The Band Guestbook, January 2020

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John D

Subject: Ronnie and Dale Hawkins

I have never seen this video before. Ronnie Hawkins the man who put the Band together and his cousin Dale Hawkins who gave us the original Suzie-Q; with 15 year old James Burton on guitar.

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Bill M

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: WHAT!!!

BILL M posted: "It took me a long time to realize Dylan was doing "Baby, Let Me Follow You Down" at TLW and not "You Really Got Me"."

(1.) WHO CARES?

(2.) After finding my banjo in the basement I have picked a few my "own" country tunes and found that they all are Appalachian mountains hymns --- or Irish tunes --- or Celtic tunes.

(3.) I admire this Bill guy: posting here balanced posts a decade after decade? - Kicking the but of his boss instead, maybe?

Hopefully.

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Peter V

Subject: Roger Chapman / Family

Review of Roger Chapman, Family & Friends last night. With Edgar Broughton. 1970 Rules, OK?

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Jed

extremely sad. 😢

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Jed

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Bill M

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Peter V

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Jed

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Jed

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Rod

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Peter V

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Bill M

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Peter V

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Bill M

1) I wonder how long it took for Petty etc. to realise it was "Da-Doo-Ron-Ron"? It took me a long time to realise Dylan was doing "Baby, Let Me Follow You Down" at TLW and not "You Really Got Me".

2) Norman Fucking Rockwell reminds me of a linguistics article I read in the late '70s that talked about where people choose to insert "fucking" into a longish word. The example used was that people will say something like "I drove non-stop all the way to Van fucking couver", but will never say "... Vancou fucking ver". Never ever.

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Peter V

American Tunes: The Songs of Paul Simon, Ace Compilation CD

(Which led me to) Feeling Groovy: Harper’s Bizarre, vinyl LP

London American Label: Year By Year – 1967. Ace compilation CD. About the time they stopped getting hits. Some weird stuff on there. E.g. Humphrey Stomp.

Norman Fucking Rockwell: Lana Del Rey. Pity. The early vinyl had the full title in my memory, but the repressings just have "NFR". CD.

One Dozen Berries- Chuck Berry, original vinyl copy.

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Jon Lyness

Rod, LOL, I followed Dag's link to the March 2002 guestbook and you made the same comment about the Dylan/Tom Petty NZ tour even back then. (Not that I blame you!)

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Peter V

I'd forgotten that. Andy R knew a lot of stories. That one's incredible, but then they were also playing the wrong places at the time. The Dylan tour was a huge opportunity. Tom Petty said they had a list of 140 (?) songs that he might choose to call. One day Bob started a song and none of them had a clue what it was. Turned out to be Da Doo Ron Ron, which was not on the list. He didn't think of telling them. For starters, there was the DVD of the tour but the main thing would have been exposure. I always wondered what they were doing playing an all-standing club venue in the UK.

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Peter V

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JQ

I agree about the negatives of the 80’s-90’s outfit. However in 2008 when I saw Levon perform with a group of top notch NYC musicians, led by Larry Campbell at a Midnight Ramble, I thought he’d come back to the OQ’s quality. His voice wasn’t as strong but it was still right there.

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Wallsend

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Rod

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Pat B

Now Peter V has long accused RT of overemphasizing his accent. My ideal world has him adopting something between Canuck and good ol' boy, and exploring writing in that style. My ideal world also has Levon and his management team taking a step back as the NOQ becomes more successful.

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Dag B.

Subject: Tour with Dylan

From this guestbook in March 2002: Posted on Tue Mar 19 14:23:30 CET 2002 from ac80456b.ipt.aol.com (172.128.69.107)

Andy R.

From: Phila.

Band demos...1985 etc.

"One last tidbit...me driving a motorhome to a gig in Long Island, and the manager (who shall remain nameless...don't want to even acknowledge his name he was such an idiot) at the time reading a letter from Bob Dylan's office asking if we wanted to tour Australia with Bob. This "manager" turned this opportunity down because "we'll be doing our own album at that time"!!! Needless to say this is the tour that Tom Petty ended up doing. Missed opportunity, eh!"

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Rod

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Rod

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Peter V

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Jon Lyness

OK then. How about Linda Thompson? :)

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Peter V

Bruce Hornsby would have fitted and replaced Richard, though not anywhere as original as Richard Thompson.

Albert Lee? No, Jim Weider is just as good.

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Bill M

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Pat B

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Pat B

Jim Weider was an improvement mostly because the Cates were gone. He was sturdy and reliable. Was he a Richard Thompson or an Albert Lee?

I am capable of great flights of fancy. I can imagine The Band returning in 1983 with Richard Thompson and a 4 piece horn section. All the songs from Rock of Ages. An interlude where the NOQ (plus Thompson) gather around a mic and do three acoustic tunes (Rockin' Chair, When You Awake, Lonesome Suzie). Add Time To Kill, Strawberry Wine, The Rumor, Mystery Train, Share Your Love, Ophelia, It Makes No Difference, and Forbidden Fruit. Encore: Rock & Roll Shoes, Slippin and Slidin'.

In the next tour, the group starts to incorporate Thompson tunes from his 1982 album "Shoot Out The Lights." Then the NOQ record Thompson's next batch of songs with Thompson lead singing some of them. "Tear Stained Letter becomes a bona fide radio hit. After that, I'm not sure.

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Bill M

Having now listed to the majority of the '66 tour, I can see that you can play precisely the same songlist every night without losing the ability to make marked changes in how things get played while still aways playing beyond skillfully.

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Peter V

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Jon Lyness

Rod, thanks for the data point on the potential Band/Dead/Dylan tour. Not sure it ever would have happened (if only!), but that's quite interesting.

The discussion of 80s/90s setlists is cool but is familiar ground here. Agreed--if I'd seen them in the 80s I definitely would have preferred some of those missing songs Pat listed to the generic bar-band stuff. With that said, I'm skeptical that more deep cuts, a few more greatest hits and more rehearsals would have *significantly* turned around their trajectory and addressed Richard's frustrations. IMO the 80s Band needed new material for a shot in the arm, not just endless tours. Even if the three 90s albums were uneven (I liked 'em), it felt like the Jericho material added some depth to their live shows and started to improve their narrative in the press circa '93-'95.

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Bill M

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Peter V

Pat has nailed the song issue. I often complained about it. I saw the 90s Band twice, and while both times I was thrilled to be there, neither would count in my Top Ten concerts of the era. Technically, they weren’t as “good” as the bands behind Paul Simon, Leonard Cohen, James Taylor, k.d. lang, some of Van Morrison’s bands (but by no means all), Natalie Merchant … I could go on. Nor was their sound mix in the same class. While Levon and Ringo are two of my favourite drummers, you’d have to say Steve Gadd (James Taylor, Paul Simon) was more impressive to watch. Yes, at The Last Waltz and the Academy of Music they would equal or beat any band in the world, that wasn’t true on tour. That wasn’t true for some 70s shows too (listen to the first Jersey City show from 1973), and I reckon Robbie knew that.

In the 80s and 90s the easy songs route was the issue. This came up for me in the two days watching my friends rehearse their “51st Anniversary” reunion in December. We spent Saturday afternoon working out chords, keys and running a few things minus drummer and vocalist. We did a rehearsal on Sunday afternoon at the venue before the gig, and just two songs occupied a third or more of the rehearsal time. That was Supertramp’s Maybe I’m A Beggar and John Wetton’s In The End, done as a tribute to him. That’s because both songs had changes of tone, mood, vocalist, harmonies, instruments had to come in and go out. Jailhouse Rock took quite a bit of time. Even The Weight and Like A Rolling Stone got rehearsed in about ten minutes each. Then there was a reserve list of four or five songs that would be done if there was time … Hi Heel Sneakers, Baby Please Don’t Go, Can’t Judge A Book By The Cover. They didn’t even rehearse those because they’ve all been playing for fifty years and they didn’t need to.

And for The Band, that distinction was true of Java Blues, Caldonia, Willie & The Hand Jive, Crazy Mama, Stuff You Gotta Watch, Back to Memphis etc. When they played Cambridge, the soundcheck was just Richard Bell, Jim Weider and Randy Ciarlante. The original guys didn’t soundcheck. In my memory, when you had a couple of hours in the hall, that was when you played around with arrangements and worked in new songs.

I used to think that obviously they dropped Richard’s lead vocals, but Rick took over on The Shape I’m In and I Shall Be Released, and to me Rick could sing anything anyway. Randy Ciarlante sang lead on Chest Fever. So it was choice to avoid the songs with more complex arrangements.

They were also very rigid (because they didn't devote time to expanding their set list). Friends saw two different Judy Collins shows to me this month, and the set list was very different. Van Morrison used to have a core of songs for a tour, but from night to night could change 30 to 40% of the set. It keeps it fresh rather than just churning stuff out. Rick used to looked bored to distraction on Crazy Mama.

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Dunc

Bill M, I can’t help you as I am not active at any sessions just now. My friend and his wife were semi pro traditional musicians and I would attend several great sessions every year for years. They spent their holidays playing In Ireland every year and retired there to a beautiful country area. The sessions I went to had guitars, fiddles, banjo, flute, whistles, bodhrain and spoons. I miss the sessions, but the players are all in their late sixties and seventies now.

I spent a couple of hours this weekend playing Dusty Springfield backed by Madeleine Bell and Lesley Duncan.

Thanks, Peter. I didn’t know about him at all.

When Richard got sober, I read he practised piano hard.

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Rod

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Wallsend

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Pat B

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Rod

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Rod

Somewhere I read that there was talk of a Band, Grateful Dead , Dylan tour. From what I can remember The Band's manager at the time turned it down "because we'll be doing our own album around then". No idea where I read that but I'm sure it was the early eighties.

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Pat B

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Pat B

For a group whose greatest strength was the music, to come back into the public eye with a setlist that included Blaze of Glory, Milk Cow Boogie, Voo Doo Music, You Don't Know Me, Caledonia, Java Blues, Willie & The Hand Jive, Back To Memphis, Short Fat Fanny, and When I Get My Just Rewards, all at the expense of the list I posted, is in my mind a gigantic lost opportunity. I would hazard a guess that Richard felt similarly.

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Jon Lyness

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Wallsend

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Jon Lyness

Pat, I’ve seen those Richard quotes before. I’m intrigued when he says “...in just this last year and a half I've seen millions of dollars go by...doors open, but we haven't taken advantage of it.” I would think he is talking about specific offers that were on the table for the 80s Band that were not pursued, beyond the setlist issues. Any idea?

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Pat B

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Pat B

The Rick-Richard two man shows and solo shows mostly avoided the generic blues stuff and included any number of Band songs: Unfaithful Servant, The Rumor, Share Your Love, Across The Great Divide, Georgia, Twilight, Lovin You, Christmas must Be Tonight. Probably because Richard could cover more complicated material on the piano. However the reconstituted Band of 1983 on never touched these songs. Consider songs the OQ did live that never resurfaced after 1976: We Can Talk, Tears of Rage, To Kingdom Come, Ain't No More Cane, Dontcha Tell Henry, Jemima Surrender, When You Awake, Rockin' Chair, Strawberry Wine, Look Out Cleveland, All La Glory, Just Another Whistle Stop, Time To Kill, Shoot Out In Chinatown, Smoke Signal, Where Do We Go From Here, Endless Highway, Saved, Forbidden Fruit, Ring Your Bell, In A Station. Oh yeah, Dixie.

Richard, 1985: Well, I sobered up and I pay a lot closer attention when I realize what we (The reconstituted Band) threw away. We didn't really throw it away, we benched it and in just this last year and a half I've seen millions of dollars go by...doors open, but we haven't taken advantage of it. That's why I'm irked to the point of just saying, 'Fellas, this is it, I'm going on with my own career.'

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Wallsend

This seems to be the most credible explanation I have heard and from someone with first hand knowledge.

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JQ

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JQ

NWC - I won one of those, maybe 2004/05. I don’t recall the question but I got Garth’s Sea to the North CD signed by he and Maude. I’m going to dig it out today.

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Good old times

At my latest visit in my hometown I got THIS GREAT IDEA: why not gather our school-boy band once again and play all these songs. Once again. Before we all will die. Our band leader kept on playing and is now a producent with an own recording studio. Why not play all those songs? Once again!? Maybe make a CD? For all times sake? Yes!!!

This is how it was: snow never melted under my bass ampifier in our rehearsel local in the deep woods. Organ player had his vodka bottle well-protected. When he got really going, there was NO LIMIT for him: he disn't want to risk his bottle. Even on a quiet Sunday afternoon. I sat by his amplifier to the right of him. PLAYING OUT LOUD!!! (Maybe you have heard that before...) Never had the heart to tell him that I had earplugs.

We started with a boogie: "Humbugie Boogie". Followed by "Who'll Stop The Train" from CCR. Followed by "Hey Joe", a 'fiesta' for an amateur bass player like me: "/Blamp-blamp-blamp-blamp / blamp-blamp-blamp-blamp / Blamp-Blamp-blamp-blamp / Blamp-blamp-blamp-blamp / dang --- da-dang---da-dang-da dang-- da-dang-dang. And so own.

Is it a good thing to do? Is it better to let it be? Keep the good memories?

I believe so...

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Bill M

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Christmas Quiz

I have not received any answers to my Christmas Quiz, yet ... mainly because I did not post an email address. Old-timers remember surely when a valid email address was an essential part of a post to gb.

Reminds me of Paul Simon: " A time it was, and what a time it was, it was / A time of innocence / A time of confidence."

...and now I am preparing myself to celebrate Brexit with fish and chips and a Beef**ter with lemon juice!

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Mike Nomad

Hi, Ray. Just discovered that the old email address I have for you is no longer viable. I was trying to reach you about a matter. Perhaps you can give me a shout. I'm assuming you may still have my old gmail address.

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Peter V

Subject: St. Peter

Link to John Wetton's first published composition. St Peter by Mogul Thrash.

To add some interest, it was co-written by John with Alan Gorrie of Average White Band / Forever More.

Roger Ball and Malcolm Duncan of Average White Band on saxs.

For Bill M, Mike Rosen is on trumpet.

For others, Brian Auger plays the piano, as well as producing it.

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Peter V

As it happens, I'm due to see Roger Chapman next week, billed as "Roger Chapman, Family & Friends." John guested on some of his solo stuff. In fact the last time I saw him was with John when John was in Family and we all had spaghetti bolognese cooked by myself.

The contracts thing was extricating John from his Mogul Thrash contract, I believe.

"Hutch" was John Hutch HutchINson, a guy who worked with David Bowie extensively around and after the first album time (not my pal Hutch … who is spelled HutchEson, who was in three bands with John Wetton)

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Dunc

Subject: Peter, Bill M

Coincidentally, I played Fearless by Family yesterday, Peter. John Wetton is credited with guitars, vocals, contracts and keyboards. Contracts? Also guitars rather than bass. I watched Spanish Tide on YouTube too. John Wetton singing and carrying that huge guitar with two frets. I love Family and definitely a British sound. A couple of times over the years, I’ve read that John is seen as having a big input into this album.

I really only knew two brilliant songs by Lesley Duncan up until about two years ago, Bill M. And knew somebody who had her first album, back in the day. I have her first two albums and bought the later three albums in a wee boxed set yesterday. It’s an amazing story. She grew up with the British pop story. Yesterday I watched clips of a 1963 film where she supported Marty Wilde, Joe Brown and Susan Maughn, she was a sixties singer, backing vocals with singers like Madeleine Bell on hundreds of albums, mentored David Bowie, Beverley Martin taught her guitar, knew Hendrix, shared a flat with Alex Harvey’s wife, then became a singer songwriter. For many years, I thought Love Song was one of Elton John and Bernie Taupin’s best compositions.

I think I am now two BARK albums behind, Bill.

Peter, yesterday I came across a version of Love Song where David Bowie and Lesley Duncan back a lead singer ‘Hutch’ in 1968. I tried to find out who ‘Hutch’ is, but got nowhere. Any thoughts?

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Christmas quiz

I have noticed that this gb has not had a CHRISTMAS QUIZ for years. Shame on you! Old-timers still remember these, right? This is a gb-related quiz for the year 2019.

First question: Jan Hoiberg is connected to ducks, in what way?

(1) He is playing banjo in a pic which can be seen on this site. Everybody knows that. But he can be seen playing banjo even in Tennessee Duck Hunting video from the year 2016.

(X) Jan the man had a grandfather named "Drond", a common name in Norway. In America he used the name "Donald". Family members in Norway called him for "Donald DUCK".

(2) The address to Donald Duck series in the sixties in Finland was "Korkeavuorenkatu". Korkeavuori means "Hoiberg".

Second: (Cencored by ms NorthWestCoaster)

Third: Peter V belives that Christmas ends and the Christmas tree will be - brutally and unshamesly - dropped to a dark and gloomy place in horrible way. But when?

(1) At the New year.

(X) At the Twelth Night.

(2) At the Chandelier the 2 February.

Last but not least: What is (or was) WESTCOASTER?

(1) A burger from Monterey peninsula made of testicles of an otter.

(X) A boat.

(2) A nickname to mountain bikes from Mount Tamalpais in Marin County.

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Rod

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Peter V

On bass guitars, I was with the late John Wetton at a gig in Southampton. Another musician on the bill asked how much his Ibanez bass guitar and acoustic guitars had cost. John was embarrassed and admitted, ‘I have no idea. They just give them to me. I get the latest model every year.’

So that’s why Dylan is pictured with Fenders.

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Bill M

Dunc: "King of This World" is out "this week" on Warner. At least one song's on YouTube.

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Peter V

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Dag B.

Subject: Fender photos

There are many...

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Dag B.

Subject: Fender

The Fender bass photos were most likely taken at Columbia Studios, NYC on November 30, 1965, which was at a session with the Hawks (minus Levon, who had left a day or two earlier)

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Peter V

I believe the bass photo was done by Fender along with Stratocaster photos for publicity.

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Rod

I thought I read somewhere that that Rick used that bass on the Dylan tours. There are pics of Rick playing a Jazz bass with the Hawks but it doesn't have the chrome guard over the pickup and it looks more beat up.

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Bill M

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Dunc

That explains it Peter. Spot on. Never knew about the French ep.

Saw the John and Yoko print. That’s my favourite street in Scotland.

Thanks Bill M. I’m not a big expert on Lesley Duncan, but always knew the two famous songs. Taken by Alzheimer’s far too young.

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Peter V

Subject: I Want You EP

Link to a site with a picture of the French EP. French EPs are becoming very collectable. First they had good cover art, and also the French branch of EMI (Odeon) used to package two singles as an EP insted of issuing singles. I have a whole strip of them on the wall. The titles help. I like "Surfin; With The Searchers" not usually listed as a surf group, and Keep On Running by Spencer Davis Group, with "Special Jerk" on a title strip over the drummer. Then there's Les Beatles with hangman's nooses.

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Peter V

I’ll explain the artistic licence, Dunc. There’s a famous photo of Dylan with a Fender bass guitar. It’s also the cover picture of the French EP of “I Want You” which I have on my office wall (one of twenty EPs in hanging plastic display things as used in secondhand stores). Not only that, I have a drawing based on the picture of Dylan with bass by Charlotte Farmer. It was a limited edition print. The shop where I bought it had John & Yoko in the same style. As soon as I saw Bob on the wall, I went back to buy the John & Yoko but it had gone. You can see the John & Yoko on … guess what? Edinburghart dot com. It’s “out of stock”

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Bill M

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Dunc

Don’t know any of these bands, Nux. Although I did see Blondie Chaplin with the Stones..

A slightly older friend attended the Edinburgh concert, Bill M, with his younger brother now sadly deceased, and we were talking about the concert earlier in the year. He is a great Dylan fan and feels disappointed that he didn’t like the change in Dylan at the time - Music he now loves, whereas his brother loved every part of the show. My friend is now a leading Scottish artist and he did an etching of tithe audience of the show. There is a bit of artistic licence in the etching in that he gives Dylan a bass guitar and the words of I Want You are etched into the print. But as an historical record, the make up of the crowd is interesting. Many people in the audience are older and not a pop/rock crowd.

Drug of choice up here was always, alcohol. Sounds a great teacher, Bill M. Didn’t know that about Kiki Dee, Bill M, but she certainly did backing vocals for Kiki Dee. When reading about Lesley Duncan, many people covered her work and over 150 artists have covered Love Song.

There is a Canadian link in that Neil Young and Elton John do a version of Love Song for a Bridge School benefit. If you google, you’ll get it on YouTube, but it is not a great recording. I think you and John D would find it interesting.

And there is a Band link. There is great musicianship on the first two albums and I have read a couple of times that the use of organ was influenced by the Band.

Enjoying exploring the music still, but if I could only take one album to the desert island, it would still be the Brown Album. If I could make one difference to the Brown Album, it would be that Get Up Jake would be on the original. I play the remastered CD just now.

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Bill M

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Dag B.

Subject: Richard?

The Richard might be Richard Alderson, the sound guy. Link: "Bob Dylan - The 1966 Live Recordings: The Untold Story Behind The Recordings"

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Bill M

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Bill M

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Jon Lyness

I saw Blondie Chaplin a few months ago as part of Brian Wilson's current touring lineup. He still sounds and plays great. Super high energy.

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JQ

I just listened to the Flames’ take followed by Jerry “The Iceman” Butler’s. Both memories are rekindled and both still shiver me timbers. I think my intro to the Flames was similar to Bill M’s; it was quite a few years after that LP came out, maybe into the 80’s. Did Richard M ever take a swing at that song?

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NUX

BILL M

The band was originally formed in 1963 by guitarist Steve Fataar, bassist Brother Fataar (real name Edries Fataar), drummer George Faber and guitarist Eugene Champion. However, this line-up would only be together to record a couple of songs. Ricky Fataar replaced George Faber as the band's drummer around 1964 and Edries Fredericks replaced Eugene Champion as the guitarist. Baby Duval briefly replaced Edries Fredericks in 1967, although it is unclear whether he was involved in any of the recordings that were released. Blondie Chaplin then replaced Baby Duval in 1967. This was to be the line-up from 1967 until their demise as a group in 1970

Steve Fataar has confirmed that Baby Duval is featured as a performer on the Flames second album That's Enough, which was released in early 1967. Steve passed away in January 2020.

In 1970, they recorded the only non-Beach Boys album on the Brother records label, produced by Carl Wilson under the name "The Flame" (to avoid confusion with James Brown's The Famous Flames) In 1972 Ricky Fataar and Blondie Chaplin joined The Beach Boys.

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Bill M

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Peter V

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NUX

Wow Peter,that pricing(amazon)is truly ridiculous!! Burning Soul and Soulfire are great albums.I think Ricky Fataar was 10 or 12 years old when they recorded this(I could be exaggerating).You can hear his innocent little voice on some of the songs.The real treasure though is the album of originals titled"See The Light" produced by Carl Wilson(I think)I don't have a copy but it is on youtube...amazing stuff.

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Peter v

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Peter V

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Peter V

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nux

Steve Fataar – semi-legendary South African musician, once in the Flames (known thereafter, if briefly, for international release as the Flame), certainly one of the great SA rock ’n’ soul groups – group members Blondie Chaplin and Steve’s brother Ricky Fataar went on to lend their considerable chops to the Beach Boys, Brian Wilson, the Rolling Stones, The Band, Rick Danko, Bonnie Raitt, the Rutles and even Skollie - Steve, whose is the voice introducing Blondie at the beginning of the Flames’ iconic For Your Precious Love, came back to Durban where he has been a huge and wise musical influence to many local players for many years … a truly lovely man.

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Dag B.

Subject: The Queen Says "No" To Pot-Smoking FBI Members

They're making a new film from the "Let It Be" footage (see link) so that's probably the next Beatles release.

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Bill M

Peter V: I'm sure the son thanks you for not having found inspiration in Elton's "Levon".

Note to Dag: My first paragraph inspires me to suggest that someone with technical skills and a love for both the Band and the Beatles could do one heck of a mash-up with Maxwell and Daniel and their sacred tools.

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Peter V

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John D

My wife never ever reads music bios. Elton was her first and she loved it!

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John D

Peter have you heard anything about what might be Giles Martin's next project? I'm hoping it will be Rubber Soul. He could make it a twofer and do Revolver as well.

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Peter V

It was half price in Tesco or one of other big supermarkets last week.

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Dunc

Subject: Old and tired

Actually, Wallsend, I feel old and tired after the three nights babysitting, I have just completed.

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Dunc

Check out Lesley Duncan’s version of Love Song, Wallsend. Wish I had been at the concert. The early albums are great ...and I had neglected them for years.Thanks.

I was thinking about your thoughts relating to Bobbie Gentry, Peter when I was reading about Lesley Duncan. She also didn’t like to dress as she was expected to when she was a sixties singer and it put her off. She had a following when she became a singer songwriter, but the hit album like the hit single eluded her. She retired to Mull...you could do worse...but died too young with Alzheimer’s. I’ll get the Elton book. Thanks.

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Wallsend

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Peter V

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Peter V

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Dunc

Subject: Anglicana

Hi Northwestcoaster. Some very interesting posts recently.

I’m firmly in the world of Anglicana just now, so last five played.

Not played Elton John for years, but have returned to the early Elton John - such a great singer songwriter. I went off him during the drug crazed years.

Elton John Elton John. To me Your song is still as brilliant as ever.

Elton John Don’t Shoot Me I’m Only The Piano Player. Daniel might be my favourite Elton John song.

The Beatles Abbey Road Played this brilliant album over and over. Maxwell’s Silver Hammer is a piece of brilliance - often by passed.

Paul McCartney and Wings Wild Life

Lesley Duncan - Sing Children Sing. You may not know of her, but you’ll probably have her as a backing singer from Dark Side of the Moon to Dusty Springfield to Dave Clark Five. Started off as a sixties pop girl the reinvented herself as a singer songwriter. Supported by Bowie and Elton John, but couldn’t get the hit. I think Chain of Love and Love Song are two of the great English songs from a singer songwriter.

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Jon Lyness

Nice review, Peter. Too bad though about Jonas Fjeld. Coincidentally, I'll be seeing Eric Andersen at a club tomorrow night. I used to see him perform here all the time in the 90s/00s, but it's been ages. I'm sure when he sings Blue River it will stir fond memories of Rick and DFA.

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Peter V

Subject: Judy Collins review

Not many shows start at 5 p.m. on Sunday afternoon. It was supposed to be the “Winter Stories” album tour with the great Norwegian folk singer, Jonas Fjeld - of Danko / Fjeld / Anderson. He had to drop out because of family illness, which disappointed me … they work so well together on the album. But a Judy Collins show is always superb, and at 79 she still has that magic voice.

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Norm J

Subject: Reference

Sure Peter.

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Peter V

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Norm J

Subject: The Trap

Peter the old steam tug boat "Master" in the movie was manned by my older brother Buddy and other tow boat guys out of Gibson's. That part of the filmed was on location around Bowen Island in Howe Sound. The rest of the film in snow and forest was filmed at Birkenhead Lake Park between Pemberton and Lillouette.

I saw the film at the old theater in Port Alice in '66. The plot was that the trapper accidently stepped in a trap when threatened by a bear. After getting loose and making his way back to his cabin his wife "Rita Tushingham" had to cut his foot off.

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Peter V

Subject: The Trap

The 1960s film retrospectives series continues with The Trap from 1966. Starring Oliver Reed and Rita Tushingham … and a canoe, some snow and some wolves, a bear and a cougar basically. Set in British Columbia, Reed is a fur trapper known as La Bete, and Tushingham is the mute wife he has purchased.

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Georgia

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Norm J

Subject: Foxes & Fossils

I forgot to mention this band and I'm wondering if anyone has watched their youtube videos? These people are incredible for their harmony and their playing and particularly the sound they are producing.

They are on a stage in what looks like a small room. They sing Judy Blue Eyes and Monday Monday. Both of these songs are quite difficult songs to produce the sound they do.

The foxes are two beautiful young ladies and the fossils are three middle aged guys, (two guitars and bass). Try a listen they are great.

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Norm J

Subject: Grace Potter

While enjoying some youtube favourites this morning I came upon this video I guess has been gone for a few years and has resurfaced. Grace is playing the organ and singing "I Shall Be Released" at the Love For Levon concert.

Pretty special moment.

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: My previous post: East Virginia / The Islanders

Before you laugh too much: This was a hit in Japanese sailors' restaurants in the sixties. Probably it is a hit still in karaoke bars.

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Islanders

Good to see NORM J mentiosn here 'Islanders' ... but this is WRONG 'Islanders'. The real 'Islanders' comes from my Finnish hometown. Just google 'Danny & The Islanders' and 'East Virginia' from 1964.

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Norm J

Subject: Islanders

I wasn't aware Peter although there was a big t-do when they visited here. Victoria is very pretty tho' isn't it? It is still quite English so probably suites those young folks.

I can't get over how the news media has to go on about them. It would be nicer for them if they were left alone for a time to enjoy their life. I noticed on a news piece I read the other day, Hugh Grant stood up very strongly for young Harry. I'm sure we'd be glad to have them.

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Joe Frey

Thank you Dag B., I love it. What a great job. Joe

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Norm J

Subject: Try Again

Hi Dag. I have it on my browser of course but I notice they made some changes. It's much bigger now. So you have to google heavyequipmentforumsdotcom I have to put the dotcom this way or Jan's system kicks you out.

When you get on the site there is a lot more to see now. You need to scroll through a lot of choices until you come to forestry operations. Click on forestry operations and scroll until you come to west coast logging camps, shops barges etc. and click on that site and then you have a library of posts from a lot of people with pictures, some of them very ancient and beautiful in the history of logging. I hope it works for you it is well worth the time.

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: My first banjo

So. I grabbed this ol' banjo of mine behind abandoned Christmas decorations. I played chorus A minor: "dingle ding di ding" and then C mayor with the words: "Virgil Name was my game ... errr ... Virgil Fame was my name "... errr ... better to play 'Ol' Time Religion'!

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Banjo / Celtic music

Praise the Lord! He showed me the Sign. - When visiting my hometown in Finland I saw that the record store where I purchased 'Music From Big Pink' had moved only for a few hundred meters. It was there I purchased my first banjo. This 4-string banjo has been in our basement behind Christmas decorations. Forgotten for 40 years.

Back then I was a poor student, now I am a wealthy man. I can buy a banjo with Earl Scruggs plate on it if I want to. "Do it now, you can afford it, in the meantime play this first banjo, ... 'Wild Moutain Thyme' or something", said my dear spouse. When I put our Christmas decoration back I saw THIS banjo: an angel from our 70's decoration leaned on it... her eyes looked DIRECTLY at mine. I took this ol' banjo and played a few accord. (Somehow, I knew a miracle will happen):

This banjo WAS IN TUNE, fellow gbers! IN TUNE, after 40 years! Who had kept it in tune? An angel for sure.

Ain't no reason to go to town, ain't no reason to buy a banjo. Hallelujah.

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Mike Nomad

Thanks to Bill M for that excerpt from Gary and Patti Lee’s chronicle of Buffalo’s music scene in the ‘60s and ‘70s. It was a hoppin’ town even when I lived nearby in the (gasp!) 1950s with the emergence of rock. Levon had a close relationship with the owners of the Tralfamadore (“the Tralf”) and, I was told, was always welcomed warmly by patrons when the Hawks occasionally showed up. I was there a few times myself before moving away, although I did manage to catch Levon and the Barn Burners there around 2001, with Amy Helm also on hand.

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Dag B.

Subject: Georgia

The Band and Ray Charles were in different keys on "Georgia On My Mind" so I had to speed The Band up and slow Ray down to get them to match.

Norm: I was unable to find that site...

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Peter V

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Rod

great work Dag. Must say I prefer Levon's vocals

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Bill M

"In 1983 Stan and the Ravens reformed. … There was also a series of high energy gigs with Stan's old friends and band mates, Levon Helm, Rick Danko, Garth Hudson and Richard Manuel. Stan and the Ravens were the openers. The old train station on Memorial Drive, in one of its last hurrahs, hosted one of these events. The setting was exquisite and provided a nostalgic backdrop for this gala performance. The crowd was festive. There was dancing in the aisles and people roamed the hall studying the architecture and the beautiful layout of this Buffalo jewel. Interesting to note that, although Robbie Robertson had parted from the Band by then, the back cover of his first solo album, 'Robbie Robertson', is a washed out smoky image of a building structure. It is a photograph of the outside of this train terminal.

"Stan and the Ravens also shared another evening with the Levon Helm Band at the Tralfamadore Café and on another occasion were Helm's backing band at The Sky Room on Abbott Road. At both of these gigs Stan's father paid a visit and sat in on violin."

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Norm J

Subject: Heavy Equipment

Dag, I was just talking to a friend of mine by messenger on Facebook. he is a logger, (named George Harrison) played the drums with me for years when he was a kid.

Anyway it got me to remembering something that may interest you in the work you have done. On line here you can find a sight called heavy equipmentdotcalm. All over the world there are many of us, loggers, construction workers amoung other things. Some time back I hooked up with friends I have in Norway who had come to work out here in the 60's in the logging camps and then returned home.

If you are able to access the sight, my handle on there was "tugman" you would get to see many pictures I have posted of my tug with barge loads of logging equipment, helicopter logging etc. There are also many loggers in New Zealand who have used equipment from out operations that have been purchased and taken down there to log. It is a very interesting sight.

To see many of the pictures there is a thread entitled "West Coast Camps and barges". I also found a very good friend now in Cape Town, South Africa thru' that sight. I had to change the actual address hope you get it Johnny Cash just threatened and terrified me.

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JQ

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Peter V

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JQ

I think Peter V brought up this Norwegian TV series. It’s plausible enough to leave me nervous every time. I think I’m about 2/3 of the way through. Set in the present it brings it all to the point of major international distress. Top notch I’d say. I’ve never been to Norway but I still hope to; it’s been on my list for a couple decades. Although the last thing they need is a bunch of American refugees escaping after Trump’s re-election..

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Norm J

Subject: Norway

Dag, thank you for being candid. Interestingly I have been spending a lot of time in Norway on google earth. The reason being I have been watching Netflix. There is a documentary show entitled "The World's Most Extraordinary Homes". Some of the most beautiful homes built in Norway on cliffs and islands much like our coast. Also a comedy series called "Norsemen" very different.

One small cottage a couple built on an island barely more than a rock. There had been a boat house there. They had this cottage pre fabbed and brought in by barge and with a 200 ton crane lifted it and set it in place and anchored it. As it usually does in these situations a storm came up and these poor fellows were welding while pretty heavy waves were breaking on them. As it is the kind of thing I've done for years it was very interesting to me and I felt for them as they worked.

This cottage was really something. It had big roll back walls that covered all the windows and opening for weather. But when it was calm and they rolled it all open it was very beautiful.

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Peter V

Many thanks, Dag. That worked. Brilliant – I see it’s exactly the same length as Ray’s original, 3m 33s. I got fascinated by later Ray Charles originally after doing a tour with a publishing rep who was a great Ray fan and we hit used vinyl stores in every city. Then the Toppermost on Ray Charles stops at You Don’t Know Me, thus skipping many albums, which is sad.

You could do it the other way, Dag and put Rick’s vocal on Wish You Were Here tonight onto Ray’s backing!

Having read about Ophelia this morning, what did I see at my local used vinyl store today but Ray’s “The Volcanic Action of My Soul.” I got it. It is a difficult period because he is only into covers, and to be frank, Ray does not do Beatles songs well. For a further Band link, it includes What Am I Living For.

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Glenn

Here are the albums I've listened to this week: Rolling Stones: Black & Blue, Emotional Rescue; Bryan Ferry: Dylanesque; Monkees: Headquarters and Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn, Jones, Ltd; Beach Boys: Today!/Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!); Norah Jones: Begin Again.

Have a great weekend everybody!

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Dag B.

Subject: Ophelia

Here's another link.

Pat B: Used a site called moises.ai to isolate, slowed down the speed of the vocals a bit (without losing the pitch) with Cool Edit Pro, then matched the vocals and instrumentation up with the Garageband app on an iPad.

Norm J: I'm in Norway, have been a construction worker, welder, factory worker, now I've found my calling and work in a used bookstore.

I'm a Pisces and I enjoy Bob Dylan, The Band, The Beatles, quiet evenings at home and long walks on the beach.

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Peter V

I'm fascinated, but on my Mac nothing happens at all when I press play.

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Pat B

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Jon Lyness

Different strokes for different folks re Robbie solo... I've really been enjoying Sinematic, and for me How to Become Clairvoyant (his previous album) has stood the test of time.

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Norm J

Subject: Ophelia

Wonderful job. Thank you for that Dag. Interesting to know where you are and what your profession is. I expect you are a historian of more than the band.

You just did a great workup of my all time favourite Band song with one of my all time favourite artists in Ray Charles.

Listening to this tune again brings some nostalgia for me. My best band I ever had together was common to the Band in one way. Four of us were Canadian with one American boy. Rick Leather lead guitar was from Toronto. Joel Sack on bass was from Montreal. Lorne Burns on drums was from Saskatchewan. Rick Dunn on guitar and steel was from Spartanberg South Carolina and I from Vancouver island. A great lot of fun for a few years. We had a pretty good feel on covering some of those songs particularly Ophelia.

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Joe Frey

Wow, that was great. I loved it. Now you need to do a duet between Brother Ray and Richard on Georgia and You Don't Know me. Two of my favorite covers by the boys.

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Wallsend

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Wallsend

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Dag B.

Subject: Ray Charles & The Band

I found Ray Charles' version of Ophelia a bit disappointing, so I made this just to see what it would sound like with The Band backing him.

Apologies to Brother Ray, The Band and all the fellas.

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Joe Frey

Well, that answered my streaming question. Thanks.

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Jon Lyness

Cool! Great trailer, really captures the film well.

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Pat B

Once Were Brothers trailer.

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Really good posts here lately

WALLSEND is the man of this week!. Good posts on war, Peter and Norm J. Good posts on Trump, Norm J. (He - Trump - didn't ask ME before this ... uhhhmmm ... ) I haven't listened to anything Band related for years. Still I found this place great! (Actually, I listen to Celtic music and Appalachian Mountain hymns, only).

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Dunc

Thanks, Derek. Though it would be almost impossible to replicate the songwriting of the Band, I think a lot of Robbie’s solo work is very good too. But as many people on here have posted over the years, he does move on.

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Dag B.

"Levon Helm: From Down in the Delta to the Birth of The Band and Beyond will be the first full-length, penetrating biography of this versatile musician and actor. His autobiography presented the story as seen only by Helm, his closest friends and loved ones. Tooze’s book expands that perspective stepping back and take an all-inclusive view — warts and all. It will be an objective, balanced portrayal."

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Jon Lyness

Ah, got it, thanks! Looking forward. “LEVON” is a great title... there really is only one.

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Wallsend

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Jon Lyness

Wallsend, what is the Levon biography coming out this year? Not seeing anything at a glance but would love more info.

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Peter V

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Rod

Wallsend, we all have our fascinations. Mine is the Shangri-la years - even though most of their best music pre-dates that.

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Wallsend

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Lisa

Congrats Wallsend - I thought if anyone could find it it would be you!

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Wallsend

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Bonk

Lisa. Wasn't that the same interview where Libby said that Levon and Robbie were so close at one time that they finished each others sentences. And that the rift started long before TLW. I can't find it either but I'm sure it was when Levon passed.

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Pat B

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Peter V

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Derek

I have just about everything The Band released officially and love it all. I could never get into anything Robbie ever released as a solo artist. In fact, most of his solo work makes me cringe. Am I missing something? Just think its weird how I enjoy The Band so much with him being the primary writer but can't stand his solo work.

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Joe Frey

Any intel as to whether OWB will be picked up by one of the streaming services? joe

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Bill M

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Robbie and Rick

Reading Carol Caffin's lovely compilation of remembrances of Rick Danko from ten years back, linked from Jan's What's New page. This quote from Robbie caught my eye, perhaps a bit more poignant in light of our chat about the Robbie/Levon dynamic:

"Rick was the most outgoing, spiritually uplifting member of The Band. A lot of times when I would come up with an idea or a new song, it was Rick that I was most anxious to share it with first. His enthusiasm and encouragement often gave me something I needed to fulfill those ideas."

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Peter V

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Dag B.

Subject: 1970 trouble

From the Northwest Arkansas Times, August 17, 1970. Don't recall if this was mentioned in Levon's book.

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Wallsend

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Pat B

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Rod

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Peter V

There are always leadership issues in bands. The three greatest all had a tension between two potential leaders … Lennon & McCartney, Jagger & Richards, Helm & Robertson. Perhaps having two in competition was a catalyst which lifted them up. Look at Dag’s pics from 1964 / 45 … Levon Helm & The Hawks, Levon & The Hawks. Bands had official Musician Union "leaders" and it was Levon. Go on to all the post-1968 interviews … Robbie is the spokesperson every time. Yes, it obviously went from Levon’s band to Robbie’s band. When Levon came back first he probably couldn’t believe his luck at the invitation … then he realized his importance and began to re-assert himself. But Robbie was writing the songs.

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Lisa

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Bill M

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Jon Lyness

Lisa, makes sense. Someone here (Peter?) made an observation once that always stayed with me, that The Hawks were Levon's band but The Band became Robbie's band. I think that shift in leadership was going to be extremely tricky to navigate even without all the other factors.

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Lisa

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Bill M

That said, I think there's still a place for a project that will project the Band farther into the 2020s. It doesn't have to be Robbie's, but it does have to appear soon, when a decent proportion of the original fanbase is still aboveground with the ability to see, hear and relate.

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Re: Once Were Brothers

As a counterpoint to Ari's comments, I really enjoyed Once Were Brothers and actually found it quite moving. The project evolved out of Robbie's autobiography and it is certainly, intentionally told from his point of view. On some level, it is unusual for a music documentary in that it really is more about his personal experience going from a bumpy childhood to The Hawks to The Band, where the band members became almost a surrogate family for Robbie until things started to fall apart. I found it surprisingly relatable, as at its heart it's a pretty universal story about people coming together creatively and then drifting apart.

In some ways, I agree with Ari that the film does seem more like a project for existing fans than new fans. There is less concert footage than you'd expect, and little time spent on any of the studio material after 1969 which is slightly annoying. But for me, the film finds fresh ways of looking at very familiar material... from Robbie's unique viewpoint on the Dylan tours and the Band years, to the use of studio demos and alternate versions of the classic songs as background music. The editing is modern and playful and keeps things lively.

The film goes painfully through the later years when drugs and alcohol took a heavy toll on their personal and music relationships...and you feel that it's not something that sprung up after the first two albums, but was in the DNA of the group to begin with. Dominique (Robbie's ex-wife) is a fresh perspective as someone who was close to the band in the Woodstock period, narrowly surviving a car crash with a Band member at the wheel. She later became a substance abuse counselor, and her comments on what she saw happen to the group are quite interesting. It's hard not to feel like Robbie is answering some of the criticism that's been piled on him over the years, saying "this was what it felt like to be in the middle of this chaos... this is my side of what happened". It's also emphasized that Robbie did believe The Band would continue as a musical unit in some form after The Last Waltz, but some mix of miscommunication, bad feelings and everyone going off in different directions ended up scuttling that.

Rick, Richard and Garth each get some screen time and there is warm testimony to their talents. (Richard in particular is definitely featured more than in The Last Waltz.) But the focus of the film in the end seems to be the relationship between Robbie and Levon... which was the beating heart of The Hawks and the early years of The Band, then fractured and never recovered...and ends on a poignant note with Levon's death in 2012. We hear Levon tear into Ophelia as the credits roll.

Honestly, I hope everyone here can see the film at some point. It's hard to imagine you wouldn't get something out of it.

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Wallsend

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Ari

In lighter news I just released my first album produced by Rob Fraboni who I ran into at BB Kings at a Richard Manuel tribute a couple years ago. I would never have known him without this site and told him about the guestbook. It’s called Music from Moontown.

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Ari

Subject: Sorry

Not much of a fan of Once We’re Brothers. At some point it just feels like a slideshow of the same story we all know so well. Don’t think it will carry The Band into the next generation, it’s not engaging and viewers will wonder why a movie about a Band focuses so heavily on only one member.I couldn’t believe they didn’t have more footage, a lot the footage edited reusing footage from Within the same performance. There is plenty of footage from Festival Express that could have been used. Some footage from the film seemed to be out of focus black and white nonsense of people running around to fill the dead space. I saw with Robbie there and he seemed half engaged. Still love the guy, but this really is a low grade movie with a couple great interview subjects (but uninteresting actual interviews.)

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Eric Andersen / Blue River

Folks, try "eric andersen blue river etown" on YouTube to hear a lovely live performance of Blue River. Eric is accompanied by Scarlet Rivera, the violinist famous for her sound on Dylan's Rolling Thunder tour.

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Norm J

Subject: The Campaign

I'm reading this morning the Trump campaign has over 800 adds on face book using the killing of the Iranian man as a prop up for election. Was there any doubt of the purpose.

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Bill M

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Wallsend

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Rod

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joe j

Happy New Year to all

Downloaded Spotify.

Listening to Karen Dalton.

Sipping Lagavulin.

Gonna be a granddad.

Life is good.

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Norm J

Subject: War & Idiots

As far as war goes we have a perfect example of the kind of idiot that is a war monger and causes war. The fool that is the president of the USA is the perfect example.

There is an expression that is as old as time. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." No man (who really is a man) comfortable in his own skin needs to go about threatening, abusing, lying and ridiculing others.

The threat I watched the other day "We will attack Iran with all our deadly force and our big new beautiful equipment that has just been built." Very obviously this fool is itching to try out his big new equipment. Don't forget how he wanted to parade it for the whole world to see because he is jealous of France and the other idiot in North Korea showing off their boy toys.

Now he has killed this Iranian hoping to get the response he saw when Bin Laden was terminated. Wants his adoration and praise and a feather in his base ball hat for his next election. The reasons for Bin Laden and the Iranian are far different. Trump's reasons that he keeps changing are fabricated bullshit.

This fool we have for a Prime Minister is now very angry with Iran. Those people shot down that plane because they were spooked by the threats and what that idiot USA president did and that is who he should be angry at. He is the cause of most of the turmoil in this world now because of his big mouth and his "tweets."

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Norm J

Subject: There's a difference

Having a keen interest in strategy is like playing chess. It has little to do with a taste for war and killing.

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Peter V

Good question, Lisa. I’m one of a highly privileged British generation who never had to go to war. My dad had to in 1940, and look at the newsreels of Germany invading countries and what they did when they got there, you can see why he had to. He was 28 with a child on the way. My grandfather? I have no idea, but that 1914 generation went to war in a blaze of totally stupid chauvinistic nonsense, but he felt he had to go.

Mostly men go to war because people in power lie to them. Bush, Blair step forward. In 1940, that wasn’t the case. It was stop them or submit to them. I guess the potential that we might have to act as in 1940 is in male DNA. Hence the fascination.

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Lisa

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Norm J

Subject: Not Vikings

I never mentioned Vikings! I referred to "Norsmen".

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Norm J

Subject: The King

You are right in your assessment Peter. I won't ruin it for you at all. I liked the plot. However the story for the most part is pretty accurate to the actual events. I was quite amazed with the production of the battle they of course can do wonderful tricks now with camera and computer to trick us but the battle is very impressive and the tactics are sound.

I have always been very keen to understand tactical planning and maneuvers of battle. I have been a great fan of Ghengis Khan forever. I've spent sleepless nights reading about the man. Most generals to this day consider him the greatest general who ever lived for his tactical warfare and ability to quickly assess and adapt to any situation.

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Peter V

No, I didn't know about it. Sounds like the plot of Shakespeare's Henry IV Part 1 & 2 combined with Henry V. I'll give it a go. Olivier's wartime Henry V was one of the ultimate Shakespeare on film successes.

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: No, not simple like that

You may want to play (C) after that final (G7) in my previous post..

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: The Vikings / Westcoaster

There is a debate going on in Swedish forums where I am a regular. Some academic politically-correct people have tried to make money and fortune by saying that the vikings were vegans, homosexuel (ok, I can buy that), panicked by the climat change, feminists and so on.

Reminds me of JOHN PRINE:

"(C) Throw away the TV,

(C) Throw away the papers,

(F) Try to find Jesus,

(G7) For all your own.

Simple as that! Quit Netflix!

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Norm J

Subject: The King

Peter, have you watched "The King" with the battle of Azincourt?

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Peter V

Subject: 1917 review

Link to my review of Sam Mendes "1917."

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Stan

Well said Glenn!

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Peter V

I loved the idea of gender-balanced, health and safety conscious Vikings. It's very good. While on Netflix and Norway, try "Occupied." We're near the end of Season 1.

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glenn

I finally took some time and listened to the 50th anniversary The Band album on headphones, and again in the car today while doing errands around town. It is the best! My goodness, I thought, this is the album; the best ever by anybody. The musicianship, the arrangements, the vocals, the songwriting; everything works! And I loved hearing the horns a bit more, the use of the harmonica, Rick, Richard and Levon's voices together and apart. And I love hearing Richard's little non-verbal hums and sounds; he's the best. Love both Levon's and Richard's drumming, all of Garth's contributions, and so many wonderful guitar bits and solos by Robbie. Seems to me it has never been bettered as a total album experience. "Now, honey don't be late. I want to be there when THE BAND starts playing..." Indeed!!!!

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Norm J

Subject: Norsemen

I recently took on "NETFLIX". I noticed some shows on there that interested me. I just finished watching the series "The Last Kingdome".

This morning while surfing through what is available I took a look at this comedy series Norsemen. My mouth is still hanging open. Filmed in Norway, mostly Scandinavian and Norwegian cast.

Episode 1 of series 1. They come home from the pillaging and raping voyage. As they are greeted on the beach the Chieftan is trying to greet his wife who was on the trip the warriors are assuring him. She really got into the pillaging and raping, especially the raping. She must have done at least four monks. I can still see her sitting on a monk moaning. She has made herself a necklace of penises from the monks.

Jan! lord thunderin' Jasuz man is this your work!

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Peter V

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John D

Peter; after you mentioned the "live" album; from Cliff Richard & The Shadows, I bought it yesterday; on iTunes. Great stuff.

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jh

Subject: The Peppermint Lounge, Mike Bloomfield, John Hammond and The Hawks!

Link is to an excerpt from "Guitar King: Michael Bloomfield's Life in the Blues", about The Hawks recording with John Hammond during their two-week gig at New York's Peppermint Lounge in 1964. This is the same place that Levon mentions in interviews and in his autobiography, where the club manager insisted they play the twist instead of "this blues shit that will never get you anywhere".

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Dag B.

Subject: AmericanRadioHistory.com

I've spent a lot of time at that site lately, lots of old US & UK music magazines in pdf.

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Peter V

The early Hawks compilation is an astonishing piece of research by Dag. The later Band ones were incredible, but at least they were famous by then. This is small town newspaper stuff! I tried to research this years ago and found almost nothing. We learn too that they were also The Ronnie Hawkins Band and LeVon Helm & The Hawks. I love their agency claim that the show and music of The Hawks is of the type most appealing to “the student set.” Or as a UK promoter would have said “perfect for the college circuit.” A wise move. If it was like the UK, the big money was the “ballroom circuit” and college gigs. Bands would often play a college for £400 on Friday but a presitige London club for £30 on Monday. I guess it was the same.

I looked up The Peppermint Lounge on Wiki, and it opened in 1958 with a capacity of 178. In my experience that would have been legal fire capacity, and clubs normally kept a £5 note on hand for fire inspectors as a contribution to their myopia. Apparently it was known for its gay clientele (they quote Twistin’ The Night Away … where the people are so gay BUT I’m not at all sure "gay" was the term then, still meaning “cheerful” in 1958). It was run by the Genovese family.

I was surprised how small it was – like those prestige London clubs. My friends in semi-pro bands would have been upset to find an audience of less than 400 in 1965, and the ballrooms were 1000 plus.

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Pat B

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Peter V

Some interesting finds yesterday. First Joey Dee & The Starliters, “Doing The Twist At The Peppermint Lounge (LIVE)” in near mint condition. I already had it on LP and CD but at £6 in that condition, I bought it. As Pat B pointed out, The Starliters evolved into The Rascals, so have a very similar career trajectory to The Hawks / The Band from backing a rock star to soulful original material. “Doin’ The Twist …” is also a genuine live recording, unusual for the era so of great historical interest as to what bands sounded like then. Even better is “Live at The ABC Kingston 1962” by Cliff Richard & The Shadows. It was properly and carefully recorded for a live LP which was then shelved for decades before it came out on CD. It’s worth seeking out … it proves The Shadows were really good live.

Then a a few I haven’t played yet. Brian Hyland “Country Meets Folk” from 1964 with “The 21 Strings” – a trio of 12 string guitar, 4 string Fender bass and 5 string banjo. Fascinating selection … Act Naturally, Don’t Think Twice, Folsom Prison Blues, Candy Man, Baby What You Want Me To Do, Jamaica Farewell.

The second Ricky Nelson LP which describes the singer as an “impish tow-headed little wisecracker” it includes My Babe, Good Rockin’ Tonight, and Down The Line, all with James Burton on guitar.

Then Jackie Lomax “Is This What You Want?” on Apple. Rough sleeve, but only £2.50. In better condition it would be £30 to £50.

A very good haul.

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Bill M

Subject: Bruce Bruno

Can't imagine thinking that this style (see link) suits our guys especially well.

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Bill M

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Crazy Chester

{{ Jack Sheldon has died at the age of 88. This is one of the memorable songs he sang on Tom Chapin's Sunday TV show. "I'm Just a Bill from Capitol Hill." }} Schoolhouse Rock!

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: More of The Best of The Best of gbers

The Best of The Best in the Fabulous History of gb.

"Tonight's Special Guest" is my Finnish compatriot KALERVO. He was gb regular in the best days of gb. Actually, on Saturday I drove my car thru Nummela village in Finland where he is living. Never found him, though. - Anyway, he contributed about Carter family and world music. As a free-lance music journalist he published an interview with one of the youngest beautiful and talented daughters in Carter family.

We had controverses: nostalgia and vodka. He lives in real-time, I live in the past. I am a heavy drinker, he has been sober since the seventies. - I surely miss him.

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NWC

where - not were

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Bill M / Nostalgia

Thanks BILL for your post on GILES MARTIN. I don't understand what it has to do with me, or us ... or anything for that matter, but it is maybe because I am sober... or stupid... or both. Mr Martin was born in October 1969 - me and my spouse has been together since December 1969. That could be a clue but not EXACTLY the same but a nice shot anyway. (Please forgive me my vulgarity.)

I just made a pilgrimacy to my youth in Finland. I saw the warehouse (full of rats) were we had our rehearsals in the 60s/70s, I saw the park were our dog was peeing, I saw the record store were I purchased MFBP (it had moved only for 200 meters!). I ate two dozens of Carelian Pirogs from "Auto Grill" were we hang out after rehearseals. The haircut saloon which I visited in 1970 was still there. After that misstreatment I have not changed my "Mr Brexit" haircut. If I had become a Rock Mega Star my fans could have made their pilgrimage to this saloon. The saloon could have made a lot of money! - The best was to hear our young relatives sing Appalachian Mountain hymns.

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Mike Nomad

Great job.

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Dunc

Thanks, Dag. Another huge effort.

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Jon Lyness

Those early photos, LOL! Great stuff, thank you Dag.

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Dag B.

Subject: The Hawks 1964-67

Another one...

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Jed

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Peter V

Jed, right, I've never been a great Allmans fan … Brothers and Sisters is my favourite album. Filmore East? Got it. I can take it or leave it. More I've pointed out that they're much less popular in the UK than USA, but some of that might be down to poor Capricorn Records distribution. I saw a US import "Laid Back" in a secondhand store just before Christmas and it was in very good condition and reasonably priced (£4.95? - don't remember) and i thought I'd try it mainly for Don't Mess Up A Good Thing. Any cover of Fontella Bass had to be interesting, being a great Fontella Bass fan. Yes, I enjoyed it. It'll get another spin tomorrow.

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JQ

I’m wondering if all those Americans who aggressively supported the Iraq war, for years, will take what they’ve since learned, been embarrassed by, and be a bit more wary this time?

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Jed

I’m surprised to see Gregg Allman on your list,Peter. Didn’t think you thought much of him. Perhaps I’m mistaken? If you enjoy Laid Back do you enjoy his other solo work,particularly The Gregg Allman Tour? Any thoughts on his last solo album?

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Erik og Pål

Subject: Big fans

Love When I paint my masterpiece!

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b.lee

Subject: Neil Innes

Sad to hear about Neil. An underappreciated talent. My adolescence was nicely warped by the Bonzos. His brilliant Beatle inspired mash-ups in All You Need Is Cash as the Rutles are priceless and precede the Love album by a decade or more. The Seventh Python? (Well, after Carol Cleveland, maybe the Eighth.)

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Dunc

Happy New Year, everybody.

Last five played

The Beatles Magical Mystery Tour

Hue and Cry Bitter Suite

Paul McCartney Pipes of Peace

Gene Clark Roadmaster

Asleep at the Wheel Still the King

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Bill M

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Peter V

Albums …

Laid Back - Greg Allman

High Level- early strict discipline English folk with Johnny Handle

Celebrations for A Grey Day- Richard & Mimi Farina (3 times)

River of Song - Disc 2 (with Levon on Going Back to Memphis)

Larry Jon Wilson - selections on a playlist

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Peter V

RIP Neil Innes, Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band & The Rutles

RIP Marty Grebb, contributor to The Band's 'Jericho' and Jubilation.

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John D

Subject: Jack Sheldon

Jack Sheldon has died at the age of 88. This is one of the memorable songs he sang on Tom Chapin's Sunday TV show. "I'm Just a Bill from Capitol Hill."

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JQ

Happy new year Bill M - An Interesting exercise (for me at least) is to use the past to understand the present and predict the future. And, somewhat relating to hindsight, is to put oneself in that predictable future and view the present from that POV. But, it ain’t pretty or hopeful anymore..

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Bill M

(I've heard it called the Year of Hindsight, but we'll have to wait and see.)

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