The Band Guestbook November 2008

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Friend0

I do think that Fast Eddie may ban Westo from his studio.

Eddie probably piss himself laughing if he knew he was taking the rap for the thing not being done.

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Charlie Y

Subject: The Hall, the Sad and The Banned

The NYC annex for the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame is just 25,000 square feet and most of what I've read about it hasn't been too favorable. The Cleveland museum has been heavily funded by music biz money magnets such as Jann (Wenner) and Yoko, plus Ohio taxpayers. It'll be around for a while. Meanwhile the expensive museum in Washington, DC devoted to the news business--the Newseum--has already laid off a lot of people. It's hard for them to compete with the great free offerings of the Smithsonian since so much of what they're offering comes down to news clips people can sit home and watch free on their computers.

Sad songs? I can't think of a sadder one than "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" by Hank Williams. Richard Manuel's "Lonesome Suzie" is a close second, but the last two lines in the lyrics are pretty damn hopeful. I could name ten Tim Hardin songs sadder--and better--than most of the top ten on that original list.

It's great to see Rosalind and Serenity back here in time for holiday giving. Welcome back to you both! It's been too quiet here lately...

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brown eyed girl

I did buy the scarf today Comrade Stevon Farm. Robbie can borrow it anytime he likes.

The Liturgical Calendar for the Church of Bob

Hi rozzz! Were you hangin' with Bumbles and Tenn?

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brown eyed girl

Sad Song....Louuuu

Dylan and some Band

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westcoaster

Subject: CD HARUMFF!

Jeff; I just talked to Eddy on Friday. He finally got back from where ever the hell he was. Lorne had phoned me and was just on his way home running light. I was here ready to go.

I've been calling Eddy since July. When I got him on Friday he cried and whined how busy he was. He's doing this gospel thing these guys were on their way out from Alberta....they already got their plane tickets, on, and on.

The moral of this story, don't give a guy too much money up front. He's been paid a few thousand bucks, and I still got no CD. I'm disgusted, I don't wanta talk about it. I've got to get this one song finished, then anything else we do, we'll do in my brother's studio.

Lorne has just written a real great song. We spent quite a bit of time in his studio with it just the other night. It's called "They're Tearin' our Honky Tonks Down"

He writes about all the places we used to play, old hotels, town halls etc that have been torn down and are gone. Blaming the smoking and drinking laws for the demise of a lot of places. (Of course we realize the necessity for these laws). It's just the way things have changed.

Remember songs like, "Dim Lights Thick Smoke & Loud Loud Music". Mo Bandy's, "Here I am I'm Drunk Again". Hank Williams Jr.'s "Whiskey Bent & Hell Bound". These are bar songs. Lorne's song would surprise, how professional it is. He's gettin' so good he's startin to scare me.

I'm going to have to take Eddy to task here right soon. Maybe if I break all the fingers on his pickin' hand........

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Peter V

There's a difference between stuff like Old Shep and Ebony Eyes (both of which are paint by numbers sad) and Sam Stone which is genuinely tragic. The thing is, artfully contrived as they are, both Old Shep and Ebony Eyes still work.

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rosalind

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Friend0

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Friend0

On a different note, bad shit may very well bequeath better smelling products later, or sooner than later. So, couple that thought with the fact that awful stuff can be presented beautifully, as in the right choice of words, and with the right sound, and with the right perspective in the lyric, and you can have stuff that could otherwise depress the hell out of you, make you mile and even uplift your spirits.

Which is not to devalue songs like Sam Stone, which is a great fucking song.

Westocaster Jones, will your cd be in people's christmas stocking?

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westcoaster

Subject: Sad

SAD! Lord Jesus.......I just said, John Prine's Sam Stone is one of the most depressing,.........

There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes,

Jesus Christ died for nothin' I suppose.

John is right saying that's not just a song you can just jump in and sing.

I told this story before, round about 1975, we're playing a Graffitti rock dance in the Sechelt legion...(the hippie haven). We're really rocking out some Chuck Berry stuff. A girl with the grannie dress and rubber boots, and hair everywhere comes up to me and says, "Hey man can you guys play Sam Stone?" Well I said to her we're rocking here right now. Why do you want to bring everyone down? She just looked aat me with that Tommy Chong far away look and says, "Well fuck you man".

We're going in circles here.......I gave the lyrics to the saddest song of Charlie Louvin's here long ago.

Here's a Toast to Mama:

Today I found a dollar on the sidewalk

So I went and bought a jug of wine.

And I'll sit here in this alley and keep drinkin'

Until the thought of momma leaves my mind.

Here's a toast to momma do you miss me,

Do you even think about me any more.

Momma did you even stop to kiss me,

When you left me laying at a stranger's door.

How I wish I could have known you momma,

Maybe now I wouldn't feel such shame.

Maybe now I wouldn't feel so empty,

'Cause momma I don't even know your name.

I'm not gonna keep writing this sad stuff. It just BRINGS YUH DOWN!

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NB

Subject: I'm (Shy And) Retiring ! / You Don't Know Me

Hi Steve. You Don't Know Me very well if you think a little thing like a World-Wide Economic Downturd is going to scuttle my retirement plans any, and make me work even one day more than I'm presently scheduled to do. However, Northern Girl may just have to slog on for another 4-5 years to offset my diminished pension, but hey that's not my problem now is it ?

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JQ

PV - I don't read music but I'd reckon that if you looked at the structure of pieces like Dies Irae or Barber's Adagio for Strings you might crack the sad- sound code. I'm a lousy player but sometimes I happen on a chord progression that works that way. Dark End Of The Street's structure could be a primer too, eh?

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rosalind

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Deb

Peter, I agree about "Raglan Road". Even Roger Daltry didn't mess it up. I think Van's version with the Chieftans is my favorite.

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Little Brøther

I vote for John Prine's haunting "Sam Stone" as a beautiful sad song.

[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B-Rh56Rm80 ]

I heard him on a radio interview remarking that it was one of the songs in his (extensive) repertoire that he couldn't sing at the drop of a hat.

In his inimitable good-natured John Prine manner, he said something like (pardon my fuzzy paraphrase), "I'll be at a party with my guitar or sumpin', and somebody will come up and say, 'John, how 'bout doin' Sam Stone?' And I'll jes' say, 'Sorry, man-- I don't think so.' It ain't the kind of song you can just up and play like that..."

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Steve

Hey Spice Boy, how you doing? Has this market crash set back your retirement plans any? I heard lots of talk about people having to work a couple more years because of declining retirement savings, on my secret mission south of the border this weekend. Hope that comma after savings didn't make the whole sentence completely unintelligible. Of course if it belonged there I take full responsibility for it. Otherwise, blame it on NORM!

I think that version of The Weight done by "Sings With Mike Off",at that induction ceremony was pretty damn sad. I cried, but through the tears kept shouting, Stop him, please! somebody, anybody, stop that man! I love that song!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BEG what other color, outside of that blackish, orangy rustic red has J2Rs been using? Inquiring minds want to know.

Anybody taking bets on how long The R@RHall will last in Cleveland now that the satellite branch has ben set up in The Big Apple?

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Peter V

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Northern Buoy

Subject: Sad Songs and Stuff

I'm totally with you Peter about Raglan Road being a gem of a sad song. It's certainly my fave of everything on Van's album with the Chieftans. Now as any noun can apparently be made into a verb nowadays (eg. "thanks for guesting on the show") I'll mention another sad song near and dear to the hearts of Band fans, namely Ray's "You Don't Know Me". At the Jim Byrnes, Amos Garrett, Steve Dawson, Doug Cox concert I attended on Friday, Byrnes "encored" with "You Don't Know Me". His voice, which you and Westie know, matched up well with the tune. Even a slight Band connection like this one always enriches a concert for me. Another bonus was when outside on the intermission for some fresh air, Amos Garrett came out for a smoke and ending up chatting with our group for about ten minutes, which was rather cool. Something not cool for the band was playing an hour and a half out of Vancouver that night, shooting up to the Yukon for a Whitehorse Saturday night affair, and then back to Van for tonight's gig. ("Oh Mr. Booking Agent, please don't spread the gigs so far apart", if I have the quotation correct).

(Norm, BEG, Jeff. Have just fired off the new emailaddress to y'all).

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JT

In the spirit of suggesting music of interest, may I offer 'In the Reins' --Iron and Wine/Calexico and then the many works by each group individually. These are 2 superb bands in the lineage of our boys and CSNY at their best. Enjoy.

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westcoaster

Subject: Sad or Depressing??

One of the most depressing songs I know, Sam Stone. Hi Brown eyes, I really don't know. The only computers I know anything about, are these Compaq Presarios I use. They employ windows media player, and I tunes. When ever I get an attached song in e mail, I just click on it, and one of theses programs down load it.

Bill Munson had no trouble, maybe he could shed some light on that.

Northern Buoy, have you changed your e mail address. This one isn't working for me now. E mail me.

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Jean

Taps and Danny Boy do me in every time.

Sappy sad songs like Last Kiss and Patches (Dickie Lee's version) miss the mark.

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Peter V

Some Irish songs have wonderfully sad melodies without even the lyric … but Raglan Road by anyone is a gem.

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JQ

Hi Jean - That's an interesting subject to me too. I love sad songs. An occasional point of contention is the difference between sad songs and depressing songs. For example Irish trad music sometimes gets the rap of being "so depressing " but I think those critics are well off the mark. Funeral music, dirges, etc are beautiful and uplifting. The topics of depressing songs could include: social injustice, war, global warming, etc - has anybody written a song yet about the deviants in the Catholic clergy? Some songs that are so commercial-only in intent, or just plain lousy can leave one in a depressed mood, particularly when those songs are very popular. Some of those USA! USA! pseudo-patriotic type of songs leave me feeling pretty bad too.

I would add in Streets of London as a well struck sad song. Ol Shep is a fine one too that I still can't quite make it through without getting messed up. I'm a big fan of Nick Lowe and he's always written a lot of sad songs and then recorded and performed them with a real moving and pretty brave sensibility; especially for such an otherwise clever fuck like him. His best sad ones include: Raining, Raining (particularly the live take), Lover Don't Go, What's Shaking on the Hill and a new one that he's performing now called I Read a Lot - you can hear that one on YouTube.

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brown eyed girl

The Band Plays On....Harold Hill

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brown eyed girl

FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 1, 2008
Feed the Birds - Garth Hudson

Hi Norm! Can anyone who has an iMac access your tunes? Hi Deeee!

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brown eyed girl

Greetings from Big Pink.

I looove scraves....especially on Robbie! I want to buy one from Nepal this week. Robbie would like it as it's multi-coloured like himself. ;-D

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Steve

Norm has picked up the historical rewrite quill and made old " Sings With Mike Off" a Metis. Cool!

Old "Sings With Mike Off" has always been an original aboriginal and now he's the first Jewish/Mohawk/ Metis. Norm, does J2Rs know about this yet? I'm sure he'd be thrilled. Maybe being the only Jewish/Mohawk Metis is what that line about being a One Man Band was really about. I'm sure in your extensive Metis research you must have come across the bit about the "Metis Scarf" being worn tied around the waist as a belt or sash. I must have missed the reference as to when it should be worn around the neck in matinee idol fashion while conducting a rock and roll band .

Norm sometimes a pink scarf is just a pink scarf.

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Jean

Subject: Saddest Songs Ever

Check out #19.

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Peter V

Dlew, that's the little known one where they all imbibe the roots of "medicinal plants" (hence the title), hallucinate and write a sci-fi story "Brave New Whirls".

The Alex Hayley one is where they discover 18th century Africa to be populated entirely by philosophers who spend their halcyon days discussing Aristotle wisely around a camp fire.

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dlew919

I make more mistakes here than anyone - but I think I should point out that Alex Haley, not Aldous Huxley, wrote Roots ...

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Empty Now

Subject: Norbert

Great post and link, taken at its informative scale, quite not interpretative

I remember an anthological scene, though all in simplicity, in Aldous Huxley TV series “Roots”, when Kunta Kinte daughter’s, Kizzy, asks him after having heard a lot of talk about, what’s the exact meaning of North, South, etc, and he answers/explains
“Listen little girl, East is the big river that a ship spends several moons to cross, West nobody ever went to know how it exactly is, South there are lots of Negroes who toil in cotton fields" after which he suddenly kept completely silent
a moment later Kizzy girl deduced “Thus it is only North that life is sweet”
while the father nodded affirmatively

so the civil rights march – all along with the ”I have a dream” speech – was hold on a Saint-Augustine day

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Rod

Those 78 Rick/Band picture are pretty interesting. The Blond Ripper dates them about them. What happened to the sunburst one? Did Robbies red strat get the bronze treatment?

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Charlie Y

The entire new release from Neil Young, "Sugar Mountain: Live at Canterbury House" (Ann Arbor, Michigan 1968) is currently available for pre-release listening via streaming audio on the NPR website. It is, of course, amazing. The official CD/DVD release date in the US is this coming Tuesday.

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westcoaster

Subject: The SCARF!

Today I took an afternoon, to lay on the couch in my family room and "veg out". Watching some of my favourite old comfort stuff.

I had the DVD, "Disc 6" from a Musical History in there. On the "Satrday Night Live" performance, while playing, (Life is a Carnival, Stage Fright & Georgia) Robbie wears the scarf. Red, not pink, with an embroydrey in it and tassels.

Some time back when this was discussed I was about to make this comment, but forgot about it somewhere. The scarf, or "sash" as it originally was has evolved to many degrees, in different areas.

The history of the Metis is long and complex, and still has some controversy as to origin. However the meaning is without question. Metis, from the Latin (miscere - to mix) has been rolled around in many ways on this continent. Mixed, mutt, savage, depending on which side of the road you are standing on. But I'm pretty sure the meaning of that scarf around Robbie Robertson's neck, is a heritage thing.

As to his flailing arms and expression. About every guitar player I've worked with over a life time of playing, has some affliction. Some bite their tongue, some mouth the licks they are playing. Some tap a foot, (not in time either) some move their guitar in a spaztic manner.

But as this site is dedicated to the Band, and Robbie receives the "greatest scrutiny" there has to be some ulterior motive to his movements. BULLSHIT!

I've mentioned here before, a guy from New Jersey who played guitar with me for a long time. (He's now a guitar teacher down in California). Nilan Ritter, well Nilan played this beautiful old Fender Broadcaster. He had this habit of holding a cigarrette gritted in his teeth, with about an inch of ash on it. So that smoke just about did me in. One night, I said "Nilan, get that gawd damn cigarrette outta yer mouth." He says, "That's my style man". I said, "Yer style just changed."

Well the next night when we're getting set to go, Jim Ryan the bass player, comes over and laughs, and he says, "Nilan just said to me, "God I love playing with Norm." Jim says "Yeah so do I, but what brought that on?" Nilan said, "He scares the shit outta me!"

I never done nothin.

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S.M.

Still no Rosalind! Guess she really was banned.

She can be very smutty, but it makes her " gems " shine all the brighter.

I'm hoping she'll be back soon.

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JQ

Norbert - Thanks for that info. Although a small adjustment I would make on it is that the lynching of black Americans, although primarily done in the South, was not limited by those borders. Indiana, Kansas & Missouri were right there too. And likely some more even further west.

That practice was so ingrained that even somebody as progressive & powerful as FDR couldn't pass meaningful legislation against it. Let's hear it one for time for the conservative movement's history in America. They do love their traditions.

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Joan

Subject: Emmet Till

Norbert, I so very well remember that shameful episode in our history. The attached link is to that Billie Holiday song.

with President elect Obama, we have come along way,but we still have so far to go. There are already death threats. I pray for his safety.

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Norbert

"Money, Mississippi. Along the road a sign: a good place to raise a boy. On 28 august 1955 the 14 year old Emmett Till is being kidnapped, tortured and killed here. Till is black. That is about the only thing that still can be seen from his tortured body. Mother Till demands that the coffin of her son remains open so that everyone can see what happened to her child. A shock hits America, land of the free, home of the brave. Between 1890 and 1950 about 5000 black people are lynched in the former slave states – the south of America. A soft swaying from a three, rope around the neck, while white crowds watches or a sadistic death like that of Emmet. Black bodies swaying in the Southern breeze, strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees. April 1939 Lewis Allan sings his song ‘Strange Fruit’ for Billy Holiday. She hesitates ‘I was afraid people would hate it.’ At the end of her gig that evening Billy says: ‘Some guy’s brought me a hell of a damn song that I’m going to do’. Billy sings. Southern trees bear a strange fruit … Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh, then the sudden smell of burning flesh. From that moment on Billy will end all her gigs with this song."

This is the translation of the first text lines underneath the picture of Billy Holiday at the link (VPRO site\Dutch radio). They made a program about Martin Luther King and music, to hear all the songs click the link and hit STREAM AFSPELEN.

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Crea

Subject: Greetings from Holland

Nice music! Going to meet you when I am travelling overthere!

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JQ

Jeff0 - Thanks for that bit on The Sadies. I've been working through their catalog and enjoying it, particularly New Seasons. With next-generation folks & groups like them, Neko Case, The Hackensaw Boys and Teddy Thompson (country may not be TT's primary genre but he really gets it & digs it) I think that country music's future is in pretty good hands. And I'm certain that with the upswing in the popularity of Americana there will be a lot more listeners & artists to come along.

Now if we could just get rid of smooth jazz & Nashville pop some of these younger artists might even make some dough.

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brown eyed girl

Sometimes I feel so happy,
Sometimes I feel so sad.]
Sometimes I feel so happy,
But mostly you just make me mad.
Baby, you just make me mad.
Linger on, your pale blue eyes.
Linger on, your pale blue eyes.

Thought of you as my mountain top,
Thought of you as my peak.
Thought of you as everything,
I've had but couldn't keep.
I've had but couldn't keep.
Linger on, your pale blue eyes.
Linger on, your pale blue eyes.

If I could make the world as pure and strange as what I see,
I'd put you in the mirror,
I put in front of me.
I put in front of me.
Linger on, your pale blue eyes.
Linger on, your pale blue eyes.

Skip a life completely.
Stuff it in a cup.
She said, Money is like us in time,
It lies, but can't stand up.
Down for you is up."
Linger on, your pale blue eyes.
Linger on, your pale blue eyes.

It was good what we did yesterday.
And I'd do it once again.
The fact that you are married,
Only proves, you're my best friend.
But it's truly, truly a sin.
Linger on, your pale blue eyes.
Linger on, your pale blue eyes.

I'd have to check my books on Louuu but I always thought this song was about his first wife Betty but then again with Louuu.....oh boy!

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brown eyed girl

All right! Sheryl Crow and Emmylou Harris join together for a live version of Louuu's "Pale Blue Eyes".

Pat Blind Willie (I can see that you can see now. ;-D)....sending positive vibrations.

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brown eyed girl

This time Sheryl Crow, Levon Helm, Jacob Dylan, and Emmylou Harris singing Not Fade Away at Roseland circa 1997

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brown eyed girl

Sheryl Crow, Levon Helm, Emmy Lou Harris, Jakob Dylan and Wallflowers - The Weight - Roseland 2/26/97

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joe j

Subject: Catskill Serenade / Tom Thumb's Blues

Link to a tune from the (mostly) unreleased Bromberg session.

From Wikipedia re 'Tom Thumb's Blues':

'Canadian singer-songwriter Gordon Lightfoot was the first to cover the song, shortly after the release of Highway 61 Revisited. Issued as a non-LP single in early October 1965, Lightfoot's version of "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" was a #3 hit in Canada.'

Available on any Lightfoot collection anyone?

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Charlie Y

Subject: Stephen King's "Best Albums of 2008"

I'm working on my own favorites of the year list, but here's Stephen King's top eleven. In case you never heard the story, Mr. King is such a music lover he once bought his local radio station because he didn't like the music they played. Anyway, here's his list:

10. Hey Ma, James

9. Harps and Angels, Randy Newman

8. Gift of Screws, Lindsay Buckingham

7. Lay It Down, Al Green

6. Viva la Vida, Coldplay

5. Real Animal, Alejandro Escovedo

4. Feed the Animals, Girl Talk

3. Just Us Kids, James McMurtry

2. Black Ice, AC/DC

1. (TIE) Black Butterfly, Buckcherry, and Break Up the Concrete, The Pretenders

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Blind Willie

I only check here once or twice a month and saw your shout out today. Nice to hear from you. dylan_fan at rogers dot com It is really good to see the GB back in Jan's hands. Looks like there is a lot more talk about music here lately.

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brown eyed girl

Carol!!!!!!! Did you see these photos of Rick? He's with Wavy Gravy in 1984 and then there are some of Rick from 1970.

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brown eyed girl

....just one more of The Band Fine Art Photography Signed Sealed Delivered They're Yours.

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brown eyed girl

The Band Fine Art Photography Signed

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brown eyed girl

Thanks for yout responses Bill M and Peter. I've always been curious as to the archives of The Hawks photos. I always thought it meant they had the photos but not necessarily took the photos.

After I checked out Tim's link of The Band in a club in 74/78 (Thank you!) I found these photos of The Band in 1975 in the same club? and 1972 at The Fillmore East?

"The acquisition of The Michael Ochs Archives so soon after the WireImage deal indicated Getty sees significant opportunity in the pop-culture, celebrity and entertainment image business. Getty will provide clients with all rights and clearances services associated with the use of images from the collection. The company plans to have 15,000 images digitized and available on-line by early April and will continue to add the remaining 60,000 more through 2007." “My goal with the collection has been to share this important piece of pop culture on a large scale while protecting its integrity,” said Michael Ochs. “Getty Images is uniquely equipped to preserve this imagery and make it easily accessible to the world.”

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Peter V

With photography and artwork, owning the artifact does not bestow copyright. I have several illustrations and original photos from various things, and they state clearly that copyright is reserved to the photographer / artist. Owning the drawing or negative means you own a piece of paper or plastic. The photographer has the copyright, not the guy with the bit of plastic.

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Empty Now

Ilkka Jauramo : sad news, i always believed that if there is only one clone of The Band on Earth, it was WIGWAM

Bill M : it’s a typo, 49 is New Jersey indeed, the error must be subconscious (inserting two yet unkwown States), very interesting about Jemima Surrender on bonus track\, too bad that you don’t GB on the week end

A song that has not lyrics :
mysterious Chaabi music, it’s Oriental, though very enjoyable to Western music educated ears, lyrics are even more mysterious, in Hachemi Guerouabi linked song, the line
“Wisdom will last only for he who studied the B L E M L letters”

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Bill M

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bassmanlee

Subject: Simon on Colbert

Northern Nut, you've just outed yourself as a member of the Colbert Nation. (See link.) I believe that the song was used in campaign ad(s) for Obama, too. Poignant indeed. And more chord changes than any song I've ever tried to play!

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Pat B

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Joan

NB, nice to hear from you. Hi! back at you.

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Ilkka Jauramo

Subject: R.I.P Pekka Pohjola

Mr. Pekka Pohjola was the bass player in Finnish group WIGWAM (related artists in this site). He died at the age of 56. Like many of Finnish rock musicians he was classically educated at SIBELIUS ACADEMY in Helsinki and worked as a composer until his early death. I believe it was in August 1970 when I first heard WIGWAM in a rock festival in Finland. They played NOTHING BUT The Band songs.

Some academic linguistic, for Peter :-) "Pekka" was the god of agriculture in ancient Finnish mythology and "Pohjola" means Nordic Countries... sort of.

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brown eyed girl

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Bill M

BEG: That Hawks photo's not from '59. Likely '60, but possibly '61. Looks summery.

Re Tom Wilson of BARK, I just saw a news release (see link) that lists him among the Hamilton musicians who've recorded a new Christmas song in support of local and international efforts against AIDS.

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Bill M

Kristie: I met Ian Tamblyn earlier this year too. As you say, a very nice man. I saw him perform just once - and that was in the late '70s or early '80s - but I understand that he is considered a treasure in Ottawa folkie circles. Most notably, he's the guy who produced most of the songs on the recent William Hawkins tribute comp (see link) and sings a couple of them himself. He's originally from Thunder Bay, and was a big fan of Neil Young and the Squires when they were based there briefly in the '60s.

David P (and possibly others): Neil Young and Kristie's mention of Ian Tamblyn's love of the Band is a nice segue to something I was going to post anyway. Did you ever notice that the second half of Robbie's solo in the alternative version of "Jemima Surrender" that appears on the Big Brown remaster (around 2:45, shortly after Levon sings "fly away") is borrowed from Buffalo Springfield? Especially, "Go And Say Goodbye", I believe, and especially the final quarter.

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brown eyed girl

A snip of Ronnie and The Hawks performing "Forty Days".

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brown eyed girl

For Serenity who I almost met while in Kit. We connected on the phone instead.

The Hawks: Levon Helms, Will Pop Jones, Rebel Payne, Robbie Robertson location Arena 1059, Oakville, Ontario photo credit courtesy of Hawk Productions

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brown eyed girl

Thank you Ari. Here's the Grateful Dead Live at Nassau Coliseum on 1993-04-04 (April 4, 1993) performing Robbie's "Broken Arrow".

Thanks for info@dinoperrucciphotography.com. Some of his other photos have previously been posted as well.

Hi back Northern Boy, Serenity, Bill M, Blind Willie McTell if you're still out there, John Donabie, Cobi, Calm....Hey, I just realized I've met all these Canadian posters except for NB.

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Friend0

Subject: Great Current Photo of Levon

Link Above. The drummer in the backgrond in one of the other photos is James Wormworth. From the Black Italians and a zillion other bands., James is one of the few drummers who does get to drum with Levon that is worthy of drumming with levon. James is fucking incrediuble. One of my favorite drummers.

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Ari S.

Subject: new robbie interview

audio interview with bob rivers

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Joan

Subject: Complete with Bob's spit

Yours for a mere $25,000.

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Northern Nutmeg (seasonal pseudonym)

Subject: Honestly ? Just A Bunch of Stuff I Wouldn't Waste MY Time Reading

Hi Everyone ! Well, enough about you. Let me start by saying that I've just gotten rid of my cutting-edge Fischer-Price toy technology (ie. Dial-Up) and have now graduated to "the big leagues" with watchamacallit - oh ya - High-Def. . So bring on those links BEG !

Friendo. What Band song do I picture Jim Byrnes singing, you ask ? Not sure but maybe "Rocking Chair". The song requires so much soul that almost no one but Richard should mess with it, but Jim might just possibly do it justice. I'll keep your question in mind when I see him perform tomorrow night with Amos Garrett and couple of serious west coast music scene notables. Your mention of Garth was clever Jeff, but not nearly clever enough to make me reveal the details of his visit to our house. Nice try though, Friendo.

Now not to repeat myself over and over and over and over again, but if I've said it once then I'm reasonably certain that I must have said it, well, once I guess. Namely, that the one song you shouldn't overlook on that Endless Highway album is the one that almost doesn't appear on the album. It's the bonus track found only on the Borders version. It stands out by being the most-Bandlike thing on there (leastwise in my arrogant opinion) what with the strong harmonies, the alternating of vocalists (a la The Rumour) and the highly Danko-like dude who a little ways in sings " Go down old Hannah... blah, blah, blah, ...Judgement Day for sure". (I seriously doubt if anyone could sound like Rick for more than about two lines though !). I speak of course of "Ain't No More Cane" by John Hiatt and The Love To Beat Our Feet On The North Mississippi Mud Allstars". So everyone go to the Endless Highway site right now and check it, OK ? (Or you're dumber than a stick !).

What else ? Oh ya, I can't remember whose show it was on but I recently heard Rhymin' Simon sing "American Tune" and was really struck at how the lyrics are perhaps now even more relevant and poignant than ever. Anyone else see him and/or know what I'm talking about ?

Anyway, glad to be back and able to deliver on my promise (of posting nothing worth reading). Better run before I inadvertently let something worthwhile slip out.

Hi to BEG, Steve, Dlewsional, Peter, Joan and Bill M. (thanks for the Hawks/Downchild Blues Band info).

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Fred

Tom Jones doing "Volcano" would work out just fine.

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Jonathan Katz

Happy Thanksgiving!

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Joe Frey

Subject: Ry

"Ry Cooder's 1980 album "Borderline" is another favorite of mine. I would also add that John Hiatt's 1987 album "Bring The Family", featuring Ry on lead guitar, Nick Lowe on bass and Jim Keltner on drums, is essential." David P, I agree with you. While BTF is often cited as a classic, Ry's Borderline is ignored by many. Even in Japan, all of Ry's albums have been remastered except for that one. I would kill for a remastered version of "That's the Way the Girls are in Texas." joe

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dlew919

Jeff: some brilliant ideas have you ever thought of running a record company? ;-)

JQ: I loved your ideas as well!

I'd reckon Tom Jones could make a decent fist of 'Shape I'm In', 'Rockin' Chair', '4% Pantomime' and a couple of others...

I can't go past Merle Haggard doing TNTDODD, and couple others of the country-style

What Janis could've done with 'Whispering Pines'...

and getting more left-field here: Dixie Chicks 'Unfaithful servant'.

Just suggestions...

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Friend0

yes, it's funny how we end up in the same place. And somebody keeps ordering tequila :-)

JQ, Deb's info threw you off track. Funny how effortlessly women can tend to do that to us men. Not knowing Deb personally, no way to know if she threw the curveball just for kicks, or if the pitch just got away from her. Yes, her info was related, but somewhat off topic, and of course, welcome. Don't get offended Deb. we're just talking here and had JQ not been 3 and 2 on the count, and swingin at every pitch,I never woulda said boo. JQ, I was asking for who you guys would like to see cover songs Rick or Richard sang.

Some interesting suggestions there JQ. Vern Gosdin is a good singer. I agree with you that most Band covers i've heard don't do it for me.

Got to disagree on one thing though. Richard, Rick and Levon sang in their natural voices. Levon still does.

To your worthy observation about so many new singers sucking, most newer acts should be ashamed of themselves. never woulda got on the radio years ago.WFUV, the big station here, is featuring male & female singer songwriters that couldn't have gotten themselves arrested for impersonating a singer songwriter once upon a time. Some young chick gets play with this absolutely awful "tune", You Take Me The way I Am. There are so many ridculous "songs" that aren't even musical getting plenty of airplay. It's pitiful

Suggestion Adam Duritz (Counting Crows) good artist to cover some of Rick's tunes. It Makes No Difference comes to mind

Van Morrison, can take his pick.

Larry Thurston would sing It Makes No Difference, I Shall be Released. Shape I'm In, King Harvest, like nobody's business.

Buckwheat Zydeco, Shape I'm In

Lurrie Bell, King Harvest

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abby

Nothing makes me want to stick Brown into the car CD player more than when my husband pops in Endless Highway.

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kristie

I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Tamblyn and his kids in Canmore this summer. He was very friendly and after talking about music for a few minutes I mentioned I was a huge Band fan and he said he was also a fan and really liked Robbie's guitar playing. I also caught Murray Mclauchlan at the Canmore folk fest and he was great. He talked a bit about Canadian music at one of the workshops and mentioned The Band. I was the only person in the audience who cheered at this.

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Ari Selinger

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Peter V

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JQ

Is there any Band song that would work as an instrumental?

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JQ

Jeff0 - I'm not certain I have the this right. Are you asking for recommendations of covers extant or suggestions for the best artists to cover a Band tune?

Anyway - On the Endless Highway CD I like Death Cab For Cuties' Rockn' Chair, but not much else on that one. Something I've noticed with younger bands now is that they sing in their authentic voice. Which is fine but some sound so immature, light & white that the soulful depth & texture of The Band singers is missed. It's like a 21 year old pimple-faced Appleby's bartender giving advice about life. Of course it could just be that in the 60's so many white singers patterned their singing style after black singers and the new crowd doesn't do that anymore.

Uncut put out a disc a few years ago with groups that have cited The Band as an inspiration. On that Little Feat does Rag Mama Rag which I think is pretty ho hum, they don't bring anything new to it. The rest of the groups on that effort leave me cold for the reason above. Maybe The Gourds or Drive-By Truckers but I'm not familiar enough with them to say.

I'd like to hear Seal try Whispering Pines. Vern Gosdin with When I Paint My Masterpiece and maybe Taylor Swift doing Out of the Blue. Consider Amy Winehouse for Rag Mama Rag or anything really; she would likely bring something new to it at least I'd bet.

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jh

Jeff, the great DL is still around, last seen touring the UK this fall. I met the man back stage in '74, aged 15(!), still have the t-shirt to prove it... their keyboard player, Bill something, freaking us all out. I'll give you more details the next time we're at that off-Broadway tequila bar we always seem to end up at :-)

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Dunc

Subject: Thanks

Thanks, Empty Now. An interesting story. Peter Cook was a huge star here before substances took over.

Thanks for the song. I play it from time to time and feel Paul wrote it forme.

SawDennis Locorriere last year in Bill Wyman's band. A great show.

Hello Serenity

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Friend0

Blondie Chaplin for Whispering Pines.

I hope all the Southern Canadians have a great holiday.

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jh

The Eagles (until Randy Meisner left, that is), Dr Hook & the Medicine Show (Dennis Locorriere's voice, mainly), Jim Steinman (solo!), Marc Cohn ("Listening to Levon"), and, of course, the great Neil Diamond (tvirf hf gvzr gb erfgbpx gur orre, fzbxr naq crr jura jngpuvat GYJ, heheheh).

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JTull Fan

Serenity, it is great to check in and see that you are back. Please stick around this time, ok?

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Friend0

JJ Cale, for This Wheel's On Fire also.

Neil Young, Brainwashed

David Crosby, Java Blues. Of course it's not really a blues song. On a related topic, Crosby did prove he had great potential for blues or gospel inflected singin with his performance of Long Time Coming (Gone?).

Bob Dylan, Brainwashed. Crazy Mama.

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Joan

Nice to hear from you.

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Serenity

Subject: A Thanksgiving Story

I found this one fascinating, and hope you all find it the same. BEG: "Hello" to you too. Take care and I love you all. xoxoxoxo

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Bill M

That song's about the big 49 of US history, the California gold rush of 1849, which also figures in the campfire song "Darling Clementine") and Bandish pseudo-epic song by the Toronto group Lighthouse.

The California rush was perhaps superceded in public mythology by the Klondike gold rush fifty years later - see various works of Jack London (who you mentioned in another context a couple of weeks ago, I believe) and Robert Service.

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Landmark

Thanks Empty. Definitely more interesting than sadoku. Freemasonry! Really Fred.

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Empty Now

New Mexica 49 = 12+35 OH!

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Empty Now

Bill M, Fred, Landmark, check out the linked page above

12 = 10+2 / 35 = 30+5 , If you follow the letters, YB LH [cross-transcript], what could it mean ? God the Father ? godfather ? in reality it’s read from left to right HL BY

Otherwise the suggested decrypt gives which can be merged as
“End of the Beginning Witnessing Wisdom / Remedial Guide”
a coded message with an evident all J2R* TLW connection

Don’t neglect those clues, Dylan isn’t someone stranger for Abjad system is -- just kidding, the widely accepted explanation Rainy Day Woman is connected with some Dylan’s experience with Asian immigrants living in poverty in New-Mexico (Code 49 = 15+35)

* I just realized that J2R is Abjaded as “Answerer seeing wisdom as a whole”

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Landmark

God speed Mother Nature, you know I never really wanted to say goodbye. Pay attention, the football sucks this afternoon and Bill may have a pop quiz on the song.

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westcoaster

Subject: Eagle & Caribou??

The mouse is in control. Everybody seems to have one in hand.

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Landmark

Last Thursday, I mentioned "When I Die" and included a Youtube link for the others who have never experienced the joy of that song.

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Bill M

Landmark: Thanks for reviving your top 5 - but what link last week? I listen occasionally to Mainline's "Home and Native Land" CD from time to time, and you're right about the nice bounce of "Get Down To". But my favourite's always been the rock and roll stomp of "Goin' To Toronto".

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JTull Fan

Joe, You might find Shot of Love and Infidels worthy to seek out. Shot of Love features the very moving Every Grain of Sand, which I have been playing in my head this week, and Infidels is very topical for today.

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Landmark

Subject: what the world needs now is......

A Canuckistani Top 5 list to mull over. 1) Guns, Guns, Guns - The Guess Who (The chorus is in my brain today) 2) When I Die - Motherlode (Of Course! I hope some of you looked up that link last week) 3) Music @ Work - Tragically Hip (Alone in the office blasting my music yeah!) 4) Got Down To - Mainline (A lovely bounce to it) 5) Oh Julianna - 5 Man Electric Band (Sorry Bill, Money Back Guarantee just doesn't stack up today) I'm not a big fan of Rainy Day Women # 12+35 but I like the "Before The Flood" version. Great guitar line and Garth of course.

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westcoaster

Subject: You don't believe?

The eastern world, it is explodin' Violence flarin' bullets loadin'.

Hostages in Mumbai!

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joe j

Might as well weigh in with my two cents worth on Ry Cooder. You probably can't go wrong with any of his early albums but one that no one else I know has ever heard is 'The Slide Area' in which our boys (Cooder, Keltner, Drummond etc.) get incredibly funky.

The album opens with the wacky 'UFO Has Landed in the Ghetto', has covers of 'Gypsy Woman ' and 'Blue Suede Shoes', cracks me up with 'Which Came First (The Egg or the Hen) and takes it out beautifully with 'That's the Way Love Turned Out for Me'.

Recently bought ‘Planet Waves’ for the first time. I hadn’t heard it in thirty years but remember when one of my brothers got it ‘hot off the shelf’, telling me excitedly “Dylan’s got the Band backing him up”. A teenage Joey J was decidedly unimpressed. Actually it holds up very well. Dylan is in good voice; the Band, a little ragged but very right. What’s the story about Levon missing the boat again and only present for some of the session?

I’m running out of Dylan records to buy. The bottom of the barrel is in sight. I don’t have the debut one (I always thought Freewheelin was the first), don’t have Self Portrait, Dylan , Pat Garrett, New Morning nor anything between Slow Train and Good As I Been except Oh Mercy. Maybe that first album is the next on the list. Any recommendations anyone?

Happy Thanksgiving all you rebs.

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Fred

Something to do regarding free masons I think...OK not really.

Perhaps it's the 20th century equivalent to the riddle of the Sphinx

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Brien Sz

It could be Urban Legend but I heard that 12 and 35 were the ages of a mother and daughter who walked into the studio area while the song was being recorded. It had been raining so hard that they needed to get out of it and Bob found out they were those respective ages...., like I said, possible urban legend.

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Bill M

I kinda like it now - and certainly appreciate it more than I did way back when. The basic 'stoned' pun is clever in a stoner kind of way (i.e, suited the classmates' humour in the olden days) and 'rainy day women' (i.e., true friends as opposed to 'fair weather friends' - see also Lightfoot's "Rainy Day People") would pass as sophisticated in some quarters.

But what's with the '12 and 35' business? Maybe the numerologists who answered the '25 or 6 to 4' question have some theories?

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HeavensWill Band

Happy Thansgiving

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Deb

Jeff, for what it's worth, Marty Stuart has a pretty fair cover of "The Shape I'm In" on one of his albums. He also covered "The Weight" with the Staples for a compilation called "Country, Rhythm, and Blues"

Charlie, I agree with something you said earlier. Seems like we can either talk politics or not here. I try not to as requested, but it's hard to let some observations go without a response. For what it's worth, I'm perfectly confident about Mr. Obama's ability to lead.

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Steve

Kevin if you need to know what any song is about, ANY SONG, just ask.

Peter did you bring up Rigby this week because of the auction ?

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Empty Now

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Empty Now

Subject: Dunc - Re: Peter Cook

from the book
"Anyway Anyhow Anywhere (Revised Edition 2005): The Complete Chronicle of The Who 1958-1978"
by Andrew Neill (Author), Matthew Kent (Author), Roger Daltrey (Foreword), Chris Stamp (Foreword)

Page 263

Monday 6 September
Keith took it upon himself to arrange a session for comedian Peter Cook at Clover Recorders, Hollywood, featuring members of the Band and Ricky Nelson who tried arranging woefully inept non vocal. The unproductive session soon degenerated to a marathon binge. The unreleased track in question, "Rubber Ring," was among songs Keith selected from the Warner Brothers catalogue for his own ill-fated second album — begun around the same time at Clover.
The sessions were produced by Booker T and the MGs guitarist Steve Cropper, with Jim Keltner drumming, and Cropper's sidekick, Donald "Duck" Dunn on bass. Ringo Starr, David Bowie, and Ron Wood were among the star names who dropped by to help. Three completed tracks: "Do Me Good," "Real Emotion," and Randy Newman's "Naked Man" appeared in 1997 as bonus tracks on the Two Sides Of The Moon CD reissue.
The session for "Do Me Good" was filmed by producer Tony Palmer for his mammoth, seventeen- part television history of popular music, All You Need Is Love. The four-minute segment appeared in Part 16 ("Whatever Gets You Through The Night — Glitter Rock"), transmitted Saturday, 28 May 1977, over the LWT network, 10:30-11 :30 pm.
Keith was seen recording his vocal track, listening to playbacks with Cropper, and kissing girlfriend Annette Walter-Lax for the camera. He was also interviewed (clad in a red bathrobe) at his Sherman Oaks home about the Who's early years. Although not seen in Palmer's documentary, a clip was used by Jeff Stein in The Kids Are Alright.

…[sigh].., “members of the Band”… so our guys fell down to such a low level of insignificance, on the other hand, I just can’t figure how an outfit of stars name ended-up in unproductive session, if he isn't 200% evil then he's stupid, if he isn't stupid then he is ill-influenced, four years in the white house are long to be for Barack Hussein Obama, BHO, in medical terms you are confronted here to a severe case of transplant rejection risk

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brown eyed girl

A lot of things have happened
Since the last time we spoke
Some of them are funny
Some of 'em ain't no joke
And I trust you will forgive me
If I lay it on the line
I always thought you were a friend of mine

Sometimes I think about you
I wonder how you're doing now
And what you're going through

The last time I saw you
We were playing with fire
We were loaded with passion
And a burning desire
For every breath, for every day of living
And this is my Thanksgiving

Now the trouble with you and me, my friend
Is the trouble with this nation
Too many blessings, too little appreciation
And I know that kind of notion—well, it just ain't cool
So send me back to Sunday school
Because I'm tired of waiting for reason to arrive
It's too long we've been living
These unexamined lives

I've got great expectations
I've got family and friends
I've got satisfying work
I've got a back that bends
For every breath, for every day of living
This is my Thanksgiving

Have you noticed that an angry man
Can only get so far
Until he reconciles the way he thinks things ought to be
With the way things are

Here in this fragmented world, I still believe
In learning how to give love, and how to receive it
And I would not be among those who abuse this privilege
Sometimes you get the best light from a burning bridge

And I don't mind saying that I still love it all
I wallowed in the springtime
Now I'm welcoming the fall
For every moment of joy
Every hour of fear
For every winding road that brought me here
For every breath, for every day of living
This is my Thanksgiving

For everyone who helped me start
And for everything that broke my heart
For every breath, for every day of living
This is my Thanksgiving

(Don Henley/Stan Lynch/Jai Winding)

My Thanksgiving

Hi Serenity! :-D

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Serenity

Subject: HAPPY THANKSGIVING

Long-time-no-see. Hope all is well. Been very busy as usual, but miss you all like crazy. Things look the same still. That's a good thing. Have a very safe and happy holiday Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo

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Friend0

Blondie Chaplin for whispering Pines.

JJ Cale, Blind Wilie McTell. Yeah, Dylan wrote it, but we know it well as a Band song, Danko vocal.

I'm just going for the obnvious songs, not picking any of the hard ones, and not thinking too hard either.

Bessie Smith?

Across The Great Divide?

Shape I'm In? Toby Keith mayhaps? George Jones, on a young day?

NB, see any job ops for that Byrnes guy?

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dlew919

Steve - No-one's mentioned the album yet, but Get Rhythm is a terrific album. Finishes off (from memory) with a beautiful song called 'Across the borderline', a duet with ... that actor ...

I also like the Crossroads soundtrack, with it's (yet another) reinterpretation of 'Crossroad Blues' 'Somebody's callin' my name' and some originals...

But PEter and David's suggestions are fully endorsed by me...

Jtull: you are not the only one who skips that song. David P.: isn't it trombone? (i don't really know...)

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Friend0

Levon Helm / She’s About a Mover Los Lobos / And It Didn’t Even Bring Me Down Jimmie Vaughan / Why, Why, Why Alejandro Escovedo / Too Little Too Late Greg Dulli / You Was For Real Dave Alvin / Dynamite Woman The Gourds / Nuevo Laredo Terry Allen (with Joe Ely) / I’m Not That Kat Anymore Freda & the Firedogs / Be Real Shawn Sahm (with Augie Meyers) / Mendocino Joe ‘King’ Carrasco & Texas Tornados / Adios Mexico Charlie Sexton / Magic Illusion

Okay. Here is one to keep the scholars busy for a while!

This probably is a futile pursuit. It is impossible for anyon to sing the songs Rick sang and to do comparable justiece to the vocals of Rick Danko, and also impossible to musically perform Band songs & do them comparable justice. I don't mean sound like The Band. I mean sound like I'd want to keep listening. It's just I have a hard fucking time listening to anyone else do these songs. The Other 4, sure. Easy. Rick, Richard ,Garth or Levon's other bands or efforts were usually amazing. But take Band members out of the equation, I've always been nonplussed. ( All that said, the best gawd damn effort at this is coming up. The Garth Hudson produced Band tribute album).

But, here's my scholarly assignment anyway, should the scholars or lay people choose to accept it.

If you were producing a Rick Danko or Richard Manuel Tribute album, which acts would you choose to perform which songs of either vocalist? Band members and family are excluded.

Also, acts or artists have to be alive. Even if they are not always perfroming together, there must be the opportunity for it to happen. The Desert Rose Band, for example, well, they are doign hsows together. Poco, is doing shows together, including some with Rcihie & Messina. I like Chrissie Hyndes for It Makes No Difference and I Shall Be Released (Which she did incredibly well at The Bob Dylan Atlantic records 30th Anniversary show).

I also like Richie Furay For It Makes No Difference. Maybe we'll have two versions fo it.

Timothy B. Schmidt & Paul Cotton, backed by Poco ( Henley ain't getting near my fucking project, especially not on the Last Waltz Holiday), for Whispering Pines.

Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, for Up On Cripple Creek, Rockin Chair, or Unfaithful Servant

The Desert Rose Band, for Up On Cripple Creek, Rockin Chair, or Unfaithful servant.

Okay, not so futile. Pick the right artists, it oculd be done. Still, I may be a schmuck, but I think i'd still rather hear the originals. Maybe that's one of the things wrong with what the labels are doing. Back some great original music by great legitmate artists, not tribute after tribute after tribute.

The new schlock I hear daily on WFUV, is so pitiful. I can barely listen to FUV anymore. Some of these new recording artists, with deals, can barely play their instruments.

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Friend0

Sequencing is not a casual matter. Nor is Dylan casual when it comes to his art.

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(rollie) jeff newsom

Holy Shi-ite! Has it been that long?? 32 years since the Last Waltz...........have I ever mentioned on these pages that I was there??????? All the best to fellow Band knuckleheads during these interesting times.-------JN

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brown eyed girl

Blondie Chaplin - shows in Norway -updated
Posted by: Addicted ()
Date: October 9, 2008 17:37

November 28th is a date all Scandinavian Stones fans should head for the city of Hönefoss.

Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys, a fine Stones tribute band, have two annual gatherings at a local club. Around 600 people turn up every time. It's an event.

This year Blondie Chaplin of the Rolling Stones backing band, will join them. He's going to play some solo material, and will be invited to join Little Boy Blue on some songs.

Preliminary list for Blondie's gigs in Norway:
Nov. 27th: Bekkestua - Onkel Blaa. 22:00. Interview with Blondie, conducted by Jorgen Roll of Norwegian Wood, followed by a concert.

Nov. 28th: Hönefoss - Alfred, with Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys. Link: [www.ringbillett.no]

Nov. 30th: Oslo - Parkteatret 18:00
Dec. 1st: Oslo - Herr Nilsen 20:00. Link: [www.billettservice.no]

Blondie will also do a few jobs in The Netherlands and in Germany.

The Willy DeVille shows coming up in NYC....I love his music with Mink DeVille but when I listened to his trio.....not the same for me. Then again, since I haven't seen him since the eighties....I'd catch him if he was in town.....real character whose persona is real macho but has a huge heart if you listen to his romantic lyrics. Doc Pomus really liked him too.

The country cover of TNTDODD...The point was to show how even that cover....lol.....became number 1!

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brown eyed girl

Bob Dylan - Live, Liverpool, 14 May, 1966
Posted By : blandyob | Date : 15 Jan 2007

I only have Ry Cooder's Bop Till You Drop recording. I really like the bouncy "Little Sister" and the positive "I Think It's Gonna Work Out Fine" and the defeatist "I Can't Win".

The 1999 version of The Weight with Nicholas (Happy Name Day on December 6!) Tremulis Orchestra was previously posted on Little Pink. It was great again to see Blondie Chaplin there too.

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Joan

Subject: Eleanor Rigby

Fact or fiction?

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JTull Fan

Am I the only one who loves Blonde On Blonde but always skips RDW and beging with Visions of Johanna instead? Blonde On Blonde is a favorite of mine when I am feeling introspective, and that opening song always clashes with that mood. I don't mean to give it a disservice as it is far from awful, and the ragtime band sound is something to be appreciated, but it should have been a 7" single, not an album track. Happy Thanksgiving to all my fellow Americans. Must not forget to dig out Alice's Restaurant tomorrow.

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Peter V

They're all good … if anyone's seeking out vinyl, "Into The Purple Valley" has one of the all-time great fold out sleeves. I thought Steve would especially enjoy "Taxes On The Farmer Feeds Us All", but "Teardrops Will Fall" is one of my iPod "most played" tracks.

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Charlie Y

JTF: I agree with your comments about "Rainy Day Women," that Bob Dylan--as a guy who had a rabbi come from New York to tutor him for his Bar Mitzvah (which 400 people attended)--was steeped in Biblical images from childhood. People were stoned to death for committing crimes in Biblical times, a very painful way to go. Hence, "they'll stone you when you're trying to be so good..." The song really sucks, though, nearly as badly as Chuck Berry's biggest hit, "My Dingaling."

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bob w.

Happy Thanksgiving all.

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David P.

JTull Fan: You've got the right idea -- Amazon's Black Friday sale includes The Band's "A Musical History" box set for $44.99 (50% off).

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Dunc

Subject: Sorry

Sorry that should be 12 hours.

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David P.

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JTull Fan

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Dunc

Subject: Anybody know about this?

I am reading a biography of Peter Cook just now. He tells of his attempt to make a record in Los Angeles, some time from July to August in 1975.

'So Keith(Moon)and I went along to where there were some demo discs, and picked out one called Rubber Ring. Quite a nice tune. Come the night, Clover Studios are booked, along comes a fleet of Cadillacs containing LA's best musicians - The Band, Ricky Nelson as a vocal adviser, Keith as a drummer and producer, about twenty musicians.'

'All we got done in three hours was a three chord backing track.'

So the Band backed Peter Cook?

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Brien Sz

Tull - I agree with you about Black friday - a terrible day to go out as well as a bad concept but hey - it's capitalism and you take the good with the bad.

But to continue on the Black Friday theme; my brother-in-law and his wife actually try to get out to stores this evening and find things that they like and then hang them or place them in different areas so that when they get there early in AM, they can go right to them, gather them up and pay for them without fighting over or looking for bargains. sick huh..,

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Kevin J

Just checked What's New and a version of The Weight is posted via YouTube from the First Waltz gang featuring Rick Danko - Chicago 1999.

Jtull: Agree completely on Rainy Day Women. Never liked it. Not a Sylvio type of dislike - just dislike. No Band "hits" I feel that way about, interestingly.

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JTull Fan

Perhaps my least favorite Bob Dylan 'hit', although I enjoy it every so often. To me it is clearly not about getting high. I see the everybody must get stoned' reference as more synonymous with 'you're damned if you do, damned if you don't'

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Kevin J

I was introduced to Bob Dylan in the early 70’s as I was learning to play guitar. The Greatest Hits Vol 1 was the album. The Cheech and Chong crowd at school used to always tell me “Rainy Day Women # 12 & 35” was about getting high. My older brother told me it was about religion. I just skipped it and went to Blowin’ in The Wind. A decade or so later, I realized that the first song I ever learnt to play was a Civil Rights song. I still don’t know what “Rainy Day Women” is about. Perhaps Divorce!

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JTull Fan

What a horrible invention of the modern world, this Black Friday is. Kohl's is advertising a sale that starts at 4 am. Do their poor workers even go to bed the night before? There is something seriously wrong if you need to be at Kohl's at 4:00 am. I don't care how good the prices are. I'm going to be in bed sleeping with my wife and cat and looking forward to my daughter waking up and being home to enjoy breakfast with her for a change, then putting up some holiday decorations, playing with her on the floor with her legos, and then meeting with the animal shelter that evening to go over our volunteer plans as I posted earlier. If I want to shop that's what Amazon is for, in bed, with a glass of wine and a warm tuxedo cat sleeping in my lap.

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David P.

Ry Cooder's 1980 album "Borderline" is another favorite of mine. I would also add that John Hiatt's 1987 album "Bring The Family", featuring Ry on lead guitar, Nick Lowe on bass and Jim Keltner on drums, is essential.

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Steve

Joan, on the job training is not a bad thing. We all do it. With the resurfacing of the same old gang, I think Tull may have been the only one here that voted for the man to bring real change. It's too early of course to tell but he seems to be headed down well worn paths.

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JQ

Steve -

I agree with Peter that any of his first albums, prior to Jazz in the late 70's, are good and pretty similar thematically: slide guitar, a depression-era tone & attitude and bluesy & country covers - he does a lot of covers. I mentioned Get Rhythm as a favorite track, also Dark End of the Street. At that time that song was getting covered by everybody; his is an instrumental take & it's lovely. Consider Ry Cooder or Boomer's Story from his early days.

What I would also do is dig in at a song listening/purchasing site. There's just so much stylistic variety, from the record Jazz up through his most recent trilogy, there for cherry-picking. A 1-record recommendation from '78 on is a rough choice to me.

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Joan

Empty, that was a beautiful paean to women.

That Lawrence Welk clip was truly awful

I think keeping Gates is a wise move. The one thing we don't need now is people who need on the job training. The economy is an all consuming problem

A Happy and safe holiday to all!

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Peter V

I tend to prefer albums with structural integrity though, so I'd say "Into The Purple Valley" then "Paradise & Lunch" for early stuff; Bop Till You Drop for middle, and the new one I, Flathead's great for new. But you can't go wrong with any of the early ones. You might like the political tone of Into the Purple Valley.

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Landmark

Subject: Greed is good!

I'll be at work while all our American posters will be off celebrating what I hope is, a very happy and healthy Thanksgiving. Besides the idea of watching the Lions/Titans or Cowboys/Seahawks is not luring me to have a "snow day". Play nice on Black Friday!

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Steve

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JQ

I'm a big fan too. And we were both born in Santa Monica! He's 3 years my senior though and our paths never actually crossed.

The first time I saw him was at McCabe's Guitar Shop in 1968 or '69. It was a Taj Mahal show (not The Rising Sons though) and the focus was on Taj Mahal but I clearly recall the guitar player, his slide playing (I'd never seen that before) and his unusual name. Then he opened a show for Rita Coolidge/Leon Russell and I was hooked. I recall that was also around the time that Ry's playing on Memo From Turner was getting some FM air-play & Ry had an acclaimed Rolling Stones connection; it was during the era that identifying all the players on an album had become important to us cognoscenti snobs. I don't think he had a record out then but they came soon enough and were always an exciting get.

His shows in the 80s were terrific, albeit rare. His band then included the singers Terry Evans & Bobby King and sometimes Flaco Jimenez. An LA show then opened with Get Rhythm (that song & version still never fails to cheer me up); the arrangement was similar to the album but it went on much longer and was a revelation to me in its soul, country & gospel sound, not to mention the hot licks. The show could have ended then and I'd have been satisfied. When Little Village came around I was truly stoked and the show I saw is in my top 2 of ever. Too bad the record & project was a bust ultimately - anybody know for sure what happened?. There are some good tracks on that record though, I like Do You Want My Job and the 2 where Nick Lowe takes the vocal. He and Nick Lowe did a charity show this summer in San Fran that drew good notices. So maybe, eh....

I'm not a great fan of his vocals though and wonder if he even likes his singing voice that much. He seems to cover that by employing other vocalists in his groups and albums too. On the newer stuff I think of him as more of a narrator than a singer per se. A bonus for me with his recent work is that I know a lot about his LA 50s/60's content & references from 1st-hand experience.

That's my lot.

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David P.

Ry Cooder covered Burt Bacharach & Bob Hillard's "Mexican Divorce" (originally recorded by the Drifters) on his great 1974 album "Paradise and Lunch". That record also included "Married Man's A Fool", "Tattler" and "If Walls Could Talk", which also addressed the subject of relationships and "Ditty Wah Ditty".

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JTull Fan

I find it interesting that Obama, who ran against the Iraq war, has chosen to keep on Defense Secretary Bill Gates, the man running it for President Bush. I am neither supporting that nor condemning it, and from what I have read it might be the best thing for him to do while he focuses on the economy. Still noteworthy though. Presidents often run on one platform only to find that thier presidency is ruled by a completely unforeseen set of circumstances. One of the rationals for Bush in 2000 was that he may not be very experienced, but the world is at peace and the economy is good, so he won't be a bad caretaker president. Not.

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brown eyed girl

1971's number one country song....TNTDDD

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brown eyed girl

Jeff Healey's Blues Band at Corktown Pub, Hamilton, Nov 2007 performing The Weight.

Another Canadian musician who also passed too soon last night was Platinum Blonde Scots-Canadian Kenny MacLean, dead at 52. I was at a party and he was invited as well a long time ago....maybe the eighties and I still have the photograph he took of my friends and myself all lined up in a congo line.....from what I remember he was a really sweet person.

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brown eyed girl

Jeff Healey The Weight Memorial

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Steve

But if you're interested, it's there in the UN Security Council's minutes as well as Canadian general Romeo Dallaire's book,Shake Hands With The Devil. Dallaire was in command of the UN force in Rwanda.

Kevin, I guess we'd have to agree on what kind of songs J2Rs was talking about in that piece you posted.

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dlew919

If I don't answer - it's not because I don't like or am not interested in what you say - it's merely I have nothing worthwhile to add... but keep them coming...

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Empty Now

Subject: bootlegs

Steve : no, since I am tuned on The Band GB only, my favorite media

The following definition is from a CIC document :
“The designation of Arab is unclear because it can refer to a geographic region, an ethnic group or a language group. The Arab classification may include people of miscellaneous countries or religions who are not included elsewhere, and only when themselves claim to be Arab”.

This lead me back in the days to Lord Chamberlain famous quote, “I created The Arab World ! ”, meaning an official clutter of countries under the good auspices of the Crown, led by gov’ts moldable liable and corruptible as one pleases, with the mission to destroy the Ottoman empire
There are a very few moments in my life, when I caught some of the Arab grandeur , if it does exist. When the grandeur of an Arab exist, It is simply splendid, and I must add grandeur of a female. Because this greatness I caught it only once, a passage in Cecil B. De Mille movie, I was even not aware I am Arab, this scene is unbelievably soft. The dialog writing credits are shared by J.H. Ingraham, A.E. Southon, Dorothy Clarke Wilson, Æneas MacKenzie, Jesse Lasky Jr., Jack Gariss, Fredric M. Frank – one of those people must have been overgifted. Judge by your own

Sephora - Which of my sisters did you choose?
Moses - I made no choice, Sephora
Sephora - She was very beautiful, wasn't she?
This woman of Egypt, who left her scar upon your heart
Her skin was white as curd
Her eyes green as the cedars of Lebanon
[thunder of applause from a turbulent group of spectators in the movie theater]
Her lips, tamarisk honey
Like the breast of a dove, her arms were soft
And the wine of desire was in her veins
Moses - Yes
Sephora - She was beautiful
Moses - as a jewel
Sephora - A jewel has brilliant fire, but it gives no warmth
Our hands are not so soft, but they can serve
Our bodies not so white, but they are strong
Our lips are not perfumed, but they speak the truth
Love is not an art to us. It's life to us
We are not dressed in gold and fine linen
Strength and honor are our clothing
Our tents are not the columned halls of Egypt
but our children play happily before them.
We can offer you little but we offer all we have.

50years later, always the same effect on my feeble imaginary , i think i'will go out right now and kiss the first mukere in hijab i'll meet. Where else can you find that race of woman ?
in a movie. Anyway, I think I will adopt it for the lyrics of a new Rai song

Roz : What’s your favorite scene in “Ten Commandments” ? “scene of the sea crossing” answer is not accepted

Band Connection : Alembic is a manufacturer of high-end electric basses, guitars and preamps, founded in 1969 by Susan and Ron Wickersham, later joined by Rick Turner, and never forget it Band fans, Whisky is the creation of Geber, no pride to share in reality

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Peter V

There have been bootlegs recorded from mobile phones in the front row, many alleged "soundboard" come from induction loops for the deaf to seats (because they're coming from the soundboard … but through tinny little hearing aid boosters). Yes, quality is often shite. Bootleg DVDs are fast replacing CDs, so you can get an appalling picture as well as bad sound. The best way to beat the current bootleggers is the Pearl Jam / Asia route of making a ton of concert recordings available at a low price. It is possible now to have the concert recording available an hour after the show … but you need a venue that stays open. The MerleFest download was a great idea from Levon.

I think there'll always be a market for that Great White wonder style "lost" recordings … as the few Beatles and Stones examples go on forever being re-bootlegged.In some ways, Led Zeppelin can be cavalier about the hundreds of boots because they're making a lot of money anyway. For the David Lindley's (who don't sell a lot of records) it must be especially galling to see the money go down the drain. I guess he'd be well aware that 95% of buyers of Eel River 1990 did so with the intent of ripping off Ry Cooder rather than David Lindley, but even so I always feel a tinge of guilt. The internet has actually replaced bootlegs. I go to Record Fairs regularly and you see very few boots in comparison to the past … the Dylan radio shows are around, there's always Beatles and recent Dylan concerts, but you don't see The Band or Little Feat or Ry Cooder anymore. You never see Van Morrison now. Heavy tactics have worked very well on Record fairs.

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dlew919

It's hard not to sympathise with artists who see issues (quality control being a major one) with bootlegging. I also sympathise with fans wanting to hear things. I think I've mentioned this before, but Paul Kelly will allow you to tape his shows, provided you don't sell them for profit (you can sell them, but only to cover costs) and you must send him a copy ...

Lindley's idea that you send him $5 is not bad either...

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westcoaster

Subject: Spillin' The Beans

Gawd Damn Lars.......now I'm worried. Susan just read your plans. She figures you're gonna end up in Guantanamo Bay.

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Charlie Y

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Lars

Subject: cooking the books after hours

Norm- No problem. We've got to stimulate the economy by giving our biggest banks more money than it would take to feed all the Emerging Nations for 50 years. The banks, in turn, use the money to give bonuses to all of their officers, except the CEOs (who get stock options instead). We've got money for homebuilders to build more houses at an embarassing profit, even though we already have too many houses. We're paying farmers not to grow crops and we bribe nations all over the globe. The nations whose people want to destroy America get a smaller allowance. We're sending unwanted coal to Newcastle and a large shipment of tea to China. We just donated 100 million barrels of oil to Saudi Arabia, who plan on selling it to China. Today I was told that we cornered the Egtptian cotton market and we're looking forward to storing a plethora of cotton next to our rotten grain piles in the Midwest.

You're our first tug boat captain receipient. We can raid the HEW's education fund and send you $50 B. tomorrow. But there's a catch. Catch 44 (twice as bad as the old one). You can't save any of it. If we find out you're rat-holing any of it then we will have to take it back. Also, if you have any bad (toxic) debt, we'll pay twice what it's worth because we need to eliminate all bad debt. In nine ot ten years we believe we will have laid the groundwork to pay off our National Debt and balance the budget and STILL invade two or three small countries, destroy them, and re-build them.

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Plochmann Lane

Have a great Thanksgiving holiday Band fans!

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Friend0

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Steve

Kevin, to paraphrase Deb" because you believe donkeys can fly, doesn't make it so." It could be about 1,000 different situations but it ain't.

It's a song inspired by his divorce, a divorce song. Are you saying there's a certain mold all divorce songs must fit. If it doesn't fit the mold it ain't a

D I V O R C E song. Was Tammy's a D I V O R C E song? It's quite different from Idiot Wind as well.

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brown eyed girl

We'll Never Turn Back...Mavis Staples produced by Ry Cooder with Jim Keltner, Original Freedom Singers, Ladysmith Black Mambazo

Mavis Staples "99 & 1/2"

"It's been 50 years and so little has changed. Police brutality at the 2007 May Day march in Los Angeles. ..."

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Peter M.

Subject: Ry & bootlegs

On a couple of his self-released live CDs in the last 15 years, David Lindley has expressed his feelings about bootleggers stealing the fruits of his efforts. On his CD "Twango Bango III", he has a song about the Tokyo Bootlegger Man. He has even half threateningly said that if you buy his bootlegged music, he will come to you in your dreams, in the form of "Badgerman", a Paulie Walnuts (Sopranos) type character to make you feel bad about stealing his music. Your conscience can be assuaged, however, by sending $5 to him to make up for lost profits. He also complains that when someone "stealth" tapes his shows, he may not be "on", that night to the point where he'd proudly release that material himself. This takes all sorts of things from the artist, editorial control, production values, not to mention money. On another....

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brown eyed girl

I absolutely adore Annie Lennox. Here's more of her...after her brilliant and moving performance.

Music icon Annie Lennox talks backstage (with intelligence and insight) at the 2008 American Music Awards in Los Angeles, CA.

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Landmark

Thanks for posting that very interesting article on Dylan. Informative and enjoyable.

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brown eyed girl

For those of you who missed Annie Lennox (53) on the American Music Awards this week....Aren't all of you lucky that we have youtube!!! Annie on piano singing "Why". She was awarded the Award of Merit award. Was there no one else available but Justin Timberlake to introduce her? I've posted her lyrics before on Little Pink. I can still see her with the Eurthymics at Canada's Wonderland. Even if she took off her top she always carried herself with dignity.

J Tull Fan: I understand very well. I'm really sorry for your loss. One good thing that came from my brother's divorce was that he was able to keep his beloved cat. It was his former wife who brought the kitten into their lives. We never grew up with pets....After they divorced...my brother's cat could keep our families connected. He was the first pet we had. When he passed away I had to take a couple of days off work...that's how much this cat who I would call my nephew cat had affected me....Last year I gave my brother a special book which honoured him with photographs of the many hats and accessories I had adorned him with. Four years later my brother now has two other cats.....they're his family now.

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Steve

Empty have you tuned in yet to the arrest of Rose Kaybuye by the French Gov't?

While the French have yet to set a date for Ms Kaybuye's trial, I'm betting that they've bitten off more than they can chew and she'll leave a bitter taste in the mouth of many French, British and American politicians from the mid 90's before it's over.

Hopefully Mr. Obama hasn't tied himself too closely to some of the soon to be publicly disgraced Dems from The Sexaphone President's time, the administration that helped prolong the genocide..

Obama Bound, was a lame attempt to keep alive the 70th birthday party spirit of Gord, a guy who whenever I devote some time to his music quickly becomes my favorite singer songwriter. I've been wandering through Gord's music ever since his birthday.

I don't think we should hold it against Gord that he did write some of those me, me, me songs, actually many of his best ones are of the me, me, me variety. He sure put his life and feelings out there for all to see. Maybe favorite poet, singer songwriter would be more accurate.

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westcoaster

Subject: The Loot

Lars........HEY LARS! Get outta that gawd damn tree. I see this morning youse guys just shook another 800 billion loose to spread around. 600 B from the federal reserve, and 200 B fron the Noo Yawk reserve.

Jeez man, I never knew you had that kinda cash laying around. How about floating me a little loan. A million or 2 wouldn't be missed would it?????

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Empty Now

Subject: more etymology

Now that nobody seems interested with my exciting digital Tigris discovery, via palm dates, evidences are asserted that the declaration of Chancellor of McGill University, reported by Steve here below, is not a joke, meanwhile i am a bit confused on how did the Greek name their fingers before eating dates ? the mystery will remain complete…
It’s of common knowledge that the most ancient human civilization started on the banks of River Tigris, all along with dates, this is at least what the official history reports, personally i have the strange belief that human civilization under its most visible current aspect started on the banks of River Tweed, all along with whisky, from uisge beatha, Gaelic for “water of life”, don’t hurry to reply, I say it’s just what I believe, maybe it’s not true. According to Dick Pound logic, the Iraqi gov't deserves to host the 2016 Olympics and has nothing to learn about civilized behaviour, for sure nowhere on Earth you’ll find more suitable than Idigina River for rowing events.
For the Band Connection, Iraq ensured 80% of dates world production in 1979 dates, this part fell to less than 7% today, USA is currently world leader with 19%, [Bush invasion of Iraq was over the years classed official Band-Connection subject] i will follow this strategic meaning
Civilizations come and go, dates and whisky remain

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David P.

In addition to his soundtrack work for directors such as Walter Hill and Wim Wenders, Ry Cooder reached a point in his career where he could pick & choose his session work. In 1983 he did appear on Eric Clapton's "Money and Cigarettes" and T Bone Burnett's "Proof Through The Night". He also played on the fine "Trio" album from Emmmylou Harris, Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt in 1987. In the early '90s he did work with John Hiatt & Nick Lowe in Little Village, two albums with Roebuck "Pops" Staples and several albums with Terry Evans, who had sung with Ry in the studio & on the road in the past.

Earlier, in 1979, he appeared on Van Morrison's "Into The Music" and performed at the No Nukes all-star concert, with a band that included his friends David Lindley, Jim Keltner and Tim "Sip The Wine" Drummond. To bring things around full circle, that concert also included a performance of "Mockingbird" by James Taylor and Carly Simon.

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Peter V

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joe j

Should've mentioned said link is to a Duluth paper c1963 with quotes from the senior Zimmerman.

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Charlie Y

Still touring at age 82, Chuck Berry is slated as the New Year's Eve entertainment at B.B. King's club on 42nd street in NYC. I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up at one of the Obama inaugural balls as well. The ageless architect of rock'n'roll also toured Europe this year.

Robbie and Ry could learn a bit from Mr. Berry about survival on the road--and make their fans happy at the same time.

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David P.

During the '80s Ry Cooder was way too busy establishing another career as a film composer. His projects during that decade included:

The Long Riders (1980)
The Border (1981)
Southern Comfort (1981)
Streets of Fire (1984)
Alamo Bay (1985)
Paris, Texas (1985)
Brewster's Millions (1985)
Blue City (1986)
Crossroads (1986)
Pecos Bill (1988)
Johnny Handsome (1989)

As I recall, Mr. Cooder has also expressed reservations regarding touring and being a member of a rock music group.

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dlew919

Great suggestion, Peter - Ry's one of my all-time favourite interpreters of American music - thanks Joan for those terrrific songs and story - might have to pick it up... (had a great collection whch started with 'How can a poor man... gone, now...)

Course, I was going to suggest Eddie Van Halen, but I think he wasn't available ... ;-)

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Bill M

David P: Likely the souls of recently departed felines. Bad timing though, with winter and all ...

Circumstances the other day dictated that I listen to CDs in the car at very low volume. Turned out to be a surprisingly comforting mixture of an Altman movie and teenage attempts to pull in distance shortwave radio stations. Usually a bit of melody, clear snatches of lyrics and the occasional burst of bombast - a cymbal, an over-leslied mandolin .... When Big Brown was played yesterday evening. very much in the background, it amazed me how very similar the sound and feel that accompany the words "night they drove ol'" are to the sound / feel of "life is a carnival" (or 'carnivore', as Rick sings - with justification).

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joe j

Subject: Bobby is a corporation

See link on how to impress your old man.

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Peter V

In our many discussions over the years on who could have replaced Robbie in 1983, Ry Cooder was a star candidate. As a guitarist he's unbeatable. There's always someone as good, but you won't find anyone "better". As a composer he's excellent (though more has emerged in recent years in terms of original vocal stuff). I was just thinking about that, and Ry's deep archival knowledge and interest might have got them doing something more like "Dirt Farmer" years earlier.

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JTull Fan

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Jan F.

Subject: Cats

Just dropping by to catch up and noticed the posts about JTF's cat . . . so sorry to hear. My last kitty departed a couple of years ago and Mr. Steve won't let me get another one. Our dog is getting on in years and he is afraid a new cat would upset her (since our last cat -- we've had several also -- was the boss in the house).

We were in the ATL this past weekend and now are visiting in wonderful Manchester, GA. Will head further South (to Alabama) on Wed.

Happy Turkey Day to all who celebrate!

J.F.

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Joan

Subject: Ry Cooder

I meant to post this yesterday.

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Joan

Subject: Inaugural entertainment

Beyonce, JayZ and Leona Lewis.

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Joan

This talk of losing cats reminded me of a wonderful piece by Kinky Friedman. He wrote it as a last remembrance of his cat Cuddles.

On January 4, 1993, the cat in this book and the books that preceded it was put to sleep in Kerrville, Texas, by Dr. W. H. Hoegemeyer and myself. Cuddles was fourteen years old, a respectable age. She was as close to me as any human being I have ever known. Cuddles and I spent many years together, both in New York, where I first found her as a little kitten on the streets in Chinatown, and later on the ranch in Texas. She was always with me, on the table, on the bed, by the fireplace, beside the typewriter, on top of my suitcase when I returned from a trip. I dug Cuddles’ grave with a silver spade, in the little garden by the stream behind the old green trailer where both of us lived in summertime. Her burial shroud was my old New York sweatshirt and in the grave with her is a can of tuna and a cigar. A few days ago I received a sympathy note from Bill Hoegemeyer, the veterinarian. It opened with a verse by Irving Townsend: “We who choose to surround ourselves with lives even more temporary than our own live within a fragile circle…” Now , as I write this, on a gray winter day by the fireside, I can almost feel her light tread, moving from my head and heart down through my fingertips to the keys of the typewriter. People may surprise you with unexpected kindness. Dogs have a depth of loyalty that often we seem unworthy of. But the love of a cat is a blessing, a privilege in this world. They say when you die and go to heaven all the dogs and cats you’ve ever had in your life come running to meet you. Until that day, rest in peace, Cuddles. Kinky Friedman Medina, Texas February 5, 1993

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Friend0

Thanks to Bob Merlis... THE MAKING OF ELECTRIC LADYLAND SET FOR RELEASE IN CELEBRATION OF 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF ORIGINAL RELEASE OF JIMI HENDRIX EXPERIENCE SET Experience Hendrix LLC announces the release of At Last… The Beginning: The Making of Electric Ladyland DVD and companion Electric Ladyland Collector’s Edition CD + DVD. The packages will be released on December 9th through Universal Music Enterprises coming forty years after the initial release of Electric Ladyland, the third and final album by the Jimi Hendrix Experience. It was the last Hendrix studio album to have been produced during the guitar icon’s lifetime and reflects his meticulous involvement in every facet of its creation. Electric Ladyland is the source of such legendary Hendrix tracks as “All Along The Watchtower,” “Crosstown Traffic,” “Burning of the Midnight Lamp” and is commonly acknowledged by Hendrix cognoscenti as the most fully realized, cohesive project of his entire career. It was the only Hendrix album to have hit #1 on the Billboard charts. It is, indisputably, the crowning achievement of The Jimi Hendrix Experience and underscored Hendrix's abilities as singer, songwriter, guitarist, and producer. At Last… The Beginning: The Making of Electric Ladyland documents the creation of the album that was released in the fall of 1968 as a 2 LP set. Some of Jimi’s closest associates are seen on screen discussing their recollections of Hendrix and the project including JHE bassist Noel Redding, drummer Mitch Mitchell, manager Chas Chandler who discovered Hendrix after he left the Animals; drummer Buddy Miles who appeared on the album and later went on to work with Hendrix in The Band of Gypsys, Jefferson Airplane’s Jack Casady, Steve Winwood and Dave Mason from Traffic and others who participated in the Electric Ladylandsessions that took place at Olympic studios in London and The Record Plant in New York. One of the highlights of the program includes a session with original Electric Ladyland engineer Eddie Kramer who discusses the techniques Hendrix, Mitchell and Redding employed in recording Electric Ladyland and playing some of the original multitrack tapes to illustrate the process. Originally produced in 1997 as the premiere episode of the acclaimed Classic Albums television series, The Making of Electric Ladyland is newly edited with expanded features and almost 40 minutes of additional content not seen in the original feature. While the DVD is offered as a stand-alone title, a Deluxe CD + DVD Collector’s Edition that includes The Making of… DVD along with the classic Electric Ladyland CD offers consumers both the expository look at theElectric Ladyland as well as the actual album which ranks as one of the most significant projects in the Hendrix canon. All Music Guide, Blender and Rolling Stone have all awarded Electric Ladyland five (out of five) stars as it has been firmly ensconced in the pantheon of rock’s greatest achievements for 40 years. DVD Tracklisting Prologue Burning of the Midnight Lamp …And The Gods Made Love All Along The Watchtower Rainy Day, Dream Away Still Raining, Still Dreaming Voodoo Chile Crosstown Traffic Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) Little Miss Strange Gypsy Eyes South Saturn Delta House Burning Down 1983… (A Merman I Should Turn To Be) Long Hot Summer Night Have You Ever Been (To Electric Ladyland) Epilogue CD Tracklisting …And The Gods Made Love Have You Ever Been (To Electric Ladyland) Crosstown Traffic Voodoo Chile Little Miss Strange Long Hot Summer Night Come On (Let The Good Times Roll) Gypsy Eyes Burning of the Midnight Lamp Rainy Day, Dream Away 1983… (A Merman I Should Turn To Be) Moon, Turn The Tides…Gently Gently Away Still Raining, Still Dreaming House Burning Down All Along The Watchtower Voodoo Child (Slight Return) ***************************************************************** Thanks to Courtney Reimer for these news stories...

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kristie

Didn't Freddy Mercury have like 100 cats before he died?

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dlew919

Jtull: add my thoughts to everyone else's...

Raymond Chandler wrote very fondly of cats: in one of his letters, he essentially said that he couldn't like anyone who didn't like cats...

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JQ

I was taken in by a stray cat too; she was as much fun as a puppy her whole life. She was my first cat as an adult and my memories of her (she died in 1989) are steadfast, they never have diminished. And since her, LB (for lean body mass), we've had a bunch and they've all been & are still great, each one unique.

All lot of guys I know hate cats. My theory is that guys that hate cats also hate women, and I ain't been wrong about that yet. I'm less correct that far-right Republicans & accounting types (guys only) usually hate cats too, but I'm not altogether wrong on that one either mind you.

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Joan

A great memorial to your dear cat. I believe that for everything you lose, you get a good thing back in exchange. It may not be obvious right away,but it is there.

The day I met Richard, I was invited to a private sitar recital. Foolishly I left my purse with my coat in another room. This was an elegant brownstone on the Upper East Side. After the recital finished, I met Richard for the first time. He asked to walk me home. When I went to get my coat, I discovered all my money had been taken. I was of course upset There was a very mysterious woman in the room. She was tall,very thin,dressed in black with a black eyepatch. She told me that for every loss, there is something given in return. That would be Richard. I often tease him that he cost $50, the amount I had taken.

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Peter V

I got to like it more later. I mentioned this before, but when I started teaching English we had about ten “approved songs” to play in the Language Laboratory to students as headphones then were a novelty and everyone looked forward to the closing song. My favourites were all Paul Simon, but I recall at least two Nana Mouskouri being in there. Anyway, one was the BST version of Lonesome Suzie (talking of David Clayton-Thomas) and I smuggled the Band version in to play instead, but Swiss students in the early 70s liked the BST one better. I got used to it.

Dlew … I’m not sure if Paradise By The Dashboard Light … fine a song as it is … would be ideal at a wedding, but it would be a damn good prompt for the traditionally bawdy recollections of the bridegroom’s past by The Best Man.

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JTull Fan

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dlew919

Rockin' Chair... not really for a wedding though (but if proposition 8 had passed...): or at least it's a song in which the relationship is not somehow negative.

Paradise by the Dashboard light - YES!

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abby

Subject: those cats

My kids had so many animals when they were young. Mice, snakes, rats, gerbils - you name it, we had 'em. But most important were our 5 cats. Well, we had to put the final one, Leo with the 9 lives - the baby of the 5, down just about a month ago. I cried when they took him away, but I also felt happy that Leo got to live a good, long, life with people who loved him and treated him like a king. We now have another 'pound' cat, Dot - we've had her for about 1 1/2 years now. Just last night I made the comment to my husband that Dot, - just would never be an equal to Ms. Katie - our first female cat we got when the kids were little. Poor Dot - she can't help it. But those cats you have when your kids are growing up become such a part of the family. They can't be replaced. In fact Ms. Katie's ashes sit out in our garden in a little kitty statue that has a slot underneath where you're supposed to hide your keys. We hide Ms. Katie in there instead. I know where you're coming from, JT. It's not supposed to be easy.

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Deb

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David P.

Was that really a meteor that hit the other night, or have aliens landed in Canada?

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Steve

Juliet "OH,Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?"

ROMEO "GOT MY MOTOR RUNNING ! LITTLE GIRL ARE YOU COMIN, KEEP YOUR CANDLE BURIN BRIGHT!!!!

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Steve

I meant that casual fans don't really know or care who wrote the songs but tend to associate them with the singer. Good to know you're on your toes and keeping an eye on my shenanigans.

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Deb

Steve, if most casual Band fans think donkeys can fly, does that make it the case? (I just didn't want you to think I wasn't paying attention. I know you're a lost cause on that subject -- as am I.)

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JTull Fan

Brien, BFB was a great choice and I considered it as well, but opted not to because of the line about his parents being buried by a tree that they loved. As my parents were alive and kicking and would be present, I felt it would stand out as an awkard line for my situation. Now Meatloaf's Paradise by the Dashboard Light would be a hilarious wedding song. JOAN: you are right. I am actually feeling good at least for a moment for the first time since yesterday morning as my wife and I now have a meeting with Richmond Animal League for Friday to start our volunteer work. They also need help with presentations and Powerpoints which I can offer, so I feel we are starting to turn this bad experience into something that will become positive.

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Bill M

Peter V: I'm late on the uptake here, but are you suggesting that Eleanor and Father MacKenzie got together in the end? If so, that's nice. Presumably Father Mac was CofS if it was to be marriage.

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jh

kristie,

We caught the Felice Brothers at the Halloween Ramble last year. A bit ragged, but definitely worth checking out.

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kristie

The felice brothers are one of my favorite bands right now. Was anybody at the Midnight Ramble they played at?

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kristie

I have to tell you that I honestly could not listen to the whole song. I did not enjoy it. But he obviously was singing about how he was feeling horrible already due to a problem in his relationship when he read about Richard Manuel on the front page of the paper and it just compounded his misery? But was it front page news? I think it deserved to be...but does anyone remember reading about it on the front page?

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Bill M

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Kevin J

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David P.

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Peter M.

When my wife & I married in 1984 after being together 8 years, we left the church and got in our "limo" a Honda Civic, driven by a friend. Cued up on the stereo was "It Makes No Difference". Not exactly a wedding song, but a favorite of ours nonetheless. We had recorded music at the reception, ranging from Merle Haggard to Norman Blake, Willie Nelson, Pete Townshend, King Sunny Ade, Tony Bennett, Frank Sinatra, Jerry Jeff Walker and The Band. There were probably half a dozen Band songs there. To please those that like well known oldies at a wedding, we had a few tunes from Moondog Matinee. No exactly the versions that our relatives expected, but.. We also had "Don't Do It" and "Ophelia". Of the hour and a half of music we played, there were more Band Songs than any other ones. My father was pleasantly surprised when Glen Miller's "In the Mood" was followed by "I Don't Want to Hang Up My Rock & Roll Shoes.

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Bill M

Kevin J: Thanks for the bit from the interview with Robbie. He's right, nothing raises dust like stampeding cattle. Except in winter.

More seriously, I certainly accept that there's a bit of Robbie in most/all of his songs. That's why kicking around ideas here at the GB is worthwhile. Even TNTDODD has a bit of Robbie - even if it's not a character, just the awareness that is reflected in the ambiguity las and nas in what the people were singing.

Or look at "Smoke Signal". There's elements of Robbie's lineage, of his love for his wife, of the place of the First Nations, of the need for racial harmony (see also "We Can Talk") and the problem of gossip (see "The Rumour" and also Rick's co-write, "Small Town Talk").

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Joan

I'm really sorry about your cat. We lost a wonderful English Budgie who had about a 100 word vocabulary. We lost him some years ago, but like Mr Bojangles, "after 20 years he still grieves" We still miss him though it was so long ago. You are right to wait a while to replace him. No other cat will be him, but the new cat will form his bond in a new way. If you replace him right away often it puts too many expectations to be the "old cat"

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Steve

J2Rs shouldn't have worried about it anyway, most people listening to the songs would be more likely to think it was Richard, Rick or Levon singing about themselves. Most casual Band fans that I've spoken to think Levon, Rick and Richard wrote the songs they sing.

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Landmark

Us, it was "God Only Knows" and I do recall dancing to Van's version of "Have I Told You Lately....". The missus picked them and I don't think if we did it all over that I'd change them.

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Brien Sz

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Kevin J

Robbie Robertson on Love Songs - as told to Musician Magazine in 1987:

"And I was embarrassed by the self-indulgence of 'me me me.' 'Here's a little song about me.' If I started out a song that way it'd make me puke all over the piano." He is quiet for a minute. Then he says, "Everything you write is personal, y'know? You maybe try to disguise or hide what's real personal about it. What is 'Out Of The Blue' if it's not personal? Or 'It Makes No Difference'?"

Yet "It Makes No Difference, " from Northern Lights, is the perfect example of a Robbie Robertson love song. It's downright stoic in its stiff-upper-lipness: "There is no love as true as the love that dies untold." There's a truly strange distancing device in the bridge. Here is this heart-breaking song about soldiering on in the face of unbearable loneliness and suddenly the singer goes, "Stampeding cattle, they rattle the walls." Now what is that if not a way for Robertson to distance himself - a way to say, "This is getting too close to the bone, I better stick in a distraction so people will think it's a song about some other guy, some old cowboy." Where the hell did the cattle stampede come from, Robbie?

"When I was writing that song," he says and interrupts himself: "It's nonsense that you think of these things but nevertheless you go through them - I'm writing and I'm thinking, 'Is this maybe getting a little too legitimate?' So I got to the bridge and I thought, 'Here's where I'll shuffle the deck a little bit.' I do remember at that point thinking, 'Here's where I get to make this song not just traditional, here's where I get to stir up some dust."'

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David P.

Ophelia
All La Glory
It Makes No Difference
Sleeping
Katie's Been Gone
Orange Juice Blues (Blues For Breakfast)
Right As Rain

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Kevin J

Reason number 127 of Why I Love The Band: No Wedding Songs!

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Peter V

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David P.

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Peter V

I don't know about its suitability for a wedding, David! I mean at the end they're getting together because "What else can we do?" It sounds like a people sadly facing the last resort of a relationship. Not much joy in there. (And it's thematic debt to Eleanor Rigby is so strong).

Whispering Pines is one of my all time favourites, and it is poignant, but it'd be a particularly miserable wedding, I feel. They're not strong on the "Roses Are red" bit at all, are they?

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David P.

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Bill M

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Steve

I buried my semi-wild cat a couple of weeks ago. No idea how old he was, he showed up as an adult about 8 or 9 years ago . It took about 4 or 5 years before I could get close enough to pet him and another year or two before I could pick him up.

He left every spring and reverted to his life on the wild side, returning in October to live in the barn and eat cat food. He just keeled over and died a couple of weeks ago. He's buried in my pet cemetery along with 4 dogs two other cats and a deer. As long as the cat had food, he had what he needed to survive.

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JTull Fan

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Friend0

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S.M.

Having experienced the loss of a cherished cat, I know all too well what you and your family are feeling.

I cried this morning for you, your family, your cat, my cat and myself.

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Friend0

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Empty Now

Subject: dig it

Bill M: according to the Oxford Etymological Dictionary, Savage comes from Silvaticus = forest
To the rest of the GBres don’t confuse people living in the wilderness with wild people living

Here’s a most curious case of name root I found it about the word “Digit” linked to “Dates” the fruit – see the chain, let’s call it cyclic etymology:

River Tigris in Iraq, original Sumerian name Idigna or Idigina, from id gina "running water", which can be interpreted as "the swift river", This form was borrowed and gave rise to Akkadian Idiqlat. the word was adopted into Greek as Tigris which is also Greek for "tiger". then daktylos "dates" the fruit, latin dactylus "finger, toe," because of fancied resemblance between oblong fruit of the date palm and human digits. In the Hebrew Bible, the river was called Ḥiddẹqel, "date palm"Hebrew deqel, Aramian diqla, Arabic daqal

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kristie

Subject: huh?

I am by no means a counting crows fan...but I like that somebody wrote a song about Richard Manuel. Even if it pretty much sucks. This may have been posted before but I am really behind the times these days(still on mountain time).

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JTull Fan

Brien, thanks for sharing the story of how Rick came to play at your wedding. I have always been curious about that but never got around to asking. BASHFULL BILL: I appreciate your post as we were both going through our breakups at the same time. My family has had a terrible day today, as we suffered the untimely loss of a beloved pet. We were forced to put one of our two cats outside several months ago and he was really thriving. I had him for eight years, and he was just unhappy with our other cat, whom came first, and the new baby. He was too old for animal shelters which are locally full, and my ex-wife would not take him. So we tried the outdoors, and he was really happy. He came in on cold nights, but the last several nights he refused, so I felt ok leaving him out. While getting the sunday paper this morning, I waved to a neighbor, and as I looked up saw him in the road. So I wrapped him in a baby blanket with his favorite toys. So tonight it is a bottle of wine and a couple sleeping pills. I don't care what the label says. I don't want to be up thinking about it anymore.

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DEE

Subject: While Westcoaster Fumes

I highly recommend obtaining Lorne Jones and the Tugs CD, TUGMAN. Go to www.lornejones.com to order.

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Friend0

Thanks for clarifying what for some may have been coming confusing, and telling the story of how Rick enhanced your wedding. Rick was a kind, sensitive, and classy person , knew how to make people feel good. This is a much better sory than the Stone Pony guy story.

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JQ

Thanks loads for that lovely post. It tells a ton I believe.

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Steve

The work on the connection between numerous brain traumas and the early death of NFL players is just in its infancy.

Marge watched the program , I just saw the last 15 or 20 minutes, so I'm relying on her for the facts and she's not a football fan.

The medical study is being done at the University of Southern Cal by a guy who had been an NFL trainer who later became a doctor and now a medical researcher.

What caught his attention was the number of players he knew personally who had alcohol, drug and homelessness problems after leaving football.

He also knew former players who had a penchant for putting a gun to their head and blowing their brains out.

Marge said that it also seemed clear that the attitude in the NFL was still the old, suck it up and get out on the field and play, if you can.

This study follows closely on the heals of a study of homeless people in Canadian cities released this summer which showed that 60% of the homeless in Canada had suffered brain trauma, usually as the result of car accidents when they were younger. Trauma to the frontal lobe appears to make it hard to consistently make rational decisions. Holding a job and managing your life day to day becomes almost impossible.

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Joan

How very wonderful and special. It makes your wedding memories a whole nother thing. Thanks for sharing them.

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Brien Sz

Imentioned earlier that It Makes No Difference was next, it wasn't, it was Sip the Wine, Aaron and Rick played that. Then with It Makes No Difference, they had part of the wedding Band join in and play and they filled it out marvelously. I saw Aaron directing chord changes. The band seemed familiar with the music and like I said, they did great. Quickly we felt an almost Last Waltzish aura to thing where players kept filling in more and eventually a guitar solo, and sax solos were happening and the girl singer was doing wonderful harmonies.

When they launched into The Weight, the place erupted. Rick, Aaron and the band were in a great groove and The Weight became this 6, 7 minute jam that had everyone on the floor singing and dancing. When it was over, the smiles in the place were unforgettable. Rick seemed to be very caught up in it as he was very happy and grinning ear to ear.

Afterwards, we chatted with him for a good fifteen twenty minutes. other people came up to him and shook his hand, posed for pics and made happy chat. He stuck around for about another half hour and then quietly left.

After we came back from our honeymoon, we chatted with him once and thanked him. We then saw him two more times at shows and talked to him for a while (one of the times for a fairly long talk). He playfully admonished us for not calling him and telling him that we were coming to his show as he said he would have had us right up front and in at free of charge. We thanked him for that offer but we preffered to pay our way and just enjoy the casual connection we were forming. After that, we traded missed calles once and then.., he was gone.

Some of the details of this explanation may be off a little and I may be missing some points as well. I'm running this off the top of my head and it has been quite some time since I've acutally gone over those memories.., All I can say is wow.., Like I said, I considered it a friendly acquaitance. I think "friendship" was a ways away, but I also think it was something that could have formed..., but now we'll never know but I am eternally grateful for the opportunity of having crossed paths no matter how briefly.

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brown eyed girl

Bashful Bill...I really dig the way you can just lay it on the line here in cyberspace. It may appear as vulnerability but it's really a strength you have....no one can ever take that away from you. imagezulu knows better than anyone how difficult I can be but he says it's because I have a big heart that he's drawn to me. We're opposites....He's very reserved and serious and intense. I can also be like that but I'm more playful....but just as intense...We also give each other a lot of space. Right now he's at a free community swim at my former University Uof T's Athletic Centre. I just made us some home made spicy chicken noodle soup with spinach and the noodles my late Ma would have used in the soup....they're from the old country. He does most of the cooking but I'm giving him a break today. I'll be out myself just as soon as I get off this computer and stop writing holiday cards.

Thanks to Critter who sent this link to me!!!!!! Please check it out everybody. I know you will feeeeeel the vibe as well.

Yes Mike from Plochmann Lane!!!! If we add Dylan to the mix....."Nobody 'Cept You" If we add Steve Forbert.....I forgot this song would also make my special companion list! "There's Everybody Else (and then there's you)."

There's Everybody Else (and then there's you) by Steve Forbert

There’s everybody else and then there’s you
When everybody fades you’re so true blue
I’m standing in a crowd but that won’t do
There’s everybody else and then there’s you.

There’s everybody else and then there’s you
It’s everybody’s world and time frame too
Your moments to yourself, they’re burnt down few
There’s everybody else and then there’s you.

Everybody thinks that their burden is the heaviest
(Oh) yes indeed they do
Everybody thinks that their trouble’s worse than all the rest
Them feels it knows what’s true.

There’s everybody else and then there’s you
When everybody’s cracked you’ve stuck like glue
When everybody breaks you’re so brand new
There’s everybody else and then there’s you
(INSTRUMENTAL BREAK)

Yours is a face and a grace from the 1950s
Yours is a wine from a vine of a long-gone time
Yours is a blast from the past blowin’ right down with me
Yours is a case I can trace back a long loud line . . .
(INSTRUMENTAL BREAK)

(REPEAT BRIDGE)

There’s everybody else and then there’s you
The skies have gotten dark but you’ll shine through
I’m standing at the gate the last plane’s due
There’s everybody else and then there’s you
There’s everybody else and then there’s you
There’s everybody else and then there’s you
Steve Forbert

"Welk Music (ASCAP)/Rolling Tide Music (ASCAP)

"From the award-winning documentary, "Playing For Change: Peace Through Music", comes the first of many "songs around the world" being released independently. Featured is a cover of the Ben E. King classic by musicians around the world adding their part to the song as it travelled the globe. This and other songs such as "One Love" will be released as digital downloads soon; followed by the film soundtrack and DVD early next year."

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Joan

Our wedding song, 35 years ago was "Here Comes The Sun". I do love Clapton's "Wonderful Tonight".

Bashful Bill, I do agree, after 35 years the one thing I can say with certainty is marriage takes work. It is always in a state of flux, and always requires making adjustments. The only advice I give to people who ask, is marry your best friend. It will never get old if you do.

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Friend0

Recently you've begun to post that you and your wife had a casual friendship with Rick. Which makes me wonder, did Rick attend your wedding as a invited guest? Or was he a hired performer?

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Friend0

relative to the earlier diascussions about Woodstock and the arts

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Bashful Bill

Subject: wedding songs(& the catalysts before)

I was ina very long, very committed relationship which I thought was very forever but man, did life happen while I was making other plans.... I have some strong opinions& theories re love, & committment, & human nature,& I'll only very briefly expound on them here, then state a case re a Band wedding song. It's a well known statistic that approx 50% of marriages fail in the US ( I dont know about other countries), & its even higher - like 60% or something - for 2nd marriages. Now I'm a bit cynical re statistics anyway - there's so often agendas involved with whoever is compiling them, but the statistic I wonder about is about is what percentage of the marriages that survive are healthy relationships. I know some where they're real partners who negotiate&cooperate&watch each others back & actually - love- each other. I admire & am envious of them - it's what I, at 57, wish I'd had & lament the time & energy I spent in serious denial convinvimg myself that I did.But, most of the longterm marriages I know of(& I can throw in some longterm relationships sans marriage)don't appear healthy to me. They're hanging in more out of fear of the unknown, can barely tolerate each other&don't even conceal it. & , I know of some which are like my failed marriage - a long rollercoaster story of highs&lows&never stopping on level ground where you can actually work&grow together, along with forgiving so many betrayals that the meaning of forgiveness(& real trust) is lost- its just one of many unhealthy patterns. Yeah, I know- oh boo hoo, Bashful. I can say,fortunately, 4 years + after it finally ended, that I'm a healthier&happier guy. I've spoken of addiction in the various guestbooks &, in retrospect I was addicted to the former Mrs Bashful Bill&our unhealthy patterns, & if you're addicted to a substance or a behavior or anything else, you aren't running on full cylinders. I'm grateful that she finally ended it, because the sad state I was in I dont know if I ever could or would have been able. So - Band related wedding songs. At our reception, during the final half hour when things were winding down, I had the DJ play Ringo's All Starr's version of The Weight - it sounds enough like The Band & Clarence Clemons added sax seemed appropriate to that type of occasion. Then I had him finish off with the entire LW Suite. Out Of The Blue is in there, which I always thought was a cool love song but, retrospect again : I now hear those words & (to me) those anguished vocals & I think its not a cool love song. A love song - yes, but that guy is holding on & holding on to what he seems to need to hold on to despite it not being a good thing. Out of fear, or addiction(& the seeds of addiction are in fear)I can't say, as I'm not the guy in the song. Anyway, I'm not arguing for or againt OOTB asa wedding song for anyone else. It seemed like a good idea to me at the time, & everyone reads what they want to into lyrics. As it should be......Heh! -& believe it or not, that WAS brief. I've had afew years to boil it down to the essence.........

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Mike (Plochmann Lane)

Subject: Our wedding songs.

Our 1st dance tune was Dylan's / The Band's Planet Waves outtake "Nobody 'Cept You," our cake cutting tune was The Band's "Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever," during the ceremony Dylan's / The Band's Planet Waves "Wedding Song," & we provided our DJ a variety of The Band tunes to play throughout the reception.

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Brien Sz

Go Blue!

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brown eyed girl

Who else is gonna bring you a broken arrow (offering peace and reconciliation)
Who else is gonna bring you a bottle of rain
There he goes moving across the water
There he goes turning my whole world around

Do you feel what I feel
Can we make it so that's part of the deal
I gotta hold you in these arms of steel
Lay your heart on the line this time

I wanna breathe when you breathe
When you whisper like that hot summer breeze
Count the beads of sweat that cover me
Didn't you show me a sign this time

Who else is gonna bring you a broken arrow
Who else is gonna bring you a bottle of rain
There he goes moving across the water
There he goes turning my whole world around, around

Do you feel what I feel
Do you feel what I feel
Ah can you see what I see
Can you cut behind the mystery
I will meet you by the witness tree
Leave the whole world behind

I want to come when you call
I'll get to you if I have to crawl
They can't hold me with these iron walls
We got mountains to climb, to climb

Who else is gonna bring you a broken arrow
Who else is gonna bring you a bottle of rain
There he goes moving across the water
There he goes turning my whole world around
Turning my whole world around
Turning my whole world around
Turning my whole world around

Then there's Neil Young's "Broken Arrow" which is very different again.

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brown eyed girl

Robbie has penned romantic songs but they're not the ones you'd want to play at your wedding....not mine anyway. Those songs like "Broken Arrow" and "Out Of The Blue"....they're about problems in a relationship and separations. If we'd made our relationship legal....well I guess in the eyes of the law we're legal now anyway....and we had chosen to have a celebration I always knew the two songs that would have honoured us....

Someone Like You...Van
You're The Best Thing...Style Council (left wing nod as well Comrade Stevon Farm)

When separations are required....not always a negative in the long run....there's Amy Winehouse at Toronto's Orange Lounge.

Back To Black
Love Is A Losing Game
Rehab
You Know I'm No Good

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Steve

Baby, Don't You Do It.

Nice one Jeff.

Did all the christian sects get together on this forgiveness pronouncement or are the catholics getting out ahead on this one? I'd have to guess the Church of Palin might drag their knuckles on this on. Did Lennon ever ask for forgiveness ?

NFL watchers. I watched an eye opening story the other evening. NFL players who have a career of at least 5 year have a life expectancy of 55 years. Lineman live an average of 52 years. The continuous shots to the head cause the brain to age at a tremendous rate. Depression, brought on by the brain damage, greatly raises the level of suicide. Autopsies done on the brains of some players show the brains of players in their 40's resemble the brains of people in their 80's who've suffered from dementia.

Former Pats player, Ted Johnson, who's in his 30's I think, is one of the former players who has agreed to donate his brain to further research the damage of playing football, after his death. He now lives with a severe case of depression and other cognitive problems usually associated with elderly people.

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Peter V

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Fred

Not counting "The Moon Struck One" : ) ...then...NO!

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Peter V

I hadn't thought about it until thinking about wedding songs, but while The Band suit the knees-up dancing bit, I don't know that they suit the lovey-dovey bit. Robbie's poignant on history, but not on personal relationships. Richard's songs before he dried have poignant melodies, but not so much lyrics. Sad, but not romantic. When there is a touch, it's in a Dylan lyric … Tears of Rage or I Shall Be Released.

I can't think of anything by The Band that has the quality that Bob Dylan or Paul Simon so often achieve … the slight lump in the throat bit (Slip Slidin' Away, Hearts & Bones, If You See Her Say Hello, Don't Think Twice, Sara etc etc). Michelle Shocked used to be able to do it easily (Anchorage, Memories of East Texas). Solo Robbie has stuff like Golden Feather (as BEG mentioned), but The Band? Do the Band do personal boy/girl stuff?

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Peter V

So … the Wurzels / Morris Dancing lot could do Rag Mama Rag pretty effectively … not romantic but it gets people up.

Romantic? Given the age range, I’d be traditional. The most hauntingly suitable melody would be It Makes No Difference, but stampeding cattle rattling the walls doesn’t work for me in that situation.

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Nick

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Brien Sz

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Joan

They sang The Weight at my best friends 1st wedding. The Hippy late 60's. Note I said it was her 1st wedding. So maybe not. I like Twilight.

Brien Sz, what did Rick sing at your wedding?

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brown eyed girl

Oh, oh Band songs.....Um, how about Robbie songs?

Sweet Fire Of Love
Golden Feather

(chorus)
I gave my love a golden feather
I gave my love a heart of stone
And when you find a golden feather
It means you'll never lose your way back home

Sports and Robbie...Robbie Scores Again!

This entry was posted on Monday, November 17th, 2008.

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Friend0

Across The Great Divide

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brown eyed girl

You're The Best Thing...Someone Like You...Van Morrison

I've been searching a long time
For someone exactly like you
I've been travelling all around the world
Waiting for you to come through.
Someone like you makes it
All worth while
Someone like you keeps
me satisfied.
Someone exactly Like you.

I've been all around the world
Marching to the beat of a different Drum.
But just lately I have
Realised
The best is yet to come.
Someone like you... etc.

You're The Best Thing...Style Council

Now if you're not totally in or totally out of a relationship because of indecision and vascillating back and forth you could play...

Should I Stay Or Should I Go Now...The Clash

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JTull Fan

Subject: Vatican forgives John Lennon

Amusing link. Thanks for the link, BEG.

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dlew919

Up on Cripple Creek is great, until

'So I guess I'll call up my big mama,

Tell her I'll be rollin' in

But you know inside

I'm kinda hopin'

To go and see my Bessie agin

The Weight works well: 'Put the load right on me', which sees to me to express a sentiment which might work in a marriage ...

'Twilight' works

There's not a lot of full declarations of love and fidelity, is there... my brain has stopped.

Hi Dunc! Leonard must have been great!

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Jean

We've been to four weddings this year, the 4th occuring today. Three had d.j.s and the other had a string quartet. We asked each of the 3 d.j.s to play something by the Band and the only song any of them had available was Up On Cripple Creek.

I'm curious - if you could add ONE Band song to the d.j.s list of required wedding music, what would it be?

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brown eyed girl

Coolstreams' Music History Series'

Learn more about the history of all genres of popular music and performing artists on CoolStreams!

"In Hour One of The Emergence of Bob Dylan, radio producer Paul Ingles takes listeners on an exclusive tour of the EMP exhibit with curator Jason Emmons. In both hours, reflections on Dylan's early years from Robbie Robertson of The Band, John Cohen and Mike Seeger of the New Lost City Ramblers, folk music expert Izzy Young, Dylan's music publisher Artie Mogul and EMP Artistic Director Bob Santelli. Dylan's music from this rich creative period will naturally provide the backdrop with an emphasis on less well-known tracks."

Paul Simon for Peter V and Tull Christmas for JTull Fan and Joni and George Harrison and more.

Ignatius! Robbie's latest live performance and you missed it?! How could you?!! I guess you and Deee and the other Robbiesonians will just have to settle for the photos from the Experience Music Project|Science Fiction Museum and Hall of Fame second annual Founders Award celebration. So yes! He was there! :-D

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Dunc

Subject: I'm Your Man

Enjoyed 'I'm Your Man' last evening.

The one thing about hearing Leonard singing one of his songs (as has already been pointed out here) you hear every word clearly. But, still some very good renditions.

Thanks Dlew. Hope the marking is going OK.

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Joan

I think a comparison to The Mets works. They are well liked (except for Atlanta). They have a lot of talent, but often fail to hit the ball out of the park. They come close to winning, but often are just missing the Big Time. Their fans get agita at times, but still love them.

The Band had things like Cahoots and Islands but their fans are true. They never made it to the #1 on the charts but they came close. Like The Mets, they had a lot of "Good guys" Like the Mets, they always held the promise of wait till next year (read next album)

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DEE

Subject: THANKS BEG

You sure do Know how to get my attention! Links to pictures of Mr. Robertson still are my favorites.

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Friend0

I believe you have very intelligently laid down the groundwork for a new area of exploration for the Band scholars. The points you make are all valid.

Maybe Jan could set up sections in the left hand column. One for Painters. Another for sculptures, yet another for architects. The scholars and critics can decide which painter or painting is most like The Band, or a a particular Band member. Or their work, song etc. Same goes for sculptures, or pieces of sculpture, architects, buldings etc. That should keep them busy for a while.

A decade from now, when that topic is exzhausted , they can move on to fictional movie characters. And of course, subgenres. Gunfighters, cowpokes, detectives (French Connection, seven Ups, Bullitt, McQ, Dirty Harry series, etc), newspaper reporters, baseball players.

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Jean

It might have been out of the park, but it was clearly a foul ball. IMHO. Wouldn't a comparison to a hockey team be more appropriate?

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dlew919

It's a tricky question: certainly Rugby League (which Australia just lost the World Cup - good for the game) is traditionally popular, but it's only really watched in NSW and Queensland. AFL is watched in the rest of the states, and is popular, but I've already shown how it is really a local sport.

I believe netball has the most participation in amateur competitions, but no-one really watches it. (The ABC (National Broadcaster) showed it, but cable tv has bought the first-class stuff.)

I suspect, based on many things, that soccer (football) is the most popular sport. Nearly every kid seems to play it in junior competition (rugby and AFL being 'too rough', and there's no discrimination on gender until 10). The local competition is struggling (all the good players get bought by European clubs - Cahill, Kewell (I don't know how good they are, but they make a fortune). The highest rating sporting event after te Olympics is ...

the football world cup. Go figure....

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Peter V

Band connections: RAH. Chelsea Hotel, in the telling, but as we discussed before they really spent more time at the (old) Gramercy Park after the 66 tour.

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Fred

Thanks for the clarification! Which, of all the sports mentioned, is THE most talked about/followed?

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dlew919

AFL is now played in every state, but has a lower participation rate than the other four...

It was invented here, (codified before Gaelic football, which everyone thinks it comes from - it actually comes from Rugby Union), but you cannot really represent Australia in Austrealian Rules (they do a hybrid Gaelic Football/Australian Rules team - but that's only against Ireland): with cricket, you play 6 or 8 teams (England, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, India, Pakistan, West Indies) and there is somewhat of a compeition (unlike Rugby League - Australia shouldn't compete...) ... so while you are technically correct, the practicalities of it are different...

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Fred

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dlew919

Subject: Leonard Cohen

Hope you enjoy this interview with Cohen... Paola Totaro is one of the few good journalists in Australia...

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Fred

(1) the yankees are the most despised franchise in all of baseball...The Band isn't the most despised band in rock 'n' roll. The Band---respected by their many of their peers and by younger bands that followed. The yankees---apart from their fans--NOBODY likes or has respect for them.

(2) the yankees are the winningest franchise (in terms of titles won). Now if you transpose World Series & Division titles into the realm of music where they become record sales, gold records grammies, etc., unfortunately The Band doesn't stack up.

(3) the yankees, a club with, historically, ruthless management and players who, always (especially the 40s &50s versions) were focused on their ultimate goal. The Band comes across as a bunch of Good Time Charlies (and there is nothing wrong with that), who seemed content with what they achieved..JRR may have been the more yankee-like of the bunch.

So if you want to compare The Band & a baseball franchise, and not come across as sounding silly, it would have to be some team other than the yankees (sorry yankees fans)---and I don't want to read someone mention the Red Sox as an alternative! Brooklyn Dodgers I can live with. Cubs, White Sox or maybe a small market team like the Pirates (Clemente era) or the KC Royals (when they were good) are good comparisons.

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dlew919

Can I say I understood Ari's link to cricket more so than the comparisons of the band to baseball? ;-)

(And I don't understand cricket terribly well... though it IS Australia's national sport - well, that, surfing, soccer or netball...)

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Joan

Subject: Cover of JWH

OK if you squint real hard with it upside down, maybe yes. I have the album somewhere. I'll have to look for it.

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JTull Fan

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Lars

Charlie Y- I think the your Yankees/ Band comparison was excellent, having been a fan of both for many years. My only suggestion would be to pair up Garth with Yogi. Also, Albert Grossman with George Steinbrenner.

Ryne Duran/ John Simon??

Billy Martin/ Sredni Vollmer???

Joe Girardi/ Randy Ciarlante????

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Friend0

To think a high school dropout noticed this before the scholars did.

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Fred

Comparing (even the mere act of suggesting)The Band as the yankees....that's a Do Not Pass "Go", Go Directly to Jail moment!! : )

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brown eyed girl

Here's hoping....In case you don't like reading links.....a highlight from the interview with Robbie this week. "These days, Robertson is working on new albums and a book for children. Among his biggest dreams is to work with Cirque du Soleil to create a performance inspired by Native Americans (Robertson is part Mohawk)."

Todd: Thanks for responding to the thread of Planet Waves and JWH. Your usual thoughtful comments were appreciated.

Your email bounced back NB. You're welcome for the tiny Band memorabilia in anycase.

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Charlie Y

Subject: Yankees and The Band

JTF: Another connection between the Yankees and The Band would be "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down." Seriously, if The Band were tranformed into Yankee players, I'd say Robbie=Dimaggio, Levon=Mantle, Rick=Babe Ruth, Richard=Gehrig and Garth, of course=Casey Stengel.

I'm shocked Mike Mussina announced his retirement from baseball after winning 20 games for a lackluster Yankee team this year (reminiscent of Mel Stottlemyre in the CBS era). I guess this year was his "Last Waltz" so he could go out on top, a class act. Now watch him sign with the Orioles...

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Charlie Y

One of my favorite things about "John Wesley Harding" was that it was so against the grain of what was going on musically at the time. It was Dylan's first album after The Beatles gave us "Sgt. Pepper" and almost the antithesis of that project. While John, Paul, George and Ringo posed with famous faces from history and pop culture while wearing their colorful Sgt. Pepper suits, Mr.Dylan's dull black & white image adorning the gray cover of JWH showed him with scruffy, unglamorous blue collar guys (foreshadowing the "Next of Kin" photo inside The Band's first LP jacket the following year). Similarly, the music was no-frills, stripped down to basics--Dylan strapping himself to that tree with roots in a time of excess and bullshit. Then the last two tracks sounded a lot like straight country tunes, a glimpse of the "Nashville Skyline" on Mr. Dylan's horizon.

On a side note, does anyone mention the rumor that there were images of The Beatles and others imbedded in the tree on the background of the LP cover photo of "John Wesley Harding?" If you have an actual LP you can look for them, but those are the sort of nuances we lost when CDs killed LP jackets.

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brown eyed girl

Last updated November 17, 2008 1:31 p.m. PT
A moment with: Robbie Robertson/ singer-songwriter
By MOISES MENDOZA
SEATTLE P-I

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brown eyed girl

Many thanks Ignatius for the heads up re Robbie Robertson and the Experience Music Project awards. Deeee....Here are 11 photos from that night with mostly Robbie!

Legendary songwriter, guitarist and producer Robbie Robertson plays to the crowd during the Experience Music Project|Science Fiction Museum and Hall of Fame second annual Founders Award celebration.
Robertson was the guest of honor.
The EMP|SFM Founders Award is presented to artists who have made outstanding contributions to their respective fields. (November 19, 2008) Brad Vest/Seattle Post-Intelligencer

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Friendo

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Bill M

Subject: Noodling Away

Steve, I had a similar experience a few years ago, but with a twist. I was listening to ‘Mystery Train’ on the CD remaster in my car, which has a decent audio system. I had the volume VERY loud, and towards the end of the song I was hearing musical sounds in the song that I hadn’t heard before. I figured it was a combination quality of the CD remaster and my car stereo picking up nuances that I hadn’t noticed previously. I remember thinking to myself.. “what the heck is Garth doing there?..wow, that’s pretty cool….I’ve never noticed THAT before!” Well as the song faded out, the mysterious sounds continued. It turns out that it was my cell phone ringing, but it had blended in with the music perfectly. I was never able to reproduce that again. I was slightly embarrassed by my mistake, even though I was alone in the car at the time. But I had a good laugh with myself about it.

JTull Fan, as long as we agree on apizza & baseball, I’ll accept some divergence when it comes to music. ;-)

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Bill M

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Steve

Landmark, Oh the lucky man to have had Ms Nin carry a torch for him. To quote Sir Paul's admirer in HELP, " I can say no more"

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David P.

"I'm starin' at my Sony, a-drinkin' Kirin beer..."

In 1988 CBS records was sold to Sony for $2 billion. Shortly thereafter, this turn of events may, or may not, have played a part in souring the re-formed Band's deal with Columbia.

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Landmark

Bill, as does Landmark.

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JTull Fan

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Bill M

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David P.

In 1965, as Dylan began to sing the body electric, CBS (the parent corporation of his record label) bought Fender Music for $13 million. The previous year they'd purchased an 80% stake in the New York Yankees for $11.2 million and later spent around $2 million for the remaining 20%. During the years of CBS control, the quality of both the Yankees and Fender declined. \In 1973 a shipbuilder named George Steinbrenner from Cleveland, along with a group of investers, purchased the Yankees from CBS for the bargain price of around $10 million. Around that same time, Dylan's contract negotiations with CBS fell apart and he briefly left the label to record with David Geffen's Asylum label with The Band. Meanwhile, one of first big moves Mr. Steinbrenner made to turn around the Yankee's fortunes was in signing the great pitcher Catfish Hunter. Dylan, collaborating with Jacques Levy, later wrote a song celebrating the exploits of Catfish.

The big sports news yesterday was that the ailing George Steinbrenner had officially turned over control of the Yankees, now worth a billion or so, to his youngest son Hal. This change is overshadowed by the end of another era, as the team leaves the sanctity of the cathedral that Ruth built.

(After two decades of CBS ownership, Fender Musical Instruments was sold to a group of investers headed by the company's former president.)

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Ari S.

Rather strange comparison between Robbie touring with Bob Dylan and cricket (yeah, the sport).

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Landmark

Dear Diary, today I finally witnessed it. Bill M. discussing the works of Anais Nin with Steve. Will wonders ever cease to amaze?

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Bill M

Now it's back to "Cahoots", which I'm growing fonder and fonder of. One thing that struck me today was how "The Moon Struck One" seems to be related somehow to "The Weight". Maybe it's the burden of friendship, or maybe because the former can be imagined as a sequel to the latter. As if the narrator, leaving Julie when the car stalled, struck out for Nazareth on his own. Maybe Miss Fanny's real name was Julie Tyler? Maybe Robbie was protecting her name and reputation in TW, but when she died shortly after he felt free to let the true story out in TMSO. Kinda like how Anais treated Henry and June.

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Todd

Subject: Planet Waves / John Wesley Harding

So I did my homework and revisited ‘John Wesley Harding’, which I have on CD, on a long drive yesterday in the car. I just finished listening to ‘Planet Waves’ on LP here at home. Just to be clear, I like both albums and this is not necessarily one vs. another. I’m happy to have both. That being said, I still feel that ‘John Wesley Harding’, while having stronger writing, a more unified presentation, and a seemingly very focused Dylan, hasn’t aged quite as well. That’s okay…it sounds like a period piece to me. When I first got it about 20 years ago I liked it a lot and played it frequently. Based on yesterday’s listen, the songs that stand out to me as the strongest are: ‘All Along The Watchtower’, ‘Dear Landlord’, ‘Down Along The Cove’, and ‘I’ll Be Your Baby Tonight’. As strong as ‘Watchtower’ is, it’s impossible not to compare it to the Hendrix version and later live versions that Dylan did that were similar to Hendrix. The Hendrix treatment makes the song better. My favorite from the album is ‘Down Along The Cove’ and would have been a good fit for The Band backing Dylan. ‘Cove’ reminds me of the ‘Highway 61 Revisited’ era Dylan, which is one of my favorite flavors of Bob.

I still like 'Planet Waves' quite a bit, even more so then when I first heard it. I do remember being a bit puzzled when I first got the album, also about 20 years ago…maybe I was expecting something else at the time…but I think it’s aged well and still has a lot of charm. In particular Dylan is singing with a lot of passion, and sounds like an artist rather than an actor. Sometimes Bob plays a character, and sometimes he plays himself. I think the ‘Planet Waves’ Bob is more of a pure Dylan. He was going through a lot of changes at the time, leaving New York for California....changing labels.....uncertainty about his marriage....and possibly his relevance to the music industry at the time. Were his best days behind him, or still to come? Could he capture the magic again? These may well have been questions that were rolling around in his head. I think this record reflects a lot of that, and is most evident in his vocals, which are often very powerful and passionate.

Side one is stronger than side two. The best tracks for me are ‘Going, Going, Gone’, ‘Hazel’, ‘Forever Young’, ‘You Angel You’, and ‘Wedding Song’. I’ll go out on a limb and say that ‘Going Going Gone’ and ‘Wedding Song’ are powerful enough to have fit in well on ‘Blood On The Tracks’. So while ‘Planet Waves’ might never make the list of Dylan’s all time greatest albums, five very strong tracks is not too shabby. And quite often, it has sort of a 'Basement Tapes' feel, due in no small part to the Band, which is always a good thing, in my book.

Yes Jeff, as you surmised, I was generalizing about Blues albums and cutting them live with minimal overdubbing. But I still think that’s the best way.

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Ignatius

Subject: Robbie honored at the EMP

You guys, I could have gone to this event, and kick myself that I didn't.

Here is the URL and a salient quote:

http://www.empsfm.org/press/index.asp?articleID=1337

Robbie Robertson Honored at EMP|SFM’s 2008 Founders Award Celebration

Annual fundraiser and tribute concert highlights Robertson’s remarkable musical achievements

SEATTLE—Last night, Experience Music Project|Science Fiction Museum and Hall of Fame (EMP|SFM) honored legendary songwriter, guitarist and producer Robbie Robertson at its 2008 Founders Award Celebration. Museum founder, Paul G. Allen presented the award to Robertson.

“Robbie is a true architect of rock ‘n’ roll,” said founder Paul G. Allen. “He came of age just as rock ‘n’ roll did, and that turned out to be a powerful combination. Robbie was driven to play rock harder and faster than had been done before, and to mix diverse musical influences in blues, country and rock to come up with a unique gumbo of sound.”

The evening began with a tribute concert with performances by The Long Winters, Fielder/McKeag, The Moondoggies and Sean Nelson of Harvey Danger. The Seattle musicians performed selections from Robertson’s songbook, including “The Weight,” “Up On Cripple Creek” and “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down.”

The event raised $172,500. . . .

. . . read the rest at the URL above.

My young heroes, The Moondoggies, were among the bands who played for Robbie, though it is not clear to me whether or not he was here.

Ignatius

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Steve

I thought World Idol was finally getting down to just a handful of contenders for the title, World God, and now you say there are still 6.5 billion in the running. Does this man the old timers, the guys from the Greek Invasion era, Zeus, Apollo, Pan and that ilk are still in the running as well? I thought Pan in particular was put out to pasture in an earlier round. Will this never end?

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Bill M

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David P.

The Vandals took the handles and St. Augustine too.

If the devil is in the details, the beauty of Dylan's "John Wesley Harding" is framed in its simplicity. Recorded in four sessions in Nashville, Dylan is accompanied only by Charlie McCoy on bass and Kenneth Buttrey on drums, joined by the late-great Pete Drake on pedal steel for two songs.

Back in the '50s, Mr. Drake led a band in Atlanta called the Sons of the South. Its members included an impressive list of musicians who later gained fame -- Jerry Reed, Roger Miller, Doug Kershaw, Jack Greene and Joe South. After moving to Nashville, Mr. Drake became one of the top session & touring musicians in Guitar Town and achieved fame with his solo recordings, which featured the innovative use of the "talk box" effect with the pedal steel. In addition to his work with Dylan, rock fans were introduced to Mr. Drake through his work with Ringo Starr, playing & producing his first solo album "Beaucoups of Blues", and George Harrison on "All Things Must Pass".

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Peter V

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Bill M

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JTull Fan

'We all create god in our own image'- Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, Star Trek, The Motion Picture.

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Bill M

Steve / Peter V / Empty N: It just occurred to me that 'savage' / 'sauvage' come from the same root as 'save' and 'salvage', so have a missionary / religious connotation - in contrast to 'barbarians', who I suppose were viewed as being beyond hope.

Charlie Y: Good list, though I'd've grouped Mitchell and Simon (and maybe Cohen) by themselves at the top. Nice that you included Chuck Berry ("I speak only the language of English, I don't understand Espagnol") and Tim Hardin, who I always forget about. And I'd've inserted, ahead of at least a couple of your other suggestions, Jimmy Buffet, Bill Henderson and Fred Eaglesmith.

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dlew919

But 'base' worked anyway... ;-)

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Steve

Jesus, I should have ended that last one with, " My 30 pieces of silver are on Levonicus".

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Steve

Now if he'd just get around to putting out his "Book", we could all claim to know The Truth! Which one of the apostles do you think gets the role of Judas in this one? My money's on Levonicus.

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brown eyed girl

bob dylan parody by joan baez

I lost all religion after I watched my late Ma pray every night to no avail. Then Marx ("Religion is the opium of the masses.") and Feuerbach touched me..."Did God create wo/man or did wo/man create God?" I"m a very simple person....that's all it took. Later in life my religion became this gb....hmmmm. LOL

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JTull Fan

I meant 'bass'.

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JTull Fan

Robbie was correct that JWH was perfect as it was. While hearing him and Garth on All Along The Watchtower would have been an awesome experience (and the later cover by the Jimmy Hendrix Experience certainly would have been altered by it), the album is powerful in its' musical subtleties. I love the musicality of the base that is out in front, and that certainly would have dropped further into the mix the more instruments were added upon it.

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Peter V

This is the Ezra Pound poem. Until Empty Now mentioned St Augustine being beset and overrun by "barbarous hordes" I'd never connected his death with the story in Lament of the Frontier Guard, which has been cited in connection with All Along The Watchtower.

LAMENT OF THE FRONTIER GUARD - Ezra Pound

By the North Gate, the wind blows full of sand,

Lonely from the beginning of time until now!

Trees fall, the grass goes yellow with autumn.

I climb the towers and towers to watch out the barbarous land:

Desolate castle, the sky, the wide desert.

There is no wall left to this village.

Bones white with a thousand frosts,

High heaps, covered with trees and grass;

Who brought this to pass?

Who has brought the flaming imperial anger?

Who has brought the army with drums and with kettle-drums?

Barbarous kings.

A gracious spring, turned to blood-ravenous autumn,

A turmoil of wars-men, spread over the middle kingdom,

Three hundred and sixty thousand,

And sorrow, sorrow like rain.

Sorrow to go, and sorrow, sorrow returning,

Desolate, desolate fields,

And no children of warfare upon them,

No longer the men for offence and defence.

Ah, how shall you know the dreary sorrow at the North Gate,

With Rihoku's name forgotten,

And we guardsmen fed to the tigers.

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Peter V

Books have been written on religion and Dylan. JWH is intriguing … I hadn't known how St Augustine went his way until Empty Now's post today, and the religious references in JWH are poetic etc. It's such a contrast to the parrot-fashion brainwash clichés of "Saved", the sort of stuff like "saved by the blood of the lamb" which gets chanted out as a mantra without ever considering what it might mean.

Some people see "(All Along The) Watchtower" as a religious reference, plagued as we are by the magazine sellers, but I reckon it owes more to Dylan reading Ezra Pound's translations of Chinese poems around then. Well, they weren't translations so much as rewrites of someone else's translations.

What? Pretentious? Moi?

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brown eyed girl

John Lennon's parody of Bob Dylan.

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brown eyed girl

I'm sharing this video 'cause I never saw this one in particular. The downloader thinks it's from '74, (wouldn't it be in '75 then if it's from the time of RTR or Hard Rain shows?). Dylan even talks on stage with a woman some of you loooove to bash and mash. I find it tiresome myself as we didn't have many female artists at the time to appreciate.

Hey Bill M! I missed the '74 shows but not The Rolling Thunder shows in Niagara Falls, NY or Toronto! "Hot chili peppers in the blistering sun!"

I would like to report.....reports are done!

JWH is a totally different recording....I think I can't get some of his references because I rejected religion at such a young age that I'm ignorant about all the religious references so I miss out here.....

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dlew919

Subject: Aborigines, savages and civilisations...

Here, it was thought the aborigines would die out, and nothing was done to prevent this. Some (how much is still in contention, but more than the doubters say, certainly) was done actively.

(sigh)...

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Peter V

Just listening to Lyle Lovett's "It's Not Big It's Large" the last couple of days. It's a much bigger band, but his voice and the songs remind me heavily of Jesse Winchester. He really sounds like Jesse to me. Anyway, a friend came in while it was playing and said, 'Oh? A new Jesse Winchester?"

Don't believe me? Listen to South Texas Girl.

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Steve

Dick Pound, International Olympic Committee member, founder of WADA ( World Anti Doping Association)and presently, Chancellor Of McGill University in Montreal, in an attempt to make us aware that the Chinese gov't deserved to host the Olympics and has nothing to learn about civilized behaviour from Canada stated recently that China has a culture that goes back 5,000 years while our country as recently as 400 years ago was a land of savages populated by at most, 10,000 people of European descent.

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Empty Now

Subject: At Budokan

I dreamed I saw St. Augustine
Alive with fiery breath
And I dreamed I was amongst the ones
That put him out to death
Oh, I awoke in anger
So alone and terrified
I put my fingers against the glass
And bowed my head and cried

“I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine” – Bob Dylan

For who are interested with encyclopedic references, Saint-Augustine died on 28 August 430 during the Vandals’ siege of the Byzantine city Hippo [today’s Bone, Annaba]. First-hand accounts say he was confined in bed enduring a final illness while the siege was going-on, spending all his days in prayer. However, the used simple mention of his death during Hippo siege may have suggested over the centuries that he was sword in hand fighting the Vandals [aged 77 years], that joins Dylan verses.
Shortly after Saint-Augustine’s death, the Vandals raised the siege. But they returned thereafter and burned the city, destroying all of it but Augustine's cathedral and library, which they left untouched.

According to another famous John-Wesley, Powell, U.S. soldier anthropologist who explored the first passage through the Grand Canyon, in his writings he classed all societies into "Savages," "Barbarians," and "Civilizations." the savages were the Native Americans he encountered in his travels; for the barbarians he meant the Vandals and other European chiefdoms that had conquered Rome in antiquity. By civilization, he had his own society in mind.

Gee.. Dylan knew all that stuff

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Peter V

That brings up a question. John Wesley Harding has for me the stronger songs and the simplicity of the backing frames them and lets the lyrics shine. Planet Waves has some wonderful playing by The Band, but (I feel) weaker songs.

So … Robbie has said Dylan had asked him and Garth to sweeten the finish John Wesley Harding tapes. I'm pretty sure he said that rather than the whole Band. Robbie says he listened and declined as it was perfect as it was. Would they have improved John Wesley Harding? The issue is not "having The Band on it" (perhaps it's surprising that he didn't) but having Robbie and Garth overdub.

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dlew919

JWH is my favourite Dylan, but I can't play it over and over, like I can he Brown album - it has a certain quality which means it needs to be tasted less, but remains longer. the Brown album is eminently relistenable daily: it's like your favourite food - JWH is like (I guess) an expensive brandy - you need to save it. Or at least I do.

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Charlie Y

I prefer Robbie on the Telecaster just as I prefer JWH to "Planet Waves." The title of the latter was stolen from Allen Ginsberg's book of poetry, "Planet News."

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Bashful Bill(again)

Subject: scrolling backwards

I'm scrolling backwards tonite, & shooting from the hip as I see em, but :Tull -John Wesley Harding remains , possibly, my favorite Dylan album since the first time I heard it, awaaaaay back when. & I still have my battered paperback of Knockin On Dylan's Door ,BEG. It's falling apart, & about a year ago I saw one in real good shape for about $5 if I remember correctly, & they're side by side on one of my many bookshelves. I've told this story before, but I hitchiked(I did a lot of that back then)fron Monterey up to Oakland hoping to find a scalper for one of those shows, but was unsuccessful. The following week I read in Rolling Stone( so it MUST be true) that Jerry Garcia was turned away as he was somehow left off the VIP list. I still recall the quote, at least almost, that he was last seen standing in the lobby" with a bemused expression on his newly shaven face". The reporter never found out if he made it in, the last he saw him he was -bemusedly, I suppose - trying to get word backstage to Bill Graham. If he didn't get in, I guess I was in good company. I had better luck afew years later. I moved into San Francisco after making my way cross country via my car which died in Nevada,then thumb&finally bus, the day before Thanksgiving 76. The guy who had turned me on to The Band years back & I made our way down to Winterland & just as it was getting dark we got 2 tix at face value- $25 each. The guy said he just wanted to get rid of them&go home&go to bed.

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Bashful Bill

Subject: Planet Waves

I've always been suprised at the # of PW detractors. I was living in Monterey CA & spent a very rainy Winter eagerly awaiting its release(it did come out close to Springtime, right? thats how I remember it)& bought it the day it came out. I've always liked it & listen to it at least a couple times a year, still. It's good Dylan, its good Band, its good Dylan&The Band. Its all good. In my opinion, of course.....

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dlew919

I think I prefer Robbie on he Tele, but he is certainly fine on the Strat. It's my opinion htat a Strat is easier to play - a strat will do wha you tell it, but you have to fight a tele a little bit...

On a slightly related note, to all guitarists out there, yesterday I bought a pick (just to try, you understand) which is covered in felt! Anyone else have one of these? I usually use my fingers, as I keep dropping picks, but I can't see the benefits of felt as a grip device?

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Ari S.

A few questions I've lately been pondering. Do you guys think Robbie is better on a Stratacaster (which I believe he started using in 74` at the time of the 74 tour with Dylan) or his early work with the Telecaster. Personally, I play both (not really a Gibson fan, as I only play Fenders) I've realized that lately I like the Telecaster sound more than the Strat (it's easier to emulate Robbie's distinctive sound on the Tele) but I do really love his work with that wang bar (as Clapton described it) in Last Waltz. What do you guys think? When did he permanently switch to Strats?

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Ari S.

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Charlie Y

David: I still think the studio version of "Silvio"--which I think was the "B" side of some single release by Dylan, back by The Dead--is more listenable than most of "Planet Waves." But I'll go listen to that LP and tune in to the organ man.

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Peter V

I was only remarking the other day that I listen to BBC Radio Two about fifteen minutes a day, it's 30% chatter and yet I've heard "You're So Vain" at least three times in a couple of months. I know their playlist of oldies is short, but it's still surprising. But it's OK. I like it. I think of that scarf that was apricot, then TLW.

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Dunc

Subject: Comes a time

There comes a time when you don't have enough time to play all the albums you have bought.

Think about this before you buy your next album. Do you really need it?

I love Planet Waves. Play the album again and listen to Garth. Comments?

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David P.

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Deb

I can add these off the top of my head, Charlie: Townes Van Zandt, Guy Clark, Rodney Crowell, and Steve Earle.

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dlew919

With Norm's cards trashed, will it be good for the economy that he can't access his funds, thereby creating some stability in the banking sector, or do we need those funds circulating, so as to stimulate the Canadian National economy?

;-)

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Fred

No need to pay for Norm's ransom....after a few days the pirates would be willing (begging even) to pay us to take him back!

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Charlie Y

Subject: "Planet Waves"...and My Favorite Lyricists

"Planet Waves" was slapped together in three days and sounds like it. No wonder there were piles of it in bargain bins a year later. I think I bought a "backup" copy for 44 cents but never opened it. It does have a few good moments, though--most of them alreay mentioned here. The lyrics were certainly among Mr. Dylan's weakest.

Speaking of lyrics, I put together list of my favorite writers of words to songs for this week at least. In no particular order, they are: Bob Dylan, Robbie Robertson, Robert Hunter (thanks to the XM-Sirius Satellite Radio Grateful Dead channel I've come to realize recently how great this guy's writing was), Paul Simon, Joni Mitchell, Bruce Springsteen, Pete Townshend, Neil Young, Stephen Stills, Jackson Browne, Chuck Berry, Fred Neil and Tim Hardin. Mr. Hardin is perhaps the most underappreciated songwriter of the last half-century with his "Misty Roses" ranking as one of the most perfect love songs every written.

I know I left out Lennon & McCartney, Leiber & Stoller and lots of great teams, but I'm sure others here might have a few solo names I missed.

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Steve

Before I forget about the fact I owe you for that damn Carly Simon song in my head yesterday here's one I hope swills around in your noggin for at least an hour or two. It's not great but since we're playing Simon says" my limited imagination was more limited than usual.

I need you to just sing the refrain from Ms Simon's song, Kurt Cobain, a couple of times quietly in your mind. Twice should be enough to plant the seed. Thanks for your continued cooperation.

Kurt Cobain,

I bet you think this song is about you ,

Kurt Cobain,

I bet you think this song is about you, don't you, don't you........

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JTull Fan

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westcoaster

Subject: Ransom??

Well now I really need the ransom. Susan just put my wallet thru' the washer & DRYER. All my credit cards, bank cards etc, look like a bunch a gawd damn potatoe chips. SHIT! I was just about to head down island on business too.

Now I had to phone the credit union, and these credit card places, and they all laughed at me! Go ahead, have a good laugh.......GAWD DAMN WIMMIN!

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Joan

Unlike our President Elect, I would set terms for our discussion with his Kidnappers. First item on the table is the long unfinished CD. We would need to have that done before turning over any ransom payments. Are there any other conditions out there? :-D

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Landmark

Both noble causes Jean but better to keep it aside for Landmark's Aqueduct winter campaign where small but tax-free winnings can be had.

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Jean

Looks like I'll have to choose between Richard or Norm. This is a pickle. IMHO, of course.

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Bill M

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Kevin J

Cahoots vs Planet Waves: Since Dylan is still recording; I guess it would be Cahoots. The tougher choice would be choosing only one complete catalogue or the other. Dylan’s music or The Band’s. There is some intersection but……………

I saw Patti Boyd on a CBC talk show a few nights ago and understand completely why Eric Clapton lost his mind over her all those years ago.

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Friend0

Swill? Reminds me of greedy swine.

Peter, if you regard this as a discussion, and you are engaging in polite conversation and not voicing directives, you certainly should have typed "Would you be kind enough to swill that around in your brain....."

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Peter V

Perhaps this needs explaining. Some people do something called ‘discussion.’ This is not argument, but I know it seems like it to some precious souls. When you do this ‘discussion’ thing, you make statements. You COULD say “In my humble opinion, I think that You Angel You is the best song on Planet Waves but you might disagree, and if you do, don’t worry.’ No in this “discussion” thing you say “You Angel You is the best track” because 95% of people in the world undersand that this is an “opinion”, but get bored by reading “I think” or “I guess” at the start of each sentence. So that’s the sort of way it works. Now some of you come from communities where people only hold one opinion, but out there in the big wide world there are other places where people can hold a variety of opinions. That doesn’t mean they’re enemies. I know this is a hard one, but stick with it. Swill it around your brain for a while, and pretty soon you’ll get the idea.

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Empty Now

Subject: Westcoaster

Thanks : the linked clip with my post (yesterday’s one, not this morning one, neither the above one) at 2 :20

Un ami qui s'en va
Ça ne se remplace pas
Mon ami t'en fais pas
On se souviendra de toi
Vancouver
En hiver
Une écharpe autour de ton cou
Vent du Nord
Sur le port
Y'a des mouettes
Autour de nous

English.
A friend who goes away
He cannot be replaced
My Friend don’t worry
We will remember you
Vancouver
In winter
A scarf around your neck
Wind of North
Above the port
And sea gulls
Around us

“Un ami qui s’en va“ [du grand] Bachelet – c’est malheureux que je doit tout translater dans ce forum [which actually cannot be replaced]

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westcoaster

Subject: SULTANS OF SWING!

JOAN! See baby, it don't make me no never mind if y'all can'y raise my ransom. Now I'm a gawd damn Sultan. Thanks Empty.......I wrote a bunch about that Barbary Coast here a long time back.

Hell now I got my own slaves, and a harem....I'm lovin' it.

I gotta get ahold of Jimmy Buffet, and see what he's thinkin'....A Pirate looks ot 40? Yes I am a pirate, 200 years too late, The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder.

Nothing to plunder??? an oil tanker with 2 million gallons of crude?? Now that's plunder!

I always wanted to be on the Barbary Coast....a good day of pirateing, then a bar fight, smash a bottle over some guys head, pull a dagger and stick in another's throat, then out the door with some gorgeous black haired angel hangin' over my shoulder.....yeah!

Ever remember the old movie, "Captain Blood"? Errol Flynn, a real perfect bastard.....in real life too.

Empty, you made my day.

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Friend0

But there are plenty of "blues" albums that are built. Plenty that are heavily produced.

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JTull Fan

I'm with the critics who were dissappointed. Tough Mama and Hazel are favorites of mine, and they are particulary good when performed live, but the rest of the album seems forced to me and not Dylan's top shelf in terms of song writing. I think Robbie's use of his guitar trill is overused on the album as well, almost as if he is consciously trying to sound like himself as opposed to just being himself naturally. Todd, it's been a while since I've listened to John Wesley Harding, but that is one of my all-time favorite Dylan albums. I like the experimentalism of Desire, but it is lyrically weak for me, perhaps because of Dylan's use of a co-writer.

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brown eyed girl

The best single cover on this site of 1974 singles with Dylan and The Band 'cause of Rick and Robbie seen with Bob. Btw I still have my 1974 paperback from this tour..._Knockin' On Dylan's Door_ On The Road In '74 A Rolling Stone Book. This was the tour I should have seen....but instead the music shop in my small home town rented a bus for us to see Yes and The Rolling Stones in Buffalo. When "Blood On The Tracks" came out......now the owner of the music shop told me that I had to have this one! He was right this time but wrong that we missed the '74 show in Toronto. I was young and in highschool so I hadn't learned yet to stand up for my music rights! ;-D

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brown eyed girl

February 2, 1974 Dylan and The Band. Uhhh....I guess all of you can tell that I really dig Dylan with The Band and The Band with Dylan. Ilkka probably understands this about me the most. :-D

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brown eyed girl

Bob Dylan and The Band singles 1974.

Uploaded on January 12, 2008 by dag.

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brown eyed girl

1974 [01] Bob Dylan and The Band at Madison Square Garden Uploaded on November 15, 2008 by straatis

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Todd

Subject: Planet Waves

I'm also a fan of 'Desire', but at times it sounds too busy too me....it has a "made by committee" feel to it sometimes. I like the energy of 'Desire', but the thing that draws me to 'Planet Waves' is its organic feel. You can tell that it was recorded more like a Blues album. But if push came to shove and I had to direct a new listener to 'Desire' or 'Planet Waves', I'd probably send them to 'Desire' first.

'John Wesley Harding' is a fine effort, but I seem to hardly ever play it very often these days. 'Planet Waves' wins that contest for me. It's just personal preference, but 'John Wesley Harding' always sounds to me like Dylan with studio musicians (talented as they are) backing him, whereas 'Planet Waves' sounds more like a band effort.

In retrospect I can see how fans & critics at the time may have been hoping for the second coming of 'Music From Big Pink', but that probably comes down to unrealistic & hopeful expectations. MFBP will likely never be equaled in it's impact. Now that some time has passed, I think 'Planet Waves' has aged fairly nicely. I've always liked the song 'Hazel'. Another thing to consider is that Levon was driving to California on the first day of recording and was only there for days 2 and 3. So some of the tracks were not full Band recordings, and I would imagine that some of the direction of the sound / arranging etc. was established on the first day presumably without Levon's input.

'Cahoots' vs. 'Planet Waves'....I would choose 'Cahoots', but I would probably always choose the Band over Dylan. As much as I like Dylan, The Band resonates more with me. Thankfully that's not a choice that we have to make in real life, as it's quite nice to have both.

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bob w.

"Life is A Carnival would be a major loss, but on balance Forever Young and You Angel You are the best two songs on the combined two albums."

Always good to be told which are best, thus eliminating any need to judge for yourself.

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Steve

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Bill M

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brown eyed girl

Bob Dylan Animated Video for New Kids Book - Forever Young

From: CBS
Added: September 11, 2008

"Bob Dylans first book for kids Forever Young available everywhere September 23, 2008! Since it first appeared on the 1974 album Planet Waves, "Forever Young" has been one of Bob Dylan's most beloved songs. Its an anthem to youth, to doing the right thing, to cherishing the spirit of being young. And like so many of Dylans songs, it still moves people today. Re-imagined by award-winning illustrator Paul Rogers, the lyrics tell the story of a young boy who travels through his life, as well as Dylan's many influences, living in the footsteps of the man who gave the world the greatest gift he had: his music. Forever Young is published by ginee seo books, an imprint of Simon & Schuster Children's Publishing."

Yes...Rick's bass playing in "YAY"....yes, yes, yes!

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Peter V

Planet Waves had a shrink wrap with adhesive stickers saying BOB DYLAN on the shrink wrap and the gold insert wasn't inserted, it was on the outside at the back, and shrink wrapped to the sleeve. So for the anally retentive record collector, having the shrink wrap intact adds to the value. I suspect I guessed that.

Any keen browser of secondhand records knows full well the poignancy of seeing lovingly-assembled collections in a charity shop box, as I do at least once a week. Sometimes it's something pretty awful, but you can see it was a collection … maybe 20 James Last LPs. Last week it was something better … fifteen original Brenda Lee singles, beautifully looked after, all next to each other. You know the owner's dead. That's why Record Collector asks the featured huge collector what'll happen to the collection when they die. You're talking about people with 20,000 or 30,000 records! I probably have about 1500 singles though.

Having spent the morning with Planet Waves, there is excellent playing, but there are several weak songs. Also, unless the playing was extremely fortuitous on the day, I'd guess that You Angel You had more time devoted to it than Tough Mama … which is a throwaway for all concerned. Hazel is another where they appear to have gone to town and put in more. I reckon it starts with three pretty generic ones in a row, then gets great for the rest of the side.

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Steve

Wedding Song is one of my favorites from As The Planet Waves. Carnival,4%, Shoot Out,Volcano and River Hymn are all favorites on Cahoots, but I think I might just not be critical enough when it's The Band.

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Friend0

I hope you have a codocil in your will providing instructions as to how all your archival savings will be treated, dispensed, or distributed when you expire. I'd hate for you to drop dead and all these goodies get the garage sale treatment. What would be more horrifying is if you had a stroke, and had to watch helplessly while the family made space by garage selling everything off. But hopefully you have provisions for that too.

I'm serious. Near the end of his life I coincidentally met and became friendly with Sheldon Harris. He had one of the world's greatest private collection of original releases of blues and jazz recordings. Everything was in mint condition, original packagung and additional protective sleeves. Long ago he had made arrangements that it would go to the University Of Mississippi Institue Of Southern Culture.

Different records by the same artist are just that. Planet Waves is not Blood On The Tracks, and is not Blonde On Blonde. It is Planet Waves. Oozes the dynamics. So they didn't have time to play the songs 2 dozen times and work out more vocal parts. It oozes the dynanmics of initial renderings by the greatest friggin musicians. Oozes dynamics. What's more msuical than that? Ever think about that? Waves....Dynamics. Planet...Before The Flood . Was Dylan saying something? Fucked if I know.

Best Of? Best Known Of? Maybe best known Bob Dylan songs that start with the letter B. How about Best known Bob Dylan songs that start with the letter L? How about best Bob Dylan songs with biblical references? How about best known Bob Dylan songs with biblical references? Can anybody tell me the best known Bob Dylan songs with biblical refernces recorded in the month of March, in Nashville?

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Peter V

You sent me back to Planet Waves, Robbie's guitar on You Angel You is astounding, as is Garth's organ part. But this morning, it was the bass guitar that took me. It's one of Rick's finest moments, like the Basement Tapes it's almost as if the bass guitar is the central element with everything revolving around it. Then those few little stacatto fills from Garth early on … just when you'd expect the guitar to be doing them.

But the nature of the session is shown by the fact that no other voices join him on "more and more and more" which would be a Band thing to do.

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brown eyed girl

Music Review: Bob Dylan - Planet Waves
Written by David Bowling
Published September 26, 2008
Part of The Discographer

In my previous post I made a mistake regarding title of song....Second time I posted "Something There Is About You" should be "Dirge"....but then those of you who have this recording knew that.

I was just perusing through one of my Dylan books re Planet Waves....

"On "Tough Mama" he again seemed to be cavorting with his muse, and in the final verse addressing his audience, asking them not to expect too much, because he would not be "hauling any of my lambs through the marketplace anymore."

Hmmm....I guess it was only on the music site that I previously linked that it listed Richard as playing on "Dirge". As I was listening to the song again it sounded the way Bob would play piano not Richard but I thought I was wrong here. Anyway in Heylin's _Bob Dylan Behind The Shades_ again.....

"Rob Fraboni: "I'd like to try "Dirge" on the piano." We had recorded a version with only acoustic guitar and vocal a few days earlier...we put up a tape and he said to Robbie, "Maybe you could play guitar on this." They did it once, Bob playing piano and singing and Robbie playing acoustic guitar. The second time was the take."

Robbie Robertson: "Planet Waves was as good as we could make it in the situation...he really didn't have a bag of songs there so it was just a last minute thing...Under those circumstances, I thought it was extraordinary...But it wasn't an appropriate Bob Dylan album, that's what the problem was, and it wasn't superunusual, so it got a different kind of credit. People put so much weight on the words that it really limited the album, all those songs...{were} as simple as he's ever done and people just thought it wasn't a real effort.

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brown eyed girl

Planet Waves (precursor to the dissolution of Bob's marriage to Sarah...He's not totally in but then he's not totally out at this point in time.) Check out complete recording and lyrics if you don't have it. These are the songs that resonated with me from the time the collaboration took place and still to this day.

I've always really liked Bob's lyrics and Robbie's guitar playing in "Going, Going, Gone".

I been hangin' on threads, I been playin' it straight, ( "Judas! I don't believe you.")
Now, I've just got to cut loose
Before it gets late.

Something There Is About You

Right from the beginning line they've really got me. Again....Robbie's guitar playing and Bob's words.

Something there is about you that strikes a match in me
Is it the way your body moves or is it the way your hair blows free?
Or is it because you remind me of something that used to be
Somethin' that crossed over from another century?

Bob's lyrics and Richard's piano playing and Robbie's guitar playing on "Something There Is About You".

There are those who worship loneliness, I'm not one of them,
In this age of fiberglass I'm searching for a gem.
The crystal ball up on the wall hasn't shown me nothing yet,
I've paid the price of solitude, but at last I'm out of debt.

Can't recall a useful thing you ever did for me
'Cept pat me on the back one time when I was on my knees.
We stared into each other's eyes 'til one of us would break,
No use to apologize, what diff'rence would it make?

"You Angel You"

You know I can't sleep at night for trying
Never did feel this way before,
Never did get up and walk the floor.
If this is love then gimme more
And more and more and more.

You angel you
You got me under your wing.
The way you walk and the way you talk
It says everything.

"Forever Young"....known to be written for Jakob. Of course good writing is for all of us. I also really like the uptempo version.

May you grow up to be righteous,
May you grow up to be true,
May you always know the truth
And see the lights surrounding you.
May you always be courageous,
Stand upright and be strong,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

Planet Waves is an uneven recording but there are gems to be found as you listen to Bob letting us in as Robbie compliments his lyrics with a frantic urgency in his guitar playing throughout entire recording. Sometimes I feeeel so anxious just listening to their desperation trying to find some peace in the end.

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Peter V

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Empty Now

Subject: ...and talking of barbary

…I meant, all who followed my fascinating posts about Barbary piracy, noticed the practice that convert-captives [referred as “renegade” on the opposite side] are the heroes of the nation, enjoying a social position they can’t dream in Europe, imagine Norm the 1st Sultan of The Horn of Africa, what a lovely title in perspective

The Dutch Organ is called “Orgue de Barbarie” in French, that which makes you at the first level wonder about the Dutch-Barbary connection. People who are not palled by mental efforts would try to learn more and realize in fact that the French naming is linked to an organ-builder called Giuseppe Barbieri (1746-1806) who allegedly invented the instrument
According to Encyclopaedia Britanica, the origin of the barrel-organ is established on the basis of letters-patent published in 1615, and preserved in the archives of Belgium, appointing a certain Jehan van Steenken, “Meester van orgelen spelende bij hen selven” master of organs which play of themselves.

Steve: great post, very clever comments, I really appreciate thanks

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dlew919

Ok - hypothetical question. All of MFBP, the Brown Album, Stage Fright, TLW and the various editions of Greatest Hits are gone forever. All of Dylan, except Planet Waves is gone. Would you recommend 'Cahoots'? Would you recommend Planet Waves?

Just wondering. That's a question to everyone...

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Peter V

The only subjective bit in Tom King’s comment is “neither he nor the Band had the time to do their best work” because the general reaction at the time among critcs and fans was, as he says, disappointment. Causing disappointment doesn’t mean “This is bad”. It means “This is not as good as people were anticipating” and that was the mood at the time.

I remember it well. I still have the remains of the shrink wrap and cover stickers on mine, bought the first day of release. Like Cahoots I played it endlessly waiting for the miracle to come (sorry, I’m still thinking in Leonard Cohen song titles). It never did. It does sound rushed, and the only song I can see making it through to any double CD or triple CD of the Best Known of Dylan is Forever Young. I would personally place You Angel You on a “Best of …” but it’s not a “Best Known of …”. My reaction at the time was that I was hoping for a “Dylan and The Band” album, i.e. where the writing of Dylan met the craftmanship of The Band, as evidenced up to that point. What we got was a Dylan album, i.e. recorded fast, with The Band backing. There was none of The Band’s care. I don’t mean overdubbing, because one of Planet Waves pleasures is the “all playing at the same time” feel, but I do mean doing many, many takes to let the song evolve like “We Can Talk” had. I don’t think the playing is the problem, but the songs are weaker than (say) New Morning before it. If he hadn’t put out Pat Garrett, and had placed a major song of the time like Knocking On Heaven’s Door on there at the core, it starts to look more solid.

My surprise was “On A Night Like This” as the single with “Forever Young” relegated to the B-side. I like Planet Waves well enough, but as Todd says, it’s no Blonde on Blonde or Blood on the Tracks. It doesn’t have the impact of a different, unified sound that John Wesley Harding did, nor the song quality. Desire is one of the best for me, but we all have different Dylans. I like the swirling versifying stuff like Highway 61, Blonde on Blonde, Desire, Street Legal best. I always felt that Planet Waves lacked the “thin wild mercury” sound. In fact it had a bit of a thin sound, and that really surprised me from The Band.

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dlew919

The book I cited is a real book and author. There are those of you who will be interested to note that I was 10 in 1978 ... let those who understand, understand...

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Todd

Subject: Planet Waves

Like it says on the cover: "Cast-Iron Songs & Torch Ballads". I like Planet Waves. No, it will never replace Blood On The Tracks, Blonde on Blonde, or Highway 61 Revisited, but it has a certain charm to it, and I think that some of that is due to the fact that it was recorded in 3 days. It's a very pure sounding effort to me and I'm glad that the Band was with Bob during that time to help him record it. I think it stands up quite nicely along Dylan albums like John Wesley Harding & Desire. Quite possibly the fans and critics at that time were expecting something different from Bob....but he's never been one to predictably fulfill expectations....that's part of his charm. That time period was kind of a transition period for Bob. Planet Waves is a nice soundtrack for that and is probably a good representation of where Bob was at that time. Me...I was only seven years old at the time of Planet Waves. I was more than willing to cut Old Zimmy some slack.

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dlew919

The news that Herr Heidler was monorchic was actually examined in Lewis, D. The Secret Sex Life of Adolf Hitler, 1978. CErtainly the author didn't have the evidence which the Sun presents to hand, but there is a surprising amount of circumstantial and documentary evidence whihc leads one to the same conclusion... Enough of this - back to music.

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Lars

Subject: Rock Salt & Nails

DUNC- Thanks for the thought. There isn't a day goes by that I don't listen to Rock, Salt & Nails. It seems to be like some Band music that I never tire of listening to. "Acadian Driftwood" would be another song I'm completely hooked on.

My favorite bluegrass band is going to try to play "Daniel & the Sacred Harp" for the first time on Sat. at a bar gig. I have serious reservations, that's a pretty complicated song, at least to me. BTW, Sredni Vollmer named his son Danny after that song.

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Friend0

I've always loved Planet Waves.

Things are what they are.

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brown eyed girl

EXCERPT
The Operator
David Geffen Builds, Buys, and Sells the New Hollywood
By TOM KING
Random House
Read the Review

"I GOT YOU BABE"

"Dylan and the Band went into the Village Recorders studio in West Los Angeles on November 5 and banged out one of the quickest rock albums ever made. They finished the record, Planet Waves, in just three days. Ironically, it was Geffen's elaborate tour plans that boxed them into an impossibly short recording schedule, which resulted in an album that most critics and fans found disappointing. Dylan was still writing material in the sessions, and neither he nor the Band had the time to do their best work.

Geffen was too sidetracked by details of the tour to even notice that Planet Waves was cobbled together rather haphazardly. He finalized plans for Dylan and the Band to visit 21 cities, doing 40 shows in a 42-day period beginning January 3, 1974, in Chicago and closing February 14 in Los Angeles. If the dates sold out, the tour looked to be the most lucrative ever, topping other recent hot tours by Elton John, Led Zeppelin, and the Rolling Stones."

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brown eyed girl

You're so welcome Bonk and delaware and hudson. :-D

Twisted Tales: The Band's Richard Manuel Dances His Last Waltz

Posted by James Sullivan on Nov 7th 2008 5:00PM

"He had a voice like a hug," his second wife would recall.

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Fred

During my first year of teaching junior high in Japan, the school held a "Picnic Day"---the grade 7s & 8s went by bus to some far off park, while the grade 9s had to walk to a "nearby" park about 5 kms from the school. I had the priviledge of going with the grade 9s.

On the walk back (forced march was more like it!) I taught the kiddies to whistle "Col. Bogey's March". It was a rousing rendition which seemed to make the last few kms go much quicker.

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Peter V

If a British rock festival is called a "fayre" with that spelling, there is no need to worry about the salmonella from the burger concession. It will probably be vegetarian which is slightly safer. Correct dress: 1968 Incredible String Band T-shirt.

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Peter V

Jan, the tune is whistled in several war films, including Bridge Over the River Kwai. It was hummed or whistled by British Prisoners of War everywhere. we all know the words anyway, so you only have to whistle the tune. You can usually hear the tune at England-Germany football matches, but I noticed not tonight. During the last World Cup in Germany the England "band" which travels to internationals was threatened with arrest if they played the tune, which caused an incident.

I suspect The Sun was having its revenge today, as was the England team … we won 2-1 in Berlin with only two "guaranteed first choices" on the field.

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Joan

Another generation discovers The Band. Kudos to your Website Jan. You make this possible.

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Tamara Shadle

Subject: Awesome!!!!

thank you sooooo much for the info!!!! im writing a paper for my music appreciation class & found this site to be a HUGE help!!!

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Dunc

Subject: Jan

The great resistance movement of Norway still going strong. Long live the paper clip.

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Dunc

Subject: John Martyn, Levon Helm

Saw John Martyn on Monday evening. A great concert where he played the Grace and Danger album. A must for every serious music fan. Great musicians in theband.

After the album the penultimate song was a powerful rendition of Rock, Salt and Nails. I don't know you but I thought of you, LARS.

As Band completists know this is the track that Levon worked with Martyn on. 'Martyn stood on and sang soulful scats with his eyes closed. Helm sat on a stool across from Martyn, and rocked back and forth, tapping his fot and delivering a Delta drawl between long drags from a cigarette.'

Levon told the Chicago tribune: 'I grew up in Arkansas right on the river, so the way John voices music really hits home with me. It reminds me of all my heroes. It sounds like John Martyn, but at the same time I hear everybody from Muddy Waters to Otis Redding. I can even hear Bill Monroe in there.'

Great testemony. I feel good that I got into the Band and John Martyn as a young guy not knowing of any links at that time.

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jh

That triggered a few flashbacks... we were treated to an a capella version of HHOGOB by a choir of (seriously) stoned Somerset hippies in the early '80s. We all stayed in this big tent at some rural rock festival that I believe was called the Elephant Fayre, and the Norwegian contingent found the song so funny that we made our own version of it, replacing Adolf with domestic neo-fascists :-) First time we heard the song, that was, still etched into what is left of our memory.

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Peter V

Subject: Colonel Bogey

Fascinating story today from Britain's Murdoch press. It is entirely coincidental that England are playing Germany at football on the same day, obviously.

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Steve

After many generations my children are French/English, Canadian /American atheists. Isn't it wonderful! I'm hoping for some Asian or African influence in the next generation.

My father's side of the family is much more straight forward. In a word, Scottish.

The remark about spring was made before I had my morning dose of caffeine, I'm not sure what I was thinking. I went back and read it after your post and I'm still trying to figure it out myself. Maybe I was thinking of one of the battles for Fort Louisbourg. Sorry

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Landmark

Kevin, my sister was there and said it was great. She said he was livelier than in the past

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Empty Now

Westcoaster : i learned from Barbary Piracy that skilled sailors captives have a better altrernative : to convert and they immediately become the piracy chieftains, the local aristocracy

Steve : Thanks for replies and precisions – that exciting costume details, as well as the battle itself and Wolfe’s TB, the long run proved to be the core of the History of Universe. I was interested with languages, all that stuff is new for me, meanwhile i need to know which camp you are [linguistically speaking, and btw who were the good / who were the bad in the Plains of Abraham ?] I really don’t see what “til spring the following year” means
Talking of better alternative, and merging my two last days posts together, thus “English is a wonderful flexible instrument of human thought which is inculcated with muskets firings if necessary”,

Talking of convert, I read in “Evangeline, A Tale of Arcadie” by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Part the Second, Canto IV :
”Through the Sweetwater Valley precipitate leaps the Nebraska;
Over them wander the scattered tribes of Ishmael's children,”
Oh… en 1755 déja! ou alors Abraham of the plains hit biased cross-ref

Talking of skilled sailors, I just learned that the first man from the Old-Continent to land in CA was Giovanni Caboto (1496), they all were from Genoa, and they spoke Italian with a lot of Sabir extras

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Kevin J

Bob Dylan played "This Wheel's on Fire" last night in Montreal. I was not there but reports are that it was a very good show...............

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westcoaster

Subject: Ransom?

You mean.....nobody wants me back?? I'm going to work on finishing my other boat now.

I'm feeling whipped and beaten.

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Steve

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Landmark

Actually Joan, the Somalis taking Norm would be like watching an updated version of "The Ransom Of Red Chief". How fast before they say "enough already!'

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Steve

I don't know what the survival rates for TB victims was back then but it probably wasn't high. If he'd survived he faced winter in Quebec with a serious dose of lung disease. Certainly a painting of that death scene would have been far less inspiring militarily. Better that he went down on the Plains Of Abraham.

I wonder if his health problems influenced his daring but almost suicidal battle plan. If Montcalm didn't take the bait The British were surrounded and finished.

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Joan

DO NOT sail that tugboat across the Atlantic! We would have a hard time collecting the money to ransom you. :-D

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westcoaster

Subject: ARGH MATEY!!!!!

I can't help mentioning this. Piracy on the high seas?? The Somalies have taken in 20 million in ransome for the ships they have high jacked, and they have over 20 in captivity right now.

Are we going backward in time? ...or is it time to start loading all our guns agin?

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Peter V

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westcoaster

Subject: King Ganam

I remember King Gaman as well Bill. I'm trying to send you e mail with a couple of tunes right now. The damn thing keeps coming back saying it's over size limit. I don't know why. I've sent more than this before.

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Bill M

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delaware and hudson

Subject: articles and clips of the hawks/band

hey brown eye girl, want to thank you for all rhe links you put up about band/hawks.. i remember tiny tim miss vickie getting married on johnny carson show

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Bill M

Peter V: Interesting, to some degree, about the soldiers dealt with the plague of dysentry. Presumably the bekilted Scots had an easier time of it. While I believe that dysentry was also rampant in WWI, I don't recall seeing a reference to rampant pantlessness in the trenches. And that was before handy-wipes.

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Brien Sz

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brown eyed girl

Randy Bachman and Lenny Breau Connection and many more pages on Canadiana.......Lenny Breau was even on the Ed Evanko show in Winnipeg!

"At lunch today after a stroll by the water my companions and I walked pass the Westin Harbour hotel and noticing an older gent sitting on the wall outside we offered up our thoughts, Billy Connelly I said, Nick Nolte, the other said, but as we passed I looked into his smokey pale eyes and knew it was Randy Bachman... watching Toronto go by. So I says hey Randy, who you waiting on... is Burton coming? Naw, I didn't... I just walked past starstruck, Randy Bachman... some journo I am. Bachman is the ground zero of Cancon and he has issued some music from his Ground Zero, his pal and mentor, jazz guitarist Lenny Breau. Check it out here if you want to know what led the BTO and Guess Who founder where he would eventually lead us all. The recording pictured above features Rick Danko and Levon Helm(s) *Ouch!* of The Band. The lower is the cover of Randy's compilation and features a song about.... EMILY. Who is this mysterious Emily the Canadians sing about..."

ABOUT WILL MCGUIRK "William McGuirk believes that Canadian music will not feed the world but it will provide moments of digestive relief. Tears are not enough but sometimes that's all we have. That we are not here for a long time so have a good time and support local artists. He has been yelling in the wilderness for 15 years. He needs a home and has been dewormed. He's got 6,000 years of Irish in him so don't believe a word of it."

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Steve

Empty, Wolfe's victory didn't assure English would be the dominant language. That wasn't decided til spring the following year. The battle on the plains Of Abraham was just the last play of the first half.

After the halftime show and the Quebec City Winter Carnival the second half opened in the spring with the arrival of the British Fleet in the St Lawrence and then the winner was determined.

Yes Peter, it was that sappy Carly Simon version.

Brien, why make everything so complicated? Mr. Peabody and Simon take Madonna into the Way Back Machine et voila, she's on stage at the Last Waltz. Let the ass grabbing begin!

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Empty Now

Subject: Peter V

yes, it seems that Benjamin West introduced une premiere, please check out this other link above, it seems honest

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Peter V

The General Wolfe painting hung, in replica, in my school as a kid. I didn't know the bit about contemporary clothes being unusual in such a picture.

There are huge battle scenes in various Italian palaces, and I always wondered why so many of the soldiers were naked from the waist down. I thought it was just the personal taste of the painter, but no. A couple of weeks ago I read a description of the 1415 Battle of Agincourt. It said half the British archers were naked from the waist down, common in medieval armies because of massive attacks of dysentry. It's rather hard to believe and not a pretty picture, but no doubt will be reproduced in the next National Theatre production of Henry V in graphic detail.

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Empty Now

Subject: nothing serious

“Ugly, gangling, and tormented by agonizing illness, Major General James Wolfe was an unlikely hero. Yet in 1759, Wolfe's victory, bought at the cost of his life, ensured that English, not French, would become the dominant language in North America.”

from the editor note of “Paths of Glory: The Life and Death of General James Wolfe” by Stephen Brumwell (2006) – the complete book is available on the internet (google.books)

about “The Death of General Wolfe” painting by Benjamin West (1770) [linked] - an expertise by Dennis Montagna, in American Art Journal, Vol. 13, N 2, 1981, pp 72–88:
“West depicts General Wolfe as a Christ-like figure. This painting has a triangular composition, made by the top of the flag (as the apex) and the positions of the men. It resembles the painting of La Pietà, where Christ is held in the embrace of the Virgin Mary.
The depiction of the Native American warrior in the painting — kneeling with his chin on his fist, looking at General Wolfe — has been analyzed in various ways. In art, the touching of one's face with one's hand is a sign of deep thought and intelligence (thus Rodin's The Thinker). Some consider it an idealization inspired by the noble savage concept. On the ground in front of Wolfe is his musket, his cartridge box, and bayonet. Wolfe went into battle armed as his men were, although his musket was of higher quality. His dress is also of note. He is wearing a fairly simple red coat, a red waistcoat, red breeches, and a white shirt. Such dress was rather simple, especially for a commanding officer. The inclusion of Simon Fraser, Lieutenant Colonel of the 78th Fraser Highlanders (behind the Rogers Ranger, who is wearing green) is interesting, as General Wolfe had always spoken highly of Fraser's regiment, yet Fraser was not at the battle, as he was recovering from wounds received earlier. In the painting, Fraser wears the Fraser tartan, which was probably worn by officers in that regiment.
The clothing West depicted in this scene was highly controversial at the time. Although the event was relatively recent -- only eleven years prior -- its subject matter made it a fitting example of the genre of history painting, for which contemporary dress was unsuitable. During the painting, several influential people, including Sir Joshua Reynolds, instructed him to dress the figures in classical attire, and after its completion, George III refused to purchase it because the clothing compromised the dignity of the event. The work, however, eventually overcame all objections and helped inaugurate more historically accurate practice in history painting.”

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Peter V

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dlew919

You'd love the Grampians.

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L'ami de Steve

Hello Band fans!

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Pat B

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Charlie Y

Subject: Tiptoe Through the Basement...

That clip of "I Got You, Babe" by Tiny Tim and Eleanor Barooshian (of a group called The Cake) was apparently from Peter Yarrow's obscure movie called "You Are What You Eat."

So where did Tiny Tim wind up on the ROLLING STONE top 100 singers list? He seems like Jann Wenner's kind of guy...

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westcoaster

Subject: Bill - JT - Landmark

Of course back in the day, we were all mad for Muleskinner Blues. I'd like a nickel for every time I played that song. I'm sure you all must know the version of Old Jimmy Rogers.

Yeah Bill you got the names of the original Fendermen. I'm terrible with names. Jerry, looking back over those 60's Bands, I mentioned this quite some time back, but David Foster's first band here, "Skylark" did some great stuff. I'm not sure if you ever got in on when I gave Bill the pass to "Northwest Bands". Just google it, (if you haven't already.) It's a good sight, and with David Foster's Band, gives you insight about his time with Ronnie Hawkins.

If you guys would care to look, my brother Lorne's website is up and running now, althought not completely finished. Google www.lornejones.com and when the black line starts to move, keep watching, and see what it becomes. Then you get to hear Lorne do some picking. I don't think all his sound bites are working quite yet, but it's a good sight.

Bill I just got in and saw your e mail. I'll send you a note in the morning, with a couple of tunes off my, "almost finished CD" you can sample. Gawd damn, low down no good fucked up Fast Eddy has been gone on a road trip for six or seven weeks, otherwise, I might be finished.

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brown eyed girl

MINCING UP THE MORNING

A music video birthday blog.

Saturday, July 5, 2008

Robbie Robertson

"Happy birthday to Robbie Robertson, born this day in 1943! You can't really see him in this video, but he's with the Band in 1968, backing up Tiny Tim and Eleanor Barooshian's duet on "I Got You Babe." Bizarre!"

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Far East Man

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bob w.

Get with the program.

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Bonk

Subject: Brown Eyed Girl

BEG. Thanks for that. Been a while since I heard it. Awesome song, singer and drummer.

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JTull Fan

I can't think of a more boring voice. Snore.....

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Friend0

Cher: Kill it, guys! What the fuck, Robbie? Rick,save us all, and your deal.

No offense meant, but one scenario leads to another.

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brown eyed girl

Professors Robertson and Helm
LOCATION: College , Syracuse, NY
YEAR: 1991
TAGS: The Band, The Civil War, The South, The Last Waltz
PUBLISHED: February 19, 2008

"Nothing is ever black and white in this world. Shame on me for not knowing that sooner. And all praise to The Band for teaching me something new."

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Friend0

What I meant wasn't that singing the song had to be Rick's idea. Just that singing was Rick's territory. I doubt Robbie would have had to direct that, same as I doubt he would have directed the variety of singing activities (for lack of better wording right now) on any Band song.

I also meant that I thought Robbie would have wanted to sing Mockingbird with Cher himself.

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brown eyed girl

For Peter V....One of my fave covers of "What a Wonderfu" World by James Taylor/Simon & Garfunkel....from "Watermark".

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Peter V

Robbie: Wow! What an incredible coincidence, I recorded that with James and Carly just last week.

If it works for you.

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Friend0

"1974 too. That all fits together. it was released in March 1974 around the time the tour ended, so Robbie would have recorded it before the party, so I'd guess it was his idea to do it, with Cher and Rick Danko doing the James Taylor / Carly Simon parts."

Of course, Rick never could have thought of singing a duet on his own. But if Rick has to be cheated out of more credit due him, I guess this is the perfect occassion for it.

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brown eyed girl

Thanks for reminding us David P.

"Mockingbird (with James Taylor) - Written by Inez and Charlie Foxx, parents-to-be Carly Simon and James Taylor recorded this song while Carly was pregnant with her first child, daughter Sally. James Taylor wrote additional lyrics and an all-star cast including Dr. John, Robbie Robertson and Jim Keltner brought the song to life in the recording studio."

Happier times for James (whatever happened to his brother Livingston?) and Carly (family is of the Simon and Schuster publishing company). The same video I saw when it first came out. My fave song is still, "You're So Vain" and for Taylor it would be "Fire and Rain" and Carol King's "You've Got A Friend" sung by Taylor. I don't think anyone could forget his face on the cover of "Sweet Baby James".

Hi Pat! :-D

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Ari S.

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Brien Sz

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Peter V

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Peter V

I'd forgotten that, David. Yes, indeed:

Mockingbird (C & I Foxx)

Carly Simon, James Taylor - vocals / Dr John - piano, organ / Robbie Robertson - electric guitar /Jim Keltner - drums / Klaus Voorman - bass / Bobby Keys - baritone sax / Jimmy Ryan - rhythm guitar / Ralph McDonald - percussion / Michael Brecker - tenor sax.

1974 too. That all fits together. it was released in March 1974 around the time the tour ended, so Robbie would have recorded it before the party, so I'd guess it was his idea to do it, with Cher and Rick Danko doing the James Taylor / Carly Simon parts.

Steve … I have a feeling that the version playing in your head during the washing up would be that cover. I can't comprehend how you could dislike the Inez & Charlie Foxx original from 1963. I've been immersed in the Sue Story Volume 1 today "The World of Guy Stevens" and Mockingbird was the first release on the British Sue label. This is where we need our past resident soul expert.

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Steve

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JT

Of course, some of the members went on to bigger and better things. And some of them had good managers who were perhaps busy with bigger 'fish to fry'. But, I always wondered how the USA or UK would have received some of these of the 60s had they been there instead of here.

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JT

Bill M. I stuck to the 'names' but I have to tell you that there are some who made a difference to me. Here are some bands that made a mark (scar) on my brain. Richie Knight and the Midnights; A Passing Fancy (started as The Dimensions); Simon Caine: Jon and Lee and the Checkmates: David Clayton Thomas and the Shays/ DCT and the Bossmen; Luke and the Apostles; Mashmakhan (?spelling); The Sparrow;Little Caesar and the Consuls;The Paupers; The Ugly Ducklings. So many more. Oh, but with some management and direction and the right timing or maybe the right country, these too could have been there. What an enjoyable experience to remember those who went before and paved the way.

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bob w.

David P, too bad Madonna wasn't around then. She would have been perfect at TLW.

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David P.

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Joan

Subject: Ollabelle

Here is a link to a Philly radio station that will be broadcasting a live Ollabelle performance Nov. 21.

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Kevin J

Bill M: My friend’s life has turned out well. His mother is apparently living in Phoenix, still insane and still listening to Cher, no doubt.

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JQ

Albeit a novelty song I was pretty mad for their Muleskinner Blues as a kid. Another good version is Lonnie Donnegan's with Van M.

On Charlie Haden and covers of classics: his take on Poor Wayfaring Stranger from a few years ago is one the best, most emotive, I've heard.

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Peter V

Brilliant, Pat! They could have done that … Rick and Cher.

Good question, Bill. Had I been in Neil’s shoes, Cher’s. I think all the males should answer this one. The females can think … uh, let’s see … Neil Young or Neil Diamond.

While I was having dinner, I had the same thought asBill. Gypsies, Tramps & Thieves & Carny. Scorsese could have prompted some good stories out of that one, and think of it linking to either W.S. Walcott’s Medicine Show or Life is a Carnival. A natural. Alternatively she could have done “Half Breed” with Robbie singing, but it is an awful song and he didn’t get militant about it for a few more years.

It sounds like Robbie, Dylan & Cher had co-operated actively on planning the party, David. I’d doubt they just launch into Mockingbird in front of every label boss in California without rehearsal. I mean, Mo Ostin, Ahmet Ertegun, Jac Holzman … not a night to jam it.

On which, I was speaking to a guy today who worked at Leonard Cohen’s venue. He’d spent time asking the sound guys how come the sound was so brilliant. They said the norm was two hours band rehearsal PER DAY. It sounds like the Hawkins / Hawks regime.

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Pat B

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Bill M

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Steve

The other way she could have made it was if J2Rs had been working on an album with her at the time.

Could the boys actually have made it through, Bang, Bang or Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves? And of course if you're bringing in Cher, could you really leave Sonny out in the cold? A confession: When they sang together I usually had trouble telling their voices apart.

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Bill M

If you think about it, "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves" could easily be used to characterise our guys back in the day - in fact, if you listen to the promo voice-over on the bonus part of the "Cahoots" CD, that's pretty much what the guy says. Plus, Robbie's #3 Band song topic (after sex and trains) is carnivals / medicine shows - the less formal the better.

BEG: I wonder if you were at the same Fearing show at Hugh's Room as I was. Did he talk about taking the train to Montreal as a child (to meet the boat that took his family to Ireland), his already homesick mother taking her Lightfoot record with her for comfort? Fearing and the rest of BARK do a great job of covering Lightfoot on the above.

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David P.

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Peter V

The main issue might have been keeping Ronnie Hawkins in control.

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Peter V

On our previous bit, Geffen proposed to Cher.

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brown eyed girl

Thanks Kevin J. I had previously posted the youtube clip of Dylan and Gord but sometimes even I don't feeeel like googling.

Buddy Cage was born in Toronto and moved to the states a looooong time ago. He's now an American and I've never forgiven him. I guess he's not aware of Conrad Black. Buddy also told me about the time he first started with Anne Murray.....Let's just say that she was in the dark.

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Kristie

Have you ever been to the Grampians national park? I worked with a guy this summer who had spent half of his life there. He said it is beautiful. My favorite Gordon songs are "Steel Rail blues," "Early Morning Rain"(The line "You can't hop a jet plane..like you can a freight train" is one of my favorite lyrics ever)and"I used to be a country singer(Where curiously the woman in the song sings that her husband "used to yodel like Wilf Carter.")

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Landmark

Aren't the Fendermen famous for "Mule Skinner Blues"?

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Bill M

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Bill M

Hunting unsuccessfully for my McGillis notes from '78, I came upon my Hugh Brockie notes from '79. (Brockie was a member of Atkinson, Danko and Ford, with Hilton and Brockie, aka Bearfoot.) In the early '60s he was in the Saratogas with "... Tom and Bill Eccleston (later of the Fendermen), Butch McGillis. ... Went to LA ... and met Clarence White, Jerry Sheff ... joined them and went to work for Gary Paxton doing series of budget LPs. Did more LPs with Alshire - White, Sheff, Brockie. Returned to Edmonton. [Ronnie] Hawkins put together group: Brockie, Brian Hilton, Dwayne Ford, BJ Cook, Steve Pugsley, David Foster. ... Everybody but Ford, Hilton and Brockie left. Jim Atkinson, Terry Danko joined. Atkinson, Danko and Ford left Hawkins and recorded LP. Hilton and Brockie stayed on with Hawkins - Stan Szelest and Terry Pitts in band. Sandy Konikoff replaced Hilton who joined Skylark [with David Foster and then-wife BJ Cook]."

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Kevin J

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Landmark

Also love Gord's version of "just Like Tom Thumb's Blues".

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Kevin J

As to favourite Lightfoot songs: Summer Side of Life, Canadian Railroad Trilogy, Early Morning Rain, If You Could Read My Mind – 20 or 30 others but I would have to take the time to look then up.

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Ilkka Jauramo

I thought that I had already got over that I never managed to be Ph. D. in literature science. But NO!!! Ph. D:s have the right to nominate the candidates. I could have been able to nominate this gb, the first in the internet... (sigh)

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westcoaster

Subject: Correction

I meant they got into the ROCK SCENE......gawd damn proof readers.

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westcoaster

Subject: Evan Kemp's Band

Bill: I know of those guys, Len Ryder was from Abbotsford. I played music with Evan Kemp a couple of times at the old Roberts Creek hall on the Sechelt Peninsula. We lived at Roberts Creek when I finished high school. (My folks lived there 35 years). The Roberts Creek Hall was a popular place for dances and many, mostly country bands came there.

But when I met Evan, and because of my mother he called me up to do some songs a couple of times. This was early 60's, and those guys were gone. They had gotten into the country scene with Hank Smith in a Band they called the "Rock a Tunes". I think it was around '58. I was still in school.

The original two guys (I forget their names) of the "Fendermen" quit. So those guys were offered the job. They quit Hank Smith up there in Alberta, and took the job. I don't think it lasted long tho'.

I just e mailed you a picture of Evan Kemp. I've had it so long, I don't even remember how old it is. I think he gave it to me there, at Roberts Creek.

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Steve

JT mentioning Moxy Fruvous opening for Dylan reminds me of Moxy member, Jian Ghomeshi's, take on the two shows they opened for Dylan at Massey Hall.

He said he was so excited to see Dylan's show up close and was NEVER so let down by a performance by any artist, though he may never have attended a Sly show. He said Dylan just sucked the first night, little to no effort was put into the show.

The reviews in the Toronto papers the following day basically expressed what he'd felt about the show.

Ghomeshi says Dylan must read his press because the next night his show was absolutely superb, it was like he was trying to make up for the first night's lack of effort. I think the show was in the mid to late 90's.

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George

Subject: A fan to a fan

Hey hey guys, I'm George from Caroline Records and were offering very limited edition Japanese mini-vinyl CD releases from The Band catalog at amazing low prices while supplies last. These highly collectible import editions are usually $50 and more but between now and the holidays you can pick them up for less than $20 (which makes them affordable for fans outside the US too) from Amazon or your favorite music source! Details at: http://www.carolinerecords.com/releases/japan_mini_album.asp The Japanese did a great job recreating the original LP art! so from a fan to a fan... tust me when I tell you this is a must buy :)

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Peter V

I confess I hadn't thought about it seriously or worried about Cher and Greg's babysisters etc, but I don't see why Cher at TLW is ludicrous. As unexpected as Neil Diamond, maybe, and the link is thin. But I imagine Cher and Rick Danko performing Mockingbird and having a lot of fun and adding some levity to the evening. it would have to have been better than Joni's first two numbers (but not Coyote). It would have reinforced the soul band aspect which was missing among the guests … you know, a Lee Dorsey or a Levi Stubbs would have shown that missing side. Mockingbird would have done it just as well. Rick excelled at soul covers (even if in my opinion the originals weren't bettered), Mockingbird would have been unexpected. They could have played it … a great one for Levon's drums. Personally I'd love a tape of it. Remember how well Cher did The Shoop Shoop Song (It's In His Kiss) later.

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JT

BARK (Colin Linden) I stand corrected and humbled, Bill M but it is an honour to be so humbled by the dean of Canadian content on this site and probably in many other places. I forgot (I think I knew that once, having read about all of them when I first heard their first great cd)...it's hard to be 60!

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Bill M

David P: "Tin Can Alley" would be, as far as comes to mind, Amos's last foray into Robbie-style guitar for many many years. Though to hear his first such foray you'll have to search out the second 45 released by the Dirty Shames (a chunk of which evolved into Cat Mother and the All-Night Newsboys).

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westcoaster

Subject: Wilf Carter & Taller O'Shea

Well at least you knew who he was Bill. I first met Wilf Carter in 1950, when I was 6. My mum had befriended him some time before. Mum took my two older brothers and I to see him at the old Elks Hall in Courtenay. When he took a break, he came and talked to mum, and bought us a bottle of pop. He shook hands with me, (he was a big fellow), my little mitt disappeared in his big paw.

We became quite good friends. Wilf's daughter Carol's birthday is the same day as mine, I believe she is a year younger. At that meeting Taller O'Shea was playing drums for Wilf. About 1975, when I played a lot of weekends in the Sechelt Legion, (I grew up there, and owned a home there early 70's), Taller O'Shea came and played there with his band, and I played some music with him. This was at least 25 years later.

Last time I saw Wilf Carter was about 1957, with Hank Snow at the Queen Elizabeth Theater in Vancouver.

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David P.

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Todd

Subject: Haden Family & Friends

Charlie, Yes the Bruce Hornsby track is another good one from the Charlie Haden CD.

Bassmanlee, yes this is the same Charlie Haden as the jazz bassist. In fact Pat Metheny is one of the guest artists. Apparently Charlie Haden’s parents had a radio show in the 1940’s and Charlie started singing with them at the age of two. He was known as Cowboy Charlie. Charlie’s singing career was cut shot due to Polio as a teenager, which affected his vocal cords. He does some singing now and sings on one track on the new CD, but doesn’t consider himself to be a singer. I suspect he’s just being modest, as his rendition of ‘Oh Shenandoah’ is very moving. He went on to become a jazz bass player in college after hearing Charlie Parker and falling in love with jazz.

When I first heard this CD, I thought that Charlie Haden and friends would be a good guest for Levon to have at a Midnight Ramble. Maybe that could happen someday…I’m pretty sure that Pat Metheny lives in the Woodstock area.

The link above is to an NPR segment about the project with music samples. You can also hear the album streaming at www.hadenfamilyandfriends.com

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Bill M

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bassmanlee

Adam, the one and only Hungry Chuck LP is, IMHO, well worth it. It's quirky and really can't be categorized. A buddy of mine picked it up when it came out on the basis that (1) the cover (rumpled clothing hanging in a wardrobe) reminded him of the Bonzo Dog Band for some reason, and (2) it had Peter Ecklund on it. We knew Peter from his playing with David Bromberg. The lineup is stellar if somewhat obscure, with Amos Garret (guitar) and Geoff Gutcheon (piano), N.D. Smart (drums), Ben Kieth (pedal steel), and Jim Colgrave (bass) and joining Mr. Ecklund (trumpet). Among the better songs are "Old Thomas Jefferson", which sounds like each member took turns writing couplets, ending up with a bizarre stream-of-consciousness history lesson, "Play That Country Music" ("I play that Country music, I play a Country part but deep inside the Blues is in my heart"), the cautionary "Hoona Spoona", "All Bowed Down", and Bobby Charles' "Down South In New Orleans" segueing into the fade out of "The Funky Lunchbox". ("Why, there's people in here! And they're dancin'! Now they's taking food out of the lunchbox, and they's throwing it on the floor!") It's a period piece for sure but it's got a twisted sense of humor rarely found in music these days. Highly recommended!

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David P.

Adam: That Hungry Chuck album is great! I still have my original LP copy, so I never bought one of the expensive import CD versions. Too bad this group, a spin-off from Ian & Sylvia's Great Speckled Bird band, didn't achieve more recognition.

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Bill M

JT: I like your list - especially the more obscuros. But BARK's 3/3 Canuck: Fearing was born in Vancouver, moved to Dublin as a child and moved back as a young adult; Linden was born in Toronto, moved to NY state as a child and back as a young teen; Wilson was born in Hamilton and never left.

Speaking of Anne Murray, did anyone see her CBC special on Saturday. Guests included Emmylou Harris, Jann Arden, Nelly Furtado, Celine Dion and a couple of others I can't recall.

Peter V: Thanks for the updated lost-tapes article, which I just noticed in the What's New section.

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Landmark

In honour of JT's listing and previous Canuckistani Top 5 lists that I used to pass on, I've included a link to a perennial entry of that list. I hope it takes, if not go to Youtube and look up "When I Die" by Motherlode. It also hooks into a previous thread of people picking songs for funerals. Myself, I have no choice nor would I care. After all, There's not much I could say at that time is there?

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JT

OK. It may have been done before. But, with Gord's birthday, I had to make a list, in no particular order, of my favorite Canadian music performers. (in all cases, I put my money where my mouth is by buying and owning almost all of their cds or lps - in the old ones, often both and even some tape cassettes). Where they currently reside is of no consequence to me Leonard Cohen The Band (everything domestic and more) Robbie Robertson (on his own) Rick Danko (has to be considered on his own as well) Richard Manuel (ditto) Neil Young McKenna Mendelson Mainline Rhinoceros Kensington Market Gordon Lightfoot Ian and Sylvia Stephen Fearing Blackie and the Rodeo Kings (Ok..2/3 Canadian) 54/40 Bruce Cockburn Joni Mitchell Metric Emily Haines and Soft Skeleton Broken Social Scene Feist Hot Hot Hot Stars Arcade Fire Tragically Hip Alanis (yes. The first album is a blockbuster and I liked it from the start and even with overplay, it still hits me as authentic) Sarah McLaughlin BTO Randy Bachman (on his own, jazz album great) Cowboy Junkies Ronnie Hawkins (yes; we adopted him even though he's a southern boy) and his bands Jeff Healy Band (how I miss Jeff, a gentle man) k.d. lang Men Without Hats Rough Trade Blue Rodeo Chilliwack David Clayton Thomas Daniel Lanois Rush Loreena McKennitt The Box I'm sure I've forgotten some that others will be quick to add. Like Sloan and the Odds and all the newer other Montreal bands and a few out of Winnipeg and how much I don't know from the east coast (like Great Big Sea) and Barnie Bentall and his band and oh yeah Brian Adams. There are other big stars like Anne Murray or CD (but not on my list because ... well... you know...you can't have likes without dislikes) who I admire for their success. And the Pursuit of Happiness has the best name and was also a good band. Moxy Fruvous once opened for Bob Dylan. Regards to all.

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brown eyed girl

Ollabelle photos from a former Band poster....Crabgrass who has a gift for capturing moments and then adds to those moments as only he can. :-D

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brown eyed girl

The Operator: David Geffen Builds, Buys, And Sells The New Hollywood
By Michael Farkash
Publication: The Hollywood Reporter
Date: Tuesday, March 14 2000

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Empty Now

Subject: Re : Ilkka Jauramo - part II

As long as you dream on what Mr. Martti Ahtisaari will negociate, i try to refine perception of reality, from what i know peace was agreed by both camps in 1993, that which I called on day in the GB with words like “idle phase of a conflict which is implanted in the depth of the collective soul of people from both camps”

Re : Nobel Prize in Peace 2008 -=- Nobel Prize in Literature 1953
During the Nobel banquet speech in Stockholm, on December 10, 1953, Göran Liljestrand, Member of the Karolinska Institutet, made the following remarks: “In the past, several prime ministers and ministers of foreign affairs and even two Presidents of the United States have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Now, for the first time, a great statesman has received the Prize in Literature. But Sir Winston Churchill is a recognized master of the English language, that wonderful and flexible instrument of human thought.”
on November 18, 2008, Empty Now replies in The Band GB “Keep your English instrument flexibilize thought s, but let it to a human language to procure any wonderful pleasure” ….as for the linked song, it seems moving, looks like a beautiful anti-lost-war-song - isn’t it Ilkka ?… in a verse he says “El Alamein” , what could it means ?
OK, OK, I already goggletranslatored it [wink]

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Steve

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dlew von 919 de Holstein et Luxembourg et Monte Carlo

Anyone who doubts she can sing should hear her do 'Walkin' in Memphis' - that most brilliant of Marc Cohn Songs. I suspect I'd prefer Rick and Cher doing Mockingbird to Carly and James....

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Peter V

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Peter V

Charlie, page 227 of the Tom King "Geffen" book. It's true. But I'm still not sure about that Tiny Tim rumour! Mockingbird is a tantalising choice of song … I can see Rick Danko doing it well. I'd bet a "birthday present tape" exists but that only David Geffen has one.

Next question then … Cher might have been a TLW candidate! It would at least have shifted some of the knee-jerk plaid-shirted reactions to Mr Diamond. Actually, I think Cher is grievously under-rated in the rock snob sense, but she's sold a hell of a lot of records, so doubt that she loses sleep.

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dlew919

Thanks for that info - what a great night it must have been. You can never have too much Garth in a night....

Ilkka - this IS my real name. The 919s are a long established Australian famille, sunburnt as the country from which we were forged ;-)

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Adam

can anybody comment on the 1972 Hungry Chuck album? I really want to have a copy of this, but there are no sound samples at all on the internet. I'd like to hear at least a bit before I spend the money on it.

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CR78

Subject: Garth at Ramble

Wow - nobody posted about Garth playing the Ramble at Levon's this past Saturday??? Holy &^$^! In typical Garth fashion, he shows up just in time for the last few numbers. Hopping up on a barstool, GH made the crowd drool with a tasty Accordian solo on Sahpe I'm In - and they closed with the Weight. What more can you ask for?? And let me tell you, Levon smacks that snare drum as hard and precise as he ever did - GOOD STUFF!!!!

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Charlie Y

Subject: Charlie Haden...and Susan Tedeschi

Todd: I got the Haden CD because Bruce Hornsby's on there, and I found I enjoyed most of it.

I caught another great Susan Tedeschi show last night at a half-filled Birchmere. I guess between a Redskins-Cowboys game, a bad economy and "regime change" coming to DC, people stayed home in droves but they missed a great evening of music at a bargain prince. James Hunter seems to be opening act at half the shows I see anymore and he and his band delivered their usual punchy performance. Tedeschi's best moment of the evening caught me completely by surprise--a cover of "For No One" that made me appreciate the orginal by The Beatles but love her version just as well.

Peter: I think you made up that story about Dylan and The Band singing with Cher. Next you'll be telling us they recorded unreleased tracks with Tiny Tim. God bless us every one...

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Mike Nomad

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Peter V

I posted this a few years ago.

Robbie and Dylan were trying to make it up with Geffen after the tearful evening at the end of the 1974 tour. They set up a surprise birthday party with Cher. The room was set up like … a carnival of course. Anyway, the music segment of the evening consisted of Cher and Dylan duetting on All I Really Want to Do, backed by The Band. Then Cher and Rick Danko duetted on Mockingbird before ending with Dylan on Mr Tambourine Man. Now there's an almost certainly unrecorded moment for The Dankettes!

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brown eyed girl

Some Ollabelle photos.....© 2005 Pierre Jelenc

I was wrong nomadic Mike. I also really dig Gordon Lightfoot's "Early Morning Rain" and "Carefree Highway". Dylan digs him so much that he gave him an award. Was it for a Grammy or....?

Sarah McLachlan envisioned Lilith Fair and did it!

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Peter V

Another example of why records don't sell. Lyle Lovett. Excellent reviews on friday and saturday topped with a four star review in The Sunday times. But Borders UK don't have it on their stock list. Yet again, as I say every couple of months, you can get fantastic reviews from major publications, and it means absolutely nothing to the big chains, whose central purchasing dept never looks at a music publication or daily newspaper.

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brown eyed girl

Thanks Dan. Did everyone know that the biggest Gordon Lightfoot fan on this site is none other than the nomadic Mike?! My fave song has always been "Sundown." I bought "Beautiful. A Tribute To Gordon Lightfoot" on sale in a NYC music shop that was going out of bizzzness.

"Robbie Robertson of The Band declared that Lightfoot was one of his "favourite Canadian songwriters and is absolutely a national treasure."

I really enjoyed Ollabelle in NYC (Amy sang Dylan's "You're A Big Girl Now" just for me. ;-D), Joisey and Toronto. I had a feeeeeling you'd notice the post Todd. :-D At the Toronto show.....Rollie's pal Tony Furtado was on tap as well.

Some other Canadian performers...
Robert Goulet
Sarah McClachlan
Holly McNarland who Robbie should have promoted instead of Dana Glover.
Gino Vannelli for Fred

When I saw Louuu the last time and he performed "Small Town" he asked us if it's so great to be in a small town (I guess Toronto is small compared to NYC) why do most people want to leave? He mentioned Joni Mitchell and Neil Young. Doesn't he know that four of The Band members are Canadian? I was dis...appointed there Louu! Maybe that's also why Joni and Neil have their own stamps but our boyzzzz as Bill M would say don't! Ouch!!

joe j's part of town would showcase Great Big Sea and Rawlins Cross.

Jean: I don't think Anka had to work if the didn't want to after he wrote "My Way". Sid Vicious did it his way too......

Hi NB and Westcoaster! I'm embarrassed to say that I still haven't started my reports....but my manic side will see me through I'm sure. lol

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Jean

Paul Anka! (apologies if someone already did)

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westcoaster

Subject: Montana Slim

Jeez Youse guys. You start with all the Canadian stars, and leave out the first, and one of the biggest. Inducted into the Nashville song writers hall of fame. GAWD DAMN it!

Then being as y'all are east of the Rockies yuh leave out Brian Adams. Like him or not he is one of the biggest in the world, never mind just Canada.

Ian Tyson every one should know is from this island, along with David Foster, who is now the president of CBS Warner, or what ever the hell it's called. I can't keep track.

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David P.

Another legendary Canadian musician is Hank Snow, who hails from Nova Scotia. Following the spirit of his most famous song, he moved on -- south to Nashville.

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Peter V

JT, you forgot to mention Leonard Cohen or k.d.lang.

But lose some, win some. You also forgot to mention the vocal prowess of William Shatner.

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bassmanlee

I've not heard the whole disk, Todd, but I have heard a few on Slacker or Pandora. I admit I took a double-take when I saw the name. I'm assuming this is the same Charlie Hayden who plays jazz with folks like Pat Methany? It is a folksy sounding affair, although I think I have only heard tracks with the family and not any of the guests. RE: hard drives. Unless you spring for a robust RAID array, (or better yet redundant servers) there ain't no such thing as permanent storage on hard drives. There are forensic outfits that can retrieve data from FUBAR'd drives for a price. But if your primary Windows drive goes south, before you panic, hook it up as slave drive to another machine. Often the stored files are fine - it's the boot segment that's been trashed. Brings to mind the NPR April Fool's prank a few years back in which they did a piece on the Library of Congress backing up CDs to 78 RPM disks on the notion that this 'lo tech' playback would still be technically feasible long after current data formats were ancient history...

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JT

Dan : You reminded me since I'd been noting performances that I had been to in the 1960s that I saw Gordon Lightfoot at Massey Hall in or around 1967. We said we were from our highschool and had press passes made and were allowed to go backstage after a great show. Gord was very cordial and positive after a great show as a trio. We saw him in a unique light. With Ian and Sylvia and the upcoming Neil Young, he was already star quality. Yorkville was a haven of folk and despite its pleasant shopping nature currently, it was then a row of coffee houses (just like NYC's Cafe Wha and others etc.). Gordon Lightfoot has remained a treasure and has (unlike others) not deserted Canada for greener pastures (neither has Ian Tyson, who I believe has a ranch in Alberta). For a large country with only a few people per square mile, (or should I say meter) we sure have put out a lot of musical talent. From the boys from Simcoe and Southwestern Ontario and Toronto's Cabbagetown to the Toronto gang to the British Columbia/Vancouver types to Ottawa's Alanis to Winnipeg/Toronto's Neil to the Guess Who (who sang about American pulchritude) to Bruce Cockburn to Steven Fearing and Blackie and the Rodeo Kings to Sloan to .... I should stop now. Ask Bill M. (Even the Paul Schaffer - from Thunder Bay, no less; he's done alright) It is quite stunning when you consider it all. Happy Birthday, Gord. Time for a(nother?) tribute.

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Dan

Subject: Birthday Of Another Great Canadian Musician

Gordon Lightfoot turned 70 today.

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JT

Hi Bill M. re: "Top 5". Don't worry, Bill M; The humour was not lost on me. My post was my post. It may be ' at least in the top 5' to you. Others may hate it. That's ok too. But I'll take your accolades even with a humour base because laughing is what it's all about. I get up in the morning and if I see myself in the mirror, I "Smile and Wave" and say "This is a good day!".

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Peter V

An excellent turn of phrase. It sounds like the cover blurb on a Duane Eddy album, but it fits.

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Todd

Subject: Charlie Haden Family & Friends

Sounds like a good strategy Brien. Regardless of a chosen back-up system, the key issue is redundancy.

Has anyone heard the Charlie Haden Family & Friends CD ‘Rambling Boy’? I picked it up about a month ago and have been enjoying a lot of the tracks. It a similar approach to Levon’s Dirt Farmer in that it’s a family affair type of album drawing on a good deal of older Americana type songs. The difference (and minor weak spot) is that the Charlie Haden CD relies on the special guest component a bit too much. While this results in some nice performances, it also detracts a bit from the cohesiveness of the project as compared to Levon’s CD which has most of the same characters throughout the album. There’s even a performances of ‘Single Girl, Married Girl’ featuring the Haden Triplets (Charlie’s daughters). It’s well done, but I seem to gravitate more towards Levon’s version if I had to choose one of the other. It’s got a little more funk as compared to the Haden version which is loaded with twang.

Standout performances on the Haden CD are ‘You Win Again’ featuring Elvis Costello, ‘A Voice From On High’ featuring The Haden Triplets, and ‘Road of Broken Hearts’ featuring Ricky Scaggs. The only real clunker on the album is a manic reading of ‘Old Joe Clark’ featuring Jack Black. Jack Black is married to Tanya Haden and was probably added to go with the family theme, rather than his Americana singing chops, but it’s the only track that really seems out of place.

Overall, it’s a very nice album, but the large variety of special guests seems to water down the cohesiveness a bit. I find myself skipping around to various tracks rather than playing it through as an album. The tracks that work best are when the Haden triplets: Petra, Tanya & Rachel harmonize together.

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Brien Sz

I've had issues with dvd's and cd's failing. A few over the years just went ka-put. Don't know why but several of them just wouldn't read anymore. So now-a-days I tend to not backup on that medium. I will as a triple or quadruple check but not as a sole source. The other limiting factor to me is that there isn't enough room on them to make it that viable.

I have 5 external hard drives. When i back up, I put the info on at least two of them. Top priority stuff goes on three or even four.

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Bill M

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Kevin J

New York Dolls: Friendo’s mention allows me to once again suggest that folks run out and rent “New York Doll”. Even for those that did not like the Dolls……trust me on this one……simply one of the best music related dvd-docs ever made.

Funerals: I have this thought that at Peter’s funeral ( 30-40 yrs from now ) that someone will turn and say “Not sure what this music is but at least the bloody service started spot on time!”

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Todd

While I don't miss film processing on a large scale, I do miss the wonder of printing a B&W negative in a darkroom and watching the image magically appear under the glow of an amber safe light as the print is developed. I know that it's just a simple chemical reaction with the silver in the paper, but it's a lot of fun. There's something calming about standing in the dark in front of a six foot sink in the dark shuffling prints through the various trays of chemicals. Even better with good music playing. Somehow the glow of a CRT doesn't produce quite the same effect.

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Peter V

The thing that marks photography and adds to the excitement - especially on film - is the unexpected play of light or human expression. The anticipation of seeing the result dies somewhat when you've checked it all as you've done it.

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Ilkka Jauramo

I wonder why some people ( for instance Peter Whilney, Norbert Crusoe, Charlie Yokel, Jan Hydroelectric, Dave Zucchini and other anonymous cowards ;-) don't post in their own name here anymore. Now there is only me and Mr. Now Empty who has the courage for doing so.

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Empty Now

Thanks,

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David P.

Robbie was signed to Geffen by A&R man Gary Gersh, who also helped recruit Nirvana and Counting Crows to that label. He previously worked at EMI and was a longtime fan of The Band and Robbie. Later, when Mr. Gersh became president at Capitol, Robbie signed a deal with his former label.

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Empty Now

Subject: pidgin hit

Chérie je t'aime chérie je t'adore (FR)
Como la salsa del pomodoro (IT)
Ya Mustapha, ya Mustapha
Ana bahebak ya Mustapha(EG)
Ça va chérim faila attaarim( ??)
Éronquérim matché éma hatchim (**)

The linked version of this is song in particular can be considered as a historical documentation of the cosmopolitan polyglotic era in the Egyptian city of Alexandria

saw it on the oficial lyrics transcript, the English chorus is supposed to say 0 :51\

Where my live oh guest oh guest Yes my love, Oh guest oh guest (UK)

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Todd

Very true Peter. In 1992 I had been managing a lab and decided to quit that and make the jump to full-time photographer. It was a scary decision at the time to trade steady employment for freelance work (and that was before digital technology was big factor). But in retrospect, it seems that I made the right decision. Of course the decision was based on my interests rather than financial considerations…it was more of a calling in actuality, but I’m glad that I’m not at the lab today wondering about the future. There are days when the freelance photography gig seems a little bleak, but most clients eventually need new photos, and things pick up.

The backing up issue is the one of the reasons that I still tend to shoot personal work and family photos on film. My client jobs shot digitally tend to get backed up and files are delivered to the client who (in theory) also backs them up. If I shoot personal photos digitally they tend to go to the back burner. Shooting film for personal work forces me to get prints made, and then I have the film and the print, and sometimes scans, and I worry less about hard drive failure in regards to that. I read somewhere that paper is still one of the most effective back-ups available. In 50 or 100 years someone will still likely be able to pull out a print and look at it (even though some fading is a possibility). CD’s DVD’s & old computer hard drives could likely end up in the dumpster long after the funeral music has been played. Of course paper won’t stand up to fire or flood very well, but most computer back-ups won’t either. Not many people are disciplined enough to maintain separate ongoing offsite backups although that is always recommended. I suppose however, that people who are not professional photographers, don't have as many files to wrangle, and maybe the backing up and archive management is not as big of a task as it seems to me.

So the lesson for today is, even if you shoot digitally and back things up properly, get some paper prints made of the really important images and put them in a box for future generations. Your kids and Grand kids will appreciate it. Those daguerreotypes are still viewable today, but I’ve read that even some NASA & government computer data from decades ago is unreadable on today’s technology.

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Ilkka Jauramo

Subject: Nobel Prize in Peace

Thanks Mr. Empty for pointing out that Mr. Martti Ahtisaari (former President of Finland) will receive The Nobel Prize In Peace. I know that he has done some good in your continent, too - in Namibia, that is. My dream is that he will negotiate the peace between the state of Israel and the Palestinians. I voted for him for The President of Finland for a several years ago AND I AM PROUD OF THAT! Politically he is social-democrat and he has worked for United Nations.

Some academic linguistics, especially for Peter V: "Martti" is (of course) the Finnish form of _Martin_ and "Ahti" is the ancient God of the sea and fishing in Finnish mythology. "Saari" means "island". So his name in English is something like "MARTIN THE GOD OF THE FISHING BANKS"

Remember that you learned this from this great web site :-))) You are free to use this exclusive information. Hey, that's what this bloody internet is all about...

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Peter V

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Todd

BEG, Thanks for the link to the Ollabelle article with the Fiona interview. Plochmann Lane, thanks for the link and the news about Glenn's new baby. Also, congratulations to Fiona & Tony on their marriage.

Calvin, I hear you re: the joy of maintaining an E6 processor. As you say, without a sufficient quantity of film, it's tough to maintain the quality without adequate chemistry replenishment and monitoring. So it really does become a losing proposition. Some years ago, when I worked in labs, every Friday was rack cleaning day, and we'd be up to our elbows in processor racks dripping with various chemicals. Yeah, we had rubber gloves and lab coats, but it wasn't uncommon to have developer running down one's arm at some point....great way to start a day! As much as I enjoy shooting film, I don't miss the processing end of things at all. And I can't really complain too much. I certainly hadn't been holding up my end of the deal by supplying the lab with a regular quantity of film. Although I held out as long as I could, economic realities dictated otherwise. Once clients realized that with digital things could be turned around faster, there was no turning back. To stay competitive, everyone adopted digital.

I've heard about a lab in San Diego that I might try. Of course that means shipping film back and forth, but they also offer up high res-scans at a reasonable price. Could be the best of both worlds, with the exception of the extra time added. Not good for jobs that have a tight deadline (most of them these days), but it could be good for longer term projects.

The upside of digital is that it put control back into the hands of photographers, and every part of the process from concept, to capture, to processing could be controlled by one person. That's what Brien was referring to when he said that he could create many different looks from the same capture. At the end of the day, the real important elements of photography are composition, lighting, and the decisive moment. The capture device; whether it's film or digital does not define a good photograph. I've taken crappy photos in both formats, and great photos in both formats. I suspect it's similar in music. Good tools in good hands can produce good results....regardless of the technology.

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Peter V

I haven’t bought the new Philip Norman on John Lennon, but I did flick through in a shop to check out Alan Williams, and the new Lennon book has something on the drummers stories.

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Bill M

Assuming the dear departed was near or past his or her use-by date, how 'bout "Rockin' Chair"? Or, staying in Woodstock, there's always "Drop Kick Me Jesus" for those of less secular inclination.

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JTull Fan

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Steve

Gotta go, I've got Barack on hold. He calls once a day or more for advice. I'm trying to wean him now that the election is over. I only promised to help get him into office.

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Bill M

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Steve

Joni spends a couple of weeks every September, sometimes the whole month, in BC. She paints and visits local Sechelt art galleries, she's particular to The Blue Dot and one of the Gibson ones, can never remember if it's Gibson's Public on or The Landing. Sorry about that, we here at SNN take our responsibility to keep people informed about what's going on in their own back yard quite seriously.

Norm, you don't say! Joni orders beer and drinks beer because she likes beer. Thanks we'll put that in our files in case someone ever asks.

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Bill M

BEG and PEUJ: Thanks for the links to the Richard Manuel film.

NB: Don't know who the former Downchild Blues Bander might be. The lineup was never very stable for the first 20 years, so there are tons of guys who passed through - plus one woman, who, like three of the lead singers, has since died. The only constant in the group, aside from the name and the repertoire, is guitarist / harmonicist Don Walsh, who, with his late brother / lead singer Rick, were the model that Dan Ackroyd used for the Blues Brothers. The fact that the Blues Brothers recorded a couple of his tunes is a good part of the reason why Walsh gets to spend much of each year in Florida on his boat. The others, not so much. (Sound familiar?)

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brown eyed girl

I attended our New Wave Fest in the late 70's or 1980 at Mosport. Amazing day with Elvis Costello, B52's, Pretenders, etc. The following year....I think therefore I am....in Oakville we saw Iggy Pop, (not a gram of fat on his body and he just moves and dances erratically with so much energy that he made the young performers think they were the oldies act), Oingo Boingo....just remember their name but not their music, etc.....

I would have really liked to have seen The Cure. Smith's lyrics and own deprecation, humour, and extreme sensitivity are so evident in his music. Some say Louuu was the godfather of punk so maybe Robert wore make-up in honour of him.

When I saw The Clash at the CNE stadium they performed with reggae group Black Uhuru (means freedom). When I was a completist I bought all of The Clash's music but now that time has passed I've only kept their recordings from "London Calling" and downloaded faves from their previous recordings and then sold the CDS for about 5.00 each.....The same with The Sex Pistols. I do like hearing what Lydon has to say about anything.

At Massey Hall I saw Mink Deville (as well as at The Edge or Edgerton's as venue changed name) with NIck Lowe and Elvis Costello and I still can't get over how Willy (very macho persona but his lyrics tell another story) in the papers would cut up the way the others were dressed. Willy! LOL

Yeah, the punk/new wave scene was my time. The artists at the time who rocked against racism and who were drawn to reggae (rebel music) spoke my language. In University at the time we'd also listen to Gang Of Four, Talking Heads, Ska music with The Specials in particular (check out especially the extended version of "Stereotypes") and then outside of these groups we'd listen to what Linton Kewsi Johnson who is a dub poet had to say.....of course before all of this since the mid-seventies I discovered Marley's roots reggae on my own and have never looked back since.

Ollabelle and more info on Fiona McBain (congrats to you and Tony!). Thanks to Crabgrass I met this Band. All members were friendly but I had a special connection with Glen 'cause we're both Canadians but there was something else....

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UltimoDenyo

Subject: keinplan

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo059rdUG8g go on check this link,great entertaining. support german backyard wrestling!

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gail

Subject: mb a unusual request sheet music for Nantcket Sleighride?

just got a Yamaha grand keyboard, looking for sheet music of some of my favorite songs, searched for Nantucket Sleighride one one my favorites but cant find a book or sheet music ... saw bass/keyboard in one discription of the song.. is thi song available...to play at home Thank You

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Peter V

Bloody hell! A few years back we talked about establishing a Band Fan's Old Folks Home (possibly at Big Pink) and spent a few moments wondering about the Tuesday afternoon singalong where we all tried to remember the chorus of The Weight, but now we're planning our funeral music.

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dleTw919

NB, and Norm (an Boy?) - as one who is full of crap, I promise to try and tone it down, if it means both of you come round a bit more. signed The utterly dishonourable, non-revered Ductor dlew919, Ph D. (Phoolish Dimwit).

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Northern Boy

I know, I know. Usually when you read my posts it's "WHAT the heck is NB talking about ?" but for once I'll throw a "WHO the heck is NB talking about ?" at you just to mix things up a little. As I've been telling Stevon Farm for 1.5 years now, it's very important to be unfunny on a whole range of topics, not just one, as this makes for a far more impressive resume. (It's actually been the key to most of my success and I've shared it with very few people.)

Anyway, my puny, pudunk yet picturesque town actually boasts five really decent bands. Based on population, it should have maybe only .5 good bands, or possibly 1.5 good bands at the most. One of the bands plays regulary at the Yale Hotel in Vancouver, which has over the years featured all the great international blues acts.

Another of these bands has a dude who was with The Tragically Hip, or was at least in their early days, but left them just before they went BIG (which was certainly Tragic, if not Hip, on his part). Anyway to make a long story even longer, his group played a festival last summer and performed "Flip, Flop, Fly" popularized (in Canada at least) by The Downchild Blues Band, but I think it came down from maybe James Cotton. My friends' group related to me that after their set a guy came out of the audience, and was all teary-eyed in a good kind of way 'cause they had played "one of his songs". Turns out this audience member had not only been part of Downchild but had also originally been a Hawk. My friend didn't recall the man's name and I wasn't able to supply him with it. The man, I'm told, seemed to have some kind of physical impairment (maybe Parkinsons). He probably had played guitar in his day. I'm sure this question would be a no-brainer for some of you (Bill M., JT etc.) but throw the answer my way if you see this as I wouldn't mind supplying my friend with the name of the fellow who approached them that day. Thanks.

Norm: I'm with you on the crap and am finding it easier to spend less time here myself. NB

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dlew919

The Sex Pistols appeal to younger folks, generally: the anger, the angst, the so called anti establishment (don't get me started on THAT!)... once you hit about 23, 24, it's like the Doors - you start (or at least I did, and my friends), to look for more mature music. Hence, a more mature taste...

that's what I was trying to say.

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dlew919

I meant 'over 25'... dammit... thanks for pointing it out, though.

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Friend0

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Calvin

As for post-punk, funny how different places call it different things. In the US the bands you mentioned were called New Wave, post punk referred to Husker Du, Bad Brains, Mission of Burma, The Cure and the Killing Joke-much harder than what you were referring to.

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westcoaster

Subject: Joni Mitchell

I just took a glance in here Northern Kid, after a few days absense, cleansing my mind from a lot of the crap!

Joni Mitchell has for many years owned a great deal of property in Sechelt Inlet. I can't tell you whether she lives there or not. She spent a great deal of time there for many years.

She used to, ( not frequently) come into some of our watering holes in Sechelt, and have a beer, (she likes beer) and occassionally want to play a tune. She was never stuffy or above anyone. She was usually quite amiable. Except that, she of course is a real tree hugger.

Sechelt is a heavy duty logging town. She never got a lot of support, except from the yankee draft dodgers back in the early seventies. Those years, from late sixties to 1980, the Sechelt Peninsula was a heaven for yank draft dodgers. When I first saw her hanging around there. So she never got on with a lot of people there at that time......Now a days, who knows????

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NB

Subject: Bonk

I don't know the Sutcliffes at all Bonk. Am I correct in thinking that Joni Mitchell lives, or lived, on Salt Spring Island ? If I've got that part right, then you may also have seen a group at your pub called The Blue Vodoo, out of Vancouver and possibly Canada's best new blues group. Ring any bells ? (I have a true Joni Mitchell story connected to those guys, one of whom is my neighbour's nephew). NB

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Bonk

Subject: Northern Boy

Yep. Been a West Coaster for 15 years now. Caught a great cover Band at Moby's Pub last night called THE SUTCLIFFE"s If you close your eyes it's the early Beatles all over again.

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Northern Boy

Subject: Bonk & Kristie

Hi. Unless I'm mistaken, you two are fellow British Columbian posters. If you're out on the island (or in the interior) the following will be of little use/interest to you, but here goes anyway. The "Fathers and Sons" tour makes a pit stop at Capilano College in Vancouver on Sunday, November 30. It will include Amos Garrett, Jim Byrnes, Steve Dawson and Doug Cox. I'll have seen them two nights earlier in the wonderful small venue at picturesque Harrison Hot Springs, thirty minutes from my door. In between they'll have squeezed in a gig way the heck up in Whitehorse. I suspect it'll be a real winner if you can get to it. NB

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dlew919

Great article, again. Thanks as always to Jan.

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dlew919

I noticed that quote as well: while I love certain punk bands (mostly the US ones - the Ramones, the NY Dolls, hte Minutemen - I could handle the Clash (UK, I know) - the movement died pretty quickly and I preferred the post-punk movement - Costello, the boomtown Rats, the Pretenders, Talking Heads, Blondie (till it evolved into Duran Duran, Culture Club, Adam and the Ants and all of that...)

And yet here we are, thirty years later, still watching and discussing TLW. When was the last time anyone over the age of 25 played 'Never Mind the Bollocks'? Good music never dies ...

Funeral music? I think I've said this before, but my funeral, since I won't be allowed to have 'Why don't you all Get F*cked' by Australian Band Skyhooks (the first song played on iconoclastic* public radio station JJJ in Australia):

the Weight - with the Staples - the movie version

Skating away (on the thin ice of a new day); Jethro Tull (though Life is a long song tempts me)

Little Wing /n Derek an dthe Dominos (though I'll take the Hendrix version)

Lawyers Guns and Money (if only for the line 'Dad, get me out of this)

Now I'm getting silly again...

*iconoclastic: in the Australian sense, trying to be cool, yet really being exactly the same as the commercial stations, yet with a disdain for 'popular' or 'good' music...

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Bonk

Peter. You seem to have a leg up or some kind of inside info on books pertaining to the music industry and why certain things are deleted or just not mentioned. Here's one for you thats been bugging me for a few years. Tony Bramwell wrote about his experiences with the Beatles which was pretty in depth, but in Macca's autobiography I think he mention's him once. What gives? Was Paul pissed at him? Just wondering.....Bonk

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Peter V

Precious time would seem hugely inappropriate for a funeral … "she's gonna die some day" etc, and also "You know you're only king for a day" might seem a sneer at the deceased. I can think of a couple of Van instrumentals that would be good. Lyrics are always a problem as people latch onto two lines and forget other bits of a song. Best to stick to "Jerusalem" which seems played at every wedding and funeral I've attended. How it stretches for both I don't know, but it's a bloody good tune and everyone knows it in England. And it leaves a warm (but phoney) patriotic glow.

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Northern Boy

Subject: TLW/ Van/Why Punk Happened

(Hi Peter). I too enjoyed your article very much. Just wasn't sure what you meant near the end when you said something to the effect that at TLW, in doing the electrifying version of "Caravan" that he did, Van had stripped the song of its pretensions. The "It's Too Late To Stop Now" version certainly is a high point on Van's double-live album, as you pointed out. The Moondance version is tame in comparison to the other two, but I'm missing whatever pretensions it may have. Not disagreeing, just curious.

(Hi Joan). Ditto on the Ebert review. Did you notice the other review of the TLW Re-Issue written on the same day, also in The Chicago Sun Times ?

"But the handful of good performances (Joni Mitchell, Paul Butterfield) are overpowered by the awful ones (Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Eric Clapton, Neil Diamond). Ever wonder why punk happened ? Watch this film again, if you can stay awake."

Speaking of Van, Randy Bachman did a thing a while ago on his CBC Radio programme: songs people would like to have played at their funerals. Completely undestandably, The Band's version of "I Shall Be Released" got emailed in and played. (I turned up my radio, cause I know it's got soul). Less understandably, Van's "Precious Time" got played. While a very good song, it struck me as little bouncy for a funeral. Also the recurring lyric "precious times is slipping away" struck me as a bit moot if you're already dead ie. it's already slipped. Just an observation.

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Mike (Plochmann Lane)

Subject: Congrats to Ollabelle members!

Congrats to Glenn & his wife on their new baby boy (born Nov 13th) & the new marriage of Fiona & Tony.

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Peter V

Thanks, Joan. It was written way back, for the re-release of the movie, then that issue got filled with stuff on the latest Van album and it got put back. Then I revised it a couple of years ago, and again it got put back because of other news, and it was due for next month's final issue, now sadly gone, as the magazine is no more. It's a pity, because it carries reviews of every Van gig in about twenty years. We never got that many here!

Many thanks to Jan for putting it together with such a fine choice of illustrations so quickly.

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Steve

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Mike Nomad

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Empty Now

Subject: continued

Ay ay ay kin hamelou
Hadj Guillaume sawad saadou
Ay ay ay quelle triste année
Tout le monde il est mobilisé
Y’en a des morts et des blessés
Les autres ils sont dans les tranchées
Ay ay ay kin hamelou
Hadj Guillaume tiah saadou
Y’en a la classe des dix huit ans
C’est pas des hommes c’est des enfants
Ils sont partis aux Dardanelles
Ils ont laissé les Madmoiselles
Hadj Guillaume Hadj Guillaume
Telaa lesma bla seloum
Le Français il est mahboul
Kifesh eddir maa had el ghoul
Ay ay ay kin hamelou
Hadj Guillaume c’est un salaud
L’Allemand a mis un casque pointu
Pour te donner des coups de tête
Avec un sou dix cacahuètes
Hadj Guillaume il fait la fête
etc…

this is the most common rendition, imagine the tune. Alternate versions exist as the one i’ve heard with a verse mentioning Waltzing Matilda which btw let you imagine what the Dardanelles meant for those who were there in 1917. Untranslatable lyrics, mostly Sabir. Entitled author unknown, year of registration 1914 , from what i am learning, it seems that the song was “recooked” on a draft dating from the Prusso-French war of 1870, as well as a much less successful cover version has been heard by the early ‘40s (hadj Hitler replacing Hadj Guillaume) eh oui sometimes a song just owe his aura to the sounding of a name, it loses its essence even if you sing it Hadj William

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Joan

I enjoyed your article on Van. I only have one question. Was Roger Ebert watching the same movie I saw?

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brown eyed girl

Thanks to tim for the heads up re Richard Manuel's upcoming Doc and to PutEmUp for providing the quick link.

While Kelly says the film is "very early on in production," he hopes it will be ready to enter in New York's Woodstock International Film Festival in October, 2009.

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Friend0

Well, you and Angie must be really good friends Mike.

For you to accept Peter's Moderator impersonation, and then, bend over and grab both your ankles and apologize, well, need I say more?

Especially when noone was fooled. Apparently Angelina woke up yesterday determined to start trouble. You, glad that Bumbles reappeared, took heat for no reason. Angelina, who was way out of line, well, we all ignored her.

I guess if Jan wants to allow Peter to play Moderator, that is Jan's business. Soon Peter will be telling Jan "fuck off", "I'll delete you", "I''ll ban you." He's already come close.

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Friend0

Truth is, I can't see where I can accept anyone portraying any of The Band members.

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brown eyed girl

.......more info on the Richard Manuel Doc.

I knew that JT. Lucky you, lucky you!

Thank you Mike "Nomad". :-D

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Friend0

Subject: MORE Richard Manuel Movie Info

And it's interesting to see Peter's good friend Serge Daniloff has been interviewed for this movie.

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Friend0

Subject: Richard Manuel Documentary

Tim, link with info on the film is above.

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bob w.

For Beatles fans.....

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Tim

Subject: rchard manuel movie?

dont get here too often these days, does anyone know about a richard manuel movie?

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JT

Angelina I'm glad to say I was there..Jan 10, 1974 row 10 0n the floor.

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Mike Nomad

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joe j

Subject: Jigs and Reels

Sunday morning tradition in the Jennings household: Jigs & Reels on Radio OZ. Give her a listen why don't you.

Life is so fuckin good.

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Friend0

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brown eyed girl

This is to date the only live performance by Bob Dylan of 'As I Went Out One Morning'
Written by Bob Dylan
Performed by Bob Dylan and The Band
1/10/74 Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I asked him a question JT. He didn't answer but Bowman made a comment. I was also trying to make a point. Although I've always been most drawn to Robbie.....I will post something negative if it's true. Having said that....I still dig his emotional guitar playing, his rebel lyrics in his solo work and his personal drive and commitment to new learning experiences.

Clint Eastwood's film yesterday "The Changeling" was very well done. All actors were in the groove. Some parts were difficult to watch as in the story of Frances Farmer but still a must experience.

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JT

Angelina : I think it must be difficult to run around the world every day and show up at these signings and have to be 'on' at all times. JRR, like all of us, is human with moods and feelings. Some days your cool and others you'd rather not talk much. Basically, he's a good guy. I always said, like so many have before me, that I'd rather not meet my heroes because I didn't want to be disappointed.

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Peter V

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JTull Fan

Very interesting stuff I am following out here regarding David Geffen and The Band. It reminds me of the final days of the Beatles, when Allan Klein was brought on by John, George, and Ringo, and Paul wanted his brother in-law to manage things.Not an exact parallel, but similar in that it is a divergence in business preferences among the groups exascerbates other fissures bubbling beneath the surface. Robbie probably could have put up with a few more years of the 'Endless Highway' had he gotten his way of working with David Geffen, and although John would have quit the Beatles anyway, Paul would not have jumped the gun on him and the bitterness of the first half of the 70's may not have existed among The Beatles, possibly leaving them amicable enough to regroup at some point. By John Lennon's death, he and Paul were on much better terms, and the four Beatles public disputes after the breakup were much less artistic than about personalities and business, with business being the prime aggravator. Beatles Anthology only occurred after the business disputes were finally put to rest.

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Mike Nomad

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Peter M.

All the time...

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Friend0

Peter. Here is the paragraph typed by your lead off batter this morning.

"When rozzz started posting I was not enamoured with some of her vulgar posts. For some reason I was never a target of those posts or any personal nastiness as well. As time rolled on she grew on me.....If she's going to be banned because of those kinds of posts or some posters don't like what she posts about four band members but when she posts disapprovingly about Robbie....well.....who cares there?....then Jan H why are other posters who also post in a vulgar fashion allowed to post? The same applies to Bumbles.......Yes, he could be nasty concerning one band member but there are other posters who can be nasty about one other band member as well.....so what's the difference? Well everyone knows......and since it's not our site I guess we either accept inequities or we protest or go on strike! Or....we could all have an exclusive band site where only those that agree with us post or they're easier to manipulate, or it's understood that we don't post about one particular band member unless it's to crucify him. I bet Jan H is now rolling his eyes thinking what's up with brown eyed girl today? I'm just expressing my opinion that's all. I've never emailed with rozzzz...I did email with Bumbles a long time ago re Louuuu mostly. :-D "

Your post to Mike Nomad could lead one to think that you think that Mike Nomad typed that.

That paragraph, all to do with Grudges & Personalitys, is an excerpt from Angelina's post.

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Peter M.

Subject: this GB

Just remember, kids, we're ALL Band.

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Peter V

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Mike Nomad

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Calvin

As someone who has owned a couple of E-6 Processors over they years, let me tell you-they are a major pain in the ass.

While it is relatively easy to maintain good plots on C-41, RA-4 and B&W Processing machine it is so much more exacting to run an E-6 Machine.

The big problem now is instead of running 30 rolls of E-6 a day you will run 2-3 a week-meaning the chemicals have no activity and tend to "go bad" and literally harden around the racks. I've tried running a few black rolls through a day but it eventually becomes more cost and trouble than it is worth.

I mentioned this a week or two ago, but the new Lucinda Williams album is incredible, as is the Daniel Lanois. Those two along with Escoveda's Animal and the Magnetic Fields album have made it a very pleasant year.

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Empty Now

Subject: Hadj Guillaume - continued

Yes Ilkka may the circle be unbroken, how about the Nobel in Peace

Finding a somewhat reliable document about the fascinating story of a WWI bawdy song I evoked lately, I was about to post something like,

“Around a fountain, a group of children was formed, they intoned in choir one of these Sabir songs arisen from the war. This song “Hadj Guillaume” spread from the first days of mobilization in the Arab district of Algiers. Soon on the quietly ironic lips of the natives, it fills the Moorish cafes, the streets and the public gardens of the city, and it obsessed our ears so well that we saw Israelites in stores, Spanish of Bab-el-Oued, as well as French school pupils to adopt it successively. It spreads among all the Arab population of the department up to the desert, and among berbers up to Bougie. It reigns in Tunis, at the point the Israelites circles claim its invention, as in Constantine, where they consider it autochtonous. But we know that, with zouaves and infantrymen it already rang everywhere where we fought, on the Tripolitain forehead, in Belgium, in France, in Salonique, in Palestine.”
Transl. p. 82 from “Saada”, by Elissa Rhais

Actually, I am every time stunned how some tunes rapidly touch all the people all the time, and they last too. That’s what I planned planed to post
then I realize that it’s perhaps worthier to post something about the story of this Rhais famous writer who used to sign her name with an “X” read the link if you have time to waste

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brown eyed girl

Hey Bumbles! Al Green just started "Call Me" as I saw your post! Don't ya just looooove Al! I'm old enough....or as you've said....I'm of a certain vintage that I was able to see him live.....at a Reggae Fest at Lamport Stadium, Toronto in the mid-eighties!!!!!!! Actually I think we're around the same age.
Is there any possibility you could post without bashing you know who?....Some of his songs on his latest are priceless! As far as The Band no longer being.....I'm with you there.....no reformed band no combo of Band musicians....could ever be....The Band!

More photos of Fabrizio Poggi e Garth Hudson. Btw Fab has written a song "Angelina" for his Angelina. Fabrizio Poggi & Chicken Mambo Song for Angelina (roots version)....Garth isn't on this one.

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Steve

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Bumbles

Bumbles doesn’t think he’s been banned, BEG/A.

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brown eyed girl

.....and noooooo. I still haven't started reports!

Maud Hudson

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brown eyed girl

Since Canadian Jann Arden and Jackson Browne have been mentioned recently....Here they are singing "Unloved".

Kevin J: Joe's cover of Robbie's "Out Of The Blue" can be found on his 1994 recording "Have A Little Faith". I first had his cover downloaded and then I bought the recording at Rochester, NY's House Of Guitars 'cause "Angeline" was on it as well.

Also in this store is a CD of "Big Pink" and Robbie has it signed. I wanted to whip it off one of the standing posts so bad.....but I only took a photo. I do have a photo and a couple of books signed by Robbie but the biggest high I ever received from him was the very first meeting.......I was buzzzzzing for a month! The second time he didn't have a meet and greet.....not cool at all Robbie...and the third time when I finally met JT.....He wasn't friendly like he was before. I noticed he talked with JT as I was taking a photo of both of them. I can understand why as his late Dad owned one of the joints that The Hawks played at. I wish I was older JT!!!!! The only thing I can think of why Robbie was giving me the coooool breeze was that I had a photo I took of him at Indigo Bookstore in front of one of the books I had him sign and he didn't like the photo.....very possible!

When rozzz started posting I was not enamoured with some of her vulgar posts. For some reason I was never a target of those posts or any personal nastiness as well. As time rolled on she grew on me.....If she's going to be banned because of those kinds of posts or some posters don't like what she posts about four band members but when she posts disapprovingly about Robbie....well.....who cares there?....then Jan H why are other posters who also post in a vulgar fashion allowed to post? The same applies to Bumbles.......Yes, he could be nasty concerning one band member but there are other posters who can be nasty about one other band member as well.....so what's the difference? Well everyone knows......and since it's not our site I guess we either accept inequities or we protest or go on strike! Or....we could all have an exclusive band site where only those that agree with us post or they're easier to manipulate, or it's understood that we don't post about one particular band member unless it's to crucify him. I bet Jan H is now rolling his eyes thinking what's up with brown eyed girl today? I'm just expressing my opinion that's all. I've never emailed with rozzzz...I did email with Bumbles a long time ago re Louuuu mostly. :-D

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Friend0

Elliot randall is auctioning off some of his guitars.

See link above.

Westboaster, Elliott is a born and raised NY guy. Musta been a mistake.

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Brien Sz

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Peter V

What is frightening in the last few years is how incredibly fast old technology disappears. I noticed this last week. I was looking for a Christmas TV show of The Office from about four years ago, and was leafing through our DVDs which were made from our TV hard disk recorder. I went through them … not there. It was on VHS video tape. Video is SO dead now, totally gone from the shops, and that's about four years (and it's been gone for nearly three!)

Cassette took about twice as long to disappear, but film has gone in such a short time. I had a digital camera about seven years ago, but used film as well. Then film just went … stores stopped stocking it, processors are dropping it.

I don't think blu-ray or enhanced CD formats will do that because they're "polishes" on existing technology rather than a total switch. But if you think it took ten years for 45 rpm sales to catch 78 rpm sales, and in the UK twelve to replace it totally, things are accelerating alarmingly.

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Brien Sz

Friend0 - maybe not everything of today is the best but certainly not everything of yesterday was either. And believe it or not, at one time everything you deem precious was new technology at one time and done for profit and some other old crochedy mother complained that it to was the devils spawn. Again, just like the dinosaurs, there point of view went extinct as will yours..., Now jut out your bottom lip and skew it to the side, crinkle your face and say - "GAWD DAMMIT -Bring back the Daguerreotype. It is the only truly GAWD DANG way to shoot a real photograph."

Again, not to say everything current is best but it is today and personally I like to try and live in the present and look forward to the future. Living in the past is sad and pointless. You use it for reflection and learning.., not living.

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Peter V

Bonk, not quite. The Geffen bio states that Robbie was seen as the route to Dylan, but also that Geffen genuinely admired The Band. Robbie and Dominique Robertson went to Paris with Geffen and Joni Mitchell, and it recounts a conversation where Dominique asked Joni to stop continually playing the guitar while they were talking.

This info all comes from Tom King’s book, and the source can only be interviews with Robbie.

Bob certainly seems to have liked Geffen well enough initially. The problem was sales of Planet Waves. Geffen got it to number one, and sold 700,000 but had promised a million. Dylan couldn’t figure out why they’d had 20 million ticket requests for the tour, but sold fewer than a million albums. He wouldn’t accept that people had come to the concerts to see the old material. Dylan went cold on releasing Before The Flood on Asylum, but Tom King says:

There was an incident at the end of the last show of the tour in LA, where Dylan praised Bill Graham for organizing the tour, but failed to mention Geffen, who had thought of it and employed Graham. Geffen burst into tears publicly. He says "the other members of The Band rolled their eyes at Geffen's emotional outburst" but Robbie was the only sympathetic one. Robbie dragged Dylan along to apologize at Geffen's office and they took out a full page ad thanking Geffen.

“Robertson felt a moral obligation to give Geffen the album they had promised. ‘We said we would do this, let’s do it,’ he told Dylan and other members of The Band.”

Dylan remained reluctant and explored the idea of a TV / mail order campaign without a record company at all. (Probably a very good idea nowadays, but maybe mail order records weren’t as established then.) Then Dylan went to Clive Davis at Columbia, who said mail order would cheapen the image, but that they would distribute it for Dylan if he “did it himself”, i.e. started his own label. They put this to Geffen who went apeshit,.

A peace meeting was set up at Rick Danko’s house in Malibu, with Geffen waiting in one room, and Dylan and The Band in the other. Robbie was the only vote for staying with Geffen, the other five were against. There was a heated argument with raised voices and Geffen heard Robbie say “OK, fuck him. Don’t give him anything!’ Robbie had been arguing for Geffen in fact. Geffen left the house feeling betrayed and said that Robbie “had broken his heart.”

It all turned out to be about money, and Columbia and Asylum then had a bidding war which Geffen won. But Geffen felt that Dylan & The Band had reneged on a deal, and cheated him.

END OF PRECIS OF TOM KING’S BOOK

It strikes me having typed this out, that at this point in 1974 it was absolutely clearly Robbie versus the rest of The Band in business. Dylan … who knows where his intersts lay, but it sounds as if he was basically playing Geffen for more money.

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Friend0

Friend0: Life goes on but things dont taste as good. Or sound as good. Or feel as good. And it doesn't have to be that way. A industrial or technological development, which is always termed "advancement" as a way of packaging, does not have to be good. The same terms, industrial development and advancement also apply to food (you've all heard the term industrial farming, industrial food sources, commercial food sources,etc, etc).

If, a big if, the world had been or can become a place where profit is not the overriding factor ( and this is one of the things that I like about Obama, he talks about sacrifice), then the quality of products can be more important than how profitable. And so often, new means more profitable. A big profit in compact discs was the rush of consumers to buy old lps on cd. Plus there was the big price hike initially.

Absolutely Todd, you can understand that the lab has to make an economic decision. And they held out as long as they could. The decision can't be an easy one for them. If they were that good, they truly loved the work.

My point is that when these low quality but profit raising developments arise, people embrace them on their way to the slaughter. If consumers were not so Gawd Damn easily duped in to thinking new things are better by defintion or virtue of beinbg newer, quality products and services could remain viable.

Digital is, and always will be, the devil.

Smoking a crack pipe was known as sucking the devil's dick.

From this you can infer two things Friendo has taught you today.

Digital is crack to the ears and eyes.

The spawn of the digital dick will be the son of Satan.

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Todd

Subject: Catching Up - Analog Music - Analog Film - Live Ollabelle

Brien, I recall reading around the time of the 2000 remasters, Robbie talking about the bass heavy sound they favored during recording sessions, which had to be dialed back during the mastering for the original vinyl LP technology, to avoid not only the chance of the needle jumping out of the groove, but the resulting shortening of play time which could be presented on an LP side. Wider grooves = fewer minutes available. Robbie makes the point that the digital/CD technology enabled them to present more of the full bass sound that was present on the original recording. That’s probably one of the best arguments that I’ve heard in favor of digital technology in spite of other compromises in the other areas that may exist.

Brien again; considering your recent post about the wonders of Fuji Velvia film, you might appreciate this. I shoot mostly digital now for jobs, but still favor film for my personal work. Today I went to the lab that I’ve been using for E6 Slide film processing since 1993, and there was a notice at the front counter stating that due to the lack of film processing volume, they would be stopping E6 slide film developing effective TODAY. I had two rolls of Fuji slide film to drop off. It was mid afternoon, and they were about to shut off the processor for the last time and drain the chemicals. I begged and pleaded a bit, and they agreed to run my two rolls. It’s kind of an odd feeling, knowing that I was their last E6 slide film customer. They’ve had one of the best Pro-Labs in Connecticut for the past 20 years or so, and even though they’ll still be processing B&W film (for a while) and doing scans and outputting display prints digitally, it still feels like a huge loss to me (even though I can appreciate the economic realities of their decision and I only shoot a small percentage these days on film). Just to give non-photographers an idea of the close relationships that photographers have with their labs; when I was doing a week-long shoot in Arizona a few years ago, I would Fed-Ex my film (large format) back to the lab in Connecticut after each day of shooting, rather than processing it locally. I guess the feeling I had today is like going to a favorite restaurant, and finding out that they’ve take some of your favorite dishes off of the menu. Oh well, life goes on…

Dlew & Kevin J, Thanks for the mentions the other day/week. There are many reasons to come here, but I never really figured that I would be one of them….so thanks! One of the things that I’ve enjoyed, starting many years ago and that attracted me to this site was reading reviews of shows that I wasn’t able to get to. I’m glad that I’ve been able to occasionally provide that for others. I think that both of the recent live Ollabelle CD’s are fantastic and showcase the dynamic that exists in this band and presents another side of them in addition to their studio albums. Hearing them live opened up new possibilities for me in how their music was presented and enabled me up to experience their studio albums with a fresh perspective and to hear things that I may have missed the first time around. So for anyone who may have only heard their studio albums and not quite gotten what Ollabelle was all about, their recent live material may fill out the picture a little more.

Ollabelle at Merlefest is an 8-song set that immediately preceded Levon’s set at Merlefest in April 2008. It’s essentially Ollabelle unplugged, and really gets to the core of their sound, which is centered around their vocal blend. Acoustic guitar, upright bass, mandolin, snare drum, Dobro, and a wash of pump organ is the core of the instrumentation, with some accordion thrown in to keep everyone honest. Dirk Powell sits in with them on fiddle and mandolin. It’s one part mountain music, one part basement, and one part old time religion. I’m pretty sure that it was one of Amy Helm’s first gigs on the road after the birth of her baby in February, and from the sound of things, it seems like she enjoyed getting out of the house and wailing a bit. There’s a lovely version of ‘Crying Heart Blues’, and a lively ‘Before This Time’, which closes out the set. The version of ‘Ain’t No More Cane On The Brazos’ has Ollabelle’s mojo all over it, while respectfully acknowledging the Band’s influence and flavor. Highly recommended for anyone who enjoys undiluted American roots music.

The most recent live Ollabelle album titled ‘Before This Time’ is comprised of performances from three shows, including some tracks from a Midnight Ramble. This CD presents a pretty good feel for what an Ollabelle show sounds like, and is more fully instrumented than the stripped down version from the Merlefest show. Full drum kit, mandolin, acoustic and some electric guitar…full compliment of keyboards..pump organ, piano, organ, and a unique instrument that Byron Isaacs actually built, which he calls the “Hydra Lap Steel”. It’s got two necks. One neck has six strings and the other neck has four bass strings and is played on the lap with a slide. The bass sound that you hear on Soul of a Man is actually produced by playing the bass strings with a glass slide. Guests include Larry Campbell on electric guitar on a few tracks, Levon double drumming with Tony Leone on one track, and some of the Midnight Ramble horns which includes Steven Bernstein on trumpet, Erik Lawrence on sax, and Amy’s husband Jay Collins on sax on a few tracks.

This album shows off more of Ollabelle’s jazz & soul influences as compared to the Merlefest CD. Glenn’s keyboard improvisation combined with Byron's funky “Hydra” playing on 'John the Revelator' is stunning IMHO and the fact that all five members of this group sing, is used to it’s full potential. They embrace the vibe of a good jam band, while never losing control of the song, or missing the point. There’s something for everyone…Grateful Dead fans will enjoy their version of ‘Brokedown Palace’, Little Feat fans will enjoy the New Orleans flavor of ‘Looked Down the Line’, and Band fans will enjoy the version of ‘Ain’t No More Cane’ and comparing it to the Merlefest version. The thing I enjoy most about their version of 'Brazos' is that they take turns singing lead on the verses, which echoes the spirit of the Basement Tapes version. They completely reinvent ‘When the Saints Go Marching In’. What started as a Heritage Hall Dixieland jazz standard has been transported to the swamp….dripping with humidity, layers of Wurlitzer, thuddy toms, smoky saxophone and hushed voices. When Amy channels Mavis Staples on the line “Lord I want to be in that number, when our leaders learn to cry”, it will give you a warm chill… if you have ears and a pulse. It seems particularly appropriate given the recent political climate of the world…..powerful stuff.

If you can only get one Ollabelle album, and want to get a feel for what they’re all about, then “Before This Time” is a great place to start. Aside from the great performances, the recording quality is excellent and it’s mixed well. In many ways, this is the album that I’ve been waiting for, ever since I first saw them live in 2004 at the Living Room in NYC.

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dlew919

Makes me think that in an alternate universe somewhere, we all hate the Band as corporate shill sellouts ('God, that Levon Helm annoys me...'), and we'd all be on an Eagles website dissecting, yet again, the lyrics of 'Hotel California' (and I want to cheekily add, with Kevin J. as the President of the fan club, and Steve as the sole defender of Robbie as a great songwriter whose success blinds us to his subtlety - but I won't... ;-) ).

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Bonk

I read some where, I think it was in a book by Barney Hoskyns, that the only reason that David Geffen cozy-ed up to Robbie was to get at Dylan. Which he did for one album. But Sir Bob hated Geffen and went back to Columbia.

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kristie

Yes I am sure they did...it is a great lyric.That is all I meant.

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Peter V

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kristie

I love Joni's lyrics about Geffen in "Free man in Paris." "I deal in dreamers....and telephone screamers.." Great.

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Peter V

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Peter V

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Joan

Subject: Levon and Ringo have a visit

Speaking of singing drummers. Someone posted this at the alt. music site. Check out the short piece of Rimgo and Levon.

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Kristie

Meg white, Dave Grohl, Feist,(Mickey Dolenz?*ha ha). I find lists very interesting(for some odd reason), but often disagree with them. At the end of the day...it's all personal preference.I mean...does everyone really agree that "Sgt. pepper's lonely hearts club band" is the best album of all time(or even the best Beatles album)?...I don't think so.

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Nick

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Kevin J

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Friend0

I was surprised to see Winston Watson mentioned. Not becuase of lack of talent but because you are the first person besides myself that i've noticed mention him in here. I saw him with Dylan a whole bunch of times, and he is a great drummer.

I don't keep lists, but Watson is incredible.

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Bill M

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Kevin J

Peter: Other than just the bits relating to The Band, is that book worth reading?

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Steve

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Bill M

"Sugar beet, sugar beet / living reflection of a treat / I was her love / she was my meat ..."

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Friend0

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Peter V

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Peter V

Subject: Adge Cutler & The Worzels

A link to "Brand New Combine Harvester"

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Bill M

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dlew919

It would be remiss of me not to mention Roger Taylor of QUeen.

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joe j

Bill, you're mention of the unlamented Wurzels may be a GB first. Now you've got me trying to remember the name of their other novelty song - the one with the shout of "How's thee father" and the response "Alright".

Damn I've got to get a life.

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Steve

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Ilkka´s Dog

Subject: Why he loves and hates this web site / Clarification requested by some friends

My stupid master has drunk too much of Colombard and Chardonnay wine from Gascogne in the South of France to post here anything relevant anymore; after all it is Friday evening here in the North. I believe this is what he means:

Loving this site maintained by Mr. Jan Hoiberg is easy for him: it is balanced and informative. Hating this guestbook is even easier for him: some people think that they have the right to ruin the memory of The Band for the remaining true friends of the good music. Although beeing angry, deep in his poor heart he feels sorry for them, because he thinks that they are anonymous cowards. However, I don't really think that he will castrate you bastards. Just calm down... caaalm dooowwnn....

After all, he is _only_ a human beeing and a tender soul. A total mystery for us dogs.

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Bill M

JT: Your post was the best I've ever seen. Well, top 5 anyway.

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David P.

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Peter V

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David P.

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David P.

Peter: Dylan and Paul Simon, like Ray Charles, Buck Owens and George, evidently had the clout and legal acumen when they negotiated their respective recording contracts. The fact that The Band's catalog is still retained by EMI/Capitol is indicative of a less advantageous position.

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Peter V

OK, Kevin, just for you. The Tom King book on Geffen explains that he was offering them a 50 /50 split on profits on a record deal, instead of the usual royalty of a few per cent. (This was apparently genuine and why The Eagles became so wealthy). Robbie arranged for Geffen to meet the other four.

TOM KING:

Robertson’s compatriots were not as a whole suspicious people, but they were essentially country boys, and Geffen’s presentation was a tad flashy for their tastes. Robertson was rooting for Geffen, but he could tell that Geffen could not understand the other members of the Band. They were a motley group of odd characters who made strangely abstract comments to which Geffen did not know how to respond. The Band did not agree to sign with Geffen on the spot, but they did conclude that he had a pitch that merited further discussion.

END OF QUOTE

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JT

I read the comments about people on and off lists with great interest. Lists suggest comparisons between artists. Though readers seem to like lists (I think lists serve as reminders of who was and is), I dislike them because they force ordering of individuals with the suggestion that someone is better than someone else because they are higher up on a list. So Dylan or Cohen is the best lyricist, for example. That is a flawed way of thinking (as I noted in a previous post) in my view. I couldn't even begin to compare Dylan to Cohen to Young to Cockburn etc or Hendrix to Clapton to whomever. Like all of us, these people are unique in their own rite and should not be compared. Their individual talents should be assessed on their own merits and critiqued in that way. I don't mind lists of equals but hate numerically ordered lists wherein it is implied that one is better than another. That's today's rant. Do I have any takers?

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David P.

I imagine some lists of singing drummers would also include Ringo Starr, Jim Capaldi, Don Henley, Phil Collins, Buddy Miles (another drummer who passed away this year) and, yes, Karen Carpenter.

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Peter V

David, a retrospective Greatest Hits on Asylum wasn’t insurmountable … see the CDs of Planet Waves and Before the Flood. Both “returned” to Columbia for CD reissue. And all the early solo Paul Simon Columbia albums are now on Warner CDs. Later on, in the 80s, companies got less jealous of doing deals like that, possibly swopping deals about different artists. Another example is how Marvin Gaye hits compilations sometimes add Sexual Healing and Midnight Lover (Columbia) to the Motown hits. The other point is that in our imaginary parallel universe, the one where they take The Eagles popularity, the later hits are so huge that the early ones became makeweights (!) on the Greatest Hits. I’ve always thought that given enough airplay, Jupiter Hollow could have been a major hit, even if the lyrics are inpenetrable. I used to play it to anyone who’d listen in 1975 / 76 and most bought the album. One of Garth’s finest moments.

The Asylum stuff is what I was trying to track down the story of. Both albums (Planet Waves, Before The Flood) are on Asylum in Britain. BUT the single David mentions is on Island in Britain, as is “On A Night Like This” single. So there was some deal for Island to do the singles. Why? Asylum was part of WEA by then and Warner had their own distribution. It’s somewhat incongruous to the record collector to see “Bob Dylan & The Band” on the Island label.

You could look at drummers as soloists and non-soloists. My favourites as non-soloists would be Steve Gadd, Levon Helm, Manu Katche, Jim Keltner, D.J. Fontana, Brian Blade. For solos … which is an art I generally dislike (Q: Tonto, what do those drums mean? They’ve been playing for hours … A: Soon it will be time for the bass solo, ke-mo sah-bee.) … you have to have a touch of showmanship, and I’d say Bill Bruford, Carl Palmer and Mick Fleetwood. Carl Palmer’s solos on the recent Asia tour were great … full of references and little joke things that even Mrs V (who dislikes drum solos) found entertaining. Though the best drum solo I’ve ever seen is going to be Steve Gadd, dividing Diamonds on The Soles of Her Shoes from You Can Call Me Al on the last two Paul Simon tours.

The hardest hitting thumper I’ve seen was D.J. Fontana, then in his seventies, with Scotty Moore. He didn’t know what planet was on, but once they lined him up, sat him down and got the drumsticks in his hands he was incredible. I’ve never seen the drums smacked that hard and that clearly. It makes you think early Elvis live must have sounded fantastic, and the recording equipment of the time doesn’t allow the experience through the decades.

Singing drummers … not unique. What about Phil Collins and Don Henley?

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Kevin J

JT: Thanks For the information on 62-66 Band. One gets used to hearing so many derogratory comments about RR here that it was refreshing to hear your Dad’s recollections. The SARS concert would probably be the closest to that Pop event of 1969.

Laugh for the Week: Just the thought of the Free man in Paris giving a slick presentation to Garth, Richard, Rick and Levon puts a smile on my face. Funny though, sometimes tossing the slicksters out is the right move and sometimes it isn’t. The caps did eventually come to some though – didn’t they?

BEG: I did not know about Joe Cocker doing “Out of the Blue”. Thank you.

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Charlie Y

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Ilkka (again)

Subject: The Link

The Link to those machines.

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Ilkka Jauramo

Subject: Reaping-machines/combine harvesters... or whatever. Especially to EMPTY NOW :-)

As a skinny school boy in the 60s/70s I tried to play The Band songs in an industrial town on Finnish West coast . We rehearsaled in a baker's cellar full of rats. A few kilometres from this cellar there was and still is a mechanical factory. EMPTY guy, you know what, this industry is going to send hundreds or maybe thousands of reaping machines to Algeria... yes to A-L-G-E-R-I-A. In the times like these it is a big business for your people and mine. The BAND circle is beguinning to be closed in our lives!!! Hallelujah.

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Bill M

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JT

Typing and typos... but funny to read 'hear' in that context in my last post. Sorry.

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JT

Kensington Market Thursday Jan. 29, 2008 Hugh's Room I don't think I'm hear, Bill M, but thanks for the 'heads up'. I hope to read your review.

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David P.

Let's not forget the great Earl Palmer, who passed away last month. And then there's the sad story surrounding Jim Gordon, who's been incarcerated for 24 years.

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Charlie Y

Make that drummer's name Kenny ARONOFF. He played with John Mellencamp, John Fogerty and others and he's the most athletic drummer I ever saw play in person. Amazing! Kenny Aronson is a bass player who once backed Bob Dylan and apparently hated the experience (not the Jimi Hendrix Experience, the Bob Dylan experience).

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JT

Bill M. Do you know what evening the Kensington Market reunion at Hugh's Room is going to occur on (ending a senstence with a preposition...bad!)? I went to Hugh's Room site and the schedule is not there yet. I sure would like to be there if I'm in town and not in Victoria. Is it the same lineup?

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Steve

I have to agree with your evaluation of those three songs. Yuk, Yuk, Yuk! My fondest memory of Witchy Woman is someone, I think David Crosby, in the Joni Mitchell Bio Flic, saying, "partys in the Canyon were so special, I remember walking into one at Joni's and she had these guys standing around the punchbowl singing a song about a Witchy Woman." Now if only he'd said, standing choir-like around the punchbowl.

Is Levon the only singing drummer on Rolling Stone's list?

Empty, I'll get back to you later.

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Bill M

JT: If you're in town, Kensington Market it doing another reunion show in mid January at Hugh's Room.

Charlie Y: Good list. Not all would be on my list, but most of my list is on yours: Tops are Levon for his amazing feel, and Hal Blaine for his identifiable sound. But also Keith Moon for his ability to blast out guitar solos on the drums and Charlie Watts for his spareness, My adds would be Duris Maxwell for his power, and Crowbar's drummers, Larry Atamanuik (who would also have been at the Hawks matinees) and Sonnie Bernardi for their versatile timing. Oh yeah, I also really like Bobby Elliott of the Hollies.

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Empty Now

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brown eyed girl

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JT

The Toronto Pop Festival was an all day event on June 21-22, 1969. I think Ronnie Hawkins was on that bill and came on early. Robert Charlebois, Dr. John, Alice Cooper, Tiny Tim, Johnny Winter, Sly and the Family Stone, Procol Harum and Chuck Berry all played. I all happened on one stage on the Bloor St. side of the stadium. Kensington Market, Steppenwolf and BS&T were also on as well as many others. Toronto has not seen the likes of anything like this that I can recall since. And this was before, not after, Blind Faith (correction to my previous post)

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Deb

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Charlie Y

Subject: Favorite Drummers (This Month)

I really hate those "best of" lists, but--as my old friend Bill put it--it's been a bad month for drummers with the deaths of Mitch Mitchell and Jimmy Carl Black. Drummers rarely get the respect they deserve, so here are some of my favorites this month: Levon Helm, Richard Manuel, Keith Moon, Ringo Starr, Max Weinberg, Dino Danelli, Kenny Aronson, Hal Blaine, Charlie Watts, John Densmore, John Molo and Mitch Mitchell. Some of them are gone now, but their beat goes on...

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JT

It was July 1969 when Blind Faith arrive at Varsity Stadium on Bloor St and played for approximately an hour or maybe a little more. For those who don't know, this is an outside university team football stadium with bleachers. (later that summer it was the home of the Varsity Pop Festival with the Band (hey, I did see the Band on their own. I forgot!), Alice Cooper (dresses etc), and many others. Anyway, back to Blind Faith. If I recall, Taste opened for them and played a competent set. Then Clapton (is God - I had a bumper sticker back then), Baker, Bruce and young Steve Winwood took the stage and played. They were terrific. The solo by Baker was as Bill M describes it. It went on and on and was in the spirit of Buddy Rich and others who came before. Clapton's playing was wonderful. Bruce vocals were solid and the keyboards of Winwood were captivating. "Had to Cry Today" was most memorable to me. Since 1965, I had seen Dylan and the Hawks, Simon and Garfunkel (Massey Hall), Jimi Hendrix Experience, and then Blind Faith. Johnny Winter was to follow shortly afterwards, again at Massey Hall. Then Chicago Transit Authority at the O'Keefe Centre. I never compare musicians. I think each stands on his/her own and that comparing guitarists or writers is flawed. Each has his/her own character and style and to compare them is a trap. These were all great musicians and I was fortunate to be able to see them. For me, that music lives on and I think it stands up over the last 4 decades.

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David P.

Even if The Band had signed with Asylum, Capitol still owned the masters of their prior recordings. So, the only way they could have released a greatist hits compilation on Geffen's label would have been to re-record their signature songs. The Band, however, did appear briefly on the Asylum label with their collaborations with Dylan on "Planet Waves" and "Before The Flood". Asylum also released a 45 single that had the live tour version of The Band's "Stage Fright" as the B-side to Dylan's "Most Likely You'll Go Your Way...", with backing from the group.

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Bill M

JT: I first heard of Blind Faith at scout camp, when a fellow scout raved about their concert at Varsity. Being a drummer, he was especially impressed by the fact that Ginger Baker did a 13-minute drum solo!! (NB NB: that was your former classmate, Tom H.)

BEG: Thanks for the Harvey Brooks link. I called him up some years ago and he was happy to chat about his work, as producer, with singer Dianne Brooks, a particular favourite of mine.

That reminds me, is it true that Bumbles, who has/had at least one the resulting Dianne Brooks 45s on Verve, was shown the door? Too bad; I was hoping he was too busy campaigning and would come back to us.

Peter V: I think that lots of Band songs would've been at least as acceptable to the public as "Hotel California", and would've done better had the wheel of fortune spun differently. Life's like that. I will say, though, that I still find "Hotel California" execrable, even if others in the house think it's the cat's ass. I used to like the teedle-eedle-eedle-eedle-eedle-eedle-eeeeeee guitar part, but even that wore thin. Hated HC so much that I retroactively despised the whining of "New Kid" and the castrati choir of "Witchy Woman".

JT again: Thanks for posting about Levon and the Hawks' regular matinees for the chips-and-coke set. I've spoken to so many guys who attended, which is probably one of the reasons why they're still such a tightly knit bunch. Imagine all those local heroes gathered in one place every Saturday, some of them getting up to sing a song or two - David Clayton Thomas, John Finley, Domenic Troiano, Robbie Lane, Jay Smith, John Kay, Fred Keeler, Bobby Starr, Whitey Glan, Mike McKenna, Richard Bell, Goldy McJohn, Bruce Palmer, Mars Bonfire ...

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Friend0

But the answer to all your questions lies in the fact that The Other 4 did not care for Geffen's presentation.

What would be interesting to know is if once Geffen could nto sign The Band, if he tried to get Robbie to leave them . Of course that's what he did, getting Furay to leave Poco, to make SHF a superstar band. All Geffen's creation. In hs own mind, thenhe approached the 3 key players.

It is possible that in some large way Geffen planted the seeds of, or at least heavily watered the seeds of, what led to the disatisfaction Robbie felt, and the seeds of the dissolution of The Band.

(Not to imply Geffen tried to sign Poco.)

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brown eyed girl

Produced by Bonnie Brooks. Bob Dylan's infamous 1965 Forest Hills concert, where he booed by the audience when he played electric music, is recounted in this edition of bassist Harvey Brooks videoblog, View from the Bottom.

Harvey Brooks Bob Dylan Robbie Robertson Forest Hiils Bass Rock Al Kooper

Lights out guerilla Radio
Turn that shit up

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brown eyed girl

You're always welcome Deeee. I do it just for you. :-D

Robbie Robertson - A Retrospective
Documentary - DVD-R1

JT: Thanks so much for sharing with the Band community what you shared with me along time ago about The Hawks and Robbie in particular. Also, it's cool how a teacher, doctor, lawyer, former teacher, farmer, photographer can all be open to and dig some or all of RATM. "Fight The Power". "Rage Against The Machine".....

It has to start somewhere
It has to start sometime
What better place than here
What better time than now
All hell cant stop us now
All hell cant stop us now
All hell cant stop us now
All hell cant stop us now

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Steve

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Empty Now

Peter V: Thanks for the reply,

oppositely to the image used in the allegory (my previous post), in real world it’s rather the Greeks who used to walk always eyes fixed on the sky, it’s hard to believe seen from today, other times other customs, try to imagine, the only way of walking for an Athenian from the Pericles century – let’s call it the Socrates shuffle – was to proudly inflate breast forwards and nose upwards to the sky, put one step before the next, never never look downwards at the ground beneath his feet whatever are the dog craps.

This led me back to my Catholic studies, the modern word “Scandal”, which is defined as (Ox. Dic.) “shock by doing something improper", gets its etymological root in the Greek word “Skandalon” meaning exactly to “stumbling block”
[link] The most socially and morally reprehensible crime in Athens was, or if you want to seriously harm somebody you don’t like, you have just to wait on his path during his morning walk, and put a big stone on the ground accurately placed downstream on his very personal walk-line, be sure [given the Socrates shuffle] that he will collide it and stumble, can he be wounded for life.

talking of Messianism, I believe now that the scandalous Loi Quebecoise de la Citoyenneté et de l'Immigration has in the facts proven to be of Eschatological Dimension, a bigger impact than the Basel Congress and the Crémieux Decree reunited [in relation with other subjects of interest out-of-the GB, posts will follow]

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dlew919

I don't know, Peter, I think that somehting like Cripple Creek has that narrative strength, let alone the Weight. Jawbone, as well (though it's in 5 and 6 4 et cetera, so ...)

An intriguing parallel universe, though....

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Peter V

Leafing through Mansion on the Hill sent me back to Tom King's Geffen biography. There's a lot on Robbie in 1973, some of which I quoted here when I first read it. The style is mildly off putting in that 1973 conversations between Robbie and Geffen are in direct speech in colloquial English. Robbie has to be the source, as quoting bits of conversation in direct speech is very much his interview style, 'They said, Bob, get rid of these guys,' 'etc and much is conversation where only the two were present (and which reflect more favourably on Robbie).

What it does reinforce is that in 1973 Geffen tried to persuade The Band to sign directly with Asylum as soon as their Capitol deal had run out, which must have been soon at that point, or could have been bought out with a couple of live albums or whatever. He offered them an unprecedented royalty share too. Geffen went with Robbie to Woodstock, and gave a "flashy presentation" which the other guys didn't like. OK, that's been discussed before … but what's more interesting is that Geffen was "getting fed up with Henley's whining" at the time. The Eagles were pissed off at their second album sales, and particularly in Europe where EMI distributed Asylum … but knew that within months, the deal would revert to Warner, Asylum's owners. So EMI weren't pushing The Eagles in Europe, the Eagles were bending Geffen's ear and irritating him, and he wanted to promote The Band as a major act. And it didn't happen. So in a parallel universe somewhere The Band's Greatest Hits (on Asylum) is the best selling record of all time.

I thought about it a bit and one of the things I love about The Band is Robbie's lyrics. But did he write anything that would have the massive appeal on AM & FM radio of the little story in Hotel California? Could Geffen have done it? Were they in a state to have been dragged along? Would Geffen have paid (as with The Eagles) to get everyone's teeth capped? These, and other mysteries, await the next episode of The Parallel Universe.

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Ari S.

has anybody seen these robbie interviews?

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gaullede

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Peter M.

Subject: Bob W/ Mann Center concerts

I have to agree with Bob W about Jackson Browne's Mann Center concert. It was superb with Leland Sklar, Rosemarie Butler, Kortchmar, and a personal favorite of mine, the incomparable David Lindley. This was right after the release of the "Running on Empty" album. In fact, I've had a hard time enjoying the post-Lindley versions of his band. Also at the Mann, we saw The Band open for CSN&Y a year or two later, and were so overwhelmed by The Band, that we left after they played, after going back to the cheap seats, and gifting our 10th row ticket stubs to some folks who could only get "lawn seating" tickets prior to our surprising them with the upgrade. We later saw The Band play at Somers Point, NJ at the site of the old Tony Marts, where they were playing when Dylan "discovered" them. By then the club had transubstantiated from a Jersey Shore cheap beer warehouse, to a chrome and glass table slick place that looked to be modeled after an Atlantic City casino (sans gambling)! They played a set that slanted heavily toward their 1966 tunes, and was very oddly interesting. I'm not sure of the year, but Richard had a decent share of the vocals. As far as other Band-related events, I've seen many, including Rick and Levon as a duo at "Philly's", an "Urban Cowboy" kind of place on Chestnut Street in Philadelphia. The place was ridiculous, but it was a warm, relaxed show that felt like an informal jam played on a rickety old front porch. The guys were great and had a wonderful time and Levon thanked the crowd "for letting us get away with this"! In the last 10 years I've seen The Barnburners, Levon's Beacon shows in 07 & 08, and Rambles on the Road in Baltimore at the Ram's Head Live and Philadelphia's Electric Factory. BUT, a Ramble at the Barn is an event I HAVE to do over and over again. I often end up saying "church was good tonight". Does that take us back to transubstantiation?

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Ari S.

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JT

In the times I saw them at the Concord, I never had the impression that any one individual stood out and was more prominent than the others. The name implied that Levon was leader and I think from what I recall he certainly was vocal. Certainly, the guitar of JRR was stellar but it was a part of the whole and the whole was the sum of all the parts equally. Singing was shared and often delivered by the group. There was none of the sad loneliness of the voice of Rick or Richard but the blues of a bar band. This was a true group that functioned as a unit and not as individuals. My dad, who was one of the Concord's management, loved and related best to JRR and always extolled his virtues as a really nice kid who was respectful and carried himself with dignity. That's what I remember.

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Brien Sz

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Peter V

Not forgetting the DVD-Audio of Music From Big Pink, produced by Robbie Robertson and a genuinely radical remix in 5.1 DTS surround sound. Artificial, but it does show how it can be revisited with modern technology.

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David P.

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Brien Sz

David - have you ever heard which versions of the mixings/masterings that any of the Band members preferred. Given todays technology, have any of them ever commented that todays gear is able to achieve things that they could not have back then and vice versa. I wonder if Levon, Robbie or Garth have any thoughts on this.

As a photographer and when I'm shooting nature, gardens etc..,, I loved the effect of Velvia film. It was very colorful and contrasty. But it could have real issues with shadow details in certain exposures. It was also very sensitive in its range of latitude, so your metering had to be very precise to get the most out of it. But digital, allows for far more latitude both in exposure values and what you can do with it in the digital darkroom - in other words, it is a much more flexible medium. Yet, when shooting RAW, images are very flat initially and have to be worked over carefully to recreate that "Velvia" feel or create an entire different feel. That is one of the great things about digital is that I can create a variety of feels through one image rather than having to choose a 'film' to determine a kind of effect or feel for the end product.

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Brien Sz

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Dunc

Subject: Various

Genuine heartfelt thanks to everyone. I had been reading Jan's site, but never clicked on Guestbook. Some points:The Band are the best for me. It was a gradual thing. The first Band album I heard was the Brown album. I went to MFBP, then a few others. Over the years I noticed that I always went to play these albums. I bought all the Band abums on CD and Jan's site put me in touch with the solo stuff apart from Robbies which I had. Dylan is my favourite solo performer. Were the Band always poorly managed to some extent? I've come to that conclusion. Richard was always my favourite singer. Better than Ray. I was glad I visited his grave to pay my respects. I enjoyed the two days out of my two weeks Canadian holiday I spent on Band 'business'. Always sorry Bill M, I missed your invite to meet up and that I never got out to Glen's reunion. Kevin:The Band are not well known here in terms of Paul Simon etc. Many songs deserved much better recognition.

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David P.

When it comes down to what one enjoys listening to, it's really a matter of personal preference, rather than any scientific quantitative evaluation. As someone who divides my music listening about 50/50 between vinyl & digital, I realize the advantages, as well as the shortcomings, inherent to both formats.

Let's take "Music From Big Pink" as an example. An early Capitol LP pressing is rather dark sounding, with lots of low bass in the dynamic range. For someone not used to listening to vinyl, it may sound too dull to their ears, more accustomed to brighter digital recordings.

The early CD reissue versions, using older digital to analog transfer equipment, were more or less closer to a flat transfer. Although somewhat veiled in detail, they came close to conveying the dark, warm analog sound of the original LP. More recent CD remastered versions, using more sophisticated (24-bit) D/A transfer equipment, add detail & clarity to the sound, but may sound a little too bright to those used to vinyl, due to high frequency boost and other adjustments made in the digital mastering process.

But like I said -- It's all a matter of personal preference. Some may prefer a more detailed, yet hard analytical sound to that of the dark analog warmth.

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Kristie

I prefer Jackson Browne anyday to Cat stevens. "The pretender" and "running on empty" and at times "Jackson browne(aka. saturate before using) are pretty genius. And I think a lot fo great musicians would and have said that he is a great songwriter(Dylan an Young have). I am not really a fan of his later work but then again that is true for a lot of artists.

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dlew919

On my one and only trip to London in 2000 (three weeks before my son, hlew, was born, but that's another story, and before I'd discovered The Band properly), I stayed in a B and B in Kensington. Over breakfast one day (I had long breakfasts, just because I wake up extremely early), I got talking to a chap. We asked each other what we were doing there - I was there on a business trip.

He had been to see a female singer, who he'd first seen supporting Jackson Browne in Los Angeles. It quickly transpired that he was a big fan - saw him in every tour, often several times. And, he was part of a contingent who did this.

Now, I knew that this happened with bands (Jethro Tull springs to mind; Pink Floyd; Morrisey;) but I'd had no idea just how popular Jackson Browne was. Partly, I think it was an Australian thing - the only album I sort of knew was 'Lawyers in Love', and I knew a couple of the earlier songs 'Stay', 'The Pretender'. But really, for me, he was that bloke who wrote for the corporate schlock ensemble from Hell occasionally (I like the Eagles, Kevin, but I thought that a beautiful description! ;))

I never knew that Browne was so revered as an artist. And perhaps Peter V. is right - he was John the Baptist to the Eagles' messiah (although I suspect that they were just very naughty boys...). John the Baptist, after all, had followers ...

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Kevin J

JT: My favourite part of anything I have ever read on The Band and even R n R in general is the picture painted of the music scene in Toronto during that period - especially that Yonge Street scene with The Band being the top guns around. Bill M often discusses aspects of this and it is about the best stuff on this GB. Tell me, in that 62-65 period, on a typical night, how prominent was Richard? 50%-60% of the songs played. Was Robbie’s tele work as extraordinary as we have all been led to believe – live? Really enjoyed your post.

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Steve

Q's host is Jian Ghomeshi, played and sang in the 90's with Moxy Fruvous, and to quote Barbara Walters, who he interviewed a couple of weeks back, one of the best interviewers she's encountered.

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Kevin J

Lists: Note also, if anyone cares, that the great kd Lang is not to be found on the Rolling Stone list while Chistina Aquilara is!

Popularity: It is unlikely that Steve Jones or Glenn Matlock or John Lydon could fill theatres the way the Pretender can – but that doesn’t make The Sex Pistols less popular or less well known. The Byrds – same applies. Solo guys are a completely different animal. Gen Frey had major trouble supporting any kind of tour before deciding to hook back up again with that corporate schlock ensemble from Hell. No one would ever accuse then of being a “minority taste”.

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JT

Now that I'm reminiscing, I saw the boys on numerous occasions from 1962-1965 at the Concord Tavern as Levon and the Hawks. That was the best bar band I ever saw. They rehearsed Saturday afternoons and the place was packed with sub-18s (no alcohol) eating fries and drinking coke. They put on full sets and were magnificent. Next time was Nov. 15, 1965 at Massey Hall with Bob Dylan. They played their own set and then Bob came on alone andthen with the boys. They were still called Levon and the Hawks. That was the single greatest show I have ever seen...ever! The last time was January 10, 1974 with Bob Dylan in Maple Leaf Gardens. That show was exciting. Bob was rising again big time and Bob and The Band clicked! I never saw them alone as the Band but they did do some numbers alone during the 1974 show (as you all know from the Before The Flood cd) and they were superb. All this talk of death and demise makes one reminisce. The musical memories are etched and I'm going home after work to listen again. Thanks for the memories. I sure hope some of that early Levon and the Hawks stuff comes out (we are still waiting for Bacon Fat etc) though I read here that chances have become slim. Any news?

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DEE

Subject: JOAN & JEAN

Started the day with the land-line digital phone out of order...then read posts to simmer down and found your references to the fantastic Tom Lehrer. Spent the next couple of hours singing the bits & pieces I remembered. Gave me a severe case of smiles. Thanks! Amazing what pops up in the GB!

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David P.

"Stage Fright" is one of those relatively rare examples of an album that went through several different mixing processes before it was originally released. As a result, several different versions of mixes exist in the tape vaults.

That said -- Following Brien's suggestion, I would share my observations of which Band album versions I like best, which I've often done in the past. Currently, I've been listening to the new Capitol "From The Vaults" LP reissues of "Music From Big Pink" and "The Band". My initial impression is that these 180-gram vinyl versions sound much better than their current CD counterparts, but don't surpass the original Capitol LP pressings. I'll post a more detailed evaluation in the future, comparing them with other versions.

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Brien Sz

I am not an audiophile of any degree but I have some confidence that David P. is. Since subtley of mix changes is more David's pedigree, I'd be interested in what you think are the best mixes of Band recordings over the years - which songs standout best on which releases? That I'd be interested in. AND to take it one step further, would you be willing to put those songs on cd as a kind of definitive Band sound and song mix? I'd be interested in listening to something like that and see what it is all about.

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peter V

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Peter V

Gaullede … I’d answer if I knew. I don’t. I’ve been wondering the same. I’d bet it’s the straight remaster, well-packaged though.

I’ve been thinking about the Band’s profile today. I glanced back at “Mansion on the Hill”. Allegedly, Geffen was pals with Robbie which enabled him to secure Dylan for Asylum. So, The Band were co-billed on Planet Waves and Before The Flood (both Asylum) then when Dylan was lured back to Columbia, Dylan & The Band appear on Columbia for The Basement Tapes.

So take it from Capitol’s point of view. All they’ve had out of The Band since Cahoots (1971) is Rock of Ages and Moondog Matinee. While both are definitive albums in their genres, er, live and oldies, they’ve had no new stuff, but Asylum have had two albums and Columbia one. So by the time NLSC appears, the first lot of new material in four years, I would imagine Capitol were “underwhelmed” and inclined to be luke warm.

As David says, losing Grossman is another factor. He was said to be deeply hurt that Geffen had more influence for a short time. Incidentally, somewhere in there it mentions that Geffen considered Jackson Browne and Joni Mitchell to be the label’s jewels in the crown, which rubbed The Eagles up the wrong way, not that they had to worry having negotiated a 97.5% gate share. I know Browne is a star and I have most of his albums, and he was superb in concert last time … I just don’t think of him as being as influential as The Band. Maybe that’s wrong … in some ways he played John the Baptist for The Eagles. 3000 seats with ease about four years ago … no Band member would have got anywhere near that in Britain.

Add the fact that Robbie had temporarily followed Richard in “drying” on songwriting for two or three years and you can see why they weren’t in world shattering shape in 1975 to 1976. TLW restored their reputation.

At the straight touring level, when did Jonathan Taplin quit? After the 71 tour? Earlier? I don’t know, but maybe that was a bigger loss than they knew.

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David P.

The different mixes, done by Todd Rundgren and Glyn Johns, have always been a source of confusion with regards to the different CD reissues. The DCC version, which I do have, featured Todd Rundgren's early mixes, whereas the Capitol reissue(s) featured a combination of Rundgren & Johns mixes.

Steve Hoffman, who mastered the "Stage Fright" gold CD at DCC years ago, will be working on a new gold CD version of the "Brown Album" this month from the original master tapes, set for release on the Audio Fidelity label.

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Kevin J

Rolling Stone: Their latest list may be the most absurd that they have ever published. That is saying something for anyone who remembers the Guitarists list! Axel Rose rates higher than the Everly Brothers. Kurt Cobain rates some 50 spots higher than Levon Helm! John Lennon rated higher than Paul McCartney is bad enough but could any serious musician defend have Lennon rated higher than Marvin Gaye? Madness! At least the great George Jones was recognized. Wonder if Axel makes the Country Music News’ list of top singers?

Steve: Did the CBC guy/gal ask Lanois about Tell Tale Signs or Dylan as an example of how too much touring can sometimes also interfere with quality of output. His main point, and your's also about RR, I agree with. The impact of not doing live shows is even more pronounced on comedians.

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gaullede

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Brien Sz

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JT

I had never been on an airplane until I was 19. Finished high school in Toronto in late spring 1967. My best friend and I decided to go to NYC and we flew there. Stayed in a cheap hotel near Madison Square Gardens, I think on 34th Street. Saw some plays (tickets for Hair were so expensive even on the street ... and they were unobtainable even at that price) - The Deputy, a couple of others (I cannot remember them) and... in old Madison Square Garden on the rotating stage... The Jimi Hendrix Experience. They had released "Are You Experienced" and had also played a couple of songs from "Axis" (which I hadn't recognized then). They played for about 45 minutes total. It was in a word - magnificent! I had never heard anything like it. And it was the 3 of them together that made the music though clearly Jimi stood out. No talk, just music. The Garden was about 1/2 full (I think in the round that many of the hockey seats with poor view of that rotating stage whereon he performed were not in use). His star had not yet risen at that point. Two years later, I saw Blind Faith at Varsity stadium...that's another story!

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Steve

The one comment made by Lanois during his interview that was relevant to J2Rs is his belief that to stay relevant and stay connected with your audience it's important to get out and play live gigs. He says he can't just sit in his studio and put out albums and feel that his work will continue to grow.

Kevin, maybe you have an inside track on why Leonard is doing this tour but I wouldn't assume ( and I'm not accusing you of that) that all people of Leonard's age are doing it for the money.

I heard a most inspiring interview featuring the great Anthony Bennedeto yesterday. What a great man. At 82 he's still totally enjoying that Gawd Damn impossible way of life. He also mentioned ,like Lanois, the need to get out on a stage to stay fresh and continue learning the business, which he insists he's still doing.

He said the old timers told him when he'd already had a couple of huge hits that it took 9 to 10 years to get a handle on the business, he said they were only off by about 40 years.

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Kevin J

I love L. Cohen but let’s not get into a tizzy over 18 people writing in to express pleasure at having seen a man on a final tour undertaken only to replace his $5 million pension fund that was stolen by his ex manager. Want to talk about bad management!

We are not indulging “in such a minority taste” by being Band fans Peter. 1968: hailed as the saviours of rock music. 1974: Co-headline the biggest tour the rock world had ever seen. 1976: Conclude career with the biggest and most talked about Farwell show the rock world had ever seen. Being a Replacements fan is a minority taste. Being a Band fan certainly isn’t.

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David P.

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Steve

I'm currently listening to a 1 hour session with Daniel Lanois on CBC radio's program Q. He's live in the studio discussing his work with various artists and playing live cuts( along with 2 fellow musicians) from his new album. Still no mention of working with J2Rs, he just keeps going back to Brian Eno over and over.

Seems Rolling Stone only had room on its list of the greatest 100 singers of all time for one of the Band's 3 remarkable singers. Only Levon at #91 cracked the list but considering the other names on the list it's worthwhile recognition though Levon deserved a top 20 placing in the eyes of Steve. It would be tough to drop someone out of that 20 so maybe a co position in the top 20.

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Kevin J

Jack: Leonard Cohen and band did a great Austin City Limits show - early 90's I believe. You might try getting your hands on that.

Don Henly's take on Everybody Knows really was great as was Willie Nelson's Bird on a Wire from that album. Peter Gabriel murders Suzanne and U2 Bono also are weak as pointed out.

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David P.

Around the time of their move to California, The Band parted ways with Albert Grossman's management team, as Dylan had done years before.

The original sessions for "Songs of Leonard Cohen" in 1967 began with John Hammond (Sr.) producing. When he became ill, John Simon was brought in to produce. When Mr. Cohen's Columbia debut was reissued last year on CD, it included two outtakes from the early Hammond sessions.

After Judy Collins covered Mr. Cohen's "Suzanne", Noel Harrison also released a version, a year later around the same time as "Songs From Leonard Cohen" was released.

As bob w. noted, Jackson Browne had a stellar road band, comprised of ace session musicians in the '70s. Two other key players were vocalist Rosemary Butler and Doug Hayward, who was a double threat on bass & background vocals. I saw Mr. Browne in Altanta around 1974, at a sold-out concert in the Municipal Auditorium, with Bonnie Raitt opening.

Sad to hear of the death of Mitch Mitchell, the last surviving member of the Jimi Hendrix Experience. I had the privilege of seeing the original Hendrix, Redding & Mitchell trio perform at the aforementioned venue in Atlanta in the summer of 1968. This was back in the day when your ticket (under $10!) provided a lot a bang for the buck. The opening acts for JHE were the Amboy Dukes, Vanilla Fudge and the Soft Machine. That WAS quite an experience!

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dlew919

Mitchell: a great drummer. And by all accounts a really nice bloke. Unlike Noel Redding, who was bitter and twisted, arguing he'd been ripped off millions of pounds, Mitchell remained grateful.

I always forget him in lists (but then, I forget lots of people - Hi Brien, Deb and JQ - another 3 whose posts I enjoy...) but he's a definite Top 10 drummer...

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Friend0

I'm guessing that since Peter and others give the credit for business successes the Band had to Robbie, then those same people would probably think that Robbie dropped the ball big time, from 74 on.

Don't crucify the poor guy. After all, he's only human.

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Friend0

Subject: Band Related Concerts and Gb Poster Attendance / Peter

It occurs to me that a Ramble at The Beacon Theater may qualify as a Band related concert, Peter.

Whilst I doubt that I am including or even aware of all GB posters (inclusive of one time GB posters), here is my attempt at remembering those I know of whom where there.

Beacon 07, Saturday. Kay, Jan H., Nick, Todd, myself, Stu & Marsha, Butch.

Beacon 08 Saturday. Amanda, myself, Tull, Butch, The Belle (Jan F.), John Cass.

I am certain there are posters who posted they attended as well.

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Charlie Y

I saw Mitch Mitchell as part of the first show in the "Experience Hendrix" tribute tour last year and--though the gig ran over three hours--it was mostly a sloppy, sad and overpriced evening of music. Mitch Mitchell's drumming always impressed me, though. I think of the jazzy intro to "Up from the Skies" and other memorable performances in which he gave the Hendrix sound a sophistication and subtlety lost with later drummers.

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Jack

I have yet to see a DVD of Leonard; with just a complete concert. After seeing him this past summer, I would love to see that whole show on DVD. I also would have loved a DVD of his 92 or was it 93 tour? Over the years we get snippets of songs; or "the early years." Leonard! Give us an in concert DVD in HD and 5.1 please; with your current band.

Peter mentioned the Webb Sisters. Check out Sharon Robinson's solo CD as well.

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bob w.

His shows were always top shelf. David Lindley was integral along with Danny Kortchmar, Russ Kunkel, Leland Sklar and several other stellar musicians.

Welcome back, Dunc and Roger.

Roger, well said.

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Peter V

Cale declined, I believe, which is one of those daft things like The Weight … allowed for the movie, declined for the CD. So the Executive Producer (one Robbie Robertson) got the Rufus one instead. It may even have been a set-up as Rufus was being courted by Dreamworks at the time … he mentions something about it in an interview I can't be bothered to find. Rufus does it well live … he did it on the Hal Wilner and on his solo concert that I saw.

That brings us back to that "best version" thing … for at least a month, I thought it was the John Cale (which I now find too mannered). Then for another couple of months it was k.d. lang. it's settled back on Leonard now.. But which version? It's changed a lot.

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dlew919

It's Cale in the film; Wainwright on the CD... Must have been licensing, or something.

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Peter V

Joe … it sounds as if the concerts on consecutive nights were the ones Leonard's band was talking about. If so, you were in the same hall as Leonard at the Dylan show.

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Roger

I too was at the Leonard Cohen gig in Bournemouth. Second time I've seen him this year and we're off to see him again in Birmingham next week. I've always appreciated Leonard Cohen's work, both music and poetry and read both books back in the decade.

I'd never compare LC, JRR or Joni. Or any of my songwriters. I couldn't say which one's 'best'. The concept doesn't make sense to me. Whether I listen to 'Rocking Chair' or 'Alexandra Leaving' I have a great time. Dylan, The Beatles, The Band, Joni, Paul Simon and Leonard are so special for me both musically and culturally I couldn't replace them. I'm a big fan of Robbie's solo work; I think Dirt Farmer is a great album but both are replaceable and neither are 'the best'.

I'm with Barney Hoskyns; together The Band were the best band ever (I used 'best'!). Good to hear from you Dunc. Glad you saw Leonard.

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joe j

Subject: RIP

Mitch Mitchell died last night in Portland, Oregon. Apparently he had been in poor health. I'll give Jimi a spin tonight and have an ear for the drummer.

Another Leonard cover album is Tower of Song. Bono's version of Hallelujah sucks badly but there are a few nuggets including Don Henley's Everybody Knows and Jan Arden's If It Be Your Will. It killed me when Dylan and Leonard played here on consecutive nights last winter and I was only able to score tickets to the former. No complaints with Dylan (I took the kids) but by all accounts Leonards show was the better of the two. Hopefully there will be a next time.

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Brien Sz

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Peter V

Nice story. You could add that he whose eyes are fixed to the ground often bumps into other people and has to get used to such collisions. He whose eyes are fixed on the sky will find that his shoes get covered with dog crap.

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Empty Now

Subject: The Band

I like this allegory/reflection:

One day at the beginning of the ages, two brothers quarreled.
They never dared to look at each other's eyes anymore.
One looked at his feet towards the ground, the other one raised his eyes towards the sky.
Hellenic populated his loneliness with forms, getting in technical roots, leaving a small place to the divine.
There toward the sky where Hebraic steered his glance, appeared the prophet, words to communicate, dedicated in the mystic, vagueness, mimicking.
So were born two cultures

- adapted from “Two Answers” of Malek Ben Nabi (1905 – 1973)

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Peter V

But do you prefer the rhymes to be "ya"? That's part of the humour of it. This year, Leonard does "you" rather than "ya". Tiny point. The live album of the 2009 tour when and if it appears will likely be the best version.

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dlew919

Teh original remains the best - Leonard Cohen's.John Cale's (on the Shrek soundtrack) is next. Then Jeff Buckley's. After that, I hate teh bloody thing (too many Idol contestants thinking they're Buckley. Well, they've got Buckley's...

But it shows just how good Cohen is - really understated - almost not singing... yet, brilliantly doen, and great lyrics.

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Peter V

In the late 60s I was immune to the charms of Leonard Cohen and didn't get into him until the eighties when I saw him on TV doing 40 minutes. I would have placed The Band higher in every way. But just now I realized that we here were indulging in such a minority taste. On the Cohen site, there were EIGHTEEN posts reacting to Leonard's Bournemouth concert … in a small town, though people travelled a long way.

What's the largest number we've ever had on a Band-related concert? Three? Four? Something like that. I know The Band had virtually gone when the GB started, but there were things like Carnegie Hall, the last one in New Orleans etc just within its life.

It reminds me of seeing Jackson Browne a few years ago. I would certainly think of him as less important in the "History of Rock" than The Band, but he easily filled a 3000 seater in Bournemouth, and the audience seemed to know every word of every song.

Then I think of the Before The Flood tour with 20 million ticket requests. Jackson Browne never got within a mile of that. But later the same year The Band were playing as support to CSNY. Why? At the time even, I thought it should have been the other way around. And I saw Wembley … the seven hour separation between The Band's set and CSNY's was fortuitous for CSNY. And the 1976 tour before TLW was blighted by empty seats and cancelled shows. How did that all happen? One has to conclude that The Band were badly-managed and promoted from mid 1974 on.

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Peter V

There's a cover disc on the latest MOJO consisting of cover versions of Leonard Cohen songs, plus there's "I'm Your Man" soundtrack to Hal Wilner's"Came So Far for Beauty" stage show. Martha Wainwright's Tower of Song is on that. I wa at the Brighton show where she sang it.

Another is "I'm Your Fan" a set of covers on Columbia from 1991, which includes John Cale's Hallelujah (Shrek).

Then there's Jennifer Warnes "Famous Blue Raincoat" and more recently released "Judy Collins Sings Leonard Cohen: Demoracy" which compiles stuff from 40 years.Collins discovered Cohen in that she persuaded him to sing, and did the first Cohen cover, "Suzanne".

So you're well-catered for if you like the songs but don't believe he was born with the gift of a golden voice … but he was.

I never got into Beautiful Losers either. File next to Tarantula (well, it's not THAT bad).

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Karen

Does anyone know if Levon Helm is going to release a follow-up to "Dirt Farmer" anytime soon? I've read that he had recorded a lot of songs plus that album. I wonder if this is in fact true.If you know anything please post something.

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gaullede

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gaullede

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kristie

Speaking of Bruce Cockburn I recently started listening to him (this summer)after a friend raved about him. The first album I bought was"High winds white sky" I loved it from the beginning to the end and haven't gone a day without playing it since(much like my first time playing"Music from big pink.") What a phenomenal musician. Just a beautiful album. I am on the lookout for more.

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brown eyed girl

Kevin J: The only cover of "Out Of The Blue" I've heard is Joe Cocker's...it's beautiful....but when Robbie sings it....well you know....My only complaint is that there's no video of The Band doing it together!

Peter: When I'd go on trips with Mr. Maximus and family to the east coast...We'd share our music while on the road. You can imagine (well you can 'cause we've exchanged music) my brown eyed girl CDS with one minute you'd hear Marley, the next Tupac, the next The Band, the next Motown, the next Van, the next Marc Anthony singing to salsa, to....He'd always put on some Leonard Cohen....I'd be sitting there cringing.....the way he probably cringed when he'd hear some of my fave songs...lol....but one day I downloaded Leonard's "Ten New Songs". Now I liked Leonard's music, singing and lyrics! Before I heard this recording all of us saw Jennifer Warren for 7.00 at Ontario Place to perform all of his songs.....and yeah......He writes the songs! I could never get into his novel...._Beautiful Losers_.....could you? As for Irving Layton....My fave poem is "The Cockroach"......brilliant! Even when I saw Eric Andersen solo he'd talk about Irving......The best cover I've heard of Leonard's "Haleleujah" is by Jeff Buckley!!!

Hi Dunc!

Being a fan of Dylan....Ilkka knows this fact very well...I checked out his home when he lived with Suze Rotolo (walk up) and when he lived with Sarah (townhouse) while in NYC. I also tried to find Robert DeNiro's home on 14th street.....

The Score and The Band Part 1 and Part 2.

"You Ain’t Goin’ Nowhere" rozzz and Bumbles or else I'm going on strike! I guess you all realize that I still haven't started my reports so may not be such a bad idea afterall.....;-D

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Kevin J

Subject: Tower of Song

Martha Wainwright - My second favorite cover of a L. Cohen song. Quite stunning what she does with it here. Wonder why RR doesn't work harder to get Between Trains or Out of the Blue into the right hands.

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Joan

Subject: Bill M Bawdy Songs

Just the type of song that appeals to the pre adolescent boys at camp.:-D

Dunc, good to see you back.I was just thinking of your whereabouts yesterday,

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Bill M

Meanwhile, Trevor Veitch got himself a good gig with Tom Rush, to whom he introduced the songs of Hawkins and McLauchlan. Veitch surely had something to do with Rush also hiring Bill Stevenson as his piano player, Richard Patterson as his drummer and road manager, and Brent Titcomb as session harmonica player. In fact, there's even a small Hawks link in there, as Rush hired Sandy Konikoff to drum in the Veitch-led group, but Sandy bailed when Rush took a break from touring and Veitch moved the musicians to Toronto to record with Titcomb. Sandy's suggested replacement, Buffalo chum Gary Mallaber, joined them there and wound up on Rush's subsequent "Merrimac County" LP.

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Kevin J

Great to see you back Dunc! Thought of you when Peter starting listing off great Canadian songwriters or interpreters of songs or perhaps just lyric writers according to some.....anyway welcome back.

Favorite thing this week: That BEG clip of The Band playing at the RRHOF and seeing Rick Danko smiling at Robbie's playing - side by side on stage again. Was that the last time they ever played together? Anyway, something heartwarming about it!

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Steve

Nice to know though that even back in the day some guys writing the words were sharing credits. But like I said, I don't really know much Leonard.

I do know he was a student of one of Canada's more gifted poets, Irving Layton, while growing up in Montreal.

Gordon Lightfoot is hitting the road once again. I think I heard 30 cities, US and Canada. Tickets go on sale Friday.

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David P.

I remember getting the LP version of RATM's "Renegades" when it was first relesed. As I recall, it was the group's intense energy that impressed me most at the time. I haven't listened to the record in a while, but discussion here has prompted me to check it out again.

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Peter V

The story I enjoyed this week was Dylan going to see Neil Young's childhood home in Winnipeg. I wish I'd thought of visiting Shelley's tomb in Bournemouth yesterday, because I'd guess that Leonard Cohen had (judging by the new line). You see, these guys are fans too. In the major Cohen article in Mojo, his band describe him taking them all to see Dylan who was playing the day before. Leonard thought it essential they see him… but insisted they wear earplugs to protect their hearing for their own show the next night … because they play very quietly indeed.

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Kevin J

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JT

Hi BEG One of the respected writers who sticks to the music and keeps me here and reading. And you too, Bill M. The recent submission about Bruce Cockburn and the first recording was worth the price of admission. You guys make it all worthwhile and you too Peter. I sincerely hope Leonard comes west so I can see him in the serenity of the west coast. (I missed Toronto as I was out west).

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JT

So, it was making me dizzy to try to remember so I did what any good Bobcat does... I looked! Here is a 1996 concert. I was at this one. He also played with him once in Buffalo later in the decade. Bob Dylan 960428 at the Concert Hall, Toronto, Ontario -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.Crash On The Levee (Down In The Flood) 2.Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You 3.All Along The Watchtower 4.I Don't Believe You (She Acts Like We Never Have Met) 5.It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Train To Cry 6.Silvio 7.Mr. Tambourine Man (acoustic) 8.Desolation Row (acoustic) 9.Friend Of The Devil (acoustic) 10.Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again 11.What Good Am I? 12.Seven Days 13.Alabama Getaway 14.Girl Of The North Country (acoustic) 15.Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 (with Paul James)

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Bill M

Looking at the Cohen itinerary, I've gotta say that the urbane sophisticates in the band were lucky they started off in Fredericton, said to be the prettiest city in the Maritimes. But Glace Bay a few days later - maybe not so much. A musical hotbed of sorts, though, having spawned Don MacDougall of the Guess Who (who recorded his "Glace Bay Blues") and also of the magnificently scatalogical MacLean and MacLean (the older half of which died just last week).

Speaking of Leonard Cohen, there was a CBC special on him the other night - a broadcast of Montreal tribute show last summer that featured Cohen and others doing his songs. Syrena Ryder did an absolutely stunning version of "Sisters Of Mercy".

Some years ago (well, a quarter of a century ago), I picked up an old book titled something like "Young Commonwealth Poets 1962", which included the work of two Canucks: Leonard Cohen and William Hawkins - and it was for Hawkins' poems that I bought it. Which brings me back to the recent CD tribute to him, "Dancing Alone" (see link), which I highly recommend to those of you who like folkish. Bruce Cockburn is the biggest name involved, though Murray McLauchlan, Brent Titcomb, Ian Tamblyn, Sneezy Waters and Bill Stevenson have all had some sort of profile over the last few decades.

Peter V: Oddly enough, the first Bruce Cockburn song that anyone ever recorded, as far as I know, was "Bird Without Wings", as echoed in the book title you mentioned. Very Cohenish ("In the circle of your arms I would have set the sun in silver, and made for you a ring so fine"), but likely also very Hawkinsish insofar as, as it says in the liner notes, Cockburn's first songwriting forays were attempts to set Hawkins' poems to music. In fact they even collaborated as far back as '66 on a rock opera (aborted) - see Wikipedia under "Rock Opera"). Oh yes, the song was recorded in '68 by Three's A Crowd, produced by Mama Cass and with Ken Koblun, ex Neil Young's Squires and Buffalo Springfield, on bass.

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dlew919

Great to see you.

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brown eyed girl

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Kevin J

Above link is L. Cohen's induction into RRHOF. The best 5 minutes on youtube. The longer version has more of the great Lou Reed.

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Dunc

Subject: Scotland

A first post in the GB. Saw Leonard in Glasgow. Great show as Peter says. Still Robbie for me though. Not mean much to you guys, but the brilliant Michael Marra on Saturday. Next Monday seeing John Martyn play one of the great albums - Grace and Danger. Look at the review at the Barbican from the Telegraph. Perhaps next year an evening with Robbie Robertson. Hope everybody is fine.

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JT

Indeed, Paul James was on stage with Dylan. It was in Toronto at the Kingswood stage in the late 1980s if I recall correctly. I was there. It was for only 1 0r 2 numbers.

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Peter V

The man from Montreal co-wrote many songs with singer Sharon Robinson (who is in the current band) and makes a huge point of crediting her on stage every time. It was the man from Toronto who wrote most of them on his own, Robertson rather than Robinson.

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joe j

Yeah, apparently Roz and Bumbles have been shown the door and the GB is the worse for that

Bumbles offended me ONCE and Roz shocked me ONCE (OK maybe twice). I was able to get over it. Some can't.

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Peter V

The bios are from the Canadian leg of the tour. They dropped the violinist before they got to Europe.

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Bill M

JTF: Well said, re differences of opinion.

dlew: Thanks for telling me who wrote "1234". Re your proposed vow, won't help, unfortunately.

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Peter V

Subject: Leonard Cohen's band

The link takes you to the Leonard Cohen schedule … scroll down for bios of the band members.

Roscoe Beck is the musical director as well as singing and playing 5-string bass guitar and double bass. I looked at the bio now and he's originally from Poughskeepie, New York. How about that for a Band connection?

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joe j

I note that Paul James guested at Dylan's London concert last night. Apparently he played on the first five songs. I stand to be corrected but I don't think it's the first time the Toronto rocker has been on stage with Dylan.

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Empty Now

Subject: guess solution / an awesome quote of St-Augustine / and transubstantiation

in the link above are French soldiers (as called in dlew919 link)

“For singers, either in the harvest, or in the vineyard, or in any other busy work, after they have begun in the words of their hymns to exult and rejoice, being as it were filled with so great joy, that they cannot express it in words, then turn from actual words, and proceed to sounds of jubilation[*]. The jubilee is a sound signifying that the heart laboureth with that which it cannot utter...that the heart may rejoice without words, and the boundless extent of joy may have no limits of syllables.” Augustine of Hippo , in Enarrationes in Psalmos, 32, ii, Sermo 1:8.

Glossolalia is a tongue which can not be understood by its speaker / La la da pa da le na da na / Ve va da pa da le na la dumda / It translates in “They died for a country they never seen” semble-t-il

[*] Reunited Band Connected

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Kevin J

Steve: Suzanne Verdal from your lovely town did feed him the oranges – didn’t she? Really no song without that! Her time “in the room” might also have been more intimate.

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JT

I was moved to write when I saw comments from people I respect regarding Rage Against The Machine and its members. I listen to a variety of sources and types of music. At 60 years old, I am a huge fan of this band and was sorry to see them disband (happy with the short reunion around convention time). They are voices to be reckoned with, disturbing voices and rhythms, to shake us up and remind us all of the issues and the concerns that remain pervasive. In our time of self-indulgence and of the self-absorbed attitudes of today, these reminders are critical in my view. When I need to be shaken up, I listen to the first album (it is on the iPOD and gets as much play as any Dylan I listen to and that is considerable). Who is today's Rage (maybe the writings and speaking engagements of Henry Rollins). Rage gives a sobering balance to the listener. I am and continue to listen!

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Steve

Sorry Kevin I've moved on but just let me say this about that, unless you're taking credit for co-writing UOCC feel free to mouth away, I've never commented on that before and see no need to now.

More important news on pink accessories. Ipsos Reid, a Canadian polling company, has done some polling for the big cell phone makers concerning the color of phones people will buy. Here's the important bit for Pinksters. The percentage of women who'll buy a pink phone is 13%. The percentage of males who'll buy one is 0. Yes that's, right 0%.

Kevin that doesn't mean you can't get one to match that autographed, Last Waltz, limited edition sacred foulard you have hanging in the closet, but you might have to special order if you want one by Christmas.

Jean if you're not practicing 100% of the time you've probably been removed from the list by the big fellow, remember he's keeping an eye on you at all times.

Kevin, one distinguishing feature between Cohen and J2Rs' songs is Leonardo probably wrote the songs by himself, unless I completely missed the Famous Blue Raincoat Feud, then I stand corrected.

BEG, you're a true musical adventurer, I tend to stick with what I know, unfortunately.

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brown eyed girl

Yes Comrade Stevon Farm and Brien Zzz...I had downloaded a long time ago RATM's cover of "Maggie's Farm" which Zach de la Rocha can sing with such a snear that Dylan's original is that of a choir boy...unless you check out his "Hard Rain" version. It was their very own "Guerilla Radio" that made me check them out for the first time thanks to the days when I would check out videos of all musical genres. Here it is.....They're the rap incarnation of The Clash! BTW Morello is 44....I love their lyrics but their rap is too harsh for me whereas Tupac's had melody....different kind of street poetry where the guitar is not emphasized as in the case of RATM.

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Kevin J

Subject: Jack

Agree............kd at her finest!

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Kevin J

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Jack

Strange about Leonard Peter. In North America he usually closed every show with "Closing Time." New arrangement where he speeds it up and doesn't use the violin. I prefer the original. Also adding a B3 to his sound is amazing. Hallelujah sounded better than ever with the B3 in place.

I believe kd lang sings Hallelujah better than anyone I have ever seen.

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Peter V

Time … precisely 8 o'clock start, precisely 11 o'clock finish (hall rule). A twenty-minute interval … and a precise start afterwards. Two hours 40 minutes and every song great … and we were all left bemoaning the absence of Closing Time, Sisters of Mercy, Chelsea Hotel, Alexandra Leaving … he could have done another hour without dropping quality,

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Kevin J

Peter: Thank you for the review. You forgot to mention whether he started on time! An iteresting debate on songwriters. Gordon Lightfoot is also on that list. L. Cohen may well be viewed as the best Canadian songwriter, but his best tunes - Suzanne, Hallelujah, Tower of Song, Famous Blue Raincoat - as great as they are - do not match the absolute majesty of The Weight, Dixie, King Harvest, UOCC.

For the record, kd Lang is not a serious songwriter and would not make any top 50 list in Canada. One of the best live acts of the last quarter century - to be sure, but not a songwriter!

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David P.

Peter: In the current edition of The New Yorker magazine, music writer Sasha Frere-Jones uses the term "transubstantiate" in describing the songwriting of Taylor Swift.

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Joan

Thank you for that post Jean. I just lost about 20 minutes noodling around his other songs on Youtube. His music was required listening at the "socialist Jewish" summer camp I went to in the Late 50's early 60's. Also Bawdy songs and Backroom Ballads by Oscar Brand.

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Peter V

That is a challenging word to squeeze into a lyric … but is it the hardest? No one ever got "antidisestablishmentarianism" into a song as far as I know (it is a mildly related topic so might get in the same lyric). I believe it's a myth that it's the longest word in English … it's a "hypothetical" longest word.

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S.M.

I've heard that Rosalind has been banned. I sure hope she'll be allowed back. Will she?

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Kevin J

In that UOCC video, anyone notice how the camera seems to focus on RR even when others should more logically be highlighted given what is going on in the song at the time. Also Richard seems to be obscured for some reason. Hmm……….Steve - Look into this, will ya please! Also, I found myself mouthing “Great Song” when it was over. 4500 listens and first time I noticed this! Hmm………

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Jean

Subject: Transubstantiation Used In Song

My 5th grade teacher introduced us to Tom Lehrer's That Was The Year That Was album by playing the cut 'New Math' to console us as we struggled to learn that the right answer was NOT important as long as you understood the concept. Some of us bought the album and found that many of the cuts were not meant for our 5th grade sensibilities. The song in the link is called 'Vatican Rag' and is the only song I know of that incorporates the word transubstantiation. As a (mostly) practicing Catholic, I always feel a certain level of guilt for being amused by this song.

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Todd

Here's a link to the King Harvest clip that shows the exterior of the building at the beginning.

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Todd

Subject: The Barn at Turtle Creek

David, I thought that it might be the barn at Turtle Creek studio, but there's a photo of the Bearsville/Turtle Creek barn at the link above, and it appears to be different that the one shown in the AMH DVD. At the beginning of the King Harvest clip, there's an exterior shot of what they're calling Robbie's studio, and it has windows on the side of the building instead of at the end. The building shown on the DVD also appears to be somewhat smaller than the Turtle Creek barn. But I couldn't find any other photos or references to Robbie's studio other than the King Harvest & Cripple Creek video clips.

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Peter V

Leonard Cohen in Bournemouth last night … brilliant, perfect sound, perfect band, everything. He’d changed a couple of songs from London in July … we got The Partisan (half in French, Steve … he is from Montreal) and Famous Blue Raincoat, but lost Closing Time and Sisters of Mercy.

The local factor was apparent … he dropped in a new line reference to Shelley’s heart in Tower of Song (as it’s buried in Bournemouth) and to Robert Louis Stevenson who lived there.

Also noticeable was the Obama factor. When he got to ‘Democracy is coming … to the USA’ in Democracy, there was an instant cheer … and he was expecting it, so it’s a clear European reaction to Obama.

The band is as good as any you’ll ever see in every department, but the bass player / musical director is completely brilliant. One thing I noticed, there were two harmonica solos (by the sax player) and both had a totally clean harmonica sound. Not a trace of Blues / Sonny Boy / Dylan / Young / Springsteen / Levon / Van Morrison squawk (I mean that in the nicest possible way). Just straight melody … it made me think of Larry Adler!

A reminder to look out for the Webb Sisters CD … they were brilliant all night on backing vocals, enlived by suddenly doing a unison cartwheel at one point.

I conclude that Leonard is the greatest Canadian songwriter (beating even Robbie, Joni, Neil and k.d.lang).

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David P.

Todd: The location is identified as Robbie's studio in the "A Musical History" liner notes. As Jack pointed out, it appears to be the Turtle Creek studio at Bearsville. I recall reading somewhere, maybe in MIX (a recording industry magazine), that Robbie & Garth helped design Turtle Creek and it was used intially for Band projects & rehearsals. One hopefully wonders if there might be footage of The Band filmed there.

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Todd

As Jack says, that's not Big Pink.

I think I read somewhere...maybe in AMH, that that one was done in Robbie's studio in Woodstock. It appears to be a barn, but I think that session predates the Bearsville/Turtle Creek era by an album or two. My guess is that it's a barn type structure or outbuilding, presumably on the same property as Robbie's residence in Wodstock at the time. But that's just a guess. It looks like the same session as the 'King Harvest' clip, which can be found on the AMH DVD.

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joe j

Subject: RATM

The Rage can be a little heavy but I can appreciate where they're comin from.

Check the above link for another take on a Dylan classic. It's the Roots doing Masters of War to the tune of Star Spangled Banner.

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Jack

Great video on youtube of UOCC. It says; in the heading that it is being done at Big Pink. That is NOT Big Pink. My best guess; by the look of the windows and the barn wood, is that it was being performed in the Turtle Creek Barn; as opposed to the larger Bearsville Studios.

Not sure; but it's definitely not Big Pink.

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Brien Sz

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Steve

One last comment on Maggie. When I googled Maggie's farm I think there were at least as many links on the google page to Rage's version as to Bob's.

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Steve

I gathered from the CD cover of Renegades that they were into revolutionary ideals. Where was I you ask. Obviously, living comfortably in ignorance when it comes to metal rap bands.

I listened to every song on the CD but most of them only made it halfway to the end before I hit the next track button. But I did really enjoy Maggie's Farm. Have you heard it? IF not, I recommend a listen.

If they'd played this at New Port the banjo man would have turned that ax on them or himself, whoever was closer, to stop that GAWD DAMN AWFUL NOISE! It's a highly recommended listen if only to let you realize how tame Bob's version is, in comparison.

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brown eyed girl

Thank you Ari S!

Here you go Comrade Stevon Farm....I"ve posted about Rage Against The Machine before.....where were ya then? If they were Canadian they'd vote NDP as well. Their guitarist Tom Morello (has a degree from Harvard in Poli Sci) was also in Audioslave and when he plays acoustic he'sThe Nightwatchman...."Guerrila Radio" is another one I have downloaded. Their music is too hard for me but I dig their politics and applaud them for not letting anyone silence their views.

Integral to their identity as a band, Rage Against the Machine voice revolutionary viewpoints highly critical of the domestic and foreign policies of the U.S. government. Throughout its existence, RATM and its individual members participated in political protests and other activism to advocate these beliefs. The band primarily saw its music as a vehicle for social activism; de la Rocha explained that "I'm interested in spreading those ideas through art, because music has the power to cross borders, to break military sieges and to establish real dialogue."[40] Morello said of wage slavery in America: “ America touts itself as the land of the free, but the number one freedom that you and I have is the freedom to enter into a subservient role in the workplace. Once you exercise this freedom you've lost all control over what you do, what is produced, and how it is produced. And in the end, the product doesn't belong to you. The only way you can avoid bosses and jobs is if you don't care about making a living. Which leads to the second freedom: the freedom to starve. ” — Tom Morello, Guitar World[41]

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Empty Now

Subject: correction

climbs to the sky WITHOUT LADDER

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Steve

While waiting in the car for my younger son during a visit to his orthodontist yesterday I started looking through the CD collection kept in the car by my sons. I was looking for songs I might recognize and came across an album of covers by Rage Against The Machine called Renegade, which is an album of covers.

To my delight there were two of my favorites, Street Fighting Man and Maggie's Farm.

I wasn't aware Rage is/was a Metal/Punk/Rock/Rap band.

Listening to Street Fighting Man almost made me skip Maggie's Farm but fortunately I gave it a listen.

It actually makes any version that I've heard by Dylan, any version, sound like a poppy radio tune. But half way through I was already liking it.

He makes it very clear He AIN"T GOIN TO WORK ON MAGGIE"S FARM NO MORE!!!!!! . He leaves little room for doubt how he feels about Ma, Pa, Maggie's brother and Maggie herself.

When he says , "He puts his cigar out in your face just for kicks," your face burns. NAH, HE AIN"T GOIN TO WORK ON MAGGIE'S FARM NO MORE

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joe j

It's a TV doc that I vaguely remember. Gotta love that smile, or is it a smirk, from Garth.

Speaking of whom, there was a post from NB a while ago about a possible visit from Garth. What was that all about? It may well have been some of NB's nonsense and I don't recall any related discussion. Could be just a joke I never got.

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Empty Now

Subject: dlew919 thanks again

or Gallipoli campaign seen from a random side,
Gallipoli campaign had at least the tragic/happy [depending on which camp you are] consequence to confine the Ottoman Empire into today’s Turkey
Visting by the mid-70s the maritime museum of Amsterdam, scheepvaartmuseum, I was hooked by a trophy proudly exposed as “18th century Algerijen ship captured by the Dutch navy in the Mediterranean basin”, my astonishment of the importance given to a layout of woodwork in a museum who owns Captain Cook’s boat was perhaps the spark for my interest with the fabulous story of the Barbary Corsairs, which grew today by my need to understand the ethnicity of the city where I am living…
I learned aftermath that in fact the most Barbarian corsair, Morat Rais aka John Barber, commander of both unbelievable raids of Vestmannaeyjar Iceland 1627, and Baltimore Ireland, 1631, is ironically a Dutchman from Haarlem, born Jan Janszoon, and for the record the name Barbary has nothing to do with Barbarian nor Berber, it’s an alteration of Barbarossa (Redbeard) the Italian nickname of the corsair from Lesbos who founded the Ottoman State of Algiers in 1516, after a brief attempt in Jijil.
— On his way to and from Bujēya he had noticed the very place for his purpose – a spot easy to defend, perched on inaccessible rocks, yet furnished with a good harbour. This was Jījil, some sixty miles to the east of Bujēya; whose sturdy inhabitants owed allegiance to no Sultan, but were proud to welcome so renowned, although now so unfortunate, a warrior as Barbarossa. Those “indomitable African mountaineers,” who had never owned a superior, chose him by acclamation their king. — page 44 from Stanley Lane-Poole book “The Story of the Barbary Corsairs” Ed. G.P.Putnam’s Sons, New-York 1890
Notice in passing this strait of personality of a people who accepts a leader only if he’s perfect – why are always people oblivious of the middle name Hussain ?
The best indomitable African mountaineers I knew, or one of the best I knew, he lived 105 years, forever young. I heard him sometimes intone a tune with inaccurate words from several tongues, one of those overlooked bawdy songs resumed of a distant past :
- translated
“Hadj Guillaume climbs to the sky without a ladder
Marseille, Salonique, Les Dardanelles, Vas-y Mathilda”
Kaiser Wilhelm was known as Hadj Guillaume to the Zouave troopers “The German who put a sharp helmet to play headbutts with we”, guess what in dlew919’s link they call the French soldiers, since I guess climbs to the sky is related to aircraft being introduced in WWI
“Vas-y” (pronounce “vah-zee”) a time-honoured French expression for “go ahead”, long I wondered about that mysterious phrase repeatedly occurring in the tales from the old man of the Jijil mountains who did the Dardanelles in WWI. What the hell “vas-y mathilda” is supposed to mean in a bawdy song, until the mysterious phrase vanishes from my memory. Forgive my past ignorance, but who believes that the GB is bad ?
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dlew919

did you notice the 10th of a second shot of David Crosby (I think)... I THINK, only THINK, that it is a documentary on 60s music which I've seen: I remember it because my brother-in-law (actally mrs dlew's brother in law) was watching it, and he was going on about how much better music was in the 60s. The stirrer in me couldn't resist (I can be naughty!), and I told him how Dylan couldn't sing, play, nor could he arrange songs properly. I know more about music than he does (which shows how litle he knows... ;-)), and very quickly had him 'on the ropes', and getting angrier!

I didn't agree with anything I was saying....

The session is a similar one o the one on the Best of AMH dvd ...

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Ari S.

Great footage of The Band recording Up On Cripple Creek and Robbie's intro on the derivation of the name "The Band".

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Charlie Y

Subject: Obama Party

Virginia Governor Tim Kaine literally said the words "Old Virginny is dead" last week following the Obama win in the state, but the phrase "Up in New Virginny" has no connection to The Band, so I'm staying put.

I got to go to one of the Bill Clinton inaugural parties at DAR Constitution Hall in 1996 and the music included Bela Fleck, Bruce Hornsby, George Duke, Bob Weir and lots of other amazing musicians. I also got to see Mr. Hornsby and his band open for Stevie Wonder at a Clinton campaign event in the same historic venue. I imagine Stevie Wonder will return for the Obama bash, though I suspect it will take the humongous new DC Convention Center to contain a small percentage of the crowd that would like to be there.

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Adam

Recently I sorted through Bobby Charles' post-Bearsville releases (Wish You Were Here Right Now, Secrets of the Heart, Last Train to Memphis, Homemade Songs) to make a 2 disc "best of". Bobby's recent releases have been hit or miss for me. There is some quality stuff, but often there are weak songs (such as the New Orleans "party" songs or the sappy pop ballads, both of which he has a few of). Even though some of the better material is still weakened by the production/backing musicians (Sonny Landreth's guitar is mostly annoying throughout), I put together a nice collection of his stronger stuff and sequenced it chronologically. Anybody who has his recent stuff want to comment?

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Joan

Subject: Drum solos

As I said earlier, I like drum solos. My sister in law is Brazilian and turned me on to Batucada. The Brazilians know how to make music and party.

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David P.

It was interesting to hear that Van Morrison performed his 1968 landmark "Astral Weeks" album in its entirety in concert this past weekend at the Hollywood Bowl. Reports are that the performances were recorded for LP/CD/DVD versions set for release early next year.

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Jack

Now I like that explanation Peter.

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sorry, but here's the right link