The Band Guestbook, January 2009
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Posted by:Adam
Subject: information on Rock Of Ages recording
does anyone know of detailed articles about the Dec. 28-31 '71 recordings for Rock Of Ages? Besides the reissue liner notes, it's hard to find information. I'd like to see an interview with Phil Ramone or Mark Harman about the recording.
also, is there any solid evidence that all four nights were recorded? There would be no reason not to record them all, but I find it very odd that the bonus tracks from the reissue are all the same versions we have on Academy of Outtakes.
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Posted by:jh
Web: My linkSubject: Lee playing mandolin
Link above: "Rag Mama Rag" from the 1983 Japan Tour.
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Posted by:Krisite
Subject: Matterhorn"Matterhorn" by the country gentlemen is a great song. It made me want to play Bluegrass, and I think I will get there one day. I really feel only musicians can play Bluegrass, there ain't no strummin' like in some country music. I have been listening to more and more Bluegrass lately.
Bashfull Bill-Thanks for the kind words about Kris Kristofferson. I am really looking forward to seeing him, and even if he is not having a good night, I still feel it will be worth it getting to see him in person. The man has had one hell of a life!
He is playing at a casino of all places so I will probably be surrounded by gamblers fresh from the slot machines. But then again gambling and Kris Kristofferson seems like a pretty good combination.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Atlantic City
Eric Bazilian gets the mandolin credit on the studio recording of Atlantic City.
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Posted by:Friend0
In terms of modern bluegrass music, bluegrass bands abound. everywhere you go. And , same as in blues, the talent has gotten watered down. Or maybe I should say the product has gotten watered down. Levels of talent always existed, but it is due to the proliferation of 25 to 40 buck an hour digital studios that every "band" thinks they are good enough to warrant making a cd. So, if people listen to public and college radio shows where the dj gets to play a lot of local stuff, and really can't say no, they will hear lot of bluegrass where every goddamn player in the band gets to solo on every song. Often pointlessly.I've always been a fan of good bluegrass. Which to me, as in any genre means great writing and great playing.
Charlie, I'd expect that was Levon on mandolin on Rag Mama Rag.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Subject: Mandolin MenDid Levon play many mandolin parts with The Band? I remember "When I Paint My Masterpiece" and--years later--"Atlantic City," but it was pretty rare in my recollection.
I love the sound of the instrument and owned one which I got rid of after hearing David Grisman play for the first time. I still see him or Sam Bush anytime I have a chance. I can't think of any more versatile virtuoso players on that wonderful little instrument than those two.
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Posted by:Dunc
Location: ScotlandSubject: Rich, Lars
Three great albums, Rich.
In November I saw the Grace and Danger tour.
For the encore, John played Rock, Salt and Nails. He sung this without guitar, which maybe was the reason why it wasn't one of my favourites until Lars got me revisiting it. A great song. Lars speaks eloquently about it.
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Bluegrass & MandolinsWestcoaster - I agree with some of what you say about Bluegrass music but I don't agree with you that the use of the mandolin is infrequent. Consider:
- It's Ricky Skaggs' primary instrument
- It's Bill Monroe's (the father or Bluegrass) primary instrument
- It's the instrument of choice for a number of quite renown Bluegrass bandleaders & duet players like: Jesse McReynolds of Jim & Jesse, Del McCoury, Sonny Osborne & Ira Louvin.
These are just the ones I could think of just now; I'm sure there are more but I believe I've made my point that: in the Bluegrass genre the mandolin is ubiquitous & even a natural requirement.
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: Springsteen and Walmart
Bruce regrets exclusive deal with Walmart
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Bluegrass - Mandolins - Players & Music
I don't know what Bluegrass Steve may have been listening to but, for the most part bluegrass songs are shorter and more to the point than any country, rock, blues, or jazz. Seldom do you hear the 4 or 5 minute solos like, for example blues where some guitar player is impressing no one but himself.
Bluegrass more traditionally is know for the banjo, fiddles, flat top guitars, and wash tub bass. Mandolins are thrown in not as much. However examples like the Amazing Rythmn Aces cover of "Life's Railway to Heaven". Barry Burton does some real tasty work with his mandolin.
In acknowledging the players, you can never leave out Mark O'Connor. We've discussed him much here before. The multi instrument talent, who along with Jerry Douglas did a lot of the work on the Dirt Bands, "Circle Two" album.
The mandolin appears more, and in my opinion is most suited to Celtic music. I recall telling a story years ago here. In 1977 on a Saturday afternoon at the Cedars pub in Gibsons, a bunch of us were setting up instruments for a Saturday afternoon jam session. My brother was standing tuning up his mandolin. Two fellows, (looking quite different from the crowd, by their dress and manner) came strolling over to us. They were two lads from Ireland, just slipped off a ship loading pulp at the Port Mellon pulp mill. They came in to enjoy a couple pints of grog. The one young lad, a good looking fellow, was eyeing Lorne's mandolin. I said, "Do you play?" He said .....oh a wee bit.
Well shit! We gave him the mandolin, and struck it up with him, unplugged. Whether a reel or lament, that lad could play! Some times the most fun you'll ever have in playing music is a spontaineous event like that. I've thought of that boy from time to time. When they left we gave each other a hug. He was an instant friend, with a manner and respect and humility that you had to appreciate. Yah I think the mandolin is great in Celtic music.
Now I got to go to sea, and it's snowing and UGLY!
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My link
Hi Norbert - I picked this'en out just fer you
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Posted by:Norbert
Web: My linkSubject: Eliza's Horoscope
YouTube: Eliza's Horoscope (Richard's)
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Posted by:rich
Location: walesSubject: john martyn and levon again
there's another cracking levon and john martyn duet on 'no little boy' ,a song called 'rock salt and nails'.i think its the only non john martyn song on the album.the rest are reworkings of john's classics.fav.john albums.the holy trinity for me are solid air,one world,and grace and danger;the latter has to be one of the saddest albums ever.however there's so many to choose from,and 'no little boy'is a lost gem.anybody know anything about'rock salt and nails? thanks for that roz.
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Posted by:umm
sorry about the alter
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Posted by:Lars
Location: The WoodsNORM- Avast. Hope all is smooth sailing for you, Old Salt.
MIKE- When I got out of the service in 1970 I spent that summer hitchiking thru Europe. I was in Copenhagen in July and I had a room right across the street from Tivoli Gardens for a couple of days. I spent most of that summer sleeping in the German bushes and the Italian orchards & vineyards, so Copenhagen was a real treat for my back.
The following May The Band played somewhere in Copenhagen. By that time the Navy had recalled me and I was on a ship in Galveston, feeling pretty pissed off and betrayed.
I eventually got over it. Someday, up in Paradise, I might even bump into Richard Nixon, the guy who ordered me back into active duty. That's when I'm going to get even.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: For the Big Bassman and Rich From Wales
"Well the woman I love is named Ramona
She kinda looks like Tempest Storm
And she can dance like Little Egypt
And she works down at the Snake Farm
Snake farm - It just sounds nasty
Snake Farm - Well it pretty well is
Snake Farm - It's a reptile house
Snake Farm - Yes, it is
Well Ramona's got this keen sense of humor
And she's got this tattoo all down her arm
It's of a python eatin' a little mouse wearin' a sailor hat that says "Snake Farm"
Snake Farm - It just sounds nasty
Snake Farm - Well I guess it pretty well is
Snake Farm - It's a reptile house
Snake Farm -it's real Good
I asked my Ramona how come she work there
She says "It's got it's charms. Nuthin' much to do in the wintertime but then a kid gets bitten at the "Snake Farm"
Snake farm - It just sounds nasty
Snake Farm - Well, Yes it is
Snake Farm - It's a reptile house
Snake Farm - Shed some skin
Ramona likes her malt liquor
And some band from Wales called "The Alarm"
She said she cried when they broke up
And she still plays their records down at the Snake Farm\
Snake Farm - It just sounds Nasty
Snake Farm - Well I guess it is
Snake Farm - It's a Reptile house
Snake farm - They only accept cash
Sometimes Ramona'll call me up
And says to me "Come on down here, it's gettin' warm"
And we ... you know..
It's a Snake Farm..."
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Posted by:bassmanlee
Subject: Oh, Roz...
Sometimes I have no idea what you are on about, but then...
I only recently discovered Larry Sparks. That disc is a keeper. My bluegrass collection keeps on growing.
Like jazz, I love to listen to bluegrass. It's a lot like jazz - not really my culture, as much of it is Gospel-tinged, but man, I love to hear it. Someday it may even pry open my agnostic heart. The picking can be a bit frenetic if you are not in the mood, but those cats can really play. So I not only love the old hands, but many of the not-the-way-Bill-Monroe-did-it types who have been influenced by it. Exhibit A: The Greencards.
Keep the faith, baby!
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Nebular Buoy
Well I really do appreciate your twisted, fucked up sense of humour. You crack me up!
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: beyond Hope, BC.Web: My link
Subject: Canada's Embarrassing World Junior Hockey Performances
Hey Norm. Of course no one can beat our juniors at hockey. It's obviously a given we'll be given the gold medals at the end of the tournament, like we have for the last five straight years. The embarrassing performance I'm referring to is that wicked, off-key singing of "O Canada" ours lads perpetrate at the close of the event every year. I mean, yikes. Can't Hockey Canada get the kids to spend a little less time on hockey skill-building and a little more on vocal training ?
We know they're gonna have to sing the anthem in front of the world every year. Why be modest and pretend otherwise ? With Canada having given the world Rick, Richard, Neil, Joni and whole host of other great vocalists, cripes, we can't afford to then have a bunch of toothless teenagers tarnishing our international reputation every year with
their complete lack of vocal prowess. (Besides, from what I understand Celine Dion just hates to be upstaged). NB
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Posted by:Yannick
Location: Cologne, GermanySubject: Howlin' Hill Project VS Tommy McCoy
Having just seen the mention of an album called "Angels Serenade" by Thomas McCoy Band and/or Helm, Hudson and McCoy, and then re-read the December 2008 guestbook, I think I can contribute to clearing up the confusion regarding the album in question.
Having found out about the "Howlin Hill Project" album on this site a few years ago, and loving the music on it tremendously, I searched the web for its non-The Band protagonists and found out that during the sessions, two albums worth of material had been recorded - the other album being billed to Tommy McCoy, who is the brother of Howlin Hill guitarist Gary McCoy. I had never heard anything from this album until now.
The sound samples on the cdbaby.com site tell me that 5 tracks on the "Angels Serenade" are also on the "Howlin Hill Project" album. I'm not sure if these are all different takes of the same songs, but they are definitely the same arrangements. That leaves 7 out of 12 songs that don't overlap. These are all sung by a voice not familiar to me, who I assume is Thomas McCoy.
The overlapping songs are "You're the Only Thing", "Angel Serenade", "Runaway Train", "Runaway Train", "I Stood There Like A Stone" and "Something Bout the Smokies".
"I Stood There Like A Stone" is clearly audible to me from the sound sample as being a different take to the Howlin Hill Project version, but is not sung by Tommy McCoy, but Howlin Hill vocalist Doug Thomas.
I'm not so sure yet on whether I need the additional 7 tracks that feature Tommy McCoy, but I can highly recommend the "Howlin Hill Project" album for, in addition to the songs shared by both albums, at least the sheer fun of "Slow Down And Let Your Soul Catch Up" and the fine harmony singing on "The Belle Of Windy Mountain". To be honest, I'd like to hear more of the Howlin Hill's main singer Doug Thomas.
I don't have any idea on who gets paid what amount from the sales of these records. I can just add that the "Howlin Hill Project" album is billed to the band name and the 5 protagonists Doug Thomas, Gary McCoy, George Tricomi, Levon Helm and Garth Hudson - and not Tommy McCoy, even though he is the bassist on all but two tracks of the album.
I hope this helps clearing up the confusion that arose in December.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: The Northern Kid
Gawd Damn kid from Hope is really startin' to loose his marbles! It upsets him som-n awful 'cause no one can come even close to playing hockey with us.
Wha'd you expect?
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Posted by:Mike
Lars: My family & I visited Malmo & Vaxqo in the late '80s as we have relatives that we still keep in touch w/ there. We landed in Copenhagen & took the ferry over to Malmo. Love the old European cities. Also, in the rural regions the home bldg craftsmanship is technique America could learn from. Cannot wait to return someday.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Stevon Farm: Northern Girl is an absolute NFL freak and a diehard Steelers fan . Needless to say I'm not allowed to even consider the possibility of Arizona winning on Sunday. I'm actually not really a football fan. I am however deeply concerned about the appalling performances by our National Junior Hockey team in the last few World Hockey Championships. What does your ostensibly extensive intellect have to say on that nationally embarrassing topic ? NB
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Dis - n - dat
HI LARS!!!!! Hey Joe.......how goes it? Are you still up to your ass in the white stuff over on your rock there?
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Posted by:Lars
Location: The WoodsSubject: Illka
Illka- Never confuse "courage" with "stupidity." I'm probably very stupid to use my name in the Internet. My many detractors will back me up on this point.
I just wanted to tell you that we had a Swedish exchange student from your part of Sweden, back in 1994-95. She was from the Vaxjo area, a small town named Moheda. She still writes us once in a while. A fine girl with very red hair.
I remember taking the ferry from Copenhagen to Malmo back in my youth. There used to be a bunch of guys at the bar who drank duty-free liquor as the boat went back and forth all day. Sometimes I wonder if they ever got off.
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Posted by:joe j
Subject: Music obsessives
Talking about obsessive, I ordered Dylan's 'Self Portrait' last night. Where do we go from here?
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Posted by:Dunc
Location: ScotlandSubject: Recommended book
Thanks to everybody for John Martyn mentions. His death was a main article today in Scotland's national newspaper. Thanks Joan.
I'd like to recommend a book 'Bringing It All Back Home' by Ian Clayton. Don't be mislead by the title it's not a Dylan encyclopaedia, but it's about us guys - the music obsessives who seem to have a soundtrack to their lives. I may be a seven on this scale, but there are many people on this guestbook who rate a ten. At the end of the book,tears rolled from my eyes. Rare from a dour Scot.
So make sure you buy it.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: I'm not zzjoan
Sorry for my typo.
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Posted by:zzjoan
Web: My linkSubject: John Martyn
NY Times obituary for John Martyn.
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: I apologize
I only scrolled down about 10 posts and did not see the other John Martyn posts.
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Posted by:Steve
IIkka, Marmot Day is only celebrated in Quebec, a Nation within a Nation.Songs where the mandolin is an appreciated implement; Friend Of The Devil, Ripple and any song Levon played it in a Band song. There are many more obviously but those are songs where it's played to compliment the song.
Roz I thought all the music that got rolled into Rock and Roll was country music.
Northern Boy, Arizona, 8 wins 8 loses, is the team the smart money will be on Sunday to win the Super Duper Bowl to bookend this year of mediocrity with the Giants.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: IKEA
And I thought it stood for Impossible Kit Envolving Assembly :-).
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: Terry Danko and The Pencils
Be sure to check out Carol's blog for an interesting interview of Terry Danko that coincides with his new posts over at Youtube.
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Posted by:Ilkka (again)
Location: Nordic CountriesSubject: The "E" and the "A" in IKEA
I am a nice guy, even in my _own_ opinion ;-) So, the "E" and the "A" comes from the village and from the farm where Mr. Kamprad was born. - Have a very good Marmot Day.
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: Honda
This was done with no artifice. What you see actually occurred.It has nothing to do with music, but it is so cool. Enjoy!
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Posted by:Ilkka Jauramo
Location: Ikea CountrySubject: IKEA
Just like ABBA is a part of the national folk music heritage in Sweden IKEA is a part of the history in the South of Sweden where a lot of people immigrated to the USA, mostly Minnesota. - Not everyone immigrated. A young man sold fountain pens and self-made furnitures. His name is _I_ngvar _K_amprad. I won't tell what the "E" and the "A" in IKEA means because I am so pissed off. Some genius like ROBBIE ROBERTSON could easily make a song of this.
A warm applause to Mr. Lars Pedersen who has the courage to post here in his own name. BTW Ingvar Kamprad comes only from a few miles from a certain town in the South of Sweden ;-). To Canadians: I am going to celebrate The Marmot Day 2nd Feb, cheers!
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: John Martyn
J Tull; Now apologize! I'm joking, but several people mentioned John's passing, including Dunc in Scotland, who is a great fan, and has always championed John Martyn.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Web: My linkSubject: Where Erotica Meets Bluegrass
Been a bit of an erotic (some might say smutty) undertone here of late, along with some discussion of bluegrass. This was as close as I could come to finding a video that "straddles" shall we say, both of these threads. We all know it, and I believe there's even a TLW connection in the vocals, which are literally entralling.
Stevon Farm: In deference to your deference towards me, I'll take back the "Go Steelers Go" part.
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Posted by:Zzzz
Lars did...
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: John Martyn RIP
Can't believe nobody on this board mentioned his passing yet.
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Posted by:Zzzz
Web: My link
Remembering Reagan...
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Posted by:David P.
Web: My linkSubject: Mandolin Wind
Any discussion of mandolin pickers would have to include two great innovative stylists, Tiny Moore and Kenneth "Jethro" Burns. Mr. Moore made a name for himself playing with Bob Wills in the Texas Playboys, where he tore through western swing leads with a solid-body electric mandolin. Mr. Burns first gained fame, along with Henry Haynes, in the duo Homer & Jethro. Along with their comedic approach, they brought the strong influence of melodic jazz into country music.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: whoops
Don't push that one certain "suggestive" button in the synopsis for the film under the link.
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My linkUnder link you will find the chick in the tittie flick and the name of the film featured in your video, chuckles!
Nuthin wrong with me. I just decided not to mention that neither Flatt nor Scruggs carried a mandolin on stage and I won't go any further. I have found myself forever defending bluegrass music to uninformed folks who drop it into the "country music" catagory without knowing the they did anything wrong.
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Posted by:Friend0
Churs Hillman is a exceptionally gifted top notch mandolinist.Goes back to his being a young kid. As good as it gets.Ros, what is it you have against rocks this morning? First walking, then mandolins? If the chick was carrying or playing a mandolin whilst walking across the rocks in heels you'd probabyl have had a canary.
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Posted by:Friend0
Hey Ros, me being the uncinematically cultured ignoramus that I am, was actually wondering if some fan had filmed this video for the song itself. You probably knew the film and actress right away. The further to the end it got, the more i was thinking it had to excerpted from a flick.Mike, while my JOhnnie Be Back is buried somewhere, I;d bet my bottom dollar that's Jimmy, mIke Merrit and Wormworth along with Johnnie. Vivino produced, 1995. Thatsong was one of JOhnnie's live staples.
MIke Henderson is one of Nashville's busiest session guitar players. When Kooper lived there, Henderson used to come up to NYC wiht Kooper, open some of Kooper's Bottom Line Sshows with his BLuebloods band.
Kooper's 65 th birthday show coming up, feb 7. And I'll be at a black tie bar mitzvah, a few blocks a way. Can't get out of going ,no way, no how. I've looked at every angle.
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Posted by:bob w.
There is a long list of mandolin players in the rock genre that rank well above Levon. I think he does a nice job of it but the likes of Ry Cooder, Fred Tackett, David Grisman, Ray Jackson and quite a few others would have to appear above Levon's name on any list. Start listing drummers and the story changes dramatically.
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Posted by:Mike
Web: My linkSubject: 40th anniversary of Beatles final gig together.
Today marks the 40th anniversary of the Beatles famed London rooftop performance, a free show that was the band's very last gig together. Ken Mansfield, frmr Apple Records & Beatles U.S. mgr, has assembled a commemorative gig featuring Beatles tribute band Creme Tangerine. The performance will happen today atop Seattle's Pike Place Market. I'm sure Jeff would much prefer Jimmy Vivino's Fab Faux.
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Posted by:rosalind
There's no such thing as a rock mandolinist
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Posted by:dlew919
Subject: Levon: Mandolinist?
One of the top three Rock Mandolinists - Ian Anderson and John Paul Jones being the other two. (BIll Monroe, Flatt and Scruggs, et cetera, are country...)
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Posted by:roz
Subject: Walter HustonSteve, If that's where you were going then I strictly agree with ya. About 99.9.9 percent of the music I hear gets pitched. I spend most of my time siftin.
Since Steve brought up the mandolin. I will take this opportunity to ask if anyone here actually considers Levon Helm to be a "mandolin player"? If so, you should hear how it' really suppose to sound.
Peter brought up the kid with the banjo in "I'm Not There" and I didn't remember so I pulled the DVD out of it's case and slipped it in. That guy who was sitting on the couch gets used as some kind of a punching bag, don't he? Plus he gets puked on. Another thing. Why is one of these guys named Robbie? Why does Robbie have a French wife and two daughters? Weird.
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Posted by:Steve
I think I made that point Roz, I mentioned the bits of Bluegrass I do like. It's the needless unending solos that are the same , the same, the same after awhile. I'm trying hard to hold on to my appreciation of the mandolin. In order to do that I have to avoid most bluegrass music. I was going to mention Gospel, NB, but in deference to you left it out.
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Posted by:nobody spachell
Web: My link
Todd Haynes
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: I'm Not There...either
And that snotty little black hobo kid. Reciting Budd Schulberg's lines from A Face in the Crowd. Shulberg should have sued! I just wanted to belt that little bastard! That movie just grated on me. I dug Richard Gere's character and I did like the "carnivale" type stuff. (Obviously lifted from HBO's Carnivale!) And Dylan allowed this? If I were Dylan, I would have come out with a vengeance against this pile of pretentious shite. Maybe Bob Dylan is a pretentious shite? Maybe he just don't care any more. He certainly was a smart mouthed little prick tho. My favorite character in the film? Mr Jones! Grossman came off as probably exactly what he was! I never liked the look and feelings I got from Grossman. He seemed so "puffed up" all the time. Why did they not destroy Donovan in this movie too? They always enjoyed letting him have it before!
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Posted by:rich
Location: walesSubject: john martyn and levon duet
sad news about john martyn.he did a great duet with levon on the album 'no little boy'recorded in the early 90's.its called 'just now' and its sublime;really really good.i cant recommend it highly enough.
john also joined 'the band' onstage in the forum,london in 1996 for a rollicking version of ophelia.it was the highlight of the gig for me.
a truly wonderful singer songwriter,and a great larger than life character. RIP john.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: "I'm Not There"
Thanks for the link. On banjo, there is a little moment of irony in "I'm Not There." Cate Blanchett as the electric Dylan is sitting in a London hotel room on the 66 tour. Opposite her is a backing musician in black leather jacket, with hooded eyes playing around on … the banjo. The positioning makes it clear that this is meant to be Robbie. So why the banjo? Otherwise, I found the film near unwatchable, though Blanchett was by far the best portrayal of Dylan. What really got on my nerves was the shoehorning of song titles into dialogue. Funny the first couple of times, then very tired.
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My link
Something to rock your morning, Peter?
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Bluegrass, rocks and heelsI once spent a confusing few minutes in the long-gone Tower Records main store in Picadilly Circus looking for The Dillards. I tried Americana, rock, country, folk and admitted defeat and asked. It was in Bluegrass. Now such distinctions are of the past, as the stores now have one section called “Specialist Music” embracing about ten genres. So you can say you like Bluegrass, and evoke thoughts of “Deliverance” or simply say “I like Specialist” and be beyond criticism.
Rocks and high heels: In the 1970s we walked the Samaria Gorge in Crete. It was a hard hike in those days … straight down for 13 kilometres, much over large rocks and through a riverbed in the actual gorge. The tour bus had forty Germans in full hiking gear, two Brits (me and Mrs V) in open sandals and three elegant French ladies in high heels and smart skirts. The Germans won the race to the bottom by an hour, and we went slowly along with the French ladies who had fallen down a few times. But we all got there in the end.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: The Steeldrivers - Buy that CD!Bassmanlee - We seem to have the same tste in music.
Great bluegrass is like an other great music. It doesn't just lay on top of the ground waiting for you to reach down and pick it up. It's hidden, ya gotta mine for it.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: Thinkin' Out Loud
.. geez, wonder how many times old jeffool HAD to watch that?
Yeah, that's unrealistic.. Them shoes? No Way. You ain't gonna catch ANY wonam walkin' across rocks in them heels.
Is she on her way to work?
She's carryin a purse... Wonder how much she makes?
Whatever she makes an't enough to bail her stupid ass outta jail if she ever gets caught doin' what she does with one or more of them boys.
Maybe she's a school teacher.
Maybe she's that kid's mother. Hey, that's incest.
Jeff just posted a incestous video on the Band's Guestbook!
Wonder if Jan Hoiberg will dip in and ban for that?
Probably not, He only bans me.
Hey, that chick's got nice knockers.. wonder how much they cost?
I need some surgery, mine don't bounce as much as they used to.. I'm gettin low
Insurance don't pay for it. Shit!
Hey puta, What's with the lemons?
Hey babe, you're gonna get your slip all sticky.
I bet they got the idea of usin those lemons from that Atlantic City movie starring Susan Sarandon...
That's a pretty good movie. I ain't seen that movie in years.
She must deal with cash in her line of work to.
I feel like a glass of lemon-aid.
Maybe I'll just skip the sugar and rubb'em all over my tits!
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My linkPeter, were you talking about erection made easier? Well, someone had a sense of humor,and Johnnie is laughing appreciatively up in heaven about this for sure. And we all forgive the guy for spelling his name wrong in the title.
Lucky kid huh?
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Posted by:Serenity
Subject: Super BowlHi guys--Hope you all are behaving yourselves.
Just thought I'd send this news I rec'd in my inbox today.
Take care
Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxox
NEW YORK (Billboard) - Bob Dylan and will.i.am: Together at last? The musicians both appear in a Pepsi commercial that is being considered for placement during Sunday's Super Bowl broadcast, singing a song written specifically for the ad.
Further details on the ad were unavailable, but Pepsi Co. North America executives said they also are considering selling the song on iTunes. The company has two or three minutes of total advertising time during the February 1 game.
Pepsi Co., which recently rebranded Gatorade simply as G, is likely to use a spot that incorporates rapper Lil Wayne. Wayne has been heard in teaser spots for the campaign that have been airing for the past month. In them, he talks about all the things the letter G stands for, while celebrities including Muhammad Ali and the Jabberwocky dance crew appear on-screen.
In other Super Bowl music-related ad news, alternative rock band the Smashing Pumpkins will unveil a new song, "FOL," in a commercial for Hyundai's Genesis Coupe. Cellist Yo-Yo Ma will appear in a separate Hyundai ad during the big game.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: Bashful Bill - 2/ 5 / 1:00 pmYes Steve, A lot of Bluegrass is generic. You have to be selective. Are you not selective, Steve? You have obviously chosen The Band over say.. Bachman Turner Overdrive, Right?
Without going into much detail, I would strongly suggest never quoting Leopnard Cohen lyrics while recuperating from a nervous breakdown in the boobie hatch. They call the shrink in and up your meds. I have also struck TVZ from my list. Some Dylan's okay.. some's not. I learned firsthand of course. You may ask why someone would need to quote song lyrics in the hatch? They have pills now that basically act as elecro shock therapy. They have found a way to burn what they consider to be "the bad part of your brain" out of your head in a more humane way, They get you in the most vunerable state of your life, when your mind and body have already separated due to breakdown, and they literally try with all their might to change you into someone they themselves can approve of. In the process of course, they destroy all that's unique and individual in the unfortunate human being before them. Luckily, they failed with me. It frustrated them.
"Banker Moore's plane went down, just three miles south of town
On a forty acre farm he forclosed on
I can hear him sayin' now
Money's what it's all about
Now I can safely say that he's dead wrong
The last suit you wear won't need no pockets
You can't take it with you
When you go
When that hand full of dirt
Goes back into the earth
What you'll be worth
Only Heaven knows
You know he always said
"You got to dress
For success"
And he wore the very best that money could buy
He made a fortune in his time
Now he leaves it all behind
They oughta write this on the stone
Where he lies
The last suit you wear don't need no pockets
You can't take it with you
When you go
When that handful of dirt
Goes back into the earth
What you'll be worth
Only Heaven knows"
Larry Sparks
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Posted by:Peter M.
Location: Pa.Subject: Leonard Cohen (ouch)
Sorry if I led anyone astray with a "heads up" regarding In regard toLeonard Cohen's "I'm Your Man" performance, I did see only the last 8-10 minutes of it, but will catch the whole thing next Thursday. I, too was disappointed to see Bono & U2 giving their stamp of approval, but they seemed to tone down the tiring rightous pompousity which they usually apply to their productions. I appreciate the "watch out for the Wainrights" warning. Maybe I'll dial down my expectations accordingly. Decades ago we saw Jennifer Warnes open for Dave Mason and have liked her stuff since, but she really is at her best when covering or doing a duet with Leonard.
Roz, thanks for the Robert Johnson song lyrics. I had read through them, thinking it was a poem, until I saw later that it was a Bill Morrisey song. Will have to look for that one.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: just beyond Hope, BCWeb: My link
Subject: Irksome Stevie (You're Kind of A Drag)
Nice job you did today of dismissing an entire musical genre starting with the letter B(luegrass). Perhaps you're in Bumbles Withdrawl, and simply carrying on all his fine work in his absence. You'll recall he'd routinely dismiss as "kind of a drag" another entire musical genre starting with the letter B. Mind you, I did my best to tell Bumbles it wasn't the entire Blues genre that was "Kind Of A Drag", but rather just one song by the Buckinghams (and it wasn't even bluesy), but would Bumbles ever listen to me ? Wisely, not even once .
Anyway, you've learned well from your old mentor, haven't you Stevon ? Actually, I remember you dismissing Gospel music here not that long ago. (Perhaps you hear it as "B"ospel Music, I don't know). Do you also dismiss R&B, or only the B half of that genre ? I'm sure glad that you and that New Jersey Devil Beelzebumbles can't actually eradicate all these traditional American musical forms, given they're the bedrock for the foundation of Big Pink and all that followed.
And besides who knows, perhaps as we speak there's a group of maybe five ten year-olds in an attic somewhere, exploring such ancient music on an antiquated record player and thinking "hey, this funny old stuff is pretty cool, but it's gonna really rock too when we start our band in couple of years and start messin' around with some of it". Possibly the Second Coming of Ophelia, and King Harvest, and so on. And you know I ain't just "whistling Dixie" here, Steve.
PS. Go Steelers !
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Posted by:Lars Pedersen
Location: The woods of New York StateRIP- John Martyn.
"Once in a while you hear a song that finds its way deep into your memory, and you find yourself humming along." --Anon.
Well done, John.
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Posted by:Bashful Bill
Location: Minoa, NYSubject: "I'm Your Man"
It's not on today but I'll watch for it. Thanks Ros.... What WAS on today, on VH1 Classics is Classic Albums The Band(the Brown album). Did anyone ever see the Behind the Music episode of Robbie? I saw it once, many years ago, & have never seen it scheduled again.
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Posted by:Peter V
Sad news about John Martyn. Levon Helm played on Stormbringer as you will know. A sign of the times is that the rock mags now have a larger obituary section than the newspapers.
Steve … yes, IKEA is the home of the unmade bed, and unmade shelving unit and table too. The thing about those unmade IKEA beds is that the screws are no good. They're usually too short and too soft. If you go to a hardware store and buy better quality ones, erection is much easier.
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Posted by:Friend0
Subject: Cut & paste job, ABBFrom Allmans;newsletter. No comment , but it is intersting.
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Posted by:Dunc
Location: ScotlandSubject: John Martyn
John Martyn died this morning aged 60. He was up there for me. Really enjoyed seeing him in Glasgow
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Posted by:Steve
Peter, are those the kind of beds you buy at IKEA? Is that what you're referring to? It's hard to answer the question without that bit of info.
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Posted by:Peter V
I was thinking particularly of Jennifer Warnes take on First We Take Manhatten with the long guitar break (by Stevie Ray Vaughan, I think). She's singing so well, and the guitar is so 1980s AOR cliched. Ruined it last time I heard it. The album is one of the elite few that sits on my iPod in its entirety though.
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Posted by:David P.
Web: My linkSubject: Jenny Sings Lenny
JQ: Link above to more info on the lovely Ms. Warnes' "Famous Blue Raincoat" tribute.
Sony released remastered versions of L. Cohen's first three albums in 2007, with bonus tracks at a mid-price level. For the casual fan there's also the 2-disc Essential Leonard Cohen compilation.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Say What....................
"the guitar is horribly intrusive" We will put you down as always having had the bed made - then?
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: More LCWorst "Hallelujah" - Bono (Tower of Song)
Best "Everybody Knows" (cover) Don Henley (Tower of Song)
Best "Chelsea Hotel #2" Rufus Wainwright (I'm Your man)
Best "Hallelujah" John Cale (I'm Your Fan) + Shrek soundtrack
In all cases, Leonard's originals are superior.
So often female singers, less immediately contrasted, rate better on Cohen covers. I played through the Jennifer Warnes a couple of weeks ago - the guitar is horribly intrusive.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Leonard Cohen TributesI make it six:
I'm Your Fan (Columbia 1991).
Tower of Song (A&M 1995)
I'm Your Man (Verve 2006)
Famous Blue Raincoat- Jennifer Warnes
Judy Collins Sings Leonard Cohen: Democracy (Rhino 2004)
Cohen Covered (Mojo Magazine, December 2008)
Having been at one of the shows, Brighton, featured on "I'm Your Man" I can assure you that in front of the house, Nick Cave and Rufus Wainwright stole the show. In terms of audience acclaim, Rufus might just have won, but only by a whisker. It's all to do with personal charisma that doesn't necessarily translate to film.
I think we should have a straw poll on the numbers who have received or given head on an unmade bed, so as to enliven the debate.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Web: My linkSubject: JQ and others
A clip you might enjoy re: L. Cohen and Jennifer Warnes
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Posted by:Kevin J
Jennifer Warnes sang back-up for L.Cohen for most of the 70's. The re-release of FBR has 3 additinal songs and a re-working of Joan of Arc.
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Leonard Cohen & Jennifer WarnesDavid P -
What is the additional content on the new Famous Blue Raincoat? For my money nobody has ever covered LC better than J Warnes, eh? Is there any other connection between those 2 other than that record? I sort of recall something called Jenny Sings Lenny?
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: L. Cohen cont.
The Jennifer Warnes material features some lovely Stevie Ray Vaughn contributions. As to the celebrity release with Sir Elton and others, only 2 covers work in my opinion - Don Henley's "Everybody Knows" and Willie Nelson's "Bird on a Wire".
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Posted by:bassmanlee
Subject: Cohen, blues and bluegrassRoz, Bill Morrisey's Robert Johnson is a great song and a staple of my eclectic seldom unleashed repertoire. A folk song about a blues man, but it works. I've seen Bill play it and realized I have greatly altered it and play it in an entirely different key. Pretty much like all the stuff I play. I've also done I'm Your Man (easy to go over the top with that one) and used to do First We Take Manhattan, but retired it after 911.
I think there are three Cohen tribute records. There's one called "I'm Your FAN" from the early '90s that has REM (doesn't EVERY tribute album?), John Cale, and Nick Cave on it as well as a lot of people I had never heard of. A couple of the treatments go wide of the mark in my book.
Then there is one called "Tower of Song" that had higher profile folks like Sting, Elton John, Don Henley, Aaron Neville. It probably bordered on bloodless in spots. I hardly ever listen to it.
I had completely forgotten about the 2005 concert one, which is what they are showing on Sundance. I have that one too, somewhere, but seem to recall being disappointed by it on first listen. Of course the best by far is Famous Blue Raincoat. Poor Jennifer. What the hell do you follow THAT up with?
Finally, YES we listen to bluegrass! Just picked up two disks by a previously unknown (to me) guy named Jim White. (One of them is called "The White Album".) Mostly new original songs and both with the same band featuring Ricky Scaggs on mandolin and harmony vocal. Hot stuff. Jim Lauderdale has done several good bluegrass records, including two with Ralph Stanley. I like Tony Rice (his disk with Peter Rowan is great), Del McCoury, Mike Auldridge, lots of others. We listen to the Slacker.com bluegrass channel sometimes in the office. They play some good stuff. There are a whole lot of hot young bluegrass bands out there.
And that you would be attracted to someone with "some kind of sexual/mental disorder" somehow does not surprise me!
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: BlurgrassYes blurgrass, After awhile lots of songs start to run together. I do a solo, you do a solo, he does a solo, she does a solo, we do a solo, they do a solo, all at breakneck speed. Speed seems to be a valued ingredient.
I think the banjo solos are about the most tiresome.
I'm good for about 2 songs then I want to do nasty things, usually to the banjo guy.
It's too bad the music is so repetitive because I really like a lot of the old timey harmony songs, and the high lonesome singers as well.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: L. Cohen
Two previous & far better Leonard Cohen tributes are available -- the various artists "I'm Your Fan" CD and Jennifer Warnes' "Famous Blue Raincoat" (now available as an expanded edition). Although the recent tribute effort pales in comparison, the intentions are good. Reviving attention to Mr. Cohen's great body of work is a good thing, expecially in light of his recent mismanagement problems.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Leonard Cohen deserved better!Although some went ga-ga over the I’m Your Man” documentary, it was, to me, extremely disappointing. Whenever an artist of Cohen's stature ( read “Cult” not “Bigger than The Band” ) is the subject of a mass release project…fans are automatically delirious….after all, their man is suddenly being recognized. The regular people ( read: 99.95% of the population that have never been given head on an unmade bed ) and especially the mass market film critics that all would rather listen to Coldplay than L. Cohen ( trust me on this one ) pretend to be impressed while repeating text as handed out by the Release team. Throw in U2 and a 4 Star review is a lock.
The facts are that 1.) Many of the performances are embarrassing – highlighted by Rufus Waimwright . Martha is, as always, great and the only performer seemingly fully invested in what she is singing other than the long time/great back-ups……2.) The photography/camera angle on the Cohen interviews could not be less flattering…..3.) While the person who made the film (essentially padding out what started as a few nights of performance only) is obviously a fan, she accomplishes almost the impossible - that is: making Leonard Cohen seem pedestrian in the interview clips she uses of him. This is a guy that can make an interview on a morning chat show COMPELLING.
Anyhow, it is what is is….but for those just new to him or wanting to tape this to show to others……..there is much better material ( a number of mini docs on Canadian TV over the years, for instance ) that I would think would be much more satisfying.
Kristie: I kinda like your hat too!
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Susan Werner
She in great in concert. I saw her as the opening act for Ollabelle last year.
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Posted by:NB
Location: beyond Hope, BCWeb: My link
Subject: Rosalind
And let's not forget bluegrass gospel music, with it's great timing and harmonies. Your Johnson Mountain Boys do this Bill Monroe tune as well Ros. I've seen Dry Branch Fire Squad live and have spoken here of Fred Eaglesmith's bluegrass CD "Balin". This genre of music can be very infectious and soulful, no doubt about it. NB
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Posted by:Landmark
Subject: Montreal
I saw Skynerd open up for The Who on the Quadrophenia tour. Rotten sound plagued their set. I like a couple of their songs but I've never considered myself a fan.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: How Lonely Does It get?
The Leonard Cohen documentary's called "I'm Your Man" It was titled after one of Cohen's songs. I'm sure your girlfriend knows the song. I enjoyed the last two songs more than anything. Leonard himself doing "Tower Of Song" and then having the title song play during the rolling credits. He seemed so unaffected by the whole thing. I like the guy.
Anybody here like Bluegrass music? Im listenng to The Johnson Mountain Boys do "Duncan and Grady". Man, that's one tight group! You forget how good some of those old bluegrass groups are if you fail to listen to them for any length of time. I would assume you all never even think about bluegrass tho.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Telecasters & Copies
Thanks David. It seems that Arlen Roth likes to blog about the Telies, since he is known as the "Master of the Telecaster". I'm going to see if I can find out anything about this guitar from him.
I've been researching it on the net, but can't find much. I even went thru the history of Arias, since old man Aria started building them back in 1956.
This Aria neck looks exactly like an original Telie neck, and plays like it too. My brother played some pretty awsome stuff on this guitar yesterday, so now it doesn't like me at all.
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Posted by:Zzzz
Funny story, Kristie...
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Posted by:Bashful Bill(again)
Location: Minoa, NY(still)Subject: Cohen(Sundance)
What is the title of that doc? Though I knew he had a rabid following I was only marginally aware of him&had never really listened to him until hooking up with my girlfriend(its been almost a year now) who's a major fan. I'd like to watch for it&DVR it for her.
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Posted by:Bashful Bill
Location: Minoa, NYSubject: Kristie(Kristofferson)
You're likely in for a treat. I'm seeing him in April in the same venue I saw him 2 or 3 years ago(I'm leaning towards 2 but I'm n ot sure). It was the best Kristofferson show of the 4, to date, that I've attended. He leaned heavily on his very early stuff, more so than in those past shows. It was a small, very intimate setting, & I was only about 30 feet away. His voice was shaky for the 1st 2 or maybe 3 songs - he was almost painfully(it looked that way, anyway)straining to enunciate each syllable, almost like someone speaking phonetically. But he was relaxed & in fine form after that. My date -who had never seen him & was blown away - opined that he was warming up, which he of course should have done pre-show. He looked directly at me through most of Sunday Mornin Comin Down & it could have been a flawless, beautiful experience - I mean he was looking DIRECTLY at me, but a table full of yayhoos hooted&screamed each time he got to the "Wishin, Lord, that I was stoned" part, & it was obviously distracting to him. They'd been occasionally annoying before that, but they went full steam ahead after that song, hootin&hollerin&yellin "we love you Kris", etc inappropriately&with wild abandon. I pray that they dont show up this time, & I pray that, after my raving, you get him on a good night...
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Posted by:Brien Sz
My Skynyrd experience is from my band playing days of high school and just beyond. Sweet Home was a staple, Free Bird was a great jam and Gimmie Three Steps was the honky tonk. I also remember that anytime you went to a dance, 8th grade (1976-77) and high school 77-81, that a band played, they always ended the night with Free Bird so you could get that 20 minute slow dance with your girl - who cared how fast they wound up playing, you always stayed swaying to the opening notes.
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Posted by:Mike
I caught the summer of '88 Skynyrd reunion tour in Manchester, NH. It was a cool show. I grew up less than 1-mile from Harold Buker & his private airport, Aerosmith's pilot in the 70's. He was asked by Aerosmith's mgt to look @ the same plane that Skynyrd went down in & absolutely refused to fly it. He knew it was a junker before Skynyrd took it over.
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Posted by:Mike
Web: My linkSubject: 50-yrs after "The Day the Music Died."
This coming Monday, February 2nd, marks the 50th anniversary of the day Buddy Holly (22), Big Bopper (28) & Richie Valens (17) tragically died, along w/ the pilot, in Clear Lake, IA after a performance @ the Surf Ballroom. The Surf Ballroom began its six-day celebration (Winter Dance Party! 50 Winters Later) of the anniversary yesterday. Their deaths occurred during a significant rock 'n roll transition from the American Elvis Presley & Jerry Lee Lewis era to the early British Invasion.
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Posted by:David P.
Web: My link
Subject: Gimme three steps mister...
I first saw Lynyrd Skynyrd in an Atlanta bar called Funochios, where they were "discovered" by Al Kooper. A friend of mine's band played an audition set there and I helped them set up their equipment. Skynyrd was the headliner there at the time and when they hit the stage, they just exploded in this packed, rough & tumble bar. (see link for photo of the scene)
westcoaster: Never seen one of those guitars, but it sounds like a sweet deal, and that's what really matters.
Pat B: Don't know what to think about that 4-track in the photo. Perhaps they used more than one recorder during the sessions. In the article, Simon did mention that "Capitol took a long time delivering the stuff and installing the equipment." Maybe they also had the 4-track on hand during rehearsal sessions as a back-up. During the Classic Album video, they do seem to have more than 4-track session tape on hand.
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My link
Payback is a bitch, ain't it?
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Posted by:Friend0
Heard a very good song by Susan Werner a few days back. Misery and Happiness.
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Posted by:bob w.
"You remember Leonard Skinner. He got ptomaine poisoning last night after dinner."
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Posted by:rosalind
"In the year of nineteen thirty-six, in the town of San Antonea young man in a hotel room stares down a microphone
He sings each song once and then sings it once again
And each song comes from a hole inside where a soul once had been
The records made the jukes all a-cross the South land
Pretty women wondered, was he charmed or was he damned
Look over his shoulder, was there somthin' there he feared?
Turn your back for just one second..
The man disappeared
The word came through St. Louis on up to Chicago
All the way to New York City where the blues just come and go
Someone took his picture once and an angel stopped and cried
In his eyes, it was there to see, he had crossed the other side
In a bar on a warm spring night there was a man come through the door
He had a bottle with a broken label.. and Robert'd seen his face before
He said "This is my very best. Drink it down. Drink it slow.
And when I call your name again, you just pack up and go."
Was it some kind of trick or did he jump the price?
Or did he find a way in hell to sell his own soul twice/
Cause there's a cry in the wind tonight, and only one man makes that sound
Baby grab your hat and coat
Robert Johnson's back in town"
Bill Morrissey
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: Celebutards
I know what ya mean Kristie.. I'd like to know who was in charge when they passed the torch to Bono and U2 as spokesmen for a whole generation. If U2 is impressed with ya, that's your stamp of aproval?
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Posted by:kristie
I went to see Martha Wainwright at the commodore a couple months back and her husband/bass player hit on me in the middle of "you cheated me." I was standing at the front of the stage and he said "I like your hat," and then proceeded to try to talk to me all the while Martha is singing her heart out. What a cad!
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Posted by:Kristie
Subject: AntonyI am going to see Antony and the Johnsons! He is so ugly and beautiful.
I have to say U2 ruined "Tower of song" for me in "I'm your Man.". It is one of my favorites, and although I appreciate how sincere Bono is with his love for leonard's music, I couldn't help but feel that performance would fit really nice into a lounge act should they ever run out of their gazillion dollars(Leonard lost a few million to his manager..or five).
Northern Boy-I did indeed pick that album up along with"house of refuge." I am enjoying both. I will check that show out if I can. Sounds great! However, I may have to pick up a forth job to pay for all these concerts! I have a few coming up that I am excited about
Guy Clark
Kris Kristofferson
Joan Baez(Not my favorite but a legend).
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: Fuck the Wainrights
jeffo and Others: What Irony. I watched that documentary from beginning to end as tonight it premiered on The Sundance Channel. I came in here just as Rufus Wainright was butchering one of Leonard's songs. Unfortunately, he went on to butcher others. one of them with invaluable help from his sister " The Incomparable Martha". Luckily the night was saved by Nick Cave, who gave a couple beautifully spooky renditions of Mr. Cohen's work and Antony of that Johnsons fame. That guy flips me out. He has some kind of sexual/mental disorder that was strangely attractive to me..
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Posted by:Peter M.
Location: the land of hard-shelled reptilesSubject: It's a stretch, but...
I had to (badly) attempt to tie in a stray reference of mine with a Leonard Skynard reference (Didn't Allen Sherman reference a camp buddy named Leonard Skinner, in "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah?") Makes me doubt the gym teacher story about the name. Anyhow, one time I saw David Lindley play with just Wally Ingram on drums, kickin' out as much sound as any competent 4-5 piece band. Some ass in the crowd yelled out the oh so clever request for "Free Bird". In his nasally voice, Mr. Dave answered, "Oh yeah? Think we can't play that one?" And then he and Wally delivered a great half-a-"Free Bird" on drums and bazouki. Delightful.
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Posted by:Peter M.
Location: with the turtlesSubject: Leonard Cohen
Jeff0 and others, What irony! When I arrived home from work an hour ago, my wife was up, watching a Leonard Cohen performance on The Sundance Channel. I came in as he was doing a couple of songs with U2 just backing him up. Then he spoke of his image as a poet, and people "kindly" referring to him as a singer, even while disparaging his own vocal range. No worries, mon, many of my favorite vocalists are not singers widely embraced by the public for their ability to carry a tune: David Lindley, Bob, Jerry Garcia, Clifton Chenier, Ry Cooder, Townes, Warren Zevon, Roy Carrier and on and on. Even though I only caught the last 10 minutes of the show, I was held rapt by the depth of the material. Fortunately for me, it reruns on Thurs, 2/5 at 1 PM, so I set the DVR to nail it. I know many Band fans are also fans of his, so, how's this for advance warning? Others sit in with him including Rufus Wainright Teddy Thompson, and...I forget who else. I only saw a couple of minutes, and while the credits ran, I was scrambling to set the DVR before the show ended and I lost access to future showings. Anyhow, the title is "Leonard Cohen: I'm Your Man". Bon appetit!
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Posted by:Friend0
See Steve, I told you Westo wasn't no gawd damned socialist. Ain't no socialist gonna own that many gawd damned houses and boats and things. Not even geetars. I don't think any self respecting socialist would own that many geetars. A swashbuckling capitAlist, say aye.
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Posted by:Friend0
Yes, the original Skynyrd was a great live band. I caught em twice when i was 15 &16, capitol theatre in new jersey and the old academy of music in NYC. Openers were Charlie Daniels and I 'm prety sure Marshall Tucker,though I couldn't say who opened which show. This was before their live album was recorded, and i have to say the recorded live version of Freebird paled n comaprison to what I thought of the live sversions i saw. By the time the live album was recorded, they loosened and Hollywooded up a bit. As witnessed by What's Your Name, the single from Street Surviors, released around the time of the crash. On the other hand, That Smell, from the same album, was as strong as any rock and roll song could ever be.
Ros, Friendo don't bendo. Which is one reason why i have always refrained from doing things that could land me in the hoosegow. I did spend one night in a local jail house cell one time, back in 2005. Technical bullshit, to do with law changes after 9-11. Thankfully,it was a rather mild jail experience, but just to make sure i didn't fall asleep I stood the entire night and morning. Maybe about 14 hours all told.
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Posted by:rosalind
I'm sitting here watching that Leonard Cohen musical documentary I'm Your Man" and Rufus Wainright is interpreting "Everybody Knows". Personally, I feel he should have been banned from this documentary for he just butchered that song! Don't know about the others yet. ZZZZ - No, I haven't read that book. I heard about it tho.
NB - You're very welcome!
Brennan - Why didn't you let us know that your hometown had such a terrific circus? Painted up clowns and tightrope walkers galore!
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Old Axes
DAVID P; Maybe you'll find this interesting. About a month back when I went down to Powell River to look at a house, (I just bought it yesterday.) While strolling thru' the mall looking around I spy this guitar in a glass case out in the centre court, along with a couple mandolins and Fender amps.
For some time, I've been kind of looking around for an old Telecaster. I can't really play them well enough, but they are great to fool around with, and I love the sound. Any way this guitar is a 1976 Epiphone teley copy, with a 1976 Aria Teley copy neck, and has Humbuckers in it. I called the number to find out about it, and the lady who answered took my e mail, the guy who owns and sells this stuff called me. (He's some kind of a religious fella, goes all thru Mexico and the southern states in the winter buying up guitar etc at garage sales and what have you. Fixes them up and sells them, and uses the money for relieve for people in Mexico. So I bought it off him for $350.
Today when coming home I stopped at my brother's place, got in his studio and he put it thru some paces. Yikes! does it play and sound FINE. So Lorne calls it the "Hybrid" guitar. Well he liked it so much he wanted to keep it. Then he started with the usual insults, "You can't play the damn thing good enough you shouldn't have it anyway." I had to rip it out of his hands....little bastard!
But what a beautiful neck it has and sound. I've never seen one before, wondered if you have. It's the natural wood blonde, really heavy, four bolt pattern on the neck to body, with a nice hole in the pick guard at the base of the neck to the adjustment for the rod. Not quite as big as a Teley, but heavy.
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Posted by:Pat B
David, exactly, and it looks like a 4 track. I'm not doubting John Simon's recollection, but I don't know why it would be there. Also, it looks like they're set up to record Rag Mama Rag.
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Posted by:bob w.
Kevin, I've been a fan of that Tom Dowd documentary as well. Very well done. I was fortunate to have seen Billy Powell perform in the original lineup in Philly. They were a very, very good live band and he was quite a player. I would add that the management at Electric Factory Concerts had a great deal of respect for them as good people and true professionals.Glad to hear you are enjoying MTB.
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: Rory StewartOK, Brien, lets leave the first part of the discussion behind and move on to more fertile ground.
If you want an informed opinion on the situation in Afghanistan, I'd suggest that there is a remarkable fellow at Harvard University who knows the situation on the ground in Afghanistan better than most people from outside the country.
He's a Scotsman of incredible inner strength and courage. He's literally a man who's gone where few have gone before.
You may have heard of him and his exploits. I read his first book, The Places In Between, about his walk across Afghanistan a couple of years ago and have basically stopped listening to most talking heads when they start giving advice on what should be done about " The Afghan Problem, ever since. Granted it's one man's view but I don't know of any other person who brings insights into the situation in that country that has really done more to get to know and understand Afghans and Afghanistan.
His advice to Obama is that the west should do what it does best when it comes to Afghanistan, build roads, feed people, build hospitals and schools, do whatever they can to help develop an economy ( there really is none) and avoid trying to do what we can't do which is sort out the politics by getting involved in any way in trying to shape the political structure in the country.
He has great empathy for Karzai and doesn't think anyone could do better in that country right now. Coincidentally, I just listened to him being interviewed on CBC radio about 10 minutes ago. If you don't know his story google him and read the Wiki entry and maybe the synopsis of his first book that I mentioned.
After you've read what someone like him has to say and then read that article you posted you can't help but respond. Sorry.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Billy Powellbob w: Billy powell is part of the Tom Dowd doc along with a few of the other guys from the band.....sad indeed. On the subject of another great southern band......again thanks for the MTB clip of the other day. A band that I had totally forgotten about. Downloaded their first and some other material. Really enjoying it.
Re: David's article - two things stand out Southern Man playing in background on SHA and the fact that the real Skynard was only really together for 4 years!
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Posted by:David P.
Web: My linkSubject: R.I.P. Billy Powell
In tribute to Billy Powell, here's a link to an article on the recording of "Sweet Home Alabama", featuring "one of the great rock & roll keyboard performances." TURN IT UP!!
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Posted by:bob w.
Billy Powell was one hell of a piano player. Sad news.
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Posted by:David P.
Pat B: I think I see the tape machine you're talking about. Is that it in the background behind John Simon?
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Posted by:Mike
Web: My linkSubject: RIP Billy Powell, Lynyrd Skynard keyboardist.
Powell passed away early this morning due to a possible heart attack @ 56-yrs old.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Brown AlbumRereading this article on the Brown album – especially the part on engineers - reminds me of the great Tom Dowd doc “Language of Music”. Anyone who has not seen this – I would strongly encourage you to do so.
Drove for a few hours last night – started with Nick Drake, and then the Arctic Monkey’s, followed by Paul Weller (superb collection of greatest hits from solo career) and concluded with Marshall Tucker Band. Best 3 hour drive in years!
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: beyond Hope, BC.Subject: Kristie
FYI: "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues", which you enjoyed in concert, is on Jim Byrnes "Fresh Horses" CD. He's come out our way (Harrison Hot Springs) a couple of times in the last year. He does indeed do a great job on that joke you recounted here recently. He's part of a big affair March 7 at the Commodore Ballroom in Vancouver, called the Motown Meltdown. A nine-piece house band, three back-up singers, and maybe a dozen artists like Jim appearing over the course of the evening. Have you heard a Vancouver band called The Blue Vodoo ? (not to be confused with Blue Vodoo). NB
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Posted by:Pat B
Web: My link
David, about half way down in this thread is a very clean shot of the 3M 8 track that was available at that time.
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Posted by:Pat B
David P, that really is a great article. It's obvious from Simon's recollection that they used 8 tracks, however unless I'm demented I only see one tape machine in the three Landy photos, a 4 track in the very first photo. That's also the back of the mixing board in the first photo that has all the hanging wires and gizmos with Garth trying to help John Simon make sense out of them.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: WHY
Welcome folks…….In aisle 1..we have Levon Helm and Robbie Roberston footwear…..in aisle 2 - we have the Afghanistan war.... aisle 3 leads to the basement where we're listening to KISS and getting high………………
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Posted by:Jean
JQ, I generally watch MSNBC. Morning Joe is my favorite of all the morning shows. I watch very little FOX - I like the 6:00 show that Brit Hume used to anchor and I like FOX News Sunday - oh, and Neil Cavuto. But I don't believe for a minute that MSNBC isn't completely in the bag for President Obama. Geez, some of the female anchors look like they're going to cry if anyone so much as hints that the president doesn't walk on water. Nora O'Donnell gets down right rude with her guests if they don't worship at the alter of the president. And Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Rachel Madcow can't even really be called journalists. Cheerleaders is a better fit.I'm not fooled by FOX. I have my own mind and I'm able to come to my own conclusions. I think, though, that if one posts here and doesn't profess undying disgust and hate for Mr. Bush one is considered a lackey for FOX or the far right.
To paraphrase the president and nutty Nancy, 'you won'. Take the high road.
Oh, and if it weren't for FOX and some print media nutty Nancy and her 'if we have fewer children we'll spend less on entitlements that's why contreception should be in the stimulus bill' might not have seen the light of day. Doesn't some of the bull in the bill bug you?
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: David P
Great Link!
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Posted by:Kristie
Subject: zzzzz
zzzz-I have read "The Glass Castle" and enjoyed it very much. Anyone who has had an unconventional upbringing will relate to the absurdity of it all. The fact that people are able to survive horrendous upbringing's like that and still are able to succeed in life is a testament to the human spirit.
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Posted by:Brien Sz
just so folks know.., that's the last of the Peters thread I'll comment on.
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Posted by:Brien Sz
Steve - Peters is retired military intelligence. He has spent many years in both Iraq and Afghanistan, in the streets, imbedded, in secret, what have you..., he's connected. I didn't quite take the same read as you.., how did I know that. And why is that your sources are always the truer, less biased ones? I thought he was essentially saying we shuoldn't think these people want what we have here because it isn't in them to do so, nor do they have the seeming political know-how to make it so, live it, work it - that's not racist, that's called an opinion based what I would think is more likely his experience in the region, his military years, his connections, his first hand reports with actually talking to citizens of these countries (which if you can call up his pieces you'll see he does his fair share of man in the street talks) - this of course couldn't be as accurate as your viewing and listening habits from the unbiased sources you cull your information from, from. So if we are going to make a military effort there.., let's be honest about the intentions and the end result. He is a no bones guy about things..,. and killing and having to kill is somehting he doesn't seem to have issue with. Good or bad, you essentially need that kind of nerve to run military ops..., and if he expresses it so and it comes off without compassion, then so be it. Know one ever said you had to like it.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: The Brown Album Photos
If you look closely at the Landy photos, you can see that Levon & Robbie had similar tastes for comfortable footwear. Both are wearing moccasin loafers. Also check out the maze of wires & gadgets around Garth's keyboards. Robbie is pictured with his Howard Roberts Epiphone guitar.
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Posted by:Norbert
Location: GermanySubject: The Brown Album
David P, thanks for The Brown Album article.
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Fox vs MSNBCJean -
I think you're a sucker for Fox: that the Bush administration was terrible is not a Liberal notion at all, it's the truth. I hate to tell you, but to Steve's point, there is no major Liberal media in the US.
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Steve, I think I agree with you, but
why do you think Obama remains so hell-bent on Afghanistan?
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Posted by:Jean
Subject: Steve
One has to watch both Fox and MSNBC and then find the 'truth' somewhere in the middle. Both have their agendas.
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Posted by:David P.
You can click on the Elliott Landy photos accompanying the article to enlarge them. In the third one, you can clearly see the mixing console with 8 VU meters. Also visible are the old Altec monitors hanging on the walls.
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Posted by:Steve
Brien, anyone who has access to and follows reports about what is going on in Afghanistan from sources outside the US media, by that I mean the media most Americans get their news from, really couldn't get very far into that article without wondering if the were reading FOX news in print form.What a pile of rubbish.
Has this guy been to Afghanistan? What does he base his understanding on.
I almost stopped reading when I got to "the mothership of terrorist training ground again", but kept going .
If you'd like to have an informed opinion on Afghanistan try scouting out reporting done by British or Canadian reporters who live there, not the ones in military compounds but the ones who have been there for a decade or more. They exist and they'll give you a completely different picture than this shit. Sorry, it's just so bad it would be laughable if it wasn't so sad and if it didn't help maintain the perception that these people are not like us so you just can't expect them to react in a rational way about anything. Almost makes them seem like a different species rather than our fellow human beings.
This is just uninformed racism dressed up as legitimate opinion, no more no less. What value do you think he places on Afghan lives? Surely not as much as on American lives.
By the way, the 70 or so dead Afghans that I saw laid out on the ground, that wedding party that included many young children, must have left their Kalashnikovs at home that day. I'm sure the US pilots wouldn't have killed innocent people, but by his definition there are no innocent dead Afghans. If the military kills them they were Taliban.
He'd like us to keep telling ourselves that these Afghans are dying for a good cause. Their sacrifice may make us safer and what could be more worthy?
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Posted by:David P.
Web: My linkSubject: The Candyman's Pool House
Link to an informative article on the recording of The Brown Album.
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Posted by:Zzzz
Web: My link
Roz, my kids love to groove on that riff... on guitar and drums... though just beginners... but what I really came here to ask... is if you've read... and maybe liked... a book called the Glass Castle?...
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: "you've got to kick at the darkness until it bleeds daylight."“To thrive, society needs a sense that we're looking out for each other, needs to know where it came from and what sacrifices were made to create it. It needs to be literate as well as web-wise. We have to stop the haemorrhaging in health care and education, the shrinking of environmental safeguards. We've got to get past the fad of privatization, the mercantile system sucked when they tried it in the 1700s and it sucks now. It's our community, it's our world.” – Bruce Cockburn 2001 Hall of Fame induction ceremony
Bill M: To bring the Richler discussion into a Band context……..while I like MFBP – I do not have a connection to it in the way the oldtimers here do. I came to the Band in 1977 through Rock of Ages. Trying to impress a friend that I had more than Bowie, Faces and Led Zep in the house, I pinched Rock of Ages from my older brother's collection. I still remember everything about that day and the music perfectly. By the time Last Waltz came out the next year I thought of myself as a Band expert. Still didn’t own any of their music but I at least knew who they were. After LW, I purchased the Brown album and was stunned…..Buying MFBP a few months later actually left disappointed after the first few spins. I guess it matters at what point in ones life that exposure to music or literature happens. As much as I like Solomon Gursky ( a great book by any standard ) Duddy Kravitz will also be my favourite Richler work.
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Posted by:kristie
I think I have been reading too much Bukowski lately because I had an urge to yell at the barista at my local cafe today for no reason. Usually I am too nice and over tip even if they are rude to me.Anyways,
Steve-Good music for running/biking around your city of choice. I am having trouble finding A hundred dollars though, but will keep up the search.
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Afghanistan & Viet NamBrien Sz -
Not too bad from The Post and I think your man is mostly right - Obama has to clarify his rationales there. If the Taliban are not global terrorists & Osama BL is hunkered in a remote spec or in Pakistan, what is so urgent about the country of Afghanistan? Please don't tell me it's about democracy. The lessons-learned there by the Ruskies and Brits (see Flashman #1) need to be understood by Obama.
The writer's take on Viet Nam is different to most right-wingers, but at least he got the essential truth right - that the North & Viet Cong were highly motivated and the South wasn't.
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Posted by:roz
If you don't watch it, your name's gonna get changed to "Bendo"
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Posted by:rosalind
Hey Jeff Your seams aren't too straight and your slip's showin a little bit. Where'd you spend the nite anyway?
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Posted by:Friend0
NB, as you would say, you've UNWITTINGLY solved a mystery for me. quite some time back, i noticed soemthing odd about Bruce Coburn and Bruce Cockburn. Sure seemed like the same person to me. Though i had heard him before, he got a lot of push when he was duoing with Rob Wasserman.Or maybe Wasserman got alot of push whem he was duoing with Co(ck)burn. Anyway, i do have two or three of his recordings somewhere, and I enjoyed them. The most memorable one for me, which is not to say it was the best, and i think the one that got the most airplay here, was the one with If A Tree Falls.THat silent ck only helps some of the time. For example, if he has or had young kids, when they get new schoolteachers, and they do roll call, ect etc etc.
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Posted by:Brien Sz
Web: My linkSubject: An OP-Ed piece
Ralph Peters is one of my favorite Op-Ed writers. A bit Hawk-ish, very smart, neither Republican or Democrat, though I suspect a bit more right leaning, he never has a problem taking any administration to task. In this piece, he doesn't, at all, take Obama to task but simply wants an answer to a very crucial question. Enjoy.
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Posted by:Brien Sz
I have the Raising Sand album. I love Alison Krauss and her teaming up with Plant looked exciting. However, as well made as the album is, on the whole, I found it dull. Don't get me wrong, their are some gems, but as a straight thru listen, it is way too mellow for my liking. I don't mind some slow songs but please could we have a pulse. Now I say this, because the majority of my cd listening is done in the car. The second most is done on my computer and I have a variety of "writing" music that is their - Krauss/Plant did not make that cut, though I can see adding a couple songs, but it just hasn't been done yet. The third most of my music listening comes when working out and I can say that if the music isn't kicking some ass, then it isn't in the rack.
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Posted by:Steve
Sorry Bill, but there's just no use beatin a dead snake. I heard a great version of House of The Rising Sun yesterday by the Canucklehead group, The Be Good Tanyas, which takes the song back to its Appalachian roots with some banjo and played in a more jovial major key, but as Roz pointed out it just might be my ability to see the sunny side of life, even if it's not there, that gives it such appeal.
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Posted by:Bill M
Location: Ottawa todayWeb: My link
Ros: I certainly like the riff in that Zep clip you posted, but my favourite bit is at 1:14 where Plant pulls down his miniskirt.
Steve: I wish you hadn't gone and killed the snake thread, as I was going to say that it's so cold here today the snake would shatter into a hundred shards if you ran over it today. (So sorry, dlew, to hear about your 40 degrees above, celsius.)
Dunc: NB's clip shows Bruce Cockburn playing "The Soul Of A Man", originally written and recorded by Blind Willie Johnson. It is the key song of Cockburn's "Nothing but a Burning Light" album, the one that I encouraged you to check out a couple of weeks ago. (In his song, Johnson comes to the conclusion that the soul of a man is nothing but a burning light, which is at least a wonderful image.)
Re the Black Hen label, I forgot to mention that the list of artists also includes Shuyler Jansen, who is also one of the frontmen of Old Reliable, the Alberta group whose "Pulse of Light / Dark Landscape" album I've mentioned a number of times because of its Bandish cover photos by Elliot Landy - though the music's great too.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: Well, I'm Still Up..Due to insomnia that appears for weeks at a time about four to six times a year. Steve, Sometimes a calling isn't a choice. And, if you got nothing left then you got no emotional energy to spend on anger or regrets. Sometimes life can drain us so dry that we simply just lay down in the cold and die. That's why I see the song as hopeless. Ragtime nmentioned that he felt it was about surrender. Steve, You're just too fucking happy! Has anyone heard that Raising Sand album by Alison Kraus and Robert Plant? They done TVZ's "Nothin'" on that album. Robert Plant had never heard of Townes before that song was mentioned in the studio. Now that's a hopeless song too.
As brothers our troubles are
Wrapped in each other's arms
And you better pray that they never find you
Cause Your back ain't strong enough
For burdons doublefold
They'll crush ya down
Down into nothin'
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Posted by:Steve
Roz I guess I take the positive view of " The road was his calling". It makes it sounds like a choice that was made as opposed to being the result of having no choice. That, plus the no regrets, no debt, no anger make the song a positive one for me and the conclusion of a life well lived. But, that's just the vibe I get from it and always have. I like singing it.NB, If you're going to say, silent K, as in Knife, then please be consistent and say, silent C, as in Crap music. Remember you're trying to help Jeff not confuse him.Now, carry on as before.
OK the fucking SNAKE SONG is dead, let it's name never again be mentioned in this GB!Bill, obviously you've never read Jacob Two Two Meets The Hooded Fang. Gary Busey is the Band connection with Two Two.
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Posted by:rosalind
There's this 2008 documentary called "Ride Of Their Lives" It's the history of Nascar. This is a great documentary that's they been playing it on Showtime. Catch it if you can. I never noticed it before but Richard Petty and Levon Helm are so similar in a lot of ways. It's uncanny. I had forgotten Tim Richmond...
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Posted by:Ari S.
I often get the feeling that Robbie and Rick and Richard long for the cold of Canada. Very good.
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Posted by:NB
Subject: Stumbleupon
Thanks Ros.
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My linkYep
I found the best of the best in free playlists while stumbling in the stumbleupon thingy. It's called "Finetune". Fabulous! I'm listening to Ray Wylie Hubbard singin "Dust of the Chase" from "The Texas Outlaws" album right this second.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: they call my home the land of snowWeb: My link
Subject: Bruce Co(ck)burn / The Apprenticeship of NB
Ros: It was a neat site visually. That "Soul Of A Man" intro tune works well with all the black and white still shots of Bruce. You mean there's really a "stumpleupon" thingy for the internet ? I'll have to figure out how that works as I've been working way too hard up till now just randomly stumbling upon stuff. And I'm all for taking all the work out of not working at all, if you catch my drift.
Friendo: The ck in Cockburn is silent, much like the k in knife and the c in rap music. I thought Ros might've picked up on it. NG and I really liked Bettye LaVette in Washington the other day. I'd always liked what I'd heard of her on the blues channel I listen to but had never seen her perform. I think you spoke well of her here not long ago. I'd have much preferred her doing a solo number though, sans Jon Bon Jovial.
Bill M: I heard Mordecai Richler give a reading at York University (Toronto). It was on a (you guessed it) high school field trip. The readings were great but the Q & A after was better, as the man routinely answered most of the highbrow literary- type questions with clever and snappy one-liners. Then you'd get the serious response. A lot of stand-up comic in that Mordecai. (Hadn't heard mention of the group Edward Bear for maybe 35 yrs. years till you spoke of them the other day. Together with all our Pickering connections, it calls to mind Robbie's lyric "Oh, this is really starting to stir up some ghosts for me"). NB
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Ros
I was called Joanie by my family when I was young. They still do, except the spelling of it is Joni as ls Ms. Mitchell. For a period for time in my teens, the "I" was nauseatingly dotted with a circle. Fortunately I got over that. Most people just call me Joan nowadays, but feel free to use Joanie or Joni, I still answer to both
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My link
Under this link is the only time I ever enjoyed watching and listening to Led Zeppelin
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Posted by:Zzzz
Roz, some of the Stairway rhythm guitar sounds a lot like Dylan's All Along The Watchtower too... I still think they played it "new" though... which maybe doesn't look like much from today... with everybody playing like they do... if you know what I mean...
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My link
I just stumbledupon this..
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Posted by:Bill M
Web: My linkSubject: the Black Hen label
I had no idea that Jim Byrnes was on Black Hen. When the label was mentioned here a few months ago, I chipped in with the note that I had the David Wall CD, which I'd picked up mostly because he was backed by half of Danny Brooks' great band, including Richard Bell.
But then, I also had no idea that it was also the label of Jenny Whiteley and her husband, Joey Wright. Joey I've seen a bunch of times as a member of the Hogtown Boys bluegrass band, who I've mentioned here a couple of times over the years, mostly to say that their singer/bassist would've been a good candidate for the Rick role in any Band biopic. Jenny's father, Chris, I saw just last weekend, playing guitar, harmonica and trumpet behind the redoubtable Curley Bridges at Curley's 75th birthday gig. Curley came to Toronto from Washington DC in 1955 as part of a jump blues / R&B band called Frank Motley and the Motley Crew. That'd be three years before Ronnie Hawkins.
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Posted by:rosalind
No, I have never deeply explored his music. I'm sure there are many very talented musicians out there that I haven't given much of a listen to. I stumbled upon it because I was playing around with that "Stumbleupon" thingy. You never know what'll pop up on that. The reason I posted the website here is that I liked the way it looked. Didn't know whether or not it was his "official" website since sometimes others set up sites for their favorite musicians and actors too. I guess it was "Official". I used the old fifties word "neat' tho.
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Posted by:Friend0
Gotta wonder if B.C. ever thought of changing his last name. Certainly makes for awkward introductions.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Subject: Ros/Bruce Cockburn/The Mississippi SheiksThe other day you linked us to Bruce Cockburn's website, saying you thought it was cool and that it was something you'd stumbled upon. I'm curious to know just how familiar with his music you are. He's great vocally, lyrically, and musically, so he's well-worth exploring if you're not. (I'd of course say this even if he weren't a Canucklehead).
There's an album coming out soon that's a tribute to The Mississippi Sheiks. It's on Steve Dawson's Blackhen label out of Vancouver. Bruce Cockburn recorded his cut for this back in December. Other artists, including Jim Byrnes who records on Dawson's label, have also contributed to the project. Ry Cooder was going to be involved but I'm not sure that came to fruition.
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Posted by:Jan F.
Location: snowy metro DCThere were planes taking off/landing at Washington National (aka Reagan National) while we were on the Mall for the inauguration. Maybe they were held during the actual ceremony --- I didn't notice.
There is an interview in the new Rolling Stone (the one with Bruce on the cover) with Kings of Leon singer Caleb Followill where he mentions the influence THE BAND has had on him. Also mention of Townes Van Zandt.
J.F.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: JoaniePoint taken.. Hope you don't mind me referring to you as joanie.. I like that name.
Ari - I get the feeling you feel you have to apogize for certain things.. No need for you to be sensitive. You are you. Stop apologizing for it. I think you're refreshing. Young people should not have to apologize for being young.
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Posted by:David P.
Bill M: And former Great Speckled Bird drummer N.D. Smart also was a member of the Fallen Angels band, with Mr. Flanz, that backed Gram Parsons & Emmylou Harris on tour.
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Posted by:rosalind
Steve - I wasn't trying to make a direct link between Hobo Jungle and Ironweed, My feelings about the origins of Hobo Jungle were voiced in an earlier post. I did draw a direct line between Townes' "Marie" and Kennedy's "Ironweed". The entire Albany Cycle should be read and read more than once more than once. I don't believe they've compiled The Albany Cycle into one or two volume, but they should AND It should be required reading in high schools. The Ink Truck, Legs, Billy Phelan's Greatest Game, Quinn's Book and Very Old Bones should be read by EVERYONE.Robert Aldrich's Emperor of the North Pole in a wonderful film with a marvelous introduction by Marty Robbins singing "A Man and a Train" but I don't believe that something as deep and personal feeling as Hobo Jungle came from something as simple as being inspired by a film. That's like saying Out Of The Blue came from being inspired from a film. Some songs come from life .. Being drawn to train yards, taking to the rails is a harrowingly emotionally naked thing in some cases. It means you got nothing left. That something has taken place in your life that has stipped you bare of life and has left you a shell, a ghost. To use that as metaphor in a song or anything is very revealing.
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Posted by:Ari S.
Sorry that was a really hasty interpretation of the song I don't know why I did that. I have stronger feelings towards that song than what I just wrote.
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Posted by:Bill M
David P: Thanks for the extra digging re the Keiths. Don't quiz me next week though - I'll have mixed them up again. I remember reading an interview with a then-extant Gram Parsons in the early '70s where he raved about his steel guy, Neil Flanz, who I think he said had also played with the Tysons. Anyway, Landmark probably knows something about Flanz, a Montrealer who was doing rockabilly back in the very early '60s. Probably knew Mark London.
Steve / Kevin: To me, the best Richler book, better even than Duddy Kravitz, was "Solomon Gursky was Here". Masterful interweaving of the mythic and the quoitidian.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: hobo
I always imagine it's a kind of romanticisation of Richard's life. I think it works very well, better than Rags and Bones, they're both beautifully crafted. But the pairing of those songs is one of the reasons that NLSC works as an album, they kind of bookend it, Forbidden Fruit - which I also love - notwithstanding.
You know a song the Band might have covered well? Lay It Down, I know the version by Waylon Jennings. In fact I have a feeling I might play it right about now.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Hobo Jungle
Knowing that Robbie is a cinephile, maybe the song was inspired by Robert Aldrich's 1973 film "Emperor of the North Pole", featuring Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine & Keith Carradine.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Ari \RosAri, be careful and be safe.
Ros, I just really liked that version of the song. I'm not asking anyone anything.
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Posted by:Steve
I have seen Ironweed back in the 80's and vaguely remember the story. After your post I read a couple of articles about the story and it's definitely a tragedy which seems to have been strongly influenced by his Irish Catholic upbringing in Albany NY.J2Rs' song doesn't seem to be about a character with the baggage of Francis Phelan who's killed two people one of whom was his baby son, so except for the hobo connection I'm not sure why I should change my view of the song.
I'll take J2Rs word for it that " he was a stray bird and the road was his calling". Maybe being anchored to a farm I look at pursuing the horizon as as being a worthy ambition something I was fond of in my younger years.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Joshua Then and NowSteve: Ted Kotceff was of the view that Gabrielle Lazure's voice ( not sure if it was accent or just command ) was not up to snuff. Either he or the producers decided to have someone else do a voice over. It was met with howls as to be expected and blinded people from seeing what was, on the whole, a good film.
I miss Mordecai Richler. Reading "The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz" in grade 9 turned me on to many good things....reading and Montreal are two that come to mind. Also, while most pundits are no better than sewer rats, he stood out as about the best there was. I still remember Barbara Frum one night - in quite a huff - saying "well so and so said this...what is your response"...Mordecai just smirked and said "well no one takes anything so and so says seriously after 4:00pm" the inside story known to most but lost on the always clueless Barbara was that so and so was a legendary drunk...........
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: A Great Speckled Bird band is worth two Keiths in the bush...
I checked on Jim Colegrove's website regarding the members of Great Speckled Bird. Adding to the confusion is that Bill Keith was in the original 1968 configuration. He was replaced a year later by steel guitarist Buddy Cage, who appeared on the Ampex debut LP. A year or so later, he left the group and was replaced by Ben Keith.
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Posted by:rosalind
Steve - I would suggest you seeking out William Kennedy's "Ironweed" if you feel that Hobo Jungle's about "a life well lived. The film, directed by Hector Bebenco and starring Jack Nicholson and Meryl Streep in the most harrowing perfomances of their careers isn't even out on DVD. A crime if you ask me. Tom Waits sings Big Rock Candy Mountain in that movie. it's awe inspiring. Townes van Zandt got the inspiration for writing Marie from watching Ironweed.
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Posted by:Kalervo Koskela
Location: FinlandWeb: My link
It was pleasant surprise to find the old guestbook live and well!
A Finnish TV channel was showing the document on the making The Band' s second album yesterday. And so I decided to find the guestbook again.
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Posted by:Steve
Hobo Jungle always sounds like a life well lived to me. No anger, no regrets, no debts. We should all be that lucky.Brien, if you can't identify it, I think you're saying it's a UFO by definition. Don't be scared.
Jack what's so important about political expertise? We've just seen 8 years of life under a career politician. Arnold seems to be doing an interesting job and he stepped in straight out of the entertainment business. Hey ROZ, shit or get off the pot. What exactly goes up your ass about Obama? Inquiring minds want to know. Is it us, or him?
Kevin, why was there a voice over in Joshua.
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Posted by:rosalind
"She attended the funeral in the Hobo JungeAlong with a lover
Tho never could they wed"...
You can sit physically still and ride those rods. You can sit in your livingroom and freeze to death in that jungle
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Posted by:Ragtime
"Here I lie without anger or regret - I'm in no one's debt"This is not about Robbie's "goddamn impossible way of life". It's about surrendering, let go... look back but not in anger. "The road was his calling", yes, but not that road... Hobo Jungle is one of my all time favorites anyway, a soulful song, much underrated.
"Any Way To Say Goodbye...": what a great surprise, wow! Great song, and Richard's voice is remarkably strong. So Terry is singing the second verse? Sounds like Richard to me too...
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Posted by:dlew919
Subject: A goddamn impossible way of lifeThere are millions of songs about 'the road', and it's almost a cliche that the second album (or third) of any band has a song about it. To me, though, 'The Band' do it the best: Neil Finn's 'Better Be Home Soon' is also terrific; and Abba's 'Super Trouper' (All I do is eat and sleep and sing/ wishing every show was the last show)
Alanis Morrisette (another Canuck) once said all songs about hte road suck - a lot do, but boy should she listen to The Boys...
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Posted by:rosalind
Huh? There's a much deeper meaning in that song. Joan, are you asking the same people to stand by you that asked you to stand by them during the last administration? Kool-aid anyone?
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: Hobo Jungle
I think there's a fair enough amount of exposition to say that it's about a man on whose life was destroyed or overcome by the road. I'll be shipping off to Israel for the next few months by the way, so if I'm not around for a little while, thats why. I might be though, take care if not.
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: peace through music around the world
Stand by me.
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Posted by:rosalind
Glad you enjoyed the picture, Joan.Barack is all things to all people ya know... Yes, He's Honest Abe and FDR and JFK and RFK and MLK and he's Bob Dylan too. Yoko'll be showin up at his door very soon I suspect.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Charlie Y Richard Manuel Song
Check Jan's What's New and enjoy!
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Posted by:rosalind
I don't believe "Hobo Jungle" is a song about life on the road and it's sacrifices. I feel it's a song about the state of someone's heart like "It Makes No Difference" Those songs are hopeless and were obviously written at the lowest point in someone's life. You actually have to have been to that point yourself to understand. Something I myself would never recommend
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Brien: I didn't see the original broadcast on CNN and I don't trust any anonymous YouTube videos as real. Period. I'm also saying that angle is exactly what I see planes use in recent years--and I've been a passenger in planes using that flight path at least a hundred times. The speed is certainly too fast, but the trajectory looks straight to me.For a while after the Pentagon attack planes were re-routed to approach up the Potomac from the south, but the airport is a short distance from the Washington Monument, just across the narrow Potomac. I've seen similar video from a wacky friend who believes every conspiracy theory out there. That particular video tries to demonstrate the Pentagon was never hit by a plane, but as someone who drove by the scene while smoke was still wafting up from the structure, I'd say that video is nonsensical.
But enough of this, did someone say there's a newly discovered Richard Manuel song?
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Posted by:Ari S.
I'm not sure when Just Another Whistle stop was recorded but it sounds a lot like the documentation (fictional of course since Robbie and Richard weren't on the train) of Festival Express. Or just life on the road (which Robbie has a fascination with in his TLW case and "Endless Highway", "Hobo Jungle", "To Kingdom Come" sorta, eh the list goes on).
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Posted by:Brien Sz
Charlie Y - So you are of the opinion then, that flight patterns around the D.C. area weren't altered due to the inauguration? And that that object that whipped through the frame, was actually a plane in a normal flight pattern - maybe you should take a ride to the mall, videtape planes coming in for a landing and then run that tape side by side with this one and see if the pattern, speed, and shape are the same. I will bet dollars for donuts that both the air traffic that day was re-routed so as to let nothing within miles of that site and that no plane makes that kind of manuever, at that speed, upon approach to any airport save, maybe, secret test sites. Now, do I believe that was a UFO - I have no idea what it was, but a plane..., I don't think so and I don't think a good sampling of folks on this site who watched that would believe that was a plane approaching for a landing. Plus, any stories I've come across on this subject has not mentioned any possibilty of a plane, unless it's a secret plane/craft of some sort.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Location: The EarthSubject: Mr. Spaceman
Restricted airspace? The "UFO" in that YouTube video looks like a commercial airliner in precisely the landing pattern planes have used at Washington's National Airport for over half a century. My father worked there for 20 years and was there the day an Air Florida plane crashed into the 14th street bridge with much less fortunate results than those of the recent plane which went down in the Hudson. These UFO theorists clearly have a LOT of free time. It must be nice not having to worry about keeping a job these days...
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Rafters
Bill M: What a surprise – I may have seen Stan Szelest without knowing it! Very true about the Wlicox band…..he pulled like The Beatles on the university pub/nightclub circuit. Late 70’s and underage at the time I saw his band in a few different clubs and people were literally hanging off the rafters. I had never seen anything like it before. I did see name acts like Rick Danko and George Thorogood in later years tear up a place but the Wilcox band did this for years apparently. Liquor sales were through the roof at these places. I wonder if he ever had to chase a manager into his office to collect that $200 to split 3 or 4 ways! By the way, he mentioned Leon Redbone in the interview and joked about the characters “development”.
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Posted by:Ben M
David P: Wouldn't surprise me, as I have a history of confusing the Keiths. According to my notes though, Amos told me in '77 (32 friggin' years ago, if I do the arithmetic!) that Bill Keith was in the early GSB, but he could've said "Ben" and I wrote "Bill".
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Ian & Sylvia
Bill M: Speaking of Ian & Sylvia, last Saturday I picked up a copy of their 45 single "You Were On My Mind" for a dime. It's the later Columbia re-recording of the song -- a white label radio station promo copy with the stereo mix on one side and the mono on the other. This single was on their Columbia album by the same name which featured the later version of the Great Speckled Bird band with Wilcox. I also have a copy of that LP which opens with a cover of "Get Up Jake". By the way, wasn't it Ben (not Bill) Keith who was part of TGSB band at that time?
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Posted by:Kevin J
David P: An interesting article on U2 – the explanation of process is believable though I would think quite rare. Seems to work where there is a lyricist/singer and 3 piece behind him as is the case in both REM and U2. More difficult for a Ray Davies or Pete Townsend or Roger Waters who brought both word and music to the studio. Joshua Now & Then: Although ripped by most critics, I very much enjoyed the movie. The voice over on the female lead was the thing that sent the newspaper boys into a tizzy – but unfairly.
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Posted by:Bill M
Subject: Dewey Cheatham and Howe
David P: Good of you to provide your services like this on a Pro Bono basis.
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Posted by:Bill M
Location: TorontoKevin J: I saw Wilcox a few times in the mid to late '70s. In '75 and '76 he was still sometimes booked as Papa Stovepipe, wore a stovepipe hat and a Snidely Whiplash mustache, and sang ancient blues song a la Leon Redbone. Then he got rid of his massive collection of blues 78s (the recipient being a 15 year old named Colin Linden) and moved in a rockier direction, with a great group that included Whitey Glan on drums and ex-Hawk Stan Szelest on keys. He was enormously popular in bars, commanding (so I've read) more than any act before or since.
Way before Ian and Sylvia he was part of a U of T parody-bluegrass crowd (e.g., the Gangrene Boys) with people like Joe Mendelson and Daisy Debolt (Steve take note). I believe that Amos did only part of the first season of Tyson's early '70s TV show, "Nashville North" then "The Ian Tyson Show". He told me that he wasn't in the group that recorded the live version of "Trucker's Cafe", so if you have the CD reissue of the Bearsville LP, it's Wilcox on the bonus track. Billy Mundi, by the way, was also on some of the TV shows, as was Bill Keith.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: The Beat Goes On
That other Bono did succeed in making the transition from a career in music to politics. Of course, starting out as a go-fer for Phil Spector didn't carry the same specter then as it does today.
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Posted by:Jack
Subject: Bono
I just wish Bono would keep to music and U2. Getting very tired of his know it all political views. Anyone can have an opinion; but I would hope there would be some political expertise; behind his patter. When he starts telling heads of state what to do, I worry. People like Dylan would sing about political situations; but you never saw Bob taking himself as politically serious as Bono.
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Posted by:Steve
Bill, I think you're confusing blacksmiths with farriers. Bill are you referring to the goalie who hangs out at the hotel bar who's name I've already forgotten even though I just read the book during the Christmas Holidays.I think the high-lites for me, at least the ones that made me laugh out loud was the striptease bar mitzvah. The knock out line was , " OK,anyone who has got a hard on please put up your hand."
Sneaking into the rich investor friend's house, removing all the labels from his investment wine collection and then shifting all the bottles around was also priceless.
I've been to Richler's country house on The Lake, not inside of course, but down that road described near the opening of the book as far as the cottage.
I went to his neighbor's dude ranch/ farm( a Quebec nationalist who hated Richler's guts and told me why for about 5 minutes in great detail )to pick up a bull I'd bought from him.
By the way, Joshua Then And Now, was made into movie.
Brien that was probably Bush's helicopter exiting the scene of his crimes at light speed.
Kevin absurd maybe but not in Rucker's eyes. he said everyone had a hand in the finished product and deserved credit and he did stress the fact that it makes for a feeling of harmony in the group which keeps the band together which was to everyone's benefit. It's one less item that can help bring an end to a band and they all agreed it was important right from the get go and though on hiatus they're still together after 20 years. I guess it depends, as a band, what you value.
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Posted by:David P.
Web: My linkSubject: Bono's Songwriting
Kevin J: U2 approaches songwriting as a collaborative process where each member contributes to the spirit of each song (see link). It's interesting to note that "Sweet Fire Of Love" from Robbie's S/T debut album is credited to JRR and U2.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: UFO's - Brien Sz
Even the Martians were pleased that Wolf Blitzer had lost his Sunday show. They showed up a few days later just to see if it was true. In one of the stills it also looks like it could be Roger Waters rehearsing for a new tour. Does anyone know where Ilkka was that day?????
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Posted by:Brien Sz
Web: My linkSubject: The UFO at the Inaugural
If anyone hasn't seen this, it is curious. I was told about it last night. It seems that the CNN camera over the Mall caught an object speeding through the restricted airspace. The actual news clip was pulled this afternoon from youtube but their are several of these there. This one shows the clip but without the commentary only music and then does a slight enhancement job on the clip..., Interesting how something that obviously makes an angular manuever can whiz through the tightest secured airspace in the recent memory.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: SongwritingBill M: I caught most of an interview with David Wilicox on CBC radio this weekend. He talked about joining the Ian & Sylvia band , replacing Amos Garret and working with Amos on the Maria Muldaur project. I’ve only known Wilcox as a solo performer and had not known about the Ian &Sylvia connection. I probably would have enjoyed him in that band as I love his playing but have never been taken by his singing.
Steve: REM and U2 are also examples of bands that credit all songs to all band members. I must say that I find the concept absurd. In Carol’s latest Band Bite, the guys she’s interviewing refer to a typical scene where Rick, Levon and Garth are out on the lawn throwing the ball around while Robbie and Richard are hard at work writing songs…….. John Phillips gave the lovely Michelle a piece of “California Dreamn” for fetching a pen in the middle of a night and for contributing 7 or 8 words – that I understand……but just giving someone a song credit for being a member of a band would be hard to do. Then again, Larry Mullen might be able to sell out some casino showrooms in 2040 by being billed “the man who wrote ‘One’”…………….Don Felder is doing two nights at a nearby casino being billed “the man who wrote Hotel California”…..In Felder’s case, at least he did write the music!!
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Posted by:Jean
Subject: High Horse
High Horse by the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band which really isn't about a horse at all.
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Posted by:Bill M
Steve: Okay okay, back to snakes. Who can forget "The Snake" by Al Wilson (not the Canned Heat guy). I think it's about Jacques Plante. The last novel I read, "Joshua Then And Now", has repeated references to a thinly veiled Gump Worsley, and last night in a bookstore I noted a 150+ book of poetry titled something like "Night Stories: The Sawchuk Poems" - with a picture of Terry, qua Leafian, on the cover.
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Posted by:Bill M
Web: My linkI have to think that this stampede of horse songs in the very early '70s reflected the back-to-the-land ethos of the time. A focus on the equine was more suited to a band getting it together in the country than was a focus on their little deuce coupes. Robbie Robertson's mind was more on trains than on either cars or horses, but he did title a 1971 song "The Last Of The Blacksmiths".
Another horse song of the day was "Barney" by Ian and Sylvia with the GSB. I see it's out on what looks to be a most excellent comp CD - see link.
An addendum to last week's posts about the Band and (self-) parody, it seems worth noting that among the officially unreleased basement tapes is "Be Careful Of The Stones You Throw".
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Posted by:Steve
Kevin you now have one more reason to fear Hootie, possibly more.Darius Rucker the front man for Hootie is now a country performer.
He's the first black man since Charlie Pride in 83 to have a number 1 single on the Country Chart.
In the interview I heard with him on CBC's Q last week he was asked about Hootie and The Blowfish , their success and longevity as a group even though the Blowfish have been on hiatus for the last couple of months.
He said that the guys in the group get along really well and attributed the fact that no matter how much anyone contributed to the song the songs were credited to all four members. He said they agreed that even though one person might carry the weight on a particular song the finished product was a collaboration. After 20 years the vibe is still good.\ While talking about huge record sales, Cracked Rear View is tied for 15th place on the all time highest album sales( 16 times platinum) in the US, but maybe David Crosby's back up singing pushed it over the top.
Kristie, I don't want you to think the War On Drugs mission has been forgotten. I've bought 3 tunes so far on I-tunes and my favorite of the three so far is, Barrel Of Batteries, but I've only given them one listen each so far so it's early. 100 Dollars didn't have anything available on I Tunes.
I think I might have been successful in diverting attention from my quest to get a good discussion on The Snake song going by making the horse reference. PLEASE TRY AND STAY FOCUSED ON THE SNAKE!
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Posted by:David P.
Kevin: George Strait recently surpassed the Hawks old friend Conway Twitty in the most #1 singles category with 56.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Ros
Great link from The New Yorker. Thanks.
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Posted by:bassmanlee
Subject: One more 1970 horse songRoger McGuinn's "Chestnut Mare" would also debut on the Byrds' "Untitled" album in 1970.
(I was surprised to see that Michael Martin Murphy's "Wildfire" did not appear until 1975.)
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Illkka
Ilkka: As to the inauguration, we were all there. Just stuck in the tunnel is all. Roz was the only one who made it through the crowds by flashing that knife of hers…. Afterwards, we all met up in a hotel room and played some white middle aged music. No one knew the Nazi bits though….. The one Republican in the group thought Asford and Simpson was a law firm. Everyone loved Aretha’s hat and quietly wondered what that said about us.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Richard Manuel - Rick Danko
Tim: Thanks for that Richard Manuel link in What's New. Always great to hear Richard's voice. Also enjoyed the link on right of the YouTube page of Rick Danko's Soundstage Java Blues performance.
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Posted by:Kevin
Subject: Thanks PatThe RIAA stats make for interesting reading. Would anyone guess that George Strait has out sold Bob Dylan over the last 30 years? In the “Over 10 Million album/cd sales” club, the expected names are there, Eagles, Beatles, Michael Jackson, Garth Brooks, Shania Twain all have multiple releases with over 10 million sales. While I would have bet on Zep IV being there (and it is) I would never have thought that “Physical Graffiti” had 16 million in sales! The hideous Hootie and the Blowfish are also on the list. Apparently they are the favourite band of players on the PGA tour. Bad enough being a caddy during the 18 holes with a bag on your shoulder…… imagine having to sit in a backseat while Biff and Ducky spin their favourite tunes on that road trip to the next city!!!
Ray Lamontagne is touring the UK in February. Wonder if any of our foreign correspondents will be there?
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Posted by:Tim
Location: BostonSubject: new richard song
Thanks to Terry's son for throwing it up there.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: any way to say g'bye
Wow - that really is a treat. As I was listening I saw high in the sky a flock of gulls, caught in the winter sun. They were so high and the light was so bright that they looked just like fish in an aquarium, as if heaven and earth were reversed. Unconnected, but kind of nice. I dreamed about the Band last night. Also unconnected, but kind of nice.
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Posted by:Bill M
Speaking of Leonard Cohen, it's hard not to think of "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye" when listening to "Any Way To Say Goodbye".Steve: "Wild Horses" was first recorded by the Flying Burrito Brothers - in 1970, I believe. My guess is that the Glimmers had already written it by then. In any event, I think Fred Eaglesmith trumps the key line, "Wild horses couldn't drag me away (from you)" with his "49 tons of diesel locomotive couldn't drag me back to you" (as sung by BARK on "Kings of Love").
To switch animals, I have a snake story, one that coincidentally came to mind when a Greek viper figured in a Hercule Poirot TV show I watched over the weekend. Taking a short cut between villages on Samos some years ago I came out of the brush and onto a dirt track. Right in front of me was a three foot snake with one end of a caterpillar in its mouth. Mostly underneath the caterpillar, and clearly in prior possession of it, was a large ant intent on tugging away its still-alive prey. I looked down at the snake, and the snake looked up at me with one eye - likely thinking, "Christ, another Canadian busybody ..."
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Posted by:Jean
Web: My link
Maybe the horse theme of '71 resulted from the death of Mr. Ed in 1970...?
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: EquusSteve: There's also Leonard Cohen's fine "Ballad of the Absent Mare" from the 1979 album "Recent Songs". It was later recorded by both Jennifer Warnes and Emmylou Harris under the title "Ballad of the Runaway Horse".
The Stones also sang about a "Beast of Burden", although it's not clear who was the ass. But you just can't beat the imagery in Muddy Waters' "Long Distance Call" about "another mule kickin' in your stall". And who can forgive Sidney Lumet for beating a dead horse.
Thanks Jan and Tim Wood for posting the clip & info on "Anyway To Say Goodbye"!
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: New Richard Manuel discovery
Now that is a find!I haven't listened to it all yet as I am in the office today, but from what I heard the sound quality is very good and it is exciting to hear an undiscovered Richard Manuel composition and performance from this 'lost era'.
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Posted by:Steve
Hey, A&A, get in that long line that snakes out behind The Moon Struck One.Who took the image of Wild Horses from the other, J2Rs from Keith and Mick or were the Stones the horse thieves here. Both seem to hit on the image of wild horses trying to pull them apart from their sweethearts at the same time in 71.
What was in the water in 71? A Horse with No Name; Also written by Dewey Bunnell in 71,in The Year Of The Horse.
Bill, The Madman Across The Water, also a 71 release, was a reference to Nixon I would assume, making him the musical choice for the VP who went mad, wouldn't you think. Nobody ever called HHH mad that I can remember.
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My link
Could you pass me those Newports over there please.
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: Adam
I agree, I also have always loved Just Another Whistle Stop (I used it in a film of mine called Day on Wheels, ironically I used it before I knew what a whistle stop or locomotive was, huh I just realized that.) Yeah I love it.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: A new Richard Manuel song
Be sure to check Jan's What's New. A very special treat awaits.
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Posted by:Adam
Subject: Just Another Whistle Stop
This song is getting better and better every time I listen to it. So underrated. I interpret it is being about the touring lifestyle. Any comments? Listening to Richard sing "there's one way home that's guaranteed" is something, when you think about how he went.
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Posted by:brown eyed girl
Web: My link
Robbie and Rick watching Bob using video camera during '66 tour from Barry Feinstein's _Real Moments: Photographs of Bob Dylan 1966-1974_ (Hardcover) Published October 2008. Other photos included as well but mostly of Bob.
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Posted by:Mike
Subject: Chris Bergson Band performance last night.
We caught a great performance by Chris Bergson & his band that included Ollabelle's & Levon's fill-in Tony Leone last night @ a cool venue in N. Bennington, VT, the VT Arts Exchange. Great aura created in this old mill bldg & Chris & the gang put on an awesome 2-set show. His latest cd was recorded in Levon's studio in '07. Unfortunately, Jay Collins couldn't make it, but the foursome that did perform last night more than held the fort.
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Posted by:Mike Sinlindan
Subject: Nice book
Nice book, enjoyed the comments
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Posted by:Mike
Web: My linkSubject: Levon's set list from last night.
Ophelia
Same Thing
When This Battle Is Over
Jealous Man
Simple Twist of Fate
I Wanna Know
Long Black Veil
I Got Me A Woman
White Dove
Ashes of Love
Did You Love Me
Deep Elum
Great Train Robbery
Goin' Down The Road
Anna Lee
Rag Mama Rag
Mardi Gras Day
Ain't Misbehavin'
Rain Down Tears
Rainin' In My Heart
Time Out For The Blues
Across The Great Divide
Chest Fever
The Weight
Thanks to Helmland's Barbara O'Brien!
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Posted by:rosalind
...Thanks Todd..
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My linkSubject: This Book is One Great Read !
What? It's Got a Band Connection!
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Posted by:Steve
Location: Almost A Nordic Country
To fully understand what IIKKA was saying or to understand his motivation it's better to wait til his dog, who posts under the name, IIKKA's DOG, explains all. WOOF!
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: The Reason I Don't Like Women..
That's why.
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTBonk, I wasn't singling you out. Please try not to be so defensive (handy advice eh?!) In fact Ros was the only one I mentioned in my post; but there have been posts of that sort by others over the years directed at Carol. It seems unfair. For what it's worth, I did think before I posted.....but thanks for the advice.
Ari, thanks for pointing out the obvious. Of course Richard would have been singing. I was so focused on the organ (or lack of organ) that I completely forgot about the vocals! Thanks.
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Posted by:BONK
Location: BCSubject: Carol
Carol, I hear you!
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Posted by:Carol
Subject: Rosalind, etc.Rosalind, my dear
Okay, I have to say that I am perplexed. Defensive? I don't think so. And I don't know how what I wrote can be interpreted as that. I have nothing to defend and nothing to prove. What I was doing was merely explaining to a poster what I thought, frankly, was self-explanatory. And honestly, I couldn't tell if he was being facetious, sarcastic, or just nasty to Jan, so I thought I would give him the benefit of the doubt and just explain and answer his questions. Someone also posted on the Facebook page that it seemed "odd" that posts were coming from Rick, but that's the way it is set up.
I really don't think I have ever said or hinted that anyone here was trying to "destroy" me or destroy Rick's memory. I am not that fragile or needy or self-centered--or paranoid. If I were, I would hope that someone in my family would see to it that I got psychological help as soon as possible.
Idealist that I am, I would really, really like it if everyone here could just get along. That is not always possible. Sometimes we disagree, and sometimes it gets heated. But there are a lot of good, talented, interesting people here, and it would be so nice to stop the sniping.
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: We Can Talk; Time to Kill
Can you guys send a link or post or give information to those session. I'd love it so much.
You can hear Richard in the alternate take of Time To Kill very easily. Also, somebody asked if he just sat quietly at the organ during the song during concerts. Well, no, he was singing.
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Posted by:BONK
Location: BCSubject: Todd
Todd. Which one of us is trying to tell Carol what to post and what not? Not me! Think of your words before you post!
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTSo now we're telling Carol when and what she should post about and the tone she should take?? It seems to me she should have the same freedom to post that the rest of us do. There was a post that was essentially making fun of the Rick Facebook site that she set up. Her response was courteous, even handed, and comprehensive. She could have simply told the poster to piss-off, but she has more class than that.
Ros, I think that you're one of the most naturally gifted writers that I've read. Even though you sometimes make people cringe and occasionally blush, your way with words has a natural musicality to it and I mean that as a compliment. Although I sometimes disagree with you, I've never tried to judge you. I think that Carol (and everyone for that matter) should be afforded the same respect.
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Posted by:BONK
Location: BCSubject: Carol
Carol. I gotta tell you sweetness. The first thing I do when I come on this site is to check if you've added anything in the way of Rick or the Band through Ist hand interviews with people that knew them. Including yourself. I can tell you do your homework and it's absolutely refreshing to read your first hand memories and not some of the rehashed shit that appears over and over. But this time, and in a nice way, Roz is right. No ones trying to hurt or destroy your memories of Rick. And if there is, well screw them. I think the person that you responded to just doesn't get it. They made so many mistakes in their post concerning Rick's Facebook that it's not even worth the effort to reply. You do a good job of representing Rick, and I for one would have liked to be the fly on the wall when some of your discussions with him went down. Cheers and respect, Carl. PS. If Roz didn't like these cat's she wouldn't be here.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: Please, No Offense Intended But...
Carol, You really should try and become less defensive. Nobody here is out to destroy you, your website or Rick's memory.
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Posted by:Carol
Subject: FacebookIkka
Why are you angry? Rick's Facebook page is maintained by me; I assure you it is legit. The reason the posts come from "Rick Danko" is that Facebook pages are set up in the "voice" of the person the page is about--they are template-driven and can't be changed.
For instance, pages by/for Georges de La Tour, Botticelli, Edvard Munch, and many other artists who are deceased, read in the first person thus: "Pablo Picasso updated his profile..." as opposed to "Jane Doe updated Pablo Picasso's profile." In fact, if you look on Picasso's page, you will see that "he" recently updated his birthdate.
Now obviously, Picasso's ghost is not updating his profile--it is a page adminstrator doing the updating.
Ricks birthdate was not changed--it was merely put in a different spot on the page, so it is listed as an update.
I hope this answers all your questions. If you were merely being facetious, please disregard this explanation.
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Posted by:Steve
IILKA, BUMBLES was there, you saw him but didn't recognize him. He was in a wheelchair.Bold prediction by Steve; Vinyl discs will still be made after the CD has gone out of production. I may be a little late getting out on the limb on this one but I'm a conservative predictor.
OK I see The Snake Song discussion needs a little more of a push so here goes a personal SS anecdote. I invite everyone to join in with their own personal stories of how the SS has played a part in their life, to help get the ball rolling. There's got to be dozens of good stories out there.
Last summer I was pedaling my $30 second or 3rd hand mountain bike through the pasture ( SS connection)herding some cows to another pasture.
Cows make and religiously follow paths. There were about 30 cows in the group and everything was moving along smoothly. I was following the cows on the cow path on my bike listening to my Ipod.
So far so good. My Ipod is one of those little shuffle models. As were shuffling along at cow walking speed when the Ipod shuffles The SS into the rotation. I start reaching for the pod as soon as I recognize what's coming to skip to the next song.
This involved taking my eyes off the path for a couple of seconds which is when I hit the piece of fire wood on the path that must have fallen out of the wood trailer one day.
Luckily I was going at cow walking speed so when I came to an abrupt(instant) stop I just fell over sideways. Not injured but feeling like a major eedjit I got up, dusted myself off and got back in the saddle.
Luckily the cows hadn't noticed so I didn't lose face with the herd.
Somebody's got to be able to top that one.
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Posted by:Ilkka (not so angry :-)
Location: Nordic CountriesSubject: Barack Obama outdoor concert in Wahingtons
... Didn't see anyone of gb regulars around, at least not on TV. Is (was!) The Band a white middle-aged male nazi group???
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Posted by:Ilkka (angry)
Location: Nordic ountriesSubject: To Mr. Hoiberg: is RICK DANKO a ghost!!!
You have linked to a FACEBOOK site in What's New. I have visited the site. "Rick Danko" is welcoming us internet visitors to "his" site. Furthermore, I can see that "he" has changed his date of birth. There is an invitation to disguss with "him". - Once upon a time, for a long time ago, you said in your site that you won't link to other sites because you don't have a chance to controll the links. Wise words, no one can do this.
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Posted by:Ilkka
Location: Nordic CountriesSubject: "Sleeping" (not the song but webmaster)
I can't see any web server statistics after April 2008! Not to mention about web server statistics of Mac users (yes, there is at least ONE :-) and Linux users.
~Ilkka~ Using Linux just like Barack Obama's campaign and Department of Internet Criminality at Swedish National Police and - last but not least - the state of Venezuela.
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Posted by:Tim
Location: BostonWeb: My link
Subject: Terry Danko
From Ricks Facebook page, there is posted on youtube some of the Richard manuel/terry danko Pencils songs... I think....
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Posted by:Mike
Web: My linkSubject: "Taking Woodstock" film.
Anyone have any insight on Oscar-winning director Ang Lee's new flick starring Demetri Martin set to be released near the 40th anniversary of the '69 Woodstock Festival? Martin plays the Catskills motel owners' son who helps set in motion the final location of the Festival.
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Posted by:Steve
This is a snake song joint, do the snake song!
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Posted by:Adam
Subject: Working in the Canastas
I just ripped the audio of this Richard demo from the AMH DVD. Does anyone know what the title refers to? A search for "canasta" showed that it is a card game.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: "Things grandchildren should know."By Mark Oliver Everett(EELs)
"Around this time I saw The Band's Last Waltz movie and began to idolize their singing drummer, Levon Helm. I was still in the basement drumming every day but I wanted to sing and be more of a front man. I was stuck behind the drums and there weren't any good role models for drummers, but he was great. I began going to his solo shows whenever he came to town and would follow him around and ask stupid questions(for the record, he was always very patient and extremely nice, no matter how much of a pest I was)."
What kind of material was Levon playing at these shows? And isn't it funny how mere mention of any or all of The Band members can brighten a day?
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CT
Thanks for that link Frank.
So what are your thoughts on the stereo balance of 'The Weight'? Have you compared the 2000 remaster to the original LP version?
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My linkSubject: I Stumbled Upon This - It's A Neat Site
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Posted by:Frank
Location: USWeb: My link
Subject: Refinance mobile home
It's funny, but the other day I was listening to the 2000 remaster of MFBP, and I thought the balance of the stereo separation on 'The Weight' was a little odd and I hadn't noticed that before. And that's a song that I've heard numerous times in all types of situations. At the time I figured it was just a byproduct of the crappy computer speakers that I was listening to it on, but now I think I need to check to out on real speakers and maybe compare it to the LP.
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CT
I think that the pool-house just fit in better with the way they liked to record. The old Basement/Clubhouse feel & approach.
That’s probably the one of the biggest differences between Brown and Stage Fright. A lot of that communal element was gone. Things had changed.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the “free” recording time at Capitol was eventually billed back against album sales. Someone’s gotta pay the overhead. I doubt Capitol was providing free recording time out of the goodness of their hearts. Someone must have been keeping track of the time. Not having to pay the studio bill up front might have been appealing while they were starting out, but ultimately the feel of the recording situation must have taken precedence over the billing arrangement.
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Posted by:Fffffriend0
"Which begs another question: if they recorded for free at Capitol in LA, why the need for SDJr's? " Maybe to give people something to wonder about 40 years later. Whilst some say The Band was mismanaged, other might say they knew just what they were doing all along and wanted to give fans something to scratch their heads about 40 yeasr later.
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Posted by:Pat B
Adam, after you know which songs were recorded where, the differences are more apparent. The jazzy LS reminds me of the Hawks. They might have recorded that one first, then said to themselves it didn't really fit.
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Posted by:Adam
I've got the We Can Talk outtakes as well. It just seems weird that the jazzy Lonesome Suzie would be recorded in NY, and then the album version recorded later in LA. It makes more sense, at least to me, that the jazz version was recorded as an afterthought, an experiment to see where the song could go in a different arrangement, rather than being the first recording of the song. Although in the reissue notes it says Richard really liked the jazz version, so I don't know. It makes more sense that it was recorded after the album version.
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Posted by:Pat B
Adam, I have a tape somewhere of them running through We Can Talk innumerable times with subtle and not so subtle changes in the performance. It wouldn't seem they were restricted in the recording process by money at the time--perhaps it hadn't occurred to them yet--but the financial pressure of being in a pro studio and needing to perform well with the clock running certainly prompted them to DIY. Which begs another question: if they recorded for free at Capitol in LA, why the need for SDJr's?
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Posted by:Adam
also, songs like In A Station and Caledonia Mission have more instruments in the mix, the result of more tracks available.
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Posted by:Adam
as for the differences between the NY and LA recordings, once you read which songs were recorded where, you can sort of tell I think. The difference I hear is in the bass... the songs recorded in NY have a bit of a different bass sound to the LA recordings, whose bass sound is more clean and punchy.
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Posted by:Adam
I think the credits that list the alternate, jazzy Loneosome Suzie are incorrect. I remember reading in the BP reissue's liner notes that when they went to LA for sessions, they didn't have to pay for studio time, whereas in NY they did. Wouldn't it make sense to record an experiment like the jazz Lonesome Suzie in a situation where they wouldn't have to pay for studio time, ie in LA?
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Posted by:Pat B
Those are good catches, but if you were to listen to BP, would anyone be able to tell which songs were cut in NYC and which were cut in LA? I know I can't. I think that's because they developed a recording style in NY that they no doubt duplicated in LA, which was sitting in a circle with no headphones and capturing a performance, then adding a minimum of overdubs. I'd imagine that they cut to stereo on two tracks then added whatever on the remaining two tracks, perhaps vocals, perhaps the Band horn section.It would appear that Lonesome Suzie is a question mark. The AMH version is from NY. If the final was recorded in NY, that would make six songs from BP in NY, four in LA.
The same sort of thing happened with the Brown album--most of it recorded at SDJr's while three songs were recorded in NY. Again, if I were to listen to the whole album at once I'd be pretty hard pressed to say which song was recorded where. I think again it was the recording process they had developed that created the sound.
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTThanks for that link Adam. I had thought that there was some discussion with Shelly Yakus about it. His comments are pretty interesting. He goes into a little more detail about how that created some difficulty during mixing and getting the eight track to come together the same way as the four track.
It's funny, but the other day I was listening to the 2000 remaster of MFBP, and I thought the balance of the stereo separation on 'The Weight' was a little odd and I hadn't noticed that before. And that's a song that I've heard numerous times in all types of situations. At the time I figured it was just a byproduct of the crappy computer speakers that I was listening to it on, but now I think I need to check to out on real speakers and maybe compare it to the LP.
Then, and only then will I be able to delve into the mysteries of the snake song. Gotta stay focused.
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTSubject: MFBP Recording
I got lucky. This was easier to find than the car keys. The first place I checked was the CD booklet notes from the 2000 remaster of Music From Big Pink. From Page 7:
“In any event, everyone was elated with the results and, with five songs already in the can, the executives at Capitol agreed to fly Simon and the group out to Los Angeles to use the company’s more modern eight-track studio to complete the album.”
Of course this still doesn't answer the question of why a 4 track is visible in one of the Brown album pool-house photos, but it's pretty clear that part way through MFBP they started using 8 Track. Whatever the case I think that the differences in sound on Stage Fright as compared to previous work had as much to do with personnel...most notably the addition of Rundgren & Glynn Johns...as it had to do with technology.
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Posted by:Adam
and Big Pink had 8 track recordings from LA. "That was recorded between A&R, four track, and a studio in LA, where they did it eight track." http://www.hugeuniverse.com/recording/bruce_borgeson/shelly/shelly3.shtml
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Posted by:Adam
Pat B - On the Academy of Outtakes bootleg, you can hear Richard playing organ on Time To Kill. I believe the same cut is on the reissued Rock of Ages. It is quietly played, and isn't throughout the whole song. You can hear him on the intro (once the drums come in), and during the guitar solo. I have also heard live versions where there doesn't seem to be any audible organ. This is a bit strange. But there is definitely organ on Time To Kill from the ROA shows.
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Posted by:Todd
Pat, I see now that you already mentioned that they recorded at Capitol in LA. But it's still possible that Gold Star and Capitol had different gear at that point. Off to see if I can dig up that reference.
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTThe Gold Star material does sound like it was cut straight to tape, but all of the LA BP tracks that are on the original release were recorded at LA’s Capitol Studios according to AMH.
I can’t recall exactly where I first read about 8 Track in LA in regards to BP, but it may have been an interview with Shelly Yakus who I believe was the engineer on the NYC BP recordings. If it comes to me or I can track it down (no pun intended) I’ll report back.
I think that I can hear traces of clavinet on ‘Time To Kill’, but if I didn’t know it ahead of time, I don’t know if I would have been able to pick that out. I haven’t heard organ on it. That raises the question though of what exactly did Richard do on stage during the song? Just sit quietly at the organ?
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Posted by:Pat B
Adam, although Richard sat at the organ on the live TTK, I don't think he played it. I have any number of live versions of the song and there is no organ on any of them, unlike The Weight--which often followed it in concert--where Richard's organ playing is obvious through the whole song.On AMH, Richard is credited with organ on the Weight. He is credited with clavinette on TTK. Perhaps that's what you hear.
According to AMH, they recorded six songs from BP in NY, four in LA at Capitol. I've never seen a source that said they used an 8 track machine in LA. In fact, the Gold Star material sounds like it's straight to 2 track.
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Posted by:David P.
Bill M: I think it can be attributed to something other than Mr. Simon's memory. Upon its release, John Simon was not credited as producer for "Stage Fright".
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My link
See if this works for you... Let your mind go
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Posted by:Adam
Pat B - I'm confident that I am not hearing harmonics from the guitar reverb on Time To Kill. Richard played organ on the song live, and while that doesn't mean he plays anything on the studio recording, it's likely that he played organ on it. The organ is very very subtle, heard on the intro behind Robbie's guitar and a bit at the closing of the track. It seems like maybe a similar situation to The Weight: Richard played organ on the studio version as he did live, but it was taken out and is barely audible. I'd be willing to bet Richard is on organ for Time To Kill, but is nearly inaudible in the mix. and i believe it is correct that Big Pink is half 4 track recordings from New York, and half 8 track from LA.
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Posted by:Steve
Bill, does it give the year in the song? I had Humphrey in my post and thought that, Nixon, in Dylan's eyes, might have shown more signs of having gone crazy than Hubert Horatio Humphrey. of course another intersecting line between Nixon( I'm sticking with the crazy guy)in the Saga and Little John Tyler in Moon Struck One, is that both of them were VPs who rose to Commander And Chief. Oh yes, I tell you all the pieces are falling into place for some Snake Song Talk should the Big Whigs ( Little John Tyler connection)in the GB get behind this thing.
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Posted by:Pat B
Kevin, check out the RIAA site. Joni outsold/outsells the Band by a wide margin.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Joni
I'd guess Joni would do about the same as Jackson Browne … fill ten 3000 to 5000 seat British venues. Not quickly, 5 to 10% unsold probably, but viable and profitable. The 90s Band wouldn't have got near that. Sorry!
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Len v The Band
It's not a contest, but even in the wildest dreams of the most dedicated Band fans, they would not have sold out a European Tour, of 5000 to 20,000 seat venues in 15 minutes on TicketMaster. Leonard Cohen did. Then repeated the process three months later. I look at my nearest 200 standing club venue, The Brook in Southampton. Coming up, Nick Lowe, Roger Chapman. Last year, Eric Burden, Jefferson Starship. I'm afraid that's about where they were just before they disbanded. I'd say poor promotion, bad management, low sights all play a part in that.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Joni vs The Band
I remember being at an event some years back in Europe and the person leading the group ( 25 or so people – split male/female ) of all 30 something musicians asked for a show of hands on who listened to what……….all hands raised for Bob Dylan as to be expected…….most hands raised for Neil Young – again expected……..all hands raised for Joni Mitchell – somewhat surprising to me at the time. The Band was not asked about but in discussing it with others there it seemed very few had any tapes or CD’s of The Band as part of their collections. Sure…they all knew about them but did not own any of their product. I wonder how Joni’s sales would stack up against The Band’s during that 1967 to 1978 period. I didn’t buy Peter’s contention of some months back that Leonard Cohen was so much bigger than The Band but I wonder worldwide if Joni Mitchell would be considered a much bigger act than The Band.
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Posted by:Bill M
Duke of Dial-up: The epic event of "Clothesline Saga" took place on January 30 (note upcoming anniversary). 1967 presumably, when the US VP was Hubert Humphrey - Bob's fellow Minnesotan, I believe. If you're looking for a snake, I think you're barking up the wrong apple suckling tree.
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTSubject: MFBP Recording
Yes Pat, but I was under the impression that recording for Big Pink started in New York City on 4 track, and then when everyone realized how good things were sounding, they made the decision to finish recording BP in LA on the more modern 8 track equipment. I don’t know if the split of songs was half NYC and half LA, but I believe that a fair amount of BP was recorded in LA on 8 Track. Which is why I said: “Since 8 Track was being used in LA, even at the time of Music From Big Pink”.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that was the way that it happened.
Anyway, my point was that 8 Track technology was available in LA even at the time of Big Pink, so it must also have been available at the time of Brown. Now, why they would have a machine that looks like a 4 Track in a photo at the Pool House is anyone’s guess. I suppose that just because it was there doesn’t mean that they used it.
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Posted by:Steve
Bill, I finally heard THE SOUND but just barely. It's hard to identify. People like Pat and others who seem capable of hearing the difference between guitar harmonics in the reverb vs an organ should jump in and put us out of our misery.Further to your TMSO and Clothesline Saga comparison, I think I see where you're headed . Little John Tyler served as Vice Prez and of course in the Saga, The Vice President, Dishonest Dick Nixon(?) went crazy. I know it wasn't your point but I'm scraping for some interaction on the song, I'll take anything even if I have to image it
No other bites on The Snake Song challenge?
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Posted by:Bill M
David P: Verrry interest (though some will disagree). I have to go with Simon's 1970 memories of what had taken place mere months before:
"What happened was we recorded the album at the Woodstock Playhouse. It was the same arrangement we had before - Capitol Records provided the equipment. The control room was down in the prop room and the recording room was on the stage." (Simon is introduced in the article as "the Band's producer", and there's certainly every reason to take the impression that he had been there every step of the way.)
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Posted by:David P.
Bill M: That John Simon quote sounds strange. In an interview with Lee Gabites in 1999 Mr. Simon said, "No, I didn't have anything to do with "Stage Fright" except that I lived a mile from where it was recorded, so I dropped in once in awhile and listened to the progress of things."
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Posted by:Bill M
Subject: addendum
I should've added that the rough mix sent to Johns and Rundgren could not possibly have included "Just Another Whistle Stop", which hadn't even been completely written, much less recorded, when the rest of the material was shipped off. There's a possibility that "The Shape I'm In" wasn't recorded in time to have part of the original package taken to London either.
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Posted by:Bill M
David P: Thanks. Maybe not raw, but the following quote from John Simon (from Rolling Stone, July 1970) mentions an early rough mix done by he and the Band:
"We decided to let Glynn Johns ... mix it with completely fresh ears. We sent him sort of a rough mix of what we thought the album should sound like. We sent him the tapes, and Todd, who is our engineer, went over to London with the tapes, and he's going to mix it there in a completely different studio. ... When it comes back from London, the two of them will have decided what's best."
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Posted by:David P.
Bill M: The "raw" tapes would be the unmixed multi-track session recordings which would be unsuitable for release. I seem to recall, from a Rundgren interview, that there were more than just two rounds of mixing.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Album 3
Whenever I think of Stage Freight I can’t help thinking of Levon chasing TR out of the studio with intent to kill. TR truly is a putz. This is a guy who made multi millions from his work on Bat out of Hell and yet cannot stop himself from poking fun – bordering on embarrassing MeatLoaf/Steinman every chance he gets.
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Posted by:Bill M
Re "Stage Fright", I will repeat my cry for the release of the (at least) three sets of tapes that must exist: 1) the raw ones that were copied and sent to Rundgren and Johns for mixing; 2) the Todd mix; and 3) the Johns mix. Mono and stereo versions of key albums have been release on a single CD (e.g., the first Buffalo Springfield and Traffic's "Mr Fantasy") so it's not all that far-fetched.
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Posted by:Brien Sz
Is it possible that the Band (speaking on Stage Fright), in looking for a different sound with TR, actually then didn't prefer the different sound, so they then went to go back towards their original sound without out it being to much like John Simon but similar to the Simon sound - you know, sort of like when RR explains that it's the beginning of the end of the beginning thing...,
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Posted by:Pat B
Todd, John Simon has said more than once that BP was recorded on a 4 track. I believe there's a reference to it in AMH.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: A Wizard, A Pop Star & A Runt
"Stage Fright" marked a departure of John Simon's involvement in recording The Band, as Todd Rundgren was brought in to handle the board. That Glynn Johns was also brought in to help mix the album seems to indicate that the group was striving for a different sound. The Hit Factory recording of "Daniel & The Sacred Harp" I mentioned earlier was an alternate version that showed up on the AMH box set.
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Posted by:Steve
Thank god I know the Corb Lund song, Truck Got Stuck, which is a rip off in a way of the, Sheep In A Jeep, bedtime story I told here a few years ago.Thank god? yes thank god so I don't have to leave my computer on the phone line for another hour like I just did to download the Joni song. Pretty and talented Joni, no doubt, but I was never into that kind of folk music.Glad I almost missed it completely.
Bill, I think you're dancing around the historical basis of The Snake Song. Of all the names possible, why John Tyler? I've got a Snake Song, farming accident story for later.
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTSubject: 8 Track vs. 4 Track
So was the Brown album recorded on an 8 Track that just happened to look like a 4 Track? Is the story wrong or is the photo wrong?
Since 8 Track was being used in LA, even at the time of Music From Big Pink, it's fairly reasonable that they would have also used 8 Track on Brown. On the classic albums DVD it's pretty clear that both Robbie and John Simon, in separate segments of the program, are isolating from more than four tracks when discussing the recording process.
It doesn't change Pat's basic point that they had more tracks to work with on 'Stage Fright', but it seems like it was only twice as many....16 vs. 8. Having only 4 tracks could have been quite a bit different.
I'm not sure if that affected the recording process for 'Stage Fright' in a significant way. After all, the original plan for 'Stage Fright was to record it live. Even though they ultimately weren't able to record it live in front of an audience, the act of recording it at the Woodstock playhouse rather than a studio would have lent itself to more of a live/off the floor recording vs. a track by track assembled recording. After the initial recording though, I'm sure there was room for some overdubbing utilizing some of the extra tracks.
I think the bigger impact and resulting sound of having more tracks available for 'Stage Fright' was on the mixing process, which seems to have been more malleable & complicated than the previous albums.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Joni
Joe J: Thanks. Stunning.....so beautiful and talented.
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Posted by:Bill M
Web: My link
Steve: If you insist on wrestling this snake thing to the ground, I will repeat my contention that TMSO was intended to be a spoof - like "Clothesline Saga" was, like "Long Black Veil" was viewed by our guys as, and perhaps even what they took "Ode To Billy Joe" itself to be. The illogical title and the snake/lake rhyme might be taken as clues of the writer's intent.) For some reason the "the boy died then the car died" narrative reminds me of Ian Tyson protege Corb Lund's best-known song (see link).
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Posted by:Pat B
David P, the reason I said "what looks like a four track" is that one of the pictures from the SDJr poolhouse has what seems to be a four track in the background. I know that the story is that they used an 8 track. btw, the equipment used for SF eventually ended up in Bearssville Studios.
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Posted by:Steve
I'm always note listening Bill, it comes with the territory.I'm going to give this boomp thing another try.
Nobody has taken the snake by the tail and given the song a shake yet? Come on lads. There's lots there to work with.
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Posted by:Hafallo
Web: My link
cool site!!!
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Posted by:Bill M
Steve: In case you're note listening to the same version of "The River Hymn" as me (the remstered CD), then listen for "the voice of the rapids will echo", then there's a drumbeat, then there's the boomp. Not a sonic last or anything loud - just distinct.
Joe J: Wow - thanks for the link. Joni sure learned early how to play to a camera, didn't she. And to see a young Harry and all thos other Chapins, as well as Van Ronk. Maybe a Winnipegger can ID the backup musicians?
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Posted by:David P.
Adam: Forgot to add that, according to Robbie, there were some problems with recording in the new Bearsville studios, as they were still trying to get things set up properly.
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Posted by:David P.
Pat: According to a MIX magazine article on the Brown Album, an 8-track recorder with a small custom mixing console, borrowed from Capitol, were used for the sessions in the poolhouse. They were also equipped with compressors, limiters and an EMT plate for reverb. Up On Cripple Creek, Whispering Pines, Jemima Surrender and Daniel & The Sacred Harp were recorded at Jerry Ragovoy's The Hit Factory in New York. I'm not sure, but I believe that then up & coming professional studio probably had at least 8 or 16 track recorders at the time.Adam: "Cahoots" and "Moondog Matinee" were recorded in the Woodstock area at Albert Grossman's newly-built Bearsville studios.
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: What'll Go Down On The Plains Of Abraham ?The Battle Field Commission of Quebec City, the people who are charged with running the National Park that the Plains are part of are holding a 250th anniversary re-enactment of the famous battle in the heart of French Canada.
It's sort of like the State Of Virginia holding a re-enactment of the fall of Richmond.
All of a sudden Quebec politicians know exactly where they have to be on the date of the re-enactment, and it's not anywhere near the Plains. They all have appointments that can't be broken. It's all pretty funny.
Maybe J2Rs should be invited to give his take on the history surrounding the battle. Maybe he could write a song.
How about THE SNAKE SONG getting the same close reading as TTK. We could at least throw out all kinds of thoughts J2Rs must have had while writing it.
With J2Rs fascination with the American south it can't be a coincidence that John Tyler is the cohort's name.
Little John's second wife's name was Julia, but he called her Julie. Coincidence? I think not.
Then there's that whole tippecanoe action down by the lake. That reference to Durango probably was thrown in as a nod to the annexation of Texas. Now we just have to find a way of working the snake in. There is a snake on that Secessionist banner, the rattlesnake and "Don't Tread On Me" but that's a pretty tenuous connection, not solid like, tippecanoe and Tyler too, down by the lake.
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My link
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Posted by:Zzzz
Web: My link
Here you be, Lars...
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Posted by:Lars
Subject: You had to be there.........
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Posted by:Lars
Web: My linkSubject: Dylan (w/ Rick on harmony)
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Posted by:Zzzz
Web: My link
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Posted by:rozzzz
Web: My link
I went looking for Buddy Miller's version but there's evidently no video available.
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Posted by:Zzzz
Web: My link
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Posted by:rozzzzz
Web: My link
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Posted by:Zzzz
Web: My link
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Posted by:rosalind
Candy ass
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Posted by:joe j
Web: My linkSubject: young and beautiful
God, was she ever.
This may be an Oscar Brand show. There seem to be a number of videos of young Joan from this show. All worth checking out.
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Posted by:Zzzz
Web: My link
Uh Oooh, Westie... she looks a bit old, starchy herself... and her gaze looks like it's about to narrow... Better call Lars for backup... Hey, I think I hear his motorcycle...
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Posted by:Mike
Location: NHWeb: My link
Subject: Tom Rush.
Just found out folkie Tom Rush has a home near us in NH. Tom opened up for The Band & is in a few clips of Festival Express. Tom is traveling / touring across country thru the summer. He's in VT next wkd.
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Posted by:Zzzz
Web: My linkSubject: Whoosh
Should have taken offense?... Who's thinking too much now?... Just reload b!t@h!... (I say as I kick over the koolaid stand, splash juice all over your homemade apple pies and then dive behind the bar as Westie tosses me his sawed off while the player piano plays Time To Kill, Shakey's Pizza Parlour-style)... "Obama!" (sound of first shot)... "Take that!", as I reach for no. 2... "Aim for the chick projecting about idealism, Westie."...
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Posted by:Pat B
Adam, I don't hear the organ there. You might be hearing some of the guitar harmonics in the reverb. Stage Fright was recorded on a 16 track tape machine. The Brown album was recorded on what looks like a 4 track. That alone accounts for the radically different sound between the two albums. Musically it allowed them to overdub and retrack to their hearts' collective content, emphasizing individual performance over group performance. Exactly how much of that new technology they took advantage of is hard to say, since TTK has an uncharacteristicly large number of drum clams.
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Posted by:Adam
Ari and Pat B - I'd say the drums are Levon. The cymbal and cowbell work likely point to him. There are two guitar tracks... the left rhythm and the center lead. Both are played by Robbie. The lead parts and solo are almost certainly overdubs. Plus, listen to the rhythm guitar during the solo. It's playing things that are classic Robbie. Richard is playing organ, very low in the mix (nearly inaudible). You can hear it buried in the left channel during the intro, underneath Robbie's rhythm guitar intro.
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: Inaugural music
From the NY Times.
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Posted by:Pat B
That's Levon on drums on TTK. There are a number of guitar tracks on the song, but none are Levon. I don't think Richard played anything on it, although he's credited for clavinette as per AMH. I can't hear it.
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Posted by:Ari
I'll say one more thing and then go away. I am almost positive that Richard is on drums for Time To KIll because there are two guitars on this song. Levon is doing the other I'm sure.
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Posted by:Adam
Subject: ok, last post...
I forgot to mention another reason I favor side 1 over side 2 of Stage Fright. Most of the songs on side 2 (Shape I'm In, W.S. Walcott, Stage Fright) have live versions that almost make the studio versions obsolete. Not the album's fault though. However, The Rumor studio recording is unequaled in live performances.
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Posted by:Adam
I guess I forgot about Cahoots and Moondog Matinee when I said Stage Fright was the only album recorded in Woodstock/Bearsville. I meant the only one out of the classic first 3. Besides, I wouldn't mind forgetting about Cahoots anyways...
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Posted by:Adam
Subject: Stage Fright LPThe whole Stage Fright LP has that easygoing Catkills vibe to it. When I was thinking about the album today, it occurred to me that it was the only one actually recorded in Woodstock.
Peter V says side 2 is one of the best they recorded, but I think side 1 has it beat. Strawberry Wine, Sleeping, Time To Kill, Just Another Whistle Stop, and All La Glory. What a wonderful group of songs. Especially Sleeping and All La Glory, two of the best songs the group ever recorded. Whistle Stop is quickly becoming one of my favorites.
The recent youtube clip of Just Another Whistle Stop from Wembley '74 is great. It's fascinating to see them start out with an old blues shuffle ("Hard Times (The Slop)" and then segue seamlessly into Whistle Stop. Shows you some of the musical ingredients for that great Richard/Robbie song.
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Posted by:Ari
I don't know why my name is that.
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Posted by:Ari S. (whoops the one below me says Jean)
Subject: To Kingdom Come and Kevin J
I was studying for finals and, as I am easily distracted, went on a streak of analyzing Time To Kill, then most of Big Pink. Has anyone ever noted that To Kingdom Come is so obviously a reference to Bob Dylan's risking all he had by going to electric. At first I thought, as I broke it down, that it's a song about Jesus, but that made me feel weird because I don't think of Robbie as being such an obvious writer. He's much more cryptic. It is Bob Dylan cleverly disguised as Jesus. I won't go into it because nobody likes when people ramble, but it's really good stuff. Also wanna point out that Jemima Surrender is the most vulgar song I've ever heard. I can definitely see why it's a Helm-Robertson collaboration (I know Levon has many more quips and dirty Southern pick up lines up his sleeve.)
Kevin - Interesting, I hadn't thought of it as his decision to start a family.
Oscars
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Posted by:Adam
Subject: Time To Kill/Stage Fright LP
Nice comments about Time To Kill. I've been listening to the Stage Fright album a lot recently, and this songs stands out as an unfairly overlooked song. I always kind of agreed with Barney Hoskyns that this song was mediocre and "the least exciting sound they made" or whatever the quote was. But there is a lot to like about the song. It seems to be about the easygoing Woodstock lifestyle and Robbie's feelings of his marriage at the time, with a bit of negative undertones regarding the group's state at the time.
The recording is great. Live versions I've heard are nice, but for me don't equal the studio version. Wonderful drumming from Levon, Garth up to his old tricks on old-time pianney, great guitar with some nice lead overdubs. and of course the singing. I was initially surprised at the singing... rarely do you hear them use two voices right on top of each other like that. With other bands (Byrds, CSN) it would sound slick. but their unique voices put some grit into it. I love the way Richard's voice jumps into falsetto for the choruses. I always wondered if he played anything on the track... he played the organ on this song live. You can hear some very quiet organ in the studio recording, so I reckon that's Richard.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: Jonestown
ZZZzzz_______ I should actually have taken some kind of offense at what you said to me! Just who do I criticize? I disagree with the vast majority here but I don't consider that criticism. Excuse me for not falling into line at the national kool-aid stand. You used to be an okay guy but you must have gotten old, starchy and narrow or something.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Time to Kill
Time to Kill: Lovely song about the decision to start a family.........The big car and caviar did come though didn't they. Maybe they were needed in time.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Just for fun
For anyone who has Google Earth, search for 30065 Morning View Dr., Malibu CA. You get a great view of Shangri la today.
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Posted by:Bill M
Ari: You ol' softie! I reread the lyrics, and certainly see your point. But I can't help but see it a bit more cynically - as the guy in "Up On Cripple Creek" accepting reality and turning up at home to charm his Big Mama. (Although UOCC makes it seem like he's got two girls to choose from, it could just as easily be some trucker sitting in his cab fantasising about the good times 15 years ago, as if Bessie's still peppy, still remembers him and still gives a shit. The male mind works like that.) But at least his ruminations about Bessie have roused him to take Big Mama dancing! By the way, that sort of link between the two songs would at least help explain an otherwise puzzling decision to make TTK the A-side.
As for "Free Man In Paris", it's a brilliant lyric that speaks volumes about Joni Mitchell's priorities. Consider "I'd go back there tomorrow but for the work I've taken on, stoking the star-maker machinery behind popular song". Her choice, as a successful and relatively wealthy person, is that work is more important than love and more important than fun.
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: Shangri la today
A link to the current owner of Shangri la.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: ZZZZZzzzzzz________
I don't much consider this site to be a venting site or a problem solving site, I consider it to be a site where I come and simply have FUN! Hey folkies, Remember FUN? Lots of people don't know how to have FUN. Too busy trying to save face, impress others, control others and so on. People just don't get that about me. Using a keyboard relaxes me. I don't have to speak to people face to face (for I don't much like people) and I can come and go as I choose (unless the webmaster pitches me out---something I have been trying real hard to avoid) and I can sit here and watch folks react to each other. I like to do that and it's a lot more fun than watching squirrels.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Ron Skinner Shangri la
The address is 30065 Morningview Drive Malibu.
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Posted by:Mike
Web: My linkSubject: Mountain Jam V line-up announced.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Jackson Browne/AriJackson does not appear to do too well with women. His wife Phyllis (Ethan's Mom) killed herself. His relationship with Daryl Hannah ended when he assaulted her physically. She turned to JFK jr. They were an item for a while.
Ari, I really like your interpretation of Time To Kill. I like that song a lot,but like many others, I thought it was just about kicking back after years of running. Your take puts it in another light.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: SAY WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You simply have to doodle all day to come up with the hundreds of diffrent tunings Joni has created. To hell with the civilians........eat your fu*king salad while I doodle. No wonder Robbie had to play TNTDODD so quietly.....He was afraid to be talked to "sharply" by his wife. Mozart was single - wasn't he?
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Posted by:Steve
Kevin, De-train, is a hold over from the Bush Years, I'm sure it will be dealt with at an appropriate time, there are so many more pressing Bush disasters that have to be dealt with before the Bush mumblings make it to the surface.
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Posted by:Kevin J
“All good dreamers pass this way some day hidin behind bottles in dark cafes” – Jon Mitchell “ The Last Time I Saw Richard” Joni’s “Blue” consistently makes all the “greatest albums of all-time” lists ( Rolling Stone, Q, Time, VHI, etc ) and is also usually listed as the top 1,2 or 3 best Canadian albums of all time. Speaking of songs for or about people, I sometimes wonder if Richard Manuel figures in any way into the classic Joni song ‘The last Time I Saw Richard” Who cares really but I do tend to think of him whenever I hear the great song………………..I also rank Blue as a top 10 work of all time in the rock/pop world of music.
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Posted by:Peter V
One of the anecdotes in the Geffen bio about the Geffen / Mitchell / Robertsons Paris holiday concerns Joni's habit of constantly fiddling with her guitar all day, while other people were talking, eating etc. According to the Geffen bio, Mrs Robertson had to ask her sharply to keep quiet at one point. Anyone who's sat in a room with a similarly afflicted guitar player will sympathize. Constant doodling is irritating.
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Posted by:Ignatius
Location: Pac NW USSubject: Romantic Robbie
Ari, I love Time to Kill, but for the up and down, light and dark of romance, you cannot beat Out of the Blue.
That is off the top of my (balding) head. There may be others, but I love that song especially. Only wish Richard had made the session to record it as originally planned. Though Robbie's vocal "effort" lends a certain poignancy to the effect.
Ignatius
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: David PThanks David. I mentioned that "Free man in Paris" was indeed written for David Geffen(from Joni's own mouth in an interview) about a month ago. I liked the line about
Dealing in "dreamers, and telephone screamers."
I think I read in that Laurel Canyon book that Joni lived with Geffen well her house in California(her other house of course being in Sechelt)was being finished...?
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Sam Sheppard, itunesSam Sheppard also co-wrote "Brownsville Girl" with Bob Dylan.
Speaking of writing credits, Don Felder is doing a show in Toronto soon and the local radio ads are promoting it as "Don Felder - The man who wrote 'Hotel California'" True enough, he did write the music for that tune. The popularity of THe Eagles never ceases to amaze me - but I am curious to see how many people Felder can pull on his own.......
The MTB organization is $19.00 wealthier thanks to the discussion of yesterday....just paid itunes a visit and downloaded some music.
Has anyone ever had a fresh premium cracker?? The anouncement on the train a few days ago was to be careful as we "de-trained". 40 minutes late, stale crackers and being asked to de-train. Can Obama fix any of this?
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: From Paris, France to Paris, Texaskristie: Band connection with David Geffen & Joni Mitchell is that they briefly sojourned in Paris, France with Robbie & Dominique Robertson in the '70s. It's said that Ms. Mitchell's "Free Man In Paris" is about Mr. Geffen.
Levon appeared with Sam Shepard in "The Right Stuff". The Wim Wenders film "Paris, Texas", starring Harry Dean Stanton, Dean Stockwell & Nastassja Kinski, was based on a story by Sam Shepard. It also featured a great soundtrack by Ry Cooder.
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Posted by:Steve
Hey, lay off Strangelove, he was never as evil as Cheney.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Catskill, June and July
Ari, I was trying to write something about the Cameo-Parkway record label yesterday. I was pleased with the result, then I found an old Record Collector review that was way better than mine and thought,’Damn! That guy knows everything!” The consolation of youth is that though some old guys might once have known everything, you can be sure they’ve already forgotten at least half of it.
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My link
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Posted by:Ari
Subject: Tanks Guys
I also wanted to bring up that there was a discussion a few weeks ago on Robbie's most romantic love song. Well, I was looking over the lyrics to Time To Kill, and this time I think I finally understood it. It seems to be directly written about Robbie and his love for Dominique directly after moving to Woodstock together in 67.
It's actually pretty explicit in the lyrics, I guess I just never bothered to take a good look at the lyrics cause I had just assumed the song was about having free time, and in many ways I thought it was critical of having too much time on their hands.
It is about that to some respect, the line
"Don't know what we got. But it feels like a lot, We don’t need no more." struck me as a plead or a way of Robbie saying "Please, no more, we've had enough - now what are we supposed to do?" But when you look at the song as a whole, it's so clearly about his love for his better half.
This song always mislead me with it's title, before I become a Band connoisseur, I always looked at the title of the song as a very vengeful and violent song. But I was reading the title incorrectly, with a strange emphasis on the phrase "Time To Kill". I thought, "It's time to murder somebody." Then one day when I realized how stupid that was (and out of character for the Band) I came to my senses.
Anyways, it's a really sweet song and I'm glad he wrote it to his wife, because I'd always wondered, even though Robbie is kind of hush-hush about his personal life (even now), can't he show us some affection towards his wife. So anyways, made me smarter about The Band. You guys probably already knew this. I feel like Peter knows everything.
Oscar Nominees tomorrow. I don't when Cannes is, but that's the best. I like France.
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Posted by:kristie
And when I write dating I mean "dating."
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: Rozwasn't David Geffen gay and dating Cher? Geffen and Joni were good friends. And I think she lived with him for awhile too didn't she?
In everything I have read about Joni I have never read that story before. It seems unlikely, but you never know.
Isn't "the river" about Jackson Browne? Or is it James Taylor?
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Subject: Sam Shepard
Sam Shepard and Jessica Lange lived here in Old Virginny, near Charlottesville, for ten years or so. I was once in an independent bookstore called Book Gallery around 1989 when I spotted Mr. Shepard at the bar in the bookstore's cafe (around 9:30 AM). He was reading the Modern Library hardcover edition of "Moby Dick" when the radiant Jessica Lange walked in and talked to him for a minute before heading back into the bookstore. No makeup and she was one of the most striking women I've seen in my life. Makeup is for phonies. She's the real deal. So is Sam. Band connection? Sam Shepard hung out with Dylan and wrote a fine book about it, "The Rolling Thunder Log Book."
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Posted by:Zzzz
Roz, your choc bunny post perfectly describes BushCo and the last 8 yrs... The thing I liked best about Obama's speech... was that he acknowledged that the US people had gotten stupid for a while... and it's time to get smart again... I also don't mind you or anyone else preaching on idealism... but I can't help wonder what kind of problems you folks are actually capable of solving on a personal level... especially when all you do is criticize... Then again, this is not really a problem solving forum... more of a venting one...
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Posted by:rosalind
Ari - There's some book out written about Joni and Carol King. Apparently Joni tried to knock herself off one night after Jackson Browne slugged her and took off with another woman. After swallowing and unswallowing several pills and slamming herself againt walls till bloodied and battered, she ran outside on the Boulevard without shoes right into the arms of flushed David Geffen who was just "finishing up" in a dark parking lot away the glare of the Sunoco sign. It was love at first sight ! The rest is history. A love story to rivel Romeo and Juliet
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Posted by:Kristie
Subject: Sam Shepard
Sam Shepard is so talented. Aside from being a great actor and writer, he is also a drummer and Banjo player. He drummed(albeit briefly) with the Holy Modal Rounders, and he played banjo on Patti Smith's cover of Nirvana's "Smells like teen spirit."
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Posted by:Ron Skinner
Location: TorontoSubject: Shangri La
I'm hoping to visit Shangri La while on a trip to Los Angeles.
Does anyone know the address or have directions?
Feel free to email me at headingnorth@sympatico.ca
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Posted by:Ari
Subject: HEY
You guys probably knew this but I just realized Sam Shepard is the coyote in Joni Mitchell's Coyote.
I had heard that he was, but I wasn't really convinced. Then I researched a little, and found that Sam was with Joni on the Rolling Revenue Tour. I wasn't convinced yet though. Then I realized that she does say "and the Hawk was playing with him." Then I was convinced that Sam Shepard was Coyote.
That's the best Sam Shepard is the good.
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Posted by:rosalind
Like biting into one of those hollow chocolate bunnies ain't it? Idealism is fragile when it's made of nothing but words. At a distance it can look real rich, solid, substantial, but when you press it, even a tiny bit,it falls in on itself like a house of cards. Whoosh..
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Posted by:Monty
Location: St. LouisSubject: The Band
One of the greatest gifts my parents ever gave was the introduction to The Band! It has given me such a better appreciation of music.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: FetishesI was trying to impress Karen, Jerr... Karen got mad at me for no specific reason and done gone to wishing she could wash my mouth out with soap or soup or something. I wonder if my Zippo trick would change her mind.
Glad you liked it, you horny bastard! ;)
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Posted by:Brien Sz
I find it humurous when people get boned up about artists selling their music for ads. When the artist is young and making a small boat-load of cash, they call it selling out their art. When they've gone past their prime and their new music gets little attention and their old hits begin to wane, they call it smart business.
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Posted by:Bill M
Dee: Plus others too classy to even mention it.
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Posted by:DEE
Location: WisconsinSubject: Dr. Strangelove
Cheney in a wheel chair looking like Dr. Strangelove!
The count is four so far.....Joan, Peter, Jon Stewart and me. Scary!
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Posted by:Jerry
Rozz,,Had Bush spent anything close to 150 mil four years ago the media would have went nuts, not to mention this place going up in flames. This from a Barak voter and supporter was disapointing. I don't care where the dough came from it was way over the top during any economic times let alone during these times. Would spending half or a quarter of that make this inaugeration any less historic, I think not... Pete Seeger is a orginial. Pete looked like he was ready to chop some wood. That was a great moment... And now I'm going to take a cold shower after watching Rozz babys last link...
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Posted by:David P.
The unauthorized commercial use of a celebrity's voice and/or image can be a violation under the law, at least here in the U.S. This applies to celebrities & artists, both living or dead, as their heirs can also pursue a claim. Since many well-known celebrities normally receive multi-millions for licensing these rights, depending on the extent or length of use, the stakes can be high. The family of Frank Sinatra is known for their diligence in this area. Another example is the estate of Jerry Garcia, who sued a burrito restaurant franchise here in Atlanta over the unauthorized use of his image.
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Posted by:Bill M
Was creating the image of a duet by marrying footage of the dead Nat with footage of the living Natalie intended as a tribute to the departed or a way to help the living make a living? How 'bout the more recent ghost Elvis? I'm tempted to say that archival footage of Colonel Sanders was used to sell KFC even after he'd kicked the bucket - but won't.
Steve: Thanks. I'll listen closely, assuming that "it" is what I called the boomp sound in TRH. But certainly the sound is there more than once, but most of the time it's partially obscured by other sounds (or at least that's what I remember hearing).
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Posted by:Steve
Bill, I think we should move to using smoke signals to clear this up. Wait I'll back up my Ipod a little and do this right. OK, 9 seconds in there it is. What the hell is making that BOooom sound. There, again at 55 seconds, and a couple of times in between 9 and 55 as well.. I can say no more. Back to the sanding. Warning, never let someone else order windows for you, especially Marge. For some reason she thought since having an opaque wood sealer added to the windows at no additional cost was a good idea. I've spent 5 hours sanding it off by hand with little pieces of #60 paper. I'VE GOT BLISTERS ON MY FINGERS!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by:Kevin J
I recall some outfit using Oscar Peterson as background to a presentation on TV. I just thought “good taste” and “hope some money finds its way into the rightful pockets”. Context would matter and live concert images are much more tricky than just the music as background. I didn’t mind hearing “The Weight” in that coca cola ad but seeing live shots of our boys in concert would have been disturbing – somehow…………….Also the ad boys should stay away from taking a song like “Blowin in the Wind” which is clearly about a heavy subject like a man’s dignity and using it for something much more trivial. Now something like “Stairway to Heaven” was just about me trying to get laid in high school so the ad boys are free to use it any way they want now………..Of course Mr. Page does not let anyone touch that song – ever.
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Posted by:Peter V
Sorry, I didn't explain how tacky it was. It's film concert footage of Edith Piaf singing No Regrets. The subtitles start off "Regrets … I regret nothing at all …" then as she keeps singing the subtitles turn into a product placement instead of a translation. It's shite. Fortunately I don't recall the product (which would have been the point), so hopefully the arsehole who thought of it is now out of a job.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Subject: Laundered Money
A good college friend of my daughter grew up working with her Vietnamese immigrant mother at the family laundramat, got great grades in school, graduated from "the Harvard of the South" (College of William & Mary) but chose to make her living as a singer-songwriter. A few weeks ago she made a deal with Chlorox for the laundry product company to use one of her songs in a commercial. My daughter was ecstatic for her friend and so am I. The American Dream lives!
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Posted by:Steve
That might be true Peter but nothing tops using the lifeless, even when alive, Orville Redenbacher to sell popcorn after it was clear he'd really kicked the bucket.
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Posted by:Bill M
Peter V: Euro IP laws being what they are, I guess using an old recording of the long-dead Piaf singing "No Regrets" is much less trouble and expense than using the living Tom Rush. And most Anglophones, though clearly not you, wouldn't even identify Piaf's voice, much less think it through. Copyright laws aside, a more realistic sentiment might be found in Franka's "Regrets - I have a few, but then again, too few to mention."
Steve: You lost me with the first "it". Being what? The tympani (?) on TRH or the zen bass (?) notes on SICT? Not the kalimba (?), right?
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Posted by:Peter V
I thought using the dead Edith Piaf singing No regrets to sell insurance policies (as in the UK recently) was an appalling use of concert footage for commercial gain. Using dead musicians to sell a product?
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Posted by:Landmark
Location: Montreal
If my memory serves me right, All the Who's music up to and maybe including Tommy Belonged to their former producer Shel Talmy.
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Posted by:Steve
Sorry Joe, you're right, I just file everyone east of here under NFL and LBD. Now that you mention it I remember her being from Wales. I've only heard three songs but liked them all.Bill I guess it's Rick because it's in the spots you mentioned but it's in the song even before the vocal starts. Are we talking about the same thing?
I'm beginning to think it sounds more like somebody hitting a timpani and releasing the tension. To bring a little order there BOOoooom.
Still struggling to hear The River Hymn at 1:49
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Posted by:bob w.
David, I couldn't agree more.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Art Meets Commerce or It's Only Rock 'n Roll
I have no problem with that aspect of the commercialization of music, as long as the composers and performers, not just third parties, acquiesce and receive adequate compensation.
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My link
Link to a long list of songs and TV ads.
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My linkI'm with Kevin J. on the subject of selling rock songs for commercial purposes. Early on it was problematic but the long term says it will be this way. So it goes. Nobody complains much when a relatively unknown artist manages to sell a tune to a major corporation and hits it big. The mechanics of the matter are essentially the same.
Did anyone here begrudge Rick his royalty dollars coming from the use of one of his tunes as a TV show theme song? Songs become "product" once they are put out on the open market. To use them as reference points for other products seems a natural evolution.
Check out the tracklist on the linked page. I'm sure it didn't hurt any of those artists to have their songs used by the corporations referenced.
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Posted by:joe j
Subject: Duffy
Steve, I'm not sure of whom you're thinking but the singer, Duffy, is Welsh I believe. I have to admit I'm not familiar with her but I'm all for two other Brit soul sisters, Joss Stone and Amy Winehouse.
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Posted by:Bill M
David P: Yesterday it was Obama, today it's O'Reilly. A difficult question, I know, but do you think that yesterday's call to set aside childish things implied skipping straight to adulthood, or allowed room for teenage wasteland?
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: The Who Sell Out
What they once spoofed in a concept album has become a reality for The Who. Even the spiritual figure of Baba O'Riley can be used to sell an S.U.V., giving an entirely new meaning to Pathfinder.
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Posted by:Leona
Location: San Francisco
I just wantend to say The Band and there Last waltz were just great.For thoes who have pasted on let them rest in peace and for thoes who are still with us you guys are amazing and thank you for such wounderfull music and some great times and memoreys.
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Posted by:Steve
Kevin, remember business is not about spreading money to those who need it. Take solace in the fact the rich are getting richer and the poor are, well, they're getting zippy do da. It's the way the gods want it. never try and mess with the system. JQ I haven't heard much from Duffy but what little I've heard will have me tuning in, thanks. She's another talent from Joe's Rock, I think.
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: MTB - bob w, dlewGreat MTB video - great song! Before Music television, often one only knew a band by the back of an album cover. I only knew MTB from FM radio and never had a chance to see them live. Yes kids, they were better than Styx!!!!
Commercials: I have gotten over the whole issue of rockers uses their songs to sell beer, soap and sugar but it does bother me that these ad guys keep giving money to those who don't need it. Listenning to that MTB song did a lot more for me today than listening to "My Generation" for the 10,000th time. I am also sure that the estates of some families related to MTB could use the dough.
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Austin City LimitsJanuary 31 - Nick Lowe & The Swell Season
February 7 - Drive-By Truckers
February 14 - Sarah MacLachlen & Duffy
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My linkSubject: Marshall Tucker Band
dlew, I had the great pleasure of seeing MTB twice right around the time of this video. They were a great band. Toy Caldwell was an extraordinary guitarist, singer and songwriter. He and his brother Tommy were founding members. Both left us too soon.
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My linkSpeaking of Pepsi......millions of dollars spent to change their logo and this is what they came up with?
Once again, I'm feeling like I'm in the wrong business.
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Posted by:David P..
Subject: Talkin' 'bout my g-g-g-generation...Charlie: There's a Band link of sorts with the new Pepsi ad featuring The Who's "My Generation". A year or so ago Pepsi hired a new ad agency, TBWA/Chiat/Day, to replace BBDO Worldwide, which had handled their ad work for nearly 50 years. BBDO is the agency that used "The Weight" for an ad campaign for Cingular several years ago which prompted Levon's pending lawsuit.
dlew919: Those Tucker boys from Spartenburg, South Carolina were a breath of fresh air in the so-called Southern Rock scene of the '70s. They added a little touch of country with some Jethro Tull-like flute to their down home sound.
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Posted by:Friend0
Marshall Tucker
First record was fucking great. Second was pretty gawd damn good. Third was fucking great. The rest feh, but had some moments of sorts.
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My linkSubject: The Next "Van the Man"
Wondering if anyone here is aware of this gentleman's work. He is brilliant and passionate about creating a new, green economy. He has some great ideas. I believe we'll be hearing a lot from Van Jones over the next several years. I'm sure Mr. Obama is well aware of Jones' plan and the enormous potential he holds.
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Posted by:bob w.
Thanks Pat. Despite the reviews they sure sound good on those clips and I wish there was more.
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Posted by:Steve
Jan, the na,na,na,na hey hey goodbye was quiet audible on TV. The hundred or so people on top of the Canadian Embassy were shouting, " BYYYYYYEEEE GEORGE" as his chopper flew over.Very undiplomatic, but it was just in the spirit of the day. I guess if the home crowd is giving him hell, why not join in the spirit of the celebration. It's amazing how many people from Montreal rented buses and did the 20 hour drive to Washington.
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Posted by:dlew919
Subject: A great dayI felt an historic day for the land I love almost as much as my own.
Things, of course, won't get better instantly: but things will get better.
On music, any thoughts on Marshall Tucker Band?
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Wembley 74Thanks for the links to the Wembley 74 site. If the stage was at the right hand end, then I was around D5. It's so hard to recall a concert that long ago, but we arrived during Jesse Colin Young who'd started early, were enthralled by The Band, thought Tom Scott & The LA Express were totally brilliant, without Joni then with Joni. Joni was very good. CSNY were between disappointing and mediocre, except for the Graham Nash solo stuff which somehow sounded stronger and clearer than the other solo sets … and I'm not particularly a Graham Nash fan. Just I thought he was great on the night, but maybe he got a buzz from the crowd as the only Brit performing that day. Neil Young I remember as very disappointing, but as Mrs V can't stand his voice and was sitting next to me, I may have been unduly influenced.
I've mentioned this in an article, but the twerps behind us talked all through The Band until Garth started The Genetic Method intro, then they said, "Wow! It's just like Pink Floyd. Great!" They talked all the way through Tom Scott as well. But someone nearby threatened them in the severest terms when Joni started and they shut up.
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Posted by:Friend0
Was out in Lindenhurst Long Island on Route 109 this morning. From there I went to Route 110 in Farmingdale. then heading back NW on 109, from 110 towards the Southern State Parkway, I passed a big company named Levon's Graphics. Quickly followed by The Hollywood Motel, nestled just off the road, in a corner before the entrance to The Southern State Parkway. After that I expected to see Cathy Smith hitch hiking or driving the car next to me.
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Posted by:Pat B
Bob, there's a lot more of CSN&Y from that show floating around than The Band. I have no idea who commissioned it or paid for it, and I suppose anything is possible, but I've never heard of the Band filming themselves live for an entire show. There are mentions of live recordings from that era but no extensive filming. One guess is that CSN&Y wanted to film their set and used The Band to check things out beforehand. btw, most reviews of that show were pretty negative.
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Posted by:bob w.
I am aware of the AMH material. Isn't it possible there's more than two songs on tape?
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Posted by:brown eyed girl
Web: My link
Crosby Stills Nash and Young
Joni Mitchell
with
Tom Scott and the L.A Express
The Band
Jesse Colin Young.
Wembley Stadium , London.
9-14-74
Film stills, set lists, etc.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Subject: Springsteen Does "Rag Mama Rag"There's a live from Italy version of "Rag Mama Rag" up on YouTube, a racuous, rambling version with around 20 members of the touring version of the Seeger sessions band. There's also a Springsteen take on "Long Black Veil."
By the way: I think that new Pepsi commercial featuring the remixed version of The Who's "My Generation" with ragtime instruments at the start is one of the most brilliant commercials ever (and I generally HATE commercials) but I think the idea was stolen from the video made for the recent remix of Dylan's "Most Likely You Go Your Way (And I'll Go Mine)."
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Posted by:brown eyed girl
Web: My linkDylan and The Band - "As I Went Out One Morning". From the bootleg album "As I Went Out One Evening", Recorded January 10, 1974 in Maple Leaf Gardens Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Tomorrow the kidzzz will be exploring rock meets classical with "The String Quartet Tribute To Bob Dylan".
zulu's neice (student at Harvard) somehow snagged a ticket to one of the galas tonight. I have a feeling that she'll be privy to many more opportunities just because she's in the right place at the right time. Two students and their parents from my school also were in attendance for the inauguration. I'm looking forward to hearing about their experiences as they are both very young black Canadians whose families come from the Caribbean.
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Posted by:Pat B
The Wembley material was released on AMH. The Obama campaign spent 46 million from private donations on the whole inaugural. That's exactly 3 million more that Bush spent in 2004. The 150 million you hear bandied about by various know-nothings includes the massive security costs etc. that such a large event demands. Those costs--around 100 million--were about the same for Obama as they were for Bush in 2004. However, since there were so many people in DC/Maryland/Virginia for this event and the demand for housing was so great, the party could easily pay for itself.
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Posted by:joe j
Subject: Wembley
Thanks Kevin J and Bob Wigo re the Wembley link. The guys were really tight on 'Chest Fever', weren't they?
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Subject: One More Thing...One of my brothers brought up the thing about the cost of the Inauguration, so I assume this is the new talking point issued by the Murdock Empire. Anyway, that $150 million is small change compared to THESE numbers provided by THE WASHINGTON POST for government spending two years ago (I'm sure the 2008 numbers were much higher). Here were the top six military contractors for 2006:
Lockheed Martin...$32 BILLION
Boeing...$21 BILLION
Northrup Grumman...$19 BILLION
General Dynamics...$12 BILLION
Raytheon...$10 BILLION
Halliburton...$6 BILLION
And the war in Iraq was a mere $600 BILLION at that point...our tax dollars at work.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Jan: I thank you for the report and I'm happy things went so well. I know some people with tickets to be up front were not able to get in due to the crowd. I was lucky enough to be one of those with tickets for the second Clinton inaugural and it was wonderful, but I do remember the COLD. I remember seeing Kevin Costner nearby and thinking "what am I doing up this close?"I'm sort of that way with concerts, too--if I see an artist up close I don't want to see them another time from further back. Of course, I got spoiled being in the third row the first time I saw The Band and never got that close again until Jan F got me in the front row for Levon's last visit to Old Virginny. Thanks again, Jan!
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Posted by:Jan F.
Location: metro DCSubject: YES WE DID!
We did make it to downtown D.C. again today. Left home about 5:30 am, the train trip was a breeze . . . should have known it had to go downhill from there. Even though they weren't supposed to, some people spent the night on the Mall (no, not the usual homeless people -- we never figured out what they did with the homeless). There were so many people they couldn't all be moved so I guess the police just didn't bother . . . if you want to sleep in 20 degree weather without a tent, they'll just let you be that stupid.
Because of that, it was already pretty crowded by the time we got there. We got turned away at three entry points to the Mall and there was a water main break near another entry point that diverted the crowd again. We were traveling with just about the same folks through most of this adventure! Ended up getting onto the Mall (a little before 11 am) close to the Washington Monument and got a good spot near the steps the Lincoln Memorial. Watched the proceedings on a jumboton TV. It was incredible. It didn’t seem that cold except walking back to the train, I got a little chilled. Other than that, the crowds of people and the endless enthusiasm made everything warm and fuzzy (not to mention my long undies and a blanket). Got home about 2:30 pm and promptly took a nap!
Fun things: at the ceremony, when G.W. Bush was announced and walking to his seat, the crowd we were with starting chanting "Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye!"
Charlie, things were pretty trashed when it was over although not as bad as some events I've attended down there or rock concerts/festivals, etc.
Aretha was outstanding. Yo Yo Ma, Itzhak Perlman, etc. we OK – I thought the poem was weak. Did she write it last night or something?
Bon Jovi question: we arrived at the concert Sunday about the time he was finishing up his song. Everything sounded great to me. We don’t have digital cable so we couldn’t get the replay on HBO when we got home (hope you knew it was free if you have digital cable or a satellite dish). Oldest son, RJ’s revue of the concert was that it was “OK.” My sister said it was great. Guess it just depends on how you look at things.
J.F.
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Posted by:Peter M.
I should have read the rest of the posts before I jumped in and posted.
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Posted by:Peter M.
Location: by the pondSubject: Cheyney at the Inaugural
Our outgoing V.P. in the wheelchair. Is it just me, or are others getting a real "Dr. Strangelove" vibe out of this too?
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Posted by:rosalind
Only a little and for a mere week?
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Wembley
bob w: I have no idea how much of that footage is available but judging by the two clips I have seen (your attachment and mine) I would agree that that is The Band in top shape. Very sad to think that just 2 years after this the whole operation was to be permanently shut down! I am just so used to seeing The Band at TLW or in the 1969-1970 era that seeing performance from 1974 is very refreshing. Here’s hoping that there is hours more of this…….
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Posted by:a frequent lurker
Location: new jerseySubject: american beauty project/ny times
Thanks for the article Bill M. I was at that concert, and it was great! I was surprised to see the mention of Amy Helm as Amy was not there. Fiona McBain, Theresa Williams and Catherine Russell were the women singers - we missed Amy but believe me she was not there.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Most of the Inaugural events are paid for by private funds, not taxpayers, and the taxpayer funds are chicken feed in terms of the money the Bush administration has wasted in the last six months alone. Chump change. Toilet paper for the Department of Homeland Security for a week.HBO, for instance paid 2.5 million for exclusive rights to the free concert on the grounds of the Lincoln Memorial the other night. If you look quickly on YouTube (before HBO has it pulled again) you might be able to find the wonderful moment that Jan from DC and her husband witnessed in person: Pete Seeger leading the singalong with his grandson Tao and Bruce Springsteen on "This Land is Your Land." I think it was the best musical moment of the whole Inaugural period. It's especially inspiring to see Mr. Seeger looking so vital at age 89, almost comical as he's out there in the freezing weather in his flannel shirt while his grandson and Mr. Springsteen are wearing warm jackets. Say what you will about Pete Seeger, but you can't deny he's a hardy and true American original.
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My link
Kevin J, great footage. I recently asked here if anyone knows how much footage of this quality is available from the Wembley show but didn't get a response. Audio and video quality is excellent and The Band is seemingly at the top of their game. Anyone?
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Posted by:Bill M
Web: My linkSubject: Band (and Levon) mentioned in NY Times
Oh yes, sorry if this repeats something that someone else posted, but the Band got an en-passant mention in yesterday's New York Times, as did Levon (Helm). Plus Amy's in the photo with Larry Campbell et al.
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Posted by:Bill M
Not to worry, Rosalind: the money came out of the ordnance budget so there's lots left.
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Posted by:rosalind
Wasn't it when President Bush took office for the second time four years ago that everyone and their dog started barking about him even having ANY KIND of ceremony on account of the economy being so bad and now, when the country is in the worst economic trouble that it's ever been in, One Hundred and Fifty Million Dollars of Tax Payer Money for this "Galaxy of Stars" Shindig! Thought Obama was a community man? Thought he was for the poor man? Yeah. That 150,000,000.00 could have been spent in a much more constructive way, don't ya'll think?
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Posted by:Kevin J
Web: My linkSubject: Chest Fever - PLAY IT LOUD
2009 is off to a great start.......Jeff Beck in RRHOF for the 2nd time, Obama in power and W and the Devil out.
Check out the camera angles in the above clip of The Band from Wembley. The back shot of Levon, the up shot of Rick - very similar to what genius Marty used in TLW.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Location: Down in Old VirginnySubject: Boos, not Booze...and a Cleaner DC
Steve: I was at the opening game of the baseball season in DC last spring when the Washington Nationals (formerly the Montreal Expos) made their debut in their new ballpark. The chorus of boos greeting President Bush as he threw out the first pitch from the mound was amazing and I still remember the deer-in-headlights look of shock on his face, since he'd not been in front of an non-selected audience in ages. TV coverage apparently muted the sound, though, so I'm not surprised I didn't hear boos on TV today. I remember boos for Hillary Clinton at the post-9/11 Concert for New York and think that was the beginning of that bit of rudeness in recent years. Anyway, it seems like boos are part of the karma of the older G.W. Bush just as booze was part of his karma in his younger days.
I was in DC yesterday and got caught in the beginnings of street closings at around five PM, but made it out of the city before the REAL traffic problems began. Vendors with Obama merchandise were already setting up their booths yesterday at 5:30, not far from the largest number of portable toilets since the pope visited Germany. It was interesting seeing college-aged volunteers cleaning residential areas yesterday morning, but it made me wonder why the people who live there couldn't clean up the McDonald's wrappers, Starbucks cups and Christmas trees the voluteers were picking off sidewalks in time for the Inauguration. I guess they wanted visitors to think DC is as clean as Montreal or Toronto, for example, but it isn't. Let's see if change has really come...
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My link
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Posted by:Jean
Just taking your lead, Steve.
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: Sniping and Cheap ShotsJean, you've gone and done it.
Bill I gave River H a listen yesterday but didn't hear your booom. Maybe I need something better than an IPOD. I'll try again later, you've got my curiosity working.
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Posted by:Karen
Rosalind, are you the resident bully on the guestbook? Like The Raconteurs' song says "maybe when you're old enough you're not so tough".
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Posted by:Bill M
Location: TorontoSteve: fil=father-in-law, who you mentioned. As for the booing, I had no idea that it happened in DC too. I watched in a theatre with hundreds of others. THEY booed so heartily that you couldn't hear the CNN video feed we were all watching. No wonder Bush looked so unhappy every time the camera showed him.
Steve again: In "Shootout", were you wondering about the kalimba (?) throughout or the beautiful zenly pure pairs of notes that Rick plays right after "opium den" then again after "awhile"? And how 'bout Rick's playing on "Thinking Out Loud" - kind of like Ray Brown without the attack (in this instance).
Sticking with "Cahoots", if I had to, I'd guess that the narrator of TMSO in a member of the Insensitive family up on Choctaw Ridge. "How was my week? Awful - first my best friend got bitten by a snake and died, and what's worse, then the car died too." Of course our guys had already taken part in a parody of "Ode to BJ" - "Clothesline Saga".
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Posted by:Jean
I wish President Obama all the success and luck in the world. He'll need it dealing with a witch like Nancy Pelosi and a weenie like Harry Reid. I wonder if Harry can smell the tourists today...?
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Posted by:Steve
Wow, Aretha had a hat fitting for The Queen Of Soul! A thing of beauty.Roz, if you wonder why Canadians in oparticular are so caught up in your politics, get out a map. You are our ONLY neighbor.
Now we Canuckleheads have to rid ourselves of our Bush Like Prime Minister. We're the last one of the western democracies to be saddled with an, out of touch with the 21st century, Neo Con dunderhead". Pity us. Our leaders have usually looked progressive when compared with our only neighbor's leaders. No more.
you could sense the boo coming for Bush before it happened. I guess this might be the first time Bush has appeared in front of a large crowd in quite awhile that was free to let him know how they feel about him. Seems he's only spoken to people in uniforms for a long time.
What's his future as a motivational speaker do you think. Yuk Yuk Yuk,
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Posted by:Mike
Subject: January 20, 2009.
"Keep your eyes on the prize." - Mavis Staples.
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Posted by:Jean
Subject: President BushEchoing our new U.S. President, thank you for your service to our country.
I know this is not a popular position but I really don't care.
To those of you outside the U.S. thank you for your patience. Today is a very emotional day for those of use here in America. We'll get back to the sniping and cheap shots soon enough, I fear.
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My link
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: ObamaPlease forgive my one political post, but I am so excited.
Yaaaaay!!!
I watched Bush takeoff in the helicopter just to be sure.
Someone said it was a pity Cheney was in a wheelchair because it might remind people of Dr. Strangelove.
Go USA!
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: go aretha!
Always a privilege to hear her beautiful voice.
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Posted by:Norbert
Web: My linkSubject: Dear Mr. President
Dear Mr. President - Pink (link)
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Film....Bill M......Levon HelmReading about how The Band was approached to do some film work back in the day got me thinking about some recent films I have seen and how the music associated with those films. Clint Eastwood composed a beautiful song that perfectly closes out his latest Grand Torina. Sitting down to watch Quantum of Solace and hearing Jack White’s voice I thought that only very good things were to follow. I was wrong. “Appaloosa” is the best film I have seen in months (Standard western. Beautifully photographed ) but right at the closing credits a Tom Petty song pops out that is just jarring in how out of place it is.
Thanks Bill for the welcome back. I took a few months off to do some construction work. Ended up working on some houses in the Woodstock area. Worked on Levon’s house, in fact. A very pleasurable experience. Only drawback was the occasional run in with dumbass 17 yr old stalkers. No real problems though as we figured out that hanging plastic owls off the balconies kept the pigeons away and hanging plastic dolls of Gerry Garcia kept the teenagers away.
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Posted by:Steve
Sorry Jean, I'm not sure who Keith is. Cheney sneaking out of the White House IS great news, totally positive. Nobody should hope for Cheney to change his behaviour today. Sorry got to go watch the swearing in.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: A Change is Gonna Come
Watching the coverage, (on every news channel), I'm reminded this morning of Sam Cooke's great song.
It's ironic to listen to some of the attitude of Rosalind, (a good person I believe). However very good at displaying that attitude of SOME American people that the rest of the world hates. "He's our president! Shut up and mind yer own business!"
Rosalind you may be surprised to know, the amount of Canadian people who are being recognized for working on Barak Obama's campaign. Many of the giant companies here in Canada that we work for and with, are American owned. Our NAFTA is very dependent on who is president of the USA. Many of us are bigger stake holders in who is in political power in that country than you can ever imagine.
So now you can curse and abuse me for a while and give every one else a rest. But really yell loud, 'cause I'll be gone....BBBBBBBYYYYYyyyyy
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: We carried you in our arms on Inauguration Day …David Frost (last week's Sunday Times) tells a few good Nixon stories. This one is apt:
FROST: There was a wonderful story somebody told me. Six months after JFK’s inaugural, Nixon was talking to Ted Sorensen, JFK’s speechwriter. Nixon said, ‘There were things in that speech I wish I’d said.’ Sorensen says, ‘You mean, “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country?” ’ And Nixon said, ‘No, I was thinking more of, “I hereby solemnly swear. . . ’ ”
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Jim Byrnes
Good morning Kristie; Thanks for the revue. I'm sure glad you got to see Jim. I wouldn't want to miss that show given the opportunity.
I haven't seen Jim since the mid 80's. I was playing in Brandy's Lounge in the Keg at Whistler, and Jim was playing a club there, (I can't even remember the name of it now)
I hope you've gotten some of his recording too. I'm just on my way out for another trip. Really good weather this time, (sigh of relief.).........Later...........Norm
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Posted by:Jean
Steve, shouldn't you be having happy thoughts today? There's plenty of time ahead for you to channel Keith Olbermann. Can't we have one day without the rancor? Yes we can!
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: Weighty Evidence
Did Cheney really hurt his back personally removing boxes with incriminating evidence from the last 8 years of criminal governance from his office?
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My linkSubject: For Karen
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My linkNeil does love his cars!
Hey Karen, Do you like cars? Ya want me to take you for a spin? You help me pound that dent out on the hood and we'll get her in gear and hit the pavement but I gotta warn ya, the brakes ain't so hot.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: Joan
Ha Ha. Yes that is a good one Joan. I hadn't realized this until a friend mentioned it but post "Zuma" finds Neil to be singing a lot about cars. I don't mind, I like cars too, but his songs lately seem to be getting less and less personal. Has anyone else noticed this? Aside from "Prarie Wind" maybe.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: WestcoasterJim Byrnes was great. A really exceptional musician and genial guy. And he has a knack for picking songs by other artists("Just like Tom Thumb's blues" being one of them) that perfectly suit him. Jim's voice struck me as being very classic and his music is beautifully tuned to that.
And he is funny! Jim told a story that he said Muddy Waters once told at a concert he attended.It went something like;
A young man brought a girl home to meet his parents and his father took him aside and said;
"son you can't marry that girl. She your sister but your momma don't know."
The next week the son brought home another girl and once again his father took him aside;
"Son you can't marry that girl either. She your sister too but your momma don't know."
The next day the young mans mother asked him who he was going to marry.
"Ah momma I can't marry those girls."
"Why not son?" she said.
"Well poppa didn't want me to tell you but they my sisters!"
"That's ok son. You can marry them girls. He ain't you reall pappa."
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Kristie
Never forget "Long may you run" a love song to a car.
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Posted by:kristie
Web: My linkSubject: Neil Young
Oh, Neil.
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Posted by:rosalind
Dear - yes, I can tell you're a real maverick.. now, shoosh!
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Posted by:Karen
By the way, I looked up "superficial"; it bascically means a person has no "depth". Like they say on Jerry Springer, you don't know me. I apparantly have some depth, that's why I like The Band. I don't have to have the boys on the guestbook to defend me, I can do it on my own.
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Posted by:Steve
Luke, I've been mulling over putting Pill Box Hat on to lighten the mood a little and add a great example of Rocking And Rolling.Sorry Roz , I don't always add The Homer when I'm pulling people's leg. ROZ, This belated Homer's For You
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Bill, f i l project ? Luke I agree with you but two songs that I would put on the list would be Masterpiece and Watch Tower.
Kevin those songs are ones I don't know well enough and my list already got 20 plus on it and I got to cut that by more than half. Thanks though, I'm going to give Brownsville Girl.
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Posted by:rosalind
Carl - Yep, I know..
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Posted by:Bonk
Location: BC
Don't bite Roz. I think you're getting set up!
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Posted by:NB
Subject: Joan: Hope the album delivers
Glad you got it used, rather than full-price, just in case it's not as good as I remember. It's been as I said, many moons since I've heard it. Also, I was a little taken aback, after having just recommended it to you, to discover (through Bill M.) that their big hit "Flip, Flop and Fly" isn't on there as I had mistakenly remembered. There's another great song of theirs with the lyric " ain't no use running, got my running shoes on". I assumed that was on "We Deliver" but checking the song list on Amazon, I'm not so sure now either. (Bill ?). Anyway, I still doubt if I've given you a bum steer, but if I have I'll buy you a Manhattan when Northern GirI and I get to Manhattan. For me the Jane Vasey cut alone,"Tryin' To Keep Her 88's Straight", is worth half the cost of a CD. NB
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Posted by:Karen
Superficial? I don't think so. The way a woman carries herself does matter even nowadays when anything goes. If you were from the South you would know this already, dear. I'm not goin' to be insulted any longer thru this website. I love The Band & other talented artists, but do not enjoy the abuse from guestbook & chat room junkies.
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Posted by:rosalind
You judge a woman to be a lady or not by the words that come out of her mouth? That's a bit on the superficial side, don't ya think?
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Posted by:Kevin J
Steve: I don't think I was, however songs 1,2,4 and 5 from previous post would be examples of what you are looking for....I have heard Dylan claim no one else could really put over "Ring Them Bells" . Is there another vocalist alive who could put over "Brownsville Girl" or "Sugar Baby"
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: John KLJ
Nice to hear from you. How are you doing?
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Posted by:Karen
I think some people here need to wash their mouths out with soap(Rosalind & some others)! There aren't many ladies on this guestbook to begin with, you know. There is a time & place for everything, people.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: NB
Actually I caught both posts. I got a used copy of We Deliver. I figured Food or Music What the heck, I could afford to lose a few pounds. :-D. I heard Flip Flop Fly over at Youtube. I'll let you know when it gets here.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: integral dylan
Steve, if you haven't already got them on your list:
Sad Eyed Lady of the Looolands
Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat
Every Grain of Sand
One More Cup Of Coffee
Idiot Wind
Dear Landlord
Floater
In fact it might be easier to find songs where his delivery isn't integral..
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Posted by:John (KLJ) from Indiana
Web: My linkSubject: My music / Other Music
It's been a while, and I though this place was long gone. Actually when I first clicked the "guestbook" link I thought it was just old archives. Then I saw that the date was 2009.
Anyway, I'm still Kickin'. I got Levon's 'at Merlefest' CD since last time I was in here. Hard to believe it's alread been 10+ years since the release of "Jubilation". At least Levon's out there still making music. Although, I would like to hear something from Robbie soon.
I've also been recently listening to "Old Crow Medicine Show" which I'm really liking, although their stuff is a bit ... "druggy". Still, I'd recommend giving them a listen. For those who don't know, they're a bluegrass-y band who are influenced by the Grateful Dead, the Band, and Nirvana. Seriously. That's what they said. My favorite tune by them is "Wagon Wheel", which by the way my Windows Media Player says it was composed by Bob Dylan? I don't know. Anybody else heard these guys?
Anyway, if the moderators don't mind, there's some new stuff on my site. I've still got "several" copies of my first two releases. I know I could sell more if I was able to perform. Still, I made a small profit on each of them, so that's all good. I've got another one coming out soon, I hope (fingers crossed).
I'm also recording my cousin Brent Lechner's first Indie album. We've not got any good music clips up yet, just stuff off of his demos. We'll be fixing that soon. Brent's album will be out by mid-February.
I figure you could at least check some of the music out, if nothing else. I know some from here at the old GB did last year, and I thank ya' for it. I know one of you out there even bought one!
Take care all
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Posted by:Bill M
Location: TorontoNB: I'm sure it's the former "Everyday I Have The Blues", which was also recorded locally by Edward Bear on their first album, recorded when they were more blues than pop. It was sung by their then-guitarist Danny Marx, who was soon pushed out for the sin of not being a Scientologist and found refuge in a post-Bearsville LP version of the group Jericho, which also included former Suede, former Hawk (and soon-to-be auxilliary Aerosmith member) Scott Cushnie.
Seeing "Dig Myself A Hole" on the Downchild songlist reminded me of the truly great "Dig A Hole" by the Hans Staymer Band from Vancouver. (You can even find them in the discography section of this website, since their "Dig A Hole" album included a cover of "WS Walcott Medicine Show".) Definitely worth scouting out for the brilliant interplay of guitarist Ed Patterson and organist Robbie King. I believe it's out on a Japanese CD, but that's probably too expensive to consider.
Couldn't help but think of ranking Romans when listening to "Wren I Paint My Masterpiece".
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Posted by:rosalind
Steve the peacemaker Excuse me while I puke
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: clandestinely posting from the workplaceSubject: Bill M. / Joan
Thanks for your advice re "Straight Up" by Downchild. I haven't played "We Deliver" in decades and wrongly assumed it included "Flip, Flop and Fly", which is a must. (My turntable is shot so it's one of hundreds of great albums that have remained in the attic for almost ever - Peter V. gave me some good replacement advice but I've not acted on it as of yet.) "Straight Up" sounds good for the two tunes you mentioned, and I'm sure Downchild would go a great job on "Everyday I Have The Blues", which I see from Amazon is the opening cut. Also, "Bring It On Home" although I think there's two songs by that title, one that Sonny Boy Williamson (Rice Miller) sang and another that's done by Van on "It's Too Late To Stop Now", done originally by Sam Cooke (?) ("If you ever change your mind, About leaving me behind etc.). No matter, I'm sure Downchild did justice to the song, which ever one it is. I hope Joan catches these posts as I posted about "We Deliver" in response to her enjoying the Jane Vasey clip. Maybe I need to go get "Straight Up" and "We Deliver" in CD form, and/or get the friggin' turntable replaced ! As always, thanks Bill for the info you send my way, musical or otherwise. NB
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Posted by:Bill M
Steve: Don't forget "Copper Kettle", even if it comes from a neo-con anti-taxation perspective. Is the Dylan thing the f-i-l project you referred to? If so, what happened to clearing out his garage.
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Posted by:Steve
Monster, The football fans are all Blue NY fans and they've lost interest. They have the wrong guy manning the QB position and they now realize they're not really giants after all.Arizona has the worst record in the playoffs, they're unstoppable because of that alone. This is the Fantasy Island year in the NFL.
Roz, The Band is Canadian, please no more comments about them . Let's put up and then respect all borders, real and imagined.
Kevin I don't know if you were around when I described my father in law project.
I'm looking for songs that Dylan's voice and delivery are integral to the overall effect of the song.
Bill I'm going to give that thumping sound a listen . Wish me luck.
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Posted by:Bill M
Ari S: That's better. Doesn't seem so personal as just saying "I can't stand so and so."Steve: I'm sorry that I ignored (and now don't even remember) your boomp-sound point re "Shootout". By the way, listening to that very same song two point five hours ago, it struck me that the generic urban setting (i.e., freed from SF) seems a bit of a mix of the clearing of Toronto's original Chinatown in the early '60s (when it was pushed west along Dundas to make way for what we oldsters still call New City Hall) and Jean Drapeau's clearing of Montreal's Little Burgundy around the same time to make the place more presentable for global viewing during the then-upcoming Expo '67. Robbie may even have been living in Montreal when he wrote the song. And if so, it might even be worth pointing out that it's just a hop and a skip from thinking about that clearance to thinking about the much more significant Acadian clearance.
Roz: As Kevin J (welcome back) pointed out some months ago, the president is, whether we like it or not, the rest of the world's president too. So we get really ticked off when the relative few who get to select said president choose poorly. As has been pointed out, "When things go wrong, so wrong with you, it hurts me too."
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Posted by:rosalind
Tiny Monster - Your kid is very very talented!
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Posted by:Kevin J
Subject: Dylan for SteveSteve – The “greatest hits” are easy pickings but the following are a few suggestions that might appeal to your Father in law. They are among my favourite Dylan songs:
1. Let me Die in My Footsteps
2. I and I
3. Foot of Pride
4. Every Grain of Sand
5. Angelina
.6. Where are you Tonight?
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Posted by:rosalind
I can see it comin'. Any mistake this guy makes from now till kingdom come wil be blamed on the former administration. That's bullshit and everybody with eyes that see will know. And Canadians should keep their eyes up north! This isn't your country Steve, so why bark at it all the time? YOU DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
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Posted by:Tiny Monster
Location: Out-ThereWeb: My link
Subject: ... FOOTBALL DAMN IT !!! ...
... The STEELERS are going to the Superbowl again !!! ...
... Not one football fan in this whole messed up group ? ...
... By the way, the background music on my space (Web page) link is my kid. Playing all instuments, wrote and sings ... He's a good kid. Just wish he would pay back the loan I made him ...
... Well, what are kids for. Can't live with them, can't kill them ... insert smile face here ...
... AZ ? ... Are you kidding me ? ...
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Posted by:Ari
I should have specified? I'm sorry. In that case, I think her phrasing is awful and often halts the song.
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Posted by:Steve
Roz can't say for sure, I've never had the chance to compare.Funny you should mention "the sun setting", I was going to mention that, this evening, about 4pm Eastern, will be the final sunset on The Bush Debacle, though the effects will be around for a long, long time to come ( pun intended) but at least Bush and Cheney are finally gone. Let The Sun Shine In!
Bill, I thought, Smith, was a nod to Cathy. I'm going to check out the tympani moment you mentioned and then see if it matches the sound in Shoot Out IN Chinatown which I've mentioned a couple of times but drew no response or help with my inquiry. Better luck to you.
I've been working on Dylan tune selections for my father in law but man it's tough. The bastard has written so many interesting songs.
So far, Tangled Up IN Blue, Highway 61 and Visions Of Johanna are in for sure. I've been listening to a steady diet of Bob on my daily ski for the last couple of weeks and without strict editing I'd be up to about 40 songs by now and that will doom my project from the get-go.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: As Gertrude Once Said To Ernest ...The Sun Also Sets!
People ought to hold that elation under their hats a bit until they see whether or not this guy can walk the walk as well as talk the talk. I doubt that he really knows what he's getting into. He'll be late nite crying into his hands about the whole mess when reality hits. Steve - are you a pre-mature ejaculator too?
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Posted by:Zzzz
don't worry, be joyful... (whispered meekly)...
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Posted by:Bill M
My listening hint for the day. Go to 1.49 of "River Hymn" and listen for the single beautiful deep tympani (?) boomp. At least I think it's not a bass drum, a bass or a deep piano chord. Appears maybe 10 times through the rest of the song, but never sticks out so much.Re the same album, I've pretty much convinced myself that Bessie in "Goin' Down The Road To See ..." is the same Bessie as in "Up On Cripple Creek", with Smith being just the standard ID-protection device used at shabby motel check-ins.
Ari S: I doubt that most of us really care if you don't like Maud's singing or phrasing, but I wish you'd been more specific in your original post about your dislike.
NB: When it comes to Downchild, my favourite is their second album, "Straight Up", which includes their biggest hit, "Flip Flop And Fly" and their second-biggest, "(I've Got Everything I Need) Almost". That they influenced the Blues Brothers is clear in the fact that the Blues Brothers covered "Almost" (a Downchild original) and most likely also in the fact that the BBs also recorded FF&F. Bang-on re both SB and DB, btw.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Van MorrisonThe Van Morrison official website now has "Astral Weeks Live At The Hollywood Bowl" up (for release February 9th). It has a CD version and a double LP version. As with his last album, it's the VINYL version that has the bonus track, not the C D.
They also have the LP reissues of Moondance and Astral Weeks that David mentioned last week. I'd rather buy from Van than amazon!
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Martin Scorsese Blues series
For UK posters, HMV has the full set on seven DVDs including three hours of bonus performances for £20, down from £50.
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: It's Not All Negative and Bush Kicks Ass!Roz, there is good news on the Bush/Bama front.
A poll of Canadians found that 4% of Canadians had a negative or somewhat negative opinion of Obama.
In a similar poll of Canadians, Bush kicked Bama Butt with an incredible 82% negative or somewhat negative opinion. 82 to 4, WOW!
When the results are that black and white there's no question as to who's the undisputed big wiener! No contest.
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: Not Too Soon GoneRoz, you sound like you're already suffering Texan Eeedgitt with-drawl. Why so sad, he's still prez for a few more hours and then if you really want to soak in the glory of the last 8 years there's plenty of highlites on Youtube and comedians will be reworking his best stuff for decades to come. The again, in a few short years what's her name will be running for Prez and it will be just like 1956 all over again.
Come on girl, chin up, there's life after Bush.
Is it true, FOX is going to run a black screen during the swearing in ceremonies?
REMEMBER, in this year of NFL Fantasy football, the smart money will still be on the team with the arena football quality line up and the record to prove it. ARIZONA! My only worry is that they needlessly wasted a win during the regular season.
They could have made the playoffs with a 7-9 record. They got Super Duper Bowl Champs written all over them. Don't be distracted by the fact Pit has a better team, remember this is the year of mediocrity .
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Posted by:Jean
Jan F - Did you see Bon Jovi sing A Change Is Gonna Come? I don't have HBO so I only saw a short clip on one of the cable stations - he sounded awful. The Morning Joe crew also ripped the performance.
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Posted by:Adam
Subject: Maud Hudson
Ari, you're very brave for letting your honest opinion be known. I want to like what Maud does, but although she has a nice voice, I find her phrasing to be a bit too much.
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Posted by:rosalind
Ari - You have a right to like or dislike anything that suits your fancy. If you want to know the truth, she doesn't do too much for me either! I know she has a wonderful voice (for the vast majority here who love it) and she's a very fine lady. So what? That doesn't mean EVERYONE has to enjoy the sound!When you become afraid to voice your own musical tastes in a website dedicated to music well...
Bonk - Thanks for stickin' up for me..
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Posted by:Jan F.
Location: metro DCSubject: Concert/Lincoln Memorial
Yep, Mr. Steve and I went down there a little late . . . didn't arrive until about 15 minutes after it started. Got there just as James Taylor started singing. Pretty good - esp. Bono. Can't say much else was very inspired except Pete Seeger & Bruce singing "This Land is Your Land . . . ."
Anyone else from the metro area there? I didn't see anyone I knew . . . . 8-)
J.F.
P.S. It wasn't so cold either and those who know me know that I'm a real Southern Belle about cold weather -- yikes. Hope it's that warm on Tuesday (not a chance).
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Posted by:Ari S.
I know I am Joan, I was worried about posting it but I had to get it off my chest. Sorry all. I did like that interview clip alot Joan, thanks.
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: A brief moment of Rick and Levon
It made me smile.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Ari S
About Maud, you are skating on "thin ice" there. :-D
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Vern Gosdin
Just back from down island this afternoon. Took a squint in here. JQ, I concurr with David, Chiseled in Stone. An album I never tire of listening to.
David, "Nobody Calls From Vegas Just to Say Hello"
Kristie; Thanks for that. If you don't hear from me for a few days, I'm away Tuesday morning, up to above Bella Bella for a load, and down to Campbell River, and back to Port Hardy.
I'll see y'all later.
PS; Some one said they don't see how smoking would change your voice. Well that's a remark from inexperience. Once you quit, you can't believe the difference.
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Posted by:Mike
Subject: Levon's set list from last night.
Thanks to Levon's manager, Barbara, here is last night's amazing set list:
1.Ophelia - C2.
Same Thing - D3.
Battle Is Over – G4.
Such A Night - F5.
I Don’t Care Who Knows – A 6.
Long Black Veil – D7.
Got Me A Woman - G9.
Ashes - A10.
Did You Love Me - G11.
Deep Elum - D12.
Train Robbery - Bb13.
Gospel Train - C14.
Anna Lee15.
Rag Mama - E16.
Natural Anthem - E17.
Mardi Gras Day – Eb18.
Remedy - D19.
Imagine That - D20.
Time Out For The Blues - E21.
Across The Great Divide – F22.
Chest Fever – E23.
Weight – Bb
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Posted by:Mike
Subject: Inauguration.
It's ok, Ros, a record is supposed to be set for the number of port-o-toilets used at a single US event - 5K w/ over 2 mill using them. The incoming pres is very cool, but the some of the pomp & circ is..... can we say...very Rolling Stone mag-like - poserish:).
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Web: My linkSubject: The Hawk's Boys and Garth doing "Ain't No More Cane"
Not bad, (but you may have heard better, somewhere).
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: The Barack Obama Show
What a bunch of blind optimistic bullshit! There ain't a shovel in the world big enough to cover up all the crap that's goin' down today! Abe Lincoln's thinkin What the fuck? I took it in the head for this shit? I'm sure he's been havin the dry heaves all day long.
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Posted by:Brien Sz
I've seen the Crowmatix 3 times. Twice at the Towne Crier and I can't remember where the other one was - NY or NJ. Always a good show, saw Garth with them once. Yet, I have to say, as well as they play together and jam well, they don't have anything about them that I found exceptional. Certainly vocally, I always thought was their weak point. But hey.., if you are having fun and can make a little scratch at it, God bless. Forget the critique and just enjoy.
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Posted by:Friend0
It was late 80s or real early 90s when The Cromatix first appeared.I saw em a Joe's East in New Paltz more than once. I had no idea Levon was still playing with them as late as 98. 97 I split for St louis, when I returned in 02 Garth was often guesting and playing with the Cromatix. On visits in in the very late 90s, i learned Levon had the barnburners going.
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Posted by:Friend0
Eddie, that was my point. The Cromatix evolved from The Crows. When Aaron , Marie and Levon joined, it became The Cromatix. The Crows still played occassionaly though. The Cromatix are still around and going strong of course. Jimmy Eppard left a few years ago,maybe late 02 or early 03. Was replaced by Mike Demicco, and there is a different guitar player for some time now. Mike Dunn stayed on after Jimmy left, but then split a few years back. Frank Campbell, former Woodstock all Star, has been the bass player since then. Gary Burke been the drummer for ages now. But donlt be surprised if every now and then there is a Crows show. Jimmy, Mike and Randy go back a long way. All are great guys and great players.
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Posted by:Eddie
Location: NYCSubject: The Crowmatix
When I was in New Paltz, NY, 1989-1992, a band called The Crows used to play in a back alley club called Coochie's. Anyone know if The Crowmatix originated from The Crows of New Paltz?
PS: I also saw Jimmy Wieder play at Coochies around that time.
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Posted by:Lars
Web: My linkSubject: Original Crowmatix
I looked it up in the archives. Levon WAS at that Tinker Street Cafe with the original Crowmatix (including Randy and Marie) on March 7, 1998.
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Posted by:Friend0
Original Crows or original Cromatix? The Crows were Jimmy, Randy and Mike Dunn. Once in a while, in the later days, they let Howie Brown play sax and keyboards.Far as I remember, the original Cromatix were, Aaron, Levon, Jimmy, Mike Dunn, possibly Marie. I never saw Randy and Levon in the Cromatix at the same time, I never saw Randy in the Cromatix but I imagine it happened at some point..Of course, later on Gary Burke took the drum seat.
One of the great shows I saw at Bearsville Theatre was a blending of The Band and The Crows. Killer show.
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Posted by:Lars
Location: A snowy Ulster County morningSubject: Smoke and the ties that bind
The worst night of second- hand smoke I ever went through was approx. 11 years ago at Woodstock's Tinker Street Cafe'. The original Crowmatix were playing and the tiny venue was packed. I remember Randy was so late in showing up that Butch Dener turned to some teen aged kid (who I think was one of the band's helpers, or "roadies") and said "If Randy doesn't show, guess who's playing drums tonight?"
The kid didn't look too happy. Anyway, Randy finally wheeled in and when the music started I could see Eppard at the far mic, so I slowly slid over his way. Watching Jimmy Eppard play his guitar was always a lot of fun for me. I can't remember if Levon was there that night or not. Randy was near the center of an area too small to be called a stage. Smoke hung from the ceiling and seemed to dissipate as it spread lower. Somebody over by the door was smoking the raunchiest cigar I'd ever been subjected to. When I felt my throat get sore I made my way out the door and the fresh air outside was a great relief. I watched the rest of the show through a window, which somehow isn't the same as actually being inside with the music. When The Reformed Band travelled around Europe (1994?) they had their own bus. Everybody was in the back and, according to Randy, sometimes he and Weider went to the front of the bus where a curtain was stretched across the third row of seats and the smoke wasn't as thick up there. But Levon would eventually poke his head through and urge them to rejoin the group. I think Bill Perry made one of those trips with the boys. Whenever I saw The Band play live I noticed Randy and Levon used to be playing loose and laughing together, at God knows what. I think there was, and probably still is, a real bond between Levon and Randy.
Which leads to a question: how important is a personal relationship when a band is being formed? The early Beatles (Quarrymen?) had Stu Sutcliff playing bass, mainly because Stu was a good friend of John Lennon's. From the little I know about the Beatles, Stu was an artist but not really a musician. When Stu fell in love and stayed behind in Hamburg, part of his reason might have been that he knew he was a weak link in the group.
When Dylan wiped out (?) on Zena Road, that lead to The Band's life at Big Pink. Richard was playing the drums because Levon had left the group and gone down South. Perhaps the rest of The Band members missed Levon's vocals and his drumwork, but I think they probably missed Levon's presence,too. The Band was still (I believe) pretty closeknit at that point of their development. Rick called Levon and told him about their good fortune, and he wanted to share it with him. Rick also probably knew that, at that point, they all needed each other. At least, it's nice for me to believe that.
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Posted by:Fred
Subject: Smoke gets in your..lungs
As bartending in the haze of secondhand smoke was no f*cking picnic, I can well imagine the havoc it can cause for singers.
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Posted by:Peter V
I was assuming he wouldn't be able to sing Tears of Rage, Steve. I mean, who can? I was just agreeing that singing into smoke is different than just being there.
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Posted by:Steve
Peter, I didn't say sit there passively, I suggested singing, Tears of Rage, while feeding the leaves to the fire. Maybe I should have suggested, This Weed's On Fire.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Singing voices & smoke
Smoking at venues stopped much later in the UK than US, I think. Try Steve’s test of burning paper in a basement, but don’t just sit there quietly, do full deep breathing exercises at the same time (to simulate singing). Many singers have said smoky venues were a major problem for them, and I’ve heard singers who smoked themselves say the air in a club full of smoke was too much for their vocal chords, affecting them in a way that having the odd puff directly didn’t. There may be something in variety too. The ex-smokers here will know that if you stuck to one brand the coughing was limited, but if you changed brands or started smoking other people’s brands you started coughing. That was the peril of conferences twenty years ago when I used to smoke, in countries where offering cigarettes was an automatic sign of friendship. You’d end up having no more than five cigarettes in a day, but five different brands, and it was like smoking twenty of one brand. Smoky air in clubs was awful for the voice. So in some ways dense passive smoking was worse than smoking directly.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Location: Down in Old VirginnySubject: A Survivor...and Another Too Soon Gone...
Carlene Carter played a short, sweet show here in Old Virginny tonight and acknowledged her deep roots in the state as an important link in the chain of the legendary musical Carter family. She's survived addiction and the deaths of many members of her family but brought along husband number four who helped on a couple of fine duets during a memorable, powerful evening of music. I came home and--thanks to YouTube--watched her when she was young, backed by Levon on mandolin singing "I Fell in Love."
YouTube also has a nice tribute to a fine young musician killed in a car crash this week, Bruce Hornsby's nephew, R.S. Hornsby, who sometimes sat in with Bruce's band. The young Mr. Hornsby often contributed electric guitar solos reminiscent of Jerry Garcia's Gibson electric sound, and the video up on YouTube has his uncle singing the Grateful Dead's "Standing on the Moon" as R.S. solos into infinity. Those of us who knew this kind and talented young man will miss him a lot.
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Posted by:Zzzz
We love her dearly...
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: Maud
I bet I'm the only one in on this guestbook that cannot stand Maud Hudson.
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Posted by:joe j
Thanks Mike for the tip to the Sadies video. Garth sure looks animated doesn't he?Thanks NB for the Downchild link. I remember Jane from a couple shows in Toronto in 1979-80. I sort of lost track of the band and hadn't realized she'd died.
Old vinyl for a stormy Saturday: 'New Morning', 'Mott the Hoople' and 'Waiting for Columbus'.
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My link
garth is on this one too
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Posted by:Friend0
In the vid you can see "Virgil Cane", not exactly Caine. It's a beautiful cane that Levon had given her. Maud has a quick wit, and knew it's natural name right away.
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My link
As Mike said, the link is to Garth aad Maud with the Sadies New Years Eve past.
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: Steve
I understand that it's definitely bad for health, but I'm not sure that it would effect his vocals since he was directly smoking it.
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Posted by:Mike
Subject: New Garth & Maud vids from New Yr's Eve in Toronto @ the Horseshoe.
Maud performs "Don't Do It" & Garth performs "Diamond Mine."
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Posted by:Jack
Subject: DownchildNorthern Boy writes: "I'm almost certain the original "Blues Brothers" act was based on Downchild, something Akroyd and Belushi went on and created after they performed once with Downchild."
You are correct Northern Boy. When Dan was with Second City in Toronto; before heading to New York, he saw the band many times. In fact he has said so; in the past that the Blues Bros came from his love of Downchild.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: beyond Hope, BCWeb: My link
Subject: Joan/ More Rain and More Jane/ Downchild Blues Band
So you experienced a BC deluge day, did you ? Well there's those, and there's the day-after-day type of rain as well in the fall, spring, and sometimes even winter when we should be getting snow. Actually though, Easter to mid-October is generally very nice and with none of that wretched Eastern humidity.
Glad you liked The Downchild BB clip with Jane Vasey. That was, as Bill said, just a TV appearance and a key portion of the band was not there. And of course the jazz vibist isn't part of the band, but rather the host of show. But it at least gives you a sense of Jane's playing abilities and the tightness of the band.
My small town of 7,000 used to hold an annual Blues Festival and we brought in the modern day Downchild Blues Band about four years ago. I'm almost certain the original "Blues Brothers" act was based on Downchild, something Akroyd and Belushi went on and created after they performed once with Downchild. (Bill M. could correct me if I'm wrong).
Anyway, I know your album budget is spoken for till March of 2019, but if you ever want to pick up a great and fun Downchild album that's early enough to include Jane (who died in '82 of leukemia) maybe jot this down. It's called "We Deliver" and it was kind of a must-have in everyone's collection when I grew up in Toronto. The cover of the album looks exactly like a pizza box and when you open it up and fold it open, the inside is a half-eaten pizza, as I recall. I doubt if the gag works too well now with a CD, but it was worth buying the album back then just for the pizza box gag alone. The real contents (ie. the music) is CLASSIC Downchild, and includes the 1980 minor hit, "Trying To Keep Her 88's Straight" that I spoke of, which features Jane both playing and singing. Bill M. may have better/other advice for you but I don't see how you could go wrong with "We Deliver".
By the way, on a re-run I eventually saw the Jon Stewart episode you were bringing to the attention of the GB Canucklehead contingent, "Provinces In Peril". Very funny. Canadian Samantha Bee reporting from Ottawa, etc. Actually she is Canadian, as is her husband who writes for Stewart, and who may have come up with most of the piece. NB
PS.Thought I'd run the link again for those who missed it-I tend to scroll through the vibist, though he's certainly a better stick-handler than anyone on the Toronto Maple Leafs hockey team. The first big blues pianist Jane saw perform live was Otis Spann, btw.
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Posted by:Steve
IIKKA, I have to tell you that your suggestion about making money off Saku's name almost cost me $50.00 within minutes.My younger son and his friend are big hockey fans and they were in the kitchen when I finished reading your post. As a joke I said to them," I'll give you guys $50 if you can tell me what Saku Koivu's name means in English.
His friend says, his last name means some kind of tree but I can't remember what kind. My father told me what his last name meant but I don't really listen closely he's always telling me stuff."
His father is really into horticulture and for some reason knew what Koivu meant in English. I was lucky.
Ari, secondhand smoke has been accepted by the medical profession as harmful to your health, for years. I expect Richard was effected by it especially in clubs.
I remember as a 17 year old playing hockey here in Quebec in arenas where there were thousands of people smoking. By the end of some games there was a blue cloud up in the rafters. We were lucky to be 40 or 50 feet below the cloud, in a bar you'd be right in it .
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Ari/Levon's book
Oh Ari, I don't know if you really want to turn over that rock. The subject has been pretty well "posted" to death. A lot of it was on Little Pink, so I'm not sure the archives survive, but suffice it to say, "been there, done that".
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Into the wild
The true tragedy is he refused to take a compass or even a map into the wild. There was a bridge over the river 1/4 mile from where he starved to death. Had he had a map, he could have walked out with ease. I know he has become a cult figure, but I'm not sure that kind of stupidity/stubborness deserves admiration.
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: Levon's Book
Steve, I understand that that would most likely be detrimental to your health, but I wonder how it would affect his vocals as he wasn't the one smoking it.
I do recall though, Richard putting a cigarette in Ronnie's hand. I think I read it in Levon's book.
I also must say that I enjoyed Barney Hoskyns book, which i just read, as much, if not more than Levon's. It's not that it's more entertaining (even though it is), but I just don't believe everything Levon says. Alot of the things, like him taking direct quotes that happened 30 some years before Levon "wrote" his book, or his lack of talking about Robbie for all the things that he did, and his many incorrect facts - it just makes the book an incredulous read. Aside from that, he made Robbie Robertson look like a terrorist. He basically accused Robbie of murdering Richard Manuel and Rick Danko. No matter what you think of the guy, there is no way he intended to kill anybody. This is getting me mad just talking about it.
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Posted by:Ilkka
Location: Nordic CountriesSubject: The book: "This Wheels On Fire"
The song (This Wheels On Fire) is by RICK DANKO and BOB DYLAN. Levon's book shoud have another title. Like a song Levon wrote by himself ... like...like...
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Posted by:Kristie
Subject: Into Thin Air"Into Thin air" and "Into the Wild" had to be two of the most frustrating books I have ever read. "Into thin air" especially because of of the overall lack of organization there seemed to be on the mountain. And climbers passing dying people to reach the summit....!? I climb a lot but if anything ever happened to a friend or stranger I wouldn't be leaving them to die(maybe this is why I can't ever climb Everest...the place is a graveyard because there is no way to transport the bodies out.) But I guess the rules don't really apply on Everest.
"Into the wild" was interesting, yet, I couldn't help but feel the research done into Christopher(Alexander) as a person was a bit lacking. The book hinted at mental illness, but not in any way that could explain him going into the Alaskan wilderness, stopping in a bus, and essentially waiting to die. I know he got sick but not for a few days. What was he waiting for??Weather? So many unanswered questions. That is what I find frustrating.
But then again, maybe the mystery surrounding Chris and his life is what makes "Into the wild" a great book..?
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Posted by:Ilkka
Location: Nordic CountriesSubject: Studying in OSTFOLD COLLEGE / To Mr. Hoiberg
I called to councelor at your college. - Sorry, it was a fake. I said that I had upper secondary education (true, I didn't tell about MA and more.) Counselor kept asking about my skills in Norwegian language. Here in Scandinavian countries we accept Scandinavian languages. In our global world we must accept other languages, too. Like Arabic, Spanish etc. In your college you seemed not to have understood this basic thing. None of my business, though.
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Posted by:Therese
Location: maineSubject: Levon's book
I just read "This Wheel's on Fire" and couldn't put it down the whole time. Absolutely Loved it, it was my first comprehension of what The Band was all about and did cry when i got to the part of headin home after the Last Waltz.
I do have a question, the search is giving me a headache, I've been looking so long. I've been going to concerts since 1988, saw the Grateful Dead in Worcestor and I swore that The Band opened for them but now I can't find any evidence of that. Did the Band ever open for the GD between 1988 and 1993? Would love to know it was reality or a just a hopeful fantasy. I did see Jerry Garcia Band in 1994, Oakland but it really seems like it was before that. I'm just going crazy trying to remember where the heck I saw The Band. Would they have opened for the Allman Bros? Little Feat?
fuzzy memory in maine,
Therese
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Posted by:Ilkka Jauramo
Location: Nordic CountriesSubject: Internet security / To Mr. Hoiberg
As a Linux client user I would be interested to see in statistics how many Linux users are visiting this site. Maybe it is somewhere there but I have not found it.
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Posted by:mmm
Sorry.. don't know what happened
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My linkSubject: This One Too..
It' one lonely Saturday Morning..
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My linkSubject: I Don't Know Why
It catches my fancy
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Posted by:Steve
Norbert, I've read both of Krakauer's "Into" books. Into The Wild and Into Thin Air. Somehow reading about someone starving to death in Alaska was more depressing than reading about others freezing to death on Everest, possibly because there were some survivors on Everest in spite of the insanity.
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Posted by:Steve
ARI, I'm going to give you a little task to simulate what it's like being in a basement with several smokers for several hours a day for several days a week.Gather up some paper and leaves if you can get your hands on some at this time of the year.
Go down into your basement( if you have one)get a big metal pot, put the paper in and light it.
Now start sprinkling the fire with those leaves while singing Tear Of Rage.
Remember, keep this up for several hours, then do it again tomorrow and then the day after and the day after that and so on. You have nothing to fear since what you're doing is not technically considered smoking. Maybe you could report on your progress next week. Bonne chance!
Bill I think she charged but she accepted returnable bottles in lieu of cash if you were a little short( pun intended).
Hey NB, I think you and Bill have reached the point in your relationship where you could exchange email addresses. I keep trying to picture Bill in Vanna White's dress as you play but it's not helping.
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Posted by:Norbert
Web: My linkSubject: Into the Wild
Serenity,
Thanks a lot for your nice words, if you can get hold of the Into the Wild dvd please do. (see also the YouTube link)
In 1990 Christopher Johnson McCandless (February 12, 1968 - August 18, 1992) had graduated (he was an A-student), but he was fet up from his rich parents and society. He gave away his $24,000.- savings to Oxfam charity and hiked through America to live a period of solitude, although he made some friends along the way. For years McCandless had dreamed of an Alaskan Odyssey (he was a Jack London addict), April 1992 he finally got there. In the woods some 25 miles from Healy he found an abandoned bus, witch he called the Magic Bus and he lived there alone for some four month. In July he tried to leave, but found the trail back blocked by the Teklanika River. August 18th he died. His final entry in his journal was "I HAVE HAD A HAPPY LIFE AND THANK THE LORD. GOODBYE AND MAY GOD BLESS ALL!". Two weeks later hunters found him in the bus.
Jon Krakauer heard of the story and wrote the bestseller “ Into the Wild”, in 2006 Jean Penn made the movie, Eddie Vedder (Pearl Jam) wrote the music.
The “ Magic” Bus can still be found along Stampete Trail, people visit it (see YouTube) like some visit Big Pink. Christopher Johnson McCandless became a legend.
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: DlewOh, I don't know. Over here the "married man's tax allowance" was scrapped (rather predictably) just before I got married and replaced with something else based on whether you'd popped out any grizzling nappy-shitting sprogs or not. Which the wife and I have absolutely NO intention of doing: I like a spare room to be a recording studio and the wife's figure is just perfect the way it is.
But then again, what's new? Even my own mother is one of those people who think that my smoking indemnifies the National Health Service from having to treat me but fails to understand just how much tobacco tax pays for the NHS and her own retirement pension. Having commenced slagging off my own dear mother I might as well point out that her retirement has consisted of making poncy bespoke greeting cards (that she sells in the village hair salon for £2.50 a throw) and days out with her mates; DAD's retirment, however, has consisted of hanging some new doors, getting some decking laid, redecorating four rooms, replastering and redecorating the bathroom and cutting an extremely large silver birch tree down unaided (I was at work).
"You can't educate pork" is a great saying from an old friend who has issues with most authorities and their inefficiencies. Too right. You cannot cross-pollinate demographics either: when working class folk read a tabloid and decent (oops) I mean..oh shit, I've done it now..read a broadsheet paper there were no issues. Now we have the Daily Mail for what are plainly well-heeled thickies with ideas of being seen as halfway intelligent.
None of which, of course, makes any word of sense but I've been at the 11% Belgian ale that my eldest Brother-in-law bought over from Brussels. He works for the EU which, without any disrespect to Geoff, is ANOTHER thing that - for the UK at least - frankly ought to be fucked off out of it!
So that's tax allowancies, my own mother, The Daily Mail and the EU rubbished in one post. And the f-word chucked in too! My work is done here: good night from the UK!!
PS Tomorrow I will attempt to email Andrew Sachs!!!!
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Posted by:dlew919
Subject: It didn't rain...Peter - your tongue-in-cheek complaint was reminiscent of some complaints heard recently in Oz. The Government, in an attempt to stimulate the economy, gave certain people 1000.00 AUD. The conditions were you had to have child endowment (which means you got 1000.00 AUD per child) or be a retiree. (It was very problematic - i won't go into childless couples, et cetera...)
Nevertheless, they gave a cut-off of 110,000 AUD income per annum - so if you earned more than 110 k per annum, no bananas... (to give you an idea, prices in the US, UK, Canada, NZ adn Aus are about the same - just he value of the currency is different) ... there were complaints from people that because they were over the threshold, they didn't get it. In other words, they earned too much money...
I shake my head...
(and as I said, this had litle to do with Peter V's 'complaints' about beautiful weather...)
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: Bill M. and Steve
I listened today for that line and Where Do We Go From Here. It has lately become a favorite of mine, even though it's title is quite ominous. But I had always noticed that that line of Rick singing "on board" was always quite interesting and I hadn't realized the allusion he was making. Nice call.
Steve,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but being around smokers alot (Levon) wouldn't make Richard's voice rough as long as Richard wasn't the one smoking. I also can't recall ever seeing Richard smoke.
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: Joan/SpamJoan, it's been pretty bad for a while over here so haven't noticed any increase as such. Viagra, Cialis, yes.. and the Nigerian that desperately wants to share £500,000 and just needs your bank details to deposit it for you...and (I assume just chaps but as genuine spam maybe not) all sorts of exclusive and discounted offers for a penis enlargement - (Bill: that Funky Lunchbox has appeared a third time now!).
I don't think it's linked to the economy and a need to make more money necessarily. As I say, no increase per se - but quite prevalent for a few years now in general.
It's funny that you mention Viagra as I have literally just received a joke text from a mate: "Have you seen that they've invented an antidote to Viagra now? It's called WEDDING CAKE." Boom boom, tssshh.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: SpamHas anyone else noticed an exponential increase in spam e-mails. Particularly ones hyping Viagra an Cialis. Perhaps the sinking economy is causing a "drop" in other things. But seriously,since the economy went bad, my spam has more than tripled. Maybe there are people out there needing to raise money more urgently.
A passing observation.
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Posted by:NB
Location: beyond Hope, BC.Subject: Bill M.
Erskine is the name of the cemetery right beside Martin's. (My dad's resting place since 1976). Lorraine M. lived on the same side as Jeanette and not that many doors below her, sort of mid-Fairport as I recall. I knew her pretty well. I knew Jeanette as well. I thought I saw Jeanette from afar once in Vancouver, but couldn't cross the street to confirm it. Don't know if she ended up out here, do you ?
OK, the two N.'s, gotcha. Sorry that got by me. The moving company clue makes me think Susan's last name is Chrisco, but starting with a B and not containing the H. Maybe. As for DB, I've come up with a word -something you do with cloth, dye and wax, very hippyish -not tie-dye, which I'm sure DB wore his share of, but BATIK, except replace the T with an L and possibly the K was a C. Took me a while but phonetically at least, I think I've got it. How'd I do ? NB
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: Bill M : Todd R/ Lindford Christie - for the ladiesTo all guestbook ladies who are track & field event fans:
Rumours that former UK champion Lindford Christie was to record a version of Funky Lunchbox are sadly unfounded!
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: NB
Some years ago we had occasion to visit Vancouver. When we left Olympia WA it was just raining. by the time we got to Vancouver the rain was biblical. The radio said it was the most rain in one day in the weather's recorded history. Don't know if that is true, but I tend to believe it is so. We were however granted a sunny day next, so I felt it evened up.
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Posted by:Bill M
NB: The three involved in the Patti Hearst caper were Denise and Paul N, who you mentioned, and Susan B, whose family had/have? a large moving company. Jeanette A I saw virtually every day of every school year from 1960 to 1973. Lorraine M I also knew pretty well, though I wouldn't have been able to place her house. Erskine I don't recall at all at all. I also don't remember a Jo Ann Boy - just Joanne A from Glendale and Joanne G, daughter of the ghastly principal that my school traded to your school for the wonderful Mr Hop. Tom H, Donnie B and Robin B were all in the MAC class, so that would explain why you don't remember them.
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Posted by:Bill M
RtO: To borrow NB's word, bingo. It was "Black Maria" that started playing in my head when I read the RS article, and I guess it took the trouble to amend the words to suit. "We Got To Get You A Woman" aside, "Something/Anything" is my favourite Todd too, though I picked it up mainly because of Amos on "Funky Lunchbox".
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: Bill M re: Todd R.
Bill, I don't know enough about TR to answer that - I have just the one album from him that I truly love but that does me just fine (Something/Anything?).
Certainly, you could fit "Zachariah" perfectly to "Black Maria" which IS on that very platter!
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Zachariah
Country Joe & the Fish ended up in the role of the outlaw gang called, I kid you not, the Crackers.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: beyond Hope, BCSubject: Illka/Steve/BILL M.
With Koivu meaning "birch", what a relief to learn that Saku DOESN'T mean "John". If it had, the Saku Koivu fan club would just be another, dare I say, "branch" of the John Birch Society ! Yikes !
Bill: I DO recall some Dumbarton girls being stopped in the states for their resemblance to the then-missing Patty Hearst. At least I think I do. I think I knew who they were at the time, but am drawing a blank now with the partial names you gave me. Couldn't dredge up Robin B. either. (Should've bought that damn Spartan yearbook !) Perhaps, you fared no better with the Fairport Rd. names.
Now as for Martin's group, I think this would have been somewhere between Gr. 8 and 10. He was all done with that by the time we hung out together, though I've heard him play guitar and piano solo. The names aren't coming to me, except I think I may get Donnie's last name eventually. Can picture him I think. My sister Jo Ann knew him and Martin in those earlier years, as they were both in the brainy class with all the smarties in Gr. 8 at Frenchman's Bay. I however, was not a member of the "Major Achievement Class", or MAC as it was known, as I was firmly committed to a philosophy of "downward mobility" at that time. NB.
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Posted by:Bill M
RtO: Not at all to your point, but didn't Todd Rundgren do a song either called or about Zachariah? Given Todd's tightness with our guys, maybe Antonioni visited him next?
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Posted by:Landmark
Location: Montreal
Bill, the show was called Les Bourgons.
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: Steve & Bill M (Re: Singing)Steve, I had to laugh at your post regarding JR2's change of career to a matinee idol. New found respect indeed.
Which makes me puzzled at Bill's quotes from the Rolling Stone piece - Zachariah was the worst offer? Couldn't make a movie like that because they had to be bandits then pull the guitars out and sing? Odd, as usually JR2 just LOVES to sing when movie cameras are a-rolling.
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Posted by:Bill M
Ilkka: Regarding "Saku", here's a snippet from the July 9, 1970 issue of Rolling Stone magazine:"[Robbie] Robertson went on to talk about all the offers they had passed up in the last year or so. Besides Woodstock, they had been invited to do the score for three movies - Zabriskie Point, Ned Kelly and Easy Rider - as well as star in a fourth, Zachariah. ... 'The worst offer we had was to star in Zachariah', says Robertson. 'It was a Western where we had to play bandits and go down into the town, rob the bank, then go back up into the hills, pull out our electric guitars and sing. We couldn't make a movie like that.'"
Obviously Robbie felt differently about Antonioni, if not Zabriskie Point. "Antonioni had heard the second Band album and had immediately wanted them for his movie. He went up to see them. Robertson described the scene with Antonioni sweeping into their home dressed in a silk scarf ..." Do you think it was pink?
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: Didn't It Rain/Levon's relevance/TurntablesDidn't it Rain is one of my all time favourite pieces of organ from GH and it is probably fair to say that at the time it must have been the most "black" sounding piece of worship-inspired playing he ever did. Always steeped in Anglican tradition, this is good rollicking gospel like you'd expect from Billy Preston. Most out of character!
I think Levon is as crucial to The Band as any of the others, in fact I have been hauled over the coals for siding with him by the pro-JR2 folk here as readily as anybody else that dares to speak out against JR2. But I have to say I do see some value in some good advice I once received (when the wife and I made plans to fly out from Blighty to see a Ramble) from MORE THAN ONE of the several good folk that post here and also email me directly: in essence, the Ramble is a long way to travel to essentially see a very good example of a straight harmonica-led Chicago style blues band. I'm sure that "Dirt Farmer" has redressed this a little, but you can't help but feel that Levon is at his happiest when playing some good rhythm and blues, no more and no less. Look at the timeline: in his element when he took over the Hawks; left Dylan because the music wasn't for him; fronted a cover of "Key To The Highway" to early MFBP sessions; contributed the almost-a-12-bar "Strawberry Wine" to SF; cites (rightly, don't get me wrong!) Muddy Waters as his TLW highlight; the RCO albums..right up to the very bluesy Rambles. Levon strikes me as a man that likes to set up a good groove and make some music, rather than the naturally creative type like JR2. Now, I'm sure that Levon's peerless and distinctive rhythmic patterns and general no-bullshit Southern persona might well have spoon-fed JR2 an idea or fifty (UOCC always strikes me as a prime example) and this is where the "credit where due" argument comes in - but Levon always strikes me as a man that likes the blues more than writing songs.
You can spend millions on a turntable but isn't it a complete waste of time if you don't have the perfect room with a triangle formed from one listening chair and a pair of speakers..and nothing else in it? My eyes are on a sub-£1000 Michele Gyrodec for later this year. Still a few quid, but not thousands and thousands!!!
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: beyond Hope, British ColumbiaSubject: Didn't It Rain?, I mean, It Didn't Rain ?
Peter: Well I suppose it's at least theoretically possible that you spent ten days in BC without encountering rain. I think I've heard there are a few drier spots located around the province, but they apparently all fall under the umbrella term of something known as "Indoors".
.Q: Do you know how you can tell spring has arrived in BC ? A: The rain is warmer !
Ya, I know all the tourist brochures promise a rain-drenched holiday so what a bummer you got ripped off with all that sun and warmth. Anyway, I'd definitely apply for a refund. I have no doubt you'll be paid out of all the profit the Vancouver Winter Olympics are going to generate !
Oh yes, and you're right of course. The Irish would never be such inhospitable hosts as to deny tourists their much-promised rain. Especially, the second you've dished out well over a hundred Euros for a round of golf on one of their famous links courses, like Lahinch or Ballybunion. That at least was my experience !
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Posted by:Bill M
Steve: I don't recall the show's name, so we'll have to rely on you to provide Illka with a link to that Quebec sitcom en joual about the ultra-hoser family with the prostitute daughter operating out of the downstairs bedroom. (At least I think she charges.) Very funny, even if you can't understand the words (and I don't).
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Posted by:Ilkka (again)
Location: Nordic CountriesSubject: Ice hockey / Saku Koivu
Sorry, can't help myself: "Saku" is the Finnish form of Zacharias and "Koivu" means a tree, a birch. Hope you'll win a pint in a local pub with this (unnecessary) knowledge!
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Expensive Turntables
Believe it or not, there are some more expensive turntables on the market. Continuum, out of Australia, sells a highly rated one in the $100,000 range. Keep in mind, with high-end turntables, the tonearms and cartridges, costing many thousands of dollars more, are packaged separately.
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Posted by:Steve
llKKA, We know Finland because of hockey players like our Montreal Canadiens captain, Saku Koivu. We'd like to get his little brother out of the frozen wasteland of Minnesota and have him play here as well.Bill, Cent pour-cent in agreement about Joni's voice, especially on Both Sides Now, but on other older songs as well.
JQ when Joni was interviewed on CBC radio a couple of years back, she insisted that if they wanted to interview her she might smoke, they bent the rules and she was interviewed and smoked. Nothing came through the radio, luckily.
While The Idiot Bush gets the trophy for helping fuck up the most economies around the world, Robert Mugabe definetly gets the HomeGrown Prize. Zimbabwe is now printing $100,000,000,000.00 dollar bills. They are worth $33.00 US. Inflation doubles the price of everything in the country every 24 hours.
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTSubject: Bob's $64,000 Turntable
That's a pretty nice turntable Bob, but I don't see a USB connection. How's that thing ever going to hook up to my iPod? :-)
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Posted by:Ilkka Jauramo
Location: Nordic CountriesSubject: Cold in Quebec
I enjoyed the post about cold in Quebec. In mid sixties I had a teacher in Geography who always started the classes with political comments - often anti-soviet. He was even more addicted to the political situation in Quebec. I hadn't a clue where this "Quiibeick" was. No one had a clue. Now I have an opportunity to watch Quebecoise TV. Can't get enough. I am fascinated about the local politics and weather reports. Almost like in Finnish countryside.
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Posted by:Bill M
JQ: I've heard Joni Mitchell's modern, husky version of "Both Sides Now" just once, but that was enough to convince me that aging and smoking CAN be good for the voice. The CBC played her early version of the song this morning and it just sounded so chirpy and, I don't know, inauthentic maybe? And I remember the guy next to me in grade 9 math telling me that Dylan's less attractive "Self Portrait" voice was a result of him giving up smoking.
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Posted by:Kristie
Subject: Richard
I think Richard is smoking in the picture(one of my favorites) of The Band in the kitchen of Big Pink. At least I think he is I may have to look again...He probably quit later on though....Wait wasn't he also one of the few who were paid to stop smoking by Ronnie Hawkins in the days of the Hawks? That is a funny story.They start eating raisins and when the raisins start getting squished into the floor of the car, Ronnie paid them to stop eating raisins.
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Posted by:kristie
No problem Nick. Levon is my favorite musician too. I started my day with "Whispering Pines" because I love to hear Levon come in with the harmony. I often wonder how they got that echo on his voice.Westcoaster-The concert is tonight. I look forward to it and will let you know how it is.
Joe J- I like two of the bands you mentioned. Bon Iver made the record in a cabin in Wisconsin in the dead of winter. He had just ended a long term relationship and his father had just died and at times while I was listening to it..I could get a sense of what being stuck in a cabin for four months with only bad memories of a failed relationship and good memories of a lost family member passing would be like. There is a loneliness to that album. Not for everyone though.
I have to separate the music I am listening to now. I listen to 'new" music for an hour everyday and the rest of the day is devoted to "old" music. I made myself stop comparing the two because although you can get a sense of influences, they are just incomparable to me at the end of the day. Yes Black Mountain are influenced by Pink Floyd, but they took that influence and created a new sound that is not like any other "modern" band.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Vern Gosdin
JQ: My vote would go to his "Chiseled In Stone" LP.
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Vern GosdinWestcoaster & David P or anybody else that knows -
What's his definitive record?
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: voices & smokingWas Richard's voice at TLW the real deal or a factory re-do? I thought he sounded great on Shape I'm In; there was a bit of difference on ISBReleased, although that sounded good too, even with all the chatter. And then the SNL deal with Georgia was fine too, wasn't it?
The Broadway singer (still kicking I think) Elaine Stritch has an extra-scratchy & self-verified smoker's voice perfectly suited for certain Sondheim songs.
I read that Joni Mitchell's recent huskiness is from a lifetime of smoking and that, in her more modern role as a diva, she'll smokes anywhere she pleases. I hope Alison Krause doesn't smoke; like Joni M's voice had been, her voice is too fragile for it.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Dim Lights, Thick Smoke...
joe: That is indeed the late great "King of the Strings" Joe Maphis, with his wife Rose Lee, performing in the video. Check out his double-neck guitar, custom built by Semie Moseley of Mosrite fame. Carrying on the family tradition, their son Jody later played drums with the Earl Scruggs Revue.
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My link
All you vinyl lovers....pony up.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Dim Lights
The version I most remember (resently) is Vern Gosdin. Thanks Steve. I'm out the door guys, I got just enough time to get down this island to get supplies, and whip over to Powell River to look at a house I want to buy.
Later!
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Expecting Rain
NB, I would concur over Didn't It Rain. But that reminds me of a grievance. We once spent about ten days in British Columbia and it didn't rain once. Can we get a refund? I reckon it's an advertising standards thing. You get people to come all the way there expecting to be drenched and then it's dry and sunny. The Irish would never deny visitors a spot of rain.
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Posted by:Bill M
Web: My link
Westcoaster / Joe J: The only version I have of "Dim Lights, Thick Smoke" is on Handsome Ned's posthumous 2-CD set - sharing a label with our guys as you can see from the link. The credits on this one add Max Fidler to the Maphises. A fabulous comp., by the way.
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Posted by:joe j
Location: Frozen OceanWeb: My link
Subject: Dim lights...
I checked it out. It's credited to both Joe Maphis or Joe & Rose Lee Maphis. Presumably it's them on the attached video. It's a country standard, no doubt recorded by numerous artists. I remember it by Flatt & Scruggs.
Christ it's cold. Thermometer says only -12C but with this northwest wind gusting up to 70km the wind chill is about -30C. Have to leave the water dripping or else it'll freeze. Building across the street had extensive wind damage night before last. I had their asphalt shingles smacking up against the side of my house. Wonder I never lost a window. In survival mode. Where's my whiskey?
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Posted by:Steve
Hey Leftcoaster, welcome ashore.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Dim Light - Thick Smoke - - Smoke Gets in Your Eyes
I got my gawd damn outfit back around the inside of the island, and not too bad of a trip. There was no wind-wave, as it finally blew itself out mostly. But this time of the year a pretty big ground swell still rolls in from the sou-west constantly. It was livable anyway. Now I'm soon away for another trip farther north.
Just noticed the smoking issue. In the cabarets and bars I used to play in, (I always wore soft contact lens). I'd come home, and take those damn things out, and they would be amber coloured from smoke.
Concerning the vocal problems, as I had quit smoking in 1980, taking a big breath of air when belting out some songs, that smoke was terrible. Concerning, the raspy whiskey voice tho'. I once watched a documentary years ago. Kenny Rogers, and Lee Greenwood attributed a lot of their problem with that rasp of theirs to bad monitor systems and straining and singing too loud to try and hear yourself. I heard Bob Seger say the same thing........so
Dim lights thick smoke, and loud loud music, Is the only kind of life, you'll ever understand.
Dim lights thick smoke, and loud loud music, You'll never be a wife, to a home lovin' man.
Drinkin' and dancin', to a honky tonk band, Is the only kind of life, you'll ever understand.
Go on and have your fun, you think you've acted smart,
I'm sorry for you, and your honky tonk heart.
Who wrote it David? I can't remember.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: imperceptibly beyond Hope, BCSubject: Getting Back To Byrnes / Stevon Tractor
Mucho Garcias Steve, for recounting the CBC interview with one of my main musical men, Jim Byrnes. I could've and actually did tell you months ago that "House of Refuge" was Byrnes' first significant album, when I said he'd always been a very good blues and R&B man but the new gospel-based material put him on a whole new level. You didn't have to wait for Jim to finally figure this out for himself and tell you so on the radio ! All a question of getting the very best match of voice with material, Bon Ami (Wink0, Wink0). Anyway, this new album coming out in April with the gospel Sojourners means MOS, (more of same). Well that's just great news all round, even for GBers as it might even get me to shut up about "Tinderbox" by Fred Eaglesmith. Northern Girl caught the interview too, btw. Anyway, I understood on this new project he'd be with Cookeing with the Soul Stirrers, but nonetheless it's hard to top the Byrnes/Sojourners combo, and I hope this is what Kristie will be hearing live on Monday night at a fundraiser in Vancouver.
It's not just Jim's voice and music that people find Inspirational. It's what he's prevailed over that inspires them too. Jim lost both his legs around the age of twenty. He pulled over to help a stranded motorist and then got hit by another car. Despite that, he's had some succees in music (three Juno awards-Canuck Grammies, movies, TV, animation voice-overs and now you say he's going to have his own radio show, a la Randy Bachman. Well, he might as well succeed in that area as well. And he will too because he's either played with, opened for, or heard play, a vast number of the blues and R&B greats in the last 50 years, so he has a ton of stories and jokes to relate. He has a great speaking voice, is quite the raconteur and like Bachman, is a real student of music. I'd certainly listen to his programme religiously, though I rarely do Bachman's. (Northern Girls calls me if it's blues, R&B or Band-related).
Having all of Jim's CDs, I'd nonetheless say they're certainly all worthwhile. The right blues (or R&B) tune paired with Jim's voice can be powerful, and even the mostly gospel "House of Refuge" has three or so of these. Now he's saying his new album is even better ! There's three songs on "House" I'd have left off so as to be left with a near-perfect 9 song album (less is moe better). But as for bettering the nine "core" songs on Refuge, well, I'm from Missouri ! I doubt if there's a better version of "Didn't It Rain" on the entire planet, for instance. I suspect Peter V. would concur. (You see, it takes a BCer to REALLY sing about rain. That's my theory anyway). Glad you liked "Of Whom Shall I Be Afraid". It is as you said, a great song. NB
PS. Did you hear Bush tell the press corps the other day that over the last eight years, they had seriously "MISunderestimated him". Secondly, wegarding Wome, I was wondering if the weal weason there was no woof on the Coliseum was because of all the High-wanking woemans inside. Am I wight or am I wong ? (Not one I'm going to publically explain if you missed it).
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Posted by:Bill M
I neglected to specify that it's "Where Do We Go From Here" where Rick does the conductor thing with "on the BOARD". It was at the end of the railroad verse, so was perfectly suited.
NB: One of the first bands I ever heard live was Martin's - at practice. Or maybe he wasn't in the band but allowed them to use his parents house and sound system. Anyway, lots of sound came wafting across the fields on summer afternoons. I believe Tom H was the drummer, and perhaps Donnie B was there too. Do you remember when both Ns, along with Susan B, were pulled over in the US because both women looked a lot like the then-missing Patti Hearst? I ended up on the same Sydney-LA flight as Susan in '82; she was living outside Banff at the time.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: A Showman's Life
"A showman's life is a smokey bar
The fevered chase of a tiny star
It's a hotel room and a lonely wife
From what I've seen of a showman's life
Nobody told me about this part
They told me about all the pretty girls and wine
The money and good times
No mention of the wear & tear on an old honky-tonker's heart
Well, I might have known it
But nobody told me about this part
A boy will dream as children do
Of a great white way, 'til the dream comes true
And a phoney smile in a colored light
Is all it is to a showman's life"
(repeat refrain)
--Jesse Winchester (from "A Touch On The Rainy Side" 1978 LP)
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: smoking
Let's not forgot all the second hand smoke at shows up until the late '80's. It is easy to forget how much there was at a concert since all shows have been non-smoking for at least 15 years now. That certainly had to effect performers. Since most rock performers are not professionally trained vocalists, the vocal strain can be severe, even if the performance sounds terrific.
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Posted by:dlew919
Location: Sydney, AustraliaSubject: Luke - Where is Voltaire
I suspect Voltaire is in Adelaide. /n
Hegel is in Brisbane with Marx - Thesis - Germany/Antithesis - Melbourne/ Synthesis - Brisbane.../n
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Posted by:Friend0
Nick, just to clarify, I believe you are discussing Levon's musical and cultural relevancy. If I'm wrong or missing some kinds of relevancy, please make the corrections or additions so we can stay on base here.I've said it before and I'll say it again, that voice manages to encapsculate and characterize many decades worth of American music and culture. Singing talkin, it don't matter. Through his work with The Band, Levon became the least well known Amercian cultural icon ever. But an icon he is, in a almost mythical yet legendary way. Of course there was a lot more to it, but the two songs that mostly did the trick, were The Weight, and Cripple Creek. While you can't seprarte his persona and his voice, his voice did the job, his persona did the effortless, uneffected and absolutely unpremeditated public relations work back in the day. Levon being musically and culturally relevant just fucking happened as a result of who he was and him being a gawd damn natural born lot of things. And one of those things is salesman. which is not a bad thing. but levon is naturally polite, charismatic, and knows how to say the right thing at the right time, less he's about to blow a cork. But he is capable of high diplomacy as well. All that, and his buddys Robbie & Marty promoting him in The Last waltz, well, we know the rest of the story.
And again, no offense meant,only my gut feeling, but if it weren't for him becoming a musician, and he stayed in The Delta, Levon woulda had the biggest John Deere tractor dealership in Arkansas.
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Posted by:Steve
I don't think I've ever seen Richard smoking but then again he wasn't given a lot of camera time. He and Garth would be considered at least two pack a day smokers just by being in Big Pink with Levon, and the others.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Jesse Winchester
Jesse Winchester is a featured guest on Bob Edwards' XM radio program today.
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Posted by:Mike
Web: My link
Just rec'd a copy of Chris Bergson Band's "Fall Changes" album & its a great sound, including a cool rendition of "When I Paint My Masterpiece." It includes Jay Collins, Amy Helm, Tony Leone & Bruce Katz & is another great recording by the man behind the scenes, Justin Guip, of Levon's studio.
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Posted by:Brien Sz
Did Richard smoke? Smoking can give your voice a rougher sound, especially when pushing your vocal ranges upper limits.
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Posted by:joe j
Subject: Album of the yearWell, at least a candidate for album NAME of the year. I was scrolling through a couple year end lists and found mention of a release by Grouper, 'Dragging a Dead Deer Up A Hill'.
Same critic was a fan of Abe Vigoda, Boston Spaceships and British Sea Power. These would all be artists. No, I've heard none of them. I've come to realize I'm completely out of touch with modern trends and really don't give a shit. The artist, Bon Iver, tops many year end lists. I HAVE heard him but he doesn't do a thing for me. Pleasant background music.
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Posted by:Steve
This detailed discussion about why Richard's voice sounded tough at times; all that singing on the cusp where you enter the land of falsetto, made me wonder if that's what ruined J2Rs voice as well. Poor bastard, no wonder he wanted to change careers and become a matinee idol. I have new respect for the man.I heard Levon and Rick and Garth promo Jericho on CBC radio at the time on a program called Morning Side.
It was great because the guy interviewing them, Peter Gzowski, had been a regular at their bar shows in Toronto in the 60's and knew them well.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: sydney
Thanks, dlew. I thought you were in Sydney. I don't know where 'Brisbane' came from - it just came to me! I think either it or Adelaide should officially be designated Voltaire's final resting place, though. Your call.
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Posted by:dlew919
Subject: LukeI'm in Sydney - the Harbour Bridge, the Opera House, the decent weather, the hideous expense...
But it's STILL better than Brisbane ;-)
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Posted by:The Pickerin' Hick
Subject: Bill M. (no musical content)I thought you'd probably at least know of Martin H. but hey, that was a real BINGO. Martin and I hung out in late high school and lived together in third-year university. He was at York, while I was at U of T. He broadened my musical horizons considerably. Dr. H. had a truly kick-ass stereo sytem for all his Mahler and Wagner, I guess, and Marty played a lot of contemporary but not maintstream stuff for me. I think I got the "top-down cruisin' music" bug from Martin too, what with his endless stream of sports cars.
Now, if you didn't live along Finch near Erskine, then I'm Sherlocking upper Fairport Rd. near Denise and Paul N. on the west side or Jeanette A. and Lorraine M. on the east. Of course, in yours and Martin's early Kindertotenleiderhosen days, I think the H. family initially lived down in Dumbarton village, so maybe you lived closer to Ellen McG. Am I getting warm ? (Likewise, the good doctor delivered one of my brothers). NB
PS. I was awaiting Kristie's verdict on "Tinderbox", but was not at all surprised by her double-great rating ! Another convert Bill !
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Posted by:Blue Blue Moon
http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/rocksbackpages/520 The Band's "It Makes No Difference" appears as no. 19 on the most heartbreaking songs of all time list.
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Posted by:Serenity
Subject: Dear Norbert.You are welcome, and I'm glad you liked the card.
I gather you and your family also had a good holiday.
I loved the video. Nice song by Eddie Vedder and looks like a nice movie.
Thanks for everything
xoxoxox
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Posted by:Bonk
Location: bc
For freaking shits sake. Would you guys stop it! Roz was just stating what she believed went down at the time. She loves Levon just like the rest of us. She just doesn't look through rose colored glasses like some of us do. After Richard passed the boys weren't that popular anymore. So what. The music they made would last forever. And that's not any kind of dig. Two of them were gone (Robbie and Richard) So how the hell do you keep going.Well they did keep going. Just not selling out Maple Leaf Gardens anymore. More like sellling out the oft stated lounges. I think that this is what Roz was trying to say. That it had been so long since they were a major player that it took Levon to do some major cat dancing to get Jerico some air time. I gotta tell you, after Richards passing,I totally lost track of what was going with the rest of the Band.They just weren't there anymore. The last time I seen Levon and Rick was in 1989 at the CNE in Toronto with Ringo's band. It was like, where the hell have you guys been. They totally rocked.
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: Endless Highway
Richard or Rick, the song is still great, but the superior version in the end, might be the one from Before The Flood because of Robbie's solo. I love it the most. But, honestly, if I had to choose, Richard should have sang this, his voice on the Cahoots Remaster is one of the best things ever.
But nonetheless, I have a feeling Rick's voice was in better shape for this song for a live version (as we recently noted, in Richard's later years, his voice tended to be very rough for live shows)..
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By the way, am I mistaken, but did I read that Levon temporarily attended Berkley. If so, I see it in records following "The Band", his playing is much more intricate, especially on Cahoots.
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Posted by:Nick
Thanks Carol. And thanks for that interesting promo info as well. Sorry Kristie, I really did appear as a bit of a put down and especially way, way off base. Also, I think it's up to Ros to clarify that.I think Levon is one of the great musicians ever and I just don't think people should go around mischaracterizing his relevancy, at any time in his career, especially on a Band guestbook.
that's an insult. thanks and sorry to seem harsh. As a big fan I didn't want to let that comment go.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: ohWell sorry Nick. All that time in the mountains makes my memory a little foggy.
On another note I will be driving through Woodstock at the end of October(and hope to go to a ramble if there is one at the time)and then I will be heading down to Tennessee, Oklahoma and through to Colorado, Utah and Idaho. I have a few things planned but wonder if anyone can give me advice on musical things to do. I obviously am going to Memphis and Nashville. And I want to go to Woody Guthrie's hometown Okemah. Anybody have any ideas or advice for me? I have been wanting to do this since I was a kid. I also may go to Levon's hometown Elaine(is it Elaine?).
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Posted by:Carol
Subject: KristieHi Kristie--Nick is not new here. He has been around for many years, has seen The Band many times, has followed Levon's career and, beyond that, he is a very good (and nice :-) guy.
I still don't understand why it matters what promo was done first, when it was all at around the same time. Also, the statement "Probably the only one he could get at that time" has been proven to be erroneous, since at least six solid months of national and international promotion was done and Conan was just one of many, many, many placements.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: Nick
I think that is a bit harsh Nick. I am sure Roz didn't mean to insult Levon. Everybody loves Levon in the Gb.Are you new here, or just an old poster who hasn't been around much? If you are new that is not a very nice Introduction.
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Posted by:Nick
Ros, Nobody said it wasn't the first promo appearance, although that isn't definitive nor does it matter, the talk show circuit is usually booked well in advance by the way. The contention was with the, once again, asinine comment, that it was "Probably the only one he could get at that time". Which you are totally wrong on.
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Posted by:rosalind
I remember that "We can't let one monkey stop a show now, can we? CNN deal. Yeah..
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Posted by:rosalind
So, I was Right!
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Posted by:Carol
Subject: Levon/The Band/promotionJericho was released in Canada on October 29 and in the US on November 2. There were a few days of Canadian press at the end of October--Levon and Garth went to Toronto on the 26th and Rick joined them the following day, because he had been on a short tour with DFA and flew not from Woodstock, but from Santa Fe.
You may be right that Conan was the first national network TV show to promote Jericho; I am not 100% positive. But it was far from the only show or promotion. They pretty much hit all major network TV (including the Today Show), plus CNN and HBO entertainment reports.
The Band did a lot of press in New York during the first week of November, immediately followed by a major-market book tour that Levon did, hitting up New York, Boston, Nashville, LA, San Francisco, etc. In each of those cities, there were telephone and in-person interviews for print, radio, and TV, as well as in-store appearances/signings.
As is the case with all well-implemented media/promotional campaigns for albums or books, there were several phases in the promotion and publicity for Jericho, TWOF, and DFA, too. There is a gear-up or pre-publicity phase, active promotion (which usually lasts 2 to 6 months, and is sometimes built around a tour--in The Band's case, there were tour dates, but also their induction into the RRHOF, which coincided with this phase), and a maintenance phase, which is a little longer. The Band did all of them.
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Posted by:Carol
Subject: Levon's Conan Appearance
Monday, November 1, 1993
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: Jeff
I suppose pissing on a PC person's shoe will have to do, yes. Given that the far more deserved measure of setting a fire in their flesh has all kinds of legal issues....
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: hmmm
Not sure how my email address got there. Nobody spam me!
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: dlew/billmDlew -Black Mountain is coming to Australia and I am not sure where you are located, but they are one of the best live bands I have ever seen(and I have seen a lot of bands). Check them out if you get a chance. They do not disappoint. I am going to see them again in California when I head down there to visit family. They are playing with the Sadies in California(another great live band).
Bill M- Tinderbox is great. Eaglesmith is a really great lyricist. There is a really timeless quality I admire in his songwriting. Thanks once again for the recommendation. I hope to see him live soon.
Roz-Sorry don't know the answer to your question, but do you know if footage of Levon on Conan exists?
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Posted by:kristiekline@hotmail.com
Subject: dlew/billmDlew -Black Mountain is coming to Australia and I am not sure where you are located, but they are one of the best live bands I have ever seen(and I have seen a lot of bands). Check them out if you get a chance. They do not disappoint. I am going to see them again in California when I head down there to visit family. They are playing with the Sadies in California(another great live band).
Bill M- Tinderbox is great. Eaglesmith is a really great lyricist. There is a really timeless quality I admire in his songwriting. Thanks once again for the recommendation. I hope to see him live soon.
Roz-Sorry don't know the answer to your question, but do you know if footage of Levon on Conan exists?
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: beanz meanz... something
Peter, the beanburger is the killer in your time warp description. The lank hair... the hundreds of books on witchcraft... all fine. But the beanburger!
I have a sneaking respect for people who retain the hairdo of their youth into their dotage. The thinning DA is fading away with the generation that maintained it with such diligence, but I always find it a stirring sight.
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Posted by:rosalind
I can only speak for American promotion. I don't know what happened in Canada. I remember sitting there and seeing Levon for the first time in decades talking to Conan about The Band's Brand New Release with the Big Pink House on the cover, going over and playing Short Fat Fannie with the house band, coming back and speaking a little more and Conan holding "This Wheel's On fire" in one hand and the Jericho CD in the other.Surely somebody knows the exact date that show aired. RIGHT? That's all I asked
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Posted by:rosalind
Actually the key words in my original post were "I Think"
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Posted by:Carol
Subject: Jericho promotion/Levon/Nick you're rightI have many media updates and reports from the Jericho era, including a 30-plus page report (I know I've mentioned it) detailing some of the promotion The Band did for the initial active phase of promotion/PR for Jericho and that Levon did for the book (he did book promo, BTW, in addition to The Band's promotion for the record). The promotion and publicity campaigns were very high-level in the US and Canada and included not only both Letterman and Leno, but also major national network morning programs, syndicated radio (both commercial and public) interviews and appearances, satellite tours, promotional appearances, time-buys, radio and print co-op ads, etc.
There was lots of well planned, strategic cross-promotion with Jericho, DFA, This Wheel's On Fire, and all of The Band members' individual projects. There were constant interview requests.
Levon was very much in demand at that time and I don't think he had any problem getting media coverage in any type of outlet. Despite what some would like to postulate, there was lots of excitement in the media and in the music industry when the album was released. Anyone interested in doing a clip search could easily contact Burrelle's.
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Posted by:rosalind
So, Nick, You having those dates as you do, you probably know what date he was on O"Brien, right? Why not write that one down? The key word in my original post was "probably" but you "probably" just missed that word when you read it, huh? Forget the rest of it. Everybody already knows the truth
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Posted by:Peter V
Luke … just had a look. I must have that somewhere. I certainly remember it.
I visited Glastonbury today. Phew. If you can imagine doing a Rip Van Winkle in 1969 and waking up 40 years later. The clothes are exactly the same, but everyone inside them's got so old. Frightening. Teenage kids should be bussed there and told, "Look, kids, if you do drugs, you'll end up in forty years time with long thin lank grey hair sitting in a shop selling hundreds of books on witchcraft and druids while listening to the worst new age music ever recorded while eating a beanburger."
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Posted by:Bill M
Charlie Y: You must be kidding. What chance would they have, what with Steve's entire stand of maples shooting at them? (Would've been even worse if he hadn't cleared out the ones in the centre of the woodlot for his 'plantation'.)
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Posted by:Nick
Ros, First "Do you remember which one of the promo spots came first? That's a legitimate question?" isn't what you wrote. This is what you wrote:He did the Conan O'Brien show at least once... Probably the only one he could get at that time.
Second, if "The Band were all but totally forgotten when Jericho came out" as you say... then why did they do Letterman and Leno within a few months of it's release?
Date: 12/14/93 Performer: Band Location: New York, NY Ed Sullivan Theater Source/Quality/Length: TV/EX/5 Note: Letterman. 'Atlantic City' Song list: Atlantic City
Date: 2/22/94
Performer: Band
Location: Los Angeles, CA NBC Studios
Source/Quality/Length: TV/EX/5
Note: Tonight Show. 'Remedy'
Song list:
Remedy
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Subject: Blaming Canada?
I hope early news reports are true that nobody was killed when a big US Airways jet landed in the Hudson River today. But one reporter placed possible blame on a flock of Canada geese. I hope it's too late for Bush to invade Canada as his final act in office.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: Who's Nick and What Does He Have Against Me?Do you remember which one of the promo spots came first? That's a legitimate question. Considering that The Band were all but totally forgotten when Jericho came out, Conan wasn't such a bad first promo. I just assumed that Conan picked him up cause he was more of an unknown than say Celine Dion.. and cheaper too
Was it the first televised promotion of Jericho or wasn't it? And what does Ann Coulter have to do with my statement?
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Posted by:Steve
Bill I think the "yacht" might have to be rechristened the Leftcoaster pretty soon.
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Posted by:Nick
I read the asinine satement about "the only promo spot he could get at that time". The Band played the tonight show with Jay Leno and Letterman as well when they promoted Jericho. They also did Rockline and other in studio stuff plus many festivals and a tour. Ros why don't you head over to the Ann coulter page. It suits you to a tee.
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Posted by:Bill M
I think this business about Westcoaster being a socialist results from a simple misunderstanding. When he said he wanted a bail-out, he meant it literally, having once again rammed his yacht into the pointy end of a log.
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Posted by:Friend0
Steve, infiltrating is the word I was looking for. Maybe Westo is just infiltrating the Vancouver Isles Socialists? I'd be willing to give Westo the benefit of the doubt on this one. If he's been palling around with Socialists, he's up to something. Not a real socialist.
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Posted by:Friend0
Peter M, send a smoke signal and I'll buy you and your nephew a beer before or at the show. It's a safe bet that if Joe is there he'll pop for espresso after the show.Rob, i think the use of alliteration (proper term?) makes the slogan seeminlgy less shitty. Plus for the literal or vivid minded, the execution and required hygienic practices are easier to deal with.
And, once again, for the literal, pissing on a PC person's shoe is good enough.
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: That Ain't A knife, This is a knifeOK, substitute cold for knife. Charlie it was -38 Celsius,-37F this morning here and with that little breeze that was tickling my chin on the way to the barn the windchill brought the temp down to a cozy -44 OUCH!!!!! At -40 your forehead ( at least mine) starts to ache.
When it gets that cold hardwood trees sometimes crack\explode and split open and can sound like a small caliber gun shot. It happened this morning as I was walking to the barn around 5:30 in the dark. It scares the shit out of you for a second.It's perfectly quiet at that time( well actually most of the time around here)then BANG. It's warmed up considerably now, mid afternoon, it's -25.
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Posted by:Bill M
NB: Thanks for the Vasey video. I saw her with Downchild a couple of times, including upstairs at the ElMo. Maybe the same show. Anyway, on drums behind her was Wayne Wilson, who I saw playing bongoes behind a folkie at a coffeeshop in Victoria maybe four years ago. He has an interesting walk-on part in Greg Godovitz's funny and illuminating book, "Travels with my Amp", which talks about his very young days watching the Hawks play at a Yonge Street bar where his mother was a waitress. (His mother even bought him Rick's Traynor amp.) The hornists and bassist I don't recognise at all. The vibist was jazz notable Peter Appleyard, whose TV show that clip was taken from, presumably.Know Martin H! He was a close friend in kindergarten, he lived just down the road, and his father delivered me. He and brother Andy were the only two people I've ever seen wearing lederhosen in real life. Father Fritz, a Quaker who drove his VW way too fast, even had an unsuccessful run-in with a drunken Angus cow that wandered off our property and onto the road - high on fermented apples! Note to RtO: it's not just drugs that kids have to avoid.
Re meetings with Pickeringers, the last one I remember was when I was living in England in '84 and went to see the movie of "La Traviata" in Cambridge with your grade 7/8 classmate, and Martin's and my kindergarten classmate, Robin B.
Back to Downchild. Jane Vasey's place was taken by Michael Fonfara (ex Rhinoceros, Lou Reed, Rough Trade), who is still there, 15 years later. As you know, the guy she left for bandleader Donnie Walsh was saxman Dave Woodward, who moved to Toronto after spending time with Butterfield. After Downchild he moved to the west coast and was part of the Powder Blues Band in their heyday.
Listening to "Cahoots" again, what struck me this time was how Rick cleverly echoes the traditional "all aBOARD" call when he sings "on the BOARD".
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Posted by:RtO
Location: On a mobile phone doing this on a poxy little screenSubject: Endless Highway
I think Richard definitely sang it better than Rick but the arrangement on that version sounds like a pub band had spent about five minutes on it. Now, if Richard had sang a take when the final format had been devised. . .that would have been the one!
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: cahoots rebootAri, 'Endless Highway' suits Richard down to a tee (in the same way that many songs suit Rick), and the performance on the Cahoots outtakes is sensational. It's such a shame it didn't go on the album, but eh, who cares, maybe remastering means that the fans win out in the end!
Peter, do you remember I sent you ages ago a little piece about a new sequencing for Cahoots? Can you remember if I ever posted the track listing up here?! No reason why you should...
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Posted by:RtO
Location: On a mobile phone doing this on a poxy little screen
Jeff, I like the slogan. Do you think the first word reflects the best 'end'?
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Posted by:Peter M.
Location: by the Turtle pondSubject: Jimmy V.
Jeff & Joe, I have to agree with most of your comments about Jimmy's deft contribution to Levon's and many others' music. I've seen him at many NYC & NY state shows and he's just brilliant. I took my 21 year old nephew the Jan 10th Ramble (second Ramble for him). He's also seen him at a Howlin' for Hubert show at BB Kings. Each time the kid is knocked out by what a subtle bandleader Jimmy is. An additional treat was seeing James Wormworth on drums with them during much of Hubert's portion of the show. We made a 400 mile round trip in bitter, snowy conditions, and we are both looking forward to doing it again. We're also hoping to catch the Black Italians before Jimmy and company "loads up the truck and moves to Beverly... Hills, that is... swimmin' pools... movie stars".
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Posted by:Joe
Subject: Van the Man
Van Morrison at the Wamu Theater in Madison Square Garden Feb. 27th & 28th 2009
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Posted by:Friend0
Years ago Jimmy did get some great guest performers on. That the house band backed. Joe's right. Doesn't seem to happen anymore. If it does, I sure never heard about it.
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Posted by:rosalind
He did the Conan O'Brien show at least once. I remember him going on there to promote Jericho and his Book. Conan had'em layed side by side on his desk and at the end of the segment held them up toward the camera with a smile. Levon looked ... satisfied. I think it was his first promotion spot. Probably the only one he could get at that time.
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Posted by:Joe
Subject: P.S.
The Conan Show doesn't seem to have any known name musical guest performing. Their norm is some up and coming no names most of which I personally don't care for. My point is I doubt you'd see the Levon Helm Band or Levon Helm ever on that show. Just my opinion.
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Posted by:Norbert
Web: My linkSubject: Serenity
Dear Serenity,
Thanks a lot for the beautiful e-card, all the best wishes for you!
Please click the link (YouTube), it's Eddy Vedder's song Society about Christopher McCandless fatal hike to Alaska, from the movie Into The Wild.
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Posted by:Joe
Dave P. For the last 4 years or so Vivino has been playing at the Ramble's with Helm and has been a friend of his for much longer. He hasn't done the Conan Show while it's been in NYC and I doubt you'd see Helm make the trip to the west coast solely for an appearence now. The only possibility that I can see is if a "Ramble On The Road" tour took him out that way some day. Helm doesn't like to fly commercially,he will fly by private jet, and he'll drive just about anywhere and does. Of course the size of the pay day is always a factor.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Subject: 1969
1969 was a big year in the history of The Band, and a big year in general. The anniversaries of the moon landing and Woodstock music and arts festival are already getting a lot of attention, but another quiet anniversary this fall is the one which helped pave the way for Barack Obama: SESAME STREET.
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Posted by:Friend0
whoops, I meant Steve got me worried with the Socialist Allegation. No need for anyone to take a reading comprehension course over my lack of brain to finger synapse fucntion. Of course many of you probably describe all my posting that way.
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Posted by:Friend0
Rob, do you approve of this slogan?Piss On The PC
You can handle the bus & banner brigade in the UK, I'll run NE USA. Bonk can handle Pacific NW Canada. I was thinking of offering it to old Norm, but you got me worried now with that Socialist allegation. I imagine Socialists run the gamut of the PC spectrum like any one else, but if what you wrote is correct, then old Norm just ain't norm for himself no more.
Maybe he's just consorting with Socialists? If that's the case, Westo's gonna get em somehow. Those socialists are in for a surprise.
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Posted by:Friend0
David, the offer would likely be there, but Levon still ain't wearing his old wings. I would think he'd have to embark on a cross country tour to take the appearance. Ron, how;s this for
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Location: Down in Old VirginnySubject: California
Steve Allen started in New York and wound up in California, Johnny Carson started in New York and wound up in California...and I could go on. It is a late-night TV tradition. Overall, though, I'd rather be burned in Canada than to freeze here in the South! The cold here in Virginia right now is the worst in fifteen years!
Speaking of California, though, it's interesting that the population of that great state is actually on the decline for the first time in GENERATIONS. Are they all moving to Canada? The population of California is still more that the great nation to the north as of early 2009, but that could change.
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Posted by:David P.
Friend0: On the positive side, maybe Levon will be booked to appear on Conan's show when he takes over at the new time slot in LA. As musical co-director, along with Max Weinberg, and arranger for the MW7, Jimmy Vivino is no doubt an indispensable member of that band also.Interesting to note that Phil Lesh will be touring with the rest of the members of the Dead in April and May. They've tapped Warren Haynes from the Allman Brothers & Gov't Mule for guitar & vocals. Things could have been worse for Levon's band if they'd chosen Larry Campbell.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: I did it highway
dlew, I so nearly typed Adelaide! Where are you based?
I think Ari is referring to the Richard cut of Endless Highway that is an out-take on the Cahoots remaster? That's the one I know..
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Posted by:dlew919
Subject: Luke M; AriLuke - Brisbane? That's only reserved for people like Adi Amin and Saddam Hussein - Voltaire's a little higher up the scale than that: maybe Adelaide ;-)
Ari - I only have the Best of AMH, but I could swear it's Rick singing Endless Highway - or am I on crack, or listening to a different version, or just a blithering idiot? (All three may well apply - probably not the crack...)
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Posted by:Steve
JQ, 5 dogs? We've top out at 3 dogs and currently have two large ones.
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Posted by:Serenity
Subject: Whoops!!Sorry, looks like I forgot something.
Run-DMC (Frank Micelotta/ ImageDirect)
Influential metal act Metallica and groundbreaking hip-hop group Run-DMC headline the 2009 class of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees, which were announced Wednesday (January 14) at a press conference in New York.
Guitar great Jeff Beck, singer/songwriter Bobby Womack, doo-wop heavyweights Little Anthony & the Imperials and pioneering country artist Wanda Jackson were also tapped to be enshrined at this year's ceremony, which will take place April 4 at the historic Public Hall in Cleveland.
Since being founded in 1983, the Rock Hall has been criticized for being slow to recognize some bands and genres, but the induction of Metallica and Run-DMC (plus that of acts like Black Sabbath and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five in recent years) seems to indicate that is changing.
Sweet Dreams all xoxoxo
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Posted by:Serenity
Subject: R&R Hall Of FameHi you all. Thought you may be interested in a bit of the new inductees.
I love Richard's voice. So happy that we can hear him at anytime, if we have THE BAND's music.
Until next time LOVE AND PEACE XOXOXOXO
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Posted by:Friend0
Joe, we absolutely agree on many points on the subject. As you say, what the Conan band plays on air does not represent the band. Havign seen all those guys numerous times, it is one of the things that stick out when i;ve caught a bit of the show. Good friends of mine that have attended tapings have told me that the band does kick ass ont he breaks, but it doesn't make tv.The first timeIcaught a solo Johnnie Johnson show the Conan band with James Wormworth on drums,not Max, backed him up. evry Johnnie Johnson show I saw in NY the core band was Jimmy, Mike and James. Other players were usually Jerry vivino, Fred Walcott, sometimes Brian Mitchell on organ.
Jimmy is irreplaceable. Without exaggerating, it is very reasonable for me to say that Jimmy has particpated in 10% of the shows I;ve seen in NY state since 1985
The effect on The Ramble, well, You'd know that one a lot better than I, I;ve only been to 2. As you say, Larry is an incredible talent.
Levon could always offer to match what the Conan gig pays :-). levon don't need me for ideas, but when Larry is out with Phil or someone,there's a gap there. Guitar players will be fallign over themselves for that job.
A songwriting team may be the thing to fill the spaces.
Some good original songs might be just the trick.
Goddam L.A. gonna have BLondie and Jimmy both now.
I can't fault these guys for keepign the job. They need to
support themsleves & their families likethe next guy does.
In today's music economy, in today;s economy,l it woudl be masochistic.
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Posted by:Ari
Subject: Richard's voice
I'm glad somebody brought up a new discussion regarding Richard's voice because I think his voice is the greatest instrument I've ever heard. It's so rare, it's like meeting a person who can play the glass harmonica - so unique. It's my favorite voice, but it's really upsetting to me that he doesn't sound like himself at Last Waltz because now only us Band fans will truly understand him and his voice.
I wanted to mention that although I think Endless Highway from Before the Flood is amazing (with Robbie's best solo on a Strat and Rick's vocals), I can't help but saying that the Endless Highway with Richard singing might be in his top 3 vocals. Just wanted to bring that up...
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: steve's question
Dlew, did he end up in Brisbane?
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Dogs, chickens & Ry CSteve -
I'd reckon we're just blessed with the dog & chicken communal bliss we have here. Plus the geriatric cat sleeps among & on top of the 5 dogs too. With all this love abounding I feel like St Francis of Assisi sometimes. Except our horses are assholes.
Ry Cooder is currently or just about to be touring with Nick Lowe in Europe. That would be a good one to be sure. As you work through Ry's catalog you'll find him, Nick Lowe & John Hiatt together on 2 very good and one decent record, these from the late 80's/early 90's: John Hiatt's Bring the Family, Nick Lowe's Party of One and then the Little Village record. Ry Cooder did some shows last year with Nick Lowe so maybe Little Village might happen again, I hope so. Jim Keltner was the drummer in that outfit and on those records too.
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Posted by:Steve
JQ, I'll add surrealism to minimalistic when I now here Glass music. By the by, did my response to your question last week concerning dog vs chicken come close to being the kind of response you were looking for?Almost three weeks in and I'm still playing Ry. Where has he been all my life? It's because of people like him I don't have enough music time for lots of new music.
Dlew, any word yet on where Monsieur Voltaire ended up after his demise?
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Posted by:dlew
Subject: heaven must be tonight
it is said that when voltaire was receiving the last rites and the priest asked 'do yoi renounce satan and his works' voltaire replied 'this is no time to be making enemies' in reference to the humanist society thread.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: richard vocals, psychedelic babyAdam, great post on Richard's voice, I would add (as I have before) his performance on 'Right as Rain' from around TLW (was it even recorded even after?). I still haven't got the TLW box set. The whole project is tainted for me. You can hear on the Lost Waltz that Richard's voice is fair to good early on, and for a project that was no stranger to the overdub to favour some of the average guest material that makes it onto the final cut over one more lead vocal from Richard is a bit poor. The same (I would like to think unintentional) bias is apparent on Rock of Ages - his voice was in great shape in 1971, as a listen to Cahoots will confirm. It's worth it folks, play it LOUD like Instant Karma.
But as I've also said before, Richard went on singing the wrong songs for too long. If you try singing those early Band songs, the vocal strain is enormous. A lot of it is pitched high, a lot is on the cusp of falsetto or right in it, these are very hard areas for singers to control at the best of times. And his singing voice (like his spoken voice) went very deep, the best way to hear his range is on the Rumour, a stunning and very natural performance. So I think you can add to the Grand Marnier et al the difficulty of the songs. On the Whispering Pines set, he starts out in great voice on Grow Too Old (which Peter suggests might have been a good overdub choice for the Band in later years) but falters on the old high pitched Band standards. The Bandards. Since we're on the subject, one of my favourite Richard vocals is The Great Pretender, I used to mind the little blip towards the end but now I love it even more. It's stunning. It sounds like they got the three songs they could get from him on that album, is he even playing on the outtakes? The outtakes become the Levon show, his drumming on MM is just amazing. For such a high-risk singer, Richard's studio performances are amazingly consistent. But then again the difficulty in the vocals is deliberate - all three bands singers tear it up in different ways, no half measures.
David, those 180gm records sound good enough to eat. We were born before the CD... and magnificently we will float... into the plastic.
Rob, Peter and more, I think a good example of psychedelia in action (and not in a good way) is the lull between Gene Clark's Byrds work and his first Dillard & Clark expedition. Songs like 'So You Say You Lost Your Baby' and 'The French Girl.'
I've always felt that Ophelia belongs to a small group of 20's inspired songs, a mainly UK-based psub-compartment of psychedelia that includes Cream's first single, most of what Ray Davies did in 1966 and rather a lot of Paul McCartney.
Wheels on Fire is pretty psychedelic, though it's impossible to hear it without thinking of Absolutely Fabulous.
Martin Sharp's cover for Disraeli Gears... the sound of Love... hey, what about the Temptations on Puzzle People... Stoned Soul Picnic... Isaac Hayes... Hyperbolicsyllabicsesquedalymistic... yeah baby, yeah!
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Drugs of choice & psychedelic vs surrealisticThere's loads of references to The Band member's drug abuse but I don't recall any mention of psychedelics in their list. They were more booze, smack & speed fans I think.
I'm not certain I know the difference between psychedelia & surrealism - are they the same thing? Maybe Philip Glass' music would be surreal but not psychedelic?
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Posted by:Peter V
RTO: You're in good hands. I would rate Jorma as the definitive guitar player in the genre.
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: Peter (Psychedelic music)/Joan (Pomeroy)Peter - I agree 100% but if you look back I'm sure I said that many people's definitions of Psychedelic music will vary. What I said was that MY usage of it tended to refer to that sort of music. But you're absolutely right: "Green Tambourine" is as psychedelic as the full-length fuzztone excursion album version of the Chambers Brothers "Time Has Come Today" or even a '69-era Dead "Dark Star".
Some people insist that psychedelic music has to genuinely be recorded under the influence of hallucinogens; this would imply that 5 guys off their cakes on STP that somehow manage to play, say, perfect straight Chicago blues would be deemed psychedelic but 5 straight session guys recording a tune that talks about mushroom-shaped spacecraft, with wall to wall sitars, Farfisa organ and phasing would not; it's a tricky issue that concerns the type of people making the umusic as much as the music itself! I reckon that is why everbody has their own interpretation - but certainly for myself (e.g. in a rehearsal or at a gig) if I say "Let's get a little psychedelic" I tend to mean "Let's stretch it out and let it go where it will". But that's just me!
Of course, some also have to have a paisley-patterned album cover with Rick Griffin lettering before they consider music to be psychedelic!
Joan - I don't think Mrs RtO will stomach Pomeroy for a fortnight. I'll have to keep on with Jorma's online and email based guitar tuition. Oh well - at least I'm studying the guitar under the tutelage of JK at all!
She has come around to glancing idly at the Railway Modeller, however, so not all doom and gloom...
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: RTO/NBRTO, if Mrs RTO likes beautiful scenery and long walks in it, she will like Pomeroy. However there is not a lot else there. My best friend had a farm/commune in the 70's in Harrison (about 5 miles from Pomeroy) If you went to town on a Saturday night, there were 2 roads that ran parallel to the Ohio River. One stop light, and the kids just drove around in circles Also there was a Dairy Queen stand. (this was before $4 a gallon gas)
NB, Jane Vasey and Down Child BB Great!
This is why I stick around here. My music experience just expands exponentially.
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Posted by:Steve
Web: My link
If you'd like to vote for the 49 songs that will be handed to Obama on a blackberry representing Canada through music, here's the site. I voted for the first song on the list, of course.
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Posted by:Adam
I am listening to the Last Waltz rehearsal of King Harvest right now. Simply amazing. The way he sings the line "and it's plain to see I've nothing to show"... sent shivers down my spine.
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Posted by:Adam
Subject: Richard's 1976 voiceLately I have been fascinated by Richard's vocals from the late period of the group (1974-1976). Though his voice was in fine form when recording (as the '75 Basement Tapes recordings and NLSC prove), his lifestyle on the road really made his voice gruff and raw when playing live. I've always been harsh about his live singing from '76, but some of the performances are great. While his voice was a far cry from the early years, he used what he had to great effect. He knew that his voice was failing, but made up for it with passion and power. I believe Levon describes this same thing in his book, when he mentions the way Richard could still spit out the lyrics with a "biblical fervor".
Essential tracks for this period of Richard's voice would include, of course, the Last Waltz performances of The Shape I'm In and Tura Lura Lural, the rehearsal of King Harvest from TLW box set, Tears of Rage from the '76 King Biscuit show, and Georgia from SNL.
It's amazing what the performances reveal just from Richard's gruff voice. While the '76 Tears of Rage can't compare with the '69 Woodstock performance, the pain and struggle in his voice makes the song seem all the more desperate. The same goes for TLW rehearsal of King Harvest. Never has the sharecropper's plea sounded so raw and intense. It is such a shame that Richard's voice gave out during this song at TLW, because if he gave the same quality performance he did in the rehearsal, I am certain it would have been THE highlight of the film. The performance of The Shape I'm In from TLW has been praised many times and speaks for itself.
It's a shame the group had to cut songs in the live sets to lighten the load for Richard, but the songs he did get, he performed with great passion. This is now one of my favorite periods for my favorite singer, the great Richard Manuel.
(I forgot to mention earlier: The Well, from the studio side of TLW, has yet another great vocal from this year. This track is very underrated... certainly on par with the material on NLSC.)
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CT
Just one last parting thought before I go out and do my part to stoke the fires of capitalism. Not every Christian necessarily subscribes to all of the fire & brimstone and eternal damnation. Some actually believe in a loving and forgiving God. And it’s possible to relax and enjoy life while trying to avoid sin. And that can happen inside or outside of a formal religion. In the words of the almighty Bruce Springsteen:
“For the ones who had a notion, a notion deep inside, That it ain't no sin, to be glad you're alive”
But one thing I didn’t take into account was the fact that the women who spearheaded the “Probably” campaign is a comedian. That allows for a different perspective. She certainly seems to have gotten some attention. Even if she had to use the same techniques that she seems to disagree with. Her best advice though is to relax, and maybe I’ll do that now….or maybe after work. :-)
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTSteve, Thanks for the clarification, but it still seems like an overreaction to me on the part of the woman who organized the campaign. The people who already don't believe in hell probably shouldn't or wouldn't have to worry about going there at all. In other words, they're already relaxed. It seems to me like she's actively trying to convert people. My advice to her would be to relax and use her money raising skills for causes where she can really make a positive and useful contribution to society.
And the whole "Probably" seems a little wishy-washy to me. A true non-believer would have a little more conviction behind their non-belief. Or maybe she's hedging her bets just in case she gets old and sick someday and wants to change her mind.
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Posted by:Mike
Subject: Careful w/ the previous Jim Weider link.
It looks like we may be better off to go directly to Jim's Myspace page as the link may be ineffective. Sorry.
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Posted by:Mike
Web: My linkSubject: Free Jim Weider live performance download.
Jim just posted a link on his Myspace page to a free download of his Jan 2nd PA live performance.
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Posted by:Steve
Todd, you're making assumptions, based on Roz's posts, I think, about the motivation for the bus campaign.First, the humanists are not the force behind the campaign, they helped organize it since they have experience with organizing campaigns.
The driving force( pun intended) behind the campaign is a 28 year old female comic. She was responding to the "christian , get on board or you're going to hell" promotion from a year or so ago.
In the interview I heard she explained that she thought about the people like her out there who were ambivalent about the God question , especially about the threat of hell and she thought it would be nice to remind them that the christian threats were really not based on anything tangible and to relax and live their life.
She also explained( remember, I'm going back into deep Steve archives here, it was MOnday's interview) that her mother who is Hindu and somehow ended up going to a christian school had the" you're going to hell threat" aimed at her by catholic nuns for several years as a youngster. I guess this was further motivation for her taking some kind of action. remember the signs only say, God " probably" doesn't exist.
As far as the humanists go, the money was raised from people who sent in money to support this project so I guess they feel obliged to spend the money for the project they raised the money for. I think the majority of the money raised is still in a bank account since they raised much more than they needed. Stay tuned as the wheels of the bus go round and round.
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTI've always thought that 'In A Station' had a bit of a tone that fit in with some of the "psychedelic" music of the day....especially the chorus. Sort of a dreamy quality. But even then, I probably wouldn't go as far as to classify it as psychedelic.
You may not be able to say "Happy Christmas" any more in the UK, but I'm sure that you could plaster whatever you want to on the side of a bus. Non-freedom of speech seems only to be limited to actual voiced speech. Maybe it would be OK to tell people they can "Probably" have a Happy Christmas.......or wrap 800 buses with the message of hope and goodwill.
The thing that puzzles me is why the humanist society isn't using some of that money to feed and cloth hungry humans, rather than engage in a propaganda war.
Whatever the case may be, faith is a personal choice that's deeply important to many people and shouldn't be mocked or ridiculed. Life's too short as it is.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Vinyl Siding
I've been enjoying the new Warner LP reissues of Van Morrison's "Astral Weeks" and "Moondance". They were mastered at AcousTech and pressed on 180-gram vinyl at RTI. Kevin Gray mastered "Astral Weeks" and Steve Hoffman, who mastered the upcoming gold CD version of "The Band", worked on "Moondance" with Mr. Gray. They used the original master mixes, rather than the EQ'd cutting master copies, and the sound is nothing less than stunning! Of special note: The latter album features rarer original 12/10/69 mix of "Into The Mystic", with the tambourine and foghorn effects. I'm so knocked out by these two that I guess I'll pick up the other reissue in this series, "His Street Band and Choir", mastered by Mr. Gray.
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Posted by:Peter V
RTO, I'm not sure psychedelic records need to have lots of jamming and long solos. A lot of classics range from very short (White Rabbit) through medium (Baby You're a Rich Man, Strawberry Fields Forever etc). Maybe it's just that they just seemed long to some listeners.
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Posted by:Joe
Jeff,I couldn't agree more. Losing Vivino to California effects the NYC live music seen immensely. He's a true showman and fantastic musician.I feel the same way you do about Conan. The only reason I ever watch the show is because of the band even though the greatness of Vivino and the band is so limited because of the tv venue.
I also believe that Levon Helm losing Vivino as a fairly regular guitarist and band leader will have a severe effect on Helm's live shows. My opinion on this in no way is meant to disrespect Larry Campbell a truly fine and super talented musician himself. But Vivino and Campbell are two different type players.
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Posted by:Friend0
Steve, so much mystery. So little time. Norm a Socialist?
Bonafide swashbuckling tree chopping capitalist say I aye!
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Posted by:Friend0
NB, I wrote a whole response to the video you posted,and it's vanished in mid air.,I thought i hit the correct buttons, maybe not though. Thanks for putting that up there. Believe it or not, even with all the energy and personality displayed, that is a very mild and restrained Vivino performance compared to the old days. No shit.Alos, notice how Jimmy gave sean the floor. Even when Sean looked back, meaning Jimmy should take a lead, jimmy just kept supporting. Of course, not a 64th of a beat was missed either. It just ain't right. We;ve known about it for many eyars now, but Conan taking NY and Neew Jersey's best and brightest to LA, just ain't right. Aside from that band, there hss never been anything aboutt that show that I like. Conan himself might be a great guy. But i;v enever cared for his humor, his TV persona, or that show.
The NYC music scene just ain't gonna be the same.
Frank Pagano, the drummer, goes back to Jersey days with Jimmy.
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Posted by:Steve
Kristie, The 100 Dollars are worth the time. I don't really get into a lot of new music but I do add a new group to my list now and then. There's so much music from the 60's and 70's I still haven't gotten to so I can only absorb a little new stuff but I will try and seek out Wagon Wheel Blues.Jeff0, I'm going to let Norm open the door to that closet himself when he feels comfortable enough to step through it.
Mushrooms, JQ! After munching some one day, I ended up in a tree perched on a limb looking down on some chickens in the barnyard below and was bowled over by this incredible insight into chickens. THEY"RE BIRDS! It was the last shroom meal, I just can't handle these kinds of truths.
Hey Bonk, a happy Thanksgiving to ya. A town near here, Coaticook, celebrates a holiday they call "Christmas In July". The whole town gets drunk and pretends it's Christmas. Those nutty frenchmen!
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Posted by:NB
Web: My linkSubject: costell(0 and vivin(0 for friend(0
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: beyond Hope, BCWeb: My link
Subject: Bill M. :"This Vids For You"
I share your concern about full names in cyberspace Bill. That's why my subject line said Last Names Only. But maybe even that's not a good idea. I know I knew an Engbert from somewhere and the name's highly unusual, so it must've been the one you mentioned, though I can't dredge up a face or a single memory. Gord K. is just not ringing any bells. Though fourty years ago, I surprised myself today by just how many kids I could actually remember from the Frenchman's Bay days. At least a dozen without really trying. However the only Pickeringite with whom I've had any contact in the last thirty or so years was someone I looked up in Toronto about three years ago. He went to DUMBarton, as we ever-so uncleverly called it, and he was the son of a German-Canadian doctor. Martin H. ring any bells ?
I'm almost sure you'd have seen this Jane Vasey clip before. If not, I think you'll be delighted. Her piano playing was as gorgeous as she was. I regret that I never saw her perform live. Northern Girl did once (with The Downchild Blues Band of course), at the El Mocambo. I've searched for a video of her playing and singing "Trying To Keep My Eighty- Eights Straight" but I guess none exists. Maybe someday one will surface on Youtube. That's something I'd dearly love to see. I'm sure a number of people were delighted that someone posted this footage, giving them a little something to remember Jane by. This would have been about four years before she passed. Enjoy.
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Posted by:kristie
Steve-Thanks for the info. I will check out more. I have heard another story now about Jean Lelerc and how he essentially killed off"Jean Leloup"(alter ego?) and burned his guitar that was basically his Lucille in a fit because he no longer felt he was this person he had created. An interesting Character. My friends in Montreal say they will not see him until he brings back Jean Leloup.100 dollars-I like what I hear. I will go on the hunt for them tomorrow. Have you heard "The war on Drugs?" I really enjoy the album "Wagonwheel blues" by them.
Fleet Foxes-I hear Brian Wilson, Band of horses and Joni Mitchell. I definitely agree they are a bit odd. But I think that is what I like about them. I have a strong dislike of generic sounding music usually so anything far from the norm is good with me.
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Posted by:Friend0
Subject: RobI don't know if you were around for this, but
Rrrrrruuf!
Grrrrrrrr
anyhow.
Triple Sqawk!!!
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Posted by:Friend0
Subject: RobI figured it out after my first response. I figured maybe just maybe the proposed game of Non Kosher Chicken might be a hint that i was finally on to you. But of course I couldn't miss a chance to tell anyone to take the reading comprehension course. And I figured that suggesting it to you, might make Kristie feel a little better about my suggesting it to her. Sqawk! Of course, i fully admit i had to take a comprehension refresher course to get your post myself. Now Kristie should really feel better. Double Sqawk!!
I believe we settled on paper mache. However, if we limit the choices to vegetables, I'd guess split peas.
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Posted by:Bonk
Location: SAlt Spring IslandSubject: PC
Never mind parts of the UK, you can't say it in most parts of Canada. Screw that action. Been away for a while so Merry Christmas to everyone. Roz, good to see you back. Just finished reading the new Lennon book and it was pretty good eye candy until about page 509 when the same old bullshit mistakes started to happen. All in all, a good read.
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: JeffNo, I understood perfectly. I just took the deliberate opportunity to make it into a chance to rant, swear and cuss......
To more serious things: is the brass/iron balls debate still going well? I can't remember what we awarded Lou Reed now.. was it paper mache?
All joking apart, PC behaviour is a worry though. In parts of the UK you aren't allowed to say Happy Christmas in case it offends someone.....
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Posted by:Friend0
Rob, if the beer don't do the trick, there is always the reading comprehension course I reccomend. We can always do a who is less PC version of chicken if you feel the need.
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Posted by:Friend0
Rob, you certainly misunderstood my post, but you did not misunserstand that i meant you. I'm about as UN-PC as you are, and you and i have usually been on the same page till you missed my point this time. Drink a beer, read your Location of post that says "Back home on a proper PC now" read Steve's post,read my post again, you'll probably get it this time.
If not, not.
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: Jorma
Joan, JK does indeed have Fur Peace Ranch. He also teaches guitar there and I'm still working on Mrs RtO to "all of a sudden fancy a holiday in Pomeroy, Ohio"
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Posted by:Mike
Web: My linkSubject: DTB's "Down in the Flood."
Heard Derek Trucks Band's version of Bob Dylan's "Down in the Flood" for the 1st time today (released Nov. '08). It's a good bluesy rendition. We still love the live version from the '74 Before the Flood album.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Stephanie MIt was delightful to read your post.So nice that The Band has a "new" generation of fans. I was at school at Ohio U in the 60's. there were quite a few "hippy" farms down in SE Ohio at that time. I think Jorma has a place in Pomeroy. He calls it the Fur Peace Ranch I think.
go Bobcats!
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Herth From Earth
I'd reckon his whole oeuvre, albeit indirect to The Band.
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: David P.
Careful David...as well as Levon wanting a share you'll have Paul Kantner pitching up with his hand out if you quote lyrics like that.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Ground control to JRRLet's not forget The Saga of Pepote Rouge.
"Her golden spaceship with the mother of the earth."
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: Bill MHey, if any kids are reading - remember not to heed your "naughty uncle" Bill M and remember that all drugs are good.
BAD, sorry.
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: PsychedelicIt's a funny old kettle of chips, psychedelia. Within music, it can refer to lightweight tosh from the Lemon Pipers, the classic sound of Haight-Ashbury, Hendrix at full tilt, Miles Davis on an interesting night...pretty much anything a bit left-field that has emerged since the use of visual drugs in performing art commenced. No two peoples definitions are the same. I usually coin it to describe music from 1966-73 that has an air of extended jamming about it; certanly the case with bands like The Dead, Quicksilver, Welsh-rockers Man and tonight with Nektar.
Like CCR, The Band are famed for NOT being psychedelic and eschewing all that scene in favour of embracing a back-to-basics approach - and spawning several similar cases (Beggars Banquet, Let It Be, Layla, Workingmans Dead, Hot Tuna) along the way.
But PV is right, certainly, with Genetic Method. The stream-of-consciousness runs amok through all of GH's pieces where he shifts from one thing to the next. In fact Chest Fever in general is pretty psychedelic - that little band parping up is whacked out. See also the middle section and change of tempo in We Can Talk.
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Posted by:David P.
JQ: "Ferdinand The Imposter"?
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Posted by:Bill M
RtO: So sad to watch good drugs gone bad ...
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Posted by:Peter V
The Genetic Method. Possibly Jupiter Hollow.
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: psychedelic
I noticed RtO used this word. Does any song by The Band even get close to that? Was that genre ever any good? I saw Pink Floyd in the early 70's on some sort of psych, mushrooms I think, and got pretty scared but was impressed.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Subject: Top Cat Bob
Yes, Mr. Dylan's radio theme is a cool jazz version of the 1960s animated series, "Top Cat." I'm not sure whose version, but it's a good one.
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Posted by:RtO
Subject: Politically Correct?
Jeff, I apologise if you meant another Rob. Other than that, politically correct MY ARSE. F... you and every laughable, crummy little value you have!
Brass or iron, me. Cotton wool for those who find political correctness to be a sign of a better world.
Is that better?
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Posted by:Landmark
Subject: Montreal
Ah Top Cat. The animated answer to Sgt. Bilko starring Arnold Stang as Top Cat. Only on the GB!
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Posted by:bob w.
David, looks like you got a lot closer to the correct answer. According to Wikipedia, Dylan's been using the theme from the great animated series "Top Cat".
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Posted by:Friend0
Steve, maybe i read everything too quick. Looks like Rob has become PC,poltiically correct, which would be a disappointment, and say what, Norm a practicising socialist? I musta missed a post , or maybe if i read right, it was in that post that Ilka wrote got deleted earlier.
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: Nah, St. Barts was earlier
I don't remember who said that it was recent, but I read about that yacht performance earlier this year. An acquaintance of mine who paid his way into Penn, was also on that yacht and said he got to meet Robbie. He ain't lying cuz he told me about it before this article came out. He also knew nothing of Robbie before meeting him.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Les ReedYes, my copy of "Theme from Dr Finlay's Casebook' on Piccadilly is safe as is 'Spanish Armada' on Fontana.
Oh! Maybe you meant LOU Reed. I just looked. According to Rare Record Price Guide 2010 his most valuable album is Metal Machine Music at £35. That says something about collectability.
If "Railway Modeller" fails, try Scalextric.
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Posted by:RtO
Location: Back home on a proper PC now...Subject: Further to my previous....and more.
Peter, next time you have tradesmen in, stick a few precious singles inside some Lou Reed LP sleeves. Even left prominently in a box and unfiled, they're bound to be left untouched.
Mrs RtO bade me gather some info on suitable materials and fittings for boarding out our loft for more practical use. I therefore returned home tonight with this month's Railway Modeller and she didn't reckon much to it at all. Which begs one question: why bother asking me to sodding well get it?
Luke - I go down the pub. I have no truck with wine and cheese soirees. Maybe I'm missing something, but seeing as I'm married and trying to smoke less, I'd probably not qualify for any of the benefits anyway.
Having a psychedelic interlude at the moment and listening to the first three albums by Nektar. One at a time, mind - not all three at once.
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Posted by:Bill M
NB: To pursue the current apologetic binge, I'm not ignoring you - I just not sure about attaching full names to stories in cyberspace, even totally harmless ones. Engbert (my mistake) was/is a K as well, though from the Dutch branch of the K family. Do you recall anyone from 7 and 8 at Frenchman's Bay?
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Posted by:Stephanie M
Location: Ohio...GO BUCKS!Subject: I love Tha Band
I'm 24. I didn't even exist when The Band was around. And yet I have loved their music my entire life. I grew up frequently visiting a farm who was maintained by a friend of the family, sitting on the porch watching the fireflies perform their light show for us while listening to--among others--Dylan, CCR, Clapton and of course The Band. Then one day a few years ago the older gentleman who lived on the farm received "The Last Waltz" on DVD from his son. While all the 'youngins' were running around trying to sneak beer and avoid anything parental, I was distracted by the film. It completely absorbed me. Of course it helped that I thought Robbie Robertson and Rick Danko were pretty hot. By my next birthday I had a copy of my own, The Band's Greatest Hits and a few posters to adorn my dorm room walls up at school. I frequented this website but never signed the guestbook. So...here I am, saying THANKS! Thank you to The Band for providing me with the background music for many entertaing stories told by my elders sitting on a porch on a farm and for the soundtrack of my college years! R.I.P. To those members no longer with us. To those who still are, keep on keepin' on!
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Posted by:Bill M
Steve: You might also suggest that dlew watch out for the most excellent Harry Manx, who I believe also plays Australia more or less regularly. And while I've got you, were you listening to Tim Allen this AM? He played the drop-dead gorgeous "Azure" from Willie P Bennett's great "Heartstrings" comeback CD from some years ago. Willie's final comeback album, sadly.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Subject: Stevon Tractor
While there is of course always a strong temptation to do so, I am not ignoring your last post (re: Jim Byrnes). I'll get back to you later. NB
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Posted by:Steve
Dlew if there's any chance of you seeing any of the Canadians touring your part of th world, Hawksley Workman would probably be the one for an old-timer such as yourself. Tegan and Sara are great but you'd be sharing the venue with a lot of crazy youngins. Workman is a great performer. He does a wide variety of musical styles and can really rock when he wants to.
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Posted by:David P.
Charlie: I don't know the name of the song, but isn't it a tune from a tv cartoon?
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Posted by:bob w.
Charlie, is Dylan still using "Somewhere Over the Rainbow"?
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Posted by:Ilkka
Location: Nordic CountriesSubject: My residence / Biographies
Even if I am not happy about it I _respect_ Mr. Hoiberg's decision to delete our totally unnecessary conversation. However, Ms. Richardson asked a decent question about my residence. - The street where I live is described in ABBA biography which has been published recently. And certainly in English very soon, too.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
David: it took me a while to find out whose sultry voice that was which opened the Theme Time Radio Hour each week with a different film noir sort of intro. I wonder if Mr. Dylan writes those himself after reading a few pages of Raymond Chandler to get in the mood.For extra points, what is the instrumental theme song to Dylan's Theme Time Radio Hour?
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Posted by:luke m
Steve, maybe Dave had seen The Last Waltz - seeing is believing and you wouldn't believe Robbie's singing on It Makes No Difference unless you had seen it. And Rob, I've heard what goes on after those wine and cheese parties. You can't fool me.
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Posted by:Steve
You caught me out Put Em Up0, Norm and I have switched sides, Norm, now being a fulling functioning, practicing socialist, I thought as a question of balance I should shift a little to the right. You know me, it's always about a question of balance.As a unrepentant, evangelical fundamentalist Bandit, I've fallen into a great way to spread the word ( yesterday's topic) totally by chance which is how most of my best accomplishments get started.
Last fall when I heard the CBC weekend morning man in Montreal, Dave Bronstetter, commit Banditry by referring to Robbie Robertson as THE CANADIAN, Band member who WROTE and SANG!!!! the songs, after playing TNTDODD.
Dave's a great guy and was willing to correct his comments within half an hour of receiving my email.
He also invited me to fill him in on more Band info especially the roles played by the individual members in the group.
He now usually plays at least one Band song each weekend, usually with a comment about the song.
Last weekend he even took it upon himself to play some Ronnie Hawkins and followed it up with a Crowbar song, I think I've made an important convert.
Think big. One to one conversion is far too slow, cast a wide net. Maybe 800 buses with adverts.
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Posted by:The Hick From Pickerin'
Subject: Bill M. / Last Names Only
Would you be able to post the last names of Gord K. and Egbert ? NB
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: It's night time in the big city...
Charlie: Bob Dylan. Ms. Barkin does the voice over intro for his Theme Time Radio Hour program on Sirius/XM.
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Posted by:Bill M
Charlie Y: I know nothing about Ellen, but I think her cousin Mark must've been barkin' mad if he thought he could win a girl's heart by likening her to a flamingo. Of course, Joe Tex might've gotten away with it.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Subject: Trivia Time (Barkin up a Tree with Roots)
Can anyone name the artist with whom Ellen Barkin has worked with closely in recent years who also worked with The Band for many years? Clue: it ain't Kevin Bacon.
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Posted by:RtO
Location: On a mobile phone doing this on a poxy little screenSubject: Luke and Peter
Some good points made. Luke, I'm afraid I live in Royal Borough of Kingston so parties in my end of Worcester Park are a bit more cheese and wine style. Would that they were more like you have in Sutton! Peter, if someone stole such a nice selection of 45s they want stringing up by their balls at least.
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Posted by:Friend0
Steve, are you sure you are a socialist? Your original and new artist reccos have revolved around money. First the young rap artist, was it Lil Buck, or Buck 65? now, the other day, One Hundred dollars?
The other day i was discussing something in here, and that it was bout half a lifetime away for many of us. Now, referring to 100 dollars. Makes me ask: Has anyone noticed what's happened to the price of scarves? A cousin of mine was here the other day on business. Is here bout once a month. Had done some shopping at Joseph Banks round Thanksgiving,,left it at his apartment, which he rents to a business associate. Stopped there this time, picked it up, left the stuff with me now. Part if it was 2 cashmere scarves. Tagged 120 bucks a piece. Marked down about 45% at Thanksgiving time.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: strawberry winehouse
It appears from reports that Miss Winehouse has formed an understanding with a young gentleman who has also been wintering on St Lucia. One may assume that the song in question was directed at him. The News of the World piece described her knocking back strawberry dacquiris, saying how good it was to be clean. It also alluded at one point to her dragging this young man into the bushes, in full view of horrified etc. One draws the strong inference that they discarded their shoes.
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Posted by:Peter V
I like Amy well enough … but "Puppy Love"? Linda might have a point.
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Posted by:roz
Web: My link
One of my favorite songs - performed by Robbie Robertson
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Posted by:dlew919
Subject: Luke: Barefoot in a tropical paradise...
These young people, I tell you ;-)
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: islandsMeanwhile, on St Lucia, Amy Winehouse is treating guests to her own brand of high-rolling musical fun. This from Britain's leading cultural commentator, the News of the World:
'One guest called Linda from Sheffield told us: “I’ve been here two weeks and every day I pray she’s gone home."
Linda goes on to berate Amy for dressing like a cross betweena tramp and a prostitute, and for NOT WEARING SHOES TO DINNER. It's just not what you expect on a relaxing Caribbean island holiday!
“Every night we go to the piano bar and the professional player can’t entertain us because Amy’s taken over.“
Serves them all right for not going to Cleethorpes, if you ask me. They could have seen Linda Evangelista there! But it gets worse...
“And she can’t even play. She just jabs at odd notes and is usually so drunk she can barely hold a note. If I have to listen to her do Puppy Love again I think I’ll kill her.“
If the drugs don't get you, Linda from Sheffield will.
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Posted by:dlew919
Subject: Holy Fuck! the Canuckistani invasion of OzBill M., Steve: this has passed me by - whether they are out here for the festivals (big day out, Byron Bay, et cetera), or whether I've just missed them, I don't know... will chase all these bands up - there's a couple of Canuckistan Bands I like: wish I could think which ones.. oh yeah, Rush!
Anyone seen Jeff Beck live? he's coming, and i'm sort of tempted. What would you say?
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Posted by:Steve
There are so many Robbie Robertsons out there isn't it wonderful. There's a guy in Montreal, also named Robbie Robertson, who organizes the Rememberance Day activities every November 11th in Montreal.I used to think maybe it was our guy but then I heard he was a WW2 vet so I axed that idea.
Now another Robbie Robertson, they're everywhere, and this one is described as a "singer". That eliminates our guy again. Any pictures available?
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Posted by:Peter V
OK, Stephen Speilberg and Denzel Washington, maybe, but I can't believe you get Linda Evangelista in Sutton. Here in Poole, yes.
It must be like a musician attending a kid's party and being asked if you can play Happy Birthday on the piano. You have to sing for your supper.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: good old st bart's
I can hear Ronnie the Hawk shouting 'Big time', 'big time'. Though probably from the dock. But this isn't so fancy - it sounds very like the kind of parties we have in Sutton, as Rob the O, if he's reading, will confirm.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Latest Robbie performanceI was just sent this article from "The Independent". Thanks to Ian Woodward for spotting it.
"Lure of St Barts, the Caribbean idyll where everyone's a star" by Genevieve Roberts (The Independent, 3 January 2009, page 7).
The relevant part reads: "Then, on 30 December, the moneyed set gathered again at a party aboard Octopus, at 414 feet long, the sixth largest yacht in the world, owned by Microsoft's co-founder Paul Allen. Singers Jon Bon Jovi and Robbie Robertson performed in jam sessions, entertaining guests who reportedly included Steven Speilberg and Denzel Washington, the supermodel Linda Evangelists and singer Billy Joel - a regular on the island who often holds impromptu bar gigs".
St Barts is "The exclusive, six-mile-long French-Caribbean haven St Barthelemy.."
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: Interesting playlist
From Dana Jennings NY Times blog. Check out the 5th song listed. Interesting list.
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Posted by:Friend0
Great pun Luke.Even Nutjob will be impressed. And that's no small feat.
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Posted by:luke m
Web: My linkSubject: barkin mad
Here's another way to lose a record collection - 5:20 in...
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Posted by:Karen
Has anyone heard the song "Old Enough" by The Raconteurs? It has a fiddle in it; maybe it was influenced by The Band or maybe not. I think it's great to hear a Southern influence in rock music now more than ever.
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Posted by:Peter V
The tale of CD and vinyl loss was most upsetting. But always look on the bright side of life … he lost his huge collection of hip hop CDs and Kraftwerk. Even a collector as obsessive as I could get over that with a cup of tea. Now I mislaid one small box of vinyl 7 inch somewhere. The missing stuff includes The first Cut Is The Deepest (P.P. Arnold), Satisfaction (Stones), early Beatles etc. Most of what is gone is well-known. We had the house rewired and replumbed. I'm sure some bastard stole a little selection. The P.P. Arnold alone is worth way more in musical terms than the life work of Kraftwerk.
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Posted by:Bill M
Subject: What a wick!
Steve: Having mentioned the Elmer Fudd accent, I figured I could safely leave the matter in the hands and imaginations of my colleagues here at the GB. Guess not.
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Posted by:Steve
Bill, talk about blasphemy, that should be, Wodwick, wanks and wome. Tsk, tsk.Northern Nut Job, I was just listening to Jim Byrnes on the radio in the tractor. I mention tractor only to explain whey I missed some vital info because of tractor noises.
Jim s actually still on the radio, doing " Of Whom Shall I Be Afraid?" Great song!
Jim will be releasing his next album which because of tractor noises I can only say, I think, is called, Walking Stick".It'll be out in April. He says House of Refuge was for him his first really significant album and that this one is better.
The Soujourners are along for the ride again.
He took part in CRTC hearings last year trying to get room for CBC 3 on the air. Now he will be hosting an "adult albums" program on 104.4 on The Coast. he said it'll be something like Randy Bachman's program only MUCH BETTAAA.
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Posted by:Bill M
That was a sobering read, PEUJ, though I do have to wonder how any sensible person could come to own three times as many CDs as slices of sacred vinyl. But that shrink, with that dismissive analysis! I wonder if he'd be so smug and sanguine if his entire hoard of original sketches by Rorschach had vanished? Too bad about the M Frog album though, and since Seattle's the only place I've ever seen one for sale (late '70s), I wonder if that's the copy the writer got?
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: welease woderick!Bill, thanks for reminding us that Love will keep us together. They should have a bus with that slogan. Or: Traffic will keep us together. We always thought that duo was a football score. 'Stenhousemuir 2, Captain and Tennille.'
They are committed atheists, Steve, and their orgiastic revelry is conducted purely in the interests of philosophy. It is in its way a search for the truth. And then for the way home.. and then for the house keys.. Is the limited edition an atheist moped?
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Posted by:Bill M
Subject: honk if you love Jesus / skip if you love Captain and TeneilleSince this is at its fundament a music site, I should've mentioned that the Globe article on godless advertisements started out by saying something like "To many of us, Hell is a very hot place with 'Muskrat Love' playing on an endless tape loop".
And since we were talking Python, I should also have noted that last week's edition of Michael ("I'm not related") Palin's trek through Africa had him revisiting a couple of places in Algeria. At one desolate locale he said something like "The last time I was here I was being crucified" - at which point they showed a bit of the "Always Look On The Bright Side" scene. (The person sitting next to me, who hadn't seen the movie, was transfixed by the breathtaking blasphemy of it all.) And then they moved on to the place in the movie where Pontius Pilate came out and addressed crowd in his Elmer Fudd accent: "May I introduce Roderick; no one ranks higher in Rome."
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My linkSubject: Record Collection Diaspora
See the link, and don't become another statistic.
I had a different occurrence with a similarly horrible, however, nowhere nearly as horrible outcome. I left two boxes of cds, maybe 400 to 500 of them, with a sister of mine. Back in 99. when i asked her for them about two years later, she couldn't remember what she did with them. We had stashed them in one of her closets, but then she got divorced, and moved everything into storage for a while. Anyway,they were never found.
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Posted by:Steve
Luke, my man, are you assuming that the drunken sex orgyists are atheists?Having spent 4 years at a Catholic college, I'd say you might need better evidence. The fact you refer to weapons and violence being involved would usually mean true believers are involved.
Peter I thought the "God probably doesn't exist, enjoy your life", was a peppy little positive message. If it had said something like Jesus doesn't save, then you're right it is a little aggressive. But that wasn't the message or the spirit it is delivered in.
The campaign will be started in Spain by Spanish atheists and in the Old Pope's back yard in Rome in the spring.
I hear that there is a limited edition of the campaign going on in Wash DC.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Sui Generis
Sui Generis … a tragic story. Charly’s beef was that they’d spent too much time in the saddle and his knees were getting chapped. Nino wanted to carry on riding back and forth between Fray Bentos (where they had chicken wire in front of the stage) and Tierra Del Fuego (where you had to show your razor and puke twice before you got in the club), but then the whole songwriting dispute kicked in, and anyway, it takes two to tango. The story is encoded deep within the lyrics of Steely Dan’s “Gaucho” album, and it’s little known that Sui Generis were a big influence on them.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: the real sui generis
I googled 'sui generis' and came up with the best reason for a band splitting: 'Argentinean folk-rock band Sui Generis was formed in the early ’70s by singer, guitarist, and keyboardist Charly García and singer/instrumentalist Nito Mestre, who met while being high school students. ... Due to internal discrepancies, the group decided to perform for the last time at Buenos Aires’ Luna Park on September 5, 1975.' Sounds like an accounting error to me...
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Brown album gold remaster
I've ordered mine. I notice that it's a numbered limited edition, and with previous ones (like Stage fright) it really WAS a limited edition, so it's worth joining the queue.
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Posted by:Landmark
Subject: Montreal
And speaking of Brian Wilson, I got Lucky Old Sun at Christmas and am enjoying it a lot. It's a lot poppier than Smile but it's done in the same song cycle style of it. It will never replace his classic compositions but there are a couple of stand out tracks. Anybody else hear it and what do you think about it?
Python? What more can be said other than "Fetchez la vache!"
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Posted by:Peter V
As you'll know, Bill, Monty Python's LPs were on the same Charisma label as Sui Generis.
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Posted by:Bill M
Subject: On the Buses
Monty Python Monty Python Monty Python. Not only does Python turn up in Luke M's post but it's also referred to in the Globe and Mail article that was presumably Steve's jumping-off point. Except that that article noted the Pythonesque quality of the bus company's insistence that the atheists' billboards go only so far as to claim that god "probably" doesn't exist. (Truth in advertising you know.) While an 800-bus campaign seems like total overkill (an unexpected treasure trove will do that), I suspect that the organisers were originally hoping that a couple of pro-atheism billboards would cause a policy change whereby no religious advertising (pro or con) would be accepted for public transit. If god's as powerful as claimed, he needs neither billboards nor people presuming to do his thinking for him.
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Posted by:Peter V
I agree that “Jesus Doesn’t Save” shoved in your face is just as annoying as “Jesus Saves” being shoved in your face, (but given the credit crunch, saving doesn’t make sense with interest near zero per cent). Either bus would annoy me equally. We had a local issue a couple of years ago. Right in the town centre there are some long parking spaces reserved for tourist coaches (which aid the local economy). Some evangelical group took advantage and placed double decker buses covered with slogans in the most prominent spaces and left them all day every day as advertising hoardings. But there’s some weird stuff with the evangelicals. one was declaiming in the street on Saturday spitting over all and sundry. It was about two minutes later that I realized what he’d said was: “on the third day Lazarus rose from the tomb and Mary dried his feet with her hair” which to my memory means the poor bugger’s brain was totally scrambled.Luke, Sui Generis … Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks. I was listening to “Invisible Touch” today (because I was researching something on Charisma, their label). I’ll tell you what, it sounds INCREDIBLY dated in the way their early 70s stuff doesn’t at all.
Fleet Foxes … I hear more Brian Wilson than The Band too.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: fleet foxes, fleet of half-baked busesPeter, I was talking about Fleet Foxes with someone I know - I said I thought it was heavily influenced by Brian Wilson (that's what reaches my ear first, along with a dash of Love), and she said she thought it was more sui generis. For a moment I couldn't compute the words and I thought she was talking about a progressive rock band called Sui Generis. I bet there was one. There should have been!
Bill, I think you're right - give them the CD, make your excuses and leave..
On the subject of the bus - I have been strangely annoyed by this. I'm not aware of any high-profile evangelical Christian advertising in the UK (and I'm sure it would annoy me just as much), just the usual venal appeals to our greed and vanity. But if you're going to make an argument for atheism, this isn't even the best one to make. Having spent the weekend with my mum, who is in poor health, the notion that she should abandon her (actually pretty unorthodox) faith and relax and enjoy herself (er, she can't) just because some bunch of smart-ass thirty-somethings can't get over having been to Catholic school (I'm guessing here) is faintly insulting. We need faith when we are at our most vulnerable, not when the sun has got his hat on. I think faith in the previous sentence can be a humanist faith, too.
Atheists don't need to form clubs in the UK; the culture is largely secularised. The idea of a bus touring Britain inviting people to take time out from casual sex, vomiting in the streets and stabbing each other of a Friday night to consider that God might not exist is worthy of Monty Python. Preaching to the converted. I bet the bus tickets have gone up in the New Year, too...
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Posted by:rosalind
Beats me why it would bother some atheist if they see some banner telling them they were going to a place that didnt even exist! Why get they so upset? Are they their brother's keeper, or what? For people who say "go out and live your own life" they sure get involved in other people's lives alot. They should just laugh it off and walk on by laughing but NO! They set up banners just like those crazy church people. You don't fight what you hate by becoming just like them. And why all the sudden is this group of people so concerned how much fun and relaxation SOMEBODY ELSE gets? I think the amount of fun and relaxation one gets should be left up to them. Don't you, Steve?
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Posted by:Bill M
Web: My linkSubject: mostly Jerry Penfound
Dlew: I've heard just one song by Holy Fuck, who Steve mentioned. It was excellent, but you probably have to like the sound of the Kinks circa "Mr Pleasant". Don't remember the title - something dark and final like "Abattoir", it seems to me.
Luke M: I have to agree with you about trying to introduce someone to 'your' music. It seldom sounds right, and sometimes borders on embarrassing. Better to lend people a CD and have them listen to it without having someone in the room craving validation.
Ari S: Jerry Penfound hailed from London, Ont., and knew Garth at school. He joined Hawkins at about the same time as Rick Danko; Helm and Robertson were the other Hawks at the time. Played piano (replacing Stan Szelest) as well as sax until Hawkins hired Richard Manuel. After leaving the Levon Helm Sextet he wound up in the Capers, ironically a group that Garth had played with years before. He's on one of their albums, playing piano and sax and singing "Route 66". Recorded another album, circa '69, with a Toronto lounge band, the Quorum. By the mid '70s he was a studio engineer in Toronto, and then went on the road as the sax player in the group Shooter. He died in the '90s. I saw him play just once, in '77 when he turned up unexpectedly to join a surprised Helm and a surprised Hawkins on stage at the Beverly Hills Motor Hotel in Toronto. Also on stage were Dr John, Pat Travers, King Biscuit Boy, Ken Kalmsuky, Jack deKeyzer, Martin Short's brother Mike and some others. The first RCO All-Stars album was just out (or would be soon) and Levon sang "Washer Woman" and "Milk Cow Boogie". Oh yeah, I think Duck Dunn was there too.
Do you have any recollections of it, John D?
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Posted by:Steve
Roz, the add campaign is a response to an evangelical christian group's add campaign that went much further than you suggested. Their ads proclaimed that hell exists and that unless you become a practicing christian your soul would be condemned to hell for all eternity.The young woman who organized the humanistic campaign, being an humanistic atheist was much more reserved in her ads.
She said she wanted people to see that if they didn't believe this hell and damnation stuff they weren't alone. Atheists don't form clubs and gather once a week so they have no idea how many people share their non-beliefs.
The reaction has generally been positive. She set out to raise 5,000 pounds and so far has received 140,000 or about a quarter million US bucks.
Surprisingly the christian group says the ads should be removed because it breaks the truth in advertising rules. My god! They should be referred back to the silly, outrageous basis of their own campaign.
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Posted by:rosalind
I bet if some Christian group rented space on 800 buses and put GOD PROBABLY DOES EXIST SO REPENT - BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY there would be protests about it.
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: Humanist thought for the dayThe humanist society in England has rented space on 800 buses in the UK putting up signs that read: GOD PROBABLY DOESN'T EXIST, SO RELAX AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE!
Dlew have you been out to concerts enjoying the Canuckelhead invasion of Aussie Land. Many of Canada's new younger bands have figured out that when it's winter here it's summer on the bottom of the globe.
Bands such as Tegan and Sarah( the identical twins from Calgary) have been touring the country with great success. Thousands of young Aussies, in spite of the large distances between cities have been literally following the group from concert to concert and at times causing the girls to stop singing and just listen to the crowds that know their songs so well sing their parts.
there is a long list of the top Canuckelhead bands "Down Under" at the moment but the only other ones that come to mind are Hawksley Workman and an interesting Toronto band affectionately called, Holy Fuck.
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My link
Cisco TelePresence. The demand is enormous.
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Posted by:dlew919
Subject: SpacesSpace - that idea of contrast, of loud and soft. All teh great bands have it. Even juggernaut Bands like Zeppelin, or the WHo, know that it's better to punctuate silence, then not have silence at all.
The Band was masterful. Cannot really comment on 90s output, but to take 'The Weight'. It's not only the space between notes, it's the space within notes... Eery instrument is clear. On the occassions where I mix, I try to leave space - jam the treble instruments (the higher ones) to the left, the bass instruments, the low ones, to the right, and either drums or melody in the middle (sometimes both...)
I have a dumb theory that music likes oxygen...
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Odd soundsLuke … the point about the Band sounding "odd" to newcomers is one I've often noticed. I even noticed it in 1968 to 1969. They DO sound odd at first listen or five. A friend told me in 1969 it was because of the spaces all over the music, and that is part of it. It's part of the reason there are a number of Band fans who really didn't take to the 90s Band … the spaces, on the whole, had gone. But not on the best track, Atlantic City (which turns out to be as much a Hooters production as anything). I don't know how you define "spaces". It's not that everyone stops, but there are lots that aren't filled in!
They aren't alone. A lot of Fleet Foxes sounds similarly "odd", so does last year's Americana contender, The Decemberists. I reckon it's why these groups are hailed as "like The Band". They don't sound remotely like The Band, but they also use space and come across as slightly "odd" initially.
In The Sunday Times guide to Music for 2009, Fleet Foxes join Sufjan Stevens as the 2009 Americana stars. The reference to the two defining classics of the genre are Woody Guthrie "Dust Bowl Ballads" and "The Band". In the same article it says alt-country and Americana can be interchangeable, but alt-country is standing outside Nashville, while Americana relates to folk … plus The Beach Boys and The Band. It's an unlikely pairing, but when we discussed the word Americana applied to rock music, one of the earliest references was Murray Wilson describing The Beach Boys.
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Posted by:rosalind
Ari - That was 88. I remember the first solo record coming out close the end of 87 and Robbie being slated to host Saturday Night Live but all that changed dramatically. He ended up as a quick presenter(first Grammy award of the nite) on the Grammys in January (whitney Houston won for "I Want To Dance With Smebody") and then that performance. I think he done three songs. Testimony was the one I remember well. He probably done Showdown and Crazy River. Boy that was along time ago. Originally that foootage took place out of the range of the public's eye as they went to commercial.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Ari: I loved that clip of Robbie with G.E. Smith on one of my all-time favorite guitar solos. I remember playing that portion of "King Harvest" for a college friend circa 1975 and he said "THAT little thing?" It was like "trying to tell a stranger about rock'n'roll," as John Sebastian sang.Speaking of G.E. Smith, I once saw him as part of Dylan's band when they played a theme park here in Virginia. The local paper compared it to the sign in "Spinal Tap" which read "Today Puppet Show...also Spinal Tap." I think Dylan read it because he seemed angry the whole show and G.E. Smith was in rare form ,too. I think Dylan shows I've seen. G.E. Smith is also on YouTube in a moving recent concert clip with legendary Dick Dale, currently fighting cancer.
Ros: I thought Springsteen gave the best speech of the night on the Golden Globes...
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: JQ
OK I will try to explain how to post a link. Go to the page you want to post, Highlight it (the address in the bar on top.)This is the web address. When it is blue, click CTRL and the letter C at the same time. Then go to the GB page, put your cursor in the web page box and hit CTRL and the letter V.If the address is long (yours appeared to be), after you have highlighted go to Tinyurl.com. Follow the instructions to make a smaller link. Highlight the new link and put that in the Web page space. I hope this is clear Its easy to do but hard to explain.
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: HEY! He's playing King Harvest in 1988
I hadn't watched the video when I posted it, but it's Robbie playing the solo with GE Smith from King Harvest.
Fromm 88, might be 92 though on SNL.
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Posted by:roz
I slept til 10:30 pm and missed the Golden Globes! I just heard that Colin Farrell won for "In Bruges" SEE THIS MOVIE YA"LL! and Rourke won for the Wrestler! Good enuff for me. I'm now going on a search to see if I can watch the entire show online. DExter Lost againnnnnnn Crap!
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Posted by:Ari S.
Web: My linkSubject: Robbie Robertson and GE Smith Jam
It's short but here.
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Posted by:glenn t
Subject: Ramble book
I just noticed this listing on Amazon: Levon Helm's Midnight Ramble by Paul LaRaia (Hardcover - Jun 15, 2009). Product Description: "Levon Helm's Rambles have quickly become the stuff of legend...This book is the official record of these incredibly intimate sessions: the next best thing to being there. Accompanying the spectacular photos are testimonials and remembrances from the superstars who have joined the Ramble."
Does anybody know anything about this?
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Posted by:dlew919
Subject: Thanks and NormThanks Mike adn Peter - will check it out, then...
Norm: Pirates is stupid, but in a good way...
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: 1986 World Series game 6 box scorehttp://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN198610250.shtml
Sorry I don't know how to get a pushable link on to this site. It's an Apple and I can get it on to an E-mail but not to here. Anybody want to assist a confused geezer?
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Shea & Yankee StadiumsAs a Westcoaster I believe I've only seen 1 game at those 2 parks but they were very memorable:
At an opening day at Yankee Stadium in the mid-80's George Brett hit 3 home runs. And I was there with my Brother-In-Law for the Buckner game in 1986. There were many more excitements in that game than BB's error; it was maybe best I've ever been to. I remember the older lady next to us working her rosary beads like crazy and then later in the game she sort of knelt down. There were many people on both sides crying in late innings and then the obvious celebration.
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Posted by:Jean
Subject: Yankee & Shea StadiumsI've been a Red Sox fan forever, but I also have some fond memories of Yankee and Shea Stadiums. Many years ago I wound up with tickets to a game at Yankee Stadium that turned out to be an almost no hitter. Bobby Ojeda had a no hitter going into the ninth. I forget how many outs he had before Rick Cerone (I think that's right) broke it up, but what I remember is how generous the Yankee fans were - at least the ones around me. As much as they didn't want to see their team no-hit, they were true baseball fans and at least a little bit of them wanted to see the no hitter. The fans around me friend and me knew we were Red Sox fans but they were very friendly and we had a wonderful experience. Well, except for trying to find our way home after the game. It was the last time I drove to the Bronx!
What I remember about Shea is going to a game with my Dad, uncle and cousin and just enjoying a glorious day. I can't remember who the Mets played and it doesn't matter. It's just a happy childhood memory of a great day spent with loved ones.
Charlie Y, please don't call it the Bill Buckner game. His was only one of many Red Sox sins committed that day and it is so unfair to blame it all on him. He received hate mail and death threats and had to endure being part of the opening of every 'game of the week' for years. He was a fine ball player and is a fine man and deserves much better. Boston had him back after they won the world series and he was gracious enough to come back to Fenway. Someone with less character would have told the team/fans to (insert expletive) themselves.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: lone star, burnished brownSad to hear of the demise of the Lone Star, I like hearing posts from people who were there.
I'm with Peter on investing in a new remaster of TheBandTheBand for just one sound - I swear I heard Richard in behind a Levon line on a song this weekend, I can't remember where. Maybe it was just a Whispering Pine. But I traded up for some supposedly higher bitrate stuff on iTunes for my Band albums, couldn't hear the difference on my equipment. Sometimes you hear things in the mix on different equipment just from different EQ in the system (I guess that's what it is?) - vocal sounds can sound quite different, forward or back in the mix.
I listened to The BandTheBand straight through on Friday night in the car and it was stunning all over again. After playing through the first four albums recently, I think it is in a class of its own. I think only Stage Fright has its consistency of tone, though not its scale of achievement. MFBP is fits and starts for me - though hitting unprecedented and irreplaceable heights. Cahoots only runs irrevocably out of puff halfway through side 2. The Moon Struck (some people as being pretty terrible) is a song I like more and more. I am tempted to do homage to the 'shake 'n' bake' tagline in Talladega Nights with a 'snake 'n' lake' alternative. Though reading through these posts maybe 'shake 'n' bake' is a coded reference to tape rescue.
I had a strange experience playing some Band music in the car this weekend. I was playing some of Stage Fright to my sister and it sounded odd! A bit like playing your own music to someone for the first time, you sit there in your own sweat and it sounds all wrong. It didn't sound wrong, but it didn't sound right. Instead of sounding warm, familiar and perfectly idiomatic it sounded a bit - well, strange. Like seeing a family member's face in a mirror - you notice all the idiosyncracies that familiarity has obscured.
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Posted by:Tim
Location: BostonSubject: Shea and Yankee stadium
I Live in boston but tri state area born and bred. Funny how little sadness around Shea which I believe is the last of the cookie cutter ballparks, I had some great memories there and I'm sad to see it go even though Im a yankee fan.
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: Pre-renovated Yankee Stadium
Charlie, 75% of the current Yankee Stadium is original, believe it or not. I've made a monor hobby of researching it over the past several years, and if we were to go in there together today (nothing has been torn down or removed yet with the exception of the plaques in Monument Park)I would enjoy showing you what is original and a witness to Ruth, gehrig, DiMaggio etc., and what dates to the '73-'75 renovations. Briefly, the entire third deck is original with the exception of the highest 10 rows, the entire second deck (loge) is original, and the rear 2/3rds of the first deck are original. Remnants of the original support columns are still there if you know where to look and I took photographs of them during my last game there last season. All the existing bleachers are also original. The lower 2/3rds of the exterior of the stadium is also original.One thing not original is the field, which was lowered 10 feet during the mid-70's renovations, and the white facade across the outfield scoreboard is a reproduction.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Subject: Hornsby Quote
I like what Bruce Hornsby once said to a young fan who didn't understand how Bruce could say good things about musicians like Elton John or the Grateful Dead: "OK, kid, let's hear YOUR music." We're still waiting.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Location: Down in Old VirginnySubject: Disappearing New York
The Lone Star and Shea are following the original Yankee Stadium to oblivion, but I have fond memories of each place. Like John W, I saw Simon & Garfunkel in concert at Shea, though my favorite experience there was my only World Series game. It was the infamous Bill Buckner game when the Red Sox blew it and the Mets came back to win the championship in 1986. Paul Simon--a YANKEE fan--even sang the National Anthem that night.
I never saw any members of The Band play the Lone Star but do remember a great reunion concert by The Youngbloods after which I got to meet Jesse Colin Young, Jerry Corbit and Lowell "Banana" Levinger backstage. They were all friendly, great guys and I'm sorry it was their last reunion tour.
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: Who Used To Say, " The Blues Are A Drag?"Well lets remember, this year of mediocrity began last year in the Super Duper Bowl with a team of average talent catching a dynasty team on a bad day.
You boys in Blue should hold your collective heads up and savour the fading feeling of your Super Duper Bowl Championship.
This voodoo year will end with this Super Bowl and next year with Brady back in the saddle the Natural Ruling Team will resume it's collection of Super Bowl Hardware.
Remember this year's theme, mediocrity, and put your cash on the Arizonians next week.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Steve Young
Band connection: Fred Carter, Jr. played on Steve Young's 1972 Reprise album "Seven Bridges Road", which was recorded at Mr. Carter's Nashville studio. In addition to the title cut, made famous by the Eagles, other outstanding original cuts include "Lonesome, On'ry and Mean", "Montgomery In The Rain" and "The White Trash Song".
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Steve YoungRoz -
I'm a fan too. One of my favorite tribute records is Tulare Dust, it's a tribute to Merle Haggard and Steve Y covers Shopping for Dresses. That's a funny song for a guy to sing, eh? I'd bet he takes fierce agro from his buddies for that one. But, obviously, that contemporary interpretation is not what Merle had in mind. It's a lovely & sad song.
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: Penfound/Richard's kids
This link is to an article about a band that contains Angela Penfound. Jerry's daughter. I'll try to run the question past Glen Silverthorn (Rick's drummer)
Richard's kids: Paula was born in 1970 and Josh 1975.
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Posted by:brown eyed girl
Web: My link
Neil Diamond His Life, His Music, His Passion by Laura Jackson 2005
Neil's wearing a buckskin fringed jacket and suede boots. Some excerpts before zulu puts the book back in our Co-Op's laundry room.
"Robbie Robertson had greatly admired Neil Diamond's very early material.....Said Robertson once: "This huge audience adopted Neil. When you see him perform it's like, 'What's going on here?' These people are hypnotized!" For his part, Neil Diamond candidly confessed that The Band's music had never managed to make any mark on him.
What possibly impressed Diamond most vividly was finding out that his fellow songwriter had had his own share of problems on the road to fame. Said Neil, "This was a personal relationship between us and a mutual respect for what we'd each been through - commonly shared disasters along the way."
Robbie's enthusiasm was such that it wore Neil down.
It is hard, however, not to conclude that they must both have received unwelcome flak for their decision to collaborate. For there was more than a hint of touchy defiance when Robbie Robertson said, "When I worked with Neil on BEAUTIFUL NOISE a lot of people asked, 'Is this a put on? This doesn't fit.' And I felt like, 'Don't tell me what fits. I'll SHOW you what fits!"
Too independently minded to be influenced by outside elements, the two men knew that what was important was that it worked for them.
"Dry Your Eyes"...
Levon Collage
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Posted by:Steve
Boo Blue. The smart money is on the teams that couldn't play above 500 ball to take the Super Duper Bowl this year. If you're lucky enough to get in losing every other game, you are unstoppable. Arizona!
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Posted by:Tim
Location: BostonSubject: Lone Star
hey FriendO, glad to hear that we probably crossed paths that night. Looking back its amazing that I got to see a Rock and Roll Hall of fame caliber band in a club that held, what 2-300 TOPS. my favorite gig of about 10 Times I saw them during those early reunion years. In a non related topic, I had to go to a gymnastics event Friday night to see my niece and it was at Cousens Gym at Tufts University in Medford MA, very old, very big place, I was trying to picture where The stage would have been when they played there in 1970 or 71. Also watched a documentary about 100 anniversary of Harvard Stadium this weekend, mentioned concerts there in the 60's and 70's (bob marley, james taylor) no mention of The Band but did note it was the site of Janis Joplins last concert. the rest of the documentary was of course football related. Great building.
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: Jerry Penfound
Also, any word on Jerry?
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: Rosalind and Steve
I went to a small concert last for this band around my town and they ended with The Weight. It sucked, the guy who fronted The Band refered to the song as a song we all knew but could never remember where we heard it. He forgot the first few words. I snarfed.
Anyways, I'm glad Ros agrees with me that the Dead suck sooo much. And Steve, I'm surprised you've thought I've been on these boards for 3 years now. It's only been almost two years since I first got into the Band, and not even a year since I've been on these boards. I decided to check these guys out aftering catching a little of Last Waltz on VH1 aand having caught it in the middle of the film, the first song I saw was "Dixie". It was like an epiphany, I couldn't turn away from the TV.
Thanks VH1 (??)
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Posted by:rosalind
Just wondering how old Richard's kids would be now? forty or something?
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Posted by:Steve
Don't believe him he has a bad reputation when it comes to buying beer. He'll slip you a kid's book ( 0% alcohol content) and call it even. hey I just realized the book contains as much alcohol as the most popular beer in the US so maybe the debt was paid in full(no, less filling).@@
(~~~)
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Posted by:Lars
Location: Our ValleySubject: calumnies
Jan- Are you the one whose been saying that when Hitler sent Denmark an ultimatum in 1940, he made the Danes pay the postage (C.O.D.)? That hurt real bad.
I'll buy you a beer the next time you're over. In a clean glass.
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My link
.. good song
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Posted by:Jean
Subject: Speaking of Classic Albums and what about Coal Miner's DaughterI was channel surfing the other night and came across the last 45 minutes of The Doors movie which was followed by Classic Albums featuring The Doors debut album. I've never been a Doors fan and have always found Jim Morrison very unappealing and neither the movie nor Classic Albums did anything to change that. The movie reviews indicate that Oliver Stone (as usual) was a little over the top in the portrayal, but still - the '60's really take a beating. It was, however, interesting to juxtapose the scenes in the movie with where The Band/Dylan were and what each band was doing at that time.
Have we ever had a discussion about Levon's performance in Coal Miner's Daughter? I watched it a couple of times over the last several weeks and I think he does a pretty good job with his role.
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Posted by:Steve
Plochman Lane, too bad about Middle Earth, I hope they don't get rid of the inflatable bear on the top of the Hungry Bear next( a true landmark).Ari, haven't you been 17 for 3 years now?You just practicing for when you get ancient like Roz, who's Forever Young.
Roz Too bad about the Big Foot post. I enjoyed it. Good thing Ari didn't run into Big Foot in the cemetery in Woodstock.
Well said, well said, well said, Jeff0.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Multi-tracksDavid: Multi-tracks, Yes, of course, I wasn’t thinking. the “Classic albums” was the multi-tracks, and the Gold remastering is on the stereo mixdown. So it won’t be anywhere near as radical as Robbie Robertson’s new versions of “Music From Big Pink” and “The Last Waltz” on DVD-Audio with 5.1 surround sound. Those must have been from the multi tracks and were remixes rather than remasters.
That reminded me of two things. One a discussion after “Classic Albums” on how interesting it would be to be able to buy a computer program with the full multi track as separate tracks. Two, that Peter Gabriel did that about twenty years ago. There was a computer program for Mac where you could visit his Real World studio, walk around virtually, explore archives, listen to rarities etc. There was also a full playable multi track of a recent song. You could manipulate the virtual slider, save a remix and revert to the original master to compare. It was a lot of fun. I assume it would now only be playable if I could get one of my museum of old Macs working.
At the time, in interviews, Peter Gabriel talked about a future where you could (re-) buy all your favourite albums with a multi track facility. It was long, long ago and as far as I remember he only presented one song in this format and I think there were only five or six tracks rather than eight or sixteen… and memory and storage size would probably have made a whole album prohibitive. But nowadays it would be pretty easy with a DVD carrier and a program. But it never happened. It’s one to file with the Videophone and the Flying Car. Something one can manufacture, but for which there is insufficient demand.
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Posted by:rosalind
It's a Cold Dog Soup kind a nite here Joe.. Polar Bear? Ya know, runnin' into Big Foot ain't really a "wow this is really cool" feeling like you might think it would be. It's actually and "Oh no, run run.... oh look... looky at that... NO!... hide ..hide sneak and hide and watch.. NO! Just run.. Just relax__________ and run like hell to the car and drive real fast" kinda feeling.Ari - The Dead suck! I was always really disappointed that they were so closely associated in people's minds.
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Posted by:joe j
Subject: rosI dunno Ros. It was the post of the year for me. I've been tryin' ever since to come up with a suitable response. Ain't no use in tryin'. You said it all.
I've got a polar bear story I've been holdin' back. Needs to be fine tuned.
It's been a Merle Haggard kind of night.
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
VH-1 Classic is about as cool a mainstream media as it gets relative to rock music, but we don't agree w/ the top ten list of male rock singers recently presented. Robert Plant is cool, but Axl & Bono just don't cut it. They have both fronted cool R 'n R bands, but @ least Richard should have been right up there. Beleive us, we realize The Band was not the commercial promotion that a VH-1 is looking for, but Richard, Rick & Levon should not be omitted from such a list.
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
On the A Musical History it states that Jam / King Harvest video is @ J2R's studio. Isn't it actually Grossman's Bearsville Studios? Did J2R co-own the studio?
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
Give TLW the nod. The Talking Heads is a cool band & Stop Make Sense is legit, but no doc can hold a candle to the overall talent presented in TLW.
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Posted by:Fred
Subject: Stop Making Sense vs. The Last WaltzSo the score would be tied at 4-4, with the advantage in wardrobe going to TLW.
How shall we decide the tie-break? Sudden death overtime? Penalty Shootout?
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
Jim Weider's performance @ Pawling's The Towne Crier cancelled tonight due to the snow storm. Levon's Midnight Ramble w/ Hubert Sumlin still a go.
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
Web: My link
Middle Earth's link.
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
Fred: And Van made that wardrobe choice @ the last minute thanks to possibly J2R's prodding I believe? I think Van had some "wardrobe stage fright." Besides J2R's scarf & Diamond's amber vision, Van's outfit is TLW's kicker:).
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
It's unfortunate to see the demise of a number of great venues. Bow Thayer's stomping ground in Bradford, VT (w/ in 10-15 mins from Dillon's speeding arrest location) called Middle Earth closed this past Summer. Very cool venue w/ cool decor, but suffered from decreased attendance. When we caught Ollabelle this past Sept in VT, both Glenn & Byron stated that recent attendance to smaller venues has decreased due to the economy.
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Posted by:Fred
Subject: Stop Making Sense vs. The Last WaltzWhat I want to know is who would score more points in the Richard techno-coloured suit/Van Morrison, erm. jumper vs. David Byrne oversized Jacket contest?
sadly this wasn't addressed in the article Angelina linked.
BTW, how's it going Angelina? Hope all is irie : )
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
The Last Waltz is a cool flick, but The Lost Waltz, although poor in visual, is the real Last Waltz. Undoctored & truly depicts how amazing these guys performed.
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
BEG: Matt Dillon was just busted about 45 mins north of our home last wkd doing 106 mph on I-91 in VT. He has to return to Orange County Court Jan 21st. I met him a couple of times on Martha's Vineyard Summer of '92. Decent guy for the most part. Had just broken his leg or foot due to either playing a pick up game of hoops or on the set of Singles...depends on which story you believe. He briefly said it was due to a hoops game after a buddy & I, along w/ Matt's plastered sidekick, tried to chase down some kid who stole Matt's baseball cap @ a local bar.
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Posted by:brown eyed girl
Web: My linkStop Making Sense vs. The Last Waltz
Stop Making Sense: 4, The Last Waltz: 3
By: David Holmes
Published on: 2007-08-30
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Posted by:brown eyed girl
Web: My linkPages Previewed of _The Last Waltz of The Band_ By Neil Minturn, Michael J. Budds 2005.
One of my very best and special New Year's Eve's night out was at The Cutting Room in NYC. Claire Jeffreys had us sitting right at one of the front tables for Garland's amazing show.....I've been to a couple in NYC and more music at his parties at The Jazz Standard and one in Toronto and they're all sooooooooooooo great!!!!! Anyway, buddies like Elliott Murphy, Mick Jones of Foreigner and Willy Nile helped bring in the New Year as well. Actor and owner Chris Noth was hanging at the end of our long table while actor Matt Dillon was talking too loudly at the next table!!!!! At the time I thought he was the other owner so I didn't give him too much hell but I did give him the evil eye!!!! ;-D
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
Subject: Another venue demise.
Jimmy Vivino's common NYC performance spot owned by Steve Walter & actor Chris Noth The Cutting Room will close its doors this Monday evening due to increased rent.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: Deletion? Because of What?That was a true story. I didn't cuss in it and it meant something to me. It was harmless. Why was it deleted? Not that I'll actual get an answer but..
Hey Joan, I was born the day the music died. February 3rd 1959
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Posted by:John W.
Location: NYC
Sad to hear about the old Lone Star, though it's been gone for a long time. I remember hanging out there with Levon, meeting Rick, the Woodstock All Stars, and lots of other Band friends. My brother danced on the stage once while Chuck Berry was playing. Also sad to see, the demolition of Shea Stadium is really moving along now. It looks like a post apocalyptic shell of its old self, the steel is all exposed and soon there will be nothing but a parking lot. Yeah it was a dump, but 40 years of memories - the Mets, the Jets, the Stones, Simon & Garfunkel, Springsteen - sad to see the place coming down piece by piece.
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: Jerry Penfound
I keep hearing about this additional sax player for The Hawks. Can anybody help me out with this guy. Where'd Ronnie find home, where's he from? Was he even with Ronnie or did the guys just pick him after Ronnie.
When did he leave the Hawks, why, how? Is he still alive?
Thank you.
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: The death of the killer of Hattie Carrol
From the NY Times, the obituary of the killer from Dylan's Lonesome Death of Hattie Carrol
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Posted by:David P.
Peter: The session multi-tracks were used for The Band Classic Album video, rather than the two-track mixdown master. This allowed them isolate and highlight the various tracks with the studio mixing board. It appears, from looking at the equipment, that the multi-track tapes were transferred to digital workstation beforehand.
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Posted by:Lars
Location: Strictly from desperationSubject: One More Time
(Thumping my big boot on the floor as loud as I can) ENCORE!!!!
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Posted by:Friend0
Location: And I'm Going Back Where I Came FromSubject: The Actual Correct Post I Meant To Make To Start With
No argument on individuals of all ages having degrees of talent ranging from poor to genuine gawd damn genius.
What was unusual about the music of The Band is simple. It was a melding of five genuine genius natural and realized talents that stimulated, enhanced, complemented and spotlighted each and every individual talent while presenting the work of an ensemble, that neither believed in or promoted the superiority of importance of any particular member. The indispensibility of each to the collective sound and work of art was probably very unspoken, but very much understood.
The greatness and uniqueness of the music was not by artificial design,or intent to make something new. It was but a natural phenomena of five geniuses in tune with what each other was playing and for the most part, the familiarity with the same musics that each was exposed to. Garth had a musical backgorund in jazz and classical music that the others did not, however, he also had exposure to and an easy grasp of the musics the other 4 knew like the back of their hands. It was the natural extension of what they were playing, influenced by their unique abilities and signatures, and possibly a succeeding main desire to serve the music,not themselves, that was responsible for what The Band created.
Before anyone accuses me of naivete, I'm not forgetting the fact that by the time they were The Band they were free of fianncial concerns and some of them were having the time of their lives. But they did also make the music they made for the sake of making the music they made. They had no commercial angle. They played what they truly wanted to play. And nothing since then has rivaled it.
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Posted by:Friend0
Subject: What I meant to writeWhat was unusual about THE MUSIC OF THE The Band is simple. It was a melding of five genuine genius natural and realized talents that stimulated, enhanced, complemented and spotlighted each and every individual talent while presenting the work of an ensemble, that neither believed in or promoted the superiority of importance of any particular member. The indispensibility of each to the collective sound and work of art was probably very unspoken, but very much understood.
Shows you how important a few words is and losing your train of thought for a final second. Of course this requires removal of my 2 sentences re The Last waltz. I added them at the end, having talked too long to the other passengers, missed my station and stayed on the train too long.
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Posted by:Friend0
Peter , I think it may be important that I point out that I didn't used to call you Tex because it positioned you next to Arkansas on the map of the U.S.
Oh, the good old days!
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Posted by:Friend0
No argument on individuals of all ages having degrees of talent ranging from poor to genuine gawd damn genius.The following is a statement that essentially applies to the Pre Last Waltz period, but it extends to some performances in The Last Waltz as well. And of course so much of the material in The Last waltz was created previously. And it is the 16 years previous that led to The Last Waltz.
What was unusual about The Band is simple. It was a melding of five genuine genius natural and realized talents that stimulated, enhanced, complemented and spotlighted each and every individual talent while presenting the work of an ensemble, that neither believed in or promoted the superiority of importance of any particular member. The indispensibility of each to the collective sound and work of art was probably very unspoken, but very much understood.
The greatness and uniqueness of the music was not by artificial design, intent to make something new. It was but a natural phenomena of five geniuses in tune with what each other was playing and for the most part, the familiarity with the same musics that each was exposed to. Garth had a musical backgorund in jazz and classical music that the others did not, however, he also had exposure to and an easy grasp of the musics the other 4 knew like the back of their hands. It was the natural extension of what they were playing, influenced by their unique abilities and signatures, and possibly a succeeding main desire to serve the music,not themselves, that was responsible for what The Band created. Before anyone accuses me of naivete, Ilm not forgetting the fact that by the time they were The Band they were free of fianncial concerns and some of them were having the time of their lives. But they did also make the music they made for the sake of making the music they made.
They had no commercial angle. They played what they truly wanted to play. And nothing since then has rivaled it.
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Posted by:Peter V
Alphabetical order … anyone noticed that Fleet Foxes find themselves next to Fleetwood Mac. i wonder if that's deliberate. It wouldn't be the first time such an alphabetical choice was made (though I forget the other examples).
On younger musicians, while few can match The Band, there will always be someone who's that good. It happens in every human field. Several musicians have been interviewed about their new, much younger bands and praised them highly. Leonard Cohen's band does just about the full range of ages from the Webb Sisters to Len. They're all brilliant. Some people have natural musical talent of the highest order, and each generation does it the same.
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Posted by:jh
Amen to that, Jeff.
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Posted by:Friend0
Same for me Tim. Last time I saw Richard perform. Those were smoking shows. The entire Band was on fire. I was there for almost every show of the stand, 2 shows a night. The place was mobbed, staircase and all, as you'll remember. You look back and realize that was close to half a lifetime away for many of us. We're for damn sure a whole lot older. The Band's music however, ain't dated at all. Very Generally speaking, take your average in shape young whipper snapper, put he or she up against your average middle aged in shape person. Judging only by feats of strength and stamina, the young whipper snapper gonna outperform the middle aged person. Not so with The Band and new music. Ain't no new band yet out musicalized The Band. When it comes to msuciality, all of em, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Guns and Roses, etc etc etc etc, none of em were as musical. the only thing that dates The Band's musc is how gawd damn great it is.
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Posted by:Tim
Location: BostonWeb: My link
Subject: Lone Star Cafe
Looks like the old Lone Star Cafe is coming down. It was the last place I saw Richard Manuel (with The Band) in Feb 86.
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Posted by:Mike & Kim (Plochmann Lane)
Web: My linkSubject: Happy 74th b'day to "The Hawk!"
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Posted by:Serenity
Web: My linkSubject: Led Zepplin
Another rather sad info on this great group.
Luvya all xoxoxo
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Posted by:Serenity
Web: My linkSubject: Bob Dylan
Hi all!! Here's something I came across and thought some of you might want to see/hear it.
Until next time LOVE AND PEACE XOXOXOXO
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My link
Anyone know how much of this show is out there on video of this quality?
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My link
Richard Manuel's amazing voice.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Syria Mosque
Charlie Y they are all on Youtube.
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: Syriana Mosque
The first 4 cuts on this compilation are from the Syriana Mosque. Not great quality, but good enough.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: bey0nd h0pe, BCWeb: My link
Subject: Frank "Sugar Chile" Robinson
Here's "Sugar Chile" again, that boogie woogie phenom kid from the late '40's. Thanks Joan for your link. The article really filled in all the blanks. My mom played jazz piano in a bar in the '40's so I'll have to see if she remembers anything about this "kid" (who'd be 68 by now). Sounds like he was quite the rage, playing with Basie and all, till he hit the age of about 12.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Location: Down in Old VirginnySubject: The Band in Pittsburgh, 1970
I've just watched the film footage of The Band shot by a European film crew in Pittsburgh's Syria Mosque as they performed "Time to Kill" and "The Weight" back in 1970. The performance is mesmerizing and I'd love to see more. Does anyone know if the whole concert was filmed and if it exists in an uncut version? One of the frustrating things about YouTube is that it sometimes leaves the viewer wanting extended and better quality versions of what they offer.
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Posted by:Friend0
I forgot to mention that the noise reduction issue effecting the IPS(inches per second) we used only came into play becuase something else wasn't functioning properly. I don't recall the details fully presently. But, I had grilled the studio owner up front, and likely forgot to ask this question. But it was his obligation to tell me this, especially since this sort of thing effects how much tape you use. Our conversation took place less than a week before the session ( session came together fast), so it's not like he didn't know. And he didn't use his 2" real often anymore, so I doubt it just happened. he just didn't think to tell me, and I missed that one question.Believe it or not, you have to check evrything, from a guarantee that the 2" machine will be calibrated first , or was very recently calibrated and you still check it with a fine tooth comb, , to the fucking tape counter working. it is ridiculous, but i've seen that one too.
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Posted by:Friend0
If someone is at the point they are baking tape, the first time you play the tape you transfer it to some other storage. In pre digital days that would have meant to another tape. Today you'd do well to transfer it to another tape and to a hard drive at the same time. Easily enough accomplished.
I have one tape that if ever i have to play it again we'll be baking it first. A session I did in Woodstock, back in 02, i had either 2 or 3 rolls of brand new tape shipped to the studio. I was planning on recording at 30 IPS, which is what i had done the other times i recorded. In this case the studio owner /engineer had not bothered to tell me that for some reason i dontl recall exactly right now, but had to do with noise reduction, he only runs 2" in 15 IPS. Sur e picked a helluva time to tell me, huh? Anyway, we were cutting two 6 to 7 minute long songs, and cut two versions of one other song, so doing the math it was clear I was gonna need another roll. So the studio owner said I have a old used and cleaned roll you can buy from me. I asked him, you sure it's fine? He said oh yeah nothing wrong with it. We did cut one long song to that tape.3 of the songs on that session ended up on the record i was cutting then. i saved two from the session for a later thing, & i had different vocalists add vocals in early 04. By the time we were done mixing the song on the older used and cleaned tape, the tape was starting to deteriorate. The song is mixed to tape, so I should be done with the original 2". But if i ever have to throw that tape on again, I'll be baking it and transferring it to tape and digital simultaneously.
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My link
Ari, here's the link to Levon's studio. There is contact info on the page. Good luck.
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Posted by:Peter V
Baking tapes: once. Then one pass over the heads, copying them as you do. then they’ve had it in most cases. I know a guy who spent years archiving tape and preserving copies. I’ve posted this before, but fifties tape has lasted very well, sixties too. In the seventies various clever metallic coatings improved range but the plastic carrier and adhesive were not as durable, and seventies tapes are usually worse than older ones. 1969 sounds promising. They took out the tapes for that Band Calassic Albums DVD, when Robbie was playing around with levels and showing different parts.
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Posted by:Ari S. (whoops the one below me says Jean)
Subject: Thanks
I appreciate the advice everyone (sorry I hadn't seen your post Todd, I don't know why). I just read it, and I see that it may have been a good thing I didn't see Levon. I will also take out that section about the guy being a dumbass (and I already took out the part about stealing his drumming secrets. I didn't intend on sending Levon a copy.) Thanks for the idea of sending it Joan and thank you too Lil. I appreciate the advice.
I used to have IMDb pro when I was shooting a film and I need contact information for Billy Preston's people and Levon's people for permission in using a song (i couldn't reach Robbie at Capitol.) Of course, I thought the process was silly to get permission to use a song in a short film for a kid not even in 11th grade (this was a few years ago). Anyways Billy Preston's people didn't seem to care and just said go right ahead and use it. I had to call LHS for use of "Just Another Whistle Stop" and through IMDb pro I was given Levon's studio number. Since then, I stopped using Pro so I no longer have the number or email for Levon Helm studios. Anybody know how I could send the story or at least contact them?
Thanks again.
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Posted by:Keith Simpson
Location: IowaWeb: My link
Subject: Admiration
I just wanted to express my admiration to the members of "The Band". I grew up with the music, lived alot of the same time of "era" memory's. Had the pleasure of being a Union stagehand for 18 years. I've had the luck of expierencing so much and blessed to have music be a large motavational force during my life. I lived in the right time to be able to "soak in The Band"... and long enough to "get it"...and I'm a better man for it.
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Posted by:charles k
Location: joshua treeSubject: great white wonder
i arrived here researching the ' great white wonder ', dylans boot record of 1969... i have one that i got in 69 , only it doesnt have any pics or markings other than GWW, does anyone know anything about this , other than whats on WIKIPEDIA , thanks
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Posted by:David P.
Todd: Since the original master of The Brown Album has not been used for any previous CD reissues, hopefully it hasn't suffered from too much wear & tear. (A prime example of a master that have suffered excessive wear is the stereo mix of Dylan's "Blonde On Blonde", which became too "worn out" to use around the mid to late 70s. Subsequent stereo CD version have been sourced from new remixes from the session multi-tracks.) The final mixes for each song are divided onto several reels of tape, often arranged in a different running order than what is decided upon for the release version.
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTSubject: Baking Tape
Thanks David. It seems like wear and tear would be the biggest risks. Guess they've gotta be careful who they sign these things out to. Thanks also for the link. I don't have the highest end equipment, but I'm looking forward to hearing the mixes as originally intended from the original masters.
Jeff, I had heard about baking tapes in an oven to bring them back to life, but I wonder how many times that can be done.
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Posted by:Bill M
Subject: ask an expert
Landmark: Thanks! Good to know that that tagline's not going to waste now that Bumbles has found something else to do.
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: Sugarchile Robinson
NB, your post sent me looking. Quite amazing.
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Posted by:Landmark
Location: MontrealSubject: Ask An Expert
That would be Michel "Plume" Latraverse.
Funny that Bill was probably ramblin' 'round Europe at that point and you were probably skating endless extra laps for Louuuu in a darkened fieldhouse in Providence during Plume's heyday.
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Posted by:Steve
Maybe they should store the tapes in water. I watched a program about the history of the movie industry in Canada. IMax, a Canucklehead invention, was covered in the doc. The first film shot was aboard a canoe. The camera was in the back of the canoe so you could see the paddler in the front and the scenery ahead of him.All of a sudden the canoe starts to tip with the camera still filming as everything goes underwater.
The crew starts to freak out about their film and camera. They call the technical people who tell them no problem with the film as long as they keep it submerged in water til they get it to them. The film, and, I think, the camera survived.
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Posted by:Steve
It's not Charlebois, Bill, but I'll be damned if I can remember who it is or the song. I know the song just from your slurred clued, maybe Landy will drop by and it ill ring a bell for him. For some reason I keep associating it with a snippet from another song, "bobby pin". I was really warming up to that woman singer in One Hundred Dollars by Black Gold.
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Posted by:Bill M
Subject: weighty matters
Peter V: Thanks to Mike's video, there's yet another meaning of "your rack" that you might want to add to your discussion of "The Weight".
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
Web: My linkSubject: Country Music's ode to end global fighting.
Seen it work @ arena concerts w/ big screens:).
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Posted by:Friend0
Todd, some tapes that have begun to deteriorate get restored in convection ovens.
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Posted by:David P.
Web: My link
Sorry, there's a problem with that link. Try this one.
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Posted by:David P.
Web: My linkTodd: Most tapes, if stored properly, can remain in good condition for many years. There is, however, a problem associated with the adhesive used by a certain brand of tape. The main problem can come from wear & tear if the master tape is used over & over for various production copies, which often happens with big-selling popular releases over time.
Mastering specialist Steve Hoffman does not use a digital workstation, instead relying on vintage & customized gear for his projects. (See link above for details)
JQ: Yes, I believe the new version will be noticeably better than the AMH versions, in that it will be faithful representation of the sound on the original tapes, rather than version that has been digitally manipulated to sound modern to comtemporary ears (i.e. squeezed by compression to sound LOUD with added EQ high-end harshness).
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Howlin @ 50 Knots
Jesus this wind is starting to get me down.
Steve: That's good to know, and I'm going to take your word and give it a try, because I'm quite a fan of Johnny Depp, eg. Donnie Brasco, From Hell, Edward Sissorhand etc.
The problem I have with a lot of movies, when you do a lot of work with equipment, and watch some of the really stupid special effects. I have worked a lot with helicopters etc. One that was really dumb was Sly Stalone's, "Cliff Hanger".
I liked your question Brian, I felt the same way. All this reissue just seems at times to be a money grab.
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Posted by:Bill M
Subject: 100 Dollars
Kristie / NB / Steve / Landmark: I second Steve's emotion re the worth of 100 Dollars, though I heard just the second and third songs - on CBC radio's Q show hosted by Gian Ghomeshi from Moxy Fruvous. I was going to post similarly. A couple minutes later, what should be blasting over the sidewalk, out of a store next to the one I was headed to, but a wonderful song, "Alcool" peut-etre, by someone who sure sounded like Charlebois. I had to stop and listen; it being cold, I admit to being relieved that it was already almost finished before I got there. Unlike over the weekend when I got to a different store only a minute into Nina Simone's awesome 10-minute version of "Sinner Man". My wife was sitting in a coffeeshop window across the street, and couldn't figure out why I was just standing there seeming to go deep inside myself, then come out again, then go in again ...
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Posted by:Todd
Subject: The Brown Album
David P, This all sounds good....original mixes...original master...I'm excited about the project, but I'm curious about the age of the tape and what effect that might have on the quality. At almost 40 years old, what effect does time play? Does the strength of the magnetic information diminish? Does print through cause degradation in situations like this? Does an old tape track the same way on newer equipment? I'm sure that there are digital workarounds for all of these situations, but could we be at the point where any new transfer from the original source tape will never be as good as what was mastered for LP back when the tape was new? Obviously proper storage of the tapes play a factor, but are these real concerns, or is it splitting hairs? Just curious.
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Posted by:Bill M
BEG: You can take he's a gezulu off the case; the LP's gone.
Jack / David P: Given the number of years that've gone by, I imagine that Norma's cat is named Wolf by now.
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Brown Album re-issueDavid P -
Do you think the quality will be noticeably better than the Brown Album tracks on A Musical History?
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Posted by:Ilkka Jauramo
Location: Nordic CountriesSubject: Song And Dance Man
I agree with Peter. It is a good reading. It is also a good example of so called "new criticism" in literature science which simply means: forget biography, read the text.
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Posted by:Steve
Joan I saw a bit of Elvis 25 but had to turn it off. I couldn't watch Elvis as a hologram, at least that's what he appeared to be at times. I also thought the side by side comparisons of band members( Then and Now, sort of)was completely bizarre. The audio alone might have been great but I couldn't watch it .
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Posted by:Steve
Norm the first Pirate movie was worth a watch just for Depp's performance. He was the movie and he made it worth the price of admission. No real plot to mention, Orlando Bloom and the female lead both sucked but as I said Johnny's worth spending the time.The second one went downhill and I went to the third one just because my 15 year old son and his friends needed a ride. I actually was asleep about 20 minutes into it in spite of the volume of the movie being equivalent to the roar of 747's taking off.
At one point I woke up and went to the bathroom and could hear the movie at an acceptable level from there.
Kristie I've been searching for new music, written by the performers,that is worth listening to. I think I found some. One Hundred Dollars fits the bill for me. I think they released their first album in April. Recorded in one day, all live off the floor, no dubbing. I heard three songs this morning and each one was more appealing than the previous one. The third one,Black Gold was great.
Written about the oil boom in Fort McMurray. Give it a listen if you don't already know it. Country alt\punk or as they describe their music; what country might have become if it hadn't been high jacked by " New Country".
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: The New Brown Album CD Remaster
As I mentioned, this is the first time that the original master has been available for a CD version. Previous digital versions have been sourced from later generation safety copies of the tapes, whereas the Brown Album cuts the AMH box set were apparently remixed from the multi-tracks. The new Audio Fidelity CD will be sourced from the original mixes and most notably will feature clarity, detail & dynamic range not found on previous CD versions.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Audio fidelity etcBrien makes a fair point. I have one highish end system and several lesser ones. I'd only expect new revelations on the best one with a decent amount of volume too. At low volume levels, or transferred to an iPod, or on all but professional headphones, on BOSE CD / radio alarm systems you're not going to notice a lot I'd guess. It should show on a medium quality hi-fi system with decent speakers … not little ones either. On the other hand, with the Brown album I'll buy one. If there's one hint of a whisper of an extra brush-wire on a cymbal, or just a tiny touch more control on the bass, or a tiny breathed nuance on the vocal, I'll go for it. There may not be. It might just have more treble and bass and be a waste. But it's worth the risk for The Brown album.
I've spent this week re-addicted to the De Luxe edition of "Catch A-Fire". That definitely sounds better than earlier CDs, even in the car. The issued album is Disc Two. Disc one is the Wailers original BEFORE Island added Wayne Perkins on guitar and Rabbit Bundrick on organ. I'm in the school that the additions are one of the all-time brilliant production ideas in rock. That was an album that hit me damn near as hard as Music From Big Pink on initial release. And it still sounds sublime.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Ros, speaking of birthdays
Ros you mentioned an upcoming birthday, No date given, but my wishes for a Happy one and many more.
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Posted by:Brien Sz
As someone who's eaers are not trained for listening to subtle differences in mixes - what could I expect different from this gold remix as compared to the last set of cd remixes that came out. How much difference will there be? More bass, less bass, more seperation, less seperation, crisper sounds? For me, it is not worth the drop of cash unless there is something of a difference that is tangible to me. And since I do not have high end fidelty of any sort, would it be worth the money?
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Posted by:David P.
Web: My linkSubject: New Brown Album Remaster
Thanks to Alex Miller for mentioning that the upcoming Audio Fidelity gold-CD remaster of "The Band" is available for pre-order. FYI: It's scheduled to be released in March (see link). This limited edition was remastered by Steve Hoffman from the original Capitol master mixes, which have not been avialable for any previous CD versions. Also of interest, the Audio Fidelity website shows a tracklist that includes one bonus cut -- "Get Up Jake".
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Posted by:rosalind
And Lo and Behold there just happened to be a camera all set up to catch the entire segment. Roll'em
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: Unannounced visits
This topic reminds me of the scene in the John Lennon documentary 'Imagine' where the unwashed hippie kid shows up at Lennon's door asking about the lyrics to 'Carry That Weight' and John is hopelessly trying to explain 'that's Paul's song', then invites him in for breakfast.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Johnny Depp
Not ever having watched these pirate movies of young Mr Depp's, I know nothing about them except they looked awfully stupid. However Mr Depp really is a pirate.
On CBC's "The Hour" this morning, young George reports that Mr Depp has just signed on four a 4th Pirate movie to be paid the highest amount ever paid an actor for a movie.
61 million dollars.
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
Web: My linkSubject: Music-related b'days.
Big day in music-related b'days: Les Paul (94), Joan Baez (68), Jimmy Page (65), Dave Matthews (42), Lance Hoppen of Woodstock, NY-formed Orleans (55), Paul King of Blue Oyster Cult (61) & the late great Buddy Scott (74) whose grandmother performed w/ The Band's musical influence Sonny Boy Williamson.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Song and Dance Man
Michael Gray's Song and Dance Man is a very good read for those who (like me) are interested in dissection of lyrics. It shows how often (as with Robbie) multiple meanings can be incorporated in a word or line.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Dylan Encylopaedia
Yes, Michael Gray spent years on it and it is very detailed. The second edition (I believe) deletes a couple of mildly unfortunate Band-related comments.
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
Web: My linkSubject: Dylan Encyclopedia.
Dlew: We have the Encyclopedia & it's a decent culmination of Dylan stuff, but it does leave out key figures in Dylan's life, such as Elliott Landy (but oddly enough includes Bob Seeger). Some folks discussed in the book are thoroughly covered & others are so-so. Borders & other bookstores of the like usually carry it, so if you have one near you, you should be able to scan it before potentially buying it.
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Posted by:dlew919
Subject: The Dylan Encyclopaedia...
Is it any good? Saw it today, just wondering...
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Posted by:Steve
Roz, I've always thought you were a film critic.
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Posted by:Brien Sz
Roz - I don't think Viola got ripped off. At least in my estimation. She did a superb job in her part. It was a gripping scene from the film, but she was in it for 5-7 minutes (so it seemed). I'm not one who necessarily supports giving awards for very small roles. I certainly wouldn't mind if she won, but I thought the part was very small in context to the entire film. I know they have given out awards to people for small parts in the past but I generally don't agree with it. Just my two cents.
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Posted by:Peter V
I agree with Todd and Lil, Ari. An unannounced visit to anybody from a stranger could just be a "wrong time" visit. However friendly people are, there are times when they're heavily involved in their basic personal lives and not open to chat to strangers.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: NEVER Listen To Critics!Those dip-shits'll steer ya wrong ev'ry time!
Case&Point - Tonite Critic's Choice Awards that aired on VH-1...?
It was obviously to everyone who took the time to seek out "Doubt" that Viola Davis was the best act of the year AND should've garnered AT LEAST the critic's award, BUT NOOOOO.. what happened was this. They sent Angela Bassett out there as a presenter. Good Sign? (should have been since there were two black women nominated in this catagory this year.) She stood up there with a strangely disappointed "Why am I here?" look on her face while these stupid uninformed brainless critics gave this supporting actress award to KATE FUCKING WINSLETT! Not that she wasn't any good BUT she WASN"T the best! Viola Davis took it up the ass! And that brings us to "Milk" Yeah, Sean Penn won for "Milk". They pass up the most heartfelt gem in the lot and give it to a guy with a tub full of Oscars in his house. He probably has one propping open his garage door. But, due to the fact that everyone in Hollywood's either gay or pandering to the gay community... yeah...
Band connection? Didn't Robbie go to Dylan's house and beg him to call David Geffen and apologize so that Geffen would stop rubbing up against Robbie and crying big salty girly-boy tears in public?
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: beyond Hope, BCWeb: My link
Subject: "Caldonia"
Frank "Sugar Chile" Robinson .
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Ari
I agree with Lil and the others. I wouldn't just "drop in". I was the person who suggested you send your adventure piece to Levon. That might open the door. Good luck!
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: sloppy
Jeff clean up your typing and spelling, 'bout the only thing you did right was grrrr!
Jesus lord gawd!
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Posted by:Friend0
Location: yemensveltheard cathedrals by joan osborne on the car radio again today.
like i said, i ve admired the song., though part of the chorus lyric has some strong ambiguity to it. There are some very unusual thoughts, and i can't decide if it is just clumsy wording, or if she is trying to say something very complicated and also very personal to say. I think the latter. And i have though of several interpretations.
like i said before, the singing is first rate, as is the performance by all the players, and the production. today i heard some incredible reverb or delay effect on the vocal pretty far into the song. It was cool.
Rrrrrrruuf!
Grrrrrrrrr
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Visitation rights
Ari; You've received some good thoughts here. I think Todd has given you the best advise you could follow. Put yourself in another man's shoes for a moment.
Consider if there was 100 young folks like you, who geniunely were respectful of the person they very much admired, and wanted to meet. So day after day, they show up on your door step for a hand shake or an autograph. Think how you would feel about it. So don't just consider your feelings, consider the other fellow.
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Posted by:Lil
Ari: Hi. I just read your posts and want to say something. I can understand your wanting so much to meet Levon, and I know if and when you do get to meet him, he'll be very happy to meet you as well. However, showing up, uninvited, at his house is not a good idea. Just as your home is your privacy, his home is his privacy. Being a 'public figure' doesn't mean it's ok for anyone to just show up at his house.Can I make a suggestion? You can call LHS or e-mail them (you can get that info on Levon's website). They're all real nice people. Tell them who you are and what you'd like to do. Perhaps they could arrange for you to meet Levon at a time where it would be convenient for him. He's a nice man, very friendly, and very gracious.. and I'm sure that's if it's possible to arrange something like that, he'll be more than happy to say hello to you.
Also, keep in mind that you could always go to a Ramble. That would be the perfect opportunity for you to not only get your chance to meet him.. but to hear some amazing music as well.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Location: Down in Old VirginnySubject: Meeting Musicians
Ari: I've been going to see Levon in concert since 1971 but I've never met him either. I did manage to get a copy of his book signed following a show with the reformed version of The Band in Richmond, Virginia, when he signed stuff passed back to him while sitting inside the tour bus. The only time I've visited a musician's home was when a friend and I were invited to visit Bruce Hornsby at his place here in Virginia. In this post-Lennon era I think many musicians are very nervous about strangers on their property. On the other hand, there's a famous story about the young Bruce Springsteen trying to meet Elvis Presley by scaling the walls of Graceland, but that was BEFORE John Lennon was killed.
I was in Richmond, Virginia today and drove by the home of the late, great electic guitar pioneer Sister Rosetta Tharpe (the address was in a great bio I read of her recently). In that neighborhood in 2009 I was a little nervous about my OWN safety.
One last story relating to this whole concept involved baseball legend Cal Ripken who lives in horse country near Hunt Valley, Maryland. The front gate of his very visable estate used to have a giant letter "R" on it until a few years ago when a wacky guy came to Cal's front door completely NAKED. I guess he figured that way Cal could see he wasn't armed. I'm not sure if he asked Cal to sign something...
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Posted by:Friend0
modern" artists. corey chisel. One of his songs been getting a good amount of play for awhile. it has a fair degree of catchiness to it. It’s a live recording and one of the first things that struck me is that his voice is reminiscent of The Bosse's, Springsteen. Not dead on. but the first time i've ever thought that about anyone's voice.The chorus lyrics , well, he does n't think a lot of his ex ladys will power.. “Let me back in your arms…………i know you need me baby.regardless of what you say, I know you’ll see it my way”. I have to admit that I’ve heard the song a couple dozen time on the radio , but I haven’t absorbed the verses. So, I may be taking the chorus out of context. Somehow, I doubt it. I think noticed some rather vpoor use of metaphor. He's not singing as a real seaman s, but he is using the boat, sea metaphors
There is a player in the upper right hand corner of his site. I only listened to a small bit of the other two songs, they didn’t grab me at all.So Wrong For Me is getting radio play too, and he just signed with RCA. Full album coming up.
well, he's got more potential than Jack Johnson. And his voice is better than John Mayer's.
www.corychisel.com
Links ain't working somehow. I posted the link, previewed, tried the link, got a message that said the url couldnt be found. Tried it with my own website, same result.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: which ElvoiceWell, so far it's 2 Richards, 2 Ricks, and 60's Elvis. You know funnily enough although I consider Richard first among equals, and though I possibly consider Rick second among equals, if it was to save my life I think I might go for Levon. It's a true voice you wouldn't want to mess with. Anyway, no band ever had three singers that good. Not even the Rubettes.
I got a bit of a bargain at Borders today, which was TheBandTheBand, Stage Fright and Northern Lights CD re-issues for under a fiver each. A sale with my name on. I've been listening to them all on the iPod all these years, I just had Northern Lights loud and proud in the kitchen and can't wait to crank up Stage Fright in the car. I've got the original TheBandTheBand CD but the extras are virtually a whole other CD there. I just need Rawk of Ages and Moondog to complete my remasters set and claim my souvenir pink scarf and personal servant (unfaithful) from Capitol. Islands can stay on the iPod.
I have been checking out the pretty appalling sleeve notes for NLSC, but enjoying the repro of the super-cool and happy promotion poster, one I hadn't seen before. Now that would be something to have on the wall. Next to the Moondog wraparound... I can see them there now... what's that, it's time to get up?
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Posted by:ARI S. (whoops the one below me says Jean)
Subject: Mistake
Sorry I meant that I agree with Jean, that last comment was actually Ari S.
My apologies.
I forgot to say before that I'm really glad you all liked my story. I'm thinking of returning with a friend tommorow to do a similar thing without the cemetery(but he has a house there so will just hang out there). I have been wondering if you all think it IS or IS NOT a good idea to visit Levon. I don't wanna creep him out or anything, but I've heard he is very warm and kind. I thought he might be even happier to know that he still has young fans like me. What do you all think? He's bound to be there because he has Hubert coming the next day.
Thanks
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Posted by:Jean
Yeah I agree with Jean, I wouldn't care if Richard sang the alphabet either. He's not only my favorite singer in the Band but in all rock music.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Which voice
Rick hands down! A compleat and true Dankette answer.
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Web: My link
Great article on Todd Rundgren. Makes me want to seek out his new album and his comments about music are right on.
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Posted by:Steve
JQ, I'm Still listening to RY a couple of weeks on. No end in sight.With dogs and chickens it depends on the dogs and possibly their lifestyle as well.
We keep our birds fenced in in a large yard mostly to keep them out of the garden and possibly safe from a passing stray dog or more likely two stay dogs they always seems to travel in twos around here.
We've had a previous neighbor's two roving dogs kill 50 large roosters after chewing through "chicken" wire to get at them. Uncle Jim forgot to close a door in the coop, the one to the chicken yard' and they were through the wire and then in the door and it was a massacre. Bodies everywhere.
The only border collie I've seen with chickens literally spent most of his life hanging around the chicken yard outside the fence watching the chickens a little too intently , reacting to any quick movements by running around the fence to get as close to the action as possible.
Not a chicken safe breed I'd say. But it was only a sampling of one.
We've probably had 10 dogs over the years and only one killed a chicken. We had a talk and he went another couple of years on good behaviour then ran off with a pack of dogs one day. They chased deer til someone shot them all. They may have killed calves or sheep as well, I'm not sure.
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
Subject: Sorry....I meant to address Luke on the Elvis & Band question.
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Posted by:DEE
Location: WisconsinSubject: French Phrase
STEVE and JOAN: This time it's a bow to the French. I like JFB's translation of the phrase and though my previous cats were gray, prefer it to the English phrase.
The current Head of the Household is a black, long-haired domestic cat.
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Posted by:Jean
Subject: Luke's QuestionElvis in the '60's - and preferably wearing that black leather outfit from the Comeback Special.
Band Voice - Richard and I wouldn't care if he was singing the alphabet song.
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: If I could just pick one Band voice
I'll go with Rick's. Hard to choose just one and leave out Levon or Richard, but to answer the question below as stated, that's gotta be my answer.
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: sorry, that last one of mine was meant for Steve
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: dogs and chickens
How does your flock interact with your dogs? Here I think it's pretty incredible - since I've been told that the main killer of chickens are domestic dogs - that both groups get along very well; if anything the dogs give the birds a wide berth.
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
Web: My link
Jeff: I agree that Elvis in the '60s was his peak. "Little less conversation & a little more satisfaction...." Not to sound cliche, but tough call on which Band member to choose. Each one fit the song he was vocally featured or co-featured. During the pre-Band era, Richard was fitting for the music style. During The Band era, all three were separately & harmoniously amazing.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: more cool catsFriend0, those cats must know they have an effect on you.
Mike's post on El's birthday reminds me of a question I sometimes ask myself which I'll share here. I'll then ask another more controversial question!
If you had Elvis to sing to save your life, which era Elvis would you choose? I reckon his voice was in its absolute peak condition in the mid 60's, when his records were at their worst, with a few exceptions including How Great Thou Art, and then peaked around the '68 Singer Special, when he really sounds as if he's singing for his own life.
And here's the controversial one. If you had to choose Levon, Rick or Richard to sing to save your life (each one in their prime, but you have to say when that was iyho) - who would you choose? I won't say I'd choose Robbie cos that voice could scare the devil, but I do reckon he could trap the grim reaper in an Acadian style tale and finish him off with the licks from Mystery Train or Forbidden Fruit, so full respect and I'm not knocking him. Who's it to be? The stakes is high.
Peter, does your dog-scaring thing work on bailiffs?
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Posted by:Steve
Thanks Dee, old country it is then. I always thought the "between dog and wolf" description of twilight was about the day belonging to the dog ( domesticated and safe) and the night belonging to the wolf ( wild and dangerous), twilight( entre chien et loup) being the transition period in between. Time to build a fire or head indoors. But that was my own interpretation.
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Posted by:Friend0
Yes JQ. Ive heard some of Scene of The crime, with The Drive By Truckers. What i;ve heard is excellent.One time that I was listening through the radio, and that can be tricky. You never know when they are playing a mp3 these days. I am very familair with Bettye's voice, and what i was hearing, that broadcast sounded like some limits might have been set too low. Which I find hard to believe on a production of this nature, so I'm guesing the radio station was broadcasting a mp3.I think David has commented very positively on thsi recording as have you.
Own Hell To Raise I bought right away, love Bettye's and the musical performances, not crazy about most of the material.
Gotta run. Sayonara.
Grrrrrrrrr.
Rrrrrrrruuuuf!
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Bettye LaVetteJeff0 -
I've got what I think is her most recent (I can't find it just now to check the date, but I only got it last summer) called Scene of the Crime and it's great. The arrangements are mostly very spare, vocal & piano only on some. Highly recomended.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: MiscDee: I have always heard the English equivalent which is "at dusk, all cats are grey."
Norm: Not only did Dubya not let the Obamas stay there (it has 119 rooms), but the preferred guest was none other than Australia's ex PM Howard, Bush's good buddy on the Iraq war. 12 more days of his garbage, Can't wait till the 20th
Fred: VH1 Classic plays the 7 Ages of Rock a lot. It is interesting, but I'm always left wanting more depth. I guess time limit is a factor..
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My linkSubject: LaVette / Butanes
The link is to a Butanes page, Scroll down, you'll see the comments Bettye made to her manager before and after the show in St Lousi i was telling you about. I told you Bettye is funny as can be. I ran into her bass paleyr and former drummer at the poconos blues festival in 2003, they had me in stitches telling stories.
The Butanes drummer btw, is Rob Stupka, who is very good. Spent years with Luther Allison.
Grrrrrrrr.
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Posted by:Friend0
LaVette is one fo the greats. Has quite a story to her career. Successful at a young age, but never caved in to comericalism. Sung what she wanted. and sat home a lot. for those of you who haven;t been up on her whole story, but are curious, I would imagine that there must be a lot on line to read. I read alot her over the years in the blues mags. Her interviews are often hilarious. There was one in blues review where they asked her about another vwry young blues artist I won't name, being successful with a cover of a song Bettye had already done. Bettye's answer referred included a refernce to the younger artist sounding like Minnie Mouse.Bettye credits a good friend of mine with revitalizing her career. Bruce ( for hs own protection i'll leac=ve his last name out of this GB) used to produce the big yearly st. louis blues festivals in one of the city parks. Back in the 90s. He managed to get Bettye's home #. Called her at home. She's he first one to say she was sitting on her ass at home, not doing much of anything. Bruce had other established soul and blues singers lined up too. He brought James Carr, Larry Johnson, a whole bunch. Got The Butanes from Minneapolis to come down, The Butanes wrote horn charts for the songs. Bettye loved the whole thing, and has frequently said that Bruce and that experience got her off her tucchas and motivated to get back out. The show got the ball rolling for her , and she never relented. After that, it was still a tough go for a while. She cut a record, the label sat on it for years till it came out. Bonnie Raitt eventually pressured them to release it. No shit. That record made noise, and let her to Got My Own Hell To Raise release on Anti. That made a ton of noise.
Saw her in St Louis in Nov 2005, and the next day in CHicago. Better show was in St Louis. She had a cold, you never would a known it. Next night, it was effecting her alittle more.
On the butanes website there is a very hilarious statement bettye made about them. It is really worth your finding their website and finding the quote.
The Butanes are bad.
Rrrrrrruf!
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Posted by:joe j
Subject: BEG
Sooo verrry goood. Thanks.
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Posted by:Todd
Ari, I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally wouldn't just pop in unannounced and expect anyone to be available for a visit. Even if I was going to my best friend's house, or my brother's house, I would probably call first to make sure they didn't have other plans. Just as a courtesy. And I wouldn't hold a celebrity or musical hero to any other standard and expect them to give me the time of day. But that may be just me.
Your story was enjoyable and a fun read, but you may want to consider taking the part out where you referred to the worker as a "dumbass". Seems a little hostile. The part about "breaking in and stealing drumming secrets" seemed a bit alarming too. Just try to remember that no one owes any of us anything....whether they're famous or not. Just because someone hosts concerts at their studio, does not give an open invitation to drop in at any time during off hours. Levon is a friendly and generous soul, but I would try to respect some sort of boundaries. I'd suggest at least sending an email or making a phone call first before making the drive. Good Luck.
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Posted by:Ari S.
I'm glad you all enjoyed it, I hadn't thought people what have wanted to read it. It was really an eye opening trip for me and a special one which I won't most likely forget. I was wondering though, I did miss Levon, but say I were to visit tomorow...do you guys think he would be bitter or angry or unwilling to speak even a little? I know that he has Hubert Sumlin coming on Saturday so I am assume he'll be there Friday. Somebody also mentioned that I should give him a copy of this story, I thought about it, it doesn't sound like too bad of an idea...but I'm sure. Thanks to all
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: Thanks
I'm glad you all enjoyed it, I hadn't thought people what have wanted to read it.
It was really an eye opening trip for me and a special one which I won't most likely forget.
I was wondering though, I did miss Levon, but say I were to visit tomorow...do you guys think he would be bitter or angry or unwilling to speak even a little?
I know that he has Hubert Sumlin coming on Saturday so I am assume he'll be there Friday.
Somebody also mentioned that I should give him a copy of this story, I thought about it, it doesn't sound like too bad of an idea...but I'm sure.
Thanks to all
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Posted by:brown eyed girl
Web: My linkSooo good! Now you can have the same experience if you missed her performing at The Kennedy Centre over the holidays. Watch Pete and Roger's faces....same way I felt when I saw Betty perform last month.
mybabyjunior19
January 07, 2009
Bettye Lavette - Love Reign O'er Me Live from Kennedy Center Honors 2008 - Tribute to Pete Townshend and Roger Daltrey of The Who.
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: breakup of the U.S.
I've seen that article as well and it makes no sense to me. The U.S. may be heading for a depression and may be ratcheting down a few notches as a global power, but the forces of history that broke up the Soviet Union do not apply here. The old U.S.S.R, which ironically the Russian Republic under Yeltsin seceded from, was made up of formerly independent nations, many of which still had a collective memory of that independence. Other regions were also separated by race, ethnicity, and religion, ie Chechnya, causing them to have their own independent aspirations. Inspite of its' multiculturalism, the U.S. is far more homogenious, and with the exception of the Lone Star State and Conch Republic, does not have a history of independent nations joining together. There also aren't any conditions where one region is oppressing or dominating the other, or where breaking away would in any way benefit that region economically, culturally, racially or otherwise. The one region that could make a valid claim for independence based upon culture, geography, and history would be Puerto Rico, and they don't seem to be stirring that pot either.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Jimny Cricket
Jesus Christ Bob; You're gettin' more demented every day. Do you remember watching "Stripes"? OK, WHO CRIED WHEN OLD YELLER DIED? C'MON NOW BE HONEST! Jan; I know how you don't like politics discussed here, I'm not sure this is politics. However, I'm itching to ask a question here, so I'll be as brief as possible.
Couple days ago, I happened to watch a news documentary on our CBC. I don't remember this man's name, and I had never heard of this before. This man is a Russian, who is a prophet, (professor, of some sort). For over twenty years he has predicted the demise of the USA as a country. Much like what became of the USSR.
There was even a map showing what small countries would evolve from the USA. Now I'm sure most every one knows of the blue state, red state situation. Personally I don't bother to follow US politics closely enough to understand it all. However this whole scenario is pretty bizzare.
This man claims that because of the economic climate at this time, we are now witnessing the end of the USA. Has any one else seen this?
I just saw on your CNN, that little George W's gang has told Barak, that him and his family can't stay at that big house, Whatca call it? There's NO ROOM FOR YUH!, Go stay in a hotel, we have other guests......can you believe it!
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Posted by:DEE
Location: WisconsinSubject: Response from French Lady
"It is French and means twilight. the reason being it is almost impossible to see the subtle difference entre a dog and a wolf."
I am glad she didn't answer in French. But to translate
her English, it came from the homeland. I shouldn't be sarcastic about her English, which she reads and writes.
She has a fair knowledge of Spanish. Other than some polite phrases, my language skills are nil.
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Posted by:Jack
Subject: Norma Tenega
Saw Norma Tenaga and The McCoys; open for B.J. Thomas in '66. They all were good.
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My link
Dogged determination....
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Posted by:David P.
Web: My linkSubject: Walkin' My Cat Named Dog
"I had always wanted a dog, but because of my living situation I could only have a cat; I named my cat Dog and wrote a song about my dilemma."
--Norma Tanega, explaining the inspiration for her 1966 hit (link above)
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: The Cape
Don't worry Lars. I'm not goin' out there 'till it's safe enough. You have to constantly be checking the weather charts, satellite images etc. on the computer here tho' this time of year. It looks like I'll be able to get away tomorrow tho' and get my window in the weather on Saturday to get around the Cape.......IF things don't change.
Keep outta that maple tree, they get pretty brittle this time of year. How's your fire wood holding up?
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Posted by:Sandy Lake
Web: My linkSubject: Rag Mama Rag
I found a pretty good cover of Rag Mama Rag by Ronnie Hawkins' current backing band The Weber Brothers aka "The Hawks". If you like this song you might enjoy this take... no fiddle tho or tuba tracks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARp6de4OFQc
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Posted by:Lars
Location: Off Road & froze solid to this sugar mapleSubject: The Road
I'm betting we have a thaw today. At least I hope so. NORM: Your sea route to the Cape is kind of like a road, and RR said that the road has taken some good ones: Buddy Holly, Otis Redding, Sir John Franklin, etc......Why don't you stay in port until the wind lets up?
RE: hitchiking. In the summer of 1969 my ship went into repairs in Portsmouth, VA (right next to Norfolk). I used to hitchike up to New Paltz, NY about every three weeks (it was called a "72," 3 days of liberty. Hitching rides while in a military uniform is probably faster than taking a bus. I never had to wait long when I hitchiked in my dress blues. In August of that year I got my last ride from some hippies in a van. Beads covering the windows & plenty of grass, which I passed on because I didn't know any of those people.
Those hippies kept talking about a "Woodstock" and how they were already late for it. When they looked at a map, they noticed my destination wasn't far from theirs. I was kind of surprised and I asked, "Do you mean Woodstock, NEW YORK?" They said yes and I sat there in disbelief. I couldn't let it go. "You know, Woodstock isn't a very big place for a big concert like you're talking about." They were sure and they wanted to know the best route. I thought about sending them through Kingston and I judged they would get lost. "Just take exit 20 and go west on route 212 for about ten miles," I said, "and you'll run right into downtown Woodstock."
They dropped me off under the route 299 passover(exit 18), right in New Paltz, and continued on their quest. Actually, given the benefit of hindsight, they should have taken route 84 to Bethel, but that would have been exit 17 and wouldn't have worked for me.
When I got out of the service the following early summer, I was in Europe four days later and I spent the summer hitching around Europe. The best hitchiking was in England and the hardest was in Sweden. People are pretty good all over, in my opinion.
Under no circumstances would I ever want one of my daughters to hitchike, though.
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
Web: My linkSubject: Happy b'day Elvis Presley!
Elvis would have turned 74 today. He had a stillborn twin brother Jessie Garon. Elvis paid $4 to Sun Records in Memphis, TN to record his first two tunes Casual Love & I'll Never Stand In Your Way. He left us in '77.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Animal names & Cartoons
Fred! You woke me up gawd damn it! Up at 03:45, to look at the marine forecast posted by environment Canada weather office. It's been blowin like a bandit for a couple of weeks now damn it. Got to get around the Cape with out ending up like the flying Dutchman.
Went to sleep some how thinking of animal names everyone was discussing. I had forgotten about a couple of kittens. Some people went and abandonded them on the wharf in Prince Rupert about 15 years ago in the summer when I was up there fishing salmon with my fish boat.
These little guys were those orange tiger striped looking cats. I took them all the way home to Courtenay and found them a home with a lady who just loved them.
Anyway, when my younger son was a little boy, he loved the "Calvin & Hobbs" comic strip. You can buy big books of those comics. I used to buy them for Craig because it was fun to watch him read them. He'd laugh himself silly over them. He was always coming up to me with his book, "Dad look at this one!" I had a favourite he showed me.
If no one has seen these, Calvin is a little boy, and Hobbs is his stuffed tiger. When no one is around, Hobbs comes to life. They are in their bed room having a pillow fight. Hobbs sharp tiger claws rips the pillow open, and there is a blizzard of feathers. Calvin's dad comes in and yells, "CALVIN!"Hobbs is laying on the bed looking like a stuffed animal. Calvin looks up at his dad and says, "Dad, a herd of ducks just flew in the window and molted. They heard you coming and just flew right out again!"
I laughed over that for days, so I named those kittens Calvin & Hobbs. All the way down from Prince Rupert, they terrorized my boat playing and messing it up.
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Posted by:Steve
L'Ami de Me, we're all sworn to secrecy in respect to the Arrogance Of Rick episode. To quote the woman who falls for Paul in HELP, " I can say no more". I thought it was old world but wasn't sure.
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Posted by:Fred
I've been watching a BBC documentary entitled The Seven Ages of Rock the last few nights. I didn't know it was on TV here, so I missed most of the first episode, though I did get to see the Robbie Robertson interview bit (about Dylan).Tonight is part four---Heavy Metal. Wooo hooo.
Although the series is rather superficial (given the theme & time of each episode, & vice-versa) it still is enjoyable to watch.
Anyone else see this? I think it's from 2007.
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Posted by:L'ami de Steve
Steve, C'est le vieux monde, mon ami.Je me demande si le bon pneu de gens de corrections de Bill constants?
Who made the arrogant statement regarding Rick? Il n'y a pas de mémoire de cette déclaration? My dear Dankettes?
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Posted by:Alex Miller
Location: Denver, NC USA
I'm sitting here listening to "The Band" greatest Hits ( Capital) and decided to see what I could find on the net. Great web site Jan, Thanks. It's a great band. I just ordered the remastered Band CD from Audio Fidelety. Gotta' love the oldies!
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Posted by:Friend0
Bashful, now that I think about it, it was a sonogram that revealed Bandit's liver issues. The blood work hinted there was an issue, but after the sonogram my vet prescribed the marin and denasyl, there were some dense spots and some likely benign nodlules in the liver, I think I rememebr is what he said. The other things was he needed actigall for his gall bladder. the gall bladder issue is what instigated the sonogram.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Cat's in the Cradle
Cat Stevens
Hound Dog Man - was it Fabian? ...I forget
Coyote Moon
You got to know what a 3 dog night is......Dewl 90210 you gotta stay outta this.
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My linkSubject: Levon Beacon On Sale
it's up top
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Posted by:brown eyed girl
Web: My link
SubscribeWharfomatic
September 19, 2008
Live In Japan The Reformed Band IMND
9/2/83
Black Cat...Janet Jackson with guitar from Slash.
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Posted by:brown eyed girl
Web: My link
"Cat's In The Well"...Dylan
Coyote Dance...Robbie
Subscribebrian600lyle
December 20, 2008
Acadian Driftwood from Night At The Palladium 1976....The Band
One of only a few live versions of Acadian Driftwood.n"I finally approached Parnassus Lane. I took a picture of the mailboxes on my phone and a picture of the Parnassus Ln. sign. I also took a picture of the actual road. I didn't want to take too many pictures though, because I wanted it to live in my mind rather than in my phone.".....Wow! You actually get it Ari!
Yes Deeee....Robbie jammed it up on "Cripple Creek" at the EMP Awards. It's never been one of my fave Band tunes but the guitar playing got me interested. The singing from the other musicians....didn't do much for me. Oh well....any chance to experience Robbie playing live is.....worthwhile news!
Kristie...Other young artists besides Amy Winehouse that could interest me would be Lily Allen and Corrine Bailey.
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Posted by:rosalind
Yeah, slow in all the wrong places.
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Posted by:Friend0
I ain't buying consideration, Ros. You just getting slow, mama. It's cool. I'm slow too.
Grrrrrrrrrrrr.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: Dogs&Stuff
Well, it's like this Moe, I figure this guestbook is full of tree huggers and PETA people who would probably pass out if any of them were ever to be handed any kind of a weapon, especially one with a trigger. If one of them was to be forced to shoot at ya, you'd probably only be maimed, (something you don't need any more of) or they'd be shaking and quaking so bad that they'd and end up shooting you through the cheek or something, which would make you even uglier than you are now. I decided to pass on the request.
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Posted by:Friend0
Ros Baby, you must be getting slow in middle age. When I read the reference to me as a junk yard dawg, i figured you'd be typing "Shoot The Dog!" Shoot The Dog" any moment. Referencing the kid in Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore. Wasn't Joni's Coyote song used in the flick? I think so. If not , it shoulda been.
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Posted by:Jean
Subject: Cat & Dog SongsLong Tail Cat - Loggins & Messina
How Much Is That Doggie In The Window? - Patti Page
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Posted by:brown eyed girl
Web: My linkHere you go Serenity. "Rag Mama Rag" with The Weber Brothers. We were at this show with some of my friends. You always have a fun time with Ronnie's young boyzzzz.
SubscribeLastJackProductions
January 06, 2009
The Weber Brothers @ The Hard Rock Cafe in Toronto ON. NOV 26, 2004.
((Sam Weber, Ryan Weber , Shai Peer, Jim Usher, Big D McKendrick.)
Thanks Bill M. I'll have imagezulu check out the "Carny" LP as this year he gave me "Big Pink", "Stage Fright", "Northern LIghts - Southern Cross", "Cahoots", "Rock Of Ages", "Self Portrait", "The Free Wheelin' Bob Dylan"....so I'll be enjoying these on the turntable for the first time David P.
I want to see "The Wrestler" as well. I saw many films this past holiday and probably the one that stood out as the most satisfying and the most provocative would be "The Reader".....
"What's New Pussy Cat"?
"Who Let The Dogs Out?"
"Rain Dogs"
"You Ain't Nothin' But A Hound Doggie"
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My link
A few of these are very fucking funny.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: DazersDazer: I'm not sure where we got it … we've had it for years. Will think. Mail order, I suspect. it works really well.
Cat allergies are to saliva (because they groom their fur constantly) and are severe. One of my kids has it … her eyes close and swell within about two minutes of exposure to cats in any confined space. With dogs it's hair so there are those that shed more hair or less hair, but sadly (because I like them) all cats spread saliva on their fur.
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Posted by:Friend0
Hey Luke, Im allergic to cats too. Don't think I was allergic to em till i was in my later twenties. My friend Tina had 3 persians who were all scaredy cats, didnlt come out of hiding when people were around. But of course, since I was very allergic to em, they liked me. Tina was one of the people i'd trust to walk moe when i couldn't get home, and I'd take care of her cats when she'd split for a few days. Them being noticeably needy for human company when Tina was gone, I'd sit and hang with em for an hour or two a day. After Tina took a few trips, my allergy to cats disappeared. The Tina and I moved in different directions, I went back upstate, she to jersey,and after a while, I became allergic again. even worse than the first time. These days, I won't sit in a chair or sofa that has cat hair in it cause i know i'll be suffering. But, gawd damn, every house I'm in that has a cat or three or five, that cat 'll come right up to me. Often the homeowner or person I know says , she / he never goes to anyone, or that's unusual, she usually don'tt like starngers.I won't shoo em away., I'll pet em, let em rub aagainst me, play with em, pick one or two up occassionally. I figure they're coming for a reason, and whatever that reason is, it;s good enough fo r me.maybe the allergy will disapear again..
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: cats
Dunc,in a situation like that, it's you or the wife...
I read a comment about men who dislike cats not liking women - now I do dislike cats, and I (David Spade voice) kinda like women. I'm allergic to cats. And hey, women are allergic to me! But I also wonder if growing up seeing cats die lingering deaths from car hits on the road made me distance myself from the whole pet experience. I would have been sweating in Dunc's situation, my wife keeps telling me the dogs can smell the fear. But I can smell their teeth!
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Posted by:Jean
Dunc, I think you have two choices. One is to curl up into the fetal position and try not to give the dog too much to attack. The other is to be the alpha dog/pack leader. The trainer that came to work with us taught us how to growl at our dog like the alpha dog would do in a pack of dogs. It does work and our dog is actually much happier not having to be the alpha dog. Whenever he gets out of line and we use the growl on him he backs right down. I'm not sure, though, how it would work on an older dog who has spent many years without structure and discipline. Better get that Dazer.
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Posted by:Dunc
Location: ScotlandSubject: Dog help
Peter:When I was on holiday in France this year, I was on a country walk towards Cordes Sur Ciel, a beautiful, small, unique town.
As we walked past a farm a huge dog started throwing itself at the flimsy farm fence, trying to get to my wife and me. I decided if it got through I was going to punch it on the nose as hard as I could. The farmer was screaming at the dog to get him back under control, but this took about two minutes - a long time. Where do you buy Dazers?
Anybody. What do you do if a big, vicious dog is going for you and you don't have a Dazer?
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Posted by:Steve
Kristie, can't tell you much you don't know about Jean Leclerc except it's probably worth catching a show if you have a chance. He's interviewed occasionally on French CBC\ Radio Canada when he has a new album to promote or a book.The first time I heard him being interviewed under the name Masoud Al Rachid, a couple of years back, I recognized him as Leclerc or Le Loup within a minute or so, he's hard to mistake for anyone else.Very entertaining and provocative.
Funny you should mention him today I have a sneaking feeling I heard him discuss his name change to Le Loup years ago and I think it had something to do with the Twilight\Entre Chein Et Loup I mentioned yesterday.
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Posted by:Bill M
Luke M: Thanks. Growing up, "The Little Engine that Could" was my favourite in "Read Aloud Train Stories", and I've got to see Robbie as more of an "I think I can, I think I can (reach the top)" kind of guy than Richard. Plus Robbie wrote about trains even more often than carnivals.
BEG: Speaking of which, Pandemonium has a SEALED copy of the Carny soundtrack LP in a box on the floor right in front of you when you enter. Or did on Sunday.
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Posted by:Friend0
Bashful, you may be on top of this this already, probably are. You know your dog has liver issues so obviously the vet's been doing blood tests. So your dog may be on denasyl and marin, which are nutricylicals that support the liver and improve it's function. Arthritis, well, lots of different meds available, cosequin of ocurse as a supplement
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: Famous encounters
When I was 20 and working for minimum wage at the local top-40 station (KC-101, Todd)I was hot for our 19-yr old receptionist, and would hang out in the reception area to flirt with her. One day I was on the long couch we had and I was reading a local arts paper called the New Haven Advocate, which had an article about Denny Lane speaking at a rock convention at our local university which I attended at the time. There was some 40-something blonde guy sitting next to me, waiting for someone to come out to greet him. In an attempt to make conversation with the receptionist, I noted the article and said 'it's pretty sad when the only way an aging British rock star can make money is to speak at the local college'. The person sitting next to me then looked at me coldly, got up and walked away. After he was out of earshot she says 'Ed, that was Peter Noone and he is speaking at the college tonight!' DOH!
I've also had the opportunity to see Jason Robard's drinking coffee at Atticus, a Yale campus coffee shop, and while staying in Hilton Head one year my hotel was hosting a celebrity golf outing, and I had dinner one table over from Patrick Duffy (Bobby Ewing of Dallas) and the comedian John Byner. Since our table and their's were the only two tables occupied at the time, it was very enjoyable to listen to their conversation about their work, Hollywood, etc without them being wary of us. That same weekend I also stayed across the hall from St. Louis Cardinal's great Ozzie Smith and his family, and exchanged pleasantries with them the entire stay without letting on I knew who they were, which I think they appreciated.
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Posted by:Mike Nomad
Try hitting Return (or Enter) key twice.
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Posted by:luke m
Subject: late stage fright
Bill M, interesting stuff on Stage Fright - 'I have to wonder if it was Robbie who wrote: "If you don't quit till we reach the top I'd be much obliged to you" - perhaps directed subconsciously to Richard.' I've always thought it was Richard directing an ironic line not so much to Robbie as to the whole shebang, knowing he was under pressure and (as vividly expressed in Sleeping) at a kind of remove from reality. Who knows..
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Posted by:Bashful Bill
Location: Minoa, NYSubject: various threads(&I've tried&tried to do paragraphs on Jan's excellent site but have failed&failed)
My dog's named Levon. almost 15, arthiritis of course but also liver issues but he's still kickin & enjoys life. He fell in love with my girlfriend & they're special pals, likely because she gives him lots of food scraps.
In the summer of 74 a frind of mine&I hitchiked from Monterey CA to Syracuse NY. Not quite cross-country, but we always claimed it was. I hitched the trip between San Francisco&Salt Lake City several times through the 70's,sometimes in Winter yet. Also up&down the CA coast many times. I once sat down&estimated that I hitched approx 15,000 miles from the mid 60's through the mid 70's&, other than getting in an accident in Reno I can only recollect one bad ride when the driver made me uncomfortable.
On a Sunday afternoon around 82 or 83 or 84 I was ina drugstore which is, literally, on the southern border of Syracuse. I saw this guy who was very familiar but I just couldn't place him. He noticed me looking at him & he stared right back at me in a manner I can only describe as arrogent. My exact thought was that this guy is used to having people look at him. Just as I was returning to the car it hit me - it was none other than Al "I'm in charge" Haag. It made sense - his brother was at that time the dean(or president, not certain which) of a local Jesuit college & it was known that he occasionally was in Syracuse to visit him. I surmised that he was stopping off at the store on his way south to Washington after a weekend visit. I waited about 10 minutes in the parking lot for him to come out to make sure, & when I saw him again there was no doubt. I'd been ina staring contest with someone with whom I had no business being ina staring contest.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: Thanks Bill MIt is on the way!
For all the Montreal folks..have you heard or can you give me any information on Jean Leloup(other than what might be on the internet)? I was taught "I lost my Baby" this summer on guitar.
Someone told me a story about how he fell in love with a girl named Isabelle in Montreal and was devastated when she moved to France. So he decided he would move there to be with her, and quickly realized he didn't know where she lived, and spent the next eight years or so looking for her. When he finally did find her he realized he was not in love with her and moved back to Montreal(I guess time doesn't make the heart grow fonder).
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Posted by:Bill M
Todd: It's not my best hitching story, but I did get picked up in the outback by author Thomas Keneally, who told me all about his forthcoming book, "Shindler's List".
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: pet names
I always try to be original with pet names. In college I studied a lot of Russian history, and my first cat who is now almost 11, is named 'Koba' after Josif Stalin who used that as his underground codename during the Revolution. When I was getting a second cat with my first wife, I wanted to name it 'Trotsky', but she insisted on 'Stormy', and that is the one my second wife and I recently lost. We adopted two kittens last month, one of whom became 'Trotsky' and the other became 'Casimir', after Casimir Pulaski, who fought the Russians prior to joining the American Revolution. I briefly flirted with 'Obama' and 'McCain', as my two year old memorized both names from all the election coverage last year. When Koba's days sadly come to an end someday, the next cat may be named 'Kruschev', whom as you all know succeeded Stalin.
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTI’ve probably mentioned this here before, but years ago when Richard Gere and Cindy Crawford were married, they had a summer place in my hometown. Occasionally they would jog past our house. At least I think they were jogging. It’s possible that they may have been running in fear from the menacing miniature poodle that had terrorized me as a youth.
Other brushes with fame: When I was a kid, we lived in a two family house, and John Lithgow lived in the apartment upstairs from us. I’ve met many other celebrities in my working life, but those don’t have the surprise element to them as the random encounters do. One time I saw Ben Stiller drinking a soda on the street in NYC. He seemed to be on a break from filming something.
Cats & Dogs: Joan, I like your expression better than mine.
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Posted by:Bill M
Web: My linkWe were totally unimaginative when it came to pet names, growing up. Most of the dogs had names like Blackie and Sparky. And everything else was named after the older brothers of my best friend, who must have been heroes to us, though I don't know why. Anyway, there was David and John hens, David and John turtles, David and John goldfish ...
Dunc: Browsing through the CD racks I came across a 2005 effort by Calgary-based Tyson protege, Corb Lund, "Hair in My Eyes like a Highland Steer". Ian hisself sings "The Rodeo Is Over" - and Ramblin' Jack Elliott sings another one.
I've only heard what's on Corb Lund's site, and that's not my style, so this is not a recommendation. I do, however, have him doing some guest bg vocals on Old Reliable's excellent "Pulse of Light / Dark Landscape" album, which I couldn't stand at first - having bought it for its Bandish look (largely due to having photos by Elliott Landy, who did the honours on our guys' Big Brown).
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Posted by:Jean
Landmark, you reminded me of another childhood dog story - my mother's aunt had a cocker spaniel named Janie. As I child, my family called me Jeannie. After a few drinks at the Thanksgiving, Christmas or Easter gatherings some of the adults couldn't keep the two names straight and the poor dog and I never knew which one of us was being called.
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Posted by:Landmark
Location: Montreal
I lived in a luxury apartment building for many years which also was the in-season home to many hockey and baseball players of the day. A lot of Canadiens players also used our garage as it was across the street from the Montreal Forum. I did have a "nodding" acquaintaceship with Jean Beliveau whom I saw almost daily. He is truly a fine gentleman. One of the people I would speak to was Dave Van Horne who was the longtime announcer on Montreal Expos. My father met him in the elevator one time and was happy to tell him "Glad to have you aborad" which was how he would start all his broadcasts.
As far as dogs names are concerned, My wife was on an "I want a dog" kick recently. I told her yes so long as we can name it "Circulate", after my friend's very expensive and very slow racehorse who is a real dog. Other than that, I would suggest naming a dog after one of your kids. Call one and they both come running.
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Posted by:Jean
Web: My linkSubject: Top Dog & Cat Names of 2008
I found the Most Popular Dog Names interesting - One of Jake's brothers was named Bailey, his mother was Daisy and his sister was Maggie.
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Posted by:Bill M
Web: My linkSubject: Such Melodious Racket
Kristie: I should've suggested yesterday that rather than Amazon you might try Abebooks for a used copy. See link above. They're the biggest online marketplace for used books, based right in Victoria.
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Posted by:Jean
Dorothy Hammil and I passed each other on a sidewalk near the (then) Hartford Civic Center many years ago. I didn't realize it was her until I was past her. Other than than, I can't recall seeing any celebs in my regular daily life. But then, I forget things...(Get Up) Jake, our 11 month old chocolate lab puppy was quite a biter until he was about 7 months old. We had a trainer come in to work with him and us to get the 'pack' back in order. The biting stopped and he's a wonderful addition to the family. He does have a fondness for licking himself though.
I carry a scar on my upper lip courtesy of my mother's arthritic cocker spaniel. I was only a year old and I grabbed her back leg and she bit me. Can't say as I blame her but I gave my mother grief for it for years. Turns out she wasn't even home when it happened - my father was watching me! Or not.
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Posted by:Bill M
NB: Todd's post about not taking rejection well for some reason dredged up a fleeting memory of your old 7-13 classmate Gord K telling me that he hated hitching home from Dunbarton with Egbert because Egbert would shake his fist / up his middle finger at cars that didn't stop - which pretty much guaranteed that nobody else would stop either. No respect ...
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: RecognitionYears ago, I lived in Manhattan. If you walk around, you see lots of celebrities. At times, I saw Woody Allen, Peter Jensen,Jason Robards, JT and Carly Simon. I never went up to them, but would smile and say Hi as I passed. they almost always smiled back. I was waiting for a traffic light at Columbus Circle one day when a couple came beside us. the first thing I noticed was the woman had on beautiful leather pants. Then I saw it was Carly Simon with JT. I whispered in Richard's ear. They got kind of nervous when they realized I saw them, but relaxed when we didn't say anything. The light changed and we went our separate ways.My "brush with greatness". Seriously, NYC does provide for a lot of celebrity viewing.
Todd: I know the expression as "to a dog you're family, to a cat you're staff."
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Boston Tea Party
Songs composed for historical value, seem to be a good subject.
Uncle Sam and Big John Bull ain't a gonna fight no more.
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: canine/felineSome things I heard & thought of myself -
Dogs are Catholics & cats are Protestants; guilt vs no-guilt.
Guys that hate cats also hate women; I've tested this one out and found it to be totally true.
And I forget the last one but it was the best - more later...
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Posted by:David P.
Correction: I meant to say that the Battle took place before word of the peace treaty reached the troops.The merger of folklore with true historical facts, of course, has been part of the narative tradition since the days of ancient minstels.
"Who's gonna throw that minstrel boy a coin?"
-Bob Dylan
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Posted by:Brien Sz
Subject: Recognition
My wife was on the way back from a meeting and was taking the train in NYC. It wasn't overly crowded but it had its share of people so folks just blended. She then noticed a shortish guy, pudgy, with glasses on. He looked familiar but couldn't quite place him. He was dressed casually, everyday joe. He looked at her as anyone does when glancing around on a train. He caught her facial expression at the exact moment she recognized him. She said he smiled slightly and then quickly and unassumingly placed a finger by his mouth, and looked to mouth please, and then bowed his head to look at his feet. She said nothing. A little while later, he looked up and they caught glances and he mouthed, ever so small.., thank you. It was Paul Giamatti.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: The Arkansas Driftwoodwestcoaster: You're right -- Jimmy Driftwood, as a folklorist, more than likely used the tall tale aspect to embellish the song as way to make it more interesting for his students. The main historical emphasis of his song was to point out that the Battle of New Orleans took place during the War of 1812 and not during the Revolutionary War. During the formal lesson to his students, he no doubt mentioned that Andrew Jackson became a folk hero as a result of his actions, and later used that fame to be elected President. As news of such exploits, back in the days of primitive press coverage, were spread by word of mouth, it's only natural that the real historical facts were layered with embellishments of exaggeration.
In teaching his students about the War of 1812, Mr. Driftwood also probably pointed out that the Battle of New Orleans actually took place after word of the peace treaty with the British, which been signed in late December of 1814, finally reached the troops. The date of the battle, the 8th of January (1815), was also the name of an old time fiddle tune that Mr. Driftwood used as the melody for his song.
Could it be that Robbie Robertson was tipping his hat to Mr. Driftwood in his Acadian song, or is the name just coincidental? Probably the latter, but amusing just the same :-)
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTSubject: Cats & Dogs
Bill, the hitchhiking was later. I was probably 15 or 16 years old, and yes it was my only attempt. I guess I don’t take rejection well, because I never had the urge to try it again!
We’ve had cats & dogs over the years and currently just have one cat which was a rescue cat. The main difference between cats & dogs is that dogs have masters, and cats have staff. ;-)
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Posted by:Steve
Bill, mon homme, I refer you to that face at the end of my post, it was Homer, not Moliere.
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Westcoaster, thanks for sharing that. The story concerning the racoon is horrible. Perhaps one day you will change your mind and go to your local shelter like the one my wife and I volunteer at, and decide to give one a home. Our shelter is always full, but each animal adopted creates a space for another to be saved
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Katz
JTull; Over the years I have admired your love of cats, so I'll tell you this story. I never had much use for cats. That is not to say I don't like them, just never had much use for them.
In 1988 I had a little logging operation, remote, you had to go to the area by boat. That winter, (I had a couple of trailers and an addition we stayed in) it was a horrible cold winter. I had a big wood heater in the addition, couple old easy chairs by the fire. One night as I stepped out to get a bit more firewood, I saw a quick flash, and wondered what it was. Then as I opened the door to go back in, I saw the eyes glowing in the night.
Well turns out a guy who had an operation there a couple year earlier had a couple cats, for mousing, and when he left, he left 'em there. So this guy was an off spring I suppose. This cat was wild, but after quite a few night of coaxing with my home canned salmon, I got him to come in. As long as the door was open he was ok, close it he went nuts. Finally after a while we became friends. It was so cold, at night he came in and slept on my head, and would start to purr. It was like sleeping with an outboard motor on your head, but old Spike and I became great friends, and I had him a long time.
After Spike just up and left, I felt pretty bad, a few years later, when my oldest grandson was born, my daughter had this beautiful persian, all white with pale green eyes. Well some one had told Marcia to be careful of the baby, because cats like to snuggle them, and some times smother them. Well Marcia got paranoid over this, so she said Dad will you take Scooter home. I said, awright, I'll take the gawd damn cat. This guy was the greatest cat. He never bothered anyone. He laid along the back of the couch, and just looked like an ornament there. I had Scooter quite a few years. He had his ritual, every morning, he'd just go and stand in front of the door looking at it, (glass patio doors). I'd open it, he'd go out, do his business, and come back to eat. One morning after I let him out, I was in the bathroom when I heard the screaming, came out and out the door, and a coon had Scooter. By the time I got out there wasn't much left of him. One of the few times I cried, so no more cats for me.
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Posted by:Bill M
Landmark: No snow day here, boyo; we're trying macho this year. As for Scott Young, I have only "Neil and Me", but I'm pretty sure it's been updated too since its original publication way back in the last millenium.Todd: Your first couple of paragraphs sound like Rodney Dangerfield. That's the only time you ever tried hitching, or just the only time the 10-year-old you tried hitching to avoid the dog?
Steve: Ma dielle, I think you've got it backwards. I've been led to believe that Quebec French (the moe, toe stuff especially) was the language of the peasants in France, whereas the upper classes said moi and toi. And that the French revolutionaries declared that henceforth everybody can speak upper class - which is what everybody proceeded to do in the old country, leaving the revolutionless colonists with their traditional peasant pronunciations.
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My link
Doggedly pursuing the theme.
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: dogs
I remember growing up in the 70's being fearful of walking down unknown streets as unleashed dogs were commonplace. This all stopped in the 80's as lawsuits put an end to 99% of people letting their animals roam freely.A girl I was involved with in 1998 got a summer job canvassing for Greenpeace, and I took the job too in order to be together with her, and I lasted less than 1 month. We would be dropped off in wealthy areas of CT where a long wooded driveway would lead to an unforeseen large house, and usually I'd turnaround halfway up after the inevitable large dog spotted me and chased me back. It quickly got to the point where I was too fearful to approach any more houses, and after a few nights of everyone taking turns reporting the money they collecting, and me doing my best Charlie Brown Halloween 'I got a rock!' imitation, I was out of a job. I was also soon out of a girlfriend who ended up nailing the crew chief after I left but oh well. 21 years later I can look back at her and think rather than being bitter about being cheated on, I can be happy I enjoyed my share of 'young lust'.
There is no excuse, ever, for harming an animal except in true self defense. Those that do should face mandatory jail time and be required to register as animal offenders just like sex offenders must.
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Posted by:Todd
When I was 10 years old, I was chased by a miniature poodle with a very yappy bark and tiny sharp teeth (Well, I imagine that they were sharp)! After that terrifying (and mildly embarrassing situation) I usually avoided walking down that street in my neighborhood.The only time that I tried to hitchhike, nobody picked me up. I had missed the school bus and ended up walking (mostly backwards) the entire way to high school with my thumb in the air.
Bill, I'm also a fan of Daniel Lanois 'Acadie', but I can't vouch for any of its historical accuracy. It's a great listen though. I just noticed that it shares many of the same musicians as the Lanois produced Dylan 'Oh Mercy' album. Looks like they both came out in 1989. I wonder which one was recorded first.
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Posted by:Landmark
Location: MontrealSubject: Helllo Everybody (Partial Slushball Alert!)
Hope that everyone had agreat holiday. Amongst the gifts I got was a first edition hardcover of Scott Young's "Scrubs On Skates", complete with original dust jacket. What was disturbing was that the missus bought the other two books in the series which to my suprise, were updated to be more contemporary than the original editions.
Bill, while you're researching other, more Band related enigmas, you can devote a few minutes to this one.
By the way, I am taking a "Snow Day" and no, we haven't phoned in the army yet.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Sensible? - The dog's territory?
As usual Steve, your idea of sensible, is to you only. The dog's territory, then basically what you're saying is no one should pass down a street, alley, road or where ever if a dog is there, not kept in his yard or maintained because that is the dog's "territory". What dream world do you live in. As a matter of fact, get a copy of regulation from the SPCA and get your eyes opened to reality. If you started to make some sense it would be tolerable.
Your tunnel vision that you continually display is nonsensical. How can you, or any one consider themselves a fan of "The BAND", or any band, and show constant and unrestrained contempt for one of the members who created the music that is enduringly popular. That is nonsensical, (makes no sense).
We are very fortunate in one way. Robbie Robertson didn't have you to collaberate with or seek advise from to write songs. I shudder to think of what compositions, we never would of heard anyway.
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Posted by:Steve
Dee thanks for taking the initiative with Chien et Loup. One thing you may point out to your snobbish, when it comes to French, friend, is that the original French settlers brought to Quebec the language spoken by the middle and upper middle class when they came here. The French spoken in France today is the French spoken by the " riff raff peasantry" who took over the country during the revolution with the Pol Pot like tolerance for high French Culture, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS". To quote Monty, " We fart in their general direction!" IN Quebec we speak the language of Moliere, who of course was pre-revolution.@@
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Posted by:Steve
I agree with you on dog behaviour and the owners of dogs Peter but it sounds like Norm was insisting on passing through the dog's terrority when he could have gone another way. Almost sounds like he wanted to show the dog who was boss, and took great pleasure in it, which is a little different that your son's encounter. I don't think Norm ever mentioned the dog actually causing him any physical injury and Norm kept going back for more. Also, the dog drooling and salivating in his face could be embellishment. After all, which terrified 10 year old risks their life with a HUGE German Sheppard to save a couple of minutes on their walk to school. I'd think if you fear for your life you might just leave a couple of minutes earlier, the sensible thing to do unless you have a point to make.
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Posted by:Bill M
Steve: I take it that you knew there was just one coyote because the moon struck it. Any sign of a snake?
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Posted by:DEE
Location: WisconsinSubject: Sprecken ze French?
Sent the phrase "entre chien" etc to a fellow retiree who is possessed of dual nationality....French and American. We'll see if it is familiar to her. In the past, she has made "snide" remarks about French as spoken in Quebec.Tsk, how snobbish.
Watch this space.
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Posted by:Steve
I guess I should point out that what originally got me interested in the Acadian Driftwood story was old J2Rs himself.I'd always thought the song was fucked up as far as the lyrics went, the history was so wacky that it hardly applied to Acadians.
It was J2Rs assertion that he'd been so touched by the Acadian's story that the more he found out about it the more important he thought it was to write the song.
Following that explanation and how touched he was by their plight I'd have thought he'd actually put some effort into understanding what he was writing about.
Bill, I had the Entre Dog and Wolf experience yesterday yesterday. When Marge got home from work we went for a quick half hour ski before dark.
By the time we got home it was after 5 but the moon was up and in the fields there was plenty of light. It was clear, quite and windless, just perfect winter winter. Then we heard a howl start up from the woods to the west where we had just skied up from below the house. We frequently hear coyotes but this was a single animal and it sounded much more wolf like that coyote like.
Our two dogs instantly took up the challenge and headed back in the direction of the howl. I called them and they came back. We listened for a couple of minutes but all remained quiet on the western front.
Roz I plan to see The Wrestler, I've heard all the good reviews about Roarke. Have you seen Slum Dog Millionaire? It's a smaller budget, independent( I think) Indian\ North American collaboration. What a splendid ride that one is. Check it out if you can find it.
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Posted by:Bill M
Subject: Stage Fright recordings
The other day I dug out my 45 of "The Shape I'm In" / "Time To Kill", and was struck by how far apart the matrix numbers are (75326 and 74806). So I dug out my "Rolling Stone" interview with Robertson and Simon (July 9, 1970) to see what light they might shed. Turns out that "The Shape I'm In" was the second last song cut; the unnamed final cut, which a process of elimination suggests was "Just Another Whistle Stop", was only half-written at the time. Simon is quoted as saying "We haven't gotten it down yet. The title's floating out there with the lyrics." Would be interesting to know which bits Robbie wrote, and which bits Richard wrote. Given it was the final song, and likely involved some frustration in the writing, I have to wonder if it was Robbie who wrote: "If you don't quit till we reach the top I'd be much obliged to you" - perhaps directed subconsciously to Richard.
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Posted by:Peter V
Dog owners who don’t train or discipline their dogs are a problem. One of my kids was bitten just walking along the street when he was six, and the owner had the usual “He doesn’t bite. He’s only playing,’ while the child’s standing there with blood running down his leg. I can’t stand dog owners who sit back while their dogs crotch-sniff strangers, or attack other dogs or bark in a frenzy. And you know, given the situation of a frightened ten year old kid and a savage dog, the majority of humans would empathize with the ten year old kid.
As a serious piece of advice, we bought one of those Dazers for our kid who likes jogging on the beach. That brings unwelcome attention from ill-trained dogs. It emits a high pitched tone that they don’t like at all, and they steer clear of it. It’s harmless, inaudible to humans, and dogs can’t even hear it unless they’re within twenty yards or so.You press the button and the attacking dog stops , then retreats until it can’t hear it. It’s used by dog trainers too.
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Posted by:Bill
Todd: I forgot to say that I think you're on to something re "Acadian Driftwood" reflecting Robbie's feelings of displacement. I suspect the same can be said of much of Daniel Lanois' "Acadie", which dealt with a number of stages and aspects of deracination.
And yes to whoever it was who said that the song is a history lesson. It may not be a particularly accurate one, but neither is much of the history that I was taught at school. Which suggests that the veracity of "The Battle Of New Orleans" isn't a slam-dunk either. Maybe the best we can hope for is that a history will be an approach towards the truth, open to be built on by others.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: History - Acadian Driftwood - Jimmy Driftwood
OK David, but in the history lesson, do really suppose he convinced them that they used a allygator to fight the war? To clarify, for instance you see a movie where it says "based on" a book, or whatever. Well isn't that the way a song is? If it was actual fact, it would be a documentary not a song. It seems ther are liberties, like using an alligator, for example to sensationalize, and make things more attractive, or exciting.
Hey Lars! How goes it? You're gonna love this. A while back, I whined about how Susan put my wallet through the washer and dryer. Yesterday I came in soaked through from working outside, (too stupid to put my rain gear on). I stopped by the washer down stairs, took everything out of my pockets, peeled all my clothes off and threw them in the washer.
A while later Susan comes up with a look of glee on her face. She had gone down and put my clothes in the dryer. She had in her hand my cell phone. She said, I found this in the washer! It ain't workin', I'm goin' after gettin' my money back. She laughed at me!
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: I Wish I Was a Willow Tree..That's a neat story Lars.. thanks for telling that.
I was just doin the math on that 12 years ago thing you mentioned. He was in Striptease in 96. that would make about 12 years ago.. no wonder he went back in the house!
But, He's very productive these days. I saw him in the lead role in "When Nietzsche Wept" a few years ago and he was also in "American Gangster" last year. He's working a lot, actually.
Hey Steve, Yes, The Wrestler was terrific! I'm pullin' for Rourke to nail that Academy Award this year after watching that guy pour his heart into every minute of that film. He worked like it was the last chance of his life to make something good. He's probably right. He deserves the accolades this February. Lots of good stuff this year but.. he was the best. He was all heart and soul.
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Posted by:Bill M
L'ami: There's no need for you to be shy - you're much snider than I could ever hope to be. Now, to other subjects: I believe that dusk is when the sun has already waned. But 'between dog and wolf' is a powerful image, for sure.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: History Lesson in Song
westcoaster: "The Battle of New Orleans" was indeed originally used as a history lesson. The Arkansas songwriter Jimmy Driftwood started out as a high school teacher and was inspired to write the song to give his students a lesson about the War of 1812.
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Posted by:Lars
Location: a small infamous woodlotSubject: The price of fame
One day about 12 years ago I was sitting on a stone wall, having my lunch and admiring the beauty of the spring blossoms all around the horse farm where I was working. I was working for Armand Assante, who at the time was a pretty famous movie star. I don't think he's done too much in the last 10 years.
"Sometimes," said Armand, "I see a fan coming towards me a little too fast...I start to wonder... how much of me do they want to take away."
I was surprised to hear him say that. Most celebrities that I've worked for don't like to confide in us "little people." I'd been working for Armand for a while at that point and for some reason we seemed to be comfortable together. Most movie stars wouldn't bother to befriend a stone mason, but Armand was a very down to earth person.
I picked up the other half of my sandwich and said, "Do you still want to go turkey hunting some morning?"
He kind of picked up and said, "Yeah, I'd like to try that."
My mouth was too full to talk, but the word "bullshit" came to mind. These guys are always talking about going on bear hunts in Alaska or some other venture that you knew damn well was never going to happen.
I finally said, "Floyd Patterson used to dress in disguises when he came into New Paltz. He looked just like an migrant apple picker."
Armand looked down and said, "It came too late. I would have given anything to have had some recognition when I was 21, but I didn't really make it until I was around 40."
Some dust rose way up at the top of his driveway and a car was coming slowly down to the house. Armand leaned forward and squinted. "I don't know that car. Do you know that car?"
"Not from here."
"I'm going inside. If anybody asks for me tell them I'm not home."
And he got up and walked around the corner. I sat there thinking that it was ironic that so many people want fame, but it scares the hell out of the ones who have it.
One of Levon's family members once told me that he never answered the door for a stranger. Once, Levon had a meeting set up with his lawyer and the lawyer knocked on the door for five minutes. Then he pulled out a cell phone and dialed Levon's private number.
Levon picked up. "Levon- this is Wendall. I've been knocking on your door for a while now. Do you remember that you wanted a meeting today?"
"Ya know I thought I heard something out there, but I figured it was my dog."
And then Levon opened the door with a big grin on his face.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Acadian Driftwood Revisited
Well JQ; You can see it any way you want, of course. However, what Steve Heggison wrote was a history lesson. Factual as it may be, I didn't hear any moving song lyric there. Acadian Driftwood, for musical content, great harmonies and the feel it leaves, became and is a pretty popular song. However one feels as to it's accuracy, is their own personal thing.
I suppose you may see, "Sink The Bismark", or "The Battle of New Orleans", or "The Alamo" as history lessons. In that case they could use a lot of cleaning up as to factual content. I just don't see them that way. There are many songs written because some one took a situation, and wrote a story, and put it to song. For money or fun, or to make a statement, what ever the reason may have been. Just as here, the song gets put thru the wringer as to what the purpose or meaning is.
Dawg days, good one. Now this part is factual. Try and tell the many people across the country, who in resent years have been attacked and chewed up by pit bulls and the like, it was their own fault because they were scared. That is really stupid. There are many problem animals, and over the many years since I was 10, laws have changed dramatically to make people responsible for their animals. Even to walking by your house without their dog on a leash and allowing it to crap in your yard. Many places there is a fine, if people don't carry equipment, and clean it up. Why should anyone have to clean up their yard from some one elses dog.
Up until a few years ago, because I spend so much time at sea, I always had a dog. One for 14 years. From the one incident that I recounted, which I never forgot, I never let my animals roam and terrorize people as some people seem to do with out thinking about it. I remember the feeling of being terrorized.
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Posted by:Mike & Kim (Plochmann Lane)
Web: My linkSubject: Happy 30th anniversary, Garth & Maud Hudson!
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Posted by:Mike (Plochmann Lane)
Web: My linkSubject: Happy b'day Robert Hicks!
The frmr Paul Butterfield Blues Band member turns 68 today.
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Posted by:bob w.
Web: My link
The dog days of January have been put upon us.
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Posted by:Steve
Sorry, I forgot. Roz, did you like the movie?
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Posted by:Steve
L'Ami, but do you know if it's a Quebecois term or Frenchie from France. I know Quebec writers and singers are fond of the term but I'm wondering if it's New World or Old World in origin. It would have made a cool title for Twilight. Twilight\Entre Chein Et Loup CBC Radio 2 is polling listeners for their suggestions for 49 songs to be included in a collection entitled, "49 songs From North Of The 49th Parallel." They're looking for songs that are representative of the Spirit of Canada. They're going to load them onto a Blackberry and send it to Obama. I'm going to make the argument for Acadian Driftwood.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Casady & CashJust reading "Uncut" last night, and there's a feature on "White Rabbit" with everyone except Grace Slick discussing the song.
Jack Casady (no doubt blushing from having just been described as "the greatest bassist in rock & roll") said:
Historians and journalists discuss lyrics. Bands don't. They're supposed to be left to your imagination.
Fair enough, except that Kaukonen and Kantner have just spent the previous paragraphs discussing the lyrics. But then both have written lyrics themselves. Casady's comment is true of most bands, in that few bands spend hours discussing whether the drummer should be hitting the hi-hat or the crash cymbal, or the position of the treble control on the bass guitar amp. The lyrics are done by one or two people at most, and with any song the lyric comes through without analysis. And there are great lines in great songs which stick in the head without you thinking why. BUT historians and journalists and SOME fans are interested in the lyrics.
BTW, if you see the latest "Uncut" (Johnny Cash cover) the "Johnny Cash: Untold Story" is excellent. (That was 0.1p a word blogging fee from Uncut earned there, but 0.001p from the Estate of Johnny Cash).
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Posted by:roz
Web: My link
.. good song
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: That Wrasslin' Movie
Jake the Snake should sue the people who made The Wrestler. Original, my ass! The guy obviously watched "Beyond the Mat" and wrote Jake Roberts' biography down in the form of a screenplay.
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTBob W., Dunc, Jeff, Steve, and Northern Boy. Thanks for your positive feedback about my Acoustic Ramble ramblings. It had been awhile since I’d been to a show at Levon’s, and I couldn’t have asked for a better night. NB, I’m pretty sure they’re going to try to do more of these acoustic Rambles in the future, so you might get another opportunity to go.
Jeff, I’ve seen Jimmy V in the past with the Barnburners and at other Rambles, but this was the first time I’d seen him in more of a solo situation for the songs. Also Mike Merritt really impressed me on bass. Those two make quite a team. I probably won’t get to any of the other shows this week that you mentioned, but thanks for the heads-up. I’ve seen Catherine Russell before in the city. She’s pretty amazing too.
Ari, sounds like you had quite an adventure. There is a pretty magical vibe about Woodstock, especially for Band & Dylan fans. I also think the geography of the place has a lot to do with it too. When I drive into Woodstock from CT, I’m heading West, and I cross the Kingston/Rhinecliff Bridge over the Hudson River. It’s a fairly long bridge…probably a mile or so long and is very high up. The bridge is higher in the middle than at the ends, and as you drive over the bridge, Overlook and the other mountains seem to rise from the land. It usually works out that I’m crossing the bridge around sunset, and it’s a pretty awesome scene…the setting sun slightly to the southwest, Overlook mountain rising slightly Northwest, and the majestic Hudson river flowing along underneath. If I’m thinking, I usually have something on like the Basement Tapes as a soundtrack, but this past weekend I had been listening to The Grateful Dead Europe ’72 album in the car, and ‘China Cat Sunflower’ was playing as I was crossing the bridge. It was a pretty nice sunset for a Winter day and made for a really nice moment.
The last time that I visited Big Pink was a couple of years ago. I had been in Willow for the weekend, and swung by Big Pink on my way home. We were kind of in a hurry, so I just had my wife take a quick photo of me standing in the driveway while my kids waited in the car. I could only imagine that they didn’t quite understand why their father was standing in a seemingly random driveway in front of a pink house in the middle of nowhere. I told them that the Band used to make music there……Umm…OK Dad. Can we go home now?.... My kids have seen Ollabelle a number of times and been to a couple of Levon gigs, but they’re still too young to grasp the heaviness of the whole Band & Dylan & Big Pink connection. To them, the Catskill Mountains are the place where Rip van Winkle fell asleep. :-)
On the historical accuracy of songwriting discussion, I suppose I come down on the side of it being OK to take some creative license with the facts when creating art. My impression was that the song was inspired by the plight of the Acadians, rather than meant as a literal timeline of events. But it comes down to what Robbie’s intentions were. Did he intend to write a history lesson, or did he intend to make a work of fiction that was inspired by some actual events. Or maybe it was little of each. I’m a fan of the work of Hunter S. Thompson whose claim to fame was Gonzo journalism, “which was based on William Faulkner's idea that ‘the best fiction is far more true than any kind of journalism — and the best journalists have always known this’.” So I think it comes down to expectations. I personally fell that a song like Dixie or Acadian Driftwood is meant to invoke a feeling and be a vehicle rather than a strict accounting of facts. On some level I think that Robbie might have been as drawn to the idea of being a displaced Canadian as much as he was to the specifics of the plight of the Acadians.
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Posted by:Charlie Y
Location: Down in Old VirginnyAri: I liked your essay about your trip to the Woodstock area. You have a great way of recalling details and should consider expanding that into a blog wih photos if you have time.
A suggested video on "You Tube" for me this evening was a cover version of "The Weight" by the band called Panic at the Disco. Jan's site lists over 60 covers of the song since 1968.
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: double standardsWestcoaster -
What's up with your recent rags? It seems to me to be a double standard to claim "it's song not a hisory lesson" and then in the next sentence to refer to the ambiguity of JRR's songwriting:"that's the purpose, to keep every one wondering". And in fact that song is a history lesson.
I'm afraid you're on very shaky ground with this one.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Kermit
Good Grief Charlie Brown! Steve is back with his pet frog.
Aww, if only I had all your knowledge and expertise when I was ten years old Steve. I'm sure that listening to you day after day after day has been a great learning experience for everyone here.
The buddy who admires you, should be the last one to talk about (snide remarks). You and your "Put'em up Jeff, alias Friend Zero", and I can't even remember all the other alias should take your own advise.
The ignorant crap that you have piled on Robbie Robertson, and others here with your snide, sarcastic remarks has become so boring, as Deb said the other day. It's not worth looking at any more.
Your pouring your heart out about the history of the Acadians has nothing to do with the song. It's a song, not a history lesson. Just as some movies are movies.
Some others interpretation of "Rockin' Chair" are a similar deviation.
"I spent my whole life at sea, now I'm turnin' age 73,
means that! If some one wants to use their imagination, and turn it into, Ispent my whole life on a sea of turmoil in my life, possibly on the road playing music, or whatever scenario the mind can conjure up. Well, you can make up anything.
There is ambiguity in much of Robbie Robertson's songs, that's the purpose, to leave every one wondering. Critisize all that you will. He wrote them, the job was done long ago. Now of course with your considerable knowledge you can rewrite them, and I'm SURE you'll be very successful.
Then of course, every one here will want to challenge for some of the rights to your songs, because they were here. It must be really uplifting for you and Jeff to be so RIGHT all the time about every topic you choose to blabber on about. Yes, it's been very educational.
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Posted by:L'ami de Steve
L'heure entre chien et loup. When dusk becomes night as the sun slowly wanes between the mountain ridges. This is the time when day and night exist together. This is the time when objects become dim to sight, and from far away, the lingering approach of a silhouette can be seen. Friend or foe. Or someone who protects. Or just a dangerous wolf. This is the moment when both the righteous and errant paths all become crimson.Steve, ne pas craindre. Je suis un ami.
Bonne nuit.
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Posted by:L'ami de Steve
Go for it Bill, taille de pénis is more your expertise. Your snide remarks are no more than brief flashes of ignorance, just like your friend Westcoaster. They are jabs that slowly bleed out politeness and caring.I'm behind on the latest and just read Carol Caffin's interview with John & Bill Scheele. Ecriture excellente by the way. I was struck by these comments from Carol and John Scheele.
JS: Yes, which goes to something that's been said about Rick having an "arrogant personality" or something... that was absolutely not Rick!
CC: I know. That "arrogance" thing was such a ridiculous assertion, and anyone who knows him knows that.
Who on earth called Rick arrogant? Was it one of his peers? Another musician? I'm étonné by such a comment regarding Rick précieux.
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Posted by:Steve
50 what Roz?Norm dogs and other animals with high quality sniffing apparatus can actually smell fear. Those hormones your body starts pumping out when you're afraid actually makes dogs more aggressive when they smell them. The problem really wasn't the dog.
Maybe you could have just had your mother walk you to school and saved the dog the torment.
L'Ami, mon Ami. Ca va? I was just thinking today of the saying in French, " Entre Chien Et Loup" and was wondering if it was a Quebecois saying or if it's used in France as well. I've always loved the imagery of that line.
Since you got all those nice accents on your letters I thought you might know.
Too bad The Band didn't name their song Entre Chien Et Loup just for a little cache. Man I wish I had your accent.
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Posted by:rosalind
I remember picking up Clapton's "Backless" in a cutout bin, taking it home expecting to hear Clapton. I put it on and got this real pukey feeling. he must have been having some erectile disfunction while putting that record together. Nothing ever done that to me before or since. I never thought the huy was half as talented as people claimed he was..I was listening to Sign Language off No Reason To Cry this evening while driving home. Wow, what beautiful guitar in that song.
I wanted to mention something else but I forgot what it was. Memory's like a scared bird when you get old. I'm one month away from 50.
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Posted by:Tracy
I actually thought "The Pros and Cons Of Hitchhiking" was some of the best playing Clapton had ever put on vinyl. Emotional, inspiring guitar playing without him opening his mouth. A thousand times better than the watered down latte music he does now. Really, any of his work with the late great Michael Kamen is excellent. Have you ever heard the live version of "Edge Of Darkness" from "24 Nights?" Stunning!
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: Technology
This has nothing to do with the Band or music, but it really hits the nail on the head about keeping up with the latest technology. Funny!
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Posted by:Bill M
L'ami: We're happy to let you be the judge.
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Posted by:L'ami de Steve
Win what? Is there a contest going on? Or is this a figment of his small brain? L'homme souffre des problèmes de colère. Il doit avoir un petit pénis.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Dawgs!
Well I mean hell, any Junk Yard Dog woulda took the dawg's side........HAW! HAW! HAW!
I guess it's why so many women carry it for protection now a days, cops use it, people use it on problem animals, pepper spray. To ruin every one's eyes OF COURSE!
How gawd damn feeble can yuh get......you'll never win.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Ari
Thank you! That was wonderful! You should send a copy to Levon.
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Posted by:David P.
Web: My linkSubject: The Beatles Bark
Link to rare Beatles video of "Hey Bulldog".
Michael Vick thought Marley & Me was about the reggae musician, who shared an affinity for his favorite herb.
Roger Waters has already covered The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking, a rather boring concept album featuring Eric Clapton.
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Posted by:Friend0
Location: The Humane SocietyThrowing pepper in a dog's face.
Laughing about it. Still laughing about it today. Proud of it.
Throwing pepper in a dog's face easily could damage a dog's eyes.
There is an old expression the child is father to the man. The first BS & T album was titled that. (And according to Kooper, almost the whole band was under psychiatric care).
Anyway, it looks like this GB has it's very own Michael Vick.
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Posted by:Steve
Interesting stories Bill, both the hitch hiking and Jericho. I think most people who hitch hike and the people who pick them up are basically one and the same, only the car separates them. Remember, Life Is A Highway.I'm hoping to have time to get to that link you put up yesterday before it slips too far into the GB's past and I forget. Gotta go, I got my 18 year old son's waiting for me in his ski gear and he's sweating.
Jean, just remember, if you're ever hitch hiking and my mother comes along, you've got a ride.
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Posted by:Bill M
Subject: "The Caves of Jericho"Those of you who are avid followers of the GBTV "Who Really Wrote It" soap opera will appreciate this bit from Rob Bowman's BARK liner notes:
"'Caves of Jericho' was originally written by Richard Bell, producer John Simon and Levon Helm when Bell was a member of the reconstituted Band and the Band had recorded it for their 'Jericho' album alongside Colin's 'Remedy'. In the process of writing the song Bell spent the best part of two weeks going to the library every day researching mining disasters. When he emerged he had crafted a lyric worthy of Robbie Robertsion that managed to capture the desolation, pain and struggles of a mining community in Kentucky.
"'He went about it in as academic a way as you can imagine', remembers Linden.
"John Simon added a couple of chords and Levon Helm contributed a few words but Bell wrote most of the song. The version included here was originally destined for a Richard Bell solo album that, sadly now that Richard has passed away, will never be completed.
"Colin takes the opening verse, his phrasing clearly indebted to that of Rick Danko. On the second and third verses Tom and Stephen, likewise, uncannily echo Levon Helm's lead vocal from the Band version. 'We weren't imitating', asserts Linden, 'But we were under the spell of Rick and Levon.'"
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Posted by:Friend0
Westie, "sneaked"?Why'd you have to sneak down the big box of pepper?
Maybe mom wouldn't approve of you injuring a dog so you could take a shortcut.
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Posted by:Bill M
Jean: I'm with Steve re hitching. Virtually all of mine was done in the '80s - over 1000 rides and no bad experiences, aside from some flat tires and empty tanks, one incident where a loaded rifle was passed back and forth across me so that the driver and his chum could take turns shooting roos in the dark, and one incident of rattling around in the back of a cube van being driven badly by a drunk. In return I got tons of stories, tons of education, tons of opportunities to see places / people / things that'd I'd never've seen otherwise. Plus a couple of close friends of the life-long variety. We still pick up hitchikers when we see them (which is very occasionally these days), and so far they've all been harmless - and quite often interesting. We picked up one guy in the rain because he'd just missed the bus (this was in Toronto) and he turned out to be an Inuit carver who opened the sports bag he was carrying to show us the two-foot soapstone narwhal he was finishing up.
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Posted by:Bashful Bill
Location: Minoa, NYSubject: Ari
What a fun read. Mt first visit to Woodstock was one long procrastinated - I drove down for Rick's eulogy in Bearsville. I wrote at length about it at the time, but one of the many points I relate to in Ari's story is the atmosphere. It was intermittently rainy,& just a gray soggy day. I referred to it as a perfect Band day, almost sepia toned with so many clouds hanging low over those mountains. I can't explain why, but that 1st view of Overlook from the highway moved me, & still does every time I see it.I went down a couple times over the Winter to see Levon's Barburners(once with Garth),then the following Spring my ex&I drove down one Wed to see the Barnburners but also, this time, to find Big Pink. I recollect feeling so satisfied, as I thought she was the love of my life(& she was, at that time in my life, though it turned out I didnt even know her)& it felt good that she would go along with something many would find silly or even inane. We found it with little problem, armed with directions which Dennis had sent me. Again - so very moving,the first sight of it, for almost the same reasons as Ari describes. It's a shrine. The former Mrs Bashful Bill even had a hushed tone in her voice as we pulled up&she said "There it is"..... The only thing out of place was a satellite dish attatched to the house. Nobody was around, & I wouldnt do this again, but at the time I couldnt resist & I did the same thing Ari&so many others have done & prowled around&touched it & she even took a picture of me peering into the basement. We went back afew more times, with friends made here in this guestbook(&I've always regretted turning down the Dankette's invitation to join them on their infamous visit) & its still moving, but that first time was cool in ways that subsequent visits can't reproduce. A lot of things in life like that. But, again, that was a fun read.......
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Posted by:Jean
Sorry Steve - I didn't mean to insult your mother. I admire her pluck (NB, I've always wanted someone to say that about me; alas, Ari got the compliment. Guess I'll have to make that 89 mile trek to Woodstock and have my own adventure...). Regardless, I can't encourage Ari to start picking up people on the side of the road just to prove his faith in his fellow man. I understand all the arguments outlined in your post, I just can't sign on to them.However, well said and your serve.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Song Catcher & a Dawg
Good Morning Peter; Last night I happened on a pretty good film on TV. I fought to stay awake, and managed to watch it thru 'till midnight. Called song catcher.
It starred Janet McTeer, (unknown to me), and Aidan Quinn, a Chicago born Irish boy, (like P Brennan). I've liked a lot of Quinn's movies.
Janet McTeer is a college professor in England, (musicologist). She is passed over for a promotion. She is so upset she leaves, goes to America, and ends up in the Appalacian mountains in the west of North Carolina. Her younger sister is a school teacher there.
To her amazment she finds these mountain people singing Irish, Scottish and Enlish folk songs and ballads perfectly preserved with the vocal accents of their way of speaking, and played with banjo, fiddle and guitar.
As she has a cylinder recording machine with her, she begins to catalogue the music and record it. A low budget film of not great renown. However the musical sound track is great, (google it on wikipedia).
The jewel at the end of the film, is Emmylou Harris singing, Barbra Allen, as no one can like Emmylou.
Dawgs! When I was ten, where we lived at that time, to go to school, if I went thru a back alley, (which was a much shorter walk) I encountered a VERY big German sheperd. He used to scare me so much I was almost sick. It really got to bothering me to the point where I thought about it too much. One day in a hurry home from school and running, which of course insights dogs, of course there he is.
But a man came out to help me by who knew the dog, and he called out to the dog, "go on Pepper". So the dogs name was pepper. Of course this gave me the idea. The next morning I took a piece of tinfoil, and sneaked down my mothers big box of pepper, and put 3 table spoons in the foil.
When I came up the alley, out comes Pepper snarling and salivating right in my face. I had the pepper ready and flung it out right in his face. To this day I laugh myself silly over it. That dawg just about turned himself inside out sneezing and whining, and never came near me again.
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: Jean Never Give Me The Benefit Of The Doubt, maybe Just A ," Well Said"No Jean, I wasn't joking. My mother has made it to close to 80 so far and I credit her good health mentally and physically to her personality, her faith in people and her total lack of fear of life and people.
Where most people don't want to get involved when they see injustice happening that doesn't effect their little lives, my mother leaps right in.
I think her attitude towards picking up strangers who are hitch hiking is a great example of her lack of fear, or maybe her faith in humanity.
The episode you referred to was not quite as you remember it. A man in his 50's was attempting to steal a 25 lb bag of safety salt she had bought while she went into the parking lot to get her car to come back and pick up the bag.
She gave him shit for the attempted theft and then demanded that he carry it to her car and put it in her trunk, which he did with his tail between his legs. He even apologized. She's not violent, never has been, she doesn't need to be, she has confidence and determination and she stands her ground. That's my mother.
Fear is just a wall we put up between ourselves and others and you know putting up walls is not healthy and never the answer.
Ari don't start living in fear of people, it's not healthy. Picking up hitch hikers when we were younger was cool, and as far as I know people are still basically the same as they were 30 years ago. When you fear people you start treating them as being different from yourself and you start caring less about them.
Actually before my mother learned to drive in her mid 50's, talk about fearless, she was a hitch hiker herself. She wouldn't waste money on taxis( she's always pointed out that she has two good legs) so she'd walk the two miles to the local shopping center with her two cloth shopping bags and fill them with groceries and then start home carrying about 30 lbs of food and she'd flag down people to give her a lift. Some she knew, most she didn't.
She also doesn't fear people who are obviously different from her. When she couldn't find the funeral home in Montreal for her sister's funeral, she stopped asked a young guy for directions, which involved him getting in for the ride during which he told her a little about the village in Pakistan, near, but not in the tribal area we hear so much about on the news.
She always picks up Mohawk teenagers hitching on the highway. Their reserve is between where she lives and Montreal. I think her attitude helps keep her young and involved.
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Posted by:David P.
Web: My link
In the mid-'70s, the scrappy, overachieving defensive unit of the University of Georgia's football team became known as Dooley's Junkyard Dawgs. The name was coined by head coach Vince Dooley's defensive coordinator Erk Russell, who helped epitomize the image by butting heads with his defensive linemen during pre-game warm-ups. This often resulted in bloody cuts on the coach's bald head, an image that helped stir the team, and its fans, to the proper level of intensity. The nickname even inspired James Brown to immortalize the team in song (link above), which he once performed with the Georgia Red Coat Band at halftime.
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Posted by:Jean
Ari, be careful if you take Steve's advice. I recall a post from Little Pink about his mother beating up someone in a Home Depot (or some big box store)parking lot. The 'helpers' might not mess with her, but picking up strangers is never a good idea. And Steve you should know better than to give this kind of advice - shame on you! I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume (always dangerous) you were going for the laugh. :-D tsk tsk tskThat was quite an adventure, Ari. Thanks for sharing the details.
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Posted by:Steve
ARI, I suggest you take my mother's approach to getting directions from people you ask on the side of the road. She asks them get in the car and personally direct her there. She used to stop and ask people and then a few minutes later end up right back where she'd asked for directions. Her new method works wonderfully.After finding her way she returns the helper( that's what she calls them)to the spot she picked them up. She's a visual learner, verbal directions are of absolutely no use to her.
There was something hobbit like about your adventure in the cemetery, actually I had that feeling about your whole adventure.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Junk yard dogsNorm mentioned junk yard dogs, a useful phrase. In the 60s, at Christmas, students worked for the post office. Two were assigned to each regular postman (they were all men in those days). You each did half the round and the regular guy sorted the mail, or post, as we call it. There were two deliveries a day, and you got off at lunch time Christmas Eve (but got paid for the afternoon) because the regular guy would do the delivery and collect his “Christmas boxes”, i.e. tips. The first couple of years were good, then they decided they couldn’t employ only male students any longer, and employed females too. That was a swine, because in those gender-prejudiced days it meant the boy would get 60% or more of the round and the girl 40% because “the bags would be too heavy for her to carry.” Nowadays that Christmas job has gone for thousands of kids, because sorting is automatic and postal workers do the rounds themselves, and two deliveries a day has long gone.
Anyway, six years of that made me an authority on the junk yard dog. I got bitten badly (still have the scars) by a German Shepherd at a pub. It had already savaged a child badly and bitten the regular postman and they had a restraining order placed on the dog. It bit me and was put down.
But as I drive along a four lane road in the suburbs of Bournemouth (Ringwood Road, West Howe, for Roger) I recall the junk yards and smallholdings that lie beneath the smooth tarmac. That was a classic junk yard dog area, and the regular guy gave me a night stick and showed me how to use it if a dog attacked. He also instructed me what to do with dogs that flung themselves at the door barking savagely. Wait, and shove the mail through right at the dog’s jaws and with luck it would rip it to shreds before the owner got there.
Well, there was one place, a genuine junk yard, which had had a warning twice about controlling its dog. While I was there it took a lump out of the guy doing the other half of my post round. And I had to go and stick a notice on the gate. They were told that they would no longer receive post, but would have to collect it at the sorting office.
The moral is that if you have a junk yard dog, and you don’t keep it on a short chain, then you don’t get post(s). The number of posters here is reducing, and people have e-mailed me and said they’re getting fed up of one very noisy, very aggressive junk yard dog, who spends his time barking at people or chewing on the same old bone.
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: Slippin' and a Slidin'I know how ya feel Jeff.. it's been a while since I've juiced too.
I'm watching this movie called "Flawless". Somehow this beauty slipped my radar. It's got DeNiro in it as a stroke survivor and the most amazing Phillip Seymour Hoffman as a cross dressing entertainer. Two really amazing performances.. especially Hoffman. They're playing it this month on the pay channels. Check it out if you haven't seen it.
Ari - If you ever meet Levon and he's so inclined as to give you a little gift of a pair of drum sticks,, don't jump around and excitedly run all over the place - You'll put your eye out!
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: The Walker Brothers… were huge in the UK in the mid sixties. Then they had later solo hits, by John Walker and Scott Walker. Scott Walker is nowadays considered to be the sort of elite artist that everyone praises and gives five stars to in review's of his decade-apart albums, but few actually listen to.
I remember a Walker Brothers concert, afterwards with crowds of girls round the stage door screaming for autographs (as was the girl I was with). They brought the Daimler limo up and drove it to the stage door, scraping it along the brick wall deliberately for 50 yards to let them in safely. When I worked at that hall three years later the scrape marks were still there, and the doorman would point sagely and say "Walker Brothers. Very big, they were." Because by then, they already weren't.
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Posted by:Friend0
Ros baby, the juice machine is a grand idea. I use to have two of em. Made fresh juice everyday, never left out the beets, spinach and celery. Usually had 10, 11 different vegetables going in that there sucker. Lotsa greens. Breaking it down and cleaning it and everything within a ten foot radius was a bitch though. Unfortunatley, ain't juiced since 97.
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Posted by:rosalind
That's what I used to say. Too bad life only goes in one direction, huh? Have fun and have fun as long as you can BUT don't take drugs, don't smoke reefer or cigarettes, don't drink anything stronger than de-caf coffee, never have sex, don't drive fast, look both ways, don't eat cholesterol-laden foods or anything containing sugar or salt, be in by 7pm, lock all doors, prop your head on at least two pillows when you sleep, have your house checked every year by a good electrician, never miss a doctor's appointment, take all your vitamins and invest in a juice machine and please stay off the nickel. Oh yeah, and always wear clean underwear.... just in case.
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Posted by:Ari S.
Thanks for reading it guys. Rosalind - Nah, that'll never happen.
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Posted by:Kristie
Subject: Northern BoyThanks for the link. I walked the dog by the house today and hummed "castles made of sand." I am very happy that it is being saved from becoming condos like every other heritage house in this city slowly is.
And I am going to see Jim Byrnes at a charity concert on January 16th. The concert is being held to benefit keeping the St. James music academy running. My little sisters go there.
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My linkI read the whole damned thing Ari. I envisioned you as you made your way through that restaurant, sneaking glances at yourself in the mirrors and feeling cool like in the Carly Simon song.
As good genes and luck slowly move along, you will find yourself entering middle age. Probably at the age of about fifty you'll find yourself becoming very defiant of bone yards. You'll find yourself seeking them out and whistling past them with a sneer on your face. You'll find yourself easing on up to a newly dug grave and spitting deep in the hole just to piss it off. You'll also begin laughing at your own idealistic youth. You'll remember back to this time when you put yourself out just to meet some stranger who's music turned you on. I would love to say you that I envy your youth and idealism.. but I'm just too... fucking... old... to... care.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Subject: Ari's Paragraph
I for one have read it (as I do all your posts) and I enjoyed your day, vicariously speaking. And good on you for having the pluck to go to Levon's !
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: My paragraph
Thanks for reading it Krisite. I don't know why, but it doesn't have any of the original spaces I added. I didn't mean for it to be one paragraph, my computer is weird though. I was worried nobody would read it because it is too long. I HOPE YOU ALL GLANCE AT IT.
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Posted by:Friend0
There is a moral to that video.
Separately, Steve, you do realize that you are now almost officially a collaborator.
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Posted by:kristie
Web: My linkSubject: A taste of Giant Sand
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Posted by:Friend0
Kritie. Winston Watson, Dylan's great drummer of several years, was and sometimes still is a member of / particpant in Giant Sand.
One great drummer.
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Posted by:Friend0
Calvin. from what my research has shown, the pay is from 3 cents to 8 cents a word, but posts from 200 to 500 words may pay 10 to 15 bucks a post. Steve was actualy getting top dollar from Norbert.
If you actually read my posts, you'll see I never accused Kristie of being paid to post here. Kristie did write
she worked for local INDIE blogs. I asked her what I asked her. There was a question mark at the end of the sentence.
She said no she aint paid and coninued the pleasant discussion we were having.
I accepted her answer,and said there is nothing wrong with blogging about music with out getting paid. Not once did I say or insinuate anyone was paid to post
here,and not once did I say that all music bloggers are paid. Those are the two things that Peter and Kristie have respectively written that I wrote, I wrote neither.
the thread was actually going well till Peter threw gas on the fire. The sad thing is, there was a good discussion going on that had begun to illuminate some very interesting phenomnas. Some of the things Kriostie did write before things got nuts were rather interesting. I was about to expand the discussion, and actually, the phenomena of people being paid to make blog posts about music woulda fit right into the conversation.
and truthfully you knowwo damn well that if any one but me, Bob, or steve had been the one to write about the fact that Indie record labels pay people to blog about music, cds and live performances, Peter would a welcomed the information and been discussing it himself. So Instead of expanding the discussion, Peter distorted the facts on what was actaully a good discussion.
33 words, you wouldn't get much of a check anyway
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Posted by:Kristie
Subject: Ari
Were you trying to rival Keroac's original manuscript of "On the Road" by writing the longest paragraph ever? Not sure if it was intentional , but I laughed the whole way through! Sounds like you had an eventful day! And you gave me some ideas for my own trip to Woodstock next fall.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: Bill M-BegBill M- I went to four bookstores today but had no luck finding the book. The library had a copy many years ago but has lost it. So I guess I will be checking on Amazon.
I did find a copy of "Bound for Glory," that is in way better shape than my current copy.
I also picked up "tinderbox"and am going to give it a listen now.
Beg-No problem. Some of my picks are pretty obscure. If you get a chance give them a listen.
Has anyone heard of Giant Sand? They make some of the strangest desert music that has a really eerie sound to it. Past Collaborators have included PJ Harvey, M.Ward(currently everywhere as a producer and also as one half of the duo "She and Him") and one Neko Case(who in my opinion can do no wrong). I think their first album came out in the early nineties.
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Posted by:Calvin
I wanted to what til I made sure the check was good, but my pick for album of the year is Charlie Haden's Rambling Boy followed closely by Otis Taylor's Recapturing the Banjo.
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: My trip to Woodstock today (Big Pink)Hey everybody I wanna tell you about my trip to Woody. It was today, January 5th that I would finally take my two hour drive to Big Pink.
I was in Barcelona when I decided that I should go, on my first day back to school, to drive up to Woodstock and see Big Pink. I had planned on only going to see Big Pink and then drive home until I decided that maybe I could pay a visit to Levon Helm (since I hear he is real friendly even to strangers who have the same appreciation for music as he does). That kind of sizzled out because I deemed the idea to grand for a random Monday morning. I figured I wouldn't be prepared anyways. So the night before I made two CD's that would mesh well on my 2 hour ride to Woodstock. I had a GPS and printed out a bunch of mapquests too help me (I didn't end up using the mapquests though). When I woke up the next morning at 7:30 everybody was cranky with the Monday blues and the back from vacation bitterness. Except I was really happy-so it was good news. I wore a light dark blue sweater, jeans, a non chalant fedora hat (similar to the one Robbie wears in those photos of them as mystery mountain men), and new brown classy boots (I unintentionally bought those boots in Barcelona and it just so happened that they looked exactly liked Levons). I was fittingly dressed for the occasion.
At 8:30 I was on the on road with a coffee and listening to the earlier Hawks stuff which I had gotten from A Musical History. I sort of tried to listen to it in chronological order, but I made sure not to listen to anything after Stagefright.
The ride was fine, I enjoyed it, I love long car rides, especially when the forthcoming destination is apt to be so rewarding. On the way there was a dead dear whose head had been decapitated by a car. I saw the driver on the side of the road.
Finally I got there and went through the toll booth. When I got to the intersection following the tollbooth it reminded me of Portland, Maine and the depressing endless McDonalds and Holidays Inns across the main road. I drove straight into the McDonalds and went to the bathroom. The people in there must have thought I was crazy because I was dressed so nice. But everyone was smiling so it was fine.
The weather was strange, I was a little dissapointed because it was really overcast, but it later proved to be the perfect setting for the atmosphere, it made me feel like Allen Toussaint in that story Robbie tells about him going into shock from the bitter cold of Woodstock.
When I got back to my car I decided that since it was only 10:30 and I had the rest of the day to kill, I would visit Rick's grave. So I cancelled the current route on my GPS and changed it to Maple Lane. The GPS fucked up and sent me back on the highway. So as I approached the man at the toll booth if he knew where the Woodstock Cemetery was. He told me to pull over and get out and he would try to help me because I was holding up another car. I did. I told him I was not from the area and he asked why I wanted to go there. I said I was looking for a musician. Rick Danko. His face didn't light up, but I could tell he was taken aback. He said "Ya know, I am good friends with Levon Helm." It's true; everyone in town is friends with The Band. "Really!?" I said. He told me that they were good friends and that he loved The Band. He even told me a funny story about how he once picked up Rick Danko on the side of the highway at night because Rick was hitchhiking. I then told him that I was sad because I wanted to see Levon and Hubert Sumlin on January 10th. This is when he got excited. He handed me a Muddy Waters CD. He told me that he had just ran into Hubert's son who gave him that as a present.
This whole conversation lead to me asking if I should pay Levon a visit. The man said "Yeah go for it." I didn't have his address so he gave a little note that said. "212. 166 Plokmin Road" At the time, I hadn't realized Levon lived so close to Plochmann so I didn't figure to make the connection that Plokmin was actually Plochmann. Because of that, I wasn't able to find "Plokmin" on the GPS so he gave me directions. I thanked him and made a U turn and headed towards Woodstock. I went through the quaint little town (which I love so much) and I passed the Woodstock Playhouse (I literally did a double take). I didn't go back, even though I should of, because I was so set on seeing Levon. Anyways, I overshot Plochmann because I misconstrued his directions to continue past the town. I continued through the town about another 5 miles and was about to give up. Then I saw decided to turn around. As I was turning around though, I saw Wittenberg Road. HEY! I remember that for Sid Griffin's book. Rick lived there! I had no idea what the house looked like, but I figured that Wittenberg must have something down the road. It didn't, it took my the wrong way. I asked a local man for directions. He too knew vaguely where Levon lived. But he said I was going the wrong way. So I turned around and went back. I then turned to where I thought the toll booth man had told me to turn. It was on a side street near the Woodstock Music store. I figured the people at the music store could give me some advice because they had a big sign that said LEVON HELM on it. By a strange stroke of luck I parked my car right next to an art gallery. I stopped a woman in her car and asked for help, she too told me that I still needed to go down a little more (she also vaguely knew where Levon was). When I got back to my car I realized that I was surrounded by a beautiful, and kind of creepy, cemetery. I know there are a bunch of cemeteries around there but I had the feeling that I was destined to be at the Woodstock Cemetery. And of course, it was. I wasn't close enough to the entry so I moved my car to a private parking church parking lot. I was skeptical about this because 1) Northern Boy told me he could not find the grave 2) cemeteries scare me especially when nobody is in it 3) I thought it might be disrespectful (even though I was paying my respects. But I went in anyways. It was kind of eery because it's pretty big and spread out, and cemeteries are the scariest things, but it was really peaceful and something about walking through the path along the cemetery was really profound. I was glad I wore the boots and hat because it looked appropriate for a cemetery. The snow made it all the more beautiful and tangible (but it would cause me problems later). I had remembered reading in Carol's blog that it was in the rear center (near the road). I wasn't sure exactly what that meant but I also knew that it was next to his son Eli Damian Danko. As I got to the back of the cemetery I was ready to give up and was becoming antsy and even more scared because I could no longer see the road. I was about to give up and I didn't want to go onto the grass because I thought it was to wander about on the grass. But as an act of desperation I did it anyways. I thought "It's got to be here somewhere." Then I thought to myself "Oh shit! All this snow is covering up the flat graves!" I had remembered that they had built a new flat grave for Rick too replace that decrepit his old grave which was merely a little stand with his full name Richard C. Danko on it. But this was a problem because since it was flat, it might be "CACHE". Shit. But then I figured, well, I can use the snow, because if I look for an area of snow with more footsteps, than it probably leads to Rick's grave, because he is the most popular name in the cemetery. I was right. But I still couldn't find it, then all of sudden JUST as I was about to give up next to an creepy newly dug grave with no coffin I was scared of falling into (my greatest fear) I saw two adjacent flat graves. I didn't have my glasses but I could see sort of what looked like "Eli Damian Danko". I kind of braced myself and then walked over to Rick's grave. I removed my hat as I looked at the grave and paid my respects. It was kind of a transcendent moment for me and I don't remember having a feeling of false profundity. No it was natural. I went back to the path and looked for the first rock that stood out to me. The first one was basically the same as all the other pebbles but it was slightly larger and was light brown. I took placed it next to Rick's grave. Then I headed back towards the entrance. It was quite sad but I was kind of happy I had done it, I had always hoped to visit a grave of a famous person I respect so much after seeing Allen Ginsberg and Bob Dylan visit Keroauc's in (The Rolling Revue tour film I think. Then the discussion of Dylan having visited Victor Hugo's.
When I got out, I went into the art gallery to ask for directions to this nebulous Plokmin area. The man also knew who Levon was and he was very kind. Initally he said he didn't know where it was exactly, but he happened to give me very helpful directions. "If you've gone past the Golf Course, you've gone too far." I had forgotten that it was Zena road that was around there too, I should have visited but I wanted to visit Levon.
When I finally realized that Plokmin was Plochmann, I looked at my GPS, which was doing nothing, and saw that Levon actually lives in really remote area. I really admire him for seperating himself from the endless generation of old fogie rock stars from the 60's that move to California to rot in fakest place on Earht (sorry Robbie you're still the coolest person I've ever known). No but it is true, like John Simon once said "Levon's the real deal." It's true, he is 100% authentic music lover.
I was at this point, completely overridden with anxiety. What would I say to him? I finally got to Levon's lengthy driveway and got to toll both. Nobody was there. Shit. I got out of my car. It was really nice, i really liked his house. There was somebody in the distance. "Hello? Excuse me?" It was a man working on Levon's house. I asked if it was Levon's house. He said it was. He was a dumbass. If I were working on Levon's house I would break in and steal his drumming secrets.
Anyways he was an idiot and told me he didn't know if he was home. I was pissed at him, it looked like he wasn't home, I figured he woulda seen if a car came out, and it looked like there was no movement in the house. I wrote a little note, it wasn't a stupid overpraising note that some idiots probably write to their favorite celebrities, it was simple and it looked like I was sane and not a crazy stalker. I ripped off a piece of paper and wrote. "Dear Mr. Helm. My name is Ari and I'm 17. I drove out here today from Westchester. I want to thank you for music...etc." It was maybe 3 sentences and I didn't flatter him like he was a god. I thought it was tasteful. I hope. But anyhow I put it under a rock next to the toll both. I figure it probably blew away anyways because it was windy. I waited outside my car for a little bit until I was scared by Levon's loud barking dogs that seemed to have come out of nowhere. I went back into my car. I waited a little and then head off to Big Pink. It was actually only around 10 minutes away.
Since Big Pink was in the proximity of Levon's house I was still in the magical moment of imperturbability. The whole area off the mainroad and the Plochmann territory was magical. It was like a Disneyland of a Terrence Malick-Kelly Reichardt film. I loved it. It was like some sort of mythical hinterland of unchartered territory. The only feeling I can compare it to is visiting the Vatican (looking at it objectively of course because I am Jewish). It smelt great, like fire, and was like a private museum unbothered by any unworthy idiots. Needless to say I was spoiling myself.
I started shifting my music to only Richard Manuel penned songs, it seems that for seem reason I seem to identify him as the Band member who most vividly embodies the Woodstock lifestyle. When I think of the loneliness of the trees and the general area simply reminds of Richard. His songs are so Woodstock inspired, especially In A Station. Robbie's songs are also Woodstock inspired, but also allude to myth and seem more biblical than nature inspired. I finally approached Parnassus Lane. I took a picture of the mailboxes on my phone and a picture of the Parnassus Ln. sign. I also took a picture of the actual road. I didn't want to take to many pictures though, because I wanted it to live in my mind rather than in my phone. I turned off the GPS so I wouldn't have to listen to that stupid woman say "You have arrived at your destination." I drove down the dirt road looking around intently. I had Lonesome Suzie playing, and I figured it was the last house on the road. But it wasn't. It was in the middle. When I saw it, I was so depressed (don't misunderstand me). No I was so excited, but I couldn't explain the elegiac feeling of never being able to have that feeling of "not knowing what Big Pink looked like". It was different from the way I pictured it, I had always thought there were less trees in the area, but more trees have definitely sprouted since 1967. But nevertheless it was wonderful. I parked the car a little past the house. I got out and explored. I obviously took a picture emulatiung the famous picture on the album. That was an obligation. I only took one more photo afterwards of the house up close. I know I was suppose to keep my distance, but I didn't. I touched the door knob and went up to the door. I loved it. It was the greatest feeling. History was made here. Dylan was here. Robbie was here. Garth lived here. So did Rick. So did Richard. George Harrison was here. Eric Clapton was here. It was magical. I looked into the basement on the side of the house. It was hard to see, but I recognized it a little. Then I explored the area a little. Then I returned to my car.
I then went to look for where the pond where The Band looks to on that bench was. I hadn't realized that it was behind Big Pink. I realized this would be an impossible task because the beauty of the river and the trees was endless. I did however take notice of the whispering pines Richard sings of.
I went back to Levon's house to see if the note was still there. It was. So I turned around and went home. I completely went the wrong way because I had wanted to report back to the toll booth guy. I did, and he shook my hand and wished me luck (for my life I guess.) Womp. So I took the long way home and decided to take the Taconic rather than taking the Tappan Zee. In retrospect, it was good because I was able to drive 80 mph while listening to the blistering solos of Endless Highway and One Too Many Mornings.
I eventually got back to Westchester at 3:30, which needless to say sucked.
That's all.
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Posted by:brown eyed girl
Web: My link"In the Boston Globe I read William Fowler's essay about the role Massachusetts played in the Acadian expulsion, and I include it here for your interest.
A dark chapter in Mass. history
By William Fowler | July 23, 2005
"It was on July 28th, 250/4 years ago that the English expelled the French Acadians from Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, an area then called L’Acadie. The Acadians drifted down along the Eastern United States coast, settling where they could, till the remainder of them made it, eventually, to the bayous of Louisiana.
The music group “The Band” performed a beautiful song about this migration, written by their guitarist, Canadian songwriter Robbie Robertson, titled Acadian Driftwood. Here are the song's lyrics.
IT IS TIME for Massachusetts to recognize a great wrong. Two hundred and fifty years ago this summer, Massachusetts helped launch a brutal campaign of ''ethnic cleansing" against the Acadians of modern day New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.......
In the early 1840s Horace Connolly, the rector of St. Matthew's Episcopal Church in Boston, heard the story of the expulsion from his Acadian housekeeper. He shared her tale with his friend Henry Wadsworth Longfellow and in 1847 Longfellow published ''Evangeline, A Tale of Acadie." The epic poem begins ''This is the forest primeval. The murmuring pines and the hemlocks."
Although highly romanticized, ''Evangeline" helped keep the story of the Acadian expulsion alive. Over the last 250 years descendants of those Acadians who either eluded Winslow's troops or managed to return to their homes at a later time, have kept alive a vibrant Acadian culture in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. Determined to gain an acknowledgement of the injustice done to their ancestors these modern Acadians brought pressure on the Canadian government. In December 2003, the governor general of Canada, on behalf of the queen, issued a royal proclamation acknowledging this ''dark chapter" and declared that henceforth July 28, the day on which the expulsion was ordered be every year observed as ''A Day of Commemoration of the Great Upheaval," commencing on July 28, 2005."
Sorry Kristie but I didn't recognize many of the artists you highlighted. I'm a huge fan of Amy Winehouse because she writes her own music and is a fan herself of soul, ska and girl groups from the sixties.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: they call my home, the land of snowWeb: My link
Just a great day here today at the GB and my timing couldn't be better. Snowed in-work cancelled. Other than the work of shoveling out my 600 metre driveway, which in non-metric (ie. American) terms is the equivalent of Plochman Lane to Levon's place, give or take.
Todd: Exceptional post. The quality of your writing does justice to the quality of the concert. I'd love to take in an acoustic Ramble. As great as the regular ones are, I must confess I used earplugs.
Steve: Uncharacteristic clarity. You sober ?
Kristie: Very cool you live so close to the Hendrix house. See link. So Jimi's Grandma came to Vancouver in 1911 and stayed whereas the rest of the lot ended up down in Seattle but with Jimi and his dad coming back up to Van. periodically to stay with Grandma.
Bill: Thanks for info re: Hendrix House Concert. I actually posted about it when it took place back in May. (I've heard Jim Byrnes and the Sojourners do "Little Wing" live). If you scroll down to the photo in the link Byrnes and Randy Bachman are in the front row, and the the Sojourners, Jim's "gospel army" and a great group in their own right, are the three black guys in the photo. I enjoyed Byrnes performing with Amos Garrett recently but not as much as I do Jim with the Sojourners. Thanks too for the Byrnes info.; because of the dates I suspected he came up here due to Vietnam, but wasn't sure. You were right. Beulah Land was well-hidden but I found Harrison Kennedy and enjoyed him very much.
Friend0: All three of your men are spot-on. By the fence behind him, I'd say your N'awlins man is playing on the western edge of Jackson Square. I can picture the exact spot.
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Posted by:joe j
Web: My linkSubject: The Walker Brothers
Peter, weren't these guys big in the UK? I have to admit I'd only vaguely heard of them.
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Posted by:Peter V
If I may (and Jan's happy to add it) I'll append Steve's historical comments. I also think there are three David P. posts today that should also be added. How do you feel? This is what we used to do here.
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My linkSubject: Three " New" Artists I Highly Reccomend & The Best Music Video I've Seen Yet.
Kristie, I highly reccomend Roger Ridley, Grandpa Elliot and Clarence Bekker in the vocal category.
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Posted by:Steve
Nice post Todd, beautiful.Dunc I'm partial to Bruce's Central and South American revolutionary period. Great songs like, Rocket Launcher, Dust and Disel, Santiago Dawn come to mind.
But his whole collection of work is worthy listening. Google his albums and we'll see if we ( The GB Club) can agree on what's most worthy of your listening.
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Posted by:Bill M
Web: My linkSubject: Cockburn / Merryweather / Richard Bell / (not THE) Big Pink
Dunc: For what it's worth, my favourite Cockburn is "Nothing but a Burning Light" (which is a key line in a classic song by the brilliant bluesist, Willie Johnson).
Pat B: You, Dunc and Steve might, for different reasons, enjoy wandering through the linked brand-new Merryweather website. If you scroll down the home page, the first person you'll see (i.e., top left in the first photo) is a much younger Richard Bell. A bit farther down is a cluster of five photos / posters of a late '60s group with Cockburn that WAS to be the new Mynah Birds (as you'll read in the history). And the next one down is a poster for the Merryweather group playing at a new club in LA in '68, The Big Pink. Wonder where the clubowner got that name?
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Posted by:Dunc
Location: ScotlandSubject: Kristie, Peter, Bill M, Todd
Bill M:Enjoying BARK.
Kristie:The Bruce Cockburn album I bought is '|You've never seen everything'. I had never heard of Bruce until this GB.
Peter:I've enjoyed many of the articles.
:Todd:Enjoyed the post.
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Posted by:Bill M
Web: My linkSubject: link for Linden comp w/ Rick and Garth
I neglected to attach it to my earlier post.
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Posted by:Bill M
Kristie: Given your interests in history and music, you might pop down to the library and sign out "Such Melodious Racket" by Mark Miller. You'll learn an amazing amount about both.
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Posted by:Friend0
Subject: Todd / Vivino / Steve / Beck /BumblesTodd, thanks for your report on a wonderful show. If this was the first time you got to see Vivino outside of the Ramble Band I'm glad you got to see it. As youknow, he's been one of my favorite musicians since 85 or 86, the first two times I recall seeing him. At The south Street Seaport, with Felix Cavaliere, Dino Danelli,the drummer, and gene Cornish, from the Racals, and with Al Kooper, Harvey Brooks, in a Kooper show at The Bottom Line. After that,it's been nonstop if I'm in NY.
IF you want to see Jimmy in two also very diferent settings, this Thursday and Friday, hit the Cutting room Thursday is Jimmy's birthday show. Friday is the BLack Italians. Thursday is with The Prisoners Of second Ave, and will probably feature more celebrity musicians. If I had to pick one show, I'd choose The Black Italians. Nothing against Conte and Pagano, but The Black Italians are in the cream of any crop. Anywhere, anytime. You can expect Catherine Russell to be at both shows, which is a delightful treat.
Having been in and out of the car for a few hours, I've had the opportunity to do some lyrical tweaking.
Just my own opinion (once again)
Never a lie from me
It was just my own opinion
Never a lie from me
Sings much better now.
Steve, as you often point out, everyone was far more involved back in the day of Dixie. Levon drove to the library, Diamond Helm told stories to reference, The entire Band had a lot more to do with working the songs up, and and I'd GUESS, contributed to the lyrics and wording.
Heard a very groovable strange song on the radio, part of the lyric was "two tables and a microphone". Beck. Not jeff, the other one.
Bumbles, if you are lurking, today is the anniversary of Johnny Adams birth, God bless his memory.
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Posted by:Kristie
Subject: Trivial Pursuit
EG. my family and I played both the American and Canadian versions of Trivial Pursuit this past Christmas, and the American game was over in Two hours well the Canadian version lasted until my uncle threw his hands up in disgust and stormed out after four hours!
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Posted by:Kristie
Subject: Canadian History
I am finding it more and more alarming that Kids are taught such little Canadian History in school(at least when I was in school). The focus in history, in my case, was always on European and American history. Very little time was spent learning about Canada. This may have just been the schools I happened to attend, but I have talked to people from all over Canada and they usually say the same thing.
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Posted by:David P.
For me, part of the beauty of "Acadian Driftwood", as a musical composition, is that it's one of those great Band songs that feature Richard, Levon & Rick all joining in on vocals.
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Posted by:Kristie
Subject: HendrixI live a block away from Hendrix's Grandmothers place. It is in my neighborhood in Strathcona. There is a tiny bar across from the Georgia Viaduct that he was said to frequent. I can't remember what it is called now but am walking by there today so I will check it out. It is a very small bar(maybe could fit 15 or 20 people at full capacity), and has a picture of Mao on the outside.
I have heard Band songs covered by other artists eight times, and four of those times it was "Acadian Driftwood."
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Posted by:Bill M
Peter V / Steve: I appreciate your discussion. If either of you need further evidence that commerce, like art, supercedes historical fact, there's always the example of the place of the expulsion in the economy of the Maritimes. On the Nova Scotia shore of the Bay of Fundy there's the Evangeline Trail, culminating at a park with a statue of the great lady herself - the one who was dreamt up in the 1860s by a New England poet. And there's the Acadian shore on the east coast of New Brunswick, complete with Evangeline and similarly named motels. Ditto on the west side of PEI.
NB / Peter V: I forgot to say earlier that another CBC radio show that played a couple of evenings ago was "The Hendrix House Concert", which featured a number of Vancouver singers and musicians - hosted by Jim Byrnes - playing Hendrix songs in what was his grandmother's house in Vancouver (at which he spent a couple of years when a boy). Speaking of Jim Byrnes, I did spot a couple of references to him in author Doug Fetherling's life in Toronto in the late '60s after having arrived from the US. Byrnes was based here then, having left the US to avoid Vietnam but badly in need of finding a bride so that he could stay (a la Levon Helm, in a way). If Fetherling's name sounds familiar, PV, it's because among his oeuvre is "Someday Soon", as book-length study of Canadian songwriting that is built around the work of Robertson, Cohen, Mitchell, Young, Lightfoot and Tyson.
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Posted by:Steve
Joan, look for The Acadians, In Search of a Homeland, by James Laxer. If you can find it it's the best of the lot I've read. Traces the Acadians to this day. They're an incredible group and still growing in number and influence.
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Posted by:Steve
Sure Peter, if you think they add something please go ahead. I'm sort of interested in the fact J2Rs didn't seem to put as much effort, factually, into the song as he had done for TNTDODD. Could it be just the general trend in the Band during the latter years of less effort being dedicated to songs. TNTDODD seems to have been much better researched for details.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Steve
Thank you for that info. I'm very interested. I will make a foray to the library to follow up. I'm embarrassed to admit my knowledge comes mostly from Evangeline.
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: VerisimilitudePerhaps Robbie, as a student of film, was merely following the advice of the newspaper editor in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance".
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
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Posted by:Peter V
But anyway … as the article says … Robbie had seen this stage play "Acadie acadie" and I'm sure he must have read the Longfellow poem, which is where most of the "facts" come from.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Acadian Driftwood
Steve, would you like your notes appended to the article? That's how the articles grew … if so, let me know.
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: Just The Facts Ma'amAll that may be true David, my point is that the WHOLE story is completely inaccurate to the point that it's only vaguely linked to the history of the Acadians.
Just a few notes on your corrective notes. By the way thanks for pointing me there.
First, the British didn't deport the Acadians. The American colonists had started the deportation, which the British Gov't was unaware of til the first deportation was already over. This is a section of the letter sent by Secretary of State Sir Thomas Robinson, to The Mass. born puritan, Charles Lawrence, who was the Governor of Nova Scotia, dated Aug 13,1775, two days after the first deportation.
" It cannot therefore be too much recommended to you, to use the greatest Caution and Prudence in your conduct towards these Neutrals { The Acadians}, and to assure such as them, as may be trusted, especially upon their taking the Oaths to His Majesty, and His Government, That they may remain in the quiet Possession of Their Settlements, under proper regulation".
The British Gov't looked upon the Acadians as useful settlers who were actually a benefit to the British cause in the area.
The British wantedthe French military and other French settlers who supported them out of the region, but not The Acadians.
The cleansing was done by the American colonists.If you know the history you'd understand the religious war going on behind the scenes between the Puritans and a French Catholic Abbe named Jean -Louis Le Loutre.
The Acadians were not proper Catholics ( they were of Huguenot ancestry from La Rochelle and Nantes)in Le Loutre's eyes.
Le Loutre wanted to force the Acadians out of their neutrality, at least in the eyes of the Puritans. He burned their their community of Beaubassin forcing them to move to the French Territory and this was enough of a reason for the puritans to swing into action.
I'm not aware of any Acadians who were shipped to Louisiana . The Acadians who ended up there first went to France, which they hated. When the Spanish colony in La. said they would accept them the Acadians jumped at the chance to return to America as long as it was to an area not under British supervision. The Spanish transported them there.
The thought that J2Rs' woman might have been behind his interest n the story is not very likely. The Quebecoise, especially her generation, don't have much interest in the Acadians. The Quebecoise consider themselves a distinct people from all other French speakers in Canada. That attitude is softening a little but was in full force in the 60's and 70's. She wouldn't have seen them as her community.
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Posted by:bob w.
Todd, thank you for your excellent review of the latest Ramble. Sounds like you saw a wonderful show. A great way to begin the musical New Year.
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Posted by:David P.
Another obvious link with Leonard Cohen and The Band is producer John Simon. Mr. Simon was assigned to produce "Songs of Leonard Cohen" when John Hammond (Sr.) became ill. Cohen and Simon had disagreements, or "words" as Mr. Cohen later characterized the situation, over the song arrangements of his debut Columbia album. For his follow-up "Songs From A Room", Bob Johnston was brought in to produce.
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Posted by:Peter V
As people said in the article on the site, it’s possible to get the main “truth” through about an event without sticking to the facts … so starting off with the hills smoking after a war is great “cinema” or “painting pictures for you” even if it didn’t actually happen very close in time to the evictions. The compression of events in Acadian Driftwood is as if nothing compared to the total absurdities in (e.g.) Braveheart. I never thought the inaccuracy of the facts interfered with my enjoyment of the song, and it makes the story more dramatic. It’s called “fiction” but that’s not necessarily perjorative.
Richard III is the best analogy. That is one of the great plays in the language. It turns out to be Tudor political propaganda against the previous regime which they had defeated, and Richard didn’t have a hunchback and had gained a reputation for good government and just dealing in the courts. But I still think he probably had the princes in the tower done away with. The Richard III defenders (or Yorkists) point to the case of a pair of mysterious elderly brothers living in some splendor deep in the countryside sixty years or so later … but I wouldn’t put too much credence in that. For sure, if the Tudors had known that the deposed Edward V was still around, he'd have lasted about five minutes. There’s not much evidence that Richard III's brother was drowned in a butt of Malmsey wine either. But someone killed him. Whatever, when you watch it, it is powerful drama.
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Posted by:Todd
Location: CTSubject: The Acoustic Ramble
The Acoustic Ramble was a thing of beauty. I’ve had a good time at all of the Rambles that I’ve been to, but the Friday night acoustic Ramble will be one to remember for a long time. It gave some of the other band members a chance to shine and Levon seemed perfectly happy just adding some occasional support on the drums.
Brian Mitchell was the first one out playing a solo set and showed what a genius on the piano and accordion he is. Jimmy and Mike did a stripped down blues set with Jimmy showing what a master he is playing slide guitar…Delta…Piedmont…Chicago….he can do it all. Larry, Teresa, and Amy’s set was unreal. ‘Attics Of My Life’ is one of the greatest things I’ve witnessed so far at a Ramble. It ranks up there with the performance of ‘Angel Band’ that Levon, Amy, & Emmylou did two years ago. Teresa and Amy’s voices were heavenly, and Larry showed a vocal side that I’ve not seen very much from him in the past. His voice sounded like a church organ. There were only the three of them singing during that song, but it sounded like a choir. Unreal!! Amy did an amazing job on Aretha Franklin’s ‘I’ve Never Loved A Man (The Way I Love You)'.
Jimmy switched to piano at one point and did tributes to Richard and Rick with ‘Country Boy’, ‘Sleeping’, ‘Share Your Love’, and ‘Blue River’. The man is fearless. When he was introducing ‘Blue River’ he made special mention of Rick showing him the song one day many years ago. Jimmy talked about how a great vocalist like Rick can add a line like “He’s just a dog you know” and make a great song even better. Aside from Jimmy’s heartfelt vocals and playing on these, it was a thrill for me to sit about six feet way and watch Levon play drums on ‘Sleeping’…. a classic Band song originally recorded just a couple of miles down the road at the Woodstock Playhouse.
John Sebastian sat in on harp and guitar at various point in the night. It’s the most animated I’ve seen him, and he seemed to be having quite a good time. Jimmy’s also got a pretty good sense of humor. When John came out with his guitar and harmonica in a rack around his neck, Jimmy cracked a joke about John needing a new dentist. Maybe you had to be there, but it was pretty funny. Levon was pretty funny too. At one point, before doing a Louvin Brothers song, Jimmy and Larry were trying to remember when it was that Charlie Louvin was at the barn. They couldn’t quite remember, but it ranged from two weeks to two months. After a bit of back and forth on this trying to remember when he was there, Levon pipes up with “Well..…it was last year!”. Big laughs from the crowd. Keep in mind that the acoustic Ramble was Jan 2.
So many highlights, but it was four packed hours of expertly played music covering the gamut of barrelhouse, gospel, blues, folk, country, soul, jug band, and bluegrass. The overall vibe reminded me a lot of some of the early Rambles that I’ve been to. It had a bit of that loose, improvisational, and flying by the seat of your pants quality to it. And in my book, that’s where the magic really happens.
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Posted by:Bill M
Subject: another reissue project with Garth and Rick
I see that True North recently issued a CD comp of Colin Linden's 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th albums, titled "The Columbia Years". Rick and Garth are on the 2nd, "When the Spirit Comes", which, totally coincidentally, I was listening to on vinyl last night. Rick sings an entire verse on the title song, and sing bg on "Chest Fever" and a couple of others.
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Posted by:Bill M
David P: Pete Brown chose to write poetry from a white room with black curtains in a station in black roof country where even the starlings were tired (and it gets even direr!). While Leonard Cohen had the wit to choose sunny Hydra instread, he didn't have the wit to avoid being fleeced by his manager. Go figure.
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Posted by:Friend0
Subject: Still,... Just My Opinion. Never A Lie From Me.David, as you say, the opinions of each listener can vary. To me, the invoking of a feeling is the artwork in Acadian Driftwood. Five men participated in that, 2 may have probably put in a whole lot helluva lot more time into the production than the others. But those Gawd Damn vocals!!Etc etc.
So Steve,maybe grading the song as a work of art, whaddya say, All Performances A+. Production, A+. Lyrics,C, D?
Can you guys hear the back up vocals in my subject line?
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: It's all Greek to me...
Bill M: In the case of L. Cohen, the room was in a white house on the Greek island of Hydra.
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Posted by:Friend0
Good Gawd Damn, sounds like Aristotle was a Robertsonian, Plato was a Hudsonian.
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Posted by:Bill M
David P: Wasn't it Plato who said, "Philosophising about poetry is like dancing about architecture"?
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Don't No Much About HistoryRobbie Robertson, a high school dropout, certainly wasn't a student of history, but established his credentials as a songwriter. One can go back to Aristotle's Poetics for his discussion of license regarding factual error.
"There is, however, within the limits of poetry itself a possibility of two kinds of error, the one directly, the other only accidently connected with the art. If the poet meant to describe the thing correctly, and failed through the lack of power of expression, his art itself is at fault. But if it was through his having meant to describe it in some incorrect way...that the technical error...or impossibilities of whatever kind they may be, have got into his description, the error is not in the essentials of the poetic art."
While under Aristotle's thesis, one might contend that Robbie might have better attained his poetic end in "Acadian Driftwood" without sacrificing technical correctness, the impossibilites of historical fact could be justified as accidents connected with the poetic art of songwriting.
As with any errors of fact in "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down", the listener must judge whether those errors in "Acadian Driftwood" are significant enough to distract from the power of the song itself. In both instances, by addressing the subjects in both songs in an aritistic manner, Robbie invokes the curiosity of the listener to pursue further exploration of the true possibilies of those subjects.
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Posted by:Bill M
Location: TronnoHappy new year, all.
BEG: Re Sara Dylan, what do each of the three words in "Born Again Christian" mean anyway?
I received just one CD for Xmas, BARK's excellent best-of, "Swinging from the Chains of Love". Notes by Rob Bowman are surprisingly good, considering. And the music! Jetted up to #2 of '08, replacing "Dancing Alone: The Songs of William Hawkins" (which is on the same True North label, oddly enough, as are all of the Bruce Cockburn albums that Dunc will be buying as '09 progresses - on the sly no doubt, hoping the kids won't notice the oatmeal in their hamburger patties). Standout song for me on the BARK is Willie P. Bennett's "White Line". Tom Wilson sings the first verse so deep that the bass sounds like a sympathetic reverberation. And Stephen Fearing gets to sing the killer canuckistential line, "Sunny days are what I pray for, cold and sunshine on my skin".
Another noteworthy arrival I had to buy for myself. We wandered across town to a grocery store we like in Scarborough's little Arabia, and there on the small CD shelf sat Fairuz's "Good Friday: Eastern Sacred Songs", meaning I can listen to the most beautiful songs ever recorded without having to resort to spinning an old Parlophone EP. I bought two copies in case I ever run into anyone else who seems likely to appreciate it.
On the Leonard Cohen front, if I heard correctly, CBC radio tonight will be running a tribute concert from Calgary. Don't know who'll be involved - but it'd be nice to think that Amos Garrett will be among them, given how he and Cohen would moved in some of the same circles back in the day.
Also re Cohen, is "Songs from a Room" an echo of our guys first album ("Songs from a House")?
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Posted by:Friend0
Subject: Just My Opinion / Never a Lie. Artist / Bullshit ArtistJust wondering? Maybe even voicing an opinion.
Can bad history in reality be great art?
Acadian Driftwood is a beautiful sounding song. It is gorgeous. If you don't pay close attebtion to the words, and research the truth, you don't know it is not factual. But I did always feel some incongruity in the lyrics. But it sounds great, it's gorgeous. Musical performance and musicality at it's finest.
But my personal opinion is that false history cannot be great art. It is a lie. How can a lie be art? If it can be real art, I'm interested in knowing.
Tell a story that does not involve the actual people or events but has some factual elements in it (change the names to protect the inncoent, sort of), in my opinion, that is a whole different matter.
The only way the telling of the tale(s) works Steve is if it is possible to think that the different singers were telling different parts of different stories. The word "Then" does become a problem though. but of course, one could say it was there to make things more singable.
STeve (Kristie, I'm leaving that capitol T there for you and in honor of my past prolifics. I'm very happy to see you preserve my legacy, sorry you did not remember) you do raise one significant issue. During the writing of Dixie, Levon did the driving.
I'm not a historian, but if you say that the historians present here agree with the facts of Dixie then that's good enough for me. And I believe you that the Acadian song has it's facts wrong. It's common knowledge that during the writing of Dixie, Levon did the driving.
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Posted by:Peter V
Web: My linkSubject: Acadian Driftwood
Steve, the link is to the article. Have you read it? A lot of the inaccuracies were followed through and shaken like a dog with a rat.
I pointed out that Shakespeare's "Richard III" is bad history, but great art, whereas both Mel Gibson's Braveheart and U-571 are both bad history AND bad art. I'd place Acadian Driftwood in the first group … bad history but great art.
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Posted by:rosalind
JTull - I'll check it out. You know the Ebert Rule? Yep, If Harry Dean's in it, it's got to have merit. I have found a wonderful website for play lists. They have virtually everything I have searched for. Every Neville Brothers album and all Band stuff, including the new box set and that Endless Highway deal that's new. I found it on "Stumble Upon" and it called "Finetune" It's free and Dang it's good! It's got stuff that no one else offers. Ancient blues and beautiful old and new bluegrass, Creole and Cajun, West Coast beauties like Kate Wolf and Buck Owens, Everything! Two names came up empty tho.. R. B. Morris and Bill Morrissey. Couldn't even pop up his "Essentials" album.
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Posted by:Jack
Web: My linkSubject: Happy New Year All
Jan, Who can forget the great commentator after the England v Norway game.
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: Have No FearNB, your mention of Acadian Driftwood and Peter's post just before mine fits nicely with what I've been doing on and off for the last month or so.
Back in the fall when I mentioned the obvious historical errors with Acadian Driftwood some people said you couldn't hold songwriters to the "facts", poetic license and all that.
I had pointed out the few problems that were obvious to me as someone with only a passing interest in the subject after reading the interview with J2Rs who mentioned how deeply moved he was with the Acadian story after learning the history of the deportation.
I found it kind of interesting that the one historical song about his own history could be so flawed yet typical of Canadian history nobody saw the errors or seemed to think they mattered.
We've sliced the history and details of TNTDODD every which way that is humanly possible and that seemed worthy, right down to the difference between East and West Tennessee attitudes towards slavery.
Why does Driftwood get a pass? Beginning with the title almost every detail is wrong.
The Acadians were not driftwood though it is a clever metaphor. there was no drifting til years later when they did slowly drift home, but at the time of the cleansing they were loaded into slave ships from Mass.. Like slaves they were chained on one of the three decks below the main deck til they arrived at their destination.
This was ethnic cleansing carried out by Puritans from Massachusetts, no more no less.
How accurate is the song?
The war was over and the spirit was broken--- The war hadn't started when le Grande Derangement was started. Actually the war didn't officially start til the cleansing was fully carried out a couple of years later. The Acadians will tell you that the spirit was never broken and the Acadians started returning to their homeland as soon as they possibly could.
We stood on the cliffs and watched the ships slowly sinking to their rendezvous.
J2Rs is talking about the battle on The Plains of Abraham which was 5 years later and app. 600 miles away which didn't involve the Acadians. The Acadians were living, those that survived, in Boston, Louisiana, France and other British colonies by this time. They were literally thousands of miles away. There was no battle at the time of the cleansing.
The operation was carried out like it is today. Round up all the men over the age of 11, hold them in chains and the women and young children won't run and hide, they'll come peacefully when you load their men on the ships.
The second verse later.
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: Big Love
Roz, The first season of Big Love was very good, but the second season was absolutely great. Season 3 starts on SUnday Jan. 18th and the wife and I cannot wait. It also features Bruce Dern.
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Posted by:Peter V
Web: My linkSubject: Song articles
Dunc: Thanks regarding “Rockin’ Chair.” At one time, I thought we could get through most of the songs that way. After the first few, it was done by announcing I was going to do a particular song, getting everyone to comment / give ideas, then assembling them all, linking everyone’s bits together and finding pictures, then Jan designed it all. I don’t think we could repeat the exercise. For a start, we had probably four or five times as many consistent regulars, and a lot of people contributed to the idea rather than stood back and criticized. I think the narrowing of the posting base plus a changed tendency to jump on other’s opinions / ideas (i.e. junk yard dogs) would make it much harder now.
There are 24 in the Library …Dlew, Jonathan Katz and SaDavid did songs too. Some were odd choices or “requests” from the GB.. Pepote Rouge was a request, so was Whispering pines. The process didn’t even get through all of the first two albums… I think I started either Jawbone or Jemima Surrender, but got no further than a few lines.
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Posted by:dlew919
Subject: Joan, NB, Kristie
i'm using my new phone, so if this looks likw it waa done by drunken baboons, and has no paragraphs, that's why ... Hi Joan and NB - the feeling is mutual. Kristie - can i admit a guilty pleasure? KId rock's stupid summer song. All i despair of in music: sampling and nostalgia: but darn if i don't tap my toes ...
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Posted by:Roger
Subject: Beating the Brits at football? Never.
Just to maintain the high level of pedantry for which this GB is rightly renowned, Norway beat the English team Jan. That's why the tribes across the border treated you so regally!
Happy new year all...
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Post made by "Max"
Don't open this link. It goes to downloading some "virus thing". Jan, when you get a chance could you remove it?
Done. --jh
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: Harry DeanDoes anyone know whether or not The Harry Dean Stanton Band has ever released an album? They tour and do a lot of club dates.
I just saw a preview for a show called "Big Love" in which Harry Dean appears. Harry's A true American treasure. Come to think of it, America's produced a lot of treasure. Harry Dean's the one who should write an autobiography. He's about 83 years old and still workin' Man...
"Crystal" might have a few cuts.. Has anyone heard that soundtrack?
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: Dlew
Nice to see you again. Did you have any musical highlights this year?
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: roz-duncRoz-I agree with you. I think they are great. Ragged but alright.
Dunc-"High Winds White Sky" by Bruce Cockburn is one of my favorite albums.
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: As The Great Jimmy Spliff says,"Eye Can C Kleer Lee Now, Your Brain Has Gone......Northern Boy, Eye can see what you mean about the lack of improvement Hi- Def brings to your comprehension level. That is abundantly, as usual, clear, clear , clear. Things are also still somewhat muddled when you post. Jeez U'd think that Hi Def could help U a little in that respect. Costs enough compared to dial and wait. Seems you're getting humped on both ends and paying extra to boot.
This brain donor deal hasn't started paying dividends for you yet, has it? I'm assuming promises of improvement were made to convince you to go along with the operation. I'm also hoping the recipient fared better than you have. Poor bastard.
Dunc, good for you, what did you get? 60's, 70's 80's, 90's or 2000's Lots of great stuff to choose from each decade.
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My linkJust call me The Hazel Eyed Bastard.
Then See The Link.
The Dead Will Rise Again.
They need A Gawd Damn Singer though. Weir, Haynes, Lesh, none of em can sing (no more?). Weir was a good singer once upon a time.
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Posted by:Friend0
See the Link. Apparently Manzarek and Krieger have a singer named Brett Scallions lined up and will out on tour as Riders On The Storm.
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My linkSubject: When You're Strange
1960s News
See The Link
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Posted by:Friend0
Joe J, you are correct, it must be an awful fucking coincidence.Popovic,though we don't agree. I feel better about that, you probably do as well. I'll raise ya on Popovic, I wouldn't call her blues, though that is how she has been marketed till recently.
She's a combination plate of blues schlock, and some kinda new age guitar music. Blues, no.
She has toured relentlessly for quite a long time now. And she is short , cute, Eastern European, so there is some novelty and gonadism helping her career. She does bring out the saw dust and vomit crowds with her guitar histrionics. combine all that, she always gets some kind of a deal, and seems to be getting some decent label support since she signed with Eclecta Groove. It's a subsidiary of Delta Groove, which is a real blues label. Randy Chortkoff,a harp player, was very successful in the venture capital world, took his money & opened a label. Randy is a label owner with enough respect for blues music not to market her or anyone that isn’t straight blues as blues. So, seeing another market, he opened a another label for acts that have some blues in em somewhere. Keeps Delta Groove straight blues. Gotta respect that.
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Posted by:Dunc
Subject: Jan, Peter, Bill M, Steve
Jan I must have read that before. I feel Dylan did not give them credit. It's a good article. I was in the 'Library' today reading Peter's 'Rocking Chair', which is becoming a firm favourite. I appreciate the effort involved in the website. If you've got time, I hope we can meet up in March. You'll enjoy Glasgow.
Peter:I enjoyed reading the article on 'Rocking Chair' today. Thanks for the effort.
Bill M,Steve:The Canadian influence continues. Bought my first Bruce Cockburn album today.
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Posted by:joe j
Subject: JQNow that you mention it Earth Wind & Fire didn't do much for me either. Don't know why.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: bey0nd h0pe, bcWeb: My link
Subject: Steve: Please Don't Hate Me For My New-Fangled Hi-Tech
Yes, it's true I finally ditched dial-up Steve, but before you start envying me to death let me just re-assure you it's not all it's cracked up to be. No sir, not by a long shot. When I first switched from dial-up over to Hi-Def, I expected everything on my screen to be super sharp and crisp. I'm sure you've heard all the glowing talk about the amazing clarity. But I swear to you Steve, it's all just a bunch of hype.
For instance, I've been reading your posts with my new Hi-Def set-up, and I can assure you there's still the same utter lack of clarity in them as there was before when I used to read them with the so-called inferior dial-up technology. So as I was saying, no need to envy me for all this new-fangled technology Steve.
Oh, and you're not missing anything either with all these YOUTUBE links everybody's posting with their new-fangled HI-Def. For instance, my link with this post is just some bar band called BARK playing some tune, "Acadian Driftwood", by some other bar Band, while at last year's Ottawa Blues Fest. Nothing you'd want to view, so trust me, you're not missing anything with these links either Steve.
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Posted by:jh
Web: My linkSubject: Re: The Band Remembered
Dunc, Check link above for more about the Dylan/Band gig in Chicago in Jan '74.
Hey, I'll be in Glasgow for a few days in March. The last time I was there was in Sep '81, the night Norway sensationally beat the Brits 2-1 in the football
World Cup qualification. Showing the Norwegian passport then got us free drinks everywhere :-)
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Posted by:Dunc
Location: ScotlandSubject: The Band Remembered
Thirty-five years ago (Yes thirty five years) to this day the Band played the second night in Chicago of the 74 tour.
Ralph Gleason a month later wrote 'The Band has never played better in person or on record...within the total sound of the band, a pulsating, cracking, shaking sound, there was an infinity of variety and internal musical activity.'
'Greil Marcus 'they were once again the best rock n' roll band in the world'
Thanks to Barney Hoskyns.
Other posters in the past have mentioned how good the Band are on 'Before the Flood' It's great.
I like the older Richard, the driven drummer, the great guitarist, the considerate bass and the greatest rock keyboard player of all time.
I love the version of the Weight. They also make Dylan great.
A great album. I also like the qoute 'an infinity of variety and internal musical activity'. That's the strength of the Band.
There is nothing like rock n' roll when it's like this.
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Posted by:Steve
That's it Northern Fucking Boy, rub it in why don't you, you, you tube,cable, capable, high speed, just beyond hope, brain donor. Watch Tinderbox on Youtube, Ha Ha Ha! I'd ask you to remember when you were just another dial up, high-speed wannabee, but that would take some,"not too long ago memory", which I'm guessing, by your suggestion, YOU NO LONGER HAVE ACCESS TO. Bastard Boy!
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: Chi-LitesJoe J -
I like them a lot too, remember O Girl? And that soulful harmonica.
Other groups like them also: The Spinners & Stylistics (not Earth, Wind & Fire though) are different to 60's soul in how they sound. I'm sure what that is technically but it's a distinct style for sure. Is it called 70's soul?
Why do you think I didn't include E,W&F in that crowd? 'Cause now that I've said it, I don't know why I did. Except I didn't like them at all. Did you?
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Web: My linkSubject: Tinderbox
Yes, he's a hoot Steve. Check out his Ottersum Encore at you tube for his great story about traditional versus comtemporary Scottish folk music, told by Fred in the full Scottish guttural accent.
Genre-wise, this album stands apart from the rest of his work and for me at least is so much better, though his gospel bluegrass "Balin" is very good.
"Tinderbox" is the kind of album that could make your whole year music-wise. (Are you listening Peter V. ?) It was Bill M (for Music)'s pick of the '08 litter and it got me to finally shut up about Jim Byrnes and his "House of Refuge" album, didn't it ? For that alone Eaglesmith should receive an award from the GB. Or on the other hand, I guess you might just end up saying "what is this crap ?". Music's like that, isn't it ? Anyway, the Tinderbox samples at his website are the way to check this album out, NOT THRU YOUTUBE, with the possible exception of MY LINK which starts to approach what he captured on the album. This is only my expert opinion of course so you are all free to ignore it, (albeit, at your own peril). I've said it before; this album's both Dirtier and Farmier than Dirt Farmer, if such a thing is even possible.
PS. Dlew: I want you to know that I truly miss you when you're not around ! (However, I should also point out I'm one of those bloggers who's paid to write whatever silly stuff he's told. I hope that doesn't make too much of a difference).
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: A Million Dollar Seller
Hard to believe that the first million selling single made $5,000,000.00 for the singer.I know singles sold for $7.00 a piece back then but that's quite a high percentage isn't it? What is it now, 22 cents a pop for the artist? It's got to be those fuc*ing suits in the middle somewhere sucking up the profits these days. Nobody makes 5 million today for a million selling single, or am I wrong?
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: DlewI've missed you. Hope you won't be to quiet.
As you got to the New Year several hours before us, how is it going? :-D
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Posted by:Steve
Northern Boy, I finally heard some Tinderbox. I've heard Smith Eagle Fred ( that's what teachers always called him)before and have seen video of him on his tour bus.Today I woke up to him being interviewed about Tinderbox on the Montreal CBC weekend early morning show by my buddy Dave Bronstetter, the guy who allowed me to explain the songwriting credit situation of the Band to Montreal early morning listeners. I gave them only the "facts", giving facts the kind of importance that would make you proud.
wait this was about Smith Eagle Fred. He's still the same quirky but interesting dude he was on the bus.
They played three songs from Tinderbox, enough to convince me to pick it up, but it was talking Fred that was the treat.
He ended with his take on the origins of Christianity; Young girl gets pregnant, doesn't want to tell her dad, says god did it.
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Posted by:dlew919
Location: Who cares, really?Subject: Have I been away?
A happy NEW YEAR to all of you - it may get worse, but it will get better.
Thanks to Kirstie for that great list. Fully endorsed.
Will continue to be quiet (waits for cheering, and blank stares of apathy to subside) - but will be checking in, at least.
And remember: King Harvest will surely come. Ifnot 2009, then 2010.
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Posted by:rr
Web: My linkSubject: What Ain't'ta like?
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Posted by:rosalind
I think the Felice Brothers are alright! I dig Greatest Show on Earth and Frankie's Gun and the one about the preacher who held his daughter down while some other guys deflowered her so violently that it sounded like a slaughterhouse!Say, Didn't they do one or more of those famous Midnight Rambles that levon throws up there in his barn? Not bad for a few guys who started off playing music for spare change in the subway while crashing out in a boarded up semi-condemned building in the heart of NYC
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Posted by:joe j
Subject: Ana PopovicAnyone familiar with Ana Popovic?
I've just been in the company of a Frenchman who has a rather unhealthy obsession with her. He played me a couple of tunes but I thought she was just an ordinary blues guitarist. Blues ain't my bag. As Bumbles was wont to say , it can even be a drag.
Kristie, don't pay Jeffy no never mind. I do agree with his assessment of the Felice Brothers but I'm sure that's a coincidence.
I do enjoy Jenny Lewis, Ray Lamontagne, Black Keys, Hold Steady and any number of contemporary artists.
Album of the year: Amy Winehouse 'Back to Black'. So I'm a year late. I've been later.
Actually this is year two of my rediscovery of Dylan. 'Tell Tale Signs', 'Slow Train Coming', 'Oh Mercy', 'Planet Waves' and 'Street Legal' have received mucho spin time around here. The latter four were pretty much ignored first time around.
I found the Chi-Lites 'A Lonely Man' LP in a bargain bin today and that's what I'm spinnin right now. Do you remember 'Have You Seen Her'? It's not on this record but it was one of my high school faves. Do you remember the Stylistics? I've got a soft spot for all that sweet, top 40 soul. I believe it was mostly a product of Philadelphia.
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Posted by:rosalind
Meryl Streep in a nun costume is going to give many former catholic schoolboy blood-curdling nightmares! Not that they don't have'em already...
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Posted by:Brien Sz
Joan - glad you liked the images. My wife and I went to see "Doubt" last night. This is one great film! The acting is all academy award performance type stuff. It's a gripping film through and through - well written, directed and of course.., acted. Just waiting for The Wrestler and Gran Torino to come out in release in my area.
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Posted by:rosalind
Web: My linkSubject: Those Wacky Jews!
Check him out? Check him out of where?
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Posted by:Nothern Boy
Location: The Love ExchangeWeb: My link
Subject: Hey Everybody, It's Time To "Exchange" A Little Lovin' (So Call On Me)
Operators are waiting. All you gotta do, is pick up the telephone and dial 864-5789.
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Posted by:bob w.
If you simply google "blog for pay" (or any combination of the sort) you will see that there are many blog sites offering compensation for posts. Competition, particularly for sports bloggers, is getting fierce as the sites compete for advertisement dollars in the same fashion as newspapers and magazines. There are some fairly lucrative sites out there with ad sponsorships coming from major corporations that recognize the audience involved. It is why they track comments by certain bloggers as well as replies and "hits" of any sort. The numbers are being watched carefully.It is ok not to know everything and to admit it. It really is.
I don't post as anyone's sidekick. The conversation included blogging for pay and I commented appropriately.
Kristie, thank you for sharing your opinions here.
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Posted by:kristie
Web: My linkSubject: Fleet foxes and Wilco"I shall be released "
Not the best quality but still pretty.
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Posted by:bob w.
Peter, why you needed to add that comment is beyond me. I simply stated that there are blogs paying contributors. That is a fact. Sorry to see you revert so quickly.Totally uncalled for.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: Well I learned my lesson!!To all those who responded positively. I thank you. Much appreciated. Give the artists on my list a listen if you have time. If you like em swell. If not...that's cool to. To each their own. I am always happy to receive recommendations too(Bill M usually has some great ones)!
Friend...oh?
I am taking the highroad and am not going to respond the way you would like me to to that gross display of pomposity. My reading comprehension is just fine Thank You. I really only have a problem with your posts. I just have trouble wading through all the negativity and spitefulness to get to what your point actually is. What was it again? That is all I will say on the matter. You need to take up some sort of physical activity where you can get some of this aggression out without taking it out on others.
I will give the few artists you recommended a listen again(I have already heard from 90% of them). But you don't exactly give them a glowing review.
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Posted by:Friend0
Jan, now that's a coincidence. I was a little younger, 13 maybe just tuned 14,, but the first concert I attended was also Frank Zappa and The Mothers. At Brooklyn College. Kingifsh, which was Bob Weir's brand new band at the time, opened. My friends and I sat second row, stage left. It was loud.
For Pete's sake, Kristie, I'd like to echo Joan's sentiments and ask you to stick around. Just promise me you won't correct your spelling and typo errors.
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Posted by:jh
Subject: Stax
A doc on Stax was shown on late Norwegian telly yesterday, with interviews with Booker T., Sam & Dave, the Stax founders, Steve Cropper, Duck Dunn, Ruphus and Carla Thomas+++, followed by a 90 minute crisp, b/w professional Norwegian TV recording of the 1967 Stax/Volt Revue gig at Njaardhallen in Oslo! Amazing stuff with Otis Redding at his peak, the Memphis horns tearing it up, Sam & Dave going bananas and a young, fresh-faced Duck Dunn stealing the show and rocking a mesmerized audience. My only excuse for not being there is that I was 8 years old at the time. 7 years later I was at my first proper rock gig at the same venue, though, watching Frank Zappa with the George Duke/Ruth & Ian Underwood/Jean Luc Ponty Mothers line-up.
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My linkPeter,
I was thinking of you when i saw this last night.
You might fool them about the integrity part. For a little while anyway.
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Posted by:westcoaster
Location: Pacific NorthwestSubject: Same old Same old
Nappy New Year Peter, and every one else. I justed looked in here today before I head back out, to see how folks are doing.
It didn't take but a minute to see why so many of us stay away from here more and more. Kristie has had her encounter now with the local junk yard dog.
You didn't really expect to get a normal conversation did you Kristie. You don't get to have an opinion with the know all, experienced in every music, industry, music sales, management,production and recording. I mean hell soon there'll be no one left and he'll have to argue with hisself.
Good to hear you Lars old friend, keep the home fires burning, and warm up the rocking chair, I'll be there bye and bye.
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Posted by:Peter V
It’s New Year.Every year I recall many people posted their favourite records on New Year.
This year I did, so did Charlie, and others. Kristie did too. I was interested, aware as I am that in great years like 1967 or 1972 people my age now, had said “It was mainly crap this year” (as I had for 2008). I read Kristies 2008 power plays and thought “Must hear some of these.”.
Jeffo assumes people are getting paid to promote stuff. (I’ll ignore the feeble rentagob sidekick’s addition here). I think that’s highly unlikely. I can assure you that Was (Not Was) have not paid me a cent for my two recommendations of their album.
As Lars says, this is allegedly a site devoted to music rather than to an individual’s paranoia, so I too say “Keep those best of 2008 opinions coming.”
Reading back, Jeff0 seems concerned about “dreidls”. I don’t know this word. Is this is another spelling error? I assume you mean “dry doll”. But I think it best you keep these revelations about your inflatable friends to yourself.
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Posted by:daena gallant
Location: floridaSubject: responce to ari s
ari s
you could sign levon's guestbook , and ask him , or someone that works for him that question ? now you'd probably have to wait a little bit to get a responce , maybe a day or two , and sometimes the person that responds does it on the guestbook itself .. hope that helps you ari , well bye bye for now..daena was here today ..
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: beyond Hope, BC.Web: My link
Subject: Joan Osborne : "What Becomes Of The Broken-Hearted ?"
I certainly enjoyed her on this classic tune. And I think with lots of practise, the back-up band here could really make a name for themselves someday too. Some Funky-looking dudes in that band, whoever they are. Check them out, cause musically they ain't too shabby.
I'll have to check out "Largo" somehow. Joan O. sang the intro track for the TV show "Joan" and has a new album out, or at least I believe so.
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: Stax/Volt 1967 European Tour
NY Times about the PBS special.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Largo
Lars, it seems we are on the same wave length. After coming across the Joan Osborne reference here, I went and pulled out my copy of Largo.It is also one of my favorites. It's a bit difficult to locate a copy. Maybe Amazon has more now. There were just a few when I ordered it. It's worth hunting for.
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Posted by:Lars
Location: Upstae NYSubject: Joan Osborne
KRISTIE-
I thought your description of your favorite musicians was refreshing (this IS a forum dedicated to music). Although I wasn't familar with most of your artists, the name "Joan Osborne" certainly rang a bell. She , along with a long list of talented musicians including Garth Hudson and Levon Helm, helped make the 1998 album "Largo." It's one of my favorites. For more information on "Largo," see this web site's "discography" and click on "various artists albums." Under 1998, "Largo" will be on the list and, just in case you're not familar with this album, there's a complete description of it in there.
I think I'll find it (somewhere in my closet)and revisit the magic of "Largo." It's been a long time since I've played it. A great album.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Kristie
As a 60 something "dinosaur" I very much appreciate your comments and content. It is difficult to keep up with all the new music coming out. I find I don't like a lot of it(my Mother emerging from deep inside) but some of it does strike a good "chord". I appreciate your take and try to listen to as much as I can. Keep hanging around here and keeping us "oldsters" informed.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Web: My linkSubject: Ari: Visiting Big Pink
Hi Ari: Have you checked out the website recently posted here by the owners, Don and Sue ? It talks about how to visit and keep a discreet distance, which isn't hard to do. We simply drove slightly past the Big Pink driveway, pulled over, and walked back about 20 yards for a quiet photo, which they invite you to do. The pink's extremely faded but still there. It was a highlight of Woodstock for us; we couldn't locate Rick's grave.
The Big Pink website is just in its embryonic stage Ari, but it does have a Contact Column you could use to reach the owners. Are you OK for finding the place ? Hope this helps and good luck with your studies.NB
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Posted by:Friend0
Ari,It's not a barn.
If you try, try after noon or even later. If you catch him out and about,and at a time that you aren't interfering with something, he'd probably treat you like an old friend. Have a coke, brother
Don't forget, you could be pulling up in the middle of something going on, so you just have to have dumb luck on your side.
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Posted by:Friend0
Subject: Once Upon A TimeKristie,
Referring you back to the fact that before you freaked we were having a discussion that was acknowledged to be based on the difference in our personal tastes, I’ll add two other newer female artists whose work I find superior to that of Jenny Lewis's.
Forgive me for taking this commercial break to point out that your refusal to correct spelling and typing errors could have caused you severe difficulties in the previous moderators GB.
Back to the matter at hand. You did attempt to restrict my responses to newer artist that were not receiving any press. Well, the word press , right there you cut the twine on your own restrictions. Lewis gets plenty of it, and the term is media exposure. The enormous genre you impose, well ,like i said genres, especially one that wide, don't fly, in a discussion like this . Music is either good, or not good. I gave you an example of a new release that I do admire what I have heard of it. I don't enjoy it enough to go and get it,at least not yet it don't hit me that hard.
Joan, by the way, is not a member of Ozzy’s family. She's a Caintuck Osborne
Anyway, getting back to newer female artists who's material that I find superior to Jenny Lewis, well,
1) Once upon a time, in a faraway gb, I discussed Brandi Carlisle's new release. FUV was playing it regularly. Still gives Brandi some play. While I wouldn’t call myself a fan, there was some stuff on there I did enjoy to varying degrees 2) In the past I also mentioned Grace Potter aqnd Meg Johnson. Grace is a organ and guitar playing chick,with a band called The Nocturnals. They live, or used to live, communal style up in New England. They get categorized as blues, and great live reviews. Their first two albums didn't do a whole lot for me, but I heard something on the radio a few days back that I did enjoy. Turned out to be Gracie.
3) Meg Johnson, of Ulster County NY, has some good stuff I’ve heard.
After you’ve taken the reading comprehension course, assuming you pass, please don’t feel embarrassed. I don’t expect an apology, but if you feel like apologizing, one all inclusive apology will do. I wouldn’t want you to have to make a dozen or so for each of the times you were 1000% wrong about what I wrote.
Music is not fluff.
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Posted by:Ari S.
If one drove to Levon's barn and just to thank him and say hello, would that be rude-furthermore would he be welcoming. The reason I am asking these questions is because I was hoping to see Hubert Sumlin with Levon January 10th. I love Howlin Wolf and I am sadly going to miss it because I am going off to Israel for the next few months. Before I go, I want to get one last look of America before my trip and before I know it...college. Anyways thanks to all forthcoming responses.
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Posted by:Friend0
Kristie, I'll just suggest a reading comprehension course to you.There are other posters here who have taken the course, and can certainly testify to it's extreme value. Just ask Steve, it worked for him. His relations with his cow herd even improved afterwards also. We'we not yet figured out how that worked , but it certainly happened.
After you take the course, you might go back and read this thread again. .
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Posted by:Steve
I'd just like to say I never concealed that I was being paid by The Man. Norbert, I hope the last check owing is "in the mail".
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Posted by:Ari S.
Subject: Visiting Big Pink
Hypothetically, if I were to ever visit Big Pink, what would you all recommend I do? I don't want to disturb the owners or anything, but because of my age I figured it might be rather endearing to let them know that there are such steadfast young fans of The Band still around (to my knowledge, I can't think of many my age who truly appreciate the excellence of the music and it's history). Of course this doesn't make me an exception.
Would I be able to climb Overlook. Would I even be allowed on the property of Big Pink?
What do you all think?
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Posted by:rosalind
Subject: Kristie's ComplaintHey Lil' Sister - Don't let ol' Jeffo get ya down.. You know what they say? I can't repeat what "they" say because of "Guestbook restrictions" but, I'm sure you get the drift.
And about your musical taste ... Hey if your taste landed you in Band territory, you must be travellin' the right road
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Posted by:kristie
And I am sure I have a lot of spelling and grammar mistakes in those last posts but I would really check your own posts for mistakes(and yes there are a few) before finding fault in others.
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Posted by:kristie
Blogs like Pitchfork and crawdaddy must make money from advertising to keep running. And they almost certainly pay their staff. Blogs are slowly replacing magazines(and even in some cases record labels because artists are now starting to release music on blogs)because so much of the way we live now is based on technology, and magazines can't really compete with that. The only thing I don't like about this is that I live without electricity for half of the year and once a month I am forced into civilization to pick up the newest copy of Rolling Stone featuring the Jonas brothers or somebody else I don't care about at all on the cover to get my music fix. I actually hike for hours to read about music.I think there are dishonest journalists of all kinds. Not just in the music blog spectrum. I really don't feel it is fair to pigeonhole all music bloggers as dishonest.
I remember reading awhile back that a guy writing reviews for Blender(my least favorite of the music magazines) gave Kayne West a negative review and then it was found that he had never even heard the album! He had read about Kayne's new "musical direction" and decided he didn't like it. That is dishonest.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: rudeI don't spell check and I wouldn't be a big enough Jerk to assume that because somebody makes a mistake with their spelling they are an idiot. I was trying to be civil(after you ripped my music taste apart), something I am now aware that you are not. Do you every find anything positive in peoples posts? Because I have not seen any evidence of this.
And Joan Osbourne is not modern. You should not have been focusing so much on my spelling mistakes, and actually read what I was asking you. I can see, after reading your list that you have different taste than I do. That's alright. It does not make your taste better though.
I saw Kathleen Edwards a few years ago. She has a nice voice but I don't remember a damn word she sang.
People make money writing about music in magazines all the time. How is writing about it in a blog any different? And how do you know that they are all corrupt? Your opinions seem really ancient and dated to me. You heard a few bad thing about music blogs. It really can't make you an authority on the matter. You are insulting my friends who work two full time jobs and then stay up all night listening to and writing about music they enjoy. These are not rich people. And I know all of them would rather be on the street with no money than to be paid to write a positive review about something they did not enjoy listening to.
I feel like I sort of fell into your trap writing this all. The GB was getting too boring for you and you wanted someone to pick on. If it has to be me fine. But please keep your negative opinions about what I have to say to yourself from now on. I am just in the Gb because I love music and I like learning about it, and a lot of people in the GB seem very knowledgeable about it. I can't learn anything form negativity and spitefulness though. Keep it civil man.
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My linkSubject: MommyRock Bloggers wanted
Link is above.
It is to a L.A. based indie Mommy Rock record label ad on Craigslist.Looking for bloggers Several months back, I saw ads for other kinds of labels.
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Posted by:Friend0
Peter, I'm rather surprised that you aren't up on the latest music marketing techniques. It could prove to be an excellent source of income for you. We'll miss you here.Kristie, the genre restriction. well, it just don't fly.
I will name a artist i've had a good respect who does have a new release. She surfaced here in NY in the mid 90s. Joan Osborne, a Kentucky Girl.
Joan's a Brooklynite several years now. Her most recent release is one of the few new albums getting heavy play on FUV that I think is worthwhile. I;m not saying that it's completely my cup of tea. But ,the songs I;ve heard are very good or better , Joan's singing is great,and all the performances are excellent.
You may recall her first monster hit, written by some of The Hooters, performed and produced with those guys, "God" or "What If God Was One Of Us". Also "St Theresa." Joan got that same team back together for this record, and three of the songs get major play so far. Hallelujah in The cITY", "Sweter Than The Rest", an excellent #, and "Cathedrals". Its a goddamn fine project.
Back in 2006, she did a real good version of the Garcia Hunter song, "Who Divided". Crossing it between pop, country, and blue eyed soul. Never would think it was a Garcia / Hunter composition.
I would like to thank you for your earlier spellng of "payed." Those of you with a little imagnation know why it made this entire exchange rather worthwhile.
Westocaster, don't fret, i ain't forgot you.
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Posted by:bob w.
I know of several sports related blogs offering compensation to their bloggers. It would come as no surprise to learn blogs covering other topics are doing the same.
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Posted by:Joan
Subject: Brien Sz
Thank you for the photos of Rick. I like your photoshop 'Warhol" It would make great note cards for Dankettes.
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Posted by:Brien Sz
Web: My linkSubject: Rick pics
Happy New Year All! I hope everyone had a good one.
The link is to a page I created of some Rick in Concert Images I found while rearranging and cleaning out my office this week. It had been a long time since I've seen these images. The one I had posted on my site earlier was one that happened to be in an old folder off an old hard drive.
The images are from shows at the Towne Crier and the Tin Angel in 1999. There are also a few images, at the bottom of the page, of Garth from a show my wife and I attended when he performed with The Crowmatix at the Towne Crier.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: For What It's worthParanoia runs deep
Into your life it will creep …
Paid bloggers? That's the weirdest connection I've heard!
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Vinyl Siding
2008 TOP TEN VINYL ALBUMS (Nielsen SoundScan)
(12/31/2007-12/28/2008)
Title/Artist...Units Sold
1 In Rainbows/ Radiohead...25,800
2 Abbey Road/ Beatles...16,500
3 Chinese Democracy/ Guns 'N Roses...13,600
4 Funplex/ B-52s...12,800
5 Third/ Portishead...12,300
6 In The Aeroplane Over The Sea/ Neutral Milk Hotel...10,200
7 Dark Side Of The Moon/ Pink Floyd...10,200
8 Fleet Foxes/ Fleet Foxes...9,600
9 Death Magnetic/ Metallica...9,400
10 O.K. Computer/ Radiohead...9,300
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Posted by:Friend0
Kristie, On my way back out, but real quick.You didn't read closely enough, and I possibly could have been a little more clear. Record companies hire people to post on blogs, not necessarily their own blog, but i dont see why it couldnlt include creating their own blogs too. This is what the people do. they are paid to do it, by the post, or by the hour. It is dishonest. first off, they are getting paid to make posts thaat the readers do not know they are getting paid for. secondly, who knows if they believe what they are posting, or even like the music they are posting positively about. They are working for a record company.
Posting about music you like, without getting paid, no problem. what you wrote, that i inquired about, sounded like you may be a paid blogger.
I wouldn't call myself a Kathleen edwards fan, but i find her work substantially superior to that of lewis. and i heard some stuff by Rose Cousins on mountain stage that I think I was about to enjoy alot, i was enjoying it a little, when i had to get out of the car about a third of a way through a song. I liked what she had to say with the before song pitter patter too.
Don't ask me about Dar williams. Shawn Colvin had one song I liked a lot.
I liked some of Iris dement's work and I enjoy her singing.
Lcuy Kaplansky has nice curly hair. or maybe that was someoen else i'm thinking of.
Patty Larkin did some cool stuff. damn good musician too. And i wouldn't criticize a redhead too much either.
But the baddest female geetar player is Rory Block.
Susan tedeschi, had one hot record, Maybe it was titled Just Won't Burn. was a long time ago.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: vinyl
There is certainly a return to vinyl in the works. Most of these bands that I am seeing live are releasing their albums on vinyl.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: heh?No I don't get payed to write about music. I do some assistant web design and Photography sometimes. But if I did write about music I certainly wouldn't let money sway my opinion at all.
I have heard some of the people you mentioned and will give them another listen. But I am curious. If you think Jenny Lewis is a horrible modern songwriter...can you name a female songwriter who in your opinion is better, in the same alt country/soul/indie rock category. And it has to be someone who isn't receiving any press, but who you think is worthier.
I don't find anything negative about people writing about music on their blogs. Most of the people I know who do it write solely for the love of the music and make little if any money. The only people I can think of who would make money writing about music are people writing for Rolling stone or one of the bigger publications. Although, you often do get free cds sent to you for the purpose of reviewing.
looking forward to your list
JQ-Oregon seems to be moving on up in terms of Indie music. I like what I have heard from Michael Hurley. Good ramblin' music.
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Posted by:Friend0
Kristie, I'm only home for a quick dog walk and it may be late tonight or tomorrow till i give you some suggestions. But, I pretty much think I won't be reccomending any newer acts. Just older msuicains who nonbody told to lay down and die yet. Or if they have been told that, they refused to obey.And aside from maybe having a unique sound on their instruments, tone, or delivery, I doubt there will be anything unqiue bout them .
Right now I;ll just recomend Steve Freund and Dave Specter, Is what Ity Is, on Delmark records. Steve is form Brooklyn, left years ago at the age of 17, spent many years in Chicago, moved to No Cal some years back. Dave Specte ris from Chicago. All you'll get on this record is some incredible blues guitar and fine bass ,dums, Piano & harp,, some great covers of great songs, some decent singing, a mostly live in the studio session. Spontaneous real music. recorded quick and clean.
I like some of Death Cab's music, I'v e heard some powerful stuff. Never really got to hear the words though, and certainly havenlt been moved enough to buy it.
I'd reccomend Geoff Muldaur's Password, though it isn't new, but it ain't ancient.
If Michael Hurly is the Michael Hurley from The Unholy or Holy Modal Rounders, he gets the Friend0 seal of approval.
I'd expect Jorma's new release to be good, when it arrives. Larry Campbell produced it, and it features the usual suspects.
And I enjoy Catherine Russell's 2 new recordings, though it is 95% old covers.
So you are a record company blogger? For those of you who donlt know,amazingly enough, that is how record companies do a lot of promo today. they pay people to blog about their releases.
Not to be criticial of you of that is what you are doing, but speaking in general terms, to me, it is a dishonest way of advertising. The people reading the blogs do not generally know that they are reading paid for comments. there is no sentence that identifies the blog as made by a paid person. If anyone wants to verify what I am saying, just spend a little time on craigslist , looking under part time or etc jobs. In major cities, maybe even in unmajor cities. Look enough, and frequently enough, you'll find the ads. There's plenty of em. I became aware of this phenomena from friends who also own small labels. To me, it's fraud.
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Posted by:JQ
Subject: DCFC & Michael HurleyKristie -
I thought that Death Cab For Cuties' take on Rockin' Chair was the best track on the Endless Highway tribute. Otherwise, except that they sell-out bigger venues, I don't know anything else about them.
Michael Hurley lives up here - Astoria, Oregon - and plays in town frequently. Also on our public station here, KMUN. He's the real deal alright.
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Posted by:Peter V
Radio play would be a mechanical? Not negotiated but automatic? Some people can negotiate a royalty on session work (or as producer) others don’t. I hope Messrs Helm & Hudson will be on a royalty on an album bearing their names first.Exceptional secondhand vinyl buying day today … really one in a long time Oh, Boy by The Crickets on Coral (!), No Particular Place To Go by Chuck Berry, Louie Louie by Toots & The Maytals, My Girl by Otis Redding, and All-American Boy by Bill Parsons at 50p each. And they all play well too, so it’s been a Back to Mono afternoon. Sadly, I Had Too Much to Dream Last Night by The Electric Prunes was in the 50p box too … original 1966 Reprise, worth £30 Mint … but in spite of careful and thorough cleaning, is completely fu**ed. Not feud fued. But fu**ed. As David and Bill will know, it’s so hard to tell with old 45s. No Particular Place To Go was very grubby, but a good clean and it’s scratch and distortion free and the guitar's like ringing a bell. Chuck’s second best single too. (Nothing beats Nadine for me).
What were The Electric Prunes doing on Reprise of all labels?
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: Neil
Friendo, what do you think of Neil Youngs opening acts on his current tour? Do you like Death Cab for cutie? I never have but Neil wanting them to open for him made me wonder if their is something more to their music than what I originally dismissed as "emo."
And have you heard of Michael Hurley? I think he may be from New york and is described as "country/bluegrass/psychedelic."
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: freindoMy great grandmother on my fathers side said good music died in the 40's. She didn't like any of that "rock noise."
If you can name good modern music I would like to hear it. But I don't really think it has anything to do with airplay or advertising for the reason it appeals to me. I listen to the radio about once a year(it usually involves me turning it on, shaking my head, swearing under my breath, and then turning it off quicker than I turned it on), and I pretty much live solely in an indie blog spectrum(I work for a few locally), aside from this GB and the occasional Uncut, biography.
I am not saying they are good because they aren't as bad as the top forty music(although it did look like that is what I meant). I just meant to say I fell there is good music being made today. In my opinion, Bob's, Elvis Costello's, The music snobs at my local record shop....
So I would be happy to listen to some gimmick free, unique modern music with good songwriting and songs that aren't "yucky," if you have some suggestions for me. My ears are open....
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Posted by:Steve
Subject: You Bring Out The Best In Friend0Kristie, I think you've got it. There's something your oldsters could learn from you here.
Friend0's response to your original post today would have caused swords to be unsheathed in some quarters and the slashing and stabbing would have led to blood on the screen.
Engaging Friend0 in the debate about the "music" brings out the best in him.Thanks, I learn much more that way.
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Posted by:David P.
Peter: I would imagine that one of the main issues the court will have to decide is what, if any, axillary agreements apply to the Capitol recording of "The Weight".
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Posted by:David P.
Session musicians in the U.K., unlike their counterparts in the U.S., do receive royalty payments, in addition to their initial sessions fees, based on radio play of songs on which they appeared. The amounts are relatively small, as compared to those collected by publishers & songwriters, but for many musicians who did quite a bit of session work, it can be a nice sum.Just last week, there was an article on Bloomberg news that cited Partick Halling, a classically trained violinist, who played on the Beatles "Eleanor Rigby", as well as hundreds of other songs from such artists as Tom Jones, Enya and the Moody Blues. With the European Union's 50-year limit on copyrights, Mr. Halling faces losing several thousand pounds a year in royalties when various copyrights expire in the next decade or so.
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Posted by:Peter V
There must have been something similar in the Madeleine Bell case. The session people had been paid to do the session, and had no royalty arrangement. So theoretically they should have had no further interest in the fate of the track. A guess would be that the contract was specifically for a recording and that in those innocent days no "or in any other media hereinafter invented" clause nor "in any form" was inserted, so the advert breached the original deal?
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Web: My linkSubject: Gospel Bluegrass
Great harmonies, silences, stops and restarts. A great song too (Bill Monroe).
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Posted by:David P.
Subject: Cingular Ad
The issue asserted in Levon's lawsuit against the ad agency that produced the Cingular ad featuring "The Weight" is not that he wasn't compensated, but rather whether or not certain contractual agreements were violated by using Levon's voice, as a principal performer, without separately bargaining with him for permission beforehand. There are certain agreements governing commercial advertisements that involve the use of performers who are members of American Federation for Radio and Television (AFTRA) and the Screen Actors Guild (SAG). Levon is a member of both of those organizations. The lawsuit, filed in December 2004, is still pending.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Musical abilityOne of the differences between now and the late 60s came out in an interview with session singer Madeleine Bell. She mentions recording Everlasting Love “by Love Affair”. The singer, Steve Ellis, was the only person from the band in the studio, and even so Madeleine Bell was hitting all the difficult notes for him. The crap (British) groups of yesteryear often really had Jimmy Page on guitar, Clem Cattini on drums, John Paul Jones on bass, Nicky Hopkins on piano. That’s why they sounded good. Now the current bands feel they have to do it all themselves.
Of interest to Levon and the Cingular ad, she mentions the record being used in a MacDonalds advert. One of the other session singers was very interested in the legality. They were still in touch with the producer who had a file on the session, and the session people got a payout on the ad of £400 each. Not a lot really, but forty years on, still a bonus. As the article says though, they were paid six guineas (£6.30) for the session originally, and they got their £6.30 on three or even four sessions a day, mostly on stuff that disappeared for good and lost money. Some of it hit, but that’s the choice you make … share if it hits or fee up front anyway. They were never in for a royalty share, but still got paid on the ad. So someone who was a band / Band member should have a far stronger claim. On the other hand, the modesty of the pay out (£400 each) is such that I’d guess it was cheaper for MacDonalds to pay out than consult legal counsel at length.
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Posted by:Friend0
Yes Ari. Thank You for clarifying with that link. I should have thought to respond on my own.Kristie, see the thing is, there are som nay talented msucians that do make great music, that when there is so little money availables to promote artists, and you see it spent on the likes of Felice Brothers, Fleet Foxes,, Jenny Lewises, i could go on and on if I remembered the names of all the artist I can't listen to that are getting promoted, it;s cdriminal.
Okay, here;s a guy, Ray La montaigne. Great voice lately. Has a new record out, get s lots of play. It is the best thing he's done yet, and still the songs essentially suck. A ton of money wnet into this record, you can hear it. It's in the musicianship and the production. Sounds good. But the songs suck. Now here is a guy who's been getting a push for a while. where has it gone? Nowhere. The songs suck. I heard a live performance, Great performance, but the songs still suck.And money keeps getting thrown at this guy.At least have the sense to get him some good songs. SOmehting.
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Posted by:Friend0
Hi Kristie,LEt me preface my remarks with a all inclusive statement that what I write below is only my opinion.And I do appracite your considered comments.
and, In my opinion, the standard of not as bad as, is not a great way to choose whether or nto to like something. I doubt that is what you do, but you did reccomend that. And in reality it is kind of one way that people do get to choose what they listen to today. If people leave on the radio , and they get repeat exposure rto a bunch of lousy stuff, just by repeated exposure and comparison, they will possibly end up singing and humming the less awful songs.
I've heard plenty of live Felice Brothers. They get all kinds of exposure here in NY. Interviews, live radio performances for radio station members, and live radio in station performances , and also performed live at FUV s Christmas show, which has been broadcast.
The Felice Brothers have shown hints of some innate ability. But they don't play well yet. And don't seem to strive for anything more than primitive or rudimentary palying and writing.
part of what is offensive is that hint of possibly one day having some ability and real talent, and a little, very little bit of a gimmick ( that of being down and out, just carign to get by, living in cars, looking scruffy, and growing up half an hour away form woodstock) gets them a record deal, a lot of airplay, major interviews, and gets them told regularly how wonderful they are. That's just pasrt. But what is most offensive is that all these mostly untalented and certainly unremarkable artists get this kind of exposure on the kind of radio stations that used to eb the stations that played great music.
I tihnk it is obscene to mention The Felice Brothers and The Band in the same article or interview. Yet it is happening all the time. For the felice Borthers to claim The Band as a influence is an insult to the musicianship of The Band. You want to claim The Band as a influence, you should at least be a spectaular musician. and that goes for everyone, not just The Felice Brothers. Lousy music used to be a hell of a lot better than what we are now told we should think is great music. That is the big problem. The top 40 wasn't always completely awful. But today, non - commercial radio is playing less than mediocre new bands. And glorifying them. It sucks.
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Posted by:Ari
Thanks Diane. Friend0, did you see the link? I attached To Kingdom Come.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: jenny lewis
I meant to write that she has had offers to write commercial songs for the likes of Ashley Simpson, etc, but has turned them down.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: Jack Johnson
I have never liked him. This is what I mean when I say that top forty music(this guy could piss in a cup and it would sell a million records) is awful now, and this is why I listen to classic albums or scour the indie racks at my record store to find things that frat boys don't listen to. When Jack Johnson first came out I thought "he could be worse," but then everywhere I went..restaurants, parties, everywhere...they were playing his album. I couldn't escape it! I think his albums people put on because it is so generic that most people will like it or at least ignore it completely and not complain.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: oh andYes I agree that The felice brothers will be a lot better in a couple more albums but I still found them pretty unique in terms of popular music.
"Rabbit fur coat"by Jenny Lewis is a far superior record than "Acid tongue" have you heard it? I mean if it is good enough for Bob to play two songs of on his radio show..it is good enough for me.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: friendoThank you for reading and replying. I don't expect people to agree with me always(or ever really). Most of these band are people I have seen live and I have to say it does not always translate well onto an album, but with the top forty being littered with Bands like Nickleback(pretty much the worse music I have ever heard), the jonas brothers, thrice, taylor swift(it is just all shit), bands like The Felice Brothers, Fleet foxes, Jenny lewis are a welcome hug in a room full of kicks.
Yes I do think there may be something of a generation gap involved. Obviously I am not comparing The Band and Dylan, the Byrds and Burritos to these new bands because they are not ever going to be as good. But you have to put the new bands in the proper context. All of my favorite albums came out before 1970 so I could be quite content listening to music in that decade only(I discover new stuff from the 60's all the time that I enjoy)but I have to support people who are out there trying to make a living making music. Especially the artists who are sacrificing commercialism for the sake of their art(Jenny lewis has had offers to work for well selling artists like Ashley Simpson but had turned them all down to make music she wants to make.
I do feel like sometimes new bands are just recycling ideas heard on their parents record collections, but how much farther can music really evolve? Maybe it has all been done before.
Freindo listen to a Hannah Montana song or a Jessica Simpson or something like that and then listen to Jenny Lewis again and tell me she isn't more talented than almost everyone who is in the top forty.
You might find something you like on the list.
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Posted by:Friend0
Oh Yeah, Newman is great too.
Jenyy Lewis, The title track is one of the songs that gets a lot of play. I heard it again yesterday and listened closely to see if maybe i was just missing something. And I jsut couldn't find anything in that song to like.
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Posted by:Friend0
Kristie, I respect your right to your opinion, and not that it matters, I think it's great that you do buy recordings and go out to hear live music.I'm only familair with three of the newer artists on your list. And our opinions of their music are pretty far apart. i really think The Felice Brothers are pretty awful. which is not to say they don't have potential. But i think they need about 5 years of practice and 10 years of working on ther songwriting.
To me, the Fleet Foxes have nice voices, but not memorable voices. And I think they are good musicians. They don't bother me, but I haven't found anything to like in their music either.
Jenny Lewis, Wfuv plays her alot. Plays all of these artists alot. Ican't find anything to likein Lewis' work either. Her voice isok, but the songwriting is yucky. There's just nothing there.
I think there is a generational thing happening. It does seem that young people aren't expecting great musicianship and great songwriting. Maybe cause they haven't grown up with it.
This Jack Johnson character seems to be pretty popular. Gets a lot of airplay, and I think he really sucks. Oepened alabel, Brushfire records, and has a bunch of artists. That all suck. and they put out a brushfire Christmans collection, That sucked. And they all tour together, do a Brushfire records tour. I heard it On Mountainstge. It sucked. At least that is my opinion of it.
I agree with you that Neil Young and Dylan are the top of the heap.
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Posted by:Diane
Subject: Ari
Ari, I believe it's Paul's voice with George playing.
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Posted by:NB
Subject: Eddie of NYC
Hi Eddie. Would you be Ed of NYC (of torn acl and Bethpage fame) ? If so, welcome back. If not then simply welcome, as I don't recall an "Eddie".
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Posted by:roz
Thanks Moe ..
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My link
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Posted by:Peter V
Thanks for the NY Times link, Joan. It's a circular problem. Stores reduce CD space and therefore range. They then become less attractive and internet sellers become more attractive. They then lose sales and reduce space more. I think there's an opportunity for very good small independents to thrive in fact.
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Posted by:Eddie
Location: NYCSubject: Happy new year
Thank you Jan and all the fellas for all you do, all the best in 2009!
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Posted by:Jonathan Katz
Web: My link
A link for you Last Waltz fans.
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My linkLink Above
A World With No Blues.
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Posted by:Joan
Web: My linkSubject: Music Business
It seems like a lot of people are down about music. From the NY Times.
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Posted by:Friend0
Web: My linkGot a good link in the mail. To page 3 of Al Perkin;s websitwe. Who knew he had a website?
Scroll down to Ever Call Ready, bluegrass/gospel with Leadon, Hillman, Scheff, etc. And alsa a link to a youtube video of the 71 Burritos doing Six Days On The Raod with Byron Berline, who toured with them frequently, integrating his Country Gazette Band in to the Burritos show..
Lots of good info on Perkins site.
Apparently, the God Damn impossible way of life has not stopped this religious senior citizen from playing all over the Gawd Damn place still. He'll be in UK, Scotland, etc etc, not mention all over Gawd Damn Ever Lovin Tennesee.
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: from my facebook page
For all the people who have been harassing me to write a music Blog(ok, all two of you.. right now it is just too much work for a pseudo hobo with a short attention span),here is my highly subjective list of the "best" of 2008. Actually I don't even want to say "best"(after all how does one even go about listening to EVERYTHING that came out in 2008..and then determine what is best?..how can anyone even know that?), so it is not really that subjective....Here are the albums that came out in 2008 that I really enjoyed listening to, and had trouble deleting from my ipod to make room for more...I am already losing interest...p.s. I won't go into that much detail...just go out and buy them!
Oh, and I am taking a cue from Ryan and mostly including new music. No lp re-issues(that could be a whole other list), and only one R/S on cd with the Bon Iver release. Bob and Neil made it based on the fact that they are so amazing they can be on any damn list they want.
20. The Black Keys-Attack and release
Originally written with the intention of being recorded by Ike Turner(before his death in 2007), this unusually commercial album(produced by Danger mouse) by the Ohio duo is a lesson in the modern blues.
19. Okkervil river-The stand ins
If Chris Issak was cool and didn't make mid-life crisis music..He might sound like this.
18. Giant Sand-Pristine
Sometimes those hipsters at Zulu are dead on with their picks. This is like a soundtrack to sleeping out in the desert with a bottle of Jack Daniel's.
17. Bon Iver-For Emma, long ago
This is what people "in the know" (so I've heard) would call a "woodshedding" album. At times you can hear the cabin fever.
16. The Duchess and The Duke-She's the Duchess, He's the duke
If the White Stripes stopped trying so hard they might sound as cool as this.
15.Tindersticks-The hungry saw
Wait.... the Neville brothers make indie music now?
Tie
15. The War on Drugs-Wagonwheel Blues
Rolling stone said they sound like Bob Dylan fronting Sonic Youth. I just say they sound good. Enjoy.
Tie
14.The Buttless chaps-Cartography
Man vs. Machine!
13. Randy Newman-Harps and Angels
The king of musical sarcasm is back(even Dylan could learn a thing or two from him)and he has made another great album.
12. The Walkmen-You and me
Canadian girl is my favorite walking song right now.
11.Beach House-Devotion
Beautiful chamber pop.
tie
11.Blitzen Trapper-Furr
A great live band, and although I feel they doesn't translate as well onto an album, still worth a listen or two(or in my case ten).
10. Jenny Lewis-Acid Tongue
Everything Jenny touches turns to gold. Easily one of the best contemporary singer /songwriters out there(wherever "there" is...uh, Laurel canyon?)
9. Neil Young-Sugar Mountain, live from Canterbury house 1968
I am not writing anything here.
8. Sigur Ros'-Med sud I eyrum vid spilum endalawt
I just lost the rest of my attention span writing that title. Just listen.
7.Mgmt-Oracular Spectacular
If hobbits(or Peter Pan) made catchy psychedelic pop songs they would sound like this. How is it these guys made the album as a joke and it is better than 99% of the crap on the radio?
6.Bob Dylan-Bootleg series Vol. 8, Tell tale signs
So this is what Bob would sound like at a sound check...(ok, if Bob actually went to sound checks...I am pretty sure Bob doesn't do anything he doesn't want to do). Even his Demos and throwaway's are great.
5. Fleet Foxes-Fleet Foxes
Some bands are worth the hype. These beards sing about mountains...and they sound good doing it. It's all about the harmonies.
4.The Cave singers-Invitation songs
Welcome back Seattle.
3. Deerhunter-Microcastle
This album is commercial for Deerhunter. I love this band. And get Cryptograms too!
2.The Felice brothers-The Felice brothers
Three brothers and a traveling dice player named Christmas who hail from Woodstock, NY, and sound like they stepped out of a time-machine from 1968 and decided to make a contemporary record filled with Band style accordion, rhythm piano and a lot of scratch, whiskey soaked vocals. Depression era America seems to be one of their favorite things to sing about. Who doesn't like hearing about the Depression?
1. Black Mountain-In the Future
This band is from Vancouver. Take that Montreal!
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Undressing
We (I and Mrs V rather than I and I or "one") also spent New Year's Day undecorating. Everyone turns up to decorate the tree, Christmas music blares out, great atmosphere … but by New Year's day it's just the two of us (we) taking it all down and packing it up. It definitely makes New year's Day depressing, but I reckon waiting until Twelfth Night (Jan 6th) is a lot more depressing. i always want to clear the decks and start again by Jan 1st.
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Posted by:Steve
Deb, you southern gals! Can you give some hint as to what would tickle your fancy, I'll do my best to provide it. I promise, ma'am.Sports moment; Everyone knows the long trek made by blacks in the NFL to be considered "smart" enough to play quarterback or worthy enough to command white players on the field as middle linebacker. My question is , now that the front door to The White House has been breached,is it time for the next step; a black field goal kicker in the NFL
I may have missed someone over the years but I honestly can't think of anyone, offhand.
Jean, once again, well said!
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Posted by:kristie
Subject: Peter
I also listened to Leonard Cohen this year more than anyone else. However, I find it troubling that you wrote this was a bad year in music. In my opinion(and in many music critics opinion) this was one of the best, most creative years for independent music. Seek and you shall find. I will post a list later of my favorite indie albums of the year and I guarantee you could find a few you like. Joan I agree that ringing in the New Year with Crotch grabbers and Those Jonas kids is not my idea of a good time. I do think this has been one of the worst years in a long time for the top forty music....
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Posted by:Ari S.
Web: My linkSubject: Friend0 and everyone
I asked someone from this website. You guys all know him. He gave me that link, and needless to say, I was very happy.
It's The Beatles doing To Kingdom Come, used to be on this site.
Does anybody know whose singing and playing guitar. It sounds like George and/or Paul.
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Posted by:Jean
TV Land ran an I Love Lucy marathon from 9:00am to 9:00 pm yesterday so I was a happy camper. My husband is equally happy that the SciFi channel is running something like 48 hours straight of the Twilight Zone. And later this afternoon some station is running Holiday Inn (one of my top two or three holiday movies).I think what helps make New Year's Day so depressing is that I spend most of the day undecorating from Christmas - just me, myself and I. Everyone else seems to find something else that just HAS to be done. At least the dog is keeping me company...
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: New Year's
My least favorite holiday as well, and for tv entertainment I prefer to watch HBO's comedy station. Last night they had Dana Carvey, Ricky Gervais and George Carlin reruns but they were funny. Other than that New Year's eve is an introspective holiday for me, consisting of looking at photos from the past year, reflecting on it, and purging it from my thoughts. New Year's Day is about 'spring cleaning' and de-Christmasing the house, and planning for the new year in a renewal sort of way.
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Posted by:DEE
Location: WisconsinSubject: THANKS AGAIN BEG
Very pleasant way to start the New Year.
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Posted by:Jean
Subject: Happy 2009 EveryoneJoan & Deb, well said.
New Years Day used to be my least favorite day of the year coming as it did on the heels of a usually disappointing New Year's Eve (too much hype - how could anything live up to it?). But now the NHL has introduced the Winter Classic and it is a hoot. Much better than the nonsense that was on last night.
I remember as a 11 or 12 year old kid trying to explain the meaning of Beatle lyrics to some old guy neighbor up the street from our house. Now I'm the same age as the old guy neighbor. We gave our daughter Rock Band for Christmas and it comes with Bon Jovi music so it is back to the '80s around here for the next little while.
Peter, I think you were just being inclusive. Something this world could use much more of.
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Posted by:Joan
Location: Another timeSubject: Raging against the night
Last night I was watching one of the "New Years" programs from Times Square. It was freezing (they were I just watched from my chair and shivered in sympathy), and they were boring. Some rap group came on (I don't even know the name of this group of "crotch grabbers") and I realized I had become my Mother. In my opinion, it is not music! Hopefully 2009 will bring us a good body of music.
I have been listening to Fleet Foxes and I'm really enjoying them. There IS some good, new music around.
Happy New Years to all.
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Posted by:Deb
Just checked in for a bit to see if things had changed. Won't bother again. Jeff, you might as well be a moderator with a posting list of one. It's perfectly obvious that Peter is just expressing his own opinion. You seem to be the only one here who wants to control what is said. Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone here. If the discussion ever frees up, I'd appreciate it if someone with my email would drop me a line.
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Posted by:Peter V
Leonard Cohen on stage jokes about the "depressing" image he once had in the late 60s / early 70s. And he did have that image then, justified or not. Half the magazine reviews I've read this year mention it. Nothing new. A light-hearted remark. End of discussion for me, Jeff, but go on picking at it if you want.
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: aging gracefully
Paul Simon is an excellent example. I would add Ringo to that list as well. At almost 70, he maintains the 'cool' rock persona and grooming but comes across as mostly jovial and still enjoying himself. Donald Fagan and Walter Becker of Steely Dan succeed as well. I think the key is too not to try to hide one's age, but to rather to use it to your advantage. I was never a Tony Bennett fan, and he is in fast decline, but when he takes the stage to sing a Christmas carol or old standard you think 'wow, he was a contemporary of Sinatra, etc' and he brings that gravitas to his performances now.
I would have loved to have seen Jethro Tull circa Thick As A Brick or Warchild, and were they to attempt that stage performance now it would be embarrasing for both them and audience. When we saw them this summer it was with some trepidation, but the show was magnificent (40th anniversary tour) because they make no effort to hide their ages and even joke about it during the show.They even went as far as to have video screens behind them presenting the band in their younger days, including all their former members as well, which was a nice tribute. I think once the audience, older as well, realized they didn't have to force themselves to pretend it was 1975, the music was able to come through and it worked.
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Posted by:Friend0
Peter, of course you realize that my objection was more in principle than in specifics.However, now that you spin your way into specifics, you did make one statement that I did find to be a very limiting view of other people's capacity to interpret, imagine, hear, and create. And specifically I mean people who listen to music, and Leonard Cohen himself.
I quote you: "If we'd been able to look forward in 1973 and see what rock & roll was to become as personified by Auntie Reg we'd have been horrified and got rid of our hi-fis and taken up light classical or barbershop or anything else. BUT if we'd looked at those depressing Leonard Cohen bedsit albums in 1973, we'd never have imagined that he'd be playing with a great (not good, but GREAT) band thirty-five years into the future and beating ticket sales records throughout Europe."
If you want to declare that you never could imagine Leonard performing at the level he does now, that is fine. But to extend your admitted limited scope of musical vision to other music lovers, and to Leonard's personal abilitiy is specifically offensive.
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Posted by:Peter V
It's hard to age gracefully as Leonard Cohen or Paul Simon or so many bluesmen have. Elton and Sir Paul should have someone bold enough to say that bright orange hair with no thin patches looks daft at their age. Elton can still pound the keys as well as ever, and it's not that he's dropping notes or anything. It's just that he has done nothing to keep it current or fresh, and so yes, is a parody of himself.
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Posted by:Friend0
Subject: Batten Down The Hatches // Peter and The MaccabeesPeter, you've never begun the Dreidel Olymics so early in the year before.
Steve, you recently commented on the change in the seasonal weather patterns. Indeed, tornado season is just around the corner. Can't fool a farmer, by George. Nor by Peter.
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Posted by:JTull Fan
Subject: Elton
While no big Elton John fan, I saw him back in 2002 touring with Billy Joel and he was fantastic. I didn't see him last night but I can see where Peter's comments are probably true regarding him. It used to be 'wow, (fill in the blank) can still rock at 40!' Then 50 became the new 40, and for a lucky bunch 60 became the new 50, but somewhere in the 60's, it seems even the most age defying rock stars hit the brick wall of age and can't keep it up, and if they don't retire become one of two things: the revered elder statesman as done so well by most of the Bluesmen and Frank Sinatra or they go the sad route of the Vegas-like parodies of their former glory. Sir Elton falls into that second grouping now.
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Posted by:Peter V
Fair enough, Jeff. I had no intent of offending Elton's considerable fan club. What is it about him that appeals so much to you nowadays?
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Posted by:Tim(SUNDOG)Corcoran
Location: Madison, WiWeb: My link
Subject: The Band Guestbook Fans
May you all get by in 2009 with a little help from your friends! =)
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Posted by:Friend0
Whilst I am by no means a moderator, nor shall I ever aspire to be a moderator, I have concern that a new person peering into this GB might think that Peter speaks for the people who post here. The tone of Peter's last post certainly did contain a tone of group summarization.Therefore, I've taken the liberty of cutting & pasting the particualrly official paragraph, removing all the pluralistic *we'd*s and *our*s, and replacing them with singular words.
If *I'd* been able to look forward in 1973 and see what rock & roll was to become as personified by Auntie Reg *I'd* have been horrified and got rid of *my* hi-fis and taken up light classical or barbershop or anything else. BUT if *I'd* looked at those depressing Leonard Cohen bedsit albums in 1973, *I'd* never have imagined that he'd be playing with a great (not good, but GREAT) band thirty-five years into the future and beating ticket sales records throughout Europe.
Again, I must stress that I do not aspire to the moderator's
throne, this is by no means a audition. But before Peter objects, says that it is understood that people post
in a relaxed fashion, I'll just remind him that he is the english teacher and the one who always insists on mannered posting.
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Posted by:Peter V
The New Year TV was Elton John Live from the O2 Arena. I watched a couple of tracks about 12.45 … and he was doing Tiny Dancer which is my favourite Elton track. But my goodness, it was depressing to see what an awful caricature Elton has become. The three songs I saw had nothing new, no new insight, just a bloated pantomime dame /grandma figure pounding out the same stuff as thirty five years ago, with horribly dated guitar and drums. You'd think he'd change the instrumental line-up, freshen the arrangements or get rid of the orange fright wig. No, it was Las Vegas comes to town. Singalonga Reg (British readers will remember Max Bygraves' Singalonga Max series)
If we'd been able to look forward in 1973 and see what rock & roll was to become as personified by Auntie Reg we'd have been horrified and got rid of our hi-fis and taken up light classical or barbershop or anything else. BUT if we'd looked at those depressing Leonard Cohen bedsit albums in 1973, we'd never have imagined that he'd be playing with a great (not good, but GREAT) band thirty-five years into the future and beating ticket sales records throughout Europe.
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Posted by:Peter V
Subject: Happier New yearI was glad to see the back of 2008. It was a bad year professionally and financially, and reviewing the albums of the year, a pretty crap year for music. One new track from Levon (which was worthy rather than fantastic) plus a good downloaded concert from Merlefest. Nothing from Robbie or Garth. The best stuff was reissues and undiscovered stuff of a the past or recent past.
The best music of the year by a mile was the two Leonard Cohen concerts I saw, and I've listened to far more Len this year than The Band, Van Morrison, The Beatles or Bob Dylan (who usually top my lists).
Still amid a year of dross there were a few worthy albums … Was (Not Was) "Boo!" was the best new one, then Ry Cooder, The Webb Sisters (who backed Len live). Was Tell Tale Signs a new album? Not really.
Anyway, bring on 2009.
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Posted by:Simon
Location: AustraliaSubject: a thankyou
Thankyou to The Band, and please come to Australia Robbie, there are lots of places you can play such as the Eastcoast Blues & Roots Festival at Byron Bay NSW. There are so many Aussies desperate to see and hear you in a Concert setting.
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Posted by:Fred
Subject: A message from the futureA someone who is living in the future (2009) I can tell those of you living in the past (2008) that there still has been no progress made on the flying car front.
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Posted by:Northern Boy
Location: bey0nd h0pe, BCWeb: My link
Subject: A Cautionary New Year's Video
During this evening's enybriational festivities, watch your intake sure, but also look out for WHAT you're taking in too much of. You don't want to end up like the dude in this video. (Or maybe you do ?).
I only knew the song from B.C.'s very own Powder Blues Band (Norm remembers), but this Dr. Ross (and The Soultwisters) sure gets into the spirit of it. Happy New Year, GBers !
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Posted by:Serenity
Location: Kitchener,Ont.Web: My link
Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR
Wishing you all the best in 2009. Take care, and see you next year.
BEG: ROBBIE is still lookin' good.
Until next time LOVE AND PEACE xoxoxoxo
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Posted by:glenn t
Location: the midwest USSubject: rockin' in the new year
There's only one way to bring in the new year: listening to ROCK OF AGES by THE BAND! There's still time (for some of us) to play it so that "Auld Lang Syne" plays at midnight. Thank you Rick, Levon, Garth, Richard and Robbie.
"May God bless and keep you always, may your wishes all come true..."
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