The Band Guestbook October 2008

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rosalind

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Joan

Subject: Abby/James Franco

Abby, James Franco is cute, but I still vote for Billy Crudup.I know we've done this before, but I still stand by my choice. :-D.

Enjoy your night out. A good haircut does wonders for the mood.

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Peter V

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Carol

Rosalind- Thank you for proving my point with your post. That's exactly what Rick would *not* say and just how he would *not* want to be remembered.

Hi Lil--I loved your story; I can very clearly see it!

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abby

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Steve

Bill who would have decided to drop the bass and drums farther back in the sound, The Band, as producers or Mark Harman?

Abby I'll put your apology for offending the puritans down to it being day 14 of your 14 day thingy.

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John W.

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rosalind

Subject: This Steve Forbert Deal

So What! I'm sure if Rick were here he'd be buddyin' up to Steve and sayin Ain't it True Friend, True Indeed! That's just the kinda crazy sumbitch I was and believe me, I'd still be a doin' it if I was still alive! He be laughin' and elaboratin' on it! He'd be remembering his most stoner night and how that night he walked out on that stage and done the best show of his life! Tore the house right to the ground! Left'em beggin' for more!

I never knew Rick but he didn't seem to me to be no shrinking violet when it came to partying! He wasn't ashamed of his enormous appetite for the high-life!

Why would people get so down in the mouth out about somebody telling the truth about a wonderful crazy cat who lived life to the fullest, toured the whole world, played a great show, went home and went to sleep in his own bed... ? That ain't too bad when ya think about it. Most of us could only hope to live a life like Rick did so... Here's to Ricky! be thankful we had him and he left but.. he didn't leave quietly!

And Quit dish-raggin' around about it! Everybody dies ...surely man ..even you!

Besides probably in about 6 months or so ...we'll all be dead!

Happy Monster Missile Attack Everybody!

Does anyone know what the letters C H A N G E really stand for? Well, don't expect no answer from me!

"Beware the dreamers of the day for they will enact their dreams with open eyes"

Lawrence of Arabia

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Empty Now

Subject: correction

the bloody insurrection led by the agitator Boudali in the region of Constantine was in May 1804 not in 1750 as mentionned in my previous post, why did i post 1750?, even 1804 was too early for submarines,
a tighter Band Connection is that there was also a Decatur involved in the facts, isnt him from old virginny...

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DEE

Subject: WESTCOASTER

Good to have you back....enjoyed your most recent post. The pictures of the Tug are great....must be the tidiest tug on the sea. The ones on Lake Michigan are rather grubby. About the CD...MORE!

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Carol

I think it is important to distinguish between the personal/emotional and the business/professional. The emotional part of me says: The dog shit Rick has scraped off the bottom of his boots is more significant than Steve Forbert OR his opinions OR his lyrics.

The professional part of me says: The canine fecal matter Rick has scraped off the bottom of his boots is more significant than Steve Forbert OR his opinions OR his lyrics.

My sense of him, in speaking with him, is that he is very full of himself and seems to fancy himself a poet. But writing "Romeo's Tune" and rhyming "straw" and "saw" does not a Shakespearean sonneteer make.

BEG--You're very sweet and I appreciate your kind thoughts. But it is really not about me, or about being hurt. Rick had lots of people who loved him, and I am sure those people were just as offended. It is more about the truth, and about the sordid picture he chose to paint, when he could have chosen so many other ways to portray Rick.

I am really sorry if I hurt your feelings; I didn't mean to. I am glad that his songs have been healing to you.

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Steve

Thanks Lil for the info on Neil. Obviously Neil hasn't checked into the rules recently. He never had to give up Canuckastani citizenship to take out citizenship in another country that would allow him to keep his own.

The US used to demand that you drop your other citizenship if you became a US citizen but that ended sometiime in the 80's. He might have checked into it before the US changed their rules.

I guess he is living as a landed immigrant( that's the classification in Canada) which allows you to do pretty much everything acitizen can except vote.

Maybe I should call him and get him up to speed.

I would just like to say this STEVE Forbert character is dishonoring the name STEVE. I may have to contact him as well. Is this Forbert a big fella, I've never seen him? Though, if he's really as old as BEG, it should be no problem givin him a GOOD GAWD DAMN WHUPPIN!

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abby

Seeing as Luke Wiilson says he's always wanted to make a movie about Rick's life after the Last Waltz, and seein' as I've been seeing a lot of ads for the Harvey Milk movie lately, I think I've come up with the perfect person to play Rick! (no, not Sean Penn - not hardly!) but James Franco. How about that, JULIE? He has a similar look, (close enough so they can use their special effects magic to 'dankotize' him) but more than anything, he's just kind of goofy and sweet and always smiling and always seems to look like he just smoked a joint.(no harm meant there - we've all done it - no big deal) But I have a feeling Luke's gonna wanna be Rick. "It's MY idea, so I get to be the cool guy!"

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Lil

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Bill M

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Lil

Posted on Wed Oct 25 11:39:46 CEST 2000 Diamond Lil

I do have to agree that it's very irritating to pay good money for a show and then watch your hair turning gray while waiting for it to start. I remember this happening when I saw Steve Forbert years ago. The show, scheduled for 9, didn't start till about 10:30...and when it did..the man was so full of himself that it was nauseating. I really liked his music at the time, but that experience pretty much turned me off to it after that.

And speaking of Steve Forbert, I was very amused several years later when he was in the crowd at one of Rick's shows. Rick called him up onstage to sing with him (they did "Do you wanna dance?") and then just walked off the stage and left him there. Rick was trying to give him the 'spotlight'..but that's not how Mr.Forbert saw it, as we found out later on when he opened the backstage door and called Rick an "a**h**e". Rick (always with that smile on his face) waved 'goodbye' and closed the door on him....and then kind of shook his head and said "f**kin professionals". A pretty funny moment.

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David P.

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Lil

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dlew919

Subject: Lil: Hi!

As I read your post re: Neil, I couldn't help but think of 'rockin' chair'...

But I can't see Neil ever being content 'soothing away all of (his) tears'.... :-D

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Lil

As far as his "tribute" to Rick goes, I completely agree with Carol. I posted way back when in this GB when the song first came out that I thought it was a slap in the face to the whole of the man that Rick was, and I didn't then (and don't now) see it as a "tribute" at all. Whatever though. Rick will always be who Rick was, regardless of some self-serving song by some full-of-himself artist, or the uninformed opinions of others with those same personality traits.

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Bill M

Speaking of Australia, Steve, that hotel that Francey played at deserves its own theme song: maybe "Ayer's Cliff Rock".

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Peter V

But here we're talking about a reference to a music video that has a song that is about a Band member. Is it of interest? Given that content, yes. I really don't feel any dirt was thrown. No one said "Wow, this song brings out the real story!' or anything.

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Lil

From "Time Magazine" interview with Neil Young, 2005.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1110988,00.html

TIME: Are you an American or Canadian citizen?

"I'm a Canadian. I'd like to vote in the U.S. election because I feel like I've got just as much right to vote in them as anybody else. I've lived here for so long, paid taxes for so long and my kids have to register for selective service. I guess I could be a dual citizen, but if I ever had to give up my Canadian citizenship to become American I wouldn't do it, because I wouldn't want to hurt Canada. I love Canada. As I get older, more and more I start singing about Canada. My wife's a California girl, so she loves to be near the ocean, and I love to be near her. So I'm probably going to be here longterm. But a part of me, I don't know, maybe I'll get a cabin up in Canada so when I'm older I can sit on the gold coast up in B.C. and look around. Or be up in the Rockies up there around Banff or something. I wouldn't mind going back, being part of it again"

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Jaynie

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brown eyed girl

METH on STEVE FORBERT October 14, 2004

CM: Were you pals with Rick Danko?

SF: I knew Rick, I didn’t hang out with him for weeks on end, but we did shows together and we hung out some in Woodstock.

CM: When I first heard “Wild as the Wind” [the tribute to Danko] it reminded me of your earlier “House of Cards.” Of course, I didn’t know when you’d written “House of Cards” because it came out so much later. Do you feel a strong connection to the troubadours who came before you?

SF: I feel a pretty strong connection with people who keep it simple and who… The thing about Rick was he was a very giving person and performer. I hear people all over the country say, “He was so real,” and every time I saw him he was the same way. And he seemed to enjoy doing what he did. It didn’t have to be the full Band and, “However big or small; he played the biggest concerts and the little gigs” you know -- it didn’t matter. You look at people like Spalding Gray and what have you got? You’ve got a desk and a glass of water. You have no effects. That kind of thing—I just like that.

Thanks for your response Carol. I understand and appreciate your feelings and I'm sorry that the song hurts you so much. I think the fact that Steve called his song a tribute to Rick is where he loses Rick's fans. The other lyrics in the song however honour Rick. I do disagree with you that Steve is a mediocre songwriter.....His lyrics, his voice and his sound has helped me as I posted before to deal with grief and to deal with relationships in general. Afterall, Steve and I are around the same age so there's a lot there that I can connect with. When I found the recent video I didn't post it right away knowing that certain posters would comment on it....especially since it was coming from the evil brown eyed girl as well.....but then I thought....no....no one is going to censor me here or anywhere. The song is about Rick and it was a recent video and that's why I posted it because it's my job here to find Band related links. ;-D When Robbie puts out another recording I'll gladly move on.......Again.....I do appreciate that you wanted to understand Steve's thoughts and feelings around a song that has hurt many people. Again...I'm sorry that it stirs up pain for you and others who knew Rick or who loved him as an artist.

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Mike (Plochmann Lane)

Happy Halloween, everyone!

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Steve

NB, obviously math is not your strong suit.

Lil, Neil probably can vote in US elections, it would depend on whether or not he has taken out American citizenship, which I'm guessing he has.

He's been in the US for about 40 years and becoming a dual citizen would make living, working and coming and going from the US much easier. He's been married to an American women so applying for citizenship would be simple. Everyone in my family, wife and kids, are all dual citizens. 2 of my kids have ballots to vote in the election even though they've never lived there, they are citizens.

BEG, good thing you shed that skin.

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Friend0

I find Bob's post apretty ccurate for the most part. When Carol gave him the chance to be a mensch Forbert could easily have apologized to all those who were hurt by the lyrics he wrote, and then made his explanation, his case for his song. Instead his response indicated that as far as he was concerned, the most significant aspect of Rick's life & personality was drug usage. I don't know how Carol held herself back, cause Forbert sure deserved to hear her completely emotional response. Of course, there is the liklihood that Forbert does know Rick was an incredible genius of a musician and a nice caring & considering guy, but is just a selfish, self centered bastard and in his need to defend his "song", overlooks everything but his self defense.

Far as Bob referring to Forbert as a jackass for putting the sung out there, well, throughout his career Forbert has prided himself on being a jackass. Talk to any musician or disc jockey that knows Forbert or people who worked with him in any way, it'll come up. Listen to the radio interviews Forbert gives, he says it himself, that he has a reputation for being a dickhead.

My possibly accurate interpretation of Bob's final statement, pondering the motivation for continued defense of Forbert & the song, well, it has been 4 or 5 times now that Angelina has brought that song up. Today's excavation was a pretty aggressive throwing of a shovelfull of the dirt in our faces. It is a wonderment.

Angie can bring up anything she wants. But to expect us not to respond or comment about this, and to expect anyone not to question why she does, and especially in the manner in which she did, would be wrong. A likely interpretation is that Angelina was just looking to start shit. Other possible interpretations would basically be wild speculation. All things considered, i think all the discussion that was returned to Angelina was very civil and restrained.

Heading out.

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Empty Now

Subject: The Band, fingers, and cultural borders

i decreted Chahine great because he retold a story of Joseph that matched my proper vision of the world, whatever are his aesthetical and logical stands. in the chapter "what did exactely happen for events which reached us recorded in biblical books", Historians are seemingly well equiped today to inform us of the exact frame, though i dont even credit any historian since they didnt lkive-witness the events, whatever are their acumen and technical tools of study. in the vein of that team of scientists who once found a desertic branch of the Red Sea where a strong tide flow phenomrnon was likely the Moses sea crossing, and so on was explained the column of fire as a spurting of petroleum, phenomenon still observable today, the 10 plagues of Egypt were scientifically explained one after the other by historians and scientists.
On the other hand, while there's no need to frustrate the mankind of a spiritual substance embedded inside an impressive way of storytelling which went through milleniums, but it could be a pleasant intellectual game to tell a la Chahine all the biblical facts from Adam to Queen of Saba - good luck
Paradoxically, far from thinking that this way of perceiving the facts is an reflex of positivism and an instinct of herezy, i believe it is the highest level of faith. what can be more faithful than to confirm the approximative Bible facts with a concrete substance. the true question to ask (dont look at my finger) is why miracles and supernatural facts stopped as soon as men progressed toward proof-based information, and nobody witnessed anymore any miracle since.

Here's a Band related story from History - circa 1750, the British military intelligence, in their unending plot to undermine the Ottoman empire, prepared a Marabout from Morocco called Boudali to steer up a revolt against the Turkish governor (Bey) of Constantine. The Brits had and incredible advance and an acute knowledge of the North-African man and his perception of religion, its importance in his lifestyle. After a period of study of the character, the Brits spies skilfully waited for Boudali somewhere in the Mediterrannean sea on his way back from the pilgrinage to Mecca, and the first encouter between the two occured when an officer called James Allenby [another one] appeared in front of Boudali's felucca, going out of the inside of a submarine, all alone without escort [yes! in 1750 a small size individual submarine in the deep Mediterranean sea, the skills and individual dedication of those Brits spies from the 18th century is amazing]. Speaking a fluent North-African, Allenby introduced himslef to Boudali and his staff of faithfuls as the prophet Jonas going out the belly of the whale just to invest him with the divine mission to raise the Berber tribes from the North against the Ottoman governor of Constantine. As he saluted him huryuing back inside the whale digestive tract, Allenby-Jonas and God's servant Boudali agreed on further instructions concerning the upcoming revolution. That's what he did, being a Shariff, he had enough influence on the Berber tribes to raize a respectable popular army which waged twice the sack of Constantine and massacred the Janissairs during the 1750's. However, it was more an anarchical jacquerie than a true revolt, after which Boudali retired in the mountains of Kabily, and unlike the usage the Ottoman Regency didnt retaliate as Boudali ended old in the most total oversight.

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Peter V

Going sideways, I found a copy of the 1975 book by Alan Williams "The Man Who Gave The Beatles Away." It reads like a novel, and his account of the early days as their manager are probably "tall tales" but no less entertaining for that. The various drummers BEFORE Pete Best are entertaining in themself. You can't believe his account of their first trip to Hamburg, but then you turn to the photos and yes, it's all there just as he describes it. Setting off with ten people in a little Bedford van with a primus stove for tea, and some sandwiches. There's a picture of them sitting on a war memorial in Holland. There's the van being loaded on a ship.

It does relate to the theme of dope, because the story of Dylan turning The Beatles on is so widespread. Reading Williams' description of the clubs in Liverpool and Hamburg in 1960 to 1961, and the strong Jamaican influence in the inner circles, I would reckon that the often quoted scene was The Beatles "putting Dylan on" rather than "Dylan turning The Beatles on".

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Peter V

QUOTE: The song is anything but a tribute and he's a jackass for putting it out there. And the motivation to continue to defend him and the song is odd at best.

I was also noting the requests for continuous bowdlerization from the guy (Wart?) the week before, and that this is a regular theme from some posters. I think it’s the mildly paranoid “motivitation to continue to defend him is odd at best” that touched my splutter reaction. It’s a song. It’s about Rick. It’s out there. Why is there talk of “odd motivations”? Isn’t that a personal dig and off the point?

As you point out, the Band members have been totally candid about drug problems, look at Levon’s book for starters. I’m not harping on Japan (though it was another brick in the wall of the collapse of the 90s Band), but I am harping on the tendency of some people to want the statues to be shining white marble without a speck of pigeon shit. I think the subjects would find that desire amusing, that’s all. I also think the various addictions among them are a major part of the story, as I read it, and as Levon and Robbie have told it. And there’s no “sides” in it. Robbie wanted rid of The Band because it had become “totally drug infested” in his words. Then said they’d do more in the studio, but instead spent the next year or more snowblind watching old movies with Scorsese. Which was probably more entertaining than sitting around waiting for everyone to turn up at the studio. It’s such a common theme when you have five successful talented people … getting everyone firing on all cylinders simultaneously. After a certain amount of success, it’s extremely difficult and time-consuming to get everyone in the same place at the same time raring to go. It’s true of every band … Beatles, Stones, Eagles … all of them.

Jeff’s point about Steve Forbert possibly feeling snubbed by Rick Danko is interesting, and sounds plausible.

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dlew919

Most interesting. Er, I guess you were right (which I'd already suggested...)

Although a couple of years back ... ;-)

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abby

Subject: uh...I think I was right

Hey, Dlew - this is for you. See the first link "Neil Young's Politics"

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Friend0

First, I'll point out to Peter that Angelina's first post today on ths subject was a pretty direct request for discussion. Actually she threw down the gauntlet. Angie's post was , hey this is Forbert's position,he don't fit in but he's original, and if you don't get it you're just a moron who would see a finger when someone show's you the moon. The ensuing discussion was no more than asked for.

while I do not pretend to read Forbert's mind, i'll retell the story of one event that may be the actual impetus for the song. And as Zzz points out, Forbert wouldn't have had the balls to sing this song to Rick. Of course, it would have had to be written a little differently, cause Rick'd have to be alive to hear it.

Discussing the Forbert song, a musician friend told me this story, and he is a legitimate source. The guy's a longtime fixture on the NYC music scene, and a decent guy. Has a clear head and even way about himself. It sure seemed to him that the song was payback to a dead man. At the Lonestar, backsatge, before a show, Forbert told Rick to stop doing what he was doing, cause he had a show to do. Forbert did not get the response he desired. Forbert went on, did his set, towards or at the end introduced a song and invited Rick up to perform it with him,and introduced him. Well, no Rick, Forbert called for Rick again. No Rick. Rick was there, but he wasn't having any. Forbert did the song himself, and was the none too pleased the rest of the evening.

Now, there may be no relation. It may just be coincidence. But, writing a song about Rick Danko, because you loved the guy, there a million other things to write about first.

Of course, if you attended The National Enquirer School of Songwriting, Wild As The Wind is a song you might want to pass off as art and a tribute.

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Carol

Peter--

I don't think anyone called Steve Forbert a liar. I certainly didn't. I don't think he had a sinister motive in writing the song--and shame on him if he did. Though he did have the slightest edge of an attitude about it, he sounded sincere in the fact that he *intended* the song as a tribute--but I *do* take offense to the characterization in question--not because I was "so close" to Rick or because I can't bear to hear anybody say anything negative about him, but because it is not an accurate characterization--and I *know* that it's not an accurate characterization. Now, if it bothers you that I *know* it's not accurate, well that's something else. And I don't think I have ever tried to sanitize or whitewash Rick's "image," for lack of a better word. Rick doesn't need his image whitewashed or sanitized. On the contrary, I think that people should see him for who he really was--a wonderful, complex, talented person who had moods and flaws and struggled with demons and weaknesses, just like every human being who's ever lived. In Rick's case, one of those struggles involved addiction--which, by the way, he never made a secret of--but the portrayal of him as a hapless druggie is wrong. That is *not* who Rick was, even if a mediocre songwriter whose claim to fame was that he was an extra in a Cyndi Lauper video says he was.

Just for the record: idol-worship and pedestals nauseate me; they're not necessary. Rick hated that crap, too. So, please tell me exactly who is trying to sanitize or whitewash anything where Rick is concerned, because I don't see it.

By the way Peter: why is it that you are so hung up on Japan? Who said it didn't happen? Who is pretending? I think Rick was pretty candid about it. I never heard him deny it or try to hide from it. But you seem to find the fact almost obsessively compelling--I'm a little concerned about you.

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dlew919 (risking yet another humbling...)

Is near the piano, and a recording device....

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Northern Boy

When one says Garth in the GB, the Hudson part is understood dlew. Unless of course you're talking about the Garth dude from Mike Meyers' "Wayne's World". Now while Meyers grew up maybe only five or ten miles from me, I never met him nor do I know his sidekick, Garth. So that only leaves our Garth. Now I know I've already lost Steve, but I know you're still with me so far, right dlew ? Actually Steve's still eavesdropping; just give me a second, and I'll get rid of him

STEVE: Is 1.5 singular or is 1.5 plural ?

Ok, it's just us now dlew cause that'll keep Steve busy for a while (ie. the rest of his so-called life).

In answer to your question, I don't wish to diminish my Awesome Powers or lose my Interprovincial Man of Mystery status so I musn't divulge too much. But let me just say that my friend Friendo (who knows Garth), ALSO knows the details of Garth coming out to stay on Northern Boy's expansive northern acreage. BEG also knows a few of the details. However, BEG and my friend Friendo are not only both extremely discreet individuals but they are also extremely discrete individuals (which only sounds redundant) and as such, will probably not disclose much either, other than to confirm that there's substance to what I am telling you. Northern Girl and I are so excited we can't decide whether to have Garth stay upstairs or downstairs. NB

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Joan

I knew you were a tugboat captain and a musician, but I didn't know you were a poet. What a lovely picture you painted.

Safe harbor home.

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Zzzz

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westcoaster

Subject: From the logue book

Thursday - October 30/08 - 03:10 hrs - Rarely at any time but especially this time of year do you get to round Cape Caution with, no wind and calm water. Tonight is the exception, a million stars, no wind, and a very gentle southwest ground swell rolling in, so as to make an easy motion on the ship. My company is the glow of the electronics, radar, GPS, and radio phones. From the old stereo drifts up the music, from a "Norm's Favourites" tape I made long ago, and listen to late at night, while I enter my postion to the logue. Richard Manuel's voice, always a comfort slips out, "Oh to be home again - down in old Virginny. With my very best friend, they call him Ragtime Willie," The line always reminds me of my old friend Lars. We need to get the rockin' chairs up close again, and share some stories and a drink........maybe a cup of cocoa. I pull the mike down, and call traffic.."Comox Traffic - the Westcoaster" -- "Westcoaster - Comox Traffic - good morning" --'Morning traffic, I'm just entering yer area, at Cape Caution - south bound running light, in bound for Port Hardy." Thank you Westcoaster, you have the Seaspan King north from Jeanette Islands with one empty log barge in tow...no other traffic. " Thank you traffic.....Westcoaster standing by." Now the Seaspan Kings comes in, "Westcoaster - the King, how's yer weather up on the Cape there tonight Norm? Rick, if it was any flatter, I'd figuer I was at home in the living room. Good Norm, that's what we want to hear..have a good one old son. Now as I slip below the Cape toward Storm Islands, Merle Haggard sings, "Whiteline Fever" The rinkles in my forhead, show the miles I put behind me, They continue to remind me, How fast I'm growin' oold, guess I'll die with this fever in my soul. I hope the wind in the trees is gentle this fall Lars. I'm away again at 05:00 tomorrow morning.........

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dlew919

We crossposted... I defer to both you and Abby. (One I might withstand - 2, never! ;-D). As I said, I got this from Rolling Stone, not the most reliable of sources. Not the least, mind, but... /n I'll shut up now!

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dlew919

Hi Abby! - Neil did rail against terrorists and support the War and he Bush administration: of course, I don't hink he voted for Bush - he's Canadian! (d'Oh!)... but he certainly supported him for a bit. I think he may have gone astray again... he's certainly anti-bush now

Of course, I gleaned this from Rolling Stone, so I could be wrong. Or more accurately, am probably wrong...

and Northern, in the words of the man I most resemble, Max Smart, 'I hope I wasn't out of line with my insulting cracks!" :-D

(A cynic might say that you didn't say Garth HUDSON..., but I'm not a cynic!)

And this leaves us with one statement and one question: Do tell! How do you know Garth?

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Lil

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Steve

Thanks Bill, I always enjoy the little musical journeys you send me on.

The Rockcliffe Hotel that the 63-66 Chevrons played in Ayers' Cliff is still there but is now called The Cliff House. It's the place David Francey played his first ever gig. He was talked into getting up on stage by a guitar playing friend, and they played about a dozen songs the two of them had been singing together while working on carpentry jobs. The rest, of course, is Canuckastani musical history.

NB The last time I saw Garth his thumb nail was all black from having given it a good whack with a hammer. Tell him Steve says hi and remind him that he left his coat here. Thanks

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abby

Dlew - no no no no no. No. I saw Neil on The Daily Show and he's not a George Bush supporter. I believe he was only a Reagan supporter - seems like someone (maybe on the Daily Show) asked him about the Reagan thing and he said something like sometimes people go astray..... Or maybe I didn't read your entire post and you were just jokiing?

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Kristie Lee

Thanks again for the recommendation. I am actually on my way to a great record store in Vancouver called Zulu. Hopefully they will have something. I am not sure if they have been mentioned yet, but there are a few new bands(mostly coming out of Seattle) that have very strong Band/Dylan influences(nothing new, but at least they have good taste), one of the best is called Fleet foxes. I saw them recently in Vancouver and they blew me away. Amazing harmonies. Their debut album is great, and I imagine they will only get better. A couple of others are The cave singers and Oskervil River. Both of which I am going to see in December. And have The Felice brothers been mentioned here? They are great and their organ work must have been inspired by Garth.

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Peter V

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NB

You'll note I didn't use the word "place".

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dlew919

Your place as in 'town'? or your place, as in your house, where you live... if so, I'll start being nice... ;-). If your town - is it for a concert? and will you be going? (I admit, that last quiestion might be rhetorical, like: does the pope sh*t in the woods, or is a bear catholic? (Actually, both of htose are negative rhetorical questions, so bad example... but you know what I mean.)

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bob w.

The song is anything but a tribute and he's a jackass for putting it out there. And the motivation to continue to defend him and the song is odd at best.

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dlew919

Subject: JQ:

Hi JQ: it's a neat question, actually. Over here, of course, right-wing musicians (or at least openly right-wing musicians) are non-existent: but I thought I'd look at avowedly right-wingers (the liberal-democratic right, not those horrid Nazi thrash bands)... do any of them have substance to their music?

Ted Nugent: 'Cat Scratch Fever'; damn Yankees. Both great fun, and the Nuge's own energy is phenomenal...

Johnny Ramone: highly influential punk pioneer. But it was the Democrat Joey who wrote the lyrics (see - 'The KKK took my baby away' - written about Johnny stealing (and later marrying) Joey's girlfriend, or 'Bonzo goes to Bitburg' about Ronald Reagan

Neil Young: I believe he's gone of the GOP (he was in favour of Iraq, and voted for Bush in 2004, I believe)

Now it gets interesting...

Warren Zevon ...

Frank Zappa - actully a libertarian - would have probably preferred Ron Paul, i suspect

... and my mind has gone blank...

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rainy day woman

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NB

I couldn't endorse more strongly Bill M.'s suggestion of the "Tinderbox" CD. It's even Dirtier and Farmier than Dirt Farmer, if such a thing is possible. It's brilliant musically and lyrically. Even the photography on and in the CD is terrific. The photographer has some amazing things in a book about the Mormons at his website. I would buy the photo on the CD cover if I could.

Beg: Thanks for the Libby T. sound sample. I've been curious about her voice for quite some time and am glad I finally heard it. Given her parentage, poor Amy was doomed to be a singer, wasn't she ?

PS. Garth is coming to my house and will be here in the next few days.

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dlew919

Angelina: Happy anniversary to you and that lucky man ;-)

Kristie Lee - welcome back! I'm glad you found us

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David P.

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Bill M

Subject: Ayrescliffe / minor Canuck bands

Steve: The chronology at the link above is mostly for you, as you must know the town of Ayrescliffe, as mentioned on page 3. Among the members of the group, Chan Romero (the only American in the group) is the most important because he wrote "Hippy Hippy Shake". But his replacement, Hans Staymer, did quite well in the '70s. And two of the guys, Burgess and Terry, decamped in Quebec to join the Illustration (LP on Janus), who I remember seeing on a early Saturday afternoon teen US TV show around 1970.

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Joan

Subject: The Band is Back Prarie Fire

Here is one place that seems to have it.I Googled "The Band is Back DVD" and found some others too.

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Jean

I got my dvd from Amazon UK. I wasn't sure I was going to be able to play it because it is PAL and I think most North American dvd players are set for NTSC. We had this discussion on Little Pink a while back and it mostly went over my head. My plan was simply to try to play it and if it didn't play, I'd see about getting a dvd player that would play it (there are some pretty cheap PAL players available). I lucked out in that it does play on our older dvd player.

Now if I could just understand why they left off 'You Don't Know Me' and included 'Willie and the Hand Jive'...

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Bill M

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Carol

Hi BEG

I strive to be open-minded, objective, and non-judgmental when interviewing people, and this one was a little challenging. Steve was talking about emotion, his emotion concerning Rick, and my strictly emotional response would have been "Fuck off, Steve Forbert; you're not fit to carry Rick Danko's guitar."

But I put my emotions aside, because I really did want to hear (and wanted others to know) his point of view, I wanted to understand why he would sum up a man's life--someone larger than life, who had so many, many wonderful facets--with imagery of a wild child swooping down on a mound of cocaine, and being loaded backstage (which must have been hearsay, because Steve was in church at the time, serving as an altar boy).

I still have mixed feelings about the song; I want to believe that he intended it as a tribute, but his "intention" is not what is immortalized in song. People who knew Rick don't need to hear about what a good guy or an incredible talent he was--they know. But what about people who didn't know Rick, and hear this song, and mistakenly think this is the gist of Rick Danko? Well, that makes me sad, because that's not who Rick was.

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PrairieFire

I have been trying for years to find a copy and have checked everywhere. Anyone have any other ideas other than ebay? It would be very much appreciated.

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Friend0

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Bill M

Kristie Lee: Welcome back. I trust you had a great summer up there. As you've been open to my suggestions in the past, I'll bring your attention to the brilliant newish Fred Eaglesmith CD. Don't know about FanTan Alley, but there's an HMV in Vic isn't there?

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Peter V

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Brien Sz

And don't color me wrong on this but because I may have different passions, opinions, thoughts, points of view, et al..., doesn't mean I hold anything against anybody here or anywhere. I may get passionate about things, stubborn, ornory, arrogant towards others, what-have-you..., I shed that baggage quite quickly as it does nothing to promote my own being in a positive forward way.

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Joan

BEG thanks for the Libby link. Now we know where Amy Helm gets some of her musical chops.

Re: The Band is Back DVD, check Ebay. Copies show up there.

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kristie Lee

Hello all, after a summer spent climbing mountains I have returned only to find out I am way behind in all music related news(and all other news for that matter). I've got some reading to do...... Saw Dylan in Vancouver, and although I love the man....I wasn't aware he had turned into a lounge singer. And I am not sure but...I think he actually attempted the moonwalk!

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JQ

Joe Perry of Aerosmith goes for McCain. Query - Can you tell a GOP musician by the shallow nature of their work?

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PrairieFire

Subject: The Band is Back - DVD

Can someone help me find a copy of "The Band is Back"???

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brown eyed girl

Kidding aside....JeffOh! I think it's more than cool that you've worked with Levon Helm and Johnnie Johnson whom I've seen and have both of your recordings. It's even more special knowing that everytime I play these recordings that I think of the moon and morons and the finger!

"You can lean on me. But not too hard."

It's our Anniversary today!...The longest relationship that brown eyed girl has been in a very long time. Where was Rick Danko when I needed him?! Anyway, I survived and take things one day at a time. :-D

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Friend0

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Friend0

Peter, though he & I both post from AOL, Friend of Friend0 is not me, nor am I him. I've met him dozens of times, and it wasn't in the mirror.

Brien, i did send a caution sign for now. If you want to hear my stuff, I suggested internet listening or load for now. Of course, you've been in the GB since before I, and you were here when many were commenting on the respective albums at the time of releaae. So to act like this is new info is weird. To quote Rick Roberts, Chris Hillman, and Stephen Stills, "It Doesn't Matter" , but it is weird.

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Bill M

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brown eyed girl

Thanks David P.

Steve Forbert: “For me, it’s all about dealing with emotions. When Rick Danko died, I found I had some strong feelings over that, so I wrote about it. Songs are emotional creations,” he said."

Carol Caffin Interviews Steve Forbert (lucky you!)

CC: "Oh, I believe it too. I can definitely see it. Well, this is a little difficult. I believe in being truthful and I think Rick would want to be portrayed the way he was, warts and all. But I know some people were hurt by some parts of Wild As the Wind and I was, too. What do you say to friends and fans of Rick's who feel hurt or who feel that maybe certain lines shouldn't have been in the song?

SF: They didn't know Rick Danko then. Or they just want to have some particular memory that's censored or something. I just couldn't do my portrait of Rick in the song without it. I've seen him do that. I've seen him do it more than once. That's kinda like discussing 20th Century Spain and not mentioning the Spanish Civil War, you know?

CC: How did the song come about? What prompted it? You wrote it soon after he died, right?

SF: The song just sort of germinated with me in the couple of months after he died. I realized I've got a song about Rick here. It wasn't hard to write it because it was just my thoughts about him and how much we'd all miss him. It just came into those verses and it became a picture of him, so I just said "I'm gonna try and do a tribute song to him" But I couldn't not mention the drug use. I think it would be a little bit suspicious not to mention it. So I can say that I don't have any apologies about it. I wouldn't have written a song to create anything less than, you know... we loved him and we miss him and we're gonna miss him. He was one of a kind."

The quote was from Empty Now....maybe he was giving me the finger?!

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Friend0

I do think if he wanted to warn people to the dangers of substance abuse the song would be more appropriate if he sang it song on one of thos ecommercials and said "This is my brain on crack", or "this is my brain on coke" whichever he was more fond of.

You could tell that to his people.

What happens when you show a moron to the moon, Angie?

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Empty Now

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dlew919

Subject: The Last Temptation: no temptation to buy actually...

Brilliant novel, brilliant movie, and Brien Sz, brilliant soundtrack. It was Peter Gabriel who did it, wasn't it?

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Brien Sz

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David P.

Another great sounding CD, sourced from the original analog master, is Mobile Fidelity's recent gold-CD reissue of Linda Ronstadt's "Don't Cry Now". This 1973 album featured Ms. Ronstadt's fine cover versions of "Love Has No Pride", "Desperado" and Rick Roberts' "Colorado".

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Empty Now

Subject: great Chahine

It was Egyptian director Youssef Chahine (1926-2008) who gave his friend Omar Sharif [born Michel Chalhoub] his first role in 1953 for“Fil-Wadi” ( A Story in the Valley) ”Al Mohager” (The Emigrant, 1994) is Chahine's most popular film, based on the story from the Bible of Joseph, banned in 1994 by Al-Azhar Islamic muftis, and in 1995 by Coptic religious authorities. In El-Mohager, Chahine expurgates Joseph’s story of its supernatural and mythical elements, suggests different motives for its characters' actions, and fills in the gaps in the biblical narrative. So he revisits the story from a pure rational perspective, resetting the context of a time when – just as it’s the case everywhere similar situations prevail –, there were people from the under-developed land of Canaan who traveled as freewill emigrants to the highly civilized Egypt, to improve their lives as wageworkers, and whose struggle against prejudice in their adopted homeland is the subject of the film. Shorn of his miraculous ability to receive and interpret dreams, Joseph still has something of a superiority complex, but his desire to improve his life, rather than simply settling for his family's hand-to-mouth existence, becomes his driving force, and it's the start of his interest in agriculture, so he became such a brilliant agricultural strategist, and gained enough experience to be able to advise on national agricultural policy
. Chahine’s quote from “Destiny…: ideas have wings, nobody can catch them
Roz: have ever watched a Chahine’s movie

Band Connection: didn’t Marty try the superhuman exercise to revisit Biblical narrative from a pure rational perspective, kinda to expurgate it of its supernatural and mythical elements, ….at least it’s what you watch in The Last Waltz

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Bill M

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David P.

JQ: For a good CD, which was recorded on analog tape, I would recommend "The Dirty South" from the Drive-By Truckers. This album features Jason Isbell's "Danko/Manuel". Another great sounding CD, originally recorded on analog tape, is the new Mobile Fidelity gold-CD reissue of Little Feat's "Sailin' Shoes".

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Steve

Joan, any word if that Banded songbird, J2Rs, has been approached to try and replicate the warblings of Mr Plant, yet? Mayybe it's a good thing for his career that HIS project with the, *Grim One, has ground to a halt.

* Special thanks to the Biggest Fellow for the loan of that handle.

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Peter V

Sorry about the "Johnny" … it was probably because I've been listening to Johnny Johnson and The Bandwagon this week having found an old 45 of Breaking Down The Walls of Heartache. It was thus a simple step to spelling the other Johnnie Johnson wrongly.

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brown eyed girl

Steve Forbert and Rick Danko

When I first posted the lyrics to this song there was quite the uproar....understandably so. I told Steve's "people" and I was told that as an artist he wasn't going to change any lyrics because some people didn't want to hear them. I was also told that maybe Steve could only understand too well what Rick went through himself. Perhaps he was trying to warn others of the dangers of substance abuse? When I asked Buddy Cage.....He thought there was always an elephant in the room where Rick was concerned. I was one of the minority in the Guest Book that believed that if Steve called this song a tribute to Rick.....his intentions were just that.....warts and all. I do remember when Carol interviewed Steve about this on her Band Bites that the Guest Book community was a bit more forgiving of Steve. Anyway, I saw him perform this song live and do admit that when he got to the controversial line I tightened up because I received so much flack.....or Steve did....at the time. However, the crowd at Hugh's Room accepted what Steve created and continues to live with.

"Not fitting in forces you to be original."

"Show the moon to a moron, s/he will watch your finger."

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Brien Sz

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Friend of Friendo

Your kidding of course. (LOL)

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Friend0

Now, I am late, and really gotta run

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Friend0

But I do thank you for giving me the opportunity to correct your spelling of Johnnie, you should know better, , and also thank you for the compliment, which I wasn't ask ing for specifically the way you did it. I just figured you'd say Jeff has ears. But,since you are being so nice, I'll thank you for the review you wrote, for Record Collector.

Sadly, i woudln't suggest anyone buy this cd right now. First of all, it might be impossible to get your hands on a brand new copy. I do own the sound recording and do have my tapes. So at some point I will be manufacturing again. For reasons I won't go into, i don't suggest anyone buy a used copy.

I have tried manufacturing this project again. Different factory. The factory was very highly reccomended by a music industry person who should know quality. They fucked up really bad. Both the printing and the sound. The sound was pitiful. I spoke nicely to the factory owner, who tried buklshitting me and danced every which way trying to figure out how to save the order and rerun it. Because I had caught him lying to me, I was not willing to allow him a second opoortunity. So I came down on him really hard , including sending a letter and a copy of the product to the person who sent me to him, and this guy begged,I mean begged me to take my money back and forget I ever dealt with him.

Anyway, in the process of all this, my master disc also doesn'tsound as good as it did before. What the fuck they did to it I don' now. So, before I make another run, I'm goingto do another flat transfer, tape to digital, no adjustments, like the first time. But it's over ayear since the last attemptto manufacture, and honestly, I don't know when I'm going to be doing all this.

While it's no secret I hate digital sound and downloads, if anyone that doesn't have it wants to hear it, it's on 40 some odd download sites, can be heard on Rhapsody as well.

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Empty Now

Subject: Friend0:

i can even imagine a songwriter as a civil servant who manages the administrative schedule.
Program : according to the public bill, i have three songs to write today in order to fullfil the production deadline for the brown album
i can imagine a hits industry à la Holland-Dozier-Holland
i can imagine a lot of technicity and knowhow à la Paul Simon
but i cant imagine a song written without thoughts and feelings

from Youssef Chahine movie "Destiny, a biography of Averrhoes" in the link is what i call a song, all is built around the vocalize power of Mounir, / ally sotak ally sotak bil ghona / lissa al aghani momkina momkina / (sing loud, sing loud, while it's yet possible to sing)
all and everybody are shaken, see the reaction of the religious extremist to the song 3:00
of course, it's just a movie

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Friend0

I say probably because the chance of the factory screwing up the actual replication always exists. How labels manage quality control on sizeable replication orders they place, as opposed to how the replicators I've used, all reputable and reccomended, don't seem to manage quality control, is beyond me. But quality of replication is an issue. Me, personally (as opposed to impersonally, NB), I'm at the stage where I don't believe a disc will sound good till I hear it sound good myself.

Gotta run

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Peter V

"What you hear recorded is real music. Like the old days. Everyone in the room … the music was cut live. The vocals were complete takes."

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dlew919

What I didn't say, and should have, was that the data must be stored properly - the way you do it, or an equivalent. The advantage of course is the rich treasure trove of small label stuff that ends up in someone's shed, gets mouldy, dies... but can be preserved on a digital medium...

Imagine, for example, some of the obscure labels of the 40s and 50s - now gone. Saving them onto a hard drive will save a ton of this good stuff... (A lot of sh*t will be kept as well, but better too much than not enough...)

The best storage device for information remains paper....

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Friend0

I think you are asking if i can recomend a cd that was well recorded by analogue methods and sounds great. But I am not sure that is what you are asking. But if that is what you are asking, the answer is yes and no. No time now to explain that answer. If that is the question you are asking, if i answer it much later today or tomorrow, it is going to be a long answer. But, I can say that even Peter will tell you that I know from whence I speak on this subject.

Todd, FUV has played that version by Wilco & Fleet Foxes before. I heard it again yesterday.

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brown eyed girl

Thank you Todd. It was great that they thought of including foreigners as well.

"But there is one fascinating version I do have. In 1977, Libby Titus – who I think is generally forgotten today – recorded a version of the song that she titled “Kansas City (K.C. Lovin’)” and released it on her self-titled album. The album is pretty good, but is, I think, of additional interest because Titus is the ex-girlfriend (not ex-wife, as initially reported) of Levon Helm of The Band; Helm’s former bandmate Garth Hudson shows up on one track, and Robbie Robertson plays on one track and produced two of the tracks. (Producing the remaining tracks were, in various combinations, the intriguing trio of Paul Simon, Carly Simon and Phil Ramone.)

Among the other highlights of the album – which was released on CD some time back but is rare enough that copies of the CD sell for more than a hundred dollars (the LP itself can be pricey, too) – are Titus’ work on the classic song “Love Has No Pride,” which she co-wrote with Eric Kaz, and the slightly odd “The Night You Took Me to Barbados in My Dreams.” But “Kansas City (K.C. Lovin’),” with its own odd moment in the introduction, is likely the best thing on the album and one of the slinkier covers of the song I’ve ever heard.

Libby Titus – “Kansas City (K.C. Lovin’)” (1977) 3.4 MB mp3 at 128 kbps

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Todd

Subject: Wilco - semi political but mostly about music

Wilco is offering a free download at their website in exchange for a pledge to vote in the 2008 election. It's a live version of Wilco w/ Fleet Foxes doing 'I Shall Be Released' at a show in Bend, Oregon August 23, 2008.

It's not 'The Band' or Dylan, but it's a nice effort that Wilco fans will probably enjoy. Jeff Tweedy even offers up some falsetto later in the tune which seems like it must be an homage to Richard.

If you're outside the US or are unable to vote for any reason, there's another link on the page where you can download the track.

From Wilco: "We should add that if you are not a US citizen or for other reasons ineligible to vote, we'll settle for a good deed of your choosing (how about, for instance, giving someone who CAN vote a reminder phone call or a ride to the polls?)"

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JQ

Jeff0 - Is there a specific CD that you can recommend as a great example of the quality difference you refer to?

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Friend0

I have customers, who had no idea that i have recorded anything when we had this conversation. And they are not musicians, But i saw the couple had a good system, and that the guy liked to play music both times i was there discussing business. So,the second time i turned the conversation to music, discs, analogue,digital, radio. Without prompting the guy told me that he can't listen to radio, thta he shuts the radio all the time cause it sounds like shit. He is 33 years old. Says this is the first time in his life he doesn't have aturntable but is about to buy one.

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Brien Sz

I believe most folks got the spirit of what I was saying about mixing mastering..., maybe not but then again, the lack of sleep I'll get over will be nil

Lastly..., money, money, money, money, money ;)

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Peter V

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Peter V

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Friend0

That said, every time i've transferred anything, it was after we mixed. So mixes complete, and run to 1"tape, we listened top the 1" tapes playback. Four of us. And Listened close. And then we also listened to the hard drive playabck. And listened close.

Next project, same process, different engineers, 3 of us , and we did the exact same thing. It's slow, and lengthy but necessary.

I've had things transferred digitally unsuccessfully years ago. Playback, things were missing. And also of course, other times, speed & other errors. Slight but you can hear it if you ain't deaf.

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Peter V

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Peter V

A book many of you will enjoy:

The Long-player Goodbye: How Vinyl Changed the World by Travis Elborough

This is a history of recording (and funny as well as informative). several friends have also read and enjoyed it. You get stuff about the German WW2 magnetic tape recordings. On radio, no one noticed quality, byt they were puzzled how the German radio could have complete symphonies and even complete operas playing in the middle of the night with no breaks to change discs. One assumption was that they had ordered complete orchestras / opera casts to perform all night live. The answer was magnetic tape.

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Friend0

Far as making the use of the studios expensive equipment, i'd think that getting the best mix that people could listen to on their tvs would be just that. Whether it be mixed low, loud or at medium sound levels.

Projection, well, I'm not concerned that you have much psycological astuteness or insight,, so forgive me if your crack doesn't cause me to consult a Freudian, Jungian, Voodoo healer, gypsy fortune teller, or dick doctor. Money is good, but money doesn't usually enter my decision making process on important decisions, and the majority of your posts, you seem to be rather proud of the fact that money heavily influences the majority of your decisions, especially the important ones. You're on record as money being what floats your boat. where this enters the picture is that you use money as a factor even in whether or not a reissue should be on a disc or vinyl.

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dlew919

Subject: A very poor (in both senses of the word) historian speaks up

One of the major advantages of digital (and I'm with Jeff on sound quality, though I'd also argue that for 90% of the population, cruddy equipment negates improved sound quality anyway....)

Where digital is inherently superior to analogue in in storage. It all breaks down to electronic pulses (0's and 1's in binary), and is as such, inherently transferable. While the media (cds, memory sticks, hard drives, DVDs) may break down, the information remains essentially good.

Provided, of course, there is a will, you can transfer from magnetic tape to record, or vice versa. But it costs, is more time-consuming and storage (in a properly controlled room) can be problematic...

Naturally, it's not perfect: transferring MAC to PC can be an issue; DVD to Digital tape, et cetera. But there's not he degrade in data....

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David P.

Brien brings up an interesting point relating to television. Ever wonder why tv commercials seem to be so much louder than the actual programs? That's due to the use of compression and is one of the best examples to describe how that technolgy works.

The actual volume level of commercials can't exceed that of the loudest portions of the regular programming because of broadcasting limits. The difference is that the dynamic range of the sound of the programs, like that of music recordings, contains both soft & loud passages, with peaks that can't exceed the broadcasting limits. This is analogous to what Allen Toussaint once described in song as "From A Whisper To A Scream". What the producers of commercials do to achieve the loudness factor is to use compression technology to eliminate any soft passages (whispers) by pushing the sound to a constant level that matches the loudest peak level, like those of the screams.

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David P.

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Brien Sz

I essentially went the commerce route because when dealing with major labels, the bottom line is generally money and if the venture doesn't have a profit forcast in it, you would wonder why bother with the effort.

I would never argue about passion being a driving force. My whole life has been about living my passsion. I've been close to dead broke pursuing my passions but I never let it break my spirit - so on that count Jeff, I'm totally in your court.

I'm not a big vinyl shop guy but I''ve been in a few over the years because I think they are cool and worth the venture in. The crowd is always a mixed bag. The young ones - I'll say this is the under 30 crowd, are either looking for contemporary music for clubs and such. A lot of the other folks are collectors. These types of stores are niche stores though and big money isn't really what they are about.., save for the owner who no doubt has a passion for the vinyl but is also a business person.

Dave is right on about loud mixing. When I was producing in TV, the mixing process was often done at levels that no one would watch them at - the mix of msuic I can only imagine is much more intricate. One thing I used to do after some of the audio guys got done patting themselves on the back, was to take the tape or file and play it back on a "normal" system. If the sound was muddled at average levels, then I would insist on a remix because after all, very few people have the high-end systems that studios have to listen to playbacks. Working in TV, I wnated things that the average viewer could make sense of..., but at the same time you fight the battle of making the most of the upteen amounts of cash that the studio spent on the equipment, so they now want you to use it to full capacity because then why would they have spent the money on it in the first place if you weren't going to make the most out of what the technology offered.

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Friend0

Superior quality has nothing to do with large scale commerce. And the label execs bemoan the fact that they went for the quick revenue burst and made the switch to cd. It was the beginning of the end of the label system.

I tihnk it is very important to realize that money is not what drives true passion. Money may effect many outcomes involving true passion, but money is not what drives true passion. Money can buy a lot of things, but true passion ain't one of them.

Speaking for myself, my wallet never gave me a boner. And a woman attracted to my wallet, ain't worth having. And probably has very poor vision. And music doesn't sound better when my wallet is full. Unless it happens to be recorded analogue and properly replicated.

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Joan

Subject: Perhaps a house can be too Pink

There is pink and then there is PINK!!! Glad its not in my neighborhood.

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Joan

Subject: Led Zeppelin

For Julie: Led Zeppelin may tour w/o Robert Plant. Looking for a new singer.

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Friend0

Of course your field is different , but the conversation Simon and we were having references music.

The photographers I spoke to did say that you can spend time and put a lot of the old look back into a digital shot, but they still argue that even so, it is not as warm, and it is brittle and empty, not fully real looking to them. There were other adjectives they used that I forget presently.

Sorry to disappoint, but three paragraphs of response to you and the word mean just didn't pop up once!

Must be a record!

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Peter V

On photography, if you give a digital file to an adept Photoshop professional for half an hour, and ask them to give you a 1939 photo, I'd challenge you to tell the difference. They can emulate film effects, and once you're past the original transparency, and onto a print, you're into the digital dots of printing anyway.

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Peter V

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Friend0

Peter, it is very simple. Many working musicians like analogue recording and analogue sound better because they hear the difference, they know what things actually sound like, and want their work to sound realistic and good. I rememebr that Shelby Lynne writing that someonr linked here. Where Shelby wrote sentiments similar in depth and fury to my own about digital recording. That when she recorded digitally she wanted to smash her guitar.

Far as analogue tape studios having disappeared, hell no. They are all over the place here in NY and the NY area. I knew of a good amount but found a new bunch of them by accident very early this year. I would imagine most large metro areas would still have a decent representation of them. Having the equipment properly maintenanced is one issue, and then having a great analogue engineer who still has his analogue chops is another. the studio may or may not have one that you are comfortable with, but there are plenty of great analogue engineers available. And they will travel. Many of them thrilled to have the opportunity to work analogue.

Digital is the devil.

Removing pops, is not what I would consider removing a sibilant sound, and not all pops should be removed either. Some of them are great.

Empty, in case i gave you the wrong impression, I hope you are aware that I value your GB membership. My statements have to do with past experience and a clear memory of being sure I understood a post of yours thoroughly, and then a later post of yours definitely made me realize that you meant something exactly opposite than my interpretation of your prior post. I did not comment about it, but someone else posted in The GB the exact experience i had in relation to those posts. So, by not answering questions I am not sure I understand, I'm just trying to avoid tsurres.

There are things that words in an internet forum cannot relate or replace. One of those is a smile, with eyes wrinkled full of crow's feet. I'm not sure I'm correct on this, but I'm certain from my side, I've considered you a friend.

Far as digital photography goes, I meet a decent amount of photographers. I've almost asked everyone which he prefers, digital or film, and they have always said analogue.And why. And their explanations agree with my eyes and also is similar to my perception of differences in warmth and tonal qualities of muisc in the digital/analogue discussion. A photographer who works shooting fashion models, lucky Aussie,mid to late 30s i'd say, laments the fact that he has to work digitally professionally. Plenty of other working photographers , older, who detest digital. I know two other photographers, a man and his wife in their 30s and twenties, and for reasons of my own I did not ask them which they preferred. But I saw their work, and it was clearly digital.

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David P.

Regarding the LOUDNESS trend in digital recordings, mastering engineers, on & off the record, shrug & throw their hands up. They face a dilemma, as they have to follow the wishes of the artists & industry figures who commission the work, even when they have to go against their better judgment to compromise the sound quality. It seems that the rule of thumb is too master the recordings extremely loud, so they'll stand out when listening to MP3 downloads. One engineer even cited an example of a label executive who complained that a certain mastering didn't sound good when he listened to it through his new iPhone!

Another recent amusing example has to do with the release of Metallica's new album, ironically entitled "Death Magnetic". It seems that even some of the fans of that heavy metal band are complaining that the album was mastered too loud, and they can't hear any details or dynamic range in the music. Some skeptics might say that these fans, like the members of the band, might have suffered hearing damage from listening to the music over the years, but that's not the case.

The Wall Street Journal, believe it or not, even did a report on the Metallica controversy. The engineer who mastered "Death Magnetic", Ted Jensen, was originally quoted as responding to email complaints by fans by saying "Believe me, I'm not proud to be associated with this one." He later expressed regret over his choice of words, but didn't deny his sentiment regarding the work.

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Bill M

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Peter V

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Steve

I think I realyed this story a couple of years ago but since the subject is back, here goes.

Montreal CBC radio had a recording engineer in the studio talking about Digital vs Analog recording. After he'd explained some of the differences in the way each reproduced sound he did a little test. Someone in the control room played two versions of several songs. one cd and one vinyl.

He was able to identify each format correctly over several songs. He also explained how to distinguish one from the other. I remember hiim having them replay small segments of songs and explaining what to listen for and it was quiet easy to tell one from the other once little clues like listening for the sustain on cymbals, which is the only one |I remember at the moment, were pointed out.

JQ, I have to agree about watching Levon up close playing drums as being a highlite of seeing a Ramble. It's what I spent most of my time doing. It's magical.

NB, I have to ask, Does my chewing gum lose it's flavour on the center post over the years?

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Bill M

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David P.

Relating to The Band's catalog, let's take it a step further. I recall reading an interview several years ago with mastering engineer Bob Ludwig, who worked on Band recordings over the years. He mentioned that, on the first two albums, that was a lot of low end on the master tape, which created a problem cutting the records back in the day. Without getting too technical, this is due to the physical characteristics involved with transferring sound onto the grooves in records. In order to compensate for this challenge, Capitol engineers would implement compression & EQ adjustments.

Too modern ears, especially younger ones who have been weaned on digital recordings and heavily-compressed MP3 downloads, the warm & dark characteristics of the sound of these Band master tapes might not fit their acquired tastes. Hence, the powers-to-be at Capitol, in seeking to brighten up the sound, get carried away by adding too much high frequency & volume. In order to accomplish the latter, they add too much compression, which subtracts from the dynamic range between the soft & loud passages of the music. The fancy equipment used for 24-bit transfers, on one hand, adds a degree of detail & clarity in separating the layers of voices & instruments, but also, when carried to the extreme, can result in a harsh, brittle sound.

What Capitol, in the U.S., did with the early Beatle recordings is yet another example. A label executive named Dave Dexter felt that the sound of the original Parlophone masters sent over from Britain were too dry for American tastes, especially for AM radio play. So he had the Capitol staff add additional echo & EQ adjustments for the American versions of the releases.

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Joan

Empty, you have given me a lot to "digest" and think about with that list. I've gone back 3 times already to reread.

Bill M: That Ian Tyson CD sounds interesting. As I've said before, I wish my budget could keep up with the music I want.

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Bill M

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Peter V

… and as well as CD characteristics carrying over to recent vinyl reissues, if you copy vinyl onto CD (without tampering with it) the resulting CD, in spite of being digital, has the same mix and compression, so carries over a degree of the analogue feel, especially with old mono 45s (which otherwise will have been tampered with many times). Which suggests it's all the tweaking that alters digital as well as the ones and zeros. But the Motown mono remasters sound great to me.

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David P.

Another problem, which I pointed out yesterday, is if the new Band LP reissues are sourced from digital copies also, instead of the analogue masters. Although the transfer to vinyl will add some analogue warmth, the digital anomalies would still be present.

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Bill M

Above is a link to 900+ concerts taped/broadcast over the last couple of years by the CBC - scrolling down is annoying, but you'll find people like Richard Thompson, Mary Margaret O'Hara, Jack Bruce, Ian Gillan, Ron Sexmith ... I didn't find Blackie and the Rodeo Kings' tribute to the Last Waltz (with Garth - and possibly Maud), but it should be around somewhere.

And below is a news release that arrived yesterday:

IAN TYSON TO RELEASE NEW STONY PLAIN CD WITH PERSONAL SONGS — AND A DRAMATICALLY “NEW” VOICE

Ian Tyson, the iconic Canadian songwriter and singer, has had a tough two years since his last album, 2005’s “Songs from the Gravel Road.”

“Dramatic change” hardly comes close to describing a difficult divorce, another broken love affair, and his recent 75th birthday, which he faced with a mixture of satisfaction and regret.

Now, with the release of “Yellowhead to Yellowstone and other Love Stories” on November 10, his long-time fans with discover something else: Ian Tyson has a new voice. It’s his 14th album for the Edmonton-based roots music label Stony Plain, and was produced by Nashville’s Harry Stinson, who did three CDs for the label with Corb Lund, and who’s worked with a who’s-who in Music City, from George Jones and Mary Stuart to Rodney Crowell and Steve Earle.

Ian Tyson’s “new voice”

Grainy, gravelly, and deeply emotional, one of the smoothest voices in Canadian music is now dramatically different. What happened? “Well, a couple of years ago,” says Tyson in a matter-of-fact tone, “I played the Havelock Jamboree, a big outdoor show in Ontario. I fought the sound system — and I lost.

“I knew I’d hurt my voice, and it was recovering slowly when I was hit with a bad virus, which seemed to last forever. My old voice isn’t coming back, the doctors told me, so I’ve had to get used to this new one.”

That has been a challenge, Tyson says, but he says audiences have warmed to it. “They seem to pay more attention, now, to the lyrics and the stories in the songs. And while I’ve lost some of the bottom end of my voice, the top range, oddly enough, is still there.”

The title song of the CD was co-written by Tyson with Stewart MacDougall, and tells the story of a pack of wolves transported from the Yellowhead Pass to Yellowstone Park, where the species had become extinct — told in the voice of one of the wolves who made the journey. Another remarkable song, contributed by Toronto songwriter Jay Aymar, is about hockey commentator Don Cherry and the death of his beloved wife, Rose.

The eight new songs by Tyson cover a range of emotions and stories relating to Alberta’s cultural landscape and the disappearing cowboy, as well as his personal life. The writer rarely tells exactly what they’re about, but expects his listeners to understand where the songs are coming from.

“Yellowhead to Yellowstone and other Love Stories” is being released November 10; Stony Plain is distributed nationally by Warner Music Canada.

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Peter V

Analogue? Over 55? No. I could take you to three shops selling vinyl and it’s all young bands, with just a little rack of oldies LPs. The dance scene never abandoned vinyl. Sales year-on-year have doubled in the UK too. ALL the young British bands insist on a vinyl version. It’s a prestige thing. The point is that vinyl is relatively lo-tech. Do you remember those little records you could play with a pencil years ago? You could just hear the noise. We might all need lo-tech in a few years time. I would think analogue tape is dead though.

A Corvette … I’d love a classic Corvette. The brakes are crap, but it’s an object of beauty.

Sibillants … I’ve worked with spoken voice and a lot of trouble is taken nowadays to eradicate too much sibillance at source. Some actors have it vastly more than others. Like some have soft “r”s which is something I’d avoid like the plague on a reference recording for language teaching. If an actor has very strong sibillance, I don’t think they’d get repeat bookings for spoken voice work. And some very good screen actors do have strong sibillance. It gets magnified if you only have sound.

I don’t think it’s digital recording, but we had lots more trouble with sibillants circa 1978 than we do now. Because you always hear them live in the control room as they happen, I’d assumed it was the microphone technology that had changed. Isn’t the old sock and various other shields on mics there to reduce sibillance? And in language recording “popping consonants”. Try saying “T” as just totally isolated “t” … not ta or tu or ti. That’s a bastard to record.

While you can hear more from vinyl because of the too conservative limits put on the CD standard, sibillants are well into the spoken voice range, so you SHOULD hear them on any playback system. I’d assumed that they’d been deliberately cleaned off CD remasters. They are indeed part of the sound but some people find them irritating. BUT I just went and checked “In A Station” at high volume on my best system using the 24-bit remastered CD. The SSs are very sibilant in the places Simon mentioned. Do you have an earlier CD? They’re not as “bright” as the remasters, so would reveal less sibilance.

In a related way, older singers develop something of a “slush” sound. You can hear it in Paul Simon live recordings. I regard it as like the lees (i.e. dregs) in fine red wines. A sign of ageing, that’s all.

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David P.

To correct some misconceptions, I think a short primer regarding analogue recording is in order. Most of the classic recordings of the past were recorded on analogue tape and, subsequently, the major labels, for the most part, have these tapes stored in their vaults.

As an example, let's use The Band's "Music From Big Pink". This album was recorded on 4 and 8 track recorders and then those multi-tracks were mixed down to a 2-track stereo master tape. When the album was originally released, that master mix was then copied, with various degrees of EQ & compression applied, to another tape used to produce the metal cutting discs for manufacturing the records.

Years later, when Capitol produced the first CD version of "Music From Big Pink", they more than likely sourced it from second generation production copy, rather than searching through their vaults for the actual 2-track master tape. Although the album was remastered digitally for the CD, it was not remixed from the original studio multi-tracks. That process was only done for the later DVD-Audio version, which featured a surround sound version.

It's subject to debate, but other remastered CD versions of "Music From Big Pink", although sourced from the original master mix, feature some degree of alteration in the sound through digital EQ & compression adjustments. In other words, the CD versions were not flat transfers from the master tape.

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Friend0

Man invents digital dick. Says he was inspired by a real dick in the Band GB. Interviewed for this story, inventor's wife says it looks and sounds the same. Asked "how does it feel?" she says she developed a terrible headache and has to go to sleep.

I had to turn the computerback on for this one before i left. was afraid NB or steve would beat me to the digital dick line.

Brien, i'll read what you have to say later, but somehow I doubt i'll be surprised by any of it. I'll doubt I agree with any of it too.

Commerce, and the quality of what is called art available on a large scale, only intersect to a small degree. Businessmen, bean counters, tend to overlook the quality of art and tend to pass other things off as art.

The word art has become more & more commercialized and lost alot of it's meaning.

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Brien Sz

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Brien Sz

I was a hold out of digital technology and stayed shooting slide film longer than many of my contemporaries but it came to a point that in order to stay current and competitive, I had to shoot digital..., and now I couldn't imagine anything different - the flexibility to create a variety of artistic visions is way beyond what film offered. I still enjoy film, I shoot certain kinds of shots with it but just like the dinosaurs.., film will eventually come very close if not total extinction. Will the same happen to analog? Maybe not in our lifetime but surely it will fall into the dust heap. The fact is that analog technology went as far as it could go.., in a Darwinian sense, it evolved into digital and now digital is the technology from which the species is thriving and will continue to evolve. You can hold onto the past.., that is fine.., but the thing about the past is that it becomes more and more distant with every passing day. Analog may have its rights, needs and time to cling but its fate has been written.

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Friend0

Antiquated euipment that does not get used.. Whoa there Brien. Getting rid of valuabe and useful equipment for far less than it is worth is what doesn't make sense. Kinda like selling a 62 korvette in 1975 when other vettes were in style. Now that 62 vette is worth a fortune. Thing s come back, tides turn. In the case of digital is wasn't hard for anyone with ears to realize that analoque sounds better and since this is recorded music we try to listen to,analogue would make a comeback. but to thos ewho kept it because it is better, hats off.

Being a bean counter in all regards just don't work when it comes to art. and eventually art will return to art. That is why the industries related to art arose in the first place. First it was passion for that art, then business entered.

I have to ask you, when you are a old man will you have your penis removed when it doesn't get hard as often and is used less? I mean , at that old age, when it just dangles and does more to take up space and gets caught in your zipper frequently wouldn't; it be easier to digitize a penis, just have a hole there? Or maybe it's worth keeping around for the mere memory and the odd chance?. Analogue is more than a mere memory, it is the best form in which to record music accurately.

Wish i could stick around, but gotta run.

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Steve

Empty, because of the our respective locations on the globe and how that effects posting times I always appreciate starting my day with one of your posts. It gets my brain humming first thing in the morning. It's the concepts, not the language, that always takes a little work but it's always worth it.

If I start out the day with a little mental gymnastics I'm better able to understand a geometric concept like fractals when it pops up in discussioon down at the sale barn. Thannks

Brien I'm also not a completist, and am thankful for it. I couldn't imagine what it would be like to have a voice in my head nagging at me til I got every available released version of Robbie Robertson's self titled album, which reminds me, I got to get back to plowing hell's half acre.

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Brien Sz

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Friend0

I am not emabarassed to admit that I'm dense. Maybe I missed a lot in the first video, hate to admit, I only watched a few seconds of the first one. But, again, it's in a language i have no understanding of. But as you know, I've generally always greatly appreciated your participation here. I've not always understood what you are saying but I've never commented about that unless you required me to. Often I have understood you, or thought I have, and enjoyed your points a lot. To quote you, " Okay, I'm wrong."

The song is interesting, and your points are too. If I could understand the song in it's original language it would probably have many aspects that could interest me.

These feelings being discussed, or others, may or may not invade a songwriter writing a song. But I can absolutely understand the desire to think they do, or the thought that they do. And maybe they do.

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dlew919

Subject: Empty Now....

'I learned a long time ago to appreciate the GBers proportionally to their usefulness to the rest of GBers, I meant the way they share with others parts of their science.' Emptty - you'd be near the top of usefulness here - keep posting that beautiful music.

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Empty Now

Subject: Friend0 / Hal Sheikh projected in the Rock world

Friend0 : Thanks for your interest, and the series of posts – I consider a song : the formulation of words spelled under a melodic pattern which goes through centuries always the same air recognizable whoever is the performer – OK I’m wrong

songwriting issues have been the most overdiscussed thread in The Band GB, emphasizing on copyright credits indeed. First I would like to let you and the rest of the GBers know that all what I know about songwriting is that I never succeeded to compose the the 100th of a line for all my life.
Paradoxally, the way I stuck on that song and those lyrics reveals some kind of identification, , [maybe I have a soul of songwriter], I flashed because what I thought to find in it is unique, It is question of true, authentic, and sincere songwriter, a list of miscellaneous feelings and states which invade the person before the song is done, lucidly rendered, a look from the inside. I don’t remember every one ever experienced or even evoked this aspect of songwriting in The Band GB.
You’re right about misunderstandings being the source of trouble, the purpose of everybody here is not to understand everything, there is less merguez (sausage) and more music in pt2, GBers should just keep their humor fresh and don’t take seriously cultural borders, it’s irrelevant in an international forum, and an insult to The Band spirit…and I learned a long time ago to appreciate the GBers proportionally to their usefulness to the rest of GBers, I meant the way they share with others parts of their science. For my part, my most visible science currently is to click on a mouse to discover North-African musical treasure pieces randomly hosted on the Internet

Projected in the rock world, here’s a suggestive sample list by persons to illustrate my take of the lesson :
- frigate Captain saving everyday’s castaways and dissatisfied minds – Neil Young
- dancing shuffler giving charity to wandering tramps – Bruce Springsteen
- authoritarian Pasha casting opinions with shameless and regretless heart – Robbie Robertson
- drunkard in a gloom answering you with arrows – Bob Marley
- furious lunatic disagreeing with his own clothes – Joni Mitchell
- serene ecstatic tasting the sound of his voice in the beauty of harmony – John Lennon
- student filling books of divine inspiration with thoughts patterned in sublime verses – Bob Dylan

great post

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Joan

Guilty as charged.

My sister in law was a friend of Jobim. She did a great deal of work presenting Brazilian music here in the US. Her partner was Nelson Motta

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Friend0

I tend to listen to WBGO alot in the car. It's the jazz station out of Newark. Great all week. Saturdays it's a godsend. From real Gawd Damn early till late afternoon, nothing but great old blues and r &b, folowed by more modern old r& b, like 40s , 50s, 60s. Bob Porter, then Felix Hernandez shows. Stuff you just don't hear other places, often original versions of stuff we all grew up hearing covers of.

but by late Saturdcay afternoon, if in the car, I'll have to check what Pete Fornatale is up to on WFUV. Richie Furay spent a afternoon with him in Septemeber. Richie just released a live disc, Fornatale wrote the liner notes. He wrote phefuckingnomenal liner notes for poco's Deliverin , in 1968. Pete doesn't quite carry the punch he did back in the 70s and 80s, but then again, neither do i. But Pete does live in a better neighborhood. Port Washington, like one of our own here.

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Simon

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brown eyed girl

SONIC STORM

MONDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2008

Levon Helm plays Gill's Farm in Hurley

POSTED BY JOHN W. BARRY AT 3:59 AM

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Brien Sz

I am glad I do not suffer from that completist affliction. The cd reissues a few years back looks to be my last Band purchases, save for replacing. Now of record companies ever decide to release some interesting live stuff or if there were well mixed live stuff out there of the post LW Band I'd be very interested in hearing that. But as the more time goes on, the less likely anything of real note will come from the Band canon.

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Simon

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Friend0

Also, there's more than esses. Watch, catch, crush, etc , etc, there's more sibilant sounds.

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Simon

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Friend0

So Simon, there are techniques to remove or lessen some sibilant sounds. And plain old poor or careless digitization can do it too. I forgot about all this, but you reminded me.

Still not Peter, hope you don't mind.

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Friend0

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Simon

Dlew - It's a fair question. I would like a gatefold copy of MFBP but it's not a priority. The UK version had no photos whatsoever and a rather boring utilitarian back cover. The only original Band vinyl I own are Rock Of Ages (lime Capitol label) which sounds fabulous and Cahoots (with textured sleeve, lime label). It might not be their best album but Life Is A Carnival sounds far better than any CD version I own. All my other Band vinyl is/was thinner reissues, some of them on Capitol's budget 'Greenlight' series. And those were extremely cheap so no complaints in that respect.

Peter - One of the things I noticed about that MFBP LP reissue was what I believe is called "sibilance". Basically relating to any 'ess' sounds. On this edition I would hear "Fell asssleep until the moonlight woke me / and I could tassste your hair." Is that a) something on the master tapes b) something to do with tonearm and/or turntable set up c) something that is built in to analog that gets the Sonic Solutions treatment and disappears with digital transfer or d) something else (microphones)? It's something I've noticed on older blues and r&b recordings but I found it quite prominent on that MFBP reissue.

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Friend0

But see here Empty, it still gets tricky when you start definng the word song. What does the word song mean? And what does the phrase to write a song mean? I'm still not the right person to ask those questions. But I am afraid that I may hurt someone's feelings. Cause I suggested you ask Peter. You can still ask Peter all these here questions, but I'm afraid that if you do, you will have to impose a very narrow definition of the word mean in order to avoid all sorts of confusion, double ambiguitee and and double ambiguities. It will even get more difficult when it comes to any illustrations of songs or songwriting involving the work of one Bob Dylan.

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Peter V

I wouldn't buy another copy because it had a different serial number or whatever. I would if I thought there might be some ephemeral nuance of difference unlocked by the remastering … but that's one that's deceived me too many times now. I have two original vinyl copies of The Band.

I used to be a Band completist, looking for every session, but I got cured by buying a few of those sessions where you know Garth or Levon played on one track, but you don't know for sure which track, and you really can't tell exactly where when you listen, but there's a slight waft of accordion or tinkle of mandolin way back in the mix. For years I assumed that the presence of any Band member on a record was a seal of approval. Then I realized they had to make a living like anyone else. So I'm a reformed completist, but it is one day at a time. Whenever I see a session on What's New, the old amazon.co trigger fingers itches, but I don't press the button any more.

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Friend0

Regards the rest of your post, i hate to take the chance offending you, but again, translation leaves alot to be desired. You speak english a hell of a lot better than I speak frenchor algerian, so, i sure don't mean to be critical.But like often happens, I just don't think I understand most of what you are saying or asking. Chances are you don't understand most ofwhat I say most of the time either. I'm guessing you think you do, but i'm betting a lot gets lost in the cultural and linguistic distance.

All that said, the only thing i know i could make out in that video is the words Log B'Omer, Rabbi Akiva, and what appear to be a whole hell of a lot of sausages. I may have heard some hebrew over the loudspeaker. I gave up after about 4 minutes.

Getting back to your posts, I think that in the first you are saying that the song deals with the job of the songwriter. And in this last post one thing you are doing (I suspect, but am not sure, that there are many) is asking me my opinion of what the writer is saying, or which I think is most accurate. Honestly, I'm not one to decide what the job of a songwriter is. You might might do better asking someone else. Peter would be a good person to ask.

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David P.

The main concern regarding Capitol's From The Vaults series is whether they're using the original analogue masters, or taking the easy way out by sourcing them from digital copies.

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dlew919

I'm just wondering, Peter, David P., Simon. Is it possible you will buy this? Or will it need to be 'right'? Or are you just looking? I'm just wondering, is all. I'm a failed completist - I usually run out of money before I complete a collection...

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Peter V

I'd hope for the US gatefold sleeve on Big Pink, and the stipple effect on the cover on The Band (Toshiba managed to replicate that on CD). They got Big Pink SO wrong last time they did a vinyl remaster … as you say, the pink overprinting from 2 or 3 years later.

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Simon

Peter / David - The link above looks sort of official. I note the blurb says "All of the 'From The Capitol Vaults' vinyl packages feature carefully replicated artwork and packaging true to their original single or gatefold jacket LP releases." I hope this means that we get the gatefold version here in the UK, preferably without the garish blocky pink lettering on the front. I hope they put the barcodes on a sticker on the shrinkwrap, too.

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Jan F.

Just out of the blue (no pun intended), in the humor Q & A in the Washington Post today by columnist Gene Weingarten (they were discussing politics and other stuff - see link if you want to) THIS appeared:

"Ellicott City, Md.: Is "Rocking Chair" the best song by the Band?

Gene Weingarten: No, but you've got the right album. The Band's brown album is probably the best folk-rock album of all time, and it contains the five best songs ever by The Band, which are, in order: Across the Great Divide, Rag Mama Rag, Jemima Surrender, The Night They Drive Old Dixie Down, and Rocking Chair. Unfaithful Servant" might be in the mix, too. An amazing album."

Then, a few minutes later:

"Theba, ND: Don't forget that "Up On Cripple Creek," with its great lyrics and fun ending ("But deep down, I'm kinda tempted/To go and see my Bessie again") is on that album too.

Gene Weingarten: You're right. Gad, what an album. A monster album.

Hey, when we were both about 25, Rick Danko and I looked almost identical. Practically indistinguishable."

And no, I don't believe he ever looked anything like Rick!

Jan F.

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Empty Now

Subject: songwriting game

Thanks everyone who welcomed me, while in reality I was here, and even tempted to say that one month far from the GB, I was seeing almost every word written in the GB, though Bumbles absence surprised me a bit due to his natural aversion for Norwegian pinks I guess

Just a little disappointed that my translated song had no success in the GB, it’s a masterpiece. I said JRR in mind maybe Manuel too, closer to virtual reality GBers you should know that Friend0 is the only respectable songwriter attending the GB I was just curious how you take the lyrics Friend0. the bad song translation renders less than a 100th of his strength in reality, no matter if its inspirational source was from the Moslem tradition, it was written by a Saint from Nedroma, “petite bourgade d’Algérie”, it’s a masterpiece I believe it has reached universality. never underestimate the highly elitive saints of Nedroma, there are a lot you know. There is even a lane named “rabain sheriff”, translate “The 40 wise men street,” where else in the world can you find a street called “the 40 wise men street”?

for fun and given the credit I afford to the wisdom of the song [different states of mind of the authentic songwriter], I am just curious to know how every GBer see Friend0 right know - choose one item (for me the opportunity to better render the spirit of some verses) :

- a frigate Captain helping everyday’s castaways and saving dissatisfied minds on an offshore storm
- a dancing shuffler walking [his dawgs] on the stones, giving charity to the wandering tramps
- an authoritarian Pasha casting orders as everybody trembles of his opinion while his heart knows no shame nor regrets
- a drunkard in a gloom saying nothing but answering you with arrows
- a furious lunatic disagreeing with his own clothes and behaving as the children of Ham
- a serene ecstatic staying up at night tasting the sound of his own voice and the notes of his strings in the beauty of the harmony
- a student transcribing a scholar then filling books of divine inspiration with thoughts of his own clearly structured in sublime verses

Feel free to choose one item Friend0, but only on [wink]

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Kevin J

The above is Bob Dylan, Larry Campbell and the boys paying tribute to George Harrison. Very nice after a shakey openning.

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Peter V

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David P.

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Peter V

David what do you know about the 180 gram vinyl of The Band (advertised in the current Record Collector)? EMI did one years ago of Big Pink, which I have. The two are advertised together as new releases this month. Is it something that's been around?

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David P.

Mastering engineer Steve Hoffman, through his website, has announced that among his upcoming projects will be a 24-karat gold CD version of "The Band" for the Audio Fidelity label. It will be sourced from the master tape, which has been made available on "loan".

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Todd

Subject: Fall Farm Festival

JQ, Thanks for the Ramble report. Sounds like you saw a really good one. Sorry that you didn’t have better weather, but once you’re in the barn the weather outside doesn’t seem to matter as much. I talked to Amy briefly on Sunday at the Gill Farm Festival in Hurley and she mentioned that Charlie Louvin had been at the Ramble the night before and it was really special.

The Sunday afternoon gig was a lot of fun. Levon’s Band put on a stellar performance for an enthusiastic crowd. His band was cookin’ and it’s always amazing to hear them live. It’s been almost a year since the last time I’ve seen them, and all the touring they’ve done this summer has made them even better, if such a thing is possible. Larry & Teresa were wonderful together on the Loretta Lynn tune ‘Whispering Sea’…. Teresa owned the vocal on that. Sly, knowing, and burning with a simmering intensity. Amy was great on ‘Bye, Bye My Love’ and ‘Everybody Loves a Winner’. She’s a fantastic Soul singer. Mike Merritt took care of the bottom end, playing the doghouse bass. Brian Mitchell stole the show with his Mardi-Gras tune, and THE HORNS, THE HORNS, THE HORNS! Truly amazing to hear these guys play together. ‘Deep Elem Blues’ blows away any other version that I’ve heard. Clark Gayton on trombone, and sometimes Tuba; Steve Bernstein on trumpet, and Erik Lawrence on sax kept a smile on Levon’s face the whole time with the three of them even walking out into the crowd New Orleans jazz band style, bringing it to the people….Levon loves his horns. I missed Jay Collins on sax, but the boys held it together quite well. Levon remains my favorite drummer and seemed to be having a lot of fun. When Larry is playing a solo, and Levon is drumming, it’s hard to know which one of them to watch….. two masters at work.

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David P.

Before their debut album was released, the Counting Crows performed at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1993. They played the music of inductee Van Morrison, who did not show, and were introduced by Robbie Robertson.

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Charlie Y

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Steve

Look no further than the Founding Hawk Father for redumbancy. The Le Coq D'Or might be a good place to start.

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brown eyed girl

"In the midst of the biggest power blackout ever known, Bob Dylan, Donovan and Robbie Robertson of The Band participate in a candlelit jam in Brian Jones's suite at the New York Hilton."

Source: MOJO magazine; Issue 24 - November 1995, p. 49 November 1965

Any info would be appreciated.

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Peter V

Thanks for the link. She's miming, but she has enough sense to use her long hair to hide the mouth in some of the hard bits. I loved the petulant little "No, was all he said." Hadn't noticed it on audio only, but the facial expression brings it out. It's a pretty good arrangement. I hadn't heard it for a while and it's better than I'd remembered. At least she doesn't roar all over it. It's closer to the original in mood than either the Diana Ross or the Aretha.

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dlew919

Heard a couple of bizarre covers of the Weight today - one on Moog synthesiser, and a light jazz version by Tok Tok Tok... I'll try and post a link to them....

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brown eyed girl

Happy Birthday to a pal of Lars......Sredni Vollmer who is here with the lads

2008 Artists Aid Autism benefit concert

Uploaded on September 2, 2008 by JerryPix

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brown eyed girl

Added: September 30, 2008 Outside the Midnight Ramble in Woodstock NY on 9/20/08, Little Sammy Davis & Fred Scribner go over the material they are going to play that night.

Jan H: Please don't encourage me! You're most welcome anyway. :-D

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brown eyed girl

Jackie DeShannon - The Weight....(leaving out a verse). Who is introducing her here?

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Peter V

I know some have been collecting the Ace Songwriter series CDs as they emerge (three Leiber & Stoller, Goffin & King, Pomus & Schuman, Bert Berns, Burt Bacharach, early Randy Newman). Two have just come out … the Greenwich & Barry one, and today the Jackie DeShannon one. All lovingly restored rarities. The Jackie DeShannon has added interest as she had the sense to cover The Weight back in the day, and did OK with it too (#55 in the US chart). Anyway, that arrived today, so will replace the Greenwich & Barry one I've been listening to all week.

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rosalind

I'm there

" roslyn568atyahoodotcom "

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dlew919

Peter M: I'm with you - in everything you wrote....

NB: 'the Stupid Idiot Bastard' - most often found driving, I've discovered. Of course, if everyone was like me and never made a mistake on the road, this species would die out... ;-)

And, it seems the stupid idiot is a protected species, with an aggressive breeding policy, so no hunting. don't let that stop you coming over here, though! (they are still a minority...)

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Peter M.

Subject: stupid idiots???

I have to confess, I love the idiot, but I'm wary of the stupid. Next subject... Hey Carol, bring it on! You should hear the wonderful stuff Ian McLagen says about Levon, Garth, and the guys. Talk about RESPECT. Love ya, Peter

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Peter M.

Subject: squabbles?

Hey, I wanted/needed to comment on the GB activity. First, thanks Jan for the seemingly thankless task of maintaining order in the Wild West-like atmosphere here that takes place in the pseudodemocracity that is the Web. My apologies for the hotheaded emotions that flare up in this, your labor of love that is the Band site. That being said, my condolences to you for the agenda laden posts that you have to deal with daily. Nice job. I work in the mental health field, and I regret to say, your "job" is harder than mine (and I collect a paycheck!). We SO appreciate your efforts. I love to keep up with Garth's doings, info about Levon's Rambles, Shredni news, how Sammy is doing, who hates Robbie, insiders' opinions, Bumbles' take on it all, Roz's reactions to it all, and on, and on... We LOVE that you take it on (sometimes in the face of driven contrariness)and endeavor to bring us Band-centric information at this point in time. To the "Contrarians", cool it for fuck's sake! You're shitting in our living room!

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Northern Boy

Subject: Stupid Idiots of Australia

Have I got this straight ? An Idiot marries a Stupid and as then as offspring they have the hybrid (but not redundant) "Stupid Idiot". I suppose the out-of-wedlock variety is then the "Stupid Idiot Bastard" ? Anyway, that's fascinating Dlew and researching the species further is just one more reason I should come visit you. Can we maybe go hunt a bunch of them using helicopters ?

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dlew919

Subject: Northern Boy

NB: Before I trawl back and re-read your post, let me say that 'stupid idiot' is not a redundancy. Or at least, not where I live. Around here, there are idiots - your garden variety types, you know. Then there are stupid people.

For some reason, though, often these types find themselves attracted to each other, adn the Stupid Idiot is born. All of the stupidity of the idiot. All of the idiocy of the stupid. None of the entertainment value. whereas we can chuckle at the epic fail of the idiot, or have a retrospective laugh about the frustration which the stupid causes, there is nothing even slightly entertaining about the stupid idiot.

One example I know is of a man who claims to be a community worker, and also claims to be highly educated. Everything he's touched has turned to mould. His 'education' comes from a 'degree' in ecomomics from a private institution (in other words, he bought 3 years worh of propaganda), adn a 'degree' in theology from an institution which is considered such a joke, it is a punchline. (He's not a politician - he applied, but politicians were worried he'd ruin their good name in the community). Lawyers point to him as an example of how far not to fall.

but I'm absolutely with you for the rest!

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Northern Boy

Subject: Double Ambiguity, You Say ? (just silly stuff)

I'm more of a divergent than convergent thinker Jeff but here goes. I'd classify "double ambiguity" as redundancy, much like "frozen ice"," black negro", "stupid idiot", "the two twins" and my personal favourite, "paying customer". Hey wait a second, maybe "personal favourite" is redundant too ? If so, then "personal favourite" is my new personal favourite, which sounds doubly redundant. Now as for double redundancy, which only sounds like double ambiguity, it's when the aforementioned "paying customer" goes into a French Francais restaurant bistro and speaks rendundantese by telling the "garcon waiter" he'd like the "bisque soup" followed later by the "ham jambon", followed even "more later" by the "lamb agneu". I myself have done this on more than one occasion and have found that it is not only EXTREMELY, but is also HIGHLY efficacious in bringing about results (from the management running the place !) .

For instance, you might get asked the question "Sir, would you care to leave the premises ?", which mustn't be confused with redundancy. This is actually a rhetorical question, so it's more along the lines of "Hey NB, would you care for another Guinness ?", which clearly doesn't require a response either. Dlewsional (IOK), maybe you can find the ambiguity in my last post ? It's extremely subtle, yet in a non-obvious kind of way. Hint: it's not the word "mean". Let's give that one a rest. (PS. See why I must never be allowed to write a novel ?)

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Charlie Y

An old friend of mine made me a DVD copy of one of the 20th anniversary Byrds tribute shows featuring Rick Danko with Gene Clark, Blondie Chaplin and others. Most of the songs on the video are Gene Clark vocals, but it was really fun to see Rick Danko singing backup on "Sail On Sailor," the Beach Boys' song with lead vocals by Blondie Chaplin.

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Bonk

Subject: Roz

Roz. Take a minute to think about it. Like Levon used to say "Let's roll one and chill a little". Always the gentleman. I know what you're saying about the school thing. Being raised in a place called Cabbagetown in Toronto I immediately got my back up with the what I thought were new rules on this site. Then I just said fuck it and calmed down. After all it's not my site and I never put in the million hours that Jan has. So many times I've come on to the site and read some post from someone and ran to get a book on the subject because god damm, I missed that 20-30 years ago! If this site ever closes down completely were all fucked. Is it allowed to ask for someone's email addy?

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roz

Thanks Bonk but I ain't stayin' This guestbook is too much like school.

"Shush Shush Shush"

"Ohhh you're gonna get into trouble for that"

"I'm gonna tell on you..."

I hated school and.... it hated me

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Jaynie

Happy Birthday Sredni! We miss you.

Let me add my thanks too, Jan! It's nice to have an informative AND friendly Band guestbook!

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Friend0

But, then again, a double ambiguity is a condition of a term too. So we may have a double ambigutee committing double ambiguities.

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dlew919

Subject: C arol; Jan

Carol - I guess I don't want you to do those BandBites - I'd only give my right eye to see them. ;-)

And, while we're all at it - thanks Jan.

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Eddie

Subject: Sredni Vollmer

Happy Brithday Sredni, always enjoyed your harp playing with Rick down at the Lone Star Cafe and Folk City.

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Bonk

Subject: Roz

Roz. Good to see you back. Love your sense of humour. Like JH said most of them are not really gone if you look close. We just have to keep the posts to things pertaining to Music and the Band. But of course with a lot of humour thrown in. Like you I hate walking on eggshells. But sometimes we do go off on some tangent that has nothing to do with what the site was built for. Personally, and I guess being a Canuck, I hated all the shit about the Presidential race. Also I never really got what someone assumed was a bad post in some cases. So I keep reminding myself that what may be acceptable banter in our part of the woods might not really cut it in other parts of the world. Anyways, you are a good soul and hope to see more of you here.

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rosalind

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brown eyed girl

Take a spin with your Bobness.....Complete songs if you click on the progressive left side. ;-D

"Something there is about you

that strikes a match in me."

"Something there is about you that brings back a long-forgotten truth."

Kevin J and Simon: I only liked "Every Grain Of Sand" on "Shot Of Love" so I sold the CD as I'm no longer a completist but downloaded the one song for eternity. :-D

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Simon

Brown eyed girl / Kevin J - I'm certainly a fan of "Every Grain of Sand" and "Groom's Still Waiting at the Altar". I can recall buying Biograph the day it came out - I think it was about £20 - and loving the live version of "Heart of Mine". When I subsequently was given a copy of "Shot of Love" I went straight for the studio cut of "Heart ..." and was puzzled that Bob Dylan had elected to put what sounded like a rehearsal of the track on the LP. I just assumed I'd got a mispressing or something.

One obscure-ish song I love is "Rita May." It's odd that it's only available on the Australian "Masterpieces" collection. (As far as I know).

Last but not least ... a big shout out to Jan for his hospitality.

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Northern Boy

Neil apparently did a great job at GM Place last week, doing all the old things you'd hope to hear as well as new material. The two hour trek in from Ramboville (Hope) would've made for quite the late night in the middle the work week, and I needed to be fresh for law enforcement the next day. Besides I'd kind of sworn off big venues.

But a friend who went said it was great so now in hindsight I'm feeling highly conflicted about not having gone. My friend clearly sensed my despondency over this and tried to make me feel better by letting me look at, and fondle, his really cool Neil T-shirt from the concert. He cut me off after about thirty seconds however, as he was wearing the shirt at the time. Probably best for both of us.

NB's Word of The Day: "disambiguation" - it sounds highly cool and may also possibly mean something. This depends on how you define "mean". (IOK)

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Carol

Kevin and Jeff-Thanks for your suggestions. I do have some Bites in the hopper--have been there for some time, but I put them on the back burner when the site closed, and have not yet had a chance to finish them. If people still want to read them, I will be glad to continue the series. And of course I want to write about people you guys are interested in.

Kevin, I appreciate your insight; now I don't feel bad that I missed Counting Crows live:-) I was perfectly happy with their first record but could feel schmaltziness rearing its ugly head even from the "Mr. Jones" video. As I said, "Accidentally in Love" did it for me; that one was just too embarrassing.

Lars, I can't believe Sred is 62. Please send a hug to him for me, if you don't mind. I miss him!

Jan--THANK YOU for all you have done and continue to do, and for bringing back the GB, which can be a wonderful place because there are many really nice and knowledgeable people here. Knowing that you are "manning the controls" makes it warm and cozy.

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brown eyed girl

From: luisenrique21x: "This is a rare take of "Ballad of Hollis Brown". (Dylan and The Band). Date: January 1974 NYC. Added: October 06, 2008

I totally dig Dylan with The Band.

I totally dig The Band with Dylan.

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Joan

Thanks for that heads up Lars. I know he was a special person to Rick, and as a Dankette, anyone who likes Rick gets my vote. Please pass along my birthday wishes.

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Lars

Subject: The Sredmeister

(All the best to you, Norbert.)

I just wanted to make sure that everybody knows that Sredni Vollmer is alive and well. He turns 62 tomorrow, Oct 28th.

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dlew919

Subject: John Cleese

All John cleese needed to do was Python. To follow it up with Fawlty Towers... (and I quite like A Fish Called Wanda, as well)

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Bill M

The following snippet appears in a music industry newsletter produced by Larry Leblanc, a sometime visitor to the GB:

"++ Canadian guitarist John Gibbard [ex Crowbar] has launched a campaign to get Toronto sound equipment pioneer Peter Traynor recognized by Canada’s music industry. There’s a petition on Facebook under Groups/ Entertainment and Arts/General/Peter Traynor Award; and an online petition at: [see link above]. Considering the global popularity of Traynor amps and speakers, recognition for Pete is long overdue. Heck, I’d give him an industry award alone just for retooling guitars for Robbie Robertson in the early ‘60s."

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Bill M

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Kevin J

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Steve

Beg, seems Peter picked up that thin skin you shed. I was surprised and pleased at what I thought was a mostly positive post concerning Peter.

Bill, is Hawkins still driiiviing a cab in Ottawa?

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jh

A few posts have been removed (actually, they're all still there, if you look closely...), one IP adress has been blocked (today), but all is still relatively well (may I ask a few of you gentlemen and ladies to duel it out somewhere else?).

Thanks to everyone who contribute positively to this place, for helping us keep the flame burning. A special thank-you to Brown Eyed Girl for her tireless scouting missions.

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Bill M

BEG: Dreidels, I know from having a lame Don McLean song explained by a dj many moons ago, are tops. So it looks like you're tops in somebody else's books.

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bob w.

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Friend0

You damn well know I was pointing out to Walt that Jan isn't coddling you, or anyone, and that people can disagree with you ( or anyone) here, like he has, without getting silenced. You know my advice to Walt was to not go after The GB, and the man running The Gb. That if you, Peter, deride musicians the way you did Dylan, he or anyone has the ability to disagree with you here. Unlike in Little Pink. Which was your private playground. It's no secret. This is not your private playground. Also no secret.

And You know Walt was going after The GB. You know exactly what he was doing and why. Essentially Walt's position has been Peter shuts up or I'll make this whole GB sorry Peter posts here. I asked him to back off of Jan. For all our sakes.

You Peter, are trying to make this into something else. If I want to bust your chops, I sure as hell don't need Walt to do it for me. And I sure as hell don't need a false premise.

Keep up the negativity, you & BEG will make it easier for Walt to accomplish what he set out to do.

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Peter V

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Friend0

Since You're A Big Girl Now I'll let you choose which applies regarding your post to me.

A) You've failed Reading Comprehension. In which case I can only say "Tough Noogies."

Or

B) You've qualified for the Dreidel Olympics!Congratulations are in order. Don't forget to lotion your hands nightly. Wear warm gloves in the winter, and carry proper insurance on those fingers.

Additionally, I'd like to point out that I've no issue with Peter posting here. I'd even venture to say I've brought a few smiles to his face here. Walt is the guy essentially trying to blackmail Peter out of posting here.

Nothing in your post makes sense re mine Angie. Maybe you can just try to blame it on the stomach flu and avoid fessing up and choosing A or B.

Do I sense an infomercial coming? For only $5.95, BEG will send you her tried & true secrets telling how you too can develop & perfect rash avoidance skills thru participation in The Band Guestbook.

I look forward to more of your links. If you ever get tired of using BEG, I'd propose using Mrs. James Dean AKA The Link Queen. You can drop the second part, just go with Mrs James Dean.

For those of you far away and not getting the reference, the largest prepackaged sausage link co here has to be Jimmy Dean. I know I glorified it a little with James, but Angie is worth it. Some of those links are rather good. Gawd Damn, I'll even spring for a pair of false finger nails for ya Angie.

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Joan

Subject: Another side of music management

Harold Kant. Lawyer for the Grateful Dead.

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Bill M

Subject: addendum

Coincidentally, today's Globe has an article about the Bill Hawkins project; it quotes Robbie Robertson and mentions Joni and Jimi in passing - and a nifty little group with Amos Garrett and Darius Brubeck that played for Pierre Trudeau's victory party.

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Jan F.

J.F.

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Zzzz

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brown eyed girl

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Friend0

Blondie and Sredni. Probably already long in the bucket. If anything, the editing of many conversation/interviews would be a lengthy process to whittle down to a BandBite. I'd expect sizable contributions to a book from both.

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Kevin J

"What can I say about Claudette? Ain't seen her since January, She could be respectably married or running a whorehouse in Buenos Aires." - B. Dylan, 1981

Carol: Counting Crows - A fine debut release but sufferred from being just awful live like so many bands did from that era. Eight years of playing dives and dancehalls might have helped. Also, having the lead singer change the Dylan line to Alex Chilton in most live settings just seemed goofy. The Replacements fan were not impressed.

BandBites: Jason Isbell formerly of Drvie By Truckers would make a very good subject. Perhaps other bands that have been influenced by The Band also.

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Bill M

Subject: Bill Hawkins tribute CD

I see that the long-awaited tribute CD to the songs of Ottawa poet/songwriter William Hawkins has been released. Features performances by Bruce Cockburn, Murray McLauchlan, Brent Titcomb, Bill Stevenson (from Earth Opera, a blast from the past) et al. The best-known song, because it was recorded by Tom Rush, is the lovely "Gnostic Serenade":

"And finally, we are as the times are / we meet to part and go our separate ways / but I am trapped on this crazy star / I've been a prisoner all my days / Once we were young, and we laughed a lot / happiness wasn't peculiar like today / so I will give you everything everything you think I've got / just to prove it needn't remain this way ...

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Joan

I'm stepping out of the shadows a bit. If you have a gripe with someone here, and it is personal, not "musical", please take it to private email. I, for one, enjoy this GB very much. I really appreciate Jan for providing this place, and I would hate to lose it. Peace.

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DEE

Subject: Thanks to BEG

Hope you are feeling better!

Thanks for all of the recent links....I DO enjoy them.

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Bill M

Empty N: Nice to see you back.

BEG: Thanks for the autobiog - whether four or five chapters long.

Tom Dressed by Teenagers: Welcome. Perth seems to be Australia's hotbed of Band-dom, as we had a Carol posting from there some years ago. (But not for a long time, unfortunately.)

Steve: Any idea where Bumbles is? I'm thinking he's in Miami F-L-A; not walking on the wild side, but doing his bit in the Grand Schlep.

David P: Thanks for pointing out the Shakespeare-Dylan link.

Do any of you know the work of Willie B Huff, who recorded blues for the LA-based Big Town label in the fifties? I picked up the three-CD set, "Bob Geddins' Big Town Records Story", last week because it includes at least eight songs by Frank Motley's Motley Crew (who seem to have been the first to bring rock and roll to the T-dot), but it Willie's work that stands out for me.

Fred: There was a long article about Stompin' Tom in the Saturday Globe.

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dlew919

Sorry to hear about Merl Saunders. With that resume, he could only have been great.

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dlew919

How are you? It was a lap steel (as the photo I posted before looking to see if anyone answered me) shows. Thanks, as always, for that. I need to look, but I don't think that's shown in the film?

Seeger was terrific. If he comes here, I'd consider going. /n That's how impressed I was... (admittedly, I'd doubt an 89 yo will travel here, but he seems fit), and staying away from what killed Jimi et al couldn't have hurt...

I miss the (non-abusive) politics, but if jh says no, I'm good with that.

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dlew919

Subject: Getting back to music

Here's a picture of Richard on lap slide (not pedal steel as I misremembered)... that adds another instrument to the list!

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Charlie Y

award = away

I need coffee. It's a good thing we can't talk politics here.

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Mid

Subject: A smell of Woodstock in the air....

Take it in, it's that time of year.

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Charlie Y

Subject: Pete Seeger...and Lap Steel

Dlew: Thanks for the tip on that great Pete Seeger song from Letterman. I got to take my daughter to see Mr. Seeger a couple of years ago and it was amazing. I think the backing musicians for his Letterman appearances were members of a band called The Mammals including his grandson, Tao Rodriguez-Seeger. Pete stayed award from the things that killed Hendrix, Joplin and Morrison and lived longer than all them combined--and in 2008 he can sing better than Bob Dylan.

I think the instrument Richard Manuel played in that previously mentioned photo was the lap steel, perhaps best known for David Lindley's work behind Jackson Browne in that era.

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Carol

I was very sad to learn that Merl Saunders has passed away. I worked with Merl for a couple of years in the late 90s. I was introduced to him by Rick and did tour publicity for him as well as press for a couple of records. Merl played with the Grateful Dead and many others, including Miles Davis, and was an underrated keyboardist. Also a very cool, very intelligent, hip and youthful guy.

Most Band fans know Merl or know of him; he played with Rick in Japan. Merl was 74. God bless.

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Friend0

We all know how you feel about Peter, he brings it on himself and can deal with you on his own. He's earned that privilege. But I, and I am sure most others, would appreciate it if you showed Jan the respect he deserves, and if you would respect the wishes of those of us who would like to continue to be able to utilize this posting place. To diuscuss The Band and music in general. And maybe some other things. You, or anyone getting it closed down, would be sad. This is not Peter's private playground, like Little Pink was. We can answer Peter here, and crush his nuts when they deserve crushing. Just the fact that he can't tell anyone to fuck off, tha they will get deleted or banned, has to be a major difficulty for him. You can be your bippee he's been going to Moderator's Anonymous daily, sometimes twice a day. Ain't that good enough for you? You've crossed the line. So why not just leave it alone walt?

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brown eyed girl

"I’ve been alive forever, And I wrote the very first song. I put the words and the melodies together, I am music, And I write the songs.

I write the songs that make the whole world sing. I write the songs of love and special thing s. I write the songs that make the young girls cry. I write the songs, I write the songs."

;-D

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Steve

Every time I start to warm up to Mr. I, Me, Mine, I'm sure to come face to face with an example of why I never quite get there.

While browsing ATGD for something else I came across J2Rs stated reason for not going back on the road with the Band, Post TLW.

"I'd made a movie ( don't tell Marty) and a three album set ( there's that nasty, almost mean, One Man Band Thing Again) about the fact the Band was over".

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dlew919

Subject: RIP Dee Dee Warwick

Dionne's no less talented, but far less famous sister...

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Steve

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brown eyed girl

"Levon Helm playing a free concert at the Fall Farm Festival at John Gills Farm, Hurley, NY, this afternoon. About 200 yards from our house."

October 26, 2008 Photo by OmMane..."He was playing "the weight" when this picure was taken! "

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brown eyed girl

In the year 1969...."The Band, formerly The Hawks who had been backing up Bob Dylan for a few years perform their 1st concert on their own. Robbie Robertson, Richard Manuel, Garth Hudson, Rick Danko and Levon Helm."

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Tom

Subject: the Weight

/nI was listening to the Local ABC radio station puttin on my tie.My daughter was sittin on the edge of the bed (she is my wardrobe advisor) when the first few notes of The Weight came on the radio.We both looked at each other and just smiled.The smile on her face just made my day!!Is it just me or do other Guestbooker,s teenage children have a strong affection for the Band?

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Peter V

Just read that Van Morrison will be performing Astral Weeks complete at the Hollywood Bowl in early November … with the original bass player and guitarist, now in they're 70s. There will be a CD and DVD.

Also, Record Collector has ads for new pressings of Music From Big Pink and The Band on 180 gram vinyl.

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dlew919

There's a fascinating photo form the Evangeline sessions of richard on a Pedal Steel (I think)... it's on the DVD cover... There certainly sounds like a pedal steel in the song... David P.? Confirmation?

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rosalind

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brown eyed girl

OOOPS! I forgot chapter V! Probably because that's the most difficult in anyone's life.

Autobiography in Five Short Chapters

I

I walk down the street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I fall in. I am lost...I am helpless It isn't my fault. It takes forever to find a way out.

II

I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I pretend I don't see it. I fall in again I can't believe I am in this same place. But it isn't my fault. It still takes a long time to get out.

III

I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I see it is there. I still fall in...it's a habit...but, My eyes are open. I know where I am It's my fault. I get out immediately.

IV

I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I walk around it.

V

I walk down another street.

Author unknown.

Artist: BAND | Levon HELM File name: RA1008_BAND Photographer: RICHARD E AARON Date: ../../1976 Location: NEW YORK, NEW YORK, USA Caption: Levon Helm performing live onstage, singing and playing drums Credits: Richard E Aaron/Redferns/MUSICPICTURES.COM

Thank you for the review JQ.

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brown eyed girl

Ian Dury...Delusion of Grandeur? lol

Joan: I've also been taking Influenzium. Remember with homeopathics the remedy has to be matched to the individual re emotional and physical state. I have a couple of books where I try to prescribe for myself. When I can I visit my Naturopathic Doctor but my medical plan at work and our Health Care system doesn't cover. Thanks for your concern. Are you well enough now to go to concerts? I sure hope so!!!!

Autobiography in Five Short Chapters

I

I walk down the street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I fall in. I am lost...I am helpless It isn't my fault. It takes forever to find a way out.

II

I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I pretend I don't see it. I fall in again I can't believe I am in this same place. But it isn't my fault. It still takes a long time to get out.

III

I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I see it is there. I still fall in...it's a habit...but, My eyes are open. I know where I am It's my fault. I get out immediately.

IV

I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I walk around it.

V

Bob Dylan - “Tell Tale Signs: The Bootleg Series Vol. 8 - Rare and Unreleased 1989-2006″ (2008) October 25, 2008 at 6:50 pm

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Jaynie

I believe Rick played mandolin also.

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James Dearing

Subject: The Band

The Band was well known to be able to perform with different instruments. It's been a long time since I thought about it, but I remember them like this:

LEVON: drums, mandolin, bass, and harmonica

ROBBIE: guitar, piano

RICK: bass, guitar, and fiddle

RICHARD: piano, drums, harmonica (TLW)

GARTH: organ, piano, clavinet, accordian, and sax

Did I miss any other instruments?

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Northern Boy

Thanks for that informative and well-written post. Based on the Ramble Vol 2. CD/DVD, particularly that great "I Want To Know" performance, I very much like the more soulful, belting side of Amy Helm that you alluded to and was disappointed she wasn't at the Ramble I attended. Maybe next time, though like you, I'm not exactly down the street from Levon.

You and others have commented on how great Levon's voice has been in the last few months. I wonder if it's coming back even further from all that it underwent. That would be great. He maybe only sang a total of 6 or 7 songs at my Ramble (Aug 07). I wonder if he's more physically capable now and therefore singing a few more at the current Rambles. Not that I'm at all complaining about what Levon delivered when I was there.

I still think a very modest stage would make the Ramble venue shall we say, even more perfect. I cheated a bit by putting my chair in front of one of those huge posts (beams) that run from floor to ceiling. When I wanted a better look I just stood up for a stretch, thus not blocking anyone else's view. It worked so well another guy even stole my technique !

JQ, I hope you were able to find some Guinness on tap later in order to punctuate such a great evening! Thanks again.

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Friend0

steve, thanks for the tip. Speaking of ginger, i get all kinds of ginger drinks, including ginger beer, in the caribean shops up the road a piece. Then there's one with peanuts in it too.

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Ari S.

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JQ

Insofar as Woodstock goes it was pouring rain so there ain't much to report.

The night opened with Bill Keith's Saturday Night Bluegrass Band which was fine and a mellow, acoustic start to the night's music.

Then Charlie Louvin & his outfit: a hot shot Telly twang guy, bass, drum & Charlie. Quite a few 2 &1/2 minute songs, See The Big Man Cry & My Baby's Gone were the high points. His last CD came in 2nd to Dirt Farmer in the Grammy race. He came back on later and did Will The Circle Be Unbroken with Levon's band, big fun.

Levon came on at 9 & went until midnight. The set list was mostly the same as the MerleFest CD. I think the band was the usual line up but without Jimmy V; Larry Campbell was the only guitar player. The musicians' competence was evident immediately and the arrangements were well-suited for their chops. When the whole band pushed into it as one the sound was powerful and furious. There were 4 horn players that, with Levon, provided most of that thrust & verve.

One aspect that impressed & surprised me a bit was the quality of everybody's singing: Levon was passionate and his voice was in great form. I felt some unnecessary tension that his voice would crack or just shut off altogether, but it never did. Amy Helm's singing was different from what I knew of her from Ollabelle, she's more of a belter like her Pa. Theresa Campbell has a lovely, light voice which was well-suited for her country ballads, including Long Black Veil. She & Amy were great as soulful back-up singers too. Larry Campbell is a legit blues singer. And the piano player, Brian Mitchell, has a unique & oddly expressive singing style; he took the lead on a great New Orleans number and Simple Twist of Fate.

The other aspect that was a tremendous surprise (I know it shouldn't have been) was Levon's drumming. I can't recall the last time I was so impressed with a drummer. He worked his ass off all night and his skills were particularly evident on the Band songs and Rock & Roll Shoes, he's just such a great rock n roll fan. He reminded me mostly of Gene Krupa with all his enthusiasm & flare.

So now I'd reckon I'm like everybody else that's been and I too saw a once-in-a-lifetime performance in the best venue imaginable.

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Peter V

Let’s put it this way. I dislike Starbucks Americanos. Their rivals, Costa and Nero do a better cup because they put the hot water in first and the coffee after. Simple. So I have my coffee at Nero or Costa, not Starbucks. Lots of people prefer Starbucks. That’s fine with me. What I don’t do is go into Starbucks every day and tell them I don’t like their coffee. Then if I got asked not to frequent Starbucks with my repetitive old compaints, I wouldn’t put on a false beard and go back and repeat the same as if I were someone else. Then after that, I wouldn’t put on a wig and moustache and repeat the exercise. To do so would make me a “disgruntled postal worker” (of two boys). It does astonish me how someone can work themselves up into such a frothing at the mouth state about complete strangers in Cyberspace. Then everytime they’re called on being … to put it mildly, an obsessive … say “Ha ha, I’m only having fun.’

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Jeb Stuart

shepat1862atsbcglobaldotnet

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Joan

Norbert, I couldn't agree more about Lars. A true poet. a gentle caring man.

BEG: if you are trying homeopathics,look for Influenzinum, Carbo Vegetalis, and Nux Vomica. Also, non homeopathic, but very effective, Charcoal Caps. It absorbs all the "bad stuff".Feel better soon.

Best ginger ale I've ever had (Of those made commercially) is one called Vernors. It is made in the midwest. Not sold around NY. My friends used to ship it to me when they lived in Ohio.

Walt: Since Jan so kindly reopened this GB, I think it has been pretty good about sticking to the subject, which is music. Not all music, and musicians are good. Thus sometimes people will share their negative as well as positive opinions. Hopefully those opinions are not rancorous, and they do not engender rancor.

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Steve

Founded in 1896, it's still family owned and even though it has almost died a couple of times it is now on the rise again and expanding slowly but steadily.

They no longer use real Jamaican ginger but the ale has a real ginger bite that hits the back of the throat. It's also less sweet by half than other ginger ales. You can google the company and get a look at their products.

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Friend0

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brown eyed girl

Hi abby girl and Fred.....yup my grandparents would have said eat soup and drink gingerella....only the champagne of gingerales of course. Take note American posters....The Canada Dry gingerale in the USA is not the same! I know 'cause crabgrass brought a pack for me while I was staying with my friend in Greenwich Village and I was soooo disappointed.......but.......his heart was in the right place. :-D I gave him one of Landy's books on The Band and Dylan as well as Calm and I bought one for myself. I was lucky everyone.....red dirt girl price!

I'm also taking a homeopathic remedy called Gelsemium which takes away the chills and body aches. I'm off shortly to another acupuncture treatment for over all health and for my knees.

From the Roulette label.....Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks - Southern Love

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dlew919

Subject: A couple of random thoughts - one on Pete Seeger, one on fort apache (1948)

did anyone see Pete Seeger on Letterman? I thought he was very good (particularly given he is 89!), and led the studio audience in a sing-a-long. He had a pretty good band, too... (While I rank Mr Seeger somewhere higher than Peter V. ;-), he's not a favourite of mine - however, he did impress me greatly on Letterman).

Secondly, one of the actresses in 'Fort Apache' (1948) (dir John Ford, starring John Wayne, Henry Fonda, shirley Temple, John Agar, Ward Bond) is Anna Lee. Wonder if there's a Weight connection?

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Fred

Angelina: don't forget to drink room temp ginger ale. It works wonders! (my grandmother's claim, not mine)

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Scott

Subject: The band has to be the best!

Every Time i put the Band on, People are like that music sucks, it makes me mad cause the band has to be the best band ever, if i had no Band i would half to sit in "the Barn" While doing "stuff" and listen to music where the singer's dont feel the music, when the Band sang music they really sang it!

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abby

Hang in there, BEG - just when you think it's over, it ain't over. It has to be soup, soup and more soup. And, well, if you really get desperate for some TASTE, maybe on the way to work you might secretly grab you a/some doughnuts. Gooey, chocolatey, creme-filled doughnuts. With milk. Hide the empty bag before you get home.

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Zzzz

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walt

As long as you got the diploma you may act like a high schooler! LOL

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Friend0

Really. I left after junior year. The school gave me a diploma a year later anyway. I'm not kidding.

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walt

Yes,Simon,in the spirit of your past kindness,you are correct--there are things i've learned here over the years.As for the complaints then--also correct--same problems as i mentioned in my prior posts & yes this place is very high school! The thing that lead me to respond now & then is when fans are critical of artist's personal lives or styles when those fans have never spent a minute with the people they call out with words like greedy,mean....It is usually the arrogant,pretensious types who resort to this & oddly enough the gentelman who calls Dylan mean here tends to write(not only here on the GB) with such great pretense that one might think he,himself wrote the music,the lyrics,etc. And,to be honest,as for it being "a bit overwrought"---you may want to view this a bit more realistically--it's only the internet--i can assure you cyberspace is not a context worth getting "overwrought" about.

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Fred

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Zzzz

Jeff/Carol, don't tell me you guys are afraid of circus clowns... wink wink... I too think Adam has a masterpiece in him... Maybe he needs a weird collaboration to get it out... B52's, REM or something... clownish... maybe a band of those characters that hung out with Richard Gere Dylan in I'm Not There... Some of my fav CC tunes... the title track from Recovering the Satellites... I Wish I Was A Girl from This Desert Life... an acoustic version of Angels of the Silences from Across A Wire... Good Time off of Hard Candy... and if you saw the MTV "wooden music" thing... some of his intros to songs were cool... I like the piano on Long December too... There's some real passion and unique vocal things he does that feel creative in the vocal way Van does things or Cros and Nash... unique... takes you somewhere... I've got a boot with a snipit of Barely Out of Tuesday... that is just so spookey... like for a moment he's somewhere else... I'd say CC's have an ability to be more romantic too...

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Mike (Plochmann Lane)

Subject: Tupelo Music Hall in Londonderry, NH

Thanks, Jeff, on the Londonderry, NH heads up. You're probably referring to the Tupelo Music Hall where David "Honeyboy" Edwards, last living link to Robert Johnson will be performing Nov 9th. Loudon Wainwright III & Johnny Winters is also scheduled to perform there. The link is above. Thanks again, Jeff!

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Simon

And it always fascinates me that people who post under different names don't make any effort whatsoever to disguise their signatures. And if you think people's interpretations of, say, lyrics are pretentious then I'd have to disagree ... there are many things that have been posted here that have made me think twice. I think it's ironic that you can bang on and on about something like that. Like, saying you've been reading this guestbook for years and years and you think it's a disgrace. Is there anything good you've gleaned from these pages? Anything at all?

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Carol

Hi Zzzz-

I didn't really mean to compare them to grunge...it was more like something that I've always associated with the death of grunge, literally and figuratively. First it was the Wallflowers--and I thought they sounded slightly Band-like with a harder edge--and then came Counting Crows' mega-hit "Mr. Jones" right around the same time--a little before, I think--of Cobain's suicide. Maybe some of it was coincidence, but the melody driven roots-rock stuff really took hold from about 92 to 96 or so. I, too, like Pearl Jam and love Eddie Vedder's baritone. I know what you mean about "light-weight" and that's probably what's kept me from totally loving Counting Crows though, again, I think their debut was one of the best albums of the decade.

Jeff--no happy creativity for me! Always has to have a little angst and despair :-) I actually don't know CC's entire catalogue. As I said, their stuff got a little too "poppy" for me--or maybe it's that I have a hard time listening to them without picturing Shrek and Fiona kissing; not a pretty sight--but I agree with you about Duritz's talent. I don't think it's put on. His dreads may be, but to each his own.

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Zzzz

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Friend0

Happy creativity is often just make up creating :-)

Complicated subject, youre on the money.

You know Counting Crow's catalogue far better than I. There are songs I recognize and like. The first big hit (Mr Jones"{, I also cracked up when I heard that line, I wanna be Bob Dylan, but the when everybody loves you part after kinda ruined it for me. I dug one more I knew, then the song with Riochard Manuel is dead, well, the line and the delivery, it does get you. The songs has something though it is far from a truly great song. And I've listened to a lot of Duritz's singing, and yeah, I agree with you, he can over do it. Bur , yeah, he's got something sometimes. And i hear the same influences you hear.

After reading his lengthy interview, i think Rolling Stone, and other things of his, I got the vibe that there may be a lot more to him, and that it is very possible this guy has a masterpiece performance to give. He's got blues,. Notice I didn't say The Blues. There is a enormous difference, But, he has a gift, and a talent, and may one day be able to go deep in a different direction than he now does. Who knows. But if he can ever tap in in a different way, it would be interesting.

Hey Walt, if you can put me in touch with him, you can be more than a gopher at the sessions. Same goes for anyone else.

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Carol

Jeff, yes I've heard Adam Duritz has dissociative disorder and problems with depression...but everybody has something and I don't think I've ever--not once--met a truly creative person who didn't suffer from depression and/or other demons.

Musically speaking, I think their first album was both a blessing and a curse, because it was really good *and* really commercial--they couldn't win in some people's eyes. So then they had the sophomore jinx to worry about, as well as people branding them as posers and fakes. I loved that first album, but was not crazy about what they did after that. When they recorded "Accidentally in Love," they really lost me, though I think Duritz is a talented songwriter and a good singer, when he doesn't "over-sing." I think I have an affection for them because of their love of The Band and Van Morrison, whose influence I can also hear. I heard some of the live stuff and it didn't move me, either.

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Friend0

Info about music and gigs gets passed around. I been meaning to tell Mike & Kim that someone good is coming to Londonderry New Hampshire, i just can't remember whom. but I will find it. Boston too, for other people. Yeah , Peter can be a world class jerk, but, you've been callig him on it. And for a while, was doing so eloquently. Jan has let you, but once you cross into just repetitive negativity, that will change.

Just relax, participate, and when Peter gets mean again, whack him squarely across the bridge of his nose.

You do have some good stuff to offer here, and i imagine that there are music related stories that you can tell in detail without getting your ass in a sling.

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brown eyed girl

Sorry again.....The kidzzz are from Ron Clark Academy, Atlanta!

That's all folks. Back to bed since I've got that bug too.

'Farther on up the road' Ronnie Hawkins and others made a distinctive home for rock 'n' roll in Northwest Arkansas. Published 1/26/2006

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brown eyed girl

Sorry I forgot to give credit to rapper TI for the grooove.....Kidzzz changed the lyrics of course.

Rick and Robbie 1976. Credits: Richard E Aaron/Redferns/MUSICPICTURES.COM

Simon: I'm always looking out for Dylan. Btw the only song I liked on "Shot Of Love" was "Every Grain Of Sand". Emmylouuu did a good cover as well thanks to Daniel Lanois producing "Wrecking Ball"......which is my fave recording of hers anyway.

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brown eyed girl

You can vote however you like kids song. Rap has never been all crap. Check out this cooool rap to vote by some very cooool kidzzzz in Alabama.

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walt

I think i got your point---i was joking around....or trying to--is that permitted here?(sorry another lame joke)

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Friend0

Walt, with a name like walt i expected you would understand my post correctly. I'm disappointed.

Carol, Duritz lives in NY now, has a record label of his own. Some unusual medical / psychological issues that he has opened up about and they are the key to most of his seemingly self absorbed lyrics. An in depth interview, he seemd a pretty okay guy of sorts.

I enjoy some of his singing alot. Did hear a lot of live Counting Crows this spring and summer on various radio shows, and the band was rather poor. They did have a variety of personnel changes since years ago.

Ron, If you start walking from Scottsdale, Arizona to Port Hardy now, you will probably still get there ahead of schedule for Westo's final session.

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walt

Simon--i could care less whether i am banned now or whenever & am amazed that people spend their time rifiling through the GB archives to catch "violators" who say things some may not want to hear--very odd!! You are correct--i do view this GB,in general(& not ALL posters) as kinda....to quote viney,mean!!! You have this bizarre bumbles guy who refers to himself in third person & has no restriction on the many nasty things he's said about Levon Helm over the years.Why isn't he banned? You all know Viney,who acknowledges & behaves in a way consistent with meanness--all cloaked in intelectual cover-bullshit. You have the Robbie haters. Also & the way the self appointed leaders like Viney regularly cut people with their words--simply put, this GB shames the memory of The Band & behaving well for a week won't fix it. Finally,the misinformation & fantasies that people post as fact makes this GB a little crazier. After all,LHS runs a nice GB,The Danko blog is informative,mature & a pleasure to read,& Garth's site is....well,uniquely GARTH'S!! LOL This website is & was fantastic--i don't know Jan but it's a tribute to Jan that this site is dynamic & interesting as can be....& THAT is why this GB is such a massive disappointment---perhaps i was too idealistic thinking people would visit here to express gratitude to the musicians,share concert & album info,to talk music,etc. But,i must tell you,after seeing the vitriol here i began to believe that the GB is garbage & should be closed. In the meantime(until i'm banned--& if it's up to Viney i'm sure he'll work the power grid to off me!! LOL) i will plan to respond as often as possible to those who bare their nastiness to the musicians.

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Simon

brown eyed girl - Thanks for the links. There were a couple of audio clips on YouTube that were only up for about a week before being taken down. One was Dylan & the Hawks from Berkeley 1965 doing an electrified "It Ain't Me Babe" - I know Jan used to have the Robbie solo up as a file. It's a pretty amazing version. The other was from Tour '74 ... "Something There Is About You" from Chicago. Some beautiful playing from Garth. I know both performances are quite rare so I'll keep my eyes peeled.

As regards Walt's apparent beef with Peter ... I'd say it stems from being banned. The weird thing is he actually *insisted* on being banned and one of the moderators - Peter, I assume - granted his request. I don't want to dwell too much on this but yesterday I had a look at all the posts when Jan kindly reopened this place - I had technical problems at the time and only just noticed September's posts were up - in among all the posts expressing gratitude was one from Walt saying the place should be shut down. It'd only been back online about 24 hours. Ho-hum. I only wish he'd be a bit more positive as I really enjoyed his reminiscences of meeting Rick by the fruit and veg section which I think he posted a while back.

Norbert - Thanks very much for all your efforts and generosity over the years.

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Norbert

Subject: Pedersen on Jones

The cherry on the cake …. the flower on the table …. the sun betweens heavy clouds …. for me that’s Lars Pedersen to this GB. Good to have him back in town. Always working to make this world a better, warmer, place. In a few sweet words he turns grumpy ‘Westie’ Norm Jones into the friendly hardworking, wood chopping Perry Como complete with apron and duster.... also informative .... Lars on Norm cutting wood: “chips were flying off of his chain saw” learns us that Jones’ chainsaw is razor sharp (I know that a stump chain will produce only dust).

Anyway, the line that causes the bows to frown a little is of course “Got a real nice home that he keeps spotless” ….well … something like watching TLW the first time … Captain Jones will even clean his tug diesel after every job! … I’m sure.

One day, looking over the troubled North-Sea, one hand above the eyes ... I’ll spot a spotless Flying Dutchman at the horizon …. Perry behind the rudder ....one hand on the helm, the duster firm in the other. ... .and I know I’ve seen Norm ‘Westie’ Jones himself, Gawd damn it. (for the good order I love them both)

b.t.w. what’s the word on Joe the Plumber?

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Carol

Peter--there is a passage about it in Ronnie Hawkins' book Last of the Good Ol' Boys w/some quotes from Robbie.

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Peter V

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Peter V

I was trying to find the reference to Morris Levy meeting Robbie for the first time … I didn't turn it up. Anyone remember where it was? Which book or interview?

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walt

My response on my reasoning is detailed in my first or second post & i prefer not to bore you or others with repitition.As for fiery darts,some folks shoot them off alot & once in awhile a fiery dart or 2 in return can be quite reasonable.

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walt

Thanks for the information & very cool to hear Rick's take on this band--thanks again!

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Carol

Walt-I think Counting Crows are as Band-like as another band can be, without actually copying their sound. They were heavily influenced by The Band, yet manage to keep their own style. I think Adam Duritz definitely has a Dankoesque quality to his voice.

When "August and Everything After" came out, I gave a copy to Rick. He'd heard "Mr. Jones" on the radio and got a kick out of it. He thought it was a good song, and chuckled at the "I wanna be Bob Dylan" line. He also liked "Omaha," and I found it funny that he didn't say "Hmm, that sounds a bit like us." But he did see the influence.

Jakob D's Wallflowers were also heavily influenced by The Band, and Jakob has made no secret of his love for the guys. Rick also liked the Wallflowers' debut and was very flattered that Jakob cited The Band as a major influence (along with the Clash :-).

In retrospect, I think those two bands were more significant in helping to introduce Gen-Xers to The Band than they seemed to be at the time. They really had a big hand in moving rock away from grunge and back--however briefly--to traditional instruments and solid arrangements. It was like "Mandolins and accordions are cool, not corny. If you don't believe us, listen to The Band..."

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brown eyed girl

Hey Walt....I forgot what name you used the last time but it was easy to tell from your posts that you weren't a band guest book virgin. lol Anyway, just an observation but...Is there any possibility you could state why you don't think Dylan is mean instead of shooting Peter those fiery darts? I'm sure for everyone who thinks Dylan or we're mean in any Guest Book.....there are those who think we're the cat's meooooow!.....As you know....Dylan knew about those fiery darts, didn't he? ;-D

Robbie and Eric soundcheck.

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walt

So,you're telling me Viney is the moderator again.Well,then maybe he has insight into the Counting Crows question i had asked?! Much appreciated.

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brown eyed girl

Robbie with Joni at the NARM Convention. "It was and is truly one of those moments!"

www.marcmercurio.com/ My%20Webs/jonirobbie.jpg

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walt

Anyone have thoughts on the Counting Crows? A friend mentioned last night that he felt they were very "Band-like". I couldn't hear it other than an infrequent accordion in the mix.Anyone have opinions?

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Peter V

Browsing the record fair today, I thought I saw "High on the Hog" in a different sleeve. It was indeed "High on the Hog" in a different sleeve because it was a retrospective of Tony McPhee and The Groundhogs. (BTW, Jeff, is "hog" allowable on Saturdays in connection to The Band, or in this case, a classic, if rather dull, blues band?)

American Roulette … not the Robbie title, but the label on the original Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks "Who Do You Love?" I picked up.

I did irritate one stallholder because a guy holding Rock of Ages on vinyl said "Do you know if this is on CD?" The stallholder said "no" and I automatically said "yes."

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brown eyed girl

I was visiting a friend in Saskat and when I heard Dylan's "Sloooow Train Coming"......absolutely loved it musicially and lyrically I just inserted someone else whenever Bob would sermonize about God. My fave song from Dylan's "Saved"....."What Can I Do For You?" I ended up selling this CD but I downloaded these songs as well ....

A Satisfied Mind

Covenant Woman

Pressing On

"You have given everything to me. What can I do for You? You have given me eyes to see. What can I do for You?

Pulled me out of bondage and You made me renewed inside, Filled up a hunger that had always been denied, Opened up a door no man can shut and You opened it up so wide And You've chosen me to be among the few. What can I do for You?

You have laid down Your life for me. What can I do for You? You have explained every mystery. What can I do for You?

Soon as a man is born, you know the sparks begin to fly, He gets wise in his own eyes and he's made to believe a lie. Who would deliver him from the death he's bound to die? Well, You've done it all and there's no more anyone can pretend to do. What can I do for You?

You have given all there is to give. What can I do for You? You have given me life to live. How can I live for You?

*I know all about poison, I know all about fiery darts, I don't care how rough the road is, show me where it starts, Whatever pleases You, tell it to my heart. Well, I don't deserve it but I sure did make it through. What can I do for You?"*

Copyright ©1980 Special Rider Music *Fave verse*

abby girl: "And I hope you're feelin better

Yes I hope you're feelin good

Yes I hope you're feelin better"

"Hope You're Feeling Better" (Santana)

:-D

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Steve

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ron gordon

" catch a cannonball and take me down the line".... robbie signed a strat i won, never played it, didn't want to smudge his name...finally 5 yrs later i plugged it in..its got a killer sound...all the best RG

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dlew919

In all this talk of Dylan.... 'Tears of Rage', or 'This Wheel's on Fire'....

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Lars Pedersen

Subject: Eye witness commentary

I didn't scroll back far enough to see if you guys are really having a bunch of arguments about each other's personality traits. or if you're all just shucking and jiving. I haven't looked in here in a while and I'm pleasantly surprised to see the return of the Norm. Norm's a hard worker, I can vouch for that. I watched him cut up a load of firewood one day when I was visiting him about three years ago. His back was bent and chips were flying off of his chain saw and he was moving so fast I was afraid he was going to drop dead on me. I got out of the cab of the truck and we got his chainsaw going and he looked surprised when he heard the sound of the motor (I'm just kidding, Westie).

Seriously, Norm is a tough old seadog who knows how to work hard. Got a real nice home that he keeps spotless. I don't think he has anything he hasn't earned through his own sweat and determination.

And I still say he's a dead ringer for Perry Como. Actually. I think he really IS Perry Como, but he's too stubborn to admit it. Pat B.- I lost your e-mail. Would you ask Peter for mine and shoot me an e-mail sometime? Peter, TIA. Don't let the bastards get you down.

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Friend0

But, Steve makes a point. It is becoming too coincidental. After referring to Dylan as "greedy swine" ( swine being the poster animal for non kosher food sources) during the Jewish High Holy Days, now this. With my explanation I gave Peter a pass last time, but there is a definite pattern unveiling.

Separately, but related.

Walt, I'm wondering what kind of juice you have. Peter hasn't once told you to fuck off, watch yourself or your posts will get deleted, keep it up and you'll be banned.

Good night folks.

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Joan

Thanks! That's one of my favorite Bobby D songs.

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Friend0

Now back to other matters. I swear you keep it up, the wimmin will be renting Madison Sq Garden and running a benefit for you. And I know you ain't the kind of guy to want needless sympathy or to have other people pay your freight. But I'm a little shocked to hear you are close to the poorhouse. I remember a yacht, a glass bottomed boat, a beautiful house on the lake you been remodeling top to gawd damn bottom, custom staircases & all. and of course the approx 50k truck and the 80k you sunk into the tug. A good gawd damn investment I am sure. Everything you got, you worked hard for, and it's yours, fair and square, and I doubt anyone ever gave you anything you didn't earn. But unles you been floating paper, and you don't seem the type, you should be getting some well deserved custom padded rocking chairs and cuban ceegars. If you crying, you lying, or you been living too high on the gawd damn hog Westo. And you don't strike me as a highbinder who's gonna put a show on with out having the goods. You might be proud of what you've accumulated, and might like displaying those things and bragging on em, but I wouldn't believe you didn't accumulate them honestly, or that you were floating loans to show off. So don't apologize for being well off.

Now back to 1973. I could be wrong but I could swear that you wrote that you and paulie pena had that in common, that you both started projects in 1973 that did not get released till many years later. If you are off a year or afew months, no big deal , but if you were right, about sharing a year with Pena, you still really won't have that in common till you finish that gawd damn cd and get it fer gawd damn sale!

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Peter V

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David P.

A year or so ago, I ran into a guy who used to play bass for Jerry Lee Lewis, in a used-record store of all places. He recounted the infamous tale of how he was lucky to survive after "The Killer" shot him in the chest with a .357 magnum.

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Kevin J

Indeed! Some years later though Chuck did follow it with a right hand to The Killer's face. Oh, the great ol days! Imagine even trying to follow Jerry Lee Lewis at his peak?

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bob w.

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Kevin J

Joan: The above link is for you - "Tangled Up in Blue"

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Joan

Thank you for the details. As I get older, things get a bit "general". Its not senility, I prefer to think of it as the"hard drive" being overloaded with too many years accumulation of knowledge. :-D

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Kevin J

Greed? On my way to the record store HMV where I purchased tell Tale Signs for $22.00, I had a soup and a Tuna sandwich which cost $12.00.........Point is, the value for $22.00 is enormous. Now, record companies that sell 30 yr old product that is long since depreciated and which artists no longer receive royalties at regular rates realy do deserve the scorn they receive.

A nod or a "good show" merits a nod or a thank you. Telling someone about to take a stage to "Try to follow that" as ND is supposed to have done to BD merits the response he got - nothing mean about that!

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abby

Steve - Unofficially it's day 8 - officially it's day 7. It's not official till you start running for the bowl. (and the only time I get really disgusted with myself for not cleaning the bathroom often enough is when I officially get sick)

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rosalind

Glad to see you back.. I was worried about you....

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Peter V

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walt

Peter,you really are a strange bird.Saved was a fine album,musically speaking & Self Portrait is a personal favorite.The boys are fine & yes,i was here under another name in the past.Peter,you are very observant & i am certain it must be fun running all those little internet games you play to determine who is daring to not demonstrate the respect you demand for yourself. Well,guess what--arrogance & pretension,which are your specialties,don't move me,particularly yours given its pseudo-intellectual,meaningless context.And,i'm sure Dylan is pleased to have you as a fan....just another fan who happens to be no smarter or better than anyone else,but yet,who believes he holds the key to all wisdom relating to Dylan & The Band.Calm down,Peter--not many are impressed with a man of careful words who uses "mean" to suggest something else.Perhaps,after all,you are a mean person yourself---you got that right!

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Steve

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Peter V

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Steve

Walt, Peter "is" in the bible. I think he's sitting at the right hand of the guy who sits at the right hand of the guy who inspired the book, but I could be mistaken, I get lots of those old time stories mixed up.

Hey Abby, is this day 6 or day 7 of the 14 day war you're involved in?

Funny how Dylan's singing voice has gone down hill in such a more pronounced way than his talking voice has. His talking voice in No Direction Home sounded quite smooth and this was years after his singing voice had already gone kind of croaky. Maybe, like his Nashville Skyline era, this is part of the act, which would really be quite mean at least where his fans are concerned.

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Peter V

On the other hand, I’d imagine Dylan can be pretty “mean” in the basic American sense of the word, judging by his dealings with interlocutors. But unlike a lot of people, I never expect to like any of these guys, and never imagined for a moment they’d be my pals. Rock musicians and actors are past masters of drawing people into believing that one. I would assume that the three men I admire most, Bob, Robbie and Paul Simon, are all bastards in one way or another. You know what, I reckon I can be too.

BTW, Walt, how are the two boys getting along?

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Joan

Perhaps he is just strongly opinionated. A while ago I read Al Kooper's book. I can't remember all the details, but he tells of being at a party with some guy who managed a well known band. Dylan came up to them. the guy wanted to impress Dylan so he says "I manage 'so and so'. Dylan turns to him and says "I don't tell you my problems"

Hi Norm and Empty Now. Good to hear from you.

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walt

If Peter is careful with his words then he chose mean,not greedy for a reason.But,i care not to delve too deeply into the basic,simple & obvioius meaning of the word "mean".Nor,do i care to analyze a man's words as if he is the writer of the Bible--he is Peter Viney--i assume a simple mortal like the rest of us.If he says "mean" i'll take him at his word that he intends to say "mean"! And,he can be stubborn like the rest of us!

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abby

Subject: i love bob

Don't care what you say (well, actually I DO care what you say - I really do!) - I love Bob. You know what they say - Unless you've walked in a man's shoes....and ain't NOBODY walked in shoes like his..... He sounded pretty mediocre when I saw my first--and only-- Bob Concert, but I loved every minute of it. I think My Morning Jacket (who I think is from my neighborhood, btw) was his backup band. I was right up front - drunk kid beside me who thought I was his mother (I wasn't). It was fun. Husband and I had a 'name that tune' guessing game going. But I'm easily tickled.

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Steve

But if a response to another meaning of mean is what you're looking for then you can't use greedy. Outside of NB* and BUMBLES, as you've discovered, Peter may be the most careful chooser of words here. Me, like most people here, just let'em fly so you can take them at face value. * While NB choses his words carefully they're not buried like IEDs. Of course I might just be looking far too deep for MEANING in Peter's post, I'm in the middle of Sam Harris', The End Of Faith.

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David P.

Shakespeare has played bass with Dylan -- Robbie Shakespeare from Kingston, Jamaica. Along with his partner, drummer Sly Dunbar, they were the one's who handled the driving.

"And my soul cries out for rest"... (from The Cowboy Tune) that westcoaster alluded to.

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westcoaster

Subject: The End is Not in Sight

I was right....bunch a gawd damn crazies. Jeff the song having the line you alluded to is named above. From the Amazing Rythmn Aces...I printed the lyrics to that song here long ago. n/n I am near in the poor house, without getting into world politics, look at the down turn in the world economy. I've toiled all my life and got nothin to show...there's a song there somewhere ain't they?? Angelina, girl, you're gonna have to start singin' me rockin' chair soon. That day is fast approaching. You are the main one who should e mail me...fer I can send you a picture of the "Westcoaster" at work. Many of them here have seen that old tug.. westcoaster at cablerocket dot .. calm.........Maggie's farm.......really. I gots to go.....got a load of heli fuel to move for Heifor Canada. AND JEFF....It ain't no 35 years....I didn't start in 1973......well........not quite anyway.

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David P.

Dylan did give permission to National Public Radio to stream the entire 2-disc version of "Tell Tale Signs" for free, several days in advance of its official release date. In fact, it's still available at the NPR website. So, for those who haven't heard the album yet, you can check it out at no cost, without even having to go to Don Henley's favorite retail outlet, Walmart :-).

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Friend0

Gotta run, have fun folks.

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walt

I appreciate your response to me(better than those who carry that ole high school vibe & won't respond unless you're part of the in group clique!!)& i hear your point,but is the word "mean" that difficult to comprehend? Big Pink may not have been built in a day,but are you comparing Peter's stubbornness with a building?!

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Steve

I'm still waiting for a clarification of, " I'm sorry for the furore my comment about Rick Danko caused". Some people might take that as an apology only about the furore caused , not the actual comment itself. Patience , Walt. Big Pink wasn't built in a day.

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Friend0

Bob, that post of yours about Westo worrying about making his living, well, damn Bob, you gonna scare these women into pooling their pennies and renting Madison Sq Garden to have a benefit for the guy. And I'll be Gawd Damned if i don't figger Westo is working on his infomercial, which we'll all see on TV, how to make million in the tugging business,. If I, Westocaster Jones, could do it, anyone can do it. Just send $39.95 to Westocaster, I'll send you all my secrets and I'll even include a signed ,sealed and delivered Westocaster Jones cd. First pressing, when I complete it. Bound to be worth more then than it is now.

Bob, the man's our friend. He's been telling us all how successful and affluent he is, many ways, and in detail , for a few years now. More power to him. The guy works hard, he's entitled. But unless Westocaster is one of those guys that has enough for a few lifetimes but is always crying about how he's one step from the poor house, you've got him pegged wrong. He cain't be worried about making a living. Maybe he just wants the icing on top of that 7 tiered cake. Seems to me he's proud of how hard he's worked, rightfully so, and very proud of how much he's accumulated. He's told us all about it in detail over the years.

And I think he's gonna give the whole world the chance to learn how to do it too. Pay attention to those infomercials, it's just a matter of time.

Don't go worrying these poor women for no reason Bob.

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Steve

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walt

And,i'm certain Dylan will be very upset that Peter Viney isn't going to anymore of his concerts!

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walt

Peter, you just can't back down,can you? I truly love the way you state your opinions as fact & as all knowing.Can't you see that you are simply a frustrated fan? And,you threw the word "mean" out there,but you stick to your guns leaving gullible readers here to actually believe you know more than others. What arrogance!

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Friend0

Applehead Studios is in Saugerties. A short distance over the line on 212. But, it has a Woodstock Post Office box on purpose, so it carries the aura of being in Woodstock. Business cards, advertising, envelopes, all say Woodstock, etc, etc. But if you ship something there, like recording tape, you damn well better put Saugerties in the address when you ship directly there. If you mail to the PO Box, and use Woodsotck, it will get there. Ship, different.

This friend of mine I mentioned earlier has been wanting to make a record for 19 years I know him. but he still ain't started. Not a note on tape or harddrive. Once he starts, he'll probably knock it out in two, three days in the studio, then a mix, two days etc. It's all in the preparation. You have to have a clear vision. Plus, all this time, he' been talking about it, his singing voice been improving. This guy is pretty sly, so I'm guessing he's waiting till he figures his voice can't get no better, then goes straight into the studio.

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dlew919

Subject: Did I say fact?

Steve - to whom did I compare Dylan? those paragons of factual storytelling. But there' s a lot of truth in it, if not much fact...

And is that my old friend Empty Now? Mirabile dictu!

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Steve

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Empty Now

Subject: Translation as promised (6 months ago) Welfi Meriem

the official title of the linked song is "Welfi Meriem (My acquaintance with the muse), the song is sometimes referred as "Hal Sheikh" (to be a songwriter), and popularly known as "baadminessaa" (a part of the hour) - version of Cheikh Al Ghafour
this song was written in 1885 by a Sufi saint from Nedroma, Sidi Kaddour Benachour Al Idrissi Ezerhouni 1850-1938), who was also a knight companion of Abdelqadir during his war of resistance against the French

- my effort of translation of a part of the lyrics -

4:25
baadminessaa yekun Rais bahr emdalem / rakeb taba kaymouj fouq zekhar ghamu / kol yom kayghit safelin wimenaa leghsham
baadminessaa yekun farass rakeb ladhem / fiminu shemlal albarn felwahsh izamu / seyad leghzal wel gata wel hemam wemam
baadminessaa yekun Pasha taghi qayem / ye amar aala raaytu teraad behkamu / qalbou qaci mayrit hesham oula zemam
baadminessaa yekun kassekran meghayem / matesmaa manu jawab sultan shed ahkamu / bidu qaws unabel men leqah yeradu besham
baadminessaa yekun kalmajnun yekhassam / yetfaten maa hawayju wiqataa fekmamu / yesfar wyedbal sirtu kaderiyet Ham
baadminessaa yekun sahi bassat naaem / metsali belfad rayqou saher daj menamu / benqut lutar yestled mehassen lengham
baadminessaa yekun taleb yensakh alem / belmajmou welqalem wel ketub min Allah telhamu / aalmu min aaqlu meretlu femaani wehkam
hada hal sheikh yal hafed tebet wajzem....

(a part of the hour he can be Captain riding a frigate on an offshore storm, helping everyday castaways and saving dissatisfied people
a part of the hour he can be a dancing shuffler walking on the stones, giving some money even to the wanderring tramps he meets
a part of the hour he can be authoritarian Pasha, casting orders as everybody fear his opinion, his bitter heart knows no shame nor regrets
a part of the hour he can be drunkard in a gloom, saying nothing and keeping his opinions, a bow in his mouth answers you with arrows
a part of the hour he can be furious madman, disagreeing with his own clothes and tearing his sleeves, flushing, reddening or going pale, behaving as the children of Ham
a part of the hour he can be serene staying up late at night, enjoying the sound of his own voice, the notes of his strings achieving the beauty of the harmony
a part of the hour he can be student transcribing a scholar, collecting tons of pens in books of divine inspiration, expressing thoughts of his own in clearly structured verses
all what a songwriter is in reality, fix your knowledge listeners...)

[---]


6:53
Ahefadi khud tabai waad wetfekhem / qol Allah yerham saheb elwejd refedet aalamu / Kaddour al Mansour ben el Bejai sheikhu Lehmam
Nedromi assal metassel fiha metrassem / Drissi Achouri ould Ras Al Ain men zemamu / Allah yerhamni ouyerham el hafed wel Islam
Khud tarikh mia ou miyatin wel alef atem / wel khamse wel ashr senin had tarjem bekmalu / eshar Dul Hija aala kemalu khud el khitam

My listeners take care of my lyrics and be proud of it, say God protects their author as you caught his references, Kaddour al Mansour ben el Bejai disciple of Lehmam
From Nedroma, of the pure lineage of Drissi Achouri, here he lived long time son of Ras Al Ain, God protects me and protects the listener and Islam
Remember the date 100 and 200 the 1000 completed, in the entire month of Dul Hija, this is the end of the song

^^^^ ^^

Chorus :
Anaya fehmak qolt liha welfi meriem / arkhi behali yalbahia yetkhafef seqamu / mendik enadra el bashra hayini beslam
( I told you my acquaintance with the muse, when she looks at my state in direct sight, and she salutes me with peace )


... with JRR on my mind

Thanks Rosalind (11 Oct)

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brown eyed girl

Artist: Robbie ROBERTSON File name: FC1002_Robbie_ROBERTSON Photographer: FIN COSTELLO Date: ../10/1991 Location: SEVILLE, SPAIN Caption: performing live onstage at Guitar Legends concert Credits: Fin Costello/Redferns/MUSICPICTURES.COM

I already told you Westcoaster...

I ain't gonna work on Westie's tug boat no more. No, I ain't gonna work on Westie's tug boat no more. Well, I try my best To be just like I am, But he wants me To be just like him. He says sing while you slave and I just get bored. I ain't gonna work on Westie's tug boat no more. ;-D

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dlew919

Subject: The one and only Norm, the westcoaster!

Seconded Bob W., seconded Fred, and of course Seconded Jeff

Great to see you back, mate.

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brown eyed girl

A Rock & Roll Trinity: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost Bob Dylan, Neil Young & Eric Clapton, Madison Square Garden, New York City - 1992 Master & Disciple Jammin' with Neil

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brown eyed girl

Good Morning Joan... :-D Four years can make a lot of difference.....

Friday, October 24, 2008 Archives HAVENS; Woodstock Rocks On, but the Beat Is Quieter By DENNY LEE Published: February 27, 2004

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Peter V

Both Simon and Taylor can still hit every note. While Dylan’s band the last twice was first rate, Simon and Taylor both had better bands than Dylan … because there were more of them on stage for a start, with more complex arrangements, and a way better sound mix. Once Dylan had Jim Keltner (allegedly he’d overheard the previous drummer taking the piss out of his guitar playing, sacked him on the spot and had to fly Keltner in for a few gigs … so I was lucky), but Paul Simon and James Taylor both had Steve Gadd. To any observer they’re of equal stature. Both Simon and Taylor did longer shows too.

Next month Leonard Cohen will be at the same venue, all seated in spite of the huge demand in Europe for tickets. I saw Cohen in the summer and he had the best sound mix I’ve ever heard in a big venue. Paul Simon, in the You’re The One tour, is supposed to have had a team with musicians test every venue months in advance and program the mixing desk accordingly. The sound was crystal clear on every instrument.

I’ve seen a Dylan piano show as well as a guitar show in the last few years. I prefer the piano because it stops those interminable very similar solos. I won’t go to another Dylan show though. Yes, his recorded voice is very effective and affecting on recent work.

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rosalind

Good Song!

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Fred

there is no such a person as Westcoaster...he's just a figment of Yukihiko Nakagawa's imagination : ) nice to hear from you Norm.

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bob w.

Good to see you here.

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Friend0

Westo, I wasn't wrong, i was right. You'd never rant, rave, curse at, or insult Peter. It's no secret. I (guess) I knew it all along. But I kinda figgered we could all hear you say it. Thanks for obliging. Who said I Guess I Knew It All Along first Westo? No googling now. On your canadian cowboy honor,on your mark, get set, go.

BTW, I hope you didn't, nah, a shrewd hand like you wouldn't tell Mr Yukihiko Nakagawa you been working on a recording for 35 years. Tugging might be slow & steady, but 35 years would sure as hell scare any big customer. Eureka! Westo. You maybe done struck gold, hooked that big fat fish.

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JQ

So far so good, we're walking maniacs. The weather is superb, eh? The park is great and we made an evening out of it last night at Swifts, my favorite Irish pub here for the past decade or so. That was after a fine Indian dinner at Ghandi in the E Village. More later Welcome bast Westcoaster!

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westcoaster

Subject: All the soft women & all the hard places to fall

What a bunch a gawd damn crazies! I've come home resently, and received a quite a few e mails from friends here, who are "nozy", and just want to know what I'm doing. (just kidding).

I'm very busy, (unfortunately, NO I haven't gotten a chance to get back to the studio yet.) I'm fairly pissed off about that too.

I hope everyone is well, and happy. I surely am. I am involved in some projects, that will end my career just right when I retire, (in a year or two now).

I was to a meeting the other night, with some "heavy weights" including a man from the J-A-pan company, President of one of the world HUGE companies. His name? Yukihiko Nakagawa, Electric Power Development Co.

The project is to put one of those windmill farms for hydro power up on the plateau at Holberg on the top end of this Island. I'm sure even people like Jan Hoiberg may know this exercise, as the biggest one I believe, is at sea outside of Denmark.

I am contracted to move all the propellors, and equipment with my tug and barge from Vancouver to Port Hardy. This is a 400 million dollar project. I might as well get my share huh?

I will finish my recording, and I will let you know when it is done this year, so that those with some interest can get a listen.

Jeff you're wrong, (I just had a few minutes to read a few posts). I wouldn't swear and curse at Peter, he's an intelligent educated man, with SOME sensible tastes in music.

However, I will say this, where Bob Dylan is concerned. If you watched, "No Direction Home" Bob has a great sense of humour, (especially as a young guy). Maybe we all get a little cranky in our old age, and in particular after listening to a lot of ignorant comments from a lot of crazy people.

But there is not a lot of songs that I ever enjoyed Bob's vocals on, over all these years. There are a few that are timeless, and very meaningful with lyrics that were relateable. (Even Roger McGuinn made the statement, "I've always had a hard time understanding Bob's songs".)

But for me, at the "Concert for Bangladesh" in MSG, that George arranged, with one of the BEST EVER lineup of musicians. When Bob Dylan came on stage, and started singing, "Blowin' In the Wind", and "Tambourine Man". That is one time, I'd loved to have been there. Just as I said, with the BAND. It don't get any better.

I don't think we'll see the likes of George Harrison again in along while, and I miss him, God rest his soul.

I'll stop in when I can........to those of you who showed your concern......THANKYOU.........Norm

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Tony ~ Levon Helm Studios

Catch the interview with Levon on WDST Radio Woodstock, Friday October 24th between 7:15am and 8:15am. EST Click the Web Page link above to Listen Live.

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Friend0

second half of the 80s, a few shows i saw with GE Smith era dylan, absofuckinglutely incredible. and he sang great

JQ, Russ & Daughter's Appetizing, Houston Street. Breakfast tonmorrow,. Get some chubs, some baked salmon, or pickled , or lake sturgeon to die for, some cream cheese, bagels, take it back to your romm, or to washington sq or central park, have a party

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Friend0

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Friend0

I mean he did eqaute Dylan with Shakespeare.

Peter aboslutely adores Don Henley, yet he hasn't compared Henley to nary a single playwright, poet or author.

And don't forget Madonna.

He hasn't compared Madonna to Streisand, Marilyn Monroe, or Aretha Franklin.

So maybe, just maybe we should consider giving Peter a pass on this one.

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JQ

eh Peter? The times I've seen him in the last decade his voice has been completely unintelligible and that seemed to be unrelated to a sound-system issue as it's been the same raspy nothingness for 3 or 4 shows since '90. But I disagree with the broad negative sweep negative about his singing recently: his recorded voice on Love & Theft, Modern Times & Tell, Tale Signs is in excellent form in my opinion.

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dlew919

I genuinely believe Chronicles is one of the key American books of the last few years. If the Nobel Prize committee gave out the Prize to Americans, surely Dylan nailed it with that (on top of his lyrics and influence.) I speak not as a Dylan freak, of course, but as one who has recently come to appreciate dylan...

It was Faulkner, Hammett, chandler, Moby Dick, Salinger, Runyon, Guthrie, Wolfe, Hunter S Thompson and more besides. All at once, often in the same sentence, and as often as not, re-reading brought out different American sources.

Great book.

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John Hayes

Subject: Best band in the land

I still listen to their music regularly. Fantastic

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bob w.

Happy Birthday, Stranger!

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Friend0

I think you handled it very maturely Walt. But then again, Walt is a mature name.

I've seen Dylan do some great stuff on the guitar. I may not have seen Dylan live since 2000 or 2001, in St Louis, that tour he did with Paul Simon, Larry Campbell had just joined the band . His singing was almost excellent when it wasn't excellent. I saw a pile of Dylan shows in the 90s, and he was always great. Once standing in sone place in Midtwon manhattan, the just recently popular Cheryl Crow opening, another at Jones Beach, with Santana, i had 4th row seats and aside from his great singing, and some cool lead runs, the faces he made just cracked us up. another time in a tent, also close to the stage, in upstate NY, east of the hudson, in 94. Absolutely incredible show, great singing. there were others, all these come to mind fast.

I wouldn't know a damn thing abut his personality. But i;ll say it again, the beauty & greatness of an artist's work, comes from someplace. It has to be there somewhere. My guess would be that Dylan is probably a really funny & nice guy when he's with people he knows well and or cares for. Intelligent? clearly a genius.

If Westocaster Jones, were here he'd probably rant & rave at Peter, insult him, curse him, call him names, and tell him that Bob Dylan doesn't care what Peter thinks of him, his singing, or his guitar playing. Well,maye not, it is Peter,.

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Simon

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walt

Why spread bad word at all? Our words can be used for good,or to wound.Why bother with aimless wounding?

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Simon

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walt

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Jan F.

J.F.

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Kevin J

Dlew: Not sure that I said anything about the authenticity of the Great Man's voice but I would encourage all young musicians to read "Chonicles I" to understand just how meticulously Dylan educated himself with literature and music from all era's and how that eventually formed an incredibly secure and authentic musician.

And Peter - he doesn't play the instument anymore, can be a great singer still and when your driving around playing "Born in Time" at full volume - ask yourself how a mean man could make you feel so good. Dying and leaving your fortune to a dog is mean......Not playing Band songs on your radio show is just quirky - not mean!

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walt

While it's simply a matter of taste & personal opinion(& opinions are like a#$holes--everyone has one) regarding Dylan's current voice & his electric playing & i disagree with Peter from the vantage point of spending considerable rehearsal time & hearing lots of his electric playing--i was a gofer for Dylan through the rehearsal studio he used in the 80's) But,yet,that is still a matter of how one hears & incorporates the music into their system & your opinion on his guitar playing has equal validity to mine. NOW,as for Dylan's "meanness" you speak of,you'd need more evidence than books,magazines & newspapers since gossip rags won't do here.Has Dylan done some real mean stuff--i'm sure he has. Have YOU? Have I? Haven't all of us been mean or hurtful in our perfect lives? Peter,do you know Bob? Are you an intimate friend? i worked for a number of years & got to see the man & i hate to shock you but his interaction with the few non musicians in the studio over the years was good,me included--& i was a total nobody there--Bob went from 2 weeks of quiet & wariness(who could blame him?!),to 2 weeks of being polite,but brief--as time went on & he saw he wasn't getting used by us he was,in fact,very decent,funny & a good person... So,Peter,unless you know Bob--& i ain't saying i do--let's even it out--YOU ARE A FAN. I AM A FAN. WE BOTH KNOW NOTHING OTHER THAN WHAT WE SEE & ARE PART OF AND NEITHER OF US CAN SAY HE IS MEAN OR NICE OR WHATEVER.....PERHAPS,YOU MIGHT CONSIDER REFRAINING FROM JUDGEMENT & PARTICULARLY FROM SPREADING A MEAN WORD ABOUT SOMEONE WHO I GOTTA BELIEVE AIN'T YOUR INTIMATE. sorry for shouting,but man,that was just crazy gossip stuff--uncalled for--Bob is human too & while certain he doesn't read this crap,i feel a sense of loyalty to him for all his music has done for me over the years.Please,show a modicum of respect & don't expose your ignorance.Peter,i have to believe that as a decent man you will retract that part about meanness--leave the electric guitar & current singing comment,given it's possible you are an expert in guitar playing & singing & have performed for years....Man,show some respect,please!

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Joan

I live and have worked in the NYC Metro area. I have spent a great deal of time in Manhattan proper. When in midtown, I would often see people struggling with maps. I always try to stop and offer help. It is often conducted in pidgin English and sign language, but it gets the job done.I feel that I am simply returning the favors I've been shown when I have traveled.

Also, it had led to one of my favorite moments. Someone actually asked me how to get to Carnegie Hall, and I got to answer "Practice, practice,practice!!

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Peter V

Bill, OK, Bacon drove Shakespeare to the library once and waited while he researched Richard III. Bacon insisted on all due deference to Henry Tudor, Earl of Richmond, and got it. And the Earl of Southampton was in the room when he wrote Twelfth Night. But the Earl's writing credits since have been between meagre and zero.

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dlew919

Welcome back!

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Bill M

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Peter V

I believe that Bob Dylan is the greatest artist of the 20th century.

Sadly, he's an absolutely crap electric guitarist, a poor singer nowadays and a mean bastard.

But then again, Shakespeare wasn't noted for his ability to play solos on the lute, nor generosity, nor singing voice. I equate them.

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Simon

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walt

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walt

Is it simply a part of internet culture to parse every word & hidden meaning in a person's posts or is it a thing us Dylan/Band lovers tend to do? Well,as Dylan might very well feel about all the over pseudo-intellectualization of his lyrics(most horribly reflected in the strangely prolific nature of all the Dylan courses on college campuses),in my best imitation..."sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". So,my meaningless words merit no analysis--it's all easy to see & let it be,as is.That's for my nonsense....as for Bob,his words(& let's not neglect the outstanding & innovative music),tend to be prophetic genius.....but,he may still not appreciate all these folks,whether college professors or winos,who seem to understand his every word,its intent,& nuance.

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David P.

"Blood On The Tracks", giving new meaning to the term double-tracking, is yet another interesting example of Dylan's recording process. He first recorded the album in New York with one group of musicians and later, after listening to the test pressing, decided to re-record most of the tracks with another group of musicians in Minneapolis.

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RTO ("Rob the Organ")

Subject: Hello?

So this is where you've all been hiding, then?

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Deb

There have been numerous efforts over the years to mark the final resting places of bluesmen who were buried in unmarked graves (Robert Johnson has three, in different places). "Musical necrophilliacs" like John Fogerty, Bonnie Raitt, Dick Waterman, and Charlie Musslewhite have helped raise funds to mark the graves of Charley Patton, Mississippi Fred McDowell, Lonnie Pitchford, Son Thomas, Memphis Minnie, Sam Chatmon, Big Joe Williams and others I can't recall just now.

I guess one's opinion of the practice depends on how you feel about visiting graves in general, but many people do feel that need to pay their respect to an admired artist if they have the opportunity.

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Joan

Another morning passing by as I sit and read and listen to your posts. I'm not complaining, I'm just saying.. :-D

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Bill M

BEG: The trailer before "The Battle in Seattle", which we saw yesterday, was a music doc titled "Made in Jamaica". Lots of Toots, it seemed, and certainly much mention of Marley. The TBIS movie is, by the way, pretty much in line with what it was like on the ground at the time (aside from the human-interest subplots, which I would know nothing about).

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Jan F.

I do know that Claire and Abby did drink the entire bottle of wine that JG sent us in Woodstock. I was the designated driver that weekend, so I got to take the Grand Marnier home, which I drank in the privacy of my own home. It was yummy.

Don't remember any kissing of road signs, but Claire may have kissed the ground when she got out of my car at Big Pink b/c of my driving on those mountain roads!

J.F.

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Steve

At least that's what I'm calling your completely toneless/one huge paragraph, holding your breath while typing , taking both sides, post to Walt.

That post was wonderful, it was like watching one person playing tennis. THWACK, run to the other side of the net, THWACK, run back to the other side of the net, THWACK..........

NB I had you pegged as a member of that little University College just down the road but I'm now guessing " The Member From Kicking Horse Pass".

PS If you read the posting instructions you'll see how to divide up those endless paragraphs.

While listening to Dylan's Blood On The Tracks the other day I was struck by how much one song, Meet Me In The Morning, sounded like Time Out Of Mind era Dylan. Except for the smoother, sweeter 70's Dylan voice. It certainly would have fit nicely between Dirt Road Blues and Standing in The Doorway.

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brown eyed girl

...and I would have included this cut with The Band because of the lyrics and Robbie's guitar playing!

(November 2, 1973) Planet Waves outtake

Bootleg Series Vol. 2 - 17 Nobody 'Cept You

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brown eyed girl

I prefer Dylan's "Someone's Got A Hold Of My Heart" outtake from Bootleg Series Vol. 3 then "Tight Connection To My Heart (Has Anybody Seen My Love)" which was recorded on Empire Burlesque (1985).

I dig Dylan because of his idiosyncratic phrasing and singing. The very first time I heard "Like A Rolling Stone" on the radio........I was hit with so much power and awakening. I thought yes.....he's singing about alienation.....he's singing about feeeeeeling it......yes!

Someone's Got A Hold Of My Heart

They say "Drink and be merry, Take the bull by the horns." I keep seeing visions of you, a lily among thorns Everything looks a little far away to me

Gettin' harder and harder to recognize the trap Too much information about nothin' Too much educated rap It's just like you told me, just like you said it would be

The moon rising like wildfire I feel the breath of a storm Something I got to do tonight You go inside and stay warm

Someone's got a hold of my heart Someone's got a hold of my heart Someone's got a hold of my heart You- Yeah, you got a hold of my heart

Just got back from a city of powder blue skies Everybody thinks with their stomach There's plenty of spies Every street is crooked, they just wind around till they disappear

Madame Butterfly, she lulls me to sleep Like an ancient river So wide and deep She said, "Be easy, baby, ain't nothin' worth stealin' here"

You're the one I've been waitin' for You're the one I desire But you must first realize I'm not another man for hire

Someone's got a hold of my heart Someone's got a hold of my heart Someone's got a hold of my heart You, you, you, you Yeah, you got a hold of my heart

I hear the hot-blooded singer On the bandstand croon September Song, Memphis in June While they're beating the devil out of a guy who's wearing a flaming red wig

I been to Babylon I gotta confess I can still hear that voice crying in the wilderness What looks large from a distance, close up is never that big Never could learn to drink that blood and call it wine Never could learn to look at your face and call it mine.

Someone's got a hold of my heart Someone's got a hold of my heart Someone's got a hold of my heart You- Yeah, you got a hold of my heart

Copyright ©1983 Special Rider Music

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brown eyed girl

....and for those of you who missed this one too. COLUMN FORTY-EIGHT, AUGUST 1, 1999 (Copyright (c) 1999 Al Aronowitz)

MY DYLAN PAPERS: PART 1---THE WOODSTOCK FESTIVAL

[History will remember Bob Dylan as the Shakespeare of his era.

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brown eyed girl

I agree with Robbie. When you listen to Rick sing you feel right at home.....missing what you used to have and took for granted....

"Still, several sublime, all-but-forgotten moments from late in their career bring The Band's story full circle. One, "Home Cookin'," a straightforward plea for the comforts of home (and simpler times), "was a lovely surprise," reflects Mr. Robertson, "and it just kinda warmed my heart to hear Rick's singing on that. It's so charming. It's just nice that some of these behind-the-scenes things are captured in this set, too."

Jesse Winchester sang about twigs and seeds but here's an article about.....

Roots and Seeds: Robbie Robertson Digs Into the Archives By LUKE TORN November 15, 2005

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Peter V

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Fred

definitely do gophers with big heads & cute, big eyes....you'll be assured success in the Land of the Rising Sun....dare I say it...you'll be...big in Japan. : )

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Peter V

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dlew919

I don't think you can top those poker playing dogs, but i'm willing to see ;-)

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Joan

Will there be posters available? Framed and unframed?

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abby

Amazing. I can't find that video. But I did find one that I took in my private room at the Twin Gables(?). IN the video I'm whispering - not sure if that's because it's 5:30 a.m. or if I think I'm on a secret mission -- anyway as I pan the room I see in the corner a half empty bottle (and I'm talking gallon-like bottle) of rum. That just about sums it all up, doesn't it?

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abby

Hmmm. I'll have to look up that video again and see what it was that you were actually doing:) I guess I have wildly imaginative memory banks. When I've finally gone completely senile there's no telling what kind of past I'll have lived. Oh, I can't wait!!

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Claire

I did WHAT? I think you must have had some of the Grand Marnier that Jersey Girl sent to our B&B. We did have fun though, didn't we? BTW, thanks for "youthenizing" me.

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Northern Boy

As hard as it would be to surpass the earlier blockbuster artistic and financial success I encountered with "Cat Chasing A Ball of Wool", I think I've got a real winner on my easel at the moment. It's called "Gopher Wedding Outside of Estevan" with the bride, the groom and the entire gopher wedding party in formal attire. It's set on the prairie with of course the majestic, cosmopolitan Estevan skyline in the background. It's such a poignant piece of art, I think even Norm would get teary-eyed. And once I find a way to work in Rambo, it'll literally have something for everyone. How many copies can I put you down for Steve ? Jeffo ? Others ? (Oh crap, did I just accidentally advertise and now owe Jan $1,000 ? Oh, crap, crap, crap !)

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Friend0

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dlew919

Just a quick history of mine re: Dylan, in an attempt to work out 'does dylan leave his best stuff off his albums'...

It's an interesting question. For many years, I wondered at the Dylan cult. After all, he sings 'out of tune', he often plays 'the wrong harmonica (a B when the song is in A, et cetera..)', his phrasing is unconventional. Stay with me here.

I started mellowing to dylan when I heard The Band. With the help of some friends (including some Dankettes online), I dug out 'blonde on blonde' and 'john wesley harding'.

there's still a lot I don't like about Dylan: I don't think I'll ever liek 'Rainy Day Women #24.' (I acknowledge, however, that it is some people's favourite.) The song that turned me around is 'Stuck inside of Mobile with the memphis blues again/ (or instead? I'm not a Dylan expert...)'. It has all the things I don't like about Dylan, yet it works wonderfully.

someone on little pink (Kevin J?) once posted that Dylan had a really authentic voice - you needed a deep knowledge of the music to appreciate where he was coming from.

I think coming to Dylan late has helped me understand him better. As a lyricist, I think Joan Baez expressed it best when she described Dylan telling her htat he doesn't mean anything when he wrties - he just looks for words that sound good. Yet 'Forever Young' is, to me, as beautiful a prayer as any you'll find...

I found it hard to disagree with the contention that we forget the initial impression that the songs made on us, after we've heard them hundreds of times...

None of this makes sense, I guess. Call it my attempt to channel Dylan in prose.

The other thing I really like about Dylan is that 'Bob dylan' is a fictional character, so he can make up the past, et cetera. This separation must have helped him keep his sanity at certain points.

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Northern Boy

Your two posts in total did leave me with the impression, mistakenly, that you personally felt visitors to your wonderful town who were there seeking pop culture weren't focusing enough on other apects of your town/area. Thank you for correcting me on this score. In your first post (Tues) you mentioned how the constant questioning got under some townspeople's skins. Your very next point was the prescriptive idea that tourists should get out and look and listen carefully to the fine music hidden in the streams, etc. . As you didn't express this as the view of other Woodstock residents, I took it to be your view and hence that you thought visitors weren't doing proper justice to the many other wonderful facets of your town. While regretable for them if they do, I still maintain that it's the visitor's perogative to decide if their visit to a given location has merely a single focus. I see tourists to my town, province and country as my guests so as such I don't try to change their focus/interests -certainly not to spare myself repetitive questions. (And you Walt, weren't doing that here in the GB either, contrary to my impression). I merely try to assist them in their investigations, be what they may. Note I did not use your name nor the word "you" in my sentence re: presumptuousness as I was fully aware that you were (at times) in your posts giving your own views and at other times merely stating some of the prevailing views in Woodstock. I did enjoy all that you had to say about a very special place that I certainly plan to revisit. I do try not to offend in this toneless medium and but have clearly failed on this occasion. I meant to take exception to a view/position, not to come across as judging anyone on the basis of a mere two posts. Hopefully I'm not quite that presumptuous, although I'm probably at least as presumptuous as the next guy (except Steve, of course). Anyway Walt, the only people I badger here are those who repeatedly badger others. Kind of like Dexter, a serial- killer of serial-killers if you will. Otherwise, "I Don't Mean Nobody No Harm" as the song says.

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Steve

From ATGD; Curiously enough , given that it remains probably The Band's most famous song- covered by everyone from Aretha Franklin to The Temptations to The Supremes--'The Weight' was recorded only as an afterthought for Big Pink. " The Weight" was, like, "OK, this doesn't have a very complicated chord progression, it's just kind of traditional, so we'll cut that when we get stuck for a song," 'recalled Robbie.

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walt

thanks for the link...love the timbre & the words of Mr. Hudson.

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walt

good point,thanks.

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brown eyed girl

Thanks Pat for the review of Garth in Vienna....but that's it? Huh, huh?

EURO LIKE ME AN AMERICAN-AUSTRIAN-ETHIOPIAN-NIGERIAN FAMILY IN VIENNA WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2008 nice work, part 2

"Well, yes, that was pretty fucking fun.

Garth Hudson wore black. Black pants, black shirt, black gaucho cowboy hat. Black bomber jacket with "Los Lobos" on the back and "Garth" embroidered on the lapel. He still has long hair and the beard. Says he shaved once. In 1973.

He told me about McKinney's Cotton Pickers, Charles Brown, Sonny Boy Williamson. About playing in bars with chicken wire in front of the stage. He talked about the jazz pianist Art Tatum as if he was an infinitely mysterious alien force.

He even talked about Bob Dylan a bit. He said Dylan worked an Olivetti typewriter like a jazz player taking a solo. He told me that he and Dylan used an Ampex tape recorder to make the Basement Tapes.

He told me about The Band, his band. He said the great and tragic Richard Manuel was the finest "energy" piano player he ever saw, and that Manuel's favorite sandwich was whole grain bread, a sweet red onion, and peanut butter. And he said The Band liked to play "the kind of music that could be performed by guys who wanted to be young forever."

What is it about talking to musicians and hearing stories about the making of great albums that still punches my ticket? I'll probably never know...."

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Plochmann Lane

Subject: Rick's grave.

Joan & Jack - the grave has changed a bit. There are two separate stones as Eli's has been in place for a while & about 1-2 yrs ago a similar stone w/ Rick's name was laid next to it. Checkout our blog (link above) & click on the "Rick Danko" posts @ the right of our blog to get directions to the cemetary, to their graves & grave stones next to their's as markers. They are not terrifically easy to find.

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Kevin J

Walt: An interesting observation on how just hearing a different arrangement or a song left off can automatically lead some to proclaim its superiority. My take is this: Some stunning songs were left off albums for reasons that are hard to fathom. These songs were clearly better than some of the stuff that made the cut - though not necessarily better than the best songs on the albums that we all know and love. As to the rearrangements - my opinion is that Dylan made the right choice 95% of the time as to what made the final cut.

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brown eyed girl

Chopping Block: Bob Dylan & The Band Posted by Chris Clancy on July 13, 2008

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brown eyed girl

OhJeffoh! Here's the show green eyed girl, Cobi (who posted here at one time) and I attended. The Johnnie Johnson with The Weber Brothers. May 15, 2004. :-D

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David P.

Peter: Come to think of it, one can overboard too trying to track down the various versions of "Blonde On Blonde", which have been officially released over the years, that feature different mixes.

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David P.

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walt

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Peter V

Walt, I'm a continuous replays person. There are several tracks that i just repeat again and again … I reckon the day I groan "Oh, not again!" to Visions of Johanna is the day they'll take me away.

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walt

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Peter V

Kevin J … thank you, but that’s really depressed me! My memory is getting shot. It used to be dreadful on people’s names, but good on music. No wonder Born in Time sounded familiar. So why does Tell Tale Signs list it as an Oh, Mercy outtake? But the Tell Tale signs version IS better.

It is a cliché that Dylan is the worst judge of his own material …andBlind Willie McTell seals the argument. Red River Shore is a classic. There are several worse tracks on Time Out of Mind.

I think he was more assured on his choices earlier … listening to the Highway 61 Revisited / Blonde on Blonde outtakes, I reckon he chose the right songs back then. When you’re that prolific, I guess you forget stuff easily.

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Kevin J

Bootleg Series Vols 1-3: Simply the best "outtakes" work ever released - in fact no other artist or band is even on the list. To David's P's point about revisiting original works after seeing what was also recorded during a session. 'Every Grain of Sand" would lead you to disappointment by checking out "Shot Of Love" while "Foot of Pride" or "Blind Willie McTell" would lead to great satisfaction by listeniing to 'Infidels" - Dylan's best work during the last 25 years of the 20th century.

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walt

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Kevin J

Subject: Marvin Gaye

The above link is just another example of how great Marvin Gaye truly was. An Anthem turned to magic on that one night.

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Joan

Photo" Yes Jack you are right. You can see a photo of it on his niece Danielle's Myspace Rick site.

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David P.

Listening to the songs on "Tell Tale Signs" has led me on the path to revisit the original albums from which the session material was sourced. The only clue I can gather as to why Dylan often omits some of his better work from the official releases is that he keeps reworking many of his songs, trying to find an arrangement that works best.

Last week I found a new sealed copy of the hybrid-SACD version of "Love and Theft" on sale for $8.99 at a Barnes & Noble store near Georgia Tech.

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Jack

Joan the picture of Rick's grave is no longer viable. It is in the same spot of course; but now two names are on the same stone. Rick and son Eli and I believe it is now a flat stone.

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Peter V

You know when you get that thing about a track … where you have to keep playing it over and over. i picked up the bug with "Born in Time" from Tell Tale Signs yesterday. It's a deceptively gentle song, but you really have to play it loud to work. Melodically it fits the Street Legal era to me.

So why does Bob Dylan fail to put his best songs on his albums? Beats me.

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Friend0

Fr a good perspective on visiting a gravesite, reference the two songs by former woodstock area resident Geoff Muldaur. Got To Find Blind Lemon, parts 1 &2, might be the names of the songs. I have Password, which has one part. It's about visiting the grave of Blind Lemon Jefferson, who has several famous songs, one of them titled, see That My Grave Is Kept Clean.

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walt

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Joan

Subject: Finding Big Pink

Photo directions from Jan's site

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Joan

Subject: Rick's grave

I posted this recently. How to find Rick's grave. This removes the necessity of asking for directions. I also believe the directions to Big Pink are on Jan's site.

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stabbio

Oh, Walt – we bothered no one. And I spent quite a bit of money while I was there in old Woodstock. The majority of people were probably glad to have me there. And I am as decent a person as anyone. Trust me. I’m too decent most of the time. A little indecency might do me some good.

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ABBY

Subject: WOODSTOCK

Yeah, my excitement came from within, Bama. And you’d already been there several times before….wasn’t the same for you. ---I stayed in that little tiny single room in the Green Gables (whatever it was called – Twin Gables?) I recall being up half the night – like a kid on xmas eve – I couldn’t sleep. I was so excited and delighted. I’ve still got and still watch that video of Claire kissing that mailbox on Stoll….and my (very silly step by step commentary) . Not sure how accurate my memory of all this is -- I just know I was as excited as hell to be at Big Pink. Heck, I’m pretty sure sure I saw Rick standing in the upstairs bedroom window! Nothing else in my lifetime has brought back that feeling of being 12 yrs old and staring at that big pink house on that album cover and wondering…wondering what it was like -- as that trip to Big Pink and Woodstock did. Well, maybe visiting Jr’s farm and standing where the Next of Kin stood and listening to ol’ Jr. talk about his little brother was a very, very , very close second…. Hey, Nirvana is in the mind of the beholder, right? thanks for the empathy, Jean. I do believe we’re talking about that same 14 day misery

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Kevin J

The last few weeks of this GB have been about the best it has been in a few years. Great music discussion and really thoughful pieces about Woodstock.

Guitar Player: The new GP with Santana on the cover is a great edition. A transcendent interview with Carlos ( I know he can get a bit hippy dippy at times but trust me on this one - it is one of the great interviews that I have ever read ), a piece on Lindsey Buckingham and just a great profile of the late great Mick Ronson.

Roger Waters: Always really liked him and nice to see a quote like that.

Kings of Leon: Listened to their new album while on a long drive - sounded very good. Funny - also listened to Blonde on Blonde and realized all these years later that only 2 songs I wanted to listen to again. Love and Theft on the other hand - I can play over and over and enjoy every track.

Peter V: Not sure if you have seen it but there is a pretty good documentary on Long John Baldry which features some video of Rod Stewart in his band from that era.

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Steve

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Steve

I may be heading out soon to look for the grave of Virgil Caine's unnamed brother. Mud below my feet ain't much to go on, Map Quest, as usual, has been no help. Can anybody draw a bead on the place for me?

Friend0, herring should always be planted head down with just the tip of the tail protruding through the soil. Remember these are schooling fish. If they get their heads above ground they see each other and you end up with a herring pile instead of that nice herring row.

Walt, don't take Northern Boy too seriously. Remember, he's just a boy, and boys will be boys.

I have some of his early(1985 to 90) works of art. I can honestly say NB is an artist who stays within the lines, most of the time. A copy of his piece de resistance from that period, the commercially successful, 200 copies sold, paint by numbers, Craft Master " Cat Chasing a Ball Of Wool", hangs proudly in our calving barn. The barn cats love it.

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walt

If you didn't care maybe you should reconsider--why would you NOT care? Wouldn't any decent person care if they upset someone? Or,do our own needs permit us to blow someone off & not care?

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Jan F.

Obviously, I should have no other comment on Woodstock since I started this by answering JQ's innocent post/question.

Living in metro D.C. we do see our share of tourists. Then at times, we are tourists. I don't mind giving directions or advice . . . just watch your driving/walking downtown -- you can be run over w/o a second thought AND remember on the train (and I'm sure New Yawkers will agree): "stand to the right, walk on the left!"

We have visited the various gravesites of presidents, civil war generals, etc., on our travels about the country. The only two musicians' graves I have visited are Rick Danko's and Jim Morrison. I live about 10 miles from the church where F. Scott Fitzgerald is buried -- keep thinking I'll stop, but never do. I belive Francis Scott Key is buried close by here too -

J.F.

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brown eyed girl

"Here is the true meaning and value of compassion and nonviolence, when they help us to see the enemy's point of view, to hear her/his questions, to know her/his assessment of ourselves. For from her/his view we may indeed see the basic weaknessess of our own condition, and if we are mature, we may learn and grow and profit from the wisdom of the sisters and brothers who are called the opposition."

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Peter V

Not really … it was just on the early 70s obligatory tourist trail around Paris … Pere Lachaise. Every so many years I read a novel I like so much that I buy multiple copies and send them to friends.

One such novel was "The Hat of Victor Noir" by Adrian Matthews, whose theme is this very cemetery. A brilliant book. Highly recommended.

Jean, in Bournemouth, where I was born, 1600 is pre-history. The first house dates back to only 1823.

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Charlie Y

As for the gravesite discussion, it made me realize I've been to a lot of historical graves but very few of musicians. In may local region it's easy to visit the grave of Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and other presidents, but John Phillip Sousa is one of the few musician's graves I've visited. F. Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald are buried in Rockville, Maryland, with a quote from "The Great Gatsby" adoring their stone. I've been there a couple of times.

The big cemetary in Paris, Pere Lachaise, is one I visited years ago and I imagine Peter goes there often to pay his respects to Jim Morrison. Seriously, I see why tourists flock there when others interred at Pere Lachaise include George Melies, Marcel Proust, Georges Bizet, Georges Seurat, Frederick Chopin, Simone Signoret, Stephane Grapellie (who played music with David Grisman!), Maria Callas, Isadora Duncan, Max Ernst, Oscar Wilde, Gertrude Stein and Edith Piaf. People are dying to get in there! [Sorry, that's one of my father's old jokes I can never resist] Pere Lachaise has an amazing interactive website featuring a virtual tour. It's nice to see they've cleaned the spray paint and crap from Mr. Morrison's grave since I saw it. There's also a mysterious man named simply "Roberston" who live from 1763 to 1837 and is listed as a "physicien, magicien" on the website. Hmmm...

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David P.

Robbie Robertson was the first to move away from the Woodstock area, perhaps yielding to his wife's feelings, moving first to Montreal and later to Malibu, where the rest of The Band would join him.

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Jean

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stabbi0

Oh my gosh, friend0 -yes, I know you love me BUT my flu is of the stomach variety. drink warm water...oregano.......ugghhhh...... I rolled into work today carrying a box of crackers. When I visited woodstock (with Jan, btw) we asked a lady on the side of the road where Big Pink was (we knew directions but wanted to make sure we were still on-track). I don't think the lady resented it too much. We were stilly early 50-s giddy women. ACtually, if they didn't like it -- I didn't care

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Walt

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walt

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Jean

I don't know anything about J2Rs or Mrs. J2Rs so I cannot speak to their personal warmth. Marcus does have an interesting way with words, but the ones he quoted from Mrs. Robbie were in actual quotation marks so I don't know if I'd call them filtered.

Again, I've never been to Woodstock, NY. I'm sure it is a charming town like most charming towns in these parts (I mapquested it and it is approximately 89 miles from where I live). With the exception of Jackie O. who graduated from the local girls prep school, no one truly famous has ever lived here (well, I guess Fifty Cent lived here for a while but I think he's gone - I never went looking for his house but I think it can be seen driving up Rattlesnake Mountain aka Route 6 - but I'm not sure). We do get our fair share of tourists who tour Historic Main Street and the surrounding village. Some of the homes and cemeteries date back to the 1600's and they draw a little crowd (apologies to those of you across the pond - I realize something built in the 1600's is considered new construction in your part of the world).

And for the last several weeks, this part of the USA has been packed with leaf peepers.

Many years ago I was at a business conference with representatives from a bunch of insurance companies. Some folks from Mass Mutual or the Phoenix were there and were making all kinds of disparaging comments about the tourists who show up in Historic Deerfield (Ma) in their LL Bean jackets and dropping big bucks at the Yankee Candle flagship store. They really looked down on those folks which I found curious because the folks working at Yankee Candle are always quite pleasant. I'm sure the traffic is a pain to the locals, but that's one of those prices you pay for living in a town that attracts tourists. If you live there before the town becomes a tourist destination, I think you're got a right to complain. If you move there after the town is already a tourist destination, then you probably should have known what you were getting into. Like when we moved to this house, I knew it was going to take me between 20 and 30 minutes each morning to travel less than 3 miles to get to the highway to go to work. I hate that part of living here, but I knew what I was doing so I can't really complain about it now.

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Northern Boy

People have a profound love of Rick throughout the world, not just Woodstockers, and feel through his music that they knew him even though they never even met him. As a Candadian who travelled 3,000 miles to your town, I'm not going to visit Woodstock and not try to pay my respects at his grave. This is my way of acknowledging what a fellow countryman has accomplished and a way of saying thanks for what he's given and continues to give me. I think any civilly asked question deserves a similar response. I visited the Canadian veterans cemetery in Holden, Holland a few years ago. I have visited the Canadian Group of Seven (painters) gravesites. I just don't see the "necrophelia" bit in honouring people who gave something important to your life, be it art, music or your freedom. And visiting Rick's grave (which I couldn't find), or sneaking a discreet peak at Big Pink doesn't mean you didn't also take in all the natural beauty of the place or explore the non-Rock aspects of Woodstock. Presumptuous to assume this of visitiors. Myself, I also went around looking for original oil paintings by early 20th century painter, John F. Carlson, a seminal figure in the early Woodstock art scene and one of my favourite painters. I was disappointed in only finding two of his works. Where are you people hiding his paintings (he asked civilly) ? He's brilliant and his book "A Guide to Landscape Painting" remains a bible among artists (like me) to this very day, sixty years after his death.

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Friend0

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Peter V

Walt, I see that about grave sites. Personally, it wouldn’t occur to me to even ask, but I know that my home town has a sheet of paper at the information office and library with all that stuff … and we had visitors who wanted to see Mary Shelley’s resting place last year. And of course we were not acquainted with Mary Shelley so there was no personal dimension.

It’s a bit like the Homes of the Stars tours in Hollywood. I know the score because here in Poole around this time of year the buses full of vacationing retirees clog up the leafier streets and beachside areas looking at the homes of the footballers and football managers. OK, most of us wouldn’t be interested in looking at the Portsmouth manager’s multi-million pound pile, but some people clearly are. There is an ex-England player living very near us, and if someone asked me, I’d feel it rude to my neighbour to give directions.

But it’s a penalty of living in a nice place. You can’t blame people for wanting to come and spend their money in your town. And even a grumpy resident like me has to admit we have a wider choice of restaurants, shops, cafés, cinemas and theatres because they do.

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Walt

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Steve

Northern Boy, while you're right, of course, about the fact* thousands of North American towns have no touristic draw, it's also true that thousands do.

The American civil war, as the historians will tell you, was fought in 10,000 places and many of those have been tourist destinations for people who are interested in such things.

Here in Quebec I can think of a dozen or more right off the top of my pointy little head.

The fact* that Hope has become a tourist destination because of its part in that most historic series of forgettable flicks should tell you how low the bar is set when it comes to being a worthy touristic destination.

As the proud owner of the original Herring Hill Farm, on Herring Road, I can't tell you the number of times I've had to stop working to explain the history of inland herring farming to city dwellers who see the Herring Hill Farm sign.

* Since this post was directed to NB, the word, fact, is used in no actual relation to the generally understood meaning of the word, F A C T.

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brown eyed girl

Greil Marcus Finds Meaning in Bob Dylan's Basement REVIEWED BY, STEVE SILBERMAN, Special to The Chronicle Sunday, May 25, 1997 Invisible republic

Bob Dylan's Basement Tapes By Greil Marcus Henry Holt; 286 pages; $22.50

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brown eyed girl

15 JULY 2008 Asylum Mix: Bob Dylan's Black Dalli Rue 1965/1966. I didn't know that "Black Dalli Rue" was the workin' title for "Positively Fourth Street".....mp3's included.

Thanks dlew919....I'll look forward to reading the article on Sid and Nancy.

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Steve

Dlew, that was its purpose, jocularity, jocularity, jocularity!!!

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dlew919

Subject: 30 Years since Nancy Spungeon died (of Sid and Nancy)

I know not many of you will be interested, but I found this article on the death of punk (with the deaths fo Nancy and Sid) fascinating... Lou Reed gets mentioned.

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Cynthia McCall-Gandy

Subject: Big Fan! Love The Band

Absolutely love The Band. Fan for many years. Fifty Now, but still loving The Band. Would like to have an address to contact Levon Helm as I have some Lyrics for him to review work with if he is interested. Thanks,

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dlew919

Thanks to you two, as well. Ill chase up both versions. I think it's a great song, so even if these aren't the one, I'll enjoy listening to it...

Steve: couldn't help but laugh at the J2R's quality of Lou's voice...

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Peter V

My grandad, born deep in deepest Dorset, was a miserable old bugger. Anyway, my dad (having been a motor sales rep in Dorset all his life) always said the most popular expression in rural Dorset was "There be a stranger. Heave half a brick at he."

From some of these stories, it sounds as if some of my close relatives might have found their grumpy way to the Catskills.

Tourist places get bad reputations because of the Basil Fawlty syndrome; people who find themselves in the tourist trade when they shouldn't really be in it. There are always some. People said the same things to us about Sedona (an equally touristic place with lots of hippy shops) but we found everyone charming and friendly. This is not due to me (who carries the Dorset grumpy heritage) but to Mrs V who always ends up in friendly conversation with storekeepers.

Yesterday I was appalled at the reception people got at Arrivals at London Heathrow airport. I was picking up my son and went to get a newspaper. I was sixth or seventh in line and the only non-American in line. The two women on the cash registers maintained a loud conversation in Hindi or Gujarati and only grunted prices at customers. in spite of an unfailingly polite line of people, they did not say "please" or "thank you" once. I think that IS a problem when you put people in front of visitors. They need to be taught basic communication skills.

So if you own a store in Woodstock, you photocopy a slip of paper with the requisite directions. But in most places the local tourist board would produce a sheet of paper with the requisite stuff on. BUT that would be unfair to Big Pink's owners, I guess.

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Tracy

On this subject of Woodstock, like Jean mentioned about Mrs. Robertson, it's ideal for some and not for others. If you're not all the way used to country living then Woodstock is not the type of town you would want to live in. In the Robertsons case, both came from big cities (Toronto and Montreal). Let's not forget that before their big move to California they were planning on settling in Montreal instead. It's all about personal preference. Hey, some people find it easy to adapt to certain changes whether it is surrounding wise or climate change. I myself prefer the North Shore of Massachusetts. That's where I personally feel the love and warmth, not to mention great music. I'm kind of surprised that nobody has said anything against Dylan who up and moved his family to NYC instead of wanting to stay in idyllic Woodstock or Van Morrison moving to Boston. Then again, I shouldn't be too surprised when any Robertson is mentioned. Not in The Band community.

All of this is not to deter anyone from forming their own opinion on Woodstock. By all means people should go and check it out. Whatever the outcome is just that. THEIR outcome.

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Friend0

Interesting and not untypical Woodsotck/woodstock area person and project. Many of you will be familiar with Amy Fradon. Though this is a Esther Frances project. My cousin was the drummer, he's left the area, moved out west a few years back. Amy is a great singer, my cousin was always the drummer of choice for both she & Leslie Ritter. I don't recall which of them , but one had a aversion to drummers. Drummers can tend to overplay, but not Mike. Mike also played with Artie Traum whenever he was available.

Ken McGloin, a great, tasteful guitarit, all around nice guy, is on it too. Ken was in Davida and The Eclectics with Mike. Davida was a short chick, incredible singer, great pair of lungs.

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Jack

Opening acts for CCR that night. Wilbur Harrison opened the show singing his hits, Kansas City and Let's Get Together. Then Booker T & The Mg's; brought their shipment of Green Onions. Followed by the headliner CCR.

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Friend0

there were always places trying, places popping up. I remember seeing Eddie Shaw & The Wolf Gang in a large cavernous building in Kingston. just down 9w from the mall. 1989. or 1990. Saw shows in all sorts of places, there were restaurants galore tryign with good music, you must rememebdr. I remember seeing Winston Grennan playing in restaurant/ bars, and blowing my mind with his great drums ( I had a friend, Mnina, who lived in that same enormous house, subdivided into apartments, that Winston lived in. Circa 1989, 1990. He was always working on that school bus) The Hoppens, or one of them, in a restaurant/ bar. One of the great Parker brothers on drums. Joshus'a even tried music upstairs, Junior ellis, pee wee's son, had a band used to play up there, Blue Food i think it was. I would imagine there are places that still try, it seemed someone was always trying to get something going for bands to play. In every which direction. Up 28. Over the river too of course.

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brown eyed girl

I'm looking forward to Pat's nterview with Garth Hudson

"Garth Hudson's organ playing is the carnival, and Robbie Robertson's guitar sounds like the helpless shrug of a three-time loser. As I listened to the song for the first time in years, I started grinning like an idiot."

rozzzz! Rickie Leeeee couldn't get out of bed for two weeks!!! It was around the time Tom was singing that song about how he never wanted to get married.....

The person in the Woodstock Music Shop was very friendly. Although he showed us where the cemetary was near by.....I still couldn't find Rick's resting place and it pissed me off! I was sooooo close and yet so far away. Someone in a casual place for lunch kept asking my partner which radio station he was from 'cause of his deeeeep voice. She wouldn't let up. lol All I knew after this weekend trip was that I wanted to return.

imagezulu told me yesterday that he actually saw CCR in 1969 in Maple Leaf Gardens! I wasn't even in highschool then. Sometimes it's very cool to be older at the right time!

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Friend0

Go get a bottle of standardized extract oil of oregano. It's a tincture. Oreganol is a decent brand. There are better, but it is all fired important that it be a standardized extract and oreganol is that. And not hard to find. Drop two or three drops in a cup of luke warm water, drink up. Better yet, drink down. Do that 2 or 3 times a day. You'll knock that cold out one, two three. Also, any time you feel like a cold is coming, do that, you likely won't get sick.

Get a bottle of capsules of standardized extract olive leaf extract. Take three of them three times a day, in conjunction with the Oreganol. Once you are well, take one olive leaf extract two or three xs daily. Who loves ya Stabby?

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Northern Boy

I can understand how the same questions could get a little tiresome for Woodstock residents . "Where's Big Pink ?" Where's Rick's grave ?" etc. . My little town (Hope, British Columbia) saw the birth of the Rambo series, as "First Blood" was filmed here. While I personally have little use for violence as entertainment and would even prefer to watch a chick flick, I have directed countless people to the "First Blood" filming locations and have (for free) painted a photo-board for the town so tourists can stick their heads through a Rambo cut-out, and take the pic home as a souvenir. I'm not saying Woodstockers should put up with rude tourists, and Big Pink is a private residence so there's special issues there. But it's always good to keep in mind that there's thousands of North American towns that have nothing at all of a special nature to draw tourists to them.

Personally, I had wonderful lengthy chats with two Woodstock residents; one had even attended Rick's funeral.But upon politely asking one shopkeeper (with a music-related business) for help in finding Rick's grave, he informed me that he "ain't no freakin' gravedigger". Even which of the two town cemeteries Rick was could be found in would've sent us on our way and only taken five seconds out of his busy, charm-exuding day. Perhaps this charisma-deficit individual will come to my town some day and will need directions to the Rambo filming locations. Now while I certainly ain't no freakin' tour guide and furthermore ain't even no freakin' film buff, I believe I would still be more than willing to tell him exactly where to go./nPS. We Band fans are, by-and-large, a pretty decent lot. Visit the graveyard in Montmartre (Paris) where Jim Morrison is buried. I've gone by it but not actually gone in. Apparently many of the adjacent headstones have been defaced by Jim's fan base during their pilgrimages there. And this cemetery houses a great many people of historical significance; writers, philosophers and artists. I'd be very surprised if Woodstock ever had much in the way of such graffitti calling cards left by fans of Danko, Dyaln, The Band or that other Morrison singer whom I personally prefer over Jim by a ridiculous margin.

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Friend0

Cut & pasted from a e mail from a israeli disc jockey:

"Yesterday is history, Tomorrow is a mystery, And today? today is a gift, That's why we call it the present." Babatunde Olatunji

Very well said Walt. BTW, when i wrote "not everything had Woodstock in the name, which pisses me off." what i meant was that the branding of Woodstock bothers me. The name The Millstream Motel was beautiful. The Pincerest was sure better than the name they later took. Seeing woodstock in the name of every other business, well, you said it yourself, the place is so much more. I don't go for branding.

I've probably written this a dozen times. Of all the places i've lived, the house and property down at the bottom of Racetrack Road was the best & most peaceful. It was a blue two story house, with a cedar walled bath and shower on the main level. The top floor was just a large bedroom, with large built in seats in some of the windows. Staircase led right into the bedroom. The bedroom walls were practically window all the way around. Lots of light, and a great breeze, the house was in the pines, I mean really in the pines. The sound they made was absolutely beautiful.And it was cool all summer long. But as moist as the place was, it was starting to rot from the base up. It would need work and soon. Nancy MacDonald owned it, she had had Nancy's Attic in town, but closed it up, and was moving to Olivebridge with her boyfriend. Nancy rented it to me from april till the end of sept, said I could stay as long as I wanted past that, at a low rent but doubted i'd want to stay much past sept, and told me me it's a rough road for winter. Which was obvious. It was a rough road for spring, summer, & fall too. Was honest about everything,& needing a 4 wheel drive in winter. Plus she didn't rape me on the price of the rental. It was a square deal.

Race track road, i loved it. Deer and turkey all over the property. The name was hysterical, though i was told that there once really was some kind of racetrack there. But it was a rock dirt road, all torn to hell. Coming in, after a while you pass the telescope lens guy's farm, estate, what ever it was, with horse, llamas, peacocks, and all kinds of 4 legged creatures galore. Past and opposite him, was the reclusive older people with the real old collie's, that would bark and sometime's visit, me and my dog moe, and whomever might've been accompanying us, on our walks. Before my blue house was Bobby Messano's in laws, the sears or may tag repair man truck in the driveway, Past my house was the big estate that i think might've been up a mountain, not sure. Maybe the guy's name was epstein. there was one more house around the bend & across the creek from me. We had a bobcat there that year. I heard a motherfucker of a screech, like a car locking it's brakes at a hundred miles an hour. And Moe was bugging. It happened twice the first night I heard it. Next morning, walking at the lake, a woman told me to make sure I kept Moe leashed, that the bobcat was back. I said, oh, so that's what i heard last night, she said sure was.

I moved in in April 89, and it was monsooning, the creek was up to the rear deck. It was great. Took quite a while for the rains to cease, but it was nice having the creek moving fast that year. The sounds of the creek and the pines together made it a great place to relax and to sleep. I was starting my busines up there, working up there, and down in the city. But was able to work whereI wanted, and wanted to be up there. But, being able to just crash as long as I wanted, as much as I wanted, and not hear nothing but pines and rain, was great.It wasn't long before Brooklyn didn't see too much of me at all.

Being able to wake up at 11 at night, drive to town, hear Davida & The eclectics (my cousin on drums), or Futu Futu, or the Dolphins (Rob Leon, Vinnie Martucci, Danny Brubeck, Mike Demicco), or Asha Nan (my cousin, his daughters, Juma Sultan, Rich, and Mike Haywood' Flanagan), and other great bands, was a bonus. But cooper lake was a great place to walk,. the whole area was magnificent. You could park anywhere , Shady, Willow,and just go walking. Nancy was thinking about selling that house. I never asked her a price, cause she didn't really seem to want to sell it. But it would a been a great peace of land to own, knock the house down, build a new one. But still, you got to deal with that road.

And nancy was right, I moved out of the house in November. Like I said, the house was holey, and the colder it got, the more animals moved in. During the summer, you'd hear animals in the crawl spaces, at night. Both the crawl space foundation, and the crawlspace in the roof. Moe was a thirty pound rascal, but had a watchdog way about him, tough little fucker. In brooklyn, he'd often pull a blanket into the doorway of the bedroom, sleep there. In Cooper Lake, he'd start out upstairs for a little while, then go downstairs on guard duty I reckon. But when i'd hear animals in the crawl space, he'd come up the stairs. I guess he'd fight a person, but maybe not a critter, Though that was wasn't true, I had to keep him on a leash often, cause he'd try to go after rattlers. and there are plenty up there. And he did chase deer every chance he had. Anyway, the colder it got, the more animals were moving into the ground floor, so I gave Nancy her house back. Just a few weeks later I rented the old Ruth Berg house on Plochmann, adjoining poperty to John Berg's house. You probably know it walt. (You may know Nancy too). I rented it from the woman who along with her soon to be ex husband, had bought it from Ruth. That house, was gorgeous, as was the house i rented in Shokan, afterwards. but neither compared to living on Racetrack road.

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rosalind

sorry

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rosalind

I watched "The Factory" the other night and thought about how once hearing that Dominique had once taken Robbie to The Factory because Dominique had a college friend there that she had known in Paris. I was wondering who that friend might have been as I was watching this screwed-up biography of Edie Sedgwick? Does anyone know whether or not Dominique's friend was Ms. Sedgwick? She was rich and had been schooled in Paris?

Just a thought

Brown Eyes - I never read that story of how Wait broke Ricci Lee heart... He breaks my heart often enough.

So I will take the Marley Bone Coach
And be whistlin' down the wind

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Little Brøther

Subject: Ouch!

Peter, you do know SAAB has a limited edition convertible named after a certain house in West Saugerties?

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JH-- Spare us such Saab stories! ;)

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abby

Subject: bill m

Bill M - I agree with you 100% - that line sums it all up...maybe I already knew that line, I dunno - I've had the flu now for near a week...things are not as crystal clear as they usually are in this wondrous brain of mine. And I LOVEd Woodstock the two times I visited. Would love to be able to stay longer than 2 nites. I'll bet nobody gets the flu in Woodstock....

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Carol

Walt, I really like what you said about Woodstock, and I think you're right on target.

Jean--No offense, buo know SAAB has a limited edition convertible named after a certain house in West Saugerties?

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JH-- Spare us such Saab stories! ;)

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abby

Subject: bill m

Bill M - I agree with you 100% - that line sums it all up...maybe I already knew that line, I dunno - I've had the flu now for near a week...things are not as crystal clear as they usually are in this wondrous brain of mine. And I LOVEd Woodstock the two times I visited. Would love to be able to stay longer than 2 nites. I'll bet nobody gets the flu in Woodstock....

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Carol

Walt, I really like what you said about Woodstock, and I think you're right on target.

Jean--No offense, but Dominique Robertson is not exactly known for her warmth and hospitality; not sure she'd be the best person to assess the character of the town or its residents. What she said sounds very poetic, filtered as it was through Greilish transcription, but that happened to be her take on the place at a particular time in her life.

I don't live there but I've spent lots of time there. I'm a woman, I don't use dope, and I don't make music--but I find there's a lot of warmth, tranquility, vitality, and creative and spiritual energy in Woodstock.

Just curious about what you mean when you say that the early feelings of tranquility gave way to something less idealistic and that the rest is history(?)

Do you mean the early feelings of the Band members? Or just the scene in general? Because Rick, I know, found lots of peace and tranquility in Woodstock. He traveled all over the world for almost four decades, and could have lived his life anywhere, but he still chose to make Woodstock his home. He loved the community and the community loved him.

Hi Dlew and Jan :-)

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David P.

dlew919: The all-girl dance/pop trio Company B covered the Lou Reed classic back in the '80s. This may be the version you heard.

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Joan

I spent my first 14 summers in the Catskills. First at a "bungalow colony" in Woodridge. then at summer camp in Hunter. There is magic in the mountains. Aside from just the physical beauty, there is a special "vibe". I don't know how to describe it, but you just feel it. Those summers have a special place in my memory. I often "go there" in my mind. I've been to Woodstock, but did not spend much time there. Perhaps it is touristy, but it is also imbued with that special "Catskill" thing

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Bill M

Walt: That pretty much jives with my experience. The only time I was in Woodstock was 15+ years ago. We just headed out for a longish drive on Canadian Thanksgiving weekend and wound up deciding to cross the border and poke around some new scenery. I think it was the Adirondacks we were in first - lots of winding roads, lots of trees, a town with a name like Old Kettle or something, and almost no place to stay. Trees, mosquitoes and migraine all come to mind, and an uninspiring motel room - so a certain party demanded an improvement the following evening. I spotted a highway sign pointing to Woodstock, and I assured said party that Woodstock would be bound to have tons of accommodation. Not. But there was a really nice B&B on the main drag, operated by a very kind man who insisted that NY law said that couples had to rent double rooms, and as all he had was singles we'd have to rent two - but that he'd rent us two singles for the price of one on the understanding that we'd really just use one of them. Which we did.

Feeling better we wandered out in the evening to the Dharmaware cafe, where a folksinger performed a set then yielded the stage to his friend Doc (I thought he said) who upon closer inspection turned out to be Joe Walsh. Joe, accompanied by an unmatched and uncomfortable bassist and percussionist, jammed endlessly on "Little Wing" (but who cares, right?). I had the sense that Joe was keeping an eye on the door for the arrival of someone like Rick Danko, but it never happened and the evening ended, by which time we'd moved to a front table. Joe grinned and shook his head when I asked for "Rocky Mountain Way" - and then grinned wider when I said, "Well, 'Catskill Mountain Way' then." Years later Rick's "Change Is Good" appears, with Joe Walsh on guitar - so I guess Joe would have had good reason to hope / expect Rick to show up.

Anyway, I had/have no interest in scouting out the Big Pink and found the place quite nice and pretty much normal - right down to the little Sunday morning town flea market (where I picked up, as a souvenir, what turned out to be an awful Joe Walsh album - along with James Brown's great "How Do You Stop?" 45.

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jh

Subject: Woodstock, NY

Our first visit to Woodstock was in August '99, with a certain mad-man from the UK in tow. Pure magic, of course, meeting Levon, Amy and everyone for the first time (thanks, Butch), and seeing Rick again. We've visited the village several times since then, and have been blessed with the company of the Hudsons, Jim Weider, John Simon, Elliott Landy and more locals at the Rambles and elsewhere. The nature: Streams, forests, mountains, country roads, deer everywhere -- beautiful. And then, if you explore the surrounding area: Big Pink, Opus 40 (a must!), the Saugerties Lighthouse, the incredible Tibetan Buddhist monastery from where you can hike all the way up to the top of Overlook Mountain, the Bearsville complex with restaurant/studios/theatre (within walking distance from the Village Green), the Byrdcliffe artist colony where Dylan and Van the Man once lived... Yes, we kind of like Woodstock, NY :-) Favorite hangout: The porch at the Landau Bar&Grill, facing Tinker Street and the Village Green.

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walt

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Steve

I enjoy some of the melodies but that , suck the joy out of listening, voice wears on me. Could you imagine a J2Rs and Lou duet? It would need a "Don't Operate Heavy Machinery, While Listening" warning in bold print on the CD cover.

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Jean

I'm not knocking Woodstock, NY. I'm just suggesting that the early feelings of tranquility gave way to something else less idealistic. The rest is history.

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Bill M

Compare "Once I walked up the face of a mountain / And ate the wild fruit there..." to "Well, I stand up next to a mountain And I chop it down with the edge of my hand".

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David P.

"Once I walked up the face of a mountain And ate the wild fruit there..." In the 1985 interview with Ruth Albert Spencer, Richard Manuel spoke of how the natural environment around Woodstock influenced The Band's first three albums. Specifically, he mentioned that "In A Station", one of his finest songs, was inspired by Overlook Mountain. This same spirit was also invoked by Dominique Robertson in her brief liner note inside the gatefold cover to "Music From Big Pink". No doubt, after all their years on the road, the repose during the Basement Tape period in Woodstock with Dylan helped charge their creative energies.

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Friend0

Todd's post, just prompted me to return to the earlier conversation. I wrote a long post that needed to be edited, so i put it aside. Todd hitting the same chord, made me return.

As Carol, pointed out Woodstock and the surrounding area has been home to or temporarily housed or gave shelter & / or solace to a lot more talent than just musicians. Writers, playwrights, poets ( lets not count Max Schwartz please), photographers, filmmakers, actors, rainmakers, raindancers.

Woodstock was known as an Arts Colony back in the 1800s. The town goes back to the 1700s. When I lived there, a family member had to go out & get a book on the town. It has a long history. There is a magic in them mountains. A power in them hills. It must be what drew everyone there. The vibe of the place certainly is what drew the musicians who had a large cultural impact there in the 60s. some might say it was Grossman, well, the general vibe, is still what ultimately led Grossman there. Something was happening. So, does it start with the mountains, the environment, or does is start with the first artist, writer, or furniture maker who liked the shade, and planted roots there. Or just got tired, fell asleep under a tree, woke up, and said, i like it here, I'm staying. No matter how you slice it, it is what it is. the vibe was there, the looseness, the intellectual stimualation, tolerance, encouragement.

For myself as a kid I knew further up 28 and i knew Kingston. & Saugerties some. Returning to NY in 1985, and wanting to possibly settle around Kingston, I went looking. Somehow I avoided hitting Woodstock at first. Somehow late at night I'd get up there, look at that sign for 28 west Pine Hill, and just not want to head that way. I was buoncing around Stone Ridge, Kingston, other places. I rented a apartment in Stone Ridge that I never moved into. Got up there with my stuff, the place was a mess, not what had been agreed to,and the landlord said move in , I'll clean and fix everything later. I said, my father didn't make me with his finger, and did get my deposit back after some maneuvering. But once I headed to Woodstock and that immediate surrounding area, it was all over. I was sucked right in.

The town did look different then, the stores were better. It was quainter, and not everything had Woodstock in the name, which pisses me off. I never really bothered going into thte local schlock stores. It wasn't about that for me. The stores i entered were the food stores, drug store, etc, golden notebook occassionally, long after I lived there. The record store.And I didnt ask people a whole lot of stupid questions. I just hung. It was Tinker street Cafe, the other music venues, like The Lake, that did it for me, and neeting the people. Hanging out with other people. Then, later, I learned my older cousin was living in West Hurley half ther time, Gardiner the other half. I was home.

I hate to say it, but along with the dwindling demographic of amazing musicians, great analogue studios, engineers who give a shit, etc, alot of the actual things of real interest, personal artistic appeal about the area has been vanishing for me, and will continue to vanish unless younger musciians start to actually develop the way younger msuicians developed in the 50s, 60s, 70s etc. Learn how to play their gawd damn instruments.

But on the other hand, Not all of it, can disappear. There is a magic in them mountains, a power in them hills, I swear. and the spirits of Rick, Richard, and others will always walk there.

The area itself will always have that healing effect, that power, that beauty. And there will always be muscians there who know better. They'll be older, and fewer, but there will be some.

on one hand, the times they are a changing, and new talent, for the most part, just ain't that fucking talented. The vibe connects to the talent to a degree. On the other hand, something drew the great talent there once upon a time. So, if there ever is another talential torrent, it probably wells in woodstock again

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Bill M

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biffalo bull

id like to give a nod to steve marriott, i believe he did a cover of "dont do it". now there was an artist extrordinaire, uniquely original and groundbreaking. having done a brief reaquantance with steve marriots contributions, i have to agree he was one of the best!

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Plochmann Lane

Subject: Get well soon Little Sammy Davis.

We're praying for Little Sammy Davis who suffered from a stroke Saturday. The little man has a big heart. We were fortunate to meet him @ the Aug 23rd Ramble.

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brown eyed girl

Lou Reed at Farm Aid 1985, in Champaign, Ill. "Take A Walk On The Wild Side" was probably the first single.....literally I heard on the car radio of Louuu's huge body of work. I'd hear the words and wasn't sure if I was hearing what I heard. Anyway, the fact that in such a macho world of rock....Louuu could still navigate his way through it and still be accepted by fans like me......What can I say? You either get Louuu or you don't.

I used to have Rickie Lee Jones' cover of "Walk Away Renee" but since sold all the CDS I had of hers because they were so uneven musically and lyrically for me. Her first solo recording I think is her masterpiece. Hey rozzzz......I could never forgive Tom Waits for breaking her heart. I think that love story in Rolling Stone when it was a newspaper was the very last one that was sent to me.

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Steve

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Far East Man

Subject: Walk

Edie Brickell did a version of "Walk On The Wild Side." Never heard Ricki's.

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Steve

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dlew919

Subject: One more obituary

Neal Hefti, who after a long career in serious jazz, composed, among other things the theme from Batman (1966)...

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dlew919

It wouldn't surprise me that it was Ricki Lee Jones... As I think of it, I didn't actually hear (or have forgotten) a back announcement identifying it, so i've probably put a 'black singer' ...

I'm off to youtube.

Thanks again - that's great!

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Todd

Subject: 'Lodi' - Again

The CCR version is great, but for me the definitive reading of 'Lodi' comes from the Emmylou Harris at the Ryman with the Nash Ramblers album from 1992. Best line of the song...."Somewhere I lost connections, Ran out of songs to play". Gotta imagine that the life of a musician ain't always such a glamorous thing.

I've been to Woodstock a fair number of times by now and have had mostly positive experiences. My only advice to anyone traveling there for the first time is to take it slow and soak up the vibe. It's not a theme park....but it is a place that needs to be experienced by osmosis to some degree. Repeat visits reveal a little more each time..but you may not find it in the shops. There is something magical about those mountains.

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brown eyed girl

Lodi, Cali by CCR. Back to cooking.....

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brown eyed girl

I visited Woodstock, Ontario (all I remember here is that we made an illegal u-turn) before I visited Woodstock, New York. We used to always drive by the sign into Woodstock, New York on our way to NYC but it just never happened. I guess no one really cared but me.

Just a reminder JEFFOH that I'm not as familiar with your country and vice versa. At the time I didn't even know that CCR were from Cali! There's another group I wished I had seen. Guess what? You know who.....saw them!!! Ouch, ouch, ouch!

Louuu also wrote "I Wanna Be Black".

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Friend0

http://www.lyricstime.com/ccr-lodi-lyrics.html

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/creedence-clearwater-revival-lodi-lyrics.html

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/creedence-clearwater-revival-lodi-lyrics.html

I sure hope Lodi, the town name, has no deep meaning. I'm happy with just the " a Lodi" interpretation. Of course, there is the potential greater metaphor to the song.

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Charlie Y

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abby

Wow - that's two in a row. I didn't know that's what they were saying...

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Bonk

Subject: dlew919

I remember Ricky Lee Jones doing that song like you describe.

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Friend0

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abby

Subject: The Whip is in the Grave

I always wondered what that line was! Makes sense, too.

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Friend0

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Joan

I grew up a town or so away from the "Joisey" Lodi, but I think he meant the one in northern California.

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dlew919

Just a quick question that's been annoying me - I hope someone here knows the answer... 25 years back, on regional radio, NSW (so no help there), I heard a version of Walk on hte Wild Side, by a black female singer. It's pretty consistent with the Reed version, except she phrases it a little more conventionally, adn at the bit where 'the coloured girls go', she sings 'and the white boys sing' and a choir of men come in and sing the 'doo, doo, doo... ' bit. Anyone have any idea? Oh, and PS RIP DeeDee Warwick, dionne's sadly overlooked sister.

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brown eyed girl

"Dying To Live" by Edgar Winter's White Trash.

"Walk Away Renee"...Joisey's Southside Johnny and The Asbury JUKES.

OHJEFFOH...I'm from Canada so I only knew one Lodi and that's only because I've been in Joisey many times....especially the Clifton area.

Hi again Carol and Joan...Glad to see that the "Times Like These" article that was posted here made it over to your site. Joan is such a Dankette girl, isn't she? :-D

Oh Bill M...I'll let him know that you're soooo witty. Btw did the CD come out with BARK and TLW Tribute? Did I miss it? You missed Maud's INCREDIBLE cover of "Baby, Don't Do It" the night you were not in attendance but we were. Oh well.... ;-D

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Steve

Joan, it was two meals. The bread and pumpkin curry soup was lunch. The patties were supper. The bread, which had so much cereal in it, it could stand on its own as a meal.

It occurred to me after I made the post about Big Pink that Marcus also mentioned that the most brilliant line in the whole album was Richard's " The whip is in the grave", from We Can Talk, which sounded like his favorite song on the album, though he did seem fairly partial to The Weight as well.

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dlew919

Subject: Movie/music group t-shirts

Like film? Like music? You just might like these t-shirts, which take film directors, and put them in the branding of popular bands.

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dlew919

Wasn't he pudgy, have glasses, balding and play the piano? He'll never make it!

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Bill M

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Joan

Steve. What time is dinner? it sounds delicious.

David P, I never heard Rickie Lee do it, but I knowing her style, I can almost hear it.

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Norbert

Thunder On The Mountain.

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Steve

Usually there isn't much on CBC Sunday evening I'm interested in but decided to check.

The first thing I heard was a guy saying well this is week 4 of our review of Canadian albums that influenced music beyond the borders of Canada. This week we're looking at an album from 1968, an album that went completely against the musical trends of the late 60's. Well, I had the magic words Big Pink out before he did.

The next hour and the dishes sailed by as I listened to Al Kooper, John Simon and Greil Marcus talk about the album between the songs. They played 6 of the songs in their entirety and pieces of the others.

I also now know that the first time Marcus heard The Weight he was walking on the Berkley campus and while passing a music store on a street beside the campus he heard a song that literally sucked him right into the store, " I rolled into Nazareth .................

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Bill M

Too bad about Levi Stubbs. I guess his last great role was as a plant, opposite Doug, or was it Bob, MacKenzie. Re "Walk Away Renee", that great song belongs in the province of brokenhearted teens like Michael Brown of Left Banke; Levi had no business there, as brilliant as he could be otherwise.

And of course in discussing Left Banke I must once again flag the Band connection via Brown's father, who fiddled for Rick on the Danko-produced Bobby Charles album.

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David P.

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Plochmann Lane

Subject: Happy b'day, Tom Petty!

He turns 58 today. Snoop Dog turns 37 too;).

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David P.

The Who's cover of "Baby Don't You Do It" featured Leslie West on guitar. It was an out-take from the 1971 "Who's Next" sessions, later appearing as a bonus cut on CD reissues for that album.

The Who also covered Sonny Boy Williamson's "Eyesight To The Blind", which was included on "Tommy". Their early live shows often featured Allen Toussaint's "Fortune Teller" (written under the pseudonym Naomi Neville), which was also covered by The Rolling Stones. The latter has been included as a bonus cut on CD reissues of The Who's "Live At Leeds".

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Joan

When I was in college, I loved The Left Banke's version of Walk Away Renee. Later on I heard The Four Tops version. Its on my Ipod now. It just gave the song a whole new dimension.

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Peter V

The Who's version was 1972 … I forgot that one.

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Peter V

With all cover versions of songs you love, it's very hard to like any version better than the one that made you love the song. I knew the Marvin Gaye and The Poets and Rod Stewart's versions of Baby Don't Do It long before I heard The Band.

There is a "semi-boot" of Steampacket with Rod Stewart doing Baby Don't Do It live (1966?) and while a very rough recording indeed, it captures how very well he used to do it … remember that group had Rod Stewart, Julie Driscoll and Long John Baldry at the front. Three lead vocalists, switching lines. (Oh, and one Reg Dwight on piano … they didn't let him sing).

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Jean

Trying to squash a rumor is like trying to unring a bell.

A rumor is one thing that gets thicker instead of thinner as it is spread.

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Bill M

Did anyone catch the entire Luminato show on CBC radio last night? Any Robbie Robertson songs among the material? I caught only Danny Michel doing Anka, Lanois and Cohen, and Ron Sexmith doing Lightfoot, Cohen and MacLellan.

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dlew919

Long time no hear!

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David P.

Marvin Gaye also did a fine version of "Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever". It was included on his 1968 Tamla album "In The Groove", which also featured the mega-hit "I Heard It Through The Grapevine".

Wasn't it Peter Yarrow who first turned on Dylan & Albert Grossman to Woodstock?

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Friend0

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Friend0

Landy, you may be interested in doing some reading into Al Kooper's prior disagreement with Gary Lewis. Over Kooper's "This Diamond Ring". Anyway, it's been put to rest, and they've made nice in public. Kooper is one funny guy.

getting back to the previous topic, if i do, may require a kinda dissertation, so i may spare myself, and the rest of you.

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Landmark

Just a question of my personal preference. I prefer the Band's "Don't Do It" but like the Four Tops' "Loving You". Yet the two songs in my head this morning are "Don't Mess With Bill" which is high up on my Motown faves list and "She's My Style" by Gary Lewis And the Playboys. Own up everybody, I'm not the only Gary Lewis fan in this GB.

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Friend0

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Jean

or Woodstock, NY - but I have been to Woodstock, CT and Woodstock, VT. Woodstock, CT is in Connecticut's 'quiet corner' (northeast)and I recall it to be a lovely little town. My college boyfriend's family lived there in a restored farm house. I have very happy memories of Woodstock, Ct.

Woodstock, Vt was the scene of my two day honeymoon almost 25 years ago (this Wednesday). We were building our first house and paid for our own wedding, which left (to quote our boys) 'no money' for a fancy honeymoon. Someone told us about an inn in VT but when we got there it was closed, so we found our way to the Woodstock Inn and spent a couple of days/nights there - compliments of our credit card.

Let's remember that Robbie wrote The Rumor supposedly about Woodstock, NY and Dominique had some unflattering things to say, too. Maybe they just outgrew the town.

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Steve

I watched a wonderful movie this weekend, 12 Angry Men. 12 strong acting roles. Hard to find another movie with so many great performances.

Band connections are obvious. If you take your glasses off, and imagine a beard and baseball hat and visually add 50 lbs, John Fiedler looks remarkably like Garth Hudson, just don't let him squeak.

Hank's son was in a movie which featured a Band song.

The movie took place in Chicago where the 74 tour kicked off and on and on.

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Peter V

Thanks, BEG. That solo version of Grapevine is INCREDIBLE. The man's vocal technique is awe inspiring. it reminds me that I Heard It Through the Grapevine is one of those songs voted "Best Single of All Time" in DJ polls.

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brown eyed girl

Creedence Clearwater Revival montage done to "Heard it Through the Grapevine".....The very long version that I loooove to hear when we're on the road or I just need to get my groove on! It helped me wake up this morning as a lot of you know.....I don't drink coffee....I'm hyper enough (like Rick Danko). ;-D When I was growing up I actually thought CCR was a southern band. When I heard "Lodi" I thought they were from the south and then moved to Joisey. LOL

"Unfortunate Sons: Though they never quite made it to the top of the charts in America, Creedence Clearwater Revival were nevertheless the preeminent American singles band of the late Sixties and early Seventies with five #2 smashes and a total of 13 Top 40 hits."

Members of the band: John Fogerty, Tom Fogerty, Stu Cook and Doug "Cosmo" Clifford

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brown eyed girl

Ok everyone....Patiently wait 20 seconds and you'll hear Marvin Gaye sing "I Heard It Through The Grapevine" (A capella)!!! Wow, wow, wow........Sorry I'm not very articulate but I sure feeeeeel and know what I like and appreciate. Wow again!

Carol, Joan and dlew919 (I saw your post before it was deleted) as I was going out to have some acupuncture for my knees....too much skipping for brown eyed girl.....Anyway, your kindness and thoughtfulness has been received and appreciated. Thank you! :-D

I saw "The Secret Life Of Bees" this weekend. My friend and I were crying throughout as we experienced how powerful other women can nurture and love us. The other important message in the story was how important it is to tell the truth to our children or we can grow up believing lies that can torment us and affect our sense of being a good person who is loveable.

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Peter V

Levi Stubbs was one of the greats. I was thinking of Landmark’s comment on Marvin Gaye’s Don’t Do It, which led me to The Band doing Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever. You know, at the time, they were great live songs, which everyone loved hearing live … but note that they never released them on studio albums at the time, or in the case of Loving You not till years later and anthologies.

That’s because there are different criteria for covering great soul songs. Creedence (I think) got egg on their faces with that long I Heard It Through the Grapevine (I bought the Cosmo’s Factory remaster last week). Wonderful to hear live, but on record it looks kind of dumb next to the original. I think The Band knew that and kept the Motown covers for live shows.

In neither case (Baby Don’t Do It, Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever) is The Band version as “good” as the original. With Marvin Gaye, it’s all subtle, cool, restrained urgency. The Band howl it out. Fantastic live, but it’s not the song. Lovin You … there was only one Levi Stubbs.

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Friend0

Woodstock, the town, was a arts colony probably before the people who planned the or performed at the music festival were conceived. The festivaal was named for \he town, cause that is where it was originally supposed to take place. It is misinformed tourists who glorify the town ( to use your expression) based on the Music festival. but there is a strong association that is not completely imagined. There is a cause that it was supposed to be there top begin with.

More later when i have more time. Gotta run.

Bob, i have so many old pals.

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bob w.

This mistreatment of the turistas, maybe it was the evil doings of the Woodstock Mafia?

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Tracy

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Friend0

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bob w.

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rosalind

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Friend0

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roz

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Friend0

This is The Guestbook for The Band Website.It is not an impostor or a pretender. We are lucky to have it.

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rosalind

Anyway, I'm reading Klaus Kinski's "UNCUT" and this book is very very difficult to find. I think I shall post excerpts from "UNCUT" to the Guestbook audience if it's alright with the moderator or the button man or whoever's taken the helm on this here ... place. I will ask Norbert if it's alright. Is it alright, Norbert?

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JTull Fan

Very strange. Seems like several innocous posts from today are missing.

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Jan F.

But anyway - what served me right was that I crashed my car yesterday. Was out running errands, in a hurry, had missed lunch, and at a yield sign behind a lady in a Camry. I thought she went (it was clear), but she didn't and I did. Now you probably ask why I'm posting this here-- Well, I busted my Levon Helm Studios tag cover into little pieces (along with the front of my car. My Acura TL submarined under the Camry doing very little damage to her car (I loosened her muffler) but my car is a mess. Someone who stopped to make sure we were OK retrieved my front car tag along with the pieces of the tag cover -- she was very nice. I wonder if Levon still sells those tag covers . . . . guess I'll go check the site.

Jan F.

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Gabbington

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dlew919

Great to hear from you!

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Landmark

Ahhh, it's like I never left. Hook up my computer after picking it up from the Geek Squad who did some neccessary repairs, click on the Guestbook and read the first post which is a refernece to ovaries. Scroll a bit further down to see Richie Hebner has made another of his cameo appearances. It's good to be back home! On a musical note (Yes, this the real Landmark!)I have CHUM playing through my computer and they just played a version of "Don't Do It" by Marvin Gaye. First time I ever heard this and I'm happy to say that the Band's versions just wallop it. I like Marvin Gaye but he will not be remembered for this one. Oh well, I must finish some yard work before settling in for an afternoon of football and racing from Keeneland.

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dlew919

Subject: Buddy Harman, nashville drumming great, RIP

Vale.

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dlew919

Subject: Does music belong in gender?

Of course, soem (The) Band(s) appeal to both... and this refers to pop music, rather than real music... See link...

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Northern Boy

I'm sorry that you feel maltreated here in any way. But I've actually lauded Jeff for "Northern Nutjob", a highly-fitting (not to mention alliterative) term he came up with for me and one that I have used to refer to myself on more than one occasion. Similarly I welcome Stevon Farm's creation "He Who Shall Remain Brainless", a spin-off of me being Canada's self-proclaimed "first living human brain donour". (BTW, no one takes a comedic punch better than Steve, -no glass JAWBONE there, that's for sure). To use a Norm Jonesism, these are mere "terms of endearment". But as such Ros, I'm afraid they won't you help in building a case for the Moderator. That having been said though, personally I've found that kidding around in this toneless cyber medium is a pretty dangerous proposition unless one wants to deal exclusively in self-deprecating humour. Hopefully I'll have something to say about music tomorrow (Amos Garrett and Jim Byrnes). NB

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JTull Fan

Who is this referring to anyway? I don't read every word of every post, and don't wish to research it.

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Friend0

Well now, we are getting somewhere. I was certain that you did indicate a spelling preference and had told me that you objected to being called Roz baby. So I just figured it was A OK to use Ros baby. Now that I know it's not cool to address you as Ros baby, should you prefer, I'll use Roz baby exclsuively.

One observation. jh does not title himself Moderator. When jh governs, he simply uses the name jh. I do not believe this guestbook has a moderator, but I know that the website of which it is a part has a webmaster.

Listened to Downtown Train, Waits version, yesterday. Always a treat. Amazing guitar & drums. Great frigging song. Shall we dance?

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rosalind

I've just watched "Before the devil Knows You're Dead" on Showtime. This is an excellent film. Catch It!

This place is mostly ful of humorless pinkos and I don't know why I come here. Force of habit I guess.

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Friend0

Ros Baby,

Between Steve & Northern Nutjob (aka His Nutjobness), it has been established that NB cannot be offended or can only insult himself. Anyway, His Nutjobness,( or when direclty addressing NB "Your Nutjobness" is the correct usage) is a term of respect. Northern Nutjob may be a funny nickname, or it may be a Canadian Sex Act. I've been amazed that all this time no one bit.

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joe j

Subject: Hooters... Tell Tale Signs

I was going to watch the ballgame but there were 'transmission difficulties' and I was treated to a Hooters 'infomercial' featuring a dozen bikini clad (barely) ladies doing I'm not sure what when my Missus took control of the remote and icily suggested I take my drink and go play my new Dylan CDs.

Actually I've been downstreaming 'Tell Tale Signs' all along (I still can) but my Amazon order also included 'Planet Waves' which I've only had on well worn vinyl.

Only Phillies team to win it all - 1980. I was working in Toronto and my co-worker B.... McBride got stuck with the nickname 'Bake'. Carlton, McGraw, Boone, Rose, Trillo, Schmidt, Bowa, Luzinski, Maddox and McBride. Post Richie Hebner.

Anyway it's game on and I won't link the K'naan-Nelly Furtado video. If you're think you can get into Somalian hip-hop check out K'naan's 'Dusky Foot Philosopher'. My favourite - 'I Was Stabbed By Satan'

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rosalind

Isn't referring to someone as a NUTJOB a personal insult? Is that not one of the rules in this slug of a guestbook?

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Friend0

Link is to Levon, Emmylou, & a Crow. Evangeline. Probably the Country Music Hall of Fame benefit the other night here in NYC.

Brien, Though the big stuff hasn't happened yet regarding Atlantic Yards, plenty of businesses, apartment dwellers, and homeowners have been getting effected for several years now. People & businesses have been displaced.

I am not sure, but think i recall Ratner is the son of The Ratners who owned Ratner's restaurant on Delancey Street. Great jewish cooking, restaurants similar to it in Brooklyn were The Famous, on Eastern Parkway, Dubrow's on King's Highway were I grew up, and I think Garfield's or Garfinkel's was the name of the one near where i think your parents lived Nutjob. Got your email, that's one fancy smelling name you have.

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Joan

Subject: A great link

Please forgive this foray into politics. I know I said I would not do that anymore. I post this link with an explanation. This is one of the funniest, most clever thing I've seen in years. As you pass your cursor over the various objects and click when you see the "hand", you will see some great things. Some of them are multiple images (the entry door has several surprises). I laughed alot. I hope you do too. I think we all need a little levity now.

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Joan

BEG, I've said it before and it is still true, you are a treasure and the backbone of this Guestbook. I can understand why imagezulu does not want to share you. But tell him we truly value the time you spend here. Maybe that will make him feel a little bit better.

Rob: I'm sorry to hear of your father in law's illness. My prayers for recovery. Nice to hear from you.

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JTull Fan

Subject: NJ Nets/Bruce Ratner/ Atlantic Yards

Brien/Steve0, see the above link for an extensive history. You may need to go to 'last page' for the latest updates. Incidentally, this is the same site Walter O'Malley originally hoped to move the Brooklyn Dodgers before he was forced to move to LA.

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Carol

Woodstock can be a very insular place, but it's hard to generalize and say the people there are "nice" or "not nice." It depends on your experience; some people like it, some people hate it. Also, some tourists are polite, and some are pushy and obnoxious. That gets old for the people who live there.

Like any town, Woodstock has a mix of people--nice people, nasty people, haughty snobs, etc. It does have an abundance of artists, free thinkers, and, of course, pseudo-hippies.

It is a gorgeous, magnetic place, though most of the Hudson Valley and the Catskill Mountain area is beautiful. Still, Woodstock does have its own vibe and a powerful aura. For the most part, I completely agree with Jeff's assessment. It is one thing to visit there, see the tourist sites, and to stay at a B&B or something; it is another thing to exist there day-to-day.

BEG--I just want to say that you are one of the sweetest people here; I hope you've never been the target of personal attacks. Nobody should be attacked for voicing an opinion, but especially someone who is always so fair and respectful of others.

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brown eyed girl

My Seaside Brown-Eyed Girl music video by Steve Forbert. I'm going to ask imagezulu to get this one for our anniversary at the end of this month (his work has now prevented us from going to Levon's show next weekend) or my birthday in December. My partner in life's name is in lower case as mine is in this Guest Book. He gave himself the name when he uses email or sells and buys on Ebay. He's also a photographer/teacher as I've posted before. He doesn't really like that I post because of personal attacks in all three Guest Books but I'm my own person so......I continue to make a fool of myself from time to time. ;-D

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JQ

I'm with you I think it's better that you don't vote; it's disgusting altogether.

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Rob Mitchell

Subject: Hello GB!

HOw is everybody doing? I have been very busy between teaching and playing. Also, my wife and I unfortunately found out that my father in law has mutiple myeloma. Basically, when I am not working I am playing and baby sitting with the kids. However, I still enjoy posting and seeing how all the good people are doing. When once again dealt with adversity, shit talking and bashing on the GB seems irrelevant. I lost my father and several family members to cancer and it touches me deep. Other than that struggle, life has been good. Phillies are in the world series. WOW! Never thought it would happen again. Ooh yeah, politically, I am completely disgusted with both parties and candidates. I dont know if I will even vote. I read a discouraging report that the odds of the 2000 election happening again are rather high. Except, Obama could win more popular votes than Gore and still lose the electoral vote. ALthough if I do vote it will be for McCain, I dont think this electoral vote should hold weight over the popular vote of the people. Anyways, has any collectibles or bootlegs of the Band or its members been released lately? Please let me know. THanks guys!

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NB

JeffOH! As I'm the first to admit, if I knew any less about computers I'd be Amish. But I'm just using the email at your contact page as per the way I've sent thousands of others. Methinks Northern Girl (aka "She Who Must Be Obeyed !") has somehow disturbed the computer by arranging things the other day so that all our work emails now come to our house as well. While I find posting one's GB entries from the workplace a completely acceptable practice, having one's work emails rerouted to one's home strikes me as altogether unseemly, and un-Canadian. Hence, it was an idea that I strenuously objected to. However, once again, as-per-always, I was solidly outvoted in this matter by the usual "one-to-one" margin. But I can assure you Jeff, I will get to the bottom of all this OR MY NAME'S NOT REALLY NORTHERN BOY!

B

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Joan

I too share Steve's curiosity (but I was a bit afraid to ask, lest I seem to nosy).

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Steve

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Peter V

Maybe when the Beach Boys sang about a "Woodie" it was short for Woodstock.

Jan … that Saab 9.3 Big Pink sold out very quickly. When I asked they only had the unusual amphibious 9.5 Before the Flood model.

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Steve

I liked Woodstock. It was a friendly enough place. The people who ran the B and B we stayed at the first time were very hospitable.

The second time we went we seemed to only hang out with out of towners who were there for the Ramble and they were great as well.

I didn't find it any different than the northern Vermont towns we have more experience with. Friendly and talkative.

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brown eyed girl

Lyrics and guitar chords for "Never Again Or Forever" by Rick Danko/Jules Shear.

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brown eyed girl

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 07, 2006 THE BAND - Tombstone: The Lost Album

"No one lasts forever Who would want to? But you’re too soon gone"

When I was in Saugerties (stayed at the Comfort Inn because of reasonable cost) and Woodstock during my March break four years ago I really enjoyed myself. imagezulu isn't into The Band so he wasn't affected the way I was but he did love the scenery as I did. When we were in the Woodstock Music Shop he also enjoyed listening to Levon's blues CD (apparently Levon had dropped in the day before and dropped off some of his CDS).

Since our trip wasn't planned....We ended up there after we were in NYC visiting one of my friends in Greenwich Village but her dementia had accelerated so much that we couldn't stay there. She no longer knew who I was even though the day before I had confirmed our trip......very sad for me to lose this friend who had been so kind to me over the years who originally was from Pennsylvania.

Anyway, I tried to at least locate most of The Band landmarks but unfortunately I wasn't able to visit Big Pink or see a live show or locate Rick's final resting place. imagezulu was so nonchalant about the whole adventure.....Remember he's a jazzzzzz man and bluezzzz man (Muddy, Shines, and so many others that I've never even heard their names before). We did enjoy the food at World Home Cooking where Richard Manuel performed and again....I had no idea at the time that we were eating at a most significant place in history for a Band fan! So cool! Anyway, if imagezulu didn't have to work next weekend again we'd be at Levon's show next weekend.

October 26, 2008 ~ Fall Farm Festival at John Gill's Farm Free concert Sunday, 2~4 pm

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Brien Sz

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Friend0

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Friend0

Hard to go wrong on Tannery Brook. The sound alone, like you say. The years the water is high & moving fast are especially nice. I'm glad you had a great trip, definitely the perfect time of year to be there.

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Fred

I give you....the Pontiac Acadian. One of my uncles had one (early 80s model)...it did seem like a piece of driftwood, albeit a scrap metal one!!

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Fred

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jh

Subject: "Ford Woodstock"

Peter, you do know SAAB has a limited edition convertible named after a certain house in West Saugerties? See link above.

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Peter V

Tourist areas have similarities in attitude to out-of-towners. Having been brought up in a seaside resort town, we called them grockles and cabbages when I was a teenager. I guess that's universal.

Anyway, I did wonder about the prediliction for car manufacturers to use tourist towns for names … the Ford Cortina, the Kia Sedona … there are more but the names escape me. Why no Ford Woodstock? Would it be an SUV? Or perhaps a wood-clad station wagon? Not a sports car or family saloon, I think.

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Jaynie

Even the venders at the weekend flea market are cheerful and friendly. One offered me a bag for the books I was carrying even though I didn't purchase anything from his table. I met an artist who was selling vintage books and some of the beautiful bracelets he had crafted out of different kinds of clay. We chatted both days I was there (my friend is a flea market freak) about The Beats, art, and the differences and similarities of our hometowns. When I was leaving, he gave me a hug. Where does that happen? :-)

As far as lodging goes, I've stayed in good and not so good. This year I stayed in a sweet little studio right beside Tannery Brook that was the closest to home I've ever experienced -- or better. There's nothing like falling asleep to the sound of a waterfall outside your window and waking to a breathtaking view of the mountains. Aside from being right in the heart of town and not a B&B -- which is not my thing -- the couple who owned the rentals treated us like friends from the minute we arrived. I will never stay anywhere else if I can help it. I can honestly say that I've found the people of Woodstock to be very warm and friendly.

BTW Jeff, Eric Andersen's show at the Unison Arts & Learning Center in New Paltz was wonderful. It was the first time I'd ever seen Eric perform and I'm so happy that he was appearing in the area while I was there. He did a nice selection of songs from his long career including "Blue River" and "Mary I'm Coming Back Home," which brought tears to my eyes and made me miss Rick even more. Brian Hollander joined him on stage with his dobro for a few songs and he was fantastic. Eric finished with "Thirsty Boots" and most of the audience sang along and gave him a standing ovation when he was finished. Eric evened signed my copy of "The Rolling Stone Book Of The Beats" which made my night! It was a great evening!

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Friend0

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Friend0

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Friend0

Main thing,you & Beth won't be there long. Just have a good time. Tell people you came from the west coast for the ramble, I'm sure they'll be kind and nice to you.

It's a gorgeous place. Just enjoy the crisp fall air, the scenery, the town. Joshua's is always a good bet for dinner in woodstock, as is the Bear. In the bearsville section of woodstock. Joshua's is right in town. In woodstock,woodstock that is., As opposed to Bearsville,woodstock, where The Bear is. Go past the Bear, that little neighborhood off to the left, low houses, that's Bearsville Flats, also in Bearsville, though it's in Bearsville, woodstock, which makes it in woodstock.

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Steve

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Friend0

I realized when i stayed there in 2002, The Millstream Motel may have already taken the name Inn By The Millstream. Now it is called something else again I think. Maybe woodstock Inn? Because of this and that, etc, the dog ban was lifted for Bandit & he received the royal treatment. In general though, when i used to stay up there, when I wasn't livin up there, I would stay at friends. Mixing was different, after 10 to 12 hours of mixing and editing with three other people, you don't want to necessarily have to be sociable if you don't want to. BTW, Bandit was in the studio the whole time. The Studio rottie and cattle dog were outside in large pens. The time I stayed at the Pinecrest, my girlffiend and her were daughter along. The problem was the gawd damn bathroom stunk to high heaven. we were gagging, couldn't even shower in there, went to my cousins in west Hurley to shower, stayed elsewhere the next night. I think the Holiday Inn. I stayed in there in 2004 a few nights too. Kinda funny, i had shot pool and hung at the Pinecrest bar late nights on & off for years. Had a lot of fun there sometimes. And never knew that about the cabins. Afterwards, found out it was pretty much common knowledge.

Mike & Kim, the Comeau Property, a damn good place to take the dog off the leash, or on the leash, let him or her hang with other dogs. It's dog central.

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Plochmann Lane

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Friend0

Dave, that bad experience was at what used to be The Pinecrest. And some of the cabins were known for having foul odors but i didn't know that till after i stayed there that one time in summer 94.

There's a lot to like about Woodstock, and a lot not to. That comes into play if you are thinking of moving there.And I think the same could be said about any place. But far as going to the area for a visit, it is a good place to go. Lodging, well, you are safe in the Saugerties Comfort Inn, (old locale of the Hojos, new building. Saugerties, the actual town, is east of that location. Go North you are in Palenville, go west to woodstock. Lodging in woodstock itself, I'm no expert. Rule out the Pinecrest, stay at the Millstream Motel. I don;t knwo what it is called today. The rooms are small, relatively rustic, but very clean. The staff was exceptionally nice. I stayed there for a week in 2002 when I was mixing at Applehead studios. It was still called The Millstream.

To know the town, you have to live there a while. Tourists are tourists, and when i lived there, tourists got treated well. But still tourists are tourists, even ina town that is largely supported by tourists. They will get treated well, but you can't expect people to stop their world for you . Weekenders got treated well, btu they were weekenders. Summerers got treated well, they were still summerers.

Winter came, you were still there, now you were townfolk. Would i suggest anyone move to woodstock?, it depends what you are looking for. Would i tell anyone that woodstockers practice peace, love, & understanding as a rule? Fuck no. Would I tell you a lt of woodstockers got the hippie rap down pat but would rob you blind in a second given the chance, hell yes? But. I ove the area, it is GAWD Damn gorgeous, and there are lots of talented and interesting people all thru it. More of the interesting stuff goes on behind the scenes.

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Plochmann Lane

Subject: Woodstock

We've loved our trips to Woodstock. We live in a region that is very similar in its dealings w/ fluctuating tourism that we're sure mimicks Woodstock's folks & visitors. Woodstock, like our region, has its wonderful & not-so-wonderful merchants, celebrities & visitors. But like w/ any place, we've found we have to try & experience everything about the area to appreciate it. We've experienced a number of Woodstock-related things to do & have a lot more to go: 160 Plochmann Ln; ctr-of-town visiting, shopping & eating; Rick's & Eli's grave sites; Byrdcliffe; Big Pink; Overlook MT; Bearsville; Rt 212 & Zena, Wittenberg, John Joy, Spencer, Cooper Rds, etc.; Ashokan Reservoir; & a number of other cool sites for different reasons. We agree w/ the tacky memorabilia stores though. We wish there were places that sold more wares relative to The Band, Dylan, etc, like Woodstock Music Shop, Woodstock Legends & Elliott Landy's gallery. We're not big on the typical Marley & Dead gimicky stuff, but we're sure it has its place & sellability. Besides Levon's, the beautiful views, etc, we benefit most from the Woodstock regions realism: all the local points of interest we rec'd from Jeff (aka - FriendO) that do & do not relate to new & old artists; Jan Hoiberg (aka - jh & webmaster); Brown Eyed Girl (aka - BEG); Tony LoBue (Levon's webmaster) & the Helmland online staff; Tom (another GB poster); John Simon; Jim Weider; Bob Andrews (MI); Carol Caffin; Danielle; Butch; numerous local merchants & many, many other folks we'd love to individually thank. Thanks to all of these folks, we've seen & experienced what the Woodstock area has to offer. The more we visit Woodstock & communicate w/ The Band-related folks, the more we learn & appreciate.

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daena (said dana)gallant

Subject: whatever i deside to talk about... hahhaha..

FREINDO: i don't care if you call me danish.i actually think it's kinda funny.i read that on garth's website ,but i don't remimber what the title of the interview was though .. i thought that garth's statement was interestin and a little funny to me..i think it's cool that the few times i've left a message here i've got a responce i think there was only one message that did'nt get a responce ...well i guess i'll go for now bye bye all .. daena was here today..

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Zzzz

Jan F, I respectfully disagree... I just love quirky little towns everywhere... especially as they seem to be disappearing... But maybe you are refering to lodging and I didn't stay there myself... but where Butch and others recommended... mostly for family fun reasons... I seem to recall MoeBoo sharing an experience of lodging displeasure but maybe John D sharing a more pleasant one... Anyway, we loved our visit... playing at the all-wood park at the local Elementary School near the golf course... enjoying the weekend market fair... especially the art... savoring the greasy, hard-to-cut-with-a-plastic-knife pizza... and strolling among the many shops both inside and outside in tents... The immediately surrounding area and offshoots, and countless other communities... make a visit to Woodstock... to be a Band fan's dream come true... The Woodstock Theatre shows I saw were wonderful... featuring Garth & Maud, Weegie, Rando and the Professor Louie... among others... We also took in a train ride... watched tubers on a river wishing we had more time... and a highlight was visiting the nearby World's Largest Kalediscope in the World (with some fun fun fun locals to boot)... I have a list of things yet to do... on my next visit to the area with my wife and kids... I guess I just posted because I didn't want any fans like JQ to think that a visit to the area... wouldn't be worth it... My dukes are not up btw and LOL, Jan F...

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Jan F.

J.F.

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JQ

Jan F - I've never been to Woodstock, why the negative tone (if I have that right) in your note; which I thank you for?

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Steve

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Steve

Hard to believe, Charlie Grievous Angel Angus, can be called the Dean Of Northern Ontario but when you've been elected 3 times in 4 years I guess you age, politically, in a hurry.

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Jan F.

Jan F.

Steve, any harvest pics this year?

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Bonk

Subject: Rosalind

What the hell is wrong with Roz's comments? She cracks me up with her wicked wit and at times icy tongue. Love it!!!

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Joan

Subject: Levi Stubbs

Levi Stubbs RIP.

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Bill M

Steve: You may have noticed in the papers that Frankie Venom, the amazing front man for Teenage Head (one of whose songs was covered by BARK as discussed last month) died of cancer the other day. Perhaps the best showman I ever saw - and I don't even like punk, as a rule.

Also, the dean of NOnt NDPers (having been elected once or twice before) is Charlie Angus, whose first brush with prominence was as a member of Andrew Cash's '80s band, "L'Etranger". As you can guess, it was all existential, art-school whining, but very good nonetheless. They should've called one of their EPs "More Songs about Buildings and Parents".

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Steve

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Steve

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rosalind

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brown eyed girl

Comrade Stevon Farm: Did you notice that our party received 17 seats in Ontario? imagezulu freaked me out this election when he told me that he didn't give his vote to the Conservatives....He goes both ways between them and the Liberals.......but he actually voted for the Green Party. I'm still learning about him..... :-D

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Bill M

"Brainless", "Mindless" and "screw" all in one paragraph: do I hear a rewrite of "Ferdinand The Imposter" coming on?

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Peter V

It's nearly every month in one of the glossy mags that an interviewee selects something with a Band connection.

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Brainless North of Seattle

Weird(,) Jeff. I'll go back to your site (plus Joan sent it my way). Good Gawd maybe Steve's right and Brainless does equal Mindless. Then I guess I'm screwed, and not in the good sense.

NB

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David P.

"You heard about the singing brakeman

You might have seen a singing cowboy too

I'm Joe the singing janitor

I'm at a theater near you" (--Junior Brown)

"I've got a crack team of plumbers too" (--Richard M. Nixon)

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Bill M

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Friend0

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Steve

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brown eyed girl

Basement Songs: Robbie Robertson, “What About Now” Thursday, July 17th, 2008 by Scott Malchus

Jan H: Is it possible that we could also see one of Robbie's recordings on the side bar of this site as all the other Band members' recordings are shown? I forgot to ask Norbert when he provided us with Little Pink. Thanking you inadvance! :-D

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Friend0

JQ, take your lovely bride to Wo Hops downstairs. There are two Wo Hop restaurants in Chinatown on Mott St. One is directly above the other. They have separate entrances. You want to go to the subterranean Wo Hop. As far as I know this is not a personal statement by the owner about heaven and hell. Unless you go at at off hours you may wait a while for a table, but on a weekinight you stand a better chance of not waiting. It is worth the wait. The atmospehere is plain, the food is exceptional. The t shirts are 6 bucks. The food is exceptionally exceptional. The place runs 24 hours. I've been going there since 85, but i have friends and relatives going there over 40 years.

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brown eyed girl

Levon Helm Ramble works, for the most part Ryman Auditorium, Nashville, September 17, 2008 Reviewed by Jeffrey B. Remz

The Roger Waters Interview was already posted on Little Pink

Hei Norbert....Remember when you were working on a webpage where you had me typing away? I guess JeffO was tapping into that image. It's true, true, true.....My manic side comes out on the computer. Not to worry everyone as I'll be in rehab soon to deal with my demons in The Band crack house. ;-D

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Rod

Great to see Roger Waters comments. I've always wondered why The Band were at the Wall concert.

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He Who Shall Remain Being Called Brainless

Jeffo: There's email for you over at "cousin moe" or "stooge music" or whatever your website is called.

Steve: You know full well I did TLV (The Last Vignette) here a long time ago and then retired from my stoopid little "litter-airy" forays. So that makes it a "won't do" or a "don't do", not a "no-Can-do". So as to avoid such a premature interjection in the future, think first and then speak. Besides, Jeffo and others wouldn't even remember vignettes and those who can are still trying to forget them, myself included. But strange you mentioned writing as an ex-Time Inc. editor that I know, now living in Birmingham, has actually been trying to talk me into writing a novel, as apparently this is what she herself is currently doing. I responded to this most inane of ideas by saying that "the gaining of eminent author status would only destroy the imminent author status that I've already spent a whole lifetime acquiring".

Her response to that was "great, I see you've got your first sentence". Now while I really like smart broads, just who needs them that smart ? Besides, who's she to talk to NB like that ? - freakin' Dorothy Parker ?.

For what it's worth (nothing), I'll be here on the weekend spewing forth ever-so knowledgeably about Albany, NY and Amos Garrett, despite knowing nothing on either topic. Wonder how that'll go ?

NB

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JQ

We're in town Wednesday, Thursday, Friday & Sunday. Thanks loads for the tip.

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Friend0

If you go , get there early, 6:15, 6:30, get a seat near the stage so you dont have to listen as much to the drunks. The sound in the room is a little weird, but this show is a treat. less you have something better to do, like a Broadway show, etc.

www.terrablues.com

www.steveguyger.com

Warning, in any of the tourist traps on Bleecker street, terra blues at the top of the list, watch the waitresses and your change very closely. Like Bama & myself, you may watch for thongs, but count yur change in front of the waitress. It is not unusual for the waitresses to short change heavily, and when you call em on it they just say sorry and give you the correct change. Don't even bother acting embarassed or very apologetic.

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Friend0

If that's the case, I'll see who is what, where and when. And though my days off these days are Sunday & Monday I'll see if i can get away to say hi if you like.

Actually, I think most people here would like to hear about your livestock, especially if they are musically inclined or derive noticeable pleasure from musical stimulation. Interpret that any way you want to, and that goes for you too Nutjob.

My dog Moe knew The Band's music. It was probably playing when I found him, and it was always playing. He was a brooklyn/ woodstock dog and he knew The Band's catalogue.

Goodnight folks

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Friend0

Pat is absent.

Westocaster Jones is gone.

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JQ

Hmm... I'm just not sure my trip it's all that interesting. But here goes: We (Beth & I) have not been able to travel together since 2001. For lots of reasons, but since 2004 it's because we went rural and have a load of beloved livestock. I have travelled a lot for work so we're shooting a big wad of points with 1st class travel and a good hotel in NYC - Beth's never been. Even with those credits we're likely to spend some big dough, for us at least. Levon's $300, maybe $400 - but I'm not complaining. If we could have got a rez at a quaint ($295) Woodstock B&B we would have done that, but it's the Comfort Inn in Saugerties. We're there from Wednesday next week until we go up to Woodstock on Saturday and then back in town for Sunday afternoon & night. So I'm very open & appreciative of any good nighttime recommendations. And we're both goose-bumped & fully stoked about the whole thing. And I'll provide a Ramble recap for the folks here.

Granted there's loads of music related topics to discuss here but I do miss the politics we used to have and I thought they were normally quite good and sometimes it was superb, better than I can get anywhere around here or on TV.I mean the world's economy has collapsed, it seems remiss not to at least mention that, eh?

That's my lot, more later.

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Friend0

See JQ, that link has something for all Band fans. References Levon, Levon & Emmylou, Evangeline, Larry Campbell's great mandolin work. Seems Levon, Larry & Jerry Douglas were the heart of the house band.

How's that for a real life fantasy band?

And Gawd Dang Ros Baby, they performed "If I Needed You."

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Friend0

I missed that interview, but I could sure see Garth saying that. Thanks Danish.

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brown eyed girl

"Let me live this day tall so that when night comes it will have mattered to

someone, somehow, that I lived at all."

"Having eyes

but not seeing beauty;

having ears

but not hearing music;

having minds

but not perceiving truth;

having hearts that

are never moved and

therefore never set on fire

These are things to fear."

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daena (said dana)gallant

Subject: whatever i deside to talk about... hahhaha..

i love music ..but only good ,and great music like the band ,bob dylan ,the rolling stones ,ect..i think it sucks that the band ever broke up now oviusly at the point where richard manuel ,and rick danko died they'd of had to done something differant if they had'nt broke up when they did ,but they'd of still been doing something musical inbetween time most likely ..but it is what it is ..i hope to one day be able to meet the three remaining once members of the band and their wives ,and ronnie hawkins and his wife ,and bob dylan ,and the reson i worded that way is i was reading an interview just reseantly were someone ask garth about the three remaining members of the band ,and he said well tecnicley there's onlt two remember robbie robertson quit, so that's why i worded my comment that way ..well bye bye all for now..daena was here today..

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Friend0

If people go out & see musicians perform, they can talk about it. Posters can talk about what they do in their daily lives that is music related,or has some connection to music, no matter how small, or something that may even tie in to The Band. You indicate that you travel. I imagine you have some interesting thngs happen during the course of your affairs.

And Gawd Damn, JQ, angie is braking her finger nails to give us these great links, there are things to talk about.

Hell, you could talk about getting goosebumps for that Ramble you will attend, or tell us if you are making a special trip, or if your boss is unknowingly paying for part of your travel expenses. Well, let me phrase that another way, maybe your boss is depositing you in that part of the country and it just happens to be convenient for you to attend. Like I said, there is plenty to talk about.

If you are still in these parts on the 28th, you want to go to SOBs , 11:30 PM, catch Jimmy Vivino and The Black Italians. That, or a blues show, is the way to see Jimmy. he's great with levon, and but it's different. Not the same. The Hubert Sumlin shows, with Levon on drums that's a great way to see Jimmy.

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Steve

Jeff there's nothing we could say about NB that would be an insult. He's either in hibernation or he's lamenting the fact he can't do his vignettes anymore. Always a GB favorite.

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roz

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rosalind

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JQ

I'm sorta lost now without being able to weigh-in here. I, for one, really liked our comments & debates at the old GB. Is there any way/place to go at it again?

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Friend0

Steve, Mike DeMicco also plays sitar on Sea To The North.

Steve, I'm wondering which one of us insulted Northern Nutjob and caused him to disappear.

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Joan

Subject: Rick's grave

Sorry, the other link didn't show directions.

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Joan

Subject: Rick's grace

This might be a bit maudlin, but I remember someone recently was trying to find Rick's grave so they could pay respects. From other photos I've seen, there is now a stone, but this will give directions.

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Rhythm Jimmy

The title track is an essential recording in the Dankography.

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brown eyed girl

"You know I've heard it said there's beauty in distortion. By some people who've withdrawn to find their heads Now they say that there is humor in misfortune You know I wonder if they'll laugh when I am dead

Why am I fighting to live if I 'm just living to fight? Why am I trying to see when there ain't nothing in sight? Why am I trying to give when no one gives me a try? Why am I dying to live if I'm just living to die?

Hey, you know some people say that values are subjective, But they're just speaking words that someone else has said. And so they live and fight and kill with no objective. Sometimes it's hard to tell the living from the dead.

Why am I fighting to live if I 'm just living to fight? Why am I trying to see when there ain't nothing in sight? Why am I trying to give when no one gives me a try? Why am I dying to live if I'm just living to die?

Yeah, you know I used to weave my words into confusion. And so I hope you'll understand me when I 'm through You know I used to live my life as an illusion, But reality will make my dreams come true.

So I'll keep fighting to live till there's no reason to fight And I'll keep trying to see until the end is in sight You know I'm trying to give so c'mon give me a try You know I'm dying to live until I'm ready 'til I'm ready .. 'til I'm ready .. 'til I'm ready to die."

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buflobobbr@yahoo.com

Subject: my opinion

"

"ok i was 60years old when i happened to see the last waltz on tv..loved the music and everything about the band really never knew it existed...so i started digging read everything i could...my favorite was levon..and i would just like to say i did not care for the way robbie handled the demise of the band..seems like all for himself..

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JQ

Brien Sz - I'm with you on your rating of Times Like These and the quality of Book Faded Brown - was Rick doing that song much in his later, solo shows?

I'd put Blind Willie McTell & Train of Love from the live record out there as a couple of big favorites from the later Rick era too.

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Steve

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Brien Sz

I always thought of Rick's last album as a double edged sword. When it came out, I was so glad that it did because it was a nice closing to his living chapter and because recorded solo work by him was so sparse.

On the other hand, it was also kind of a disappointment. Though I thought Times Like These was a worthy track of commercial playing time and had the opportunity at the time to discuss its merit with a drive time disc jockey for a prominent lite fm station here in NY (of which he no control over the playlist), the overall effort was not up to what I expected.

In my own selfish way, I wanted new material by Rick. What we got was a rehash of past glories (some of which were already second tier) and new material that I thought was average.

I love the song Book Faded Brown. It was our wedding song and Rick sang it for us at our wedding. It was beautiful. But for an album entry - was it really needed? Ripple, All Our Past Times, Chain Gang, This Wheels On Fire, Four Winds Blow? There was nothing new to these songs and Rick had been playing them on and off on his tours for years. For me, at least in the context of a "new" album, 6 covers was not exciting for me nor what I expected. I realize the album was finalized posthumously, but when I hear the delicate beauty and grace of that first track, I wanted more of that. That captured a great essence of Rick as a maturing artist. It held his gift for crafting a beautiful song so wonderfully and I am thankful for that track. But critically, the rest of album is a let down. Change is Good, You Can Go Home and People of Consciece aren't even strong enough songs to replace the weakest songs on any of the post LW band albums - IMO

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Ray

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Joan

Thanks for the great article about Times Like These. The album has a hopeful, yet melancholy feel. Knowing it is the last we'll get makes me sad. We should have had a lot more of Rick. He was one of a kind.

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Steve

The banker says he's broke...... Some things just never change. Sticking with the theme, Some Things Just Never Change and The Banker Says He's Broke, good to see it only took a week or so for those poor bankers with their pockets full of tax payers money to get back to living the life they've earned.

AIG has started spending hundreds of thousands of tax payers cash, living the life they're accustomed to. Good for them, it gives the rest of us the encouragement we need at this moment of crashing markets and impending hard times to keep our nose to the grindstone to keep the money flowing to the top.

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David P.

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dlew919

the thing I like about Cooder's version is that he (or someone else, and he liked the idea) changes the order fo hte verses, and it's a bit better...

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David P.

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Friend0

The Crows were Jimmy, Randy Ciarlante, & Mike Dunn. They later morphed into The Cromatix, with the addition of Prof Louie ( Aaron Hurwitz)& Levon. Did a bunch of shows at Joe's East in New Paltz,late 80s. Jimmy stayed in the band till around 2000 or 2001. JImmy has two bands these days. Pete Levin, Tony's brother,a keyboard player, very often performs in one of those. The other is a latin band

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Steve

Thanks BEG, postings like that remind me that there are still Band related albums out there that I should pick up. I'm especially interested in hearings Rick's version of Ripple.

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brown eyed girl

CAVE 17. A HAPPY SHOE IS A FOXY SHOE. HomeAbout Rick Danko - Times Like These

This was written by Justin Cober-Lake. Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008, at 5:05 pm.

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dlew919

Subject: Some other ones

Ry Cooder's version of 'How can a poor man stand such times and live?' still resonates today - Rev Garry ? did the original? Jeff? David P.?

Well the doctor comes around with his face all white

And he says in a little while y'all be all right

All he gives is a humbug pill

dose of dope and a great big bill

Tell me

How can a poor man, stand such times and live?

Well there once was a time when everything was cheap

But now prices nearly put a man to sleep

When we get our grocery bills

We just feel like making our wills

Tell me

How can a poor man stand such times and live....

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Joe, The Plumber Guy

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Todd

Subject: Songs For The Depression

From the Felice Brothers 'Rockefeller Drug Law Blues'

"I tried to keep my job at the dollar store

Found out my mom was sick and a dollar wasn't enough no more

I promise you Mama, I'm gonna get you them pills

I got me a box of bags and a baker's scale"

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dlew919

Subject: Music for the Depression

Aparently, Rudy Vallee commissioned 'Brother can you spare a dime' after the Republican President (and I'm too lazy to google) requested a song for the Depression... But: what about 'When You Awake' (Cold's gonna come and the frost's gonna bite/my old car froze up last night/ain't no reason to hang my head/ I could wake up in the morning dead) Or, 'Shape I'm In': 'I just spent 60 days in the jailhouse, for the crime of having no dough/Now here I am back out on the streets, for the crime of havin' no where to go...) Or 'Life is a Carnival/ believe it or not/ Life is a carnival/ 2 bits a shot' And of Course, Springsteen...

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Charlie Y

Subject: Songs for the New Depression

"Songs for the New Depression" was a 1976 Bette Midler LP featuring material ranging from "Strangers in the Night" to a Tom Waits song and even a duet with Bob Dylan on an UPBEAT version of "Buckets of Rain."

I'm just back from Austin and San Antonio and wish I could have stayed a little longer. Leon Russell did a couple of gigs in the area while I was there. I saw some great music memorabilia at Threadgill's and had some wonderful food at several places.

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JTull Fan

Can't leave off Woody Guthrie's catalog. Sorry if I missed somebody else's post if they mentioned him. But the way we are going, we can add any song the Britney Spears comes out with in the next year.

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Bill M

For some reason that reminds me that I fought off the urge to buy Canadian folkie Oscar Brand's early "Barroom Songs and Backroom Ballads" from the early '60s, meaning I still haven't heard the bound-to-be immortal "Blinded By Turds" - a title that fascinated me when I first spotted a shot of the album cover in the early '70s when I picked up a copy of the Jim Messina and the Jesters album on Audio Fidelity and the Oscar Brand was one of those shown on the back. I also stifled the urge to buy three Lefevre Family LPs that turned up at Goodwill - mostly because none had Mylon among the performing sons.

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David P.

SONGS FROM THE DEPRESSION -- The New Lost City Ramblers (Folkways mono LP) This great 1959 album, featuring Tom Paley, Mike Seeger & John Cohen, includes the following songs:

No Depression In Heaven / There'll Be No Distinction There / Breadline Blues / White House Blues / Franklin Roosevelt's Back Again / How Can A Poor Man Stand Such Times And Live / Keep Moving / Taxes On The Farmer Feeds Us All / Serves Them Fine / NRA Blues / Death Of The Blue Eagle / Join The C.I.O. / Old Age Pension / Sales Tax On Women / Wreck Of The Tennessee Gravy Train / Loveless C.C.C. / All I Got's Gone

JQ: I've really been enjoying the 2-disc version of "Tell Tale Signs" and give it 2-thumbs up!

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Steve

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rosalind

Hey Ringo? Wanker? Over Here..., Why didn't you just hire somebody to answer your friggin letters to begin with? All your friends do! What if all your fans say "As of October 21st, WE will no longer buy anything on the rack with Ringo's name on it?" Would that brighten your mean snotty ass up? Peace and Love

p.s. You're not exactly Brad Pitt ya know, you best savor them letters!

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Joan

Subject: Link to Ringo's video

Perhaps he's auditioning for a role in 'Cranky Old Men"

Peace and Love.

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Joan

Subject: Rngo's new version of the "No No Song"

I guess he is old enough and rich enough to so what he wants.

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JQ

Anybody else digging this as much as I am?

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David P.

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Steve

Might be time to hit the rods again in the near future so lets role out the hobo tunes everybody should know to wile away the miles in that rolling boxcar.

Hobo Jungle

Big Rock Candy Mountain

Hobo's Lullaby

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Peter V

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brown eyed girl

Jean: I have a book where I used to write poetry and include my fave quotes....so thanks for the thread that I can't seem to shake loose.

Here are a few I have in my room at work.

"If we removed all the art (performing and visual) in the lives of our children, there is no way that adding more math, increasing more reading, requiring more science, mandating more foreign language, or scheduling more computer courses could replace what they would have lost."

"I hear, and I forget

I see, and I remember

I do, and I understand."

Bob Marley poster with...

"Get up, stand up, stand up for your right

Get up, Stand up, Don't give up the fight

Get up, stand up, life is your right

Don't give up the fight"

Jan H...You're welcome for including the Garth and Maud photos from Lund, Sweden on your pictures site. I guess Robbiesonians are useful afterall. ;-D "Making a noise! Making a noise! You can bet your ass I won't go quietly!"

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rosalind

Howabout the whole entire "Ghost of Tom Joad" album?

Hey, it's time to read again! With the lights goin' off and the computers shuttin' down and everybody losin' their houses and squattin' where they can dig a hole fer a stew pot and share a blanket by the fire... Make your choice.. depending on which depression is more prevalent at the time, you can read either John Steinbeck or Janet Frame!

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roz

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Peter V

David, you shouldn't open all those SPAM e-mails. Don't believe them. It's not how big it is, it's what you do with it that counts.

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Joan

Subject: new book by Maureen Mccormick aka Marcia Brady

I include this only because of her mention of partying at Sammy Davis Jr.'s house. I doubt it was when our boys were there.

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JTull Fan

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David P.

The music business nowadays seems to pay more attention to the top grossing concert rankings in Forbes than they do to the critical reviews in other magazines. And now even Rolling Stone has officially gone small, in a world where size matters.

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JTull Fan

Subject: Roundabouts and Fallen On Hard Times

For depression songs, I'll add Jethro Tull's Fallen On Hard Times, linked above, from the Dave Pegg era. My neighborhood recently had a roundabout installed at its' entrance and it has created all sorts of confusion. I like it as it slows traffic and if you forgot something at home you can easily enter it and turn around. Some people though think you just stop at it like it is a stop sign and you have to honk at them. One person finally gave up their individual civil disobedience of driving right through it and over the landscaped interior. Maybe they finally got arrested for vandalism.

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Friend0

I find it holds true for so many things. Small contractors can do better work. Usually , when they try expand beyond a certain point, the workmanship goes right down the shitter. When the eye is towards expansion and minimaliaztion of investment, effort and expense, things go right down the shitter. And it is the rare small business, that makes the proper investment of effort & expense to really expand properly., It can be done , of course, it has been done, But it aint the case most of the time no more. Most everyone wants fame & fortune. Especailly true of so many muscians or musical acts.

Were we talking about music?. Well, I lll tie this back in later, maybe. Gotta run.

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Todd

Subject: Rock & Roll

I saw this extract in the current issue of Rolling Stone magazine. It’s from an interview with Chrissie Hynde of the Pretenders. Words of wisdom….I think she has a good point.

R.S. How would you describe the current state of rock?

C.H. It used to be a secret between the audience and the artist. But I think a lot of bands turned it into a sport, like, “We want to be the biggest band in the world and play in the biggest places!” It just got all flabby and stupid. Musicians started going to gyms, and it was all about choreography. That’s not my cup of tea. Think small – that’s my motto.

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Friend0

Worst places I've seen to get on & off the highway, Minneapolis, and oklahoma City. Lots os Minneappolis esxit and entrance ramps seem to be way too damn close together. I mean a few car lengths and that's it.

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Brien Sz

Here in NJ, Roundabouts are called Circles. They were quite common at one point but as populations grew and folks apparent confusion as to how they work, most have been eliminated. They have been restructured into giant intersections - sometimes for the better, sometimes (space dependency seems to really determine this) they are more of a nightmare than before. There are still a few left here and there. In upstate NY in the town of Ticonderoga they have one and works remarkably well. It does so because the population small and the traffic relatively light, signs posted properly, so the ebb and flow of it works very well.

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Peter V

… or "The Walls Came Down" by The Call featuring Garth Hudson.

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Jean

There is no link to Knockin' Lost John - I typed in the wrong place.

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Jean

Knockin' Lost John

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brown eyed girl

1. Brother Can You Spare a Dime (Rudy Vallee)

2. Nobody Told Me (John Lennon)

3. Hard Knock Life (Jay-Z)

4. I and I Survive (Bad Brains)

5. Fake Empire (The National)

6. Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now (The Smiths)

7. Help! (The Beatles)

8. Tangled Up in Blue (Bob Dylan)

9. Small Axe (Bob Marley and the Wailers)

10. Enter Sandman (Metallica)

11. No Cars Go (Arcade Fire)

brown eyed girl's list...

To Hell With Poverty...Gang Of Four

I Fought The Law...The Clash

Pressure Drop...Toots and The Maytals

Them Belly Full(But We Hungry)...Bob Marley and The Wailers

So Much Trouble In The World...Bob Marley and The Wailers

Money's Too Tight To Mention...Simply Red

Walls Come Tumbling Down...Style Council

There Is Power In A Union...Billy Bragg

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Peter V

(One for the Yes fans). There's a book around that's been extracted heavily in the newspapers about road signs … I'm not sure whether it's English or American as it has examples of both, but there are photos taken from cars where up to TWENTY road signs are visible, and experiments in a village in Holland and a busy street in London indicated that removing the vast majority made people drive more safely and reduced accidents. One of the points the extract made was the accident toll from traditional American four way junctions compared to European roundabouts, which is one of those spectacular figures. It is what you're used to, though. Those four way junctions terrify me because priority (who arrived first) is subjective and open to later debate. On roundabouts you give priority to vehicles already on them.

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brown eyed girl

I apologize for not including photographer's name of the Garth and Maud photos in Lund May 2008. Photographer Max Adolfsson. Thank you!

"They say it takes a minute to find a special person,

an hour to appreciate them,

a day to love them,

but then an entire life to forget them."

"Do not value the THINGS you have in your life...

But value WHO you have in your life!"

"I've learned that people will forget what you said,

People will forget what you did,

But people will never forget how you made them feel."

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Jean

You're supposed to stop? My main experience with rotaries (as I believe they're called here) is trying to get onto Cape Cod in Massachusetts. I've always thought the yield signs were an inside joke. If you yield or stop you'll spend your entire vacation going around in circles.

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Peter V

On the James Last … first muzac was traditionally designed not to interrupt your thoughts, so it wouldn't qualify on dynamic range etc, BUT if you were in an elevator and it stuck and its song replayed, it would be preferable to (say) Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep or Knock Three Times which would induce insanity after two hours. The Last is merely a misguided and very bland version of a very good song.

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Friend0

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rosalind

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Bashful Bill

Subject: Tull&Steve

On Sunday mornings our classic rock station does a 3 hour show playing a lot of older deeper cuts of artists from Dylan, Van, Bruuuuce, Joni, Cockburn, occasionally even a bit of Gram. The Band is usually represented every week - the DJ is pretty fond of NLSC, but has been known to go as deep as Share Your Love or Unfaithful Servant. Classic rockers folkier stuff, often acoustic but certainly not always. For a couple years they used Levon's opening mandolin notes from Atlantic City in promos for the show & to segue from commercials back into the show, & the song is occasionally played.

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Steve

A segment of Remedy is used by our local CBC breakfast show to introduce interviews at least once a week, it always catches my attention.

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David P.

Muzak and other similar services providing background music for stores & offices have evolved over the years. Nowadays they're basically a satellite broadcast service that allows subscribing businesses to customize the music by genre or mood. And also, the music recorded by the original artists is available, instead of the lame cover versions piped in elevators back in the day.

As an example -- several years ago, my local Publix supermarket featured "Remedy" by The Band, "8:05" by Moby Grape and "Moondance" by Van Morrison in heavy rotation.

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Bill M

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Brien Sz

Subject: Joan Baez and the Muppets

Link to the Muppet Show with Joan Baez doing TNTDODD

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JTull Fan

Possibly more Band music could have been converted to elevator music back in the 70's, but there is no longer a market for it. Why? Because on several recent trips to the local Kroger grocery store I found myself on various days enjoying The Band's Life is a Carnival, Pink Floyd, The Band version of Remedy, Joe Walsh, Jethro Tull's Bourre, and many others piped into the store. Then I realized the downside: The fans of these songs and artists have now slipped into the demographic that Elevator Music had been aimed at. So Pink Floyd and such is no longer the rebellious outlet to listen to in your parent's or friend's basement while toking on something, but what you listen to while picking out the best head of lettuce or squeezing the Charmin.

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Bill M

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Joan

OMG! I just listened to the first chorus and I think my ears are bleeding I must go listen to the original to purge that.

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James Last "doing" Dixie

Subject: jh

Click link above. Enjoy, music lovers.

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Bill M

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jh

Subject: Elevator music

Bill M wrote:

"Speaking of muzak, it always surprises me how little Band material was used recorded for elevator play. I've yet to find a single song an a James Last or Klaus Wunderlich LP, and I've looked."

Tsk, tsk, Bill. You, of all people, should know where to look. Check link above :-)

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Bill M

JH: Sorry I neglected to provide at least the serial number: 477-5139. Will try scanning the covers for you.

Speaking of muzak, it always surprises me how little Band material was used recorded for elevator play. I've yet to find a single song an a James Last or Klaus Wunderlich LP, and I've looked.

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jh

Bill M., can you please send us the details for that LP with the MOR-style UOCC cover, for inclusion in the archives here? Thanks.

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Peter V

The first Rolling Stones British EP was a major inspiration and I bought my copy when it came out … delighted to see one found its way to a good home in Atlanta. There is an attitude that Jagger had then that really fitted You Better Move On. I knew it before the original Arthur Alexander and it remains the definitive version for me.

I’ve had a week of many vinyl finds, but the one I’m enjoying most is Club Nitty Gritty by Chuck Berry, his first Mercury single. It’s slightly sad in that Chuck has decided to go for that Stax / Atlanta groove, but with his band it sounds extremely thin … not lacking in feel, just thin. Also the club in question is one of the new “discos” springing up in 1965, and Chuck shows his age by mentioning doing the twist there in the lyrics. I also found Chuck’s 1979 Atlantic single Oh What A Thrill.

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Jean

Joan - They're very slow to open - at first I thought I couldn't open them either but eventually it worked.

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Little Brøther

Nice to find the Guestbook open for bidness again.

Now if we could only get Robbie, Garth & Levon to work together! Um, just kidding... sort of.

Two Band-related comments covering the past five years:

#1.) In 2005, I moved from my apartment after 20+ years and into a (small) house. I jokingly mentioned to a friend that I had to buy two headphone cord extensions so I could listen to my stereo while at the kitchen sink. My friend said, "It's a HOUSE-- why do you need headphones?"

Next morning I considered her advice, and cranked up Disc Three of the "History" set. I just happened to walk past my front door during "Slippin' and Slidin'", and noticed a silhouette that looked an awful lot like a cop-- I hadn't heard the bell ring. I jumped a mile!

He was very pleasant, just said "way too loud"-- they'd gotten a call from a neighbor. Busted! I felt like a teenager. Switched back to the headphones next day-- now I have a little music player to protect me from unwanted brushes with The Law.

#2.) I don't know why they didn't include the "long version" of "To Kingdom Come" on the original "Music from Big Pink". I especially like the timbre of Garth's instrument-- I want to say "organ", but who knows?-- along with the usual superb musicianship.

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Joan

For some reason my computer won't open the link. It seems that no one else had any problem. Oh well.

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Bill M

Subject: another cover of UOCC / Irwin Stambler book

A visit to the local Value Village yielded the Laurie Bower Singers' version of "Up On Cripple Creek" on their "Look What We've Done to These Songs, Ma" LP (Canadian Talent Library, 1970?). I haven't listened to it yet, but it'll be very MOR, having been recorded by/for a couple chains of what were then MOR radio stations, the most important being CFRB, which is where our own John D now works. (Apparently the stations got into making their own records because they had trouble finding enough commercial produced Canadian muzak with which to fill their CanCon obligations.)

The album also includes two songs written by Robbie Robertson's former group-mate (Consuls and Suedes), Gene MacLellan, two by the Paupers' original lead singer, Bill Misener, and one by Bachman-Cummings.

Speaking of the Guess Who, life also tossed my way a copy of Irwin Stambler's 1970 book, "Guitar Years: Pop Music from Country and Western to Hard Rock". Has a positive and accurate half page on our guys, followed immediately by the following statement: "Canada's new eminence in the rock field is underscored by the Guess Who" (get a bit more than a half page).

David Clayton Thomas also puts in an appearance, though I wouldn't have mentioned it if it weren't for the following insight, which I would draw to the attention of Bumbles, a notorious disliker of the blues: "Not many white singers are really into the blues thing. They think blues is supposed to bring you down. Blues is like getting up in the morning and sticking your foot in the toilet. It's terrible when it happens, but it's somehow funny when you tell about it later."

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bob w.

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Steve

BEG, wonderful photos of Professor Hudson and Maud. I think it might be the first time I've seen the prof, miked. I bet you it's not only on but is turned up to 11.

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David P.

This is one of my best finds at used record stores:

THE ROLLING STONES (1964 Decca UK mono 45 EP with laminated cover) Songs include:

Bye Bye Johnny

Money

You Better Move On

Poison Ivy

"You Better Move On" was later included on the 1965 U.S. London LP "December's Children (And Everybody's)".

Correction to my post yesterday regarding the second Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section. It was Jimmy Johnson, who was the guitarist in that group that left Rick Hall's FAME studio in Florence and started their own studio in Sheffield. Eddie Hinton also became a part of the house band there.

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sadavid

Subject: lists

Thanks to BEG -that first photo of Garth is fantastic - all credit to the photog, but you have to admit, for a guy that hogs the shadows, Mr. Hudson is very photogenic.

Thanks very much to Simon for the Robert Johnson link. Poking about the _Vanity Fair_ site, I got suckered by their "25 best of" lists. These things are always kind of silly, but I note that _The Last Waltz_ and _Don't Look Back_ both feature in the Top 25 Documentary films. And Sir John Tenniel figures in two lists, so there's some taste at work here . . . .

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Steve

Have Republican rallies really started degenerating into chants of " Kill Obama?" Northern Boy, you shall no longer be referred to as,He who shall remain brainless, from these quarters. No quid pro quo required. Carry on as before.

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Deb

Jeff, Johnny Shines spent his last years in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. When I was in college there in the 70's he frequently played there and in Birmingham. After he had a stroke in the early 80's he still toured occasionally with a guy named Kent Duchaine. The stroke affected his playing some, but his voice was still powerful.

His daughter Carroline is a wonderful blues singer and a delightful person. She lives in Tuscaloosa and is a teaching artist with the Alabama Blues Project (link above), an after-school and summer program where kids learn to play and sing the blues. I know that sounds like a weird construct, but I visited an after school session a few months ago and it's really impressive. The music component is great and the program involves kids from all parts of the city and county, giving them the opportunity to play together and get to know each other.

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brown eyed girl

More Garth Hudson Photos

LIVEBILDERBESÖKARERECENSIONERBLOGGAR 2008-05-06 - GARTH HUDSON från Universitetsaulan / Akademiska

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dlew919

Thankfully, that's my first time ever being wrong here. (embarrassed silence)

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Friend0

I'm pretty sure Shines lived out his time in Chicago, but Dyers, younger also, moved to L.A. Still recording with the Mannish Boys and Hollywood Blue Flames.

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Friend0

"When the blues
come to stay
They go deep inside.
Like a close friend
They stay deep inside.
See the blues
never leave
They just go
deep inside."

Verse 3 From The Blues Don't Knock. (c) 2005 J. Alexander, J. Johnson, R. McDonough. Lyrics, Alexander. Music, A, J & M.

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dlew919

Subject: Simon

Thank you for posting that great article. I thought Johnny Shines was still alive, so he could have been asked, but he's not, so .... I'm not sure it's Johnson, but you need to see the ears to b certain. Thanks again!

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Simon

Subject: Robert Johnson photograph

Thought this might be of interest ... a fascinating 5 page article from the November Vanity Fair about a 'new' snap of RJ. Dig those elegant fingers.

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Joan

As I pointed out, I was not the genius who found the link. I am only passing it on. BEG still wins. I agree with your analysis. It would have to be done right or not at all.

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Friend0

Bama, who doesn't read my posts,can discuss everything that's in em. I really expected more from you.

Westocaster "Too Soon Gone" Jones may still have my email address.

what the hell. cousinmoe(nowswitchtonumeric)fiftyeight(nowswitchback)atayeoheldotcom

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David P.

Putnam, Briggs & Carrigan later joined their friend Billy Sherrill to achieve even more success in Nashville and David Hood, Roger Hawkins, Barry Beckett and Eddie Hinton replaced them as the FAME "house band".

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NB

Not knowing of the existence of your contact page, its name or even your last name are the only excuses I can offer for not contacting your contact page, Jeff. Admittedly flimsy, but they're all I have.

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bob w.

A quick recommendation...Otis Redding -"Live in London and Paris". Every Otis Redding fan should have a copy.

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David P.

Another Band connection: Norbert Putnam, who produced Joan Baez's hit version of TNTDODD, played bass on Arthur Alexander's original version of "You Better Move On".

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bob w.

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Friend0

Joan, that Rick film link you put up, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and risk hurting Angelina's feelings, but finding that one, wihtr just one link, I venture you may have dethroned Mrs Jimmy Dean, the link queen. :-)

I must say, I don't like Luke's concept, for the film. Rick did come from a gang of guys, but he was not alone after the last waltz. Things were different, but he was not alone. If the film just portrayed his life, and the events, that's one thing. But Luke inidcated he thought peaking inside Rick's head back then would show he was all of a sudden adrift and had lost his identitiyt. First I say bullshit. Rick might have been shot out of a cannon sometimes, but he never seemed to be short on self awareness, or a fool. I'm not thinking Luke;s approach is possible, that it is something that someone can do and portray it honestly and accurately. if it was going to be objective, and just portray events as they unfolded, that's one thing, but to get psychological, would be bullshit. If rick was alive, and wanted to advise them, one thing, but other than that, or wives and close friends advising very heavily, it's bullshit.

Also, Rick was not alone, He was surrounded. Blondie, Butterfield, etc etc. Those three were a troika if there ever was one. So, yes, he wasn't part of The Band right then, but he wasn't alone. And hadn't lost his identity.

Luke must be a misguided Danketeer. His heart is in the right place, but he don't know what the fuck he is talking about.

Next thing ya know, he' d hire Don Henley to be the musical director of the film.

Somebody stop that man!

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Peter V

David: glad to see discussion of Levon's latest. I think the new version is a fabulous arrangement with an excellent lilt to it, and well-sung. But I'm going to be ageist here … it doesn't fall well from such a mature voice. It made me go to Mick Jagger (then around twenty) and it sounds right from him, and from Arthur Alexander who would have been older, but not that much older. There's a thing about lyrics and age. Even if it's your greatest hit, I don't think teen angst falls well from someone in their mid sixties. And that applies to covers too.

Birthday greetings to Sam Hultonfield. Actually, I've never met him, and none of you have either, and I'm not exactly how sure how old he is, but I saw in today's local paper that it was his birthday. So! Well done, Sam. Have many of them!

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bob w.

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Joan

David, I can't speak for the other Dankettes, but Owen Wilson doesn't do it for me.

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David P.

Joan: Luke Wilson also has a Dylan connection of sorts through his role as Bobby Cupid in "Masked and Anonymous". Some might say that his older brother Owen would be a good choice for the role of Rick.

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NB

I'll be back later, probably with an address. Norm on your email list ? I must warn you though Jeffo, I'm nowhere near as exciting in person. In fact I've been told more than once I have a face that's instantly forgettable - even while you're still looking at it ! (See how this making NB look stupid thing is done Steve ?)

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Joan

Subject: Luke Wilson on a Rick Danko Movie

This clip was posted elsewhere. An interesting concept, Of course no one they picked to play Rick could come close to the real thing. No Tina Fey Sarah Palin matchup for sure.

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NB

I couldn't find Mike The Headless Chicken, whose mental functioning allegedly resembles mine. But I did find a certain Mike From Canmore whose mental functioning most certainly resembles yours. So thanks for the tip.

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David P.

Jan F. & Deb: Remember, the college football ranking that counts the most, the BCS standings, will first appear this season next Sunday, October 19th.

I've really been enjoying Levon's version of Arthur Alexander's "You Better Move On" from the Imus Ranch Record. He & his band add a little lilting riff, featuring fiddle & accordion, to the melody. With the exception of the Big & Rich song, I like everything on this compilation to some degree.

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Friend0

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Steve

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Friend0

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DEE

Subject: Happy Thanksgiving

Best Wishes to all Canadians!

Now, when is Leif Erikson Day?

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Plochmann Lane

Subject: Remebering Bryson McCabe - a young Band fan.

We are mourning the untimely loss of 16-yr old Bryson McCabe, a young Band fan who assisted Rick Danko's niece, Danielle, w/ her Rick Myspace page. The link to his guestbook memorial is included above. He is also memorialized on Danielle's Rick Myspace page & on Carol Caffin's Rick blog. May he be remembered well.

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Plochmann Lane

Subject: Happy b'day Jan Hoiberg!

Happy b'day to the man, not the myth, Jan H!

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Deb

That would be "discourse".

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Deb

Happy Birthday, if a bit belatedly, Jan H. and Happy Thanksgiving to those of you in Canada.

I've been spending more time on the political pages, too, so I won't be tempted to engage in inappropriate discorse here. :o) See y'all next month!

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Joan

A very Happy Birthday and many more healthy and happy ones.

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Jan F.

Happy Thanksgiving to those north of our border -

. . . and last, but not least, a big ROLL TIDE to Deb (& Mr. Steve) as their football team didn't have to play this weekend, but may still be #1 in the rankings!

Back to the political forums -- 22 days to go. J.F.

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rosalind

Quit worshipping other human beings and go have yerself some turkey .... ;D!

Nice photographs.. Wonder who done Levon's teeth? Boy, they's nice'ins

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brown eyed girl

I give thanks and praises to Garth Hudson.

Artist: Garth Hudson Album: Garth and Maud Hudson Live at the WOLF Track: International Medley

I give thanks and praises to Maud Hudson....especially for her cover of "Baby, Don't Do It".

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brown eyed girl

I give thanks and praises to Richard Manuel.

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brown eyed girl

I give thanks and praises to Levon Helm.

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brown eyed girl

I give thanks and praises to Robbie Robertson and Rick Danko.

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Friend0

NB, better hurry up. Jimmy and Mike Merritt move to L.A. soon. You can bet that when they visit NY afterwards The Black Italians will play, but right now they are playing every chance they get.

October 28th at SOBs, 11:30 PM, Nov 13 the at The Cutting Room, 9:45. I'd be honored to meet you anytime you arrive here, take you to the show, introduce you to the band and lunatics I'v e known for over twenty years, all of us going to see Jimmy play since 1985 or 6, some people even longer. I returned to NY in 85.

Flatbush ave is a long ave. Goes from one end of Brooklyn to another, ending at The Manhattan Bridge on one end, the Jamaica Bay at the other. I live down near the Jamaica Bay end. Your folks probably lived not far from Church Ave, Ablemarle Road area, Ditmas, Erasmus. A little closer to my end of Flatbush than the other. A nd not terribly far either. the area you describe changed a lot 30 to 35 years ago.

I've frequented that area my whole life, sometimes it was more advisable than others. Lots of good working class people in there always & still, from all over the globe, good place to get oxtail, roti, etc. Time of day, who you are with, how you behave, and luck all have a lot to do with whether or not you get cut or machine gunned. People from more hipster areas are starting to move in to the fringes of there again. Things keep going the way they are, working people won't have a place to live in brooklyn in fifteen to thirty years.

Steve, capitol, capital, or not,NY is it's own category. It ain't anywhere near as good as it used to be but there is only one. Personally I wish people would stop wanting to move here. But Amanda is always welcome. You are too, but I think finding a place for the herd whould be difficult.

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NB

Don't try to make me look stupid(,)Stevon ! I insist on having all the fun of doing that myself and, Thanksgiving or not, I have no plans to share that with anyone. FYI: Brainless, doesn't mean mindless. You should've been able to deduce this by my constantly demonstrated ability to talk and think circles around the likes of you. Get back to me after you solve GB paragraphing.

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Steve

To He Who Shall Remain Brainless, NYC is not a European capital, it's not even an American capital, and now that it's no longer even a center of capital you don't have to include it on your tour of world capitals. Though it would be a capital idea to link up with Jeff to see Les Italiens Noires.

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Northern Boy

On behalf of posters from Northern Nation, Northern Boy thanks you two down in the 11th province, or Southern Canada as JeffOH! calls it, for your Thanksgiving best wishes. I'm not sure that thinking is really the fort eh ? of many Canuckleheads anymore, if you know what I mean. But some of us do still realize that we have much to be thankful for.

Hey, Jeff. When I eventually get to NYC, on your say-so I'm definitely going to try to see Jimmy V. and the Black Eye-talians. I'd also like to look up where my folks lived and oldest brother was born during WW2. This would be near Flatbush Ave. in Brooklyn. Uncle Miltie Berle and I believe Henny (take my wife- PLEASE) Youngman lived in my folks' neighbourhood. Mom says it was a great neighbourhood then. Would I necessarily get murdered if I went there now ? Although I've been to many European capitals, strangely I've never been to NYC so sorry if my question is idiotic or offensive.

STEVE: Just the usual seasonal caution. Stay clear of turkey so the gendarme don't chuck you in the slammer for cannibalism.

NB

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Friend0

It's a Canucki Holiday for jimminy's sake.

Knock it off, and no gosh darn politics.

And JH coulda been born in 58 , and pushing 50. It's been known to happen.

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Another 59 Model

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Friend0

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rosalind

Oh My God! I ain't got nuthin' prepared!

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Joan

To all my fellow posters from Canada, I just want to wish you a Happy and Blessed Thanksgiving. May the coming year be filled with joy and many reasons to be thankful. We will prevail and come out of these hard times on top.

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brown eyed girl

Here's what I mean about Steve Forbert....Both he and Garland Jeffreys never got their just rewards but they've rewarded me so much....so much.....:-D

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brown eyed girl

Steve Forbert and Middle Age. I just adore him. I ran into Blind Willie McTell at Hugh's Room at one of his gigs. He's so good that he can just get up on stage with another guitarist and Steve will use his cowboot to keep the beat and his songs do all the talking. Mr. Maximus took photos of us as he signed one of my CDS. I will have to see him again the next time he's here. It was his music as well as Robbie's "Shine Your Light" that helped me during a grieving period in my life. I love you Steve.

Judy: Hold on and think about the one who gave you much joy at one time.

I'm thankful this Thanksgiving weekend for my family, friends, music, books, children who hug me and love me unconditonally and the posters in here who have shown kindness and appreciation. We're going to imagezulu's Ma's home tomorrow and then to Mr. Maximus' home on Monday. Both men I guess dig me and I dig them.

I've decided that since imagezulu always seems to change our plans to see Levon.....I'll go on my own the way I used to because although I've seen him perform many times I've never heard him sing live. Jan F and Bashfull Bill...How about a Band get together in NYC or Toronto?

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sadavid

this from _Globe and Mail_ 10 Oct, by line Guy Dixon:

"Toronto -- Rufus Wainwright's much anticipated first opera, Prima Donna, won't be staged in New York, as once expected, but in Manchester, England. Sung in French and set in Paris, the opera will be staged as part of the Manchester International Festival from July 10-19 next year.

Wainwright had once been in talks New York's Metropolitan Opera, which commissioned the work, but those talks fell through after the Met insisted the work be in English. The Met reportedly also couldn't mount the opera until 2014."

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Charlie Y

Subject: Speaking of Austin...

I never knew our webmaster ever lived in the Austin area (or even the US, for that matter). I'll be visiting there this weekend and spending some time in San Antonio, too, so thanks again to everyone here who gave me all those Texas tune titles a year or so ago. I don't think any state has more songs than Texas.

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Linda

On Judy's behalf, I would like to thank all of you for your good wishes and kind words. I am sure she will thank you herself when she is back on her feet. I know she greatly appreciates your thoughts and prayers and your concern for her will raise her spirits tremendously. Thanks again.

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rosalind

I wish Judy a quick recovery. I'm having a rather slow recovery as I still have a narrow but deep hole in my stomach where my belly button used to be. I have to go back to a one-piece bathing suit now. That would probably be a good idea anway since I'm almost fifty. I won't elaborate any further.....

Would like to know what happened to Empty Now? Dave Z? Jerry? Mr. Donabie? Mr. Donabie, are you okay?

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Bumbles

A typically cloddish misreading on your part, STEVE. Bumbles thought the glimpse the “Eliza’s Horoscope” piece gave of the Band’s decision-making process and JR2’s role in it, circa 1969, was striking. The same thing struck him the first time he read the article. (That "brains of the Band" bit shows promise, though. It could catch on.)

On another subject, the backslash is a tricky little bugger, but if you keep looking you’ll find it on your keyboard. When you do, the brave new world of paragraph-making will open up for you.

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Deb

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rosalind

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Steve

BUMBLES, say it ain't so, say you really weren't STRUCK by what you've been pointing out to us as being SO OBVIOUS all these years./n Of course we all know who thought he was the brains behind The Band but we also all really know who was the brains behind the Band and they ain't one and the same.

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jh

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roz

"The black crow's a screamin'
The yella sun's warm
The grass tumbles tall down the hill
There's a cold wind a buildin
It's bringin' a storm
When the call of the black crow goes still
When the call of the black crow goes still."

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Norbert

Roz, about Townes van Zandt thanks. You' ve got a big mouth that's why the posts are gone ... but I know you' ve got a heart of gold as well ... that's why I love you. I can also understand that it takes some time to see the light ;-)

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Kevin J

Linda: When Judy is ready, roll a tv/computer or radio close, put on some Band music and PLAY IT LOUD.

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Joan

Poor Judy has suffered a great deal recently. My thoughts and prayers go out to her and hopes for a good recovery.

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Friend0

By the way, Angelina's , or BEG (F)'s, method of naming, can get awful complicated. If I'm Hazel Eyed Guy, that is HEG, rather close to Heggie to not get confusing. So I'll settle for HEF, Hazel Eyed Friend0.

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dlew919

Hope she recovers soon

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Linda

I would like you to keep Judy in your thoughts and prayers. She recently suffered a heart attack and is quite ill. Thanks.

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Nothern Boy

Should've be " I Ain't Got No Home". I guess non-divergent thinkers miss these obvious Band connections. But I'm here for you Steve, when your fact-encumbered brain's not up to the task.

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rosalind

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dlew919

Is that right about Canada? I guess it is...

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Steve

The country that exports more music to the rest of the world per capita than any other nation is having a hard time finding a permanent home for it's Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame. A Toronto developer had a plan to put up a home for the hall but it once again has fallen through.

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Far East Man

Subject: Happy Birthday!

John Winston Lennon "You shoulda been there..."

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Friend0

Subject: All For The Hall

Sounds like a mighty big show.

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dlew919

Thanks for the clip! Certainly young James Page from Epsom, Surrey conducted some biological and chemical research later in his life! I wonder what happened to the other blokes.

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Peter V

Any of you know much about this group? They did "Smokey Joe's La La" in 1965 and their tracks have been appearing on Ace's brilliant "Mod Jazz" series of CDs. Smokey Joe's La La is very similar to Cannonball Adderley's "Mercy Mercy Mercy" and the Cannonball era that influenced the Yonge Hawks on Young Street. Shit! This Canadian spelling is getting me confused.

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Bumbles

Buddy Guy, who’s notched a fair share of GB mentions recently, also has a supporting role in “In the Electric Mist,” although it’s doubtful that the renowned bluesman will be playing one of Levon’s fellow Confederates.

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roz

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David P.

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Joan

Subject: Martin Guitars

175th anniversary charitable auction

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Bill M

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Norbert

Subject: Jacques Brel

Today Jacques Brel died 30 years ago. Watch this great man sing about Amsterdam as only he could (English subtitles).

Bill, Roz, Joan, Jeff thanks for the info's.

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Kevin J

Subject: Julie & Dlew - Page and Beck

The above link - which I hope works - is one that I thought was enjoyable for a number of reasons - not the least of which is the interview with a young Jimmy Page in which he says he wants to grow up to do biological research!

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Bumbles

A very nice hometown appreciation of the late Earl Palmer.

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brown eyed girl

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David P.

And several degrees of separation later, Tommy Lee Jones would play a key role in Levon's film career.

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Joan

You are a gem lady! It is nice to put a face with the name Angelina. The jam session is terrific. A Dankette treasure. I really enjoyed the piece on Eliza's Horoscope. Thank you!

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Bumbles

That “The Making of ‘Eliza’s Horoscope’” piece BEG/A helpfully linked to has been talked about in previous GBs, but it’s always worth look. Bumbles is struck by the way that as early as 1969 discussions on matters as weighty as the Band’s participation in a film project were conducted, on the group’s part, solely by JR2. And the following priceless nugget of advice sounds like a lesson learned in one of Morris Levy’s master classes:

“And it made more sense of Robbie Robertson's advice to me before shooting began: that I get myself a bodyguard, not because anyone might physically attack me, but just to give off an air of menace so nobody would try and fool with my authority.”

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David P.

You can hear Richard doing a version of "Hard Times" on the "Whispering Pines: Live At The Getaway 1985" CD.

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Bumbles

The widely circulated bootleg “Happy, Happy Birthday Eric” included the version of “Hard Times” that BEG/A kindly linked to as well as a CD’s worth of other tracks from the same 1976 Shangri La session, including one with Levon on lead vocal.

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Kevin J

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dlew919

Of course, Richard...

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Kevin J

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David P.

Thanks BEG Angelina. The original single version of Ray Charles' "Hard Times (No One Knows Better Than I)" b/w "I Wonder Who" was released by Atlantic 47 years ago this month. One of my favorite 45s, which I've been playing frequently lately in light of the current economic climate.

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Deb

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brown eyed girl

LIVE MUSIC IS BETTER. Rick Danko, Eric Clapton, Robbie Robertson, Billy Preston, Garth Hudson

Artist: Rick Danko Eric Clapton Robbie Robertson et al

Track: Hard Times (complete song....sing it Rick!)

"We're about people sitting around the kitchen table.....not the boardroom table." Jack Layton NDP

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brown eyed girl

The Making of Eliza's Horoscope by Gordon Sheppard Montreal, April 2005

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Rod

Subject: Robbie and Eric

Shame about the EC/RR project. Really though I wonder what Robbies contribution would have been. Claption is a better singer and these days is a much better guitar player (because he's still a working guitarist). I imagine Robbies big contribution would have been in the song writing field. Jan, thanks for opening the guest book and site up again.

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brown eyed girl

Leopard Recording Studio News & Info

Norwegian Fiddler, Hallvard Bjørgum and Canadian Songwriter, Billie the Kid Visit Leopard Studio to record with Garth Hudson March 2008 "More really interesting projects have come to the studio to record with Garth Hudson. Norwegian treasure, Hallvard Bjørgum came in for a few days. Last time he recorded with Garth was 13 years ago in Oslo. He plays the traditional Norwegian fiddle where he is a major musical figure. With Hallvard was Ed Kaercher, who sang for a bit on tour with The Band and performed for many years with Rick Danko. Ed is contributing a song on Hallvard's upcoming album. It's great to work with reunited old friends."

Ed Kaercher, Garth Hudson & Hallvard Bjorgum Photo

rozzzz: :-D

Leopard Studio goes International! October 2007 "Fabrizio Poggi, Italian blues and gospel singer and harmonica player travels to Leopard Studio to record with Garth and Maud Hudson. Garth Hudson is a long-time inspiration to Fabrizio, a highlight being an album that Garth recorded with Paul Butterfield in 1975 in Woodstock, NY. Here's more about Fabrizio and his band Chicken Mambo."

Garth, Maud, Fabrizio, Angelina (not brown eyed girl) and chicken mambo photo.

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Joan

Thank you BEG. Classy and considerate as always. To Landmark I return the good wishes and send them to anyone else observing Yom Kippur. An easy fast and a healthy and happy New Year. May this New Year bring blessings to all.

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jh

Aha... the http:// lead-in for posting web pages here is a little troublesome, I see. So, it's now been removed. The folks at TinyUrl are our friends, indeed.

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Bill M

Kevin J: This way usually works - just copy the YouTube (or whatever) address into the Web page space above, et voila. If it worked this time, it's not really a video, it's a bunch of photos of Jon and Lee and the Checkmates displayed as the a-side of their only 45 plays. Listen for the Robertsonian guitar towards then end - and of course the heavy organ throughout. Lead voice, guitar, bass and organ all wound up in Rhinoceros; drummer went with Crazy World of Arther Brown; second singer to working with Bruce Cockburn (management, co-writing, a couple of LP appearances.)

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brown eyed girl

"Yom Kippur is a quiet time for thinking and praying. Many Jews fast. On Yom Kippur, Jews remember relatives and friends who have died. They also think about how they treated others during the year. Were they kind? Did they keep the promises they made? Many people think of good things they can do in the new year. In the Yom Kippur service, people sing a special song about how to be a good person. It is the Kol Nidre. When the sun sets at the end of Yom Kippur, the High Holy Days are over. The the Jews share a meal to end their fast."

Thanksgiving is coming up for us Canadians. My class has initiated a Food Drive and we've organized a school community breakfast...I'm bringing the Belgian Waffles. My class will be reading a Give Thanks morning message/prayer before we eat. They're only in grade 1/2. We all dig each other. :-D

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Simon

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Peter V

As http:// is already there on the web page link, make sure it doesn't appear twice. It worked for me.

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