The Band Guestbook, March 2020

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brown eyed girl

From Big Pink to Whitney’s Dream House:
Here’s What It’s Like to Live in a Pop Star’s Former Home
Bob Dylan, Whitney Houston, the Grateful Dead, and Patti Smith all made these places famous.
Meet the residents who inherited the homes’ legacies — and sometimes find fans picnicking on their lawn.

BRENNA EHRLICH
Rolling Stone
March 30/20

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: Bob Dylan / JFK

Brilliant. Simply brilliant epic song - like 'Hollis Brown'/'Hattie Carroll'/Frankie Lee and Judas Priest'/'Three Angels'/'Ira Hayes'.

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Bill M

Subject: Richard Wagner pre Lou

BEG: This one's for you. "Liberty and Justice", the a-side of a great Ursa Major 45 from '72. You'll notice some similarities with Wagner's playing on "Rock & Roll Animal". You may like the b-side better - "Lay Me Down", now also on YouTube. Starts with some ferocious guitar work that most certainly turns up on R&RA. I've clung on to the 45 for more than 40 years, though I didn't care for the rest of the album. Done in Toronto with Bob Ezrin, I believe, who also produced Wagner's late-'70s solo LP.

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Norm J

Subject: The Bubble Boy

I just put this thought I had on face book. Every one should remember the bubble boy from Seinfeld. Well now you know how he felt. Remember the part where he is choking the shit out of George. So just think of some one you'd really like to choke the shit out of. Then think what George looked like. I get to laughing so hard I just about have a hernia.

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Norm J

Subject: Sons of.......................

Some of my greatest enjoyment these days is listening to the sons of, Merle Haggard, Noel and Ben, Marty Robbins, Ronnie, Roger Miller, Dan, Conway Twittie, (I forget his son's name at the moment). There is many of them so many sounding just like their fathers. The only one I don't much care for and I wish I did because his father was my favourite, is Shooter Jennings, Waylon's son. He seems to be fairly popular. I just don't like his voice or his style much.

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brown eyed girl

...and then there's Al Green and Lyle Lovett groovin' to Funny How Time Slips Away....Al Green....which I've posted at least a couple of times....'cause it's that good! Did I tell you that I've seen Al Green perform? Sure I have.... ;-D

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brown eyed girl

Funny How Time slips Away Lukas Nelson in Willie's studio. Thanks Norm.

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Norm J

Subject: John D

Sorry John, I never did learn when Jan changed his format for linking. If you just search on youtube, Lucas Nelson, Funny how time slips away. You should find it. I guess I should take my course from Jan to do this properly. I'm kinda old and stupid you know.

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John D

Where is the link to Lucas Nelson Norm?

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Norm J

Subject: Lucas Nelson

I made another mistake. Lucas Nelson sings, "Funny How Time Slips Away" in the room where his Dad recorded it. He's playing a Gibson Jumbo by himself and it just sounds great his playing and his singing.

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Norm J

Subject: Opps!

Haso I apologize after Kevin's comment I reread your post I had thought you said Robbie wrote Rockin Chair 25 years AGO. The line you quoted Kevin is the line that has always stuck with me. I'll tell you why. Older people, (ever since I was very young) I had a lot of respect for. I started working in logging camps at age 15. Almost every one was older than me. That is the only way I learned. I ended up in bars a lot very young. That's where they took me. I grew up very hard. I started playing music in bars very young I guess is how I related to Robbie and those guys when I was 18.

Many times I can remember accounts where young guys in a bar would like to try and humiliate or challenge old guys. I always had this thought from watching old guys that were close to me and what they had been through in WW2 and Korea. Too many times I saved some idiot's ass by getting a hold of them and reminding them. This old guy you are messing with had to kill people to stay alive and you want to mess with him, are you crazy. They deserve respect.

BEG I expect perhaps you saw the youtube vid of Lucas Nelson recording "You were always on my Mind". As he starts he very quietly says this is right where my Dad stood in this studio when he recorded this song. It's really quite wonderful to watch.

Regarding Vietnam. I think many years ago we were talking about Vietnam I mentioned this. In 1973 my younger brother next to me was killed in a logging accident. He was 21. My Dad had a real difficult time with that. So I moved from the north island down to Sechelt with my family to be near my folks. I bought a big waterfront home and had a small house on the back of the property I rented out. My first tenant was a really big fellow about 220 pounds, he was a stone mason. His wife a school teacher. They were building g a new home. This guy had a little flat deck truck and I remember watching him casually pick up these big rocks and lift them onto his deck one day. He was a Dutchman originally from the Netherlands. John Pinkster his name was. One day my friend Stan (a friend from high school) and I were having a beer and watching John load his truck. Stan and I and John all played in a hockey league all on opposing teams. Stan says "how well do you know John?". I say I barely have said more than thank you to him when he pays his rent and I see him at hockey.

Stan says John was a green beret in Vietnam. I say no shit! Stan says yeah, he has some stories. First time I got to talking to John I was out mowing my lawn. I stopped as he came out to say hello. John and I got to be good friends He taught me things about his training most people should never know. The quickest way to dispatch a man in hand to hand combat in many ways. He told me stories of events in Vietnam that were too horrible. I think he had kept that stuff inside for a long time. Only because we were both the same age, (30 at the time) we both ran our own businesses so it seems we had a closeness.

One day he jumped out of a plane and he says they figured a couple of the strings from his harness to his chute ripped off and wrapped around the rest so his chute only opened part way. He came down a few thousand feet and went through the roof of a barn, (which probably saved his life). He had a broken leg and hip but healed up and went back at it. When he arrived back in the states he said I just didn't want to be there any more so I came to Canada. I asked him once, if you came to the USA from the Netherlands why did you bother to join the forces. He simply said I thought I could help.

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brown eyed girl

People who like Robbie Robertson might also like these artists.
The closer two names are, the greater the probability people will like both artists.
Click on any name to travel along Music Map.

Hei to Norbert. Are you still telling great stories? Hee Hee.
If you saw The Back Street Video I posted yesterday along with other artists...It was that song....I Want It That Way which we sang every day....connected with the one who had autism (on the spectrum Aspergers Syndrome). I still remember his eyes the way they just lit up as if saying.....Ok.....Ok.....I feel safe now. Unfortunately, the other one kept his hands over his ears. It wasn't that he just didn't like the group, but for some reason music in general did not comfort him as it was like excruciating noise to him. Since he loved Math and mapping skills; I let him explore his own passions uninterrupted while we sang, sang, sang. Eventually he got used to those of us who needed it daily.

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brown eyed girl

WHEN LOVE COMES TO TOWN: REFLECTIONS ON TENDERNESS IN A CHAOTIC CULTURE

john prine, robbie robertson and u2 walk into a bar...

Thank you Jed.

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Dunc

I think it is the same version - just that the one I used to listen to on YouTube was of poor quality. Sorry. Definitely worth a listen if you haven’t done before.

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Dunc

Thanks, Jed. A moving post.

I didn’t know about the Aretha Franklin and Duane Allman version of The Weight. This is how you change a great song and make it great in a different way. I love the horns. (I know the original Aretha version.)

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Peter V

On the John Prine discussion, yes, Vietnam. But it made me remember what Joseph Heller said about "Catch-22"

It takes place in World War Two, but was written during the Korean War. It's "about" the next war to come.

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Jed

The streets are silent with an unsettling wind blowing through the streets. Hardly anyone ventures out. It’s rainy,foggy. One day rolls into the next-yet we take a day at a time,a minute at a time. I spend much time telling others to be brave,have courage while gently suggesting they(and I)seek others to talk to and others to help. I’m oddly not fearful but in deep pain as this unfolds right before our eyes. My daily run is now done in my home,to music. The Grateful Dead’s Eyes of the World from a 1973 show blares while I run. Perhaps now we’re all eyes of the world. I start crying out of nowhere a few times a day. The sadness seeing and hearing the suffering is sometimes too much to take. I pass time reading,studying,taking online classes,listening to music,and watching netflix. A number of people I know are sick. Some recovered,some stable and a few critical. One friend’s wife said about her husband,he needs a miracle. I found myself saying to my wife,in the most gentle tone,that we must mourn and worry but we can’t go too deep into the darkness. More friends will get sick so we must get used to this. I worry so about my family. At 7 pm we joined our entire neighborhood cheering and clapping out our windows to honor and express gratitude to our health care workers who are putting their lives on the line to save us.and this is only the beginning. Unimaginable. Yet,there is one constant in our now silent world. The sirens. The ongoing wail of the ambulances,some arriving at our building as they bring out the very sick who may never come home. The sirens scream out over and over. We see the flashing light in our window and the reflections of flashing lights in cars below. We’ve got the ambulance blues.

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Jon Lyness

John Prine's wife now describing his condition as "stable", which is an improvement. Please, please...

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Jon Lyness

Kevin, that is a great quote. I hear echoes of it in Robbie's more recent Straight Down the Line (a title I can never quite parse, but a song I love).

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Kevin J

“Most people are knocked out by younger people. I'm knocked out by older people. Just look at their eyes. Hear them talk. They're not joking. They've seen things you'll never see.”

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Kevin J

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brown eyed girl

Norm J...Thank you for letting us know that Lukas Nelson is one of Willie's sons. When I posted the video I thought.....but wasn't sure. You Were Always On My Mind....How can anyone not relate to the words and the feeeeel, right?

Willie Nelson and His Sons Discuss Growing up on Tour and Performing as a Family
Oct 17, 2017

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brown eyed girl

Hi haso...Taking a Viber break as I'm helping my PHD cousin with his cover letter and CV.....He's into classical only so we discuss politics as he's a Marxist. When I was studying Sociology I was on the hiring Committee....
You are correct! I was talking about....

MASSEY HALL, "CONCERT FOR A LANDMINE FREE WORLD" Toronto, Ontario 12/04/2000

~ with Emmy Lou Harris, Bruce Cockburn, Mary Chapin-Carpenter, Nancy Griffith, Steve Earle.
Ron Sexsmith was in the audience.

However, I was't referring to John Prine's music as sweet but his disposition on stage. I was drawn to him as he's like your friend next door.
Let your partner know that I have a new routine now first thing in the morning....I have to listen and watch Carlos Santana play the two songs I posted....Europa (Earth's Cry Heaven's Smile) and Samba Pa Ti) If we don't have religion; we need spirituality now...at least I do. Did you know his second partner is a jazz drummer who tours with him? Cindy Blackman...also connects with spirituality very strongly.

Kevin J...Abraxas by Santana was also my introduction by my older brother, or was it when I watched his Woodstock videos? Something was really happening, alright!

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Norm J

Subject: History and Math

Haso, just before I went upstairs I clicked on here. Hello in there! to you.

Now make sure you do this. On youtube search Rockin Chair the BAND. You will get to see the live performance from the Festival Express tour in Calgary. 1970 Haso......now then, 1970 to the end of the century is....wait for it 30 years. We are now in 2020. Another 20 years.........50 gawd damn years ago old son not 25. :-)

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haso

Subject: BEG

Woops, Angie maybe you were talking about Larry Campbell at the Landmine Concert not Prine. Well, they are both authentic that's for sure.

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haso

Subject: J. Prine

Norm: as on many things you (old seadog from the deep Northwest) and I (not a seadog from what I personally despise calling suburban Boston), agree across multiple topics. I think we've waxed on John's (Angie puts it perfectly) authenticity and sweet story-telling here a few times. Although "sweet" might not be the 1st term I associate w/ "Sam Stone", or "Pretty Good", "Paradise", or even "Donald & Lydia".

As a non-performer, I can't imagine how difficult Sam Stone could be to do justice to, especially if one had been in Nam or had people close who'd been there or in the throes of serious addiction. John's situation definitely warrants what Joni suggests.

BEG: now that you've discovered Prine, the very 1st album is not so dated as one might think. I've said before on GB, "Hello in There" and "Rockin' Chair" have to the best evocations of aging in "popular" music. That he and RR wrote those at like 25 years old, give or take, is doubly amazing to me. And if I make it, probably triply so in 7 years when I'm "pushing age 73". I've always wished Robbie would put out a little essay, now that he's past there, to his younger self. Perhaps he has.

Here's a snippet from Kristofferson on the back of John's self-titled debut lp: "... then he [J.P.] started singing, and by the end of the 1st line we knew we were hearing something else. It must've been like stumbling onto Dylan when he 1st busted onto the Village... One of those rare, great times when it all seems worth it...".

I dare say every song on John Prine is a nugget.

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Norm J

Subject: Get Back

Just remember that Beatles song. Get back.........get back

What I really would like to know. This Trump character, they play these videos where he says over and over how he knows everything, more than any doctors, generals.........every body and he can do everything......well, how come he hasn't stopped this gawd damn virus???

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Kevin J

Wonder if anyone else here has had this weird observation in these days of isolation........watching a movie last night and suddenly a crowd gathers around a character while he is entering an area......and immediately I want to scream “move away...what are you doing!” Amazing how quickly otherwise normal behaviours and life can become something entirely different.

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Norm J

Subject: But then again

Your comment isn't something I really concern myself with Bill. I've noticed "over the years", many, many people have had their little pissing matches, even here. Including you.

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brown eyed girl

Elton John ‘Living Room Concert’: Backstreet Boys, Shawn Mendes and more perform from home.

Watched last night after we clanged party instruments outside on our courtyard as our hood joined in solidarity to give thanks and praises to all the health care workers, food workers, parents inside with little children and big.

Sending a message while I wore my leopard patterned rubber boots....I am going to kick the shit out of this virus that has us temporarily strangled.

Making a noise in this world. Making a noise in this world. You can bet your ass I won't go quietly. Making a noise in this world......

Give thanks and praises to all the musicians in the world!

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Norm J

Subject: Ryan Guldemond

I'm wondering if any of you (particularly across Canada) have heard of the band "Mother, Mother"? My youngest daughter Amanda just turned me on to them yesterday. Not really my style but certainly makes you look twice. I don't even know what "Indie Rock" is.

These folks started up this band in Heriot Bay. A small port on Quadra Island right across toward the mainland from Campbell River. Very near where I grew up, These young folks have made a lot of headlines in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal at Jazz festivals etc. Opening for the Waling Jennies and bands from Australia. There is a fair amount about them on Wikipedia and they have a ton of videos of their songs on line.

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Kevin J

Funny story, Norm...

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Bill M

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Norm J

Subject: Vietnam

By the way Bill, I meant to say you are absolutely right about John writing Sam Stone about Vietnam. There wasn't much like that going on in Korea.

Listening to Sam Stone always puts me in mind of "The Deer Hunter".

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Norm J

Subject: Sam Stone

Bill, isn't it amazing that John Prine is a writer and performer that you can't help but like every song of his. Sam Stone is the only song I have a hard time with because it is so real and so sad. His lyrics are like you are there watching a friend.

I had a problem with that song one night many years ago. In the legion in Sechelt we were playing for a rock and roll graffitti night. This was about 1974 or so. Sechelt had inherited a swarm of draft dodgers from the US. We are in the middle of a set really kicking ass with Chuck Berry music. A hippie girl in the dress of the time (grannie dress and rubber boots) comes up to me. I lean down she says "hey man do you know Sam Stone?" I say my god we are in the middle of really rocking and you want me to play the saddest most depressing song! She says "Well fuck you man!" and saunters away.....

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Bill M

Subject: John Prine

I thought of John Prine the other day, not because of covid-19 but when Norm posted about "that crazy Asian war" in the song "Ruby (Don't Take Your Love To Town)". Norm noted that writer Mel Tillis likely meant the Korean War rather than Vietnam, and that makes sense. However, some other songs of the late '60s and early '70s were depoliticised for radio play by being cast as songs about the Korean War. The example that comes to mind is "Carry Me" by the Stampeders, though I suppose they may have said it was set in the US Civil War. I don't recall what Tony Orlando had to say about "Tie A Yellow Ribbon", but I wouldn't be surprised if the word 'Korea' passed his lips. But the "conflict overseas" in Prine's great "Sam Stone" was clearly nothing but Vietnam.

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brown eyed girl

When I worked at a Clinic...This is the hand sanitizer we used. I still have some left. Now I have to get all the ingredients....two metres apart from everyone six feet apart everyone.

1 part Witch Hazel
1 part Aloe Vera Juice
15ml Cleansing EO (essential oil) blend
5ml Tea Tree Oil

Peter...I do not take the flu shot which wouldn't really help these days anyway, but I do take the homeopathic remedy Influenzinum...just sharing as I know you and the Royal family take homeopathics as I do.

Ok everyone...self-isolation. I have my music and my books. Two cats in my hood visit daily for treats as do a boy and girl cardinal who sing beautifully...They come for daily treats but they provide therapy for us. I Keep saying I will take out my art supplies. I keep saying I will make a photo book of the times I visited different parts of Cuba. Maybe if I stop blah, blah, blahing.....I will actually do it.

In praise of all the performing and visual artists everywhere in the world!!!!

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brown eyed girl

Peter...Too Close for Comfort: Theresa Russell in Bad Timing (1980) with Art Garfunkel

"Bad Timing barely has a plot. ... There are some around." Bad Timing began with a favourite Italian paperback of the producer Carlo Ponti, a story of sexual obsession that neither Roeg nor his screenwriter, Yale Udoff, read. Its premise proved a gift. "It was all about frailties," Roeg says.Aug 15, 200

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brown eyed girl

Joni Mitchell sends love and support to John Prine and his family as we do for Larry Campbell as well.
When I saw him at Massey Hall with many other artists for Concert Against Landmines; I knew of him but he wasn't on my wavelength. I remember.....(Just crossed my mind....Is that all I will be saying these days?....I remember.....I remember)....Anyway, just had this vibe about him....totally authentic, sweet, unassuming great storyteller.

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brown eyed girl

Thank you KEVIN from NE PA.

The Big Interview With Dan Rather Season Eight Guests

April 15: Huey Lewis
April 22: Debbie Harry of Blondie
April 29: Don Felder formerly of the Eagles
May 6: The Band’s Robbie Robertson
May 13: Jethro Tull’s Ian Anderson
May 20: Don McLean

The Big Interview With Dan Rather returns to AXS TV for its eighth season, April 15
Chase Hunt AXS Contributor
Mar 26, 2020

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Kevin from NE PA

Saw a commercial on AXS TV where Dan Rather is interviewing Robbie. Looks like it is part of a new season of interviews that begin in mid April. Didn’t yet find the actual air date yet but did see an article in Rolling Stone about the upcoming season.

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Dunc

I only have three John Prine albums and all are brilliant. Got the duets album for my Christmas. I hope he pulls through.

Thanks BEG. Very kind thoughts. I feel you have stayed modern and kept up with a lot of musical developments.

They are both involved in the fight against Coronavirus and people of all ages are pulling through. But for some people, including some younger people, this is a horrible illness. So follow guidelines carefully everybody, take them seriously and be safe.

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Kevin J

Really sad news. John has been through so much over the last 20 years and has always fought on and conquered things his way.....God, I hope he can win this one.

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Jon Lyness

Fingers so crossed for John Prine. In better news, Larry Campbell seems to be improving somewhat, per Teresa Williams on Facebook.

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JQ

Terrible news. I’ve got a feeling this is going to be a really rough week. John Prine’s debut has been a huge favorite since it came out and played continually through the decades. Timeless quality. Fuck!

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Pat B

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Pat B

An art house in Denver is streaming OWB for $12. It'll be on Amazon in a week but hey.

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Peter V

Subject: Cat Ballou

A couple of people have pointed out that all the recent 60s retrospectives are British or Italian productions, so seeking light relief yesterday we went for CAT BALLOU instead. You've all seen this one. You can comment on the bottom too. The bottom of the article, not Jane Fonda's … oh, never mind.

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Norm J

Subject: Fessing Up

Yeah ...ok Haso I knew you were spoofing......but....that brown eyed woman is a school teacher. She scares me. Some times I dream of being in her class and one day I'm standing in a corner, next day I'm made to stand in the hall for an hour. Then......I'm getting my knuckles wrapped with a pointer! That's when I wake up in a sweat!

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Jon Lyness

Subject: New Dylan song

I love this line from the Rolling Stone review: "“Murder Most Foul” is really about the ways that music can comfort us in times of national trauma." I'm fascinated by the song. Can't stop playing it.

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haso

Subject: PfC

Norm: I just be goofin' w/ you... I figure you & I being basic working stiffs (i.e. blue collar types) that we didn't get the props due Angie (who I've taken, I believe rightfully to be an academic). And I was elated she knew of Playing for Change. Her linking that Marley tune was enough to get me to put in the PfC2 dvd, that has "Redemption Song" on it, as well as my top 1, 2 or 3 of all the PfC renditions: Stevie Wonder's "Higher Ground". And putting it in last night was just what Mrs. Haso needed to watch... no news shows and no on-line educating/zoom meetings and the like. More of Mark Johnson and his professional partner Enzo Buono, is always welcome. Peace through music, indeed.

And speaking of Mrs H and BEG, you clearly share a major GO, you might say, for Carlos. Most anytime we're headed out for a hike or skiing/snowboarding or similar, she always likes a dose of Carlos. (Or any other time, when I think about it.) Just like PfC, his rhythm section is like lifeblood for my spouse. A while ago a local, (1 block away), mostly junk shop had a single conga for sale. Had it been less than $300, it would have been an ideal present for her. Lastly, on the Santana front: Angie, have you ever caught the youtubes from the Wolfgang folks of Santana at Tanglewood, MA in 1970? Absolutely worth a look. Tanglewood, for those not in the know, is the summer home of the Boston Symphony and these days confines most of their popular music series to the likes of James Taylor, Richard Thompson, etc. Although I did see this summer's original line-up included a double bill of The Mavericks and Los Lobos. That said, who knows what & when live music will return here in the States.

Carlos's approach on the stage reminds me of what I enjoy so much about Tedeschi Trucks... although Derek is definitely the band leader he always takes a physically sideways approach that almost defers to others on stage. I noticed the same when Gregg Allman was still alive and Derek almost treated his elder like he was a beloved, though quite infirm uncle.

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Kevin J

As I commented yesterday, “Murder Most Foul” is not much of a song. I had hoped that it was going to be something newly created as it has been almost a decade since we were treated to new original material. I love when Bob goes a little off the path a la the great “Brownsville Girl” or “Series of Dreams” but the dirge like sketch that is this song with all the throwaway lines and silly shout outs is disappointing.

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Kevin J

Also, BEG......while I really believe Garland Jeffreys 1977 album “Ghost Writer” is without a doubt one of the most overlooked/under purchased masterpiece albums of all-time ( other than in Quebec where it sold in astonishing numbers and hence the reason the great man gave his final concert in Montreal ) and though I still play it a lot.......of late, have been listening to the brilliant “I’m Alive” song by G. Jeffreys......knocks me out every time.....Always in the car at full volume!

Bill M.......Thank you, btw, on the Domenic Troiano confirmation.

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John D

Subject: New Bob Dylan Release March 20, 2020

This is approx. 17 minutes long. Dylan at his most prolific. Seems to come out of nowhere. You have to listen to this. He sounds great and the writing is pure Dylan.

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Peter V

Subject: Privilege review

Review added in the 60s Retrospectives series of Privilege from 1967. Sticking with 60s England for the moment. It starred Paul Jones, fresh from Manfred Mann and Jean Shrimpton. The director was Peter Watkins, who won the 1967 Best Documentary Academy Award for “The War Game” (which he’d made in 1965, but it got banned). Privilege was his first feature film, a dystopian satire about a manipulative government-sponsored cult based on pop star Steve Shorter (Paul Jones). It’s a film that was criticized heavily at the time, but whose reputation has grown.

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Rod

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Bill McCown

Subject: Fred Carter

Go listen to anything by the great Fred Carter. He taught Robertson to really play guitar. Forget those stories about learning to play on the reservation. Fred taught him how to rock. Back in 1995 when Fred needed a kidney transplant Levon said, "We'd crawl a thousand miles and give up all of our kidneys for Fred!"

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Wallsend

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Lisa

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brown eyed girl

"How have you been spending your time hunkering down?

I’m writing volume two of my autobiography. I’m somewhat buried in that. I have some artwork as well that I have to sort out. And although everything’s been delayed, I’ve even started some early discovery and thinking of the music for Martin Scorsese’s next movie, Killers of the Flower Moon. It’s an American Indian story, so I’ve got a lot to do on this. And the rest of it, I guess, is just really kind of adapting and dealing with being on house arrest.

What kind of music are you listening to right now?

When something like this is happening in the world, what music do you turn to? It’s all for me about discovery and research. So I was listening to some of Tchaikovsky’s sixth symphony earlier today, because of something that I’m writing. I was listening to some American Indian Western music from the 1920s a couple of days ago, thinking about Killers of the Flower Moon. I have a very curious ear, so I’m always interested in new stuff that’s going on. It’s scattered all over the place. I don’t have a playlist. I don’t have anything that I’m devoted to.

Are you thinking of doing a 50th-anniversary edition of Stage Fright in line with the Music From Big Pink and The Band box sets?

Yes, I am. I started on this, but there’s some things too that I’m trying to do, some artwork and some pieces of that period that I’m trying to put my hands on, and some stuff that I would like to do musically for this. And there’s some things that have been buried in the archive for a long time that fit with this really well. So, yeah, I’ve got ideas. Doing these these celebrations, doing the Music from Big Pink box set and doing The Band box set, and now doing this, it really feels good. I like the celebrating of the music, and doing something fresh, and doing things that we couldn’t do back then. I’m really enjoying that process."

Robbie Robertson on the Power of ‘The Weight’ During the Pandemic
The Band’s 1968 classic has found a new audience in the wake of the coronavirus, thanks to a globe-spanning cover.
“It’s good medicine,” says Robertson
PATRICK DOYLE
March 27/2020

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brown eyed girl

Dunc...Please forgive me...Your daughter and daughter-in-law.....Heroes!!!!!

Days Like These

Give Thanks and Praises to all the Health Care Workers

Give thanks and Praises to all the Food Care Workers

Give Thanks and Praises to Jan the Man who allows us to share and express ourselves about anything....sometimes even music and sometimes even...The Band!!!!

Europa...Santana! I think when I saw Santana...Samba Pa Ti and Europa (maybe it was the same year as video 1976) stood out the most for me and still does......along with Soul Sacrifice. As Carlos likes to say a lot of times at Award Shows....Long Live Coltrane!

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brown eyed girl

Kevin J...Need to hear Samba Pa Ti via one of Mexico's best exports. It's also one of my absolute faves as well....soaring with spirituality. The other one is Europa.

Hi Roger across the pond. I heard the news today oh boy.......Tough times.

Hi Lisa...So you missed seeing the Doc when it was showing in Vancouver.?..Whistler too but farther up the road. It was by fluke I saw it as I was on my way at home but felt like seeing a film...Checked and there it was playing downtown...right time, right day.

Joe Frey...Pat B knows this already but you might not remember that I had posted that I was at Eric Clapton's Guitar Festival...bucket list to see Robbie but I was there both nights. It just happened...before I left for NYC that The Rascals would be in town during the six days I was in the big apple so........Looks like you and I were at the same gig! I'm so glad, I'm glad, I'm glad that I was there. The other nights I saw a Dance performance in the West Village, and I saw the musical with Glen Hansard's music "Once" who is on Robbie's latest. The sixth day I almost stayed another night to see "Motown". I ended up going home and saw it in TO at a later date. It was during my sabbatical year....

Bill M...Whenever I hear Marley sing those lines I always think that he was also referring to himself as he passed that year or the next? One of my Marley videos...yup....VHS....Marley's mother Cedella always saw him as a prophet.....I also have The Story Of Bob Marley's Wailers...John Masouri....similar issues to what we discuss here.

Whoever feels it
Knows It
Bob Marley

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Bill M

Subject: Eugene Smith, live online this evening

If all goes according to plan, former Hawk Eugene Smith will be play a concert online from a presumably empty club in Duncan on Vancouver Island at 8:00pm Eastern Time this evening (Friday). See link above - for info now, and for the concert in a few hours.

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Lisa

Subject: Are you ready to have your minds blown?

This is little different from what usually gets put up here, but I thought you'd all be pretty impressed. Orchestras and singers all over the world are posting recordings with all the musicians playing together while in isolation. But this takes things to a whole nother level - and there's a post from no less a person than Quincy Jones in the comments!

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Norm J

Subject: Playing For Change

Don't put us down Haso. I'm sure a long time back that I posted this little note concerning the beginning for Playing for change. In 2002 when Mark Johnson was walking along a street in Santa Monica and found Roger Ridley sitting on the side walk "playing for change". He was singing "Stand By Me".

Mark said to him you sound so good why are you sitting playing here. You should be in a studio recording this. Roger said to him "I ain't in the money business, I'm in the making people happy business". So began the Playing for change to change the world business. Unfortunately Roger died in 2005. I have a very big collection of this music. I hope it never ends and I really believe it is changing the world.

The music schools they are funding all over the world are going to bring a new generation of people with an entirely different attitude towards life we are hoping. 50 years from now when our grand children are grown lets hope they have a more peaceful loving world to live in. When you see the faces and hear the voices of these children in some of these videos, it gives hope.

When ever you may be having a hohum day or for any reason put on a youtube video of any playing for change song. It is always a lift. I don't know if any of you have watched John Cruz sitting on a picnic table in a park by himself with his guitar singing Dylan's "Jokerman" as I mentioned before. It doesn't get any better than that.

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Jed

The humor is welcome. The reference to Blue Sky/Dickey Betts was cool.

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Bill M

Pat B: I'm with Joe F - didn't know that there was a Gene Cornish book, look forward to finding and reading it, and appreciate you letting us know. I assume Gene first encountered the Hawks in NY or NJ, perhaps when he was still in Joey Dee and the Starlighters. Do you know if he followed or preceded Hendrix in that group?

BEG: "Redemption Song" - yes, a great call. Funny how listening to a different version of a song I've hear a billion times can introduce a new appreciation. Listening to Marley, I always took "We've got to fulfil the book", a repellant concept to me, as what he thought, but listening to the multi-artist rendering in your link, I understand that he was still singing about what those awful prophet-killers were thinking. So, more points for Bob.

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Joe Frey

Subject: Gene Cornish

Thank you Pat B for the info on the Gene Cornish book. I didn't know that it existed. Looking forward to reading it.

As much as I tweak my DIDs, Groovin' always seems to retain a place on it. joe

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Kevin J

The new Bob Dylan sounds like something that was sketched out for Tempest........Lots of throwaway lines and shoutouts to everyone one from Dickey Betts to The Eagles but not much of a song.

Thank you, Haso.

Grateful Dead & The Band........Looking around for what Dunc noted - I found several versions of their cover of Robbie Robertson’s song “Broken Arrow”......just a great song that sounded particularly good in these troubled times.......which reminds me belatedly to note how much I enjoyed reading about your friend and her association with RR.....Thank you, BEG.

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Jed

Anyone hear it?

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Dunc

Subject: The Weight. The Grateful Dead

There’s a live version of The Weight by The Grateful Dead with scenes from Easy Rider on Youtube, which has received five million seven hundred thousand hits. I think it’s great - an atmosphere has been created around the song. The version with Robbie and others on it that we all looked at several months ago has received over six million hits.

So 12 million hits for two versions of The Weight. What a legacy for the writer, Robbie Robertson.

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Dunc

Enjoyed the many recent posts. Thank you.

As a family we’re in the middle of this fight against Coronavirus. My daughter, who is an A and E nurse has spent her last three thirteen hours shifts testing people. My daughter in law, also a nurse, is now treating people who have the virus. I can’t see how they and their families are going to avoid it. I am in strict isolation, called shielding in the UK, because of the state of my wife’s auto immune system.

I do get bored when I should be going out to football, including my 7 year old grandson’s football four times a week.

But this isolation has allowed me to continue with my retirement music project. I’ve finished buying the early Elton John albums and have really enjoyed listening to them. Great songs, great singing and great musicianship.

This took me into Lesley Duncan. I bought her five albums. She got a lot of plays in the early seventies with her first album and in her career she moved from being a paid songwriter, to a sixties singer, to a backing singer especially for Dusty Springfield, to a session singer - we’ll all have something of hers in our collection, for example she is one of the female voices on Dark Side of the Moon - to a singer songwriter. Love Song has been recorded by no less than 150 artists. She is a good songwriter and in the early days wrote three songs with Scott Walker - different songs of hers being included on the first UK and USA Walker Brothers albums.

Which took me into streaming Walker Brothers albums. Scott Walker is a beautiful singer.

Take care everybody in these strange times.

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Wallsend

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Rod

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Wallsend

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Rod

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brown eyed girl

Hi haso..."I've always found solace, joy, and positive vibes w/ those folks."....

Yes! That's how I feeeeel with the artists who resonate with me. It's all good, right? I still cannot believe that I actually was in the same Arena, ha, ha, ha, (I was a student and was sitting sooooo far away from the stage but the experience and the memory......Bob Marley and the I-Threes. Anyway, as soon as Roberto Lutti sliiiiides his guitar......(still am an absolute sucker for sliiiiide)....Everything is alright now. I've never seen the Melody Makers but one of the times I was in Jamaica; It was the time when their first recording came out with "Black My Story" was on the radio.....I even taped some of the music as I was visiting with friends who had family there. The other part of the "Redemption Song" video which just makes me feel zen-like is when the young girls are moving/dancing to the music.....They make everything that's wrong in the world.....right. The other two messages I forgot to include with my post....

Emancipate yourself from mental slavery.
None but our self can free our minds.

We'll free the people with music.

haso...No I haven't commented on the Doc. I wasn't posting at the time. As for Charles Lloyd and John Simon. I sure did notice that John produced the recording and checked him out more and fell upon his gallery of photos. Also, I had no idea that he along with Taplin both attended Princeton? One of my former colleagues was fortunate enough to have Robbie speak at his graduation. It meant a lot to him as he's part Native as well.

As for the chocolate bunnies....If you look closely they are not two metres/four feet apart and....The dark chocolate bunnies are somewhere coping better. :-D

haso again...If you check out Robert Bradley and Blackwater Surprise..."One Upon A Time"....Robert is wearing similar shoes like one of the times I saw Robbie in person....just sayin'....

Kevin J...Partner also goes to Bay St. Video....small world. You've probably seen him there or used to.....Old films. I was in shock recently when he actually bought "Once Upon A Time"....I wasn't drawn to see it in the Theatre but was really surprised that I really enjoyed the film. There was a twist for me as I had read a book about CM but things turned out differently.

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haso

Subject: BEG/PfC

Oh man, I gots to write one more thing tonight. BEG: that's a good, no a GREAT call. Made me remember, I've always found solace, joy, and positive vibes w/ those folks. The late/great Roger Ridley always improves any hours that follow another hit of the original piece. And a good choice of song. Had the chance to see the band during their very 1st tour, I believe it was. From the 2nd row at Berklee. Jason Tamba is simply the most elegant musician that I've probably ever seen. Angie, good to know a discriminating observer, unlike say Norm & me, is onto the PfC folks.

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Norm J

Subject: Shut Ins

JQ for president. Your entire line up is spot on to help your country JQ. I really think you are a "Non Trumper tho'. He has a disease even far worse than what we are dealing with now tho'. He has idiotitis there is no pill or vaxcine for that the only cure is a 45 slug between the eyes.

I really never loose sight of how fortunate I am. Watching the trouble people are having being shut in. In the some what remote and small population we have. I drive down to either of my boats with out encountering any one. We have a tidy little home. Living with some one you love to be with is all the difference in the world. Susan has her tv in her sitting room. I have a big tv down in our family room. We each have our own desk and computer. I have my fire to keep going and my sauna. My music equipment all set up. My yard and garden to work in. In our comfortable bedroom we have another tv. There are so many people we see who have a difficult time.

Susan has for years gone 5 days a week to work out at a gym and in the pool. So her group of ladies are all shut in. They have an app they found where they can conference call. So 8 of them have their coffee party on line at 3 pm every day now. The wonders of the internet.

I see on the news today an NFL player who has donated 5 million for feeding people. On Face book some one put a picture of a little tug boat similar to what we had. Going down the Thames with big speakers on it blaring "Always look on the bright side of life".

Here's really hoping the leaders in the USA are able to stay the course and keep every one in line until this thing is under control.

Where in heck is Wallsend?? How are things in New Zealand?

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haso

Subject: bnw

BNW...: you've got it exactly... "dumbing down of the population". I think the 50 years may be that around March of this year probably marks when Duane had met Butch and Dickey and called Gregg to come back from his rental home w/ Jackson Browne in LA. Yeah, had to be just about the last thing at MSQ for ?.

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haso

Subject: kevin j

Good stuff, Kevin on the video store; and on Martin Guitars. That same "crisis", '08/09 (doesn't seem much like a crisis, in the current context) one of the U.S. major millwork manufacturers, Marvin Windows of Warroad, Minnesota did the same thing. And I think they also reduced the executives' (at least family members') pay to $1.00/mo. or somesuch. Not likely to see agent orange do anything like that. He's pissed off that he doesn't get a big attaboy for not taking a presidential salary; I suspect all those rooms in his D.C. hotel more than cover the cost of a salary to his substantial behind.

Instead of WTF, I'd like a HTF... how (like actually HOW did we end up w/ this)? You folks, or Peter w/ BoJo or Wallsend w/ your Prime Minister, even the Aussies: it can't possibly be this dysfunctional at the very top. Well anyway, there's always some good on the GB, thank you Jan

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Pat B

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Ben Pike

Subject: Best wishes

So I am hearty enjoying DVDs of SCTV shows and the one comes on where they sample "Chest Fever." So I thought about the old gang here. Hope all is well and you all stay safe. Pat, what was the name of that racetrack where the Band played their last original line up show? Haven't seen the RR documentary yet, can you believe it? Hope this is over before I have to go out and buy a copy..........

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Pat B

I loved the Rascals tour Joe Frey referenced. Saw it twice in one week in Chicago. My college aged son loved it too. Although it captured some of the vibe (and sounded fantastic), Gene Cornish and Eddie Brigati were no where near the energy mountains of their past. They also had a bassist, second keyboardist, and two female singers to augment the sound. No way the original four could duplicate what they did back in the day.

Gene has a book out about his Rascals experience which is must reading for music fans. A number of Hawks/Band references. He also details his version of why that latter day tour fell apart.

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JQ

Hi Joe Frey - That was my earlier impression of him too. But no more. It’s amazing how simple leadership can be when one sticks to the truth. I think it’s an essential aspect of charisma too. Thanks Kevin J for that quote, so dang true. Optimistically, I think there’s a possibility that, when this is over and the nation is back to square 1, maybe we can reorganize the whole country along smarter lines and dispatch all the anachronisms that have held us back for so long. Things like the electoral college, the filibuster, money in politics, gerrymandering, the 2nd amendment, etc could/should get the axe.

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Kevin J

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brown eyed girl

Just needed to connect with this again.

"When music hits you feel no pain".

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Norm J

Subject: Say What!

Are you tryin' to tell me chocolate bunnies get the virus......I'm not buying it this time...

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brown eyed girl

Even chocolate bunnies...

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Norm J

Subject: Larry Campbell

Theresa was on face book again and I guess Larry is fighting through this. She said they are having trouble with so many calls and texts from well wishers as they need to keep his line clear so that his medical team can keep him monitored as he is home alone. She is not allowed to go to him. All strength to Larry.

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Joe Frey

Subject: Hunkering down

I was never a big fan of Governor Cuomo until I began to watch his news conferences and saw his humanity, focus on facts and his strategic approach of looking down the road using modeling to project what will be needed. In one word: leadership.

Peter V. I had the opportunity to see The Rascals twice during their reunion tour about 6-7 years ago. A bucket list concert for me. There was suppose to be a cd/dvd issued, but I understand that the band imploded and nothing was issued. What a waste.

Stay safe all. joe

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Ben

Subject: Cuomo

I agree with the praise for Cuomo. He is doing a tremendous job of communicating with the nation during this crisis. The NJ governor, Phil Murphy is also doing a good job. It is so awful to watch Trump and Pence speak at these briefings. I was also saddened to hear about Larry Campbell and Jackson Browne, hopefully they will both recover. Everyone, please be careful and stay well.

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Bill M

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Jed

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Norm J

Subject: MSNBC and Andrew Cuomo

Watching MSNBC yesterday evening as it is refreshing to watch a man such as Andrew work tirelessly for his people. To bad the self centered leader couldn't learn from him.

Suddenly the anchor man (one that is new to me) said we want to show you an event up in Vancouver , Canada. Every evening at seven o'clock just now from the densely populated "West End" they panned the camera all over town and turned up the sound. As the hospital shifts change at seven everyone was out on their balconies applauding and cheering the health care workers. It was quite moving.

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Peter V

Thanks, Jed. I think this is a time when we should use this space to express ourselves in an unprecedented situation. I was horrified last Saturday to see so many people in the UK ignoring distancing, on the paths that access the beach, which meant that we felt the beach was shut off to us, though it’s huge and the air is a tonic. Because of the cliffs, there are paths down, and for the last two weeks it was older people, people with under-school age kids and dog walkers and everyone kept a distance on the paths, hanging back, not passing people. Then last Saturday with people stopping work, the paths were full of people pushing past, walking right at you. A generational problem - most offenders in their 30s and 40s. The pity is once you get there the beach is so wide, as well as there being 8 miles of it, physical distancing is not a problem.

At the moment, as we have a big garden, our grandkids can come here, and use our lawn to run about, and we stay in the house. Also they don’t meet anyone else. The 3 year old can’t understand why he can’t come in though. Hopefully that can continue in the current UK rule, “you are allowed out to exercise once a day.” But I have a feeling we’ll be into total curfew soon.

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Peter V

One for you,Pat. Steve van Zandt in the latest Shindig magazine :

"The Rascals were one of the greatest live bands in history."

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Jed

Brutal.Predictions are that between now and September over half of New York will have contracted the virus. Hospitals are overwhelmed and we are 3 weeks from the apex. Our health care workers,truck drivers delivering our food,grocery store employees and other essential workers(many underpaid)are our heroes. We are low on medical equipment and facing months of this. Our president is a severely disturbed narcissist and sociopath. He is dangerous and already costing lives. The failure of our government to be prepared when many of us saw this coming months ago is inexcusable. The economic hardships are indescribable and will worsen. On the positive front: Andrew Cuomo,our governor is doing everything possible to save lives. He isn’t perfect-who is?-but he’s honest,empathetic and as effective as any leader can be in these times. I mentioned all the health care workers and essential service employees. There are so many regular folks doing great things to help their neighbors and friends. There are also too many insensitive,selfish,greedy and ignorant people that are spreading the disease by refusing to abide by what I believe is the moral imperative to be socially distant. The government has been too slow to close schools and businesses,and now,too slow to close parks. I may be the biggest basketball freak in the world but they banned it in nyc and I’m glad they did. My sense of sadness witnessing this suffering is truly distressing. I am fearful for my wife,kids,my grandson and my granddaughter who is barely 2 weeks old and my friends. I deeply apologize for spilling this out here but in a strange way,while trying to give strength to my family and friends,I need this anonymous place to let it out. All I can do now is pray to God to put a stop to this horrible plague and to show compassion to the people of the world. What can we do now? If each one of us commits to do one thing better and kinder in the world,and then if even 50% follow through we’ll be 50% kinder as a human race. That’s all I can think of that I heard elsewhere and can apply now to shine some light on a very dark time. Forgive me for using this space.

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BWNWILos Angeles

I used to watch late-period clips of the Allman Brothers, and Jaimoe seemed to be playing so little that I assumed he'd mostly lost his abilities. But I've seen his solo band, in which he's the only drummer, a couple of times and he can definitely still play. I guess he enjoyed the roll of basically adding fills and accents in the Allman Brothers.

I think the US is about to pay a very big price for the politically motivated dumbing down of its population.

Kevin, I don't think there's anything wrong with appreciating backsplashes, etc. I think the problem is when the perspective on that kind of stuff changed from "nice" to "important" in the eyes of the general population.

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Kevin J

....a bit of positive news to end the day - while most people long ago migrated to on-line/ Netflix type services for their TV Series and movie entertainment, I have stuck with the neighborhood video store and living in a big city was lucky enough to have a good one called Bay Street Video.....anyhow, like every business in Toronto not deemed “essential” , they were forced to close for a mandatory 3 weeks a few days ago......Despite being a small business in a dying industry they have decided to keep all employees at full salary during the shutdown. Contrast this with so many businesses that laid employees off the minute the closure notices were issued.

Reminds me of the Martin family bucking the trend when the world’s economy collapsed in 2008/2009 and the great grandson or whoever it was at the time running things simply said “ we are a private company and we’ve done well over the years - we can afford to make less or lose some for awhile - no one will lose their jobs at Martin Guitars” ...... Everyone should look for those types of behaviours whenever you can when consuming in the future.

Oh, and how fucking silly does the focus of the Biff’s and Betty’s on specialty coffees and backsplashes and granite countertops seem now......stay careful and safe everyone.

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Kevin J

Over 10,000 people have died from Covit 19 in just Spain and Italy. Contrast this with only 10 deaths in Hong Kong so far. Much smaller territory of course but the lesson lies in how Hong Kong and certain other areas took this seriously right from the onset in December of 2019. The way in which North Americans and Europeans were so reluctant to practise distancing and the simplest of protections like wearing protective gear - masks and gloves has been infuriating.......I went into self quarantine in January after returning from a trip....some we’re confused as to why.....who could blame them as there was almost no media attention to the corona virus in the main media outlets at the time.......Imagine how many lives could have been saved had politicians in the US really buckled down and focussed on this 3 months ago.......

.........oh, the price a society pays when state run TV networks like Fox News and a generation of politicians pander to the “science is a hoax” crowd.

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Rod

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JQ

PV - Thanks for the review, really top notch info & writing. I saw it here when it came out and recall being bored, I’d guess I was 16. I’m not sure I even knew what an abortion was then. And having a hard time with the accents; the Beatles were more comprehensible to us that way. I think the song was a hit record here too.

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Peter V

Subject: Alfie

One every other day in the current climate … the next review is Alfie from 1966 with Michael Caine.

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Norm J

Subject: Besides

Just listen to the original on youtube Bill. I forgot his best song too. A Pirate Looks at Forty".

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Norm J

Subject: To the Point

Yer not getting it Bill. Too many marqueritas. That's why he's looking for it. That tequila makes things hard to find. Listen carefully.

Last night I watched the documentary on the "God father of the recording industry" Clive Davis. An interesting man who, it seems had an uncanny ability to pick the right songs for the right people to make hits. He was very good to a lot of people I guess. In this doc. he is very grief stricken with the loss of Whitney Huston and the way she departed after trying so hard to help her. I enjoyed the documentary for the days gone by that it brings back.

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Bill M

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John D

Thank you Jed.

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Peter V

I'm flattered by the definitive, but I fear it will just be long!

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Jed

Teresa posted it on Facebook.

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John D

Pat where did you read about Larry having the virus? Can't find it on his we site or by Googling it.

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Solomon

Currently listening to Warren Zevon - Splendid Isolation

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Maintaining

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Pat B

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haso

Subject: TLW comments

I know we've all sorts of topics going. I'd meant to ask, etc one last bit about the TLW commentary track. It is worth it; I recall someone said they'd not got beyond a couple of minutes. Me, I actually even enjoy G. Marcus and Jay Cocks (is that really his name, or a nom de plume?).

There was a question about when LH's comments were recorded. From the nature of his throat on that track, it sounds like quite a while later than the '95/'97 documentaries. When did he lose his voice in the 1st bout of his throat issues? He does contribute quite a bit to the TLW extra. Stuff about Mac, Butter, Muddy, especially what playing music means to folks like him. Of course, for my money, he has the best line in the movie when he gives Marty Scorcese a musicology lesson about the Memphis area on the Mississippi; particularly the look on Levon's face. Better than Ronnie's famous invitation to the Hawks or the Jack Ruby story.

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Norm J

Subject: Correction

It's my UNLOST shaker of salt Bill.

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haso

Subject: 3.17 BEG

Angelina: finally got started on some of your links from a week ago. Have you given us your take yet on OWB? I know we'll have to wait for Peter's (definitive, I would guess) until it's available to him.

That Charles Lloyd track you linked, did you happen to notice the producer at the bottom? The very own, John Simon. Again, barring a reversal of his modus from Garth, I would think JS to be the best, other, wealth of context on the OQ. Way beyond "Hearsay", likely beyond even J. Taplin. We can only hope, I guess.

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Bill M

Norm: Forgot about "Come Monday". Don't like it as much as I did, but I certainly wouldn't change the channel to avoid it. I might with the Paris one though. "Margaritaville" leaves them all in the shade.

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Norm J

Subject: Jimmy Buffet

Bill!!!! are you telling me you don't like "He went to Paris" or "Come Monday"??? ...........oooohh that's it boy. we are soooo thru.

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Bill M

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Norm J

Subject: A woman to blame!

C'mon youze guys, of course it was Buffet. His first big hit "Margaritaville". Some people claim there's a woman to blame, but I know it's my own damn fault.

My favourite line ever is a Jimmy Buffet quote. "I ain't a real good singer, and I ain't a good guitar player, but I'm real good at being Jimmy Buffet".

Tenn, your comments regarding Jacob Dylan might be quite true. I am not one with any knowledge or experience in that regard as I have barely noticed him before. It would be hard to get a lot of that great time period of the sixties into a mere 2 hour documentary. I did enjoy what I saw tho'.

OK Haso!

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Bill M

Subject: Manu Dibango, RIP

The link is to "Lily", the b-side Manu Dibango's big song, "Soul Mokossa", which a grade 13 classmate introduced me to in '73. In those days, everyone else in my year was into Bowie, Genesis and Mott. Come to think of it, there was a guy into Osibisa to at least some degree. Not bad for my little corner of the globe at the time.

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haso

Subject: "a woman to blame', etc.

That line was Jimmy Buffet's. I'm quite sure, one of the many reasons that mrs. haso absolutely detests the A1A bard.

BWN... Thanks for the updated info on Shangri-La. Didn't know that Richard slept in Mr. Ed's stall. My dad was a huge Mr. Ed fan, I vaguely remenber the show from our LA-days ('63 to '68), that was the end of elem. school and jr. high so it's pretty foggy. An aside, Dad might not have been as big a fan if he knew the actor's (Alan Young) daughter. (Glenn alert, he knows whereof I speak), she got kicked out of our prep school for drinking along about 1970 I think it was. The astronaut Alan Shepherd's daughter too, in the same event. Or they would "not invite you back".

Hey Mr. BWN, speaking of the Allbros, have you caught any of the youtubes from the 50th deal that Jaimoe put together at MSQ on 3.10, just before all's been shuttered? Good stuff; worth a look, whether individual tunes or nugstv for extended video. Probably sacreligious to their OS (sextet, right?), but I always thought the rhythm section was actually even better once Marc got added as a 3rd percussion. Somebody else here was a major expert (much more than me) on the Macon folk. Was that Bob Fino, I don't recall; just know that our fearless Commissioner (Peter) isn't much for multiple drummers and the like.

Norm, I'll email you so as to not bore others w/ seafood detailing.

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brown eyed girl

Shangri La Studio tour from Zane Lowe
It's written in stone.
The Band 1976

We've been sorting and cleaning....I like to organize but I really dislike cleaning...Anyway, I see this orange bag in one of our closets. I thought, oh yeah, I have two kinds of first aid kits. Nope. I look closer and I remember that I bought it years ago at our Cabbagetown Festival for 5.00. All these years I had not zeroed in on the name of the 7 say personal kit....Pandemic bag....which included....

hand wipes alcohol wipes, pairs of disposable vinyl gloves, thermometer, 2 bottles of hand sanitizer, (partner is a senior; walked to our Distillery and received free sanitizer from a Plant that changed bottling gin to bottling hand sanitizer..3.00 for the rest of us.), stricted website containing updates and links to appropriate information, personal preparation guide.

This too shall pass. :-D

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BWNWILos Angeles

Peter, you may call me Tenn, you may call me Tenny. You may call me BW, you may call me LA.

I'm actually right down from Laurel Canyon, on the Hollywood side. I can walk to the famous Country Store where they all hung out in the '60s. It's a good, centralized area for someone new to town, although I don't plan on staying in this neighborhood for too long. For one thing, I feel like a fossil around here. (Which is one reason why I think the coronavirus is going to be really bad right here - lots of 20-somethings who think they'll be fine and behave accordingly.)

Whenever you make it here, I don't know if you're into checking out "things that used to be there," but I am, and there's so much of that in LA. Old studios, houses where musicians used to live, etc. Much of it is not in the tour guides, so to speak, but if you do research you can discover it. Much like Shangri La. The Hollywood YMCA, where they did the photo shoot for the Basement Tapes cover, is not too far from me. I've really been enjoying checking out that kind of stuff since I moved here.

I love everything about Jack White besides his music. I love what he's doing with Third Man, the legacy artists that he supports, even most of his own influences. I just don't like his music very much. I don't despise it, it just doesn't do anything for me.

Bill, you're probably right. At one point I found some photos online of the house that Gregg Allman owned on the outskirts of Macon after he married Cher. I think we sort of tend to think of celebrities as always having been that way, but when you consider that even in early '72 he was still living in a small apartment, and by '75 he was living in a mansion, basically, with lots of acreage (and married to Cher!), it's an astonishing change of fortune in a remarkably short time. It's hard to imagine going through that.

Norm, I remember wanting to go see "Echo in the Canyon" when it was in the theaters, and someone told me it was just an excuse for Jakob Dylan to release some new music. I eventually watched it on Netflix, and agreed with that assessment. It was nice enough of a documentary for what it was, although certainly not a complete or entirely accurate overview of the Laurel Canyon scene.

Your comment also made me think about the different perspective on Levon's substance abuse issues in his own book versus "Testimony" and "Once Were Brothers." Levon basically mentioned that he had some heroin issues (which he deserves credit for acknowledging) and more or less glossed over it, while Robbie's book and the movie went into much more detail about how difficult it was to try to deal with that (as well as Richard and Rick's issues). Both perspectives make sense based on who's telling the story, but I think Robbie's version illuminates the reality much more clearly than Levon's "so this happened for awhile" version.

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Pat B

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Norm J

Subject: Shut ins

I don't know how anyone can be bored. There is so much material to absorb. Yesterday I watch on Netflix Jacob Dylan's documentary "Echo in the Canyon." The Laurel Canyon beginning of folk rock with the Bryds et.al. It was well done and enjoyable. Jacob looks like a serious young guy and has a great respect and obvious love of that material and looks to try and get things right.

Later I tried watching Dylan's "Rolling Thunder Tour" by Scorsese. There sure seems to be a lot of crap mixed in with some pretty good material. A lot of things I watched live in the 60's and 70's. I thought was stupid then and still think it's stupid now. Reminds me of one of my lead guitar friends who is a super picker. Would get all coked up and it was like Jekel and Hyde. He thought he was doing great and he was such a mess I wanted to choke him. A complete waste of time (and money). Took him on a week long gig years ago (to Port Hardy here actually) We played in a real good room in a hotel here. He stuck more money up his nose than he made for the week. It's just hard to watch. So if you have experienced it Robbie Robertson's change of career direction is real easy to understand.

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brown eyed girl

Bob Dylan & The Band Tour Leather
Handsome Dark Chocolate Distressed Leather
Produced by Bill Graham Tour Management in 1974

Hi Bill M! When I first saw the photo this morning, I actually thought of Ravi not Garth at first. When I saw in the article that Gladwell (both of us listened to CFNY while in University) and Bedlam were from Elmira!!!.....awwwww.....brings back memories of going to Elmira with Grandpa watching the harness races. :-D

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Bill M

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brown eyed girl

Robbie Robertson, right, and Broken Record Crew - from left: Rick Rubin, Bruce Headlam and Malcolm Gladwell.
COURTESY BROKEN RECORD

When Robbie talks about practising guitar until his hands were bleeding at 15 in previous Broken Records interview....Calm had told me that she remembered Robbie's hands in that condition while they were classmates in high school. Dang...those typing and math classes came in handy, didn't they? In praise of Canadian schools and educators!!!

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brown eyed girl

Famous "Shangri-La" Jamming Site photos for The Band, Dylan, Clapton

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brown eyed girl

Good Morning BWNWILos Angeles...and all music fans.

AngelesComin' in from Cabbagetown, from over the pole
Flyin' in a big airliner
Chickens flyin' everywhere around the plane
Could we ever feel much finer?

Comin' into Los Angeles
Bringin' in a couple of keys
Don't touch my bags if you please, mister customs man

Robbie Robertson: Leader of The Band and Architect of Shangdi La
01:02:17

"When Robbie Robertson turned a house perched above a Malibu beach into a home studio in the 1970's, he had no idea it'd remain a refuge for artists decades later. In this episode, Robbie returns to Shangri La—now the home of our own Rick Rubin—to discuss creating the studio, helping Bob Dylan go electric with The Band, writing "The Weight" and collaborating with Martin Scorsese on his films."

Hi haso! I asked partner about Charles Lloyd....as jazzzzzz and bluezzzzz are his loves...Thumbs down for him as he's not into free form and all. He's very particular...Even his Miles Davis....only until 1961.

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Peter V

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Peter V

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Bill M

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BWNWILos Angeles

Haso, I haven’t made it all the way up to Shangri La since before the fire. But I believe it was spared. I think I heard that the fence around Dylan’s property burned down. Shangri La is indeed owned by Rick Rubin now. There was a Showtime documentary last year called “Shangri La” that is mostly about Rubin and the artists he’s worked with there. The first episode featured a short appearance by Robbie in which he walked around the property and reminisced. The section of sidewalk that said “The Band, 1976” has been torn up, but Rubin preserved it and kept it on the property. The former Mr. Ed stable that Richard lived in has been extremely renovated. If I remember correctly, the pool table from the Last Waltz is still in the studio. It’s worth watching the episode, although I couldn’t take much more of the series. Rubin seems to have an appreciation of the history of the studio, but I wish it was in the hands of someone whose music I appreciated a bit more.

I went to Macon a couple of times back when I was still BWNWITenn. One thing I thought was funny was that there were two apartments Gregg Allman lived in in the early ‘70s that were right next to each other. He literally moved into the house right next door. I always wondered what the story behind that was.

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JQ

Just in - Dr DJ Trump: “More people will die from the bad economy than the virus”.

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Norm J

Subject: Predator

I forgot Haso you asked me how deep we set our gear. Used to get good crab fishing in about 10 fathom (60 ft) or even less. Now we have to go down 200 ft to get crab. We are so over run with sea otters they eat everything but they can't dive that deep so that is where the crabs are now Prawns can be any where from 30 fathom to about 60.

Don't know if you have seen this. On youtube search "sea lions in seine net". You will see videos you can't believe. On our inner (east coast) of the island here. A seiner has closed up his net to contain his fish. There is hundreds of sea lions get into his net. You'll never see any thing like it. The bleedinh hearts think they should be protected. We are so over run with sea lions you need to watch this.

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Norm J

Subject: Regulation

Now I understand Haso. I guess I never heard the term before. I thought a long time ago, since the gawd damn white man has been on your coast much longer than ours and you have much more population your coast has been fished out much more than ours.

However our coast is divided into numbered areas and you must look at the regs to see what you are allowed to catch in any area. There are very strict limits on size and amount you can retain. Our most plentiful crab you can eat are Dungeness they must be 6.5 inches across the top of the shell and you can only keep males. Same sort of regs for box crab and rock crab. Up near the Alaska border we sometimes get a few Alaska King crab.

We have muscles, clams are razor, butter, little neck, cockle, horse clams and gooey duck (which are huge and only harvested by divers) and shipped right away to the orient.

There are five species of salmon. Sockeye (Americans call reds) spring salmon (Americans call King). Chum, cohoe and pink. More and more areas are closing to fishing and retaining. Some areas they have this ridiculous "catch and release" So sporties can catch them, take a picture and put them back, (a lot of time to die).

Our bottom fish are halibut, skate, ling cod, red snapper (yellow eye) black cod and many varieties of rock fish. There are swimming scallop, rock scallop (they cling to the rocks like oysters) and abalonie (which are protected now as they are so scarce.

Our prawns are side stripe, and spotted shrimp mostly. Our traps for prawns and crabs are about 2 to 3 ft. across and 12 to 16" high. They must have escape holes to let the small ones out. The bungees to hold the door closed must have a short piece of line in them that can rot away in not too long a time. The reason being some times the bouys get run over and cut off the anchor line or people loose track of some traps. The catch is then in the traps forever if there is no way for the door to ever open. So if the piece of line can rot they can then escape.

Our stores are quite plentiful for sea food but it is mostly quite expensive. When I was in Tasmania at the docks a big sea food store (that is also a restaurant) There was a huge variety of sea food very impressive. Down there they have rock lobster. Look like a huge crab but their forarm pinchers are like popeye about the size of lobster tails.

That's my story. I better not waste any more space.

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haso

Subject: Norm, bugs and BWNWI & BEG

Norm: we're good. Hunkering down here 1 hr north of Boston. Lots of computer use going on in the domicile and "smartphones", so for gb I gots to go latenight like this (1:00 am). That'd be due to so much of life right now being remote learning & the like. Fortunately as a sole craftsman, I've got quite a bit of exterior work to do, so as long as lumberyards are open, I should be reasonably engaged professionally.

The reference to seafood would be exactly opposite to your take. I'm actually on the board, except we never have meetings, of a local community supported fishery where this youngish woman who runs it gets some local boats' catch of the day (mostly white fish) out to about 40 something drop-off sites each week to like 750 to a thousand customers. And when we sign up for the seafood add-on, WELL then we're talking mussels/oysters or scallops or Jonah crabs (ok, but tons of work, for what it's worth) or a couple of chix lobsters every other week. So chix, is a size designation and "bugs" are what local lobstermen here and downeast to Rockport, Maine and beyond sometimes call their quarry. So I'm curious what your traps are like; how big, made of what and how deep do you set?

Seafood... well when the young lady of the family got married 1 1/2 years ago, everyone had their fill I believe as per a "clambake" during the reception outside an old life saving station. However, truth-be-told, when it comes to haso's, the custom-made Maine wild-bluberry ice cream w/ a hint of ginger outranked all the chowder and lobsters present.

BWNWI: your reports certainly indicate that Shangri-La survived the Malibu fires. Happy to know. Isn't it Rick Rubin's studio now? As related here at the time, my wife's uncle's place, also above Zuma beach, did not. No offense, not a huge loss as it was one butt-ugly building, not at all what belongs architecturally in that area. Interesting comparison of Woodstock and Macon, GA. Just last night I was thinking of Macon. I'd seen a NYT photo essay about marked and unmarked sites of former slave markets. One photo was set right in Macon, where they'd relocated a confederate statue at some point in the 20th cent. For some reason, I, all of a sudden wondered where Gregg's imagery of the whipping post came to his mind.

BEG: really looking forward to reading the Charles Lloyd stuff. Some of those other guys (DeJohnette...) live around Woodstock, don't they? Need to listen again to the cd they did a bit ago: "Hudson"; memory serves, they cover some Band music.

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Norm J

Subject: What's in a name?? Travellin Wilburys

Hey Haso! How goezit? First of all. I sold the Westcoaster so the name had to go. As my yacht is called Rockin Chair (you know why) I figured I'd use that. As every one knows my name and guys like Bill Munson just shortened me to RC, and a lot just called me Norm I thought Oh well, that's who I am.

Travellin Wilburys. Jeff Lynne has an interview on youtube. Here's his story. "I was over at George's studio we were doing some recording. At the end of the day we were having a couple of beer. George says, y'know we should have a band together. Jeff said that would be great, who would we get. George says well Bob Dylan, great Jeff says. How about Tom Petty, yeah love Tom Petty. Roy Orbison, Yeah! Jim Keltner has to play drums. Next day George phones them all up. Every last one said hell yeah. So there you go. There is nothing better.

I didn't quite get your meaning with shell fish. Don't you like them? We could almost live on seafood. Actually in the summer we have more of it than anything.

The idea just struck me yesterday evening when I was watching Roy's black and white show. Jesus you look at the lineup. James Burton, Jackson Brown, JD Souther, Bruce Springsteen, Elvis Costello, Bonnie Raitt, Jenninfer Warnes, KD Lang. Hell I gotta stop. I just loved that show and the format sitting around at tables where you are right in the show. It don't get any better. For me, I loved every song he sang.

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haso

Subject: concerts

Shoot, I've still catching up, I thought I was up til today, Sunday, but then I see Angie's got a bunch of links from 3.17. Oh well, scroll-down-city, you might say.

Dave H: thanks for the clear title and source on Garth's piano work (TLW).

Quick ?/comment: Norm... trapping dungeness anything like "bugs" here-abouts; i.e. lobsters? Also, I never saw why you retired "Rockin' Chair" as your header. Last, I'd humbly suggest you've given us a new (or perhaps re-visited from earlier days on gb, I know not) topic: A1 concert you wish you'd seen; personally, I'm assuming. You were on for Roy in a "black and white" concert. Sorry ol' boy, not a huge Roy fan, even though he seemed to be the reason behind BD, George etc. in the Wilbury crowd. Also on M-m-m-mel, isn't/wasn't Mickey Gilley his younger brother? So, if concerts can be a new category, alongside 5 for Friday; I'll have to vote for the Allbros on closing night at Fillmore East (I mean obviously many, almost all of us, the non-John D tribe, will say TLW, but that's too damn easy). Or we could go top 3.

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John D

I have Gotta Travel On by Billy Grammar + Bonaparte's Retreat. Peter I agree. The guitar licks on Bonaparte's Retreat is the best. Sony put out a Monument package a few years ago and they used an alternate version of Bonaparte's Retreat. Not the same. Glad my kept my 45.

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brown eyed girl

Canadiana...mostly.

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Norm J

Subject: Travel On

Peter in grade 10 in high school a few other guys and I would go in a teacher's room. Mr Peterson "Mr Pete" we called him. We had to wait about an hour to get our bus home. We would play music together and Mr Pete had an old reel to reel and he would tape us and we would just keep working at our harmonies and music to pass the time. Billie Grammar's "Gotta Travel On" was one of the songs we sang a lot. Also Everly Brothers, Kingston Trio and too long of a list.

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Peter V

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Pat B

Kenny Rogers on bass, Mickey Jones on drums (double bass).

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brown eyed girl

69 Songs About Medicine, Doctors, and Health
Updated on March 14, 2020

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Kevin J

David Gilmour of Pink Floyd fame and his BBC Desert Island 8 songs:

Kinks – ‘Waterloo Sunset’

Bob Dylan – ‘Ballad in Plain D’

Tom Waits – ‘I’m Still Here’

Martha Reeves and the Vandellas – ‘Dancing In The Street’

Leonard Cohen – ‘Anthem’

Neil Young – ‘A Man Needs a Maid’

Joni Mitchell – ‘For Free’

The Lemonheads – ‘Rudy With A Flashlight’

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Norm J

Subject: Billie Grammar

Peter, did you know the first recording of the song Detroit City (then it was I wanna go home). Was by Billie Grammar, 1962.

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Peter V

Subject: Blow-up

For those brave souls sticking with me on the 60s retrospective reviews, Blow-up by Antonioni. This to me is the definitive Swinging Sixties London film. There's way more to it than just The Yardbirds (though quite a bit on that is in the review!)

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Peter V

Subject: Detroit City

Here you go. Tom Jones on Detroit City. I'd guess the guitar is Big Jim Sullivan, who was backing him on the show I worked on. In my memory, Tom Jones used to namecheck Bobby Bare when he did it.

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brown eyed girl

Awww....This clip from Once Were Brothers really moved me because Robbie is sharing about his mother and how music helped him discover where he belongs.

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Norm J

Subject: Clint Eastwood

A bit of trivia. Clint Eastwood, (getting close to 90) did a movie a while back "The Mule" in this movie Toby Keith sings, "Don't Let The old man in". Watch the youtube video and you'll understand.

Toby Keith was playing a round of golf with Clint. He says to Clint, how do you do it? At your age how do you keep going on like this? Clint says, "Well...when I get up every morning I just don't let the old man in."

For those of us getting up there in age and facing the possibility of this virus, keep this in mind and watch the video. Whether you are a fan of Clint's or not you have to admire his "stayin' power".

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brown eyed girl

Robbie Robertson Recalls Writing "The Weight" in Martin Scorsese-Produced Doc Once Were Brothers.

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brown eyed girl

...and another short clip from Once Were Brothers for the casual The Band fan.

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brown eyed girl

...another short clip from Once Were Brothers.

haso...Yes Maude has been here under another name and a member from Ollabelle under another name. Up to them to share names or not.

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Ben

Subject: Detroit city

By day I work the cars, by night I work the bars.... Norm, you're right about the song. It really is about the southern (primarily black) migration from rural south to industrial north. It reminds me of 'long black limousine' that Elvis recorded in the late 60's.

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Norm J

Subject: Detroit City

I thought some one might take me to task......but no takers. In actual fact Danny Dill (Long Black Veil) co wrote Detroit City with Mel Tillis.

Remember the stories of how so many people from the south (mostly black) came north to motor city (Motown) to work in the factories building cars. That was the motivation for the song.

Tom Jones recording is second behind Bobby Bare.

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Ben

Subject: Tom Jones

Peter, The Tom Jones version of 'Detroit City' is the one I'm familiar with. He is a great singer. Very versatile. I would list him in the first rank of white soul/r&b singers along with Elvis, Richard, Van, Joe Cocker, and Steve Winwood.

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Peter V

News to me! It brings back memories of working on the Tom Jones show when Tom sang it twice nightly, six nights a week. Great song.

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Norm J

Subject: The evening tide

I went and pulled my traps this afternoon. It was awful.......Susan and I had to eat a BIG Dungeness crab each...along with some prawns and a green salad :-).

I was sitting here watching one of my favourite videos of all time and a thought occurred to me. If you could have just one concert that you could be at of all time, what would it be? For me it's easy. Roy Orbison's black & white concert.

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Norm J

Subject: M-m-m-mel

If you really want to see what Mel did in his career take a look at Wiki for example....He wrote Detroit City and you know how many recorded that.

His daughter Pam is a song writer and so is his son. When he was unducted into the Grand Old Oprey it was by his daughter Pam.........pretty cool.

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Peter V

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brown eyed girl

Islands in the stream
That is what we are
No one in between
How can we be wrong
Sail away with me
To another world
And we rely on each other, ah ha
From one lover to another, ah ha

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Dag B.

I think Mel Tillis was one of those artists who made it big in America but not so much in Europe. The first time I saw a video of him singing, I thought "it's the guy from Cannonball Run II!"

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brown eyed girl

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brown eyed girl

Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In)

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Pat B

I thought of Kenny Rogers a bit during OWB when Mickey Jones got some screen time.

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Norm J

Subject: Mel Tillis

Sure Ben. You can see a youtube vid of Mel singing this. He does it best. Any one not knowing about Mel Tillis just isn't old enough to know old country. (no disrespect). Mel Tillis was huge. Another one of those guys who wrote multi hits for other artists. If you didn't know Mel has a terrible stutter that goes away when he sings.

Years ago I watched him in an interview maybe with Johnny Carson he is stuttering so bad Johnny says to him how can you sing like that and not stutter. Mel really jokes about it. He says it's so bad one time I was at an auction for cattle looking to buy a bull for my ranch. One comes up that I really wanted. I'm trying to get a word out. It was so bad by the time I finally got it out the damn bull cost me $13,000. Seriously if you listen to Mel sing White Christmas (I have it on a country Christmas album.) The best any one ever sang that song.

Mel's daughter Pam Tillis is a great singer as well. Ben I never watched "Born on the Fourth of July". Nor those top gun movies. Just not a big fan of Tom Cruise. I liked "The Firm".

Self isolation. I been down on our yacht sanding and staining the binnacle shelf. That would be like the dash in your car. Except this is 12 ft wide by 3 ft fore and aft. The forward windows are 42"x32". So the sun shining in when it's hot really bakes the mahogany. It's 52 years old and with different appliances there like compass, monitor for navigation, tv screen etc. It is all different colours now. I'm trying to make it sort of the same colour. Good luck.

Any way our isolation, we load up the yacht, cruise up some quiet inlet where no one is around. Drop anchor, eat, read, drink a glass of wine and fish prawns and crabs. Forget about the world.

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Dave H

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Peter V

I didn't know Mel Tillis wrote Ruby. I'd barely heard of him until I did the long article on Nancy Sinatra. They did an album together, Mel & Nancy in 1981. From the review:

Mel Tillis was a massive country star in America in the 1970s. I’ll venture that outside the dedicated country & western scene, few British people have heard of him. Yet this is a guy with thirty-six US Top Ten Country singles, many more in the Top 100 and six country number one hits.

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Ben

Subject: Ruby

Norm, Did Mel Tillis record a version of 'Ruby' also? I knew that he wrote it, but the only versions I'm familiar with are by Rogers and Perkins. They're both very good, but I'd probably give the edge to Perkins. Regarding 'Forest Gump', I've always thought that LT. Dan was basically a riff on Tom Crusie in "Born on the Fourth of July".

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Norm J

Subject: Ruby

Ben, I expect you know Mel Tillis wrote Ruby. Some figure about the Vietnam war, however at his age some of us kind of think the Korean war. Which ever some of the comments now a day on this internet which we never had in the 60's are gut wrenching. The fellows who survived unspeakable wounds and torment mentally as well as physically. Now we have to watch it daily in Afganistan and Iraq. I hope for the generations of today they may get to see an end to this.

In Forrest Gump, Gary Senise played the part so well of a man loosing his legs and having to come to terms with his life. Probably the best part of the movie when he turns to Forrest and says, "Forrest, I never thanked you for saving my life."

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Ben

Subject: Ruby

I was sad to hear about Kenny's passing. "Ruby, don't take your love to town" was one of Kenny's best performances. Carl Perkins also did a fine version of that song.

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Peter V

Subject: Morgan - A Suitable Case For Treatment

Latest in the series, starring David Warner and Vanessa Redgrave with Robert Stephens … plus Irene Handl, Bernard Bresslaw and Arthur Mullard. It could have been Hamlet meets Carry On films, but it has become a cult movie.

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Norm J

Subject: The Gambler

The Gambler is gone. RIP Kenny Rogers passed at 81. Ruby, don't take your love to town.

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Joe Frey

As I often say, music is intensely personal. I love Paul Butterfield but not a fan of Joe Bonamassa. I watched the PB biopic on one of the streaming services and was quite moved by it. My impression was that his "chops" were accepted by his African-American idols as the real thing. I think he needs to be in the conversation of great white blues singers/players.

Peter V. I am a big Fleetwood Mac fan of the era up to and including Then Play On. I do believe that Peter Green evolved as a blues singer. The compilation "English Rose," shows his growth over time. Also, the three-cd set Live in Boston is terrific from my perspective (but be forewarned, it includes two 20+ minutes versions of Rattlesnake Shake, so its not for the casual fan). joe

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Norm J

Subject: Speaking of Black Face

I just watched the very long documentary of Joe Cocker's life a very good film. Several comments from Billy Joel. One particular one I liked after a clip of Joe and Ray Charles together. Billy Joel says, "We were all trying to sound like Ray. Joe didn't even have to try". It's really a wonder Joe lived as long as he did. A lot of stamina.

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Peter V

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Peter V

Bill - Al Jolson used to think he was doing a sincere tribute too.

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haso

Subject: OWB

Todd: from 3.16, (byjeezus I got a ways to go to catch up w/ the gb; maybe this weekend). Thanks for the shout out; actually my spouse uses that term "lens" constantly, although not always acknowledging her own... but that's not a subject for here. Also thanks for your review and Pat's, etc comments. I also noticed the shout out to Jan in the credits.

I'd probably get into a ramble, like Far East Man talked about too, but won't right now. Yeah, FEM, most nobody here would know what you meant if you gave it a more authentic title... Downeast, as you are. My son-in-law's brother just moved your way, working in a small sailloft, probably at your zipcode or one of the towns on either side of you. (He's worked at Artisan Boatworks in another time).

A question for some of you longtimers, Peter V, Angie, John D, et.al.: other than Sebastian, has anyone else directly ever visited here? Often wondered for instance if John Simon ever reads us. I'd kind of hope his recent memoir (maybe you'd call it that, seemed more like a fleshed-out outline for the same) would give more. I don't find it at all likely that Garth will say much, in any venue really. As I've said before, I think he primarily speaks through his fingers. Conversation earlier this month about the artists' talk-track on the 2001 TLW dvd interested me a lot. I've listened to that quite a few times. Never had any idea what the coda-like piece was that Garth ends it all w/, just always seemed like his response/comment, maybe to the Greensleeves part that ends the movie soundtrack or the somewhat-overwrought (my opinion, only) Last Waltz Refrain or Theme that they were playing on the MGM soundstage. That just seems like how Garth "speaks". Norm's mentioned the R. Stone video piece where Garth revisits Big Pink. I noted right away, the 1st time I watched that, how Garth really comes to life when he hits the piano in the basement.

Thanks to all of you who keep this conversation going... especially Dag and BEG for the multitude of links.

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Bill M

Peter V: I saw John Hammond at Harbourfront here in the early '80s and he was fantastic. But I don't like his mid '60s vocals either. And while I'm not sure what "ludicrous" is supposed to mean exactly in Marcus's characterisation - beyond conveying a strong dislike - I can live with that sort of hyperbole. But calling Hammond's vocals 'blackface' is to me unconscionable. Blackface was a form of ridicule, generally intentional, whereas Hammond was trying hard to sound like the voices of singer he greatly admired. That's why I called Marcus's words "drive-by sliming".

Lisa: I feel your pain. Maybe you could see the two or three months when Vancouver's indie / repertory theatres will be closed as an opportunity to mount a campaign for one of the theatres to open with a boffo box-office pairing of OWB with, oh, TLW. Or even "Ain't In It for My Health". Phone calls and emails.

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Lisa

Strange days for sure - I hope everybody manages to stay safe and healthy here.

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Peter V

Without looking it up, didn't Marcus say "ludicrous blackface vocals." That's about right.

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Peter V

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Ben

Subject: Greil Marcus

Bill, I wasn't able to get very far into 'Invisible Republic'. I found the Sid Griffin book on the basement tapes to be much more readable. Have you read 'Stranded', a collection of essays on desert island discs edited by Marcus? That book has the great Lester Bangs essay on 'Astral Weeks'. Definitely worth a read.

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Bill M

Still, my big beef with the book is Marcus's drive-by sliming of John Hammond Jr. And why he hasn't seen fit to get rid of that one clause after all these years is totally beyond me. Other than that, I also take issue with Marcus portraying the Hawks as an empty vessel until they crossed the border, and maybe until they met Bob - a stance that is also apparent in his "Invisible Republic" book about the Basement Tapes. But still, it's something that I encourage everyone to read. Better than watching viral virus videos that people foist on you - though you'll have to find an open bookstore.

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Bill M

Chirpy and clever!

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Ben

Subject: Mystery Train

I have 2 or 3 editions of 'Mystery Train'. It's a great book. Marcus updated the discography with each edition, so the latest edition has a very lengthy discography. I don't always agree with Marcus' analyses, but it's certainly worth reading.

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brown eyed girl

Hi Bill M... I also have...The Story of The Band: From Big Pink to The Last Waltz Hardcover by Harvey Kubernik
I wasn't going to buy it but then John Donabie (You give good voice.) was referenced on three different pages. Just checked my book collection and for some reason sold Mystery Train...

I AM WHAT I PLAY
-JOHN DONABIE WITH DAVID MARSDEN & ROGER KING
AUDIO DECEMBER 10, 2019

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Roger

Subject: RAH

We were all pretty buzzed at the RAH show.

Great John Simon photos BEG. He’s got a tremendous CV.

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John D

Good for you Peter. It's like the endless repackaging of CD's & CD Box Sets .over & over again. How many can you own?

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Peter V

Just saw on Facebook. Greil Marcus's Mystery Train is just being issued by the Folio Society with photographs and updated notes. Trouble is it's £49.95 so I won't be buying one.

Folio Society do beautiful editions in slipcases and claim they are collectible. Some are. Most aren't. Stuff people paid £30 for as an "investment" 20 years ago now goes for £5-£10 mostly. There are exceptions and they're beautiful books to pick up secondhand for £5, as I have done for favourites like Steinbeck's Travels With Charley which I wanted to re-read but on nice paper at a decent text size. I picked up 100 Years of Solitude secondhand recently, though that was £15. But paying £49.95? No …

However, it is an accolade testifying to the importance of the book.

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Pat B

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Bill M

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Norm J

Subject: Starbugs

I'm wondering if anyone else has heard this group of children singing Dylan? Produced by a fella named Whitaker. Singing Mr Tambourine Man. These kids are jaw dropping good. Their harmonies are excellent. I'm not sure if it's a track of the Bryds they are singing to or their own live music. Listen to this it is wonderful.

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brown eyed girl

John Simon Gallery
23 Photos

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brown eyed girl

Thank you Lucas, Wallsend and Pat B.

Jim Keltner's memories on The Band and other parts of other interviews also found in...

NEW DOCUMENTARY ON ROBBIE ROBERTSON AND THE BAND OUT SOON
LATEST MUSIC NEWS
FEBRUARY 5, 2020
HARVEY KUBERNIK

"In my 1975 interview with Robbie Robertson for Crawdaddy magazine, I asked Robbie about the double keyboard combination of piano and organ. I wondered if guitarist Robbie ever felt suffocated by this format.

“No. I play as much as I want to play. No one is telling me, ‘Listen, you’re playing too much.’ That’s my own decision. That’s how much I prefer to do. When I hear other people play a lot more than required I find it really drivel and there’s nothing in this fuckin’ wide world that’s going to do anything for the song; I don’t care. I like a good guitar part where it adds something, has a nice place and is a nice solo. Not too much, not too little. But I think as time goes on it just takes different proportions, and too much is unnecessary.”

Robertson’s guitar theory seems to simply extend his basic life philosophy of unhurried discipline.

Or, as Bob Dylan said when he called to talk about Robbie for the magazine: “Listen to his guitar playing. "That’s all you have to know about him.”

“If you are a singing drummer you have a great advantage. I’ve always played to the vocal and I found out that Ringo and countless other drummers, I’m sure, do as well.

“Levon was able to push or pull the groove any way he felt it by singing and playing at the same time. The way he felt space was magnificent. His biggest influences were the blues bands he heard as a young man. The geniuses from the Delta and around where he was from.

“So to hear that Big Pink LP and then go to a couple of tracking sessions in Hollywood for their next album and to hear Levon singing and playing with one of the greatest singing bass players, Rick Danko, who always made me wanna cry. Such a sweet soulful voice. And Richard Manuel was the voice that sounded like it was coming straight from heaven. Garth Hudson creating a totally unique sound for the Band. His keyboards seemed to have a voice just as soulful and timeless as Rick and Richard’s. And, of course, those epic songs and perfectly formed guitar parts and solos of Robbie Robertson.

“I was in New York in July 1969 with Delaney and Bonnie. One night I ended up at the Hit Factory, I think, could have been A&R studios. John Simon and Robbie and the guys were mixing ‘The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.’ They had recorded the track a few weeks earlier in Hollywood.

“I can’t even begin to describe what that scene was like. I was sitting in the back on a couch watching this happen. There were four or five pairs of hands all over the studio console. The song seeped into my soul so much so that later when I would hear it on the radio and remember that evening with those guys as they mixed I would just cry. It still gets to me when I hear it.

“Levon makes you believe this guy Virgil Kane and his deep Southern pride. I am so glad I met Levon as early on as I did. His goodhearted soulfulness helped change my outlook on music and people. I will never tire of hearing the Band play and sing those great songs.”

Hi Lisa. Hope you are doing well on the west coast...considering. As George Harrison said...All Things Must Pass.

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R.E.

I’m honestly surprised so many folks like the movie. I really thought it was quite weak — of course beggars can’t be choosers, but musically speaking it pales in comparison to Bob Smeatons Classic Albums take on the Band. A couple of friends saw it and walked out thinking Robbie was the undisputed leader, they didn’t even remember Richards full name.

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Pat B

The Cave Hollywood article. The Jim Keltner reminiscence is required reading.

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Wallsend

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Lucas

Director Daniel Roher spent a weekend interviewing Hudson. "He played music for me, and we had an amazing time together," the director says in the film's production notes. But the results were not used "for reasons that are difficult to discuss."

David Frickle gave OWB a healthy 4-star review in the May edition of Mojo Magazine.

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Bill M

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Peter V

Subject: Accident

Another for the 60s film fans … Joseph Losey & Harold Pinter's "Accident" from 1967. Greatly influential. It passes the recommended self-isolation time, though Mrs V is beginning to feel that tidying up and sorting out my 45s and LPs might be a better use of my time than reviewing films.

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Bill M

Subject: upcoming Sadies album of archival stuff includes Garth

The following paragraph can be found at the end of the item at the link above: “Veteran Canadian roots-rockers The Sadies reach into their extensive archives for a new release. Archives Vol. 1 Rarities, Oddities and Radio: 1995-2019 compiles material that includes collaborations with other artists. That star-studded list features Garth Hudson, Greg Keelor, Rick White (Eric’s Trip), John Doe (X), Mary Margaret O'Hara, Gord Downie, Andrew Scott (Sloan), and more. The exclusive vinyl package comes out March 27 via Dine Alone Records.”

For non-Canuckistanis, Greg Keelor is one of the principals in Blue Rodeo, and the late, lamented Gord Downie fronted the Tragically Hip (Canada's First National Band, I'd say - above even Rush, not to mention our guys).

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Peter. v

B side royalties are why many Phil Spector productions have a short generic instrumental on the B side credited to Phil. Cilla Black liked to have her husband’s compositions on the B side. Many records have The A side by a major songwriter with a B side composed by the performer.

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Bill M

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Bill M

Kevin J: The writer of the b-side would be entitled to be treated just like the writer of the a-side in turns of sales. Of course, they could still be screwed by management or the record company, but not because it was the b-side.

About 25 years ago I went to see the great Brent Titcomb play at the Free Times on College. I forget what the songs were, but when he played an original of his that had been the b-side of one of Anne Murray's big early hits, he pointed out that he got the same sales royalties as the writer of the hit, and joked that writers call such a b-side a 'Tourister' (as in luggage), because "Wherever the a-side goes, the b-side goes."

You're right about them not receiving royalties from airplay - because there wouldn't have been (at least for most b-sides).

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Jeb Stuart

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brown eyed girl

To the perfect stranger in Illinois.....Happy Healthy St. Paddy's Day....and to anyone else who will be celebrating at home this year.

Van Morrison would have been another early musical love...all because of Brown Eyed Girl. I was happy that we were being honoured instead of the blue eyed girls like Louuu's Pale Blue Eyes....and ok....the bouncy tempo and bass lines. I never looked back but I did sell his two Country based CDS... ;-D

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Kevin J

* Rod: Really sorry that your trip to Vietnam is off. Understandable, of course but sure hope circumstances change and in a year or so we can all get back to a normal life with travel being a big part of that. Of all the places I have been fortunate enough to travel to, I would rank Vietnam at the very top of my list. 1991 - taking train trips up the coast on slow single gauge tracks, meeting a couple of lost English teaching ladies from England and spending crazy days and nights with them on China beach in Danang...... Hue, Dalat ( mountain area that bragged the best coffee in the world ), Hanoi and Halong Bay which at the time had only one boat in service and took 8-10 hours to get to from Hanoi on the world’s bumpiest road.......Here’s the surprise.....unlike most travel stories that end with “oh, if only you had seen it in its day” , travelled back to Vietnam 25 years later and though certain parts had changed considerably it was still fabulous - everywhere. Nha Trang would be the only place I would suggest to avoid.

* BWNWILos Angeles........ Great to see you back and I really liked that walk on the beach post. I too have good feelings when I think of Shangri-La and would like to see the place one day. Funny, how little of the California association has stuck with The Band even though they all pretty much lived there for the entirety of group’s 8 year existence and beyond.

* Domenic Troiano & Joy to the World........I understand the additional revenue that a hit single would have generated from radio play - but back in the day when people purchased the physical 45 in massive numbers and in the case of Joy to the World probably in the area of 500,000 purchases, would the composer of the music on the B side not have benefited in the exact same way from the sales. If so, Troiano would have made out very well indeed.

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brown eyed girl

“By that time, I don’t think you could have kept The Band together. Everybody had something they wanted to do. And after The Last Waltz, we started chasing those dreams”
— Levon Helm on the dissolution of The Band voice heard in Once Were Brothers.
Video Clip via Robbie Robertson's Twitter page with Robbie and Dominique... for Rod and others who haven't seen Once Were Brothers...yet.

Thank you Dag! I always wanted to hear the interview with Peter Stone Brown and Bob Marley...next one up will be with Garland Jeffreys.

When Jez Butterworth said, "To paraphrase Jon Savage on The Clash, within thirty seconds I was transfixed, within a minute changed forever. Indeed, after The Clash and The Smiths, The Band became the third great musical love of my life."
Probably hearing Dylan's "Like A Rolling Store" via car radio, seeing Bob Marley for the very first time on TV performing....first two musical loves. Like many The Band fans of a certain vintage....We loved The Band and appreciated them but....It was TLW that made us take notice forever. As I've posted before...I sat at The Elgin Theatre for two showings that day. It would be years later that I would see Festival Express at the same Theatre.

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Kevin J

Dag B........Thank you. Great to hear PSB’s voice again.......and for those in need of a smile - do check out the into to interview no. 31 and the unedited fun from Rick and especially Richard. “Rick Brown and Peter Danko!

And nice to hear Levon 1981. Lovely chat with Peter. The radio promo bit is funny as well as Levon changes it up a bit !

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Far East Man

Subject: Thanks Dave

Aha - I thought I might have heard it somewhere. So glad you answered, even though I was hoping that there might be some more unreleased stuff.... oh well. Stay safe everyone. Blessings & peace.

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Dag B.

Subject: Peter Stone Brown interviews

Audio files: Peter talks to Levon, Rick and Richard, John Simon + many others

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Glenn

Thanks Kevin J, Pat B, and BEG for the info about Robbie and Charles Lloyd. I wonder what "the still-unreleased recordings he made with the Dead, The Band’s Levon Helm and Robbie Robertson, Cream bassist Jack Bruce and former San Diegan Frank Zappa" could be.

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Bill M

Since I was talking about keyboardist Michael Fonfara and singer Johnny Wright the other day, especially Fonfara (Rhinoceros, Lou Reed, Downchild, et al), I thought I'd post this YouTube clip - same restaurant (the Outrigger) where I saw them on Saturday, but clearly a warmer time of our year.

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Peter V

Subject: Darling (1965)

Keeping myself occupied in the situation …

Three Julie Christie films in a row. Latest in the 60s retrospectives, is DARLING (linked) directed by John Schlesinger 1965. Julie Christie, Dirk Bogarde and Laurence Harvey. It was highly acclaimed back in 1965 for its view of “swinging London” and was considered ahead of its time. Time however has not been kind.

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brown eyed girl

Charles Lloyd, Arrows into Infinity

Wife, Filmmaker Dorothy Darr Takes Us Behind the Music
Aly Comingore
Jan 26, 2013

"Directed by Lloyd’s wife/manager, Dorothy Darr, the film lovingly retraces the iconic jazz man’s humble beginnings, big-city triumphs, cross-over successes, and his ongoing spiritual journey through music, and features appearances by everyone from Robbie Robertson to Herbie Hancock to Ornette Coleman."

When was the project started and when did you wrap production?

This had its earnest beginnings in 2008 when my co-director Jeffery Morse and I decided a full-spectrum documentary of Charles should be made. Charles will celebrate his 75th birthday this March, so, to be sure, I needed to be finished before then. Last fall we were nearing the end of our editing when I got word that Robbie Robertson wanted to contribute to the film, but we weren’t able to schedule his interview until the very end of October. We were hesitant because of the late date, but he had so much to share that I was very happy that we went ahead with it."

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Peter V

Subject: Charles Lloyd

I posted this a few weeks or months back. Charles Lloyd with Lucinda Williams in 2018.

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brown eyed girl

Pat B... :-D
It does appear that Robbie was on the track Sun Dance with Charles Lloyd.

Charles Lloyd - tenor saxophone, flute
Gábor Szabó - guitar
Ron Carter - bass (tracks 1-3, 5-10)
Tony Williams - drums (tracks 1-3, 5-10)
Albert Stinson - bass (tracks 11-12)
Pete LaRoca - drums (tracks 11-12)
Robbie Robertson - second guitar (track 12)

haso and Todd... Thank you for sharing your thoughts On Once Were Brothers. I only posted that I saw it. The three Canadian stooges/musketeers... Bill M, brown eyed girl and Kevin J saw it in three different theatres as we were practising social distancing.

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brown eyed girl

CULTURE
The Re-Flowering: Charles Lloyd's Second Golden Age
The jazz saxophonist went from 1960s pop stardom to years of self-imposed exile, but he’s now producing some of the best music of his career.

DAVID A. GRAHAM
DECEMBER 1, 2016
Music Tracks Included

The Atlantic

In 1964, he jumped to the band led by alto saxophonist Cannonball Adderley. "The following year, he went out on his own as a leader, and recorded his classic record Of Course, Of Course. (One of the musicians on that session was the guitarist Robbie Robertson, who at the time was also backing Bob Dylan as a member of the Hawks.)

Leaving New York, he first he went to Malibu, where he hung out with the Beach Boys (who appear on his ill-received 1971 release Warm Waters), Bob Dylan, and Peter Fonda. He eventually decamped farther, to Big Sur, living in near-seclusion. He hung out with Cat Stevens. He practiced Bach cello suites alone on saxophone. He swam in the ocean and hiked at night. (“I learned to get my Native American night vision back,” he said.) Lloyd never stopped playing music, but he seldom played publicly."

BWNWILos Angeles and Glenn... :-D

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BWNWILos Angeles

Rod, I drove up to Shangri La a year or two ago. You can't really see anything from the road, but it is cool to see the area. Zuma Beach is right down the hill.

It makes sense that Rick moved back to Woodstock if Levon was there and encouraged him to. And once they were there, it's easier to understand why the others eventually decided to also come back. And certainly the cost of living would have been a factor, although they could have gone almost anywhere to find someplace cheaper than Malibu.

Levon's book, which was published in 1993, said that Garth had "recently" moved back to Woodstock. So he was in LA for quite a long time. It would have been interesting if Robbie had also moved back and they all ended up as neighbors again, while no longer working together.

The Band's connection to Woodstock has always reminded me of the Allman Brothers' connection to Macon, GA. Both small towns that nobody from the bands were actually from, but they moved there at the beginning of their recording careers. And the towns ended up defining them, in a way, and vice versa. And all of the band members gradually drifted away. The difference is that almost all of The Band eventually returned, while none of the Allman Brothers did (in life, anyway).

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Kevin J

...and unless I am mixing things up, I believe Robbie goes into quite a bit of detail about his interactions with Charles Lloyd in Testimony.

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Pat B

Although John Simon says RR played on Third Floor Richard, this one actually sounds like RR.

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Pat B

Here you go, Glenn.

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Glenn

Just stumbled upon an interesting article in the San Diego Union-Tribune (March 15, 2020) about jazz legend Charles Lloyd. “You find out if someone is sincere, and (Dead guitarist-singer) Jerry Garcia was very sincere,” Lloyd said. “And (Airplane drummer) Spencer Dryden was a jazz drummer when I went to USC, so there was cross-pollination, so to speak. Spencer and those guys were always waiting for us to arrive at the Fillmore and the Dead always wanted us to be on their show.

“I had the same experience in New York with Bob Dylan and The Band, before I moved to California. Dylan lived around the corner from me in the West Village. He’d come to my place and I’d visit him at his apartment and at his place in Woodstock. I knew The Band from their time before Dylan as The Hawks, when they were backing Ronnie Hawkins. The guys in The Band were all sincere, they had talent, and there was something there that was very soulful. Something began to happen and I didn’t feel alienated.

“The Airplane, the Dead, The Band and Dylan had all heard the (blues and R&B) music I grew up playing. So bonding with them wasn’t so much (aesthetic) catholicism on my part as much as I had this experience of all this deep music and genre didn’t get in the way.”

Lloyd fondly recalls the still-unreleased recordings he made with the Dead, The Band’s Levon Helm and Robbie Robertson, Cream bassist Jack Bruce and former San Diegan Frank Zappa.

Has anyone heard of these sessions before?

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Dave H

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Kevin J

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brown eyed girl

Typed Manuscript Lyrics for "Lonesome Susie"
Richard Manuel
Price: $8,000.00

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brown eyed girl

PODCAST EPISODE 015: Stephen Davis
Berklee Online
Marley, Levon, and many other musicians.

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Pat B

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Norm J

Subject: 3 DOG NIGHT

Hoyt Axton also wrote "Never Been to Spain" that those guys recorded.

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John D

Bill, Joy To The World was a song written by Hoyt Axton.

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Far East Man

Subject: Caledonia

I’m not sure if I’m remembering this clearly, but when I saw “Once Were Brothers”, I thought I heard a very different version of Caledonia Mission during the film. Was it s dream? Just me?

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Bill M

I'm listening now to "Grooves & Messages: The Greatest Hits of War". Even includes "Spill The Wine" - though not "Let's Go Bareback Riding". Next up is "East LA", which brings to mind Cheech and Chong; Tom Chong and TDN drummer Floyd Sneed were brothers-in-law from Alberta.

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Pat B

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Dag B.

I've always mixed the Buckinghams up with the Fleetwoods.

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Bill M

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Pat B

Bill M, Pankow was a Park Ridge native, a suburb of Chicago about 15 minutes from where I grew up. He joined The Big Thing when he was at De Paul studying music (a great music school for jazz btw). That would have been early 1967. The Buckinghams were on the scene earlier. They had some notoriety because they were on a local TV show every week in 1966. Although their initial radio play songs had horns, they had no horn players in the group. Kind of a Drag predates their Guercio years which began around the same time The Big Thing was formed. Guercio started managing The Big Thing in early 1968 when they moved to LA. So, no, Pankow had no involvement that I know of in the Buckinghams. He did, however, have a Three Dog Night connection which Kevin Bacon's him to The Band.

Hopefully I didn't push any buttons. I'm so good at it that I do it in my sleep.

Todd, I'm ribbing you.

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Bill M

Pat B: As a Chicagoan, maybe you know if Pankow was ever in the Buckinghams, like Grebb - maybe an auxiliary member. I'm pretty sure both were managed / produced by Jim Guercio; maybe the Pencils too?

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Peter V

Terry Danko gave information on The Pencils. Some references have mentioned Richard Manuel as a member, but in fact he only sat in on a few live shows before and after their only album was recorded in 1983. The Pencils consisted of Marty Grebb (guitar, piano, sax, vocal), Terry Danko (bass, vocal), Chris Pinnick (guitar) and Michael Dee (drums).

An album was recorded at One Step Up studio in Van Nuys, California, which consisted of Terry Danko / Marty Grebb songs. They also produced. On the album, Danko and Grebb were joined by Chris Pinnick (guitar), Ricky Fattar (drums), Jimmy Pankow (trombone) and Joe Lala (percussion). Backing vocals were added by Richard Manuel, Mike Finnigan and Steven Stills.

Nine songs were cut, but then Terry Danko had a serious car accident and was out of music for a year. The album suffered from changing fashions in the interim, and never got released. Sadly, no one can turn up the master tapes either. So the lost Pencils album is a genuine lost Richard Manuel session. END

Richard was back in Woodstock for the 1985 interviews, presumably from when The Band was revived in 1983,

People do driftback to places where they were happy!

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Bill M

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Rod

One day, when things get back to normal, I want to do what you did and even venture up to Shangri-La.

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BWNWILos Angeles

I went for a drive today (because there's not much else to do right now) and found myself ending up in Malibu, right next to the Malibu Colony. That's the exclusive gated community that Robbie moved to when he first moved to LA in '73, which he talks about in his book. You can't access the community if you're not a resident, but I did walk along the beach in front of the houses. I couldn't help but wondering which one was where Robbie lived (if it hasn't been replaced). It's a beautiful location, but it always amazes me that the people who have the money for those kinds of houses are wiling to be squeezed in so closely between other houses. It strikes me as almost like living in an apartment building. There are privacy walls and shrubs, but if you sat on your porch watching the sunset you'd certainly hear your neighbors talking on their porch.

I find the timeline of the other Band members leaving California to head back to Woodstock interesting. I believe Levon was the first, claiming (in his typically cheerful fashion) that California 'sucked the big one," or something like that. Rick stayed for several years after TLW, I believe. I think Richard stayed longer, but seemed to be back in Woodstock by the early to mid '80s. Garth seemed to stay the longest, which strikes me as a little surprising. It's also rather interesting that they all (besides Robbie, of course) made their way back to Woodstock, considering that none of them were originally from there. And it's not like The Band was around and based out of there at the time that most of them moved back.

I was lucky enough to see Robbie do a Q&A after the premiere of OWB here. I really don't get why some people say he comes across as arrogant. He has always struck me as incredibly gracious and generous. Perhaps you have to listen to him speak for more than just soundbites to pick that up.

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Todd

Thanks Pat. I think....

I do apologize for the typo in "wiords". Not sure how that happened. It's like I'm inventing new language here.
Guess I should have just posted my original review and left it at that. I may post an updated review tomorrow that will be more acceptable.
Peace.

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Pat B

"I will refrain from loaded language to the best of my ability." Yeah, really good job avoiding loaded language.

My apologies to Jan.

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Bill M

Ray M and BEG: Lou's keyboard player on "Take No Prisons" (and five or six other albums), was Michael Fonfara. I spent a good part of yesterday afternoon about 10 feet from him and his keyboard at the Outrigger in the Beach(es) area of Toronto, where he can be found most Saturdays playing with Johnny Wright and Robbie Rox. He never ceases to amaze me, pouring everything into his playing, even if half of the songs were in last week, last month, last decade. "The Weight" and Levon's "Violet Eyes". Johnny Wright, a great singer, was asked to be part of the annual Tribute to Levon show at Hugh's Room last fall and decided to do something different, and chose "Violet Eyes" - and added it to his regular repertoire.

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Todd

Subject: Balance

Jon L. Thank you.

BEG, thanks, interesting interview with Levon.

A general comment. I hope that I'm not coming across as too much of a hall monitor, church lady, or school marm. I think people should post whatever they want. Heck, sometimes the fireworks are fun! I'm just at a point in my life where I don't need to be adding to the drama. It usually ends up being like a sugar high, which is fun for a moment, and then you inevitably feel like crap later. And sometimes I care too much about what people think. I guess that is my kryptonite.

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brown eyed girl

"Actor, musician Levon Helm raps with Thomas Grooms on October 17th, 1983 about the future of "The Band," Robbie Robertson, Bob Dylan, Ringo Starr, George Harrison and the movie "The Right Stuff," backstage at The Wax Museum Nightclub in Southwest D.C. after a show, for WKIK radio in Leonardtown, Maryland."

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Rod

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brown eyed girl

Once Were Brothers...Now In Theatres

http://www.magpictures.com/oncewerebrothers/get-tickets/

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Jon Lyness

Great OWB review, Todd, enjoyable and much food for thought. Well done.

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Todd

Subject: Not my cross to bear

Pat, I would say that people (including yourself) can decide for themselves, how they would like to engage. That is one of the freedoms that we enjoy. And I've decided (for myself) that I will refrain from loaded language to the best of my ability.

I read a lot of tut-tutting here about the horrors of Facebook discourse, and how we should rise above that here. I'm not judging anyone, but my responsibility starts and ends with myself. In other words, I'm not going there, and will try to keep my own house in order.

Good golly, I was just trying to post my impressions of the film, for the benefit of those who haven't seen it yet. I'm not trying to litigate anything. Your mileage may vary. Cheers!

Far East Man, I respect your viewpoint and appreciate your reserve. I haven't found Pat's language offensive by any stretch. But he does an excellent job choosing trigger wiords designed to bait people into argument. He's very talented and knows what buttons to push.

By the way, many credits rolled at the end of the film. It was nice to see Jan H get a mention.

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Far East Man

Subject: The Band

I’m a big supporter of pausing and thinking before I dive to these sometimes contentious debates. I went hiking this morning and I thought about this Band related stuff quite a bit - I thought I might just riff for awhile here and lay out my 30 year thoughts about “The Fued”, but I’m tired and I’m not ready for it yet. Pat, I’ve never found your comments offensive - I’m not sure where that came from. I really don’t think it was much of a fued - Robbie never really engaged, and I think he has every right to talk about and celebrate his part in the history of the group. Take a recent quote by Garth - “Robbie’s the only one that quit The Band.” I would disagree. I would agree with him if he said “I’m the only member that didn’t quit.” Garth is way to humble to say such a thing. I might decide to riff one of these days - it might be interesting.

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Pat B

LH on Danko dying: "Rick died with his money in their pockets...Rick worked himself to death...and the reason was because he'd been fucked out of his money." LH on RR at Rick's funeral: "He got up and spouted off a lot of self-serving tripe about how great Rick had sung the songs that he--Robertson--had written. It made me sick to hear...He knows he's got Rick Danko's money in his pocket. He knows that." Todd, honestly, how should I describe Levon claiming that RR killed Rick? If anything, I'd say I lowkey'ed it.

btw, 93% of Levon's book is on the OQ.

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brown eyed girl

Yes Ray Mizumura!!
Btw is your partner related to the writer?!

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Todd

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Rod

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Norm J

Subject: A Breath of Fresh Air

Todd! Nothing but class...........as usual. Thanks.

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Todd

Subject: The Road Not Taken

Pat, To answer the three questions that you posed to me. I’ll answer sequentially. No, no, and most definitely no. Our outing to the movie was meant to be a nice afternoon out, enjoying a common interest, and to keep things light. It was not meant to be debate club or a Facebook style battle in person. There was some talk on the topic, but I felt that turning an outing with friends into some sort of courtroom cross examination wasn’t appropriate. Somehow trying to score points against a friend who invited me out didn't seem like the thing to do.

I tried to limit my review to my personal impressions of the film, and keep it balanced and honest without resorting to any inflammatory language. I only supplied the reactions of my friends, because Wallsend asked. I really haven’t engaged in any feud related talk since 2012 and it’s not my intention to start up again now. Since the accountant had read Levon’s book, and has now seen Robbie's perspective in ‘Once Were Brothers’, I feel that he has the requisite knowledge (from the principals) to make his own decisions.

For what it’s worth, I feel that using charged words like: “cabal”, “demanded”, “fatal”, “scourge” and “rag”, while effective and colorful, can only serve to elicit emotionally charged responses. That may play well in the world of Facebook, but I’ve managed to basically avoid Facebook up to this point in my life. There's enough drama in the real world, I don’t need to go looking for trouble. And I always thought that this place was supposed to be a safe harbor from those types of pyrotechnics. Please know that I’m not looking for an argument, and I do appreciate your passion and knowledge for all things Band! After this post, I’m going to crack open a double IPA from Vermont, and try to temporarily forget that the world is spiraling out of control.

Ben, glad that you enjoyed my perspective. I know there's many here who would love to see the film, but have to wait, so I wanted to share my thoughts, without too many spoilers. But most people here know the chronology, so I didn’t think that was too much of an issue.

Joe Frey, I’m glad I’m not the only one who felt the epilogue was a little incomplete. Doesn't ruin the film, but it was a little bit of an odd way to possibly make some sort of statement by omission.

Peter V, Yes, it will be an adjustment. As it turns out, OWB may be the last movie that I see in a theater for quite some time. One week ago, when I went, it was still semi-safe to go out in public like that. Things have really ramped up in the doom department over the past 7 days. Hopefully we all get through this as unscathed as possible, but it definitely forces one to refocus priorities.

Norm J, Great to see you Captain. Try to stay out of trouble!

BEG, thanks for all the research and the links. Great stuff!

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Ray Mizumura

Subject: For BEG and whoever else enjoys and appreciates.

"“I do Lou Reed better than anybody, so I thought I’d get in on it,” Reed says at one point during this double live set, and that seems to sum up the album’s theme quite well. Recorded during a week of shows at New York’s Bottom Line in 1978, Live: Take No Prisoners presents Lou Reed the Standup Comic, doing schtick on Patti Smith (“F*ck Radio Ethiopia, man! I’m Radio Brooklyn!”), political activism (“Give me an issue, I’ll give you a tissue, and you can wipe my ass with it”), and the agony of playing “Walk on the Wild Side” (“It’s not that I don’t want to play your favorites, but there are so many favorites to choose from!”) while occasionally pausing to play a song. As a comic, Lou is no Lenny Bruce or Bill Hicks, but he’s funny by fits and starts (and he plays guitar better than either of them). On the odd moments when Lou is focused enough to actually perform a song from start to finish (such as “Pale Blue Eyes” or “Coney Island Baby”), he’s in fine form, sounding loose but enthusiastic, but those moments don’t happen especially often, and this album plows through a mere ten songs in close to 100 minutes, which gives you an idea of just how far he stretches out here. If you’re a fan who wants a look into the mind of Lou Reed, comic or otherwise, Live: Take No Prisoners certainly fills the bill, but if you want to hear Lou actually play his music, you’re better off with Rock N Roll Animal or Live in Italy. But then again, as Lou himself points out, “What’s wrong with cheap dirty jokes? I never said I was tasteful.” –Mark Deming

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Norm J

Subject: The Connection??

A connection Robbie never did have. What a joke. Not hard to figure what that kind of comment means.

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Pat B

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brown eyed girl

Robert Pattinson - Van's...I'll be your lover, too

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brown eyed girl

Just feeling music today.

Pattinson is also a huuuuge fan of Van Morrison.........short and sweet clip with Canadian Kim Cattrall is also seen in the audience.

Robert Pattinson at Van Morrison's Birthday Concert 08/09/15

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brown eyed girl

I found someone who could play Robbie...with a The Band connection to boot!...
Plays guitar and writes music, has similar looks but doesn't have the height but still...maybe...just maybe.

"Robertson “Robbie” Furze was named by his music-loving parents after Robbie Robertson of the Band.

Furze played guitar for Alec Empire, but in 2007 formed THE BIG PINK, named after a Band album."

Once Were Brothers will be streamed on Crave TV sometime...soon.

"If you don't all have subscriptions to Crave, you should go out and get one this evening, it's very important," the film's director, Daniel Roher, said onstage after thanking Canadian broadcaster Bell Media and its Crave streamer for being an early backer of his movie."

Toronto: 'Once Were Brothers' Director Touts Netflix-Rival Crave as Festival Opens
9/5/2019
Etan Vlessing

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Ben

Todd, thanks for the detailed review of OWB. You make some very thoughtful points regarding the post Last Waltz activities of Levon both with the reformed Band and solo.

I think that one of primary reasons that many people defend Levon on social media is that they saw him perform live in the thirty plus years that he was active after the last waltz. I think it's natural to feel more connected to a musician who you've seen perform and possibly had an interaction with. This is a connection that Levon had for over 30 years and Rick for over 20 years after the last waltz that Robbie didn't have.

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Joe Frey

"The epilogue, by the way, did include what both Robbie and Dominique have been up to in a professional sense. Which is fine. But I think the other guys should have gotten more than simply a birth and death date. It’s either an oversight, or an omission."

Most docs that I have watched will give information on the future activities of the main characters. OWB should have done that too.

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: The same old story / Reply to Wallsend

My gb friend Wallsend posted: " There are plenty of people who feel they have been cheated or short changed over one thing or another and they identify with Mr Helms's side of the story."

Right. Occassionally, I feel that way and my heart beats for Mr Helm. (I am not going to make you bored with all the injustices in my life.) On the other hand, it is easy to be against Mr Robertson, his political correctness, his tupé and his perfect unnatural looks, his arrogant approach. The biggest problem for me has been Mr. Helm's entourage.

I believe that I speak for many of us who are not personally involved when I say: we love them both!

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Peter V

Subject: Doctor Zhivago

Well, semi-self isolating. No cinema or theatre, so my 60s Film retrospective series is growing fast. You've ALL seen this one … Doctor Zhivago.

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Peter V

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Pat B

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Rod

Robbie did post something about listening to Sinematic while in isolation this morning. Would be better if he released OWB on a few streaming services. That would give us something to discuss to at least another month.

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Kevin J

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Todd

Kevin, No! My musician friend is a real genuine dude and has been around a lot of music. Don't know what the disconnect is, but he's not a hater (not that you suggested that) by any means. I just think he has his tastes. Horses for courses I guess. But he does love Robbie's songwriting skills. And if it wasn't for my accountant friend, I probably wouldn't have seen the film in a theater yet. He researched it, bought the tickets, and drove the car...so he did plenty. It was kind of a "guys day out" as we all conceded that our wives would not be interested.

OK, going to wash my hands now and socially isolate. Stay safe everyone.

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Kevin J

...and if that accountant didn’t buy the drinks, might be time to just torch the neighbours houses all together especially that “musician”. No tone - really? And that pretentiousness about Roy Buchanan....my oh my.....sit him down and play some John Hammond jr or an hour or two of Bob Dylan and finish it off with some of the guitar brilliance on Sinimatic. All too much to ask, I know, but I thought I would give it a try.

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Todd

Subject: The Epilouge

Kevin J, Yes, I realize that the context of the film was up to 1976 ish. However, by including the epilogue they “broke" that barrier and brought things up the to the current day. i.e. “Garth lives with his wife in Woodstock”. If they had ended the film in 1976 or 1978, that would have been fine. But they went up to the current day, while simultaneously choosing to leave the intervening decades as a chasm, really. Would not have taken a great effort to add a couple of sentences as a summary for the other guys (brothers if you will) to show that they went on to make more music.

The epilogue, by the way, did include what both Robbie and Dominique have been up to in a professional sense. Which is fine. But I think the other guys should have gotten more than simply a birth and death date. It’s either an oversight, or an omission. And the rest of the film was so expertly put together, that I feel it must be the latter.

Ha ha, I had a beer at the theater, but I paid for it myself! The accountant drove the car and paid for gas.

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Kevin J

Todd........Grammy nominations, brilliant work on several of the finest films the world has seen over the last 30 years, the best songs written by any Band member post Band, not a word about any of that as well re: RR’s career - why, pray tell, if the director decided to do a hard stop at 1976 should he have been expected to make an exception for Levon’s rambles, etc. ? Were you also expecting 20 minutes or a mention of Danko/Fjeld/Anderson ?

Hoping that the accountant at least bought you some beers at the theatre! With the world coming to an end, be nice to see a contrarian order taking shape....

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Todd

Wallsend, My friends both enjoyed the film and are glad that they saw it, although they were both mildly critical of Robbie for different reasons. The accountant thought things would have worked out better for the group had they used the shared credit / REM / Doors / U2 model. The musician, and this surprised me the most, as I’ve not heard this criticism before, thought that Robbie’s guitar ability and tone were overrated (I disagree with that assessment of Robbie's guitar chops). When I pushed for more clarification, he thought that he was trying to play like Roy Buchanan, but that Buchanan did that style better. He did appreciate Robbie’s writing skills and his rhythm work, especially when it was in more of a Curtis Mayfield style. I left all of that out of my original review, because I didn’t want to be negative, and wanted to limit it to my impressions.

I do agree that Robbie probably does not consider the reunited Band as “The Band”. But I don’t think they should be discounted completely, which is the effect.
If the film had ended with 'The Last Waltz', that would have been fine. But jumping from that to the Epilogue, and only including date of birth and death with no regard for what happened in the 44 years since ‘The Last Waltz’, gives the viewer the impression that the other guys had no productivity at all in the intervening years. Which is simply not true.

Rod, I agree that ‘Little Islands’ from Sea to the North was a nice addition to the end of TLW commentary track, and shows that the creativity didn't end when the OQ ended. It was more of a new chapter which some liked and some didn't.

Since I was only 10 years old when 'The Last Waltz' happened, I'm very happy that I got to experience some of the talent that these guys had when I saw them in the 1980's and 1990's, as well as Levon's Rambles in the 2000's It was really something special, and I don't take the opportunities that I had for granted.

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Wallsend

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Rod

Thinking about Little Islands has just got me listening the the title track from TSTTN again. Amazing piece of music.

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Wallsend

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Todd

Wanted to give credit to Haso. From his review I copped the phrase, "Robbie's lens" which pretty accuracy and fairly sums up OWB without being positive or negative. It's an fairly accurate characterization. Thanks Bro!

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Todd

Subject: Once Were Brothers - Robbie Robertson and The Band

I saw OWB last Sunday afternoon at a theater in Great Barrington, Massachusetts. Went with two of my neighbors, who both happen to be Band fans. One of them, who is an accountant, has read Levon’s book. The other (who has not read Levon’s book) is a teacher, and has played guitar & bass professionally in Connecticut based bands. His brother is a music teacher in Minneapolis, and his mother used to mange local bands here in Connecticut. So one is a number cruncher, and a big music fan, and the other is someone who has been around music most of his life, and who has been on stage. It was interesting to hear their perspectives on The Band dynamics, during the car ride to the theater, as the three of us have never had much prior discussion on the subject, and I don’t think either of them follow the proceedings here or on Facebook. In other words, they’re interested and fans of the music, but not at the activist or fanatic level. We listened to Rock of Ages in the car during the drive to the theater which was nice. I found myself in the position of playing devil’s advocate, and shared what I knew about both Levon’s position and Robbie’s position without trying to influence anyone one way or another. I wanted them to be able to see it with open eyes and ears.

Overall it was a well produced documentary, but was definitely through Robbie’s lens and point of view and perspective as others have stated, and as expected. My favorite parts of it were the archival film and still photos that were used in the movie; some which I hadn’t seen before. The production quality was quite good, and the audio, especially in a theater with a good sound system, was top notch. Early in the film, the full performance of ‘Up on Cripple Creek’ from the studio / barn in Woodstock was shown. I’ve seen the clip before on one of the DVD’s….it might be on A Musical History…but it was really cool to see it on a big screen with great sound. It really captured the essence, power, and beauty of what these five guys did together. Majestic really. One of the things that really struck me, from the musical segments, was just how strong the foundation that Rick and Levon provided was. All of the guys were stellar and essential to their sound, but hearing it loud and clear in the theater, along with the visuals, really highlighted how strong that bass & drumming core really was.

I enjoyed hearing about the early days of The Hawks, and the film spent a fair amount of time with that era. Robbie did a good job of explaining about Levon leaving the Dylan tour and how that was a difficult time both for Levon and Robbie, but that there was a sense and a hope that they would meet up again down the road at some point.

The main narrative of the film was delivered by Robbie, as well as a lot of input from Dominique. There were many others interviewed, and I would have liked to hear additional anecdotes from Clapton, John Simon, George Harrison, and Dylan. Ronnie Hawkins was entertaining as always, but a little more from him would have been nice too. Yeah, he tells the Frank Sinatra line that we heard Robbie tell in TLW, but it seemed a little redundant. It was nice to hear Larry Campbell’s input as well as Jimmy Viivino.

Robbie tells the story of coming up with the first line of ’The Weight’, after looking into the sound hole of his Martin guitar and seeing the word “Nazareth”. It’s details like that (which are well known to most of us) that are cool to hear, but no mention was made of inspiration for other parts of the song like: Luke, Jack my dog, Crazy Chester, or Anna Lee, et al.

A fair amount of time was spent by Robbie and Dominique talking about how drugs impacted the group. While I don’t doubt that drugs were a factor that affected the group dynamic, it occurred to me that the impact was possibly more circular than linear. I’ll try to explain.

In the film it’s presented as: everything was great, then drugs came into the picture, then things started sliding, and then the plug had to be pulled which eventually led to The Last Waltz. The drugs in this linear viewpoint, are the cause (and purportedly the only cause) of the downfall.

My theory is that there was more of a circular disintegration in the group dynamic, where sometimes things are at the top of the circle, all cylinders are firing, and things are good…..but as the wheel turned, there was time at the bottom of the arc where things were not so good. And I feel like this cycle was probably repeated more than once throughout their career. I also think, and this is purely my speculation, that there may have been some disillusionment, sometime after the second album that may have led to or coincided with increased drug use, which then led to less output, less camaraderie, less trust. If the balance in any relationship is thrown out of whack, there is almost always a reaction. Were drugs the sole cause, or were they, to some degree, an effect of a growing imbalance in the group’s chemistry. Or was it both? The answer is probably more complex than can be answered in a 100 minute documentary.

One thing that was clear in all of the live footage that is shown, is that Levon is always on, seems to be clear and present, and contributing. In fact, I think it’s been stated before that of any of the fixes that had to be done to The Last Waltz prior to its release, all of Levon’s parts, both drumming and singing were fine. So there is a disconnect on one hand, of this tale of a man who isn’t getting it done, combined with images and sound of the best singing drummer of a generation playing and singing his heart out in a compelling, professional, and moving way.

I know that this film was ultimately Robbie’s viewpoint, which he is certainly entitled to. And it will contrast with Levon’s viewpoint, which will be no surprise to anyone who has followed the saga over the years. And I know that this film was really only intended to cover the period up through The Last Waltz (as expected) based on the time period that is covered in ‘Testimony’. However, I feel that the end of the film could have been wrapped up a little more comprehensively for the benefit of newer fans as well as respect for the other Band members.

Robbie essentially says that, the idea was that they would regroup and work on music again, but that no one showed up. Short, sweet, but incomplete. He neglects to mention the reunion in 1983 which resulted in a whole new generation of Band fans being able to experience some of the magic in a live setting. It was another 15 year period of intermittent Band activity from 1983 through 1998 when ‘Jubiliation' came out. That’s almost as long as the 16 years of intermittent Hawks and OQ Band activity. Regarding Levon specifically, the way the film ends, gives the impression that everything dropped off a cliff after The Waltz. The reality is that in addition to the Band reunion and three more studio albums, Levon also had an acting career, and went on to put on the now legendary Midnight Ramble performances at his barn in Woodstock, and went on to win a couple of Grammy Awards for his work…and this resurgence / Ramble period was after a heroic battle to regain his voice following his battle with throat cancer. Pretty amazing stuff.

There’s sort of an epilogue at the end of the film, and I know the intent was one of respect, but it comes off as a little stark. It simply lists each of the Band members names Rick, Richard, and Levon, along with the dates of birth and death. Garth’s name is shown with a caption that says that he lives with his wife in Woodstock. Could have at least mentioned Maud by name. It’s quite sparse for the post The Last Waltz. It’s as if nothing ever happened after 1976.

Overall, it was a well done film. But not comprehensive. The Classic Albums DVD, that others have mentioned, for The Brown album is probably my favorite Band documentary.

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Rod

Will start reading the MFBP novel again tonight. I'm surprised the Robertsons liked it as it wasn't kind to RR.

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Kevin J

Trump took the COVID-19 test. Highest score ever!

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Norm J

Subject: Nonsense!

Wallsend! This is serious stuff :-) Hell we all post nonsense here now and then when the topic gets side tracked into sports and politics and crazy jokes. We're all guilty.

I think what most of us agree on is the financial business of these people and how and why they dealt with that is not any of our business. Those topics become enflamed and we are not in a court and we are not a judge and jury that's all.

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Peter V

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Wallsend

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Norm J

Subject: The Straight Goods

I told you guys she is the expert at finding all the stuff and getting to the bottom of it all. After all this commentary I just wonder if this is all for the dollar or for something more meaningful.

I gotta say Pat in your post of Friday the 13 you confirmed what I was saying about posts that are made just to try and get people to agree on something that really is not true concerning this "so called fued". I think all that rhetoric is a waste of space when there can be discussions such as right now.

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Wallsend

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Pat B

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Rod

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brown eyed girl

John Niven pays tribute to Levon Helm
Caught by the Reaper – Levon Helm
21st April 2012

"I went about my teenage years – the fag end of punk rock in provincial Scotland – and thought no more about The Band or Levon Helm until almost a decade later. I was 21 in 1987 when I knowingly heard Levon’s voice for the first time, when Bill Prince played me The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down. We were sitting in his living room in Leytonstone, East London and we were on acid at the time. The hallucinogen presented the music in such aspic clarity that it felt like The Band were in the room, like you could hear the wood creaking in Sammy Davis Jnr’s poolhouse where they recorded the song. To paraphrase Jon Savage on The Clash, within thirty seconds I was transfixed, within a minute changed forever. Indeed, after The Clash and The Smiths, The Band became the third great musical love of my life."

And in my mind, all the time I was writing the book, I wondered what some of its central characters would make of it if they ever read it. A couple of years after publication I received an email from Alexandria Robertson, daughter of Robbie and now an A&R executive at Warners. She’d loved the book and was kind enough to write and let me know, but it was her postscript that blew my mind – ‘My father happened to read the book and thought it was fantastic.’ Later still Alexandria and I had lunch in Los Angeles where she told me that Robbie had added, ‘Was that guy in the room?’ I pretty much floated through the rest of the day.

And now the film rights have been sold and the screenplay written by the playwright Jez Butterworth, the man behind Jerusalem. When I read Jez’s (brilliant) script it came as no surprise to me that the voice he’d chosen to open the film with, the first voice you heard, was Levon Helm’s, talking hard and raw in a Florida motel room at dawn on a cold winter morning in 1986, the morning, we quickly realize, when The Band’s high-wire falsetto singer and pianist Richard Manuel decides to take his own life."

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Pat B

So according to Pattinson, the script has been floating around since 2010. Peter rightly references the 33 1/3 volume on MFBP as a possible source since the POV was a Woodstock drug dealer and Richard figures big in the story. Pattinson may no longer be officially involved but that door isn't closed either. All in all, very intriguing.

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Pat B

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brown eyed girl

Happy Robert Pattinson Day!

QuaranTUNES...

Keep Your Distance...Buddy and Julie Miller a la Richard Thompson
Billy Idol...Dancing With Myself

If I cross your path again,
Who knows where,
Who knows when
On some morning without number,
On some highway without end
Don't grasp my hand and say
"Fate has brought you here today"
Oh fate is only fooling with us, friend

Keep your distance, oh keep your distance
When I feel you close to me what can I do but fall
Keep your distance, keep your distance
Ah with us it must be all or none at all

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Ben

Ray, I've never listened to more than a couple of minutes of DVD commentary tracks. Was Levon's track a full commentary? I was under the impression that it wasn't and that his comments were taken from an earlier interview. I believe that this topic was discussed here when the DVD was released.

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brown eyed girl

...So what happened to this The Band biopic by Canadian Cronenberg featuring Robert Pattinson?

"Elsewhere in the interview, Pattinson revealed that he will star in a movie about The Band.
He said: “I’m going to do a movie about The Band, the one that played with Dylan: a beautiful script about the nature of songwriting.”

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Rod

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Kevin J

From Rosanne Cash:

“Just a reminder that when Shakespeare was quarantined because of the plague, he wrote King Lear.”

Thank you, BEG

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brown eyed girl

Robert Pattinson
NEVER THINK
Pattinson plays the guitar and piano since age four, and writes his own music. He appears as the singer of two songs on the Twilight soundtrack: "Never Think", which he co-wrote with Sam Bradley, and "Let Me Sign", which was written by Marcus Foster and Bobby Long."

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brown eyed girl

Chickenlordpepe i
"The first part was the bellas lullaby from the film that Carton Burwell wrote and the second part was Robert's (Pattison) version that he wrote to go in the film but they thought that the mood didn't fit."

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Wallsend

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brown eyed girl

Hi Peter...
Pattison..."I hadn't played piano in years, and I learnt it in about ten seconds," he said in the interview of the experience. What's interesting, is that the piano isn't the only instrument that Pattinson has taken a liking to. He also revealed that he plays guitar, and that he had also taken up the cello."

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Peter V

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brown eyed girl

Música - Garth Largo
Jun 24, 2011

Músicos:
Garth Hudson(bass, soprano, tarogato, tenor & alto sax, allen organ, synthesizers,accordion)
Maud Hudson (vocal)
Steve Rust (upright bass)

Álbum - Largo (1998)

Hi John D...I thought the huuuge mistake was by the writer of the article.

Hope everyone is safe practising social distancing. No problem here of course.

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John D

I guess he forgot there was a drummer in the group.

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brown eyed girl

I hope the possible new The Band biopic won't be the final word or any word if this is the focus....

He also revealed his obsession with making a movie on The Band, the late 1960s-1970s rock group formed in Toronto by Robbie Robertson (guitar), Richard Manuel (piano, vocals), Rick Danko (bass guitar, vocals) and Garth Hudson (keyboards).

"You’re also a musician. How much is music still a part of your life?

I have been trying to do one movie about music and The Band. The film is about Richard Manuel’s relationship with their drug dealer, when they were doing “Music from Big Pink.” It’s 20 years later, and it’s a totally tragic story.

I still play. It took me a while to realize it but you can use the same kind of creativity in acting.

Why The Band?

It’s a great script. I read the script seven years ago. It was written by Jez Butterworth. Also, I want to do something about the nature of inspiration.

The Band wrote all of its big songs before they were 22 or 23. Then, Robbie Robertson just pulled the plug."

Norm J... LOL LOL

Ben...Small world, eh with you and Ben Gordon.

Always good to see posts from Kevin J and Ray

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Bill M

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Ray Mizumura

Ben--interesting point. Still, LH would've had to give consent for his comments to be used, I assume.

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Pat B

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Pat B

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Wallsend

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Bill M

Jon L: If you like that (and why not?), you might also like the book of transcriptions of Beatles studio chatter from the recording of "Let It Be". Some interesting mentions of the Band there too - most but not all from the mouth of George, I believe. And there's always my favourite: "Carry That Weight" / "In The End" from "Abbey Road", which to my ears and mind is clearly Paul working through the troubling morality of "The Weight" - and resolving it to his own satisfaction.

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Jon Lyness

Dag, that's awesome. Mind blown. Wow.

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Bill M

Kevin J: Puts it all in perspective, doesn't it! I wonder how much Rick Danko would've gotten every time AbFab was aired. Speaking of which, Buffalo's PBS station (or at least some broadcaster serving the Toronto area) is going to start running the series again soon.

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Dag B.

Subject: The Beatles - Hey Jude

At 6:19, "Take the load off Fanny..."

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Kevin J

In 1962, Paul Anka wrote the theme to the Tonight Show starring Johnny Carson. To get it approved by Johnny against the wishes of the show’s band leader, he made a deal to share the publishing and composer credits with Carson. The show ran for 30 years, 5 nights a week - paying $450 each time it played. Anka made close to $2 Million on his 50%. Along the way in his career, Frank Sinatra helped him out some as well.....though, by that point, Anka was no doubt doing things his way and not giving away songwriting credits.

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Peter V

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John D

"I JUST WANT TO BREAK EVEN."

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Ben

Ray, Levon didn't record a commentary track for the last waltz dvd, his comments were taken from an interview.

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Rod

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Kevin J

Local Montreal musician and songwriter Aldo Nova - some might remember him for early 80’s MTV fame and hit song “Fantasy”.......was showing his new home to a friend one day a decade and a half removed from his stardom period. ”nice place, man....rock n roll’s been good”.........the friend said...... “rock n roll’s not that good”, Aldo replied “But Celine Dion is awesome!” Aldo had some songs and production credits on a Celine Dion album. Cars, houses and comfort followed.

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Kevin J

Worth remembering that Robbie Robertson made more money off Rod Stewart’s cover of “Broken Arrow” from RR’s first solo release than he did off most of the Band albums.....Yes kids, Rod the Mod’s Vagabond Heart which included Broken Arrow as one of its hit singles sold 8 million copies.....contrast this to the much heralded Music From Big Pink that 30 years after its release had sold less than 200,000 copies......and while Levon got no publishing money on “The Weight” - neither did Robbie. Bob Dylan got it all.

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Ray Mizumura

For what it's worth, I have seen and heard Not in it for my health and Once were brothers. I enjoyed both movies. It's been a while since I saw "Health" but recall it fondly. There didn't seem to be the bile that showed up in This Wheels on Fire. I'm not comfortable with all aspects of OWB but I recommend the movie and would watch it again.

I didn't care for the Levon autobiography. This is a badly written book that is downright cartoonish in several respects. I find most of its complaints implausible, at best. I doubt that The Last Waltz LP was any more overdubbed than most live albums of that era. Still, I never allowed my problems with the book to keep me from loving all the music LH has done. I am delighted to have gone to his concert in Kansas City in 2010.

I did enjoy Testimony. It is a terrific read, better in the first half than in the second. There are more than a few tall tales in it, but all narrators, at some level, tell their stories to serve their own interests. All of Robbie's solo albums impress me, but I don't find him as strong a stage performer as Rick and Levon were. I respect that he doesn't like touring. It's not for everyone and it doesn't make him less of a musician than those who do go on the road.

Thank you for this guestbook. I'm very glad it's going strong and providing a space for those who appreciate the artistry of The Band.

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Rod

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Ray Mizumura

Subject: The Band

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this recently, so please forgive if I'm redundant.

One of the questions I've had for a while about the "feud" involves Garth, and especially Levon, recording audio commentaries for the DVD of Last Waltz in 2002.

I was confused and still am. Given what LH said about the Last Waltz, it's mind-blowing (and not in a good way) that he would have anything whatsoever to do with helping sell copies of that DVD.

Perhaps he was kidnapped and forced to record that audio commentary?

In any case, I enjoyed his narration very much and was glad that he did it. But it still doesn't add up.

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Rod

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Norm J

Subject: A cover up

Anyone who for years keeps knawing on the same bone in favour of Levon and then says he isn't against Robbie is only "gaslighting" himself.

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Pat B

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Bill M

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Ben

I think that the financial aspect of the "Band projects" is a very relevant topic for discussion. Has anyone here watched "Ain't in it for my health" recently? Maybe those of you who've been fortunate to see OWB on the big screen should watch for a different perspective.

Both Levon and Garth had serious financial problems, bankruptcies and foreclosures. The impetus for Levon's rambles was to save his property from foreclosure.

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Norm J

Subject: Geography

Rod, don't feel bad at all. This is pretty funny I may have told this some time back. In Australia many of those folks call us Americans I asked a lot of them why? The answer "Well yer from North America yer all Americans.

Some of the Americans who aren't really up on their geography have in their head that we are British out here because we come from British Columbia.

As you were saying Wallsend if there was a legal problem it would have been sorted out long ago as the examples I gave as with James Garner.

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Peter V

Good point, Kevin J. What does Mick Avory get out of Waterloo Sunset? Nothing. OK, I know they used session drummers on all the Kinks records until Village Green, but shouldn't Mick get a share of those Ray Davies books? It's so clear.

P.S. Do Americans get irony?

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Wallsend

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Pat B

To repeat, how the remuneration for the Band IP is divvied up is the result of business decisions the principals made many years ago.

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Kevin J

Imagine being a Kinks or Zep fan and not rejoicing every time you hear that Ray Davies or Jimmy Page is moving forward with a project that beautifully honours and enhances their band’s legacy. Ray Davies has just signed papers on a new Kinks film......”Oh my God, let’s hope Mick Avory is being paid!”

Rod.........Yes, Canadian. Our leader and his lovely wife are in quarantine......setting very good examples.....the Orange Clown meanwhile, referred to C19 as a “Foreign Virus” yesterday and his grovelling pathetic VP - Tsar - Pence is bragging about still shaking hands.

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Wallsend

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Ben

Pat, I thought I already answered this. The "Band projects" I was referring are the recordings by the OQ which have re-packaged, re-mixed, put into a variety of box sets and compilations.

Robbie does interviews for each of these as they are released. I assume he is also compensated as as some type of consultant or producer on these projects. This compensation is separate from songwriting and publishing. I think it's a fair question to ask if Garth and the 3 estates are compensated in the same way or or have any involvement and consideration over these releases. I don't know the answer to this, I'm simply asking a question

Levon's book didn't come in a box with a CD of OQ Band recordings, did it? I don't see how a book written by any member of the Band would fall into the same category. I also think that you're mischaracterizing Levon's book. From my recollection, the feud makes up a relatively small part of the book. It is certainly not the primary focus of the book.

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Kevin J

Encore posting of a message Joshua Manuel wrote on May 10, 2019 at the Real Richard Manuel Facebook.....If only the Levon Helm Fans Facebook moderators and the nut jobs who have hijacked The Band Facebook pages would pay attention to this sentiment as well.....Seems lost on them that such dignity would reflect well on Levon:

”Even though this is a group for our Father, there are friends and family of the other members in here. And by shit slinging, and foul mouthing people you are being rude and disrespectful to them not to mention to Me and the others in this group that have the decency to read and follow the few basic rules I have posted in here. You all want to talk shit, do it amongst yourselves in your own private messages OUTSIDE of this group. ... You may consider this censorship but I call it KEEPING THE PEACE. And clearly that is not taking place with people insulting each other over shit most of you probably have no clue what you are talking about, heard it indirectly, whatever the case may be.

“Just because something was written in a book by one of the members doesn't make it 100% true. If you weren't there when it happened then you don't know what really happened.”

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Norm J

Subject: The Final Word

Agreed Pat. That has been my position all along. There is much to discuss here without beating that dead horse. It seems that some just like to keep it up. Robbie better do this or that with out knowing a damn thing about it.

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Pat B

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Pat B

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Norm J

Subject: Copy right info etc

Thanks for that Dag. The vinyl from long ago as I was just looking in my collection, on the center label always had a circle divided like pie showing percentages of credits of writer, publisher, performer.

Still a lot of this information is on cd's etc. There has been many changes in that format but generally the information is available.

Concerning performing rights I recall there were many actors like Natalie Woods and others and particularly James Garner, (Rockford Files). He was a lawyer and battled with Universal Studios. He had many injuries doing his own stunts on that show. I believe his 9 years battle with the studio was they accused him of being "on strike". I think the reality was he wanted his share of the profit from the showing and reruns. He accused the studio of (and apparently he was the first to use this term) creative book keeping to show they were loosing money. He eventually was awarded $14,000,000. Cases like this made a lot of changes in performing rights.

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Peter V

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Ben

I don't consider myself in "Levon's camp" or as some follower or disciple of Levon. That's a pretty childish way of describing oneself. I am a fan of the Band. The Band from the Ronnie Hawkins days through the trio of 90's albums and the various solo albums (with the exception of Robbie's).

Just because I may question or criticize Robbie doesn't mean that I bare any ill will or disrespect towards him. These guys are/were public figures, so I think it's fair game to discuss and debate these things.

Regarding Levon's estate, well it's unfortunate that Sandy Helm attacks Robbie on social media. I also think that they've dropped the ball in terms of not releasing anything except for a 'Midnight ramble vol. 3' since Levon died. I would welcome some Levon and Band archival releases spanning the 80's through 2000's.

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Peter V

On the film. I would assume like most biopics there will be a new soundtrack with the actors singing, and probably a session band playing and the actors miming instruments, though that would make Levon’s role the most difficult to play. That still has writing and publishing, but no performance.

Writing and publishing are mechanical royalties. I would assume no “performing” would take place.

The trouble with film is that everybody who has an interest thinks “Payday!” What will usually happen is that people will be offered points (or micro-points) once the film goes into profit. But don’t get excited because once creative accountants get in there, very few films, even blockbusters make a profit on paper.

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Ben

Pat, the Band projects I was referring to are the reissues, box sets, and compilations of Band music that Robbie has been involved with. Since Levon died, there have been quite a few of these releases which Robbie promotes with a series of interviews as each one is released. That's all good and well, my question is do Garth and the 3 estates receive an equal cut from these recent releases or does Robbie receive the lions share as he is serving as a 'consultant' or something to that effect.

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Dag B.

Subject: Songwriting

Post from The Band's official facebook acount (2016)

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Dag B.

Subject: Levon's estate

Levon's widow is attacking RR on social media every chance she gets, so guess that's his estate.

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Pat B

The Beatles cover The Band

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Rod

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Rod

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Bill M

Rod: For the sake of accuracy, I'll point out that Kevin, BEG and I all saw OWB without being USA types.

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Norm J

Subject: Speculation

All the speculaton can probably be resolved with some internet digging. BEG should likely be the one who can get to the bottom of it all as she is an expert in hunting things down.

Just so as "Levon's Camp" doesn't get too upset.

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Rod

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Wallsend

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Pat B

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Ben

Pat, I'm scratching my head over your comment regarding renumeration and Levon's book. Can you please provide some clarification?

I think it's legitimate to question whether Garth and Richard, Rick and Levon's estate are benefiting equally with Robbie from Band related projects.

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Bill M

Re the bio-pic, my non-lawyerly hunch is that Robbie would be within his rights to sign a deal for a bio-pic based on his personal Testimony, but his ability to trade on "The Band" as an entity for commercial purposes without approval / payment from the others or their estates would problematic. I'm sure that Robbie and team is on top of the legalities in any case, especially given the brouhaha around the use of "The Weight" in a commercial.

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Peter V

Subject: Far From The Madding Crowd 1967

Terry & Julie … I'm racing through the 60s retrospectives instead of going out!

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Pat B

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Ben

Peter, I'm not suggesting that 5 sets of relatives should get a veto on a script. I'm looking at it more from renumeration standpoint. When Robbbie refers to signing onto the project, I would hope that Garth and the 3 estates would also be signing onto it and stand to benefit equally.

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Norm J

Subject: Jez Butterworth

Peter, Jez Butterworth kinda reminds me of George Lucas, (his looks I mean).

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Peter V

Subject: Modesty Blaise

One more for the film buffs, Modesty Blaise from 1966. And more tomorrow …

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Peter V

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Peter V

My hope is that they’d pretty much leave him to it and don’t impose restraints or opinions. No playwright of his stature is going to waste time embarking on a project where five sets of relatives and estates have a veto. Writing to a committee is impossible. Apparently Bob Dylan put his trust in Conor McPherson for “Girl From the North Country” with the only rule being if it’s set in the 1930s, stick to 1930s instruments. When you get someone that good, it’s really best to let them run with it, as Bob did.

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Sonny

I don't know if they found any new footage for the documentary? I have to say though over the years I have been pleasantly surprised by the footage that has surfaced over the Internet of The Band. I can think of Rock Of Ages, L'Olympia, Paris, France. Festival Express , Wembley, Woodstock, Casino Arena, Ed Sullivan, SNL and more. I always thought The Band were hardly ever filmed and kept a very low profile from 1968-1976- this doesn't seem to be the case at all ! I love to see anything on film these guy's did from that period.

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Ben

Brown eyed Girl, Ken Gordon is a good friend of mine, a fellow Jewish Band fan from the great state of New Jersey. He sent me a draft of that piece when he was working on it to get my take on it.

The line in the New Yorker article that sticks out is that Robbie is signing the papers with Warner Bros for the movie. Well, is Garth and members of Richard, Rick and Levon's families also signing the papers? I certainly hope so.

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ian Woodward

[1] The first part [the bit where they exit an aircraft marked 'ANSETT ANA', [the ANA being Australian National Airways and this being an internal flight within Australia] is not their arrival in Sydney at the start of the 1966 Australian but their arrival at one of the later cities on that tour. I could check my notes as to which city but I am very busy at this moment.

[2] The second part, where they exit from the rear of an aircraft [a Caravelle of SAS - otherwise, Scandinavian Airlines Systems], shows their arrival at Stockholm. They had been delayed by a few days at the end of the tour because the Australian government had requisitioned QANTAS aircraft to ferry Australian troops to Viet Nam. After these few 'free' days, they took a BOAC flight headed for London. However, they disembarked en route (at Zurich, as I recall) and took the SAS flight from there to Stockholm.

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Wallsend

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Rod

I don't think the Rocket Man approach would work.

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Wallsend

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brown eyed girl

The Band, Disbanded
Discussing the documentary “Once Were Brothers,” Robbie Robertson talks about writing the “movie songs” that, along with cocaine, money squabbles, Martin Scorsese, and Big Pink, made the Band what it is.

By John Seabrook
The New Yorker
March 9, 2020

“And I’m just about to sign the papers with Warner Bros. Pictures to make the story of the Band!” he announced. Jez Butterworth, the British playwright and screenwriter, is writing the script. It took fifty years, but Robertson’s movie songs are finally coming to the multiplex. Who will play him?"

From previous post Call Me Levon by Ken Gordon..."There’s no doubt about it. But the biopic will be the final word — more final than “This Wheel’s on Fire” or whatever Robbie’s book turns out to be. “Ain’t in It for My Health” is pretty good. It’s the anti-”Last Waltz” in some ways, but it won’t hold up to a Scorsese treatment featuring performances by, say, DeNiro as the Band’s manager Albert Grossman (he’ll put on the weight) and Leonardo di Caprio as Robbie and… who in the hell will play Levon? Maybe Billy Bob Thornton. Yes. He actually pays a visit to Levon in “Ain’t in It for My Health.”

Wait … did I just cast this movie I’m dreading?

Question is: How do I make sure that I’m properly credited and remunerated? Levon would insist on it.

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Pat B

A very interesting newsreel of Bob and the boys arriving in Australia.

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Rod

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Wallsend

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Ben

Subject: OWB

I haven't seen OWB yet. I look forward to seeing it at some point. I don't think Garth's non-participation in it is any issue. However, since Robbie's ex was interviewed, I wonder if there was an attempt to interview wives or family members of the other four members of the Band in order to get their perspective.

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Ben

Subject: Norm

Back in April, 2018 Norm made some anti-semitic jokes (which were deleted by Jan) which prompted Jeff Alexander to leave this guestbook. There were a number of posts relating to this in mid April, 2018 that are on the guestbook archive.

Don't try to gaslight me that Norm calling me a "boy" is some innocent, harmless gesture. At the very least it is disrespectful and condescending.

I don't intend to be driven away from this guestbook like Jeff was, but the record needs to be set straight that Norm has a history here of making anti-semitic "jokes" and comments on this guestbook.

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NorthWestCoaster

Subject: " Please take your anti-semitic hatred elsewhere." - by Ben against "Norm The Westcoaster"

'Ben', give me a break. - 'Westcoaster' (and derivates) is one of the most balanced, down-to-the-earth posters in gb. When visiting this site I always check his contributions first. He is not hating ANYBODY! Sailing on Titanic I would have wished to share the lifeboat with him, even if I have had hard times with him for a looooooong time ago, (As the simple men we both are, we would not have managed to get a place in a lifeboat, though.)

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Norm J

Subject: The thoughts of an Ageist

Your comment is warranted Bill. I agree and should work on it. However some times with some one who is arrogant and very often confrontational with everyone you forget.

Wallsend, for my money you aren't missing much with "The Irishman". Just another gangsta movie to me.

I've been watching review and commentary of "Once Were Brothers" on youtube. I'm not in a hurry to see it. It will come around. The one thing interesting to me is that Ron Howard is involved. I've always been a great fan of his work.

Once Were Brothers puts me in mind of Days of Our Lives or the Young and The Restless. I don't know. I've listened to the song a few times now and although I am a long time fan of Robbie's solo work and his singing the song doesn't really grab me. I'll listen to it more. I don't crave every tid bit of the band I can find but there is always somethinh interesting to find.

I'm sure it'll come around and I'll watch it.

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Wallsend

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Pat B

It's really a great doc technically. Stylish, well-paced, vibrant, and it sounded great. I'll wait until every one here sees it before I get too descriptive.

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JQ

Thanks Pat B for the alert. I’ve been reading NYer since I was a teenager and I think the only time I recall them issuing a clarification for a mistake was for a punctuation error. “Danko died of heart failure in 1999, aged 52”. Shame! Although I believe they are truly renowned for their vetting process.

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Wallsend

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Rod

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Wallsend

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Peter V

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Rod

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Pat B

Rumor from a while ago is Robert Pattinson as RR.

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Jon Lyness

Thanks for the kind words, Peter. Very much looking forward to your OWB review when you're able.

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Wallsend

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Pat B

Brilliantly, it seemed they were avoiding them.

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Peter V

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Peter V

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Garth and shyness...

If you're ever extremely bored some rainy day, take a look at my review here of a 1998 show where Garth fronted the Hudson Valley Philharmonic orchestra ("Library", then "Articles", then "Concert Reviews" under my last name). Garth was one of three rock/pop headliners who performed individually backed by the orchestra; it was a special show. I do remember thinking though that even in a rare and well-deserved role as the *frontman* of a show, Garth was noticeably more comfortable deferring to the conductor, even amusingly kind of muttering and chatting a bit with him through the performance as if the whole rest of the orchestra was not present.

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Rod

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haso

Subject: Garth, TLW

Rod: couldn't agree more... turn on the commentary track. Mack's version of English vocabulary, is worth it all by itself... nevermind Levon, John Simon, historical bits from critics etc. Isn't that where Garth said something about "the solos, ah that was the problem" or "the hard part"? After OWB, and my spouse speaking to Garth's shyness, I actually just recently wondered anew who Robbie was writing Stage Fright for/about. Greil Marcus says it's a mistake to assign the motivation for certain sure. In some ways I bet you could make the argument that tune applies to all 4 Canadians in some fashion, through various parts of their collective careers. I don't somehow see either Ronnie or Levon ever being anything but comfortable playing music in front of people.

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Bill M

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haso

Subject: OWB, etc

T'was a very Band-centric week, just past. Will read through this past bit of GB in more detail after "reporting". Do look forward to Todd's on OWB, & though most of you folks here are better versed as critics, even the amateur folks like Norm, nevermind the pros like Mr. Viney or our late, great PSB, than me here goes:

Most weeks start w/ a mini-concert of a couple of our tunes during Monday night bowling league; amazingly the local lanes/bar has, I believe, 321 choices of the Band on it's jukebox so I try to educate the masses, if time allows. Then, both Tues & Wed I saw OWB at our local historic theater (I believe the venue dates to sometimes in the mid-to-late 19th century). Yes, Peter, Dunc, NW Coaster, and the like, that does qualify as historic on this side of "the pond". This was followed on Thurs by a long-awaited viewing of TLW on a local gentleman's projection living room set-up that was easily 6' high by 14' wide. From a couch directly across, it was a dramatic view.

So, for what they are worth my takeaways, especially from viewing OWB the 2nd night by myself (partner went w/ me the 1st and actually enjoyed it quite a bit).

Certainly, it's Robbie's lens. And Dominique's. But that doesn't necessarily over-color it for accuracy, at least as I could judge it. Yes, there's a bit on the "feud" but by no means the major theme. I think I'd recommend especially Larry Campbell, both Scheele's and even Jimmy Vivino comments there.

They were an amazing 5, w/ a pretty unique story and in many ways, RR the chiefly exceptional story. As John Simon relates from a conversation back in the MFBP days, Robbie wanted to channel Ingmar Bergman (my version of his words)... rock 'n' rollers just don't say or think things like that.

I guess I wish for more coverage of the years between RofA/Academy & TLW, but even from Testimony that seems like when everything was getting more and more tenuous. And Robbie is by and large an optimist, I'd say. The heft of that time-period in OWB mostly involved Tour '74 and D. Geffen.

Probably said by many critics, I thought the most grating comment was RR's about the look in Dylan's eyes when he 1st played him The Weight. That said, you think about it, no one has measured up to BD (any other Nobels out there?) and while Robbie's career and output as a songwriter is a good deal less, perhaps he comes as close as anyone.

Best comments, funniest: no doubt, the Hawk; and John Simon relating that right after the Richard/Dominique accident in her Mustang, Levon manages to crash into one of the trooper's cars, at the scene.

My friends huge screen: I need to do it again (he almost will do so on demand, and does so every year around Thanksgiving-time, as one might imagine). The one clear takeaway relates to the writer Jay Cocks comment about how well-seasoned the 5 were. You really see that in all their faces, in fact possibly Garth the least. While they were 33 to 39/40 at TLW, the wear on the faces look a bit more like about late 40's, to this retirement-age viewer.

Last, again for what it's worth, even if Garth were in tip-top health and say mid-50ish, my clearest takeaway from the BBC Classic Albums dvd was that he communicates through his fingers (keyboards or horn keys) much, much more comfortably than (especially recorded) commentary. Right, and that was 25 years ago.

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Peter V

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Dag B.

Subject: Adblock

Why not just block the ads?

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Poor Cow/Dark Spots

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Peter V

Subject: Poor Cow

The 60s retrospective film reviews continue with Ken Loach’s Poor Cow (linked) starring Carol White and Terence Stamp. 1967. It was Ken Loach’s first feature film, hailed as a masterpiece of social realism. How does it stand up fifty plus years later? Not too well for us.

I have a pile of DVDS for the series, and as public theatres and cinemas are currently less attractive, look out for a run of them!

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Todd

Subject: OWB

Going to see 'Once Were Brothers' with some friends this afternoon. Looking forward to it........I think. Will report back with my impressions. Mostly looking forward to seeing photos and film clips that might have been previously unseen.

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Norm J

Subject: Garth

I just typed in youtube, garth returns to big pink after 47 years. It comes right up. Bear in mind this was posted 5 years ago. Was OWB even started then?

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Norm J

Subject: Garth

If I knew how I would have linked it. I've just never bothered with that. To me Garth was very coherent. He showed how they were set up for recording, where every one was situated he talked about how it hadn't changed. He chatted with the fellow who now owns the house.

It might be my imagination but being nearer his age, looking in his eyes I felt there was a sadness there. He was the Garth he has always been, quiet, humble polite. I couldn't see any disaster.

He showed upstairs the room with the view, (the writing room) where Bob would sit and write, the old type writer. All in all I loved. Now bear in mind I don't know a damn thing about it.

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Wallsend

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Peter V

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Rod

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Rod

Anyway, the video is in on YouTube. It was actually a really well produced concert. Visually better than a lot of other ones I've seen online. Musically the first half where they did The Band's set was really good. It got a bit messy when they started bringing on the guests.

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Bill M

Moving on to the piffle, I couldn't count the times - or even the contexts - that yours truly has said "Oh boy" over the years. In the '60s it would have been used to note that arrival of something like ice cream, and in more recent times it is muttered to self, for example "Oh boy, here we go again" when Norm and Ben meet here at the GB Corral. (No Ben, Norm wasn't being anti-semitic, he was being ageist - something many of us should work on.)

Peter V: There's also "buddy boy", as in "Hey buddy boy, what do you think you're up to?" or "Okay buddy boy, let's see you carry that by yourself." Never a friendly expression.

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Re: Garth and OWB

Hope I have this right, but someone posted on here after Once Were Brothers film was released, suggesting that the director Daniel Roher had gone to Woodstock himself to film Garth and that it was a bit of a disaster. Not sure if true but it "feels" believable... even at his 1970s peak Garth was not the easiest interview, and I can easily imagine the director not being able to engage him.

Then in a couple of the OWB interviews, Robbie has suggested that Garth's ill health was a factor, and that they decided that what new footage there was was too unflattering to him to use. Just adding a few more relevant data points (as Garth's non-involvement with the film seems to be coming up a lot recently).

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Wallsend

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Pat B

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Pat B

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kitrick Short

Subject: the band sculptures

My new Address is 15275 collier blvd #201 Naples Florida 34119 the cost of the sculptures has gone up by $500 each Also I have a new Instagram page kitricks

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Kitrick D short

Subject: how are you

I was looking for my Sculptures of THE BAND did you take them down?

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Solomon

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Wallsend

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Norm J

Subject: Clarity

Well how 'bout if I call him "Bubba" Peter?? :-)

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Peter V

All I’m saying is that in the South, ‘boy’ is a form of address among peers. To an African-American, it would be regarded as offensive. The collocation with “Jew” would not have occurred to me at all.

I just looked at a long list of frequent collocations online and that one isn’t there. In frequency: 1) a male child: boy / 2) son – my little boy, my youngest boy / 3) big + little + small, i.e. size + boy, ‘be a good boy’ ‘you naughty boy’ / 4) job + boy (delivery boy, newspaper boy) / 5) local + boy : He was a local boy / form of friendly address (British): ‘my dear boy’ ‘good to see you, old boy’/ 6) OFFENSIVE (American) A black male servant / 7) address to a male dog: Here, boy! Down, boy! 8) British: old boy, former pupil at a school 9) a group of males: Come on, boys, we’ve got work to do

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Norm J

Subject: Garth Hudson returns to Big Pink

I just watched this vid on youtube. Put up in 2014 so I imagine every one has seen it. I hadn't seen it before. Garth returns after 47 years. What a wonderful piece of video. They show many of the actual basement tapes and the condition they are in and how they retrieved the music. It ends with just watching Garth's knarled old hands bring that beautiful music out of the piano. Wonderful.

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Norm J

Subject: John Cruz

The best way to start the day. Sitting back with a coffee and the head phones on watching John Cruz sitting on that picnic table in a park singing "Jokerman". The best cover of that song ever.

You keep up your whining Ben it is of little consequence.

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Ben

Peter, I don't see any positive spin you can read into referring to a Jewish man as a "boy". The term "Jewboy" is derogatory and hateful. Period. Full stop.

This is the kind of shit that drove Jeff Alexander off of this guestbook several years ago. Norm made a number of anti-semitic comments against both Jeff and myself.

I find it interesting that we discuss the the hateful comments that Robbie is subjected to on facebook, but give a pass to someone with a history of posting bigoted and anti-semtic comments on this guestbook.

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brown eyed girl

Call Me Levon
By Ken Gordon

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Norm J

Subject: The lame excuse

I won't go into how many Jewish friends I have. I owe no explanation. Only to say none that I know like to use this lame excuse, "If you don't agree with me or don't like what I say, you are anti-Semitic." That is just silly.

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brown eyed girl

Only Justin Bieber's Exhibit until end of 2020.

The Road to Woodstock
Richard Manuel and The Revols
EXTENDED end of May 2020

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brown eyed girl

Justin Bieber and Revols Exhibits Extended by Popular Demand!
Posted 28th December 2019
Kelly Mcintosh

EXTENDED until the end of 2020

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brown eyed girl

Road to Woodstock exhibit celebrates Stratford contribution to early Rock and Roll
The Stratford Perth Museum's The Road to Woodstock exhibit, celebrating three local musicians who had a hand in shaping Rock and Roll as we know it...
Galen Simmons

"In the late 1950s, at the birth of a new style of music, a group of Stratford teens formed The Revols, a band that would ultimately lead three of them to shape the history of rock ‘n’ roll as we know it today. The Road to Woodstock, celebrating the lives and careers of three of Stratford’s most famous rock stars – Richard Manuel, a founding member of The Band; John Till, who played with Janis Joplin’s Full Tilt Boogie; and Ken Kalmusky, who founded Great Speckled Bird, the band that backed Canadian musicians Ian and Sylvia."

Exhibit EXTENDED end of May 2020.

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Joe Frey

It was sad to hear about the passing of McCoy Tyner. Unfortunately, I don't have any of his solo records, but he is all over my John Coltrane records. Will play A Love Supreme and remember his brilliance. Any suggestions for good titles from his solo work that I should seek out?

Jesse Ed Davis' playing can be found on many of the records in my collection. In college I bought Ululu because of his cover of Strawberry Wine - - I am probably not the only one on this site who did that. Just recently I purchased the Rhino CD The Atco Recordings 1970-72 and downloaded his last LP (I think) Keep Me Comin'. Both highly enjoyable and worth your time.

Since this is the only Band social media that I follow, I do not experience that much crazy stuff about The Band and its members. While I may agree or disagree with some of Robbie's or Levon's perspectives, it doesn't diminish for me why I listen to them in the first place.

Too much anger out there.

joe

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Peter V

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Ben

Norm, You old Jew hater, please take your poison elsewhere.

Wallsend, I think the animus directed towards Robbie on facebook is unfortunate, but I don't think it's reflective of the vast majority of Band fans. It seems counterproductive to criticize people here for comments made by different people in other forums.

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Ben

Norm, Is boy short for 'jew boy'? I'm scratching my head over your derogatory intolerant comment. Please take your anti-semitic hatred elsewhere.

Wallsend, I've seen some of the awful comments about Robbie on facebook. Some of it is very vile and yes, ant-semitic. I think that element is more reflective of facebook, than of Band fans. This guestbook doesn't reflect that with the exception of Norm.

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Norm J

Subject: Words well spoken

Far Eat Man just to acknowledge you perspective. I share your opinion and your position exactly. You said it far better than I did.

Just this comment that this boy Ben made "People who are in Robbie's camp!" I have never seen the need for comments about any body's camp. I think that fellow sees it that way because for years if he reviewed his posts he is very obviously in Levon's "CAMP".

I think that most of us who dearly love the music of that Band and appreciate and love these five souls (for all their faults) see only one camp and that is the BAND.

Anything less is just disrespectful.

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Wallsend

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Far East Man

Subject: The Band!

I saw Once Were Brothers on Wednesday. I thought it was a fantastic movie. Even though I had a good idea of what was to come, there were lots of small surprises and delightful moments. I’m not a spoiler, so I’ll stop there. I’ll just say that it was an awesome tribute to The Band, and Levon - in my opinion. The whole conspiracy thing is unfortunately where we are at as a nation. You embrace everything that supports your theory, and blind yourself to everything that doesn’t. It’s a sad day when adults point there finger at others as the cause of their problems. Being fueled by negativity and rage is not how I see a healthy person moving forward.

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brown eyed girl

ExploreMusic talks to Garth Hudson (The Band) pt3

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brown eyed girl

Delphine Robertson and Dominique...Once Were Brothers

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brown eyed girl

ExploreMusic talks to Garth Hudson (The Band) pt2

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brown eyed girl

Jeff Woods talks to Garth Hudson of The Band at ExploreMusic. Part 1

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Ben

Wallsend, Where are these conspiracy fueled Levon fans that you keep referring to? They certainly aren't posting on this guestbook. Most of the people who post on this GB seem to be squarely in the Robbie camp. That's fine, but why do you keep making derogatory comments about Levon and his "fans" here? Why don't you dialogue with them where they are making there wild, reckless conspiracy fueled comments.

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John D

Subject: McCoy Tyner

McCoy Tyner one of the greatest jazz pianists has died at the age of 81.

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Rod

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Pat B

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Pat B

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Wallsend

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Lisa

Makes you wonder if the violence in those earlier movies reflected what was happening in society or predicted and influenced it.

I've been keeping an eye on all our specialty channels to see if OWB will turn up, but it hasn't so far. I'd really like to see it too, but it hasn't been shown in theaters, either.

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Ray Mizumura

Subject: Once Were Brothers

Peter V--I agree wholeheartedly on B & C. That is a masterpiece. I believe everyone and everything throughout, while at the same time being aware of the artistry and artifice. Buck Barrow's death scene. Bonnie fleeing through the fields. So much more.

Regarding OWB, which I saw and heard this week here in Lawrence, KS.

The documentary was a vibrant version of information that I already knew well from Testimony and previous accounts. Nevertheless, I found that the director breathed new life into the tales, tall and otherwise, with appropriate pacing and imagery, including plenty of archival stills and footage that was new to me.

I wasn't altogether comfortable with some later stages of the movie, just as I wasn't happy with parts of This Wheel's on Fire.

The forthcoming biography of Levon Helm should be the next major topic of interest and debate. We also need books on Richard and Rick, and an autobiography of Garth plus a book and documentary on him.

Joel Selvin is a pinhead. He made his distaste for OWB quite plain in the main body of the "review." The last very cheap shot was an indication of how far most journalistic/critical writing has declined in quality in the past few decades. It's the kind of superficial snark that I'd expect to see on social media, not from a professional. Plus, he has no business invoking Levon's name or imagining his response to the movie.

I would like to see a documentary about the Band a la what Dag does in his archives. No narration, just clips and stills from across the decades. Those archives have set the records straight on any number of issues, in my opinion.

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Peter V

Subject: Bonnie and Clyde

My 60s films retrospectives has got to BONNIE & CLYDE … it gets better every time I watch it. You forget how very funny it is.

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Norm J

Subject: The out back

You are right Doug it was Rockampton. I sure did love that country and all those little towns. The people I met and travelled with were great to me.

I never got to see Sidney except from the air when I flew down to Hobart to see my friend Peter. That is a pretty big city. When I flew back I got in a taxi at the Brisbane airport to go back to our young folks place. The driver was a huge fella, Irish but lived his life in Australia. He was the same age as me and had been in Vietman. Really interesting fella to talk to. Some of my son in law's older friends nearby played music so I got to play some while there and that was great.

I loved Australia and would like to see more. My only problem and I don't know why that long flight from Vancouver to Brisbane almost 18 hours my arthritis I was in agony most the time.

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Doug

Subject: Longreach

I'm glad you enjoyed that trip Norm. It is certainly not like going by train through the Rockies. The city is probably Rockhampton.

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Norm J

Subject: Runnin on Empty

Thanks for that Doug. No I didn't get to see that. I heard about from other folks on my return. I was kind of running out of time. I only got my train ride because I wanted to go up to this lodge near the great Barrier and see that. Trouble was, (this was March of 2017). That cyclone Debby had come thru and destroyed everything so I kinda had to change plans quickly. I didn't really know what I was going to get to see. I missed out on a ride on the paddle wheeler in the Thompson River and an evening dinner out there.

The evening we left Brisbane that town, (damn the name escapes me at the moment). It's still on the coast about 3 or 400 kilometers up the coast from Brisbane just where you head inland. About 100,000 population. We got there about 1 in the morning. There was a big moon and the whole town looked like a lake from the flooding. Acers of sugar cane laid flat. What a mess. I wanted to roam around some more. The family had this house rented for us on Morten Island so I had to come back and go out there and fight with Kookaburra birds for 4 days. Morten Island is a great holiday tho.

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Doug

Subject: Longreach

Norm, if you visited Longreach, I hope you got to see the dinosaur stampede, a mere 300km away.

Its my favourite place in that part of the world and is scores of footprints from chicken size dinosaurs being, apparently, chased by a carnivore. If you missed it, you need to go again.

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Wallsend

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Norm J

Subject: The Keas

Wallsend in that show I watched last night I saw the destruction those guys do. Up on the ski slope the amount of equipment they destroyed was crazy. One of them got the door stripping loose on a small suv. He pulled it off all the way round the whole car. They can open anything. In truth they are pretty dangerous.

I didn't get to the West coast at all but I took a train 1500 kilometers into the out back. The turn around was the little town of Long Reach. Very interesting place. It's where the big hanger is where Quantas started building their planes. It's now a museum. Across the other side of the highway is the "Stockman's Hall of Fame" Really interesting places. I stayed in the Jumbuck Motel. A lot of folks about my age, all Australians on a sightseeing tour. We spent a lot of time in the bar car swapping lies. At supper every one wanted me to sit at their table. "Where' the Canadian boy?" aw he's over here tonight. Most fun I ever had.

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Bill M

I remember meeting only one Band fan in Australia (not that I ever asked). He must've been in Melbourne and he must've had a store that sold used records and Americana. All I remember for sure is that he was in love with the US south, and saw our guys as the finest group of southerners imaginable. The colour drained from his face when I offered some helpful clarifications - gently, of course.

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Wallsend

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Norm J

Subject: From an iliterate sailor

Bill don't use big words that I don't understand.

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Bill M

John D: Thanks for remembering Jesse Ed. I remember thinking that Jesse Ed's arrival was the only part worth reading in Goldman's book on John Lennon.

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John D

Subject: Jesse Ed Davis

Remembering Jesse Ed Davis this morning.

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Norm J

Subject: New Zealand Parrots

I've taken to watching many documentaries on Netflix. Last night I'm watching "Birds & Brains". Particularly theses parrots in New Zealand amazing how smart they are. Still kicking myself. When I was in Tasmania I should have taken a hop over there and then back to Brisbane. Didn't think of it at the time. I went so many places I ran out of time. Mean while Susan just stayed in Brisbane visiting the grand kids. We did go out to Morten Island there.

Those kookaburra birds are smart and they are bad little bastards (actually they are pretty big). They sit close and if you aren't watching they will snatch food right out of your hand. They will try and bite you.

So you guys get started on the down under Band theme park and don't forget an out door concert stage. You'll make a fortune. It's gawd damn snowing here this morning.

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Peter V

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Solomon

Rotten Tomatoes have put together 42 reviews for OWB and given it a 79% success rate.

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Wallsend

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Rod

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Wallsend

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Wallsend

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Rod

I've never been down south (or to the American mainland for that matter) but I will get there one day. It will be a pilgrimage for sure.

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Wallsend

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Norm J

Subject: That's me

That's what my wife calls me all the time Pat. She just loves that word. I got no problem at all with what you are talking about Wallsend. I agree. The point I'm making is how a certain element of population that have the great infatuation of using what people have said or things done long ago for the purpose of being hurtful. Hardly ever happens here any more. There are great conversations here most the time now. I'm sure you guys know what I mean.

But I'll be a curmudgeon, I'm good at it. I'm called a racistist and bigot and other things. Non of that is true at all. I hate every body equal.....and everything.

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Pat B

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Wallsend

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brown eyed girl

Like That Richard Manuel Song

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Norm J

Subject: Pat! Why oh why oh why.

But Pat........... see now Wallsend says something I suppose it is readily available to many, then the next guy wants it clarified immediately. It always seems there are those who need to bring out what Robbie did or said and what Levon did. For what other reason than to validate what they are saying and have every one agree.

Bottom line is what the heck difference does it make. Interesting on Bob Wigo's Face book page he paid tribute to Richard on this sad day. Another friend of Bob's told how he had lunch with Richard two weeks before that awful day. He said Richard was in good spirits it seemed and was talking about his family.

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Dag B.

Subject: John Bauldie: The Beak Goes On

Piece on Richard from the Bob Dylan magazine The Telegraph #24 (summer 1986)

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Norm J

Subject: Larry Jon Wilson

Peter. Larry kicks off the "Highways and Heartaches" DVD in a studio recording.

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Ben

Subject: The Band documentary

Wallsend, Are you referring to the documentary narrated by Harry Dean Stanton? I haven't seen that piece in many years. But, I don't recall anything in it in which Robbie was blamed for everyone's problems or Jim Weider claimed to be an original member of the Band. Can you please clarify what you're talking about?

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Peter V

Subject: Georgia (on my mind)

I love Tony Joe White's music. If you like Tony Joe White, you'll love Larry Jon Wilson. The link is to "Sapelo." Relax and enjoy!

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Norm J

Subject: Comfort songs

Have you ever listened to Tony Joe White just layed back with an acoustic guitar singing his song he wrote (when he was about 16), "Rainy Night In Georgia"

There is no gawd damn way. It don't get no better - n- at. You need to hear him explain how he come to write that song. It's kinda like what we been talking about. I loved that guy so much it hurts. Like Waylon, I miss him. They just layed back and did what they did. There wasn't all this fuss. Good night, I love y'all.

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Pat B

The Forum in LA waiting for Dylan and The Band to take the stage.

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Rod

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Wallsend

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Pat B

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Bill M

Norm J: Have you looked at the short write-up at BEG's link? The writer loves the Band and says all sorts of nice things about them and their music. Unfortunately, he gets many of the basic and well documented facts wrong. I find that discouraging when resources like this site (and even Wikipedia) are available and easy to find online.

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Far East Man

Subject: Stagefright

I’m looking forward to seeing OWB tomorrow night - so glad the local theatre picked it up for screening. My biggest problem with the feud is seeing grown men blame others for their lot in life. I’m glad the movie will discuss ADDICTION or so I have heard. I’ve read many books and such on The Band, and my connecting of the dots leads me to believe that it was difficult to carry on because addiction brings unreliability, resentment, misunderstanding, and wasted time. I expect to hear an announcement soon - Isn’t Stagefright due for a remaster?

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Norm J

Subject: A cope out

I'm surprised at you Bill. But then when I think about it, I'm not. You are from Tor-on- toe. You people out there always seem to think you are the authorities of the Band! Everything they think, or have to say you feel justified in telling us.

I'm not buying it, so I'll just fade into the distance. Loving the music they created. You people go on being the authorities about how they felt, what they thought and what the motivation was.

There is not a gawd damn thing that any one says here that sways my mind. I love the music of the BAND! Always will nothing any one says will ever change that.

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Jon Lyness

I'm enjoying Bob Weir on NPR's Tiny Desk Concerts right now. A sweet, intimate performance that includes a version of When I Paint My Masterpiece. Go to npr dot org, click on "Tiny Desk" from top menu.

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Bill M

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brown eyed girl

Oops! Previous post featured Graphic of The Band by @sundaeghost....not by Elias Grigoriadis.

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brown eyed girl

Bill M and Wallsend and Jed... :-D

Take a load off, Fanny
Drawing by Elias Grigoriadis
February 25, 2020

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Wallsend

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Norm J

Subject: tThe Maybe's

All your maybes were not lost on me Bill. My point was that same old well if I told some one, "Y know what Bill said about you?" Well for all these years here there has been too many guys that have made the comments, "Robbie did this or said this and Levon said that". They act like they have absolute knowledge of what went on when the greatest percentage of it is bull shit.

Maybe fanning the flames and blowing on the embers is something some of 'em enjoy. Who knows. All my point is, as far as any differences any people may have had it's their business and no one elses. It has never done anything positive for any discussions. It has only caused the place to become caustic.

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Bill M

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Dag B.

Long Black Veil first came out in 1959 and The Band released their version in 1968, only 9 years but it seems like the world in 1959 and the world in 1968 were so much further apart than, say, 2009 and 2018. A year in the 1960s were like at least 3 modern years.

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Peter V

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Bill

Good lines there, by the way.

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Norm J

Subject: Maybe????

Jesus Bill! you sound like a politican far too many maybes. I never meant to start a great debate over Long Black Veil. I merely used it as an example of the great pains some will take to write a song and where they come from.

Some songs come within minutes when the words jus fall outta the mouth or mind.

Here's that great line from the song "Sixteenth Avenue" that those good ol' boys wrote for Lacey J Dalton.

"And then one night in some empty room where no curtains ever hung,

Like a miracle some golden words roll off of some one's tongue.

After years of being nothin' they are lookin' right at you.

Then for a while you go in style on sixteenth avenue"

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Bill M

Rod: Another of the bigger mysteries. Maybe they wanted to place themselves in the 19th century and didn't have an original that would do the trick. Maybe they came to the realise that Bob the Dwarf was getting so much of their publishing that they decided to keep the rest of their originals for a subsequent album under a new publishing regime. Maybe Rick needed another song to sing and there was nothing to choose from. Maybe they planned to give it to Levon to sing as a 'novelty' number, but he put his foot down so hard that Rick let him do "The Weight" - as long as Rick got to sing a verse. Maybe, as I noticed when I first heard Handsome Ned's cover of LBV (on the posthumous album released by Other People's Music), "The Weight" can sound so much like LBV (or vice versa) that you wonder if there's grounds for legal action.

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Rod

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Dave H

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Peter V

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Norm J

Subject: The answers

Funny Peter, it never changes. The comments on that vid you just posted. Too many people thing Marijohn wrote the song. She only put the music to it as is explained on the cassette I have. I heard this answer she wrote a long way back. It is good. There was a lot of that kind of thing back then in country music between Conway Twitty and Loretta Lynn, George Jones and Tammy Wynett.

Just this morning I was watching a video of the Band, 1983 in Vancouver just after they restarted. They were doing Long Black Veil. It was a very good job of it, better than I've heard at other times. Rick sounded good. Garth was front and center beside Rick with his accordion sounding great. It got me to wondering. I haven't heard of Garth in quite a while. How is that old boy doing?

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Peter V

Marijohn Wilkins does the answer disc to her own song.

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Norm J

Subject: The Black Veil

To conclude Danny Dill's explanation of his song. There was apparently a woman who came once a month or whatever it was to the grave of Rudolph Valentino in a black Limo and laid flowers on his grave and she always wore a black veil. That is where the long black veil came from.

I know many people very much like the Band's cover of the song however to get a listen to how Lefty Frizzel sang it, on youtube there is a video of David Frizzel (Lefty's brother) and Gene Watson singing the song together. It's good.

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Bill M

Sticking with the topic of music in film, we went to see the movie "Knives Out" the other day. Also very enjoyable, but no documentary. Also come interesting music, even if only in short burst. There was a short bit of Spirit's "Animal Zoo" - and it's always wonderful to hear Spirit, even in short bursts. And an even short bit of Gordon Lightfoot's "Sundown". Most importantly for me - because it taught me something - was the Stones' "Sweet Virginia" right at the end and continuing as the credits rolled. I didn't like the song then (and even less the rest of the album) but now I thought it sounded fantastic. Partly attributable to movie-quality remixing or remastering or whatever it is they do, but largely due to the different me at the receiving end. Certainly see why it's considered Bandish.

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Jon Lyness

Subject: Re: 1997 Classic Albums documentary

Joe Frey, I used to love that documentary. One big highlight was Levon and John Simon in a production studio playing back Rockin' Chair from the brown album, and remarking in awe on Richard's vocals, the way he sang low on the verses but came in with his high falsetto on the chorus harmonies. Levon's reactions as he hears Richard sing are poignant and priceless. I could watch that clip forever.

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Norm J

Subject: Being Humble

Thank you Pat. You always have my respect for what you say and what you do.

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Pat B

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Dag B.

Subject: Cryin' Heart Blues

The recording info from the CD booklet.

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Norm J

Subject: The curiosity and need to understand

Considering what Wallsend, Rod, and Joe Frey have said. Sure, absolutely we want to know and understand motivation of artists and what may have happened in their lives for the road taken and motivation of their works. Always interesting.

There has been many, many discussions over the years that are eye opening, some times sad or otherwise to understand the songs written and how they were performed and how people made it some sticking together at all cost and some not able to.

One example that I loved was a discussion we had long, long ago. About the writing of "Long Black Veil". I happen to have an old cassette tape of "Joe Sun". He sings the song. At the beginning Danny Dill and MaryJohn Willkens describe the process. It is really interesting.

Danny Dill explains how the idea evolved for him. There was a priest in Trenton, New Jersey that was murdered, (there is actual explanation on line about this event). There was apparently no less than 30 witnesses yet no one came forward. It was never solved and no one ever knew why. This was the beginning of his song. Red Foley had written and recorded a song called, "God walks these hills with me". That's where I got the walking these hill. But I couldn't get into my mind what this fellow did to get himself in this fix. He said then one night just about that twilight where you are going to sleep it came to me. He said I jumped up in bed and my wife said "What are you doing". He says, I know what that fella did! He was in the arms of his best friend's wife.

He took the song to Maryjohn Wilkens. She put the music to it and took it to Lefty. She said, I just sung it to him in a kitchen with no instruments. Lefty liked it and that is history.

My point is, I love the discussions, even about how people felt, the happiness and the pain. I just don't accept when people start treating it as some kind of contest to win, Who was the bad guy and who was the good guy. My guy is nicer and he wins. We can do with out that.

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Rod

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Pat B

btw, it might be useful to mention that just because something was recorded at Shangri La, a tape of the session is sitting around waiting for someone/anyone to release it.

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Peter V

First "Diversions 5: Live & Unaccompanied" by The Unthanks. We saw them in April 2019 on their vocals only tour. They did 31 shows, and had a list where you could pay £10 and put your address, and they'd sends a live album of the tour when it was finished. We did and forgot all about it. It turned up on Friday … sublime music.

Then James Taylor's "American Standard" which follows the Rod Stewart, Bob Dylan et al Great American Songbook route. As reviews point out, the songs mould easily to his style, and he can hit all the notes. He also does the obvious ones, but then the unexpected like "Sit Down You're Rocking The Boat." Very pleasant … OK, easy … listening.

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Joe Frey

Subject: Positive stuff

With my morning coffee and Sunday newspaper, I got a reminder of what I love so much about The Band. My paper had a commentary from the San Diego Union-Tribune (worth a read) about OWB. It had the usual stuff and acknowledging the obvious that it was from one person's perspective. But in summing up the power of what The Band brought to their work, the article made the following comments.

If you want to know what made The Band THE band, check out “Classic Albums: The Band,” an essential 1997 documentary about the making of the group’s self-titled second album. Through rare performance footage and interviews with Robertson, Helm, Danko and producer John Simon (and a stunning keyboard demonstration by Hudson), the 75-minute documentary explores how vital tracks like “King Harvest,” “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down” and “Rag Mama Rag” were written and recorded.

In the process, it also shows what each band member brought to The Band’s banquet table. How they swapped instruments just to shake things up. How they tossed around vocals like a hot potato. And how the music they made was the wondrous sum of their eccentric parts.

Well, I think I will just do that today. And BTW, the author ends with "Treasure it and turn it way up." joe

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brown eyed girl

Ep 313 - Robbie Robertson, Levon Helm & Rick Danko from The Band, Randy Bachman from Guess Who and BTO

"This week - some of the most iconic artists in Canadian music history. We have rare interviews with Robbie Robertson, Rick Danko and Levon Helm from The Band. Robbie talks about hooking up with Bob Dylan, Levon tells us about working in Canada and life AFTER The Last Waltz and Tom & Christopher discuss the long-standing feud between Robbie and Levon.

Also, we have an incredible 1993 interview with Randy Bachman - talking about his days with The Guess Who, the anger that fueled him to form Bachman-Turner-Overdrive and the bad blood between he and Burton Cummings."

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brown eyed girl

"The ambitious reunion is the result of the energies of Helm (the only American in the band), who anchors the group. Last year his performances with Danko led to discussion about the others joining up. Manuel and Hudson were available, but Robertson considered the reunion a “business decision, not an artistic one” and declined. Helm, 43, admits that The Band misses the formidable guitarist-songwriter. “Naturally, you wish for the best,” he says. “But for now this is just a whole lot of fun, and the crowds seem to like it.”

And The Band plays on
NICHOLAS JENNINGS
JULY 18 1983

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Dag B.

The Hard Report, February 26, 1988

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Wallsend

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Rod

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Peter V

The Modern Drummer interview is a good reminder. Levon was echoing what Robbie said about the others finding the studio uninteresting. Levon clearly loved the buzz of performance and being on the road. Robbie was at home in a studio. It reinforces the idea that a Brian Wilson / Beach Boys solution would have been a possible route.

Give NLSC a little more time. Play it today. As well as Ophelia and IMND. There are gems on there. Robbie suggests they put it down, then Garth and he spent months finishing it. Some of Garth’s greatest stuff is there, like Jupiter Hollow.

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Wallsend

I would be doubtful if there really is much stuff from Shangri-La. Certainly not 'basement tapes' level stuff. If there were any decent tracks they probably would have been included when they did the remastered versions of the cds. I have dowloaded that 'Happy Birthday Eric' boot (not sure if that is the right name) any number of times but I don't think I have ever listened to it.

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Rod

As Wallend said the back story is interesting as it helps explain why the artist did what they did and record what the did.

Ben, there's probably a whole pile of stuff from Shangri-La that has never seen the light of day. A sort of "new" Basement Tapes if it were to ever get released. I doubt it will though (if it still even exists).

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Wallsend

RF: The Band performed its last show on Thanksgiving 1976. Were you ready for it to end when it did?

LH: Well, yeah. I’m ready for whatever the day is, but it wasn’t my idea. If I had to make that decision on my own, I don’t know if I would have made it or not. But I was just as happy as anybody else to turn a new page and start out on some new projects. I never subscribe to the stay-at-home policy. I’m not sick of the road or sick of eating in good restaurants around the country. I like to travel and go to Japan, go to the sushi bars and sleep late every day.

I was just concerned with having a good time. I was thankful as hell that a few people took the time to listen to it. The longer it went, the more the new wore off. By the time The Band did The Last Waltz, the chemistry had changed, and it wasn’t a big thrill anymore to live that studio kind of life. It was a whole lot of fun at first, but after a while it got to be enough. It used to take us a reasonable amount of time to get it to where we felt we could live with it. The chemistry has got to be right, and I think, as we got down towards the end of our contract with Capitol Records, it had grown from a privilege and pleasure into an obligation. I don’t know how all that stuff happens, but you do need to keep a good perspective on it. Everybody had other ideas, other projects and different adventures they wanted to have, so The Last Waltz was a good idea at that time.

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Wallsend

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Ben

Pat, I'd much rather listen to the Band perform covers such Milk Cow Boogie, Caladonia, Willie and the handjive, and Crazy Mama over subpar album tracks as Last of the blacksmiths, the moon struck one, where do we go from here, hobo jungle, rags and bones and ring your bell.

There was a great deal of cross poloniation going on at Shangri-La in 1976-77 with Rick's album, Levon's album, Islands and the Last Waltz Suite being worked on. I've always thought that an amazing album could be assembled from these sessions, an album superior to NL-SC.

I don't think the fact that Levon had Robbie to play on one track of his album is any barometer of his feelings towards Robbie. It seems to me there was plenty of conflict and discord between members of the Band at least as as early as the Stage Fright sessions.

Regarding the Band's activity in the 80's, well they didn't do 300 one nighters like BB King, but they performed frequently either as The Band or in various combinations.

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Norm J

Subject: Just going for dinner

Wallsend, I understand exactly what you are saying. I have no problem with that. It is very interesting. My observation was, when people, (whoever) print something here that is their feeling, (Well Levon said this because he was wronged) with nothing concrete to back that up, (if you notice every time Dag prints something, he has a reference) absolutely. That is something to discuss.

However when some one just prints "here say" that they feel justified in smearing here. That is where I have a problem.

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Wallsend

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Norm J

Subject: Just an observation.

So Bill I guess I have to assume you don't like "Rhinestone Cowboy". :-)

I have watched for all these years the personal feeling and rants of so many people concerning what they see as a bitter fued and some body done some body wrong. I sure don't claim to be an authority on the history of the Band's workings and their personal feelings toward one another and how it all evolved.

I can only honestly tell my own experience. In 1963 I worked in a logging camp and stayed in a bunk house and our recreation was a community hall where we could play pool, have a beer night once a week and a movie once a week. Other than that a few of us played music together.

At that time I was very into Gordon Lightfoot, Dylan, and Ronnie Hawkins and his band, (to this day I was never a great fan of Ronnie's singing), however you had to give him credit for how he was making things happen.

So when the Band came out with "Music from Big Pink" a whole lot of my friends and I just went "Holy Fuck!" have you heard this. So I have been a fan of the Band since then.

Since joining this web site it has been a real eye opener. I know that people like, Bill Munsen, Paul G, John Donabey, Jerry Tennenbaum and many more that were in the lives of these guys know far more than I do about the years of the Band.

My point is In those years of their work together and then the "Last Waltz" and the dust settling there after, (now we don't and didn't get all the news up front out west here. I never ever remember of the bitterness and venom that came on Jan's sight. There was just more evidence of that with nothing to show that it was true. Just feelings that don't go away to try and convince every one that this fued and hatred existed.

What possible good does this do. Try as might I can never see any reason at all to carry this on and try and prove any thing by it. This is one of the main reasons I refuse to get into this shit (and that's all it is shit!

Five guys (like many of us did) got together and made some of the best music of our life time. It's a treasure, what in hell is there to fight over? Just makes me sad.

Pat I know you are head hands and feet above me in music and I try to only say something when it might make a little sense. I really respect what a lot of you fellows have to say music wise. I've learned a lot here.

This needless crap just makes it pretty sour for me.

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Wallsend

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