when I was 8. I guess it belonged to my folks, but I played it alot. The first 45 that I went out and got was probably "Candida", followed by "Popcorn", by Hot Butter..

Hey - I was driving today and I began to think of a band made up of musicians, who are a couple of sandwiches shy of a picnic - if you know what I mean =

Peter Green - guitar

Syd Barrett - guitar

Brian Wison - bass

Jim Gordon - drums

I'm not sure if Brian should be in this company. He's the most "together" one of the group. I need a keyboard player though......

Posted on Wed Jan 30 02:37:25 CET 2002 from 12-243-212-169.client.attbi.com (12.243.212.169)

King Whistle

File under unexpected: Just picked up a copy of Bob Dylan and Rolling Thunder in Hartford, CT on 11/24/1975. I never realized that Rick Danko appeared at this show and did "What a Town" and "It Makes No Difference." Great part of a very interesting and entertaining four hour show. (Also cool: T Bone Burnette's "Hula Hoop")

Posted on Wed Jan 30 02:36:02 CET 2002 from cpe0000e8c550f8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.156.144)

Jerry Tenenbaum

Sorry... at 53, senility starts to set in.

That was "Oh Carol" - Chuck Berry (78 RPM, not 33 1/3). You remember those records that were coated in shellac and cracked when they were dropped, like glass.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 01:47:46 CET 2002 from cpe0000e8c550f8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.156.144)

Jerry Tenenbaum

First single record purchased: Oh Carol - Chuck Berry (33 1/3 RPM)around 1958-9 (I was 11)

First Long Play record: The Four Seasons first album (1962)

First 45 single (196?) - Killer Joe - The Rocky Fellers

First Dylan long play (1963) - "The Times They Are A-Changin'"

Most impressive effect to my ears for its time - "Music From Big Pink"

I'd never heard anything like it and life was never the same afterward - Led Zeppelin (1st album/white with the cigar Zep on cover)

What I've listened to a million times - Aja

Concert impressions - Johnny Winter in 1968 - amazing

Concert impressions - Dylan & The Band - 10/1/74 - vital

So, there you have it: 53 years of listening. The overwhelming recurrent themes for me are Dylan, Band, Steely Dan, Bruce Cockburn, John Hammond Jr., Butterfield Blues Band, Neil Young, CSNY, Dire Straits, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Leonard Cohen, Rolling Stones (first 15 years), Beatles (last 5 years), Diana Krall, Joni Mitchell, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Charlie Parker.

I still remember hearing "Singing the Blues (Guy Mitchell) on radio and the spooky feeling an 8 year old had in Jackson's Point hearing "Searchin'" (The Coasters) on the juke box in the Barn on Lake Simcoe.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 01:46:59 CET 2002 from spider-wd011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.193.151)

Ben Pike

Artists on the back of Honey Combs and Super Sugar Crisp: The Archies, The Monkees, The Jackson Five.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 01:46:08 CET 2002 from akcf1.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.202)

Rod

Bob Dylan came out here in the 80's (with Tom Petty) sometime after Empire B had come out. I remember feeling a bit peeved he didn't do Tight Connection - not one of his greatest songs but at that time it was his first song to make to top ten for a long time.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 01:35:19 CET 2002 from (151.200.135.241)

Cherie

Mon amour: je vais bien...C'est tout bien quand tu est mon ami premiere. Sans toi, je ne suis contente pas, Tu le sais...Mais, je connais que tu est un beaux homme et j'espere que tu est content avec moi comme une ami aussi comme ca. Je t'aime. Je t'aime mon amour. Plus et plus. Toujours..............quand tu me donne comme la premiere ami, tu est fantastique et comme d'or...... Ta femme toujours.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 01:24:02 CET 2002 from px1nr.wp.shawcable.net (24.66.94.140)

Seri Mutswairo

Nice Site. My father inlaw got me into listening to The Band, and I have loved the music since.

Posted on Wed Jan 30 00:12:28 CET 2002 from spider-tn053.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.68)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

John W: How interesting you should choose to comment on Levon's inability to sing and the possible negative reaction it may elicit from a "casual fan."

While in Philadelphia 1/5/02 at The North Star Bar, before the Barnburners show, a "casual fan" struck-up a conversation with Bob Wigo & me. He asked if we'd seen Levon in the last few years and what he might expect to hear. When we told him he seemed a little let down.

After the show, he came up to us and had wonderful things to say. He left the show feeling that he got his $$$'s worth ($18.00)........and then some. It is my hope that the majority of others will feel the same. Levon's silenced voice is more than compensated for by his explosive percussion. May he live to play for many years to come.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 22:47:53 CET 2002 from dap-209-114-177-86.pri.tnt-2.pgh.pa.stargate.net (209.114.177.86)

Mary (bear)

Oops! Haven't posted in the last month, but here I am twice in one day. Can't leave without wishing my mom a Happy 78th Birthday today. She got a chance to speak to my son on Sunday when we celebrated her birthday, and she said she couldn't have gotten a better present. And, to get to see him this coming weekend, even made her happier. Love you Mom. Nothing band related today. Sorry all. But keep enjoying the music and this site. Good day to you all.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 22:40:48 CET 2002 from dap-209-114-177-86.pri.tnt-2.pgh.pa.stargate.net (209.114.177.86)

Mary (bear)

Just wanted to pop in and say hello! Hi to Lil, Donna, Calm, Jan, Butch, and all my fellow band fans. Hey Butch, hope to see you and Levon at Moondogs in Pittsburgh sometime this coming year. I am just getting ready to leave here to go to South Carolina to pick up my son from Parris Island. He is officially a US Marine. A Private to be exact. Going down for family day, and his Graduation ceremonies. Can't wait to see him. It has been three long months. I will only have him home for ten days though. But, I am so proud of him. Everyone have a good day. I know I will. Take care.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 22:33:59 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

Reading the last few posts reminded me of a line in "Hey Hey, My My"...."They give ya this but ya paid for that"...I personally enjoy hearing a mixture of new and old. Having an artist do nothing but what he feels like makes them look as tho they have no regard for their fan base and you end up going away from the show with less regard for them....sometimes.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 22:30:09 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

JTull Fan

Seeing Billy Joel & Elton John recently I was thrilled to see most of their popular songs performed, especially the older ones. Being more a 'casual' fan of each I was not very interested in the more obscur tracks. However, when I used to see the Band, it was not 'The Weight' I paid to see by the time of my tenth show as much as the new songs and rarer tracks, ie. when they played Holy Cow at one show. I was thrilled. I always felt Jethro Tull provided a good mix. You are guaranteed each show to get Aqualung and Locomotive Breath. After that, you will get Cross-Eyed Mary, Thick As A Brick and Living in the Past every second show, and a mixture of about 6-8 early 70's/ late 60's tracks each show, about 4-6 80's, 90's and recent stuff, and 2-3 rare b-side or deep, deep album cuts for the fans who show up every night.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 21:31:15 CET 2002 from du-tele3-063.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.63)

Peter Viney

No one has to do their greatest hits live, but they're dumb if they don't. That's what the people pay to see. That's life.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 20:27:55 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

On the topic of going to a show and not hearing what you expected, I have been thinking about Levon Helm's shows and how many people must feel kind of let down when they go all psyched up to hear a little Cripple Creek or Milk Cow Boogie, only to find he is not going to sing all night. I guess most of his following are loyal Band fans like us, and know what to expect. Of course the man plays great, maybe better than ever, and Chris O'Leary is a great singer and you are still going to catch a great show. But there must be a lot of more casual fans, who don't know about the throat cancer, who see "Levon Helm" headlining and show up expecting to hear him sing like in the old days. I can't help wondering if they might feel a bit mislead after buying tickets. I don't know what the solution would be, unless they advertised "Levon Helm (playing drums only)", that would not make much sense either. Oh well. I'm just glad I saw and heard so many shows before the illness.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 20:00:48 CET 2002 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Mike Carrico

Steve K - your point is well taken...I too am disappointed when I don't hear a particular favorite at a show. God knows how I would feel if deprived of "Chest Fever/Genetic Method" at a Band concert! But at the same time I respect the artist's right to play what he/she chooses. More important to me than old material vs. new material, is good material vs. bad material. There is no doubt that it's a quandry for the performer, especially if he/she is attempting to branch out in some new direction. Some kind of compromise is probably best, but sometime the artist wants to make a statement.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 19:52:17 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tg044.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.169)

Donna

Talk about a walk down memory lane! I remember listening to "Sugar Sugar" by "The Archies" and those 33rpm's on the back of the cereal boxes, seemed so cool back then. The first 45 I purchased was "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves" by Cher. Yikes!

Posted on Tue Jan 29 19:49:30 CET 2002 from (4.20.68.20)

Rich

David: On the Classic Sports replay of the first Clay-Liston fight, at the end they're interviewing Clay in the ring, there's general pandemonium, and he looks into the audience and says "Sam Cooke, come on up here", and sure enough, Sam Cooke climbs into the ring and stands next to him. Clay then says something like "he's just as pretty as me".

Not sure if the Starry Night analogy really works for a live music show. Look at it this way - if you went to a Van Gogh exhibit, and Starry Night and most of his other greatest works weren't there, wouldn't you feel disappointed?

Posted on Tue Jan 29 19:31:01 CET 2002 from host-65.subnet-76.med.umich.edu (141.214.76.65)

Steve Knowlton

It's not whether memories are "all" an artist sings, but whether he or she sings ANY memories. I saw Edmunds in '94, and he did very few of his popular numbers (did wind up the show with a blazing "Saber Dance"). Band connection: he also played "I'm Ready."

Some artists' reputations are built on their ability at an instrument (typically classical musicians) but most reputations are built on the quality of songs they write/interpret. Just as an audience would be disappointed to come to an Isaac Stern concert and have him play the harmonica, so should Dave Edmunds fans be disappointed when he doesn't perform any of the songs on which his fame rests. Unfamiliar songs played loudly: might as well go to the bar on open mic night (no cover) as pay $30 for a name act.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 19:25:31 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Exactly one week ago (Jan. 22), marked the 71st anniversary of Sam Cooke's birth in Clarksdale, Mississippi. There must be something in the water, or perhaps the mud, down there because that's the same place where, two decades earlier, Muddy Waters was raised by his grandmother.

Mr. Cooke died tragically, under suspicious circumstances, at the age of 33 in December 1964. His classic songs "Shake" and "A Change Is Gonne Come" were released posthumously the following month.

It's no secret that Otis Redding was a big fan of Sam Cooke. When Mr. Redding released his classic "Otis Blue" album in 1966, he included covers of "Shake", "A Change Is Gonna Come" and "Wonderful World".

Although I haven't seen the new "Ali" movie, I understand that a Sam Cooke nightclub performance of "A Change Is Gonna Come" is placed appropriately in the beginning of the film. Mr. Cooke was friends with both Muhammed Ali and Malcolm X and one can't help thinking that they somehow were part of the inspiration behind writing that song.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 19:12:57 CET 2002 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Mike Carrico

I think Ricky Nelson addressed the issue of old hits vs. new material in live performance pretty well in "Garden Party": "If memories are all I sing, I'd rather drive a truck".

On another thread, following a pack of wild geese can lead one to serious trouble; but that's nothing compared to following a gaggle of wild wolves...

Posted on Tue Jan 29 19:00:17 CET 2002 from m198214176085.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.85)

pehr

Mike's story reminds me of a rushed visit to a Wendy's last summer, trying to bolt down a quick meal before work, lamenting to the innocuous ASIA ex megahit being played. I thought how nice it would be if they ever played a band song in a place like that, the good fung-shui that would enter in and lift the plants, the spirit, make tha food taste better. I let out a sigh and looked out the window to rest my eyes. Then the next song came on. It was "Remedy".

Posted on Tue Jan 29 18:56:09 CET 2002 from mxfcl9x193.chesco.com (209.195.249.193)

bassmanlee

Laura Holt - the song is "I Love The Sound Of Breaking Glass" and it's on "Pure Pop For Now People", at least that's what it was called in the States. I believe it had a different title in UK. And did I read somewhere that it was recently re-released? I believe that was Nick's first solo LP (again, in the States, at least) and it was before Rockpile. I was never much a fan of Nick's in that period, in fact I traded that LP for a haircut once. But his later stuff from Party of One, on through Impossible Bird and Dig My Mood are very good. Good to hear that Dave Edmunds is still out and about. I ran through a Dave Edmunds period once. Of course both came my way via their associations with the Living Elvis.

And speaking of Mr. MacManus, did anyone catch his interview restrospective on Fresh Air last week? Or the excellent Mountain Stage with Michael Martin Murphy, John Hammond, etc.? Who was the first artist, young guy, kinda goofy, with an album out on John Prine's label. Todd Snyder?

Do artists have a responsibility to play their hits (or misses) from 20 years ago? I think not. As Joni Mitchell said, "It's not like anybody said to Van Gogh, 'Hey man, paint another Starry Night!'"

Posted on Tue Jan 29 16:41:43 CET 2002 from (24.198.96.52)

MattK

The first 45 I ever purchased was Sir Paul's "With A Little Luck" (hey, I was young, no one is hip at 11), and I've always (sheepishly) considered this "my first record." Ann's comment reminds me that they also used to put 33rpm singles on the back of cereal boxes. So, if I'm to be honest, "my first record" was "Sugar Sugar" by "The Archies" cut from the back of a box of "Super Sugar Crisp."

Now, imagine how much cooler we'd all be if as kids we could have cut "King Harvest" off the back of Cocoa Puffs....

Posted on Tue Jan 29 18:44:20 CET 2002 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Kay

I don't have any inside info, but I think RR may deserve some credit for the incessant playing of Neil Diamond's Coming to America that we may be listening to from now until the Games are over. It's gonna be a long month.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 18:15:41 CET 2002 from (216.5.93.76)

Jenny T

Hi: I know what you mean about Dave Edmunds being loud. I saw him in 1989 at the Orpheum in Boston and had to hold my hands over my ears the whole time. I don't see the point of having the sound that loud. Maybe they should pass out earplugs.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 18:12:08 CET 2002 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

Does anyone out there in GB Land have more info regarding what RR's work on the Olympics music will consist of?

Regards!

Posted on Tue Jan 29 18:08:12 CET 2002 from du105-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.105)

Ilkka

Really hate to see a Web page link that doesn't work. Like mine in the previous post (Shame on me). It is the same old vCard. No big deal but no it is correct. Sorry.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 17:59:37 CET 2002 from du105-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.105)

Ilkka

DIAMOND LIL's :-) new thread: GEESE (!)
"Train-wheels running thru the back of my memory/ when I ran on the hilltop following a pack of wild geese." - 'When I Paint My Masterpiece' (Bob Dylan)

Thanks Lil for your reminiscences. The feel of the nature can be found in the music of the Band and in the posts in this gb - even if they come from NYC.

And now to woodpeckers, marmots and flamingos (Manfred Mann!)

Posted on Tue Jan 29 16:55:08 CET 2002 from raindel.jvlnet.com (216.145.200.249)

Ann

Ms Latella: ;0)

Posted on Tue Jan 29 16:08:25 CET 2002 from spider-wp062.proxy.aol.com (205.188.201.202)

Brien Sz

For all you Beatles fans: In todays NY Post 1/29 @ www.nypost.com in the entertainment section, there is a write up on a new album called "The Blues White Album." You guessed it a bunch of blues artists redoing the Beatle classic.., Just thought some of ya might be interested.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 16:07:53 CET 2002 from zorg98.revealed.net (208.243.237.98)

Mike

I am surprised nobody mentioned "Jack" the dog in "The Weight". It's not a song about dogs but still...I know, I'm really grasping aren't I?

Mike

Posted on Tue Jan 29 16:03:09 CET 2002 from zorg98.revealed.net (208.243.237.98)

Mike

Here's a little thing that happened yesterday that put a smile on my face. It's really nothing big but it's Band related. My fiance and I were having at lunch at the local Chili's yesterday. They had an usually good mix of music yesterday. While eating, All of a sudden, "Caldonia Mission" came on. I looked up at the speaker directly above and listened. I looked back at her and she says "isn't that Big Pink"? I smiled at her and kissed her on the cheek. She's heard "Big Pink" enought times for the songs to register and she knows it's one of 2 fave Band studio albums. The other is "Northern Lights Southern Cross". It was nice just to hear The Band yesterday. One of those unexpected suprises that's uplifting. I know it made me feel good. Come to think of it, it's the ony time I've ever heard The Band in a restaurant or public setting. All I know is that hearing Rick's voice made me feel good. And it got me even more excited for the reissue of "The Last Waltz" in April. I wish it was in February. That's ok. I'll wait!

Mike By the way, I am still trying to locate a few Band related boots:

1. R&R Live. This one has been a pain to track down. If anyone can help I'd appreciate it.

2. I'm missing three songs from the 1976 King Biscuit show: Forbidden Fruit, This Wheel's On Fire and It Makes No Difference. If anyone can help me with these, I'd greatly appreciate it. Gee whiz, I sound like a newcomer here don't I? Peace.

Mike

Posted on Tue Jan 29 15:53:42 CET 2002 from 0-1pool74-213.nas22.vienna1.va.us.da.qwest.net (63.159.74.213)

Emily Latella

Ann: what's all this about the days when there were bags of potato chips with guns inside? How horrible!

Oh...never mind...

Posted on Tue Jan 29 15:09:03 CET 2002 from 1cust95.tnt4.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.110.95)

Hi

Rich, Dave Edmunds and his tight band actually played in your area Hyde Park/Staatsburg in the early eighties in a club. They were excellent, covered NRBQ's "Me and the Boys" but were extremely loud..my ears rang for hours.That late 70's early eighties Nick Lowe, Graham Parker, early Costello period had some great music.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 14:16:04 CET 2002 from 64-80-53-116-access.surferz.net (64.80.53.116)

Diamond Lil

Jenny: Loved your last post, and I agree with you. Damn the designer shoes and into the creek!
Rick, I think got his love of nature from spending so much of his youth outdoors. He grew up on a farm, his family was poor, and he just developed an appreciation for the 'little' things in life. I remember going to his house several years ago and being greeted by geese (which chased me and made him laugh). And then by dogs (hmm.. he would've fit right in with the latest gb thread :-) He took in strays, fed and played with all the neighbors animals, and used to send boxes of biscuits home with me (no..not for a snack while driving..) for _my_ dog.(And cookies for the kids sometimes too). He was truly a caring and gentle man..who liked to watch sunsets and listen to the birds sing.

Sigh. Tears in my eyes. I miss him.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 13:52:15 CET 2002 from (216.5.93.79)

Jenny T

Laura: Because my husband is a BIG Nick Lowe/Dave Edmunds fan, I can tell you that (I Love the Sound of) Breaking Glass is from Jesus of Cool. It is also on The Best of Nick Lowe and 16 All-time Lowes. It is a great song.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 06:03:04 CET 2002 from tayhou-207-218-205-127.ev1.net (207.218.205.127)

Laura Holt Lorfing

Hello Band buddies. It's been a long time! I was scrolling along and saw "J Quest's" mention of Nick Lowe and "Rockpile". I haven't thought about them in a long time! I always liked "Sounds of breaking glass"(I think that's the name of the song??) and heard it for the first time in years last week on a college station hear in Houston. Whenever I mention Nick Lowe to anyone I always get "Who"?? Does anyone know what album that song was off of because I would like to get it. I'm sure it was off of his solo stuff after Rockpile but I could be wrong. Hello to Donna in PA! I loved hearing about the Barnburner show you saw a few weeks back. You lucky girl! I have more pics. of Rhett to send to you. PEACE ALL! :)

Posted on Tue Jan 29 05:16:33 CET 2002 from spider-wi071.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.51)

Bayou Sam

Beatles = "Three Cool Cats" (sung by George)

and Bad Bad Leroy Brown was meaner than a junkyard dog. (I know - I'm reaching now).

Posted on Tue Jan 29 03:16:52 CET 2002 from dialup-209.244.75.147.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net (209.244.75.147)

J Qwest

On Nick Lowe: He referred to certain of his songs having a "dog-like" groove. I think I know what he means & I believe songs like "7 Nights to Rock" & "Shting Shtang" have that groove. It's like the jungle-beat rockabilly thing Levon is so good at. Something nasty/sexual is there in both styles. Mojo mag is mad for Nick Lowe giving him 6th or 7th best record of '01. There are loads of connections & respect between Nick & The Band. Levon was on the recent (and lousy) Nick Lowe tribute record.

Posted on Tue Jan 29 00:03:44 CET 2002 from raindel.jvlnet.com (216.145.200.249)

Ann

So...anyone remember when you could get 45's in bags of potato chips? The real thing, not cardboard. Ahhhh...the good old days.

Posted on Mon Jan 28 23:30:31 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

"The Dogs on Main Street howl, 'cause they understand, if I could take one moment into my hands....."(Bruce Springsteen - Promised Land) "Well it must be the same old thing that makes a tomcat fight all night..." "Well it must be the same old thing that makes a bulldog love a hound..." (The Band - Same Thing)

Posted on Mon Jan 28 22:18:49 CET 2002 from pool-141-153-194-135.mad.east.verizon.net (141.153.194.135)

Bumbles

Ted Hawkins, "Bad Dog"

Holy Modal Rounders, "Snappin' Pussy"

Posted on Mon Jan 28 22:03:26 CET 2002 from dialin-1457-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.6.187)

Gene

Beatles - Leave My Kitten Alone

Posted on Mon Jan 28 21:56:06 CET 2002 from pub31.lrc.swt.edu (147.26.108.145)

Pehr

Lightnin' Hopkins, "Can I Play with your Poodle"

Posted on Mon Jan 28 21:03:30 CET 2002 from dialup-259.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.3)

Hank

OK, Rich.......I heard Rockpiles' "Crawling from The Wreckage" at a disco after a wedding.....Hipper-than-Thou DJs playing rock'n'roll'n'soul for an hour or so to get people grooving before plunging headlong into TechnoDanceHell.....I saw 'em play third on the bill to Status Quo and Judas Priest in Dublin in '79...I was 16 and metallic in outlook but I remember thinking they were the best band there that day........that was the year I first saw TLW, too..........

Posted on Mon Jan 28 20:59:05 CET 2002 from (4.20.68.20)

Rich

Bill: I don't have either of the CDs you referred to. I got familiar with Dave around the Rockpile period, coming through the Nick Lowe connection. Always liked the "I Hear You Rockin" live album, and I will look into the others. Didn't realize until recently that he's also worked with the Everly Bros and Fabulous Thunderbirds, among others. He's had quite a career. Thanks.

Posted on Mon Jan 28 20:35:06 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Rich, I listed "Forms and Feelings" as one of my alltime top 10 on this guestbook a little while ago, if that counts. Do you have the Geoff Edmunds CD on Pacemaker, which Dave guests on, as do Phil Chapman and Aynsley Dunbar?

Posted on Mon Jan 28 20:05:03 CET 2002 from (4.20.68.20)

Rich

Although I think this thread has gone way too far, I just thought of a song I got a big kick out of when Dr. John did it last year at BB King's - "How Come My Dog Don't Bark When You Come Around?"

Tried to start a Dave Edmunds thing last week, but no one bit. Saw him at the Bottom Line Friday night. Gave it an A for guitar work, but a D for the set list. Outside of "I Knew the Bride" and a brief "I Hear You Knockin'", he was clearly not interested in playing a lot of his stuff from the 70's that most of the crowd came to hear.

Raises a question about a star's obligation to deliver what the crowd signed up for, versus what he's interested in playing right now. This is not a guy who's been on the road for 200 nights a year for the last 20 years, so would it have been really hard for him to play "Crawlin' from the Wreckage", "Girls Talk", "Singin' the Blues", etc?

Don't get me wrong, he did some really good country-based guitar instrumentals, Chet Atkins, Jerry Reed songs, and some good covers of "Here Comes the Sun" and "The Wanderer", but a lot of the crowd went home without hearing what they really came to hear. A little bit aggravating.

Posted on Mon Jan 28 20:05:05 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Thanks, Matt. I don't know how I missed it, or the link to "Let It Rock". I second Peter's emotions on the quality of the thing. In answer to his questions, 1) Who licenses out these things?, and 2) Do they get paid for it?, the answers would seem to be 1) Steve Thompson, and 2) yes. As I understand it, Thompson was Hawkins' manager from the '70s until 1995, not too long after the 60th birthday thing earlier that year. I guess he took the rights to the recordings with him when he and Hawkins parted company, and has leased the tapes to the budget label people. Although he's not mentioned on "Rock 'N' Roll Greats", he is listed as the rights holder on the other two CDs I mentioned.

By the way, the lame "official" Ronnie Hawkins website - at http://www.pipcom.com/~thehawk/ - tells us that "Ronnie Hawkins has been managed exclusively by Ronnie Hawkins Promotions out of Peterborough, Ontario, since September 1995."

Posted on Mon Jan 28 19:58:25 CET 2002 from spider-wo082.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.57)

Charlie Young

Jenny: now that you mention it, I am reminded that in a lot of ways I really owe my BA in English to Bob Dylan. I wrote a major piece on his lyrics (and then early Springsteen) myself and thereafter peppered papers with quotes from Van the Man and Robbie whenever I could...

Posted on Mon Jan 28 19:39:41 CET 2002 from 66-106-4-126.customer.algx.net (66.106.4.126)

MattK

Bill, the estimable Peter Viney provided a short bit of information on that CD, here: http://theband.hiof.no/albums/rock_n_roll_greats.html

Posted on Mon Jan 28 19:13:06 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Killing time at the mall on Saturday, waiting for my wife to do whatever it is that wives do at malls, I picked through the CDs in the bargain bins. I picked up "Rock 'N' Roll Greats", taped at Ronnie Hawkins' 60th birthday extravaganza at Massey Hall in Toronto a few years ago. The CD includes truncated versions of songs by Jerry Lee Lewis, Ronnie Hawkins, Lawrence Gowan and the Band. Luckily, although "Remedy" is cut, "The Weight" and "Rock And Roll Shoes" aren't. Presumably our guys are helping out on "Bo Diddley" and "Who Do You Love". I thought the info for this was somewhere on this site's discography, but couldn't find it. (Label info: Delta Music CD6164, 1999).

The same store had two other CDs, each of which contained part of the above. "Revvin' It Up" (Direct Source HH60472, 1998) has the Band doing "Rock And Roll Shoes" and Hawkins doing "Bo Diddley". "Feels So Good" (Direct Source CT60442, 1998) has "Remedy" by the Band and "Who Do You Love" by Hawkins.

Posted on Mon Jan 28 18:08:34 CET 2002 from (216.5.93.89)

Jenny T

As an English major at Chicago (where I wrote my BA paper about Robbie Robertson's lyrics) I slogged through plenty of Shakespeare. I took one course where we read 13 plays in 10 weeks and thought I would die. It is funny how Chaucer is so much easier to read once you get used to Middle English.

The weird thing is I became an English major after seeing Rick and Levon play. In fact I changed my whole life around after seeing them, which sounds crazy but really isn't. I was a behavioral sciences major, because I thought this would be practical in terms of getting a job after college--I wanted to be independent. But I hated behav sci, and loved English, and when I saw Rick and Levon in the spring of '83, and the joy they had in making music, I decided to follow my joy.

I also dumped my boring boyfriend, because as you know from watching TLW there is such a thing as too much fun, but of course there is also such a thing as not enough fun. Especially when you are 20.

Sadly Muddy Waters died around that time, and some friends and I went to a tribute at Buddy Guy's Checkerboard Lounge. The next day my picture was on the front page of the Tempo section of the Tribune which covered the event, sitting on the lap of a guy who was just my friend because there were just not enough chairs for everyone. Needless to say this peeved my grumpy old boyfriend, and I would have felt sorry for him except he was not very nice. Eventually I did go out with the very nice guy in the picture (a bass player, natch) and he is still my friend.

But the real reason I got back onto the GB today is because these freakishly warm winters kill me, and days like today (62 degrees and sunny in freaking January in Cincy) make me worry about ecological collapse and all. Sometimes I play A Change Is Gonna Come when I get worked up about these things, even though I know Sam Cooke wrote it with different struggles in mind.

I would like to ask those who knew Rick where his understanding of the importance of environmental health came from. Was it born of a respect for the land that his parents engendered? He seemed to have an appreciation for the beauty of nature, and a compassion for other creatures. One story that sticks in my mind is from Levon's book, where I think Libby Titus talks about how he wanted to show her a creek and she had some designer shoes on, and didn't want to see it. Frankly I could be in love in about 5 minutes with someone who looked like Rick and thought it was important to see a certain spot on a creek, but to each her own.

Posted on Mon Jan 28 18:05:17 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

MattK - Funny you should mention Terry Jacks, as Eugene Smith mentioned him in passing during his gig at the Blue Goose just yesterday. Jacks issued four 45s by Eugene on his Goldfish label in the mid '70s. Eugene, as I've said before, used to guest occasionally with Hawkins, Levon and the Hawks in the early '60s, and would eventually join Hawkins as singer/harmonicist from '65 to '67 (when his spot was filled by King Biscuit Boy). In my opinion he and Robbie Robertson are Toronto's greatest gifts to the pop/rock world, so seeing them together back then must've been really something.

Speaking of the Blue Goose Sunday matinee, Rod Phillips of the Pie Guys, who act as the houseband, did a wonderful, soulful, slowed-down version of "The Shape I'm In" yesterday; presumably he sings it that way pretty regularly. They've also done "The Weight" occasionally, but using the Band's arrangement. Eugene didn't sing any Band songs, though he did sing a bit of "Little Liza Jane" during a juice harp solo.

MattK also mentioned Gilbert O'Sullivan's "Get Down", which, like Rolf Harris's "Tie Me Kangaroo Down", was banned in some places as obscene. Which brings us to Nancy's question why Americans are fascinated by kangaroos. Probably something to do with the fact that they, like we up here, don't have them. Of course the happy corollary is that they, unlike Australians, don't shoot them for drunken sport!

Posted on Mon Jan 28 17:30:01 CET 2002 from raindel.jvlnet.com (216.145.200.249)

Ann

Nobody mentioned Nancy Sinatra's big hit "People won't you leave my dog alone"! Wow...can't believe that. Goes like this..."People won't you leave my dog alone...people won't you leave my dog alone...all he ever did...was wag his tail...people why'd you have to throw my dog in jail". Got the 45 in a bag of potato chips!!!

Posted on Mon Jan 28 16:50:11 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

The vinyl LP set of the Dylan "Masterpieces" compilation definitely sounds better than the 3-CD version. The Dylan/Hawks rendition of "Just Like Tom Thumbs Blues", recorded in Liverpool on the '66 tour, originally appeared on the B-side of Dylan's "I Want You" 45 single (mono).

Speaking of 45's -- while combing through a stack of dusty 45's, at a used record store Saturday, I scored a copy of the Jackie DeShannon single of "The Weight". A nice, soulful version.

Posted on Mon Jan 28 16:36:39 CET 2002 from dsl-64-130-114-106.telocity.com (64.130.114.106)

Crazy Chester

Anyone have the lyrics to "Book faded Brown" from Jubilation? They aren't on the site.

Posted on Mon Jan 28 16:29:26 CET 2002 from spider-te032.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.187)

Donna

I was unable to come up with any new songs relating to cats or dogs. I did however, find this:

As there is no firm reason to be render'd,

Why he cannot abide a gaping pig;

Why he, a harmless necessary cat;

Why he, a woollen bag-pipe; but of force

Must yield to such inevitable shame

"Merchant of Venice" - William Shakespeare

What great pictures of Levon Helm at The Bronx Zoo! Always with a big smile on his face. Thank you Joe Lore and Alex Layman.

Charlie Young: In the "Going Home" video, did you happen to see the return of the fly, when Scorsese and Robbie, were talking in that empty restaurant?

Posted on Mon Jan 28 16:19:05 CET 2002 from host-65.subnet-76.med.umich.edu (141.214.76.65)

Steve Knowlton

I haven't seen Lurmann's "Romeo & Juliet", but I was thoroughly entranced with "Moulin Rouge" (which, by the way, makes extensive use of "Silly Love Songs" in an utterly sincere way). The original Romeo & Juliet is not exactly great art in the same sense as Shakespeare's best work (basically, it's soap opera in pentameter) so I don't see the harm in making a flashy film out of it. In fact, judging from "Moulin Rouge", I think a Lurmann film would be very suitable for it. I wouldn't want to see "Macbeth" or "The Tempest" done up like that, though.

Posted on Mon Jan 28 14:41:44 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

Robert Johnson's "Hellhound On My Trail"..only mentioned because Johnson's so important to the rock and roll era.

Posted on Mon Jan 28 14:29:05 CET 2002 from (216.5.93.100)

Jenny T

Well everyone is probably tired of this whole dog thing, but I thought it couldn't end without mention of Led Zeppelin's Bron-y-aur Stomp, which is a great sounding song and is maybe the best expression of dog appreciation ever: "a friendship so pure."

I also want to say that Justin Timberlake is way too pretty to play Bob.

And lastly yesterday I watched most of a very predictable movie called Shout and starring John Travolta. He was supposed to be the music teacher at a reform school in the fifties who turns the kids on to rock and roll. At one point they are listening to an underground radio show and what does the DJ play but something of Robbie's from the '80s--maybe Fallen Angel. It was totally anacronistic (though so were the girls' hairstyles) but it woke me up. There was another RR song in the credits which went by at lightening speed and which I must have missed in the movie. This may be ancient history for the GB, since the movie was from 1991, so sorry if it has already been mentioned.

Posted on Mon Jan 28 14:10:05 CET 2002 from spider-wg034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.34)

Brien Sz

Personally, Shakespere bores me. I have tried numerous times to read Shakespere's plays and sonnets and i must say, it drives me to tears with its endless ramblings. I've tried to watch just about all the movies.., Much Ado About Nothing with Kenneth Brannagh and Emma Thompson was about the only one I could make heads or tales of..., Rosencrantz and Gildensteen (sic?) Are Dead was the best of the lot and that is an off shoot of Hamlet. Not even Shakespere. I just miss the point of it I guess - It's probably the language, all that.., "And by the crows shadow, thou mustith seen the ghost of my mothers bosom at dawns last break--hark for tis the coming of thine o' blessed crown, lest some other jabber continue on endlessly..," Anyway, MTV must have corrupted me. Funny though, I don't watch MTV BUT the Simpsons Rule!

Of course there was no relevant point to this post, just an exercise in the theatre of the absurd I guess..,

Posted on Mon Jan 28 13:51:03 CET 2002 from 002.bun0104.bun.iprimus.net.au (203.134.145.2)

Nancy

Ben: at least the two hours the said kids are watching pseudo "Romeo and Juliet" is two hours they're not watching MTV. What's the interest you Americans seem to have in kangaroos anyway?? Most Australians find the furry animals very irrelevant to their daily lives, and that goes for me too. I also don't get into public name calling, nor do my kids; we've all managed to get by without it since junior primary.

Posted on Mon Jan 28 08:51:40 CET 2002 from (194.100.60.131)

Kalervo

The late great Slim Gaillard made a hilarious song about poodles....

Oh it hurts that no one here reacted my Van Dyke Parks praise...To me he is a giant in American music like Duke Ellington, Brian Wilson, John Coltrane etc...

Brown Eyed Girl: I can' t wait to get Toronto. And see you!..Maybe I even start to support Maple Leafs! Alberta has been closer to me because my cousin (whom I have never met)is living there...And the glory days of Edmonton Oilers were so close to us Finns because of Jari Kurri, Esa Tikkanen and Reijo Ruotsalainen...

Posted on Mon Jan 28 08:35:16 CET 2002 from spider-wj052.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.42)

Ben Pike

Nacaroo, if you get a kid into BL's "Romeo and Juliet" you are not getting said kid into Shakespeare at all. In fact, you are probably just chipping away at an already hopelessly raped attention span, ravaged by crap like M.T.V., that will make it that much harder should said individual ever make the EFFORT (yes, sometimes art does take some, and pays back in spectacular dividens) to actually enjoy the real thing.

A possibly even worse offender is Hollywood nitwit Al Pacino and his inane film, "Looking For Richard." How to get contemporary audience to "Richard III", when it's just too damn hard. Al's answer? just film all the juciest scenes with big stars, including, in some ludicrous sequences, Beverly Hills five finger discount queen Wynonna Ryder.

WHAT THE HELL IS SO HARD ABOUT ENJOYING RICHARD III? You won't get it all in one sitting, but the guy was, you know, a genius and all, so you can check it out and get a little deeper into the play. Baz and Al trivialize these works; and the teenage girls getting damp for Leo could care less about Shakespeare.

Posted on Mon Jan 28 07:37:36 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-2nd-24-31-154-102.maine.rr.com (24.31.155.102)

MattK

Gilbert O' Sullivan ("Alone Again, Naturally), had a song on (I think) his first (perhaps only?) album, titled "Get Down," that covers both Cats and Dogs.

like a cat on a hot tin roof
tell me, baby what you think you're doin' to me
I told you once before
but I won't tell you no more
Get down, get down, get down
You're a bad dog, baby...

Ok, it violates my own rule, but I could not resist annoying the purists by interjecting Gilbert O' Sullivan into the mix. Now if I could only get Terry Jacks mention...oh wait, I just did...

Posted on Mon Jan 28 06:44:26 CET 2002 from dialup-305.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.49)

Hank

I am honored to have a dog in NYC named after me......just feed him.....whenever you can.....YEAH!

Posted on Mon Jan 28 04:57:38 CET 2002 from spider-tk072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.207)

butch

FIRST NOTICE-------------------------

Levon & The BarnBurners ,, this sat , the 2nd of FEB,,,,

AT the TURNING POINT,,,,in Piermont NY, {near Nyack }

two shows,, 8 & 1030,,,,

an intimate small acoustic-type room,, very cozy for live music,,,

Hope to see you there,, Bill ? Mike ? Jon ? JL,,,?

n,, The BarnBurners were never better,, \ COME ON OUT & CATCH THE SHOW !!!!!

see ya there,,, butch

Posted on Sun Jan 27 23:18:18 CET 2002 from spider-tr024.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.184)

franko

10 point underDOG Patriots 24 -17!

Posted on Sun Jan 27 23:06:11 CET 2002 from cpe0000e8c550f8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.156.144)

Jerry Tenenbaum

Oh yeah. Ted Nugent - Cat Scratch Fever

Josie and The Pussycats

Mad Dogs and Englishmen and

the dog that sings with Bob Dylan repeatedly on "Every Grain of Sand" /cut 6 disc 3/ The Bootleg Series 1991. Some think he really added to that song.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 22:58:44 CET 2002 from du-tele3-036.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.36)

Peter Viney

B.E.G. gets the award for most obvious one we missed in Coyote Dance. Dog Eat Dog - Joni Mitchell used that one too. Um, 'I'll Be Doggone" Marvin Gaye? Or is it getting silly?

Posted on Sun Jan 27 21:40:36 CET 2002 from cpe0000e8c550f8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.156.144)

Jerry Tenenbaum

Shadow, my Siberian husky, reminded me that dogs have a prominent role in band names. He reminded me of 1. Three Dog Night 2. Bonzo Dog Band 3. Bow Wow Wow 4. Ruff Trade (or was that Rough Trade with Carol Pope) 5. Mother Love Bone (his personal favourite) He said he's still thinking about this and will let me know if he comes up with any more. He will also try to 'chase' up Cat Mother and the All Nite News Boys, Cat Stevens, but will avoid Mama Lion and of course, the Tokens. By the way, he also asked me if 'Dog Eat Dog' by Fagen/Becker (from the film"You've Got To Walk It Like You Talk It") was a metaphor and if so, could I tell him what it meant?

Posted on Sun Jan 27 20:56:16 CET 2002 from cpe0000e8c550f8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.156.144)

Jerry Tenenbaum

Peter Viney noted: "I prefer the smaller chunks of focus. John Bauldie and Patrick Humphries’ “Oh No, Not Another Bob Dylan Book”, John Bauldie’s two compilations of articles from “The Telegraph”, C.P. Lee’s two studies of the 1966 tour and Dylan’s films, and Andy Gill’s variously titled “Don’t Think Twice- The Story Behind Every Song” (US title). I’m currently reading the excellent compilation of articles and interviews from ISIS magazine, “The ISIS Anthology”. I’d agree that the definitive one isn’t there yet, but on the restricted period that interests me most, Andy Gill and C.P. Lee are pretty damn good. The late John Bauldie was the guy who could have written it. A man of perception (he was one of the first to say ‘Hey, hang on, side 2 of Stage Fright is as good as the first two albums’) and also an extremely nice person, unlike one or two of the other scribes. It’s fascinating to see that there’s still no definitive agreed position on the stuff that should interest us most here, 65-68. Krosgaard in ‘The Telegraph’ series exhuming the tape boxes and session notes, and Heylin disagree on who did what, and Heylin is too anti-Robbie for my taste"

I agree with everything you have said. If one wishes real insight, the articles in the volumes mentioned are well worth reading. The late John Bauldie was THE class act. The anthologies offer snapshots of ideas and periods and events.

For the individual who thought that maybe a dramatization of Bob Dylan's life might be in order, in my opinion, that should NOT be a consideration. TV tends to trivialize and even movies have trouble with living biography. Maybe in fifty years or so, when people might need to be reminded of what counted in the second half of thetwentieth century artistically. Leave the trivialities for others. What might be interesting is a documentary depicting the peaks and valleys of this brilliant career. But it should be done by someone who knows how to make documentaries and who appreciates the artof a rensaissance man. It should be done by someone who has the perspective to understand the impact of lyrical brilliance and of the ability to present that brilliance in unique and variable ways. .

Posted on Sun Jan 27 20:37:06 CET 2002 from du-tele3-050.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.50)

Peter Viney

Charlie: “George Jackson (Big Band Version)” appears on a Columbia (Sony) Australia 3 CD set “Masterpieces”. This used to be an expensive way of getting rarities, but the price has gone down recently. The set also includes the 1966 Liverpool B-side of The Hawks doing ‘Just like Tom Thumb’s Blues’ as well as the single of ‘Rita May’ (Desire out take?), and the singles Positively 4th Street, Can You please Crawl Out Your window? and Mixed Up Confusion. It’s a good compilation which ends with ‘Desire’ tracks. Actually it lacks the clean remastered sound of recent compilations, but the track listing (including also Tears of rage, I Shall be released) is better than most.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 20:13:46 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

...oh yeah MattK..ask any woman if that song's not about a "real" dog? You can even hear them barkin' in the background...and mama does a little barkin' too. I like her version better than Elvis's anyway.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 19:39:47 CET 2002 from 3cust127.tnt30.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.79.127)

Crabgrass

Wow!! Just when I thought the "dog" thread had run it's course someone comes up with a great twist - different recorded versions of dog songs already mentioned!!

Dylan's memoirs should be interesting reading should he ever actually finish them. I recall him telling the press early on in his career that he was "working on 4 novels" none of which were ever published to my knowledge unless you want to count the inscrutable "Tarantula."

I also find it interesting that there have been dozens of dramatizations concerning the Beatles (movies, TV movies, plays) but absolutely none concerning Dylan - at least as far as I know. Yet there are scores of books about both. Personally, I would like to see a made for TV movie starring Justin Timberlake as Bob. He's got the right hair for the role and is a modern day pop icon. Timberlake has already demonstrated his acting abilities by portraying the young Elton John in a recent video and would help expose Dylan to the younger generation.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 19:01:26 CET 2002 from du-tele3-116.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.116)

Peter Viney

Jerry Tennenbaum’s short guide to the big Dylan biographies is excellent and concise. The only ones I’d add are smaller and less comprehensive, but I prefer the smaller chunks of focus. John Bauldie and Patrick Humphries’ “Oh No, Not Another Bob Dylan Book”, John Bauldie’s two compilations of articles from “The Telegraph”, C.P. Lee’s two studies of the 1966 tour and Dylan’s films, and Andy Gill’s variously titled “Don’t Think Twice- The Story Behind Every Song” (US title). I’m currently reading the excellent compilation of articles and interviews from ISIS magazine, “The ISIS Anthology”. I’d agree that the definitive one isn’t there yet, but on the restricted period that interests me most, Andy Gill and C.P. Lee are pretty damn good. The late John Bauldie was the guy who could have written it. A man of perception (he was one of the first to say ‘Hey, hang on, side 2 of Stage Fright is as good as the first two albums’) and also an extremely nice person, unlike one or two of the other scribes. It’s fascinating to see that there’s still no definitive agreed position on the stuff that should interest us most here, 65-68. Krosgaard in ‘The Telegraph’ series exhuming the tape boxes and session notes, and Heylin disagree on who did what, and Heylin is too anti-Robbie for my taste.

On which, any opinions on “A Tree with Roots”? At the last record fair (last week) two dealers said they’d had it but weren’t restocking it but because it wasn’t any better than the “Genuine Basement Tapes” series. Any views?

Posted on Sun Jan 27 18:59:01 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-2nd-24-31-154-243.maine.rr.com (24.31.154.243)

MattK

My game. My rules. Rule #1 was "hound dog" doesn't count. The original pre-dates the rock era, and it's not really about a dog anyway).

Posted on Sun Jan 27 18:51:31 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-ta081.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.56)

Charlie Young

Wasn't "Bitch" by the Stones about a dog? No?

Seriously, I have a question about a Dylan song that I own on the orginal 45 rpm release, but--as far as I know--was never released on subsequent LP or CD collections. The song was titled "George Jackson" and in many ways foreshadowed his later, better-known song called "Hurricane." I wonder if Dylan or Sony/Columbia didn't think the song worthy of reissue or maybe the use of an obscene word or two had something to do with it. Or is it available somewhere outside of the US?

Posted on Sun Jan 27 18:28:57 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

I think y'all forgot to mention Big Mama Thorton's version of "You Ain't Nothin' but a Hound Dog"

Posted on Sun Jan 27 18:23:15 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-2nd-24-31-154-243.maine.rr.com (24.31.154.243)

MattK

I dunno, while Rick could sing seemingly everything well, I can distinctly hear Richard doing Sir Paul's "My Love" in that high falsetto...

Posted on Sun Jan 27 18:21:45 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp70531.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.193.118)

brown eyed girl

Whenever I'm in Stratford, Ontario I think of Richard Manuel's hometown.....yes.....I will always remember him for his soulfulness and acute sensitivity....He is definitely a Canadian jewel....I need to hear more music that he made....Why is it not available? Whenever I watch TLW it is Richard I am listening and watching.....as much that is available ....especially during I Shall Be Released....although Dylan wrote the song....I think it is Richard who really FELT and NEEDED to sing this song.....just like WHISPERING PINES....Manuel and Robertson....Perhaps if he had written more...............I have heard that he wasn't happy with the reformed Band's lack of original material....

The Stratford Festival in Richard's hometown....The first time I visited the Theatre was in highschool where I saw....TAMING OF THE SHREW..Hmmm...;-D

Kalervo: Since I studied Latin for a couple of years as well....A trip to Toronto's Royal Ontario Museum was a treat for a small city person....unfortunately I can only remember the first conjugation....lol....You'll be pleased to know that none of my musical dinosaurs were there!!....When you and Katri come to Toronto in a few years I will look forward to your positive vibe in the city....The picture from Moondog Matinee is just two streets over from where I live....however....now there's an African and Coffee shop instead on the corner of the street...But maybe by then I will have moved to RIVERDALE instead!..:-D

I visited GARTH'S hometown of London, Ontario it seemed for weddings, Story Book Gardens and friends who attended The University of Western Ontario....:-D...Here's hoping GARTH and The Crowmatix will finally make it back home....or at least to The Small Apple this year!

Hmmm.....Italians....like Francis Ford CoPPala like two P's....

Here's some more for the cat and dog police....;-D
LION King Soundtrack
This CAT's On A Hot Tin Roof....Brian Setzer Orchestra
China CAT Sunflower....Grateful Dead and Phish
What's New PussyCAT?....Tom Jones
Stray CAT Strut....Stray CATS
Pink PANTHER Theme....Mancini

COYOTE DANCE....ROBBIE ROBERTSON
Snopp DOG....Gangsta Party....;-D...nooooo I don't have that one....but I do like some of Tupac's work
Three DOG Night....fave....Mama Told Me Not To Come
Hair of the DOG....Nazareth
FAVE TITLE....Bad DOG No Biscuits....Cowboy Bebop

Many THANKS to Jerry from TORONTO for the Dylan search on CATS and DOGS....I guess you're a huuuuuuge Dylan fan like myself....:-D

Btw....I heard Paul recently gave up ganja....

Posted on Sun Jan 27 17:22:44 CET 2002 from spider-tl012.proxy.aol.com (152.163.207.177)

JTull Fan

I think Dr. Morphines been reading too much Penthouse Forum! Lil: I would listen to Rick sing the alphabet Song! You're right about it being Lionel Ritchie. Just wish I could have heard Rick perform the bass line from the McCartney version. The Band as dogs? I think Richard would have made a great Old-Englishe Sheepdog, with his flowing, scraggly hair and 'beak'. Garth would make a good Shetland Sheepdog, Rick I would just replace with that dog he had in the late 60's, Levon a bloodhound, and Robbie...how about a coiffered French Poodle, given his stylish haircuts! PV: on an earlier thread you mentioned Supertramp and Al Stewart. Al is opening on a Supertramp tour this coming summer.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 17:14:24 CET 2002 from cpe0000e8c550f8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.156.144)

Jerry Tenenbaum

Response to H.Evans of Alabama:

I don't think the definitive biography/book dealing with the life, times and artistry of Bob Dylan has yet been written. Robert Shelton certainly was there at the start and I think his perceptions of 1960 to the 1970s are worth considering definitive. Scaduto has written effectively of this period as well. Heylin's books give further insights and Sounes is good. I care little for Spitz, finding it lacking in some regards. Sounes is 'Dylan for the masses'. The definitive Dylan, especially with regard to his renaissance of 1995 to the present, has yet to be written. For an understanding of performances, I refer you to Paul Williams. (A work on performances (current) will soon be available.) For authorative analysis, please consider Michael Gray. For something of potential interest, Mr. Dylan himself is working on his recollections and ideally will concentrate on what counts, the art of his performances and his writing. Finally, there are many Dylan sites on the internet which can give the interested reader further insights. Hope this helps a little.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 16:53:45 CET 2002 from spider-wk033.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.163)

h evans

A true story from the Bridgeport, Alabama newspaper. A woman calls the city, "would y'all please come get this dog out of my yard"? The city replies, "we're sorry, we only remove dead animals". The woman says thank you, and hangs up. A few minutes later the same woman calls the city and asks, "would y'all come get this dead dog out of my yard"? On a serious note, in preparation of seeing Dylan on 2/9, I have just finished reading "No Direction Home, the life and music of Bob Dylan", by Robert Shelton, and "Down the Highway, the life of Bob Dylan", by Howard Sounes, and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on either book. While "No Direction Home" is a more "scholarly" book, I personally enjoyed "Down the Highway" better. It had a lot more coverage of the Band. I also found it to be an easier read.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 12:40:08 CET 2002 from du-tele3-093.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.93)

Peter Viney

First, “Walter Mitty”: The “review” of Raging Bull is simply notes but had to fit a category. It’s there because a friend asked me about the music, and I looked on this site and I noticed there was nothing on the site because there was never a record released. As “Raging Bull” includes work by Robbie, Garth and Richard I thought it was a definite hole in the information here and I filled it. None of the info is in print on my copy, but it appears in the end credits and I checked a couple of interviews. It may well be on the DVD. I got the “Cues” credit to Garth from the ASCAP site. Nothing original, but it does take time and effort to compile existing information and put it somewhere useful (as your old buddy Hoskyns did so well).

Ben – I think my old Prof’s view of Shakespeare as an inveterant crowd pleaser is questionable too (but he wasn’t alone). He was good on Shakespeare though. I always loved his dismissal of ALL open-air productions as “Whimsy-cult in the Wet”. On Baz’s Romeo and Juliet, I’d not only endorse it but own a copy on video, and nearly re-bought it on DVD in the January sales. I don’t see where it’s ‘dumbed down’ at all. For those pondering the relevance, remember that Stratford Ontario was Richard’s town and the site I believe of a Shakespeare festival. What I think is poor Shakespeare is filmed theatre, the worst offender being Olivier’s “Othello” which I would nominate for the worst Shakespeare film of all time. I think the bard would appreciate the efforts to make a film, rather than film a play – the Russian “Hamlet” even does it beautifully without the words. Never seen that on DVD or video.

Nancy- I think I’ve always seen ‘crapola’ written with one ‘p’ but I agree that all the precedents and spelling /pronunciation habits suggest it should be two ‘p’s.

Just re-read Dr Morphine’s post and am still chuckling. So how did he get from Brian Auger to The Band (OK, via This Wheel’s On Fire, but what next?)

Posted on Sun Jan 27 12:39:31 CET 2002 from (64.80.240.52)

Diamond Lil

JTullFan: (Hi!)..I'm a bit behind here, but I just read your post about your disappointment in seeing "My Love" on the track list for Danko/Manuel 'Live at O'Tooles'. That tune is in fact, A Lionel Richie tune, not a Kenny Rogers tune.. and Rick did it often. I have about 6 or 7 different versions of it on tape here.. and I think he did it beautifully. It was also a favorite of his son Eli's, who had a tendency to get distracted while dad was onstage, but always looked up and listened when Rick did that tune. Rick usually did it for him. (And Eli, btw, also loved 'chain gang'..and always laughed alot doing the 'ooh-aah' part backstage with Rick :-) What a nice memory...

I'd like to wish a belated (through no fault of mine :-) anniversary to my dear friends Garth and Maud Hudson. Love you both alot!

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 08:10:10 CET 2002 from i153-160.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.153.160)

Nancy

Ben: A couple of thoughts on your description of Baz Luhrman as vacuous and trendy. Is this opinion based on his innovative film "Romeo and Juliet", or do you know Baz on a more personal level??

I've had two experiences of the film. The first is that it doesn't appeal to me either, so we may be in agreement in terms of taste. But the second experience has been that I have found that kids will watch it, and then re-watch it, and then watch it again. They may identify with the contemporary setting, which enables them to experience a version of Shakespeare that doen't feel too alien to them.

How many of these kids would ever hear or see any interpretations Shakespeare's work if it wasn't for film? How many of them would sit through a traditional interpretation of that work?? A few maybe. Isn't bringing Shakespeare to the youngest members of our society an achievement worthwhile of mention, rather than criticism based on personal taste? No film will please everyone in an audience, but this doesn't necessarily make it empty, unintelligent crapola either.

BTW does crapola have two p's or one? I've used one as a personal energy saving exercise.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 07:49:06 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-85.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.85)

MattK

Gee, Crab, I'm a bit surprised that you're so opposed to a little harmless fun.

Maybe you could come up with a list of "dog songs that suck."

Posted on Sun Jan 27 07:18:11 CET 2002 from 3cust121.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.95.121)

Crabgrass

Apologies for mentioning "Old Shep" which was mentioned previously. I've had a ruff day. Obviously a dog song directory is needed on the site which I'm sure the webmaster is already busy working on!!

Posted on Sun Jan 27 07:17:14 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-85.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.85)

Doctor Hugo Hollingshead

Give it up, Serge.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 07:00:39 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

Wow Morphine...what a childhood ! How about "I Just Shot My Dog " Nobody wrote it.... I'm just gonna do it. He's getting very suspicious.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 06:49:27 CET 2002 from 3cust121.tnt52.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.95.121)

Crabgrass

This is getting doggone ridiculous!! How about Red Foley's song "Old Shep" - a real tearjerker recorded by many artists including Elvis? Also, Tymon Dogg's song "Dog Dirt On Your Shoe?" (a favorite of mine), the Incredible String Band's "Puppies" written by Mike Heron not to forget Robin Williamson's "God Dog" on the Chelsea Sessions CD.

Okay, I think that's about it, no? I gotta walk Hank now - oh, yeah - did anyone mention "Walkin' The Dog?"

Posted on Sun Jan 27 05:52:16 CET 2002 from 209-239-198-137.oak.jps.net (209.239.198.137)

Phil

How about Coyote with Joni on TLW? Coyote's are dogs, right? Major Band connection too.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 05:16:09 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-th012.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.22)

Bayou Sam

I always got the impression that Robbie never really got the fly. It was an act. I'm taking the flys side - I'm a flyonian.

"Dog Eat Dog" - Ted Nugent.

I think Pink Floyd had a song called "Dogs" on the Animals album. Also, let's not forget "Jingle Bells" by the Barking Dogs. This may be the only song actually done by dogs.

Hey, let's take this dog thread to a more ridiculous - but fun - level. What if our beloved Band guys were dogs? What kind would they be?

Garth - St. Bernard

Richard - Whippet

Rick - Golden Retriever

Levon - Bloodhound

Robbie - this is a tough one - maybe a Lab.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 05:16:04 CET 2002 from spider-tk052.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.197)

KEVIN BROWN

Can't believe I am buying into this but, this has got to be one of the best song titles ever. By Waylon Jennings,Jerry Reed, Bobby Bare, and Mel Tillis. "We may be old dogs( but we can still bury a bone!)". From the CD "Old Dogs" kjb

Posted on Sun Jan 27 03:43:21 CET 2002 from cpe0000e8c550f8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.156.144)

Jerry Tenenbaum

More Bob Dylan pets(lyrics):

Dogs

1. Tell Me 2. Summer Days 3. Highlands

Cats

1. Driftin'Too Far From Shore 2. 2X2 3. Floater (Too Much To Ask)

Posted on Sun Jan 27 03:21:54 CET 2002 from spider-wi062.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.47)

Ben Pike

Don't mean to be ganging up on PV here, but I should note I find your Profs view of Shakespeare as happy audience appeaser is speculation shared mostly by people eager to dumb him down, see the trendy, vacuous Baz Lareman's "Romeo And Juliet", or, if you're lucky, don't see it.

Did anyone say...."Hound Dog?"

Posted on Sun Jan 27 03:09:16 CET 2002 from hse-toronto-ppp178546.sympatico.ca (64.229.83.135)

Blind Willie McTell

I am still laughing over what Ilkka's dog wrote

'Spaniel, spaniel and the sacred harp'

How about Rufus Thomas doing 'Can Your Monkey Do The Dog'?

Posted on Sun Jan 27 02:33:05 CET 2002 from h66-59-176-158.gtconnect.net (66.59.176.158)

Walter Mitty

Viney, I think senility took you over a long time ago. You're running out of things to say here. Just give it up, and don't embarrass yourself with idiocies like your recent "review" of Raging Bull. We can all read liner notes on CD's or Videos too.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 00:38:33 CET 2002 from 12-243-212-169.client.attbi.com (12.243.212.169)

King Whistle

"Give Me Back My Dog" by Slobberbone off Everything You Thought Was Right Was Wrong Today (New West, 2000). Inspirational Verse: Give me back my dog/Give me back my dog/Give me back my dog/Give me back my dog.

Posted on Sun Jan 27 00:32:14 CET 2002 from (62.98.116.16)

EMANUELE "THE BEARDS"

HI! IN THESE DAYS START THE NEW ITALIAN THE BAND HOMEPAGE, FOR SUPPORT THE SPIRIT OF THE BAND IN ITALY. UP THERE IS THE ADDRESS, IN THESE WEEKS I ACTIVE ALL FUNCTIONS. THANKS !! IF YOU WANT VISIT MY ITALIAN THE BAND HOMEPAGE

Posted on Sat Jan 26 23:59:11 CET 2002 from dialin-1461-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.6.191)

Gene

JRR will offer the fly 'net points' in lieu of re-appearance fees.

Posted on Sat Jan 26 22:11:51 CET 2002 from webcacheh11a.cache.pol.co.uk (195.92.67.75)

Dr.Morphine

When I was a young boy,I remember my Mum used to dance about the house stark naked out of her mind on liquid LSD and loadsa hippies smoked pot all day whilst listening to The Brian Auger Trinity.I remember Let the Sunshine in and my Mum said that Julie Driscoll used to take acid in this huge mansion and walk about naked like her.I will never forget that song.When I was 9 these hippies who knew Kerouacs buddies came to my mums house in London,they had just got back from India and they smoked opium what they brought back and they let me smoke some in this special opium pipe and then they put on the Trinity and I fell into a dream and saw white horses and fire and I went to paradise thru the fire and saw naked women and trees and rivers of milk and honey .It was excellent but when I woke up they had all gone,and Ihavent seen them or my mum since.I think she buggered off to California.I dont know cause I never saw her again and they put me in care and Ive only just got out.What a trip.Far out,as they say.

Posted on Sat Jan 26 21:48:26 CET 2002 from spider-te012.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.177)

Ben Pike

Royal Gaurdsmen: Snoopy's Christmas. Richard Thompson: Henry The Human Fly.

Posted on Sat Jan 26 21:29:34 CET 2002 from dialup-64.158.2.31.dial1.princeton1.level3.net (64.158.2.31)

bassmanlee

Dog Songs: Dog Dreams by the Story (Jonatha Brooke). Inspired by the Far Side cartoon where the dogs steal the car to drive to town and leave the master at home.

In Dust Down a Country Road by John Hiatt, the dog doesn't die in the last verse, but he does contemplate shooting it!

If I had a bullet I'd put it in this gun,
And I'd catch that that old dog nappin'
And I'd shoot him 'fore he'd run,
Cause he ain't much good for nothin',
Cept starin' at the dust'
Lord I wonder what he's lookin' at
Sneakin' up on us...

Posted on Sat Jan 26 21:02:16 CET 2002 from notebk1.wdse.org (131.212.19.70)

Marsen

Greetings to all! Well a couple of nights ago I finally got the last 2 remasters I needed to complete the set. (Stage Fright and Islands)I couldn't get home quick enough! I was like a kid in a candy store, rippin open the new discs, crankin' em up, and studying the liner notes. The bonus tracks are just great, it's so great to hear "new" Band music. As I'm sure many of you would agree one of my favorite treats of all the remasters is Rock of Ages disc 2! I played the whole ROA on December 29,30,and 31st, celebrating 30 years to the night a rock n roll party I would have loved to have been at. On the 31st, I cued up the Genetic Method, and timed it perfectly so that the new year's part started at midnight. Everyone there got a thourough explanation of The Band and their history. Even turned-on a few new Band fans. One even asked to borrow my coveted Brown album. Without saying no, I lent him some tapes instead. I was really pleased to hear lots of Richard on the bonus tracks, and can't wait till more old stuff surfaces! Oh and on the dog thread...If my 2 Black labs could sing, I bet they know the words to any Band song you name, I think they love The Band as much as I do, in fact when I come home sometimes I swear my CD's have been rearranged............

Posted on Sat Jan 26 20:41:32 CET 2002 from du147-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.147)

Ilkka's Dog

"Spaniel, spaniel and the sacred harp
Dancing in the shower.
Spaniel, spaniel would you mind
If I look it over."

Posted on Sat Jan 26 19:45:40 CET 2002 from ipc379a821.dial.wxs.nl (195.121.168.33)

Paul van Zijl

I would like to say that the webmasters and all other persons who created this website have done a wonderfull job. Actually I searched half year ago for music from the band, cause I wanted to cover it with my band. I didn't find anything. Now I was looking for music from the Stones and I saw out of nowere this link. Beautiful, now I think I change my mind and cover the Weight! Many thanks, Paul

Posted on Sat Jan 26 19:32:17 CET 2002 from du-tele3-129.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.129)

Peter Viney

I've been worrying about the fly. I mean, when The Last Waltz is remastered will the fly be due a repeat fee? Or was it a one off stunt fee? (For new arrivals, the fly is the one famously caught in mid-air by Robbie during the interview).

Posted on Sat Jan 26 18:16:22 CET 2002 from spider-ta064.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.74)

Charlie Young

I knew that the Guestbook would "go to the dogs" eventually, but this is amazing! At least it's a step up the food chain from Robbie and that damn fly!

Posted on Sat Jan 26 17:56:27 CET 2002 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Kay

My thanks to everyone who sent me comments on Savoy Brown. I used them all in some fashion in my story, except for Butch's two words which y'all can imagine I'm sure. After listening to SB's greatest hits (?) and latest one, I'm looking forward to silence for a while. Kim Simmonds didn't respond to my request for an interview, but knowing I can get one with Robbie through Butch makes me feel better. Thanks again, K

Posted on Sat Jan 26 17:29:33 CET 2002 from du-tele3-155.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.155)

Peter viney

It's me that senility was taking hold of. It was indeed Walkin' My Cat Named Dog by Norma Tanega , 1966, New Voice #807. But with all this 'cat was a good old dog' 'dog was a good old cat' it's confusing even on my good days.

Posted on Sat Jan 26 16:57:27 CET 2002 from altany6.nbc.com (12.34.127.238)

yorktr

Say, wasn't that song "Walkin' my Cat named Dog"? Or has senility taken its toll? Speaking of which: Spotted yesterday on the Fox News Zipper on 6th Ave and 48th St.: "Moderate drinking may reduce the likelihood of Alzheimer's disease..." "Offisa I'm not drunk, I'm jesh trying to prevent th' onshet of Alzsheimersssh...

Posted on Sat Jan 26 15:53:09 CET 2002 from london-hse-ppp3547106.sympatico.ca (65.93.31.5)

Just Wonderin'

To add to the dog song thread...

Anybody remember a song called "A Dog Named Cat"? back in the early 60's?

"I've got a dog named cat

What do you think of that?"

My cat just glared at me in disgust! And I thought she couldn't read! Now I know to keep the kitty off the keyboard!

Posted on Sat Jan 26 15:37:16 CET 2002 from spider-ti072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.207)

Joe

My favorite dog song is probably "Old Rivers" sung by the late Walter Brennan.

Posted on Sat Jan 26 15:11:25 CET 2002 from stargate-36-163.salzburg-online.at (213.153.36.163)

Luke W.

Amanda, would you please be so kind as to post a few lines about "Sweet Dreams and Quiet Desires", when you finally get the album? I wanted to buy the album, but I would like to know if the other songs are as good as "Dragonfly" oder "As long...". 25$ is much money for me and I still need to get three The Band albums...

Luke

Posted on Sat Jan 26 12:30:05 CET 2002 from cust163.18.nw.tplus.at (217.76.163.18)

Georg

really amazing pictures ! hi to all music-lovers around the world !

Posted on Sat Jan 26 11:24:31 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002castocp0316.dialsprint.net (63.187.9.62)

Rollie

I just have to say, Bessie and Grubbie are overjoyed to have been mentioned on this prestigious site. With the amount of Band material they've had to listen to over the last few years, they deserve inclusion on these hallowed pages. Thanks Beg!--JN

Posted on Sat Jan 26 11:13:18 CET 2002 from i153-183.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.153.183)

Nancy

I used to have a copy of "Snoopy And The Red Baron" ..... ouch what an admission!

Does this mean I should voluntarily ban myself from entering the GB from now on? I was only 12 or 13 at the time peoples...........

I bet JTull Fan had a copy too since he mentioned the song!

Posted on Sat Jan 26 07:45:51 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tk024.proxy.aol.com (64.12.107.29)

Ben Pike

Kate Bush- Hounds of Love.

Posted on Sat Jan 26 06:50:43 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tk062.proxy.aol.com (64.12.107.47)

Bayou Sam

Hank = Damn!, you beat me to Martha My Dear.

Jenny T = you nailed the best one - I'm Gonna Buy Me A Dog by The Monkees

Someone in here once imagined Paul doing a version of It Makes No Difference, which I bet he'd do a real nice job on - or am I just being SILLY.

It's been a hard days night, and I've been working like a DOG............

Posted on Sat Jan 26 06:45:00 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-012neomahp1106.dialsprint.net (63.189.52.90)

Dave Z

Good dog song for me has always been Van's Redwood Tree... I wonder what VH1 wanted from RR? Must be TLW related?... My dog Butch aka Poe was way cooler than the Band... he was a fan too... but such things can't be proved... only experienced...

Posted on Sat Jan 26 05:33:05 CET 2002 from spider-wm021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.156)

Ben Pike

Forgive any repeats: The Roches "Damed Old Dog", James Taylor "One Man Dog", Beatles "Martha My Dear", Loudon Wainwright "Hey Packy", Monkees "Gonna Buy Me A Dog", Bob Dylan in a soldier's stance he aimed his hand at the mongrel dogs who teach.

Posted on Sat Jan 26 05:03:59 CET 2002 from 1cust201.tnt30.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.78.201)

Crabgrass

Well, I see it's been raining cats and dogs since I last checked the old GB!! Has anyone mentioned Patti Page's huge '50s hit "How Much Is That Doggie In The Window?" (the one with the waggily tail)?

I always felt The Band could have done a great cover of that one with Garth and Rick trading "Arfs!!" after each verse line sung by Richard and Levon. BTW if anyone's interested in adopting my dog Hank (named for GBer Hank Wedel as he was rescued by me on the very day Hank left NYC for Ireland a while back) and can give him a good home please e-mail me. I'd love to keep him but unfortunately am forced to live in a small city apartment for the next several years in order to be closer to my corporation's headquarters while my East Hampton mansion and adjacent private jetport undergo extensive renovations. If interested, I'll e-mail you a photo of both Hank Wedel and his namesake - only Hank the Dog is available for adoption, however, although both of them are very fond of The Band, natch!!

BTW does anyone know if "waggily" is a bona fide word? I've always wondered about that.

Posted on Sat Jan 26 04:28:44 CET 2002 from parachute1-156-40-64-190.net.nih.gov (156.40.64.190)

Jonathan Katz

OK a dog song: "Don't Know Why They Kick My Dog" from the Basement.

Posted on Sat Jan 26 03:39:17 CET 2002 from cpe0000e8c550f8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.157.156.144)

Jerry Tenenbaum

Bob Dylan: Obviously, It's raining cats and dogs.: There are Dylan mentions of Dogs and cats in the following songs. (Lyrics or Titles) to about 1990. (I will have to research titles from ~1990 to the present on some other occasion/what an excellent use of my time that will be).

Dog(s), Dog's /n 1. Bob Dylan's 115th Dream 2. Changing Of The Guards 3. Everything Is Broken 4. A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall 5. I Shall Be Free #10 6. Jokerman 7. Maybe Someday 8. Neighbourhood Bully 9. Obviously Five Believers 10.Got My Mind Made Up 11.On The Road Again 12.Only A Pawn In Their Game 13.Seven Curses 14.Sitting On A Barbed-Wire Fence 15.Tell Me, Mamma 16.Tiny Montgomery 17.Union Sundown 18.Cat's In The Well 19.Catfish 20.Clothes Line 21.Gates Of Eden 22.Highway 61 Revisited 23.If DOGS Run Free 24.Meet Me In The Morning 25.My Back Pages 26.One Too Many Mornings 27.Romance In Durango 28.Talking Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues 29.Three Angels

Cat(s), Cat's

1. CAT's In The Well 2. Quinn The Eskimo 3. All Over You 4. I Shall Be Free #10 5. Like A Rolling Stone 6. Three Angels 7. Love Is Just A Four Letter Word 8. Talking Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues 9. Two By Two 10.CATfish

Posted on Sat Jan 26 03:16:32 CET 2002 from hse-toronto-ppp178546.sympatico.ca (64.229.83.135)

Blind Willie McTell

I've been away from the GB for the last week, what the 'heck' is going on. Silly Love Songs - puke! As far as bass and drummers - how about Duck Dunn and Al Jackson - the Stax 'engine room'. Like John D. says ... let's talk about The Band. I'm listening to the first DFA right now. Have a great weekend everyone.

Posted on Sat Jan 26 02:35:31 CET 2002 from dialup-073.cork.iol.ie (194.125.43.73)

Hank

Go on......close your eyes and open your minds ear and just hear The Band doing "My Love".....with Richard singing lead.....down to that RR-like guitar break....yep....I can hear it.......Woe wa woe woe

Now..... imagine Levon, Rick and Richard doing the three part thing in "Silly Love Songs"

Rick......"I Love You"....

Richard...."How can I tell..... you about....my loved one"......

Levon....."I can't explain....the feelings breakin me....now can't ya see....ahhh she gave me more....she gave it all to me....now can't ya see?"........

Well...OK.....maybe not.......

Is "It Makes No Difference" a 'silly' love song?

Hmmmnnnnn....let's see......

"Well, I love you so much....and it's all I can do-who...just to keep myself from tellin you..... that I never....felt so alone...before....."

I guess that's pretty serious........

The line that goes

"Love does'nt come in a minute....sometimes it does'nt come at all"

(Ha! Ha! Paul..... that's very John Lennon..... when you think about it....)

......only know that when I'm in it.....it isn't silly Love isn't silly Love isn't silly AT ALLLLLLLLLL....ba-ba-ba-da-da-da-da!!!!"...

That's all very silly, really, isn't it?....remember The Silly Party on Monty Python......and The VERY Silly Party.........fighting elections with the Serious party?.......

So...it's agreed......it's OK to write the odd serious love song.....but it is NOT OK to write silly love songs.......have I got that right?.......OK ....good night.......

Posted on Sat Jan 26 02:34:24 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp70439.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.193.26)

brown eyed girl

JTULL FAN: I never said that I'm puuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrfect!...:-D

Ooops.....I forgot Toronto's own Keanu Reeves in DOGSTAR.....How could I forget Jesse Ketchum's claim to fame??????

Stray CATS
The Love CATS....The Cure
We move like cagey tigers
We couldn't get closer than this
The way we walk
The way we talk
The way we stalk
The way we kiss
We slip through the streets
While everyone sleeps.....

Families....Louuuuuuu Reed
and would you believe my old DOG CHELSY'S there, too
and would you believe nobody in this family wanted to keep her
and now that DOG'S more a part of this family than I am
and I don't come home much anymore
NO I don't come home much anymore.....

All of today's DOG and CAT posts are dedicated to THE BAND FANS who love them.....especially to Agesilaus....Belinda.....Rusty....Bessie.....Grubby.....MEOW.....WOOF.....

Posted on Sat Jan 26 02:21:18 CET 2002 from 1cust145.tnt4.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.110.145)

Hi

I was just checking out the "What's New" section of the site after reading the posts about Terrance Simien's tribute to Rick Danko and realized he was the guy I read was playing in Kingston Sunday...www.terrancesimien.com. has details. And the Joyous Lake reopens tonight.

Posted on Sat Jan 26 02:14:35 CET 2002 from spider-tp053.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.198)

JTull Fan

Brown-Eyed Girl: Shame on you for posting a list of 'cat songs' without including the Tigger Song!'OHHHH! The wonderful thing about Tiggers, are that Tiggers are wonderful things. the bounce de bounce whoop de booper de bounce...!!" and then there is Year of The Cat buy Al Stewart. Don't even start me on Cat in the Hat...

Posted on Sat Jan 26 02:03:49 CET 2002 from dialup-282.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.26)

Hank

Hey Rick K! whadddaya mean? whadddaya?......Crabby IS the contact for Robbie Robertson! VH-1 call Crabby every time they want RR.........

I saw the South Park episode where they re-enact The Civil War......too funny!.......I was hoping they'd break into TNTDODD.....like, even a South Park version......but alas, no......

Martha My Dear....anyone? Hold your head up you SILLY girl.....look what you've done! When you find yourself in the thick of it, help yourself to a little of what's all around you......SILLY girl.....

Take a good look around you

A song about a dog that does'nt even use the word 'dog'.....a bit fond of the word "SILLY", tho'

Posted on Sat Jan 26 00:32:12 CET 2002 from cpe0080c6f0a856.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

I'm sorry I was looking for "The Band" site. I believe cats and dogs are on a vet site?

Posted on Sat Jan 26 00:09:52 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp69319.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.188.176)

brown eyed girl

DOGS: Diamond Dogs....David Bowie
Punk Dog Band: Bow-Wow-Wow....

Yes Peter....Let's hear it for the CAT LOVERS!
John COUGAR Mellencamp
Black Cat....Janet Jackson....She can rock...
Cool For Cats....Squeeze
Cat's In The Cradle....Harry Chapin....CAT Stevens
Cat Scratch Fever....Ted Nugent...I am aware of the song only...;-D
Third World's Stephen "CAT" Coore....lead guitarist of reggae band and child cello prodigy....

Posted on Fri Jan 25 23:49:17 CET 2002 from on-tor-unv-ap3-34-45.look.ca (216.154.34.188)

Rick K

The Dogs R US thread:

"Spoke in tears, how for fifteen years, his dog and him

travelled about

dog up and died, up and died

after 20 years he still greived"

gotta be the all time dog referencee . . .

and don't forget Jesse Winchester's "Black Dog" - pure Steven King a good decade before Cujo

Heey BUTCH: good thing you're such an upright type - imagine the fun someone like ol Crabgrass coulda had with that neebie writer . . .

dileas gu brath

aquagoat

aka Rick K

Posted on Fri Jan 25 22:57:35 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-72.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.72)

MattK

Didn't Wilson Pickett record "Muskrat Sally?"

Posted on Fri Jan 25 22:50:30 CET 2002 from (195.182.119.195)

Fabulan

hello i'm from a young band in germany which is called NACEEDRA. i didn't konwo how i find this page,but i'm there. please visit our homepage. http://www.naceedra.de.vu

Posted on Fri Jan 25 22:41:37 CET 2002 from du-tele3-114.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.114)

Peter Viney

Ben- My old drama lecturer at college was fond of saying that Shakespeare was first and foremost an impresario, and that if the crowd had got restive during ‘to be or not to be’, old William wouldn’t have hesitated in sending on a dancing bear for five minutes to cheer them up, which doesn’t reflect on the content of the speech but on the audience who may have been killing time before Ye Olde Mancaster United v Ye Tottenham Sir Percy Hotspur. Or in other terms, leaning down into the pit orchestra and asking old Saul MacBlarthey (an ancestor of Sir Paul’s) to put aside the serving wench for a moment, strap on his lute and give them a couple of verses of “Ye Foolish Songs of Love”. But yes. Some songs grate and irritate. I see “I Just Called to say I Love you” in this light myself. And Greensleeves is better than Silly Love Songs!

It was Norma Tanega not Taneka. But let’s not start a cat thread too! (Cat Stevens has already been mentioned).

Posted on Fri Jan 25 22:27:22 CET 2002 from cpe0080c6f0a856.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

JAN

Your making me spend more money!!! I have to buy the Terrance Simien CD now. Just a beautiful tribute.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 22:13:51 CET 2002 from (216.5.93.115)

Jenny T

Well the only dog song I know besides Old Blue is "I'm Gonna Buy Me a Dog," recorded by the Monkees. The premise of the song is that the singer's girlfriend has left him and he's going to replace her with a dog. (?!) He even says "She used to keep me so contented/but I can teach a dog to do that"--somewhat disturbing, no?

And I think Old Blue might be a pretty old song, because I used to have Joan Baez' version of it on a double album of hers with old folk songs like Barbara Allen. When she sang "bloooooooo" it could break glass.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 22:12:51 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Franko and others: If you need a Band connection for that last posting, the Seeds of Time transmogrified into Prism, whose drummer, Jim Vallance, made most of him money as Bryan Adams' co-writer. Like Richard Manuel, he was involved in the "Tears Are Not Enough" project (in both songwriting and drumming capacities). Plus his wife wrote the French lyrics to the song, though I doubt that Richard was in the chorus for those.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 21:45:44 CET 2002 from (64.80.240.117)

Diamond Lil

Wow.. just listened to that little bit of Terrence Simien doing "It Makes No Difference" from the 'what's new' section..and it brought a tear to my eye. Very nicely done. I especially liked the narration, where he talked about meeting Rick and not knowing who he was at first..and then realizing. Thanks Jan for posting that..and thanks John for the quickie e-mail.

Have a good night everyone.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 21:26:59 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Franko: The Seeds of Time, a hard-rockin' Vancouver band of the early '70s, recorded "Muskrat Ramble" as the b-side to one of their two 45s. If you must have it, they got together a few years ago to put together CD compilation of those 45s plus some live tapes.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 20:39:54 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

Thanks Mike..I didn't think anyone even read my posts. About this dog that looks like a pig...I don't know what year James Taylor wrote that song and I've never heard it but I do remember a movie called "Maria's Lovers"...Keith Carradine's character..a guy named Clarence Butts..had this dog that was a running gag thru the film..."get rid of the dog" says the owner of this cafe lookin' place "Does this look like a dog to you?" says Clarence."No" the owner said..."he looks like a pig!" KICKING HORSE..remember.."only the good die young" I think Billy Joel said that but since I'm not exactly a Billy Joel fan (altho he does play a really mean piano) I don't recall..coulda been Elton John since the two are basically interchangeable...silly top 40 song wise that is.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 20:37:20 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

JTull Fan

AWWW, C'Mon now, Kicking Horse! Do you really think that in the Basement of Big Pink back in '67 Dylan and the Band thought: 'Gee, their is so much SERIOUS s*** going down in the world, maybe we should put down the Grand Marnier, Weed, and musical instruments and go worry ourselves to death in our bedrooms underneath our beds.' Hell no! They got down and made some kick-a** music even when it was just nonsense. Just listen to 'Teenage-Prayer' or 'Allen Ginsberg'to catch the vibe! This site and some of the silliness that goes on is just a harmless way of catching some fresh air for most of us. So chill out please. There is plenty enough to be depressed about and plenty of time to let it get us down if we want. My philosophy is that when every a silly moment hits you spontaneously, take it, embrace it, and enjoy it. The next thing headed your way might be a Mack Truck. And regarding 'non-Band' threads: The Band did not exist within a vacuum. They were great because they absorbed and reinterpreted those influences around them, be it musical, historical, cultural, or otherwise. So why should the commentary out here always be limited by some strict, parochial definition. After all, we are all just a group of diverse friends connected by a love of one thing, The Band.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 20:04:42 CET 2002 from (4.20.68.20)

Rich

Going to see Dave Edmunds tonight, a long time favorite who hardly ever seems to tour these parts. Anyone seen him recently - wondering what to expect, what he might play, who plays with him, etc.

Can't think of a real close Band connection, other than that he produced the Fabulous T'birds, and Levon and Kim Wilson have done some work together.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 20:02:15 CET 2002 from du161-1.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.1.161)

Ilkka

Let me promote a radio show in Swedish Radio Digital Channel. - It is a rock show for Swedish-Finnish speaking young people mainly in Sweden but in the whole wide world as well. It can be heard in the Internet from every Wednesday to Sunday from 8 o'clock PM (Guestbook time) - after 8 minutes, that is. It is run by my former students Nadja and Henry plus some other youngsters. This week's issues have been the film festival in Gothenburg, the local anti-drug music festival, how it is to be a ... PRIEST!, family - studies - friends; which is the most important. It can be heard in http://www.sr.se/sisuradio/paparazzi (Web page is only my vCard.)

Ooops!! It beginns after 3 minutes - got to go now.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 20:00:14 CET 2002 from spider-tq062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.72)

franko

MattK, we will never agree on the lyrical quality of IMND, but I think we are of one mind re the baseball team from the Bronx.

Speaking of soft hands and Toni Tennille - thanks Desiree. Remember how "a country music station played soft," well, um, a friend of mine, that's it, had a memorable experience in his youth, during which, stop me if I am oversharing, Toni's version of the great Willis Alan Ramsey's Muskrat Candlelight (Muskrat Love) came on the radio.

Anyone can write a song about a dog. Any other muskrat songs out there?

I think the US. needs a Patriots vs. Eagles Super Bowl.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 19:57:08 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

Speaking of Borderline's "Sweet Dreams and Quiet Desires"...I got an email this morning stating that my copy has been shipped...after 29 days. Did anyone else order this cd? That was a pretty long back order. Do you think that Jan's mention of the album on this site, gave it a big sales boost? Or...did it take so long because the album was imported from Japan? Also...do you think there is a huge resurgence of interest in The Band by the younger generation coming up? Maybe more interest in Band members as individual performers? Why do record companies usually re-release obscure albums like this one? I would be really interested to know how many cds sold after Jan posted the info.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 19:31:57 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Just don't bring up the one about "who let the dogs out".

Butch: You should have told her you were the designated fiduciary receiver for all royalty payments(:-)

Hank: In the '70s, Jim Rooney was a member, along with the Gershen brothers, in the Woodstock-based group Borderline. Jan recently posted some information about this group. Both Richard & Garth played on Borderline's excellent "Sweet Dreams and Quiet Desires" album. Mr. Rooney is now a mainstay in the Nashville music scene, having handled production chores for many fine artists over the years. Notably, a couple years ago, Mr. Rooney produced and helped John Prine develop his concept of recording duets with various female artists, resulting in the fine "In Spite Of Ourselves" album.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 19:12:46 CET 2002 from spider-tp014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.179)

butch

under the topic of " ya cant make this stuff up ",,

i just got a phone call,, from VH-1,,,,

the woman asked me if i was butch , etc,,,, i asked how i can be of help,, & she said,

" i understand YOU are the contact person for ROBBIE ROBERTSON,,,,,,

i mean , really,, do your homework,,,i was laughing so hard,,,

i hadda tell her, no way,, not this life or the next,,,

i said i was the contact for Levon,, she didnt get it,, but said good bye,,,

i got off the phone,, still laughing,,,

no wonder VH-1 sucks,,,,

Posted on Fri Jan 25 19:11:21 CET 2002 from dhcp21323.sunyocc.edu (198.242.213.23)

KICKING HORSE

As I had anticipated several years ago...... it would only be a matter of time before the G.B. went completely to the "dogs". My suspicions have apparently come to be. So much frivilous chatter when there is so much to really be concerned about in this world. A huge misappropriation of energy and brain power.. Too bad.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 18:59:46 CET 2002 from user15005.vip-za.com (163.203.154.157)

Desiree

I have always found bass players so interesting to watch - they don't normally thrash and crash like guitarists - they generally seem to have soft hands. Silly comment - its just how I've always seen them. My worst song ever is " Do that to me one more time" (I think thats the title - I may have put it out of my mind) by Captain and Teneille?? I hate that song for so many reasons I can't begin to enumerate them.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 18:59:40 CET 2002 from citrix3.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.8)

John Cass

I always got a kick out of James Taylor's song about his pet MONA it wasent a dog it was a pig! James must of had to kill it or something cause he has a verse in his song that he had to give it "a 12 gauge surprize". It actually is a nice song.. I havent heard it in years maybe someone else in the GB knows the lyrics.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 18:57:16 CET 2002 from spider-wb021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.156)

Ben Pike

I believe it takes a rather reactionary response to my comments to claim I was comparing McCartney to Hitler. The clear point was that bad things can have transitory popularity, be they horrible politics or lousy pop hits. There was a time, for instance, when Rush Limbaugh seemed destened to be a credible national voice; but he couldn't even sustain the modest rating demands of a synidcated TV show, and he receaded to barking his nonsense at like minded buffoons.

I readily conceade the point that there is Art with good and bad aspects, in fact, nearly all of it falls into this catagory. I DO NOT readily conceade that "Silly Love Songs" falls into this catigory; as it's lone good aspect is the blessed moment when the recording has drawn to a close and the torture is over.

The idea that liking one group or another is some kind of a test of national pride was presented in the spirit of off hand sillyness. While no great joke; I think this misunderstanding does go to indicate that walking around pretending there is value in a song as bad as "Silly Love Songs" leaves one rather tightly wound.

I think it is pretty clear from my posts on the Beatles that I love all the fab moptops, living or dead, and think they have generally aquitted themselves splendidly. But I throw it to you PV, why can we go and see Shakespeare, and accept a view of the world that is full of flawed heroes, darkness and light, beauty and uglyness, strength and weakness, love and creulty, damned good intentions and ambiguous virtue. Yet one someone suggests this is true of our own world.... And yes, I have condemmed "Silly Love Songs" as all bad, but most ironicly and pointedly so given the glory of it's birthplace, the mind of a pop genius.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 18:36:12 CET 2002 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Mike Carrico

Well, the song is not really about a dog, but Crazy Chester's pooch does play a prominent part...

I'm also partial to "In The Eyes Of My Dog (I'm A Man)" by Martin Mull:

Come and SIT beside me, let's be friends/We will STAY together 'till the end/We can SHAKE these problems if we try/We'll be friends 'till I ROLLOVER and die.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 18:16:53 CET 2002 from 209-192-115-72.deltacom.net (209.192.115.72)

h evans

On the dog thing, I haven't seen where anyone has mentioned "Hey Bulldog" by the Beatles. Also, Neil Young has one on "Silver and Gold". I think it might be called "Old King". Obvious Band connections with both.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 18:14:05 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

JTull Fan

'Me and My Arrow' !!! How could I forget that one! That dog trying to bury its' bone in your fertile front yard sounds like one dirty little dog to me! Then there is Doris Day's (is it her?) 'How Much is That Doggy in the Window?'and Snoopy and the Red Baron Christmas song. Was there an Old Yeller theme song? Lassie?

Posted on Fri Jan 25 18:12:37 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-72.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.72)

MattK

Damn, I forgot all about "I wanna be your dog" by Iggy and the Stooges...

Posted on Fri Jan 25 18:11:21 CET 2002 from du-tele3-065.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.65)

Peter Viney

Does the one-hit wonder "Walking My Cat Named Dog" count? (Norma Taneka?) This was linked to the Bob Crewe label in some way I think.

But really it has to be "Old shep" for me.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 18:01:34 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

My favorite song about a dog is an old Southern ditty written by Red Foley and sung by Elvis Presley..."Old Shep". This song is probably considered country and I listened to it over and over as a girl.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 17:56:25 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Lest we not forget Eric Andersen's classic "Blue River". The second verse is about Mo -- "he's just a dog you know". Rick Danko sang lead on a beautiful version of this song that appeared on the 1991 Danko/Fjeld/Andersen album.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 17:46:37 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

No MattK, Met fan actually so I have to remind you about the 1973 N.L.C.S. (Mets over Reds in 5 games).... There was a song, but I have no idea of the title or group, sung from a dog's perspective, it was hilarious. I only remember the lyrics "I'm looking for a spot to bury my bone, You know us hound dogs just can't stand to be alone... I see a fertile patch in your front yard, My paws are bleedin' 'cause your gates are so hard..."

Posted on Fri Jan 25 17:40:53 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-72.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.72)

MattK

"Me and you and a dog named boo!" Oh I loved that song as a kid. It was by "Lobo." I'd always assumed it was by Jim Stafford (Wildwood Flower, My Girl Bill), and was kinda surprised in later years to discover different. I found out later that Lobo was Roland Kent LaVoie, who was a good friend of Stafford's, penned Stafford's first hit (Swamp Witch), and produced Stafford's first album.

Band connection: both LaVoie and Stafford were both in The Rumors with Gram Parsons. And from here, we can connect The Band to the Brady Bunch Kids, who recorded "Me and You and a Dog Named Blue" on "their" first album. The Brady's and The Band in the same paragraph. Whoo boy!

Ok, here's my dog list:

5) Waggy Tail Dog - Maria Muldaur
4) Me and My Arrow - Harry Nilsson
3) Black Dog - Led Zepplin
2) Everything Reminds Me of My Dog - Jane Siberry

And MattK's number one "dog song" of the entire rock era:

1) Walking the Dog - Rufus Thomas

Posted on Fri Jan 25 17:39:35 CET 2002 from 56k-la-02-37.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.148)

Dave the Phone Guy

Paul likes pot.That's good enough for me.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 17:30:35 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Doggy / Band link - Jack in "The Weight".

"Me And You And A Dog Named Boo" was by Lobo, whose real name was Kent LeSomething. Ian and Sylvia had "Barney". I think it appeared on the same LP as their cover of "Get Up Jake". Come to think of it, is there anything in the lyrics that precludes Jake from being a mutt?. Speaking of which, didn't someone just mentioned Mutt Lange.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 17:12:58 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

JTull Fan

Dog songs: 'Shilo' by Neil Diamond, 'Me and You and a Dog named 'Boo'' by I forget, Pink Floyd's 'Seamus' from 'Echoes', 'Hound Dog' by Elvis, (although since it was a sanitized 'Horn Dog' does it really count?), and of course, drum roll please, 'Jingle Dogs', that bow-wow version of the popular standard.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 17:11:54 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-72.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.72)

mattk

Damn, John W. snuck in and beat my post and rendered a nice closing thought in my previous post obsolete.

Must be a Yankee fan ; )

Posted on Fri Jan 25 17:08:25 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-72.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.72)

MattK

Interesting the the defense of "makes no difference" all run to the performance and the overall song, neither of which I challenged. I simply said the lyrics were goofy, and I think they are supposed to be, and I think that's why they work. Context, people. Context.

Franko, noting you are from Boston, I'm assuming you weren't rooting for the Reds in '76 as much as you were rooting AGAINST those evil boys from Gotham. Surely, your loyalties were not with the Reds in 1975...at least if you were in Beantown back then.

Ben Pike. So do you like everything about a song or you hate it? Are you telling us there are no CDs in the Ben Pike collection with songs you more or less like, but you kinda have to overlook N aspect of it? Certainly, for myself, there are any number songs I HATE because of an overriding factor, but there are more songs I generally like DESPITE X.

I was reminiscing with my wife about 1976 just the other day. We were both kids (I was 10) for the US' Bicentennial, so I was old enough to know "this is a really big deal," but young enough not to view it through the cynical lens I'd almost certainly experience it as an adult. As much as I love Zappa's "Poofter's Froth Wyoming Plans Ahead," now, I'm glad I didn't understand the degree to which the whole thing was commodified and merchandized.

I dunno, something about the gooey, sticky-sweet pop music of the 70s was appealing if you were a kid. Somehow, it's as if the Top 100 for most of the decade were written for kids.

Still, I'm relieved that no one has named Henry Gross' "Shannon" as the best dog song, which, ironically enough, topped out at #6 on the US Charts in the summer of...you guessed it....1976.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 17:02:57 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Song about a dog: "Shannon" by Henry Gross. ("Shannon is gone I hope she's drifing out to sea, she always loved to swim away, Maybe she'll find an island with a shady tree, just like the one in our back yard..."). Henry Gross said this song was inspired by the death of Beach Boy Carl Wilson's Irish Setter, Shannon. Band Connection: Henry Gross was at Woodstock as a member of Sha-Na-Na.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 16:31:05 CET 2002 from dax6.revealed.net (208.16.227.149)

Mike

Bill, funny you should mention songs about dogs. The Byrds had three of them:

Old Blue (Dr. Byrds and Mr. Hyde, 1969). A simple song sung by Roger McGuinn, lamenting on his dog. The dog dies in the final verse though. "Bye bye Blue, you good dog you". The song is highlighted by Clarence White's tasty guitar licks. He's using B-bender on his Telecaster, which sounds a lot like a pedal steel guitar (incidentally he and Byrds drummer Gene Parsons invented the "B-bender" while in a previous band together called Nashville West).

Fido (Ballad Of Easy Rider, 1969). Sung by bass player John York. It's about the paralells between a lonely travelling artist and a stray dog. The dog lives! Woof!

Bugler (Farther Along, 1972). Someone mentioned this song in here earlier, so I don't have much to say about it. The dog dies too. I will say that I think Farther Along while a patchy effort, is a bit underrated and ignored.

Their best "animal" song is "Chestnut Mare" but that's about a horse. I find it to be among the best Byrds songs. Certainly one of McGuinn's finest moments. I wonder if she's related to Jethro and Mr. Ed?! Since the song came out in 1970, that mare (proabably) ain't what she ued to be. Sorry!

Mike

Posted on Fri Jan 25 16:24:35 CET 2002 from host-65.subnet-76.med.umich.edu (141.214.76.65)

Steve Knowlton

Blame Heart for allowing it on their record, but the sisters Wilson didn't write "All I Want to Do is Make Love to You." That fault lies with Robert John "Mutt" Lange, who also wrote Huey Lewis's "Do You Believe in Love" and several of Billy Ocean's hits, and also produced AC/DC's "Back in Black" and his wife Shania Twain's mammoth country hits.

On love songs: Love is such an elemental human experience that it's hard to get fancy about it. Even Shakespeare's sonnets include lines like "My love is a fever" (speaking of the late Miss Peggy Lee). I think you can't criticize the lyrics of "My Love" or "It Makes No Difference" if they resonate somehow with the way you feel when you're in/out of love. Surely all of have known that moment when a lover truly "finds something there" when we thought our cupboards were empty. I myself consider "It Makes No Difference" with its combination of soulful melody and direct lyrics the best thing Robbie Robertson ever wrote (just wish the drums were louder). It's one of those songs that, when it grabs me, I keep lifting the needle and playing again.

Does bad art make the world a worse place? I say bad art is better than no art, if only because it sharpens the senses to detect good art.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 15:47:46 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

I forgot to mention yesterday that my favourite dog song from the rock era is "See My Friends" by the Kinks. Unlike most dog songs (dog books, dog movies), the dog doesn't even die at the end!

How much great Art is there really in the rock/pop world? Art Garfunkel has a nice voice, but is that enough? Arthur Lee was truly great, but to my knowledge he never accepted Art. There's Art Neville of course. And Art Bergman, if not great himself, is responsible for at least one great punk record, "Hawaii".

Posted on Fri Jan 25 15:43:24 CET 2002 from garco.cpe.newsouth.net (64.90.4.86)

Mike Carrico

j~t: you nailed it re "It Makes No Difference"...desperate and beautiful. It is neither a silly love song nor a "Silly Love Song". Music and lyrics both very good, with a great passionate performance from the boys. And unlike most of Robbie's songs (particularly in The Band days), seems to have come from his gut rather than his head.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 15:38:33 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

JTull Fan

Funny. When I first saw the set list to Danko/Manuel Live at O'Toole's I was excited to see 'My Love' listed. God was I shocked and dissappointed to find it was the Kenny Rogers song of the same name. Yuck!

Posted on Fri Jan 25 15:19:53 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tc024.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.159)

franko

Random Thoughts:

My apologies to the GB and peace loving people everywhere - I rooted for the Reds in 1976.

I'd like to combine categories - weak lyrics and songs about dogs - and nominate Feed Jake by Pirates of the Mississippi. "Now I lay me down to sleep / I pray the Lord my soul to keep / And if I die before I wake / ......Feed Jake / He's been a good dog / My best friend, right through it all/ If I die before I wake / .....Feed Jake"

I blame this song for everything bad that happened in the world in 1990.

The lyrics to IMND are, without question, better than any Proust song I have ever heard. (smiley face here)

No Volvo would stand a chance against my SUV. Fortunately, I am a very cautious driver.

Support America. Go Patriots!

Posted on Fri Jan 25 14:05:50 CET 2002 from dialup-300.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.44)

HANK

Looking forward to seeing Peter Viney in Cork......The middle bit in "Silly Love Songs"?......no problem....but I'll need that drummer and his girlfriend to help out......

More Macca......Years ago, when "Ebony and Ivory" was a hit, I played a solo gig in a rural pub outside of Mallow, Co. Cork.....a young woman, who was listening to me at this gig came up to me afterwards, we got talking and she asked me could I sing "Ebony and Ivory"...."NO! What a loada dross" I scoffed.....Gently insistent, with a lovely light in her eyes, she sez "Sing it...go on!"......she played the pubs upright piano......so...I sang it...which is funny 'cos despite the fact I had put it down, I knew it note for note, word for word.....and she looked in my eyes and sang it with me...in harmony, word for word......then she sez......"now, it's not so bad, is it?" It was kind of a come on, I guess, but I was only about 19 at the time and she was about 25.......when yer 19, a 25 year old woman is daunting........Funny, I'm 38 now and I don't mind talking to 25 year old women at all.....how does that work?........

The guy who plays lead guitar in my band went to choke me last night ala Homer and Bart when I told him "Back to Memphis" was a "Moondog Matinee" out-take with added applause and intros from Watkins Glen......It all came about because I mentioned that I heard, via here in The GB, that the DVD of TLW is imminent.....and he started in to dealing with slaves and something inside.....ahem!.....I mean, he started dissing TLW 'cuz it was over-dubbed which led to a multi-threaded conversation amongst about 4 of us about how MOST live albums are not live at all, that most of 'em are cleaned up and overdubbed.....except "Alchemy" by "Dire Straits". We was at a gig here in Cork to see a fella called Jim Rooney .....he's known as a Nashville producer/songwriter guy....he played with some stellar company last night......most notably, Arty McGlynn, who as Peter V will confirm, played with Van Morrison for a while....and a guy called Phillip Donnelly, The Clontarf Cowboy, who was John Prines right-hand man for a while in the '80ies......it was a great gig but hard to hear as it was a pub with a bottle-neck........I seem to recall Jim Rooney's name cropping up via Hoskyns book and Woodstock.......same guy, I wonder?

It's funny to see "My Love" get such a bashing in here because...and I've written this before.......it sounds like a song that The Band coulda done......Imagine Richard singing it....the drums are pure Levon and that guitar solo is very RR....

Altogether now Boys and Girls!!!!!...... "woe wa-woe woe"

Posted on Fri Jan 25 13:37:27 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

"It Makes No Difference" is a desperate and beautiful song...it should never be compared to any "Silly Love Song" deal. It shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath ! Rick's vocals are haunting ..and Garth's sax is the frosting on the cake.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 13:34:51 CET 2002 from spider-wl042.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.37)

JTull Fan

Great point about McCartney, Lennon, and not expecting or wanting another Hey Jude! It's important to note that as much as Lennon brought out the best in McCartney, McCartney brought out the best in Lennon. Together each was more than the sum of the parts. Lennon had much of the witty edge, the pain and angst, the lyrics. McCartney knew how to compliment those impulses with beautiful melodies and juxtapositions. And just like having one Hey Jude masterpiece should be enough to appreciate and to let Macca go on to other things, it seems we somehow forget that the Band gave us Big Pink and Brown, and to move on and enjoy all the other stuff that came later. One review (was it Bowman's or Hoskyns?) slams Life is A Carnival as being a remake of W.S. Walcott. ???? Why? Because a 'carnival' is similar to a 'medicine show' somehow? It's another case of being stuck on the lyrics and ignoring the music thread. To study two other extremes, Brian Wilson was another tunesmith who relied on other lyricists (perhaps McCartney needs to hook up with Tony Asher or Van Dyke Parks)while Roger Waters is a pure lyricist whose solo efforts decline into diatribe while he slams Paul McCartney in interviews.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 13:19:14 CET 2002 from (64.80.240.148)

Diamond Lil

Hi everyone. I haven't really been reading the gb for the past week or so, so I probably have nothing relevant to say (which come to think of it, has never stopped me before :-).. so I thought I'd just say hello to everyone until I get a chance to catch up in here. Thanks to all of you who have been mailing about my son..he's going to be ok..and I'll try to reply soon. Anyone out there own a resort where I could go for a week or so...with no phones..no cars... and little drinks with umbrellas in em? God I need a vacation :-)

Anyhow.. like I said.. nothing relevant (which makes me consistant if nothing else). Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 11:59:00 CET 2002 from i153-080.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.153.80)

Nancy

Mattk: A song about a dog by the YOUNGEST songwriter:

"I Love My Dog" - 1966 - Cat Stevens (18)

It may even qualify for simplistic pop lyrics depending on how you feel about dogs.

"I love my dog

As much as I love you......."

Its a catchy tune tho

Posted on Fri Jan 25 07:54:46 CET 2002 from spider-we011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.21)

Bayou (you know)

Happy Birthday, Neil Diamond.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 07:45:42 CET 2002 from bob10.revealed.net (208.16.227.13)

Mike

Sam, you are a traitor! How dare you speak of english bass players. Wait until I get my hands on you! LOL. Just kidding. Down with Ben's comments. Every great musician is allowed to create his/her share of fluff. Keeps the anticipation going for the next possible masterpiece. I surely wouldn't want another "Hey Jude". It's a great song but why attempt to write another. That's not progression. Certainly it's not music as an art form.

Ben, explain to me how you envision Macca as Hitler! I see no logic in such comments. Sam, you are right on about Paul masterminding the concert. Would Hitler do that?! No, Hitler would run and hide. Paul stayed. I have my list of Paul songs I don't care much for. Ben, you seem to be rambling a tad too much and reading pseudo-logic into things that don't make any sense. East Timor and Silly Love Songs? Beyond my comprehension. Can someone explain this to me?

Sam, I am partial to "It Makes No Difference" as well. Nice vocal job from Rick. And when is Tommy from Brooklyn? Peace.

Mike

Posted on Fri Jan 25 06:27:38 CET 2002 from spider-ta014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.49)

Bayou Sam

Oh yeah - one more thing. How does being a Doors supporter make you patriotic. Geez, I just carried on about some British bass player. I guess I'm a traitor.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 05:58:47 CET 2002 from spider-ta014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.205.49)

Bayou Sam

Y'know what Ben? I'm thinking about how to respond to some of your McCarney hammering - but the fact that you put him in the company of Hitler makes it difficult to discuss it.

(did ya catch that slight tip of the hat to RR folks?)

You can not like his music if you want - but to paint a picture of him as this out-of-touch, light headed, light hearted schmuck, is way off base (or bass). He became a vegetarian, and backed up his feelings by involving himself with groups like PETA. Lennon was a hero for doing things like that. Recently - on Sept 11th - Paul was sitting in a plane waiting to take off in NY and watched the second plane hit Tower Two. Instead of running for the hills ( like a couple of celebs did)he stayed in New York and masterminded the concert for NYC. He did stuff like walking into firehouses giving out $2,000 tickets to firefighters, which he paid for so the money would get into the charity. He was at a handful of Yankee games sitting in the stands drinking beer - showing that N.Y. was still standing, and safe........This is pretty un-Hitler like if you ask me.

I'm just tired of people hammering Paul, and expecting him to write a Hey Jude everytime.

Hank - you made a great observation about Macca. He was always the one that was most concious of image, and smiling for the camera. I never looked at it as "phoney" really. It always seemed to me that Brian Epstein had more of an affect on him than the others as far as marketing themselves. My favorite Macca period though is from about The White Album, to Ram. He grew a beard and didn't smile for the camera as much.

Dexy - Paul had one huge thing in the 60's that impacted his writing like never before, or after - John Lennon.

Great story told by Paul = he was writing Hey Jude, and he played it for John one day. He got to the line "the movement you need is on your shoulder", which he explained to John that he would change that line because it meant nothing. Lennon told him to leave it alone, it was great, and that he (Lennon) knew what it meant.

I'm almost done folks.

Ben = that was a wonderful list of McCartney duds. It is a very small part of the McCartney musical output though. I'd like to suggest you not listen to those songs, and try = Too Many People, Tug of War, Nineteen Eighty Five, Beware My Love, Monkberry Moon Delight, Singalong Junk, Rock Show, Angry, Here Today, Ballroom Dancing, However Absurd. Not to mention - Jet, Band on The Run, Another Day, Live and Let Die, etc.......

And - just to recognise that this IS The Band site - I'd like to add that I like the lyrics to "It Makes No Difference".

Posted on Fri Jan 25 02:49:46 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp72123.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.199.186)

brown eyed girl

One thing about Savoy Brown.....They exposed me to "Wang Dang Doodle"....for the first time......

For PHOTOGRAPHERS WHO LOOOOOOOVE MUSIC.....My fave PUNK band of all time.....THE CLASH.....The photo of Paul Simonon....the one who brought reggae to the group....who is seen on the cover of LONDON CALLING in 1979.........smashing his bass guitar on stage.....was chosen today as the "perfect rock 'n' roll photo of all time".......:-D.....Photographer Pennie Smith.....The poll surveyed music writers and 18 of the world's leading photographers....Second.....Terry O'Neil's 1974 photo of DAVID BOWIE....third.....1966 photo of the BEATLES in San Francisco by Jim Marshall.....

Posted on Fri Jan 25 02:31:25 CET 2002 from spider-ti041.proxy.aol.com (152.163.194.191)

Ben Pike

PV, I was defending The Doors in the context of bad Wings, though I had half a tounge in check, as I did when I forced the point about East Timor. On the other sticky hand; if we are to accept that good Art makes the world a better place, can we dismiss the notion that crap Art makes it a shoddier one? If we, in the name of "escapism", put the blinders up and enjoy movies about airplanes plowing into skyskrapers, can we affect the role of wounded innocents when airplanes plow into our skyskrappers? In 76, Sir Paul had rightly earned the ear of the world, was he really still pouring in Beatlesque good vibes, or a putrid swill of escapism, as leathal as that prepared by Hamlet's step Dad?

The poisonous moral rot of the self satisfied is of course what Anderson was trying to get at in Tull's best album, "A Passion Play"; knowing of course, it would largely fall on deaf ears, see below. As Robbie Robertson prepares for his gig on the Super Bowl, we can only wonder if he'll mention Lenord, or is that no longer in vouge, will he simply wave the flag with the rest?

Anyway, here's an unknown singer songwriter you might want to know about www.sylvielewis.com

Posted on Fri Jan 25 02:25:50 CET 2002 from akcf1.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.202)

Rod

Brian Sz, you are indeed right about "All I want to do is make love to you" being one of the worst songs ever written. It's are lryics obvious and corny . Story songs like this that start at the beginning and work through events in chronological order doon't require a 2nd listening because you know the whole story. One thing that makes RR's songs so good is you never get the full story. You can listen to it over and over again and let your imagination fill in the gaps.

The other most tedious song of all time is The Eagles Lying Eyes - and for much the same reasons.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 01:34:45 CET 2002 from dv107s68.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.68.107)

Dexy

MattK -- IMND lyrics...Can't believe I'm in an "argument" with you of all people, but we'll just have to disagree. And, by the way, "We Just Disagree" ain't bad either. It features the great Mike Finnigan! (longtime GB'rs like MattK will recognize him as a personal favorite, along with GH and LH). ! And, finally, welcome back Bob Wigo.

Posted on Fri Jan 25 01:32:02 CET 2002 from spider-tk033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.188)

JTull Fan

I think we have to blame the 1976 Cincinnati Reds for the events that transpired that year in East Timor. Not only did they take peoples attention away from politics, Vietnam, and East Timor while ripping my Yankees 4 games straight in the World Series (I would have DONE SOMETHING about it had I not been so heartbroken over the 4 game sweep)but they sublimely fooled most of America's left-leaning youth (who also would have DONE SOMETHING) had they not been duped into thinking they were supporting some communist organization (by calling themselves the 'Reds')in whooping some 'damn Yankees'. I think Cincinnati may also have played 'Silly Love Songs' over their PA system just to irk the opposing team, kind of like that ad where the football team is in huddle and Minnie Ripperton is singing 'Loving yoooooo....lalalalala'.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 23:23:41 CET 2002 from du-tele3-011.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.11)

Peter Viney

East Timor & Silly love Songs: we all have our points of stand up and protest. For instance, since the early 1980s, my wife has believed that ownership of a Volvo car was morally reprehensible. This is due to a sustained 80s advertising campaign in the UK pointing out that the tank-like build ensured that in a collision the other party would be injured and you would walk away. She has never forgiven them. The present-day Volvo is a svelte car (Ford own them) that no longer relies on such messages, but she would never tolerate owning one. Nothing against Swedish engineering (even though Volvo used to advertise at the time that it had more British components than any British-made car. Oddly, they worked reliably in Volvos but not in Rovers or Jaguars!). Actually at the time we had a Saab which was equally robust, but far, far more sensitive in its advertising (they showed trees across the road rather than other cars which had been crushed by the mighty fenders). The ‘tank’ role of the Volvo has long been superseded by the 4WD with bull-bars, and the old ‘smash through anything / anyone / anytime’ role is held by the Toyota Land Cruiser Amazon and its ilk. Now just as I finished pondering Ben’s stand on East Timor, I went to the TV to find that ER in the UK is sponsored by Volvo. My wife was appalled! How could a programme like ER work with a company like Volvo? So, I get the point. BUT it really is a different thing.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 23:15:34 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-002neomahp1040.dialsprint.net (63.186.12.24)

Dave Z

Silly Little Love Songs used to bug me because they played it so much... but now I think it's kinda cute... It has a friendly warm family sound to it... Besides Lennon and Harrison seemed to be doing the social consciousness serious stuff even if done playfully... I kinda give Paul some credit for hanging with his wife and kids... and having some fun... That said, the song still bugs me if I have to listen to it too often...

Same goes for Bruce's Nebraska... too dark for too much play... don't really want to be taken all the way there... I still tear up during that song about his brother Frank... Band's version of Atlantic City is awesome... but it's the lonely screams and chants of Bruce echoing in the background that moves me...

Is or has Garth ever been an "absolute picther"?... not to be confused with relative, relief or starting pitcher... and we know he wields a stick... just wondering... I'm reading this Robert Jordain... and he's taken me somewhere beyond my grasp of musical uunderstanding... which is just a step or two into the cold lake water... where it's still shallow... heck, I don't even know what all this bass and drum technical mumbo jumbo is... I paint... while listening... Take care all...

Posted on Thu Jan 24 22:56:16 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Here's the gist, from what I understand, regarding NRBQ's affiliation with Bearsville: They signed with Albert Grossman's Bearsville label in 1982 and recorded at Bearsville studios that same year. Evidently, a rift over what material would be included on the upcoming release developed between the group and Warner Bros., Bearsville distribution partner. The group prevailed and the resulting album "Grooves In Orbit" was released the following year. The fallout from the rift, however, reportedly led to a falling out with Mr. Grossman. This led to a contractual problem where NRBQ couldn't release any new recordings for many years. Over the next several years they put out a series of live and previously unreleased studio recordings (dating back prior to their Bearsville contract) on small independent labels. In the meantime Mr. Grossman, sadly, passed away. Finally, in 1988, the contract problem was evidently resolved and NRBQ signed with Virgin. "Wild Weekend", released by Virgin contained their first "new" recordings in almost six years. There's no business like the music business, I guess.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 22:46:47 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tf053.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.43)

Brien Sz

Now Paul has to be socially conscious when he writes pop songs - lest he take some responsibility for the lives of third world citizens.

Wouldn't it be a kick if we found out Clinton loved Silly Love Songs.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 22:41:56 CET 2002 from du-tele3-004.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.4)

Peter Viney

Ben … sorry, while I understand that you're angry about East Timor, I really think that it has absolutely nothing to do with Silly Love Songs, sliced bread, Kojak or any other artifact of the era. It's probable that none of the perpetrators were aware of East Timor at the time. And I thought the message was that you'd have thought that people would have had enough of Silly Love Songs (like e.g. It Makes No difference) but what's wrong with that? Maybe you can't change the world but you can make individual people happy. Not deep. Not subtle. But fair enough .

On an older point, what's nationalistic about preferring Jefferson Airplane to The Doors? What in that leads you to a 'patriotic' defence of The Doors? I thought both bands were American.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 22:28:53 CET 2002 from spider-wa053.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.43)

Ben Pike

"Silly Love Songs" is not only a horrible record for all the obvious reasons, airhead lyrics, catchy like a bad head cold tune, crypto-disco arrangement, it is a darkly fascistic piece of doggeral that made the world a worse place to live in.

Consider 1976. It is just about a year since Ford, at Kissinger's behest, gave Indonesian butchers the go ahead to rip threw East Timor, in one of the worst Genocidal post war actions. And here's international do gooder Sir Paul; yes that's right kids, eat your veggies, but don't think about what's going on in the world, buy products and dream about "Silly Love Songs." How discusting. To this day, a fraction of the people who had that rotten song drilled into there heads know what the U.S. did out of petty, post Vietnam spite to a basicly defenceless third world nation. Now by the way, it looks like the U.S. will have to go in and sift though it's formor friends to find links to 9-11. What's wrong with building a world on "Silly Love Songs?" that is.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 22:28:03 CET 2002 from 12-243-212-169.client.attbi.com (12.243.212.169)

King Whistle

MattK: Favorite song about a dog in the rock era: Bugler by the Byrds on the overlooked (although admittedly spotty) 1972 album "Farther Along."

Posted on Thu Jan 24 22:00:33 CET 2002 from spider-tp062.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.202)

Joe

New Years Eve 1997 NRBQ opened for Levon Helm and the Crowmatix......NRBQ will be at the "Turning Point" Feb. 16th, 2002..I have my tickets.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 21:57:27 CET 2002 from dhcp21323.sunyocc.edu (198.242.213.23)

FRED FUNK

PLEASE: Does anyone have any information on the whereabouts of Doctor Pepper. We have been trying to contact him to wish him a Happy Birthday but can't seem to get through. Please, anyone. LiL?

Posted on Thu Jan 24 21:56:22 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

David P.: The NRBQ horns (Donn Adams and Keith Spring) are on the Martin Mull LP I mentioned yesterday - or maybe the day before. It was done in Woodstock, though I think not for Bearsville.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 21:47:10 CET 2002 from du-tele3-105.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.105)

Peter Viney

And another thing … nothing wrong with the lyrics to "It Makes No Difference". Or the vocal. And especially not the sax solo live.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 21:45:11 CET 2002 from du-tele3-105.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.105)

Peter viney

The main thing is, if I ever get to Cork, I'll be asking Hank to play King Harvest, 'I'll Tell Me Ma and Silly Love Songs. Have we got a deal?

Posted on Thu Jan 24 21:07:35 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Hi: You're correct -- I can tell you "Stay(ed) Awake". As an NRBQ fan of long standing, I always brag that the first time I saw Bruce Springsteen, he was the opening act for NRBQ. I certainly miss Big Al though. A classic Q moment is Al & the boys burning up Johnny Cash's "Get Rhythm" (from their "At Yankee Stadium" album). I seem to recall that NRBQ was briefly affiliated with the Bearsville label at one time.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 20:52:17 CET 2002 from 1cust38.tnt8.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.114.38)

Hi

David, Of course the answer is Garth on the Disney tribute record. Actually it was a medley with NRBQ included.

Cat's out of the bag.I became a rabid NRBQ fan shortly after the Band broke up in '76 and it probably contributed to my less enthusiastic reaction to the latter Band. Yea I miss Al too.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 19:21:52 CET 2002 from dialup-331.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.75)

Hank

It's easy to dismiss "Silly Love Songs" simply because of its title.....however, that section where they overlap the three strains is serious work because it gets right in yer brain........

1 I Love You

2 How ...can I tell....you about...my loved one?

3 I can't explain...... the feelings taking me ...now can't you see?

You see, doing that SOUNDS like so much fun.....most people LIKE hearing that on the radio without even knowing why...some people just dismiss it as overly clever and pandering.....try this.....if you can sing and know two others that will sing with you, you should try AND DO IT SOMETIME.......it's fun!!.....see if you don't like it then.......I do it with a drummer and his girlfriend sometimes after gigs for a laugh......in harmony....it gets peoples attention just by doing it.....three voices going for it.......of course , this is not to mention the brass, the disco strings and the rockin' bassline.....brings me right back to the summer of '76...I was 13...happy days...."Let 'em in" is great, too for sheer simplicity........and EVERYBODY wants to be let in, don't they?.....even those who don't like Macca...they wanna be let in, too....... Where Macca lets himself down....and I THINK this is what pisses people off..... is when he's being interviewed and it's obvious that he's talking shite and not being totally honest....whereas the other three always talked straight.......even if they were talking shite..........Also, McCartneys gotta problem with over-exposure........When the Beatles split up, he shoulda JOINED another band as a bassist/singer without having to be PAUL McCARTNEY all the time........but he is, at the end of the day, a melodic genius....no doubt about it.

Wot's all this 'bout bass players?.......I love the way that Bill Wyman doesn't play on the verses on "Honky Tonk Woman"....when he DOES kick in for the chorus the whole thing just lifts your ass onto the dance floor......Ricks bass fills on "Stagefright" seriously rock my soul, too.......however, I really don't think of Rick as a bass player....although he was great at that......Rick was a great Rick Danko. A total original........

Posted on Thu Jan 24 19:00:21 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

music gal: I am a longtime fan of NRBQ, although my interest waned a little when Al Anderson departed. For the uninitiated, this is one of the most exciting, fun groups around. If they come to your town -- go see them because they're best when they play live. Last month I mentioned that their debut album was one of my all-time favorites. Back then, Q was a quintet, with Terry & Joey along with vocalist Frankie Gadler, the excellent Tom Staley on drums and the incredible Steve Ferguson on guitar.

On "Rock Of Ages", The Band did a sizzling version of the Chuck Willis classic "(I Don't Want To) Hang Up My Rock And Roll Shoes". NRBQ, on their aforementioned first album, perform a derivative of that song, "Mama Get Down Those Rock And Roll Shoes", and they really tear it up. I've always enjoyed listening to those two versions back-to-back.

Here's a little trivia: A member of The Band, a while back, appeared on an album that also included an NRBQ performance. All right mouseketeers, name that album.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 18:47:14 CET 2002 from london-hse-ppp3547859.sympatico.ca (65.93.33.250)

Just Wonderin'

J Tull Fan: I always thought "You're Having My Baby" was Paul Anka's folly. Terrible song.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 18:43:33 CET 2002 from spider-tk033.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.188)

Ben Pike

When we get around to "it's a great song if you don't listen to the words" "super arrangement" "terrific BASS lines", ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we are practicing something, parodoxicly, less gifted artists seldom get the benefit of: SPECIAL PLEADING.

And what it is that makes it possible for a talent like Mac to put out songs as bad as "My Love" and "Comming Up"(I stand by my story)? Could it perhaps be, um, too many adoring fans ready to say "is someone wearing Chalamare?" every time he breaks wind? It bears consideration....

Midagating Paul's solo stinkers: Jet. Maybe I'm Amazed. Uncle Albert. Helen Wheels. Push To Play and Back To the Egg.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 18:21:34 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

Jtull Fan

Noxious lyrics? How about Neil Sedaka's 'You're Having My Baby?'

Posted on Thu Jan 24 18:09:59 CET 2002 from citrix3.doc.state.vt.us (159.105.102.8)

John Cass

A few things..

Sat March 2 Jim Weider & Honky Tonk Gurus will be playin at a freinds club Jilly's in my hometown Rutland VT hope to see some GBers there..

what ever happened to Richard Bell???

This Friday Levon and the fellas in Allston Mass hope to see some Gbers there also!!

Posted on Thu Jan 24 18:07:27 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

Ilkka: I am very interested in "Popular music from Vittula." (Kalervo: I love straight forward ;o)) Is there an English version yet? I have three sons...one approaching the vulgar age quite rapidly...so the book has great appeal to me. Please let me know. Thanks, Pekka, for the English translation.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 17:55:36 CET 2002 from spider-wg043.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.38)

Brien Sz

Forget all the schmaltzy McCartney lyrics. The worst offender of bad lyric writing is by Heart. The song, "All I Want To Do Is make Love To You" is by far the worst dribble ever written. Its elementary AB, AB pentameter stylings makes one wonder how they could even live with themselves for writing it. Easily a candidate for top 10 worst songs ever written. Now that's an interesting list, and yes Ebony and Ivory would go on that list for me as well.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 17:42:18 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

I saw Amos Garrett at Hugh's Room last night. He was his usual excellent self. Closed the night with "Conversation With John Lee" from his "Live Off The Floor" CD. That's the one where he talks about growing up in Willowdale - a Toronto suburb - and going downtown to bar hop along the Yonge Street strip. Mentioned, as he does on the CD, our guys - with and without Hawkins - plus David Clayton Thomas and the Shays, Dianne Brooks and the Silhouettes, Robbie Lane and the Disciples, Jon-Lee and the Checkmates, Little Caesar and the Consuls ... Those of you in the UK might like to know that he and Geoff Muldaur will be playing a few club dates as a duo in May.

As for the future, I'm sure the earth will be around in 500 years, but not humans. Not even Keith Richards can survive our noxious behaviour. And while I can see the surviving cockroaches singing Dylan, I just don't think they'd go for the Beatles - despite the bug connection.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 17:29:03 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

JTull Fan

I'm a little late on the bass player thread but I think Spinal Tap closed the books on it back in the early '90s on their reunion special when they had 3 or 4 bassists going at it simultaneously on stage. 'If more guitars are better', they reasoned, 'then why not add 2 or 3 more basses?'.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 16:49:01 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-72.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.72)

MattK

Dexy,

The "It Makes No Difference" lyrics thread has been done before. I don't think the lyrics are "bad," as much as I think they are (purposefully) maudlin (according Websters: "1 : drunk enough to be emotionally silly 2 : weakly and effusively sentimental."

If one accepts the premise that IMND is a kind of "cowboy love song," then lines like...

These old love letters
Well, I just can't keep
'Cause like the gambler says
Read 'em and weep

...don't seem "bad" in context, since they fit the mood of the peice. Taken on their own, however, the lyrics are, pretty much, a series of cliches, no less (or more) effective, than say:

And when the cupboard's bare,
I'll still find something there with my love.
It's understood, it's everywhere with my love,
my love does it good.
Wo, wo, wo, wo, wo, wo, wo, wo, my love does it good.

I'm not comparing the quality of the songs. Like I say, the lyrics on IMND work in context that the lyrics to "My Love" don't (since the latter has no context beyond being a pop love song). However, one COULD argue that pop love songs are traditionally cliches, lyrically, and therefore no more offensively gooey than your average doo wop song:

Why do birds sing so gay
And lovers await the break of the day
Why do they fall in love?
Why does the rain fall from up above?
Why do fools fall in love? Why do they fall in love?

Posted on Thu Jan 24 16:31:35 CET 2002 from dv107s68.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.68.107)

Dexy

MattK -- "It Makes No Difference" as an example of bad lyrics? Wo, can't go with you there. Maybe my favorite ongoing Band moment is when those cattles rattle the walls. Also "just to keep myself from tellin' you..." A lot of it is Rick, but it's also the words. AND, re: Paul McC (and the general thread): I've been listening to The Fabs a lot lately (as I guess I've done for about 35-odd years). I know John worked his songs and vice-versa, but "For No One," "Blackbird," "USSR," "Penny Lane," "Rigby," etc. etc. -- Why was he so much cooler, and so better at lyrics in the '60s?

Posted on Thu Jan 24 16:26:54 CET 2002 from p6213-ipad01souka.saitama.ocn.ne.jp (61.207.88.213)

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Posted on Thu Jan 24 15:17:50 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-72.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.72)

MattK

I find myself in agreement with JTull on Sir Paul. While he's my least favorite Beatle, it's a mistake to toss some songs out entirely, based on crappy lyrics (after all, "It Makes No Difference" ain't exactly Proust).

I never minded the duets with Jacko so much. "Say, Say, Say" has a very nice hook, and "That Girl is Mine" is a lovely melody (though the spoken word refrain pretty much ruins the song, it's true - but we'll hold Q responsible for that bit). The mid-to-late 70s stuff comes off a bit goofy (Little Luck, Silly Love Songs, et al).

Somehow, My Love has always been one I liked, though. I guess it's that being a kid in summertime associations. True, it ain't Baby I'm Amazed (which has a pretty pedestrian lyric too), but it's a heck of a lot better than the goo coming from The Babys or 10CC around that same time.

Side question, is "Jet" the best song about a dog in the rock era ("Hound Dog" doesn't count).

Matt

PS - Bayou Sam, I'm a sax player by trade. By fight, I didn't mean argue or brawling (though I've seen that too). I meant "fight" more in a musical sense, as in "the bass player and drummer fought all night to get in synch."

Posted on Thu Jan 24 14:42:53 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

JTull Fan

To properly judge McCartney's music you sometimes have to block out the words. For example, I am tired of reviewers knocking 'My Love' for being superficial and saccharine (which, it is now revealed is safer then Nutrasweet), when the music itself is beautiful and sublime. My Love has perhaps one of McCartney's best bass lines. True, McCartney can write great lyrics (Hey Jude), but more often than not his strength is as a tunesmith versus lyricist, and there is nothing wrong with that. Dittoes on Take it Away. Not much a lyrical effort, but a great song with excellent tempo seques. I agree with the Pikester's list of McCartney songs as not being of his best quality, but they are not as bad say, as some of the items that can be found on Lennon's Some Time in NYC. At least Paul relegated Linda to backing vocals. And unlike Lennon, who sang protest songs for Attica inmates, at least McCartney has good taste in his current musical dedications. He should do a cover of the early Beatles cover Chains for our guests at Guantanamo. 'Chains. My Baby's got me locked up in chains...'

Posted on Thu Jan 24 14:25:21 CET 2002 from (212.210.132.162)

Emanuele "The Beards"

HI! ALL THE BAND FANS, I 'M NOT PRESENT IN THIS GUESTBOOK FROM A YEAR! I RETURN TO WORK ON MY ITALIAN THE BAND SITE WITH REALAUDIO AND REALVIDEO FROM MORE LIVE OF THE BAND. HI.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 12:18:20 CET 2002 from (203.59.30.112)

Pekka

Click the "web page" link above for an English presentation of Illka's "Popular music from Vittula." Very Finnish, indeed.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 12:16:49 CET 2002 from 1cust153.tnt2.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.108.153)

HI

Here's a vote for NRBQ's Joey Spampinato bass and Tom Ardolino drums. Keyboard player Terry Adams no doubt could have played bass lines too but instead covers a lot of more other area...in a sort of Johnnie Johnson meets Thelonious Monk style... if you can check 'em out live.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 11:03:53 CET 2002 from p50853373.dip.t-dialin.net (80.133.51.115)

ulbiman

Hi ! Brown eyed girl: Good that someone remembers Sly and Robbie ! But here´s another one. What about Crazy Horse´s Talbot and Molina !? PV: Sir Paul did a lot silly things after the split of the Beatles, but with Driving rain he´s back in the sunshine again.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 10:48:47 CET 2002 from (194.82.127.139)

David Hughes

I've never heard such original, or better sounding music. truly great. Also a superb website. The best ever.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 10:07:32 CET 2002 from du-tele3-050.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.50)

Peter Viney

Like most “Best of” albums in existence, Ben’s “Worst of Sir Paul” is a good effort, but has a few errors. The main missing one is ‘The Frog Chorus” from the Rupert the Bear cartoon, a big hit here and an outstanding piece of schlock by any standard. However, competently played and the lyrics (written for 4 year olds) are still more intelligent than ‘The End.’ ‘Give Ireland Back to the Irish’ should have been included surely? It’s not the sentiment that offends, but the dumb song and the knee-jerk attempt to cash in on politics. Then a ‘Worst of …’ shouldn’t include records that are actually very good indeed like ‘Coming Up’. We’re back in the days when Paul Simon and Paul McCartney were reggae enthusiasts long before anyone else. ‘Silly love songs’ is a clever and intricate arrangment and is being chosen on title, not music. Ebony and Ivory has crass lyrics, but it is also hugely singable in that late period Stevie Wonder way, and while I’d hate to be stuck on a desert island with it as the only record, it’s got virtues. Love him or not, if the Earth is still here in 500 years, the only composers of our era guaranteed to be still performed and sung are Lennon / McCartney and Bob Dylan.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 08:00:38 CET 2002 from (194.100.60.131)

Kalervo

Ilkka: I am glad that you didn' t translate Vittula into English because we Scandinavians are maybe more straightforward in 'these' things!

Ben:I agree Loudon Wainwright is a national treasure, like his son Rufus is a national hope. But I really envy you seeing my great hero:Van Dyke Parks. He is the greatest master of Americana. It is a cultural shame that he is still a cult hero. Somehow it is typical that it is the German guy called Jan who has made great homepages for VDP. Just click web page above.There are thousands of lesser talents who get praised here and everywhere.

If I remember right Something Stupid which is number one in Great Britain by Robbie Williams and Nicole Kidman is written by Van Dyke' s brother Carson...

Posted on Thu Jan 24 07:47:15 CET 2002 from a204b210n116client140.hawaii.rr.com (204.210.116.140)

Curtis

Okay I know this is ambiguous but does anyone know of a woman named Nancy who was married to the lead singer of Mountain? She is from Brazil and I met her in San Diego a couple of years ago when she was working at Humphries. I have been trying to find her to no avail. Last I heard she may have moved back to Brazil.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 06:35:36 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp72139.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.199.202)

brown eyed girl

AMANDA: WOMEN AND DRUMS....There's also SHEILA E....The daughter of Pete "Coke" Escovedo who played briefly with Santana.......Then he played latin-jazz fusion with Azteca....Sheila was discovered by Prince....His name in 1984....In 2000 she produced and co-composed the music for the first LATIN GRAMMY AWARDS....Her latest recording Writes Of Passage....latin jazz.....and husband and wife team....from TALKING HEADS and.....Richard can help me out here....bass player TINA WEYMOUTH and drummer CHRISTOPHER FRANTZ....is that co-operation or what?.....Also ME SHELL NDEGEOCELLO....worked with John Mellencamp....Wild Night....and others.....

REGGAE....REBEL MUSIC MON! Two of the busiest people around....Drummer Lowell 'SLY' DUNBAR (fan of Sly Stone...me too) and bass player ROBBIE SHAKESPEARE....Shakespeare has played with Marley...."Stir It Up"....and both of them have played with Peter Tosh, Tosh and Jagger (Keep On Walking) Don't Look Back, Black Uhuru....my fave....CHILL OUT....fave song....EMOTIONAL SLAUGHTER....This group also wrote THE YOUTH OF EGLINTON.....about the youth in the hood where I teach....I saw them open for THE CLASH....Shaka Demus and the Pliers....When I was sitting in Day O's in NYC in the West Village....this song was coming through the speakers.....Norbert...the corn bread is sooooo good there......Luciano....Kalervo likes him...:-D....Beenie Man, and other ragga/reggae artists....as well as....Grace Jones, Joe Cocker, Jagger, Dylan, Ian Dury, Herbie Hancock, Maxi Priest, Cindy Lauper, Barry Reynolds, Carly Simon and Ina Kamoze.....Norbert....the rapper Rollarocka from Haarlem, Holland saw them perform in a NY club....so yes they do actually play live these days!....latest recording.....DRUM AND BASS STRIP TO THE BONE....SLY, ROBBIE, HOWIE B.....Howie B worked with another ROBBIE.....

Posted on Thu Jan 24 05:58:52 CET 2002 from spider-tf023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.183)

Ben Pike

Can anyone claim to knowing anyone who admits to liking "Silly Love Songs?" Yes, it was a hit (along with the damn near as bad "Let'um In") behind Paul's first, rare U.S. tour, but hey, Hitler had a following for awhile too. It is simply as bad as anything Pop music has ever produced.

And as long as PV started in on the Doors(who I'm not THAT crazy about, but hey, I have to stand up for my country) I give you:

ROYAL CRAPPOLA: The Worst Of Sir Paul McCartney-an album to play for the Afgan Prisoners to get around the Geneva convention.

Coming Up. Teddy Boy. Hi Hi Hi. Wonderful Christmas Time. Say Say Say. The Girl Is Mine. Ebony And Ivory. With A little Luck. Cook Of The House. Bluebird. Silly Love Songs. My Love. Pipes Of Peace. Spys Like Us.

Posted on Thu Jan 24 03:11:41 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tk014.proxy.aol.com (64.12.107.24)

Bayou Sam

Random thoughts =

Silly Love Songs was not one of Paul's greatest songwriting moments (it sold a shit load of 45's though), but it is one of his coolest bass playing recordings. Listen to the bass next time.

Harry and Mim = I love that "engine room" description of the drums/bass.

David Powell = nice to see Macca's first album mentioned. I hate when people focus on the home-style recording instead of the nice album that it is. Paul plays everything on it - very well.

Jenny T. = The fact that you can pick out the Band backing Dylan so easily, is simply because you love the sound of them so much, it's engrained in your head. It's all about feel. You FEEL the sound they make. It's the same reason why Levon and Rick worked so well with each other. No musical reason needed - they just grooved, and felt what each other were doing in a song. If you look at my last post you will see where Levon's heart was (is), when it came to making music with Rick.

Everyone keeps mentioning bands without bass players. When they cut records SOMEBODY layed down some kind of bass - no? A studio musician perhaps. Also, this discussion about playing pedals on an organ being the same. No, not for me. Let's see someone do some John Entwistle runs with their left foot, and I'll be convinced.

Great bass/drums combo in a song = The Beatles' "Rain".

Amanda = GO FOR IT GIRL - get yourself a set of drums. They're big, loud, take up alot of room, and are a pain-in-the-ass to transport. But they are worth it. They are wonderful to play. You can play soft, and they'll sooth you. You can beat the hell out of them, and they won't mind......... I've always said, that the last material possesion I would ever part with, are my beloved old Ludwigs

Posted on Thu Jan 24 03:12:06 CET 2002 from spider-wn011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.151)

music gal

Oh my...never thought I'd see NRBQ mentioned here! long time reader, first time poster. Dave, tell me more. Big fan? or Casual listener?

Posted on Thu Jan 24 01:46:10 CET 2002 from dialin-1430-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.6.160)

Gene

Pat, you're okay, but I never really bonded with Felix & the gang. Groovin'???

Posted on Wed Jan 23 22:24:18 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

I almost forgot about bassist Joey Spampinato and ivory man Terry Adams of NRBQ -- both fine singers as well.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 22:18:20 CET 2002 from dialup-63.215.112.141.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.112.141)

Pat Brennan

Gene, you heathen, I forgive you. However, David Powell....

Posted on Wed Jan 23 21:24:53 CET 2002 from du-tele3-034.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.34)

Peter Viney

Harry & Mim: on bass players, we’re in total agreement!

Lots of interesting stuff today. Now in my opinion, Savoy Brown were near to the most boring band I ever saw, so I’m unable to give any opinion. They were unbelievably tedious. At least though, unlike The Doors, they knew how to tune their instruments and were capable of playing in tune live. So Kay, if you write a review, roast them! You’ll only need one CD and one track. They’re much the same. I saw them at least three times, because I hark back to the days when three or four bands featured at every college gig, and in those days we hadn’t worked out that you were supposed to go to the bar during crap acts. Equally dull were the Groundhogs (and sorry, I agree with Bill – so was the rhythm section of Fleetwood Mac circa 1968). In that era, the ones I appreciated were Family, Spooky Tooth, Blossom Toes, Joe Cocker (long before he was a star), Alan Bown Set, Steampacket featuring Julie Driscoll & Rod Stewart (long, long before he was a star) and a young lad called Jimi Hendrix. But generally I like my blues American. This is my problem with Van’s present band – the bass player plays like he was in Savoy Brown in 1968.

Tonight’s listening is a must for the drummers out there – The Charlie Watts - Jim Keltner project.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 20:49:32 CET 2002 from dialin-7-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.1.7)

Gene

You got me, David, I forgot THOSE Rascals! Ha Ha

Posted on Wed Jan 23 20:45:11 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Gene: What about that great rhythm section from the Little Rascals -- Spanky & Alfalfa?

Posted on Wed Jan 23 20:31:12 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

I'll second the thought that Danny Kirwan was great in early Fleetwood Mac. All the guitarists (Jeremy Spencer being the third in the early days) were terrific. Too bad they played the blues though.

Re tubas: I always liked Martin Mull's "Dueling Tubas". Lots of Woodstockers on that LP, including Amos Garrett, if no Band guys.

In the '70s rock bassists seemed more wasted than anyone else onstage, so were fun to watch. I don't think I ever saw any of them drool, but close to it. The archetypal photo in my mind, 'cause it was the first one I had, is of Nick St Nicholas inside the Steppenwolf Live gatefold.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 20:15:47 CET 2002 from dialin-7-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.1.7)

Gene

I LOVE the Band, but Rascals, Young Rascals or any other Rascals, I can do without.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 20:11:13 CET 2002 from dialup-65.57.11.176.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.57.11.176)

Pat Brennan

Concerning John Anderson, I recall an interview wherein he said you only really needed to own two albums; Axis-Bold As Love and The Brown Album.

There has been plenty of great bassist-free bands: the Rascals, Traffic, Lee Michaels with Frosty, all the great organ trios and assorted permutations (Stanley Turrentine's groups for example), some of Coltrane's and Ronny Rollins's experiments, Nat King Cole and George Shearing ensembles, Bill Evans's "Conversations" albums. That said, the genius of a great rhythm is always magic to behold, although I don't think you can't enjoy the Band if you appreciate any of the above groups.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 20:04:07 CET 2002 from spider-tk083.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.213)

Ben Pike

"Only The Good Die Young" deserves a place in the wimp rock hall of shame right next to "Silly Love Songs""We Just Disagree"and "Island Girl".

Saw Van Dyke Parks (and David Mansfeild) jamming with Loudon Wainwright the other night on a breif trip to the city of Angels. Parks called Wainwright "a national treasure", how true.

Maybe the Band started this "who needs a bass player" thing, by using a tuba on "Rag Mama Rag." But unless you want a tuba on every song, I don't think there is much to it.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 19:56:42 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tg063.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.178)

Harry & Mim

Fellow Band Devotees:

Who could profess to enjoy The Band's music while claiming that "the music would be allright without bass players????"

They are the "engine room" of all GOOD rock/rock & roll/r&b/jazz/blues (and many other) "combos"... Imagine the Rolling Stones without the rock solid "base" of Wyman & Watts (and please don't forget Keith Richards' rhythm guitar, which is a MONSTER by itself); the Beatles without McCartney & Starrs' contributions; etc.,etc.,etc. John Coltrane without Elvin Jones, Muddy Waters without Willie Dixon. Rhythm (provided by bass & drums, along with piano colorations & RHYTHM guitar) is A LARGE PART of what makes the music we enjoy what it is. I dunno, maybe I enjoy "different" music than you folks do...

The bass & drums are EXTREMELY noticeable when played POORLY - when they are played SUBLIMELY (eg: Danko & Helm; Stax rhythm section; Motown rhythm section; Waters & Wolfs' bass & drums), they fit in perfectly & add their own CONSIDERABLE worth, and, when you do take the time to "pick them out" by themselves, you will be astounded at the individual musicianship, and how it then complements the band sound as a whole, completely rounding out the total composition.

Most (if not all) "rock" music would be NOWHERE without 'em.

Greetings -

Mim & Har

Dr. John coming for his annual mid-February gig at the Keswick Theatre, Glenside, PA. Got to give him some of them blinking mardi gras beads....

Posted on Wed Jan 23 19:42:09 CET 2002 from spider-wp061.proxy.aol.com (205.188.201.201)

Brien Sz

On playing and learning music. In my teens and twenties I played in several jazz, concert and rock bands on a variety of instruments. I was told and have witnessed that folks who are tone deaf (can't sing for trying) have a much harder time learning music - both recognizing notes and keeping beat. It isn't that they can't do it -it's just that the road to doing it successfully is going to be much greater. Now before people say "I can't sing and I play", there is a distinction. Just because one doesn't have a good voice doesn't mean they are tone deaf. I played in a band with a drummer who couldn't hit a musical note if he fell on it and consequently couldn't keep a straight simple beat through an entire song (and he played in a concert band). He did however recognize this and we were able to adapt to playing music around a very quirky off beat structure or he played simple tympani. We even wrote rock songs that allowed for a hiccup to accomodate for his shortcoming. In our rock band, We had surprisingly catchy songs but the band never really left the garage band circuit. Just a note that adapting to ones limitations turns weaknesses into strengths.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 19:35:09 CET 2002 from dialin-7-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.1.7)

Gene

Just want to add that Danny Kirwan was a pretty decent guitarist, too, with the early incarnation of 'Mac.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 19:29:06 CET 2002 from dialup-166.90.69.149.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.69.149)

Pat Brennan

Ilkka, there have been a number of bands that didn't use keyboards that I have managed to enjoy. Also, some that didn't use drums. Some that were just keyboards and drums, and two which were that just employed keyboards. Some didn't have bass. It doesn't mean we don't love you, or Jan, or any of the other bassists who congregate here. However, I do recall a good bass player joke: How many bassists does it take to screw in a light bulb? None. The keyboardist can do it with his left hand.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 19:23:54 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Dave: I agree with you on the vocal capabilities of the Eagles Henley / Schmit rhythm section. Timothy B. Schmit's predecessor in the group, Randy Meisner, was also an excellent singer as well as bassist. Glen Frey often switches from guitar to the piano chair in the rhythm section. That said, it's my personal opinion that, although the Eagles started out as "a group" enterprise, over the years it's evolved into little more than a tightly-controlled, Henley / Frey entity that treats the accompanists as hired hands. Henley & Frey are the lead vocalists, who, only occasionally, share that lead spotlight with anyone else.

In the case of Paul McCartney -- he is a band unto himself, as he proved on his first solo album. I've always admired his bass playing just as much as his singing. He is also a talented guitarist and pianist as well, and, like Richard Manuel, can play the skins too.

Steve & Amanda: Levon got to do some s(w)inging with John Anderson on Mr. Anderson's 1996 album, "Paradise". You can hear them singing together, appropriately, on a cong called "The Band Played On". Mark Knopfler also appears on that album, playing guitar on several other songs.

Regarding the great Peter Green -- A wonderful thing happened at the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremonies in 1998, the year that Fleetwood Mac and Santana (as well as the Eagles) were inducted. Mr. Green, who was there as a founding member of Fleetwood Mac, also performed with Santana on "Black Magic Woman". Carlos Santana, it seems persuaded Mr. Green, the song's composer, to join him on second lead guitar.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 19:06:49 CET 2002 from du44-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.44)

Ilkka (again)

How could I forget this: Happy 50th Birthday Pekka Pohjola (the _bass_ player in Wigwam; mentioned on this site as related artists).

Posted on Wed Jan 23 18:50:29 CET 2002 from stx32.library.uiuc.edu (130.126.32.133)

Susan

Jenny T, I'm in a similar place in trying to comprehend rhythms and the beat. I have a resident guitar player to help me out now and then, but it really seems to come down to training those non-musician ears to distinguish what we now can't. You have to learn to count, and it's not easy, at least for me. The Band is probably not the best group to practice on, either, because they do love to play around the beat.

The recommended videos help, but the trick is learning to hear and feel where one is, and then notice how the players place the accents, as Steve says. The trick is to find one and stick with it even as the music slides around the beat. It takes effort and practice.

I'm always grateful when people like Steve talk about this sort of thing.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 18:45:41 CET 2002 from 1cust154.tnt1.pocatello.id.da.uu.net (63.14.169.154)

rollie

BASS PLAYERS HAVE BIG BOTTOMS!

Posted on Wed Jan 23 18:23:33 CET 2002 from du44-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.44)

Ilkka

The most stupid thread in the history of this gb: "A bass player is not necessary in any band."
My (semi)intellectual comment to this thread: I am a bass player - and if that is not enough for you , the allmighty God is the bass player of the Universe - and if that is not enough for you , the allmighty webmaster Mr. Høiberg is a bass player. Don't mess around with us three!

After wasting my (and your) time with this completely unnecessary thread I have a pleasure to post following news:
The most important rock music book recently in Sweden is (freely translated) "Popular music from Vittula". Vittula is a place in the North of Sweden near the Finnish border. Situated in Canada it could be in Northwest Territories. Miles and miles from the Polar Circle. - The leading Swedish motion picture company is planning to make a road movie of this book. They are going to have a screen test with _all_ of my students to find the original Swedish-Finnish rocking youngsters for this film. (A personal note: every now and then I use to have a part-time job as a high school teacher.) - BTW I liked Steve Knowlton's short comments about rhytm sections earlier today. It says like it is, IMHO.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 17:44:01 CET 2002 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Kay

I've been asked to write about Savoy Brown, playing in Los Alamos next weekend. I am ignorant of this band and their website is not very helpful. Peter Viney mentioned them recently, in passing, and is evidently not too impressed. Do any of you guys have opinions or concert stories to tell me? I'm gonna pick up some CDs and try to get an interview, but it helps to have some perspective. Feel free to e-mail me offline. . .and thanks.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 17:34:30 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

Steve: I agree with you regarding John Anderson. Have you heard Seminole Wind? He sounds SO much like Levon.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 17:00:04 CET 2002 from host-65.subnet-76.med.umich.edu (141.214.76.65)

Steve Knowlton

Amanda: One singer who always strikes me as sounding a lot like Levon is country singer John Anderson (first hit it big in the early 80s with "Swinging", then had a comeback in the early 90s with "Straight Tequila Night", etc.) Not to be confused with Jon "Tales of Topographic Oceans" Anderson.

Jenny T: What sounds unique about Danko/Helm's rhythm section is where they place the downbeats. Your average section (e.g. Fleetwood/McVie, at least on early records) would play a strong accent directly on the first beat of the measure, then a lighter accent on the third. The Band's guys tended to stick the accents in slightly different places, such as just a little ahead or behind the piano. When Richard played drums, he always stuck the accents right on the one, same as his piano style.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 16:31:18 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

I found (2) set lists for the Danko/Manuel shows...they were 98% Band songs. The Levon/Rick shows appear to be half blues, half Band. It seems that Levon, from late 70s, was really grasping his blues roots and moving towards the artistic place he is today. He did play at least one solo show(I found one in Storr, CT in 84)with mostly Band material from mid to late 80s. The 90s version Band did several strictly Band sets. I think it is a testament to all three survivors...Levon, Garth and Robbie...that they are all active musically...perhaps in places that inspired them initially...Levon with his soulful drumming and playing the blues with the Barnburners, Garth with Sea To The North and his eclectic brilliance and Robbie with his production work(Brown Eyed Girl: The Olympic show sounds so exciting)and Native American music.Most of us have a fantasy of Levon, Garth and Robbie doing another version of The Band and we all have probably thought about...maybe... what singer that we have heard...could do the vocals...I know that I always pick up on a Levon sound...from some male vocalists. A great fantasy, but probably not a reality...and would it be a satisfying experience for the musicians or the fans? I love what the original five gave and what Levon, Garth and Robbie are giving us now...really...how could I ask for more?

Posted on Wed Jan 23 16:20:55 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

First, Amos Garrett's playing Toronto tonight - at Hugh's Room at Bloor and Dundas.

Second, British blues boom groups: I agree with Peter Viney that Peter Green was Fleetwood Mac's secret weapon, but not for his blues abilities as much as his non-blues songwriting and playing. Stuff like "Man Of The World", "Black Magic Woman" and much more. I'd say that Fleetwood and Mac themselves remained boring and tedious right to the end; it was always the work of the other players and singers that elevated the group.

My favourite record from the British blues boom era is McKenna Mendelson Mainline's "Stink". A Toronto band, actually, but McKenna was so taken with Green that they moved to England to record and gig until homesickness set in. In one way it's unfortunate that McKenna was impressed by the British style, as it meant he left behind his Robbie Robertson-influenced style. (That style was captured on the group's first record, "Blues", which, like "Stink" was reissued a few years ago on CD.)

Posted on Wed Jan 23 16:11:33 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-ta054.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.44)

Charlie Young

Jenny: you can click on the above link for the Homespun Tapes website that offers instructional videos by both Levon and Rick (there is also a link that works to the John Jackson bio that didn't work yesterday). These are an expensive way to answer your question, but they are great in terms of musical education and entertainment. The Helm video offers more actual musical performances, but Rick's will show you how his "percussive" technique worked when he slaps his bass. There's also an interesting section about why he switched to a fretless electric bass around the time of STAGEFRIGHT. I also love the point on the Danko bass video when Rick quips, "I knew it would come to this..."

Speaking of Rick: has anyone heard from Diamond Lil?

Posted on Wed Jan 23 15:28:58 CET 2002 from (216.5.93.6)

Jenny T

Speaking of rhythm sections, I wish someone out there who knows more about musicianship than I do could explain to me exactly what was unique about Rick and Levon's style in terms that a non-musician can understand. I know my 7 year old can always tell when it is the Band backing Dylan, even when there is nothing obviously Band-ish going on with the guitar, piano or organ, so I am wondering how he (and I) can tell.

I have heard Rick's style described as "percussive" but I'm not sure what that means. It sounds awfully funky and "bouncy" to me a lot of the time is all I know. And I have read Levon's description of his way of playing drums without understanding what he means. Any clues?

Posted on Wed Jan 23 14:59:40 CET 2002 from london-hse-ppp3546357.sympatico.ca (65.93.28.18)

Just Wonderin'

You can go to cnn.com to get info on the opening ceremonies. Good to see Robbie involved.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 14:38:06 CET 2002 from p3234-ipad02souka.saitama.ocn.ne.jp (61.214.15.234)

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Posted on Wed Jan 23 14:22:08 CET 2002 from (194.100.60.131)

Kalervo

Thank you Brown Eyed Girl for informing Winter olympics' opening ceremony...Really nice to see Robbie and Rita there...I am a sport fan (I have tried to get rid of it, but it is a disease!), so I have some small signs of games fever (God bless Peggy Lee) already, although I and millions of other soccer fans are waiting more for Summer (World Championships)!

What about the artist list of over 50 years and still creative? I start some names: Robbie, Bruce Cockburn, Caetano Veloso, Gilberto Gil, Dick Gaughan, Jackie Leven....Who else? Of course in classical music, modern music, blues, and jazz there are lots of names....

Posted on Wed Jan 23 12:36:32 CET 2002 from pd95369c3.dip.t-dialin.net (217.83.105.195)

ulbiman

Hello there! It is very funny for me to read about the bass-player discussion. But please believe me: Drums and bass are the heart and soul of (every) rock´n roll music!! What we don´t need are walls of synthesizers, drum machines and guitar players who couldn´t find an end! By the way this is my debut in the guestbook. Love to all from "the" german band fan

Posted on Wed Jan 23 10:19:32 CET 2002 from 1.ppp1-13.oeke.tiscali.no (213.142.84.1)

Trond Tufte

Hi, Nice to see this site. I've been devoted to The Band for years.As you've mentioned in Rick's history, we built some instruments for him. Also, we made a hollowbody 5-string bass which I know he did appreciate. Anyway, in these days, we're "recreating" the workshop (Formerly Jonas Fjeld Trading-he is part of this too), needing all the support we can get. Our website is so far only in norwegian, but english version will appear soon.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 08:54:25 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tg011.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.151)

Tommy

Hello friends...........I know it's been awhile.I haven't had much to say.Just wanted to stop in and say HI so you wouldn't forget me.So, here goes..........

HI!!!!!!

OK, I'll be in touch.Take care, kids!!!

Posted on Wed Jan 23 06:45:09 CET 2002 from cpe0080c6f0a856.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.101.110.233)

John D

TEACH.....your children well..........well, well.......CSNY coming soon.......

Posted on Wed Jan 23 06:08:58 CET 2002 from dialup-65.56.140.16.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.56.140.16)

Pat Brennan

Jimmy Smith, Jack McDuff, and almost all the rest of the boss B3 players actually did most of their bass work with their left hands on the lower keyboard manual while using the bass pedals to emphasize (or "kick" as they say) certain notes for dynamics, thus the term "kicking the bass." Smith supposedly invented this approach. Winwood and Cavaliere did the same. Joey DeFrancesco actually walks the pedals alot but does use the Jimmy Smith technique too when he feels it.

On another front, I always liked the Danko/Manuel shows because you got the most Band songs for your buck. The Levon/Rick shows couldn't cover a lot of Band territory, relying instead on blues tunes and standards for a fair part of the set.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 05:12:39 CET 2002 from as3-1-59.hip.berkeley.edu (136.152.193.237)

Dave Hopkins

David Powell: The only way I can think of to respond to your question is to cheat by citing the Beatles in their "Let It Be" instrumentation, with McCartney on piano, Lennon on bass and Starr on drums. And though I like Ringo a lot, he's not as good a singer as Levon was in the Band days. Obviously there are few groups featuring multiple vocalists from the rhythm section...the later-version Eagles are another, with Don Henley and Tim Schmit, or, to turn to a quite different type of music, the Beastie Boys, with Adam Yauch on bass and Mike Diamond on drums. But I think our Band takes the prize. Actually, the three-singers, two-keyboardists lineup worked out so well that I'm a bit surprised that it hasn't been copied more by later groups.

As a sometime bassist myself, I'm loath to admit that the instrument is ever dispensible, though the Hammond-pedal work of Jimmy Smith and Jack McDuff, among others, can be mind-blowing. One current band I'm quite fond of that works well without a bass player is Sleater-Kinney. Their rhythm guitarist fills up the space by emphasizing the low strings of the guitar, and the drummer, Janet Weiss, who's one of the finest working today in my opinion, provides a really solid rhythmic underpinning so that the additional punch of the bass guitar isn't missed at all.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 04:48:04 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda...again

Bob Wigo & Bayou Sam...it is great that you are drummers. I have been thinking of trying to play just for my own pleasure...gotta work on my husband to fork out the cash for a drum set. I have always loved singing drummers. You have to admire someone who can take coordination to the highest level. Another great singing drummer is Doyle Bramhall from Texas. There are also several female drummers that sing...Gina Schock/The Go Gos, Lori Barberol/Babes in Toyland, Moe Tucker from The Velvet Underground did a little singing/drumming and of course...Karen Carpenter and several jazz players that I don't recall their names. Regardless if they sing or not...for me...the drummer is the most exciting musician on the stage. I guess because the drums involve the whole body. Drummers also seem to have the most expressive faces...you get a visual feel for the music. Look at all the photos we have seen of Levon playing with the Barnburners...you can see, by his face, that he is ALL about the BLUES.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 03:43:40 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

Peggy Lee was not just a singer, but a lyricist and composer too. Ms. Lee's career stood the test of time...through all kinds of popular music. She recorded over 700 songs and 60 albums. Ms. Lee wrote several songs for a movie many of us loved as children...Disney's Lady and the Tramp. Peggy Lee was a spiritual woman with a generous and kind heart. She supported many charities and helped raise money for female musicians in need of support or funding for educational pursuits. Peggy Lee was a remarkable lady and artist who contributed a great deal to many musical eras. She will definitely be remembered as a woman who "went for it" in a male dominated business.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 02:38:05 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tc011.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.151)

Bayou Sam

Well of course you need a bass player. I found MattK's thoughts on drums/bass interesting ( what do you play Matt?) I am a drummer, and I never "fought" with the bass player. The bass guitar and bass drum are kind of working together to set the pace. The snare drum though is probably the metronome that everyone is listening to. This will sound baised because I drum - but I once read something about a band being able to get through a gig with a so-so player on just about any insrument, except the drums. I think that's accurate.

I was skimming through the Max Weinberg book and the Levon interview that I'm going to get to Jan - and I had to share this great bit with you all, where Levon is talking about being in Woodstock with Rick and Garth, and the fact that Richard is going to move back there - and I love what he says about Rick, and you will too.

".....Richard is one of those key guys. Rick too, because he helps Richard write so good. So I'm kind of lookin' forward to seeing them get back together. Richard can write good songs when he wants to. And Rick knows how to get them out of him. Rick is like a damn musical sponge. You can drop just one bit of music out there, and, boy, he can soak it up and squeeze out a cupful. He's one of the best guys to play catch with. If you got some musical balls to bounce around, he's the guy to play catch with."

There's your drummer/bass player relationship right there.

Hey - where's Tommy from Brooklyn been?

Posted on Wed Jan 23 02:29:37 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

U2 has a great rhythm section..if you can get past the lead singer...rather difficult considering the size of his head.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 02:16:57 CET 2002 from i030-114.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.30.114)

Nancy

Norbert: My post was never meant to be nasty and mean spirited, and I regret writing it now I know that's how it sounded to you. My apologies to you and to Brown Eyed Girl.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 02:01:11 CET 2002 from akcf1.xtra.co.nz (203.96.111.202)

Rod

From what I've heard of the Danko / Manuel shows the problem seems to be that they kept with the same arrangements they would use with The (full) Band. Richard seems to play a busier piano but you miss the extra instruments. That being said I did enjoy what I heard and I'd rather hear Rick playing bass than acoutic guitar. There may have been some more intellegent way of arranging the songs though. Not so enjoyable was the dodgey Rick Danko live CD. Songs such as Stage Fright and Chest Fever don't really work given the instruments and musicians present (maybe you had to be there). Though as The version if Blind Willie McTell demonstrates it's still possible to turn in a great performance using a bit of imagination.

Posted on Wed Jan 23 01:50:03 CET 2002 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (212.120.101.7)

Norbert

Hey lovely Brown Eyed girl, just smile ( they want the first to throw ;-)

Posted on Wed Jan 23 01:30:43 CET 2002 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (212.120.101.7)

Norbert {html} {scrolling=" yes"} {/html}

Ragtime, dear officer, thanx, thanx ...... hey! I'm sure, the band loved your vlaai also ......

See Brown Eyed Girl, I've got a saint too ...... ;-)

Posted on Wed Jan 23 01:21:49 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp71827.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.198.144)

brown eyed girl

For those of you who didn't know......Apparently the opening ceremony, scheduled for February 8 at Rice-Eccles Stadium for the 2002 Winter Olympics will feature Sting....and joining him on stage will be Robbie Robertson, Rita Coolidge, the Dixie Chicks, LeAnn Rimes and the Bunkhouse Orchestra....The Mormon Tabernacle Choir, classical cellist Yo-Yo Ma and the Utah Symphony will also be performing.....'N Sync will close the ceremonies......so there ya go.....something for everybody......

Norbert: I made a mistake......klootzak doesn't apply to all of them.....but two out of three ain't bad at all.....I know, I know......sounds like Meatloaf....... ;-D

Posted on Tue Jan 22 23:44:13 CET 2002 from du-tele3-004.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.4)

Peter Viney

Afterthought: Hammond bass pedals - does anyone really like the sound? I find them too blurred and rounded for my taste. BUT note the version of Small Town Talk with Dr John playing bass pedals. That one's OK!

Posted on Tue Jan 22 23:38:53 CET 2002 from du-tele3-004.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.4)

Peter Viney

We've somehow worked ourselves into the era of my youth. Going back to those days, Fleetwood Mac were better than Savoy Brown and Chicken Shack, but the latter were competent but both tedious in the extreme. Early Mac's secret weapon was Peter Green, but compare the bass playing on Big pink, Pet Sounds or any Motown or Atlantic song. Early McVie and Fleetwood weren't inept, but they were extremely boring and predictable. They did get very good indeed when Christine Perfect / McVie and Buckingham / Nicks joined. People aren't static - I said The Doors were inept when they were making hit records, not that the three musicians aren't good now - I believe I'm quoting the players themselves here!

In fact, I don't have much patience with later blues boom British groups - I saw far, far too much of them at the time. The best of the bunch for me were Spooky Tooth (with Gary Wright, and they covered The Weight). Blodwyn Pig at least had a sax player to make a change.

Posted on Tue Jan 22 22:35:08 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

The discussion about the importance of bassists got me to thinking...In the traditional context, the rhythm section usually consists of drums, bass & piano. One of the things that made The Band unique was that each member of its rhythm section was not only a great instrumentalist, but fine singers as well. What other group can you think of, in any genre, that can boast of having three great vocalists that also comprised the rhythm section? And if that wasn't enough, Richard, Rick & Levon also doubled on other intruments as well!

Posted on Tue Jan 22 22:10:30 CET 2002 from (66.43.82.136)

Charlie Young

RIP bluesman John Jackson. Click the link above for a fine tribute to him in today's WASHINGTON POST (or just go to their site and click on the title under the "Style" section).

Posted on Tue Jan 22 20:28:37 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Some interesting threads in the last few days. What do Steve Winwood & Traffic, Warren Haynes & Gov't Mule and Levon Helm all have in common? They've all played with talented multi-instrumentalist, singer/songwriter Randall Bramblett from Georgia.

One noted example of this Georgia connection is Gov't Mule's 1998 album, "Live...With a Little Help From Our Friends". Randall can be heard playing some fine tenor sax on the Mule's version of "Afro-Blue", a Mongo Santamaria song made famous by John Coltrane.

Posted on Tue Jan 22 20:22:09 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-192.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.192)

MattK

Genesis did a pretty good job without a bass player. But that's one of the few examples I can think of.

Along Pat Brennan's point, jazz organist Jimmy Smith usually recorded his quartets sans bass, relying on Smiths footwork for the bass lines (check out the LP "Prayer Meeting" for some terrific examples and a magnificent, youthful Stanley Turrentine).

Personally, I hate playing without someone playing a bass part. Likewise, as a listener, I find it the groove rather brittle when the bass is either non-existant or overwhelmed by (usually) a guitarist.

The argument I've always made is that the bass player is really responsible for time and the drummer is really responsible for phrasing. Most drummers get mad when I say that, but honestly, the better drummers I've worked with tend to agree. I don't know if he'd agree, but Levon's phrasing is the thing I've always enjoyed most about his playing - I think he's a master at it.

Bass players tend to agree completely since they spend most of the gig fighting with the drummer to avoid rushing things.

Posted on Tue Jan 22 20:03:14 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-192.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.192)

MattK

RIP, Peggy Lee.

You gave me fever...

Posted on Tue Jan 22 19:25:25 CET 2002 from spider-wg064.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.49)

Charlie Yong

The Monkees did fine without a bass player. Oh, wait a minute...

Seriously, I must respectfully disagree with Mr. Viney about Ray Manzarek, John Densmore and Robby Krieger, who were (and are) fine jazz-influenced instrumentalists. Krieger, particularly, has honed his skills over the years and kept his inventive guitar displays on the road, unlike another guitar player with a similar first name who shall remain nameless.

Speaking of great instrumentalists: I unexpectedly wound up with a fifth row seat for the third and final Washington, DC appearance on the current Billy Joel-Elton John "Face to Face" tour and was genuinely impressed by the two headiners but blown away by their veteran band. The two drummers particluarly earned my appreciation for their role in their employers' places in the Rock'n'Roll Hall of fame. Joel's long-time drummer, Liberty Devito put on an amazingly energetic show, and original Elton John band drummer, Nigel Olssen was rock solid behind his set. When the two combined forces for the final set and several encores, their combined power and drive threatened to steal the show from the pair of pianos pumping out the hits from the front of the stage.

Posted on Tue Jan 22 18:01:12 CET 2002 from (66.152.204.145)

Bob R

Hello fellow GB'rs...Please allow me a little bit of self-promotion for a second-- I host a late night radio show here on Cape Cod (late,late night) and our small station has just started broadcasting world-wide on the web--so if any of you have nothing to do (like sleep) this coming Saturday night from 1:00am-4:00am eastern standard time (actually early Sunday morning) please tune my show in-- we can be accessed anywhere in the world by dialing www.womr.org --WOMR 92.1 FM Provincetown,Mass--- my show is called "Nighthawks" and there is always plenty of Band, solo Levon, Rick and Robbie being played. Also Dylan, Beatles, Stones, down & dirty 50's R&B, Van Morrison, Emmylou, and tons more--plenty of obscure and unreleased stuff too-- this week the featured "Buried Treasure" disc will be " Danko, Anderson & Fjeld "...So, insomniacs and die-hard partyers around the world, give us a listen ! Thanks

Posted on Tue Jan 22 16:30:08 CET 2002 from dialup-166.90.86.230.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (166.90.86.230)

Pat Brennan

Greg Lake played bass with ELP. Traffic as a three piece relied on Winwood's left hand'left foot for bass--witness side two of their third album. However, the pathfinder for the no-bass rock group would be Felix Cavaliere and the Rascals, although they did employ the bass guitar in the studio--at first Gene cornish, then a litany of NY's finest bassists, acoustic and electric.

Posted on Tue Jan 22 15:55:41 CET 2002 from spider-tf061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.201)

bob wigo

Thanks for the emails concerning my whereabouts of late. A job change has taken me out of my daily routine, not necessarily a bad thing, and away from regular Internet access. I have been checking in often and trying to stay current but have had little time to post.

It is at times like these that I wish I had been blessed with great wealth and able to help a friend in need. I don't care about the circumstances and will not stand in judgement. I just wish there was someting I could do.

Levon Helm inspired me and then encouraged me to pursue my dream of playing the drums. I have derived tremendous pleasure from his music and now,slowly but surely, I am realizing my dream and taking great pleasure from my own music. It pains me to know that Levon is experiencing these difficulties at this time in his life just as it pains me to hear of Garth's troubles.

I pray that there is some resolution to these problems and that health and happiness will steer the ship for both of these fine gentlemen. I am forever indebted to both for the gifts they have bestowed upon me.

Levon, Butch and the whole crew -- I hope to see you all in Trenton,N.J. in February. Keep the faith and the music alive.

Posted on Tue Jan 22 15:27:09 CET 2002 from sid12.revealed.net (208.23.178.155)

Mike

That's true JTull. But they used either organ pedals and/or taurus bass pedals (manufactured by Moog) to obtain a bottom end in the sound. As for The Doors, Ray Manzarek used a Fender Rhodes Keyboard Bass. On their live material, it sounds close enough to a bass for me. I'm not as picky as Peter is. Again, tastes. I'm the opposite. I don't care for Jefferson Airplane, Starship or Hot Tuna. They just never impressed me I guess. I didn't think they had a lot of "color" in their music. Bottom line: I don't think a group NEEDS a bass player per se. Organ pedals or bass pedals do the trick. I also must disagree about Fleetwood Mac. They always had a good rhythm section. Yes, they did grow as players. However they had good songwriters before Buckingham and Nicks joined. Maybe not just as prolific or world class. You mentioned 3 writers Peter? Are you thinking of Christine McVie? Christine joined in August 1970, shortly after the release of Kiln House. I still prefer the Peter Green era best. Thank goodness Peter had the sense to take Mac beyond the blues scene that was happening with bands like Savoy Brown and Chicken Shack. I'll take "Then Play On" over "Rumours" anyday. Don't get me wrong Peter, I think Fleetwood Mac were great (up until Lindsey left) but I always go to the OLD Mac. Again, musical tastes. I'll take the Danko/Manuel solo stuff over the others. With them you get bass/guitar and piano. I don't really need drums and a lead guitar. But when it's 2 members of The Band (and two of their singers), some might expect another element (or 3!) from The Band to be present. I still enjoy it. Ok, so I don't NEED a bass guitar. They are nice when you have a good player but not always essential. Peace.

Mike

Posted on Tue Jan 22 14:49:22 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

JTull Fan

I don't believe Emerson, Lake, and Palmer used a bassist either.

Posted on Tue Jan 22 11:48:53 CET 2002 from i030-003.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.30.3)

Nancy

Loved reading your post Brown Eyed Girl

Joe, you're gonna have to do that correction yourself....."no way" am I going to correct her twice in one week!!!!!!

Posted on Tue Jan 22 11:33:30 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

Yes..Robbie ran away from his roots to hide...and ran back into them to hide.

Posted on Tue Jan 22 10:42:55 CET 2002 from du-tele3-035.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.35)

Peter Viney

Bass players: when you’ve got Steve Winwood on keyboards / guitar you can easily get away without a bass player for a few numbers. Notice that they employed one pretty quick for tours. But the Doors didn’t have Steve Winwood on keyboards … or any one remotely of that calibre on any instrument. That’s not to say the survivors are crap now, because musicians develop. This will offend some, but I think early Fleetwood Mac records define “terminally boring bass player and drummer” but then by the mid-70s they’d become one of the best rhythm sections on the planet (and had had the luck to pick up three talented songwriters along the way). Even more remarkable is that Van’s ‘Red Hot Pokers’ inherited from the Linda Gail Lewis shows were clearly an extremely inexpensive semi-pro pub band who were near inept two years ago. After two years with Van they haven’t become natural talents, but he has educated them to the point where they can definitely do a decent show (with the addition of three excellent horn players and an organist). He no longer has to beat out the time or demonstrate the “knock, knock, knock” to the drummer in Gloria. What I saw in Poole two years ago was his first live gig with them and he stopped to explain that.

On “odd” line-ups, it was notable how often Band members would play in various lopsided line-ups. You know, on 80s / 90s solo gigs they’d go out without drums, or without bass or whatever, or just not play bass in Rick’s case. A lot of tapes have the shine taken off them because there’s often a missing element. This may be heretical. I’m thinking of the Danko / Manuel shows and Danko solo shows. I guess it was economics. The Danko / Helm shows worked because two stringed instruments work. But bass and piano without drums or guitar is always a bit unsettling, as is guitar, keyboards and drums without bass. It’s probably what we’re used to. Some of the Van shows in the 90s with no guitar player sound as if there’s a gap on several songs. Early Hot Tuna with just bass and guitar worked, but they soon added to the formula.

Posted on Tue Jan 22 10:01:29 CET 2002 from spider-tm061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.71)

Joe

Uuuuhhh....Nanc.....Do you want to make the correction,,,or shall I ???

Posted on Tue Jan 22 07:33:06 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp71244.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.196.69)

brown eyed girl

NANCY: Yes I'm very committed to social issues....especially issues of class and gender.....I spent Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Day today in Toronto at an equity workshop all day because I'm the rep at my school.....And yes I am aware of the Aussie group BURNING OIL....I first became aware of them when the powerful and passionate song about minority races in Australia came out in 1987.....BEDS ARE BURNING....The lead singer Peter Garrett I believe also is the President of the Australian Conservation Foundation....

.....

The time has come
To say fair's fair
To pay the rent
To pay our share

The time has come
A fact's a fact
It belongs to them
Let's give it back

How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning

.....

I just received the ABORIGINAL VOICES magazine featuring ROBBIE ROBERTSON....

First of all there's a photo of Levon and The Hawks from 1963....Who is Jerry Field?

It is important to reflect that Robbie struggled with his cultural identity for a long time and perhaps it was only when he left The Band was able to come to terms with his identity and musical roots.

He always goes back to his mother....When they were going to school and being brought up they were taught that to get ahead in this world, they had to be non-Indian, Robbie remembers. My mother told me that they weren't allowed to learn any languages, any of the customs, all of that was to be erased......Robbie was brought up in the hangover of that reality and though less burdened he was scarred nonetheless.

His rock 'n' roll dream was also about getting away from the confusion......I ran away from it. I ran into the world and tried to find a place to hide. And I got to hide in music.....I was looking to melt in and that was a way of me hiding the hurt. I was able to think, I'm just like anybody else, I fit in and I'm OK......

I think it took courage for Robbie to move on to other personal and musical explorations....I know that some of you only like Robbie's solo work if it is Band like.....I'm fortunate that I can see the beauty and vision of all the work that he is associated with.....He's just that brilliant....:-D

Posted on Tue Jan 22 06:46:56 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-012neomahp1993.dialsprint.net (63.189.55.215)

Dave Z

Cool John D!!! Thanks for sharing... Your post got me so excited I went and found and put on my green canoe fedora... anyway, I'd actually like to hear some more of the poets somewhere too... although I wouldn't want it to take away from the music... if time is a issue... I hope they do something obnoxious like a 6-8 CD box set... I'm a sucker... but a happy one... especially if... pretty pleeease... they put Don't Do It on the CD... and maybe like ROA there's extra Dylan stuff... Right now, I'm caught in a Dylan musical vortex... remembering why I like his stuff all over again... and comparing old to old...

And, Lil' I'm trying to catch up here... but is there a connection between a longer name i.e. "Diamond Lil' Queen of the Catskills"... and TSax18's arm problems?... Did you win the race down a ski hill or something?... Just being nosey and hopefully not out of bounds... hope all is well... I'm pretty risk adverse myself, and don't push the ole' physical limits much further than trying not to spill my wine while listening to Saga in front of a roaring fire...

Posted on Tue Jan 22 04:38:39 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

ROD

I tried to e-mail you; but it bounced back at me.

Posted on Tue Jan 22 03:06:04 CET 2002 from spider-tp071.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.206)

JTull Fan

I saw Jefferson Starship several times in the 90's with Paul Kantner, Marty Balin, Jack Cassidy and Craig Chaquico. Interesting lineup as Jeff Starship had a reputation as all slick pop (pardon the pun),and Hot Tuna as very purist and dry. So the lineup in the 90's was exactly one half the original Airplane, 1/2 Hot Tuna, and two-thirds Jeff Starship. Watching Cassidy on bass was as interesting as watching Danko. One show featured Papa John Creach a year or two prior to his death. At the end of the show he shook hands with all in the front row, which for a change included me.

Posted on Tue Jan 22 01:18:03 CET 2002 from spider-wa011.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.21)

Calvin

Need a bass player Peter? What about Traffic, easily one of my favorite groups, they recorded quite a few songs without a traditional Bass Player.

Posted on Tue Jan 22 01:04:32 CET 2002 from 210-55-236-20.static-dialup.xtra.co.nz (210.55.236.20)

Rod

John D,your comments on TLW 4 CD release sound intriguing. I'm fascinated by your comment "the week leading up to it" - I hope I'm not reading too much into that (eg is there ore than just the actual concert).

Posted on Tue Jan 22 00:19:34 CET 2002 from 1cust142.tnt1.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.107.142)

Hi

Peter I meant dylan's minstrel boy that Jake and the family jewels covered...forgot about the olde one...

Posted on Tue Jan 22 00:13:57 CET 2002 from (195.82.121.100)

Peter Viney

PS: unrepentant about The Doors, and you definitely do need a bass player for me. Spent today driving for 4 hours with a December 1995 Van Dublin boot with Alex Dankworth on double bass - which proved my point. Wonderful. Dankoesque, even! (another word for the Band GB Vocabulary list). Back to the Airplane, Jack Casady is just one of the best bass players I've heard. I think that was the Airplane's secret. Two first rate musicians + a lot of creative people who actually weren't great musicians, but the blend did something. You need both. The Band had 5 x both.

Posted on Tue Jan 22 00:08:07 CET 2002 from (195.82.121.100)

Peter Viney

Hi: Which "Minstrel Boy"- the IOW one or "The Minstrel Boy to the war has gone, in the ranks of death you will find him …" Both excellent songs, though the Irish one is even better than the Dylan one.

Posted on Mon Jan 21 22:10:27 CET 2002 from alb-24-58-162-244.nycap.rr.com (24.58.162.244)

rich

I was pretty deprerssed to read in the local paper yesterday of Levon's recent bankruptcy filing in federal court in albany.

Posted on Mon Jan 21 22:01:41 CET 2002 from spider-wg074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.196.54)

Mark

Hi-Just curious if anyone noticed that when they were doing"I shall Be Released" and Hawkins was lurking behind Dylan he (Dylan) stepped back and said something to him like"BACK OFF" cuz right after that Hawkins went over to the drummerhj

Posted on Mon Jan 21 21:53:17 CET 2002 from 1cust84.tnt2.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.108.84)

Hi

The mention of Rob Stoner made me want to get out my pre RTR Jake and the Family Jewels LP "The Big Moose Calls His Baby Sweet Lorraine" with Rob playing bass as Rob Rothstein but I couldn't find it.It's a great record worth checking out. They covered "The Minstrel Boy" on it..It must be in the attic...anyway I found my "Whose Muddy Shoes" record (Chess LP 1537) by Elmore James and John Brim which would have been in my top 10.

Posted on Mon Jan 21 17:31:10 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

First, the URL for the the John Einarson book I mentioned on Friday: http://desperados0.tripod.com/

Second, There must be some Airplane / Band link through Skip Spence. As for the Doors, their producer, Paul Rothchild, also produced two groups that were heavily laden with guys from the Toronto R&B scene that the Hawks left behind - Rhinoceros and Luke and the Apostles.

Third, as for Elton, when he formed Rocket Records in the '70s, among his first signings were a clump of Canadians (David Foster, Donny Gerrard, Brian Russell, Brenda Russell), the first two of whom appeared with Richard Manuel on "Tears Are Not Enough".

Posted on Mon Jan 21 17:10:31 CET 2002 from coretel-185-103.charm.net (162.33.185.103)

Tiny Montgomery

sorry, that was meant to say "the Fall '99 Dylan/Lesh tour."

By the way, Rob Stoner has to be one of the all-time great names for a rock musician!

Posted on Mon Jan 21 17:05:23 CET 2002 from coretel-185-103.charm.net (162.33.185.103)

Tiny Montgomery

BEGirl, thanks for the Sid & Bob story - too funny! I only wish that moment had been captured on film!

Warren Haynes has also played in various incarnations Phil Lesh & Friends, including the current "PLQ" and the Fall '99 Dylan/Lesh. While I do like Govt Mule, I vastly preferred the summer 2000 "Phil & Feat" line-up with Robben Ford. If you haven't heard Ford, I recommend checking him out - he has a unique and very smooth blues guitar style. Handfull of Blues (1995) is a nice album to start with.

Posted on Mon Jan 21 16:20:35 CET 2002 from (64.80.3.234)

Walt

no comment...just a "Hi!"

Posted on Mon Jan 21 12:48:44 CET 2002 from i153-231.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.153.231)

Nancy

Brown Eyed Girl: I have heard Redgum a few times but never bought anything they've put out, but I should mend my ways and check them out more closely.

Do you have anything by Midnight Oil? I noticed that the band made it on to several "best 10" lists, which is pleasing since they are a band of integrity with a solid leaning towards social and environmental issues. Something tells me this stance may appeal to Brown Eyed Girl!!

A short while ago I saw a documentary about a Midnight Oil outback tour - and by outback I mean really isolated parts of central and northern Australia, not pseudo outback within a small plane flight of central Sydney!

From the TV show I gathered that the band did the tour in order to take their music to remote (mostly aboriginal) communities. While these communities have their own musicians, they rarely, if ever, have a chance to hear live music from outside sources, and certainly not music by bands of Midnight Oil's status.

During the outback concerts, local musicians also performed, becoming part of a collaborative show that was well appreciated by audiences wherever the band went. Clearly this wasn't a commercial venture for Midnight Oil, as the small crowds would have numbered probably up to a hundred or so people, and my guess is that there would have only been a small entry charge if any at all.

Awesome Australian aboriginal band to check out Brown Eyed Girl - YOTHU YINDI - you said you liked diversity!!

Posted on Mon Jan 21 12:45:46 CET 2002 from zorg26.revealed.net (208.243.237.26)

Mike

JTull, nice review of the concert. I didn't know (from your previous posts) that you were a Joel fan. I can't imagine him NOT playing material from "The Stranger", except for "Just The Way You Are". From what I've read he's not played that song in years! Nice to read about a duo performance of "Here Comes The Sun". It makes me wish I had been there. Sounds like it was a great show and worth every penny.

John D. It'd be nice to see that list BUT I'd rather wait! If it's as exciting as you're hinting at, then it'll be worth the wait. Definitely something to sink our teeth into. I think we all need that here. 4 cd's? That could be the entire concert or the majority of it! Here's to hoping...I'm awaiting the dvd of the movie as well. Mike

Posted on Mon Jan 21 01:07:26 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tb052.proxy.aol.com (64.12.104.42)

JTull fan

Well, we got back from the DC Billy Joel/Elton John concert yesterday morning, and just in time as the snow was just starting to come in hard. Just rain in Richmond for the most part. After checking into the Crowne Plaza and reluctantly surrendering my car to the valet we found an amazing indian restuarant near the MCI Center. I think its' name was Zegat or similar. The Murg Masala was just amazing, expecially after washing it down with some Kingfisher beer. (Indian beers always seem to be stale in my opinion, which is why I avoid them) I was quite impressed with both performers. 3 hours and 40 minutes total. I was expecting two 45 minute sets and maybe 30 minutes together, and I was pleasantly surprised. Things started with 4 slow numbers with the two of them together, then Elton John did a full version of Funeral For A Friend/Love Lies Bleeding. His set also included Levon, Honky Cat. Rocket Man, Bennie and the Jets, Someone Saved My Life Tonight, I Guess why they call it the Blues, and mostly stuff from his good 70's period. We only had to suffer through one new song I cannot recall and I'm Still Standing. Davey Johnston was still in his band on guiter with Nigel Olson still on drums. I was surprised to see them. Billy Joel's set included the usual items from the Stranger (which pleased me) Allentown, We didn't Start the Fire, and mostly, as with Elton John, most of his 70's stuff and No Uptown Girl to suffer through. They then closed together and did ywo encores, ending with a duo on piano man and a tribute (announced by Elton) to George Harrison by a performance of Here Comes the Sun(which far exceeded the painful version Lindsey Buckingham did on ABC's New Years Eve special. Again, each performer was on stage individually for a full concert set plus the combined sets, which really impressed me. True, neither has put together an albums worth of worthy material in the last decade combined (Billy Joel, in his case just not making an album period not counting the classical stuff, but they more than reclaimed their reputations as important artisits Friday night by putting on a great show and putting their hearts into it. It was enough for me to reassess their back catalogs.

Posted on Mon Jan 21 00:06:43 CET 2002 from zorg39.revealed.net (208.243.237.39)

Mike

Peter V: I readily disagree about The Airplane being better than The Doors. You don't need to have a bass player in a band do you?! They did use a bass except for the first album. I think that The Airplane sounds quite "dated" nowadays. "Volunteers" is the first song to come to mind. But I guess it's just a matter of opinion as to what one likes, dislikes, etc...After all, I don't want to sound like Mr. Pike do I :O

I buckled down and actually bought Mr. Joel's "The Bridge", "Kohept" (spelling?), "Storm Front", "River Of Dreams" and "Hits Volume 3". I am most impressed with "The Bridge". It's kind of a "dark" album. I enjoy the dark side of an artist from time to time. And "To Make You Feel My Love" from "Hits 3" is rather exceptional. I'm waiting for the 1982 "Live In Long Island" to be released on DVD...Here's to hoping.

Mike

Posted on Sun Jan 20 23:56:03 CET 2002 from 64-80-55-61-access.surferz.net (64.80.55.61)

TSaxMan18 (Well not for at least a few months) :-)

To All My Mom's Friends Who Were Nice Enough To Send Their Good Wishes After My Recent Injury:

Thanks for all your kind words and thoughts and prayers in light of my recent accident. It's a very tramatic experience that was bad enough, but could have been much worse, and I'm thankful I'm still around. Thanks for all your wishes, and don't worry; I'll be back on the sax honking and blowing in no time :).

TSM18 Aka Shaunie B.

To Mom and the rest of my family - I love you guys. Thanks for all your help and I love you with all my heart.

Posted on Sun Jan 20 22:45:32 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

I hesitated on posting this; because it sounds like the old line from when I was a kid, "I know something you don't know"; but after saying that.......

I had the Privilege of seeing the track listing for the April release of the 4 CD set of The Last Waltz. Can't go into ANY detail for two reasons. One. It is still confidential. Two. The track list could change 100 times before April 16. Let me tell you this. For anyone who was at the Last Waltz for the week leading up to it, including the big night and for those who were not....... I AM BLOWN AWAY. This will be a must buy for all of us. Finally.........something to sink our teeth into. Hope they don't change a thing!

Posted on Sun Jan 20 22:34:30 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

Jessica........I hear your sleep-over went well. Sorry I couldn't make it. Ha ha. Glad your brother's OK & feeling better and mom is still Queen of The Catskills.

Posted on Sun Jan 20 18:16:59 CET 2002 from 1cust222.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.222)

rollie

Hey Sammy- Warren Haynes from Govt Mule has been the guitar player on and off for the Allman Brothers for many years. Along with the late Allen Woody on bass, the Allman Brothers had one of their strongest formations to date, with the addition of Marc Quinones on percussion. Haynes vocals, I feel,pushed the Bros performances up a notch.Haynes has several recordings out, solo, and with Govt.Mule. "Mule" appeared at last years Telluride Blues Fest with Chuck Leavell(former Sea level and Allman Bros keyboard player)and would have blown the lid off the joint had the venue been inside! Now, I could trade you a video I have of "Mule", The original Allmans at Fillmore East, and Freddie King, if you'd send me that info again on the CLW!:)

Posted on Sun Jan 20 18:10:52 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp68167.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.184.40)

brown eyed girl

AMANDA....Norbert sent the books to me already....He never charges me anything....;-D

NORBERT: Um....actually my homemade soup has to have a lot of garlic and crushed chili flakes....ya know how I like spice in my life.....If you can find any yummy East Indian or West Indian recipes....send them to me....:-D

Hank: Rob Stoner on Sid Vicious: Sid Vicious was the only person I ever saw threaten Dylan. They both were at a London gig I played with Robert Gordon in 1979, and Sid came backstage after our first set and started waving a knife around the room and hassling Bob, just being a drunken asshole. He was saying, "Hey, you're Bob Dildo then, aren't you? Eh! Fuck you, Bob Dildo." Bob asked me, Rob who IS this guy?" He wasn't freaked or anything, Bob boxes; he's a tough little guy and can take care of himself. We just grabbed Sid and hustled him out of the room....

NANCY: Please continue to correct my spelling mistakes....I absolutely cringe when I spot them too late.....I have to start laying off those power shakes....too much energy and typing too fast....It's back to herbal tea for me now.....Although HUTCHENCE had a great rock and roll voice and had it all goin' on with his copy cat Mick Jagger moves and Mick copied..........I only really liked by INXS....BEAUTIFUL GIRL......The first person I "met" on this site is a musician from Melbourne and he sent me music by REDGUM, a mixed Aussie band tape (problem....he forgot to write the names of the bands and doesn't know who he sent...lol)...and.....Bob Dylan live in Sydney 1966 and....Dylan interactive CD....One of the best things about this site is the sharing of music....I'm a musical sponge....I want to be exposed to everything and anything because ya just never know....

Posted on Sun Jan 20 17:05:59 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

Erin: I am planning on going to the show in Arkansas. I have been unable to find anymore information other than what is on this site. I am sure Jan will fill us in at a later date. Batesville is very easy to get to...you will really enjoy the scenery. I'll email you privately with some info about the area.

Norbert...I''l take a copy of each volume...with Band member's autographs...please. Is postage free also??? ;o)

Posted on Sun Jan 20 11:29:32 CET 2002 from 212.a.009.mel.iprimus.net.au (210.50.112.212)

Erin

I'm hoping to get to see Levon Helm at the Ozark Filmfest in April; can anyone email me anything about the event? Is it outdoor? Is it a daytime or nighttime thing? Is is hard to get to? Just about anything at all would be good; all I know is what I just read on the 'What's New Page.' Thanks.

Posted on Sun Jan 20 11:12:16 CET 2002 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Norbert, I was desperately looking for Band connections, and finally I found them. In ~Day of Reckoning (Burning for you)~ Robbie Robertson refers to the bible belt, and in ~Acadian Driftwood~ there is "winter in my blood". You like cryptograms, don't you? Well, I had time to kill (what a thrill), but please please, don't do it... ;-)

Posted on Sun Jan 20 08:58:18 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

A great song about the music business "Sabu Visits The Twin Cities Alone" "Hey look ma here comes the elephant boy..all dolled up in his corduroy..headed down south toward Illinois...from the jungles of East St. Paul."

Posted on Sun Jan 20 04:23:31 CET 2002 from spider-wk021.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.156)

Bayou Sam

Charlie Young = I had no idea that Sebastain was the harmonica player on Roadhouse Blues. That's a cool piece of trivia. Also, the Chuck Berry news is very exciting. For me, with all due respect to Elvis, Chuck Berry is the King of Rock and Roll.

Funny thing - right after my post last night regarding Elton and Billy - I was channel surfing and I stumbled upon a new video from Elton's new CD. It's a nice song called "That Train Don't Stop There Anymore". It's an autobiographical tune that seems to be about Elton being at a stage where he isn't into the perks and trappings of stardom like he used to be. The video is well done with a young guy made to look like Elton circa 1970's walking through some backstage somewhere - or really, walking through his life. Besides liking the song, I was blown away at the end when I found out it was Justin Timberlake from NSYNC playing EJ in the video. They said he studied videos to try and mimic EJ's mannerisms. The kid does a nice job, even though he slips a little on the lip-syncing - which somehow seems funny.

I forgot about Billy Joel's song "The Entertainer". What a great song about the world of music recording, and selling.

I saw The Band in 1994 and they were selling great t-shirts at the show. I bought a Jericho shirt that I just loved. Well, it's still around but has become just a shirt to sleep in at this point because it's all faded and worn. I wonder - do any of these exist out there somewhere? They also had a "Life is a Carnival" one that Rick wore when we saw them. I'd love to purchase a couple if there are still any around. Maybe Levon's got a couple of boxes of them in the attic or something. I figured I give it a shot and throw that out in here.

One more - I heard a tune on the radio the other day and I really liked it. It is called "Soulshine" by a band called G'ovt Mule. The reason I bring it up is that I thought someone in here mentioned this band at one time. They seem to be an offshoot of the Allmann Brothers. The music is very nice. The band is two guys - one on guitar (Warren Haynes), and one on drums. Their bassist passed away, so this CD features an impressive list of bass players on different tracks. Jack bruce, and John Entwistle to name two. I think I'm gonna pick up the CD. And by God, I'm gettin' the Elton one too.

Posted on Sun Jan 20 05:08:25 CET 2002 from i153-211.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.153.211)

Nancy

Brown Eyed Girl: Paula Yates' ex-squeeze was Michael Hutchence (not Hutchinson)........can't believe I'm correcting Brown Eyed Girl ;)

Michael was, of course, the charismatic lead singer of INXS. His last couple of years appeared to be marked by relationship issues, public gossip and then the questions that arose after his death. A sad story.

For anyone who doesn't know anything about INXS, they are an Aussie band that formed in Sydney in the late 70's, and went on to attain national and international success over the next 5 or so years. In 1984 or 1985, a friend of mine met Michael Hutchence at a hotel where the band and she and her family were staying.......she met him under coincidential circumstances and spent several hours with him. She remembers the meeting as friendly and humorous, and describes Michael then as a "sweet boy". If any INXS fans would like to hear why she says that then I'd be happy to tell you (probably doesn't belong here in the Band GB as there is NO connection I can think of!)

Posted on Sun Jan 20 02:23:50 CET 2002 from (66.43.82.136)

Charlie Young

Pat Brennan: I didn't find the piece with the slim connection between the Doors and The Band on the Rhino Records site. The only one I can think of offhand is John Sebastian, who played with all the members of The Band at onetime or another and added uncredited harmonica to the Doors' classic "Roadhouse Blues."

An artist with lots of connections to The Band, Chuck Berry, is apparently at work on his first studio effort in almost a quarter century. According to an article by historian Douglas Brinkley in the new issue of NEW YORKER, the new Berry recordings are aimed at release sometime later this year. I was a record reviewer back when his last studio album, "Rock It," was released in the late '70s and it was damn good but didn't sale, of course. The masses apparently wanted "My Dingaling Revisited."

Posted on Sat Jan 19 23:34:40 CET 2002 from 24-196-225-108.charter-georgia.com (24.196.225.108)

Don Pugatch

Amanda and Peter thanks for the info, Amanda, your email is not working, tried to thank you, but go a return error message.

Any John Hiatt fans out there, on his web page, they are closing out both short and long sleeve Tiki Bar Tour shirts and posters, such a deal!!!!!

Posted on Sat Jan 19 23:32:52 CET 2002 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (212.120.101.7)

Norbert again, sorry but it's important.

Brown Eyed Girl, chicken noodle soup;

3 quarts water 5 chicken bouillon cubes
1 cup thinly sliced carrot
1/2 cup chopped celery
1/2 cup finely chopped onion
1 bay leaf
1 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon ground black pepper
1/4 teaspoon poultry seasoning
3 cups chopped cooked chicken
3-3/4 cups (6 oz.) AMERICAN BEAUTY Medium Egg Noodles.

Harry de Winter hebbie nou nix beters as die Andries Knevel van de EO? (godsamme).

Posted on Sat Jan 19 22:11:56 CET 2002 from dialup-305.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.49)

Hank

I've been away....and I'm still running but for what it's worth, I heard Elton Johns new single the other day and he sang something about "like the gambler sez...read 'em and weep"....now I know he don't write them lyrics but I'm sure he knew who's being quoted......in fact i'd say that Elton woulda been quite welcome at TLW if he coulda made it or if they invited him........Sid Vicious threatened Bob Dylan?.....

Posted on Sat Jan 19 20:26:20 CET 2002 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (212.120.101.7)

Norbert

Amanda ...... hi, reading?
Brown Eyed Girl ...... ok cabbagetown it is ...... ;-)
Ilkka ...... you're right ...... (hey! a href for the alt-ref.b.)
Ragtime ...... nog wat op tv vanavond?

Posted on Sat Jan 19 18:02:54 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp68565.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.185.184)

brown eyed girl

DON: After I sent you the webbie for Jools Holland and Squeeze I forgot to mention that their music was played a lot during the "New Wave" invasion.....My faves at the time were....Pulling Mussels(From The Shell)....Another Nail In My Heart....and the humourous Cool For Cats...Also I remember seeing Paula Yates (former squeeze of Geldolf and Hutchinson) interview musicians on The Tube as well....

Ben Fong-Torres remembers in 1974 when the Band were returning to Inn On The Park in Toronto.....Robbie was smiling when they passed through Cabbagetown....Robbie: This is Cabbagetown....You know, on the cover of MOONDOG MATINEE? I described the feeling of the place to the artist, and he got it just perfect.....

BILL MUNSON....Why was Robbie telling everyone that he lived in Cabbagetown when the address is actually in Riverdale....a near by hood....besides the reason that it was considered a "tough" part of town?....Did The Hawks play at the Winchester or something? He obviously had fond memories of my hood in anycase....Thanks again....You were the only one who could actually tell me where Robbie's childhood address was located....This was the only question I asked anyone in here about Robbie.....because the street that is mentioned in Levon's book.....simply does not exist in Cabbagetown....Another poster does live in Riverdale but rarely posts anymore....

Posted on Sat Jan 19 17:28:35 CET 2002 from dialup-65.58.44.194.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.58.44.194)

Pat Brennan

Check out the Rhino site for a slim Doors-Band connection.

Posted on Sat Jan 19 17:12:59 CET 2002 from du-tele3-170.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.170)

Peter Viney

Jools Holland was the keyboard player in the British band Squeeze. He has his own weekly TV show where he has four or five bands on stages round the studio who play in turn, usually a couple of numbers each. Jools often accompanies them. He was also the interviewer in the Beatles Anthology series. He’s sort of half-presenter, half-musician! He tours the UK with his Rhythm & Blues Orchestra once a year, using guest vocalists in 1930s style. The new Jools Holland Rhythm & Blues Orchestra CD “Small World Big Band” (with George Harrison’s final recording) also includes ex-guests on his show such as Sting, Van, Steve Winwood, Eric Clapton, John Cale, Taj Mahal, Paul Weller, Dr John – all guesting on one song each.

My ‘shocked’ was tongue in cheek on JA. We used to sit round crosslegged on the floor (possibly at 25 or 6 to 4) listening to The Band (and Nashville Skyline, Sweetheart of the Rodeo) reading Robbie interviews in Rolling Stone about how they eschewed all that “jockstraps and feedback” and were the antithesis of the “West coast” sound. Then we’d put on Volunteers, Workingman’s Dead, Steve Miller, Mothers of Invention, then go back to the Band. Nothing wrong with it! We never listened to Hank Williams here at all (at least I never met anyone who did). Spike Jones was quite popular late night listening among the Zappa-esque set though! But personally I think that crowd might have been on something or other.

Posted on Sat Jan 19 16:12:11 CET 2002 from 24-196-225-108.charter-georgia.com (24.196.225.108)

Don Pugatch

Another question for the group, Jools Holland, please fill me in? Thnks so much.

Peter, I am lucky, on 19 days for me to see Dylan, but hoping for Van.

Posted on Sat Jan 19 15:49:05 CET 2002 from sdn-ar-001ilurbap196.dialsprint.net (158.252.113.108)

Susan

Peter, why are you shocked that people were listening to Crown of Creation and Big Pink? It seems natural to me; 1968 was still in that all-too-brief period when people, at least the young and would-be hip, listened to a wider variety of music. Airplane and the Band were both well within must-listen parameters for this period. Now Airplane and Hank Williams might have been a bit of a stretch, at least around here, but the gap was more social and political than musical.

When we went out we expected to visit several music bars in the course of the evening. There were a lot of them, many more than now, and the cover was fifty cents. We could go from local groups doing Airplane covers to Motown covers to Hound Dog Taylor down from Chicago. Sometimes there would be a folky group or duo, usually at a place without liquor. If people were very brave they might go to the Rose Bowl, the local country bar, to hear the well-reputed guitar player who was in the house band. It was risky if any guy in the group had serious hair. Audiences were racially mixed, too, for all kinds of music.

Posted on Sat Jan 19 14:28:24 CET 2002 from 12-243-71-112.client.attbi.com (12.243.71.112)

Tracy

I've got to say that I'm a huge Billy Joel fan. I've seen six of his concerts within the past twelve years and one of his Q&A shows. To say he's any less than awesome wouldn't do. He truly is the "Entertainer" with his impersonations of fellow artists and joking with the crowd in between songs. One of my all time favorite albums of his has to be "The Nylon Curtain." His lyrics are more lived in and his pain from the divorce of his first wife helped. Instead of happy go-lucky jaunty tunes, he focuses on a broader landscape, handling songs like "Allentown" and "Goodnight Saigon" with tact. You can say he almost sounds Lennon-esque at times, but with his own style.

It's too bad Garth Brooks had to go and butcher both "Shameless" and "To Make You Feel My Love." Whether he's a fan of Billy's or not, those were not good versions. Billy's version of "To Make You Feel My Love" hits more close to how a Dylan song should be played. Anton Fig's cakewalk snare mixed with normal percussion and Billy's harp blowing provide that just right Dylan-esque sound.

Tracy

Posted on Sat Jan 19 13:43:10 CET 2002 from du-tele3-035.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.35)

Peter Viney

Dave – thanks. I already have my Dylan tickets for May 5th.

Glad to see that there are so many closet Airplane fans hiding here. Ben sums Wooden Ships up well ‘in a Crosby ya-gotta-love it way’. I prefer the Airplane version to the CSN. Grace Slick’s voice also adds a dimension to ‘Triad’ that the Byrds version doesn’t have and nor does the Crosby version from a boot. I’m shocked to see how many people were listening to ‘Crown of Creation’ at the same time as ‘Big Pink’ and ‘The Band’. I was myself. Seriously dangerous album! On whether Airplane holds up today, ‘Volunteers’ does rather better than ‘Crown of Creation’ but they’re still on the play list. Haven’t heard ‘Baxters’ or ‘Takes Off’ in years though. A recent review of remasters lamented the fact that Airplane are not currently held in the same esteem as The Doors, in spite of greatly superior musicianship – Jorma and Jack, of course instead of no bass player, better songwriters – Kantner, Slick and Balin. The reviewer said of The Doors, ‘keep the posters and bin the albums’. Good advice, but if I wanted a 60s icon on a poster (and I don’t) I’d prefer Grace to Jim anyday. The reviewer failed to note another Airplane advantage – Band connections via Jack and Jorma at Woodstock 94, plus those Rick Danko / Jorma Kaukonen gigs.

Very little holds up as well as the first two Band LPS – The Beatles of course, the run of great late 60s Stones (before they became a parody of themselves), Van Morrison, The Byrds. I’ve said before that I first met The Weight on a college “3 plays for a shilling” jukebox, and my morning habit was coffee, the papers and The Weight- White Rabbit- I Shall be Released – you had to put Airplane in the middle because the juke box screwed up if asked to play an A and B side back-to-back. I still enjoy the irony of driving around middle-aged and balding with ‘Up against The Wall …” blasting out of the speakers. My other self from 34 years ago would have been appalled.

On Van, he gave the best show I’ve seen in the last 5 or 6 shows last night. Same band with weak rhythm section as 6 months ago, but he’s been rehearsing and teaching them. The show seemed much more arranged and orchestrated than recently, and that was positive. His duets with Chris Farlowe were absolutely magnificent – Sometimes we Cry, It’s all Over Now Baby Blue (the best I’ve heard anyone do it ever), Gloria and a closing version of Stand By Me where Van was enjoying himself so much I half-expected him to go into his TLW routine! Farlowe did a great support opener too- with Handbags and Gladrags and Out of Time of course, but the highlight was the Small Faces’ All or Nothing. Van’s best point was ‘In the afternoon / Ancient Highway’ where he conjured up the mystic in the style of 20 years ago – sadly the only time he went for the full mystic, dropping to near silence act all evening. But he doesn’t often do that now at all. Other stand-out – an unexpected “Star of the County Down” with Van on acoustic and the guitarist switching to fiddle. It was (as before in Bournemouth) the opening gig of a small tour. I’d guess a US tour must be coming. You could tell that the show was more planned than usual, and I’m told that a back-to-back Brown Eyed Girl and Gloria is always a sign of imminent trans-Atlantic travel! It still perplexes me that he devotes so much time to covers like Ain’t that Loving You Baby and Help Me, but can’t find a place in the set for … well, any two from 30 of his own compositions that are vastly superior. The icing on the cake was that you got a free 2001 T-shirt with every purchase of a 2002 T-shirt. So, £12 for the two. My wife says, ‘but you never wear them …’ Downside was that by the time I got to the table they’d sold out of “Glory Bound” the new Chris Farlowe CD. I was left counting the days to Dylan. The only other big acts coming through here soon are The Moody Blues (saw them a year ago) and Gene Pitney. Ah, well.

Posted on Sat Jan 19 08:19:16 CET 2002 from spider-we073.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.53)

Bayou Sam

Mike = thanks

MattK = nice post on Billy J. and EJ

"Only The Good Die Young" is a great little rocker. Must everything be a deep meaning, politically charged, musically complex, dictionary tapped, epic saga, to be a good tune? The above mentioned tune is a racy, fun rocker that gets cranked up everytime I run into it on the radio. As far as musical talent - you can not-like some of Joel's songs, but if you don't think he can play piano, you're just mmmmmmmmmmm silly. Listen to "Root Beer Rag".....I also love, "Scene's from an Italian Restaurant". What a fun song.

Now - have any of you caught that new Elton tune I was carrying on about awhile back? It's called "The Wasteland" (or something close to that). I'm tellin' ya - it rocks. I think Elton has done alot of great music - and he was smart enough to hook back up with Bernie Taupin again. I love the song "Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me". I also think he may have done the best Lennon tribute song - "Empty Garden".

McCartney's playing the Super Bowl.

Band connection? - Elton did a song called "Levon" :-)

Posted on Sat Jan 19 06:44:12 CET 2002 from 209-239-195-99.oak.jps.net (209.239.195.99)

Phil

Julie and little John Tyler were siblings. They lived in the house next door. Together as brother and sister. There is no way you can compare this situation with Crosby's Triad.

Posted on Sat Jan 19 05:08:37 CET 2002 from parachute3-156-40-62-183.net.nih.gov (156.40.62.183)

Jonathan Katz

Bashful Bill - Dylan had a dead mike during that SNACK concert. The sound on the CD version is not terrible, but because of the dead mike Dylan cannot be heard. The Danko and Helm numbers are good, and in some versions it is marketed as a Neil Young boot.

Posted on Sat Jan 19 05:06:35 CET 2002 from pm456-24.dialip.mich.net (204.39.227.82)

twilight

"We Didn't Start The Fire" is very painful. However - "Captain Jack" does a great job of nailing the people who chose to drop out and then turned around and blamed it on drugs. Recently put together a collection of Crosby tunes - left "Triad" off because it's too - well - too Crosby. The man did some great stuff - be happy to burn a copy for anyone that is interested. Happy new year everyone. Best wishes to you and the twins Amanda.

Posted on Sat Jan 19 04:54:30 CET 2002 from (66.43.82.136)

Charlie Young

Speaking of "The Moon Struck One": has anyone heard the Gil Evans version? I keep looking for it in used CD stores but haven't tracked it down yet. Does anyone know if it's worth the effort?

Posted on Sat Jan 19 04:41:02 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tk073.proxy.aol.com (64.12.107.53)

Calvin

This may be a bit of tunnel vision on my part, but while Ive greatly enjoyed the country-rock sound-being a huge fan of Richie Furay, Poco, Gram Parsons, The Byrds CR period, and others Ive never really felt the Band was part of that sound. Perhaps they seemed laid back for their time, but their influences were much more varied, far too varied in fact to land them in the same Genre as Parsons, Poco and the like. Perhaps if RR had of played a Steel Guitar now and again Id feel different............

Posted on Sat Jan 19 04:36:21 CET 2002 from spider-wa083.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.58)

Ben Pike

You Billy Joel fans set up a staw man; I said nothing about Joel's ability to play the piano; nor am I interested in the subject. I am sure Mr. Mandilow aquits himself well on 88's as well. As no one challeged me on terrible Bill Joel songs that are really bad and that stink, I will offer some more: "Only The Good Die Young" "She's Only A Woman To Me" ( If Band members liked this song, no wonder they got in trouble with the ladies), "We Didn't Start The Fire(AAHHHHHH!!!!!!!") "Captain Jack" and "Goodnight Siagon". And I consider these the obvious choices. Then there are some others that are O.K. Yes PV, I do consider "Wooden Ships" to be non-profound, but spaced out it an David Crosby ya gotta love it kinda way. I basicly think the first CSN album holds up well because of the good songs and production they somehow seldom could get near again.

Posted on Sat Jan 19 02:53:12 CET 2002 from coretel-185-137.charm.net (162.33.185.137)

Tiny Montgomery

DP - that would be the dreaded Moon Struck One

Posted on Sat Jan 19 02:46:17 CET 2002 from syr-24-169-66-92.twcny.rr.com (24.169.66.92)

Bashful Bill

I have an old vinyl bootleg of Dylan and some of the boys playing at that SNACK concert. The sound is terrible. There must be good boots of it as I recall hearing the entire show, which was several hours, on the radio here in CNY a short time after it occurred. It was also simulc ast live in the Bay area, so it seems there must be some good sounding boots. On Heaven's Door, Dylan changed the lyrics to "Dragon's Door" for some reason. Rolling Stone gave the show a good writeup with a lot of pictures, as I recall.

Posted on Sat Jan 19 01:45:12 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp71366.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.196.191)

brown eyed girl

AMANDA: Thanks sooooo much for the Dylan link.......You are the best surfer around!.....Check out photo number 18......The Rolling Stone cover.......I still have that very same program! I was at that Rolling Thunder Revue show in Niagara Falls, New York and Torontoooooooo! One of my biggest regrets was not being in Toronto the year before to see The Band with Dylan. I dated someone who was at that show......and needless to say.......he would go on and on about that show just to make me feel good.........of course! I love your passion and eagerness to learn more about your faves Amanda.....you're like Dylan sings.....a gem in an age of fiberglass......:-D.....and I agree.....I like Bashfull Bill's line too......He was so right on......I'm still smiling........

Jefferson Airplane for me were always about sex, drugs and rock and roll to the max! Although I wasn't a teenager yet.....the Plane at least had a female rocker......I only had Grace Slick, Janis Joplin, Joan Baez and Joni Mitchell as possible role models.....Grace admits she doesn't have a lot of range in her voice......but......she sure could screammmmmmmm!......SOMEONE TO LOVE AND WHITE RABBIT were anthems at the time.......

For those who keep in touch......I still have the same three email accounts.....I am using a phony one in here.......too much porno was being sent my way............probably that poster from Idahoooooooo..;-D

Posted on Sat Jan 19 01:18:05 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

Thank the heavens for "Music From Big Pink " and "The Brown Album". If we had not had them..who knows what else would have come out of San Francisco. to quote Robbie Robertson "That stuff was too bad !"

Posted on Fri Jan 18 22:56:18 CET 2002 from 24-196-236-100.charter-georgia.com (24.196.236.100)

Don Pugatch

Just finished downloaded Dylan's Rolling Thunder Tour from Audio Galaxy, sounds like a rehersal session Boot, can anyone fill me in as to this gem?

On the musical front, February in Atlanta, Dylan, Victor Wooten and now John Hiatt, can't ask for too much more, eat your heart out Butch!!!!

Posted on Fri Jan 18 22:48:19 CET 2002 from stx32.library.uiuc.edu (130.126.32.133)

Susan

I think Jefferson Airplane was representative of the time. I certainly heard "Crown of Creation" much more than "Big Pink" in 1968. (I was under the Influence of Others.) I remember a party at a farmhouse in Southern Illinois, bonfire, moonlight, playing hide and seek in the corn, while Grace howled "You are the crown of creation, and you've got no place to gooooooo!" Somehow I don't think anything on Big Pink would have had the same effect.

On the other hand, I don't know anyone who listens to "Crown of Creation" now. The last time I heard "Volunteers" was when someone in an overlooking apartment put the title track on during a protest march on campus. The irony was that the protesters were foreign students. So the Band gets the last laugh; most of their work has not dated.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 22:10:10 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

As a follow-up to my previous post, a contradictory, tongue-in-cheek point can be made -- On "Crown of Creation", the Airplane included a version of a David Crosby song, "Triad", that the Byrds had previously refused to release. Three years later, The Band recorded a song that was rather uncharacteristically similiar in theme. I'm certain that Peter Viney knows the answer to this (:-)

Posted on Fri Jan 18 22:01:31 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

Brown Eyed Girl: A great picture for you. See the link above...go to Bob in the 70s, picture #7. Bob playing piano live at the S.N.A.C.K. concert.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 20:50:56 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

I've always enjoyed listening to Jefferson Airplane's earlier recordings, a guilty pleasure perhaps. My attaction to the music of The Band, however, has always been greater than to that to any other band. That said, I feel that, not only was The Band's music almost polar opposite to that of the Airplane's, it was perhaps, in some way, a reaction to the excess represented by the Airplane and their left-coast comtemporaries.

To put things in historical perspective, compare the Airplane's albums, "Crown of Creation" (1968) and "Volunteers" (1969), with The Band's first two albums to see what I mean.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 20:39:58 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-46.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.46)

MattK

Charley or Charlie. Forgive the misspelling. Feel free to call me MahttKay

Posted on Fri Jan 18 20:27:31 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp70059.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.191.154)

brown eyed girl

AMANDA: THE BAND WITH DYLAN IN 1974....Dylan had just finished his sixth number and it was....BALLAD OF A THIN MAN....Can you imagine Dylan playing this one live Amanda? I haven't seen him play piano live......but I have seen Neil Young play piano........does that count? LOL......(Anyway, he was to perform a total of thirteen tunes backed by THE BAND)........and then RICK DANKO apparently marched up to the mike, past the booming guitar intro of STAGE FRIGHT.....(The Band were to perform a total of ten tunes of their own)......

ROBBIE ON STAGE FRIGHT THAT NIGHT: The key that STAGE FRIGHT is in, coming after the song before it (BALLAD OF A THIN MAN)-It's a nice lift.........It's picked musically for its tempo. It's not necessarily picked because it's relevant to this or that.....STAGE FRIGHT is, in fact, "about ourselves".....We're those kind of people-not outgoing, basically shy. We play music, write songs and like to play them, but we have never and will never really have it in the palm of our hand. And we don't want to. We enjoy that rush of being scared. A lot of people I've gone to see, it just seems to roll off their tongue. They don't seem to sweat. You see no pain in them whatsoever. It's just a wonderful evening of entertainment. It's not for us. It's turmoil. It's pulled out like a tooth.......(Perhaps Robbie didn't realize nitrous oxide existed......stop laughing Norbert!)

Posted on Fri Jan 18 19:54:37 CET 2002 from 56k-la-01-11.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.74)

dave the Phone Guy

Oh yeah,,,,,Viney,,,,,check out BobDylan.com cuz there's a whole bunch of Dylan shows in May over your way.(England)

Posted on Fri Jan 18 19:51:23 CET 2002 from 56k-la-01-11.dial.qnet.com (209.221.212.74)

Dave the Phone Guy

Amanda,,,, I recall Dylan playin' the grand piano on the '74 tour. Can't recall which song(s). Help us out here. Who remembers the Before the Flood setlists.

Long Live The Band

Posted on Fri Jan 18 19:47:35 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-46.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.46)

MattK

Charley, I didn't read that as a comment charging "reverse racism." I saw it as an acknowledgement that black music forms the central core of rock and roll (not discounting the role of bluegrass and country music at all, here). Billy's influences (while they include classical music) reflects much of that tradition via his integration of blues, doo wop, r/b, (especially Ray Charles).

Rock is by definition a derivation of multiple forms. Looking out over the crowd of your average RRHOF induction crowd, the faces are overwhelmingly white (not to say other races are not represented), so to some extent, the majority of inductees are directly or indirectly taking something from older music that was written and performed by African Americans. One way or the other, every performer inductee traces some aspect of their playing to this tradition (including the Byrds, Beach Boys, etc).

There would be no Rock and Roll as we know it without Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Big Joe Turner, Amos Milburn, Wynonie Harris, Roy Brown, etc (and yes, there would be no rock-and-roll without Elvis, Les Paul, Hank Sr., etc). I didn't view the comment as discounting the role of white people in rock. It's simply an acknoweldgement that one way or the other, EVERYONE in the RRHOF got there because at one time or another they were turned on by some of the black musicians mentioned above, and therefore, everyone is derivative in one sense of another.

For me, it's a nice way of turning an insult into a compliment, I believe, out of the word "derivative."

Posted on Fri Jan 18 19:40:31 CET 2002 from du-tele3-171.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.171)

Peter Viney

Mike- I own "Volunteers", "Volunteers"remastered and "Volunteers" remastered with bonus tracks. While maybe poking a little fun at a bit of the lyric of Wooden Ships (I forgot "never got sick once" in the middle), I love the song (in every version, but Airplane beat Crosby solo).

Posted on Fri Jan 18 19:30:22 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

I see Jan's put up a link to Peter Doggett's book on country rock. The precis there gives a pretty good sense of how undeep the book is, in my opinion. (I admit I've just skimmed it while standing in bookstore aisles.) Not much at all on the Band, its importance or its influence. I'd say that a better bet is John Einarson's "Desperadoes: The Origins Of Country Rock", which was also published last year. It's not surprising that Doggett doesn't cite "Desperadoes" in his own book, as they were being written at the same time, but Doggett also overlooks Einarson's earlier books about Neil Young and about Buffalo Springfield. Einarson has a bit more about the Band too.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 19:17:06 CET 2002 from (66.43.82.136)

Charlie Young

Matt: I agree with your comments about Elton John and Billy Joel, but I think that Joel's reverse-racist comment about the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame--"there wouldn't be any white people in here if they didn't let us derivative people in"--is simply ridiculous. A quick scan of the list of members includes many whose work displays marginal influence from African music. I'd include the Everly Brothers, Ricky Nelson, the Beach Boys, the Byrds, Neil Young, CSN and Simon & Garfunkel (though not Paul Simon's solo work) in that category.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 19:14:29 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Another, more recent, pseudonym used by Bob Dylan is Jack Frost, which he's adopted for production credits on "Love And Theft" and "Time Out Of Mind." Of course, one Mr. Robert Zimmerman gained fame using another alias(:-)!

Posted on Fri Jan 18 18:18:15 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

Brown Eyed Girl: Thanks for all the great Dylan info. You never cease to amaze me with your diversity and vast knowledge. I enjoyed Bashful Bill's comment about "a typical day at Brown Eyed Girl's place." You KNOW I am counting the days(15) until Jacksonville...I hope he wears his white boots and his PINK suit! I was reading that Dylan has played piano on many recordings, such as...Dirge, Heart of Mine, Jokerman, Emotionally Yours, Ninety Miles an Hour Down a Dead End Street, Ring Them Bells, Disease of Conceit, 10,000 Men, To Make you Feel my Love...several more. I've seen pictures of him, in the early days, playing, but did you ever get to see a performance where he played the piano onstage? How accomplished is he at banging the ivories? BTW..got some Marley and the twins and I are having a reggae kind of morning...cool vibes for the day.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 17:17:55 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-46.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.46)

MattK

Elton John, circa 1971 was as good as anything ever was. By the late 70s his slide into schlock had a full head of steam, and sadly, he's something of a parody of himself, in my opinion. Still, the guy knows how to put on a good show.

Billy Joel, while never achieving the brilliance of an early Elton, has had a far more consistent career. He's also one of the least affected and regular guys out there. Years ago he came into a bar I was playing in as we closed the night. While he didn't play, he did hang out and talk to us for a bit. He came off as very down-to-earth.

One of my favorite R-n-R HOF moments came during Joel's induction speech a few years back. Responding to criticism of his induction that he was never groundbreaking, and that his music was "derivative," Joel said:

"I'm derivative as hell. There wouldn't be any white people in here if they didn't let us derivative people in."

A much better commentary than Sir Paul's drunken daughter sporting her "it's about f***ing time" t-shirt, I thought.

I'm not a huge Billy fan, and I don't own any of his records. However, I do think he's a pretty good songwriter when he's on. He understands his roots, knows his influences (which are surprisingly diverse), and he's one heck of a piano player. Maybe he's not Garth, but who the hell IS?

Yes he's very "pop," and yes a number of his songs are done to death. Anyone who's done the B/E circuit, or spent time in a wedding band HATES "Just the Way You Are" (but then again, if I don't have to hear Misty again anytime soon, I'll be happy). Still, it is a fine song in the tradition of the old jazz standards, and could have come right out of Tin Pan Alley. The original recording also features a stellar sax solo by Phil Woods.

He may not belong in the upper eschelon of rock's greatest, but he's a solid second-tier guy, who's contribution to the genre can hardly be termed useless or absent of value.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 16:41:47 CET 2002 from sid21.revealed.net (208.23.178.164)

Mike

Sam, I'm with you all the way. What does Ben know anyhow? I've yet to see a completely intelligent post from him. He ought to ask Garth about Billy. Some people have no taste whatsoever. My hat is off to you Sam. You always seem to have really good taste in music.

Peter, I can take or leave Elton but "Wooden Ships" is significant and does have great meaning. I always think of the holocaust when I hear that song. I don't think I'm alone in this.

For all of you Little Feat fans, Warner/Rhino has planned a 2 disc (remastered and expanded) Waiting For Columbus. It's about time. And two weeks later, The Last Waltz set will be released. A great spring for msuic releases. Adios. Mike

Posted on Fri Jan 18 14:41:26 CET 2002 from (209.195.208.11)

For the record...

The Daily Freeman story regarding Levon Helm is above.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 14:41:06 CET 2002 from (194.100.60.131)

Kalervo

Many thanks BEG...We have this private public line! You know we are dreaming to come to Toronto in 2005 for AA' s 70 th Anniversary conference ( not a penny saved yet!). What do you think of that Bruce' s guide map? Have a nice weekend BEG and everybody!

Posted on Fri Jan 18 14:26:19 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

JTull Fan

Well, I'm taking my wife to see Billy Joel and Elton John tonight. While neither would be considered in my 'Top Ten' artists file, I do enjoy enough songs by each that I'm looking forward to the show and some overpriced flat concert hall beer. I also booked a room at the Crowne Plaza so we don't have to worry about the long drive back from DC. I'll report back tomorrow. Thanks for the cable/dish info. After putting in a home security system this week I think I will settle for a coat-hanger antenna. I also have to save for a DVD player for when the much-ballyhoohed Last Waltz DVD comes out.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 13:56:29 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp68207.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.184.80)

brown eyed girl

KALERVO: I knew when I posted about COCKBURN and LINDEN as other posters did after......you'd jump in......just to stay fit......:-D......Say hei to Katri and thanks for the COCKBURN link!.....One of my fave songs is still....COLDEST NIGHT OF THE YEAR because it is all about the scene in Toronto at the time and in those days we actually had snow at wintertime.....He's definitely a Canadian treasure who has reached people all over the world.......

Dylan has stated that if it was worth his while......He could put together a ten-record set of unreleased songs......It still amazes me the songs he sometimes chooses to actually record......For instance the medicocre EMPIRE BURLESQUE.....He chose to record TIGHT CONNECTION TO MY HEART (HAS ANYBODY SEEN MY LOVE).....but for me......SOMEONE'S GOT A HOLD OF MY HEART from THE BOOTLEG SERIES......is superior lyrically and musically......Dylan's son Jesse flimed the video for EMOTIONALLY YOURS from EMPIRE BURLESQUE.....

Since no Dylan fans could answer what pseudonyms Dylan has used over the years......here they are: Robert Milkwood Thomas....Blind Boy Grunt....Bob Landy....Tedham Porterhouse....Elston Gunn....Elmer Johnson....

Posted on Fri Jan 18 13:22:51 CET 2002 from du-tele3-162.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.162)

Peter Viney

Ben, say all you like about Billy Joel (who I can take or leave) but are you implying that "Wooden ships" isn't profound? You should try some of my huckleberries … been eating then for six or seven weeks now … probably keep us both alive …

Posted on Fri Jan 18 09:55:39 CET 2002 from (194.100.60.131)

Kalervo

It is so good to see Bruce Cockburn (a real Band connection, too)appreciated here. I remember how I like his music for years, but when I got Nothin' But A Burning Light to review to some rock paper it set the burning light in me. I realized that Bruce' s music sound only good at first hearings but listening more opens the greatness of it. And there are so many great songs which so few have heard. For instance Live On My Mind from The Charity of Night is for my wife the most beautiful love song ever or is there more touching song there than Cry Of A Tiny Babe from Nothin' But A Burning Light etc....

Posted on Fri Jan 18 09:51:29 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

I think they refer to it as "The Mainstream Steamer".

Posted on Fri Jan 18 09:36:33 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

well, it wasn't exactly a boat I was too interested in catching...

Posted on Fri Jan 18 09:35:29 CET 2002 from (68.191.50.150)

Woodstock

That post by Gtago Dami is simply not true.....the house was endangered but he declared bankrupcy to ward it off....as per Kingston Freeman newspaper Thursday.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 05:37:46 CET 2002 from spider-wb073.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.183)

Bayou Sam

I do have something quick actually. Anyone who thinks Billy, and Elton are not talented is really missing the boat on them. LIGHTWEIGHT! What are you nuts?. Ask Garth Hudson if Billy Joel is any good on the keyboards.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 05:34:17 CET 2002 from ch-as5396-1-p38.taconic.net (205.231.150.69)

mskacki

Ah hem Hi, regarding gtago's Helm report,please refer to pg. 5 of Woodstock Times which came out today. Gtyago is appently correct which would make you incorrect. Follow up on stories, dear, before you use those ultra-intellectual terms such as smegma.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 05:34:08 CET 2002 from spider-wb073.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.183)

Bayou Sam

I've got nothing to say, but it's OK.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 05:27:01 CET 2002 from 1cust54.tnt30.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.78.54)

Crabgrass

I quite like Ray Charles' TV spot for the New Jersey Lottery but think Richard could have done it better.

Best wishes to former Barn Burner Amy Helm and her new career choice as a whistler. I'm a blues fan but admit that the musical form can be artistically stifling.

In case anyone's interested that check from Prince Mtumbe hasn't cleared yet. I'm expecting the Prince to call me tomorrow as I left a message on his machine.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 05:16:42 CET 2002 from pm455-15.dialip.mich.net (204.39.227.25)

twilight

One of the things to love about Billy Joel's "Songs in the Attic" - he wrote that the record companies forced him to use studio cats on some of his early albums. Having heard the studio takes compared to the live takes - the live takes really kick a greater portion of ass. My vote is certain that it was Mick Taylor playing slide on Infidels. Believe me - the Stones offered him one of the best oulets he's had in his career. BEG is correct - his soaring Gibson Les Paul lead on "Time Waits For No One" was a mighty fine exit from the band. U2 at the Super Bowl? Please say it isn't so. I loved Rattle & Hum - thought they were heade in a more rootsy direction. They went somewheres else. Thought the stuff they did with Robbie was pretty cool - seems a bit dated now. My guess is they have plenty of time to get rootsy. Thank god for Ryan Adams. Imagine this irony - as I sat in the dentists chair today with my gums a bleedin, I was momentarily calmed by the sound of Louis Armstrongs "What a Wonderful World". As the tune came to an end, I heard the souless sax of Kenny G (a la Unforgettable - which was sort a cool) over the top of it - whoever let that happen should be flogged. The pain became unbearable.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 05:13:23 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

Billy Joel is a lightweight...a top 40 writer who's name shouldn't have even been brought up in The Band book. I feel the same way about Elton John and many others that are spoken of in here...it's an insult to quality.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 05:02:42 CET 2002 from proxy2o.dpn.deere.com (192.43.65.245)

Mike

Actually Ben, I haven't seen a complaint about Billy Joel from anyone except youself. Your statements are merely opinions and nothiing more. Keep on trying Ben.

Mike

Posted on Fri Jan 18 04:39:11 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp71449.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.197.20)

brown eyed girl

Billy Joel and Dylan....Apparently Dylan's daughter Anna was enamoured with Joel and asked her Dad if he could arrange for her to meet Joel when they were living in NYC....Joel has stated that he opened his apartment door and there they were......

Since Mark Knopfler was already an accomplished guitarist I wouldn't be surprised if it was Mick Taylor who played slide on INFIDELS....another one of those musician musician's......I still remember Taylor stating in an interview that one of the reasons he left the Stones was because they weren't real musicians.....When I saw Taylor at a small club in the Hudson Bay Centre.......He didn't look comfortable performing by himself......Usually when I think of Mick Taylor however, I remember the GOAT'S HEAD SOUP recording......Check out TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE.......

Rob Stoner......Stoner was Dylan's bassist and bandleader from 1975 to 1979....Rolling Thunder Revue....Desire....Hard Rain....Live At Budokan....and Biograph recordings. He has also recorded and toured with Don Mclean, Robert Gordon, Link Wray....appeared on countless recordings as a studio musician and has recorded solo.....

Why do you think Bob chose to include Bobby Neuwirth on the tour and make him the leader?

Stoner: I think it was Dylan's payback for all that Neuwirth had done for him in the past. Before Bob was anybody, Neuwirth was supposedly one of the "original Bobs"....Another reason Neuwirth was given the ROLLING THUNDER leadership was that he was such a witty guy, a clever turner of phrases. Dylan knew this, and a lot of the things that ended up in Bob's songs were "Neuwirthisms". It makes a lot of sense; they were on the road together 24 hours a day for years during the period when Dylan was coming up with all of that material that later became some of his most famous stuff.

Did you ever see a fan try to harm Bob in any way?

Sid Vicious was the only person I ever saw threaten Bob..........Dylan wasn't freaked or anything. Bob boxes; he's a tough little guy and can take care of himself. We just grabbed Sid and hustled him out of the room......

What is it for you that makes Dylan so brilliant?

Stoner: His presence. He's just got this JE NE SAIS QUOIS, this charismatic thing going on. With those steel-blue eyes and his magnetism, I swear the guy could persuade anyone to do almost anything. Plus, the guy's a genius; he's got an amazing mind.......(check out video for JOKERMAN from INFIDELS where Dylan is video taped real close......Dylan however was not thrilled......but I enjoy looking at his eyes that are......."bluer than robin's eggs" and listening to his idiosyncratic singing and observing his expressive mannerisms)......When I see Dylan live or on video I can't keep my eyes off his face and his feet.......His face tells it all and he's always doing something with his feet......Usually one foot is off the floor a bit......and the last two times I saw him perform......white shoes.......Sorry.....it's my job to be observant.....:-D.....last time I saw the Stones......Keef was wearing snake skinned boots.......Van was wearing...............

Posted on Fri Jan 18 04:21:25 CET 2002 from spider-wk012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.152)

Ben Pike

Billy Joel's "Turnstiles" album is pretty awful; to be talking about it's excellence in the context of major Rock or Pop(i.e., in The Band Guestbook) is absurd.

True, it does have what are certainly two of Joel's better songs, "New York State Of Mind" and "Summer Highland Falls." These show that when Joel tried to capture a mood that was in his grasp; rather than shooting for profundity, he was a gifted, if ultimatly minor, songwriter.

"James" sounds like a something Oprah would listen to. "Miami" is sci fi rock caculated to make "Wooden Ships" seem profound. Billy's Wall of sound tribute "Say Goodbye To Hollywood" only brought out how Billy could never really play with the big kids. (He's fine playing with Garth (Brooks), who treats him like a God.)"Prelude/Angry Young Man" with it's dopey Copeland imatation and ME decade philosphy, is the bottem of the barrel, Billy would have to come up with slop like "Just The Way You Are" and "It's Still Rock And Roll To Me" to make us forget this one. "All You Wanna Do Is Dance" stinks; the nice "I've Loved These Days" helps save things somewhat. On balance, you have to give Joel some credit, he did what so many other gifted if limited talents couldn't or wouldn't do; he stopped annoying us with more bad music. He didn't start the fire, but he had the simple decency to put it out.

Posted on Fri Jan 18 02:30:16 CET 2002 from 1cust183.tnt3.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.109.183)

Hi

That Gtago smegma comment is simply not true.....

Posted on Fri Jan 18 00:30:00 CET 2002 from (64.80.3.234)

Gtago Dami

Levon's house was auctioned today. Too bad all The Band enthusiasts couldn't have given a couple of bucks to help these guys out. Have a great night , everyone

Posted on Thu Jan 17 23:06:13 CET 2002 from (63.66.135.217)

JTull Fan

Jonathan Katz: sorry for the problem. I'll have to investigate. thanks for the info!

Posted on Thu Jan 17 21:40:47 CET 2002 from (137.187.145.24)

Jonathan Katz

JTull Fan: E-mails that I have sent have bounced back, so I guess that you have not gotten this. I first thought that it was in Aug 94 but the GB Archives do not go back that far! [I guess my memory does not serve me well.] It turns out that I posted it on November 9, 1998. [A bit more than a couple of years back!] Time flies....

Posted on Thu Jan 17 18:42:05 CET 2002 from du162-1.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.1.162)

Ilkka

Forget all about the Robertsians, Levonistas, Garthians, Dankofiles or Richardciencis. We all here are JANGSTERS.

Posted on Thu Jan 17 17:27:30 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

I wholeheartily agree with John Donabie about Bruce Cockburn. Yesterday I got a copy of his new greatist hits CD, "Anything, Anytime, Anywhere: Singles 1979-2002" on the Rounder label. The compilation, co-produced by Mr. Cockburn & Colin Linden, was remastered using 24-bit technology. It contains 16 songs, including two newly recorded ones. This CD provides a fine overview of Mr. Cockburn's career for both the uninitiated and longtime fans as well. Better yet -- Rounder has announced that, begining next summer, they will be reissuing Mr. Cockburn's complete back catalog of albums.

twilight -- At the E*Trade Super Bowl XXXVI Halftime Show, produced by Clear Channel Entertainment, U-2 will be performing. How about that for corporate sponsorship.

Posted on Thu Jan 17 16:41:45 CET 2002 from dialup-65.56.131.187.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.56.131.187)

Pat Brennan

I just heard that awful man BB King doing voiceover and playing guitar on a Nextel radio commercial. How dare he?

Posted on Thu Jan 17 16:41:33 CET 2002 from (12.33.178.86)

twilight

Disturbing news - McCartney is playing the Super Bowl with outher such luminaries as Mariah Carey and Marc Anthony. If only someone, somewhere could encourage him to stop. Oh well. Songs in the Attic is a favorite - Billy Joel has always been kind of hit or miss in these parts. Love his attitude though. He has had some magnificent musical moments. Captain Jack, You're My Home, BIlly THe Kid, Big Shot. I'll have to go home and listen again.

Posted on Thu Jan 17 14:35:01 CET 2002 from bcefire2.cibcwg.com (207.61.221.19)

Lawrence Brissenden

There are some interesting Band comments from photographer Elliott Landy at the following web adddress:

http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusic/jan17_woodstock-sun.html

Posted on Thu Jan 17 06:16:13 CET 2002 from spider-te061.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.201)

Dave Z

I'm catching up here... How about Garthcoats (i.e. like Blue or Grey Coats)?... Or for you sports fans... he he he, Garth Bauls?... OK that was bad but anyway, I'm getting ready to take my 3 year olds and their new Snoopy golf clubs to a driving range near you as soon as the snow melts... btw I loved the new pics including one of Levon on the bass... until I watched my new DVD I hadn't realized he actually played it with the Band...

Posted on Thu Jan 17 05:09:00 CET 2002 from syr-24-169-66-92.twcny.rr.com (24.169.66.92)

Bashful Bill

JTullfan-up here in CNY we signed up for digital cable a few months ago. The picture quality is really far superior to what we had before. We get 14 HBO stations-the last 2 are simulcast in Spanish and French, which is occasionally entertaining in itself. Stations with uncut movies and documenteries:Encore and Encore Action, AMC, Turner,FXM, WE(Women's Entertainment), Lifetime Movie Channel(Lifetime Channel movies and miniseries with minimal interuptions), Independent Movie Channel, Love Story, Mystery, western and True Story Channels.All the typical cacle channels-LOTS of sports, 3 MTV, 3 Country, 3 VH1-they recently added on VH1 Classic which is big fun. Oxegyn,Bravo, Soap Opera network, Trio, Gameshow Channel, Cartoon Network, TVLand, lots of other stuff. Then, there are the music channels. Nonstop music for almost everyone for almost any mood. The ones that get played the most by the adults are:Classic Country, Blues, Alt Country, Classical, Classic R&B, Jazz, Singers & Standards, and Showtunes. Also play the Classic Rock station and Solid gold Oldies a lot, I wish the local radio statios would play some of the stuff I hear on these channels. Then there are New releases, For Kids Only, World Beat, The Pulse, Body&Soul(the latter 2 seem to be offshoots of world Music), R&B, Alt Rock, Rock hits, Soft Rock, Hit List, Big Band, Easy Listening,Light Classical, Light Jazz, 80's, 70's, Big Band, most of which I occasionally surf, and occasionally find something interesting. There are also Rap, Dance, Metal, Gospel, Contemporary Christian, Latin, tropical, Mexican, tejano, International Love songs, Brazilian Pop&Brazilian Beat.Suprisingly, no Reggae, Folk, or Opera channels. Other than these 3 omissions, my music cable stations are probably like a typical day at Browneyed Girl's place. We have 2 boxes, one in the family room and on in our bedroom, about $65 monthly. I feel that the dishes are like dinosaurs, inconvenient for the very reasons you mentioned-they are intrusive, expensive, and usually don't have the local channels. But, with all this at my fingeertips, I managed to miss Lucinda Williams and Elvis Costllo on PBS last Sunday. someone around here must have caught it, how was it?

Posted on Thu Jan 17 04:32:43 CET 2002 from (66.43.82.136)

Charlie Young

Speaking of DVD's: I found the Laserlight bargain-priced reissue of Robbie's "Going Home" documentary at a Tower store today. I previously owned only a second-generation video copy taped from the TV broadcast, so watching it was a revelation--though the pretentiousness still dimishes the experience at times (not to mention that it is, after all, the "Disney version" of Robbie's history). It is flawed but well worth the the ten bucks US.

I also picked up that great new "Jools Holland's Big Band Rhythm & Blues" collection on CD featuring no fewer than three guests with deep connections to the band: Dr. John, Eric Clapton and George Harrison. I'm about half-way through it now and so far, so good...

Posted on Thu Jan 17 03:37:16 CET 2002 from 12-251-186-91.client.attbi.com (12.251.186.91)

Drew Barries

Does anyone know anything more about the re-release of "The Last Waltz"? I am looking forward to seeing the film again and especially with DVD quality. And what's up with Levon and Robbie...In an interview with Rolling Stone last year, Helm called the movie "self-serving tripe" and accused Robertson of "taking credit for all the things he never done.") I sure hope you reconsider on a follow up interview. I understand that you are currently touring with your Daughter and the Barnburners. I just missed you when you played in Schenectady, NY. Anyway, hope to see you in 2002 and also on "The Last Waltz" revisited.

Posted on Thu Jan 17 02:49:40 CET 2002 from spider-wj044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.39)

JTull Fan

Technical non-Band question for you guys. I'm now in my new home and trying to decide whether to go with the overpriced cable tv service or get a satellite dish which requires me to wire the house like a Christmas Tree, even having to have a phone line hooked up through each box. This sounds like a real nuisance. Any body out there with a dish who would like to let me know some of the pros and cons? Help, I need my Travel Channel, Weather Channel, HGTV, and Local Access!

Posted on Thu Jan 17 01:17:34 CET 2002 from proxy2o.dpn.deere.com (192.43.65.245)

Mike

Lil, "Turnstiles" is one of my favorites of Billy's as well. I also am partial to "The Stranger" and "Songs In The Attic". How cool about getting to have a cup of coffee with him. I saw a "bootleg" cd of "The Hassles" once. I've also read that he can't stand to hear that music so he'd never agree to it being reissued. Not sure of the vaildity of the last statement. I don't think there's a weak track on "Turnstiles". Even the bouncy/reggae "All You Wanna Do Is Dance" has a charm to it. I'm amazed that this album didn't sell very well upon it's release. Then again, lots of great albums didn't sell that well (Rick's first solo album, Levon and the RCO All Stars, etc...). I wish I had started listening sooner.

Mike

Posted on Thu Jan 17 00:58:27 CET 2002 from hvc-24-164-174-169.hvc.rr.com (24.164.174.169)

Dennis

HI....I know...it's too sad...

Got the blues tonight...gonna go back to the link above and listen to an evening of Ms. Holiday.

Be safe 'n say your prayers.

Posted on Thu Jan 17 00:47:12 CET 2002 from dialup-63.214.64.174.dial1.boston1.level3.net (63.214.64.174)

Becky D.

I am totally CRAZY about the Band and their music! I listen to some of their songs a few times a day, and I hear something different every time! This site covers most everything I can think of--it's great, and very useful.

If someone could e-mail me the lyics to these songs, I would be very grateful. My Eternal Love (Rockin' Revols), Whispering Pines, In a Station, and Christmas Must Be Tonight, Thanks!

I hope Levon's doing great, and healing as quickly as possible. Band forever!

Posted on Thu Jan 17 00:39:49 CET 2002 from grmn-105ppp223.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.223)

Diamond Lil

Mike: Billy Joel's 'Turnstiles' is one of my all-time favorite albums, and definately one of his best. I'm a big fan of his music..have been for more years than I'd like to admit to (I have a vinyl recording he made with his first band, "The Hassles", from Long Island in 1967 when he was 18. There are 2 of the very first songs he ever wrote on it, "Warming up" and "I can tell").
I had one near-encounter with him about 15 years ago in Oyster Bay on Long Island.. when a friend of mine worked for a local seafood company and was delivering to an affair at Billy's home. About 12 of us rode in the truck :-)
And years later, several months ago in fact, I had the immense pleasure of having a cup of coffee with him (and several other people) in a local restaurant as he was passing through town. It was truly one of the highlights of my life.

Oh.. and another Billy Joel/Band link is his (very passionate) recording of Dylan's "To Make you Feel my Love". Aah...

Have a good night everyone.

Posted on Thu Jan 17 00:33:48 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

For Bruce Cockburn fans......Bruce just released another greatest hits CD. A very nice man and a great singer-songwriter-musician.

Posted on Thu Jan 17 00:31:30 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

Thank you Jessica for your kind words. A sleep over would be nice.

Posted on Wed Jan 16 23:45:58 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

Great posts today..thanks so much for the info on Dylan's version of "Blind Willie McTell"....the "slavery ships" verse was always my favorite too.

Posted on Wed Jan 16 23:37:31 CET 2002 from spider-wa053.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.43)

JTull Fan

Mike: interesting you brought up Billy Joel. We're going to see him with Elton John up in DC Friday night.

Posted on Wed Jan 16 22:01:02 CET 2002 from 1cust84.tnt2.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.108.84)

Hi

Dennis, it ain't worth mentioning....

Posted on Wed Jan 16 21:17:14 CET 2002 from (38.158.194.35)

Tiny Montgomery

Regarding Blind Willie McTell on "Rough Cuts," it certainly is a mystery why it was dropped from Infidels. After ignoring the song for about 14 years, Dylan has been playing it live occasionally since 1997, though for some reason he omits the "ghosts of the slavery ships" verse, which I always thought was very powerful. When I visited Charleston, SC once, I kept hearing Rick's voice singing those words as I looked out over the harbor there. To me, the Jericho version is still the best.

Posted on Wed Jan 16 20:52:23 CET 2002 from (216.5.93.50)

Jenny T

Reading about Amy Helm's activities, I am wondering are any other Band progeny involved in music in any way? On the Billy Joel thread, I am not a huge fan but he has written some great tunes, plays great piano and has a great voice. I remember really loving one song in particular, about coming home at the end of a long work day to your beloved wife or whoever you're desperate to see. My sister had the album, don't remember what it was, but the song seemed to really build up emotionally. The words were about pulling into the street (I always pictured a hideous parking garage) and cars putting their headlights on, "and when they're closing it down, I'm going to open it up..." It was a love song but not trite.

Posted on Wed Jan 16 20:00:07 CET 2002 from bob22.revealed.net (208.16.227.25)

Mike

Thanks John W. That which I did not know. Speaking of Billy Joel, I've never really gotten anything past An Innocent Man. I don't know why, I just never have. And I've been into his stuff for a few years. All I know are his hit singles from 1985 onwards...Anything to recommend? Where do I go? Anybody?

Mike

Posted on Wed Jan 16 19:47:17 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

I've been listening to an interesting Dylan bootleg, "Rough Cuts". It contains outtakes from the 1983 "Infidels" sessions recorded at the Power Station. There's a great alternate, electric version of "Blind Willie McTell" on there featuring some fine slide guitar. I'm not sure whether it's Mick Taylor or Mark Knopfler playing. In the first verse, however, it sounds like Dylan bumped into the microphone, but that hardly distracts from the intensity of this version.

Posted on Wed Jan 16 19:30:28 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Band/Billy Joel connection... Garth Hudson played on Mindy Jostyn's 1995 album, "Five Miles From Hope" (see Albums by Artists with Involvement by Band Members on this site). Mindy Jostyn toured with Billy Joel's band on the Storm Front tour in 1990.

Posted on Wed Jan 16 18:36:59 CET 2002 from du186-3.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.3.186)

Ilkka and Meadowlark2

Mr. and Mrs. Paul Godfrey: congratulations!!! 30 years!
Shine on-and-on-and-on-and-on...

Posted on Wed Jan 16 17:47:51 CET 2002 from (63.64.108.5)

Dale parker

I just found this site while searching for some song lyrics while at work. I will be reading alot to fill in the gaps of what I know about The Band.

I first heard of The Band while watching MTV in the early 80s (born in 62)- they were playing The Night They Drove Ol Dixie Down from the Last Waltz. The first time I heard that song, I fell in love with the sound of The Band.

What intrigued me the most was the variety of styles, particularly the music that sounded as if it were written many many years ago, yet was written in the 60s and 70s. The skill and genius of the writers and members fascinates me to this day. I only wish I had been born 10 years earlier to "live in the moment" and possibly see them in concert back then.

Posted on Wed Jan 16 17:22:46 CET 2002 from zorg127.revealed.net (208.243.237.127)

Mike

Something not really Band related...

I've been listening to "Turnstiles" by Billy Joel quite a lot recently. In my opinion, it's one of his best albums. This was before he released "The Stranger" and became a major success. While this album contains no hit singles, songs such "Say Goodbye To Hollywood", "New York State Of Mind" and "Miami 2017 (Seen The Lights Go Out On Broadway)" are as good as any hit he's ever had. It's just a really enjoyable album (produced by Billy himself) that has a nice sound to it. Lots of what Billy does best, which is play piano (Prelude/Angry Young Man is a good example). I got to thinking...were/are there any Band/Billy Joel links? Hmm...The one that comes to mind is Phil Ramone who engineered "Rock Of Ages" and produced several of Billy's albums starting with "The Stranger". Sorry to have ranted. Off to work soon...Adios. Peace.

Mike

Posted on Wed Jan 16 13:51:29 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp68694.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.186.59)

brown eyed girl

For those of you who can make it to SAM THE RECORD MAN.....the only Band solo recording still available.....RICK'S LIVE ON BREEZE HILL......for 10.00.....I bought all his recordings when they came out at twice the cost......Now LEVON'S AMERICAN SON is only available at import prices at 35.00......so if anyone could burn that CD for me I would gladly burn something in return.....

CALM AND CRITTER......I am still going through the 14 CDS that you sent me......Wow.............I'm really enjoying some of the boots.........Which reminds me.....DON......I know that you don't want any CDS in return for the SUN LEGACY one that you burned.....I have no idea why TCLW was inaudible......but it was a very generous and cool thing you did for THANKSGIVING.....but I'm still willing to burn something in return.......but besides HIATT, AND LEVON......I have no idea what would rock your world.....You probably have everything by them anyway...:-D

KALERVO: Please come back and post in the guestbook.....You evince intelligence, sensitivity (which is a sign of real strength) and an eagerness to explore newer artists......I also really appreciate how your agenda in the guestbook is not to OUTSMART AND OUTHUMOUR THE NEXT POSTER.....I can hear QUICKSILVER'S MESSENGER SERVICE now......HAVE ANOTHER HIT......OF FRESH AIR......or LEE MICHAELS......DO YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN?.....DO YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN?.....

You see Kalervo.....I'm not a coffee drinker so your posts were a great way to wake up......but until you post again.........I will continue to drink my power shakes of carob soya milk with banana Spiru-tein......It looks and tastes like a chocolate shake.....but no caffeine.....and spirulina and other nutrients for energy.......Anyway, I know Kalervooooooo I'm stuck in the past.....but I did buy CREE SUMMER'S CD AT SAM THE RECORD MAN so.........I'm in the present too......but......too much KRAVITZ influence on her recording........YOU and I know who should have produced it instead......;-D

Posted on Wed Jan 16 12:56:06 CET 2002 from i153-162.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.153.162)

Nancy

Seriously I have NEVER been emailed by any of those Ivory Coast types looking for money, even though I have posted here on occasion for 18 months. Why have I been excluded???? Discrimination!!!

I get all other types of spam crapola regularly. My fav is the one that promises me my own appendage, so large people will think its a third leg, which is funny when you consider I have never wanted such an appendage, even one of normal size.............

Posted on Wed Jan 16 12:03:17 CET 2002 from du-tele3-024.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.24)

Peter Viney

The Ivorians (or Ivory Coasters) have an interesting version of the Nigerian one. I love the phrase “As God would have it recently …” which crops up in their letters. Seems they want finance to move cartons of cattle medicine around the world, though whether this “cattle medicine” comes as a white powder, brown resinous lumps or as a green herbal mixture they don’t say.

This would be amusing until you read about the trial of the Nigerian lady who has been sentenced to be stoned to death for adultery under Sharia law. Her crime was to be raped in a field by a local bigwig and give birth as a result. The British government are currently trying to intervene .

Posted on Wed Jan 16 11:36:19 CET 2002 from grmn-105ppp206.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.206)

Diamond Lil

After reading all the posts about the generosity here regarding Dr. Mrs Mariam Abacha, I felt so guilty and selfish for not doing my part..and so, I wrote her a nice note, explaining that as a mother myself, I understand her plight. I'm very proud to tell you all that I sent her my newly aquired 1lb glob of silly putty and my Dilbert mug (both sent to me by the Crabster.. COD of course), all but 2 of my back-issues of Cosmo, my life savings (which was difficult to part with, but I wrote her the check for the whole $3.67 anyhow), and a copy of that great book 'Chicken soup for the Nigerian Doctor/Mother's Soul'. I've done my part and can now hold my head up high in this guestbook again.
I should mention however, that I did ask Mrs. Abacha to understand my plight as well. I have _3_ kids here, and since she's a doctor and all, could she send me back a script for valium? I didn't think that was too much to ask....

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Wed Jan 16 07:16:49 CET 2002 from sqd40.nirai.ne.jp (202.239.129.43)

Fred

My African friends: Olu Cole, Abukahar Umar, Numeroluwee Omoboys, Christopher Oni, William Kolade, Dr. Pass Kossi Frago Sankoh, Mariam Abacha (aka Dr. Mrs. Mariam Abacha widow of the dearly departed General Sanni Abacha head of state for Nigeria) and her politically imprisoned son Mohammed--who had to bribe the prison guards in order to open up an e-mail account. I rate higly with these people (even with the nephew of the widow Abacha, who works in the Nigerian Chamber of Commerce, Industry and Mining...he told her that I am an upstanding and trustworthy person). So my question is ..would it be improper of me to use my new found African friends as references on my resume'? Also I was thinking of e-mailing them to invest, discreetly and privately of course, in ME. I am being psychologically tortured on a regulary basis by my wife and daughter who keep demanding I pay the bills, buy groceries and purchase gifts etc. I am a politcal prisoner in my own home!! After all Dr. Mrs. Abacha wanted to invest $28 million (US) in my country...two days after issuing A CRY FOR HELP e-mail about the plight of dear sonny locked up in some rat infested hell hole of a Nigerian prison (which is connected to the internet, naturally).

On a thoroughly different note, I bought the remastered Islands yesterday...my opinion is it's OK. But I've only listened to it a few times. I have this feeling that it is the type of album/CD that eventually grows on a person...which is OK as I have plenty of time on my hands as I wait for more news from my African friends. I wonder if they like The Band?

Posted on Wed Jan 16 03:02:32 CET 2002 from cx228454-a.btnrug1.la.home.com (24.13.206.240)

Grumpy Old Men

Excellent site, we cover some of The Band's tunes. See the Grumpy Old Men With the Stage Fright!

Posted on Wed Jan 16 01:59:30 CET 2002 from ppp393.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.6.77)

paul godfrey

May I suggest...Garthinian...rhymns nicely with Canadian.

May I congratulate Mrs. Godfrey on the occassion of her 30th wedding anniversary.

And to think that she put up with the Shine On kid for all those years. Love ya babe!

Posted on Wed Jan 16 00:30:57 CET 2002 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Robbers, Manuelites, Helmists (I wish I was the one who invented Levonistas), Dankonites & Garthians...

In short: we're all Bandits.

Having said that, I'm going to bed now... it's half past midnight.

If it wasn't for The Band, I'd spend my whoooole life sleeping...

Posted on Tue Jan 15 23:49:04 CET 2002 from (66.43.82.136)

Charlie Young

Sort of quiet here today, so I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the recent Creedence Clearwater Revival six CD box? I think that John Fogerty's "Wrote a Song for Everyone" sounds remarkably like "The Weight" and apparently was released almost simultaneously. Any thoughts on that? The whole CCR "Green River" album (that contains "Wrote a Song for Everyone") is one of those records that I memorized in high school and still know which song follows which without thinking. I think that's right up there with what someone called the "singalong factor" in determining all-time favorite recordings...

Posted on Tue Jan 15 20:51:11 CET 2002 from (205.211.160.1)

jerry tenenbaum

"phile" = love: so Robertsonophile+ Manuelophile+ Dankophile+ Hudsonophile+ Helmophile = Bandophile --- It's all Greek to me. Dylanophile has been used for a long time. So has Bobcat.

Posted on Tue Jan 15 20:12:30 CET 2002 from spider-tf034.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.189)

BILLY-LONE-WOLF

I JUST GOT DONE LOOKING AT YOUR HOME PAGE I FOUND TO BE GOOD BUT HOW EVER IT MAYBE I WAS LOOKING FOR BAND CALLED EXT ONE OF BEST BANDS IHEARD ONETIME ICOULD BE WRONG ON THE NAME I AM NOT SHURE BUT ITHINK THE SONG I AM LOOKING FOR IS EXIT WITH OUT REZERVATION IF ANY ONE KNOWS HOW I CAN FINDE IT I NEED YOUR HELP.THANKYOU MUCH BILLY LONE WOLF

Posted on Tue Jan 15 20:13:18 CET 2002 from sid21.revealed.net (208.23.178.164)

Mike

How about "Manuel-ite"? Pehr, I do like "Dankophile". It's catchy. How about "Hudsonian"? Sounds like Smithsonian. It conjures up thoughts of significance and importance in the history of music. The Band certainly fits that bill to a "T". Peace.

Mike

Posted on Tue Jan 15 18:48:21 CET 2002 from du114-249.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.249.114)

Ilkka

Thread: spam-mails. - Basically, Peter Viney has right. Internet is like a market place in Marrakesh. You'll get robbed. And next time you'll hire a cripple man (i.e. antivirus or firewall corporation) to hit the other beggars. I'M SICK AND TIRED OF THE INTERNET. I had the privilege(!) to live for three weeks without the radio, newspapers, TV or the Internet during the holiday season. This is what I needed:
1.) A short wave band radio with BBC World News (I just love the sound: "Da-da-dam-daa da-dam-daa da-da-da-dam da da-da-dam-daa THIS IS LONDON".)
2.) A text-TV to see if Robbie has done some good for my GAP stocks.
3.) Last AND least: the Internet (Don't get me wrong: I MISSED the gb people but rather I'd meet you in a bistro over a glass of Cotes de Provence - or a glass of water from a mountain spring. (Of course, you should wear a straitjacket ;-)

Internet is DEAD. Long live the Internet.

Posted on Tue Jan 15 18:28:57 CET 2002 from m198214176125.austin.cc.tx.us (198.214.176.125)

Pehr

My contribution was the word "Weenyfied". It refers to the deterioration of debate pertaining to fued's and so on- but coming from a Dankophile such as myself it would be diffucult to list any truly Garthian attributes.

Posted on Tue Jan 15 18:08:40 CET 2002 from 1cust208.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.208)

rollie

manu-eliega?

Posted on Tue Jan 15 18:02:49 CET 2002 from du-tele3-028.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.28)

Peter Viney

FUED - noun, countable. US, UK. See also FEUD. A "FUED" refers specifically to disagreements between Robbie Robertson and Levon Helm of The Band, the greatest group of the rock era. e.g. P VINEY 2002 'the fued between the Robertsonians and Levonistas extended to hot coffee and pretzels".

Origin: often assumed to the word FEUD, Middle English, (Active hatred, bitter hostility, ill-will, mutual hostility especially between two families, tribes, individuals). E.A. Freeman "carrying out an ancestral feud."

Posted on Tue Jan 15 16:17:15 CET 2002 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

GARTHIAN! Yes franko... great that is...

And... I was the one who invented it, if my mem'ry serves me well...

Is there a young student out there, ready to dive into the Guestbook Archives and prove my claim to fame...?

Posted on Tue Jan 15 15:17:42 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tc014.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.154)

franko

Best new word from the GB is "Garthian." My only contribution to the new word category, Dankophile, sadly, never really took off.

Posted on Tue Jan 15 14:30:23 CET 2002 from du-tele3-101.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.101)

Peter Viney

Every day it grows a little more than it did the day before … just had an offer (7.5 million this time) from the Congo via the Ivory Coast. This thing is spreading.

Posted on Tue Jan 15 14:12:47 CET 2002 from dialin-587-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.3.79)

Gene

It brings a tear to my eye when I think that Larry Flynt won't get any more overnights in the Lincoln Bedroom in return for illegal campaign contributions. Refreshing, however, to see Sheila Jackson Lee cheerleading for Enron and defending Robert Ruben's '1st Amendmend Rights' to lobby for Enron. What we need is more government solutions to eradicate all our problems...NOT!

Posted on Tue Jan 15 14:11:08 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

I take it that y'all spent all day yesterday laughing at other human beings spilling hot coffee in their laps and choking on food particles...have a nice breakfast.

Posted on Tue Jan 15 12:51:58 CET 2002 from hvc-24-169-149-176.hvc.rr.com (24.169.149.176)

Russ

Wow, Jan thanks for those '95 pictures.... from the words of another Canadian band "from a better vanished time". The world was indeed different. Garcia and Danko were around and that good vibe still existed, knowing The Band was cooking "High on The Hog" in Woodstock..... eh Butch? When I heard they were going to warm up the Dead in Chi-town, that just was just too cool. Too Soon Gone - Russ

Posted on Tue Jan 15 12:27:32 CET 2002 from i030-125.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.30.125)

Nancy

I have a simple theory of Bush's recovery, based on my extensive knowledge of the human anatomy and of pretzels. During the initial panic of the choking episode (natural to anyone in this awful predicament), he collapsed and it took him all those minutes of collapse to remember that pretzels are full of air holes.................................

Posted on Tue Jan 15 11:57:47 CET 2002 from grmn-105ppp48.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.48)

Diamond Lil

I thought this was interesting. According to yourdictionary.com (Thanks Paul T.. miss hearing from you.. but have coffee with your radio comentary every morning :-).. the top 5 words that have come into common usage since 2001 are:
5)Anthrax
4)God (in all different forms, including 'Allah')
3)The islamic word 'Jihad'
2)The single letter "W" (pronounced "Dubya")
1) Ground Zero

A sign of the times I'm sure.

And keeping with that thought, anyone wanna take a shot at the top 5 words that have come into common usage from our own Band guestbook? I can think of 2 right off the top of my coffee-soaked head.. "Robertsonian" and "Levonista". Can anyone come up with more? This could be fun..and yet still Band related (go figure, hm? :-)

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Tue Jan 15 06:34:24 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-012neomahp1217.dialsprint.net (63.189.52.201)

Dave Z

Cool Butch!!! I hope we have not heard the last from Miss Amy... I am gonna have to listen again for that commercial...

Maybe Bush has that reflex throat thing... Hopefully while he was down for the count he had a vision... of economic recovery... that would be the kind of pretzel logic I'd be interested in hearing about... but my worst fear is that he had a vision of a bunny swimming toward his canoe... and he's withholding...

Posted on Tue Jan 15 04:40:01 CET 2002 from (12.88.109.184)

Ray C

I don't know if this is old news, but the following website lists April 16th as the release date of The Last Waltz - 4 cd set coming from Rhino Records and April 30th as the release date for the DVD-Audio. Does anyone know when the DVD will be released. Here is the website.http://www.rhino.com/new/upcoming.html

Posted on Tue Jan 15 04:09:43 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp75643.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.213.150)

Michael Charlong

As a boy I first heard "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"and remeber thinking this is history put to music so pure and powerful. I'll never forget that moment. Great Website

Posted on Tue Jan 15 03:51:26 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tf034.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.34)

franko

Crabgrass. STOP!

PRETZELS ARE DANGEROUS.

If you faint, email me (after you are revived) - I have a cousin who is a lawyer....

Posted on Tue Jan 15 02:50:24 CET 2002 from spider-tk051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.196)

Ben Pike

My "approved" media outlets, you mean the ones that don't scream "fair and balanced" when even there fans(like you) seem to admit they're not? There are small left wing news outlets to go to...Pacifica radio, Salon is center left with some right wing nut cases thrown in for balence, but NOW HERE THIS... virutaly ALL of the corporate, mainstream media runs from far out nutball right wing(Fox News and it's Pals) to moderate to semi far right wing(Sam and Cookie, Russart, and the rest of the get Clinton gang). The perfect example would be Chris Mattews, who keeps reminding you he once worked for Tip O'Neill, but in fact led the charge against Gore telling an ocean of lies and reveling in distortion. To put the obvious truth plainly THE LIBERAL MEDIA IS THE CENTRAL "BIG LIE' MYTH OF OUR TIME. The "patriot" who would have "Superman for President, and let Robin save the day," like you, Tullfan, knows this as well as I do. It doens't mean you can't sell him a lot of Vince Foster if you keep flattering him(you take the smart person's viewpoint, you're "fair and balenced")

Personaly, I find the Robertson/Clinton comparisons interesting, but I understand your desire to get back to the music. As Limbaugh today told an army of suckers that Enron had layed out it's money between the parties 55/45, an utter LIE, the quicksand will be rising fast on you flag waving BS fans.

I feel your pain.

Posted on Tue Jan 15 02:40:19 CET 2002 from spider-wb024.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.159)

JTull Fan

I'm reading today's board and having a good laugh. For all the hot air this really is quite funny when you step back and look at it. I think it's great that as diverse as all of us seem to be, music as wonderful and enduring as the Band's somehow manages to bring us all together, even if we do squabble from time to time. Just imagine if we were all stuck on a bus ala the 8th grade class trip and sent to some museum somewhere. Imagine the havoc we would wreak! The poor bus driver, museum tour guide, chapparones, and people at McDonalds when we stop for lunch! On a Band related note, I need to do some business in southern California within a few weeks. Anybody know of any Band related sights? Is Shangri La accessable or noteworthy? I didn't have time when I went last year but this year I hope to explore a bit more.

Posted on Tue Jan 15 01:33:46 CET 2002 from 1cust114.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.92.114)

Crabgrass

Well, I knew everyone here would eventually get tired of talking about The Band!! Personally, I find the change quite welcome but have gotten really hungry reading the slew of recent non-Band related posts and am going out for some pretzels and coffee!!

Catch you later...

Posted on Tue Jan 15 01:31:20 CET 2002 from dialin-1432-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.6.162)

Gene

I guess that some dope could buy a nail and manage to drive it into his hand. Must the manufacturer put a warning label on the nail? Moral - Make something idiot proof and they'll come up with better idiots. I've never heard from the Nigerians.

Posted on Tue Jan 15 00:19:17 CET 2002 from spider-wk032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.162)

JTull Fan

Bassmanlee: Yes! Good news sight. I approve. I think there should be a tax on all hot beverages that will go to a 'Klutz' fund for anybody who splooges on themselves. It can go towards drycleaning, skingraphs, etc. Back in college I lost some hearing playing my stereo too loud. I think we should tax all cd's, especially the Band and Tull, which I was blasting at 100 watts per channel. This fund can buy hearing aids for me and people like me. We should have a tax on potatoe (nod to Quayle) chips and nachoes that will go to support free weight watchers for everyone. Sound dumb? Well we do this with cigarettes, except most of that money goes into a general fund. PIKESTER: Since you quote Tull so well you are welcome to my moniker out here. I have plenty of other musical interests (The Band included)that I am sure I can find a new one. By the way, I feel badly for Buddy the Dog and his owner, whoever he is, now that Clinton will not be paying rent on him. Still waiting for your approved news sources. Do they require an aluminum foil helmut with a propeller aimed at Mars to receive their frequencies? C'mon, guy, I'm ready to get back to The Band. WHat about you?

Posted on Mon Jan 14 23:58:30 CET 2002 from du-tele3-148.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.148)

Peter Viney

Would you leave the lady from Albuquerque in charge of YOUR six month old baby? No? My case rests.

On dramatic injuries, which 60s movie contains the line "Just run it under a cold tap"? (I know one regular who's certain to know!).

Posted on Mon Jan 14 23:31:24 CET 2002 from du-tele3-149.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.149)

Peter Viney

Some Like It Hot / Java Blues: All I can say is that the health experts are proved right: cream and sugar are bad for you anyway, but especially if applied to a hot cup of coffee in a vehicle. Also drive throughs (or “thrus” as McDonalds calls them in the UK) are not good for the digestion. BTW, running around with a pair of scissors should never be attempted while listening to “Gimmee Shelter.” I’m going to sue the Rolling Stones, because listening to “Let it Bleed” in a vehicle definitely causes me to drive faster, and with all these radar traps around, I could lose my licence. I’ve found that Motown / Atlantic soul adds about 5 to 10 mph, but The Stones add a dangerous 15 – 20 mph, I’d better stick to The Band so I can stay at a mellow 70 (legal limit here).

Posted on Mon Jan 14 23:01:21 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

McDonalds serves their coffee, just like their apple pies -- scalding hot! I can't think of anything more unAmerican than messing with apple pie & coffee (:-) And don't even get me started on what happens when hamburger meat is not cooked properly. Here's a clue to corporate mentality -- At the Liebeck v. McDonalds trial, a "human factors engineer" testifying for Mickey Ds during the jury trial stated that the number of injuries suffered by customers were "statistically insignificant" when compared to the billions served annually. In other words, over one billion served but just a few burned.

Back to the subject of music -- The other day I made a nice find at a used record store. I found a 45 single from the "Before The Flood" live concert album. Side A has "Most Likely You Go Your Way (And I'll Go Mine)" with "Stage Fright" on the flip side. Rick's bass sounds especially nice on the stereo Asylum 45 version. I was lucky enough to have seen the '74 Dylan/Band tour during their stop in Atlanta. I seem to recall that Levon and Richard both played drums on "Most Likely..." Does my memory serve me well?

Posted on Mon Jan 14 22:57:06 CET 2002 from maxtnt-2-60.enter.net (208.137.245.24)

Nobody

Ok. I'll return to the GB when everybody in here returns to a more Band related subject.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 22:13:04 CET 2002 from grmn-105ppp184.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.184)

Jessica

Mr John. I want to say happy birthday to you to. My birthday is saturday. im having a sleepover. Did you have one? they are fun. Well anyway, happy birthday from me to. love, Jessica.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 22:06:36 CET 2002 from ppp505.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.6.189)

paul godfrey

I have finally figured out the meaning of Discovery.

This is not Band related ... but its Amarikan. Actually I once knew a Mexican Singer who spilled coffee in his lap. He's now a soprano. Oh, the meaning of Discovery.

I am about to launch a lawsuit against McDonalds...I am sick and tired of luke-warm and cold coffee. Shine On everybody. Its been that kind of a day.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 21:57:06 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-97-175.maine.rr.com (24.198.97.175)

mattk

Peter, that's a bit of hyperbole, no? Balancing the cup on your head is reckless behavior, out of norm for what the provider intended for use. One assumes McD's expects people to drink coffee in the car that's purchased through a drive through. Certainly their advertising promotes this convenience.

If you purchased the tea in a prefab container that popped open and severely damaged your hands, causing permanent epidurmal and nerve damage, and you discovered the maker of that container knew of 700 people who had the same thing happen to them as a result of "normal" use, then the perspective changes dramatically, no?

If I run around the house with a pair scissors, fall and stab myself, then that's my fault. If however, I purchase scissors in packaging, and in the process of following the manufacturer's directions for removing the scissors, cut off a finger (and I find out the company KNOWS there's a history of this problem), the good faith in purchase is breached.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 21:51:41 CET 2002 from grmn-105ppp184.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.184)

Diamond Lil

Oh no! A special, one-day belated Happy Birthday to my good friend John Donabie, from someone who loves you but admittedly has a strainer-brain at times. Forgive me?

Posted on Mon Jan 14 21:48:12 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-97-175.maine.rr.com (24.198.97.175)

mattk

Well, lets at least get the facts straight. I was wrong, it was a woman who was burned, however, digging deeper found the following under-reported facts surrounding this case (source: http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm).

The car was NOT in motion. The coffee spilled as the woman, Stella Liebeck of Albuquerque, NM, attempted to add cream and sugar while the car was at rest. The plaintiff was NOT behind the wheel, she was in the passenger seat (her grandson was behind the wheel). This is not a case of someone driving down the road with coffee between their legs. The car was at rest, the contents spilled as she attempted to remove the lid.

During discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than 700 claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebecks. This history documented McDonalds' knowledge about the extent and nature of this hazard.

McDonalds admitted that they knew their customers could suffer third-degree burns from the coffee. So despite the fact they KNEW their recommended temperature could cause severe damage to flesh, their "warning" (or "reminder" as McD's lawyers termed it) fell far short from "contents may cause permanent damage and result in life-threatening injuries). This despite a history of injuries from this kind of thing in the 10 years preceding the case in question.

So we have a corporation selling an item in a condition that they KNEW and DOCUMENTED could cause a severe bodily hazard, yet did little to advise customers on the degree of danger (third-degree burns present life-threatening injuries).

Again, folks, this isn't an "owie." The injury was quite severe:

The plaintiff suffered third-degree burns over 6% of her body, including legs, thighs, etc, requiring 8 days of hospitilization, skin grafting and $20,000 US in doctors bills. The plaintiff originally approached McD's only to recover her medical bills. Only AFTER being refused by McD's lawyers, was she forced to pursue matters through civil suit.

While some find this suit "frivelous," a jury disagreed, finding McD's 80% liable for the damage (the plaintiff found 20% liable). After McD's made some adjustments, the trial court reduced the damages (compensatory and punative) considerably.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 21:38:28 CET 2002 from du-tele3-050.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.50)

Peter Viney

Um, hot water does tend to scald, as any adult will know. The McDonald’s case is quoted just as endlessly here, but what I’m after is hot tea. I just made myself a cup with freshly boiling water, but if I decided to balance it on my head while typing, I wouldn’t hold the multi-national corporation Philips who manufactured the electric kettle which so efficiently brings it to full boil to blame if it spilled on me. But I do agree on how we’re polluted with disclaimers on everything we buy. My favourite disclaimer was during the censorship row on rock lyrics. Don’t remember whether it was Derek & Clive or Monty Python (or someone else altogether), “WARNING: Not to be played in the presence of miners.”

Back to the music. You know, I’d’ve bought that Dylan thing if it had been a bootleg and copies would have been passed around. It does have one solid virtue, ‘The Ballad of Ira Hayes’ plus possibly ‘Spanish is the Loving Tongue’ (which is more than some bootlegs). When the CD came out they added the subtitle “A Fool Such As I” which might have been a barbed comment on the singer’s hubris in tackling songs like ‘Can’t Help Falling in love” without the requisite vocal equipment. Also one "rock record" type discography claimed The Band were on it. Erroneously.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 21:12:28 CET 2002 from h00b0d0c96946.swt.edu (147.26.110.224)

Pehr

This thread isnt normally my cup of tea either...

Posted on Mon Jan 14 20:54:41 CET 2002 from spider-tm074.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.79)

BenPike

And by the way PV, the old lady that got (actually pretty horribly) burned at McDonalds has become a straw man for those who get their info on the state of affairs from screaming right wing talk show hosts. Do you actually believe that this case, some ten years old but still the only one you hear talked about, is representative of individual rights vrs. corporate rights in the courts and in soceity? If so, you probably believe O.J. Simpson was a typical murder trial. Most of these huge corporations, my ill informed british friend, have had all potential grevance bringers sign there rights away, including first ammedment rights; long before they can even think about going to court. In short: why do you think you are still harping on this McDonalds case all these years later? Because it was a freak accident. Often, those talking the "courts have gone crazy" line will list an assortment of absurd cases; but won't tell if they got anywhere, because they didn't. (Don't expect the Fox News Viewer, however, to think that far ahead.) But hey, if you defend Columbia's release of "Dylan"; I guess the multi-nationals have a true friend in you.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 20:16:03 CET 2002 from du-tele3-035.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.35)

Peter Viney

Having just downloaded more crap from Nigeria (a "Dr Mrs …this time) I still say it's indefensible, and reports say here that it's also dangerous and potentially violent . Don't think that the African influence on American music has anything to do with the current criminality of a corrupt regime either.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 20:05:51 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-te014.proxy.aol.com (64.12.103.154)

Ben Pike

I'm glad to have drawn the mini rant out of Tull, clearly the Limbaugh show is his major sourse of info, to the assorted nonsense repeated here, I can only quote Gene Lyons. "You know, I've been trying to think of something more lowdown, more relavatory of an obsessed, shrived soul the size of a dried pea, than attacking a man on the occasion of his dog's death, I can't."

Right on. The party of torte reform that hired Paula Jones to bring a nusance suit against Clinton, distracting the ex branch from things like, oh, I don't know, hunting international terrorists, still wants to play the "it was about lieing" game. BS. It was about furthering the amazingly petty, craven, dishonest agenda of the radical right, with the press along for the ratings. This Lay fellow or "whatever his name is", nice try. He was "Kenny boy" to the Bushes, and had been for a long, long time.

So, the dead ditto head is Woundering Again, and how the excrement bubbles. Two parting shots: Bush Jr. has allready lied about his relationship to the Enron, who stole millions from there own employees. To some of us, that's a more serious matter than knocking off a piece, but hey, sanity is a burden. I would also direct the readers attention to Bush Sr.'s pardons, in every way as questionable(or more so) than Clintons; they raised eyebrows but triggered no natioal firestorm; of course, there was no impeachment payback(from the Press, remember N.B.C. and the Bush White House's fake "White House Pranks" story?) involved.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 19:46:49 CET 2002 from du-tele3-121.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.121)

Peter Viney

I’m glad we’ve got down to serious stuff. I hate to disagree with Matt (who I normally agree with on musical matters!) But the McDonald’s incident is indeed “lawyers out of control” and of great import to British, Irish and Australian expatriates in the USA and to British, Irish and Australian visitors. While you can make decent coffee from water at less than boiling temperature, you can’t make tea unless the water is boiling hot, i.e. 212 degrees Fahrenheit / 100 degrees Celsius. It has to be freshly drawn, and freshly boiled. Tea in the USA and in US chains over here like Starbucks, is nearly always awful (with a few honourable exceptions such as the estimable American Peat’s chain and some hotels). The main reasons are (a) plastic cups which you can taste- it should be made in a china pot (b) wildly excessive amounts of water- a teabag is designed for a standard one third of a pint cup, not half a pint or as it sometimes is, a pint of water (c) worst of all insufficiently hot water, but (d) the loose tea / teabags thing isn’t the vital issue. You can get good teabags and US outlets often use intrinsically good ones. Nothing wrong with the standard Twinings if brewed properly. Now, in spite of the plastic cups and poor quality tea, McDonald’s USA were one of the only places that used water that was hot enough. i.e. McDonald’s tea was better than Starbucks’ tea. But since the ruling, everyone serves water that is too tepid to brew tea. And if anyone is stupid enough to hold a hot drink between their legs in a moving car, then it should be ruled as their own fault! For that matter, courts could rule that drinks holders in cars are intrinsically dangerous. Just this morning I stopped at a red light behind a woman who was drinking from a china cup at the wheel. When the light turned green, she took another sip, calmly put the cup down and looked for the gear. She lurched across the light just as it turned red again, leaving me behind with my hand on the horn. (Had it been Italy the whole queue would have rightly blown their horns.)

Posted on Mon Jan 14 19:44:34 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

Oh No...it's the attack of the hippie liberal types...I had hoped you would have disappeared in disgrace along with your with commander in chief or at least had stayed hidden under his desk...looking for a Band link....

Posted on Mon Jan 14 19:40:36 CET 2002 from du105-4.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.4.105)

Ilkka

About Nigerians: Without the musical traditions from that part of the world we would discuss HILLBILLY here. We can live with one or two spam-mails, ok? - 99% comes from the US anyway.
To Web Maestro: I have difficulties to send messages to gb with the _Norwegian_ Opera browser (5.02). GB error: your message has already been sent or thrown away.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 19:34:17 CET 2002 from spider-wb062.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.177)

John Dee

Can someone please tell me where I can find the soundtrack for the movie Jimmy Hollywood which is listed on you site.I already tried cdnow.com and amazon.com Please help jdee57@aol.com

Posted on Mon Jan 14 18:37:49 CET 2002 from plantlogic.com (209.195.208.11)

bassmanlee

JTull! How could you forget the Weekly World News!

(Which is, BTW, reporting a shocking scarcity of "popular Hallucinogenic Toads". It's true, it's true! See link above.)

Posted on Mon Jan 14 18:08:38 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

JTull fan

I believe the McDonald's coffee scenario was caused by the 'victim' holding the cup between her legs while in a car. I agree, McDonalds coffee is unnecessarily hot. But even so, I am smart enough not to stick it between my legs are any other valuable bodily real estate. Nor would I attempt to place a bowl of hot soup there. Now, if Matt were to drop a hot bowl of soup in my lap, he would be just a 'dumb waiter', pardon the pun! This McDonald's thing has brought us a lot of imbecilic product warning labels. Can someone also please identify a news outlet free of bias? There are none. Some may be better than others, but they ALL have an agenda, hidden or exposed. I love Fox news, I also watch plenty of CNN and MSNBC. I watch ABC news daily, McNeil Lehrer news hours, sometimes BBC on cable, watch Sam Donaldson on Sunday along with Tim Russert on NBC, read US News and World Report, The Weekly Standard, The NY Times, Wall St. Journal, Richmond Times-Dispatch, sometimes the Washington Times, listen to Limbaugh at lunch, and Public Radio's All Things Considered in the morning and in the evening. This is an honest list and I think it reflects a pretty wide portion of the news outlet spectrum. Should I add any?

Posted on Mon Jan 14 17:05:33 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-97-175.maine.rr.com (24.198.97.175)

MattK

Far be it for me to question someone who gets their news from such "fair and balanced" resources as Rupert Murdoch's crew, however, as much as everyone likes to goof on the old man (not a woman as Rupert's bunch certainly called it), who received third degree burns from a cup of McDonald's coffee, I've always been left wondering...

Why the hell is anyone serving coffee capable of giving a person third degree burns? If you stick your hand under the average faucet, running at a max of 130 degrees, it takes more than 30 seconds of non-stop exposure to get a third-degree burn. At 160, it takes about a second.

Most of us have only suffered second-degree burns - the red welts that blister and hurt like mad. Third degree burns may not hurt as much initially, but are more dangerous because of secondary infection, loss of circulation due to nerve damage (the heat kills the nerve).

Considering the complications such problems can visit on the elderly, even at their own life, I've always found those who use the McD's coffee case as an example of "lawyers out of control" to be somewhat myopic and more interested in their political agenda than the facts.

I wonder if Mr. Tull would object to me dropping a bowl of piping hot, 160 degree soup in his lap sometime? I'm sure the resulting third degree burns and damage to his privates would be forgiven with a simple "I'm sorry" and a free Happy Meal next time he drops by for a visit.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 16:36:14 CET 2002 from (66.200.102.18)

JTUll fan

Lil-an article I read on the Fox News website said something to the effect that he didn't so much as choke but gagged on it causing this to happen then that to happen which then caused this to happen thereby causing a drop in the heartrate which caused the earth's gravitational field to increase causing him to land on his head. Happens all the time. Quite normal. Perhaps he should sue the Pretzel Company just like that lady did with the McDonalds coffee. This could be an opportunity to publicize the need to properly chew your food.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 15:50:19 CET 2002 from (205.211.160.1)

jerry.tenenbaum

C'mon. You know how he solved his problem. He used "Pretzel Logic.".

Posted on Mon Jan 14 15:46:29 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Congratulations Crabgrass! I guess that any offers the rest of us receive from now on are total scams, eh?

Posted on Mon Jan 14 14:18:24 CET 2002 from grmn-105ppp126.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.126)

Diamond Lil

I have a question (totally un-Band related..unless you count the fact that I'm listening to "Jubilation" as I write this). I've read all I could find about Bush and the "pretzel incident".. and nowhere did I read anything about 'how' he stopped choking. I mean... Anyone with any medical background knows that if someone is truly choking and loses conciousness... something is lodged in the windpipe.It takes the heimlich..or some kind of force to unlodge whatever's in there. Did his falling off the couch unlodge this pretzel? I doubt it. Did I miss more to this story.. and if so.. could someone fill me in? Thanks.

Jan.. I think your mail may be down again. I hope you get it up again soon. Hug.

Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 14:17:46 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp68713.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.186.78)

brown eyed girl

JAN: Many thanks for posting a list of albums with Band cover versions.......I lost serious interest in Joe Cocker after SHEFFIELD STEEL......not in his very soulful voice but in the material he chose to record......but his version of Robbie's OUT OF THE BLUE.......is very heartfelt and beau......ti......ful.......from HAVE A LITTLE FAITH.....WITT: My apologies........The only one real BRUUUUUUUUUUCE......is the..........incomparable.......BRUUUUUUUCE LEE!!!! No one will ever come close to his absolute brilliance!

Posted on Mon Jan 14 13:51:02 CET 2002 from spider-tk021.proxy.aol.com (152.163.206.181)

JTULL fan

Pat Brennan: I agree! TWILIGHT: At least Dubya choked in his own living room and not on the Japanese Prime Minister like his dad! Charlie: Ugh! I have no love of tobacco companies and detest their products, but what about Governor 'Squinty Eyes' links to all of HIS big business cash. He's been trying to buy an election here for years now.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 05:32:54 CET 2002 from pm457-43.dialip.mich.net (204.39.227.149)

twilight

Just thinking - one hundred years from now, if the "pretzel incident" will be a significant part of Dubya's presidency. Maybe it wasn't a pretzel at all - there are plenty of conspiricies being hatched at this moment. Just glad he's ok and "back to normal". Have a sunshine day. Whatever happened to Clive Bunker?

Posted on Mon Jan 14 05:03:24 CET 2002 from (66.43.82.136)

Charlie Young

Thanks, Butch, for getting us back to music here.

Is this really the forum for Limbaugh la-la-land drivel like blaming an ex-President for causing his dog to get run over by a car? Every reliable source I've seen says that Clinton was out of the freakin' country at the time! Try reading "The Way Things Aren't," a fine book distributed by the noted publisher W.W. Norton in 1995, detailing dozens of instances of wrong information and apparent lies that the mysteriously popular, porcine purveyor of political platitudes Rush Limbaugh has spouted over the years on his endlessly moronic radio show and short-lived foray into television.

Speaking of music and politics: Friday night I attended a fine solo concert by Virginia's own Bruce Hornsby in honor of the newly-elected Governor Mark Warner. After eight years of Big Tobacco puppet governors, we finally have a breath of fresh air. One of our recent Republican Governors (a native Southern Californian and a guy apparently elected because his daddy was a successful coach of the Washington Redskins) even tried to shovel $160 million dollars of taxpayers' money into an attempt to lure Walt Disney Corporation to open an American History theme park not far from the real development-smothered Manassas Battlefield Park. Fortunately, some major league historians and environmentalists crushed that nonsense. Personally I'd like to see Hornsby as Governor, but he's WAY too hip for the gig...

Posted on Mon Jan 14 04:28:13 CET 2002 from spider-te011.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.176)

butch

just a FYI,,,,,,,

That is Amy Helm whistling Sweet Georgia Brown in the newest Burger King Globetrotters commercial,,,,

pops whistled in Short Fat Fanny,,, & daughter does it in a commercial. The apple doesnt fall far from the tree,,,,

Posted on Mon Jan 14 02:24:48 CET 2002 from dialup-65.57.15.49.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.57.15.49)

Pat Brennan

Politics can be fun actually. JTullfan could stick Robbie Robertson's name in place of Clinton's and make the whole thing sound rather "feudish." Which would make Bush the Levon of the saga. And to think the Band played at Clinton's inaugural!!!

On a related topic, I just saw that horrible man B.B.King singing in a Burger King TV ad. How dare he????

Posted on Mon Jan 14 00:52:23 CET 2002 from spider-wq034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.157)

JTull Fan

Ugh! I've been Piked! Ben, you have every right to choose the heros you want to. However, there comes a time when you need to outgrow them and move on. Clinton was one of the most cynical men ever to occupy higher office in this or any other country. His dog Buddy, who just ran in front of a car to get away from the man, was RENTED for God's sake! He rented a dog to improve his image! This same man lied under oath and has been disbarred. It wasn't about sex. It was the lies. Period. More Clinton cold hearted cynicism? He bulldozed an historical train depot built by freed slaves to make room not for his Presidential library, but merely to IMPROVE THE VIEW from it. This from a self described friend of minorities. Get me a bag so I can get sick in it. It is unfortunate what happened to Enron, and it sounds like some deserve prosecution. However, being as sensitive to witchhunts and allegations as you are, I am sure you want to get all the facts before you group our current President with our most recent former one. I can assure you that if Mr. Lay, I believe his name is, is convicted of a crime, Bush will not grant a pardon in return for contributions as Clinton did in pardoning Mark Rich and many others last January. It is impossible to rise in society and achieve high office without encountering sleazy individuals. It is possible, however, to reject their influence. As of now, there is no evidence that Bush did anything wrong. And, AND, if you are a decent individual you would hope he didn't. Period. Now if you would like a CDR of Catfish Rising I would be happy to send it to you. I can afford it; I never owned stock in Enron.

Posted on Mon Jan 14 00:20:25 CET 2002 from spider-wq034.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.157)

JTull Fan

Brien: Growing up in CT I remenber the Magic Garden Girls on WPIX, channel 11, where I think the show was produced. I showed my wife your post (she grew up watching them in Old Tappan, NJ) and she almost freaked. We were trying to track them down a few months back on the web, ebay, Limewire, etc. Came up with a few song snippets. It would be a blast to see them, but I doubt they had any viewers down this way. Let us know if you go see them and let us know if you have any of the show soundtrack. Would love to trade something for a copy.

Posted on Sun Jan 13 22:22:34 CET 2002 from spider-te063.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.203)

Ben Pike

Just got a boot of The Band's "Royal Albert" show of 71, wondering if PV was there. If this 17 song set list is complete, they didn't do "The Weight!" The sound isn't quite good enough to make this of much value, but it does suggest "Look Out Cleveland" "Strawberry Wine" and "We Can Talk" were great live.

Political dim bulb Tull has, when running out of arguement, insisted I declare "What I am for!" Well, my zonked out on Catfish Rising loving friend, one thing I am for is turnabout as fair play. Let's see, a ten year old S and L beef (where, for those who have bothered to check it out, Clinton didn't do anything but lose some of his own money), that's good for 7 and a half years of abuse, and a fifty million dollar dollar witchhunt that revealed he didn't like to speak honestly about his extra marital sex. He was pursued ruthlessly by Tull's side and the press, most pointedly in the attempts to exploit the fact that a family friend committed suiside.

Now we learn Bush is thick as theives with the most heartless possible corporate criminals, though in a total dishonest public statement(gasp! Presidents lie!) he has tried to distance himself. Sure, they spread some money on the Dems too; but I didn't hear anyone during the Whitewater Scandel talking about others who had REAL S and L skeltons in the closet(their were/are plenty.) as a way of going easier on Clinton. Dragging this out for six years, of course, led to Clinton's shocking lie in the bought and paid for Paula Jones case, for which he has been pettily humiliated by the Supreme Court and the ARK Bar. So what's sutible for Bush? Can we get his cell ready? Or at least stop pretending he's Churchill?

Posted on Sun Jan 13 20:17:36 CET 2002 from 24-196-225-108.charter-georgia.com (24.196.225.108)

Don Pugatch

Since we do not have the luxury of a Barn Burners, Guru or any Band related shows, we have to suffer thru some other forms of live music, like the righteous Buddy and Julie Miller. Boy, talk about talent, Sold out show, we lucked out, got our tickets at the box office before the show, and not being a Steve Forbert fan, we went to get some dinner and came in about 9PM and heard the end of Steve, the crowd liked him and in about an hour Buddy and Julie got on and the playhouse was on fire, Buddy is some talent and what a player and Julie, well since is my first time seeing them, what can I say, she is quite the ....... (fill in the blank) Together, they are trully a wonderful musical duet of two distinct sounds that blend into one great sound. Julie has a talent for adding such a personal touch to the group and her story about meeting Dylan, a classic, to Para Phrase, Bob, please stop mumbling, you have such great words in your songs, don't be embarrased, just enunciate them, can you imagine, telling Bob Dylan this, guess that is Julie.

Posted on Sun Jan 13 19:35:07 CET 2002 from wwwcache.lanl.gov (128.165.156.80)

Kay

The distressed Nigerians have been finding American and Canadian takers for at least a half dozen years. When I worked for the NM attorney general back in the 90s we tried to get restitution for some gullible (and let's face it, greedy) locals but ran up against the near complete absence of international consumer law. So it's suckers beware.. . .

Posted on Sun Jan 13 19:05:15 CET 2002 from spider-wo012.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.22)

Brien Sz

A blast from the past: Anyone remember the tv show "The Magic Garden"? You know, the two hippie girls, puppets and acoustic guitar sing-a-longs. Well for those who remember it as kids or watching their kids watch it - the two women are bringing their act on the road. Their first stop is at the Bergen County Mall, here in New Jersey, Jan. 26th. (516) 367-2100 ext. 8044 for all those interested.

I was lucky enough to see Richard perform in the post RR Band three times and then about 6 or 7 times afterwards, not including solo performances. Some of the greatest events I have ever been too on a personal basis.

Have been listening to NLSC a lot lately. I used to deride this outing years ago. Don't know why now, maybe the sound or style just didn't do it for me like the earlier works. It wasn't until the remasters came out that i really took a shine to this effort. I find myself listening to it more and more and it will accompany me on my long upcoming road trip. And as a side note, I've found myself listening to the Crash Test Dummies more also. They were one of those bands I'd heard years before they put out a radio song and found myself taking a liking to their quirky musical stylings.

Posted on Sun Jan 13 18:25:38 CET 2002 from du-tele3-001.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.1)

Peter Viney

Good to hear that someone else trusts these fine and upstanding Togo and Sierra Leone ex-government ministers. Princess Quitar Spitt, Field Marshall Saveer Kramp and ex-President Richard ‘Dick’ Knopf have promised to cut me in too. Seems that this brother (or maybe it was aunt or grandson) of theirs, who was actually elected God, or maybe it was Minister for Drains of Nigeria, has 3 billion tied up in a Leichenstein account paid in by true believers and also due to huge oil revenues. This was topped up by their rake-off from charity food parcels and the Red Cross. But really it belongs to them. Anyway, as Crabbie says, if you send them all your personal info and some seed money you could be in for either 3 billion (or 30 billion or 300 billion – it was a bit vague).

My latest policy is to clip the most recent 4 or 5 together into one e-mail and send it back to all of them. The scam has been highlighted several times in the UK on TV / newspapers and some people dumb enough to agree to meet these people have been kidnapped and held to ransom.

Posted on Sun Jan 13 18:17:13 CET 2002 from hvc-24-164-174-169.hvc.rr.com (24.164.174.169)

Dennis

As a brief update HI's post the other day regarding the re-opening of Woodstock's Joyous Lake, the link above points to an article in today's Poughkeepsie Journal about the soon-to-be opening...hope to see you 'n yours there in the near future!

If anyone needs directions, etc., please don't hesitate to ask...Dennis

Posted on Sun Jan 13 17:29:10 CET 2002 from spider-tf074.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.209)

Ben Pike

Amanda... being one of the younger sprouts around these parts, I only got to see the original line up one time; I don't mean to rub it in, but it was sweet. And Pat was there somewhere too.

Posted on Sun Jan 13 17:19:22 CET 2002 from 1cust60.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.60)

rollie

Crabbie gets my vote for the Nobel Peace Prize.What a humanitarian!(jesus, how could he fall for that stunt??????)

Posted on Sun Jan 13 16:34:30 CET 2002 from spider-wk033.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.163)

JTull fan

Dave: I wasn't aware of that DVD you mentioned of the Band at the New Orleans Jazz Festival. How did you come upon it?

Posted on Sun Jan 13 16:14:30 CET 2002 from (216.5.93.110)

Jenny T

Re: Catcher in the Rye: When John Cusack turned 25 or so, he told an interviewer he was bummed because he felt he was then too old to play Holden Caulfield if the chance came along. He would have made an excellent HC, don't you think? Way too late now.

Posted on Sun Jan 13 12:20:29 CET 2002 from grmn-105ppp155.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.155)

Diamond Lil

Angela: Very nice to see you here! Rick spoke very fondly of your dad on several occassions. Glad this website brings back some nice memories for you. Welcome!

Nancy: Sigh.. and OK. In the interest of fairness and being a heck-of-a good sport..I'm willing to let you have the Crabster and the loot... but the silly putty and the Dilbert Mug are _not_ up for grabs. Got it? Good! :-)

Have a good day everyone. Huuuuug Jan.

Posted on Sun Jan 13 07:52:56 CET 2002 from i030-232.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.30.232)

Nancy

I don't see why Lil should get the Crabster and all that lovely $1,670,00 just by being cute and funny and reading his message before I did. How about it Crabby??????????

Posted on Sun Jan 13 07:19:28 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

So, Road Songs was a lot like Robbie "visually distracting but musically very good"...thanks Blind Willie, "Blind Willie McTell" is my favorite Band song. "Jericho" is a great record...The Caves of Jericho...Atlantic City...Amazon..and that beautiful piece they put on there with Richard singin'so heartbreakingly.....ahh.

Posted on Sun Jan 13 05:53:42 CET 2002 from hse-toronto-ppp178546.sympatico.ca (64.229.83.135)

Blind Willie

J~T,

The CBC RR Road Songs (see link above) was visually distracting but musically very good.

Posted on Sun Jan 13 05:22:37 CET 2002 from sdn-ap-012neomahp0608.dialsprint.net (63.189.50.100)

Dave Z

Just gotta new PC... switched to Apple... PowerBook G4... anyway, just got done watching my first ever DVD on it... The Band: Live at the New Orleans Jazz Festival... Great stuff!!!!!!! Cool to see Levon playing the bass... and dancing up a storm... as well as Rick... and lots of Garth hornwork... and G-Man, Jim is awesome on that guitar...

Posted on Sun Jan 13 04:29:48 CET 2002 from spider-tm073.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.78)

JTull Fan

Bounce bounce bounce was reading the Jethro tull website at my new gym (Yes, you can now scan the internet while on an excersize bike)and saw that my namesake band will be extensively touring the Southeastern and Western U.S. from April through June. Check out www.jtull.com and go to 2002 concerts if interested. Not many left from that era, guys (Tull's first album came out the same year as Big Pink, so love 'em, hate 'em, or indifferent to 'em, why not go out, buy a ticket, and show some support for some of the remaining 'dinosours', as someone out here once called them.

Posted on Sun Jan 13 04:22:48 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

Does anyone recall how that Robbie Robertson thing filmed last year for the CBC went down with the Canadian public? Is the video available anywhere?

Posted on Sun Jan 13 03:50:18 CET 2002 from 0-1pool23-89.nas31.philadelphia1.pa.us.da.qwest.net (65.129.23.89)

Chris Get Up Jake

Hi all just like to join in and say I was lucky enough to see The Band 8 times in concert 2 with Richard Manuel and Robbie Robertson Ive been to hundreds of concerts but being in the front row of a Band concert was the best Levon and Rick put so much into the show Im fortunate to have some great photos and memorbilia they wii never know how much there music has influenced my life I wish I could say THANKS a true fan

Posted on Sun Jan 13 02:28:29 CET 2002 from cpe00045a97dfcd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.100.0.63)

Angela

I have to say that I'm very happily surprised to see MY DAD Jerry "Ish" Penfound on thiwebsite..it brings back great memories.... Thanks Angela Penfound

Posted on Sun Jan 13 02:05:37 CET 2002 from grmn-189ppp160.dialup.valstar.net (216.37.189.160)

Diamond Lil

Aah Crabgrass.... who woulda thunk that you'd turn out to be the man of my dreams, hm? $1,637,000.83... a big old glob of silly putty... and a Dilbert Mug. What more could a girl ask for? :-)
Loved your post. Thanks for the laugh.

Have a good night everyone.

Posted on Sun Jan 13 00:36:44 CET 2002 from 1cust189.tnt2.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.108.189)

Hi

I was glad to hear someone mention the great Bruce Cockburn....Boss Hogg I'm not so big on.

Posted on Sat Jan 12 23:23:45 CET 2002 from on-tor-blr-ahp-13-69.look.ca (209.161.237.69)

Wittgenstein

As usual, I agree with everything Crabgrass has said.

As usual, I disagree with Brown Eyed Girl. No way Bruce Cockburn is 'Bruuuuuuuce'! No way !! There's only one Bruce that's 'Bruuuuuuuce' and that's Lenny.

Posted on Sat Jan 12 20:33:59 CET 2002 from 1cust52.tnt30.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.78.52)

Crabgrass

J.D. Salinger has said for a long time that he would never sell the rights to his 1951 literary classic "Catcher in the Rye" to Hollywood and I strongly doubt that he has recently changed his mind. As I recall, this stance was the result of permitting an earlier short story to be dramatized on the screen which greatly displeased the writer. Salinger even had the cover illustration depicting Holden Caulfield carrying a suitcase which appeared on the original Signet paperback edition replaced on future paperbacks with a cover simply bearing the title and author's name in order to make a statement that his work of art should exist solely as words on paper.

GOOD NEWS!! Yesterday, I received a personal check in the amount of $1,637,000.83 from Prince Mbutu Mtombe of Nigeria (the first of 3 such checks that will be arriving over the next several weeks representing 25% of a fortune frozen in Swiss bank accounts after the tragic kidnapping and murder of the Prince's uncle, an international diplomat). Fortunately, I was able to aid the Prince in his effort to retrieve the funds by sending him $1200 along with the ID and PIN numbers of several of my credit card, savings, and checking accounts - the $1200 was needed to pay legal fees to a team of Swiss lawyers involved in cutting through international red tape regarding the monetary assets.

Anyway, I wish you all could have been there yesterday morning when I burst into my boss' private office waving the check and told him in no uncertain terms that he could GO TO HELL!! (He was right in the middle of an important conference call. Ha, ha, ha!!) I then rushed out after grabbing a few mementoes from my desk (my 1 lb. glob of Silly Putty, my Dilbert mug, and my framed photo of Robbie Robertson), deposited the check at my ATM, wired an additional $875 to Prince Mtombe (a standard processing fee required in order for the World Bank to validate the cashing of my first check) and went out for a few drinks before returning home , rolling a few jays, and crashing out for the remainder of the day.

As soon as the check clears in a few days I'm off to the Caribbean for an extended vacation!!

Posted on Sat Jan 12 20:23:29 CET 2002 from ppp435.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.6.119)

paul godfrey

Brown Eyed Girl. Email me! paulg

Posted on Sat Jan 12 18:37:43 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

Did everyone see the new concert date for Levon Helm and The Cate Brothers Band on April 13?? If you are dying to see Levon and want to have a little Spring vacation...this will be perfect! Batesville is about 35 miles from one of my favorite places on earth...Mountain View. You can visit the Ozark Folk Center, Blanchard Springs Caverns and the famous White River. Plus you will be surrounded by the sheer natural beauty of the Ozarks... and dine on the best catfish in the world!! There are several motels, cabins, campgrounds and a Lodge at The Ozark Folk Center...so reasonably priced...you'll faint. Batesville has lots of places to stay also. I am so excited..I'll definitely be there..Brown Eyed Girl... Road Warriors...think you can take a little Spring Break at that time...you won't be disappointed. I'm sorry if I sound like a travel guide...Levon Helm and the Ozark Mountains...too good to be true!!

Posted on Sat Jan 12 18:24:46 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp69860.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.190.209)

brown eyed girl

It was great to see COLIN LINDEN the other night on a BRUUUUUUCE COCKBURN special......For those of you who know LINDEN please tell him one of the best live shows I EVER attended was the RICK DANKO CELEBRATION featuring THE CROWMATIX............(GARTH was not present to make the evening even extra special) very tight and talented musicians.........and STEPHEN FEARING........YOU ARE SO GOOD YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT here in town......You could see by the manner in which LINDEN played and sang......how much he LOVED THE BAND'S music and how much he LOVED RICK ESPECIALLY....(There were times when I felt he had a direct line to RICK that night)......and how GIFTED a musician he is in his own right!!.....LINDEN will be producing Cockburn's latest recording as well......

Also I have to really respect Bruuuuuce for choosing not to play in the States for the first six years because he wanted to get better as a player......not bigger.......now NEIL YOUNG AND JONI MITCHELL did leave for the States.......different personalities and different goals at the time.......I was too young to see them perform at Yorkville's coffee houses......BRUUUUUUCE WAS ALWAYS SPIRITUAL and very much a loner......In any case......unfortunately there wasn't any mention of THE BAND in the documentary......It would have been really interesting to hear a Canadian musician's musician......reflect on THE BAND and their legacy...............I used to see Bruuuuuce hang at The Metropolitan above Bloor Street.....but as The Hawk sings......DAYS GONE BY.......

Well although I didn't have the patience one night to bid for a poster on Robbie's second solo recording.....:-((.......It would have looked great in my classroom beside the Marley and Dylan posters......I did manage to get on Ebay a BIG PINK T-SHIRT and THE BAND BUTTONS and the TIME MAG from 1970 featuring THE BAND........I missed out on MARLEY'S CATCH A FIRE AD by 50 cents because I was at work and simply forgot.......Now......this particular Ad......would not be appropriate in my classroom.......but then again.....some of the parents of my students.......could really relate to the poster........LOL.........but I still can't believe how I blew that one!

Posted on Sat Jan 12 17:55:07 CET 2002 from dialup-65.56.140.23.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.56.140.23)

Pat Brennan

Check the above website for a short but very interesting review of one of Holden's faves, the Last Waltz.

Posted on Sat Jan 12 15:06:35 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tj021.proxy.aol.com (64.12.106.26)

JTull fan

Watkins Glen torture: My boss was in high school at the time of Watkins Glen and attended with several friends. Few days go by that he fails to remind me. Like Amanda,I was too young at the time, having been born in 1969. Fortunately I got to see the 90's version of the Band some dozen plus times; unfortunately I did not get to see anyone flash their breasts (Amanda!). In New Britain, CT, there was a club the Band played at numerous times that adjoined a strip bar called Molly Malones. There was an unmarked door between the two clubs in the back where you could go back and forth while waiting for the show to start, and Rick used to joke that that was the reason the Band always came on late; they lost track of time! I don't THINK I ever saw him at Molly's in reality, but the fact that he was aware of it....uh oh, I guess I just incriminated myself.

Posted on Sat Jan 12 14:23:43 CET 2002 from stargate-36-71.salzburg-online.at (213.153.36.71)

Luke W.

Amanda, you're absolutely right. Although I have never heard anything from the Watkins Glen concert, I am fascinated by it. It's true: the less you know about something, the better you think of it...

The Band must have been a great live act. I was born far too late (1987). I even was to young to see the "new" Band perform in the 90ies. And it's such a pity Levon & the Barn Burners or Garth never (?) come to tour in Europe. I would be there!

...what I think is rather strange, is that it is rather easy to get bootlegs from concerts like Hollywood Bowl or Roosevelt Stadium, but no one seems to have the Watkins Glen concert. I am pretty sure it must be out there - someone from those 700.000 lucky people, who were there, must have been able to tape it ;-)

btw...Does something like a "The Band tree" exist. I mean like dylantree.com. This works so well and I wonder if there is something similar for The Band boots?

Luke

I hope talking about bootlegs in the guestbook is ok, because this is the "official" site...

Posted on Sat Jan 12 13:20:15 CET 2002 from grmn-105ppp208.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.208)

Diamond Lil

Bashful Bill: (Hi!)..Thanks for your message. I mailed you back from my other e-mail account but I don't know if you received it or not. Appreciate your offer. Thanks.

Someone( I believe it was "HI") mentioned hearing ads for Joyous Lake on the radio the other day..and now I've been hearing them too. Maybe it's just a matter of time before Levon and Garth will be filling the air with music there again. I sure hope so!

have a good day everyone. Klem Jan :-)

Posted on Sat Jan 12 12:53:55 CET 2002 from du-tele3-153.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.153)

Peter Viney

Take a look at Jim Kelton’s excellent piece from ‘Blues Revue’ – ‘Save the Last Waltz for Sonny Boy.’ (See “What’s New”). Jim Kelton adds a couple of Levon & The Hawks stage cover versions that I didn’t know about. Ray Charles’s ‘Hard times (Nobody knows better than I) and T-Bone Walker’s “Stormy Monday Blues.’ I don’t think these are on tapes – though both were later recorded in 1976 and appear on the out-takes from the ‘No Reason To Cry’ sessions, released on bootleg as ‘Happy happy birthday Eric Clapton’. On this, Van Morrison sings Stormy Monday and Rick Danko sings Hard Times, and Levon, Richard and Garth were also part of the jam session. On the subject of Levon & the Hawks, when we discussed this before no one had tracked the original version of ‘A Sweeter Girl Than You’. Does Mr Kelton know?

My completism couldn’t resist picking up the remastered ‘Greatest Hits’ when I saw it reduced from £16.99 to £7.99 the other day. OK, I have every track, and I could easily compile it on CDR, but at that price it was such a giveaway, and I like the cover, and it’ll be useful in the car … anyway, Rob Bowman’s liner notes are excellent and add a few interesting little bits.

The Nigerians are busy with the same old story. It’s difficult to launder £30 million more than three or four times a week in my experience.

Posted on Sat Jan 12 00:48:57 CET 2002 from syr-24-169-66-92.twcny.rr.com (24.169.66.92)

Bashful Bill

Lil-I can't make any promises, but I'll look around town here for that mag, there were a lot of them. If I find one, I'll deliver it to the next one of those shows which we infrequently get to.Couldn't get thru to your email, your spamguard works reeeally good.

Posted on Sat Jan 12 00:47:13 CET 2002 from h24-78-176-51.vn.shawcable.net (24.78.176.51)

brooke colby

as a part-time short film writer, producer,actor, i have to thank you for "sweet fire of love". i get more inspiration from that song than youcan imagine. its o.k. to be a dreamer and have dillusions of grandeur. sometimes dreams do come true. yours truly brooke.

Posted on Fri Jan 11 23:23:58 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

I was at The Band usenet site and noticed someone mentioned Pat Brennan's article on Watkins Glen. Pat's article is great...detailing how only 3 pieces of material were actually from the Watkin's Glen performance. With all the time and effort it took Pat to investigate and write that article...the line that really stung me was..."I was one of the lucky 750,000 people who attended Watkins Glen, and I was a committed enough Band fan that I made my way up to the front of the stage for their part of the show." I love that line...not because I like to stand at the stage and toss my panties or flash my breasts...I love that line because I can clearly imagine what an experience that must have been. The only sad part about being a Band fan, for me, is the ache in my heart when I think of the reality that I NEVER got to see The Band live and I NEVER will. I may have every CD, video, picture, magazine cover, etc.,but to see the Band and hear the music in all their LIVE glory must have been INCREDIBLE. I was born in 1967 and was not exactly of age to travel around the country for a Band show...if I had been born 10 years earlier...nothing could have kept me away. I KNOW some of you folks got to see some great shows...I wish you would write about that sometime...it is really so fascinating. Watkins Glen and The Festival Express Tour are two of the hardest shows to get any info on, maybe that is why they are so intriguing. Anyway...I just wanted to put that out there in case anyone feels like sharing with some of us that aren't so fortunate (Band wise). I know a regular poster with the initials TL who must have some amazing live performance stories. One more thing before I depart...if you have even the smallest chance of going to see Garth and Levon live....GO!!! I saw Levon with the BBs once and I got a good dose of the magic. Unfortunately now....I am getting old and I have many personal responsibilities, but I WILL get to another Levon show (hopefully with Garth) in the future...and I WILL be at the front of the stage...I hope to see ya'll there!!

Posted on Fri Jan 11 23:12:51 CET 2002 from cc5414-a.hnglo1.ov.nl.home.com (212.120.101.7)

not thanksgiving......but anyway

Rick Danko
Levon Helm
Garth Hudson
Richard Manuel
Robbie Robertson

you didn't alter the world,
but you reached me.

thank you!

Posted on Fri Jan 11 21:18:07 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Franko: brilliant! Pat: I think you're being unfair to Holden; his tastes changed over the years, as happens to all of us. I've lost track of him since he retired from the insurance business, but I know he came to enjoy movies once he realised that not everything's black and white.

Posted on Fri Jan 11 21:02:29 CET 2002 from grmn-105ppp230.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.230)

Diamond Lil

Wonderful new article in today's "what's new"....absolutely _love_ the drawing. Jan.. do you know if copies of that are available for purchase?

Aah..so it seems some guys in here have the Pinocchio spam-mail complex today, hm? Always read the fine (but I didnt realize it actually said _nose_) print :-)

Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Fri Jan 11 20:46:17 CET 2002 from dv007s40.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.40.7)

Ray Pence

JTull fan on the Northern Lights album: I agree. It was one of the first Band albums I bought, in 1978, and I still return to it often. One of the reasons I like it is sentimentality, but also because I never compare it to earlier or later works, just like I try not to expect myself or others to be like they were in the past. But what I really like are: Richard's voice on everything, Robbie's guitar on Forbidden Fruit, Garth's keyboards, Rick on ice fishing and cattle stampedes, Levon singing "you're gonna find my ass across that borderline" and "loved ones forsaken they didn't give a damn," the list goes on...not a guilty pleasure at all, that record, but clearly one of the best of the 70s by any group!

Posted on Fri Jan 11 20:37:39 CET 2002 from dv007s40.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.40.7)

Ray Pence

I was glad to hear that the new releases will be coming out on Rhino. The history with Capitol, before and after the original lineup's breakup, is patchy at best, and even the latest reissues have their flaws. The 1997 Rhino rerelease of "Superfly" is fantastic, and the company's good job on Curtis Mayfield, who has strong Band ties, bodes well. Rhino strikes me as an all around interesting and conscientious company for true music lovers and there surely will be differences in how they handle the Band, compared with Capitol. Let's hope those differences will be positive and result in product that will be worthy of die-hard Band fans and newcomers alike.

Posted on Fri Jan 11 18:58:05 CET 2002 from dialup-63.215.114.143.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.114.143)

Pat Brennan

franko, Holden hates The Last Waltz, huh? Coal Miner's Daughter? The Right Stuff? Carney?

Posted on Fri Jan 11 18:55:40 CET 2002 from syr-24-169-66-92.twcny.rr.com (24.169.66.92)

Bashful Bill

Franko-lolol! That was great!

Posted on Fri Jan 11 18:17:25 CET 2002 from (63.66.135.217)

JTull Fan

Last time I received an email from Nigeria I told them how flattered and thankful I was for their interest and gave them a request that they fund a massive tropical beach resort in which I would then live on premises and manage for them but they never responded back. Perhaps because I asked for the money up front. :( NORTHERN LIGHTS SOUTHERN CROSS: I think this fine album gets a poor rap out here. Granted, nothing is the Pink or Brown album but what's the big deal? NLSC has excellent vocals, musicianship, and production values. Interestingly, I find Rags and Bones very simialr to the Steely Dan sound of the same era, particularly Pretzel Logic. 'I'd love to tour the Southland in a traveling minstrel show....' Could you imagine how great the Band could cover that song with Levon on voccals?

Posted on Fri Jan 11 17:53:35 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-tc053.proxy.aol.com (64.12.105.173)

franko

Any GBers planning to go to Harper's Ferry this month to see the BB's and Virgil Cain?

I made the mistake of ordering that **** stuff from Europe, not realizing that my results would be in cm's, not inches. I got taken.

The first Band/ Catcher in The Rye link shows up on page one, when Holden describes his brother this way "He's in Hollywood... he just got a jaguar...he's got a lot of dough, now. He didn't use to. He used to be just a regular writer...he wrote this terrific book of short stories...now he's out in Hollywood...being a prostitute...If there is one thing I hate, it's the movies. Don't even mention them to me."

Posted on Fri Jan 11 17:34:14 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Rhino has done an excellent job with the DVD versions of the Classic Album series (which includes "The Band"). I recently picked up the Rhino/WEA DVD-audio version of "Workingman's Dead" and it sounds great. Rhino has also released a DVD-audio version of the Dead's "American Beauty".

Posted on Fri Jan 11 17:06:20 CET 2002 from dialup-65.56.142.202.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.56.142.202)

Pat Brennan

Jan, do you mean to tell me that my ***** won't be, uhhhhh, adding some, errrr, girth? Maybe I can get my money back.

Posted on Fri Jan 11 17:01:44 CET 2002 from dialup-65.56.142.202.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.56.142.202)

Pat Brennan

David Powell is most likely correct in his interp of Rhino's site, although Rhino is releasing material--including DVD's-- from a number of companies. Perhaps as we get closer to the release date, we'll hear more.

I'd like to direct everyone to the new article posted by Jan on The Last Waltz.

Posted on Fri Jan 11 16:17:05 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Regarding the upcoming Last Waltz reissues -- There seems to be some confusion about this, but Rhino's website shows that their April 30 release of The Last Waltz is a DVD audio version. I may be mistaken, but isn't this just an improved resolution & surround sound version of the soundtrack and not the theatrical video of the concert? Rhino is now the subsidiary that is handling the CD reissues for the Warner Bros. archives, and WB owns the rights to The Last Waltz soundtrack. I was under the impression that MGM/UA was going to be releasing the upcoming DVD version of the Scorsese film of the concert. Are we going to end up with two new audio versions of the concert, in addition to the video?

Posted on Fri Jan 11 15:41:05 CET 2002 from hoiberg.hiof.no (158.36.51.55)

jh

Susan,

Unfortunately, anyone leaving her/his e-mail address on the net is likely to be a target for spam-mail. Too bad these idiots (yes, idiots, I mean... "hidden Nigerian treasures"?, "make a million bucks in two weeks"?, "add 5 inches to your *****"?) have started copying e-mail addresses from this guestbook, too.

There are a few ways to fight this:

• You may install a spam-filter that automatically removes mail from known spammers and mail servers that can't be verified. They did this at my workplace a little while ago, and it works very well. A little too well, actually, 'cause people have been having problems getting regular e-mail through to me, too.
• If you leave your e-mail address somewhere on the net, add something to it that makes it invalid and stops automatic mass-mail programs from using it, e.g. "jan.hoiberg@NOSPAM.hiof.no".
• Don't leave your e-mail address on the net. Use a fake address when asked to enter one.
  

Posted on Fri Jan 11 15:11:59 CET 2002 from stx32.library.uiuc.edu (130.126.32.133)

Susan

Are the posters to this list more gullible? It seems like a fairly intelligent bunch to me, but the spammers apparently think there's something to gain here. Ever since I posted to the GB I've been the recipient of a variety of tempting financial opportunities from various African nationals who have come into possession of illicet cash and from pharmceutical firms who have developed the cure for acne and want my help in bringing it to market. I don't have much of a net presence except for this list. Since it's a U address with fairly good filters in place and I read mail to this address on the server I've never worried much about spam, etc. Whoever composes and sends these things surely is wasting their time. Would anyone respond?

Band content: I think I've converted my 16 year old nephew. He played his Staind cd for me this summer. I was appalled, so I made up a Band sampler cd and sent it to him. His father says it's been played several times. I've heard no direct comment, but I'm hopeful.

Posted on Fri Jan 11 13:40:26 CET 2002 from syr-24-169-66-92.twcny.rr.com (24.169.66.92)

Bashful Bill

Intereseting and very controversial rumor going on in the movie/literery world which is worthy of discussion. Catcher In The Rye may be made into a movie directed by Terrence Malick. The author and director are both talented, reclusive, and eccentric, so may be simpatico. Interesting. Can't think of a Band connection, but there probably is one.

Posted on Fri Jan 11 05:17:18 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

HAPPY BIRTHDAY HAWK! FROM THE HILLS TO THE STILLS AND ON TO THE PILLS.........

Posted on Fri Jan 11 05:04:53 CET 2002 from pm454-19.dialip.mich.net (204.39.226.221)

twilight

Don't recall Carl Radle's death as a suicide - sure the answer is out there. Few degrees separate so many great bands - good to see Delaney & Bonnie mentioned. Delaney recently auctioned off the beautiful rosewood fender telecaster that belonged to George Harrison. You can see the guitar in pictures of the rooftop concert. My thoughts and prayers will be with the folks who are vitims of a more local sort of terrorism - the folks who worked for Enron. Let the weaseling commence.

Posted on Fri Jan 11 02:29:23 CET 2002 from 1cust22.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.22)

rollie

Happy Birthday Hawk! Godfrey beat me to the punch!How is Jack wingate doing? Anybody know?

Posted on Fri Jan 11 00:48:11 CET 2002 from ppp185.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.5.185)

paul godfrey

Happy Birthday Ronnie Hawkins. Yes the Hawk is still rockin' and doing fine. We can look forward to a new CD from him this year and Lord knows what other surprises.

The Hawk was born 2 days after Elvis. It is truly wonderful to see him stand a stage, sing, hear his incredible bands and tell stories. Its true: The Hawk has more lines than a road map. Keep Rockin' & Shine On my friend.

Posted on Fri Jan 11 00:24:32 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-th062.proxy.aol.com (64.12.102.47)

Calvin

I've been trying to get my hands on a Bonnie and Delaney album other than On Tour with Eric Clapton for quite a while, A very, very overlooked dou, albeit with a lot of friends. I seriously doubt JT whether RObby will use any medium to explain away his difficulties with Levon, and to a much lesser extent the others, he seems to have taken the tact of "feud? What Feud?" in every interview I've seen.

Posted on Fri Jan 11 00:09:46 CET 2002 from dialup-65.57.14.240.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.57.14.240)

Pat Brennan

Since Robertson produced the original movie, you would assume he would produce the re-release.

Rhino says it's a four-disc package for the audio release. The Cool Daddy Complete Last Waltz is also a four-disc set, but there's enough dead time between songs to cut that down considerably. No doubt Rhino will also include the studio material which would probably boost it back up to the four discs. So can we assume that the entire night will be released on the audio disc version? That's very appetiseing indeed. Unanswered is how they will deal with the electric hum that forced Garth to re-do all his keybaord parts.

Rhino doesn't give any clues as to exactly how expanded the DVD will be. They do say it will have purely audio files on it, which means you may be able to just buy the DVD and get the entire audio release. It also means that there might not be that much bonus material film-wise. Again, apart from the inclusion of the album on the DVD, all conjecture.

Posted on Thu Jan 10 23:49:41 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Sandy Konifoff confirms that he was on Motel Shot. Referring to first hearing Levon play, he said, "He was so good, I just wanted to put my hand in a toaster or something."

Posted on Thu Jan 10 23:47:14 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

Robbie Robertson is running the ship...Don't know if the other surviving members will even be contributing anything, maybe Garth Hudson will be...I hope so anyway. I think you might find a article on it on The Rolling Stone page on the net..maybe they have one on this site too..I never looked..I hope they do it justice. I hope that Mr. Robertson doesn't spend his time explaining away his recent misfortune concerning the rest of The Band..they will probably avoid everything negative...that would be a good thing. The music is suppose to be expanded to a pretty good degree..more music...less talk...sounds good.

Posted on Thu Jan 10 23:23:57 CET 2002 from dm125.davidson-marketing.com (209.224.210.254)

Tim Kocher

Thanks for the DVD confirmation, j ~t! Any idea who's putting it out? Hope they do a decent job... Tim

Posted on Thu Jan 10 20:33:53 CET 2002 from 1cust240.tnt7.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.112.240)

Hi

For those interested, they were advertising on the radio today a show for later this month at the Joyous Lake....not a group of interest here....yet.

Posted on Thu Jan 10 19:37:19 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

David's absolutely correct on the quality of Motel Shot - a fabulous fabulous record. It sounds to me like Joe Cocker's in there too.

Posted on Thu Jan 10 19:29:16 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

The southern Ontarians among us might be interested to know that Amos Garrett is doing a little "tour" of our region later this month. Here's the text of a news release I just received from Stony Plain publicist Richard Flohill:

"Well, I call him a guitar god - and so did Chet Atkins, who knew these things. As do the likes of Bonnie Raitt, Mark Knopfler, and a few other pretty damn good axe handlers.

"It's Amos Garrett I'm talking about, and this is advance notice that he is doing a mini-tour in Ontario, along with buddies Ken Whiteley on guitar and vocals and laid-back jokes, and bassist Victor Batemen.

"It's an electric acoustic evening of killer playing, dry wit, and the bass-est voice in blues. Needless to say, you oughtta be there - because he doesn't leave his trout stream south of Calgary unless it's frozen over.

"Here's the schedule: Tuesday January 22 - Mermaid Lounge, Hess St., Hamilton / Wednesday January 23 - Hugh's Room, Toronto / Wednesday January 24 - Booomerz, London / Thursday January 25 - Schertzo, Kingston."

Posted on Thu Jan 10 19:16:41 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Amen, thanks Pat for the link to the interview with Bobby Whitlock. It's a shame that Mr. Whitlock's contibutions to Derek & the Dominos often are overlooked as people focus on the guitar interplay between Eric & Duane during the Layla sessions. Just listen to the great Fillmore East live recordings to hear what Bobby Whitlock meant to the Dominos, particularly in the absence of Duane.

Try this at home: Play Sam & Dave's "I Thank You", The Band's "We Can Talk" and Derek & the Dominos' "Why Does Love Have To Be So Sad" back-to-back. Ensemble singing at its best!

The Buckwheat Zydeco cover of "Why Does Love..." that Mr. Whitlock mentioned in the interview features none other than E.C. on lead guitar.

Mr. Whitlock also mentioned the great Delaney & Bonnie album "Motel Shot". Sadly this is yet another example of a classic recording that, outside of Japan, has never been issued on CD. Long before MTV cashed in on the "unplugged" craze, "Motel Shot" set the standards for others to follow. As I recall, among the cast of musicians on this album (that included Mr. Whitlock, Duane Allman, Leon Russell, Jim Keltner, Gram Parsons et. al) was Sandy Konikoff.

Posted on Thu Jan 10 15:50:07 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Thanks to Pat for the link to the Whitlock interview. Fascinating stuff. The guys's from Arkansas, just like you know who.

Posted on Thu Jan 10 14:25:53 CET 2002 from spider-wp074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.201.209)

Brien Sz

One of Rock's classic clubs, The Stone Pony, is in danger of being demolished. An organization has bought the rights to re-develop Asbury Parks ocean front area (it does need it) but they want to revamp the area with condo's. If anyone is interested in voicing support and such, visit www.savethestonepony.com

Posted on Thu Jan 10 11:03:10 CET 2002 from cust163.18.nw.tplus.at (217.76.163.18)

Georg

hi to all music-lovers around the world and a happy new year 2002 !

Posted on Thu Jan 10 06:03:30 CET 2002 from 1cust239.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.239)

rollie

I also seem to recall Bill Graham and Scorcese having a "friendly little chat" on the ballroom floor! I was amazed at how large the veins in Grahams neck seemed to be! I didn't think it was humanly possible!:) Ahh, I'd kill to go back in time!

Posted on Thu Jan 10 05:59:19 CET 2002 from 1cust239.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.239)

rollie

That snakey Carl Radle! I didn't see him hangin with EC at the LW! I must have been off to the side of the stage finishing off my warm milk and Graham crackers! I did see EC and Joni Mitchell at the rehearsals the night before. Jesus H Christmas! That was a great show in and of itself.Where were the mini DAT recorders then and my digital cam corder!!!!!????

Posted on Thu Jan 10 05:17:47 CET 2002 from spider-wo041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.200.36)

Elliot

Love that band and it is too band that the younger generation of americans dont know what real rock and roll is, it is THE BAND!!!

Posted on Thu Jan 10 05:07:17 CET 2002 from spider-loh-tf052.proxy.aol.com (195.93.50.172)

Mr guerilla

Just wanted to wish everyone a happy new year, I have been unable to visit for a while and it gives me so much pleasure to be back in the real world and able to read your posts again. Being the only real Band fan I know you guys are very special to me. I only had 2 cds with me, luckily both doubles the remastered ROA and Aretha's Amazing grace the complete recordings. Man are they two healing albums, I can honestly say that I could not have done it without them. If they ever crack time travel I'm going straight to New York, New Year's eve 1971. I never have and most probably never will meet any of the members of the Band but in my darkest hours they are five of the best friends I have. From what I have learned about them from their music and here, with the tragedies and successes, they sometimes seem to understand when no one else does.

"I'm gonna go down by the water but I ain't gonna jump in no no"

Posted on Thu Jan 10 04:43:24 CET 2002 from ac8bf4cb.ipt.aol.com (172.139.244.203)

J. Patrick Crain

Woohoo! "The Last Waltz" in a 4 disc reissue! What could be gooder? Look right above it on the Rhino release list and see that Little Feat's equally brilliant live album "Waiting For Columbus" is going to be released in a two disc set that, according to the band's web site, will fully restore the integrity of the vinyl (the CD had to cut two numbers and do some cheeseball fade outs here and there to fit the entire concert onto one disc) and add some numbers that didn't make it onto the original release (maybe the live numbers from "Hoy Hoy?")! I don't know which one I anticipate more. I know that April is going to be a fincancially lean month since all of my dough will be going to the coffers at Warner Brothers! But do I mind? Get right out of town!

Posted on Thu Jan 10 04:41:34 CET 2002 from dialup-63.215.118.253.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.118.253)

Pat Brennan

On the first poster advertising The Last Waltz, Carl Radle's name appears as a special guest. He was in Clapton's band at the time. Delaney & Bonnie, Mad Dogs & Englishmen, Clapton's first solo album, Derek, Concert For Bangladesh, Clapton's 70's output. EC fired the whole group in 1979, and Radle was dead by mid-1980. Liver failure, not suicide, although dying of liver failure at his age--one could argue.

Posted on Thu Jan 10 04:41:11 CET 2002 from spider-wn051.proxy.aol.com (205.188.197.171)

Dave ~ (the drummer)

Just returned home from my road trip to Philly & New England. What a BLAST!

Bob Wigo's description of the Barnburners show at The North Star was RIGHT-ON. I've never seen the band play better or tighter. The camaraderie within the band was evident and Levon was high-fiving and hugging the members every chance he got.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Bob Wigo and his friend Carol for making this Pittsburgh boy feel right at home in Philly. Bob, you are very gracious indeed. It was a pleasure to finally meet Donna (from Pa.) and G-Man from Buffalo. Butch...... You da' man.

Posted on Thu Jan 10 04:31:38 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

Speaking of Rhino re-issues. I see a best of THE BLASTERS (The Slash Years) coming out Whoooooooooweeeeeeee.

Posted on Thu Jan 10 04:29:59 CET 2002 from syr-24-169-66-92.twcny.rr.com (24.169.66.92)

Bashful Bill

Actually, I believe Carl Radle took his own life in the early 80's. Not only was he one of the Domino's, he played in Clapton's touring and recording band with Jamie Oldaker, Marcy Levy, et. al throughout the 70's.He also was apparently hangin with Clapton on the night of the LW(just ask Rollie) and was onstage for that fun, sloppy jam right before Don't Do It. Correct me if I'm wrong regarding the cause of his death..

Posted on Thu Jan 10 04:27:57 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

LAWRENCE..........My prediction for 2002 is that you won't see Sam's closed for long. It will be back with son Jason at the HELM.

Posted on Thu Jan 10 03:59:43 CET 2002 from dialup-351.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.95)

Hank

I saw The Bruce Springsteen/E-Street Band DVD last night.......I still don't enjoy Max Weinberg drumming but I HAVE to admit the gig, from MSG, rocked my socks off.......Bruce was bangin' his guitar like RR.....and the jazzy version of The River with sax and accordion reminded me of some other band......that I really love.....

Posted on Thu Jan 10 03:49:06 CET 2002 from parachute3-156-40-62-39.net.nih.gov (156.40.62.39)

Jonathan Katz

Charlie Young - Another performer that has worked with both Levon and Robbie over the last 20 years is John Simon.

Posted on Thu Jan 10 00:38:22 CET 2002 from dialup-63.215.113.50.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (63.215.113.50)

Pat Brennan

I thought Eric was the only member of Derek still on the street, but I'm happy to say Bobby Whitlock seems still seems to be in the game. Check the above site.

Posted on Thu Jan 10 00:28:28 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

Tim, DVD is in the works...new footage, new interviews...you won't have to wait too long..I'm sorry, the release date evades me at this moment.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 23:47:00 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Dave Hopkins noted that Billy Mundi was briefly in Buffalo Springfield before moving on to the Mothers and Rhinoceros. BS&T bassist Jim Fielder was also in the Springfield for awhile, and I think the Mothers too. Anyway, he got into BS&T through having worked briefly in a trio with Al Kooper and ex-Hawk Sandy Konikoff - who also worked with Carl Radle, mentioned here today - in Joe Cocker's Mad Dogs and Englishmen.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 23:23:57 CET 2002 from (12.34.17.194)

Johnny Flippo

Speaking of Rhino Records, their web site lists an April 16 release date for a *4* CD "Last Waltz". Hmmmmmmmmm.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 23:03:07 CET 2002 from du-tele3-155.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.155)

Peter Viney

Sam’s: Another lament from me. I picked up Levon’s ‘Staying together’ OST at Sams at half price. I’d been looking for it for years. Not only that, Levon’s autograph was on the wall beside the browser bin (Sam Yo My Man – Levon, if I remember well). It’s so good to walk into a record store whose stock is not chosen in a faceless office hundreds of miles away, even though Sam’s never looked as neat as HMV or Virgin or Tower.

‘Isis’, the Dylan magazine, passes on tentative rumours of a forthcoming 1966 tour video with the whole songs, not just the bits in ‘Eat the Document.’ Let’s hope this rumour grows and grows until it becomes reality.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 22:47:49 CET 2002 from spider-wl041.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.36)

butch

Sam's on Yonge Street closing ????

DAMN !!!!

i went with Levon & The Band when his book "This Wheel's on Fire " went on sale,,,,,,, Levon was doing publicity for the book & did a HUGE signing @ Sams

the crowd wound all the way down the block , outside,,, & in the store,, the line snaked all the way around that huge store,,,

it was great,, i have pix somewhere of that day,,,

ya really got to see the place of respect Canada & esp Toronto held Levon & the fellas,,,

farewell to Sams ,,,,, a piece of history,,,,

Posted on Wed Jan 9 22:44:13 CET 2002 from dm125.davidson-marketing.com (209.224.210.254)

Tim Kocher

Hi all,

I'm an occasional lurker here, I've been starting to hear rumors of a new remastered DVD release of TLW - can anyone back this up or deny it? I have yet to see the film, and am waiting to see a decent presentation of it - I was going to try to trade for a dub of the widescreen h-fi version from TNT, but if a DVD is really coming I'll wait. Thanks in advance for any info, sorry if this is an old shoe of a topic.

Tim

Posted on Wed Jan 9 22:31:16 CET 2002 from spider-wk032.proxy.aol.com (205.188.198.162)

Bayou Sam

Pat Brennan = thanks for the Jim Gordon info. What a sad story. I thought he had written the piano part on Layla, but I wasn't sure - did he play the piano on the recording? That piano part is such a nice melody to come from a mind that had all that bad stuff going on in it. The man had such great feeling, and time in his drumming. Sad story.

Thinking about the Dominos - Carl Radle died from some form of cancer, if I remember correctly. We know what happened to Duane Allmann. Eric himself could have been lost to a host of addictions. What about Bobby Whitlock? I never thought about the amount of tragety in that band - and they produced one of the classic rock albums of all time.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 20:03:33 CET 2002 from bcefire2.cibcwg.com (207.61.221.19)

Lawrence Brissenden

Goodbye, Sam the Record Man.

Toronto’s historic Yonge St. music retail landmark is set to close forever in the next few days. I can imagine Robbie, Levon, Rick, Richard and Garth wandering around the store in the early 1960s checking for their own early 45 rpms or new releases (Who is this Dylan guy anyway? This is music for college students!). They probably dreamed about the day when one of their vinyl albums was going to be racked at the front of the store.

On my lunch break today, I paid my final visit to Sam’s. Everything was 50% off. I picked up the last Band CD sold in the store (or so I was told): a "Cahoots" remaster. I also got a European Dylan “Things Have Changed” maxi-single with 3 extra tracks. There’s probably a lot more good stuff left but I ran out of time.

As a Big Pink / Brown album diehard fan, now that I’ve got Cahoots, should I actually open it?

Posted on Wed Jan 9 19:50:05 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Thanks Bumbles for the correction -- I never could keep any of those Stones songs about mothers straight. Although the sight of two noted drummers in drag, Charlie Watts & Billy Mundi, is quite amusing, Band fans know of one great drummer who would never be caught dead wearing a dress. A pair of comfortable shoes, maybe. Then again, Charlie & Billy were certainly no competition for Tony Curtis & Jack Lemmon. I wonder if there's any truth to the rumor that Mick borrowed his outfit from David Bowie?

Pat: Another Last Waltz connection is that Eric Clapton, then a member of Cream, did some humourous voice-overs on "We're Only In It For The Money".

Posted on Wed Jan 9 19:35:06 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

Eric Clapton has graciously consented to speak to you in several critical areas..."We're Only In It For The Money"

Posted on Wed Jan 9 19:22:37 CET 2002 from du74-4.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.4.74)

Ilkka

Good to see John Sebastian's 'Welcome Back' album mentioned here. I bought the good ol' vinyl LP before Christmas in a record store with a beautiful name: July Morning Records. 'I Needed Her Most When I Told Her To Go' could have been a Band song. Good harmonica playing, too.

Return of some very well known gb names (no one mentioned, no one forgotten) makes me wait for another terrific gb year!

Posted on Wed Jan 9 18:53:25 CET 2002 from dialup-209.244.64.49.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (209.244.64.49)

Pat Brennan

How about another connection between "We're Only In It For The Money" and The Last Waltz?

Jim Gordon was a paranoid schizophrenic who exacerbated his condition with drugs and booze. According to Bonnie Bramlett, Gordon also talked to himself an uncomfortable ammount of time. According to his own testimony in his murder trial, Gordon heard voices in his head for as long as he could remember. One of the voices made a deal with him: if he killed his mother, the voice would leave. Gordon murdered his mother with a hammer, but after a short time, the voice returned. I believe he got life and is serving his sentence in California. I also recall that he was in the same prison for a short time with Buddy Miles who ran afoul of the law but not to Gordon's degree.

Gordon wrote the piano coda to Layla in the key of C, but it appears to be in C Sharp on the album, a situation which developed when the master was slowly sped up to impart more energy to the track. I believe one of Gordon's last sessions was "Rikki Dont Lose That Number" for Steely Dan. For all his personal problems, Gordon was a force on drums. Check out "Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad" from the live Derek collection.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 18:47:11 CET 2002 from as3-1-11.hip.berkeley.edu (136.152.193.189)

Dave Hopkins

One other Billy Mundi tidbit to add to David Powell's informative post: Mundi was very briefly the drummer for Buffalo Springfield for a few weeks in 1966 before being replaced by Dewey Martin.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 18:43:22 CET 2002 from 66-106-4-126.customer.algx.net (66.106.4.126)

MattK

Carmen, "Gangs of NY" is scored by the legendary Elmer Bernstein (no relation to Leonard). Elmer is the elder statesman of Hollywood soundtracks, having scored hundreds of films and TV shows, including Cecil B. Demille's "The Ten Commandments," John Sturges' "The Magnificent Seven," (the theme from which was used in the old Marlboro commercials).

Check out his groovy jazz score for Otto Preminger's "The Man With the Golden Arm," a Sinatra vehicle from the 1950s that featured Frank as a gifted, heroin-addcted drummer (I believe Shorty Rogers performed the score in the film - either way, it's a killer example of some great West Coast, aka, "cool" jazz of the 1950s).

Bernstein also wrote the scores for such classics as "To Kill a Mockingbird," "HUD," and "The Great Escape."

Scorcese and RR used some previously written music by Elmer in the "Color of Money." Scorsese tapped Elmer for Cape Fear to rescore and arrange Bernard Herrmann's score for the 1962 original film. Elmer also wrote the score for Scorese's "Age of Innocence."

His style is somewhat melodramatic, though his best-known work belies a strong Aron Copeland influence (Elmer wrote the theme song to the Big Valley, the National Geographic theme, and the afore mentioned Marlboro/Magnificent Seven theme.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 18:16:54 CET 2002 from spider-te051.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.196)

Bayou Sam

I heard "Horse To Water" on FUV radio - this is George Harrisons last recording for the Jools Holland album. It's pretty good. Sounds like something off of Cloud Nine. George is in fine form on the song.

I was up in the attic last night playing my drums. I put on Eric Clapton's Rainbow Concert at high volume, and drummed with it. I got to thinking about Jim Gordon. He was really a hell of a drummer, and I believe he co-wrote Layla. I remember an article in Rolling Stone some years ago that said he had been locked up for killing his mother with a hammer. It's a horrible story. Do any of you know the story, and what has become of Jim Gordon? I would guess that he's been locked up for life.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 17:57:38 CET 2002 from pool-141-153-196-13.mad.east.verizon.net (141.153.196.13)

Bumbles

DAVID POWELL: That Stones-in-drag picture sleeve was for "Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby (Standing in the Shadows)."

Posted on Wed Jan 9 17:15:15 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Mattk correctly answered my Billy Mundi trivia question. Mr. Mundi's tenure with the Mothers was brief, beginning with their second album "Absolutely Free". On the next album, "We're Only In It For The Money" (released in 1968), Mr. Mundi, along with Frank Zappa & the rest of the Mothers posed in drag. On the album's gate-fold cover, Mr. Mundi is pictured on the back, between Frank Zappa and Bunk Gardner, wearing a dress, hair-in-a-bun wig, and sporting his distinctive, sculptured beard.

As I recall, the Rolling Stones had previously posed in drag in a photo used in conjunction for the release of their single, "Mother's Little Helper". Unlike the Stones in drag, there's no effete factor when in came to the Mothers, who seem to take pride in being the ugliest bunch of mugs in music. The hilarious sight of the hirsute Mothers, wearing dresses, in not a pretty one, to say the least.

Mr. Mundi left the Mothers in 1968, during the recording of "Uncle Meat", and joined the group Rhinoceros. He left that group the following year and began concentrating on extensive session work, where he often crossed paths with various members of The Band and John Simon. He appeared on John & Beverley Martin's "Stormbringer" album (along with Levon & John Simon), Jackie Lomax's "Three" (along with Levon, Rick & John Simon), and "Bobby Charles" (along with Rick, Levon, Garth & Richard).

In 1972, Mr. Mundi played on Borderline's excellent album, "Sweet Dreams and Quiet Desires". As Jan mentioned here last month, Richard and Garth also appeared on this album, under the respective pseudonyms of Dick Handle and Campo Malaqua. Mr. Mundi sesssion work is quite impressive. He also played with Dylan on "New Morning", on John Simon's "Journey", Geoff & Maria Muldaur's "Sweet Potatoes" and "Pottery Pie", and Todd Rundgren's "Something/Anything", just to name a few. Prior to joining the Mothers, he played on sessions for Tim Buckley, Fred Neil and the Stone Poneys, a group that featured a young lady by the name of Linda Ronstadt.

On another thread here, regarding the talented John Sebastian -- When Mr. Sebastian began his solo career, it seems he was signed to two different labels, MGM and Reprise. The release of his first solo album, "John B. Sebastian", was somewhat hindered by the legal dispute that followed. It also resulted in confusing circumstance in which Mr. Sebastian's debut album was released by both labels, Reprise in 1969, and MGM in 1970!

Posted on Wed Jan 9 16:54:14 CET 2002 from (205.245.52.66)

carmen

Martin Scorsese's Gangs of New York is due in July according to USA Today. I wonder if RR is going to be involved. Any news out there?

Posted on Wed Jan 9 16:19:59 CET 2002 from sdn-ar-002insbenp271.dialsprint.net (168.191.108.73)

Sindy

Just ran across this site by accident this morning, but I'm definitly coming back!! In fact, I'm going to post it on my music list to direct others here as well. I really enjoyed the audio clips.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 16:10:22 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Charlie: Ronnie Hawkins has recorded with both, if that counts.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 16:09:52 CET 2002 from pool-141-153-196-13.mad.east.verizon.net (141.153.196.13)

Bumbles

Couldn’t agree more with Charlie Young about Rhino Handmade’s 3-disc John Sebastian set. Well done, much needed, and worth the price for his mysteriously-hard-to-find-on-CD 1st album alone. And listening to it again, I’m still impressed at the way he used the one-shot novelty success of TV theme song “Welcome Back” to make a “real” album, one that includes the incomparable “She’s Funny” (vocal arrangement: Henry Glover, keyboards: Richard Bell).

BTW: Just got an e-mail from Rhino: the Rascals box has shipped.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 11:17:00 CET 2002 from (164.36.141.76)

Henry Tompkins

Islands Advice

Thanks to all who got on my case with regard to this.

I will never forget the sense of disappointment when I first listened to it and I don't think it has been on the turntable these past 15 years: However Mr Viney's "loss-leader" argument, and the completist thing, has swung it - HMV here we come!

Posted on Wed Jan 9 06:16:32 CET 2002 from pool-141-150-94-109.mad.east.verizon.net (141.150.94.109)

Scott

Can't wait to hear the new Gurus cd !! Check out their 2002 show dates on Jim Weider's web site. Next, I hope Levon releases a blues cd. Please !!!!

Posted on Wed Jan 9 06:02:07 CET 2002 from spider-tf014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.197.179)

Max Foster

great, just fininsd reading Wheel's On Fire- got a cryin baby and gotta run, feeel like I have found a community. MAx

Posted on Wed Jan 9 05:41:36 CET 2002 from pm455-45.dialip.mich.net (204.39.227.55)

twilight

listening to the new soundtrack from the movie "i am sam". Some nice covers of Beatles songs. No Harrison covers. Would have loved to hear Richard sing "All Things Must Pass" and "Something". Maybe Rick on "Isn't It A Pity". Came across a great quote the other day. Robert Mitchum " I have two acting styles. With and without a horse." It's January in the midwest. Rest easy all of you good folks.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 04:41:09 CET 2002 from dialup-65.56.135.196.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.56.135.196)

Pat Brennan

Charlie, thanks for the fast ball down the middle: Richard, Rick, and Garth. I know, I know....

I'm assuming you checked out Rhino's upcoming Rascals' box.

Posted on Wed Jan 9 04:19:21 CET 2002 from (66.43.82.136)

Charlie Young

One of the few performers to play with both Robbie and Levon over the last twenty years--John Sebastian--is the artist selected for the latest Rhino Records cleverly named "Handmade Institute of Petromusicology" limited edition multi-disc collection. Titled "Faithful Virtue: The Reprise Recordings," the three-CD set includes a 46 page booklet and a poster. Limited to 3,000 copies, the set includes all of Sebastian's studio and live releases for Reprise Records in the 1970s, plus some rare recordings and several live bonus tracks at the end of the last disc (from a mysteriously unidentified gig).

For me the highlight is the brilliant "Tarzana Kid" album featuring Lowell George, Emmylou Harris and David Grisman, among others. If you ever liked John with the Lovin' Spoonful or any of his solo stuff, it's worth clicking the link above to learn more.

By the way: Bruce Hornsby is the only performer I can think of who has worked with both Levon and Robbie over the last 20 years besides Sebastian. There must be several others. Anyone?

Posted on Wed Jan 9 00:22:49 CET 2002 from proxy.lfpress.com (204.101.153.10)

Mike Nomad

Thnx, Paul Godfrey, for info re Jerry Baird. Do I understand that Jerry's burial was in Brucefield, south of Clinton, Ont.? I reckon the Hawk was bedecked in his raccoon coat, right? Also, out of sheer curiosity, where was reception held?

Posted on Tue Jan 8 23:21:45 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

Bob Wigo...I have been wondering about you...so I was really happy to see your post...the best one in awhile. It sounds like you and everyone else had a wonderful night...you are very lucky...ya' know? I love it when people write from their heart...you certainly did..I really felt everything you described...THANK YOU! I agree with you 100% +.....Levon is an American treasure and he just keeps on rockin' the world! You brightened my day, Mr. Wigo...have a wonderful evening.....

Posted on Tue Jan 8 23:08:04 CET 2002 from ptldme-cmt4-24-31-155-63.maine.rr.com (24.31.155.63)

MattK

DP -

Mundi (along with the other MOI members) is dressed in drag on the (legendary, Sgt.-Pepper's-parodying) cover of "We're Only in It for the Money." The Stones were the first band to appear in drag (as far as I know) on the cover of their first album.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 22:33:49 CET 2002 from ppp603.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.15.33)

paul godfrey

Former Hawk...Jerry Baird was laid to rest today near Clinton Ontario just north of London. The ceremony began with an assemblage of Hawks from "Days Gone By" and Ronnie Hawkins led the singing of the song dedicated to Jerry. Seemed strange but wonderful to hear applause after the song.

Jerry's cousins who all have music degrees did an instrumental version of "The Weight" with a haunting trumpet solo. Jerry died of cancer at age 55 Saturday last.

Said in jest as part of the service: "he loved music, beer and cigarettes" and sadly the latter was his calling card to heaven. At the reception afterward many of the Hawks said hello including Ricky's brother Terry Danko. Buzz Thompson a modern day Hawk and from my hometown of Peterborough Ontario and I had a chance to look back tell some lies and remember seeing Ronnie & The Hawks (The Band) at the old Brock Ballroom in the early 60's.

Jerry Baird may you play those drums and sing with the angels. Now you are in the greatest band of all. Shine On Everybody!

Posted on Tue Jan 8 22:20:04 CET 2002 from grmn-105ppp199.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.199)

Diamond Lil

Jon Lyness: Wonderful photo of Garth and Levon from Tribeca Blues... The show I almost made it to. Sigh. Thanks for sharing.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 22:19:48 CET 2002 from du-tele3-074.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.74)

Peter Viney

Put it this way: the remasters of the brown album, Big Pink, RoA, NLSC are worth far, far more than you paid for them. Islands is worth a bit less than you'll pay, but if it were a new bootleg you'd happily pay twice as much. Been through this process twice - Toshiba remasters and Capitol remasters. Just buy it. Never regretted a Band purchase.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 20:41:43 CET 2002 from du-254-214.mrep.net (208.246.254.214)

Mark Wilkins

Thanks for posting and reminding me of that Great Drives Documentary I worked on. I have found several unpublished images of Levon in my archives I would be willing to share. All of the best for the New Year!

Posted on Tue Jan 8 20:26:48 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

Has anyone heard that Band remake called "The Night They Drove Ol' Deutchland Down"? It has the same melody as "Dixie", but substitutes lyrics like "Patton's Infantry" for "Sherman's Cavalry" and "Dresden" instead of "Richmond".

Posted on Tue Jan 8 19:48:39 CET 2002 from dorms-034-232.bates.edu (134.181.34.232)

john

Henry,

If youve got the other seven, you might as well get the eigth...it's obviously the pre-Last Waltz dud, but it has its merits, such as Richard's soulful "Let The Night Fall" and "Christmas Must Be Tonight". The version of "Twilight" aint bad either. It is a worthwhile buy as the sense of completion of the Band's remasters is somewhat important to you.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 19:43:26 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

Gene: You're getting close. Further clue -- it's a parody of something the Rolling Stones had done earlier.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 19:19:53 CET 2002 from dialin-1203-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.5.187)

Gene

David Powell -

Does it have something to do with Billy Mundi's credit on the Mothers Of Invention album, "We're Only In It For The Money": "Drums, Vocal, Yak and Black Lace Underwear"?

Posted on Tue Jan 8 19:01:16 CET 2002 from (208.218.212.2)

David Powell

A little rock trivia involving Billy Mundi -- In the history of classic album covers, what is Mr. Mundi's dubious distinction?

Regarding the Band's latter albums, "Northern Lights Southern Cross" and "Islands", I've always felt that Garth's intricate layers of keyboards, as well as the vocal performances of Richard, Rick & Levon, helped compensate for any otherwise perceived deficiencies in the material.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 18:57:45 CET 2002 from stargate-42-51.salzburg-online.at (213.153.42.51)

Luke W.

First of all I want to thank all of you who welcomed me with their kind words! :-)

Dexy, yes, she is singing words in the nanana-part. I posted them in my translation below. "Das war ein schlimmer Tag, als in mir eine Welt zerbrach" --}"this was a hard day, when a world broke apart in me"

Luke

Posted on Tue Jan 8 18:47:17 CET 2002 from stcatherines-ppp109153.sympatico.ca (216.209.112.84)

Richard

It wasn't Patty Duke's sister, it was her identical cousin...

Posted on Tue Jan 8 18:38:03 CET 2002 from dialin-1203-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.5.187)

Gene

btw - Johhny Flippo

Nice effort with Patty Duke's 'sister' Cathy, "...but they're cousins, identical cousins..."

Posted on Tue Jan 8 18:25:27 CET 2002 from 01-031.046.popsite.net (64.24.231.31)

Jenny T

Henry: I could live without Islands, except that Georgia on my Mind is beautiful, and I like Levon's singing on Ain't That a Lot of Love. I got it for X-mas, and if you don't think it's too obnoxious to give away presents, I could mail it to you so your collection will be complete. I have only played it once.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 18:22:31 CET 2002 from pool-141-153-196-13.mad.east.verizon.net (141.153.196.13)

Bumbles

Reasons to buy “Islands”? Well, if you have the other remasters, you’re probably something of a completist so it would make sense to have it on CD. Other than that, it helps to think of “Islands” not as a successor to “Big Pink” or “The Band,” but as a great Band studio bootleg that never was: an almost random collection of tracks not up to their standard and not holding together at all, but undeniably the Band. And almost every track showcases at least one member very favorably. Off the top of my head, “Right as Rain” and “Let the Night Fall” are two very affecting Richard Manuel performances---smooth and genuinely soulful, unlike good-idea-that-didn’t-work “Georgia on My Mind,” which like a lot of Richard crowd pleasers just sounds strained and forced. “Knockin’ Lost John” really does bring to mind earlier Band classics, more so than the paint-by-numbers attempts to do the same thing on the wildly overpraised “Northern Lights-Southern Cross.” Even to a non-believer, “Christmas Must Be Tonight” is a classic Rick Danko vocal, straightforward & sincere as only he could be. The title song is a rare Garth showpiece. And “Livin’ in a Dream” would have been a wonderful way for the Band to go out, graceful & idyllic and, fittingly, sung by Levon. You could probably get by with the earlier CD release of this one, though, if you can find it used or marked down. The sound quality isn’t much of an issue and, in a sign of how low the well was by then, there are only two bonus tracks on the remaster: an alternate of “Georgia” (one---or two---too many) and the Band version of “Twilight,” which can’t hold a candle to the definitive version on the 2nd DFA album.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 17:17:39 CET 2002 from (164.36.141.76)

Henry Tompkins

Difficult Choice

Having finally got the financial wherewithall to catch up with the remasters I have to say they are great job of work. However I am baulking at buying "I*****s" which I bought on vinyl at original release. Go on GB-ers, persuade me

Posted on Tue Jan 8 16:35:09 CET 2002 from dv004s69.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.69.4)

Dexy

Did someone post the German lyrics to those Dixie covers? ("What's New?") She seems to be singing words during the nananana part, right?

Posted on Tue Jan 8 15:32:13 CET 2002 from (63.83.246.138)

Tim Witten

Voices from the woods, every color in the spectrum of the soul.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 15:29:28 CET 2002 from rm0001b.studlife.fsu.edu (128.186.193.26)

Adam

I'd like to say welcome to Luke W. and thanks so much for the translation. 14 years old and already kicking it on the Band Guestbook. I look forward to your future posts!

I wonder, is Luke the youngest contributor to this fine forum?

Oh how I fear when the joints become to trips.......

Posted on Tue Jan 8 15:10:55 CET 2002 from dialin-663-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.3.155)

Gene

According to Mick Fleetwood's 1990 autobiography (written with Stephen Davis), "...Helen Mary Boyd was born in Surrey the same year as me [1947]. Her sister Patti, three years older, had a favorite doll called Jenny, and this was the name that struck on the family's younger daughter. Like the Fleetwoods, the Boyds went abroad after the war, and Jenny and her sister were raised in Kenya around the time of the Mau Mau uprisings." Fascinating book (full of drugs, too).

Posted on Tue Jan 8 14:54:43 CET 2002 from (12.34.17.194)

Johnny Flippo

Mick Fleetwood dated Patty *Duke's* sister? You mean Cathy who's been most everywhere? Or perhaps you meant Patty *Boyd's* sister. What do I know. A hot dog makes me lose control too. Peace out.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 14:52:42 CET 2002 from dialin-663-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net (216.179.3.155)

Gene

Jens - I believe that you meant Jenny Boyd (not Duke), sister of Patti Boyd.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 10:20:57 CET 2002 from proxy.newmedia.no (212.71.66.13)

Jens Magnus

How many bass players does it take to replace a light bulb?

None, the pianist kan do it with his left hand!

I recently watched the Mick Fleetwood documentary on tv (two sticks and a drum). He had a lucky break, dating Patty Duke's sister. This immediately put him in contact with Harrison, Clapton etc, and later introduced him to McVie and Mayall. Interesting film. (and a lot of drugs).

I saw Mac in Oslo i '69 featuring genius Peter Green. Not Band-related, but I'm sure someone can come up with a connection. (Harrison?) Interesting band anyway.

The web page (above) is for scandinavians.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 07:25:27 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

J ~t

Yeah, I know...any hat in the world would be too small for Robbie's head...anyway, I just read in the new issue of Rolling Stone that he's composed music for the opening ceremonies of the Olympic Winter Games in Salt Lake City. I forgot to add Rags and Bones to my favorites off Northern Lights.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 07:18:15 CET 2002 from 1cust57.tnt1.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.28.242.57)

Rollie

Crabby , you rotten bugger you!

Posted on Tue Jan 8 06:53:52 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

I always wondered why Robbie wore that dumb lookin' that seemed to be too small for his head. Back then I didn't know he was jewish. Northern Lights was always one of my favorite albums, Hobo Jungle, Jupiter Hollow, wonderful songs. I'm not trying to be rotten by not giving my real e-mail address. There is no other place on the net where people talk about The Band exclusively like this.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 06:18:51 CET 2002 from 3cust32.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.93.32)

Crabgrass

Yeah, I'm amazed that no one seems to have ever mentioned NLSC in the GB before. Talk about oversights!!

Posted on Tue Jan 8 05:36:56 CET 2002 from 1cust208.tnt2.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.25.9.208)

rollie

Right on Bassmanlee!I've seen nary an enthusiastic comment in this guestbook on NLSC.Still one of their best!

Posted on Tue Jan 8 05:10:48 CET 2002 from ip-63-121-116-231.new-castle.de.fcc.net (63.121.116.231)

bassmanlee

Sorry I missed meeting so many of y'all at the North Star on Saturday. Whatta show! Whatta band! Yow! Did get to meet Butch, finally, at least. Hoped to meet more. Next time I'll wear a rose pinned to my empty sleeve...

Up in the back room tonight next to the vinyl bin and the venerable turntable,...hey, Northern Lights Southern Cross is a damn good LP. Reality check, kids. It's 1975. The boys have moved out to California. There is a whole different scene going on out there musically and technically - the multi-track revolution is happening. Nobody does live basic tracks anymore. The loosy-goosy days of Basement Tapes are long gone. Jackson Browne has released Late For The Sky and is working on his studio opus The Pretender. The whole Linda Ronstadt/Eagles/John David Souther slick LA Troubadour country-pop asesthetic is on the rise and on the charts. NSLC has touches of that technology in the synths and the multi-tracking, but still retains much of the specialness, the heart, the warmth that is The Band...the vocal trade-offs, the whimsy, the mystic...while the rest of the CA crowd takes themselves (on record at least) so damn seriously. There are beautiful moments here...It Makes No Difference, Acadian Driftwood, even Hobo Jungle, and maybe the first appearance of the Levon-driven 'Bandfunk' (Forbidden Fruit, Ophelia, Ring Your Bell) that might make "Free Your Mind" make a bit more sense later on. On the "how many songs do you sing along with" test, this LP scores high (as do some of the parts). Sidenote...if I had the CD, I'd try the running order that appears on the cover: Rags & Bones, Driftwood, Ophelia, Hobo Jungle. Difference, Forbidden Fruit, Bell, Jupiter. Anybody tried this?

Hey, an entirely Band-related post! Go figure!

Posted on Tue Jan 8 04:48:25 CET 2002 from spider-mtc-ti033.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.163)

bob wigo

All I can say is "thank you" to Levon Helm and the Barnburners ( that certainly includes you Butch ) for bringing the music to Philly on Saturday night. The North Star was rockin'.

Chris was blowing up a storm on that harp and Pat O'Shea was all over that new/old Les Paul. That's a great sounding axe Pat! Jeff Sarli was rock solid and in the pocket all night long. David Maxwell is simply the best thing to happen to this band since its conception. His keyboarding can only be described as explosive. That piano fits this band like socks on a rooster!

And then there is Levon. I've been blessed to see him perform eight or nine times now and I can honestly say he has NEVER played with this much energy, enthusiasm and raw power. I was positively overwhelmed by his performance and by the crowd's reaction. Some have talent and some have talent AND the gift. Levon gave every musician in the audience a priceless lesson...play from the heart and the music will sweep you up and carry you away.

It was great to see Butch,G-Man and Donna, the "other" Donna and Bob, Frank Ahart and last but not least, Dave ( the Drummer ) who drove in from Pittsburgh to see the show. Dave and I were fortunate to share a wonderful visit with Levon during intermission. He was , as always, gracious, kind and openly grateful for our support. When I told him he had inspired me to go out and buy a set of drums at age forty four he smiled wider than the butcher's dog and told me "Bob, that's the best damned money you ever spent". Right then and there I knew it to be true.

I said it here before and I'll gladly say it again...Levon Helm is an American treasure and I am profoundly grateful for his music and his spirit. Long live the Barnburners and long live Levon Helm.

Butch, since I missed you on the sticks I guess you all will have to get on back down here real soon. I'll pick them up then. Thanks brother.

Dave, the pleasure was all mine. We won't soon forget that conversation will we ?

Thanks Carol for allowing me my indulgences with patience and love.

Peace to all.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 04:40:07 CET 2002 from dialup-297.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.41)

Hank

Went to my regular Monday night gig tonight....one of the punters had a present for me...."Times Like These"!!!.......they put it on the Bar stereo.....Beautiful.....I can see it as I write.on the screen even!!!........and so I started the gig with "Twilight".........

I liked the rewrite of "Dixie" a few posts back........

OK....I bet a composite film of Dylan and The Hawks together with the best footage of '68-'76would be great Rock'n'Roll viewing.........I could compile a 20 song list, I guess...but I KNOW someone here would do it better.......year by year......song by song......go on, then....don't be shy......and anyway I'm not alone...no no no...it ain't me babe........and I bid you goodnigh....ta.......

Posted on Tue Jan 8 04:08:48 CET 2002 from (66.43.82.136)

Charlie Young

Speaking of Billy Mundi: at the Zappa tribute concert I caught last week I bought a great British book called "Necessity Is: The Early Years of Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention," that I had signed by Don Preston and Bunk Gardner (still on the road at age 68, Robbie) between sets. Anyway, here is the way Bunk Gardner describes the departure of Billy Mundi from that band: "Billy wasn't with [the Mothers] too long...he was always pushing and driving the beat, and it seemed that we always ended up a song with a faster tempo than when we started. Billy Mundi and Jimmy Carl Black did not work well together when we used two drummers. For quite a while we used one drummer--Billy--and Jimmy was playing bass trumpet..."

I always thought it was odd that The Band lined up Mundi to add some drums on MOONDOG when they already had not one but TWO fine ones.

By the way: Jimmy Carl Black was the self-proclaimed "Indian of the group" in the Mothers back when Robbie was wearing a yarmulke onstage, looking like a rabbi...

Posted on Tue Jan 8 03:39:18 CET 2002 from cpe0000e8c550f8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.102.199.57)

Jerry Tenenbaum

Quoting from "A Life In Stolen Moments" (1996) , Clinton Heylin writes:"While Bob Johnston is working on a stereo mix for "Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window," Dylan and the Hawks (with Bobby Gregg on drums, Helm having quit at the end of November, tired of the booing) take the opportunity to convene at Studio A and cut the man's latest (and probably greatest) magnum opus, the magnificent 'Freeze Out' (later to be renamed "Visions of Johanna").Then later Heylin says regarding the Feb. 5, 1966 Westchester County Center show in White Plains, N.Y, "However, there is a new drummer for this leg of the tour, Sandy Konikoff replacing Bobby Gregg.".Since Dylan played in December 1965 (Seattle WA Dec. 1; Berkley Dec. 3 and Dec. 4, Masonic Memorial Auditorium San Francisco Dec. 5 and 11, Long Beach CA Dec 7, San Diego Dec 10 and San Jose Dec 12, 1965, Pasadena Dec. 18; Santa Monica Dec. 19; it seems Bobby Gregg did play drums in December and then when the boys hit the road again, it was Sandy Konikoff. Mickey Jones replaces Konikoff for the last leg of the tour starting in Hawaii on April 9, 1966. But, it was Levon as I remembered it (Heylin confirms) in Nov. 1965. Incidentally, Hoskyns wrote in "Across the Great Divide" that Dylan originally considered as his backup band the Johnny Rivers band (which included Mickey Jones). Bobby Gregg had played on "Bringing It All Back Home" and on "Highway 61 Revisited". Hoskyns says that Bobby Gregg 'opted to resume the less stressful life of a sessionman" and in January 1966 :Gregg's successor on drums was one Sandy Konikoff, whom Robbie had lured away from his old boss Ronnie Hawkins."Hoskyns descriptions of Mickey Jones drumming technique is "ham-fisted" in contradistinction to "the rangy, loose-limbed style of Levon Helm". All these writers have it different from Levon Helm. In " This Wheel's On Fire (1993) Levon writes (with Stephen Davis) "We flew back to New York. We were living in the Irving Hotel...I knocked on Robbie Robertson's door and told him I was pulling out. I said "You know I've always had the same ambition: to be our own band. You had that same ambition; that was the plan." Then to paraphrase, Robbie Robertson talks about Dylan opening doors, the incredible music, how much more often they get to play and how "Some of this stuff is incredible." Levon goes on "Well, I can't always hear it" and he speaks a little longer and then says "It just ain't my ambition to be anybody's drummer. I've decided to just let this show go on without me for now. Tell the boys that I wish 'em well, and I'll see 'em when it's time to put the thing back together again." In the next chapter he describes his mixed feelings about leaving. He says "On the other hand, I wan't made to be booed....But the whole booing thing became heartbreaking, ...I was starting to get real pissed off. It was better for me not to be part of it." Finally there are some comments about negative interactions with the abrasive Albert Grossman and of his loss of leadership of what was once his band. He notes that "When I left Bob's tour, it felt like an immense weight had been lifted from my shoulders." So there you have it..according to the books.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 01:24:46 CET 2002 from px1wh.vc.shawcable.net (24.69.255.202)

Cupid

This is for Jan the Man: How many guitar players does it take to screw in a light buld?

3...1 to screw in the bulb and 2 to discuss how B.B. King would have done it

Posted on Tue Jan 8 00:37:29 CET 2002 from pc51-127.hiof.no (158.36.51.127)

jh

How many [insert self-centered rock musician here]s does it take to change a light bulb?

Only one. He just puts the bulb in the socket and the world revolves around him.

Posted on Tue Jan 8 00:33:43 CET 2002 from 1cust23.tnt8.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.15.114.23)

Hi

I saw Jackie Lomax perform at the Sled Hill Cafe in Woodstock roughly around 1970 and greatly enjoyed it. I do remember he did have a slide guitar player named Israel. Other than that I never knew of any Band connection or maybe I just forgot about it.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 23:54:36 CET 2002 from du-tele3-116.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.116)

Peter Viney

This Mundi drums thing brings up a general question. I know from experience that participants can be inaccurate witnesses. And it’s more likely that the one for whom it was an unusual event (the guest - Mundi) will have greater reason to remember accurately. (Though both Levon and Robbie say it’s him on Ain’t Got No Home which was not one of the three claimed). On the other hand, Robbie helped produce MM and should know Levon and Richard’s style well enough (and he has worked with a lot of different drummers). The Remasters CD has a picture of the original tape box for I’m Ready. It was 16 track. Track 2 is “Kick- Levon’. Track 3 ‘sock’. Track 5 ‘snare.’ Track 12 is ‘Kick- Richard’. 14 is another uncredited snare. Tracks 13 and 15 are ‘OH TRAPS ROCK – Fix for sound.’ So definitely two drummers. The kick drums are Levon and Richard. There could even be three drummers. They might have laid different tracks without noting or remembering who played what on what. Guess we’ll never know!

On track credits from 1972, Jan has added some interesting updates recently. For years Jackie Lomax Three was said to have “The Band” backing, but the new page credits only Levon and Rick. And the Taj Mahal tuba show / ROA horn people. And Billy Mundi (again) on tambourine. However, perhaps a couple of names are suspect – “Israel Zacuto” on guitar? Jerry Dodgion (“dodgy one” for UK readers) on tenor? Are they real? I was surprised to see the extra info – I have the original album with no credits on.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 23:50:19 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j ~t

This wonderful package this fellow below is trying to give away sounds like a great deal! He has advertized it twice....nobody wants it...interesting. I Already Have A Copy Or I Would Do It!!

Posted on Mon Jan 7 23:14:32 CET 2002 from 1cust18.tnt3.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.109.18)

Hi

To add to the Billy Mundi/ Mystery Train muddle..A few years ago to promote an appearce of Levon and the Crowmatix's Levon did a radio interview and gave out his signed drumsticks as a prize for the answer of who played drums on the cut..I guessed Billy Mundi and won and was told Levon said it was Billy and Richard Manuel.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 20:57:46 CET 2002 from pool-141-153-196-13.mad.east.verizon.net (141.153.196.13)

FRIEND INDEED

The legacy of the Band? Certainly, the Basement Tapes are a great part of it. As it happens, I have one (and only one) spare copy of A TREE WITH ROOTS, the definitive, most complete, best sounding BT set ever assembled. Released in 2001 and already out-of-print, it’s hard to imagine a Band fan without one of these. This is a sealed Scorpio original, of course, 4-CDs complete with deluxe packaging: quadruple fold-out with 8 color photo panels, individual picture sleeves for each disc, two booklets, and a poster. Astonishing! And very, very available. You’ll wonder how you got along without it. Interested? E-mail me.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 20:27:46 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Peter: I know what you mean. I went through a long phase during which I was certain it was Richard on "The Weight". My instintive reaction to Rob Bowman is, well, bullshit. On Christmas day I opened my new Big Pink present and read in the liner notes about the Toronto-based Ware label. (Ware was Henry Glover's own NY-based label - named after his son; the Canadian Squires record, which appeared in the US on Ware, appeared in Canada on the Montreal-based Apex label.) That was sloppy research on Bowman's part a decade ago, and the fact that he hasn't done anything about the mistake in all the years since throws into question just about anything he has to say.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 20:29:13 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-122.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.122)

MattK

I'd be lying if I didn't say you're psychic, Peter. I'm reserving all my troublemaking for the newsgroup these days, however.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 20:22:41 CET 2002 from du-tele3-110.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.110)

Peter Viney

Light bulb jokes. The point about my translated Band one was that without all five to screw it in the bulb would surely burn less brightly. Matt carefully said ‘six lead guitarists’ not ‘five Band members’. Otherwise you get the hard-core Robertsonian version (Robbie to screw it in, and four to say That was my idea!).

Posted on Mon Jan 7 20:15:26 CET 2002 from du-tele3-110.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.110)

Peter Viney

Bill- interesting. that's what I'd guessed. I suppose there must be sophisticated analysers like DNA analysers that can pick apart a drum track! Well, any views? I must say I think The Third Man sounds like Richard, though I'd never bet money on drums. I'd assume that everything that is on the Remasters is Robbie's view.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 20:10:38 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Peter: Billy Mundi.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 19:55:54 CET 2002 from du12-250.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.250.12)

Ilkka

R.I.P. Freddy Heineken. What would this gb have been without you.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 19:17:02 CET 2002 from du-tele3-161.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.161)

Peter Viney

MUNDI MUNDI: Bill – originally Moondog Matinee simply said, ‘Special thanks Billy Mundi, Ben Keith.’

According to Rob Bowman’s remaster notes:

Ain’t Got No Home: “Billy Mundi formerly of the Mothers of Invention” plays drums while Levon claims in his book that he is playing bass. If Levon is handling bass chores, Rick Danko most likely does not appear on this track.”

“Levon handles lead vocals on the album’s three remaining rockers, Mystery Train, I’m Ready, Promised Land. The latter features two drummers including Billy Mundi.”

He credits I’m Ready to “With both Levon and Richard banging away at their drum kits”.

On “Mystery Train” Rob Bowman is explicit: “The track features two drummers. For years, most likely started by this writer based on his interviews for the liner notes to … TO KINGDOM COME, it has been written that Billy Mundi is behind the second kit. Mundi did hang out at Bearsville during one of the sessions for Moondog Matinee, but when listening back to the album in late 2000, Robbie Robertson was sure that it was Richard Manuel and Levon Helm behind the two kits.”

On Third Man Theme, Rob Bowman says “Richard plays the drums in his trademark choppy, clip-clop style.”

The credits have been the subject of debate before, and it looks as if Rob Bowman went to trouble to check out these drum credits. He also mentions explicitly that Watkin’s Glen was fraudulent and that “no one in The Band was connected with that particular release which had been mastered sometime in the late 70s or early 80s” (If you read Barney Hoskyns notes, he indicates that mentioning the fraud got him off the project, but Bowman mentions it, albeit with a denial of involvement, which must be from Robbie as the others have distanced themselves from this release before). Where did the info about Billy Mundi come from?

Posted on Mon Jan 7 17:17:33 CET 2002 from (12.33.126.141)

John W.

"He was just eighteen, proud and brave. But an O.D., laid him in his grave. I swear by the mud below my hips, you can't raise a Kramer back up, when his joints turn to trips..."

Posted on Mon Jan 7 16:28:13 CET 2002 from host-65-164-8-8.co.erie.ny.us (65.164.8.8)

G-Man

Levon Helm & the Barnburners took Philly by storm!! They would have melted the tundra we traveled from!! The crew put on a show that was rougher than a ROCKY fight! NO standing 7 count!!! Solid traveling crew added to the PACKED North Star: Frankie's Pa. crew, Mr."finally got sticks"Wigo, Dave the Drummer, the Double D's, and Bob aka "Taxi Driver"! David Maxwell on keys-an undeniable virtuoso!! Had the crowd in an uproar!!!! Pat O'Shea was playing like he was doing seismic levitations; 10 plus palyin!!!! The BOSS and Jeff Sarli, man, they put another crack in the Liberty Bell; raw, unrelenting, powerhouse beat!!!! Chris O'Leary kept it all together with his swashbuckling-pugilistic harp and vocals!!!! And yes Chris, you guys are THAT GOOD!!!!!! Last but not least, big thanks to the bros.,Dener, Butch and Dutch!! Nice touch puttin the Double D and Barnburnerette gals in front of us!!!! Eyes back in socket yet?????? A KILLER show!!!!

Posted on Mon Jan 7 16:14:53 CET 2002 from m124-133.on.tac.net (209.202.124.133)

Bill

Does the "Moondog Matinee" CD include a listing of who's playing what on which songs? I believe it's generally accepted that Billy Mundi's the second drummer on "Mystery Train". Is it widely known that he's also on "Third Man Theme" and "I'm Ready"?

Posted on Mon Jan 7 14:43:06 CET 2002 from grmn-105ppp189.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.189)

Diamond Lil

Luke: Thank you!! You did a wonderful job of translating.. to give me the gist of what was being said. And you're only 14 years old?? I'm impressed!! Thanks again.. and stop in here again.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 13:54:44 CET 2002 from stargate-39-176.salzburg-online.at (213.153.39.176)

Luke W.

I am not very good at translating German to English, however I'll give it a try. Here are the translated lyrics to "Am Tag als Conny Kramer starb" (The Day Conny Kramer died):

We lay in the grass

our heads full of crazy ideas

when he said -just for fun-

"come on, let's go on a journey"

but the smoke tasted bitter

but Conny told me what he saw

a sea full of lights and colours

we didn't know, what was going to happen soon

Chorus: The day Conny Kramer died and all the bells were ringing

the day Conny Kramer died and all his friends were crying

this was a hard day, when a world broke apart in me

he often promised, "I'll stop it"

(sorry, I cannot translate that line)

I told myself

love would help

but the joints became to trips (but I hope you understand what this line is about...)

(again: I can't translate it properly...)

people started talking

but nobody offered Conny help

chorus

The last time he said

"I can see heaven now"

I shouted at him: "oh, please come back"

He couldn't hear me anymore

I didn't even have tears in my eyes

I lost everything I had

life goes on

the last thing I had were the flowers on his grave

Chorus

Maybe there is someone around who can give you a better translation. This way really tough for me (I'm just 14 years old...I have been learning English for 5 years now) btw...this is my first entry in The Band guestbook. Hopefully not my last.

Thanks for this great homepage!

Best regards from Austria

Luke

Posted on Mon Jan 7 12:07:34 CET 2002 from grmn-189ppp105.dialup.valstar.net (216.37.189.105)

Diamond Lil

Re: Julianne Werding. Where do you _find_ this stuff anyway Jan?? Heheh.. a take-off on The Band's "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"..somehow ending up being about the evils of 'joints and trips'. Can anyone here translate German? I'd love to hear the english lyrics to this. I think they'd be good for a laugh. Thanks if anyone can do that for me.

On a personal note, today marks the 6th anniversary of my husband John's death.. a man who will never be forgotten..and who probably loved Rick almost as much as I did :-) May they both rest in peace.

Have a good day everyone. Hug Jan.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 11:40:04 CET 2002 from 01-036.046.popsite.net (64.24.231.36)

Jenny T

You more established GBers may have already gone over the Authorized Biography in detail, but I just watched it for the first time last night and wanted to know what people thought. (When I did a search of the GB it brought up way too many files to search through.)

I thought it was pretty good, though of course it glosses over a lot of things. I thought Levon did a great job of telling the story and provided a lot of musical insight. I would have liked it to have gone into more detail about each member's musicianship, though. I am not a musician, but I have a hunch that part of the greatness of the Band was that each of them were not only excellent musicians, but brought a very unique sound and style to their instruments. Rick Danko's bass playing and Richard's later piano work seemed to get short shrift to me.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 06:06:14 CET 2002 from dialup-65.56.136.105.dial1.chicago1.level3.net (65.56.136.105)

Pat Brennan

It's odd how Dylan has turned away from that electric sound he initially pursued. I believe it's been since the mid-80's that he's had a keyboardist in his group. Although Augie Meyers' weird keyboard stuff certainly painted TOOM and, to a lesser extent LaT, he relies on stringed instruments now to recreate his songs on stage. At the same time, his live shows now hearken back to the musical mayhem of the Hawks--minus the keyboards--so that spirit may be the most obvious lasting effect the boys had on Bob.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 05:05:15 CET 2002 from spider-wm074.proxy.aol.com (205.188.199.184)

butch

last night, in philadelphia,,,,,Levon & The Barn Burners took the town by land & sea,, the fellas & the crowd were hot, hot, hot !!!!

Levon & (bassplayer) jeff sarli were locked tighter than a tick & were giving high 5's to each other all night,,,

Pat was playing licks that had the ol' man smilin, & levon aint no guitar lover,,,,,,he was right on the note, all night,, twirling between chris' harp & guest pianist, david maxwell, ( james cotton & freddy king's bands,)boogie woogie nawlins riffs,,, the two 75 minute sets went by in the blink of an eye,, & an almost packed, wall to wall crowd was right on it too,,

many folks from here in the GB,,,, BassmanLee , very cool to meet ya,, G-man & both donnas,,,chris from baltimore ,, wigo , of course, ( still have your sticks, where'd ya go ? )our Little Feat friend Chris,,, & the three WILD WOMEN in the front,,,,

a night to remember,,, good solid blues,, low down dirty groovin blues,,, & a happy crowd,,,

life is good sometimes,,, time for bed, now,,,

Posted on Mon Jan 7 04:59:30 CET 2002 from cr814537-a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.102.199.57)

Jerry Tenenbaum

I know everyone knows this, but Helm was at the Nov. 15, 1965 concert with the others. Konikoff and then Jones came during the second leg of the tour in 1966. (If I am in error, please let me know). I recall seeing the 'original 5' in Toronto at Massey Hall on Nov 15, 1965.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 04:29:20 CET 2002 from cr814537-a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (24.102.199.57)

Jerry Tenenbaum

I think that 'Crabgrass' and 'Brown Eyed Girl' are correct about Dylan's big 3 of 1965-1966. Dylan went into the studio with brilliant songs and a compulsion. The musicians were good in most cases and they certainly embellished 3 wonderful albums. These had little to do with the performances. I saw them once on Nov. 15, 1965. It was ethereal. It did not sound like what was on the 2 albums already out. The accompanied part of the concert was something different, something special and it has never been repeated. It was not repeated in the tour of 1974. I saw that one too. It was great and had great energy. But it did not have the raw power of 1965. Dylan was discovering, exploring with a new team and Robertson and Manuel and Hudson and Danko fused with Dylan in a stellar performance of wonderful poems. It was different than what was on the records. I think (My opinion only) that some of the anger in the audience was not only the electricity, but the raw power of songs that came through differently than what was on the vinyl. This is not just the reminiscences of a 17 year old who hadn't seen too many concerts. I had seen Levon and the Hawks many times (matinees at the Concord Tavern/ the coke and fries crowd). Nothing I saw there prepared me for what Dylan and the Hawks did only months after I had last seen the Hawks. I've seen a lot of concerts since then. We grow older and our previous experiences (some call it nostalgia for youth) seem somehow better (like aging wine). But I truly don't believe this to be the case here. This WAS the best concert I had ever seen. Dylan alone was very good. Dylan and the Hawks in 1965 was other-worldly for me.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 04:22:09 CET 2002 from cmldme-cmt1-24-198-96-122.maine.rr.com (24.198.96.122)

MattK

How many lead guitarists does it take to change a light bulb?

Six. One to screw it in and five to say "I coulda done that."

Posted on Mon Jan 7 04:17:53 CET 2002 from spider-th014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.49)

Brien Sz

Just as side info: We went to see The Royal Tenenbaums this weekend. It's a wonderful, quirky delight. Few weeks back we saw Oceans Eleven, a good, slick, smart, well crafted movie. Next, the Sissy Spacek film which is getting rave reviews.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 03:36:14 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

Paul........thanks for the Jerry Baird information. Band fans outside of Ontario would not be familiar with Jerry. He was a member of the 90's Hawks and I will tell you that when you closed your eyes and heard him sing..........it was almost like having Richard back in the room. Rest In Peace Jerry.

Posted on Mon Jan 7 01:16:30 CET 2002 from i153-103.nv.iinet.net.au (203.59.153.103)

Nancy

So Levon and Butch WON'T be needing an attorney after all.........whew....such relief.......

And there won't be a new best selling John Grisham book next year entitled............."The Tape".

'twould have fitted in well with his earlier books, "The Partner", "The Chamber", "The Street Lawyer", "The Client", "The Firm" ............

Posted on Mon Jan 7 01:00:31 CET 2002 from 12-247-140-55.client.attbi.com (12.247.140.55)

Robert Myers

the band? "hard travelin" too...... seeds of light, times of night their campfires 'eased into rest after many a page

Posted on Mon Jan 7 00:16:43 CET 2002 from ppp200.ac1.56k.execulink.com (209.239.5.200)

paul godfrey

Sad to pass on that former member of the Hawks...Jerry Baird singer/drummer, passed away early Sunday morning. He is resting at Falconer Funeral Home in Clinton Ontario Canada and visiting hours are Monday from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9pm. The Funeral is Tuesday at 1pm at the Brucefield United Church just outside of Clinton (on the right on Hiway 4)

Forgive the term, but Jerry most sadly is "Too Soon Gone!"

Posted on Mon Jan 7 00:09:43 CET 2002 from spider-wb044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.169)

DZ Again

P.S. - It's a trick joke question... "Zero" Band members are needed to change a lightbulb... because once the music starts what you really need is a big honking fire...

Posted on Mon Jan 7 00:04:09 CET 2002 from spider-wb044.proxy.aol.com (205.188.192.169)

Dave Z

Rick S: Thanks for the bit on Richard... that's great news... I bet Garth and Louie will do an awesome job!!! and God bless you Lil...

Sounds like the guy who lost the tape... at least got to see a great show!!! I'm envious... and who knows, maybe down the line some of it pops up somewhere?... Today I'm enjoying the guilty pleasure of a Counting Crows live CDR... gotta run...

Posted on Mon Jan 7 00:00:22 CET 2002 from schltns.demon.nl (212.238.41.164)

Ragtime

Hey Peter,

The light bulb joke is what we call a "Belgian" joke, here in the Low Countries. Since Belgians, with all due respect, are known to be daft (like the Irish, with all due respect, are to the English, sorry Hank), you could transfer it to John, Paul, George and Ringo, but certainly not to Robbie, Levon, Garth, Rick and Richard.

You won't do it again, won't you? ;-)

Posted on Sun Jan 6 23:35:19 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

For the record, I have just heard back from Brown-Eyed Girl. Thank you.

Posted on Sun Jan 6 22:20:11 CET 2002 from du-tele3-065.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.65)

Peter Viney

The latest UNCUT is notable for an excellent George Harrison retrospective, as well as an overview of Americana / alt.country (20 Essential Albums) which fails to mention The Band’s first two, in spite of namechecking ‘Sweetheart of the Rodeo,’ ‘Elite Hotel’, ‘Workingman’s Dead.’ Appalling error. The Byrds and Burrittos put the country in alt. country. The Band put the alt. As well as the 'Cana' in 'Americana'.

The George interview starts with a 1992 quote on The Beatles which I’ll transform to The Band.

“How many Band members does it take to change a light bulb?”

“Five. Robbie, Levon, Garth, Rick and Richard.”

Posted on Sun Jan 6 19:31:01 CET 2002 from du-tele3-045.mailbox.co.uk (195.82.121.45)

Peter Viney

While one should be careful about entering someone’s else’s argument, I was struck by the point about the tape of Levon. Whatever a bit of paper says all the information (i.e. pictures and music) on the tape still actually belongs to Levon & the other performers, and in any case it might be that no single one of the musicians has a right to sign for the others. Now, I can’t say I don’t have illicit live tapes myself, so I sympathise with someone who thought they’d been given permission. An old ploy would then be asking to copy it and retaining it, and I was caught out on that one by a guy in a record store who HAD to borrow a Grateful Dead bootleg. No, I couldn’t copy it for him. He wanted mini disc and only through his own system. Needless to say I never saw it again. All I can think in the end is he probably wanted it more than me (and someone on this site kindly did me a tape when I mentioned it before). But in this situation of videoing a live concert your only argument in the end is over the value of a blank tape. Which is not worth spending money on a lawyer for. I hope they send you a blank tape at least, but you have to accept that it was their performance and they have a right to it. In spite of the loss of the tape, I’d personally feel hopeful that they’d watched and enjoyed my efforts. A lot of artists will shrug and say that no amateur tape is going to be of saleable quality so why worry. Trouble is, equipment has got so much better in the last few years. From what I’ve heard, security at some artists’ concerts would not be that friendly! e.g. Don’t get caught filming Van the Man. And if you ever manage to without getting caught, put me down for a copy.

Another point is that few artists like unedited live stuff being circulated and it’s not only the money. They don’t want to ‘give away’ live intros (which will then sound dumb when they re-use them). They edit them out of official releases. Comedians in particular keep a few of their best jokes only for live shows. No artist likes to be confrontational to a member of the audience before a show. I have seen the situation of a performer being asked in the bar, ‘Can I tape it?’ ‘Oh, yes. Sure. OK.’ Then five minutes later the tour manager comes over and says, ‘Oh, I was talking to XY. XY doesn’t mind you taping. But the record company / agency / venue does. So you can’t.’ XY will of course have given the instruction. Which is one reason why XY has a tour manager.

Nowadays it is getting extremely difficult to video or tape anything. You know, you could take a photo of a street scene, publish it and be sued by two people in the street who did not want to be seen together (you might have precipitated two divorces). When I’ve been working with a photographer in public places he has a little pad of printed permission forms with him, unheard of a few years ago. If you’re filming somewhere it’s wise to have a sign, as DisneyWorld does, that says by passing the sign you are accepting the film company’s right to use your image. Again, unheard of a few years ago. There are arguments about taking a street scene photo for publication. Do you need permission because the McDonald’s logo is visible on a store front? The usual answer is ‘yes’ if McDonald’s is the main subject of the photo, no if it’s incidental. Then try arguing the dividing line. So, it’s a picture of five stores in a row. Do you need five permissions to reproduce it? Or none? Two years ago, I’d have said none. Now people are being extremely cautious. I recall filming in the street a few years ago, and an irate man from a college came out to demand a fee as the college was in the background. The director pointed out that we were in a public place, with police permits, and if he didn’t want his college at the back of the shot his only recourse was to move it or demolish it. Recently, I’ve been stopped twice by security guards from taking photos in shopping malls, and they point out that there are signs on the entrances stating that the mall is private property – and not a public place (in the UK the rule is whether it’s locked shut at some times of the day), so they have copyright on all images taken there. I guess my rambling point is that (a) there are too many restrictions and (b) as a result there’s too much litigation!

Posted on Sun Jan 6 19:02:21 CET 2002 from px1cv.gv.shawcable.net (24.64.223.203)

Cupid

My New Years Resolution: I just wanna break even....Hippy New Year all:^)..Peace Cupid

Posted on Sun Jan 6 18:55:18 CET 2002 from dialup-347.cork.iol.ie (193.203.148.91)

Hank

Whilst replying to some friendly Band GB Flak over my contribution to the recent debate/thread about The Bands Legacy, I came up with the following theory........

RR was The Brains....Wrote, Thought, Planned, Dreamed........

Richard Manuel The Soul........Untouchable in His Beauty

Rick Danko the Body.........Living and Breathing Beauty

Garth Hudson The Spine....The Central Nervous System.....connecting all the functions

Levon Helm The Heartbeat ....kept it alive......and railed against it dying.......to see how well he plays to this day proves how strong and powerful that heartbeart is......

Ok Ok....yeah, yeah...... They were just a buncha guys in a band..... alright alright....but hey! I can see 'em that way if I want to..........

Of course, you could use these images to describe all kindsa situations like, say, when they lost RR, they ran around like a headless chicken monster.....or when they lost Richard......their spirit was vanquished and how could the Body survive with just a Heartbeat and a Spine?.....but it DID for a while.....and very well, too.....as far as I could see and hear........

Anyone pick up on the non-TLW Live from '68-'76 Video vibe I put out there?.......Is it possible?

Posted on Sun Jan 6 18:21:28 CET 2002 from wc12.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com (66.185.85.79)

John D

Crabby.......I'm surprised that Brown Eyed Girl responded to your e-mail. She and I live in the same town and she has e-mailed me before asking questions about Robbie. I politely responded back giving her all the information I could. I have e-mailed her privately and she won't respond at all. You should feel special.

Posted on Sun Jan 6 18:06:15 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp70556.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.193.143)

brown eyed girl

CRABSTER: I basically agree with your Band and Dylan post.......

It was because Dylan was a writer of his own material and was possessed with a personal vision that he took his own musical journey......and yes.....the three recordings that you mentioned are probably his masterpieces.....the trilogy recordings no doubt......

Dylan on BRINGING IT ALL BACK HOME: My old songs, they were what I call one-dimensional songs, but my new songs I'm trying to make more three-dimensional, you know. There's more symbolism, they're written on more than one level. (Sheffield, 1965).......Robbie has stated that The Band were vaguely aware of Dylan but he couldn't understand at the time why Dylan had to use sooooooooo many words to communicate.......Robbie would ask what was Dylan going on about?????????.........plus he said Dylan's writing was for College students........Robbie dropped out of school in grade 10.........However.......I would say that there is a huuuuuuuge difference between being SCHOOLED......and being EDUCATED..............

Dylan on HIGHWAY 61 REVISITED: I'm gonna be able to make a record better than that one. HIGHWAY 61 is just too good. There's a lot of stuff on there that I would listen to. (1966)......That's right Bob......Having confidence and a strong musical vision is paramount in any musical journey......or personal journey for that matter.......E=MC2.......ENERGY EQUALS MOTIVATION, COMMITMENT AND CLARITY......

Dylan on BLONDE ON BLONDE: The closest I ever got to the sound I hear in my mind was on individual bands in the BLONDE ON BLONDE album. It's that thin, that wild mercury sound. It's metallic and bright gold, with whatever that conjures up. That's my particular sound. I haven't been able to succeed in getting it all the time. Mostly I've been driving at a combination of guitar, harmonica and organ. (New York, 1978)

In anycase......I would also at least consider the fact the Dylan and Robbie were very connected musically at one time.....Remember.......Dylan repsected Robbie's "mathematical" guitar playing........so........like all of us.........sometimes the influence is subtle.......but nevertheless.....present......Also.....the MUSICAL BRILLIANCE of THE BAND (Levon was not present at this time) as a whole helped DYLAN SHARE HIS POETIC/MUSICAL VISION LIVE........

May 1966 at Albert Hall: ...The song is a blues, no more, on some nights the biggest blues anyone has ever heard, with Garth Hudson's organ finding a mode so mocking it is sadistic, a whirlpool opening and then laughing at your feet as it closes, with Robbie Robertson's first guitar notes enormous, Godzilla notes, so big they throw the audience back, daring anyone to say the first word - but not this night..........

Posted on Sun Jan 6 17:21:33 CET 2002 from spider-we031.proxy.aol.com (205.188.195.31)

Bayou Sam

Rick S. = that is some exiting news that Garth and Prof. Louie are doing something regarding Richard's music. Were you referring to recorded stuff by Richard - or are there songs on paper that he wrote and we haven't heard?

Lil - you're a real human being :-)

Posted on Sun Jan 6 16:40:15 CET 2002 from spider-tq034.proxy.aol.com (152.163.201.59)

Smokin' Joe Tracey

Hello Levon, Chris and all. Happy 2002. Does anyone know if Joyous Lake will be re-opening? Please keep me posted if you plan to be in our area soon. Thanks, Smokin' Joe

Posted on Sun Jan 6 14:04:33 CET 2002 from spider-te014.proxy.aol.com (152.163.195.179)

Rick S.

My wife Pat and I celebrated my birthday by watching Prof. Louie and the Crowmatix (with Michael Falzarano) at Tobacco Road, New York City. Such good people and such good music. They never fail to honor Rick Danko and "Twilight" was the highlight again. Many Grateful Dead songs and they closed with "Scarlet Begonias" with everyone on the dance floor. Lil, afterward I was talking to Aaron and he mentioned that he and Garth were going through Richard Manuel's music and they want to pick some songs to honor his legacy and keep his memory alive.

Posted on Sun Jan 6 12:13:11 CET 2002 from grmn-105ppp94.dialup.valstar.net (199.224.105.94)

Diamond Lil

Will Fleisher: After reading some of the very intelligent posts that followed mine, and receiving an e-mail from someone who was nice enough to help me sort out my own personal jumbled feelings, I want to apologize to you for making your feel that your question about Richard's life and death was not fit to be answered. That really wasn't my intention. There have been moments here when non-thinking people have answered questions like that strictly for 'shock value'.. and I guess I was trying to avoid that if possible. It was perhaps a knee-jerk reaction to painful moments in the past that are just very difficult to be reminded of.

Someone mentioned that there is a big difference between a simple curiosity and morbid curiosity, and that is indeed true. And so.. I'm sorry for thinking the worst of your question. Please keep posting and asking questions. That's how we all learn.

Thanks for reading this. Have a good day everyone.

Posted on Sun Jan 6 11:03:42 CET 2002 from netcache-1112.public.svc.webtv.net (209.240.222.32)

j~t

Sombody might have messed up real bad here sometime back but I do love this wonderful group. What would have happened if The Hawks had never "hooked up" with Dylan? the world might never have had them but they would have had each other... in the long run...that would have been more important...to them at least. Richard Manuel is the only singer that makes me weep practually every time I hear him..I'm surprised that the world didn't stop spinning every time that man opened his mouth. It took me many years to grow into his voice but once I did there as no way out.

Posted on Sun Jan 6 08:51:08 CET 2002 from 3cust16.tnt48.nyc3.da.uu.net (67.193.93.16)

Crabgrass

The Band an influence on Dylan? I don't think so!! Dylan always marched to the beat of his own drummer - and it wasn't Levon. Bob went semi-electric on "Bringing It All Back Home" followed that with "Highway 61 Revisited" and then "Blonde on Blonde" - his 3 greatest electric albums - all without the Hawks. (Robbie appears on only a few cuts on the third one.) Dylan never seemed to have any allegiance to any particular backup musicians when it came to either recording or touring.

BTW I think there's much more than anyone really needs (or wants) to know about Richard Manuel right in Levon's book. In fact, I wish I could forget some of it.

Posted on Sun Jan 6 06:58:43 CET 2002 from 209-130-142-94.mon.frontiernet.net (209.130.142.94)

Lars

BUSHA: On Sept 27, '97 Levon Helm and the Crowmatix played "The Framingham Blues Fest" at Bowditch Field. I enjoyed their set and also got to see Leon Russell play. I remember the Crowmatix (except for Levon) hung around to see Leon finish the show. I was told that their tour manager didn't make the trip. He's a pretty visable guy. He wasn't there.

Perhaps someone CLAIMING to be the tour manager talked you out of the tape. I hope you get it back.

As for taking Levon to court, it's a sad coincidence that his attorney was laid to rest today. 60 years old. A good man who grew up in New Paltz and practiced law in his family's firm. Like so many others who have passed on during this last year, he will be missed.

I just thought of another coincidence: the lawyer lived next door to the tour manager who wasn't at the Blues Fest.

Posted on Sun Jan 6 06:43:37 CET 2002 from hse-toronto-ppp178546.sympatico.ca (64.229.83.135)

Blind Willie

No one can sing like Richard did.

Posted on Sun Jan 6 04:54:51 CET 2002 from spider-th072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.77)

BUSHA

Mr HELM While playing the FRAMINGHAM BLUES FEST a few years ago i got your ok on a doc saying it was ok to video tape your band when your set was done your tour mang. came over and asked for the tape so he could copy it then send it back to me(never did)If you want to save yourself a trip to court get your crew on the ball a send me the tape which has my name and adress on it,its 8mm camcorder.Im not looking for$$just my tape as im a music nut and just want the tape.GET ON THE BALL AND TAKE CARE OF THIS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD MR BUSHA

Posted on Sun Jan 6 04:54:31 CET 2002 from hse-mtl-ppp68279.qc.sympatico.ca (64.229.184.152)

brown eyed girl

I want to thank AMANDA.......one of the biggest LEVON fans who reminded me about Ebay and ROBBIE.....Thanks to her.....I will be receiving soon........Robbie photo from Crabby and Rollie's fave Robbie film.......I bet THE CRABSTER can't wait to distort.....I mean enhance Robbie's photo........and I will be receiving an Aboriginal magazine featuring Robbie......:-D

I'm listening to some bluesssss this evening.....MUD.......Vocals and Sllllllide......Recorded in Chicago 1969.......AND THE WOLF.....Vocals, Harmonica, Acoustic Guitar.........Recorded London, England 1983.....NORBERT......You would love song number 6 by THE MUD......;-D......Other musicians playing with THE MUD.....(ROLLIE'S HERO)......Bloomfield....Butterfield.....Donald "Duck" Dunn......and then.......HOWLIN' WOLF.....fave song......WHO'S BEEN TALKING?........JOHN SIMON on piano......He wasn't listed on the cover.......only plays on one song..........But.....it's the best one to my ears!........Other musicians with THE WOLF.....Eric Clapton.....Steve Winwood......Bill Wyman......Charlie Watts.......Hubert Sumlin.....Ian Stewart........There's even a rehearsal for THE RED ROOSTER...........THE WOLF AND CLAPTON HAVE A little DISCUSSION...................

Posted on Sun Jan 6 04:38:18 CET 2002 from spider-th072.proxy.aol.com (152.163.213.77)

BUSHA

MR HELM When you were atthe Framingham blues fest a few years ago i was videotapeing your show for my own use with your ok on a note saying it was ok which i still have.When you were done with your set your tour mang came by and said he wanted to copy the tape and send it back to me as soon as he was done.I never saw the tape anymore i consider this theft pure and simple and you are wide open for a trip to court if you cannot come up with the tape in fair amount of time.Im notlookingfor a big money deal just my dam tape which has my adress rigt on it so get your crew looking for it send it to me and everything is OK its an 8mm tape

Posted on Sun Jan 6 03:01:31 CET 2002 from spider-tp023.proxy.aol.com (152.163.204.183)

JTull Fan

The details Richard's and Ricks passing are certainly not pleasant to discuss. There is a fine line between healthy curiosity and morbid curiosity. I do think it is important that the situations, particularly Richard's, be discussed in a healthy, forthright manner. These men lived lives that enriched the world, and continue to inspire us to this day.Their deaths hold lessons as well. Understanding Richard's death may deter someone in a similar situation from going down that path. It may alert someone to the warning signs in order to prevent another tragedy with another individual. In Rick's case, it may prepare someone intent on entering the music profession to be more aware of the toll the lifestyle can take on an individual and help them avoid simialr problems. Even in Levon's cricumstances, their is a good lesson in taking care of your health. For a young person discovering the band (or any other similar artist(s), it would be a disservice to them to think that you can expect success and stardom without the difficulties and heartache that can accompany it. So, I am for a discussion of the entire truth provided it retains a respect for the individuals and their families and is for the purpose of historical perspective rather than an episode of Court TV or Cops.

Posted on Sun Jan 6 02:12:05 CET 2002 from user-uiveqpv.dsl.mindspring.com (165.247.107.63)

Will Fleisher

Thanks for your information everyone. I was 4 years old in 1986, so obviously I don't have a real good frame of reference to life and times of The Band. Of course I meant no disprespect, just curious. thanks

Posted on Sun Jan 6 01:50:34 CET 2002 from sc-hiltonhead2a-295.hhe.adelphia.net (24.49.233.39)

Amanda

Great post, Don. Richard's voice is from heaven...I can't remember who said that he is the only white man who could sing like Ray Charles or Bobby Bland. I love him for "Katie's Been Gone"...one of my favorite songs...ever. It is normal to question why a beautiful soul decides to leave this earth, but there are never any answers.

Posted on Sun Jan 6 01:37:29 CET 2002 from dv224s68.lawrence.ks.us (24.124.68.224)

Dexy

Yeah, that Robbie interview from '69 is interesting (see "What's New"). Lots of stuff for all "istas." But, I like Janis Ian!

Posted on Sun Jan 6 00:42:33 CET 2002 from 24-196-225-108.charter-georgia.com (24.196.225.108)

Don Pugatch

Richard Manuel, so much soul, so much warmth, such a voice, a great beard, never met you, but feel that like a candle, burning bright, and then one day, extinguished. Why some decide to take their lives, not for me to comment, just do know, that when I hear Arcadian Driftwood, Whispering Pines, Country Boy, Lonesome Suzy, I always shed a tear, but then again, who doesn't?

Posted on Sat Jan 5 23:18:08 CET 2002 from 1cust204.tnt2.idaho-falls.id.da.uu.net (63.25.9.204)

Good news for Subdude fans.........

Incredibly enough, the Subdudes are regrouping(minus Johnny Allen) this year!!!!!!!!!! They will be called simply, "The Dudes". No shat!

Posted on Sat Jan 5 20:47:35 CET 2002 from 1cust197.tnt2.poughkeepsie.ny.da.uu.net (63.17.108.197)

Hi

Well I'm surprised at hardly a comment about the Robertson interview now posted in the "What's New" section of this site....I remember it being in Rolling Stone and I was not aware RS picked it up as Bill Munson said from another source....Robbie was not afraid to express his opinions, eh?

Posted on Sat Jan 5 19:03:03 CET 2002 from grmn-189ppp69.dialup.valstar.net (216.37.189.69)

Diamond Lil

Bayou Sam: I respect and like you alot, but I'd like to clarify my last post. When a newcomer or "virgin" to this site asks about The Band story.. it is perfectly correct to include the sad fact that Richard did indeed take his own life. But the poster I was replying to wanted to know 'more' about his suicide.. which I still feel is not necessary in this forum. I have personlly been within inches of someone as they took their own life.. an image that will haunt me until the day I die. I simply feel that anyone wanting me to re-live that moment..or read about it in detail in a forum such as this..has no right to inflict that form of pain on me. Same goes for Richards close friends and family. The fact that someone took their own life should be infomation enough. And despite the fact that Richards family know how very much he meant to all of us, making them re-live the horror of his death in detail is just not fair. I know from where I speak Sam. Its happened to me and it takes a very long time to recover from the 'reminders'.

More than I wanted to tell you guys here.. but alot of my passion about certain issues are not something I just pull out of the air. Noone needs grizzly descriptions of a life that's no longer..when one already has a difficult time coping with it. The beginning of Levon's book is forthright and raw. I would suggest that anyone who really wants to know.. should read it. That's more information that anyone could possibly need.

Thanks for listening Sam. Again.. I really like and respect your opinons. I hope you can understand mine. Have a good day.

Posted on Sat Jan 5 18:25:02 CET 2002 from (63.143.92.254)